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From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard G. Jean Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: RTTY, CW, WEFAX Sound Card Software ????
Date: 1 Nov 95 16:36:00 GMT
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Hello All !!!

Question: Does anybody know where I can find (internet or BBS) software
          that will allow me to display RTTY, CW, or WEFAX using my sound
          card ????

          Think Super Morse will do CW, but have had no LUCK getting it to
          work.....

THANX IN ADVANCE !!!!

Rich

[e-mail]


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:18 1995
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From: Greg Pool <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Isn't it about time to re-organise BBSs ?
Date: 2 Nov 1995 01:39:45 GMT
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Don Rotolo <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Seriously -  Think of this: What does the traffic to a web server look like, >anyway?  A couple of mouse clicks for an uplink, and =
a whole s***load of data >for the downlink.  1k2 will do for the uplink, and 56kb as a minimum for the >downlink.  Cheap 56 kb recei=
vers for the users - it just could work!!
>
>73,
>Don N2IRZ
>

Could work?

Actually, Don, it already does work...on 9600-baud!  That was the point of the July
'95 QST article.  Steve built the equipment and tested it while at the Naval
Postgraduate School in Monterey CA.  You could use 56 kb, but if you just wanted to
create a packet version of the Web (forget the Internet - pony up the dough and get
a commercial account) it's a no-brainer.

Aloha+73 de Greg WH6DT



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:19 1995
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From: Dan Lehnen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Help! x1j4 parms??
Date: 4 Nov 1995 02:22:04 GMT
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To: All

Would appreciate someone who has a WORKING TheNet X1J4 **Dual port** node
please send me their parms and mode parameters? I have two MFJ 1270c's
with TheNet X1J4 eproms in them hooked back to back. They work OK but
need some fine tuning. One side is 1200 and the other is 9600 baud.

Thanks,
Dan




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From: [e-mail] (James C. Brost)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: CW on a MAC
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 04:22:08 -0500
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Can a mac be used to receive and send CW. Any MAC software available.

--
finger for RSA PGP key                                [e-mail]


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Michelson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: TEKK radios and 9600 bps hardware?
Date: 4 Nov 1995 08:54:22 -0800
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Where can I get more information about the TEKK TNET Micro or TNET Mini
data radios?

Also, does anyone have any caveats or thoughts about the following hardware
combination for 9600 bps packet?

  Ottawa PI2 card, TAPR 9600 bps modem, TEKK TNET Micro or TNET Mini.

(I'm using a PI2 card to make it easier to step up to 56k at a later
date.  I still haven't decided whether to run the setup under JNOS
or Linux....)

Thanks.

--
Dave Michelson                             University of British Columbia
[e-mail]                              Radar Remote Sensing Group


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: WWW Mac/Ham
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 10:10:08 GMT
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From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Packet multicast/broadcast
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Organization: PE1CHL
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James D. Cronin) writes:


>Are there a packet radio equivalent to ethernet broadcasts where a packet
>can be sent to some group of other stations?  Seems like it would be useful
>for dxclusters where a notification is sent to all users at once.

Sure, it has always been in the TNC firmware as "UI frames" or "beacons".
The problem the cluster users seem to have with it, is that it is
"unreliable": when the packet is not received correctly there is no
retransmission.

Protocols to do "reliable multicasting" are being developed in the
Internet community, but I have not yet seen one that is suitable for
use on amateur radio networks.  (slow, quite high packet loss)

Rob
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+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Rob Janssen         [e-mail] | AMPRnet:   [e-mail]       |
| e-mail: [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: NEW PACKET SYSTEM
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Organization: PE1CHL
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In <47d4rq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Alexander Kurpiers) writes:

>....and if you have the time to wait for NETROM to actually find a route through
>the network. In practice I have never seen Netrom or Rose to really
>*work*. I would say 99% of the users still prefer to connect from node to
>node...

There is no real problem with the NET/ROM router, as long as the links
actually WORK, and the parameters are not configured unreasonably.
However, both of these points seem to be quite difficult to achieve
in amateur radio land.

>The only sytem I know that is really capable of autorouting is
>Flexnet here in Europe. This may be due to our network here (the densitiy
>is much higher, we have hundreds of nodes in Germany), but I have never seen
>a NETROM or Rose with 500 reachable destinations. And *reachable* means, you
>can type "C db0xxx" and you have a connect in less than 1 minute (of
>course not to the next node 5 miles away)...

I think this is because the quality of the links in Germany is above
average, and also because Flexnet does not allow parameter configuration.
The NET/ROM network here in the Netherlands operates with software with
severely limited configuration possibilities (well... still enough left
to do), and this has improved the situation.
Still, there is little we can do about links with 80% packet loss rate.
(this software actually measures it)

Rob
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+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Rob Janssen         [e-mail] | AMPRnet:   [e-mail]       |
| e-mail: [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:25 1995
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From: Harry Blackstock <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: DSP 1232/2232 and SSTV
Date: 4 Nov 1995 13:04:00 GMT
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Looking for a program to run SSTV with my AEA DSP-1232. Thanks
for any help...73 Hank WA5JRH



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Randol D. Williams )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for Windows Packet program
Date: 4 Nov 1995 13:14:35 GMT
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In <4789g4$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James W. Barr) writes:
>
>Hi!
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions as to a complete, easy-to-use
>Windows-based Packet terminal program?  Any information would be
GREATLY
>appreciated!
>
>'73
>--
>-Jim
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
----
>James W. Barr, N9ONL   | Get the shareware version of Geoworks
Ensemble at:
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]------------------

Hi James:

Try EASYTERM for Windows.  It is a full featured program for packet and
other digital modes.
Contact:  M.V. Henley's, Inc. POB 2154, Edgartown, MA  02539
            1.800.336.7796
            $49.95 plus $3.00 s/h

I downloaded a demo disk not long ago and was pleased with the
performance and features.  It operates in the host or terminal modes.
Supports the AEA and Kantronics TNC's.

I also think that thre is a program called, KAWIN.  You can find a demo
of it on Compuserve Hamnet forum.  Also there is a program from a
company in Orlando, FL.  I also think I saw a demo on the Hamnet forum
for that one as well.

Give em a try.  Have fun.  73.

Randy, N7CJE
Key Largo, FL


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From: [e-mail] (Randol D. Williams )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Need mike-pin layout for Azden radio
Date: 4 Nov 1995 13:34:56 GMT
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Good day all:

I am looking for the pin layout on the 8 pin mike connector for an
Azden pcs-4000 2mtr radio.  I am wiring it to a KPC-3 TNC.

Any help on this matter would be appreciated.  Tnx.
Post here or E-mail back to me.

73,
Randy, N7CJE
Key Largo, FL


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark E. Sunderlin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: What is latest Version of HAMCOMM?
Date: 4 Nov 1995 14:46:13 GMT
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I have version 3.0 of HAMCOMM, do I have the latest version?  Where can
it be found?

--
"It is a pity that even a single drop of this noble
 gift of God should be spilled" - J.S.Bach on wine
Mark E. Sunderlin : [e-mail] : KD4HRI
aka Dr. Megabyte, Technocrat Tuba Player in Winchester, Va.



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Hi,
I'm very intrested about Spread pectrum for Packet Radio (When
possible high speed).
Can you send me some information about it and do you use wide
spectrum ore freq. hopping ??


Erik-Jan Roggekamp, PE1KML


[e-mail]



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Re: CW on a MAC
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (James C. Brost) wrote:

> Can a mac be used to receive and send CW. Any MAC software available.
>
> --
> finger for RSA PGP key                                [e-mail]

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       144 Pepperidge Dr. |_|   |_| www http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v
Manchester, NH 03103-6150 |_|_ _|_| [e-mail]
          (H)603-668-1096 | | | | | [e-mail] [44.52.7.21]

     Opinions are my own, including Digital Storage Scope.FAQ
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Test
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Test

            John D. Seney |_|_|_|_| [e-mail]
       144 Pepperidge Dr. |_|   |_| www http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v
Manchester, NH 03103-6150 |_|_ _|_| [e-mail]
          (H)603-668-1096 | | | | | [e-mail] [44.52.7.21]

      LeCroy Corporation Test & Measurment Sales Engineering
     Serving NE Mass., NH, and ME   WWW http://www.lecroy.com
                         NASDAQ: (LCRY)
    (O) 800-553-2769 (F) 603-627-1623 (P) 800-SKYPAGE #5956779
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From: [e-mail] (Gary McDuffie, Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Encrypted radio link ?
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 21:52:26 GMT
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On Sat, 04 Nov 1995 04:04:31 GMT, [e-mail] (gerry.g) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Alexander Maximenko) wrote:

>>I use TNOS for routeing from TCP/IP over AX25 to local Ethernet.
>>Does it exist anyware the version of KA9Q with the possibility
>>to encrypt the radio channel ?

>Unless I miss-understood, NO.

>It's illegal to encrypt amateur transmissions. I've been worried about
>simple compression since it can appe encrypted.


The original poster did not say anything about amateur radio.  I was watching
for that also.  In fact, the way it was worded, I assumed it was NOT (but
could always be wrong) :)
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From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Marko Markkanen)
Subject: HELP, Looking for PSA sound card
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I am looking for PSA sound card for PC to use it for 9600 packet. I am
not sure if those cards are made anymore.

I have heard about following models/manufacturers:
 -Cardinal DSP 16
 -Western Digital 16-DSP
 -Orchid Soundwave 32
 -Adaptec
 -Wearnes Beethoven
 -Echo Speech.

If you know where I could buy one ( new or used ), please e-mail me or
reply to the newsgroup.

73 from W4/OH7KD Marko



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From: [e-mail] (gerry.g)
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Subject: Re: Encrypted radio link ?
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[e-mail] (Gary McDuffie, Sr.) wrote:

>On Sat, 04 Nov 1995 04:04:31 GMT, [e-mail] (gerry.g) wrote:

>>[e-mail] (Alexander Maximenko) wrote:

>>>I use TNOS for routeing from TCP/IP over AX25 to local Ethernet.
>>>Does it exist anyware the version of KA9Q with the possibility
>>>to encrypt the radio channel ?

>>Unless I miss-understood, NO.

>>It's illegal to encrypt amateur transmissions. I've been worried about
>>simple compression since it can appe encrypted.


>The original poster did not say anything about amateur radio.  I was watching
>for that also.  In fact, the way it was worded, I assumed it was NOT (but
>could always be wrong) :)

Well, it was posted in rec.radio.AMATEUR.digital.misc

Stuff posted in this newsgroup would generally assumed to relate to
amateur operations unless otherwise specified.gerry.g. TNOS and KA9Q are
also generally considered related to ameateur operations.

gerry.g WA1WIG



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Stan Huntting)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: ?? Re: Kam upgrade from 5.0 to 7 or 8.0
Date: 5 Nov 1995 01:51:25 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...

>I've got an older KAM ... originally was a firmware version 2.8X machine
>as I recall.  Anyway, it has been upgraded (3 years ago) to 5.0 AND I
>also installed the TAPR DCD State machine modification in it ... on the
>VHF side, as I recall.

I should leave this one for Karl, but in case he's not reading the mail
I'll give a shot.

>Here's the question(s):

>1)  Can the KAM be upgraded to the newest rev (8.?) ?

I believe any Kam can be brought up to 8.0.

>2)  What does it take, and what does it cost?

You'll need the Kam Enhancement Board. It's a daughter board that supplies
the hardware changes to support the new features of the Kam+. You can
purchase it direct from Kantronics, but you might find a slightly better
price from a dealer, such as HRO.

>3)  Any problems with the TAPR DCD state machine mod already being in
there?

I haven't a clue. You'd better get a answer on that one before proceding.

>4)  Any other comments?

You're really going to enjoy the improvements incorporated in the firmware
and hardware between 5.0 and 8.0.
--
Stan Huntting,    KF0IA
Postal Address:   4655 Pleasant Ridge Rd.,
                  Boulder, CO 80301-1731, USA
email:            [e-mail]
KaWin Home Page:  http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/
KaWin FTP Site:   ftp.csn.net in the directory /kawin



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:36 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!treasure.coastalnet.com!usenet
From: "Walter Hunter Jr.  KD4JOB" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: DIAL-UP BBS TO HAM PACKET DOOR
Date: 5 Nov 1995 01:54:57 GMT
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Hello Sir, name here is Walter. I may be asking a stupid ?, but I have a
very good friend that has moved from out here to Pixkely. Out close to
Fresno,and was woundering if there might be a way to get mail back and
foruth. His name is Steve and his call is KD4ZJH. Any help would be
greatly be appcrated.


                                   Thanks  Walter. KD4JOB



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:36 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!usenet
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Seeking description of AX25 protocol
Date: 5 Nov 1995 04:32:40 GMT
Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Charlotte, NC - [e-mail]
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[e-mail] (James D. Cronin) wrote:
>
>Are there any good descriptions of the AX25 protocol, especially online
>versions?  I'd like to find out what's involved in programming for AX25,
>just for hoots and grins.
>
>Also, are there other protocols in use, or are they layered over AX25?
>
>73..Jim  N2VNO

I think I've seen a heading about that on the TAPR homepage:

http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/pkthome.html

73,
Gary KN4AQ



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Finding local packet nodes
Date: 5 Nov 1995 05:14:06 GMT
Organization: Pacific Bell, ESAC
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In article <46j6o4$[e-mail]>,
Thomas M. Allen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Nick Jungels <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Anyone know if there exists a document on the internet to find
>>local packet nodes?
>
>Probably not.  The best way to find them is to listen with your TNC and
>log them.

Your typical TNC will collect the information for you.  Just ask it
for "mheard" and "ndheard" to get the listing of the most recent 20 or
so stations it has detected.

I found that many BBS's have files of entire packet networks and freqs
they use, including maps (as well as text can be used to make a map...)
You have to find the first BBS, though.

-John
--
___________________________________________________________________________
John A Minger    KE6DTC          Opinions expressed are those of the author
Los Angeles, CA                  and not those of anyone or anything else.


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark D. Conner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.zenith,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Z-180 series laptop hard drive
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 1995 08:18:24 GMT
Organization: NLC Nebraska
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I recently bought a Zenith Z-180 series laptop (ZWL-184-97, 8088
processor) for use as a portable amateur radio packet station.   The
computer has two 720K floppy drives, and I'd like to replace one of
them with a hard drive.

1) Can a hard drive even be installed in this system?  Does this disk
controller even deal with hard drives since it came with 2 floppies?

2) What type of hard drive does it take (MFM, RLL, etc)?  What
connector does it go to?  I wouldn't think it would hook on the same
connector as the floppy drive does, but there aren't a lot of choices
internally.

Unfortunately the manual is not at all clear about this, and gives no
instructions at all about installing a hard drive, though it does talk
about them being an option.

Also, the date and time change (sometimes to 1/1/80, sometimes to
something in 2045) every time I power up or reboot, even when the DC
power stays connected.  Anyone know the cause (or the cure) for this
problem?


Mark D. Conner
Internet: [e-mail]
AMPRnet:  [e-mail]
"Paradigm shifting without a clutch" - Dogbert




From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:40 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!southwind.net!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Mark Stappenbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Encrypted radio link ?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 1995 09:24:53 GMT
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>It's illegal to encrypt amateur transmissions. I've been worried about
>simple compression since it can appe encrypted.

Don't worry Gerry! I spoke to an FCC engineer about this years ago
regarding the transmission of an arc file via  packet. Although it
might "appear" that it is encrypted, by definition it is not. The
fellow I talked to said there would be no problem with this at all,
but suggested that it might ease my mind to send me the unpacker
program for the arc file. The way he talked he seemed to be more
interested in this program  for his own home computer than using it as
a method of  surveillance for us Ham folks. I suspect he had more
things to worry about than what my packet station was doing.

I, for one, don't worry about esoteric stuff like that anymore either.
Maybe I should, but I can't get up enough energy to stay up nights
over it.  Better to worry about getting the budget under  control and
arresting the crooks in society than what things might appear to be.

Regards from Wichita!!



Mark Stappenbeck, [e-mail]
         [e-mail]
  "Don't ask me, I'm just the pilot."



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:41 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: NEW PACKET SYSTEM
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: InterFlex Systems Design [phone]
X-Mailer: TBBS/TIGER v1.0
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 >|>
 >|> NET/ROM will do this as well, if it is __properly configured__
 >|>
 >|> 73 -- Lynn

N>...and if you have the time to wait for NETROM to actually find a route throu
 >the network. In practice I have never seen Netrom or Rose to really
 >*work*.

<stuff deleted>

N>73' Alexander DL8AAU

Alexander (et. al.):

The key to my statement above is __properly configured__.

For a LARGE network, the default NET/ROM parameters aren't anywhere near
optimum -- and to get the parameters adjusted properly requires
cooperation from all of the NodeOps in the area.

Properly configured, NET/ROM is fast.

ROSE requires a central "operations center" to distribute routing info
to the nodes -- and probably at least some intelligence in building
those tables.

I can't comment on FlexNet since it isn't used here -- it may be that it
simply has better default settings.

73 -- Lynn



 **********************************************************************
 * Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT                        [e-mail] *
 * InterFlex Systems Design                       BBS: [phone] *
 * to find out about the best in amateur radio digital communications *
 *     send e-mail to [e-mail], or call [phone]      *
 **********************************************************************


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:42 1995
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From: Leon Heller <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: HELP, Looking for PSA sound card
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 95 11:56:43 GMT
Organization: Home
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Marko Markkanen" writes:

> I am looking for PSA sound card for PC to use it for 9600 packet. I am
> not sure if those cards are made anymore.
>
> I have heard about following models/manufacturers:
>  -Cardinal DSP 16
>  -Western Digital 16-DSP
>  -Orchid Soundwave 32
>  -Adaptec
>  -Wearnes Beethoven
>  -Echo Speech.
>
> If you know where I could buy one ( new or used ), please e-mail me or
> reply to the newsgroup.

The Echo card is still available, I think. Randy Cole of Echo can be
reached via e-mail: [e-mail].

Their address is:

        Echo Speech Corp.,
        6460 Via Real,
        Carpinteria, CA 93013,
        USA.
        805-684-4593 (voice)
        805-684-6628 (fax)

A colleague of mine got the Echo card a few months ago, and is very
pleased with it. I got two of the Cardinal cards (no longer available) -
one for work and one for home use. Like the Cardinal cards, the Echo
card runs all the PSA DSP stuff that is available, like the packet modem
software you mention.

Leon
--
Leon Heller, G1HSM                | "Do not adjust your mind, there is
E-mail [e-mail]  |  a fault in reality": on a wall
Phone: [phone]         |  many years ago in Oxford.


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (gerry.g)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Encrypted radio link ?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 1995 16:22:40 GMT
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[e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh) wrote:

>In article <47hapi$[e-mail]>,
>Mark Stappenbeck <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Don't worry Gerry! I spoke to an FCC engineer about this years ago
>>regarding the transmission of an arc file via  packet. Although it
>>might "appear" that it is encrypted, by definition it is not.
snip

>Yes Mark is right. It is also ok to use 'uudecode' and 'uuencode' too
>if you want to send an .EXE, .COM, .GIF, ect. The only possible problem
>would be if you were to post to a BBS.

snip

Yea, I'm not going to worry. I am planning on a custom compression
(derived from public domain) but will have (if this ever happens :) a
freely distributable receiver app if it already doesn't esist in the
public domain.

Compression is not encryption! Encryption is the intent to conceal the
communication.

gerry



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:44 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!gate.net!hopi.gate.net!darkstar
From: [e-mail] (DarkStar)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: TTY/TDD MODEMS?
Date: 5 Nov 1995 17:36:03 GMT
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BCdlr ([e-mail]) wrote:
: This is not exactly ham related, but I thought this would be a good place
: to start.  Does anybody know of a PC internal or external modem that will
: do TTY for a TDD type connection.  I believe the protocal is 45.5
: baudot?...
: I am looking for a cheaper source for a friend.  One company sells a PC
: modem to do this but its over $300.  Sure seems like there should be
: something to do it cheaper.

Most TDD services will accept 1200 baud modem, such as the old Hayes
Smartmodem 1200B.

If you're stuck with trying to contact an old TDD that is baudot-only...
I'm not sure what to suggest.
--
--
================= DarkStar == Auburndale Florida == USA ===================
                Do you have/need/want wireless cable TV ?
                       Computing with an attitude.



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:45 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Pat Crean)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.zenith,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Z-180 series laptop hard drive
Date: 5 Nov 1995 18:57:04 GMT
Organization: Parrett Business Machines, Inc.
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In article <47hrom$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>1) Can a hard drive even be installed in this system?  Does this disk
>controller even deal with hard drives since it came with 2 floppies?
>
It's possible that the '184 had hard drive capabilities (the '183 did
not).  If it did, it's probably early ide or mfm

>Unfortunately the manual is not at all clear about this, and gives no
>instructions at all about installing a hard drive, though it does talk
>about them being an option.

It would have been a factory installed option, I believe, adding even
memory to early portables was a chore!

>Also, the date and time change (sometimes to 1/1/80, sometimes to
>something in 2045) every time I power up or reboot, even when the DC
>power stays connected.  Anyone know the cause (or the cure) for this
>problem?

This is an easy one --- it does this because it's an XT clone --- no
backup battery or real time clock chip.  All you can do is add date and
time commands to your autoexec.bat (short of getting something like a
smart clock that sandwiches between bios rom and socket...)


>Mark D. Conner
>Internet: [e-mail]
>AMPRnet:  [e-mail]
>"Paradigm shifting without a clutch" - Dogbert




From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Black)
Date: 05 Nov 95 19:28:56
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: re: CW on a MAC
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: MtlNet (MBA.org) Juxtaposition BBS. [phone]
Lines: 36

[e-mail] (James C. Brost) wants to know if
a Macintosh can be used to send and receiver CW, and
if so, what software there is.

I haven't actually done it, but I'm quite sure it can
be done.  I have seen listings of ham software for the
Mac, and I'm quite sure that I've seen CW software mentioned.
I'm sure somebody who's actually used some software will
post something specific.

I did want to mention one rather neat piece of software for
the Macintosh.  It's called "Chipmunk BASIC", and is a
"tiny-BASIC" interpreter for the Macintosh.  It's rudimentary,
but as the author says, a computer isn't much of a computer
without a BASIC interpreter.  I don't recall seeing any mention
of a registration fee;  it is a freely distributed program.

I found it at a store selling "packaged" shareware, but I also
recall seeing it uploaded to a Mac BBS.

It is useful to have BASIC for the Mac, but what makes this
program worth mentioning is that built into it is the capacity
to send morse.  There's a command that will parse a string of
alphanumeric ascii characters, and output it as morse code
from the speaker.  It would be an easy way of creating a code
practice program;  include the whole interpreter along with
the BASIC program.

Unfortunately, it's meant for later Mac's and the morse
feature does not really work on my Mac Plus.  I assume that's
the problem, and not that there's a bug in the program.

     Michael  VE2BVW
--
| Return Address:      [e-mail]
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly their own.


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Ellse - ZR5DTS)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amteur.misc
Subject: First South African Packet BBS Homepage!!!!!
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 1995 20:19:43 GMT
Organization: Internet Africa
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Hi All,

The ZS0WTE BBS in South Africa, now has a HomePage on the WWW. From
this Homey, you can link to over 400 Ham related Sites, Check QSL
Info, Learn about HTML Editting (to create you own Home Page of
course!!), and access the best Web Search Machines around.

Please call in and enjoy!!!

ZS0WTE Home Page URL:   http://goofy.iafrica.com/~briane

P.S. Don't forget to sign the visitors book!

73 de Brian

--
Best Regards

Brian Ellse
E-Mail: [e-mail]            Tel xx27-31-861581
Packet: [e-mail]      Fax xx27-31-861581



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Paul Morrison)
Subject: Re: HELP, Looking for PSA sound card
Organization: BogoMIPS Research Labs
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 02:56:24 GMT
Lines: 32

In article <[e-mail]>,
Marko Markkanen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
>I am looking for PSA sound card for PC to use it for 9600 packet. I am
>not sure if those cards are made anymore.


what software is used with these to run 9600, assuming you have the
right kind of sound card?

>
>I have heard about following models/manufacturers:
> -Cardinal DSP 16
> -Western Digital 16-DSP
> -Orchid Soundwave 32
> -Adaptec
> -Wearnes Beethoven
> -Echo Speech.
>
>If you know where I could buy one ( new or used ), please e-mail me or
>reply to the newsgroup.
>
>73 from W4/OH7KD Marko
>


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From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:49 1995
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From: Fred <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Why Go Packet?
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 06:58:09 -0500
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On 5 Nov 1995, Brian Webb wrote:

> I'm a licensed ham with full Internet access. I've been thinking about
> going packet.  Are there any advantages for me to buy a TNC and begin
> running 2-meter packet? Are there some unique services that can only be
> found on packet which cannot be found on the Internet? Any feedback would
> be appreciated.
>
> 73's
>
> Brian Webb
> -
>   BRIAN WEBB  [e-mail]
>
>
>
>
Only the unique feeling of having "done it on the radio" and all of the
other hammy stuff.

BTW--don't fool around with 1200 baud packet if you have anyone in the
area using faster stuff.  "You be spoiled" by the speed of the phone
lines and will never be happy with 1.2kslllllloooooooowwwwwww packet. We
run 19.2Kb here on 440 and are in the process of installing some 9k6
links for users who aren't brave enough to work with the fast stuff.

Join the digital scene on ham radio.  technology will wait for no-one.

73   de ke8tq   Fred



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:03:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] ("Muenzler, Kevin")
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Encrypted radio link ?
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 08:28 -0500 (CDT)
Organization: CRS4, Center for Adv. Studies, Research and Development in Sardinia
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[e-mail] (Alexander Maximenko) writes
Subject: Encrypted radio link ?

 --I use TNOS for routeing from TCP/IP over AX25 to local Ethernet.
 --Does it exist anyware the version of KA9Q with the possibility
 --to encrypt the radio channel ?
 --
 --Thanks advance,
 --Alex


Alex,
97.113 Prohibited transmissions.
(d) No station shall transmit: ...messages in code or ciphers where
    the intent is to obscure the meaning (except where specifically
    excepted elsewhere in this Part)...


Encryption is illegal on any amateur radio frequency with the following
exceptions:
Telecommand control links to amateur spacecraft (satellites)

97.211(b)
A telecommand station may transmit special codes intended to obscure
the meaning of telecommand messages to the station in space operation.


That is the only exception.

Sorry OM.

I did however just notice that your address is not in the United States
so the rules may not apply to you.  However, it the transmission does
enter the United States part 97 would apply here.

Kevin, WB5RUE
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Alexander Kurpiers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: NEW PACKET SYSTEM
Date: 6 Nov 1995 12:47:38 GMT
Organization: Technical University Darmstadt, Germany
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Rob Janssen) writes:
|> In <47d4rq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Alexander Kurpiers) writes:
|> >The only sytem I know that is really capable of autorouting is
|> >Flexnet here in Europe. This may be due to our network here (the densitiy
|> >is much higher, we have hundreds of nodes in Germany), but I have never seen
|> >a NETROM or Rose with 500 reachable destinations. And *reachable* means, you
|> >can type "C db0xxx" and you have a connect in less than 1 minute (of
|> >course not to the next node 5 miles away)...
|>
|> I think this is because the quality of the links in Germany is above
|> average, and also because Flexnet does not allow parameter configuration.
|> The NET/ROM network here in the Netherlands operates with software with
|> severely limited configuration possibilities (well... still enough left
|> to do), and this has improved the situation.

This is really one of the main problems but unfortunatly not the only one.
There are still several things in the NETROM protocol will render it useless
for large networks. Keep in mind why and for what hardware it has been developed.
It is capable of running on a small Z80 based TNC. The router supports
"autolearning" of new routes once it receives "broadcasts". This was needed in
1987 when PR was an 144.675 (at least here in Europe). Now are the 90s and
we have dedicated links between our nodes and there is no use for autolearning
(have you ever tried the "Nodes" command after a big tropo? Interesting...)
Because of "compatibility" each node transmits as a broadcast all known nodes
to every other node. This is nonsense of course if you have dedicated links.
Take our digipeater (DB0DAR) as an example. It has one NETROM neighbar (DB0EAM).
It has to send all 150 nodes in a broadcast frame to DB0EAM every 5 minutes!
With no information, as DB0EAM exactly knows which "nodes" it can reach. DB0EAM
just needs to now which nodes could be reached via DB0DAR which is none but
DB0DAR itself. But this overhead is "compatible"...
Flexnet uses a adaptive algorithm to control the amount of routing information
on the links. So if there is heavy trafic on a link the exchange of routing
information is reduced. This is not possible with the current NETROM protocol.
First as the broadcast is transmitted as unnumbered UI frames there is
a high possibility that the information is lost. Second as the obscolence counter
is used to find out if a route is still usable the broadcast has to be repeated
very often. In Flexnet all this is done in a L2 qso. If this L2 qso dies, the
router knows that this link is unusuable. Very easy, isn't it?
One of the key features of the NETROM protocol was its capability to
have a L4 qso that won't die when a link dies. This was nice with all
the L2 QSOs between TNCs using ASCII terminals. Today the average computer
used for PR is about 10times faster than the one used in the node and we
have protocols (i.e. TCP/IP) that are superior to NETROM in this aspect.
But TCP/IP won't run properly on NETROM as NETROM is currently not compatible
with AX25 as it only allows PID $F0 to be used. Furthermore the normal
way of connecting "C destination via digipeater" will not work. This lead
to interesting solutions by letting the TCP/IP station apear as a NETROM
node to the digipeater.

|> Still, there is little we can do about links with 80% packet loss rate.
|> (this software actually measures it)

Good idea, Flexnet does that for 1 1/2 years now.
|>
|> Rob
|> --

I think that it is clear from the above mentioned problems that
configuration is not the only problem of NETROM. There are some problems
that are related to the protocol itself. I'm not saying that these
problems cannot be solved but I doubt it (mainly because this means
being incompatible with NETROM).
Flexnet was written to avoid these problems. As it was never designed to
be compatible with NETROM this was quite easy but lead to the problem that
we now have 2 systems here in Europe.



73' Alexander DL8AAU


PS: for more information on FLEXNET see
 http://www.th-darmstadt.de/diverses/afthd/flexnet


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From: [e-mail] (Vic Klein)
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Subject: Re: Hostmaster?
Date: 6 Nov 1995 13:36:16 GMT
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In article <479c7k$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Wilson Small) says:

>have a friend looking for a program called 'Hostmaster' ... supposed to
>be some kind of program to allow him to interface his PC to his TNC...
>Anybody got any information on this program?  Is it shareware or
>something that can be ftp'd from someplace??  is it windows or dos?  etc
>etc....
>he's looking for a windows program... he's tried the ones on the latest
>qrz cdrom but wasn't happy with them....
>
Hostmaster is a program sold by Kantronics to work with their line of
TNC's. It is noteworthy in that it supports the dual-port function on
the KAM series of TNC's to allow simultaneous VHF/HF connections. You'll
see it listed in the AES catalog under Kantronics.

Hostmaster is a DOS-based program, but runs fine in a DOS window in W3.1

73 es CUL,  =Vic=  WA4THR


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From: [e-mail] (Alexander Kurpiers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: HELP, Looking for PSA sound card
Date: 6 Nov 1995 15:01:48 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Paul Morrison) writes:
|> In article <[e-mail]>,
|> Marko Markkanen <[e-mail]> wrote:
|> >
|> >
|> >I am looking for PSA sound card for PC to use it for 9600 packet. I am
|> >not sure if those cards are made anymore.

As far as I know Echo Speech still produces PSA compatible cards. Unfortunatly
I don't know of a distributor in Europe.

|>
|>
|> what software is used with these to run 9600, assuming you have the
|> right kind of sound card?
|>

There is software available from Thomas Sailer (HB9JNX). i.e. he has
done a driver for PC/Flexnet.

Contact dk7wj@db0zdf.#rpl.deu.eu (sorry, no email adress) for the whole
PC/Flexnet software including the PSA drivers or
Thomas Sailer [e-mail].

I'am using a Cardinal DSP 16 with 9k6 and 1k2 and I'm impressed!
This is really the cheapest way to be qrv in 9k6.

|> >
|> >I have heard about following models/manufacturers:
|> > -Cardinal DSP 16
|> > -Western Digital 16-DSP
|> > -Orchid Soundwave 32
|> > -Adaptec
|> > -Wearnes Beethoven
|> > -Echo Speech.
|> >
|> >If you know where I could buy one ( new or used ), please e-mail me or
|> >reply to the newsgroup.
|> >
|> >73 from W4/OH7KD Marko
|> >


73' Alexander DL8AAU


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From: Don Rotolo <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: NEW PACKET SYSTEM
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 95 15:14:14 PDT
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In article <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
writes:
>
> ROSE requires a central "operations center" to distribute routing info
> to the nodes -- and probably at least some intelligence in building
> those tables.

Lynn, there is a program (NETMGR.EXE) written that runs under windows, which
lets you simply draw the network (drag-drop), enter the specific info, and it
creates the routing tables for you.  In a few seconds.  Then, another automatic
program will load all the switches for you, too.

Central may be a little misleading - you can manage as little as one switch
effectively - you just should have an idea of where the network goes from your
point of view, at least 3 or 4 hops out...

73,
Don N2IRZ



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From: "Frank B. Leppla" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Help - PK232/HTX202
Date: 6 Nov 1995 16:54:59 GMT
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I am trying to interface my Radio Shack HT HTX202 with a PK232.
Everything seems to work just fine except for the PTT.

The interface is set up exactly like the documentation says.
The cable and all connections have been verified by a third party.
But I cannot get the PK232 to trigger the PTT. Manually keying the
HT and then telling the software to connect to another station
works ok. The resistor value is 30K. The capacitor is 0.1 microfarad.

All suggestions in the AEA documentation have been followed and tried.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Please email direct if possible.
---------------------------------------------------------------
[e-mail]





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From: [e-mail] (George Guillory)
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Subject: Santec ST-144 and Packet
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 17:52:58 GMT
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I have all my packet gear together but have decided that I now
want to interface a Santec ST-144 2m handheld to a
Kantronics KPC-3 TNC. Has anyone done this before?

The simplest way seems to be out of the weird 6 pin connector
used to connect the external speaker/mic jack. Does anyone
have a source for this connector?

Does anyone know who handles Santec stuff now? The latest
importer I have is Encomm, Inc. in Plano Tx. No phone or address
available.

Thanks for the help.

George Guillory, KC5HBT
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Al Gerheim)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Isn't it about time to re-organise BBSs ?
Date: 6 Nov 1995 20:25:27 GMT
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I was thrilled about packet a few years ago, and now use it only
for DX Clusters.  The mail is horribly unreliable.  The bulletins
are the ham equivalent of the home shopping network.  It's foolhardy
to load files bigger than 25K through more than one node.  Packet
isn't appropriate for a range of personal messages because more
"robust" language is prohibited.

IMHO, if packet is to be useful, it should be configured to support
emergency traffic with greater efficiency and reliablilty.  Whatever
other traffic it supports is of little consequence.  Sorry, that's
my honest opinion.  It could be of great value for local and/or
national communications in time of a disaster.  The "asynchronous"
signaling capability would allow personell to be used more efficiently.



--
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Hi I am looking for a good windows packet program for the PK-232.
Do anyone know of any programs that they could advise trying


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Ham-Digital Digest          Fri, 10 Nov 95       Volume 95 : Issue  360

Today's Topics:
                            APRS & Pk-900
                        AX.25 as Linux driver
                        DCD State Machine Mod
                       homebrew 9600? (2 msgs)
                 How I connect my KPC-3 to a TM-251A?
               I wanna try packet - what should I buy?
                      JnosA4 Linux Make Error 1
                    KAGold..Is it still around..??
                  Mixer chips for 70 cm band needed
                 Seeking description of AX25 protocol

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Date: 8 Nov 1995 23:27:53 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Daniel Velez)
Subject: APRS & Pk-900

In article <47nlc6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>
>How do you set-up the Pk-900 to work both port's using

Have you tried the APRS SIG?  There have been a few threads lately discussing
the PK 900 but since I don't own one, I didn't read them.  To subscribe to the
APRS SIG, send mail to [e-mail] and put in the body of the message
"subscribe aprssig firstname lastname" (put in your name, of course).  Also,
there's an archive of the SIG at ftp.tapr.org.

73 de Dan

------------------------------

Date: 8 Nov 1995 22:40:29 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Michael Schwarz)
Subject: AX.25 as Linux driver

I know I can compile JNOS for Linux.  I know I can have one of the machines
on my home LAN running NOS and acting as a router for the other boxes
I have running Linux (the architecture I'll probably be running), but
has anyone out there taken the rather obvious shortcut of implementing
an AX.25 link layer for Linux?  I haven't researched what this involves
yet because if it's already been done I don't want to duplicate it, I
want to use it!  Does anyone know of such software?  I don't see why
a driver to let Linux directly send IP out a serial port to a KISS TNC
would have to be very difficult...  I've always thought porting NOS to
Linux was overkill.  The Linux kernel already does most of what NOS
is coded to do.  It's a lot of duplicated effort.  Also, does anyone
have the FAQ for this newsgroup?  I couldn't find it where I normally
look for 'em.  Thanks!


73 DE N0ZES

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 08 Nov 95 07:28:03 CST
From: [e-mail] (Tony Drumm)
Subject: DCD State Machine Mod

I've built and installed the TAPR DCD State Machine modification
on my PK-232.  I've built another and installed it in a PK-88 but
I'm having some problems.  This one will not sync with most
incoming packets.  It does sync with some, however.  I did some
snooping with a scope and voltmeter and verified that I'm getting
a clock signal on the state machine board and the receive signal
is getting there as well, and behaves as I would expect to changing
the volume on the radio.

I may have damaged either the latch chip or the EPROM.  Is there
anyone familiar with the design who can help me isolate the problem?
I could start swapping chips between the two I've built but I don't
want to end up with two that don't work!

Thanks,

Tony - AA0SM

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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 20:42:50 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Charles McMullen)
Subject: homebrew 9600?

Anybody have or know of info on homebrewing 9600 baud modems for packet?

73, Chuck - K3CM

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:35:28
From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Subject: homebrew 9600?

[e-mail] (Charles McMullen) writes:

>Anybody have or know of info on homebrewing 9600 baud modems for packet?

The modem is the easy part, it's the radio link that is the hard part.
Probably the most bang for the buck would be to buy a commercial
modem from PacComm or Kantronics, and then spend your hobby
hours making the radio work.  Making the radio work entails a nice
wide 455 kHz filter and maybe something better than a quadrature
detector, say a real discriminator.  Then there's the modulation issue.

You can't homebrew a modem for twice the price of a commercial, so
unless you're coming up with a new signalling scheme it really isn't
worth it.

------------------------------

Date: 9 Nov 1995 04:13:43 GMT
From: Ralph Perkins <[e-mail]>
Subject: How I connect my KPC-3 to a TM-251A?

  Hey if you find out what how to do that, maybe you can mail me what
ever anyone tells you...I got a TM-241A and was maybe thinking about
getting a KPC3 with it...

  Dave in San Diego-KC6ZBE

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 06:44:18 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Ronald E. Curry)
Subject: I wanna try packet - what should I buy?

[e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth) wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Nov 1995 23:04:53 GMT, [e-mail] (Ron
>Curry) wrote:


>>
>>Do it right. Buy a Kantronics KPC9612. It does both 1200 and 9600. Use
>>it with your voice radio for awhile to get the hang of packet then
>>once you zero in on the frequency you'll be using get a dedicated data
>>radio like the Tekk KS900L or MFJ (around $120).
>>
>I'd stay away from Kantronics as well. They have never been the least
>expensive and have continuously attempted to 'lock' their customers in
>by being totally incompatible with any other tnc in terms of third
>party options or expansions. Want the latest firmware for your kpc3?
>Better call kantronics, no one else supports it. Want a new modem for
>your kpc2? Sorry buddy we did it all in software, ya can't upgrade it.


>You get the idea....

>There are less expensive good quality options. Maybe that dual port
>isa buss plug in, or a tnc2 clone, or the new Pacom fast tnc...

>Don't be fooled..

>-be


So which one have you ACTUALLY tried and know work and works well.
Give the guy a specific recommendation based on experience not just
your opinion. I have a KPC9612 AND I have a MFJ 1270 AND I have a
Pacom. Both the Kantronics and the Pacom work great. The MFJ/TNC2
clones are fine for ancient 1200 baud but the 9600 baud with the
plug-in (you have to solder also) modem is a total kludge. The KPC9612
was almost plug and play 9600 baud and it does both for less than the
price of the MFJ1270+9600 baud modem. I believe Pacom is "semi" TNC2
compatible. Basically it's a "work-a-like" but won't run TNC2 firmware
unmodified as I have been told. Speak with facts. What specifically to
you recommend because I'd be interested as well.

Ron
Ron Curry
KE6WED
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 12:52:24 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Jens David)
Subject: JnosA4 Linux Make Error 1

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says:
>
>machine 386/dx40 just set up w/ linux [slackware] 1.2.1, libc.so.4.6.27,
>ncurses-1.8.5.   Just Downloaded jnos-alpha-4 and tried to make it.
>The output iget is...
>gcc -DUNIX -O2 -g3 -DLITTLE_ENDIAN -W [all expected -w warnings]
>    -I/usr/include/ncurses -c main.c -o main.o
>In file included from /usr/include/sys/types.h:4,
>                   "  /usr/include/fcntl.h:27,
>                   "  main.c:19:
>/usr/include/linux/types.h:4   asm/types.h: No such file or directory
>make: ** [main.o] Error 1
>....now...
>/usr/include/sys/types.h:4 [i'm assuming this means line 4]
>reads #include <linux/types.h>        ...and...
>/usr/include/fcntl.h:27
>reads #include <sys/types.h>          ...and...
>the only main.c i can find is in  /usr/src/linux-1.2.1/init
>/usr/include/linux symlink /usr/src/linux-1.2.2/include/linux
>/usr/src/linux symlink /usr/src/linux-1.2.1/include/linux
>/usr/src/linux-1.2.1/include/asm symlink to
>/usr/src/linux-1.2.1/include/asm-i386  where ther is a types.h
>in /usr/src/linux-1.2.1/init/main.c
>line 19 reads #include <linux/unistd.h>  [which exists]
>well any help would really be appreciated
>[e-mail][44.70.245.65]
>[e-mail]
>[e-mail]
>http://unix1.cc.ysu.edu/~achankey
>

You got to install the Linux kernel sources.

73 + 55
   Jens

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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 18:21:11
From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Subject: KAGold..Is it still around..??

John Johnston <[e-mail]> writes:

>My opinion is that KaGold has developed into the best around.
>I think you will find that it is worthy of your consideration.

It should be the best, after all, it changes version numbers at
least 4 times a month.

The newer Windows packet programs are giving the old DOS
based Gold program some pretty good competition.

I still have a version 7 in my junk box waiting for a bug fix to
allow it to work.  I can't sell it or give it away though, as they
burned my callsign into it.  Sorta like buying a camera that
only the original owner can use...

------------------------------

Date: 9 Nov 1995 14:14:22 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Jens Kurrat)
Subject: Mixer chips for 70 cm band needed

Does anybody know any company that makes mixer chips that can be
used for a transmitter in the 70 cm band (430 MHz)?
I need to mix a QPSK baseband signal to be transmitted via antenna.
This should be a one-way high-speed data link.
Any suggestions or contacts would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Jens

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 17:49:52 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Mike Miller)
Subject: Seeking description of AX25 protocol

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (James D. Cronin) wrote:

> Are there any good descriptions of the AX25 protocol, especially online
> versions?


I asked the ARRL info server to email me a description of AX25. I don't
know if it will suit your needs, but...

send an email to [e-mail]   Leave the subject blank. In the body of
the msg type "send AX25.TXT"  (no quotes). That's it.

Mike Miller, KB0JGS

------------------------------

End of Ham-Digital Digest V95 #360
******************************


From Unknown Sat Nov 11 06:59:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BAWASSELL)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: AEA PK-64 mod for use with PC ?
Date: 10 Nov 1995 10:29:01 -0500
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Has anyone ever modified the AEA PK-64 (designed for use with the
Commodore 64) for use with a real computer (PC)?   Is there an easy
translation between the connection to the commodore and a RS-232?
Would this simply be a matter of some transistor switching interface
or would entirely new software be required?  I don't know much about
this and would appreciate any suggestions - even if it means that I should
just be content with the PK-64 and commodore (maybe I will set it up as
a relay type packett repeater).    Thanks.
                                                                  K3JT


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From: [e-mail] (James H. Haynes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Anyone know about Weathercopy?
Date: 10 Nov 1995 18:28:50 GMT
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The Weather Service radio stations are starting to broadcast packets of
digital data as part of their broadcasts.  I asked about this, and got
pointed to a company, Dataradio, which sells the equipment to generate
and receive the signals.  They sell a receiver for $535, which is a bit
higher than a Radio Shack WeatherCube :-) that outputs to a parallel printer
port or to RS-232 serial.  Sez on their brochure that the broadcast uses
5100 nominal baud, and VSK (VSK? what's that?) modulation.



From Unknown Sat Nov 11 06:59:51 1995
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From: Ward Hill <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Apple IIe Serial Card
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 21:39:38 +0000
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I am looking for a serial card for my IIe to allow use on packet.
Anyone out there wit one?


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sable)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: APRS & Pk-900
Date: 7 Nov 1995 13:01:58 GMT
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How do you set-up the Pk-900 to work both port's using
the gateway? Is it just a simple matter of giving the
MYGATE a name?
I see there is an option to select from APRS:
2port HF VHF. If I select the 2port ot 2band
whatever it is, it doesnt seem to do anything.
TO jump ports it still have to comm with the
TNC and use the streamSW to change ports.
Know of a short-cut?

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Schwarz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: AX.25 as Linux driver
Date: 8 Nov 1995 22:40:29 GMT
Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc
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I know I can compile JNOS for Linux.  I know I can have one of the machines
on my home LAN running NOS and acting as a router for the other boxes
I have running Linux (the architecture I'll probably be running), but
has anyone out there taken the rather obvious shortcut of implementing
an AX.25 link layer for Linux?  I haven't researched what this involves
yet because if it's already been done I don't want to duplicate it, I
want to use it!  Does anyone know of such software?  I don't see why
a driver to let Linux directly send IP out a serial port to a KISS TNC
would have to be very difficult...  I've always thought porting NOS to
Linux was overkill.  The Linux kernel already does most of what NOS
is coded to do.  It's a lot of duplicated effort.  Also, does anyone
have the FAQ for this newsgroup?  I couldn't find it where I normally
look for 'em.  Thanks!


73 DE N0ZES



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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: AX.25 as Linux driver
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <47rbkt$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael Schwarz) writes:
>I know I can compile JNOS for Linux.  I know I can have one of the machines
>on my home LAN running NOS and acting as a router for the other boxes
>I have running Linux (the architecture I'll probably be running), but
>has anyone out there taken the rather obvious shortcut of implementing
>an AX.25 link layer for Linux?  I haven't researched what this involves
>yet because if it's already been done I don't want to duplicate it, I
>want to use it!  Does anyone know of such software?  I don't see why
>a driver to let Linux directly send IP out a serial port to a KISS TNC
>would have to be very difficult...  I've always thought porting NOS to
>Linux was overkill.  The Linux kernel already does most of what NOS
>is coded to do.  It's a lot of duplicated effort.  Also, does anyone
>have the FAQ for this newsgroup?  I couldn't find it where I normally
>look for 'em.  Thanks!

An AX25 driver is part of the regular Linux distribution. There's
no reason to use JNOS unless you want the BBS functions. Otherwise
it's a horrible kludge when you could be using kernel services
instead.

Gary

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From: [e-mail] (Stephen R Holmes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: CW on a MAC
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 19:28:22 -0700
Organization: TNS, Inc
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NNTP-Posting-Host: cais2.cais.com

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (James C. Brost) wrote:

> Can a mac be used to receive and send CW. Any MAC software available.

I know of no Mac apps to directly control a CW station (i.e., "key" the
transmitter in response to keyboard input and display the ASCII received
Morse code stream). Having implemented these capabilities on other
(antiquated) platforms, I was disappointed when I discovered how difficult
it would be to do so on the Mac. The difficulties are twofold: (1) getting
direct control of two I/O pins (input/output) on the serial port and
(2) doing low-level timing of received Morse elements (dots/dashes). Both
of these were insignificant issues when I wrote a CW application for my
antique $50 TI-99/4A "home computer" (read: toy).

I'm sure that there are TNCs available commercially that will provide a
simple serial interface to any computer (Macs, PCs, whatever) to control
a CW station, but I don't have a pointer for you. I've thought about
'porting my stuff to a dedicated, cheap processor like the PIC to create
a cheap "CW-only" TNC, but time (as ever) seems to be scarce.

There _are_ several "Morse code practice" applications for the Mac that
help you learn the code or improve your copy speed; my favorite is

  ftp://mirrors.aol.com/pub/info-mac/app/morse-trainer-111-us.hqx [127K]

Sorry I can't be of more help...    /s.holmes

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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Encrypted radio link ?
Date: 7 Nov 1995 12:49:06 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University
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NNTP-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

In article <47m6oj$[e-mail]>,
Mark Stappenbeck <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Compression is not encryption! Encryption is the intent to conceal the
>>communication.

Yes but 'uudecode' and 'uuencode' are not commpression programs, they are
ASCII conversion programs, and usually make the file slightly larger.

Just a point...still ok to use on packet tho.


--
  +=================================+===================================+
  |Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT |[e-mail] |
  |Electronic/Computer Tech. @ OSU  |radio: n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam|
  +=================================+===================================+


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: Encrypted radio link ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Organization: InterFlex Systems Design [phone]
X-Mailer: TBBS/TIGER v1.0
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 >97.113 Prohibited transmissions.
 >(d) No station shall transmit: ...messages in code or ciphers where
 >    the intent is to obscure the meaning (except where specifically
 >    excepted elsewhere in this Part)...


N>Encryption is illegal on any amateur radio frequency with the following
 >exceptions:
 >Telecommand control links to amateur spacecraft (satellites)

N>Kevin, WB5RUE
 >[e-mail]

Kevin,

Thanks for quoting the whole section.  Under 97.113(d) the key word is
__intent__ which means that you can use "codes" if the intent is to
reduce the transmission time (i.e. compression), or to improve
throughput, or whatever....

73 -- Lynn



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From: [e-mail] (Ron Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Encrypted radio link ?
Date: 9 Nov 1995 12:21:22 GMT
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Muenzler, Kevin ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Alexander Maximenko) writes
:
:  --I use TNOS for routeing from TCP/IP over AX25 to local Ethernet.
:  --Does it exist anyware the version of KA9Q with the possibility
:  --to encrypt the radio channel ?
:
: Alex,
: 97.113 Prohibited transmissions.
: (d) No station shall transmit: ...messages in code or ciphers where
:     the intent is to obscure the meaning (except where specifically
:     excepted elsewhere in this Part)...

Where does that say encryption?  All that rule is concerned about is
'obscuring the meaning'. Usually that's what encryption is used for, but
if there was an encryption method that made the transmission more
efficient, and your intention was not to obscure the meaning, and it
would probably help to give out the keys to decrypt your transmissions,
then running encryption is legal. The FCC pretty much could care less
what you run and how you run it, as long and you're not 'obscuring the
meaning' and trying to prevent others from receiving your transmissions.

Also where does the poster mention running it over ham radio? Ever think
that there are folks running packet radio software and protocols outside
of the ham bands? I'm sure the person is well aware of any possible rule
violations, no reason to incorrectly recite rules though when the reason
for the question is not known.

: Encryption is illegal on any amateur radio frequency with the following
: exceptions:

If I wanted to compress a file to send over packet, and I found that it
didn't compress very good in plain text, but when I ran it though rot13
and it compressed better, and I told people that it was rot13 and
compressed, is that legal?  Sure it is. The intention was to get better
compression to be more efficient on the transmission.   rot13 may not be
much of an example for encryption (it's just character rotation), but it
does fit the example.

I'm not saying though that people should try to come up with reasons for
running encryption,  all I'm stating is that folks need to get their
facts straight before judging for themselves what the rules are.

Ron  N8FOW



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From: [e-mail] (Paul J. Piercey (VO1HE))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: FBB + BPQ help needed
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 95 10:02:10 GMT
Organization: NLNet
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Rob Wedlock <[e-mail]> wrote:
>My friend, N7YVL, needs help configuring the BPQ software to work
>with his FBB bbs. The BBS is working wonderfully, and is currently
>supplying all of Montana, South Dakota, North Dakota and most of
>Wyoming with packet radio traffic. However, locally, only one folk
>can connect at a time due to the limitations of the FBB software.
>To overcome this he will run the G8BPQ node software. Configuring
>this thing is a nightmare. The whole shebang runs on a IBM Zenith
>286 system with 1 Meg of XMS. Can anyone provide a config file
>of thier own, or simple pointers to getting this BPQ software
>running with the FBB system? Thank you!

Could be in the number of channels made available in the port.sys file.
On a 286 with that much I have 10 ports running. If you want, you can EMail
the BPQCFG.TXT file and the PORT.SYS file to me and I'll look at it. Not
sure what I can do as I am having trouble with my setup also, but in a different
way HI. 73.


============================================================================
Paul J. Piercey

VO1HE
[44.135.16.3]

Packet Address     VO1HE@VO1AAA.#ENF.NF.CAN.NOAM
Internet Address   [e-mail]
============================================================================


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From: Dan Lehnen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Fwding\I-net anyone??
Date: 11 Nov 1995 00:50:36 GMT
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To: All

I am interested in forwarding packet mail over internet. I run FBB and
live in central Illinois. 130 miles S. of Chicago.

Anyone interested???

[e-mail]




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From: Chuck Harrington <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Good Windows Packet Program for the 232MBX
Date: 10 Nov 1995 05:28:14 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>Hi I am looking for a good windows packet program for the PK-232.
>Do anyone know of any programs that they could advise trying

Try PacketPeT For Windows.

73 Chuck WA4GPF

--
PacketPeT For Windows - Terminal Software For All hardware
TNCs!
For Shareware version Download
ftp://qrz.com./incoming/p21r2.zip
Chuck Harrington Software, Inc. - [e-mail] -
[e-mail]




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Subject: Re: Good Windows Packet Program for the 232MBX
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In article <47lvta$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
writes:

> Hi I am looking for a good windows packet program for the PK-232.
> Do anyone know of any programs that they could advise trying
I ran "Packy for Windows", a shareware program for quite a while and really
liked the separate window for each connection feature. Only left it because I
got a different TNC and Packy only works with 232. You can find it aound on
various BBS/ftp sites.
73,
Bill, W7JSW
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (James W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Help - PK232/HTX202
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References: <47lel3$[e-mail]>
Date: 7 Nov 95 08:27:28 CST

Frank B. Leppla ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I am trying to interface my Radio Shack HT HTX202 with a PK232.
: Everything seems to work just fine except for the PTT.

: The interface is set up exactly like the documentation says.
: The cable and all connections have been verified by a third party.
: But I cannot get the PK232 to trigger the PTT. Manually keying the
: HT and then telling the software to connect to another station
: works ok. The resistor value is 30K. The capacitor is 0.1 microfarad.

: All suggestions in the AEA documentation have been followed and tried.

: Any suggestions would be appreciated. Please email direct if possible.
: ---------------------------------------------------------------
: [e-mail]

Try reducing the 30k resistor to 20k or so.  30k sounds high.  If you have
a resistance substitution box, put it in there instead of the resistor and
keep dialing until it keys.

Jim.

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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Help - PK232/HTX202
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Frank B. Leppla ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: I am trying to interface my Radio Shack HT HTX202 with a PK232.
>: Everything seems to work just fine except for the PTT.
>
>: The interface is set up exactly like the documentation says.
>: The cable and all connections have been verified by a third party.
>: But I cannot get the PK232 to trigger the PTT. Manually keying the
>: HT and then telling the software to connect to another station
>: works ok. The resistor value is 30K. The capacitor is 0.1 microfarad.
>
>: All suggestions in the AEA documentation have been followed and tried.
>
>: Any suggestions would be appreciated. Please email direct if possible.
>: ---------------------------------------------------------------
>: [e-mail]
>
>Try reducing the 30k resistor to 20k or so.  30k sounds high.  If you have
>a resistance substitution box, put it in there instead of the resistor and
>keep dialing until it keys.

To key an Icom radio, the resistor needs to be less than 10k. To key
a Yaesu radio, the resistor needs to be 2.2k. To key the RS HT, a
value between 2.2k and 10k is required. 2.2k will work on all three
brands, but you may have to crank up the audio drive when using this
value with an Icom. Anything much larger than 10k won't key any of
them. The 30k in the AEA docs must be a typo.

Gary
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From: Dan Lehnen <[e-mail]>
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Thanks for the info!



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From: [e-mail] (Robert Young)
Subject: Help: Icom IC-2700H/KPC3  Hookup Info
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Help,

I have a Icom IC-2700H dual band mobile that I would
like to hook up to my Kantronic KPC3 TNC. I need to
have the mike pin out for this rig. If anyone could
help please e-mail Bootlegger @ msn.com

Thanks

Bob N9MSS


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From: [e-mail] (Shawn T. Rutledge)
Subject: Re: homebrew 9600?
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Rob Janssen ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steve Sampson) writes:

: >[e-mail] (Charles McMullen) writes:

: >>Anybody have or know of info on homebrewing 9600 baud modems for packet?

: >The modem is the easy part, it's the radio link that is the hard part.
: >Probably the most bang for the buck would be to buy a commercial
: >modem from PacComm or Kantronics, and then spend your hobby
: >hours making the radio work.  Making the radio work entails a nice
: >wide 455 kHz filter and maybe something better than a quadrature
: >detector, say a real discriminator.  Then there's the modulation issue.

: >You can't homebrew a modem for twice the price of a commercial, so
: >unless you're coming up with a new signalling scheme it really isn't
: >worth it.

: What is the price of commercial 9k6 modems in the USA, and what price
: do you calculate for homebrewing?
: At least over here, building a 9k6 modem yourself (or from a kit) is
: still cheaper than the commercial versions.   But that may be because
: of the high markups on imported commercial stuff (both tax and profit)

My KPC9612 (both 1200 and 9600 in one full-featured TNC, and you can even
use both baud rates at once!) cost $199.  I don't think it gets much
cheaper than that unless you buy used, or have a TNC already and just want
to buy a plug-in 9600 baud modem for it.

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From: john adams <[e-mail]>
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Subject: How do you send binary data via a KPC3?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 09:30:13 PST
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I want to send small numbers of kilobytes of 8-bit binary data through
a KPC3 in the most efficient manner.

I'm an experienced engineer, although Packet is new to me and its a
long time since I've been in touch with Amateur Radio.

It seems to me that if I send binary, some bytes may be interpreted as
command strings, rather than simply passed on by the TNC. Is this so?

Is there a command which tells the TNC "the next n bytes are data and
not to be interpreted, even if they look like a TNC command"?

The Kantronics manual mentions briefly a mode called "Transparent". Is
this what I am looking for?

Is there a list of KPC3 reserved sequences?

Any help would be most gratefully received.





John Adams
(soon :-), barring bureaucratic delays :-(, to be G3VZF again)



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From: [e-mail] (Donna Andersen)
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Use the program paKet - available by ftp from many sites - works like a
champ - plus many, many more features - 73


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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
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Subject: Re: How do you send binary data via a KPC3?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   john adams <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I want to send small numbers of kilobytes of 8-bit binary data through
>a KPC3 in the most efficient manner.
>
[...]
>The Kantronics manual mentions briefly a mode called "Transparent". Is
>this what I am looking for?

Yes.  In this mode, it will pass all data without interpreting it.
To use this mode Either set CONMODE TRANS (all connects will be
transparent mode), or connect normally (converse mode), then send ctrl-c
(get cmd: prompt) and enter TRANS.  Exit from the transparent mode is only
if the other station disconnects (only if NEWMODE is ON), or you send a
sequence of 3 ctrl-C's within a guard window of 1 second without other
traffic (exactly the same process used with a Hayes-compatible phone modem,
but the Hayes uses plus signs).

It may be possible to move control characters in the converse mode by
prefixing the troublesome ones (ctrl-C, ctrl-M, etc) with the PASS
character (usually ctrl-V).  But the transparent mode was really intended
for this.

There is a very old program called YAPP which functions as a simple dumb
terminal and also implements a protocol which does a fairly good job at
moving binary files over packet.  It sets the TNC in tranparent mode,
exchanges a header with the file name and length, then lets fly with the
data (letting the AX.25 take care of error checks and acknowledgement).  I
think the overhead is either nil or 1 byte per 255.

-Mike KD4QDM


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From: Ralph Perkins <[e-mail]>
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  Hey if you find out what how to do that, maybe you can mail me what
ever anyone tells you...I got a TM-241A and was maybe thinking about
getting a KPC3 with it...

  Dave in San Diego-KC6ZBE



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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
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In article <47rv5n$[e-mail]>, Ralph Perkins  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>  Hey if you find out what how to do that, maybe you can mail me what
>ever anyone tells you...I got a TM-241A and was maybe thinking about
>getting a KPC3 with it...
>
>  Dave in San Diego-KC6ZBE

Hi Dave.

I am currently running a 241a with a KPC3...very easy to interface, and I
can help you with that, however, I went one step further. I added a DB-9
socket to the rear of the radio, for data. I got the audio from the
discriminator, hence, can set the 'volume knob' where ever I want (TNC
ALWAYS gets the right signal). Additionally, I can leave my mic hooked
up all the time.

Let me know if you need the info.

73.













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From: [e-mail] (Ronald E. Curry)
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Subject: Re: I wanna try packet - what should I buy?
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[e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth) wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Nov 1995 23:04:53 GMT, [e-mail] (Ron
>Curry) wrote:


>>
>>Do it right. Buy a Kantronics KPC9612. It does both 1200 and 9600. Use
>>it with your voice radio for awhile to get the hang of packet then
>>once you zero in on the frequency you'll be using get a dedicated data
>>radio like the Tekk KS900L or MFJ (around $120).
>>
>I'd stay away from Kantronics as well. They have never been the least
>expensive and have continuously attempted to 'lock' their customers in
>by being totally incompatible with any other tnc in terms of third
>party options or expansions. Want the latest firmware for your kpc3?
>Better call kantronics, no one else supports it. Want a new modem for
>your kpc2? Sorry buddy we did it all in software, ya can't upgrade it.


>You get the idea....

>There are less expensive good quality options. Maybe that dual port
>isa buss plug in, or a tnc2 clone, or the new Pacom fast tnc...

>Don't be fooled..

>-be


So which one have you ACTUALLY tried and know work and works well.
Give the guy a specific recommendation based on experience not just
your opinion. I have a KPC9612 AND I have a MFJ 1270 AND I have a
Pacom. Both the Kantronics and the Pacom work great. The MFJ/TNC2
clones are fine for ancient 1200 baud but the 9600 baud with the
plug-in (you have to solder also) modem is a total kludge. The KPC9612
was almost plug and play 9600 baud and it does both for less than the
price of the MFJ1270+9600 baud modem. I believe Pacom is "semi" TNC2
compatible. Basically it's a "work-a-like" but won't run TNC2 firmware
unmodified as I have been told. Speak with facts. What specifically to
you recommend because I'd be interested as well.

Ron
Ron Curry
KE6WED
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: I wanna try packet - what should I buy?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <47s7tt$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ronald E. Curry) writes:
>[e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth) wrote:
>>Curry) wrote:
>>>
>>>Do it right. Buy a Kantronics KPC9612. It does both 1200 and 9600. Use
>>>it with your voice radio for awhile to get the hang of packet then
>>>once you zero in on the frequency you'll be using get a dedicated data
>>>radio like the Tekk KS900L or MFJ (around $120).
>>>
>>I'd stay away from Kantronics as well. They have never been the least
>>expensive and have continuously attempted to 'lock' their customers in
>>by being totally incompatible with any other tnc in terms of third
>>party options or expansions. Want the latest firmware for your kpc3?
>>Better call kantronics, no one else supports it. Want a new modem for
>>your kpc2? Sorry buddy we did it all in software, ya can't upgrade it.
>
>So which one have you ACTUALLY tried and know work and works well.
>Give the guy a specific recommendation based on experience not just
>your opinion. I have a KPC9612 AND I have a MFJ 1270 AND I have a
>Pacom. Both the Kantronics and the Pacom work great. The MFJ/TNC2
>clones are fine for ancient 1200 baud but the 9600 baud with the
>plug-in (you have to solder also) modem is a total kludge. The KPC9612
>was almost plug and play 9600 baud and it does both for less than the
>price of the MFJ1270+9600 baud modem. I believe Pacom is "semi" TNC2
>compatible. Basically it's a "work-a-like" but won't run TNC2 firmware
>unmodified as I have been told. Speak with facts. What specifically to
>you recommend because I'd be interested as well.

The old MFJ1270 (and the original TAPR TNC2) need to have the opamp
used as a RS232 serial converter changed to a TL084 when used at
faster speeds. Otherwise, they work fine. The PacComm Tiny 2 is
100% firmware compatible with a TAPR TNC2 (or direct clone), and
is 100% hardware compatible at the modem disconnect level (it does
use a real RS232 converter and doesn't need the opamp change
needed by true TAPR (and MFJ) units). For better performance,
you may want to go to Z80H parts and a faster processor clock
on any of these (factory option from PacComm).

As Brian said, Kantronics is proprietary and isn't firmware or
hardware compatible with third party products. This can be a
limitation down the road. However, the KPC-3 is a good basic
1200 baud TNC, and the 9612 is a functional dual speed TNC.
If you don't mind being tied to one vendor for possible upgrades,
either will do fine for plug and play. But if you might need to
use one for a TheNet node, or to drive a really high performance
modem such as the 56kb RF modem, then you're hosed. (There are
better ways to drive a 56kb modem, but you *can* use a TNC2
clone, you can't use the Kantronics because it won't accept
the KISS56 firmware and you'd have to do serious hacking and
cutting to do the hardware interface.)

Gary
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Isn't it about time to re-organise BBSs ?
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James W. Barr ([e-mail]) wrote:
:
[stuff about packet WWW deleted]

: Oh, and what about compression?  Why have there been no low-speed packet
: formats devised to incorporati compression?  Many of the files I transmit

Compression has been used for many years on packet.  Most systems run
their compression on a specific socket and there is negotiation as to
the type of compression and other variables associated with it when the
connection is established.  Some systems (not as popular on packet
though) run their compression within a driver, such as a serial driver,
IP tunnel, etc... The latter is more similar to what landline modems or
PPP compression drivers use since they compress all the data regardless
of what it is.  Compression usually only becomes useful though when you
have a good RF link working first, and I mean a good RF link, just
because data manages to get through doesn't mean the links working good.
After that though compression works just fine.

Also before anyone mentions about BBS's compressing when forwarding, I
was replying to the discussion about a World Wide Web over packet, so
that implies TCP/IP, not AX.25 BBS's.

Ron N8FOW



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Subject: Re: Isn't it about time to re-organise BBSs ?
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In article <47lqvn$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Al Gerheim) writes:
|> I was thrilled about packet a few years ago, and now use it only
|> for DX Clusters.  The mail is horribly unreliable.  The bulletins
|> are the ham equivalent of the home shopping network.  It's foolhardy
|> to load files bigger than 25K through more than one node.  Packet
|> isn't appropriate for a range of personal messages because more
|> "robust" language is prohibited.

Well that is one thing I really like about packet.  I can enjoy
packet with my entire family without having to worry about the
language that sometimes appears in the newsgroups and mail-lists
on "THE NET".  I agree that most of the messages have content that
isn't worth the time it takes to read but then there are some
very intelligent people out there too.  You just have to find
them and start a conversation.  Most of them are so tickled to
find someone to convers with intelligently that they kick right
into it.

|>
|> IMHO, if packet is to be useful, it should be configured to support
|> emergency traffic with greater efficiency and reliablilty.  Whatever
|> other traffic it supports is of little consequence.  Sorry, that's
|> my honest opinion.  It could be of great value for local and/or
|> national communications in time of a disaster.  The "asynchronous"
|> signaling capability would allow personell to be used more efficiently.
|>
|>
|>
|> --
|> ***********************************************************************
|> Al Gerheim, N4QN      |Opinions expressed here | Sonalysts Inc. POB 280
|> [e-mail] |    are my own.         | 215 Parkway North
|> Work: [phone]   |                        | Waterford CT 06385
|> ***********************************************************************


From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:00:20 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!woodybbs!1-255-116-0!jean.letourneau
From: [e-mail] (Jean Letourneau)
Date: 09 Nov 95 17:48:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Jnos and LLBBS
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: WoodyWare Software, Inc.
Lines: 12

Any one out there add any luck using J-NOS and a LLBBS in gateway? If
so can you share your expertise?

73 VE9PT, Jean

[e-mail]
--
|Fidonet:  Jean Letourneau 1:255/116
|Internet: [e-mail]
|
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.



From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:00:21 1995
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From: Ralph Perkins <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: KAGold..Is it still around..??
Date: 8 Nov 1995 05:32:13 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services
Lines: 11
Message-ID: <47pfct$[e-mail]>
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  I remember about 2 years ago at field day, this guy had a packet
program called KAGOld or something like that...Anyway I really liked the
program alot and d\l'd a demo version a long time ago and now I can't
find it..Does anyone know where I could possibly find this program (demo)
or info on it...Any help would be appreciated..!!

 Dave in San Diego-KC6ZBE
 [e-mail]



From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:00:22 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!miwok!news.scruz.net!cruzio!pine222
From: [e-mail] (David Wells)
Subject: Re: KAGold..Is it still around..??
Organization: cruzio
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 03:46:28 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Lines: 17

Ralph Perkins <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
>  I remember about 2 years ago at field day, this guy had a packet
>program called KAGOld or something like that...Anyway I really liked the
>program alot and d\l'd a demo version a long time ago and now I can't
>find it..Does anyone know where I could possibly find this program (demo)
>or info on it...Any help would be appreciated..!!
>
> Dave in San Diego-KC6ZBE
> [e-mail]
>

They are still around. Try 714-496-6639 or [e-mail]

Dave KD6TO



From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:00:23 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!csn!nntp-xfer-2.csn.net!news-2.csn.net!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Stan Huntting)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for Windows Packet program
Date: 7 Nov 1995 15:28:37 GMT
Organization: SuperNet Inc. (303)-296-8202 Denver Colorado
Lines: 18
Message-ID: <47ntv5$[e-mail]>
References: <4789g4$[e-mail]> <47fovr$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.117.25.3
Mime-Version: 1.0
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.3

In article <47fovr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...

>I also think that thre is a program called, KAWIN.  You can find a demo
>of it on Compuserve Hamnet forum.  Also there is a program from a
>company in Orlando, FL.  I also think I saw a demo on the Hamnet forum
>for that one as well.

KaWin is available from the KaWin Home Page or FTP Site.
KaWin Home Page:  http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/
KaWin FTP Site:   ftp.csn.net in the directory /kawin

--
Stan Huntting,    KF0IA
Postal Address:   4655 Pleasant Ridge Rd.,
                  Boulder, CO 80301-1731, USA
email:            [e-mail]



From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:00:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Mixer chips for 70 cm band needed
Date: 9 Nov 1995 22:47:42 GMT
Organization: SunSoft South, Los Angeles, CA
Lines: 21
Message-ID: <47u0ee$[e-mail]>
References: <47t2bu$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunspot.west.sun.com

In article <[e-mail]>,
David Hough  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <47t2bu$[e-mail]>
>   [e-mail] (Jens Kurrat) writes:
>> Does anybody know any company that makes mixer chips that can be
>> used for a transmitter in the 70 cm band (430 MHz)?
>> I need to mix a QPSK baseband signal to be transmitted via antenna.
>>
>Mini-Circuits SBL-1 mixers work up to 500MHz OK. +7dBm local oscillator
>power, IF down to DC, conversion loss 7dB max. They are relatively cheap
>as well.

Mini Circuits Labs has an entire assortment of mixers, including
the SBL-1, and TUF-x (smaller, my preference) mixers, and QPSK
modulators, and VCOs, etc.  They now have a much smaller, concentrated
catalog that they'll send you for free.

--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are      *
 * [phone]               | mine and do not necessarily   *
 * [e-mail]      | reflect those of my employer  *


From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:00:25 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news1.cris.com!cris.com!rogerh
From: [e-mail] (Pete)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.rad
Subject: Re: NEED CASH?!!...Don't You?
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:01:51 LOCAL
Organization: Concentric Research Corporation
Lines: 11
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <47u6ge$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: crc3-fddi.cris.com
Keywords: SCAM ALERT!!ALERT!!
X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4]
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>Give me a break!! The sad thing is that there are people out there that will
>actually do what you say and you will make money. Please don't post this crap
>here again. Scum like you will get it in the end...I believe you are what we
>all call a scam artist!!

>NO ONE FOLLOW THIS GUYS ADVICE!! SCAM ALERT ALERT ALERT!!!!

Everyone send him mail...Fill his box.


From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:00:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joel Rubin)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Subject: Re: NEED CASH?!!...Don't You?
Date: 10 Nov 1995 02:49:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>BEGIN -- Cut Here -- cut here
>Before you start thinking oh no not one of these, take the time to read
this
>completely. Just save and print it out or print it out for later but
you
>really need to pay attention to this. Ready? OK here we go!
>
>I thought these things were scams also but in the last week I received
>$50,000. in the mail from people around the world. I don't know about
pyramid
>schemes or anything like that but I do know I made $50,000 and all it
cost me
[snip]
>        This list will become more valuable as it grows in size. This
is a
>service. And IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL! If you have any doubts as to the
legality
>of this service, please refer to Title 18,h sections 1302 NS 1341 of
the
>Postal Lottery Laws.
>
Well, unfortunately, the U.S.P.S. disagrees with you about the legality
and the statistics professors out there at the University of Hawaii will
be glad to tell you that chain letters require more people than the
population of the earth to succeed more than a few levels.

Here is what the U.S.P.S. has to say:

ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/docs-net/chain.txt:

" FROM THE UNITED STATES POSTMASTER GENERAL:

----------------------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chain Letters

A chain letter is a "get rich quick" scheme that promises that your mail
box will soon be stuffed full of cash if you decide to participate.
You're
told you can make thousands of dollars every month if you follow the
detailed instructions in the letter.

A typical chain letter includes names and addresses of several
individuals
whom you may or may not know. You are instructed to send a certain
amount
of money--usually $5--to the person at the top of the list, and then
elim-
inate that name and add yours to the bottom. You are then instructed to
mail copies of the letter to a few more individuals who will hopefully
repeat the entire process. The letter promises that if they follow the
same procedure, your name will gradually move to the top of the list and
you'll receive money -- lots of it.

There's at least one problem with chain letters. They're illegal if they
request money or other items of value and promise a substantial return
to
the participants. Chain letters are a form of gambling, and sending them
through the mail (or delivering them in person or by computer, but
mailing
money to participate) violates Title 18, United States Code, Section
1302,
the Postal Lottery Statute. (Chain letters that ask for items of minor
value, like picture postcards or recipes, are may be mailed, since such
items are not things of value within the meaning of the law.)

Recently, high-tech chain letters have begun surfacing. They may be dis-
seminated over the Internet, or may require the copying and mailing of
computer disks rather than paper. Regardless of what technology is used
to advance the scheme, if the mail is used at any step along the way, it
is still illegal.

The main thing to remember is that a chain letter is simply a bad
invest-
ment. You certainly won't get rich. You will receive little or no money.
The few dollars you may get will probably not be as much as you spend
making and mailing copies of the chain letter.

Chain letters don't work because the promise that all participants in a
chain letter will be winners is mathematically impossible. Also, many
people participate, but do not send money to the person at the top of
the
list. Some others create a chain letter that lists their name numerous
times--in various forms with different addressee. So, in reality, all
the
money in a chain is going to one person.

Do not be fooled if the chain letter is used to sell inexpensive reports
on credit, mail order sales, mailing lists, or other topics. The primary
purpose is to take your money, not to sell information. "Selling" a
prod-
uct does not ensure legality. Be doubly suspicious if there's a claim
that
the U.S. Postal Service or U.S. Postal Inspection Service has declared
the
letter legal. This is said only to mislead you. Neither the Postal
Service
nor Postal Inspectors give prior approval to any chain letter.

Participating in a chain letter is a losing proposition. Turn over any
chain letter you receive that asks for money or other items of value to
your local postmaster or nearest Postal Inspector. Write on the mailing
envelope of the letter or in a separate transmittal letter, "I received
this in the mail and believe it may be illegal."



From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:00:28 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!news.radian.com.!PC09962
From: [e-mail] (Jimmy_Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Subject: Re: NEED CASH?!!...Don't You?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 00:30:56 GMT
Organization: Radian Corporation
Lines: 6
Message-ID: <47u6ge$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: pc09962.radian.com
Keywords: SCAM ALERT!!ALERT!!
X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4
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Give me a break!! The sad thing is that there are people out there that will
actually do what you say and you will make money. Please don't post this crap
here again. Scum like you will get it in the end...I believe you are what we
all call a scam artist!!

NO ONE FOLLOW THIS GUYS ADVICE!! SCAM ALERT ALERT ALERT!!!!


From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:00:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Subject: Re: NEED CASH?!!...Don't You?
Followup-To: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Date: 10 Nov 1995 03:36:08 GMT
Organization: CS Outreach Services, Oregon State University, Corvallis, OR, USA
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References: <[e-mail]>
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Please people, don't post all sorts of responses to this spam - it will not
do any good.  What will work is sending a complaint to [e-mail],
including the complete article.

You will find that the person will have a severe "talking to" by the
administrator - if the account is not pulled. Most universities have
a statement in their user agreement that such posts are illegal and
ground for immediate account revocation.

Bill


From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:00:30 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.skiing.alpine,rec.scuba,rec.scouting,rec.running,rec.roller-coaster,rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: NEED CASH?!!...Don't You?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 17:07:11 PDT
Organization: Planet Internet
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Get fucked by a German shepard.



From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:00:31 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.icon.net!okc111.icon.net!ssampson
From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.rad
Subject: Re: NEED CASH?!!...Don't You?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:55:56
Organization: (ICON) InterConnect Online, Inc.
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <47u6ge$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] (Pete) writes:

>>NO ONE FOLLOW THIS GUYS ADVICE!! SCAM ALERT ALERT ALERT!!!!

No Shit Sherlock...

>Everyone send him mail...Fill his box.

No, always send mail to:  postmaster@offending_site

This almost always results in revocation.  Follow the data trail.
Sometimes you have to send mail to the next higher level.  For
example, postmaster and the scam user are the same.  The access
providers are good about this.  For minor infractions a warning, for
stuff like this, automatic death.



From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:00:32 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.accessone.com!ghansen.accessone.com!ghansen
From: [e-mail] (Glenn Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.rad
Subject: Re: NEED CASH?!!...Don't You?
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 05:49:57 GMT
Organization: .tacoma.link
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <47uhb8$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill Nelson) writes:

>Please people, don't post all sorts of responses to this spam - it will not
>do any good.  What will work is sending a complaint to [e-mail],
>including the complete article.

>You will find that the person will have a severe "talking to" by the
>administrator - if the account is not pulled. Most universities have
>a statement in their user agreement that such posts are illegal and
>ground for immediate account revocation.

Good advise Bill and they should remember to include the full header of the
message. Most readers require you to turn this on if it isn't already. If you
don't have the headers it really doesn't do them much good.


grh



From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:00:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Lapp)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Need DRSI driver for PA0GRI NOS
Date: 7 Nov 1995 16:53:13 GMT
Organization: H-P Panacom Div, Waterloo, ON Canada
Lines: 34
Message-ID: <47o2tp$[e-mail]>
References: <479m5c$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: hppadan.waterloo.hp.com

Steve Sampson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (John Amdor III ) writes:

: >I am setting up TCP/IP on my home station using NOSview and the book,
: >NOSintro.  The version of PA0GRI NOS that came with the copy of NOSview
: >I am using does not support the DRSI PCPA*1 that I am using currently.
: >The docs that came with NOSview, however, mention an "N6TTO Driver" for
: >the DRSI card.  So far, I have been unable to locate this driver.

: That driver was not really functional.  I believe you want to get the latest
: JNOS 1.10L off of ftp.ucsd.edu:/hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming.  It also has
: the old DRSI driver, but I don't think anyone uses it.  They all use the SCC
: driver, which has a DRSI enable flag in it.

More specificly I'm using JNOS here with a DRSI board configured
at 0x300 and IRQ 7. My attach commands are (I'll try to type this
in without any mistakes :-)

attach scc 1 init 300 4 2 0 1 0 7 p4915200 8
attach scc 0 ax25 2m 256 d1200 VE3LHO-1

a third attach of the form "attach scc 1 ..." would be be used if
I had anything on the second port of the DRSI.

The DRSI specific flag is the 8 at the end of the first attach
command.

You may also want to check your other ax25ish parameters (maxframe
persist, ...) to ensure that they match the local norms.

Hope that helps.

Dave Lapp
VE3LHO


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 >Take our digipeater (DB0DAR) as an example. It has one NETROM neighbar
 >(DB0EAM).
 >It has to send all 150 nodes in a broadcast frame to DB0EAM every 5 minutes!
 >With no information, as DB0EAM exactly knows which "nodes" it can reach. DB0E
 >just needs to now which nodes could be reached via DB0DAR which is none but
 >DB0DAR itself. But this overhead is "compatible"...

This is a good example of what I was talking about when I said
__properly configured__

The default time between node broadcasts is 1 hour, so if it's doing it
every five minutes the time between updates has been "tuned" by someone
to "improve" the network.

As I remember, there is also a parameter to set the minimum quality to
broadcast -- raising this to an appropriate value will dramatically
reduce the size of the nodes broadcast.

73 -- Lynn



 **********************************************************************
 * Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT                        [e-mail] *
 * InterFlex Systems Design                       BBS: [phone] *
 * to find out about the best in amateur radio digital communications *
 *     send e-mail to [e-mail], or call [phone]      *
 **********************************************************************


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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: NEW PACKET SYSTEM
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In <[e-mail]> Don Rotolo <[e-mail]> writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
>writes:
>>
>> ROSE requires a central "operations center" to distribute routing info
>> to the nodes -- and probably at least some intelligence in building
>> those tables.

>Lynn, there is a program (NETMGR.EXE) written that runs under windows, which
>lets you simply draw the network (drag-drop), enter the specific info, and it
>creates the routing tables for you.  In a few seconds.  Then, another automatic
>program will load all the switches for you, too.

How will you possibly handle that in a larger than trivial network?
I'm sure you would not finish this task for the European network anytime
soon, and by the time you have completed it it has changed again.
Keeping up with the changes in link availability and quality will be
a fulltime task.

>Central may be a little misleading - you can manage as little as one switch
>effectively - you just should have an idea of where the network goes from your
>point of view, at least 3 or 4 hops out...

That is already much more than a for-the-hobby sysop can cope with.
What you need for a successful amateur network is automatic routing.

Rob
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| Rob Janssen         [e-mail] | AMPRnet:   [e-mail]       |
| e-mail: [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:00:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jens David)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says:
>
>
> >|>
> >|> NET/ROM will do this as well, if it is __properly configured__
> >|>
> >|> 73 -- Lynn
>
>N>...and if you have the time to wait for NETROM to actually find a route throu
> >the network. In practice I have never seen Netrom or Rose to really
> >*work*.
>
><stuff deleted>
>
>N>73' Alexander DL8AAU
>
>Alexander (et. al.):
>
>The key to my statement above is __properly configured__.
>
>For a LARGE network, the default NET/ROM parameters aren't anywhere near
>optimum -- and to get the parameters adjusted properly requires
>cooperation from all of the NodeOps in the area.
>
>Properly configured, NET/ROM is fast.
>
>ROSE requires a central "operations center" to distribute routing info
>to the nodes -- and probably at least some intelligence in building
>those tables.
>
>I can't comment on FlexNet since it isn't used here -- it may be that it
>simply has better default settings.
>
>73 -- Lynn
>
>
>
> **********************************************************************
> * Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT                        [e-mail] *
> * InterFlex Systems Design                       BBS: [phone] *
> * to find out about the best in amateur radio digital communications *
> *     send e-mail to [e-mail], or call [phone]      *
> **********************************************************************

============================================================================
!Jens David, DG1KJD    ! Tel.: [phone]  DieBug: dg1kjd@db0ach           !
!Johann-Schmitz-Str.11 ! Email lokal:  [e-mail]          !
!53881 Euskirchen      ! Email global: [e-mail]!
============================================================================
"The single most brilliant design decision in all of UNIX was the
 choice of a SINGLE character as the end-of-line indicator" -- M. O'Dell
 "Whoever picked the end-of-line conventions for MS-DOS and the Macintosh
 should be shot!" -- Phil Karn's corollary to O'Dell's declaration
============================================================================


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From: [e-mail] (Jens David)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says:

[...]
>I can't comment on FlexNet since it isn't used here -- it may be that it
>simply has better default settings.

Since FlexNet seems to be pretty unknown outside europe, I'll elaborate
a little bit on it.
In my opinion the FlexNet system is *PERFECT*.
The base of FlexNet was to choose HOP-TO-HOP AX.25-L2 digipeating. If
I have a connection to another station, let's say my partner is on the
same port of the flexnet node as I am (to keep it easy). If I send an
info frame via the digi then as soon as the digi receives it it *directly*
acks the frame and forwards the contained data to the other station.
You may call this a protocol or even layer model violation on one hand,
but on the other hand the result is that it works *VERY* fast and with
only few protocol overhead.
The other thing is the autorouter. it works just great, too. It may not
always find the fastest route (it usually does) but the route it finds
is stable. You don't have to play with a lot of parameters, just enter
you link partner and the rest is done automatically. To check the link
quality flexnet checks the round trip time to the neighbour periodically
and updates the nodes routing table and if neccessary sends a route update
to the neigbours. There's no unreliable broadcasting.
The fact that you don't have to use the netrom protocol as layer 3 protocol
you save some protocol overhead when using tcp/ip and you're able to set
your MTU to very high values, for example my standart MTU is 1296, which
means that usually AX.25 fragmentation is used which saves - again -
protocol overhead.

At last let me say that we got both - netrom and flexnet systems in germany,
the netrom nodes mainly in the northern part of the country and I saw
both systems in action. believe me, NETROM is simply a MESS compared
with flex.
Unfortunately (?) I have nearly no experience with ROSE, so I can't say
anything about that.

Hope I was able to tell you some useful news.

73 + 55
   Jens


>
>73 -- Lynn
>
>
>
> **********************************************************************
> * Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT                        [e-mail] *
> * InterFlex Systems Design                       BBS: [phone] *
> * to find out about the best in amateur radio digital communications *
> *     send e-mail to [e-mail], or call [phone]      *
> **********************************************************************

============================================================================
!Jens David, DG1KJD    ! Tel.: [phone]  DieBug: dg1kjd@db0ach           !
!Johann-Schmitz-Str.11 ! Email lokal:  [e-mail]          !
!53881 Euskirchen      ! Email global: [e-mail]!
============================================================================
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 "Whoever picked the end-of-line conventions for MS-DOS and the Macintosh
 should be shot!" -- Phil Karn's corollary to O'Dell's declaration
============================================================================


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From: [e-mail] (Philip S  Royce III)
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Subject: PBCountyBBS
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Sparkgap Online Ham BBS
2.1 gig file source, 790 files current
packetdoor on the way.  WPBARC info and activitys
also ARES & RACES info weekly.  407-433-9336


--

Philip S. Royce III
[e-mail]



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Sparkgap Online Amateur Radio BBS
Palm Beach Countys only Ham BBS
407-433-9336
14,400 buad 24hours
790 files present ARRL an Hamnet files


--

Philip S. Royce III
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Steve Wilson)
Subject: Re: Request info about FBB..
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In article <47on1j$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>What is the latest version on FBB and where can I get it (by ftp)?
>
Try ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/packet/f6fbb

The latest is 5.15c

Good luck

Steve KD4SZK



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From: [e-mail] (Richard Harrison)
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Subject: ROSE Switches - Where/How ?
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1.  Looking for information on ROSE network. Can anyone point me in the right
direction ?

2.  Is there a listing of VHF/UHF Rose stations available some where ?


Tks, de Richard/NT2Z


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From: [e-mail] (erwin cremers)
Subject: Re: RTTY, CW, WEFAX Sound Card Software ????
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[e-mail] (Richard G. Jean Jr.) wrote:

>Hello All !!!

>Question: Does anybody know where I can find (internet or BBS) software
>          that will allow me to display RTTY, CW, or WEFAX using my sound
>          card ????
>
>         Think Super Morse will do CW, but have had no LUCK getting it to
>          work.....

>THANX IN ADVANCE !!!!

>Rich

>[e-mail]

Hello Rich,

I've asked the same question some time ago and got many people to
respond. There is software availeble on the net BUT 99% of them are
based on using a DSP chip on the soundcard. DSP stands for Digital
Sound Processing, and  this technologie isn't common used on the
soundcard you usually see.

There are some people working on software right now ,but haven't
finised it yet, that should work with soundcards that are 100%
soundblaster compatible.

But if you look on the several ham pages on the net you will see links
to FTP sides that have software like Cwave. Cwave is a program thats
working with the available 100% soundblaster compatible cards.

I hope that this helps,

erwin





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From: Gianluca Mazzini <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Spread spectrum receiver synchronisation
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I am very interesting to work around a project for the
definition of a simple spread spectrum modem by using
the direct sequence technology. Actually, I am a researcher
on Telecommunication Area for spread spectrum in the University
of Bologna and I have some experience about these systems.

G. Mazzini
Ik4lzh



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From: [e-mail] (Feico de Boer)
Subject: Re: TCPIP in the Netherlands
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In article <47sgma$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] scribbled:

 > Does anyone know what service is allocated freqs. around 27.145 mhz in
 > Europe, especially now that the European Union should probably have
 > primary allocation authority of spectrum following guidelines from the
 > ITU?

Packet radio in the CB. I'm not sure it is 100% legal, but somehow it seems
authorities allow the use of the CB for this. The call sigs you mentioned
are all made up and used to satisfy the software.

Greetings,

Feico de Boer

--

 [my employer only sponsors the bandwidth, not my opinions]


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Subject: TCPIP in the Netherlands
Date: 9 Nov 1995 09:12:42 GMT
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  Someone uploaded a port of JNOS for the Commodore Amiga to the Amiga
software archives. In the port, some of the scripts included references
to using TCPIP on 27.145 MHZ in the Netherlands. The domain.txt showed
some pretty intricate networks setup in Northwestern Europe on 11 meters.

The question arises as to the actual allocation of 11 meters in Northwestern
Europe. In using wireless nets in the Netherlands, some of the people of
setup pseudo-callsigns using prefixes such as NL0AAA, etc. which would
seem to be an American amateur call allocated to the Pacific region.

Does anyone know what service is allocated freqs. around 27.145 mhz in
Europe, especially now that the European Union should probably have
primary allocation authority of spectrum following guidelines from the
ITU?

The software seems to be complete (with some additions above the most
recent AmigaNOS). It does work (or appears to work) properly with my
domain.txt, but my curiosity to the 11 meter reference prompts this msg.

Michael P. Miller   N0JAS  Des Moines, IA
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Ronald E. Curry)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: TEKK radios and 9600 bps hardware?
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 06:50:08 GMT
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[e-mail] (Dave Michelson) wrote:

>Where can I get more information about the TEKK TNET Micro or TNET Mini
>data radios?

>Also, does anyone have any caveats or thoughts about the following hardware
>combination for 9600 bps packet?

>  Ottawa PI2 card, TAPR 9600 bps modem, TEKK TNET Micro or TNET Mini.

>(I'm using a PI2 card to make it easier to step up to 56k at a later
>date.  I still haven't decided whether to run the setup under JNOS
>or Linux....)

>Thanks.

>--
>Dave Michelson                             University of British Columbia
>[e-mail]                              Radar Remote Sensing Group


I have two of the TEKK KS900L (Micro) radios running. They work well
and are quite inexpensive. The negatives are the low power <3 watts
and the RX sensitivity is nearly as good as TEKK claims (only about .7
uvolts vs the .35 TEKK claims). The "Mini" requires mods to work well
at 9600 so it doesn't seem to make much sense. I use a KPC9612 for the
TNC but will soon upgrade to the Kantronics Data engine. I run all
this under Linux.

Ron Curry
Ron Curry
KE6WED
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Rich McDonald)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Wanted:  KISS firmware for HD-4040
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I am looking for a firmware upgrade for a Heathkit HD-4040 TNC to use it in
KISS mode.  I realize it is very old and out-of-date, but I don't need it to
do all the fancy personal mailboxes, etc.  I just want to use it for TCP/IP,
and for that all I need is KISS.

Thanks in advance.

Rich
WB0NRE
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Pete..)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Why Go Packet?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 06:44:25 GMT
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Fred <[e-mail]> wrote:



>On 5 Nov 1995, Brian Webb wrote:

>> I'm a licensed ham with full Internet access. I've been thinking about
>> going packet.  Are there any advantages for me to buy a TNC and begin
>> running 2-meter packet? Are there some unique services that can only be
>> found on packet which cannot be found on the Internet? Any feedback would
>> be appreciated.
>>
>> 73's
>>
>> Brian Webb
>> -
>>   BRIAN WEBB  [e-mail]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Only the unique feeling of having "done it on the radio" and all of the
>other hammy stuff.

>BTW--don't fool around with 1200 baud packet if you have anyone in the
>area using faster stuff.  "You be spoiled" by the speed of the phone
>lines and will never be happy with 1.2kslllllloooooooowwwwwww packet. We
>run 19.2Kb here on 440 and are in the process of installing some 9k6
>links for users who aren't brave enough to work with the fast stuff.

>Join the digital scene on ham radio.  technology will wait for no-one.

>73   de ke8tq   Fred

Well Fred

We are running at the crazy speed of 1200baud here is OZ.  Many of our
links are HF and cause much frustration (300baud).  We get abussive
messages from Sysop's claiming that we are needlessly jamming up the
network.

Unfortunately we have little experience with the high speed stuff here
and it is a little expensive to import from the U.S.  In the mean time
a lot of would be amateurs are buying a phone modem and playing
internet....

Technology is screaming past us.  A small number of people are using
the higher speeds but in general, 1200baud is our only answer...

Cheers..Peter..
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



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From: Jim Devenport <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: 2 day report running BAYCOM w/Win'95
Date: 15 Nov 1995 20:37:21 GMT
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Well, after repairing a broken solder joint on my homebrew
modem, I now have a couple days of baycom use w/Win'95 under my
belt.  The baycom window is resizeable, it transmits and
receives fine, and receives stuff in the background while I'm
busy with other apps in the foreground.
HOWEVER, the bad news is that the packet system does NOT
respond nor transmit etc while in "background" mode.   If the
baycom window is not in the foreground and the active window,
it will receive and print text to the screen but ignore all
connect requests or polls, etc, if already connected before
being relegated to the background.  So if you're trying to
carry on a packet QSO in the background or do a file transfer
over the radio while you do something else it will not work...
if left in the background long enough the other station will
eventually give up and disconnect with a timeout.
Some of you Windoze Whizzes surely may be able to come up with
config settings that would allow it to work better in this
regard.
Still, even with the limitations, it's nice to be able to at
least monitor packet activity in the background... and pop it
to the foreground if I want to actually connect to someone.
--
*********** Jim Devenport WB5AOX **************
*      PO Box 445, McIntosh NM 87032          *
*        http://nis-www.lanl.gov/~jdport/     *
***********************************************




From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:34:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Paul Morrison)
Subject: Re: AX.25 as Linux driver
Organization: BogoMIPS Research Labs
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <47rbkt$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 00:12:02 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>An AX25 driver is part of the regular Linux distribution. There's
>no reason to use JNOS unless you want the BBS functions. Otherwise
>it's a horrible kludge when you could be using kernel services
>instead.


Actually AX25 is not a standard feature in the Linux 1.2.X kernel
versions. Perhaps a CDROM or distribution vendor has prepatched things.

AX25 kernel patches and utilities are available for Linux 1.2.X.
you kind of have to hunt around for them and patch things yourself.

If that sounds too hard, Linux 1.3.X (the development series of kernels
now in beta testing for the 1.4 release) has the AX25 and NetROM stuff
already in the kernel, so all you have to do is type 'make' go through
the configuration.

you have to recompile ifconfig, route etc. to take advantage of the
ax25 and netrom stuff. there are some ax25 and netrom specific utilities
and daemons you have to get and compile too, assuming you want to do
more than TCP/IP over AX25 UI frames.

there's some other programs available too: a digipeating daemon, a routing
daemon (RSPF) and some BBS related programs.

best bet is to send mail to [e-mail] and join the
linux-hams mailing list.


>
>Gary
>
>--
>Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
>Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
>534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Do it for the log.
Date: 12 Nov 1995 11:35:52 GMT
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[e-mail] (Bruce Micales) wrote:

>In the first instance, I am clearly stating as to why I want your name..I do
>keep a log of my contacts.  Also this information can be used for sending QSL
>cards.  All of this is quickly said by asking for your name for the log.
>However, I guess I could say "I would like to know your name because I am a
>nice guy,, I am keeping a log, and I might send you a QSL card".  Hmmmm, seems
>a bit to much.

You prove my point that hams could give a damn about YOU they want your
name for the LOG so they can get an impersonal QSL card. Frequently I
hear hams on repeaters ask for a name FOR THE LOG, and not even a log for hams
there. Explain?



>Hams are very personable otherwise you would not have FM voice, AM voice, SSB
>voice, or even ATV.
>Bruce Micales

Be serious.
On voice what PERSONAL things do they say?

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
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From: [e-mail]@*user@*site.*domain.org.org (Don Kirkman)
Date: 12 Nov 95 16:06:00
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From: [e-mail] (Don Kirkman)
Subject: Re: Do it for the log.
Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access

Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>To: Multiple recipients of list HAM-L <[e-mail]>

And countless others, it turns out :-)

>How many times have you heards folks say that they wanted the other
>guy's name, QTH, etc. for the log? My log couldn't care less about
>that information. Whenever I ask, it's because I want to know.

Hey, guys, why was this posted in puzzles, running, skiing, and half a
dozen other groups?  Ham related I can understand, but PLEASE look at
the cross-posted groups!

BTW, I picked this up in rec.running, but I always wanted the name
also--and of course I wrote it IN the log (where else, back in the old
pre-computer days?)  73.  N6IM

Don Kirkman           [e-mail]
Cerritos, CA
If I had a life I'd be having a mid-life crisis


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From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:34:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Marion C. Wall )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: DSP2232 modem files
Date: 12 Nov 1995 12:33:49 GMT
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HI, I am looking for a source of drivers for the DSP2232. I want files
that will allow selection of different modems than that which comes
with the firmware. ie port 0; 1200 bps afsk and port 1; 9600 bps g3ruh.
Any other combination would be desireable. Thanks. E-Mail
[e-mail]


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:34:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Encrypted radio link ?
Date: 11 Nov 1995 14:25:39 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Steve Sampson) says:
>[e-mail] (Alexander Maximenko) writes:
>>I use TNOS for routing from TCP/IP over AX25 to local Ethernet.
>>Does there exist a version of KA9Q with the capability
>>to encrypt the radio channel ?
>
>You can encrypt your files and then FTP them, or encrypt your
>mail.
>
>Basically encryption should be done at the hardware level.
>You can buy DES TNC's from Kantronics I hear.  Course these
>wouldn't be any good for KISS, but rather Host mode or some
>such.  I believe these are popular in commercial use.

AEA made a PK90 'Commercial' TNC that did some crude encryption.  It
said right in the manual though, that the cipher was very simple.

--
Jim Harvey - WB8NBS - 18538 Inkster - Redford, Mich.  48240    Amiga Person
    [e-mail]   |   [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Scott Statton N1GAK)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Encrypted radio link ?
Date: 11 Nov 1995 10:26:02 -0800
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>>Muenzler, Kevin ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>: [e-mail] (Alexander Maximenko) writes
>>:
>>:  --I use TNOS for routeing from TCP/IP over AX25 to local Ethernet.
>>:  --Does it exist anyware the version of KA9Q with the possibility
>>:  --to encrypt the radio channel ?
>>:
>>: Alex,
>>: 97.113 Prohibited transmissions.
>>: (d) No station shall transmit: ...messages in code or ciphers where
>>:     the intent is to obscure the meaning (except where specifically
>>:     excepted elsewhere in this Part)...
>>

Has the United States gone on a rampant expanionist phase that I was
unaware of?  Can anyone show me where in the laws of the soverign
republic of Latvia that FCC part 97 is useful for anything mod
bird-cage liner?  Do you people forget that not ALL people in the
world are Americans?

In other news, hard as this is to believe, some people might be using
technology forged in the fires of the Amateur service in commercial
services both here and abroad.  I can think of a half-dozen
organizations using AX.25 on Biz-band allocations with encryption on a


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:34:56 1995
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From: (Phillip Perry - N5QCN)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Encrypted radio link ?
Date: 11 Nov 1995 15:57:58 GMT
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In article <47sro2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Muenzler, Kevin ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: [e-mail] (Alexander Maximenko) writes
>:
>:  --I use TNOS for routeing from TCP/IP over AX25 to local Ethernet.
>:  --Does it exist anyware the version of KA9Q with the possibility
>:  --to encrypt the radio channel ?
>:
>: Alex,
>: 97.113 Prohibited transmissions.
>: (d) No station shall transmit: ...messages in code or ciphers where
>:     the intent is to obscure the meaning (except where specifically
>:     excepted elsewhere in this Part)...
>
>Where does that say encryption?  All that rule is concerned about is
>'obscuring the meaning'. Usually that's what encryption is used for, but
>if there was an encryption method that made the transmission more
>efficient, and your intention was not to obscure the meaning, and it
>would probably help to give out the keys to decrypt your transmissions,
>then running encryption is legal. The FCC pretty much could care less
>what you run and how you run it, as long and you're not 'obscuring the
>meaning' and trying to prevent others from receiving your transmissions.
>
>Also where does the poster mention running it over ham radio? Ever think
>that there are folks running packet radio software and protocols outside
>of the ham bands? I'm sure the person is well aware of any possible rule
>violations, no reason to incorrectly recite rules though when the reason
>for the question is not known.
>
>: Encryption is illegal on any amateur radio frequency with the
following
>: exceptions:
>
>If I wanted to compress a file to send over packet, and I found that it
>didn't compress very good in plain text, but when I ran it though rot13
>and it compressed better, and I told people that it was rot13 and
>compressed, is that legal?  Sure it is. The intention was to get better
>compression to be more efficient on the transmission.   rot13 may not be
>much of an example for encryption (it's just character rotation), but it
>does fit the example.
>
>I'm not saying though that people should try to come up with reasons for
>running encryption,  all I'm stating is that folks need to get their
>facts straight before judging for themselves what the rules are.
>
>Ron  N8FOW
>

Listen to what the rule says, They don't want any types of ciphers put on
any amateur transmissions.  That is pretty simple.  All that they want is
simple plain text transmissions.  I think that you had better check on
the definition of encryption.  It is the same thing as saying, scrambled,
enciphered, jammed, etc.  There is no excuse to trying to get around the
rules of the game, so just follow them and you will be alright.

73,
Phil N5QCN



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From: [e-mail] (gerry.g)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Encrypted radio link ?
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 15:42:03 GMT
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[e-mail] (Scott Statton N1GAK) wrote:


>Has the United States gone on a rampant expanionist phase that I was
>unaware of?  Can anyone show me where in the laws of the soverign
>republic of Latvia that FCC part 97 is useful for anything mod
>bird-cage liner?  Do you people forget that not ALL people in the
>world are Americans?

When one leaves out the location and purpose (original poster) in a
post, asumptions will be made.

However, the original poster asked about  KA9Q, that SW certainly was
written so it could be used in the US even if used elsewhere.

gerry,g



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From: [e-mail] (Robert Wedlock)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: FBB with KPC2?
Date: 12 Nov 1995 05:37:54 GMT
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Hello.
Having trouble running FBB 5.15c with a KPC2.
Seems that once the bbs has one incoming connect (Regardless of source)
that it will reject any others. However, any number of outgoing connects
(BBS intitiated) can exist without effecting this. It appears
to be a problem with the KPC2, it seems.
We are running ESS to put the KPC2 into kiss mode.
Does anyone know of any work arounds to this?
--
Robert S. Wedlock        "Strive" - Buddha
[e-mail] (Household)
[e-mail] (Private)
[e-mail] (Packet radio)


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From: [e-mail] (marc gonka)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: GPS for APRS
Date: 13 Nov 1995 03:17:30 GMT
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Anyone know of some good suggestions for purchasing a GPS compatable with
APRS software.  Requirements: just the basics and a decent price.

                                           Thanks

                                             Marc N9WIB


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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: help MFJ1278T & HT 202
Date: 14 Nov 1995 05:03:56 GMT
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Hello one and all. I am trying to hook my MFJ1278T to my ht 202. I am not
having any luck. I can get the thing to key up but I dont get any audio.
Is anyone else running this two together? Can you please tell what I need
to do to make mine work. Please e-mail me as I don't get time to read
any newsgroups. Thank you for everyones time

Al


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[e-mail]


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark E. Sunderlin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Help Wanted in Using Hamcom 3.0!
Date: 15 Nov 1995 00:02:59 GMT
Organization: Abacus Computers - You can Count On Us
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I have Hamcomm 3.0 and I have the interface.  Just to test I connected
only yhe speaker output of my rig to the audio input on the hamcom
interface.  I ran the program and went to the tunning screen.  Nothing
happens.  In fact, the tunning indicator justs sit on 499Hz no mater
what I tune in on my rig or what volume I set the speaker at.

I went through the troubleshooting that comes with the Hamcomm
documentation and all seems well.

Can anyone give me some insite as to what may be going on?  Perhaps a
specific part of the troubleshooting I need to repeat more carefully?
Anything would be helpful at this point!!!!

--
"It is a pity that even a single drop of this noble
 gift of God should be spilled" - J.S.Bach on wine
Mark E. Sunderlin : [e-mail] : KD4HRI
aka Dr. Megabyte, Technocrat Tuba Player in Winchester, Va.



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From: Igor Blakunov <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Help.F6FBB.InterNet forwarding problem.
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From [e-mail] Nov 11 18:41:31 1995
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:05:40 +0200
From: Igor Blakunov <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc, rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Help. F6FBB. InterNet forwarding.

Hi !

I am beginner sysop F6FBB BBS.
I want to do forwarding via InterNet.
Simple scheme is:


|F6FBB BBS|    | PAD |    | GATE  |         |F6FBB BBS|
| PC 386  |----| X.25|----|X.25/IP|- - - - -| with IP |
|Ser. COM |    |     |    |       |         |         |

I would like to made following protocol:

1. From my BBS I get access to PAD port (this port on PAD
   I can configured as desire) and waiting PAD prompt.
   (for example: "SYSTEM>")
2. Then I send network address to connected with GATE X.25/IP
   (for example: "210046") and waiting InterNet prompt.
3. Then I send my login, password, and "telnet xxx.xx.xx.xx"
4. Then I send login and password again and connecting to BBS.

My questions are:

1. How I can to get access from F6FBB BBS to remote device
   (Asynchronous PAD) and to see its prompt? That must be
   single-user cable connection (as RS-232 remote terminal).

2. May be possible to made procedure to automatic realization
   my protocol (see above)?

My software:

MSDOS 6.2
F6FBB 5.15
G8BPQ 4.08a

Thank you.

Igor B. (YLGKB)
E-mail: [e-mail]


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Stan Huntting)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: How do you send binary data via a KPC3?
Date: 11 Nov 1995 15:52:54 GMT
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>I want to send small numbers of kilobytes of 8-bit binary data through
>a KPC3 in the most efficient manner.

>It seems to me that if I send binary, some bytes may be interpreted as
>command strings, rather than simply passed on by the TNC. Is this so?

Yes, there are commands for the KPC3 that do permit some data
transparency. This is suitable for sending extended character set text,
but it is far from being a high-integrity solution to file transfer. If
that is what you are looking for, three approaches have been used with
three corresponding levels of performance:

Use data transparency on both ends, push the file through, edit the
captured data to somehow recreate the original start and end of file - not
easy.

Use a simple protocol like YAPP, implemented in many programs, to transfer
a file with error detection.

Use an advanced file transfer protocol, that adds imbedded filename
recognition, remote-end operation (get file and get directory, in addition
to send file), restartability of broken transfers, and simultaneous
kb-to-kb chat during file transfer. KaGold from Interflex was the first to
offer such an advanced file transfer protocol for the kpc3, and now KaWin
offers a fully compatible implementation that adds concurrent file
transfers on multiple concurrent connects on the same or multiple TNCs!

Your choice...
--
Stan Huntting,    KF0IA
Postal Address:   4655 Pleasant Ridge Rd.,
                  Boulder, CO 80301-1731, USA
email:            [e-mail]
KaWin Home Page:  http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/
KaWin FTP Site:   ftp.csn.net in the directory /kawin



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:04 1995
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Subject: I-com 229H + PK232MBX Interface
From: [e-mail] (Ibrahim Alshugair)
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Helloand thanks for reading this message.
I want to interface my I-com 229H tranciever with my TNC∙PK232MBX for
Packet.
unfortunatlly i dont have the manual for I-com 229H to help me on the
mic connection..
Pse help if u can .
thanks in advance de Ibrahim.
E-mail     [e-mail]


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From: "Joseph P. Feehan" <[e-mail]>
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Greetings from the land of endless summer -- Tortola Island,
British Virgin Islands.
Congrats on your new page.  Obviously you are a heads-up company.
Too bad I can't visit your store.  Will keep looking for your
product info.

Joe, VP2VBL.



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Allan Moeller)
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Subject: Internetsite with Servers for TSTHOST ?
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Do anyone know an internet-site where I can get some servers/programs for
TSTHOST.

73 de OZ1DSK Allan


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:08 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KAGold..Is it still a
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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>>My opinion is that KaGold has developed into the best around.
>>I think you will find that it is worthy of your consideration.

ST>It should be the best, after all, it changes version numbers at
  >least 4 times a month.

I've been a Registered User of KaGold for over a year...and I feel no
such animosity towards Interflex.

If they didn't keep up with hardware manufacturer changes, you'd be
screaming at them for that. KaGold isn't laden with bugs or otherwise
suffer from "bad code" or anything. The changes are mostly made to
"keep up" with changes that Kantronics (and other manufacturers) make
in THEIR products.

A major benefit, for example, of v9.03+ is the ability to read not one,
but several Callsign CD-ROM databases. And QRZ! changed their data
structure between releases of their CD - and Interflex was right on top
of the situation, let us know ahead of time that it was upcoming, and
had us prepared for the Update.

Interflex is conscientious. They have their end users in mind at all
times. I have had nothing but positive experiences when contacting them
via fax, e-mail, voice, or on their own Support BBS.

Clint Bradford

 * 1st 2.00 #8286 * Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular.
---
 ■ wcECHO 4.1 ≈ AR-Net: ATTENTION to Details ■ Mira Loma, CA ■ 909-681-6221


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
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Subject: Live Reports From Comdex available at http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm
Date: 11 Nov 1995 22:25:01 GMT
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I'm headed off to Comdex, the huge computer trade show and exposition in Las
Vegas NV (Nov 13-Nov 18). I'll be there on behalf of my employer so they get to
direct my time for the most part - but given some free time, I'll post some
online reports of any neat technology that I run across. I'm hopeful to see
some wireless data type systems being demo'd.

Anyway, you'll find the reports (*If* I can get online access and everything
works out as hoped) at our free Ham Radio Online virtual magazine. Take a look
at http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm (yep, missing the "l" for what
are now obscure reasons).

Thanks and enjoy, 73,
Ed, KF7VY



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From: Robin S. Deputy <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for Windows Packet program
Date: 15 Nov 1995 03:08:08 GMT
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Another suggestion is to try KaWin software for the Kantronics
KAM (if you are so equipped).  I use it over here and it is a
wonderful little program.  I have been communicating with the
program's author and have been giving him ideas on ways to make
it more useful (such as emulating features supported in KAGOLD
and XPCOM/XPKAM/XPDUAL).  If you are interested in trying it, use
your web browser to connect to the KaWin homepage:

http://www.mutadv.com/kawin

You can download a free trial copy of the software and if you
like it, you can pay the registration fee and enjoy it like I
did.  I have tried several other kinds of software and have found
this one to be the most friendly with Windows and the most
straightforward to operate.

73, Robin Deputy KE9SQ
[e-mail]


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[e-mail] (Bill Nelson) wrote:

>Please people, don't post all sorts of responses to this spam - it will not
>do any good.  What will work is sending a complaint to [e-mail],
>including the complete article.
>
>You will find that the person will have a severe "talking to" by the
>administrator - if the account is not pulled. Most universities have
>a statement in their user agreement that such posts are illegal and
>ground for immediate account revocation.
>
>Bill

No sooner said than done.

Tom



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Terwilliger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Need Dallas area nodes
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I need to know what the popular nodes in the Dallas area are for a new ham.
 An established, dependable 1200 baud packet BBS would be nice...

--
Chris Terwilliger, AA7WD
[e-mail]


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alexander Kurpiers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: NEW PACKET SYSTEM
Date: 13 Nov 1995 14:52:52 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Rob Janssen) writes:
|> In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jens David) writes:
|> >[...]
|> >In my opinion the FlexNet system is *PERFECT*.
|> >The base of FlexNet was to choose HOP-TO-HOP AX.25-L2 digipeating. If
|> >I have a connection to another station, let's say my partner is on the
|> >same port of the flexnet node as I am (to keep it easy). If I send an
|> >info frame via the digi then as soon as the digi receives it it *directly*
|> >acks the frame and forwards the contained data to the other station.
|>
|> This is not an exclusive feature of Flexnet, NET/ROM does this as well.

NET/ROM does that only for plain AX25 PID $F0 frames. Flexnet can do this
for *any* AX25 frame (Ok, the AX25 adress header is .

|>
|> >[...]
|> Don't forget to mention that the route is determined only at link setup,
|> and is never changed lateron.   So, when a link in the network fails,
|> all connections that used that link will fail.  And, when a link comes
|> back up again, no connection that got routed around that failure at the
|> time it was setup, will start to use the link.
|> This means that long-lived connections (like BBS forwarding and Cluster
|> interlinks) have a potential performance disadvantage on Flexnet.

This is where a Level 3 would be useful. But not in the node, if I understand
the ISO layer scheme right, the BBS and Cluster have to support layer 3!

|> >[...]
|> >At last let me say that we got both - netrom and flexnet systems in germany,
|> >the netrom nodes mainly in the northern part of the country and I saw
|> >both systems in action. believe me, NETROM is simply a MESS compared
|> >with flex.
|>
|> It is not the protocol that is a mess, but the quality of the links
|> and the parameter settings.  As Flexnet is centrally controlled by
|> someone with knowledge about his product (he does all the maintenance
|> of the software and the decisions of parameter values) it is much easier
|> to keep it stable than NET/ROM.
|> The NET/ROM network consists of several non-related implementations of
|> the same protocol, and of each implementation several different versions
|> are floating around.  On top of that, each sysop can set ridiculous
|> parameters.  No wonder it performs less well.


Thank god that the sources for NET/ROM are available... I thought that this
was one of the main features ;-)
SO what do we learn from this? Critical software like node software is better
not distributed in source. In Germany we have currently 5 major versions
of TheNet (compatible to NETROM), all more or less incompatible.

This does not mean that distribution of software in general is a bad idea.
You can have sources of applications using the PC/Flexnet application API
but you cannot have the sources of PC/Flexnet. So you are able to use
the router and AX25 software in own projects without needing the source.

There are still lots of problems to be solved (i.e. the hierachical router,
IP router, optimised channel access algorithms like OPTIMA).
So maybe we should concentrate on these things.

73' Alexander


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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: NEW PACKET SYSTEM
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Organization: PE1CHL
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In <487m44$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Alexander Kurpiers) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Rob Janssen) writes:
>|> In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jens David) writes:
>|> >[...]
>|> >In my opinion the FlexNet system is *PERFECT*.
>|> >The base of FlexNet was to choose HOP-TO-HOP AX.25-L2 digipeating. If
>|> >I have a connection to another station, let's say my partner is on the
>|> >same port of the flexnet node as I am (to keep it easy). If I send an
>|> >info frame via the digi then as soon as the digi receives it it *directly*
>|> >acks the frame and forwards the contained data to the other station.
>|>
>|> This is not an exclusive feature of Flexnet, NET/ROM does this as well.

>NET/ROM does that only for plain AX25 PID $F0 frames. Flexnet can do this
>for *any* AX25 frame (Ok, the AX25 adress header is .

No, NET/ROM can send datagrams across the network, a feature which is
used to send IP over NET/ROM.  The router (layer 3) will still be used, and the
content of the packets is immaterial to NET/ROM.

>|>
>|> >[...]
>|> Don't forget to mention that the route is determined only at link setup,
>|> and is never changed lateron.   So, when a link in the network fails,
>|> all connections that used that link will fail.  And, when a link comes
>|> back up again, no connection that got routed around that failure at the
>|> time it was setup, will start to use the link.
>|> This means that long-lived connections (like BBS forwarding and Cluster
>|> interlinks) have a potential performance disadvantage on Flexnet.

>This is where a Level 3 would be useful. But not in the node, if I understand
>the ISO layer scheme right, the BBS and Cluster have to support layer 3!

No, layer 3 (routing) is a function of the network.
In Flexnet, it was combined with layer 2 in terms of header fields, but
the router functionality is still layer 3 and is performed by the network.
Unfortunately, a virtual circuit implementation was chosen, which means
it is inefficient in a network where links fail and/or vary in quality
a lot.
IMHO, a datagram implementation of the network layer is better.  Of course
it has problems as well (flow control, quick detection of fatal link
failures that mean a destination is no longer reachable).

>Thank god that the sources for NET/ROM are available... I thought that this
>was one of the main features ;-)
>SO what do we learn from this? Critical software like node software is better
>not distributed in source. In Germany we have currently 5 major versions
>of TheNet (compatible to NETROM), all more or less incompatible.

This is more or less a valid point.  I don't distribute source to my
node software either, and it is much more stable than xNOS now.
Also, the Dutch NET/ROM network works quite well, within the limitations
of the radio links it has (not enough throughput to handle the load).

>This does not mean that distribution of software in general is a bad idea.
>You can have sources of applications using the PC/Flexnet application API
>but you cannot have the sources of PC/Flexnet. So you are able to use
>the router and AX25 software in own projects without needing the source.

Unfortunately the router is not available as object code either, which
makes it impossible to incorporate in my node software.  If it were, I
would certainly experiment with it to determine if it works better than
NET/ROM in the same network.
(normally there is no 1:1 comparison because the Flexnet network uses
hardware that cannot run NET/ROM, and the NET/ROM networks cannot
instantly switch to Flexnet either)

>There are still lots of problems to be solved (i.e. the hierachical router,
>IP router, optimised channel access algorithms like OPTIMA).
>So maybe we should concentrate on these things.

I think these (hierarchical routing, IP routing) are essential things
for a good network.  Therefore I will more likely move to a network that
provides user AX.25 connections on top of a TCP/IP based network than
the other way around (as the Flexnet author now seems to be planning).

Rob
--
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Rob Janssen         [e-mail] | AMPRnet:   [e-mail]       |
| e-mail: [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Christoph Nadig)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Newby question
Date: 14 Nov 1995 14:55:38 GMT
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Hi,

I'm new to Ham and have therefor some questions before I buy my equipement.

Basically I want to connect two computers via a packet radio link (perhaps
with use of existing digipeters). These machines run under UNIX and I'd like
to use PPP as it already exists (I don't want to implement some AX.25 routing
in my kernel). Are there possibilities to establish a transparent connection
with two TNC like normal phone modems do?
Which TNC and which firmware is able to do this? What modem and tranceiver
should be used to achieve a good transfer rate?

Thanks a lot for every hint,
Cheers, Chris
--
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Newby question
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:36:09
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>Basically I want to connect two computers via a packet radio link (perhaps
>with use of existing digipeters).

Existing digipeaters are probably 1.2 kbps.  You will not like the performance.
But if your application does not require a high rate of data (say email and
such), then it would work.

>These machines run under UNIX and I'd like
>to use PPP as it already exists (I don't want to implement some AX.25 routing
>in my kernel). Are there possibilities to establish a transparent connection
>with two TNC like normal phone modems do?

Any of the TNC's on the market have a Transparent mode.  You would basically
set up your PPP or SLIP as being connected to a Null Modem.  It takes a few
settup entries in the TNC, and then you save all parameters so it will auto-
configure on power up.  What you have is a simulated serial cable, using radio.
If you get off on a frequency by yourselves (the two computers) you will find
it acceptable for email and low rate stuff.  If you try to do file transfers
or NFS mounts, then I fear you will be dissappointed.  One good plan is to buy
dual band radios.  Here you can run split frequency full duplex.  1.2 kbps at
full duplex is much faster than the normal half-duplex everyone uses.  It even
is good enough for Flight Simulator or other modem games :-)

The alternative is the Spread Spectrum Part-15 stuff.  As an example, I picked
up two at a surplus store (about $140 for the pair) but they only have 100 mW
of power. The data rate is significantly higher.  These operate at
19.2 kbps full duplex in the 900 MHz band.  As companies switch over to
the 3 and 5 GHz bands, these older 900 MHz models hit the surplus stores.
Compared to my Ham stuff running 19.2kbps half duplex across the house,
the throughput increase is quite noticeable.

--
Steve



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:18 1995
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From: Gary Watts <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: PC Serial port card
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:42:12 -0600
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Stacey,
When I had a internet machine up I uas running
Linux.. I had purchased a 6 port serial
card from BOCA
all ports were able to be set up on different irq's
or SHARE the same irq
The cost of the card was about 90.00
with each 10 pin - db9 or db25 cable costing
about 10 - 15 dollars..
a good price considering what you get....

This card was to support cts/rts but I had problems with it
in that respect..


Anyway I'm currently at work and I dont have the specific information on
the card right now..
IF you need more info the please e-mail me and I'll look for it
TTYL   and good luck

Gary Watts  de  N0OXV
Kansas City Mo
81 GL1100I


On Mon, 13 Nov 1995, Stacey E. Mills wrote:

> I'm looking for a source, preferrably mail order,
> for a multiple serial port add-on expansion card for an
> IBM-type PC.  Importantly, the card should allow flexibility in
> IRQ settings so that COM1/3 and COM2/4 don't have the same
> IRQ's, rendering it impossible to use them simultaneously.
> I'd like to be able to add 3 serial ports, for a total of four
> in my computer.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Please E-mail direct to: [e-mail]
> --
> -73's de WB4QKT
> Stacey E. (Chuck) Mills
> E-mail: [e-mail]
>
>


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From: alfonso rodriguez <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: PLUG IN MFJ1278B
Date: 13 Nov 1995 13:23:27 GMT
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I need help.
How plug in via connector DIN 5 pins of MFJ 1278B with connector mini DIN
6 pins of Kenwood TM255E.
Thanks.




From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:20 1995
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From: Raul Salazar <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: RADIOAFICIOANDOS ENLAZADOS VIA INTERNET
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Por primera vez veo un cross-posting que valio
la pena.
Ojala que este tipo de informacion (calidad)
continue.
Raul



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
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Subject: Replies to Burt Fisher are Spamming the Net
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 17:37:40 GMT
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To all readers:

Please check the "Post To:" or "Newsgroups:" listing in your
newsreader before responding to Burt Fisher.  He is spamming many
groups with his posts and your followups are doing the same.

Thanks,

Jack


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:22 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Rules of ham DUMB.
Date: 11 Nov 1995 21:42:40 GMT
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Ham operator Jokes:

1.  What is the thinnest book in the world?
    What hams know about women.

2.  How does a ham take a bubble bath?
    He eats beans for dinner.

3.  What's a ham's idea of foreplay?
    A half hour of contesting.

4.  How can you tell if a ham is sexually excited?
    If he's still breathing.

5.  How many hams does it take to change a roll of toilet paper?
     We don't know...it has never happened.

6.  What's a ham's idea of helping with the housework?
     Lifting his leg so you can vacuum.

7.  What does a ham consider a seven course meal?
     A hot dog and a six pack of beer.


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:23 1995
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From: "Dennis A. Mason" <damason>
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Subject: Re: Rules of ham DUMB.
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well burt sounds like you are very educated.



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Randol D. Williams )
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Subject: Re: Rules of ham DUMB.
Date: 12 Nov 1995 03:21:00 GMT
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In <4835cg$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

>
>Ham operator Jokes:
>
>1.  What is the thinnest book in the world?
>    What hams know about women.
>
>2.  How does a ham take a bubble bath?
>    He eats beans for dinner.
>
>3.  What's a ham's idea of foreplay?
>    A half hour of contesting.
>
>4.  How can you tell if a ham is sexually excited?
>    If he's still breathing.
>
>5.  How many hams does it take to change a roll of toilet paper?
>     We don't know...it has never happened.
>
>6.  What's a ham's idea of helping with the housework?
>     Lifting his leg so you can vacuum.
>
>7.  What does a ham consider a seven course meal?
>     A hot dog and a six pack of beer.

What kinda beer?  Can or bottle?


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:25 1995
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From: Dave Hockaday <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Rules of ham DUMB.
Date: 13 Nov 1995 02:19:37 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
>In Article<485olj$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> write:
>> Path: castle.nando.net!news
>> From: Dave Hockaday <[e-mail]>
>> Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amate=
ur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
>> Subject: Re: Rules of ham DUMB.
>> Date: 12 Nov 1995 21:24:03 GMT
>> Organization: News & Observer Public Access
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>> Message-ID: <485olj$[e-mail]>
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dio.amateur.policy:29534 rec.radio.amateur.misc:88528 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:10278 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:18962 rec.radio.a=
mateur.digital.misc:10944 rec.radio
>amateur.antenna:15344
>>
>> >>7.  What does a ham consider a seven course meal?
>> >>     A hot dog and a six pack of beer.
>> >
>> >What kinda beer?  Can or bottle?
>>
>> That is a question that deserves some serious consideration. I thought it
>> sounded like the perfect meal (I would require 2 hotdogs, though). Throw
>> in some chips and you're living good :-)
>>
>> Dave WB4IUY
>>
>So Dave, What do you do on the weekends???
>Chris KC4YLE

Partake of perfect meals, for one :-)...
WB4IUY



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:27 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!grumman.com!grumman.com!not-for-mail
From: [e-mail] (Pat Masterson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Software for HF radios?
Date: 14 Nov 1995 14:30:15 -0500
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 I just acquired an Omni VI. The manual says the software
 command set is the same as the Icom 735 radio. So, does anyone
 know where this software is? I already hae a logging program, and
 I'm not interested in a multipurpose program, just something
 to run the radio with. -pat
--
*  Pat Masterson  B38-111, Northrop Grumman Corp.*  Ham:KE2LJ
*  1111 Stewart Ave., Bethpage NY 11714          *  Packet: [e-mail]
*  516-346-6316                                  *  President Grumman Amateur
*  email: [e-mail]                        *  Radio Club  WA2LQO


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Breland)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap
Subject: re: spamming the net - was Re: The idiot ham trade.
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 23:03:53 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we
>have read thesre messages where some ham wants to trade his junk for
>something woth something).
>
Burt,
How's about trimming the non-radio groups from your posting
Newsgroups?
Thanks,

-Steve
email: [e-mail]



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steel Pony )
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Subject: Still Need Sinadder info/manual
Date: 12 Nov 1995 22:48:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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 Hi fellow hams:

 Still looking for info on Sinadder Model #S-101. Also willing to trade
 a goodie from the qrp junque box for good data. OR willing to pay cos-
 ts for repro's.


 Tnx,

 John, N5INZ


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:30 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: jkbe@zeus (John_Bednar)
Subject: Re: TEKK radios and 9600 bps hardware?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Ronald E. Curry ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Dave Michelson) wrote:

: >Where can I get more information about the TEKK TNET Micro or TNET Mini
: >data radios?
snip....

: I have two of the TEKK KS900L (Micro) radios running. They work well
: and are quite inexpensive. The negatives are the low power <3 watts
: and the RX sensitivity is nearly as good as TEKK claims (only about .7
: uvolts vs the .35 TEKK claims).
snip....

: Ron Curry

Listen to the audio from a TEKK when your SINAD meter indicates 12db of
quieting. I believe you will agree that the meter is being fooled. Most
likely this is from higher frequencies that are not there when you
hook up the sinad meter to a normal voice grade radio. I've experimented
and placed a single pole RC filter in front of the sinad meter and
the measurements look close to the spec. I'm not sure how the spec should
be written however, the audio is near full quieting when my meter indicates
12 db sinad and that isn't justified either.

John, WB3ESS



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:31 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!lexmark!usenet
From: [e-mail] (steve Wilson)
Subject: Tfpcx 2.1 English Docs
Sender: [e-mail] (News Dude)
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 19:24:21 GMT
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I am looking for English docs for TFPCX 2.1.  If you have any info on
where I can find them(if there are any) Please send me the ftp site or
BBS or if you gave them, you can send them attached to
[e-mail]

Thank for reading and thanks for any help you can give.

73 Steve KD4SZK



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:32 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: THE biggest THE ham THE problem.
Date: 11 Nov 1995 21:43:37 GMT
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      Frequently I hear hams say, THE name HERE is______.
How often do you say when you meet someone (assuming your name
is Charlie), THE name HERE is Charlie? You never do that right? After
to do so is so impersonal and asinine that you would not want
to seem like a fool-then why do it on the air? Just because you
are a ham is no excuse not to be personal. Of course you could
really sound like THE jerk of the year by saying, THE first
personal here is Charlie (at least if you are not personal-you are
using the word-albeit it in an extremely impersonal way).
Also why say "here", is your name any different when you are "there?"

73 from we here (not there) at K1OIK where THE name are Burt.
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From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:33 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: THE Burt
Date: 13 Nov 1995 01:47:11 GMT
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[e-mail] (Tim Hynde ka8ddz/qrp Rochester, MI ) wrote:

>Did it ever occour to you that meeting someone in person is differnt
>than meeting them on the air? In my 15 brief years as a ham and SWL I
>have never heard a conversation, amateur or commercial that resembled
>one I would have with someone face to face.

>Tim Hynde ka8ddz

You mean in person you are supposed to sound like a person but on
the air sounding like an ass is OK? All my conversations are spoken
as much as they would be in person as possible.

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:34 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: [e-mail] (Donald R. Sanchez )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Subject: Re: THE Burt
Date: 13 Nov 1995 03:40:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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Message-ID: <486en3$[e-mail]>
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In <48682v$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

>
>
>[e-mail] (Tim Hynde ka8ddz/qrp Rochester, MI ) wrote:
>
>>Did it ever occour to you that meeting someone in person is differnt
>>than meeting them on the air? In my 15 brief years as a ham and SWL I
>>have never heard a conversation, amateur or commercial that resembled
>>one I would have with someone face to face.
>
>>Tim Hynde ka8ddz
>
>You mean in person you are supposed to sound like a person but on
>the air sounding like an ass is OK? All my conversations are spoken
>as much as they would be in person as possible.
>
>#================#====================================================
#
>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics
|
>| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)
|
>|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember
|
>#================#====================================================
#
>| [e-mail]                                [e-mail]
|
>#=====================================================================
#
>
>

on the air he tries to come through as much of a person as possible,
but on the internet he comes through as quite the ASS!


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:35 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!ix-nhv-ct1-26
From: [e-mail] (Ronald C. Barnes)
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Subject: Re: THE Burt
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 15:55:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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Message-ID: <487put$[e-mail]>
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In article <486en3$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Donald R. Sanchez ) wrote:

_____ LOTS OF STUFF NUKED _____

>
>on the air he tries to come through as much of a person as possible,
>but on the internet he comes through as quite the ASS!


Here's an original idea here....


                        IGNORE THE ASS...  KILL FILES ARE OUR FRIENDS

I added Burt to my killfile, and WHOA..  the number of messages my newsreader
thinks it has is about half what it was.

Now... if there is only a way of filtering out responses.


--
****************************************************************
The opinions contained herein are mine and mine alone, so there!
For only I am capable of spewing forth such absurdities and my
boss / internet provider / own mother will laugh heartily at any
attempt to bring them into this and disavow any knowlege of me.
Then we'll have a beer and have a good laugh at your expense.
****************************************************************


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:36 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!eskimo!news
From: STOP @CROSS-POSTING.COM
Subject: Re: THE Burt
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Followup-To: [e-mail]
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Sender: [e-mail] (News User Id)
Reply-To: [e-mail]
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:


>[e-mail] (Tim Hynde ka8ddz/qrp Rochester, MI ) wrote:

>>Did it ever occour to you that meeting someone in person is differnt
>>than meeting them on the air? In my 15 brief years as a ham and SWL I
>>have never heard a conversation, amateur or commercial that resembled
>>one I would have with someone face to face.

>>Tim Hynde ka8ddz

>You mean in person you are supposed to sound like a person but on
>the air sounding like an ass is OK? All my conversations are spoken
>as much as they would be in person as possible.

>#================#=====================================================#
>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
>| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
>|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
>#================#=====================================================#
>| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
>#======================================================================#

                      COME ON BURT !!!!!!!!!!!!!

>rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur..space,
>rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,
>rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna

  BURT,
 Annoying, slandering, mean-spirited are all easy attributes
and you excel in every field. You occasionally kinda sorta
show some intelligence. Why don't you quit taking the LAZY
route of cross-posting, and instead narrow it to the respective
group.
 If seeing the responses generated by your remarks fascinates
you, I'm sure somewhere in the halls of M.U. is a psychology
professor that may be able to help you.
 Of course, practicing what you preach would be nice too !!!

>|  Burt Fisher   |  The less you say, the more people will remember |

regards,
founding member of the Stamp Out Cross-Posters Society   SOCS



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:38 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: [e-mail] (InterSource )
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
Date: 12 Nov 1995 20:41:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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In <4825eh$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

>
>I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we
>have read thesre messages where some ham wants to trade his junk for
>something woth something).
>
>
>From: KH2KQ@KA6EYH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM
>To  : [e-mail]


Burt there is a Salvation Army Thrift Store in Thornton Colorado (on
Washington Blvd.) that as of last week, had a box with 4 Vic 20's for
sale for $10 --- is that a hint ???? --- surely you were not serious
about that type of trade or was it a typo.>

>Hello Burt,
>
>You actually got one of those VIC-20's you wanna trade?
>
>I do not have a Icom 781, but I does have a Kenwood 950SDX - howsa
bout dat?
>
>Only problem is dat it am attached under the counter of a 36 foot
>motorhome. So if youse trade for da 950 youse gotta take the motorhome
>too. Its got a generator and only 123 actual miles. But the problem
der
>is dat it am havin a dead battery and it can't start and it is in the
>driveway of my vacation home at the beach in Malibu - so youse also
>gotta take the house in Malibu if youse want the 950SDX.
>
>Howsomever, there is a beach bunny and her girlfriend that said they
>would just die if I sold the Malibu house on the beach, so they come
>with the house and the motorhome and the radio.
>
>If dat am OK, then weese got a deal!
>
>Oh yeah, does the VIC-20 got a DC power supply with it?
>
>By the by, if you hear of anyone who has a Kenwood TS-50 attached to a
>Mercedes 450SLC - I would like to trade a Radio Shack 202 for
it!!!!!!!
>
>73 de Chuck



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:39 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!globe.indirect.com!grizzarv
From: [e-mail] (Robert V. Grizzard)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
Followup-To: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Date: 12 Nov 1995 21:49:34 GMT
Organization: Internet Direct, Inc.
Lines: 9
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InterSource ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In <4825eh$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
: >From: KH2KQ@KA6EYH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM
: >To  : [e-mail]
[chomp]

Folks, can we trim those followup-to lines?  This has nothing to do with
pyrotechnics or rocketry.  Or puzzles.  Or skiing.  Or - but you *do*
have the idea, right?


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:40 1995
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From: Intersource@Intersource@*user@*site.*domain.org.org (Intersource)
Date: 12 Nov 95 15:41:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Lines: 56


From: [e-mail] (InterSource )
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
Organization: Netcom

In <4825eh$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

>
>I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we
>have read thesre messages where some ham wants to trade his junk for
>something woth something).
>
>
>From: KH2KQ@KA6EYH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM
>To  : [e-mail]


Burt there is a Salvation Army Thrift Store in Thornton Colorado (on
Washington Blvd.) that as of last week, had a box with 4 Vic 20's for
sale for $10 --- is that a hint ???? --- surely you were not serious
about that type of trade or was it a typo.>

>Hello Burt,
>
>You actually got one of those VIC-20's you wanna trade?
>
>I do not have a Icom 781, but I does have a Kenwood 950SDX - howsa
bout dat?
>
>Only problem is dat it am attached under the counter of a 36 foot
>motorhome. So if youse trade for da 950 youse gotta take the motorhome
>too. Its got a generator and only 123 actual miles. But the problem
der
>is dat it am havin a dead battery and it can't start and it is in the
>driveway of my vacation home at the beach in Malibu - so youse also
>gotta take the house in Malibu if youse want the 950SDX.
>
>Howsomever, there is a beach bunny and her girlfriend that said they
>would just die if I sold the Malibu house on the beach, so they come
>with the house and the motorhome and the radio.
>
>If dat am OK, then weese got a deal!
>
>Oh yeah, does the VIC-20 got a DC power supply with it?
>
>By the by, if you hear of anyone who has a Kenwood TS-50 attached to a
>Mercedes 450SLC - I would like to trade a Radio Shack 202 for
it!!!!!!!
>
>73 de Chuck

--
|Fidonet:  Intersource 1:330/317
|Internet: Intersource@Intersource@*user@*site.*domain.org.org
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly their own.
| PandA's Den BBS FidoNet < > internet gateway - email [e-mail]


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:42 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.dx.net!fangz.com!whirlwind
From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
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Date: 13 Nov 1995 17:23:23 GMT
Organization: The DataXchange Network, Inc
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Speaking of idiots, this wound up in a very inappropritate newsgroup. I've
taken the liberty of leaving that newsgroup out of further discussion.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Barry K. Swank, Jr.                                          Rochester, NY
[e-mail]

Sig under construction!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:43 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!i-2000.com!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Doug Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:08:45 GMT
Organization: I-2000 Inc. - Internet Services
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we


>Howsomever, there is a beach bunny and her girlfriend that said they
>would just die if I sold the Malibu house on the beach, so they come
>with the house and the motorhome and the radio.

>By the by, if you hear of anyone who has a Kenwood TS-50 attached to a
>Mercedes 450SLC - I would like to trade a Radio Shack 202 for it!!!!!!!
>
>73 de Chuck
Hello Chuck,

I gotta Mercedes 350SL and it comes with a Alinco DR600.  Been
thinking that I might want to trade for those two beach bunnies if you
don't want them any more...

73's Doug

KN2Y



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:44 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mr.net!news.mr.net!mixer.visi.com!usenet
From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
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Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:42:37 GMT
Organization: Vector Internet Services
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[e-mail] () wrote:

>Speaking of idiots, this wound up in a very inappropritate newsgroup. I've
>taken the liberty of leaving that newsgroup out of further discussion.

<sig cut>
<inappropriate groups cut>

Why not use your judgement and remove ALL inappropriate groups like I
did?
Me



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:46 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mr.net!news.mr.net!mixer.visi.com!usenet
From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
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Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:22:05 GMT
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[e-mail] (CrazyOne - Greg Pacek) wrote:

>In article <488ff6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Doug Randall) wrote:

<snip>
<inappropriate groups cut>

PLEASE check your subject lines people!
REC.PYROTECHNICS DOESN'T CARE!
Me



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: The net and DNS
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 07:08:03
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> Is there a version of KA9Q's the net that supports DNS??
>And if so, where can I find it...

No.  There isn't enough memory left in NET (due to the memory model used).



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From: [e-mail] (Michael Schwarz)
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Subject: Re: The net and DNS
Date: 14 Nov 1995 22:09:31 GMT
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Steve Sampson ([e-mail]) wrote:

: > Is there a version of KA9Q's the net that supports DNS??
: >And if so, where can I find it...

: No.  There isn't enough memory left in NET (due to the memory model used).

What do you mean by "support DNS?"  Do you mean send DNS query requests
to a DNS server?  If so, you betcha.  My own copy does this.  Look at the
"domain addserver" command.

If you mean act as a server for DNS queries, I don't personally know.
I haven't looked that closely myself -- I use a Linux box for that.

All I know for sure is that there certainly *are* copies of KA9Q NOS
out there that will query DNS.



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Milton D. Miller II)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: The net and DNS
Date: 14 Nov 1995 23:52:19 -0600
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In article <48b42r$[e-mail]>,
Michael Schwarz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>: > Is there a version of KA9Q's the net that supports DNS??
>: >And if so, where can I find it...
>What do you mean by "support DNS?"  Do you mean send DNS query requests
>to a DNS server?  If so, you betcha.  My own copy does this.  Look at the
>"domain addserver" command.
>
>If you mean act as a server for DNS queries, I don't personally know.

There are versions of NOS that will answer requests (from the local
cache, forwarding as necessary).

However, they do not follow the RFCs in several areas.

Including things like the cache doesn't time out, negative replies
are cached like positive ones and failures are not properly
distinguished from authoritative no's.

In short, you can use it as a target for other clients, but don't
even think about pointing real connected hosts at it.


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:50 1995
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From: "Thomas W. Castle" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: The test.
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 23:44:05 -0500
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Gee Burp... I see your going to be a pain in the ass in several
news groups.... I don't know  <or care> if your problem is caused
RF, Magnetic fields or your just a plain foamer & drooler...

Why don't you try some of the other news groups for some help?
//www/ Dr. Kavor.@ death.com, Birth contol retro-active, or one
of the www// sites for "Do it yourself Frontal lobotomy, Electro-
shock therapy or just wait for your new Lithuim tablets to
come in....

If your that bored with life an have nothing better to do than
complain; maybe we can get you on the "Uni-B" X-mas mailing list...

Don't go away mad just go away....

KD4QHH a.k.a. Tom



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From: [e-mail] (Mr K S Chung)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: UO-22 still in service?
Date: 13 Nov 1995 12:01:00 -0000
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I recently got a old packet radio set which send/receive message via the microsatellite Uo-22.

In the mean time, I try to set it up to do some communication. But, I get some trouble
in the tracking part.

The only software I use to autotrack the satellite position is so called 'SAT-PC'
Some parameter (Keplerian elements) have to key in in advance in order to setup
the software probably.

However, I cannot obtain any signal from the satellite (UO-22) according to the data
got from the SAT-PC.

Can anyone tell me whether the satellite UO-22 still in service? or
Anyone can give a set updated Keplerian elements:
        1.      Sat: UO-22 (in my case)
        2.      Epoch year
        3.      Epoch day
        4.      Date of the set
        5.      Inclination
        6.      RA of node
        7.      Eccentricity
        8.      Arg. of perigee
        9.      mean anomaly
        10.     mean motion
        11.     decay rate
        12.     Epoch rev.

Please advise more as I am very new in this area.

many thanks!!

Daniel



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From: [e-mail] (Charlie Hand)
Subject: What's PACTOR?
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I took a couple years off from hamming and now that I'm back, I find
PACTOR. I gather from the name it's a cross between packet and AMTOR,
and I am hearing signals on HF that sound like AMTOR only with longer
packet lengths, so I presume that's PACTOR...

Oh, and I cannot decode these signals.

What do I need to do to my PAKRATT232 in order to run PACTOR? Where
can I find general information on the net concerning this new format?

-73's DE Charlie, AA6YK

Charlie Hand                       "Men go crazy in congregations
[e-mail]                    They only get better one by one"
San Jose, Ca.                                             -Sting



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From: [e-mail] (Robert Wedlock)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: What's PACTOR?
Date: 12 Nov 1995 17:38:02 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Charlie Hand)
writes: >

> I took a couple years off from hamming and now that I'm back, I find
> PACTOR. I gather from the name it's a cross between packet and AMTOR,
> and I am hearing signals on HF that sound like AMTOR only with longer
> packet lengths, so I presume that's PACTOR...

It is. Might be G-tor or even clover but 95% of the time it is Pactor. What
you need to do is get a more recent TNC, or do what I did - order the new roms
from AEA for your TNC.

--
Robert S. Wedlock        "Strive" - Buddha
[e-mail] (Household)
[e-mail] (Private)
[e-mail] (Packet radio)


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Holbert Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: What's PACTOR?
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 18:56:28 GMT
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[e-mail] (Charlie Hand) wrote:


>I took a couple years off from hamming and now that I'm back, I find
>PACTOR. I gather from the name it's a cross between packet and AMTOR,
>and I am hearing signals on HF that sound like AMTOR only with longer
>packet lengths, so I presume that's PACTOR...

You are correct Charlie.

>Oh, and I cannot decode these signals.

>What do I need to do to my PAKRATT232 in order to run PACTOR? Where
>can I find general information on the net concerning this new format?

Charlie you can call AEA and get the PACTOR updated PROMS and install
into your PK232MBX.  They will explain all to you.  You then need
appropriate software to decode the PACTOR.  Again you can get
PC-PACKRATT II from AEA which will decode PACTOR fine business.  You
can also get a copy of LAN-LINK version 2.32 from many BBS systems
which has the capability to decode PACTOR.

Hope this helps.  Bill/W5BBR

>-73's DE Charlie, AA6YK

>Charlie Hand                       "Men go crazy in congregations
>[e-mail]                    They only get better one by one"
>San Jose, Ca.                                             -Sting





From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Holbert Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: What's PACTOR?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 01:20:52 GMT
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[e-mail] (David Crosby) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Bill Holbert Sr.) writes:

>>Charlie you can call AEA and get the PACTOR updated PROMS and install
>>into your PK232MBX.  They will explain all to you.  You then need
>>appropriate software to decode the PACTOR.  Again you can get
>>PC-PACKRATT II from AEA which will decode PACTOR fine business.  You
>>can also get a copy of LAN-LINK version 2.32 from many BBS systems
>>which has the capability to decode PACTOR.

>I don't think this is quite right - You don't need special software to
>decode Pactor.  If the updated PROMs are installed into the PK232MBX any
>terminal program will work.

>73 de Dave
>[e-mail]
>VE3VSM @ VA3VSM.#CON.ON.CAN.NA

Reference VE3VSM comments I can only offer the following comments from
the AEA operating manual for the PK232;  "If you are using the AEA
PAKRATT for WINDOWS program, follow the instructions in the program
manual to enter the PACTOR mode.  The current AEA PAKRATT for DOS does
not support PACTOR except in the dumb terminal mode.  AEA will have PC
PAKRATT for DOS with PACTOR available later in 1993."

I must say that I have to replace the PROM's in my current PK232MBX
with the PACTOR PROM's before I can verify this to be true because my
memory is not the best.  Reason I say that is my TNC was hit by
lightening earlier this year and it took out the PROM's for PACTOR and
I replaced them with the older version without PACTOR.

Dave I do appreciate your comments and would like to hear more about
not needing PACTOR software.

Regards.

Bill, W5BBR




From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:56 1995
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From: Wieslaw Syposz <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Will YOU Be The Grim Reapers NEXT Victim ??
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Does it affect photographers more than other people?  If not, please kindly
remove that kind of comments from this group>
Cheers,
Wes



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:57 1995
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From: Jim Devenport <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: WIN '95 RUNS BAYCOM under WINDOWS
Date: 14 Nov 1995 23:14:21 GMT
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Sorry for the caps, but I think this is pretty cool stuff.
I recently upgraded to Windoze '95 and like it fine, none of
the bugs so many people seem to complain about.  NOW I like it
even more, I just plugged in an ancient homebrew modem and
opened my BAYCOM software first in DOS, then just for fun tried
the same program from a DOS window when I got Windows running
again... it works fine!  Is this the only version of Windows
that will allow BAYCOM to run in a window without having to
kill Windows altogether?
Even as I type this in one window via Netscape, my Baycom is
merrily running in an adjacent window and the screen is
updating each time a packet is received, srolling right along
like it was designed that way.
My system is a Gateway 2000 Pentium P5-120, 32K RAM, 1 gig HD.
Looks like of a sudden I'm going to be more active on packet
since I now can run it in the background under win '95 !!
--
*********** Jim Devenport WB5AOX **************
*      PO Box 445, McIntosh NM 87032          *
*        http://nis-www.lanl.gov/~jdport/     *
***********************************************




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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: WIN '95 RUNS BAYCOM under WINDOWS
Date: 15 Nov 1995 16:53:16 GMT
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Jim Devenport  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Sorry for the caps, but I think this is pretty cool stuff.
>I recently upgraded to Windoze '95 and like it fine, none of
>the bugs so many people seem to complain about.  NOW I like it
>even more, I just plugged in an ancient homebrew modem and
>opened my BAYCOM software first in DOS, then just for fun tried
>the same program from a DOS window when I got Windows running
>again... it works fine!  Is this the only version of Windows
>that will allow BAYCOM to run in a window without having to
>kill Windows altogether?
>Even as I type this in one window via Netscape, my Baycom is
>merrily running in an adjacent window and the screen is
>updating each time a packet is received, srolling right along
>like it was designed that way.
>My system is a Gateway 2000 Pentium P5-120, 32K RAM, 1 gig HD.
>Looks like of a sudden I'm going to be more active on packet
>since I now can run it in the background under win '95 !!

I dont have a baycom anymore, but I was able to time-share under
Windows 3.x with a carefully set up .PIF file...worked fine, and I
had it "windowed" as well. I now have a TNC, which of course, can
make you active 100% of the time, with never having to turn your
computer on.    :)


--
  +=================================+===================================+
  |Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT |[e-mail] |
  |Electronic/Computer Tech. @ OSU  |radio: n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam|
  +=================================+===================================+


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:35:59 1995
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From: jon scott <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: sac.swap,rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,ca.wanted,ba.wanted
Subject: WTB: PK232MBX or MFJ-1278
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 95 10:17:28 PDT
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I am looking for an AEA PK-232MBX or MFJ-1278 multi-mode
data controller.  Please e-mail me at [e-mail]
or call 510-823-8626 daytime

Jon



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: 2 day report running BAYCOM w/Win'95
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Organization: PE1CHL
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In <48h51h$[e-mail]> [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk) writes:

>In <48dj21$[e-mail]>, Jim Devenport <[e-mail]> writes:
>>HOWEVER, the bad news is that the packet system does NOT
>>respond nor transmit etc while in "background" mode.   If the

>this should be no surprise since the baycom system requires 100% attention of
>the computer to work (since there's not even the help of a real modem to do
>the conversion from sound to bits..)

Apparently you have not studied the Baycom system in much detail...

There IS a real modem, but the conversion from bits to bytes (and vice-versa)
is done in software, instead of using the appropriate hardware HDLC
implementation.  (like a Z8530 SCC)

Rob
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+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Rob Janssen         [e-mail] | AMPRnet:   [e-mail]       |
| e-mail: [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ms)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: 9600 baud packet questions???
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:13:40 GMT
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Hello,
   I have started looking into how DFSK is implemented with packet
radio.  As far was I can tell you need a true FM modulated radio(not
phase modulated) and the IF bandwidth must be 15khz.
   I understand they use a 3khz frequency shift above and below the
transmiting frequency of the radio instead of the 2200 and 1200 tones
as with AFSK in 1200 buad tncs.
   I understand they bypass the audio filters and go directly into the
varicap and the discriminator circuit of the radio..and that the PAD
sends NRZI encoded data to the modem which modulates it into tones
before sending it to the radio..
   A'm I correct so far and it there a source where I could find more
information on this subject?  Possibly a source where I could find
information/schematics on the G3RUH 9600 buad modem?

please email me at:
[e-mail]




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From: Max Lock <csd3cr@sirius>
Subject: 9600Bd Bandwidth?...
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 Hi all,

 Just a quickie, I'm planning on going over to 9600 Baud sometime soon, I
know I have to buy a radio with a wider bandwidth than a "normal" one.
I'm thinking of modifying my current radio (kenwood th-77e) to allow me
to do this.

 But, I connected the radio to a signal generator, and found that my
recieve bandwidth was almost 8K !

 Now, assuming I have this capability in transmit mode, whats stopping me
just connecting a tnc direct to the ear/mic sockets?....

 TIA Max Lock, G7UOZ...

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From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 9600Bd Bandwidth?...
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 17:06:14 GMT
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In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.951117120322.4777B-100000@sirius> Max Lock <csd3cr@sirius> writes:
>
> Just a quickie, I'm planning on going over to 9600 Baud sometime soon, I
>know I have to buy a radio with a wider bandwidth than a "normal" one.
>I'm thinking of modifying my current radio (kenwood th-77e) to allow me
>to do this.
>
> But, I connected the radio to a signal generator, and found that my
>recieve bandwidth was almost 8K !
>
> Now, assuming I have this capability in transmit mode, whats stopping me
>just connecting a tnc direct to the ear/mic sockets?....

Perhaps the fact that 9600 baud with 3 kHz deviation requires a little
over 15.6 kHz of bandpass would be one thing stopping you. Another thing
stopping you may be that your bandpass isn't phase linear (it certainly
won't be through the pre-emphasis and de-emphasis networks of ear and
mic connections).

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
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From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: 9600Bd Bandwidth?...
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Organization: PE1CHL
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951117120322.4777B-100000@sirius>
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In <Pine.SOL.3.91.951117120322.4777B-100000@sirius> Max Lock <csd3cr@sirius> writes:

> Just a quickie, I'm planning on going over to 9600 Baud sometime soon, I
>know I have to buy a radio with a wider bandwidth than a "normal" one.

Who told you that?

>I'm thinking of modifying my current radio (kenwood th-77e) to allow me
>to do this.

> But, I connected the radio to a signal generator, and found that my
>recieve bandwidth was almost 8K !

You a probably referring to audio bandwidth, not IF bandwidth.  8 KHz
would be too little IF bandwidth, but the th-77e surely has more.

> Now, assuming I have this capability in transmit mode, whats stopping me
>just connecting a tnc direct to the ear/mic sockets?....

- nothing is stopping you, but it won't work.
  you need direct connections to the modulator and demodulator.

- the problem in commercial FM transceivers is not in the receiver but
  in the transmitter.  And not on the high frequencies but the low
  frequecies.
  Try to measure the response in the 10Hz..300Hz region.

Rob
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| e-mail: [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
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From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ronald E. Curry)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: 9600Bd Bandwidth?...
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:41:58 GMT
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Max Lock <csd3cr@sirius> wrote:


> Hi all,

> Just a quickie, I'm planning on going over to 9600 Baud sometime soon, I
>know I have to buy a radio with a wider bandwidth than a "normal" one.
>I'm thinking of modifying my current radio (kenwood th-77e) to allow me
>to do this.

> But, I connected the radio to a signal generator, and found that my
>recieve bandwidth was almost 8K !

> Now, assuming I have this capability in transmit mode, whats stopping me
>just connecting a tnc direct to the ear/mic sockets?....

> TIA Max Lock, G7UOZ...

>--
> Internet: [e-mail]  /__/__/ University Of Hertfordshire /---/\
> Packet: G7UOZ@GB7MSW (AX.25)   /  /| /     Amateur Radio Society   /___/__\
> Ham Radio: G7UOZ 44.131.166.25     |_______________________________|___|__|

Max,
Not to mention the fact that the pre-emphasis and de-emphasis will
mangle the waveform, even if you modified it the TXdelay due to the
frequency synthesized design will offset much of the gain of going to
9600 baud.

Ron KE6WED
Ron Curry
KE6WED
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Grant Hooker)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: atfax14.zip email address wanted
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 04:41:24 GMT
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i,m looking for the email address of an ameteur in denmark with the
call sign  OZ1AT  an the name of anders .............   something
who write a program called atfax14.zip.any help would be
appreciated.my email address is [e-mail]



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert W. Walker, VK7KOB)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: AX.25 as Linux driver
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:07:39 GMT
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On Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:00:16 GMT, [e-mail] (Robert
W. Walker, VK7KOB) wrote:

>On Thu, 9 Nov 1995 01:12:16 GMT, [e-mail] (Shawn T.
>Rutledge) wrote:
>
>>Michael Schwarz ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>: I know I can compile JNOS for Linux.  I know I can have one of the machines
>>: on my home LAN running NOS and acting as a router for the other boxes
>>: I have running Linux (the architecture I'll probably be running), but
>>: has anyone out there taken the rather obvious shortcut of implementing
>>: an AX.25 link layer for Linux?  I haven't researched what this involves
>>
>>Yep.  Kernels in the 1.3.x series come with the AX.25 code and when you do
>>a "make config" it will ask you if you want it installed.  It's also available
>>as a patch for other kernels.  Note also that 1.3.x are "experimental" kernels
>>and thus may be less stable than 1.2.x.  I just compiled 1.3.37 with no
>>problems so far, except that now I have some terminal trouble such that
>>less and vi don't work.  Probably fixable.
>>
>>You need to also get the AX.25 tools (I forget the URL) package which
>>includes the utilities you need to configure a TNC as a "device" and
>>use it to do useful things (equivalents of telnet, ftp, etc.)  As far
>>as I've seen so far it doesn't seem to re-use the actual ftp and telnet
>>programs but rather duplicates them.  But I haven't actually used it
>>yet so I might be mistaken...
>>
>>--
>>  _______                KB7PWD @ N7MRP.AZ.US.NOAM    [e-mail]
>> (_  | |_)               html: http://enuxsa.eas.asu.edu/~rutledge/home.html
>> __) | | \__________________________________________________________________
>>* freedom of information * fusion * VRML * RISC * capitalism * electronics *
>
>




From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Wim Bovendeert ( PAoWCA ))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Baycom and a 16550 uart ????
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:56:34 GMT
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[e-mail] (Steve Sampson) wrote:

>>Does anyone knoe how to get a 16550 uart to work with baycom packet
>>software, with a 8250 uart does it works fine.

>Why waste a 16550 on Baycom??  The baycom doesn't use the serial
>chip, it just uses two register bits to toggle the bits.  Baycom is the
>serial chip in software.

>Sheesh...

>A person really needs a reality check when they're running a baycom on
>high dollar computers!  Can you imagine some idiot running Win95 and
>a Pentium with baycom??  That would be the ultimate in stupidity.  It's
>like having a 5 year old kid wash your $95k BMW...

>Spend a few bucks and buy a TNC, we'll be glad you did (the whole local
>network will be glad).

That maybey or not true, but i still intressed why it doesnot work,
according to the data sheets it should work but it does not.
has anyone a technical view on this.

And a hobby can also be used to learn something!!
if i just want  to be connected i use internet or the phone , not
packet radio ...!!,



Wim Bovendeert ( PAoWCA )
[e-mail]



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Baycom and a 16550 uart ????
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Organization: PE1CHL
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <48fpsd$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <48hbmi$[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 09:48:41 GMT
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In <48hbmi$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Wim Bovendeert ( PAoWCA )) writes:

>>Spend a few bucks and buy a TNC, we'll be glad you did (the whole local
>>network will be glad).

>That maybey or not true, but i still intressed why it doesnot work,
>according to the data sheets it should work but it does not.
>has anyone a technical view on this.

>And a hobby can also be used to learn something!!

I have never tried this and/or studied the code that deeply, but it
could be that Baycom expects the FIFO in chip to be turned off, and
does not turn it off itself.

Normally the FIFO in a 16550 is off, and it is turned on by a special
command.  Could it be you have loaded some driver or have used other software
that enables the FIFO?

Try to boot the system with as little drivers as possible, and immediately
run Baycom.

Rob
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| Rob Janssen         [e-mail] | AMPRnet:   [e-mail]       |
| e-mail: [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Pat Masterson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Baycom and a 16550 uart ????
Date: 18 Nov 1995 18:20:13 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Rob Janssen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <48hbmi$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Wim Bovendeert ( PAoWCA )) writes:
>>>Spend a few bucks and buy a TNC, we'll be glad you did (the whole local
>>That maybey or not true, but i still intressed why it doesnot work,
>>according to the data sheets it should work but it does not.
>>has anyone a technical view on this.
>
>I have never tried this and/or studied the code that deeply, but it
>could be that Baycom expects the FIFO in chip to be turned off, and
>does not turn it off itself.
>Normally the FIFO in a 16550 is off, and it is turned on by a special
>command.  Could it be you have loaded some driver or have used other software
>that enables the FIFO?
>Rob



   From memory; the Baycom TSR (L2) doesnt read bytes out of the
   uart. It doesnt use the TxRx pins. It reads bit signals on one
   of the other pins, like DSR. So, it has to sit in a tight loop
   counting and timing, the incoming signals. If we allow the
   the Baycom task to become backgrounded, it can't count bits. Uart
   interupts dont matter. You really can't run other things in a
   computer with Baycom.
   -pat

--
*  Pat Masterson  B38-111, Northrop Grumman Corp.*  Ham:KE2LJ
*  1111 Stewart Ave., Bethpage NY 11714          *  Packet: [e-mail]
*  516-346-6316                                  *  President Grumman Amateur
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Sailer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Baycom and a 16550 uart ????
Date: 20 Nov 1995 16:33:47 GMT
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: This is not true.  Baycom uses the interrupts from the UART (which
: is sending dummy bytes) as a timing reference, not a tight CPU loop.
: The timing could be affected by the UART being in FIFO mode.
There are many possibilities implementing the BayCom Receiver. Some
use the DeltaDCD (or another DeltaXXX) interrupt, which is said to be
buggy on some 16550 clones.
Some drivers measure timing by reading the system timer's counting
register instead of using the transmitter as timing reference.
I do not know how the original BayCom software does it. Maybe the
original poster could check other BayCom drivers, as there are many
implementations of BayCom drivers. (TFPCX, TFX, PC/FlexNet, AX25
Packet driver) BTW Baycom dropped their own L2 in favour of PC/FlexNet...

73s Tom
--
Thomas (Tom) Sailer                    EMail: [e-mail]
Weinbergstrasse 76                     Ham Radio: hb9jnx @ hb9w.che.eu
CH-8408 Winterthur                     Phone: ++41 52 222 32 81


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From: [e-mail] (Mirko Caserta)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: BAYCOM under WINDOWS
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 18:31:22 GMT
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Jim Devenport <[e-mail]> wrote:
=>Sorry for the caps, but I think this is pretty cool stuff.
=>I recently upgraded to Windoze '95 and like it fine, none of
=>the bugs so many people seem to complain about.  NOW I like it
=>even more, I just plugged in an ancient homebrew modem and
=>opened my BAYCOM software first in DOS, then just for fun tried
=>the same program from a DOS window when I got Windows running
=>again... it works fine!
Yes, I tried too and it worked fine. I was using the BAYCOM software
ver. 1.50a. The problem now is that I forward messages with my
home-bbs using the FBB protocol and the BBS asks me an MD2 password
too when I connect it. With TST Host I've got no problem to do these
things but TST doesn't work under Windows as BAYCOM does.

I recently heard about a new release of the BAYCOM software. Can
someone tell me something about this? Does this new release support
these features (MD2 passwd, FBB forwarding, etc)? I wonder if this new
version is FTPable somewhere.

=>Looks like of a sudden I'm going to be more active on packet
=>since I now can run it in the background under win '95 !!
Well, it's the same for me. It's not really cool having to close
Windows before you can see any packet :^)

Best 73 and thanks in advance for any reply

____________________________________
Mirko Caserta IK0ZSN, SWL I0-5252/RM
  E-mail: [e-mail]
AX25 net: [e-mail]
I QRP Club #172



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From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Before you respond to Burt
Date: 18 Nov 1995 21:58:00 -0800
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Please, those of you who are responding to the "Burt" posts are not just
posting to this newsgroup, you are also posting to:

rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,
rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,
rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,
rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,
rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,
rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine

These newsgroups are included in the "reply to" part of the header of the
"Burt" messages.

Some of these newsgroups have nothing to do with ham radio and they are
rightfully complaining.

This is not my attempt to be a "newsgroup cop".  Some of you simply
were not aware of this crossposting issue.

Burt seems to be attempting to show the dark side of hamdom and by using
this crossposting technique,  He is succeeding.

BTW, I am crossposting this message (hopefully) to the following
newgroups:
    rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
    rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
    rec.radio.amateur.antennas

If you wish to respond to me, do it directly to [e-mail]. Dont bother the
newsgroups.

--
Henry Smith ([e-mail])



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From: [e-mail] (David Stockton)
Subject: Re: Burt Fisher jokes not funny
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Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:


: Then why do I get frequent messages that appreciate my comments?


    Is this the first contact with non-human sapient entities ?

    Or is someone going to suggest that any message that likes Burt's
humour..........   No,  who would be so cruel ?


     Cheers,
              David



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From: [e-mail] (Kyle )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: CD Creation Station
Date: 16 Nov 1995 08:08:11 GMT
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CD Create Station - The complete D Recordable System
Hardware and Software for just $8995
(including one year maintenance and support)

Now Available From Soliton Computing, Inc.
[phone], [phone], Fax [phone]

CD Create Station is a cross platform CDROM solution which organizes
data from your computer and generates standard CDROMs for UNIX,
Macintosh and PC users.

CD Creation Station premastering software is the ONLY software
which enables you to create Hybrid formatting.  Hybrid reserves
all formats all data is shared  not duplicated. Hybrid CDROMs
intergrate PC(ISO9660), Macintosh(HFS) and UNIX (Rockridge)
standard formats on a single CDROM.

CD Creation Station is a Plug and Record solution.  CD Creation
Station comes complete with Premastering software, a networkable
controller, and a four speed CD Recorder.  Faster recorder, and
Kodak 75 disc transporter are also available at no additional
software costs.

Premastering software enables you to point and click to transfer
your data to conform to accepted CDROM formats.  Virtual write
is available to allow you to test and manipulate your data image
prior to recording.  Premastering software is normally loaded into
the networkable controller.

CD Creation Station's networkable controller unit rtansfers the
premastered image to the CD Recorder.  The controller unit
virtually guarantees every CDROM.  The controller unit allows
you to create CDROM from a workstation or directly from a file
server. The internal 1 GB SCSI II hard disk will work with the
SCSI buffering system to eliminate any buffer under run problem.

The CD Creation Station controller unit's SCSI cable kit connects
to your workstation or server via the SCSI II bus.  The same bus
allows other SCSI devices to be attached.

CD Creation Station allows you to choose the CD Recorder that best
fits your needs. It comes standard with Yamaha 4X recorder.  All
available CD Recorders on the market work with CD Creation Station,
like Kodak 6X, Kodak 2X, Philips 2X, and others.

Currently support plateforms:
Sun 4.1.3
Sun Solaris 2.X
SGI Irix 5.2, 5.3, 6.0.
HP/UX 9.X, 10.0X
IBM AIX 2.X, 3.X
Macintosh
Windows 3.1, WFW, W95, NT.


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:22 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!eskimo!news
From: [e-mail] (Robert Donnell - KD7NM)
Subject: Re: DSP2232 modem files
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (News User Id)
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[e-mail] (Marion C. Wall ) wrote:

>HI, I am looking for a source of drivers for the DSP2232. I want files
>that will allow selection of different modems than that which comes
>with the firmware. ie port 0; 1200 bps afsk and port 1; 9600 bps g3ruh.
>Any other combination would be desireable. Thanks. E-Mail
>[e-mail]

Unless I'm very mistaken, such does not exist.  I'd suggest however
that joining the DSP-2232 mailing list would be a good thing, as
below.

Reply-To: [e-mail] (AEA DSP2232 Mailing List)

I don't recall now which robot is used to handle subscriptions, so I'd
try sending mail to '[e-mail]' first, with the word
'subscribe' in the body, first.  If not that, send to
'[e-mail]' and use the all-purpose word 'help' in the message
body to lead you along the way.

I too am interested in other modems for the DSP-2232.

73, Bob




From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:23 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: DSP2232 PARTY
From: [e-mail] (Ibrahim Alshugair)
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 23:15:00 +0300
Organization: * Sahara BBS * Dammam,Saudi Arabia +(966)-3-833-2082 *
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Hello and thanks for reading this message.
a few monthes ago i raed a message here inviting DSP2232 owners to
subcribe at an e-mail address to discuss DSP2232 problems and to
exchange experince.
if u know that address pse help me with it...
thanks in advance de Ibrahim  7Z1IS & KE4ALP
E-mail  [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Phil Keys)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: DSP232 vs. Kam
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:58:10 -0800
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I'm also trying to decide between KAM Plus and AEA DSP232.  I called HRO.
They hadn't seen one yet but said the price would bve $440.  Called AEA
info # &and asked for literature.
--
[e-mail] (Phil Keys) KJ7ET Jeff Co Search & Rescue
Software Consultant - specializing in software safety & SQA
Port Hadlock, WA  98339  [phone]  122 44.0W  48 02.0N


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This message was from NEWS to ALL
and was forwarded to you by Lynn Taylor
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From: [e-mail] (Phil Keys)
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Subject: Re: DSP232 vs. Kam
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I'm also trying to decide between KAM Plus and AEA DSP232.  I called HRO.
They hadn't seen one yet but said the price would bve $440.  Called AEA
info # &and asked for literature.
--
[e-mail] (Phil Keys) KJ7ET Jeff Co Search & Rescue
Software Consultant - specializing in software safety & SQA
Port Hadlock, WA  98339  [phone]  122 44.0W  48 02.0N




 **********************************************************************
 * Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT                        [e-mail] *
 * InterFlex Systems Design                       BBS: [phone] *
 * to find out about the best in amateur radio digital communications *
 *     send e-mail to [e-mail], or call [phone]      *
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From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:26 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Even my wife thinks hams are...
Date: 17 Nov 1995 22:59:22 GMT
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I received a call today from a ham who would not identify himself. I
repeatedly asked him who he was, even saying to him that if he had an
opinion worth anything it is reasonable to expect he state who he was.
Still he he refused. I then commented that he was "so typical ham, no guts."
My wife then told me to get off the phone and stop wasting time with
gutless hams who hide behind their mikes. As I made one more effort to
identify the caller, he hung up. He also made a veiled threat that bad
things would happen to me, I retorted I might take it more seriously if he
were not a gutless ham.

This call is just so typical of hams, brave at a distance.



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From: [e-mail] (Mike McHugh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: FBB software questions, information
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Is this a good forum for discussion of FBB packet radio BBS software?
I'm a fairly new subscriber and haven't seen much on FBB in here so far.
What I'm interested in particularly is programming for FBB systems,
especially on ways to 'hook' the program while it's executing.

If this isn't the right place, can anyone suggest something similar
and better suited to FBB?  I only have email here, so need a digest
or discussion group.

TIA - 73

de Mike TA2ZG/W2AV  (Remote Sysop TA2EM BBS - first PRBBS in Turkiye)
                    Amateur Packet Radio:     TA2ZG@TA2EM.#IST.TUR.EU
                    InterNet (email only):    [e-mail]




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Subject: Re: FBB software questions, information
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Mike McHugh ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Is this a good forum for discussion of FBB packet radio BBS software?
: I'm a fairly new subscriber and haven't seen much on FBB in here so far.
: What I'm interested in particularly is programming for FBB systems,
: especially on ways to 'hook' the program while it's executing.

: If this isn't the right place, can anyone suggest something similar
: and better suited to FBB?  I only have email here, so need a digest
: or discussion group.


There is a FBB mail reflector. I believe you send mail to [e-mail]
and place the word subscribe on the subject line.

John, WB3ESS



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Burnham)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: FTP site for CBBS code?
Date: 20 Nov 1995 16:40:33 GMT
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I've been looking for several days for a FTP site for the latest version
of the 'CBBS' packet BBS program...written by K3RLI.  If you know wher I
can download the latest version, please email me.

73... Joe WD4KAV



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jay O'Brien - W6GO)
Subject: G8BPQ/X1J/PacketCluster: Info available
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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If you have interest in the use of G8BPQ code into a "NetRom" matrix
which uses X1J nodes or equivalent, and in the use of a standalone
computer running G8BPQ code connected to a node stack and to a
computer running G8BPQ in support of PacketCluster, you may want to
obtain a copy of GO-BPQX1.ZIP.  This archive is a file I have placed
on my ftp site and will be available on DX-BBS (502-898-8864).

My ftp site is netcom.com, then cd to pub/w6/w6go.

73, Jay
    [e-mail]


The following is from the summary at the beginning of the document
file included in GO-BPQX1.ZIP:

SUMMARY:
========
The W6GO PacketCluster node now has an "X1J node stack" connected to
the node via a computer COM port.  This gives me much better control
of the radio links and also provides a "back door" to the G8BPQ
switch in the PacketCluster node.  This arrangement also provides a
method for getting completely out of the "DRSI business", using only
external TNCs for the PacketCluster node (next year's project).

I am now using a second computer hooked to the X1J node stack as a
troubleshooting and administrative tool.  From that computer I can
access distant X1J nodes, capture data from them and make changes to
them without using the "Attach" function in PacketCluster.  From
that second computer I can also access the G8BPQ switch in the
PacketCluster node, make changes to it, read and store statistics
and tables, and even connect through the G8BPQ switch to radios on
DRSI ports and distant nodes reachable via those DRSI ports.  All
this without even touching the PacketCluster SYSOP terminal.

This document describes the W6GO installation and provides access to
information which will allow other SYSOPs to implement the same
arrangement, hopefully without the trials and tribulations I went
through while learning how to make this work.  It was worth it, and
I hope this helps you.

--


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From: "Luis B.R." <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Get us off "ham" thread, please
Date: 17 Nov 1995 21:39:50 GMT
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[e-mail] (InterSource ) wrote:
>In <4825eh$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>
>>I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we
>>have read thesre messages where some ham wants to trade his junk for
>>something woth something).
>>
>>
>>From: KH2KQ@KA6EYH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM
>>To  : [e-mail]
>
>
>Burt there is a Salvation Army Thrift Store in Thornton Colorado (on
>Washington Blvd.) that as of last week, had a box with 4 Vic 20's for
>sale for $10 --- is that a hint ???? --- surely you were not serious
>about that type of trade or was it a typo.>

{snippage}

Would you PLEASE remove rec.skiing.alpine from your posting header for this thread. We've been trying to remove this thread for a fe=
w days now.  We greatly appreciate it. Thank you in advance.

Your friends at rec.skiing.alpine



















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From: [e-mail] (Kenneth Vito Zichi)
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Date: 18 Nov 1995 20:10:55 GMT
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If you guys want to spam all the rec radio amateur gorups I couldn't care less
but why the H*ll are these stupid ham debate posts spilling into the
shortwave, scanner and puzzles (among others) groups.  Watch the
reply lines guys.  One spam is bad enough but when you all reply to all
the groups it is just plain RUDE.

Leave the rest of us in peace -- and if your must spam, do it via e-mail
to the original poster and again, leave the rest of us in peace.

Thanks for letting me rant.   73  //kvz


--
kv zichi,  [e-mail]
                                      (PGP Public Key Available on Request)
"Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrante"  --Dante
         Kind of appropriate for the Internet, eh?


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:33 1995
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From: Cal Eustaquio <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Hams please read ....
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:49:12 -0800
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Dan:
One meaning may be for "Society for the Presevation of Amplitude
Modulation." Otherwise, its a generic term for a meat product that was
invented during WW2 that is still put out in the market by Hormel (I think).


On 21 Nov 1995, Daniel Calzaretta wrote:

> I'm new to this.  What does "spam" mean?  Is it Italian or Latin for
> something?
>
>
>


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From: Hugh Shane <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: HELP: G3RUH for PSA
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:46:38 -0800 (PST)
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I know that there is a load available for the PSA architecture that
implements a G3RUH modem. Where is it? (I've been out of the loop for a
while - new job, new baby, etc.)

___

Hugh Shane, N7UAX
Project Engineer
Neda Communications, Inc.
[e-mail]

"Once in a while you get shown the light,
 In the strangest of places if you're lookin' it right."



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:35 1995
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From: cordero@atm21 (Eugene Cordero)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Help: Is data transfer possible?
Date: 19 Nov 1995 04:23:52 GMT
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Radio Masters,
I am just a mountain climber and know little of the radio world, but
have heard that transfering digital data is possible via radio.

My goal to to transfer data from my labtop computer in the
South American Andes to an internet provider in Argentina.
Here is my story:
I am on an  expedition to climb Mt. Aconcagua, the highest mountain in
the western himisphere(to leave in December).
Our plan was to update our web page from the
mountain using a satellite telephone with data transfer capabilities.
We planned to send not only text, but photos(using digital camera)
and even video.  Unfortunately, the satellite network is now
1 year behind scheldule approving data transfer, and we are left
without a means of transfering data from our computer.  Is there
a reliable way of transfering data using radio technology?
Would the required equipment be heavy...and would it work in
the mountains?  I really don't know anything about it, but if someone
could fill me in, I would be MOST grateful.
Thanks a lot!
Eugene


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:36 1995
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From: jkbe@zeus (John_Bednar)
Subject: Re: I wanna try packet - what should I buy?
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Ronald E. Curry ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

snip....

: >Gary
: >--
: >Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary

snip...

: Good points Gary but you make the point. Having owned all the TNC's
: you mentioned I can say from experience they all required "tweaking"
: and "patching" to work - except the Kantronics and the Pacomm. I think
: they are both good.

snip....

: Ron KE6WED


Like Ron, I have had them all and I hate to "pile on" but I have to add
that the Kantronics KPC3 & KPC1296 documentation is good and the
schematics are very clear.

Also, if you think you can plug any TAPR compatable TNC into any node
stack you are fooling yourself. The various RS232 interface schemes
are not compatable on diode matrix's with several TNC's.

Finally, owners of the PacComm Sprint (don't know about the Spirit) will
disagree on patches required for node use.

John, WB3ESS



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: I wanna try packet - what should I buy?
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Organization: PE1CHL
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <46dr9g$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <46mql4$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <470fts$[e-mail]> <47e76p$[e-mail]> <488lkl$[e-mail]> <48ign2$[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:16:38 GMT
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In <48ign2$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Al Gerheim) writes:

>I'd like to add that if you work DX, then Packet might be worth
>it for the DX Clusters.  I'm very disappointed, especially because
>of the availible nodes in my area.  I wouldn't work DX without
>the Cluster!

DXing using a DX Cluster is like fishing with the assistence of an
underwater camera.

Rob
--
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Rob Janssen         [e-mail] | AMPRnet:   [e-mail]       |
| e-mail: [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Donald Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Internet to Packet?
Date: 17 Nov 1995 20:37:35 GMT
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Is it possible to post an email through the internet to a ham in Germany
who uses packet?  He is not connected to the internet.  I know his packet
mail address, but internet emails I have tried to send have been rejected.
  Also, would I need to include a suffix "de"  somewhere in the address
for routing to Germany?



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Wim Bovendeert ( PAoWCA ))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Internet to Packet?
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:36:38 GMT
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[e-mail] (Donald Taylor) wrote:

>Is it possible to post an email through the internet to a ham in Germany
>who uses packet?  He is not connected to the internet.  I know his packet
>mail address, but internet emails I have tried to send have been rejected.
>  Also, would I need to include a suffix "de"  somewhere in the address
>for routing to Germany?

This only possible if you are also a licensed radio amateur.
i use the gateway via n0ary, but you have to register youself over
there befor it works, ( and be a radio amateur ).



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:40 1995
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From: Stan Honey <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Is PBtuning/IFshift necessary to use nb if filter in dig modes?
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 95 00:07:00 -0500
Organization: Delphi ([e-mail] email, 800-695-4005 voice)
Lines: 19
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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I have a Icom 725 that I want to use with a KAM Plus for digital
modes.  I am considering getting a FL100 500 Hz cw filter for the
IC725.  The IC725 does not have IF shift/passband tuning.  So my
question is: will this combination work for digital modes?  I assume
that the center frequency of the audio output of the IC725 will be
around 800 Hz in NBCW mode, based on my interpretation of the
service manual.  Is this correct?  Can the KAM Plus be adjusted to
work with audio tones that are that low compared to the 2210 Hz
center frequency that the KAM Plus normally uses?  Do I have to
either live with the 2.3 kHz SSB bandwidth of the IC 725 or buy
another radio?  I've considered getting one of the fancy audio filters
instead, but a strong adjacent signal that fit into the 2.3kHz IF
bandwidth would still cause the IC725's AGC to desensitize the
IC725 to the desired signal.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Stan
wa6iva


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Juan Toledo Cota)
Subject: Is there any MSK demodulator chip available for packet?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Alumnos de Escuela Ingenieros, Sevilla Spain
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:39:03 GMT
Lines: 17



    We are doing a project here in our Engineering School trying to start up
    a packet radio network. We want to make our own modem card, and we would
    like to know whether there is any chip that could do demodulation of
    an MSK signal directly.

    Any information would be very much appreciated.

    Thanks in advance.


--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Juan Toledo Cota  Delegado de Alumnos en funciones E.S. Ingenieros de Sevilla
[e-mail] http://www.esi.us.es/~toledo
    "Who is this General Failure and why is he trying to read my disk?!!"


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Is there any MSK demodulator chip available for packet?
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Organization: PE1CHL
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:14:34 GMT
Lines: 20

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Juan Toledo Cota) writes:



>    We are doing a project here in our Engineering School trying to start up
>    a packet radio network. We want to make our own modem card, and we would
>    like to know whether there is any chip that could do demodulation of
>    an MSK signal directly.

You could try the FX-489 and FX-589 by CML.
Note that it is a complete modem, but not compatible with common practice
on amateur radio.  You will need extra circuitry for that.
(NRZI encoding, scrambling)

Rob
--
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Rob Janssen         [e-mail] | AMPRnet:   [e-mail]       |
| e-mail: [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:43 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: NEW PACKET SYSTEM
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: InterFlex Systems Design [phone]
X-Mailer: TBBS/TIGER v1.0
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 13:35:09 -0800
Lines: 21



N>NET/ROM does that only for plain AX25 PID $F0 frames. Flexnet can do this
 >for *any* AX25 frame (Ok, the AX25 adress header is .

NET/ROM can be configured to digipeat all frames, UI frames only, or not
to digipeat at all.

Allowing users to digipeat through nodes does not "encourage" them to
USE the nodes.

73 -- Lynn



 **********************************************************************
 * Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT                        [e-mail] *
 * InterFlex Systems Design                       BBS: [phone] *
 * to find out about the best in amateur radio digital communications *
 *     send e-mail to [e-mail], or call [phone]      *
 *******


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rick Whiting)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Nexus / Spread Spectrum System?
Date: 21 Nov 95 21:11:44 GMT
Organization: ucsd usenet gateway
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NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: [e-mail]

I am looking for someone with experience using spread spectrum in a WAN
application in the 900 Mhz ISM band. I am especially interested in
contacting someone with experience with the Nexus Telecommunications Ltd.
frequency-hopping spread-spectrum 2-way paging system.
  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
 | Richard A. (Rick) Whiting          Phone:  + 1 612 550 1213            |
 | 5780 Rosewood Ln. N.               E-mail: [e-mail]      |
 | Plymouth, MN 55442-1411            Packet: W0TN @ WB0GDB.MN.USA.NOAM   |
 | U.S.A.                             Fax:    Number on request           |
  ------------------------------------------------------------------------



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:45 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Feico de Boer)
Subject: Packet radio modem with DSP ?
Sender: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:13:09 GMT
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Hello,

Suppose I want to do packet radio and have one modem for different speeds.
The logical way to go seems a DSP, it can be cheap and with the correct
programs it does all you want.

Can someone provide my pointers to DSP hard and software. I prefer http URL's
but ftp will do. I'm looking for both DSP software and hardware.

Thanks,

Feico de Boer

--
 [my employer only sponsors the bandwidth, not my opinions]


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Sailer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Packet radio modem with DSP ?
Date: 20 Nov 1995 16:51:08 GMT
Organization: ETH Zuerich, Departement Electrical Engineering
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: Suppose I want to do packet radio and have one modem for different speeds.
: The logical way to go seems a DSP, it can be cheap and with the correct
: programs it does all you want.
You may use a PC soundcard containing Analog Devices' Personal Sound
Architecture Chipset
I wrote software that lets you do 1200 Baud AFSK and 9600 Baud G3RUH
compatible Packet Radio, as well as RTTY, Amtor and Pactor I

http://www.echospeech.com/index.html
http://www.analog.com/publications/press/misc/press_060694.html

73s Tom
--
Thomas (Tom) Sailer                    EMail: [e-mail]
Weinbergstrasse 76                     Ham Radio: hb9jnx @ hb9w.che.eu
CH-8408 Winterthur                     Phone: ++41 52 222 32 81


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:47 1995
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From: danny zak - bone ripper <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: packet radio on 27 mc (34-40)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 04:05:39 -0800
Organization: game review
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hello

what would say if they made packet radio legal on the CB ... from
channels 34-40 ??

Would you like it ?
Would you NOT like it ?
Reply please

see ya


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: packet radio on 27 mc (34-40)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:15:15
Organization: (ICON) InterConnect Online, Inc.
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danny zak - bone ripper <[e-mail]> writes:

>what would say if they made packet radio legal on the CB ... from
>channels 34-40 ??

If it would get those hillbillies to turn off the echo-chambers and
power mikes, then it is good.

The trouble is, someone would see you were having fun and jam
the piss out of it.

Since the FCC has put their head in the sand on 27 MHz (unless
the whole neighborhood is in an uproar) I'd say screw the rules
and have at it.  Hell, the FCC is home drinking beer right now while
Clinton picks his hillbilly nose.



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:48 1995
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From: Hank Blackstock <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: packet radio on 27 mc (34-40)
Date: 20 Nov 1995 02:23:39 GMT
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To: [e-mail]

Why should I even care?..73 Hank



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: packet radio on 27 mc (34-40)
Date: 20 Nov 1995 07:52:31 GMT
Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation
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  > would say if they made packet radio legal on the CB ... from
  >nels 34-40 ??
  >
  >Would you like it ?
  >Would you NOT like it ?
  >eply please
  >

    Yes, it would be a good idea. But, maybe six new channels above 40
should be made available in 2-channel pairs for packets modulating AM,
FM and FSK.

    de Richard/NT2Z


'[1;35;40m-=> Delphi Internet Jet v3.012 - (C) PBE


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:52 1995
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From: Joe Burns <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: PK-232 and Linux
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 08:53:22 -0500
Organization: InternetMCI
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I'm about to setup a PK-232MBX for use with Linux (1.2.13 kernel).
Does anyone have any experience or suggestions?  Are there any
FAQs available?

Thanks in advance,

Joe
KC5KIH
Atlanta, GA


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:53 1995
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From: Bob Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: PK-232 and Linux
Date: 18 Nov 1995 04:42:23 GMT
Organization: W6SWE
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Message-ID: <48jo7f$[e-mail]>
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Joe Burns <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm about to setup a PK-232MBX for use with Linux (1.2.13 kernel).
>Does anyone have any experience or suggestions?  Are there any
>FAQs available?

Get the HAM-HOWTO from sunsite.unc.edu.  It describes most of the software
available for amateur applications.  The PK-232MBX should work fine in KISS
mode with the ax.25 stuff in the 1.3.x kernels, or you can add it to 1.2.x.
Otherwise, any terminal program, such as Seyon, should work.

Bob

-----------
Bob Nielsen                         Internet: [e-mail]
Tucson, AZ                          AMPRnet: [e-mail]
http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen    AX.25: [e-mail]



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary L. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: PK-900
Date: 17 Nov 1995 15:49:59 GMT
Organization: XP Software
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In article <48h6fe$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Fredstrom) says:
>
>Anyone know of a program to send FAX or SSTV with the PK-900??
>


        I have used JVFAX 7.0 with the PK900 and it does a very fine job of
receiving FAX and SSTV.  It does not support transmitting FAX.  There is
a new version of JVFAX 7.1 at ftp.funet.fi,  but I haven't used this version
yet so I don't know if PK900 transmit capability has been added.


73 Gary KF7XP

****************************************************************************************
Gary L. Johnson                            * XPCOM / XPDUAL / XPKAM / XPPTC
[e-mail]                      * BBS [phone]
CIS: 74041,2317                            * Voice [phone]
FTP: ftp.indirect.com    pub/www/gjohnson  * http://www.indirect.com/user/gjohnson/
****************************************************************************************


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:55 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Radio
From: [e-mail] (Fathi Aljishi)
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!sahara1!fathi_aljishi
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 21:32:00 +0300
Organization: * Sahara BBS * Dammam,Saudi Arabia +(966)-3-833-2082 *
Lines: 8

Hi,
You said in a message before that you use Ham, so what kind of machines
do you use and where to call.
Is it for speech or like computer.
Fathi

 * QMPro 1.53 * Vega Star BBS - 966 3 8540810



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:56 1995
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From: DOUG GAVILANES <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: RADIOAFICIOANDOS ENLAZADOS VIA INTERNET
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Saludos desde la zona W6,
             Que tal si la proxima vez usamos una repetidora de 2M o
440MHz en Los Angeles? El sistema de 1.2 GHz no tiene mucho uso aqui en
Los Angeles. Les felicito por el hecho. Acabo de comprar Internet Phone y
reconozco que hacer la conexion resulta sumamente facil. Voy a averiguar
si hay alguna repetidora mas accesible que quiere participar para otro
enlace. Hasta pronto,

73 cordiales desde Disneylandia,

Douglas Gavilanes Russo, N6XQY
[e-mail]




From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: TEKK radios and 9600 bps hardware?
Date: 18 Nov 1995 17:06:46 GMT
Organization: Driver Aces, Inc.
Lines: 15
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NNTP-Posting-Host: flush.driver-aces.com

In article <48h9fl$[e-mail]>,
Brian Kantor <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I believe most SINAD meters expect the audio to be de-emphasized and I
>don't think the TEKK's audio output is.
>
>Hmm.  75k and .01 might do it.
>       - Brian

I think you're looking for a time constant of 75uS (though I thought
120uS is customary for NBFM stuff), which would be 7.5k and .01uF
(7.5e3 * .01e-6 = 75e-6).  I usually just use 10k and .01uF for
de-emphasis when I'm not worried about critical accuracy.

[What is an order of magnitude between friends? ;-)]



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From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:58:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr.)
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If I fix a HAM & CHEESE on Jewish Rye, is it KOSHER, or must I use
Kosher Pickles to get the effect?




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From: [e-mail] (Graeme Humphries)
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Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
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Date: 18 Nov 1995 23:09:32 GMT
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        What about free BEEF???


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:59:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Weaver)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: TNC reports that station is busy - but it's not!
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 23:06:42 GMT
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[e-mail] (Pheezer) wrote:

>Does anyone know thae cause of a TNC reporting that it is busy when it is not?

>A station will call my TNC.  It calls me, not my PBBS.  The station is provided
>a reply that my station is busy.

>My TNC is a Kantronics KAMPlus.

>I'm confused!  Any constructive replies are asked for.

>Thanks!


>Dave - WA6TPJ

Well Dave I can't give you an answer but I have a fellow ham in the
area here that has the same problem. He is also running a Kam+ and
even after upgrading the chip two times in the past year the problem
still persists. There also seems to be no pattern to the problem also.
His TNC may work fine for days and then it starts putting out busy
signals. I can connect to his PBBS or KaNode but not direct to him. We
have tried this numerous times with him watching and scratching his
head. Sound like the same problem. Sorry I can't help further.

Regards,
Larry




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From: danny zak - bone ripper <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: TNC1 what does it cost ?
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 04:07:14 -0800
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hello

i'm from belgium, i would like to know what a TNC 1 costs ?

email me for respons or write it in this newsgroup

see ya

[ EMAIL : [e-mail] ]


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:59:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (William Alexander Kellogg)
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Subject: TS-50S RCP Software
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 00:55:42 GMT
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I;m looking for radio control softawre for my TS-50S

Bill Kellogg
W1ZIW
[e-mail]



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:59:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Don Breazile)
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Subject: TS-850 TO KAM FSK
Date: 19 Nov 1995 07:13:24 GMT
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I have a kenwood ts-850 commiing, and was wondering if anyone can give me
pointers about connecting it for fsk with the kam-plus
or any other info I should know.
thanks Don



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From: Newbury <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Use for an old PC?
Date: 16 Nov 1995 03:52:51 GMT
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I have an old 8086 computer that still works (!) that I'd like to give to
my father as a Christmas present.  He is into Ham Radio and thought he'd
like to try packet.  What other equipment/software do I need to make a
packet "system"?

Thanks in advance for the help!

Ken Newbury



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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: Use for an old PC?
Date: 16 Nov 1995 19:12:59 GMT
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In article <48f52v$[e-mail]>, Bob  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>All He needs is a TNC a radio and a communications program. There
>are many programs that are made just for packet. The TNC will
>depend on what he wants to do. I have the PK232MBX but any good
>TNC is fine.
>Bob WA2IHJ
>wa2ihj.ampr.org 44.64.12.24

Dont forget an availible serial port (and cable).


--
  +=================================+===================================+
  |Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT |[e-mail] |
  |Electronic/Computer Tech. @ OSU  |radio: n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam|
  +=================================+===================================+


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:59:06 1995
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From: Frank G3YCC <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Use for an old PC?
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 08:11:29 +0000
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In article <48f52v$[e-mail]>, Bob <[e-mail]> writes
>All He needs is a TNC a radio and a communications program. There
>are many programs that are made just for packet. The TNC will
>depend on what he wants to do. I have the PK232MBX but any good
>TNC is fine.
>Bob WA2IHJ
>wa2ihj.ampr.org 44.64.12.24
>
>
Of course it depends what modes he may wish to use and what you want to
spend. I suggest you go along to your local ham store and check what is
availlable there in your price range. For packet alone, you have to
remember some will only work on VHF, others will do HF as well. For VHF
(and UHF), the Tiny 2 is a good one, For both HF and VHF/UHF - the PK88
is one example. As Bob says the PK232 is an excellent choice, as is the
Kam. Both multimodes, which offer a range of modes, like RTTY, Pactor,
SSTV, Fax etc etc, are a good bet, but cost considerably more.
Regards,
--
Frank G3YCC (G QRP 042)
Email: [e-mail]


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:59:07 1995
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From: Kevin Kelleher <kevink>
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Subject: Re: What some think about sexy hams
Date: 16 Nov 1995 14:37:17 GMT
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After reading the original "sexy hams" message, I see that the hams in
question where not anatomical, but radio hams.  Sorry.  I just assumed
that in a rec.running, hams were the... well you know.



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:59:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (bill harris)
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Subject: Re: What some think about sexy hams
Date: 16 Nov 1995 02:20:46 -0500
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>>I've only been an amateur radio operator for 18 years and I would have to
(snip)
>>Don't let the bad apples spoil the excitement that can be found in amateur
>>radio, there is something there for everyone (wives/girlfriends too).

>Speaking of HAM radios, could this group help me out?  Every time I go and
>dive with my radio set, the fuse blows.  What's the trick here?

Next time you dive make sure there is water in the pool.

Bill - K5MIL



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:59:09 1995
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From: Sarah Godfrey <[e-mail].>
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Subject: Re: What some think about sexy hams
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What is all this???




From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:59:11 1995
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From: Kevin Kelleher <kevink>
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Subject: Re: What some think about sexy hams
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Please add rec.org.mensa.flame.flame.flame to this thread.

And let me say that I love running behind a woman with sexy hams.



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From: [e-mail] (Robert V. Grizzard)
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Subject: Re: What some think about sexy hams
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Sarah Godfrey ([e-mail].) wrote:
: What is all this???


Sarah, this is a thread with a hitherto untrimmed followup-to line.

Since this doesn't fit anywhere else in the known ham radio universe, I'm
going to arbitrarily set the followups to rec.radio.amateur.misc.

I don't know where it started from.

KG7YY (posting from rec.pyrotechnics)


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>Speaking of HAM radios, could this group help me out?  Every time I go and
>dive with my radio set, the fuse blows.  What's the trick here?
>

Ah, yes...
There was a time when having a HAM ticket *meant* something...
When a fuse blows consistantly, it's because there's more current going
thru the fuse than the fuse is rated to carry. The fuse, being a safety
device, blows to prevent this excess current from flowing, possibly
damaging something.
Check to make sure the fuse is the proper rating for the gear. Do *not*
replace it with a higher-rated fuse! If it is the correct fuse, then the
gear is drawing too much current. This needs to be corrected. Maybe it's a
short in the power line, maybe the gear is not a boat anchor. Either
extreme, and all points in between should be checked, and corrected.
Good luck.
Bill



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 18:59:14 1995
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Subject: Re: What some think about sexy hams
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In article <48q0d2$[e-mail]>, Bob Crownfield
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Bill Funk <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> >>Speaking of HAM radios, could this group help me out?  Every time I go and
> >>dive with my radio set, the fuse blows.  What's the trick here?
> >>
> >
> >Ah, yes...
> >There was a time when having a HAM ticket *meant* something...
> >When a fuse blows consistantly, it's because there's more current going
> >thru the fuse than the fuse is rated to carry. The fuse, being a safety
> >device, blows to prevent this excess current from flowing, possibly
> >damaging something.
> >Check to make sure the fuse is the proper rating for the gear. Do *not*
> >replace it with a higher-rated fuse! If it is the correct fuse, then the
> >gear is drawing too much current. This needs to be corrected. Maybe it's a
> >short in the power line, maybe the gear is not a boat anchor. Either
> >extreme, and all points in between should be checked, and corrected.
> >Good luck.
> >Bill
> >
>
> Bill:
>       Why are you talking about radios in rec.scuba? How did this ham
> chat get lost in rec.scuba in the first place?

Personally, I think a group of less than laudable people got together and
decided to have fun by posting a series of totally meaningless messages in
a set of totally inappropriate places.  Theater of the absurd.   Okay guys,
we've seen it; I give it a 3 on difficulty and a 4 on creativity.   No
medal, not even honorable mention.  So, wrap up the production, go away...
don't call us, we'll call you.


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From: [e-mail] (Klaus Linnert)
Date: 18 Nov 95 20:33:23
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Hi All , hope you are having a nice day

I am having trouble with running TPK under WIN95. I runs perfect 1 or 2
weeks, then the problem was there. It starts when TPK is forwarding a message
to my home BBS. When the header is sent, TPK goes down. If I press Esc several
times TPK goes on, but without having sent the mail. Whats wrong ?




 -=> Yours sincerely, Klaus Linnert <=-
--


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Subject: Re: 4800 Baud
Date: 24 Nov 1995 16:48:31 GMT
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Paul love ([e-mail]) wrote:

> Greetings,
> Was wondering if 4k8 packet has any following else where in the world.
> Down here in VK there is some limited L.A.N.'s around with 4k8 activity.
> Most are in NSW from what I've seen. There are a couple of simple modem
> designs apparently floating around , which make it cheap and easy to get
> on 4k8. There is apparently no need for heavy radio mod's( in most
> cases), I'm told.

> Reason for the enquiry is that there has been some discussion at my club
> about the feasibility of getting a 4k8 local area network going in our
> area, basically as an experiment. The idea was to source a good and
> readily constructable modem design and run a club project to source bulk
> components , and construct the modem "kits" on a designated "project"
> night.

> The advantages to 4k8 that we considered were the economic , no special
> radio's or mod's required, the possibilty of 2 metre operation, all
> round it appears worthwhile for our little network on the peninsula
> here.  We could open a 4k8 port on the club BBS ( I co-sysop) , and as
> increasing numbers of people used it, I believe the advantages of the
> superior thru -put would encourage many to follow suit.

> In VK4 it was decided by the digital group here that 9k6 was all they
> would sponsor apart from 1k2 , but the cost factor alone would prevent
> many packet op's from even considering this as an alternative . Most run
> homebrew modem's or cheap TNC's , and basically the law of diminishing
> returns means all that expense to be able to read a bulletin a little
> faster,isn't enough to encourage "change".

> Any input on FTP sites with design info for 4k8, and input from personal
> experience with 4k8, it's pro's and con's , etc . would be appreciated.

> Thanking you in advance.....Paul. VK4XD @ VK4ITM.#BNE.QLD.AUS.OC

By just talking about the speed of the modem, you don't define the system..

For example: a 9600 bd modem (G3RUH type) can also be used on 4800 bd.

Here in the Netherlands, the 4800 bd modem from the HAPN group is much used.
(original design by VE3DNL, aug 1988). It's a 'duobinary coding' system.
The big advantage over the G3RUH 9k6 system is that there are no
low-frequency parts in the generated audiosignal. Therefore it can be
used on VCO-modulated transmitters. You still need direct interfacing with
the FM discriminator / modulator however.

The disadvantage : less spectrum-efficient and needs more signal for the
same bit error rate as a G3RUH type modem.

The carrier detect circuitry on the HAPN / VE3DNL modem is a noise-type
squelch circuit. It can coexist with other modulation types on the same
channel. A G3RUH modem only 'sees' it's own type of signals - making it
impossible to combine it with 1200bd for example.

73 Joop
[e-mail]
pe1dna@pi8zaa.#nbo.nld.eu



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From: [e-mail] (Ronald E. Curry)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: 9600 Baud using the Alinco DR1200TH Radio
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 07:21:14 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

>Has anyone been using the Alinco Radio DR1200TH on 9600 baud packet?  If so, does the
>DR1200TH perform okay at 9600 baud.  I am considering buying a 9600 baud radio for packet and
>was considering buying the DR1200TH.

>Any comments would be appreciated either here or email me.  Thanks in advance.


>Regards,


>James, N5SKU  ([e-mail])
>

Don't waste your money. This is a warmed over voice radio and hasn't
faired well in BER testing (QST).Plus it is synthesized so the TXdelay
is very high (over 200ms).  Get a dedicated data radio like the MJF
8621 (2meters or  a TEKK KS900L(440) or Kantronics D4-10(44). The MFJ
and the TEKK cost only about $120, the D4-10 is about $220 (from AEA).
I'm told modified Motorola Mitrex's work well also.

These radios are cheaper they work super and you at least have the
potential of getting high throughput.

Ron KE6WED
Ron Curry
KE6WED
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



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     details of the G3RUH have been written up in one of the CNC (Computer
     Networking Conference) proceedings. Since I'm at work, I dont have the
     reference handy.

     Most larger ham stores (or even your local packet guru) will have
     copies (or be able to get them).

     They MAY be avail from TAPR too.

     Dave
        - VK5DJZ


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From: [e-mail] (Mistie Mullarkey)
Subject: ATV Frequencies on Cable TV Channels
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        Hello, I have been tols that you can pick up ATV Broadcasts on regular
CATV. Does anyone know what each CATV frequency is? Thanks alot.
--





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From: [e-mail] (ALAIN BOURASSA)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: BayCom 9600 with PIC ???
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Hi

JO>Someone told me at there was a BayCom type parallel port modem design
  >using the PIC processor rather than a million descrete chips like the
  >BayCom design.  Anybody know where I can get one? Kit or assembled?
  >I'd sure appreciate it if someone could point me toward the source!

Yup
The new Baycom modem design 9600 bauds G3RUH compatible for the parallel
port

it's supported in Baycom 1.6

I have no more infos about that mysterious modem

Alain
VE2MTV

 * OLX 2.2 * EMAIL: [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (David Lapp)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: BayCom 9600 with PIC ???
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ALAIN BOURASSA ([e-mail]) wrote:

: JO>Someone told me at there was a BayCom type parallel port modem design
:   >using the PIC processor rather than a million descrete chips like the
:   >BayCom design.  Anybody know where I can get one? Kit or assembled?
:   >I'd sure appreciate it if someone could point me toward the source!

: Yup
: The new Baycom modem design 9600 bauds G3RUH compatible for the parallel
: port

I don't think the Baycom 9600 modem uses a PIC tho ?

The following was posted recently tho and this modem does seem
to use a PIC:


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The Vfast28.8 GMSK High speed Packet modem.

The Vfast28.8 is a radio modem kit for AX25 Packet radio users.
This new GMSK modem has been developed by G6WPJ & G8STW
specifically for use by Radio Amateurs.  The GMSK data modulation
method used is similar to the method used by the GSM digital
cellular radio system.
The Vfast28.8 uses the latest in VLSI component technology .

Feature list.
-------------

* Half Duplex Data signaling between 3600 and 38400 bits per second.
* Simple plug fit onto many types of TNC .
* TNC 2  compatible 20 way connector on the circuit board.
* Compatible with G3RUH based designs when operated at 9600 bits
  per second.
* Fast receive "lock on time" and Data Carrier Detect generation.
* PTT control circuits and Watchdog timer included on the circuit board.
* Easy to use Calibrate and setup signals.
* Audible Morse code Ident generation to meet UK licence requirements.
* Built in data scrambler / de-scrambler as per G3RUH and others.
* Low power consumption.
* Small Circuit board size (140mm x 60mm) with few components.

The kit consists of the following :-

A double sided PTH high quality PCB.
A pre-programmed microcontroller.
A 50 page high quality technical manual.

Price is 39 UK Pounds Sterling in the UK  or 45 UK pounds
for overseas. The additional componants required should cost
around 15 UK Pounds Sterling.

The manual is available seperately for 10 UK pounds in the
UK or 12 UK pounds overseas. The manual price is refundable
against the cost of the kit.    Prices include carriage.

To find out more look at the following Worldwide Web page :-

http://www.stack.serpukhov.su/~victor/hamradio/packet/vfast288.html

To know more please e-mail: [e-mail]

Thank you for reading this and we look forward to hearing from you.

73's de Matt G6WPJ and John G8STW.




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From: Jim Devenport <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Baycom and a 16550 uart ????
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I totally agree with your post, as I am a "primo"  "stupid
idiot" running baycom on a Pentium Win '95 system, as well as
other useful and interesting DOS apps.  Being able to use this
high-performance system with a packet window running in the
background comes in very handy, though of course those of us
who have tried most of the Baycom/Digicom systems realize a
Commodore 64 running Digicom outperforms a Pentium running
baycom hands down.... Digicom will even accept higher baud
rates than Baycom will.  Baycom doesn't allow access
and control of the outside world via any I/O port as
will many versions of Digicom.  However, the poor C64 in
question won't run windows, netscape, MS word, etc, all at
once.
Packet radio itself, especially the 300/1200 baud variety, is a
simple task for even the oldest slow machines back as far at
least as the Apples and Ataris and C64's, the Aussies even had
a tnc emulator written for the Vic 20.  That doesn't mean it's
not a fun or even at times useful mode to run on a modern day
super-kilobuck whiz machine (IMHO of course).
--
*********** Jim Devenport WB5AOX **************
*      PO Box 445, McIntosh NM 87032          *
*        http://nis-www.lanl.gov/~jdport/     *
***********************************************




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From: [e-mail] (Marv Uphaus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Baycom and a 16550 uart ????
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On 22 Nov 95 20:14:20 GMT [e-mail] (Michael C. McHugh (TA2ZG/W2AV)) wrote:

>So, how about it?  Is anyone using Baycom or AX25 on other than an 8250
>UART?  Any problems or special parameter settings?  Which type of modem?
>I think that any factual contribution could be of use.

I have my BAYCOM working on a 486 DX2/50 that has a VLB ide controller card
with two 16550 emulations on it...  I say emulations, but I have NO idea
what is happening inside the two (total) chips on that card...  TINY
card...!!!  All the test programs report two 16550 UARTS...  Works great
but I haven't tried it in Windows...

What I do have running in Windows is an old DRSI card...  I load the DRSI
driver at boot up time and run the THS terminal program in a DOS window
under Win 3.1...  Works great...!!!

--
Marv...

-----------------------------------------------------------
Even when the experts all agree, they may well be mistaken.
                                  --Bertrand Russell


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From: [e-mail] (Wim Bovendeert ( PAoWCA ))
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Subject: Re: Baycom and a 16550 uart ????
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Can you give more details... if possible, becuase this is intresting..
and what do you mean by old drsi card and windows ???
what is the type of vlb card in your pc ??


[e-mail] (Marv Uphaus) wrote:

>I have my BAYCOM working on a 486 DX2/50 that has a VLB ide controller card
>with two 16550 emulations on it...  I say emulations, but I have NO idea
>what is happening inside the two (total) chips on that card...  TINY
>card...!!!  All the test programs report two 16550 UARTS...  Works great
>but I haven't tried it in Windows...

>What I do have running in Windows is an old DRSI card...  I load the DRSI
>driver at boot up time and run the THS terminal program in a DOS window
>under Win 3.1...  Works great...!!!

>--
>Marv...

>-----------------------------------------------------------
>Even when the experts all agree, they may well be mistaken.
>                                  --Bertrand Russell

Wim Bovendeert ( PAoWCA )
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Greg Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Baycom Type Modems - Power?
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As someone just starting to look at packet....is there a way to
tell ahead of time if portable Baycom type modems will
take power from the computer or if a separate supply is required.

Is it safe to assume if the computer won't power a standard pocket
modem it won't power a Baycom-type modem

BTW I'm using Baycom-type modem as a generic term for any of the
small, portable (cheap) modems which may or may not be correct usage.

tnx...Greg, KD4HZ



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:44:33 1995
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Subject: Calling MIR
From: [e-mail] (Fathi Aljishi)
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Subject: Calling MIR

Hello all,
An arabian man from Qatar, has made speaking with MIR.
Does any one else?
---
 ■ QMPro 1.53 ■ Please save the above drivel for future reference!



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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
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Dennis A. Mason (damason) wrote:
: Burt must be a Chicken Bander.

Please, we don't appreciate fowl language here.


---
Rich Mulvey, aa2ys                                        Rochester, NY   USA
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
aa2ys@wb2psi.#wny.ny.us


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From: [e-mail] (Ron Long)
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Subject: Re: Frequency Calibration BEST ACCURACY
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Gary Coffman) wrote:


>
> All the old schemes to use TV signals for precision references are
> now obsolete, because the TV signal is no longer a precision reference.
> This has made life a lot simpler for broadcast engineers, but unfortunately
> sends those of you looking for precision frequency standards back to
> WWVB.

   Gary,

Thanks for another very informative posting. What do you think of using
GPS satellites to derive a frequency standard? Tom Clark, W3IWI, has
suggested that the time signal from a GPS receiver could be used to steer
a local xtal oscillator. I guess you could use a microcontroller board
with a D/A output and use that voltage to adjust the oscillator. But
various things get in the way. I am sure you have to worry about long term
effects. You can't just be bumping the oscillator frequency around every
minute or so. Any thoughts?

Ron Long w8gus.


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Frequency Calibration BEST ACCURACY
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ron Long) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>(Gary Coffman) wrote:
>> All the old schemes to use TV signals for precision references are
>> now obsolete, because the TV signal is no longer a precision reference.
>> This has made life a lot simpler for broadcast engineers, but unfortunately
>> sends those of you looking for precision frequency standards back to
>> WWVB.
>
>Thanks for another very informative posting. What do you think of using
>GPS satellites to derive a frequency standard? Tom Clark, W3IWI, has
>suggested that the time signal from a GPS receiver could be used to steer
>a local xtal oscillator. I guess you could use a microcontroller board
>with a D/A output and use that voltage to adjust the oscillator. But
>various things get in the way. I am sure you have to worry about long term
>effects. You can't just be bumping the oscillator frequency around every
>minute or so. Any thoughts?

Actually, this is a good way to get long term stability from a crystal
oscillator. A way to do it is to use a phase comparator, a long
up down counter with a parallel output to accumulate the corrections,
and a R-2R ladder feeding an opamp from the parallel outputs to set
the oscillator correction varactor voltage. You can string as many
up down counters as you like together to get the required step fineness.

This doesn't deal with the *short* term variations such an oscillator
suffers. Since you're only offering a correction once every second,
the oscillator is still free to jitter on a shorter timescale.

A slightly more indirect method, which eliminates the phase noise
introduced by the varactor, is to use the output of the up down
counter to drive a proportional crystal oven heater. By suitable
variation of crystal temperature, modest frequency corrections
can be introduced.

This still won't give a good phase lock because of the very low
pass nature of the correction system. To get good hard phaselock,
you need a continous reference signal and a continous feedback
system with sufficient gain-bandwidth to stablize the expected
jitter.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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From: Tom Clark <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Frequency Calibration BEST ACCURACY
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I see my name being taken in vain! Maybe I should make a comment on this thread.
I agree with Gary's comments that the TV stations are no longer a good frequency
reference since the need for precise timing of NTSC (Never Twice Same Color) sync
signals has been obviated by advances in the signal processing.

If ALL stations needing sync are in a local area, ANY broadcast station could
serve as a relative frequency standard (AM, FM, TV or whatever). Just lock to
the same carrier and the deed is done.

If you are not in the same area, the best way is to use some signal you can
all see (like a geostationary satellite) but this means a fairly major hardware
investment -- the NOAA GOES satellites can and are used in this way, but you
need to make an L-band downlink at each users's QTH. Not simple, not cheap.

Any more, by far the best way is to use GPS. The L-band hardware has become a
commodity item and the signals are strong. The satellite downlink antenna can
be made for < $1.00.

The GPS satellites all have Cesium clocks onboard. It is possible for you to
get Cesium quality standards in your shack. The best way to do this is to
realize that each GPS satellite sends a time code. Unlike WWV, the spread-spectrum
equivalent of the time ticks come at a rate of one code cycle per msec. The
code is length 1023, so the equivalent pulse rate is ~1/usec. It is possible
to get timing to about 1/10 to 1/20th of a bit, so your hand-held GPS receiver
has in it a clock that is sync's at the ~100 usec level. It has to, or you
wouldn't be able to get positions at the ~30 meters level (30 meters = 100 light
nanoseconds).

Unfortunately the average small handheld GPS receiver doesn't have a convenient time
output spigot, but some of the board-level OEM receivers do. My "Totally Accurate
Clock" project has been using one such receiver, the Motorola ONCORE (when equipped
with the timing "Option A"). Let me first comment on the "TAC" name -- some years
ago Heathkit had a WWV-based desktop clock they called the "Most Accurate Clock"
and today (see you airline seatpocket magazine) Hammecker-Schlemmer sells the
German Junghans clock which uses WWVB (60 kHz in North America) or DCF77 (77 kHz
in Europe) under the "Most Accurate Clock" name. My "TAC" is 4 orders of magnitude
(yes, 40 db!) better than "Most", so the "Totally" name seemed appropriate {and
"TAC" are my initials ;-) }.

Ahh -- but some of you will say "the Military, in all their esteemed wisdom, diddles
the signals destroying the clock performance". Not quite -- we've spent a lot of
time & effort characterising the "Selective Availability" diddling and its effects
can be minimized. In particular, the SA clock diddles are not coherent between
the different GPS satellites. If you can average over several satellites, then
the effects are reduced as sqrt(N).

The other "trick" to get good clock performance from GPS is to not have your GPS
receiver trying to determine positions. Take a day, observe the position, and then
lock the receiver so that all the satellites are used to obtain timing info.
{Normally, to get a 3-D Lat/Lon/Hgt position, the receiver requires at least 4
satellites, since it also has to have data to synchronize its internal clock.}

This is where the off-the-shelf Motorola receiver comes into its own. Motorola did
all the right things to do good timing. You can constrain the position and if you
do all the satellites that the 6- or 8-channel receiver sees can be applied to
sqrt(N) reduction of the timing inaccuracies.

Invoking these ideas, the "TAC" (using the older 6-channel ONCORE) routinely gives
30-50 nsec RMS timing precision. I am able to measure this because the "TAC"s are
in use at stations with very stable Hydrogen Maser frequency standards. The average
Joe Ham would have a hard time making this statement since an H-Maser is typically
a $250,000 to $400,000 rack-sized widget. I've also been able to test the ACCURACY
of the time the "TAC" produces and get a daily average at the 20 nsec or better
level with respect to the US Naval Observatory's Master Clock. If you want to see
some of the details of the "TAC", feel free to browse this URL:

    ftp://aleph.gsfc.nasa.gov/GPS/totally.accurate.clock/

OK, so now we have good time. The original thread asked for good FREQUENCY control.
My scheme is to start with a high quality crystal oscillator at a convenient
frequency (like 10 MHz) and divide its output down to 1/sec. This "tick" is
compared with the GPS-derived 1PPS "tick" with a time-interval counter. Average
the time interval for about an hour and compare it with the value from the
previous hour. If it has drifted, apply a small analog tuning voltage correction
to the Xtal, nudging it slightly. Continue the process until the timing drift
goes away. If you achieve 1 usec drift over ~3 hours (10,000 seconds), then your
crystal is on frequency at a level of 1 part in 10e10. If the drift is at the
1 usec level for a day (~10e5 seconds), then the stability is 1 in 10e11. This
figures are comparable with a Rubidium standard and the parts cost is < $1000.

I have thought about making a "TAC-II" which would augment the current "TAC" with
a ~$50 xtal oscillator, dividers/counters, a small microprocessor and a high
resolution D/A converter. I would appreciate feedback on the usefulness of such
a widget in the amateur world if the cost was (ouch -- hams are cheap!) ~$1000.
Please give me feedback on the utility of such as project. It would probably be
distributed as a kit thru AMSAT/TAPR channels (like the DSP95 box).

73 de Tom, W3IWI




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Joe Burnham ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I've been looking for several days for a FTP site for the latest version
: of the 'CBBS' packet BBS program...written by K3RLI.  If you know wher I
: can download the latest version, please email me.

: 73... Joe WD4KAV

Ed's internet address is: epix.net!epicchet




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From: [e-mail] (Al Gerheim)
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Subject: Re: I wanna try packet - what should I buy?
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Rob Janssen ([e-mail]) wrote:
> In <48ign2$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Al Gerheim) writes:

> >I'd like to add that if you work DX, then Packet might be worth
> >it for the DX Clusters.  I wouldn't work DX without the Cluster!

> DXing using a DX Cluster is like fishing with the assistence of an
> underwater camera.

Precisely!


--
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Al Gerheim, N4QN      |Opinions expressed here | Sonalysts Inc. POB 280
[e-mail] |    are my own.         | 215 Parkway North
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From: [e-mail] (N2MCS)
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Subject: Interesting idea . . .
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     "Six meter packet, hmm . . . I don't know about that."
     That's what most people would say when you mention that.  Then again,
a lot of
people squirm at the mention of six.  Well, here's my idea.  In the
December CQ magazine, (page 58) there is a design for a _one-chip_ (not a
typo) FM transmitter for
six meters.  (You can thank the popularity of cordless phones for that!)
It uses a
Motorola MC2833 IC called the Low Power FM Transmitter System.
     In the diagram, the transmitter is set up as a voice FM transmitter.
What would stop you from attaching a 9600 baud FSK modem?
     The article also mentions a FM receiver printed several months ago,
which I have not yet seen.
     Any and all feed back appreciated.

Christopher Pilkington, N2MCS
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Interesting idea . . .
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In article <491m6t$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (N2MCS) writes:
>     "Six meter packet, hmm . . . I don't know about that."
>     That's what most people would say when you mention that.  Then again,
>a lot of
>people squirm at the mention of six.  Well, here's my idea.  In the
>December CQ magazine, (page 58) there is a design for a _one-chip_ (not a
>typo) FM transmitter for
>six meters.  (You can thank the popularity of cordless phones for that!)
>It uses a
>Motorola MC2833 IC called the Low Power FM Transmitter System.
>     In the diagram, the transmitter is set up as a voice FM transmitter.
>What would stop you from attaching a 9600 baud FSK modem?

Not a blessed thing. The MC2833 is a nice little FM transmitter subsystem.
I've used it in several small projects. I haven't seen the CQ article,
so I can't say if their circuit will work at 9600, but the chip certainly
will (at at higher baud too). Call Motorola for the app note.

Now realize it's only capable of 10mW, so an amplifier stage should
follow it, and a filter to keep the emissions legal.

>     The article also mentions a FM receiver printed several months ago,
>which I have not yet seen.
>     Any and all feed back appreciated.

Again, haven't seen their article, but I've used the MC13135 single chip
receiver for several small projects. It'll work just dandy as a 9600
baud receiver (and higher rates too). Again, call Moto for an app note.
Sensitivity is 0.7 uV for 12 db SINAD, so a stage of preamp might be
useful in some cases. The chip also has a very nice RSSI output with a
65 db dynmamic range. That has a number of uses, including driving the
Y axis of a scope in a homebrew spectrum analyzer (X axis can be the
VCO tuning voltage), or for use in a handheld fox hunting receiver.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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From: [e-mail] (KBain)
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Subject: Re: Internet Gateway
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Take a look under this url:

http://www.tapr.org

There is a Texas Home page, and on that there are several cities with
gateways.  I access the Mount Pleasant gateway on 2m and then telnet thru
the internet to other servers, but with clearance, you can go out on 440
or 2m via the internet connection to local tnc's, or access other servers
thru this gateway just like we do on 2m.

Hope this helps!

Kenny, KB5VME


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[e-mail] (Robin) wrote:
>
> ______________________________________________________________
>
> I'm new to the subject, but I just wondered whether anyone has invented a amateur radio gateway onto the WWW.
>
> Can anyone enlighten me?
>
> Robin


  Why not just duplicate it on AR ? (links could be added later.)

  Of coure high speed radio gear would be required.
  Does anybody know who sells either kits or black box gear to
  to the job ?  Faster than 19.2K.

  Radios, TNC's or Modems

 trash




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From: [e-mail] (Wim Bovendeert ( PAoWCA ))
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Subject: Re: Is there a way to use TCP/IP on baycom?
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[e-mail] () wrote:

>The only thing that has kept me from building a baycom modem is that I
>can't do TCP/IP, but a few weeks ago I was talking to someone who said
>that it was possible to use TCP/IP with special ssoftware. Does this
>software exist (or was I lied to?) and (if it does exist) where can I get it?

>--
>73 & ttyl     Morgan Patterson
>       \\///  Internet: [e-mail]
>       (o o)  Ham Radio: VE6MRP
>        (_)   "Your Computer will self destruct in..5..4..3..2..1..KABOOM!!!"
>----oOO-----OOo---------------------------------------------------------------


Yes it is possible, you have to use ax25.com and for example jnos.
look for it on ham bbs
Wim Bovendeert ( PAoWCA )
[e-mail]



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From: Bob <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Is there a way to use TCP/IP on baycom?
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YES!! It does work.
 Over the thanksgiving holiday I worked on it and got it running
it is not that tuff. Im going to make an auto setup program so
all you will need is your ip address and the area server you will
be using. I can only send it by mail so it will need to be
decoded.

Bob WA2IHJ
44.64.12.24
wa2ihj.ampr.org



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From: [e-mail] (Michael Wuensche)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: JNOS,  Baycom modem, AX25 driver:  Anyone get it to work?
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[e-mail] (Don Russ) wrote:

>I'm trying to get JNOS ver 1.10L working with a BAYCOM modem on a ZENITH
>286 portable.  I tried the AX25.COM TSR program and it transmits and beeps
>that it has a valid frame but JNOS dosn't display the frame.  So close yet
>so far. Also won't work on a Pentium and 486DX100. Baycom works 100%.
>
>Has anyone gotten a BAYCOM modem solution going with JNOS?  And no, I'm

The driver should be dated January 1993

Michael
-
[e-mail], [e-mail]
dl8fbh.ampr.org [44.130.24.127], dl8fbh@db0lj.#rpl.deu.eu



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From: [e-mail] (JDY18)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KAGold..Is it still a
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Hi - I have a question about KaGold. I'm using a KamPlus with HostMaster.
I was seriously thinking about KaGold and downloaded the demo. I was VERY
disappointed to find that I could not monitor the PacketCluster and HF
modes on the same screen, as I can do with HostMaster. What's the point of
having a dual-mode TNC if you can't see/use both modes at the same time? I
wonder what you think of this?

Jay,
KD2L


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From: [e-mail] (Stan Huntting)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Kam,ic751a and tor
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In article <497bgr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...

>I have a kam v7 and a icom 751.I am have some worries with TOR standby
>can anyone let me have some idea of the correct setup

Tor Standby was first introduced in Kam version 7.1. It's not available in Kam
7.0.
--
Stan Huntting,    KF0IA
Postal Address:   4655 Pleasant Ridge Rd.,
                  Boulder, CO 80301-1731, USA
email:            [e-mail]
KaWin Home Page:  http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/
KaWin FTP Site:   ftp.csn.net in the directory /kawin



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email if you want a list of stuff



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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Mac/Ham Radio WWW Site
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Announcing New WWW Site for Macintosh Ham Radio Enthusiasts


http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v


Mac Ham Software including:

Macnet Roster:
a database of all hams in the world using Mac computers

WD1V's Ham Radio Test Simulators:
the fast path for upgrading your ham license with a Mac

Plus more Macnet information - come see!

73,

            John D. Seney |_|_|_|_| [e-mail]
       144 Pepperidge Dr. |_|   |_| WWW Macnet http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v
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HELLO FELLOW AMATEURS,

     I WAS WONDERING IF ANONE KNOWS A WAY TO PUT A MUD (MULTI USER
DIMENSIONS) ON PACKET. CAN IT BE DONE? AND WHAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT IS
REQUIRED THANKS FOR ANY INPUT YOU CAN GIVE.

          TODD DAUGHERTY N9OGL
          [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Pawel Jalocha)
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Subject: Re: Packet radio modem with DSP ?
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>Look at http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/dsp93.html

But don't disregard these:

- PSA soundcard: ftp.tapr.org/tapr/sig/hfsig/upload/psa*
                                                    tor*
- DSPCARD4:      jeeves.hut.fi/alefnull/*
- DSP56002EVM:   ftp.tapr.org/tapr/sig/hfsig/upload/evm*

Pawel, SP9VRC.


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:44:54 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!misc.twics.com!tanuki!naky
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Phone Patch Help
Date: 25 Nov 95 13:04:00 JST
Organization: TWICS [Tokyo Public Internet Access]
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Need info on equipment needed to setup a phone pacth with the following equipment:

Yaesu FT-2500 used as base with Ringo II 2m antenna.
Yaesu FT-11R HT used as mobile.

I want to setup the above radios with phone patch to allow me to make and receive phone calls from the yaesu ft-11r ht.  I do not know anything much about
Thank you very much
73


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:44:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (George Mihai Candea)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,alt.radio.uk,aus.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Pioneer KE-A530 question
Date: 23 Nov 1995 21:31:27 GMT
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
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I apologize if I am posting this to the wrong newsgroup but I am in desperate
need of advice. I have a Pioneer KE-A530 car radio + cassette that my friend
removed from his car a while ago. I am not sure which wires go where because I
don't have the manual anymore and there is no indication on the radio as to
what each wire is. I would appreciate if any of you could tell how to make the
connections (i.e. which is PWR, GND, speakers, etc.).

The wires are in three "bunches":

        Bunch 1:        blue
                        black

        Bunch 2:        green/black (2 wires)
                        gray/black (2 wires)

        Bunch 3:        black (this is definitely a GND -- connected to case)
                        red (has a 0.5 Amp fuse on it and a little box)
                        yellow
                        orange (this must be PWR -- it has a 0.5 Amp fuse)


I really appreciate your help. I reply to my personal e-mail address, as
I do not read this newsgroup regularly.

Thank you,



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From: [e-mail] (George Mihai Candea)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,alt.radio.uk,aus.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Pioneer KE-A530 question
Date: 23 Nov 1995 21:37:17 GMT
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Sorry for the last paragraph... I meant I would appreciate if you
replied to my personal e-mail address, as I do not read this newsgroup
regularly.

Thanks a lot,



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:44:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J.Fitter   BV/N0IAT)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,alt.radio.uk,aus.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Pioneer KE-A530 question
Date: 24 Nov 1995 06:21:54 GMT
Organization: Taipei, TAIWAN R.O.C
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In article <492p7f$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I apologize if I am posting this to the wrong newsgroup but I am in desperate
>need of advice. I have a Pioneer KE-A530 car radio + cassette that my friend
>removed from his car a while ago. I am not sure which wires go where because I
>don't have the manual anymore and there is no indication on the radio as to
>what each wire is. I would appreciate if any of you could tell how to make the
>connections (i.e. which is PWR, GND, speakers, etc.).
>
>The wires are in three "bunches":
>
>        Bunch 1:        blue
>                        black
>
>        Bunch 2:        green/black (2 wires)
>                        gray/black (2 wires)
>
>        Bunch 3:        black (this is definitely a GND -- connected to case)
>                        red (has a 0.5 Amp fuse on it and a little box)
>                        yellow
>                        orange (this must be PWR -- it has a 0.5 Amp fuse)
>
>
>I really appreciate your help. I reply to my personal e-mail address, as
>I do not read this newsgroup regularly.
>
>Thank you,
>

I'll try, but dont blame me if it blows up!!!.  Ok...start with bunch 3.  The black
wire goes to battery negative terminal, or chassis ground.  The red wire with fuse
holder and box (noise filter, likely) goes to ignition ACC ON. T The yellow wire is
used if you want to send a signal to an auto amplifier (external power amp,
subwoofer, etc) or a power up/down automatic retractable antenna.  The orange wire
might be to control a clock if the radio has a clock built in. Orange wire would then
go to the battery and the red wire would go to the acc side of the ignition switch.
Then, when you turn the car -on-, the radio works.  Otherwise, when the car is off,
the only power received by the stereo is on the orange wire and the only operating
function is the clock.  Only when the car is -on- does the radio/tape actually work.

bunch 1 :  blue/black...bunch 1.  not sure, possibly line in for an equalizer.

Bunch 2:  most likely, this is left channel positive and negative (to speaker left)
          most likely, this is right channel positive and negative (speaker right)


Without trying it, it's hard to say.   Does the radio have a "fader" for
front-and-back speakers, or is it only a 2 channel output (left and right but no
front and back)???

Keep your posts here...someone can probably help ya.

--
73 from Joe BV2/N0IAT  Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C.
Ex. 7J1AOF(Japan) KA0ZDH(novice) YU3/N0IAT(Slovenia)
Licensed Radio Amateur since 1986 //comments are mine only



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:44:59 1995
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From: David Atkins <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,alt.radio.uk,aus.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Pioneer KE-A530 question
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:33:19 +0000
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In article <492p7f$[e-mail]>, George Mihai Candea
<[e-mail]> writes
>I apologize if I am posting this to the wrong newsgroup but I am in desperate
>need of advice. I have a Pioneer KE-A530 car radio + cassette that my friend
>removed from his car a while ago. I am not sure which wires go where because I
>don't have the manual anymore and there is no indication on the radio as to
>what each wire is. I would appreciate if any of you could tell how to make the
>connections (i.e. which is PWR, GND, speakers, etc.).
>
yeah, some bugger nicked the one from my car, too!

--

David Atkins                                    |Office Space is a vital part
Ergonomist                                      |of your Business Strategy


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Grattan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: PK900 & JNOS
Date: 23 Nov 1995 10:51:12 -0500
Organization: Mary Washington College
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I'm having trouble getting jnos to transmit using the PK900.  The jnos,
the 2m DR150T, and the PK900 all function well with other radios, tncs,
etc... but the PK900/jnos combination just won't transmit (receives
fine).  When in KISS mode (I use KISS ON) the PK900 seems to only use
Radio #2.

I was running a DSP2232 with the jnos and it worked fine but here must
be something different about the config for the PK900.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Bob Grattan - N4MRV
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:01 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.wwa.com!news
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Read Ute Hunter
Date: 23 Nov 1995 05:34:25 GMT
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Want the latest utility station-related news
that will give you insight into what you are
hearing over the radio and satellite spectrum?
Want to see lots of loggings from fellow ute
monitors from around the world? Tired of
reading similar loggings in national magazines
that are up to six months old before they
appear in print? Then you should subscribe to
Ute Hunter.

Ute Hunter is a monthly publication that began
in November 1994. It is edited and published
by a former columnist for a national magazine
read by ute monitors such as you. Whether you
have a liking for news about the military,
aviation, satellites, space programs, marine
radio stations, ships, numbers stations,
digital data (such as RTTY) stations, Morse Code
transmissions, diplomatic stations, radio beacons,
etc., exclusive of amateur radio, you'll always
find something of interest to you.

Ute Hunter devotes more pages monthly to utility
station news and loggings than do Monitoring Times,
Popular Communications, and Shortwave Magazine
COMBINED. And like those magazines, you're welcome
to contribute your own news, views and loggings that
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[e-mail]



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Remco van Essen, Rea)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Running programs in JNOS110L?
Date: 23 Nov 95 19:05:48 GMT
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Hello,

Is it possible to run 'external' programs in JNOS110l?
I like to program in PASCAL and I already wrote some PG-Servers for FBB.
But now I want to do the same for JNOS110l. Is it possible?

I don't want to modify the source of JNOS, since I don't have it, and I'm not a
programmer in C.

Any reply's to this list or to my e-mail-address will be apreciated.

Thanks,

Remco van Essen, the Netherlands




From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael A. Sterba)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Running programs in JNOS110L?
Date: 23 Nov 1995 15:13:44 GMT
Organization: OES Skagit County
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Hello Remco,

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>Is it possible to run 'external' programs in JNOS110l?
>I like to program in PASCAL and I already wrote some PG-Servers for FBB.
>But now I want to do the same for JNOS110l. Is it possible?

JNOS Version 1.10L does have both a Multitask and Shell option if it is compiled in
the version you have. The problem would be that you can run only a very small
program when shelled out into a DOS enviroment.
The sourse code is widely available for download from many ftp sites. If you have a
friend that is good at 'C' then this could be an option for you.
I use ftp.ucsd.edu to get mine and compile after modifying it.

--
                "Handcrafted From The Finest ASCII"
73's de KG7HQ



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (danny zak)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: SB 16 ASP + SOFT ::> PACKET ?
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 08:45:24 GMT
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Hello

I got (maybe a silly question) can I use my SB 16 ASP for doing packet
radio ??

how ? and where ?

see ya




From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:05 1995
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From: Dave Riesz <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Silly WWW accomplishment
Date: 20 Nov 1995 21:59:33 GMT
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Just in case anyone cares, I've set up a WWW site that allows you to see
what Fairbanks, AK packet stations have been heard at that site on 145.01
MHz.  It's a simple CGI script that echoes the Linux ax25 utility "mheard".
The location is:

http://nerland126a.uafdorms.alaska.edu/cgi-bin/mhfbks

It works depending on whether I've turned my computer on yet.

Regards de Dave Riesz
[e-mail]



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:05 1995
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From: Steve Sampson <ssampson>
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Subject: Re: Societies Unwashed: The sin and the apology
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I used to be shocked when my private electronic mail was
published.  About as shocked as my love letters being printed
in a book.  I find there are no morals in America, and no
self discipline.  Only a scum would resort to publishing a
private letter.  I used to put a little line in my signature
that said PRIVATE, but then the scum just erased that part.

I'm glad you identified the scum who published your private
mail.  Said scum should be banished from the net.  Write his
postmaster.



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ronald E. Curry)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Some know 9600 baud solutions
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 07:15:06 GMT
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jkbe@zeus (John_Bednar) wrote:


>Thanks for the info. You might have a typo above. 10ms for actual TXD
>seems about 30-50ms too low.


>John, WB3ESS

I'd be interested to know why you think that. I had it running at 10ms
quite reliably but seemed to drop a few packets occassionally. Now it
is set to 20 ms and works super on a point to point link with a
similar configuration.

Ron KE6WED
Ron Curry
KE6WED
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:07 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Speed
From: [e-mail] (Fathi Aljishi)
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Distribution: world
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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 95 02:14:00 +0300
Organization: * Sahara BBS * Dammam,Saudi Arabia +(966)-3-833-2082 *
Lines: 22

Subject: Speed

This message was originally addressed to [e-mail]
and a carbon copy was sent to you.
                    ----------------------------------------
Hi,
   Burt Fisher
As I see you   Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics.
Do you see the film called (Speed), can any one make like that man, put
cameras in cars, and streets, then can spy and see and listen to
everything. And why the man can see by the camera, but can't hear, but
now the people using HAM, can hear but not using the camera to see. Did
any body use cameras like in speed film?

Regards,
Fathi Aljishi - P.O. Box 626, Dammam 31421, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Vega Star BBS 966-3-8540810  Internet: [e-mail]

cc: ALL
---
 ■ QMPro 1.53 ■ Praise Be To Allah,the Cherisher and SustainerOfTheWorld



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Howard Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: TAPR-2 Mods ???
Date: 24 Nov 1995 21:33:13 GMT
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On 18 Nov 1995 21:08:50 EDT, Hugh Duff <[e-mail]> wrote:
 :
 :
 : I recently aquired a couple of dead TAPR-2 TNC boards that I have been
 : able to bring to life.
 : Wondering if someone has a list of mods for these units.
 :

Jumper around the MF-10 and its programming pack.  That's about it.

--
Howard Goldstein        <[e-mail]>      http://www.tapr.org/~n2wx/



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: TAPR-2 Mods ???
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Organization: PE1CHL
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 21:05:04 GMT
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In <495dmq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Howard Goldstein) writes:

>On 18 Nov 1995 21:08:50 EDT, Hugh Duff <[e-mail]> wrote:
> :
> :
> : I recently aquired a couple of dead TAPR-2 TNC boards that I have been
> : able to bring to life.
> : Wondering if someone has a list of mods for these units.
> :

>Jumper around the MF-10 and its programming pack.  That's about it.

Replace the LM324 used on the RS232 interface with TL-084 for faster
transitions and thus fewer errors on 9600 bps.

Rob
--
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Rob Janssen         [e-mail] | BBS: [phone] (2300-0730 local) |
| AMPRnet:       [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:10 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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luispb@equinox (Luis Barthel-Rosa) wrote:

>: From: Jason Yanowitz <[e-mail]>
>: Thank you for your note about Burt Fisher and our system,
>: meol.mass.edu.  We are aware of his incredibly net-unfriendly
>: activities.  Unfortunately, there is very little we can do, because
>: his untoward behavior is not originating from our system.  He has our
>: address in his signature, but he is very careful to use ccsnet.com for
>: all his abusive postings.  Were he doing it from our system, we could
>: and would take swift action.
>:
>: If you see any abusive messages originating from meol.mass.edu, please
>: send us a copy (including the header), so we can act on it.
>: We realize how annoying Burt Fisher's posts are, and if there was
>: something we could do, we would.  Please let others know about this,
>: so they can direct their anger at the correct source
>: ([e-mail]).  If you sent us this message as a result of a
>: plea to do so in a newsgroup, could you let us know the newsgroup, so
>: we can post a public explanation of Burt Fisher's relationship to our
>: system, as well as a request to learn about _any_ abuse, by _any_
>: user, coming from our system.
>: Thank you,
>: Jason Yanowitz
>: (a MEOL system administrator)



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From: Jason Yanowitz <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Apology...


I have been asked to apologize to you for the message I sent out the
other day containing my personal opinions.  In my role as MCET system
administrator I should have confined my statements to the factual
details and only responded to the extent functionally required without
editorializing.  Compounding the problem is the fact that the person
to whom I sent my supposedly private message posted it for others to
see without either my knowledge or permission. Therefore, I am hereby
apologizing to you and sending this message you as well sending the
attached retraction to the person to whom I sent my original message.

-- Jason

Attached message:

I recently replied to a complaint you made about [e-mail]
(Burt Fisher).  My response should have simply consisted of notifying
you that we are not in any way related to ccsnet.com, and cannot act
on any activities not originating from or involving our system, MEOL
(meol.mass.edu).  Any other comments I made were inappropriate in my
role as system adminstrator, and I hereby retract them.  I have
formally apologized to Burt Fisher.  Please do not post or disseminate
the message I originally sent you (the one which I am retracting).



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:12 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: The sin and the apology
Date: 22 Nov 1995 22:40:09 GMT
Lines: 65
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luispb@equinox (Luis Barthel-Rosa) wrote:

>: From: Jason Yanowitz <[e-mail]>
>: Thank you for your note about Burt Fisher and our system,
>: meol.mass.edu.  We are aware of his incredibly net-unfriendly
>: activities.  Unfortunately, there is very little we can do, because
>: his untoward behavior is not originating from our system.  He has our
>: address in his signature, but he is very careful to use ccsnet.com for
>: all his abusive postings.  Were he doing it from our system, we could
>: and would take swift action.
>:
>: If you see any abusive messages originating from meol.mass.edu, please
>: send us a copy (including the header), so we can act on it.
>: We realize how annoying Burt Fisher's posts are, and if there was
>: something we could do, we would.  Please let others know about this,
>: so they can direct their anger at the correct source
>: ([e-mail]).  If you sent us this message as a result of a
>: plea to do so in a newsgroup, could you let us know the newsgroup, so
>: we can post a public explanation of Burt Fisher's relationship to our
>: system, as well as a request to learn about _any_ abuse, by _any_
>: user, coming from our system.
>: Thank you,
>: Jason Yanowitz
>: (a MEOL system administrator)



---------------------------------281212541710874
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From: Jason Yanowitz <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Apology...


I have been asked to apologize to you for the message I sent out the
other day containing my personal opinions.  In my role as MCET system
administrator I should have confined my statements to the factual
details and only responded to the extent functionally required without
editorializing.  Compounding the problem is the fact that the person
to whom I sent my supposedly private message posted it for others to
see without either my knowledge or permission. Therefore, I am hereby
apologizing to you and sending this message you as well sending the
attached retraction to the person to whom I sent my original message.

-- Jason

Attached message:

I recently replied to a complaint you made about [e-mail]
(Burt Fisher).  My response should have simply consisted of notifying
you that we are not in any way related to ccsnet.com, and cannot act
on any activities not originating from or involving our system, MEOL
(meol.mass.edu).  Any other comments I made were inappropriate in my
role as system adminstrator, and I hereby retract them.  I have
formally apologized to Burt Fisher.  Please do not post or disseminate
the message I originally sent you (the one which I am retracting).



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:13 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!sparky.insinc.net!dragon.solect.com!usenet
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Timewave DSP 59+
Date: 22 Nov 1995 18:19:46 GMT
Organization: Cable & Wireless (W.I.) Ltd.
Lines: 14
Message-ID: <48vpk2$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: pc2.candw.ag
X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.)

Hi All,

I just bought the TIMEWAVE DSP 59+. I would appreciate any comments/tips/tricks
on using this. So far it looks pretty simple to operate but the manual is a bit scant and
does not go to much in depth. It is a marvelous device especially on 160-80-40 in killing
the static crashes. Maybe someone has cooked up a table for optimum settings on:
SSB, CW, AMTOR, Packet etc...

Very 73

de V21BF

Alan



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:14 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!globe.indirect.com!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Gary L. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Timewave DSP 59+
Date: 24 Nov 1995 06:03:14 GMT
Organization: XP Software Products
Lines: 14
Message-ID: <493n75$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: s62.phxslip4.indirect.com
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.3

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard Harrison) says:
>
>Alan:
>
>     Hope the DSP has more utility than just removing static crashes !!
>Considering one for TOR/Packet modes.  Really be interested in your
>evaluation. Already one negative from your post: poor/scant manuals.
>
>

        I use a DSP-9+ with the KAM, PK900, PK232 and others and it really makes a
difference for the digital modes.

73 Gary KF7XP


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:15 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.nevada.edu!silver.scs.unr.edu!news.unr.edu!equinox!luispb
From: luispb@equinox (Luis Barthel-Rosa)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Subject: Tired of the "sexy ham" thread?! (wrong groups!)
Date: 22 Nov 1995 17:37:46 GMT
Organization: UNR
Lines: 39
Message-ID: <48vn5a$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: equinox.unr.edu
Summary: Tired of reading crap
Keywords: wrong newsgroups
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
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Are you (like the rest of us) tired of reading the "What some think
about sexy hams" or the "Idiot ham trade" in the WRONG F*#@&ng newsgroups!!!
Then you'll be interested in this letter from Jason Yanowitz from Umass.
He is a sys-administrator and is trying to thwart there postings.

The main culprit to this thread is Burt Fisher, he can be reached at
<[e-mail]>.  Complaints should be forwarded to
[e-mail].  I urge you to read the enclosed letter, it's rather
interesting.  Mr. Yanowitz would also like to know what newsgroups are being
"spammed" so, you can write to him as well.

Together, we can make this a more pleasant place!!

Luis B.R.

message enclosed:

: From: Jason Yanowitz <[e-mail]>
: Thank you for your note about Burt Fisher and our system,
: meol.mass.edu.  We are aware of his incredibly net-unfriendly
: activities.  Unfortunately, there is very little we can do, because
: his untoward behavior is not originating from our system.  He has our
: address in his signature, but he is very careful to use ccsnet.com for
: all his abusive postings.  Were he doing it from our system, we could
: and would take swift action.
:
: If you see any abusive messages originating from meol.mass.edu, please
: send us a copy (including the header), so we can act on it.
: We realize how annoying Burt Fisher's posts are, and if there was
: something we could do, we would.  Please let others know about this,
: so they can direct their anger at the correct source
: ([e-mail]).  If you sent us this message as a result of a
: plea to do so in a newsgroup, could you let us know the newsgroup, so
: we can post a public explanation of Burt Fisher's relationship to our
: system, as well as a request to learn about _any_ abuse, by _any_
: user, coming from our system.
: Thank you,
: Jason Yanowitz
: (a MEOL system administrator)


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:16 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!globe.indirect.com!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Gary L. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: TNC reports that station is busy - but it's not!
Date: 21 Nov 1995 14:27:57 GMT
Organization: XP Software Products
Lines: 28
Message-ID: <48snld$[e-mail]>
References: <48o3da$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: s10.phxslip4.indirect.com
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.3

In article <48o3da$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Pheezer) says:
>
>Does anyone know thae cause of a TNC reporting that it is busy when it is not?
>
>A station will call my TNC.  It calls me, not my PBBS.  The station is provided
>a reply that my station is busy.
>
>My TNC is a Kantronics KAMPlus.
>


        Check the following...

        1.  If you are not at the station,  set CMSG to PBBS.  This forces all
            new connects to your mailbox.

        2.  Check you MYPBBS setting.  Normally this is MYCALL-1.

        3.  Make sure that your USERS parameter is set to 1 or greater on the port in
            question.  If USERS is set to 0 no stations will be able to connect to
            your TNC.


        Hope this helps.

73 Gary KF7XP




From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:17 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!fonorola!news.synapse.net!news-admin
From: Brian Gilhuly VE3BGB <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: TS-50S RCP Software
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 22:56:26 -0500
Organization: Synapse Internet [www.synapse.net]
Lines: 20
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <48o5gv$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: harp-22.synapse.net
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b2 (Windows; I; 32bit)
To: William Alexander Kellogg <[e-mail]>

William Alexander Kellogg wrote:
>
> I;m looking for radio control softawre for my TS-50S
>
> Bill Kellogg
> W1ZIW
> [e-mail]

Look no farther!

73 de Brian
--
  Brian Gilhuly VE3BGB         Author of KENTROL, the ultimate in
                               rig control/logging/memory mgmt software
  [e-mail]            for Kenwood HF rigs and MS Windows
  CompuServe: 73257,3131
  Tel/fax: [phone]      Kentrol Web Page:
                               http://www.synapse.net/~kentrol/
  76 McDonald Street S         Kentrol ftp Site:
  Arnprior ON K7S 2W5 Canada   ftp.synapse.net/private/k/kentrol/


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:18 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!hatch.sonalysts.com!hatch.sonalysts.com!gerheim
From: [e-mail] (Al Gerheim)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Unattended QSO's
Date: 22 Nov 1995 20:05:43 GMT
Organization: Sonalysts, Inc.
Lines: 20
Message-ID: <48vvqn$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: hatch.sonalysts.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

I've been working new states on Packet by looking for open mailboxes
in the unattended packet subbands.  If I find a mailbox, I connect and
leave a message.  Just Hello, nice signal, name and QTH.  So far I've
received QSL's from 2 new states (bringing my total on RTTY/Data to
44) this way.

I also leave my HF station on unattended for maybe 2 or 3 hours at
a time in the PM, usually on 20 or 30. I beacon every 2 minutes or
so.  Flame me.  I still don't think this is excessive.

Has anyone else tried it?  I sure wish more people would leave their
rigs on unattended, especially stations in DE, SD, WY, UT, VT and WV :-)


--
***********************************************************************
Al Gerheim, N4QN      |Opinions expressed here | Sonalysts Inc. POB 280
[e-mail] |    are my own.         | 215 Parkway North
Work: [phone]   |                        | Waterford CT 06385
***********************************************************************


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:19 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
From: [e-mail] (GBohner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Wanted: Multimode TNC
Date: 25 Nov 1995 16:57:05 -0500
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
Lines: 4
Sender: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <4983fh$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (GBohner)
NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com

I am looking for a used TNC, preferably a KAM Plus
Send email to [e-mail]
I am in St. Pete Florida
Guy, W6LJL


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:20 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: [e-mail] (Robert I Sinclair )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.swap
Subject: Re: What is SPAM???
Date: 23 Nov 1995 10:55:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 7
Message-ID: <491ju8$[e-mail]>
References: <48lekf$[e-mail]> <48rbap$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4918ao$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-sac4-26.ix.netcom.com
X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Nov 23  2:55:04 AM PST 1995
Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17280 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12752 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21652 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11708 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94620 rec.radio.amateur.policy:31997 rec.radio.amateur.space:5809 rec.radio.cb:24591 rec.radio.noncomm:5009 rec.radio.scanner:41003 rec.radio.swap:51488



Yes it is canned meat, yes it is spread on things and yes it is usually
scorned!

Spamming is a term for placing a message in many different groups on
the net typically refering to advertising.


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:21 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!Rezonet.net!news0.accent.net!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Marc Dufour)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Subject: Re: What some think about sexy hams
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 02:36:38 GMT
Organization: Is there really one?
Lines: 27
Message-ID: <498k6u$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <47uhb8$[e-mail]> <481qu5$[e-mail]> <4825g6$[e-mail]> <487hjv$[e-mail]> <48be57$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-372.accent.net
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Xref: news.epix.net rec.puzzles:52368 rec.puzzles.crosswords:4642 rec.pyrotechnics:37976 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:17322 rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:12793 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21719 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:11737 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94721 rec.radio.amateur.policy:32035 rec.radio.amateur.space:5822 rec.radio.cb:24644 rec.radio.noncomm:5015 rec.radio.scanner:41104 rec.radio.shortwave:66493 rec.radio.swap:51624 rec.roller-coaster:23316 rec.running:45726 rec.scouting:38019 rec.scuba:81118 rec.skiing.alpine:33729


==============================================================
[e-mail] (Don Welch)
Θcrivit le - wrote on 14 Nov 1995 17:01:27 -0800:
--------------------------------------------------------------

>[e-mail] (Jim Clarke) writes:

>>I've only been an amateur radio operator for 18 years and I would have to
>(snip)
>>Don't let the bad apples spoil the excitement that can be found in amateur
>>radio, there is something there for everyone (wives/girlfriends too).

>Speaking of HAM radios, could this group help me out?  Every time I go and
>dive with my radio set, the fuse blows.  What's the trick here?

   It could have something to do with your set antenna's SWR. What does
the S-meter says just before the fuse blows?

-----------------Pour la RΘpublique Franτaise du QuΘbec-----------------
In a Republic, society should be  like school, whose prime mission is to
teach citizens how  to  judge for themselves by their own natural light.
In a democracy, it is school that must look like society, and it's prime
mission is solely to produce people adapted to the job market.
                   RΘgis Debray in "Are you a democrat or a republican?"
- Marc Dufour -- [\]ACUC 6 31874 & TDI -- http: will soon be relocated -



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:22 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!zib-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!w254zrz.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!jekucfjc
From: [e-mail] (Jens Kurrat)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Who makes VCOs/PLLs for 430 MHz?
Date: 22 Nov 1995 09:34:17 GMT
Organization: TU Berlin
Lines: 12
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <48uqqp$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: w254zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de


Does anybody know which company makes VCOs/PLLs that can
operate at the 70cm band (430 MHz).
I need to build a receiver that mixes the received RF down
to the baseband signal. I don't want to use Mini Circuits'
VCOs which draw too much current and require 12V VB.

THANKS,

Jens




From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:23 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: [e-mail] (Wanda M Desmond )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Winfax Pro
Date: 24 Nov 1995 01:31:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 13
Message-ID: <49379m$[e-mail]>
References: <492lbc$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: bak-ca1-02.ix.netcom.com
X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Nov 23  5:31:34 PM PST 1995

In <492lbc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ed Engel) writes:
>
>Does anyone know where I can get an SSTV program called Winfax Pro?
>
>Ed Engel N7UQZ
>[e-mail]
>

Winfax Pro is a Windows FAX program (I have it on my computer), not an
SSTV program. . . .

John
KE6TGN


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:24 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.ramlink.net!news
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: WTB Microwave radio systems
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:02:14 GMT
Organization: RAMLink Internet Access Service
Lines: 20
Message-ID: <48tsrl$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ash35.ramlink.net
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82


Does anyone have low density digital microwave systems for sale??
I need 1,2,4 or 8 T1's and will consider DS-3.  I will remove if
operational or assist in replacing if you are upgrading.

I can use Common Carrier or Business bands.

Please reply via any mode to:

        Raymon A. Bobbitt
        One Call Systems
        Po Box 1091
        Ashland, KY  41105-1091

        606-329-9919

Thanks in advance for your information or assistance.

Ray



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:45:25 1995
Path: news.epix.net!dansi
From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: WTB: Cheap packet for 14yr old.
Date: 25 Nov 1995 22:02:16 GMT
Organization: epix.net
Lines: 9
Message-ID: <4983p8$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: plum.epix.net
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

Hi, my personal is PJ.  My call is N3NMD, I am looking for a cheap used
packet that will be compatable with my 286, ( no commadore packet tnc's
unless you are going to throw in a commadore for free. =) )
I cannot afford too much because of our current finacial ( sp? ) status.
I have a tech class and I am going to be upgrading soon.
Looking forward to replies.  ( please, no flames )
[e-mail]
N3NMD



From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:12:31 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!fonorola!Rezonet.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!acces-cible.qc.ca!news
From: [e-mail] (Guy Boulais)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: *** Multi-language ham-radio software for Windows ***
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 03:06:31 GMT
Organization: Blizz Informatique
Lines: 20
Message-ID: <49gisa$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.236.115.2
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82

Hi, I made a software called VE2GYB/Windows.

It runs in english, french or whatever language you prefer
(takes only 30 minutes to setup in your own language)

You can get more informations and download the demo at this site:
http://blizz.qc.ca/blizz/ve2gyb/

The demo has all the functionalities except that it it stops after 1
minute (you may restart the software).



73! de Guy
VE2GYB

e-mail: [e-mail]
packet: [e-mail]




From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:12:32 1995
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From: Carl Makin <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: 4800 Baud
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 12:13:57 +1100
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To: Paul love <[e-mail]>

Hi Paul,

Paul love wrote:

> Was wondering if 4k8 packet has any following else where in the world.
> Down here in VK there is some limited L.A.N.'s around with 4k8

There is some activity in Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide and a reasonable
amount of activity in Sydney and Canberra.  Both Sydney and Canberra run
(the same) 4800 baud dedicated frequency (144.800 Mhz).

> about the feasibility of getting a 4k8 local area network going in our
> area, basically as an experiment. The idea was to source a good and
> readily constructable modem design and run a club project to source

The Canberra Amateur Packet Radio Group (CAPRG) has a "tri-speed" modem
kit available for $40.  It's just the board and instructions (no parts)
but all the parts are readily available in the ACT.  Check out

<http://email.nla.gov.au/~cmakin/caprg.html>

for more details.

> The advantages to 4k8 that we considered were the economic , no special
> radio's or mod's required, the possibilty of 2 metre operation, all

4800 baud still requires modifications to the radio.  You need to tap
into the demod before the de-emphasis circuitry and insert your TX after
the pre-emphasis bits. :-)  It's not hard to do.  One advantage 4800 has
over 9600 is that more radios can handle it.

Performance differences between 4800 and 9600 arn't that great when
other factors such as the key-up time needed for most older radios and
the small packet sizes of AX.25 are taken into account.

Carl.


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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: 4800 Baud
Date: 28 Nov 1995 16:34:32 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Carl Makin  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi Paul,
>
>Paul love wrote:
>
>> Was wondering if 4k8 packet has any following else where in the world.
>> Down here in VK there is some limited L.A.N.'s around with 4k8
>
>There is some activity in Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide and a reasonable
>amount of activity in Sydney and Canberra.  Both Sydney and Canberra run
>(the same) 4800 baud dedicated frequency (144.800 Mhz).
>

There is also a little 4800 activity in Central Ohio. Mostly node activity,
but I think a user port or 2.
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 9600 Baud using the Alinco DR1200TH Radio
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In article <4994eq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ronald E. Curry) writes:
>Don't waste your money. This is a warmed over voice radio and hasn't
>faired well in BER testing (QST).Plus it is synthesized so the TXdelay
>is very high (over 200ms).  Get a dedicated data radio like the MJF
>8621 (2meters or  a TEKK KS900L(440) or Kantronics D4-10(44). The MFJ
>and the TEKK cost only about $120, the D4-10 is about $220 (from AEA).
>I'm told modified Motorola Mitrex's work well also.

The D4-10 is from Kantronics, not AEA, and you're about $100 low on
the price too. The other info is basically correct.

Gary

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From: Richard Langley <[e-mail]>
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Subject: ACT-1 with HP 100LX?
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:35:31 -0400
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Can Universal Radio's Universal ACT-1 ACARS decoder (hardware unit plus
software) be used with an HP 100LX palmtop?  Thanks.

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Subject: Re: ATV Frequencies on Cable TV Channels
Date: 26 Nov 1995 15:29:29 GMT
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If your'e thinking of using a cable box as a receiver, be aware that the
noise figure is terrible (7dB or worse) and a low noise preamp will be
mandatory.  The signal level converter boxes are designed for is between
-20 and 0 dBmv into 70 ohms.  Thats a lot of power.  Send me a SASE and
a buck and I'll mail you the list of frequencies.



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> Michael Neidich <[e-mail]> wrote:



>If your'e thinking of using a cable box as a receiver, be aware that the

>noise figure is terrible (7dB or worse) and a low noise preamp will be

>mandatory.  The signal level converter boxes are designed for is between

>-20 and 0 dBmv into 70 ohms.  Thats a lot of power.  Send me a SASE and

>a buck and I'll mail you the list of frequencies.



     Already got the list. Sorry, you won't be getting my address!

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From: [e-mail] (Michael C. McHugh (TA2ZG/W2AV))
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Subject: Baycom and a 16550 uart ????
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I've been following this thread on here as well as corresponding with the
original poster (Wim, PA0WCA) directly via email.  Wim has a real problem
in getting his Baycom software to work on different UARTs.  He has tried
8250, 16450 and 16550 with both Baycom and AX25 with really peculiar re-
sults. Maybe he has a hardware problem, maybe software. He's working on it.

I have an interest because I'm working on a modification of AX25.COM that
allows it to work with BPQCODE as an external driver.  Jon, G7JJF, did this
a couple of years ago (BPQAX25.EXE) but his code is in C and the TSR is
quite large.  I'm working in assembler and the TSR size is under 10k
bytes including a transmit buffer, so I think it can be a useful contribu-
tion.  I need to know if a real problem exits with UARTs other than the
8250 which is all I have here to test with.

The interesting thing to me is that there have been a lot of comments of
the type 'maybe the FIFOs are on' (they aren't, Wim checked that already)
or 'maybe there's a bug in the UART'.  No one has actually said 'I use Bay-
com (or AX25) with a 16450/16550 UART with no problems' - or otherwise.

So, how about it?  Is anyone using Baycom or AX25 on other than an 8250
UART?  Any problems or special parameter settings?  Which type of modem?
I think that any factual contribution could be of use.

And... the flamers with $95000 Mercedes or whatever can keep their opin-
ions to themselves.  This is a hobby, remember?  We do it for fun and to
(we hope) learn something, maybe to contribute something.

de Mike (TA2ZG/W2AV)     Remote Sysop TA2EM BBS - first PRBBS in Turkiye
Amateur Packet Radio:    TA2ZG@TA2EM.#IST.TUR.EU
Internet (email only):   Michael C. McHugh <[e-mail]>


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From: [e-mail] (Demetre Koumanakos)
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Subject: Re: BAYCOM under WINDOWS ... and UNIX ???
Date: 27 Nov 1995 08:23:30 GMT
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Jean-Francois Maion ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Mirko Caserta) wrote:
: >
: > Jim Devenport <[e-mail]> wrote:
: > =>Sorry for the caps, but I think this is pretty cool stuff.
: > =>I recently upgraded to Windoze '95 and like it fine, none of
: > =>the bugs so many people seem to complain about.  NOW I like it
: > =>even more, I just plugged in an ancient homebrew modem and
: > =>opened my BAYCOM software first in DOS, then just for fun tried
: > =>the same program from a DOS window when I got Windows running
: > =>again... it works fine!
: > Yes, I tried too and it worked fine. I was using the BAYCOM software
: > ver. 1.50a. The problem now is that I forward messages with my
: > home-bbs using the FBB protocol and the BBS asks me an MD2 password
: > too when I connect it. With TST Host I've got no problem to do these
: > things but TST doesn't work under Windows as BAYCOM does.
: >



: I used to think it was unpossible to make a baycom soft running under
: windows, since it requires permanent quick access to hard interrupts.

: I also used to think that for the same reason it was not possible to
: make a baycom soft run under Linux (and I haven't found any soft).

: Am I totaly wrong ? Hope I am ...

I haven't tried win95 and baycom yet, but it used to run fine under
win 3.11, I remeber I used to have baycom in one windows, a Kenwood
controller on another, both used different com ports, a faxmodem idling
on a third port, and the msmouse on a fourth...

73's



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From: [e-mail] (Dan Leatherman)
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Subject: BayPac, Kenwood HT help
Date: 30 Nov 1995 06:24:20 GMT
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I recently aquired a second hand Kenwood TH27A and wished to use it to go protable packet on my
laptop.  I have since lost the documentation to my Tigertronics Baypac packet modem and am not
sure how to solder the connections.  Any help would be appreciated. Graphic files or other replies can be sent
to [e-mail]

TNX, Dan

WH6HT


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Subject: Callserver in JNOS
From: [e-mail] (David Dodell)
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I have the latest compile of JNOS to include QRZ support for the
callbook command, but the docs keep referring to configuration with the
callserver command but I can not find any documentation.  Can anyone
help with this?

Also, mbox utc command seems to have disappeared as being supported.

David WB7TPY


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From: Dave Perkins <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Can a TM-241A handle 9600 baud..?
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  Does anyone know if my Kenwood is upgradeable to 9600 baud and how to
do so with a KPC3..Thanx for any info..

  Dave in San DIego-KC6ZBE



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In article <49biu3$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:
>   Does anyone know if my Kenwood is upgradeable to 9600 baud and how to
> do so with a KPC3..Thanx for any info..
>
>   Dave in San DIego-KC6ZBE
>
No such luck.  The problem is that the radio is synthesized, and modulates a
VCO directly, which is simply not compatible with G3RUH modulation at any
speed. Your best bet is to look for another radio: The MFJ for 2 meters, the
TEKK or Kantronics for 440.
73 & GL
Don N2IRZ



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From: Dave Perkins <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Can a TM-241A handle 9600 baud..?
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 Well is there anyway that I can use my 241A for anytype of packet
operation...?

  Dave in San Diego



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In article <49grag$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>  Well is there anyway that I can use my 241A for anytype of packet
> operation...?
>
>   Dave in San Diego

Sure!  1200 baud is what most user ports are running, and 2400 baud doesn't
require you to go into the radio, either.  Both use the mic input for TXAudio,
the speaker output for RXAudio, and PTT and Ground should be self-evident.

The only further option is 4800 baud - some postings here dealt with
that recently, and from that there isn't much activity in the USA.
A group in Hamilton, Ontario (HAPN) developed a modem in 1988 that works
well at 4800, with nay radio.  You MUST go into the radio and get
audio direct from the discriminator output and inject modulation directly
into the modulation input - easy to find if you have a schematic.

If you're not into soldering onto SMD boards, stick to 12/2400.

73,
Don N2IRZ



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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Can a TM-241A handle 9600 baud..?
Date: 29 Nov 1995 16:06:55 GMT
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In article <49grag$[e-mail]>, Dave Perkins  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Well is there anyway that I can use my 241A for anytype of packet
>operation...?
>
>  Dave in San Diego

Yes Dave, I have been running a 241a on 1200 baud packet for years now. Works
great, and I even modified mine with a DB-9 socket in the rear for data. I
got the audio from the discriminator too, hence, TNC always gets the correct
level, regardless where the "volume" is set at.

73.



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  +=================================+===================================+


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From: [e-mail] (L. Brichardi)
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Subject: Cheap radio for packet (9600 capable)?
Date: 26 Nov 1995 06:51:40 GMT
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The MFJ data radio, $119, is 9600 baud ready out of the box.


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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Cheap radio for packet (9600 capable)?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
L. Brichardi <[e-mail]> wrote:

>The MFJ data radio, $119, is 9600 baud ready out of the box.

'Rock bound' tho....so add the cost of crystals.   :)

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  +=================================+===================================+


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From: [e-mail] (danny zak)
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Subject: GATEWAYS TO INTERNET (europe)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 17:43:39 GMT
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Hi

i'm a 27mhz packet user, and i was wonder if there where gates to the
internet via pACKET on 27mhz ?

In belgium or other countries ...


see ya

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From: [e-mail] (Chris Rendenna)
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Subject: GPS and AEA PK-12 Info Wanted
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Hi - I have a PK-12 and am looking to get a GPS receiver to hook up to
it.  I'm not sure which GPS unit to get.

Could someone please recommend (or not recommend) a GPS model that would
work nicely with the PK-12?  Anybody using Loran with the PK-12?

Thank you for your response in advance.

73 de Chris KB2BBW
[e-mail]





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Subject: Re: GPS and AEA PK-12 Info Wanted
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:01:27 GMT
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[e-mail] (Chris Rendenna) wrote:

>Hi - I have a PK-12 and am looking to get a GPS receiver to hook up to
>it.  I'm not sure which GPS unit to get.

>Could someone please recommend (or not recommend) a GPS model that would
>work nicely with the PK-12?  Anybody using Loran with the PK-12?

>Thank you for your response in advance.


   My recommendation would be for one of the Magellan Handhelds.
   First, they work above 90 knots, which Garmins (40 & 45) don't.
   Second, they're cheaper.  And third, they work well when interfaced
   to tnc's.  I have a Magellan Trailblazer XL hooked to a KPC-3, and
   it works flawlessly.

Mark Fellhauer - KC7BXS
[e-mail]

NOTE:  please respond to my HOME email address as I am responding to
this from my boss' work account...




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From: [e-mail] (Opus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Help, looking for Packet-link to Virginia
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 16:41:00 HST
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I am looking for an internet-packet gate located somewhere on the east
coast.  Would like to find one in Virginia.  I have some friends there on
packet.

I am located in Hawaii and am a HAM myself.

Thanks in advance for any info!

KB4UOL



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From: [e-mail] (Andrew John Murrell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: How I connect a KPC3 to a TM251???
Date: 29 Nov 1995 17:51:43 -0000
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sorry if this is a repost - i had some prob's

Fkjhfkjf Dflhdf ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I have a KPC3 TNC and a TM251(Kenwood 2 meters mobile), The TM251 hs a
: Data port for 9600bps. I buyed the Data Cable from Kenwood, Can someone
: tell me how to connect the KPC3 to the TM251 by the Data Port?

: I have tried every combination possible! Please someone help me!!!!!

The reason that you are having trouble trying to connect the tnc to the rig
via the 9k6 port, is due to the fact that the tnc is a 1k2 tnc and not a
9k6.

To connect the tnc to the rig you will (most probably ) have to connect the
audio in (tnc) to the headphone out on the rig, and the data out (tnc), and
the transmit line (to key the rig) - to the mic socket.  Although on some
rig's you can pick the audio out of the rig of the mic socket.

Unlike some tnc's the kpc-3 can not be upgraded (if it can be some one
please let me know), and therefore you will have to get a 9k6 tnc
like aea pk-96, kpc-9612, and there is also a 9k6 baycom offering.

hope this has been some help

de andy, g7ueh


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: KAGOLD..IS IT STILL A
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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N>Hi - I have a question about KaGold. I'm using a KamPlus with HostMaster.
 >I was seriously thinking about KaGold and downloaded the demo. I was VERY
 >disappointed to find that I could not monitor the PacketCluster and HF
 >modes on the same screen, as I can do with HostMaster. What's the point of
 >having a dual-mode TNC if you can't see/use both modes at the same time? I
 >wonder what you think of this?

N>Jay,
 >KD2L

Jay,

In a private message some weeks ago, I explained the exact procedure to
do this in the demo, and in the current release version.

The ability to monitor PacketCluster and another connection/mode is an
important feature of KaGOLD.

If you're having difficulty making it work, please feel free to contact
us, we'll be glad to help.

73 -- Lynn



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From: Steve Sampson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: KPC-3 and 9600, was: (no subject)
Date: 27 Nov 1995 19:59:11 GMT
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Dave Perkins <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>  Is there anyway that I can upgrade my Kenwood to handle 9600 baud using
>a KPC3..If so can you please let me know..Thanx
>
>  Dave in San Diego-KC6ZBE
>

Well Dave, you may not know this, but Kenwood has more than one model!
But that's OK, because I can tell you the answer: NO!

The reason is, the KPC-3 won't do 9600.

Get a KPC-9612 and a TEKK KS-900 and use that with a Kantronics
RFC 4-110.  That'll give you about 30 Watts, a modern radio, and
the best damn 9600 TNC on the market.  Don't buy the Kantronics
mini-UHF Amp.  It's junk.  If you have a local 9600 repeater, then
the TEKK at 2 watts into a beam should be fine.

--
Steve/n5owk



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From: Don Rotolo <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: KPC-3 and 9600, was: (no subject)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 12:24:38 PDT
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In article <49d5af$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:
> Get a KPC-9612 and a TEKK KS-900 and use that with a Kantronics
> RFC 4-110.  That'll give you about 30 Watts, a modern radio, and
> the best damn 9600 TNC on the market.  Don't buy the Kantronics

I recommend against the Kantronics (RF Concepts) RFC4-110, because it is relay
switched.  The time involved in relay switching will shoot your throughput down
to around the 1200 baud level.  A better choice would be the Mirage 24N (?),
which is diode switched, and puts out about 15 watts.  I think they have a
higher-powered model, too. (Not sure about the Mirage model number).

73 & GL,
Don N2IRZ



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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: KPC-3 and 9600, was: (no subject)
Reply-To: [e-mail]
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In <[e-mail]> Don Rotolo <[e-mail]> writes:

>In article <49d5af$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:
>> Get a KPC-9612 and a TEKK KS-900 and use that with a Kantronics
>> RFC 4-110.  That'll give you about 30 Watts, a modern radio, and
>> the best damn 9600 TNC on the market.  Don't buy the Kantronics

>I recommend against the Kantronics (RF Concepts) RFC4-110, because it is relay
>switched.  The time involved in relay switching will shoot your throughput down
>to around the 1200 baud level.  A better choice would be the Mirage 24N (?),
>which is diode switched, and puts out about 15 watts.  I think they have a
>higher-powered model, too. (Not sure about the Mirage model number).

I don't know the RFC4-110, but have you ever measured the switchon time
of relays?  Often people relate "relays" to "slow", but I can assure you
that the switchover time of the average relay is *much less* than the
lockup time of the average PLL transceiver, and is *not anywhere near*
the TXDELAY commonly used with 1200 bps.

The local access on the node here is operating on a Storno CQF fixed
radio station which has relays in the power supply AND a coaxial relay,
and it operates very reliably at TXDELAY 30ms.   It would work at 20ms
as well.

When something has relays and is slow, the slowness probably isn't caused
by the relays, but by some other slow-settling circuitry in the tcvr, or
a slow HF-VOX in the PA.

Rob
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From: Don Rotolo <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KPC-3 and 9600, was: (no subject)
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In article <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:
<snip>
> I don't know the RFC4-110, but have you ever measured the switchon time
> of relays?  Often people relate "relays" to "slow", but I can assure you
> that the switchover time of the average relay is *much less* than the
> lockup time of the average PLL transceiver, and is *not anywhere near*
> the TXDELAY commonly used with 1200 bps.

I agree - some relays can be awfully fast.  Not in this case, though.  My
RFC4-215 (I think - 440, 2w in, 15w out) required a TXD of 28 (280 mS), and
that was using a TEKK with a TXD of 1!  Certainly, throwing the RF sensing
circuit out cut it to TXD 12, but all of that was relay...

Remember, we're talking 9k6, not 1k2, and crystal radios, not PLL.
But, your point is well taken.  Pauldon associates in Tonowanda NY makes
a few relay-switched PAs that, if you drive the PTT directly, have a
switching time of less than 40 mSec - with a TEKK, that's TXD 5.

73,
Don N2IRZ




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From: Dave Perkins <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: KPC-3 and 9600, was: (no subject)
Date: 30 Nov 1995 04:55:13 GMT
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 Well lets say I got a KPC3...that will handle 2400 or 1200 or whatever
baud it does...Will I still be able to use that with my TM-241A...

 Ive never done packet before so im sure i sound like an idiot but thanx
for the help...

  Dave in San Diego



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From: [e-mail] (Jens Kurrat)
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Subject: Looking for QPSK modulators, demodulators !
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Does anybody know which company makes QPSK modulator and
demodulator chips? They should work in baseband and be capable
of handling a data rate of about 2 Mbps (1 MSymbols/s).
The demodulator should derive the clock information from the signal.

THANKS

Jens




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Subject: Macmulticom
Date: 29 Nov 95 23:24:49 JST
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Has anyone had any experience with using MacMulticom software
with MFJ 1278 multimode TNC?  How good is it and what modes
are available?

Can it decode gray-scale weather fax?

Please email with any replies.

Thank you very much.



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From: [e-mail] (Ken Fredstrom)
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Subject: MFJ-1278
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Does anyone have any comments (good or bad) about the MFJ-1278
multi-mode controller??
Thanks.
KEN-WB7NEX




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From: [e-mail] (Ken Fredstrom)
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Subject: MFJ-1278
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Would like any comments on the MFJ-1278 TNC. Good or BAd. I am
thinking of getting one but have heard bad comments on them. Any
comments would be appreciated. Thanks.
KEN-WB7NEX-Tucson




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From: [e-mail] (Pete Hoffswell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Mud's on Packet
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 22:05:01 GMT
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>HELLO FELLOW AMATEURS,

>     I WAS WONDERING IF ANONE KNOWS A WAY TO PUT A MUD (MULTI USER
>DIMENSIONS) ON PACKET. CAN IT BE DONE? AND WHAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT IS
>REQUIRED THANKS FOR ANY INPUT YOU CAN GIVE.

>          TODD DAUGHERTY N9OGL
>          [e-mail]

Yeah, you could do it... But it would be a bad idea.
Packet Radio does not have the speed or bandwidth needed to allow
users to access the mud.  It would be way, way too slow to be of any
use.  Muds require a near real-time feed back, to give the user that
sense of virtual reality.  That doesn't happen at 1200 baud, with
packet collisions!

Anyway, IF you wanted to do it, I would say:

386/33++, 4mb++ ram, 100mb++ ram (minimum)
TNC
Radio
Linux operating system
TNOS BBS system for linux.
A mud server for Linux

It would be important to obtain a mud server that did not display
combat sequences, as they would murder the frequency for sure.  Also,
all mud objects (ie rooms) should have a minimal text description to,
again, save bandwidth.

TNOS will allow users to connect to the mud via AX.25 instead of
TCP/IP modes, which is, IMHO, a good thing.

Eh, getting linux and tnos up and running is a HUGE job in it's own
right, putting aside the mud!

-pete
HARC - Holland Amateur Radio Club
Come visit Us at:
http://hamgate.hoho.org


Pete Hoffswell | [e-mail] | N9SSA | Holland, MI



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From: [e-mail] (Adam van Gaalen PA2AGA)
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Subject: NET_Mac2.3.56.sea.hqx.text
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                                          The Netherlands, November 29, 1995.
Hello dear reader,

NET/Mac v2.3.56 was born...

For those who don't know NET/Mac...   NET/Mac is the application that
supports TCP/IP over packet-radio, which means, that hamradio operators
can use NET/Mac for their wireless TCP/IP network...

In this version of NET/Mac the following mods/features were implemented:

- Fixes for AddResMenu() bug in System 7.5.3
- Implement 'whenquiet <command>' command
- Implemented some temporary mods to keep track of sleeping sessions
- NET/Mac does NOT support the new Buckmaster CD-ROM's HAMCALL
  database yet... I am trying to convince Buckmaster that I need
  the new data-encryption-method, but as of yet they are not ready
  to release a description of the encoding-algorithm...
  The old CD-ROM's remain fully supported...

This version obsoletes all versions of info-mac/comm/radio-net-mac in
the Sumex-Aim.stanford.edu (and it's mirror-) archives.

The new NET/Mac has (hopefully) been uploaded to:

 - oak.oakland.edu, to the directory /pub/hamradio/mac/digital
 - ftp.ucsd.edu, to directory /hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming.
   If it's not there (anymore), then look at /hamradio/packet/tcpip/mac.
 - hamster.business.uwo.ca, to directory /pub/amsoft

NET/Mac will be uploaded to PI8HVH.AMPR.ORG, directory public/mac.

Adam PA2AGA e-mail: [e-mail] for mail to my office and BIG files
                or: [e-mail]      for letters only, NO BIG files here



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From: Luis Aceituno Otero <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: packet radio on 27 mc (34-40)
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This is ILEGAL!. It is prohibited transmit digital signals in this
frecuencies., Sorry but my opinion is NOT.

 Luis EB1AKI & EC1ACJ



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Yes, packet would be illegal in these frequencies.  However, so
is most of the other activity on these frequencies.  One of the
beauties of packet is that you don't have to LISTEN to the
on-channel QRM in order to communicate.
--
*********** Jim Devenport WB5AOX **************
*      PO Box 445, McIntosh NM 87032          *
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From: [e-mail] (Norbert Schirrmeister)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: packet radio on 27 mc (34-40)
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Luis Aceituno Otero ([e-mail]) wrote:
: This is ILEGAL!. It is prohibited transmit digital signals in this
: frecuencies., Sorry but my opinion is NOT.

:  Luis EB1AKI & EC1ACJ

Well, I don't know how this thread started. But PR is legal on CB in
Germany

Best 73s de DL1GNS @ OE9XPI.AUT.EU
Norbert


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hello,

i'd like to announce that there is a new terminal-program to control
a TNC oder a hayes modem with the HP48-calc.
it uses graphical display. its size is 3.5 kb.
if there is any interest, pse send a email to:

[e-mail]

73 de JENS (GERMANY)



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From: [e-mail] (John DeRuiter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: PK232 software
Date: 27 Nov 1995 01:56:49 GMT
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Can anyone make a recommendation on the best software for the PK232?
I have a 16MHz 386SX with only 2MByte RAM and a 40 MByte hard disk. Please
send any response to [e-mail]

73, and thanks in advance
KJ7GU,  John


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From: Bob <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: PK232 software
Date: 27 Nov 1995 10:22:49 GMT
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Use a standard modem program. This way you will learn all the
commands, I find this is the only way to understand how the tnc
works and it uses my brain.
73 Bob
WA2IHJ




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From: "Walt [N3JPR]" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: PK232 software
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:00:31 -0800
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To: John DeRuiter <[e-mail]>

John
        The best software for the PK-232 is XPCOM which is
avalible at http://www.inditect.com/user/gjohnson
Give it a try,it will do everything that you could imagine and
rumor has it there will soon be an even neater package by Gary.
If you run into any problems Gary will be glad to help.
                        Good luck
                        Walt  N3JPR


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From: [e-mail] (Gary McDuffie, Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Please choke NJ7P/AZNET
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:23:08 GMT
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Would someone who is close enough to get immediate word to NJ7P please do so
and have him remove his berserk board from the packet system before someone
shoots him!!!  Fifty percent of the messages received lately have been dupes
of a day or two before, carrying AZNET bids and an NJ7P header.

Please, someone get the word to him!
 _____                       _____ _____ ___ _____
|   __|___ ___ _ _    ___   |  _  |   __|   |   | |
|  |  | .'|  _| | |  |___|  |     |  |  | | | | | |
|_____|__,|_| |_  |         |__|__|_____|___|_|___|
              |___| [e-mail]

  [Message made entirely of recycled characters.]


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From: [e-mail] (danny zak)
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Subject: programmers for packet radio programs ?
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hello

does anbody programs for packet radio ??

let me know something, i'm very interrrested..

se ya




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From: Don Rotolo <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Some know 9600 baud solutions
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In article <49943a$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> jkbe@zeus (John_Bednar) wrote:
>
>
> >Thanks for the info. You might have a typo above. 10ms for actual TXD
> >seems about 30-50ms too low.
>
>
> >John, WB3ESS
>
> I'd be interested to know why you think that. I had it running at 10ms
> quite reliably but seemed to drop a few packets occassionally. Now it
> is set to 20 ms and works super on a point to point link with a
> similar configuration.

John, I also find a TXD of 2 (= 20 mS) seems to work fine.  Despite the TEKK's
rating of 8 mS turnaround, a TXD of 1 did show some problems.  I personally run
a TXD of 3, just to be on the safe side of safe.
73, Don N2IRZ





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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Some know 9600 baud solutions
Reply-To: [e-mail]
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In <[e-mail]> Don Rotolo <[e-mail]> writes:

>> I'd be interested to know why you think that. I had it running at 10ms
>> quite reliably but seemed to drop a few packets occassionally. Now it
>> is set to 20 ms and works super on a point to point link with a
>> similar configuration.
>
>John, I also find a TXD of 2 (= 20 mS) seems to work fine.  Despite the TEKK's
>rating of 8 mS turnaround, a TXD of 1 did show some problems.  I personally run
>a TXD of 3, just to be on the safe side of safe.

It could depend on the software.  When there is no sync between the
10ms timer tick and the keying of the TX, the TXDELAY could be up to one
unit shorter than what you specify.  I.e. with TXDELAY 1 the actual txdelay
could vary between 0 and 10ms.  In this case, 2 is the minimum reasonable
value.
However, when the software uses p-persistence and samples the channel in
the timer tick routine, such a problem would not occur.  My SCC driver
works that way (when in CSMA mode), and I have successfully run 9k6
setups with TXDELAY 1.
However, to provide some settling time to receivers that may use large
decoupling capacitors etc, I normally use TXDELAY 3 as well.

Rob
--
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Rob Janssen         [e-mail] | BBS: [phone] (2300-0730 local) |
| AMPRnet:       [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


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From: jkbe@zeus (John_Bednar)
Subject: Re: Some know 9600 baud solutions
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Rob Janssen ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In <[e-mail]> Don Rotolo <[e-mail]> writes:

: >> I'd be interested to know why you think that. I had it running at 10ms
: >> quite reliably but seemed to drop a few packets occassionally. Now it
: >> is set to 20 ms and works super on a point to point link with a
: >> similar configuration.
: >
: >John, I also find a TXD of 2 (= 20 mS) seems to work fine.  Despite the TEKK's
: >rating of 8 mS turnaround, a TXD of 1 did show some problems.  I personally run
: >a TXD of 3, just to be on the safe side of safe.

: It could depend on the software.  When there is no sync between the
: 10ms timer tick and the keying of the TX, the TXDELAY could be up to one
: unit shorter than what you specify.  I.e. with TXDELAY 1 the actual txdelay
: could vary between 0 and 10ms.  In this case, 2 is the minimum reasonable
: value.

: Rob

I'll have to look back thru my TEKK notes and test results. Maybe we're
dealing with more of a TNC issue than an actual radio issue.
Thanks for the feedback.

John


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From: [e-mail] (John N0ISL)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Timewave DSP 59+
Date: 29 Nov 1995 18:26:44 -0500
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The latest release of the 59+ firmware has digitial tone regeneration. It
works
very well on digitial modes. The version 3 also has improved phone
clairity.
Very pleased with this filter. One of the best ham products of 1995....
73 es CUL de N0ISL John
John Douglas, N0ISL
AX.25 N0ISL@KZ7I.#MSP.MN.USA.NOAM
I'm in Minnesota only because I must be somewhere!


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From: [e-mail] (Paul J. Piercey (VO1HE))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: TNC reports that station is busy - but it's not!
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 95 18:59:11 GMT
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[e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh) wrote:
>In article <48o3da$[e-mail]>, Pheezer <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Does anyone know thae cause of a TNC reporting that it is busy when it is not?
>>
>>A station will call my TNC.  It calls me, not my PBBS.  The station is provided
>>a reply that my station is busy.
>>
>>My TNC is a Kantronics KAMPlus.
>>
>>I'm confused!  Any constructive replies are asked for.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>
>>Dave - WA6TPJ
>>
>
>Yes Dave I know the answer. There is a parameter called MONITOR and its
>syntax is ON or OFF. With it ON, the TNC will send the recieved data to
>the screen. The problem happens when your terminal program is off, and the
>built-in 3k "video" buffer fills. Once it has filled, anyone trying to connect
>will get a 'busy'. (ever noticed all the data that goes by your screen when
>you open your term program? Its that buffer unloading).
>
>All my Kantronics TNCs act this way, but not my MFJs. To fix the problem,
>you must turn MONITOR off (M OFF), before shutting down, or, set the connect
>string to you mailbox. (this is what I do...it dumps them into my mailbox
>wether they connect to my keyboard or not) I run PaKet 6.0, and it allows
>startup and shutdown macros....I just put the parameters in there so that
>it is automatic.
>
>Hope this helps Dave.
>
>73.
>--
>  +=================================+===================================+
>  |Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT |[e-mail] |
>  |Electronic/Computer Tech. @ OSU  |radio: n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam|
>  +=================================+===================================+

That's strange. I've never had that trouble with any of mine. I have used a
KPC-3, KPC-9612, KPC-4, KAM and a KAMPlus and the monitor has been
on in all of them with no access rejection. Interesting.



============================================================================
Paul J. Piercey

VO1HE
[44.135.16.3]

Packet Address     VO1HE@VO1AAA.#ENF.NF.CAN.NOAM
Internet Address   [e-mail]
============================================================================


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:13:16 1995
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From: Tim Kearsley <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: UltraPak 4.0 via FTP
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Hi all,
The upload of UltraPak 4.0 which I made to ftp.demon.co.uk was very slow
to appear for download.  My apologies to those who have tried to find
the file!
I can confirm that it IS now available:

Directory:  /pub/ham
Filename :  upak40.zip
Size     :  638171 bytes

The file is also available on ftp.tapr.org (/tapr/software_lib/terminal)
and ftp.teleport.com

73, Tim.

===============================================================================
    Tim Kearsley.   [e-mail]7LWB.#27.GBR.EU   [e-mail]
===============================================================================


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From: "Eystein R. Aarseth" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Will YOU Be The Grim Reapers NEXT Victim ??
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I wonder why this thread *isn't* in the misc.health.* hierarchy?

Or is this Grim Reaper a new camera, a new puzzle, a new way of blowing
things up, a new ham-radio, or just a not-so-very-new way of getting
FLAMED! ???



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From: [e-mail] (Pete..)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: WIN95 and TPK trouble
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 01:07:51 GMT
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[e-mail] (Klaus Linnert) wrote:

>Hi All , hope you are having a nice day

>I am having trouble with running TPK under WIN95. I runs perfect 1 or 2
>weeks, then the problem was there. It starts when TPK is forwarding a message
>to my home BBS. When the header is sent, TPK goes down. If I press Esc several
>times TPK goes on, but without having sent the mail. Whats wrong ?




> -=> Yours sincerely, Klaus Linnert <=-
>--
Klaus

TPK has corrupted my message bas ONCE too often and I have moved to
Winpack v5.13.  it is a VERY good program and it is relatively easy to
write servers for it.  Do you really want to persist with TPK or run
something that will run properly under windows, has a spell checker,
etc etc etc.....

Cheers..Peter..
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:13:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark D. Conner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Winpack 5.13 is out
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Winpack 5.13 is now out at various ftp sites, including ftp.funet.fi
in /pub/ham/packet/terminal.  Improvements over v4.x is compressed
forwarding/downloading and collection of FBB headers.  The program is
a near replacement for TPK, except for a few minor things that TPK
does that Winpack doesn't.  However, the other functions Winpack has
make it a better program overall, IMO.  Plus configuration is far less
finicky than TPK.


Mark D. Conner
Internet: [e-mail]
AMPRnet:  [e-mail]
"Paradigm shifting without a clutch" - Dogbert




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From: [e-mail] (Pete..)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: WINPACK SERVERS
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Hello OM's

Is there anyone out there (besides the author) that has written any
servers for Roger Barker's WINPACK v3.0, v4.0, v5.13

I am interested in enhancing the /reqfil server to include things like

1) Files per user per month
2) No of 7+ files sent per day
3) ack sent to user to acknowledge file request

I am using TPK with Ken Robson's BRILLIANT tpk-7 server but TPK as
destroyed and corrupted my message base ONCE TOO OFTEN !!!

If you've got any good ideas, let me know....

Cheers..Peter
[e-mail]
[e-mail]




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From: Don Rotolo <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: ATV Frequencies on Cable TV Channels
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In article <49h2og$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:
> >         Hello, I have been tols that you can pick up ATV Broadcasts on
regular
> > CATV. Does anyone know what each CATV frequency is? Thanks alot.

>    I'm not sure what the USA channels are, but 70cm amateur
> frequencies should be about channels 18 to 22.
>
>
the 439.250 ATV channel is channel 60 on the STD catv system (most boxes).
Try channels 57 through 62 - but make sure it's hooked to an outside
antenna!!

Don N2IRZ

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From: [e-mail] (S. Sampson)
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Subject: Re: KPC-3 and 9600, was: (no subject)
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Dave Perkins <[e-mail]> writes:

> Well lets say I got a KPC3...that will handle 2400 or 1200 or whatever
>baud it does...Will I still be able to use that with my TM-241A...

A KPC-3 will do 1200 baud packet.  An FM radio that has voice capability
can do packet without modification.  2400 baud is the limit of unmodified
radios, but the KPC-3 can't do anything but 1200.  All you have to do is
wire the KPC-3 to the Tm-241A microphone input, and audio output.
1200 baud FM packet uses Audio Frequency Shift Keying (AFSK), with
tones of 1200 Hz and 2200 Hz.  Most radios can handle those frequencies
just fine, since they are made to pass voice.




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Terry McCann <[e-mail]> writes:

> I hear there has been some rule
>changes as of late and would like for someone to explain them please.

About 6 years ago the FCC changed the rules for the Technician class
license.  The 5 WPM Code element was deleted.  This generated two
classes of the same license.  A Technician who passes the 5 WPM code
test is called a Technician Plus.  The Technician has no HF capability,
not even 10 meters, or the CW practice bands.  The Technician Plus has
these additions.

>2)  I also hear that you can "ham" over the computer?  What is this all
>about?

This started in the 40's.  It was called Teletype.  Now with the advent of
computers, the teletype has been replaced, but the speed is still slow.
You can go up to 300 baud up to 10 meters, then 1200 baud on 10, and
19,200 baud on VHF.  Even faster on UHF and microwave.  There are
several modes: Packet, PACTOR, AMTOR, GTOR, etc, etc.  Most people
use the 1200 baud FM packet in the 2 meter band.

>3)  Any tips on mastering morse without kicking out a window?

Try and remember how you learned your ABC's.  The teacher used flash
cards and her voice.  She said A, flashed a card with a symbol on it, and
you repeated it.  After 3 weeks you knew all the symbols, and could
pronounce the letters.  Then it got harder.  You had to sing a song with all
the letters.  You had to write your name, then sentences, etc.  Whew!  man
that was hard.  Some people never learned, and they never learned how
to read and write.  Same with morse code.  Some people just quit.

Practice, concentration, make it fun.  If you're not having fun, go do
something else!

Try these web pages:

www.arrl.org
www.tapr.org



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From: [e-mail] (Karl Medcalf (WK5M))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KPC-3 and 9600, was: (no subject)
Date: 30 Nov 1995 13:36:46 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>
>In article <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:
><snip>
>> I don't know the RFC4-110, but have you ever measured the switchon time
>> of relays?  Often people relate "relays" to "slow", but I can assure you
>> that the switchover time of the average relay is *much less* than the
>> lockup time of the average PLL transceiver, and is *not anywhere near*
>> the TXDELAY commonly used with 1200 bps.
>
>I agree - some relays can be awfully fast.  Not in this case, though.  My
>RFC4-215 (I think - 440, 2w in, 15w out) required a TXD of 28 (280 mS), and
>that was using a TEKK with a TXD of 1!  Certainly, throwing the RF sensing
>circuit out cut it to TXD 12, but all of that was relay...
>
>Remember, we're talking 9k6, not 1k2, and crystal radios, not PLL.
>But, your point is well taken.  Pauldon associates in Tonowanda NY makes
>a few relay-switched PAs that, if you drive the PTT directly, have a
>switching time of less than 40 mSec - with a TEKK, that's TXD 5.
>
>73,
>Don N2IRZ
>
>

You must be using the RFC 4-32 (3 watts in and 20 watts out) in which case I
think you have a problem as the TXD required on that amp is only 10
milliseconds additional to the radio requirement. The only other 440 MHz amps
they make are the 4-110 and 4-310 (10 in 100 out or 30 in 100 out), and those
require about 150 milliseconds over the radio.

I've been using a 4-110 on my D4-10 port at 9600 baud for over 4 years now and
with the txd of 18, it's working great. Ya, that sounds slow, but it still
beats the dickens out of 1200 baud.

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From: [e-mail] (Karl Medcalf (WK5M))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: TNC reports that station is busy - but it's not!
Date: 30 Nov 1995 13:38:39 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>>>All my Kantronics TNCs act this way, but not my MFJs. To fix the problem,
>>>you must turn MONITOR off (M OFF), before shutting down, or, set the
connect
>>>string to you mailbox. (this is what I do...it dumps them into my mailbox
>>>wether they connect to my keyboard or not) I run PaKet 6.0, and it allows
>>>startup and shutdown macros....I just put the parameters in there so that
>>>it is automatic.
>
>>That's strange. I've never had that trouble with any of mine. I have used a
>>KPC-3, KPC-9612, KPC-4, KAM and a KAMPlus and the monitor has been
>>on in all of them with no access rejection. Interesting.
>>
>Hi folks...
>
>Will just add me two cents worth here -- in my experience, all the above is
>correct -- but one more thing: the buffer will only fill if you stop the
>flow from the TNC to the computer with CTRL-S before shutting down.  Some
>programs do this automatically, so it may be happening even if you aren't
>sending the command.  If the CTRL-S isn't sent, the Kantronics TNC keeps
>merrily sending data out to the computer even if the computer is off and
>people connecting don't get the BUSY signal.
>
>73, Scott
>
>
>==================================================================
>           G.R. "Scott" Cundiff  --  Borger, Texas
>Internet:  [e-mail]    ham: N5ASD@N5ASD.#WTX.TX.USA.NOAM
>    Check out the Nazarene Amateur Radio Fellowship home page
>                   http://www.genesis.net/grc/
>==================================================================
>

Not quite completely accurate...if pins 4 and 5 (RTS and CTS) are connected
from the computer to the TNC, then when you turn the computer off the TNC will
stop sending the data and hold it in the buffer - with or without a Control-S.
This is hardware flow control. BTW - all Host Mode programs use hardware flow
control, so I suspect that's the problem.

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From: [e-mail] (Andrew John Murrell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a way to use TCP/IP on baycom?
Date: 30 Nov 1995 14:34:08 -0000
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Jens Brandes ([e-mail]) wrote:

: >>The only thing that has kept me from building a baycom modem is that I
: >>can't do TCP/IP, but a few weeks ago I was talking to someone who said
: >>that it was possible to use TCP/IP with special ssoftware. Does this
: >>software exist (or was I lied to?) and (if it does exist) where can I get it?

: >Yes it is possible, you have to use ax25.com and for example jnos.
: >look for it on ham bbs
: >Wim Bovendeert ( PAoWCA )
: >[e-mail]
: >

: there is also a driver called tfpcx4ip for baycom comp. modems ...
: i didn't work with it, but i heard from ... so try ...


i don't know if the file is there but there is a baycom directory on funet
the url is:

nic.funet.fi/pub/ham/packet/baycom

hope this is of help

andy, g7ueh

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From: [e-mail] (John A. Sutliff)
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Subject: my old Robotics 1200 Baud Modem--Any use?
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I have an old Robotics 1200 baud external modem.

Are there any uses I could put this to in conjunction with my
transceiver (IC706)??

Any published mods to uses standard PC modems with ham radios??
John Sutliff



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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Can a TM-241A handle 9600 baud..?
Date: 30 Nov 1995 17:12:27 GMT
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Dave Perkins <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Well is there anyway that I can use my 241A for anytype of packet
>operation...?

It should work fine at 1200 baud.



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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
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In <[e-mail]> Don Rotolo <[e-mail]> writes:

>I agree - some relays can be awfully fast.  Not in this case, though.  My
>RFC4-215 (I think - 440, 2w in, 15w out) required a TXD of 28 (280 mS), and
>that was using a TEKK with a TXD of 1!  Certainly, throwing the RF sensing
>circuit out cut it to TXD 12, but all of that was relay...

120ms in a relay?  Maybe there is a short-circuit winding.  it could be
done to limit voltage spikes at switching off.
I think it should be possible to improve it...

Rob
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In article <49inuc$[e-mail]>,
Jim Barber <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Hi all..
>
>I'm looking for information on the commonly-used SSTV formats;
>in other words how the data is transmitted over the air.
>I have an idea for a new 'breed' of SSTV software, but
>haven't been able to find any info on the formats.
>
>I 'spose I could digitize a frame off the air and tear it
>apart, but being the lazy sort I am I would rather work from
>a specification..
>
>Any ideas ?
>
>**
>Jim Barber, N7CXI



You can find this information at:

       http://www.wincom.net/raarssen/techinfo.doc

73,
John WB2OSZ




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From: [e-mail] (Ken Fredstrom)
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Subject: MFJ-1278
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Can anyone tell me some good or bad points about the MFJ-1278. I am
thinking of getting one to replace the PK-900 as it will send and
receive both fax and sstv. Any comments would be appreciated.
KEN-WB7NEX-Tucson




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I need some help with one of my Kenwood TM241's.  I have used this radio only for packet and all was well until I decided to
reorganize the shack a bit.  When I put everything back together I went to plug the stock mic with DTMF keypad into the rig,
turned the rig on and it keyed and stayed keyed.  I took the mic off my second TM241 plugged it in and the same condition
again occurred.  Both mics work great on my second TM241.  I tried a third mic, one without a DTMF keypad, and the radio
works great.  It only keys when keyed.

I tried a reset, but it did nothing to help resolve the problem.  I called Kenwood's Tech support, but they had no suggestions
except to send the radio in for service.  I can't be the only one to have had this problem.   Anyone out there with any
suggestions.

Sure would appreciate  some input here.  Thanks and Happy HOLIDAYS!

You can drop me a note at [e-mail]

73,

Kent
KE9RS


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From: [e-mail] (Pete..)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: MFJ-1278
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 23:46:56 GMT
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[e-mail] (Ken Fredstrom) wrote:

>Would like any comments on the MFJ-1278 TNC. Good or BAd. I am
>thinking of getting one but have heard bad comments on them. Any
>comments would be appreciated. Thanks.
>KEN-WB7NEX-Tucson

Ken

I have an MFJ-1278 and it works well.  I suppose the old line is, what
do you want it to do.

1) VHF Packet - Works very well.  Solid as a rock (1200baud)
2) HF Packet - This is where I think it can improve.  There is an
upgrade you can get  DSP, I gather it is digital signal processing
which is supposed to dig signals out of the noise a lot better.  It is
about $200aus.
3) Check to see if the firmware rev is 3.14, it supposedly has
enhanced mailbox options.
4) Have had a bugger of a time, at times to get the thing out of kiss
mode and back to ax25.  I don't know if it is the tnc or the packet
program.

I do not use it for sstv, cw or any other mode except for packet.  I
spoke to some retailers who started to say it wasn't worth upgrading a
dinosaur and that I should direct my money into a new one..

I am going to keep my mfj on vhf packet and will be looking for a
Kamtronics for HF.  Unfortunately here is OZ, you have to buy before
you try so I am a little reluctant to part with $700aus and find out
it is no good !!!

If it fits your need, DON'T hesitate, you've got to use it, no one
else.  I coughed up $150aus second hand which is a steal here !!!

Cya

Pete
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