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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:10:46 1995
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Subject: Re: CW for Tech Class ?
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 17:38:07 GMT
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In <422pgn$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Alex Shrom) writes:
>
>>I'm pretty new at ham radio, and I'm wondering:
>>is there anywhere someone with a Tech license can
>>practice CW on the air?
>
>Yeah, anywhere you want.  In fact, the first .1 MHz of the 6 and 2
>meter bands are reserved for CW (_not_ MCW).  Seriously doubt anyone
>would be listening for bona-fide continuous wave on VHF and up,
>though; then again, I'm new to ham radio, too, so don't take my word
>for it on that last point.
>
>--
>
>Alex Shrom  -  [e-mail]  -  Major: History of Cat Art
>Princeton '98 http://www.princeton.edu/~ajshrom  Minor: Yes, unfortunately
>
Actually, quite a few of us VHF weak-signal-chasers/DXers hang around the
calling frequency of 144.200 looking for others using either SSB or CW.

Dave

P.S. There's also the satellite bands on 2 meters, 70 centimeters, etc where
quite a bit of CW gets used.



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:10:47 1995
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Subject: RB394 Volunteers-Images & Issues 7/7
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To:   Emergency Management Agencies via Amateur Radio
Info: Communications Volunteers in Government Service
Info: Amateurs U.S. (@usa:Information), ACS, CAP, MARS, RACES
By:   Auxiliary Communications Service (ACS), the volunteer
      communications reserve of the State of California
      Governor's Office of Emergency Services

RB394 Volunteers-Images & Issues 7/7 Release Date 9/4/95
Continuation:

You won't get good professionals unless you deter and ease out
the prima donnas. Never let any volunteer group be the tail that
tries to wag the dog. Groups are outsiders detached from govern-
ment. [This series refers to units where the people are signed up
with you (as emergency manager) to work for, and with, YOU." They
work for YOU through your Radio Officer.]

Such unpaid volunteers may seem special and different. In a way,
they are, but also there are more of them out there than we
realize. It is well worth the effort to reach out and find them.

It is reasonable to ask for and expect long term commitment of
any potential applicant. This alone may be the most effective
point to dissuade "joiners." Make it clear that every volunteer
will be working with paid professionals; thus we expect every
volunteer to be equally professional.

A potential volunteer must be told all of this before applying
and being accepted for unpaid employment. Doing so minimizes
problems and misunderstandings down the road. It is a good idea
to put these expectations in writing before anyone is given an
application. The State of California Auxiliary Communications
Service uses such a two-page definition of expectations. This
approach maximizes a long term relationship and productivity with
and by each unpaid professional.

In summary, a COMMUNICATIONS VOLUNTEER IN GOVERNMENT is an unpaid
agency staff member who serves typically two or more times a
month in task oriented work or assignments. This is a person who
meets the criteria that we would employ that person if budget was
no object. Their work or service may be either in or away from
the office; that depends upon the individual's skills and duties.
Such volunteers are expected to attend reasonably required
training and meetings that will keep the Radio Officer and
assistants informed, up-to-date and integrated into the daily
affairs of the agency.
Series end.

ACS Addresses:  2800 Meadowview Rd., Sacramento, CA. 95832.
Ph: 916-262-1600. FAX [phone]. Landline BBS: 916-262-1657.
[e-mail] or Internet [e-mail] or [e-mail].
EOM



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:10:49 1995
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From: "T. Hanson" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: $1,800 WEEKLY! MAILING OUR CIRCULARS
Date: 1 Sep 1995 03:39:00 GMT
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[e-mail] (Igor Chudov @ home) wrote:
>John L. Rouse ([e-mail]) wrote:
>* Bell-Northern Research <[e-mail]> wrote:
>* >
>* > Come and visit our WWW site we may be able to help you advertise your mail
>* > order business.  We offer many different types of jobs and income opportunities
Isn't it funny how by you spamming back you get your site spammed all
around.  When will you self appointed internet police learn to ignore the
post, and mail the postmaster.


>* > for everyone!!
>* >
>* > http:******
>* >
>* Boy, this really has a lot to do with ham radio, doesn't it?
>* Just another example of the greedy in hot pursuit of the
>* greenback without actually spending money for advertising..
>* I see this is also copied to alt.current-events.russia. Lots
>* of potential there -- get your kiosk on the Internet, hi...
>
>Just mail to his postmaster.
>--
>    - Igor. SCS&R Yellow Pages: http://www.galstar.com/~ichudov/index.html
>   For public PGP key, finger me or send email with Subject "send pgp key"
>"There is something sexy about a computer nerd."   - actress Sandra Bullock


--

Sincerely,
Todd H. Hanson

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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:10:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Art Winterbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Date: 1 Sep 1995 07:40:36 -0600
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The CW test really is an initiation rite, in my opinion.  After all,
I've operated CW for years, and one problem I see that is not
addressed by the CW test is poor sending ability.  When I was a
VE, we did not administer a sending test, only a receiving test.
Yet when I get on the air, probably 10% of the stations I try to
copy are almost un-copyable due to a bad fist.  Better that people
be tested (say, every 10 years?) to see if they can handle a key
of some kind.  Also, I'd be in favor of a change in rules that
would allow HF phone privileges to those who have passed the technical
exams, allowing them onto CW once they've passed at least a sending
test to ensure they can emit a copyable signal.


--
Art
[e-mail] OR [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:10:51 1995
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Subject: Mods for Yaesu FT-2500M
From: [e-mail] (John Palinkas)
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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 1995 09:32:00 -0500
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This message was originally addressed to ALL
and a blind carbon copy was sent to you.
                    ----------------------------------------
I am looking for any mods. for the Yaesu 2 meter FT-2500M mobile.  I
would appreciate any reply.

[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:10:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kris I. Mraz)
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Subject: Info on this cellular xvcr
Date: 1 Sep 1995 09:32:20 -0500
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Timeline, Inc. is selling a surplus "Cell Site Tranceiver". It transmits
in 666 channels from 870.030 - 889.980 Mhz and receives 45 Mhz below these
channels. It puts out 1.5 w and requires a 18.990 Mhz signal for the
frequency synthesizer plus 26 VDC. Cost is $99.00

Has anyone had any experience modifying these for the 900 Mhz ham band?


73
Kris AA5UO
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:10:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
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Subject: STILL WANT: Gonset Com. IV manual/sch.
Date: 1 Sep 95 12:55:37 -0800
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STILL LOOKING...

Hello.  I would like either the original or a photocopy of a manual
including schematic for the Gonset Communicator IV 2m AM rig.  Also,
I have a friend who is interested in the same for the Communicator III.

Please email me.

Thanks and 73--
Ken


--

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Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:10:54 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: ARLB084 W1AW/126 operation
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB084
ARLB084 W1AW/126 operation

ZCZC AG51
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 84  ARLB084
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  September 1, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB084
ARLB084 W1AW/126 operation

W1AW will be participating in the Hiram Percy Maxim 126th Birthday
Memorial Celebration from September 1 at 8pm EDT, 0000z to September
3, 4pm EDT, 2000z. W1AW/126 will be on the air from 160 to 2 meters
to contact amateurs. We will work CW, SSB, and RTTY, and hope to put
you in our log.

During this special operation, W1AW will not transmit code practice
or CW, RTTY or SSB bulletins.  We will return to our regular
schedule starting with the 2000z September 3 CW code practice
transmission.  Details are on page 58 of August QST.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:10:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Butch Magee)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How do i find out my exact Longitude/latitude ?
Date: 1 Sep 1995 14:27:44 GMT
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Bob,
  For a beam heading program you do not need to know the EXACT lat-lon.
Look in your phone books yellow pages, front part that describes city
government and local attractions, lat 'n lon will be there.
  But if you really want it nailed down, point to one of the numerous
web sites that has call sign lookup.

Butch KF5DE


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:10:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Butch Magee)
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Subject: Re: Secret Station on 30 Meters?
Date: 1 Sep 1995 14:58:33 GMT
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Dave,
  I could tell you who and where that secret spy station is,...but then
I'd have to kill 'ya. :^)

Butch KF5DE


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:10:57 1995
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Subject: ARLP037 Propagation de KT7H
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SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP037
ARLP037 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP06
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 37  ARLP037
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  September 1, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP037
ARLP037 Propagation de KT7H

Solar activity was up a bit over the past week, with average Sunspot
Numbers increased by about 29 points and Solar Flux up by about 7.
Solar flux peaked just above 80 last week, and is now headed slowly
down.  Flux values should start increasing again after mid-
September, reaching current levels by the end of the month.

Near the end of solar cycle 22 we are seeing very little geomagnetic
activity, so conditions are stable, but HF propagation is poor.  The
A index, a 24 hour indicator of geomagnetic stability, was only in
the double digits twice during the past week.  Many days have had 3
hour K indices of zero, which is as low as it can get.  The K index
is a short term indicator of geomagnetic conditions.

Look for slightly active geomagnetic conditions around September 5
and 6 and again to a somewhat lesser degree around September 10 and
11.  These events will be caused by recurring coronal holes,
rotating back into position on the Sun.

In September we have the Fall equinox on September 23.  Look for
better seasonal HF conditions, although there won't be any help from
solar activity.

Sunspot Numbers for August 24 through 30 were 40, 59, 63, 49, 33, 21
and 19, with a mean of 40.6.  10.7 cm flux was 77.1, 77.1, 77.3,
79.9, 81.6, 78.1 and 77.4, with a mean of 78.4.

The path projection for this week is to Turks  Caicos Islands (VP5)
from Tucson, Arizona, Omaha, Nebraska and Cleveland, Ohio.

From Tucson 80 meters looks good from 0100z to 1100z and 40 meters
from 2300z to 1300z.  30 meters could be open around the clock on
some days, but the worst time is from 0730z to 1100z and the best is
from 2330z to 0500z.  20 meters should be good from 1430z to 0200z.
17 meters should be open most days from 1700z to 0000z.  On some
days 15 meters may open from 1900z to 2200z.

From Omaha check 80 meters from 0000z to 1100z, 40 meters from 2200z
to 0600z and 40 meters again from 1100z to 1300z.  30 meters should
be open from 1230z to 0400z.  20 meters should be open most days
from 1600z to 0000z.

From Cleveland 80 meters should be open from 2300z to 1100z.  40
meters may be open around the clock, with the best period from 0000z
to 1030z and the poorest period from 1500z to 1900z.  Check 30
meters from 1030z to 1200z and again from 1400z to 0500z.  20 meters
should be open from 1200z to 1430z and also from 1930z to 0200z.  17
meters should be open most days from 1430z to 0000z, with the best
time from 1700z to 1800z.  On some days 15 meters may open from
1700z to 2230z.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:10:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Cell phone use on planes?
Date: 1 Sep 1995 17:33:42 GMT
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In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (John Rice) writes:
/In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Abraham Stavsky) writes:
/>
/> Why are 800 MHz cellular phones forbidden on air carriers when
/> the same airline offers cell phone service to its passengers using
/> a credit card?  Any logic here?

It is illegal to use cell phones in the air period. They were designed
for ground use only. Using one in the air would cause problems with
many cells. A hospital here tried to get approval to use one on a
medical helicopter to connect to a computer but were turned down. They
ended up using some CAP freqs they borrowed in the 133MHZ area.

The phones on airlines are not the same thing as ground cell phones. I
believe they go to a satellite and then to the ground.
Jim

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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:10:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Yaesu's Internet address?
Date: 1 Sep 1995 17:38:05 -0500
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In the past, I have received some very nice responses from Yaesu via E-Mail.
For some reason, all my messages are now bouncing back from Yaesu.  I was
wondering if anyone knew if Yaesu has discontinued using E-Mail or if they
simply changed their Internet address.  I was using Yaesuusa.aol.com.

Any information would be appreciated.

73!
Tom Lewis




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Sandy Lynch)
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Subject: Re: THE NEW DX REFLECTOR
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Frank R. Smith ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Amir 4X6TT has started up a new DX Reflector.  This one is unmoderated and
: welcomes Real DXers to join in the lively discussions on DXing.  It encourages
: freedom of expression, fresh ideas, exchange of innovative and creative
: thinking - no censorship, no "List Fuhrer" this time.

$5 says that this new "people's reflector" (named since there's apparently
no facist "List Fuhrer" dries up and blows away within a few months for
a few very simple reasons:

   1)  What real DX and DX-pedition related info will appear on the
       the "New DX Reflector" that will NOT appear on the existing one?
       What's the "competitive advantage" to use a marketing term?

   2)  Market-share.  The existing DX reflector ... run by that
       seemingly facist "List Fuhrer" has over 1000 subscribers
       world-wide as opposed to the >100 who signed up to this
       "new reflector" within only it's first days.  A nice start,
       to be sure ... and perhaps a place for those who want to
       continue discussions on whether or not DX Nets are a good
       or bad thing and other such "stimulating" (snork) topics. ;-)

       On the other hand .... if such topics ARE moved to the new
       reflector.... then those on the "original" DX reflector won't
       have to wade thru the sometimes massive numbers of messages
       containing such drivel.

  3)   I assume that with the exception of a few folks (how many is it
       anyway?  5? 10? 30? 100?) who have been either temporarily or
       permanently removed from the "original" DX reflector, most
       subscribers will likely receive posting from BOTH reflectors.
       If that's the case .... how long will it take before subscribers
       start seeing lots and lots of duplicate postings for things
       like the ARRL and OPDX bulletins (which already show up here
       on this USENET newsgroup as well)?  That'll be about the time
       that folks starting looking for the FAQ to figure out how to
       unsubscribe.

       So the real "advantage" that the new DX reflector will have over
       the pre-existing one is to enable those who have an axe to grind
       and/or want to talk about the evils of this or that subject will
       have a place to congregate.

       Hmmmmmmmm..... on second thought .... I wish the very sincerest
       best wishes to the founders and subscribers to the "new" DX
       reflector and hope they achieve an overwhelming success!  :-)


Frankly, I wouldn't have bothered posting anything here except for the
"List Fuhrer" comment ......    Activities founded in a negative prostest
to something else rarely succeed as often as those who have a truly
positive and innovative idea.  Nicht wahr?  (oops .... does that make
me a lemming for the "List Fuhrer"?).    :-)


Cheers
Sandy
WA6BXH
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary McClellan)
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Subject: re: THE NEW DX REFLECTOR
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:07:44 MST
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Sandy Lynch) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Sandy Lynch)
>Subject: Re: THE NEW DX REFLECTOR
>Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 18:01:16 GMT


>Frank R. Smith ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Amir 4X6TT has started up a new DX Reflector.  This one is unmoderated and
>: welcomes Real DXers to join in the lively discussions on DXing.  It encourages
>: freedom of expression, fresh ideas, exchange of innovative and creative
>: thinking - no censorship, no "List Fuhrer" this time.

>$5 says that this new "people's reflector" (named since there's apparently
>no facist "List Fuhrer" dries up and blows away within a few months for
>a few very simple reasons:

You"re on, Sandy!!!

>   1)  What real DX and DX-pedition related info will appear on the
>       the "New DX Reflector" that will NOT appear on the existing one?
>       What's the "competitive advantage" to use a marketing term?

Sandy, this issue doesn't relate to "DX and DX-pedition related info"...
If you've been on the internet any length of time, you surely must realize
that there is a ton of DX information available...
What started this sorry affair is Lyndon's PUBLICY belittling AA2DU for
committing the heinous crime of quoting a large block of text from a prior
post, and then adding a one-liner commentary...

After Lyndon implored us poor idiots to read the guidelines relevant to his
reflector (and he of course had to use the "GD expletive") I took the time to
actually READ his FAQ... and found him to be a hypocrite.  And I remarked as
much publicy.  So he canned me (and a few others for their comments).  I knew
he would react that way  :)


>   2)  Market-share.  The existing DX reflector ... run by that
>       seemingly facist "List Fuhrer" has over 1000 subscribers
>       world-wide as opposed to the >100 who signed up to this
>       "new reflector" within only it's first days.  A nice start,
>       to be sure ... and perhaps a place for those who want to
>       continue discussions on whether or not DX Nets are a good
>       or bad thing and other such "stimulating" (snork) topics. ;-)

>       On the other hand .... if such topics ARE moved to the new
>       reflector.... then those on the "original" DX reflector won't
>       have to wade thru the sometimes massive numbers of messages
>       containing such drivel.

I believe last count was 600+... but don't quote me.
I'm glad you aren't editing the DX Magazine.. what a drag  ;-)

>  3)   I assume that with the exception of a few folks (how many is it
>       anyway?  5? 10? 30? 100?) who have been either temporarily or
>       permanently removed from the "original" DX reflector, most
>       subscribers will likely receive posting from BOTH reflectors.
>       If that's the case .... how long will it take before subscribers
>       start seeing lots and lots of duplicate postings for things
>       like the ARRL and OPDX bulletins (which already show up here
>       on this USENET newsgroup as well)?  That'll be about the time
>       that folks starting looking for the FAQ to figure out how to
>       unsubscribe.

>       So the real "advantage" that the new DX reflector will have over
>       the pre-existing one is to enable those who have an axe to grind
>       and/or want to talk about the evils of this or that subject will
>       have a place to congregate.

>       Hmmmmmmmm..... on second thought .... I wish the very sincerest
>       best wishes to the founders and subscribers to the "new" DX
>       reflector and hope they achieve an overwhelming success!  :-)

Thanks OM.. for publicy flaming Mr. Smith, I declare you "unsubscribed"
from this newsgroup!!  :)


>Frankly, I wouldn't have bothered posting anything here except for the
>"List Fuhrer" comment ......    Activities founded in a negative prostest
>to something else rarely succeed as often as those who have a truly
>positive and innovative idea.  Nicht wahr?  (oops .... does that make
>me a lemming for the "List Fuhrer"?).    :-)

I agree.. I really don't like the wording "list fuhrer" at all - but I can see
where he got the idea from...


>Cheers
>Sandy
>WA6BXH
>[e-mail]

Adios amigo!
Gary
KD7E
[e-mail]



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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Scaraglino)
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Subject: Re: LO? what is it?!
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Local Oscillator !!

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Frank Scaraglino           [e-mail]       KA2FWC




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Floyd Adams)
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[e-mail] (Butch Magee) wrote:

>I have a Kenwood tr-7950 that does not have the optional tu-79 tone unit
>installed.  Kenwood says that option is no longer available.  does any
>one know of a way to build one?  The local repeaters are all using 100Hz
>tones, so thats the only one I will need.
>Any info about how to make one or how to modify another unit to work in
>the 7950 would be appreciated.

>Thanks,

>Butch KF5DE

Butch, It shouldn't be that hard to put in an aftermarket tone board.
The factory board will only let you set it up for three different
frequencies, if I remember correctly.  If you only need one frequency,
I would look at one of the miniature tone boards that Communications
Specialists sell.  They are available from a lot of the mail order
places.  They are very simple to hook up.  The original factory tone
board plugged into a small plug on the 7950.  My guess it was a B+,
GND and tone into the radio line.  Even if it is not, you can call
Communications Spealists and they will tell you where to connect their
boards on most radios.  I hope this helps....73's  Floyd  WD5ENJ



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David R Tucker)
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Subject: Re: CW for Tech Class ?
Date: 1 Sep 1995 21:47:24 -0400
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[e-mail] wrote:
: Hi,

: I'm pretty new at ham radio, and I'm wondering:
: is there anywhere someone with a Tech license can
: practice CW on the air?

: Just wondering.

Sure!  Depending on what you mean by "can."

If you mean, "where is it legal to send CW," the simple answer is,
anywhere you can transmit at all. [97.305a] Probably your best bet
above 50 MHz for "real" contacts is the bottom of 2 meters, or maybe 6
if propagation is really good.  Satellites are another good place.
(146.94 is not a very good place for "real" carrier-on-and-off CW).
It's also legal to send M(odulated) CW anywhere on 6 and above except
for 50.000-50.100 and 144.000-144.100, where only CW is allowed.  This
means you can feed the audio of a keyer/oscillator into your FM rig on
an FM simplex channel or (with the permission of the licensee/trustee)
over a repeater (even .94).  Some repeaters have evening MCW nets for
practice, which are easy to start with permission and a bit of
publicity, since it only takes 2 check-ins to go full speed ahead.

Technicians who have passed their 5 WPM have a number of HF options,
of course.  For those who haven't, the truth is that the exam tests
receiving skills; practice sending if you want (certainly before
getting on the air), but the bulk of your time is probably better
spent learning the characters if you don't know them all yet.
Fortunately, receiving practice is easy: instructors, tapes, W1AW,
on-air QSOs and such are always available, and 5 WPM doesn't take too
long to master.  Two-way conversations are (frankly) a lot more fun,
but they're easier when you know all the characters!

-drt

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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard McAllister)
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Subject: Re: CW for Tech Class ?
Date: 01 Sep 1995 23:03:30 GMT
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In article <422pgn$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Alex Shrom) writes:

>>I'm pretty new at ham radio, and I'm wondering:
>>is there anywhere someone with a Tech license can
>>practice CW on the air?
>
>Yeah, anywhere you want.  In fact, the first .1 MHz of the 6 and 2
>meter bands are reserved for CW (_not_ MCW).  Seriously doubt anyone
>would be listening for bona-fide continuous wave on VHF and up,
>though; then again, I'm new to ham radio, too, so don't take my word
>for it on that last point.

Well, I always make a few CW QSOs in every UHF and VHF contest, and with my
peanut-whistle signal on 6 meters I find CW is the best way to get heard
during the sporadic-E openings. So CW is certainly not unknown on the high
bands! But I wouldn't recommend it as a way of getting "random" code
practice -- it's not against the regs, but as Alex points out, it's just not
likely there will be anybody listening.  Pre-arranged practice, like getting
a local group together and doing scheduled on-air practice would be fine,
just don't expect to start beeping on the calling frequencies and raise
somebody very often.  And regularity is important when trying to build code
skills.  For random, unarranged, on-air code practice your best bet is to
get to 5WPM via off-air methods (and copying W1AW), pass element 1(a), and
then get on the Novice bands.  You usually WILL be able to find somebody on
40 meters!  Trying to do a live on-air QSO before you can copy 5WPM would be
kind of frustrating, anyway.

Rich, KO6CL

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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:09 1995
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Subject: IPS Daily Report - 01 September 95
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 01/2330Z SEPTEMBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 01 SEPTEMBER AND FORECAST FOR 02 SEPTEMBER - 04 SEPTEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  74/11

GOES satellite data for 31 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   1.6E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 6.3E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A3.2
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             02 Sep             03 Sep             04 Sep
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 02 Sep:  74/11

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 31 Aug
    Learmonth        5  2221 1121
    Fredericksburg   3                           2
    Planetary        7                           5

Observed Kp for 31 Aug: 1011 2232
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
02 Sep     6    Quiet
03 Sep    10    Quiet to unsettled
04 Sep    18    Quiet to active
COMMENT: Quiet to active levels are expected 4-6 Sep, due to a
recurrent coronal hole.
-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
01 Sep      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
02 Sep      normal         normal         normal
03 Sep      normal         normal         fair
04 Sep      normal         fair           poor

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
01 Sep    31    Near predicted monthly values apart from 15-30%
                enhancements 15-19UT.

Predicted Monthly T index for September: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
02 Sep    30    Near predicted monthly values during local day and
                15-30% enhanced at night.
03 Sep    30    As for 02 Sep.
04 Sep    30    As for 02 Sep.
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: 15-30% depressed 09-14UT, with occasional
Sporadic E layer.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: 15-30% depressed 09-12UT, with night-time Spread F.

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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David F. Kurth)
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Subject: Re: How do i find out my exact Longitude/latitude ?
Date: 1 Sep 1995 23:18:17 GMT
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BUDDY10 ([e-mail]) wrote:
: How do i find out my exact longitude & latitude , so i can use a beam
: heading program ?
: Thanks !

If you have telnet access...

type the command:

        telnet martini.eecs.umich.edu 3000

after the period (.) prompt, type your city's name.  For example, here is mine
for Colorado Springs, CO

Trying...
Connected to martini.eecs.umich.edu.
Escape character is '^]'.
# Geographic Name Server, Copyright 1992 Regents of the University of Michigan.
# Version 8/19/92.  Use "help" or "?" for assistance, "info" for hints.
. Colorado Springs

0 Colorado Springs
1 08041 El Paso
2 CO Colorado
3 US United States
R county seat
F 45 Populated place
L 38 50 02 N 104 49 15 W
P 215150
E 6008
Z 80900 80901 80903 80904 80905 80906 80907 80908 80909 80910
Z 80912 80913 80914 80915 80916 80917 80918 80919 80920 80921
Z 80925 80926 80928 80929 80930 80931 80932 80933 80934 80935
Z 80937 80940 80941 80942 80943 80944 80945 80946 80947 80950
Z 80962 80970 80977 80997


The line that starts with "L" is the lat and long.  If you're not
in a town, or want to get to the street level, you'll need a map.

Dave N0UVR


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:12 1995
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Subject: This Week in Amateur Radio #127 (for air through 9/8/95)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 95 23:40:23 -0500
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Here is a summary of news items covered on edition #127 of
"This Week in Amateur Radio", North America's satellite-delivered
audio bulletin service, for the week ending 9-Sep:
-
1.   World Radiosport Team Championship Re-scheduled for 1996
2.   ARRL Officials Meet with UN Representatives
3.   Amateur Killed, One Injured in Accident on Montserrat
4.   German Cosmonaut to Fly Aboard MIR, Upgrades Expected
5.   Indiana Balloon Launch Next Week for Educational Facility
6.   "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
7.   "The RAIN Dial-up" from Chicago
8.   Upcoming Special Event Stations with George Bowen, N2LQS/126
9.   Hiram Percy Maxim 126th Birthday Party Begins Saturday
10.  Weekly Propagation Forecast
11.  "Amateur Radio Newsline" - Edition #942 from Los Angeles
-
Satellite time and uplink equipment have been provided by SKYVISION
as a service to the amateur radio community.  Funding to access
"Newsline" was provided by a grant from the Stoddard family and
users of the KF9MP repeater system in North Webster, Indiana.
-
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is a weekly amateur radio news and
information service, in audio newsmagazine format, which is produced
by Community Video Associates, Inc., a New York State not-for-profit
corporation based in Albany, New York.  The program is carried on
the "Tech Talk Network" each Saturday at 8:00 PM (EDT) on the
Telstar 302 commercial communications satellite, transponder 21
(11V), 5.8 MHz wideband audio (4.120 GHz), located at 85 degrees
west longitude in geosynchronous orbit, and can be heard on various
VHF/UHF repeaters throughout the United States and Canada, as well
as on 160 meters at 1860 kHz.  Contact your local amateur radio club
or repeater operator if "This Week in Amateur Radio" is not being
heard in your area.
-
Production and transmission expenses are underwritten by
contributions from repeater system operators, amateur radio clubs,
and individuals.  For further information, contact George Bowen,
N2LQS, at 518/283-3665, or Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB, at
518/664-6809.  You may also reach them via amateur packet @
WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA or on the Internet to [e-mail]
or [e-mail].



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
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Subject: Re: CW for Tech Class ?
Date: 2 Sep 1995 00:47:09 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
: Hi,

: I'm pretty new at ham radio, and I'm wondering:
: is there anywhere someone with a Tech license can
: practice CW on the air?

   Anywhere above 50MHZ.  :-)

   Seriously, if you have access to an all-mode rig, try the low end
of 2M.

- Rich


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gerald Phillips )
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Subject: DJ580T mod question
Date: 2 Sep 1995 00:57:28 GMT
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I am atempting to do the extended receive mod. on my DJ580T.  I know
that you are supposed to cut the red wire, but I want to make sure
which wire you cut.  With the unit's display facing up and the bottom
removed you can see a "red" loop wire that is about the same size as
the blue one, and then there is a small "orange/red" wire at the top.
I believe I cut the larger loop which is red and not the smaller loop
that is orange/red.  If anyone can clear this up for me I would greatly
appreciate it.  Thanks and 73.

KE4MBD - Travis


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:15 1995
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Subject: HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE BBS
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (au )
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Subject: Best Ham Mag?  73 of course!
Date: 2 Sep 1995 04:40:45 GMT
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How anybody can read QST is quite amazing.  Yes they have improved over
the years.  But still the same old BORING stuff.

CQ is cool if your into contests or an occasional construction article.

73 is the "other" ham magazine.  Full of entertainment value even if
you don't like ole Wayne!  Plenty of construction articles and columns.
Heck even the DX columns are interesting.  Keep it coming Wayne!

Your opinions?


(excuse me while I climb into the flame proof suit)


George N7BUI


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeremy Turner)
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Subject: LAST CODE MESSAGE (I Hope)
Date: 2 Sep 1995 05:16:29 GMT
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I hope this is the last debate posting about CW.  I am 14, a sophmore in
high school, and yet I have had the time to upgrade from no-code tech to
Advanced in about 6-7 months.  If a 14-year old can find time around
all the things teens like to do, can't anyone else do it?  The hardest
step is the one where you turn on the computer, or radio or whatever, and
get the pad of paper, and pen, and copy code.


73 es cul de Jeremy, KO6RM
Long Live CW!

"You can do anything you want if you put your mind to it."
                        -Doc, on Back to the Future (?)


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Date: 2 Sep 1995 07:11:29 GMT
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In article <41o7is$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Robert
Moldenhauer) writes:

> I think the whole license structure needs to be reexamined.  It is silly
> to force people who only want to do things like packet radio, slow scan
> TV, etc to learn Morse Code.  On the other hand you may want to restrict
> some bands to code only for people who want to communicate that way.  We
> already have no-code technicians anyway.

The problem is that this is SUPPOSED to be an incentive licensing system. I
started out as a Tech and moved up to Extra because I wanted more out of the
hobby, hence the incentive to upgrade.

I hate to say it but completely dropping the code will trash out HF as it has
done to 2m and in some areas 70cm bands.

Tony

--
== Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR
== [e-mail]
== Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a nation.


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Crestohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: 2 Sep 1995 07:12:23 -0400
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Barry Titmarsh <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>[e-mail] (Emarit Ranu) wrote:
>>>
>>>       Burt...
>>>       If you suggest that being a citizen of a country whose government
>>>       is "racist" makes the citizen racist him/herself you need to
>>>       reevaluate your method of thinking.
>>
>>Birds of a feather flock together.
>>(there are EXCEPTIONS but they are only exceptions).
>I have to agree, Sorry But Liveing in Germany for the Past 5 years
>very the most unplesant experiance Glad to return Home and away.
>I have had better relations with liveing in the former USSR, where
>its soposed to be very Communist like..
>Germany seems to be run like a dictatorship, if you dont conform your are
>Ignored  Inc the hobby as Ham.Radio. ;-((
>
>Barry EX DC0HK
>
>

Barry:

This is just about the biggest load of nonsensical crap I've seen in a
long time.

I have lived in Germany (Berlin) for nearly six years in total - late
sixties, mid seventies and late eighties.  I also made several trips to
the former USSR.  Rather than go into specifics, I feel I am in a
position to offer my opinion that you are full of shit!  Even someone
with your limited command of the English language should understand that!

Take an English course, upgrade your license from the VHF-only one you
apparently hold, or get laid!  Go away and don't bother us again!

Michael Crestohl,
KH6KD/W1



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John B. Lawrence )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: [?] Radio Shack hand-held frequency counter
Date: 2 Sep 1995 09:05:50 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> David Chapman
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>   I see from a 1994 Radio Shack catalogue that they were offering a
Digital
>Hand-held 1 - 1300MHz Frequency Counter for $99.99 (Cat.No. 22-305).
>
>   I will be visiting the U.S. shortly and wonder whether anyone can
tell me
>whether this unit is good value for money - or not.  I'm not expecting
such a
>small device to be very accurate, but it could be useful to me when I
need to
>determine the approximate frequency of small transmitters that I
encounter
>from time to time. I'd be interested to know at what range it might be
able to
>pick up and read the frequency of, say, a 100 milliwatt 160MHz
hand-held Tx.
>
>   Any comments, alternative suggestions (at similar cost) will be
much
>appreciated.
>
>       TIA  -  Dave    G3NGK
>
>--
>David C.Chapman - Chartered Engineer. FIEE.
([e-mail])
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>expertise in the fields of counter-surveillance, electronic protection
>and security as well as down-to-earth lectures for non-technical
people.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
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I had one but sold it because I needed the money. I found it to be a
good accurate unit for the price. However, you must physically touch
it's antenna to the antenna of the transmitter to get an accurate
reading. I was able to use it to check my 2m HT set on Hi power (5
watts) from about two feet away, but any lower power setting required
physical contact. An o'scope probe can be hooked up to it if there is
no antenna on the transmitter you are testing.

John
KE6TGN


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Calling pagers with autopatch?
Date: 2 Sep 1995 09:53:20 GMT
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Another ham told me the other day that calling a pager using autopatch is
illegal.  Is this true?  Some of my ham buddies carry pagers, and
sometimes I page them with the frequency that I want to talk to them on if
I can't find them on a repeater, or if their radio is off.
Jerry Wang (KE6UUX)



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Yaesu's Internet address?
Date: 2 Sep 1995 10:04:07 GMT
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Thomas Lewis ([e-mail]) wrote:
> In the past, I have received some very nice responses from Yaesu via E-Mail.
> For some reason, all my messages are now bouncing back from Yaesu.  I was
> wondering if anyone knew if Yaesu has discontinued using E-Mail or if they
> simply changed their Internet address.  I was using Yaesuusa.aol.com.

> Any information would be appreciated.

> 73!
> Tom Lewis
Yaesu has their own site now running on Linux.  You can find them at
yaesu.com




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (fritz-o-matic)
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Subject: Re: Best Ham Mag?  73 of course!
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[e-mail] (au ) wrote:

->How anybody can read QST is quite amazing.  Yes they have improved over
->the years.  But still the same old BORING stuff.

->CQ is cool if your into contests or an occasional construction article.
->
->73 is the "other" ham magazine.  Full of entertainment value even if
->you don't like ole Wayne!  Plenty of construction articles and columns.
->Heck even the DX columns are interesting.  Keep it coming Wayne!

->Your opinions?


->(excuse me while I climb into the flame proof suit)


->George N7BUI

        I don't see a whole lot of difference between the various ham
magazines. Granted CQ is a bit more contest oriented than the others
but to me they all are a rehash of each other. By rehash I mean they
all seem to have very similar if not identical articles, an article by
about VE7PMR's solar powered packet node appeared in the August issue
of 73. The same or very similar article appeared in CQ this summer. I
only occasionally see QST in the book stores but I would hazard a
guess that there was a similar article in it. So write one article and
get paid two or three times.
        I prefer QST for equipment reviews and 73 for the columns.
Construction articles seem to be almost always about QRP rigs no
matter what magazine. The antenna issues are a joke. If I read one
more article about how to build a J-pole I'm going to scream!
        I don't think any of the magazines are worth the cover price. I go to
the public library to look them over and if there is something that
makes an issue special I'll go out and by it.  Just my opinion, that
and a quarter won't even buy you a cup of coffee...
73 de N4JVP/NH
Fritz

On a QSL from FO0SSJ to N4JVP - "oh to be in 4-land when 80 is open to Asia"



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
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Subject: Re: Best Ham Mag?  73 of course!
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:35:57
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In article <428n8d$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (au ) writes:

>How anybody can read QST is quite amazing.  Yes they have improved over
>the years.  But still the same old BORING stuff.

>CQ is cool if your into contests or an occasional construction article.
>
>73 is the "other" ham magazine.  Full of entertainment value even if
>you don't like ole Wayne!  Plenty of construction articles and columns.
>Heck even the DX columns are interesting.  Keep it coming Wayne!

>Your opinions?

QST is for the Ads.  The rest of it is mediocre.
CQ is for people who call "CQ CONTEST!"

I've written two articles for 73.  The thing I don't like is the small type,
and the placement of Ad's in the middle of an article.  QST does the
articles better, as the article will be complete without Ad's.  The reason
73 uses small type is so they can get more pages in.  They only have
about 80,000 subscribers and can't charge enough to the advertisers
for big type pages.  The reason 73 has so few subscribers, is there are
so few Hams.  QST is in a lot of Libraries in the country, while 73 is
non existent outside of the rare magazine rack sale.

Magazines are really weird about articles though.  You send them an
article.  They say they want the rights for it, and offer you about $50 a
page (payable some time in the future, but usually the month it's
published).  If you say yes, you are locked in.  I had one article
rejected by 73 after one year!  I got a package in the mail, and it was
my submission that I totally forgot about.  They said they didn't want
it any more.  I'm still waiting to get paid for my July article.  I wrote a
letter asking when they were going to pay it, but I guess my editor has
had her arms broken or something.  I think with the hostile attempt to
put the magazine out of business by their California editor, they are in
deep financial trouble.

--
Steve



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James B. Pennino)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Best Ham Mag?  73 of course!
Date: 2 Sep 1995 10:39:26 -0700
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au ([e-mail]) wrote:
: How anybody can read QST is quite amazing.  Yes they have improved over
: the years.  But still the same old BORING stuff.

Different strokes for different folks, though I too am not thrilled
with them; could use more practical technical stuff like "the old days",
say before the 80's.


: CQ is cool if your into contests or an occasional construction article.
:

'Bout sums it up...


: 73 is the "other" ham magazine.  Full of entertainment value even if
: you don't like ole Wayne!  Plenty of construction articles and columns.
: Heck even the DX columns are interesting.  Keep it coming Wayne!

You mean the J-Pole Digest? Nothing wrong with 73 that an editor with
some knowledge of electronics in general and RF in particular couldn't
solve.

: Your opinions?

Bring back Ham Radio magazine.


Jim Pennino WB6DKH



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James B. Pennino)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: LAST CODE MESSAGE (I Hope)
Date: 2 Sep 1995 10:58:01 -0700
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Jeremy Turner ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I hope this is the last debate posting about CW.  I am 14, a sophmore in
: high school, and yet I have had the time to upgrade from no-code tech to
: Advanced in about 6-7 months.  If a 14-year old can find time around
: all the things teens like to do, can't anyone else do it?  The hardest
: step is the one where you turn on the computer, or radio or whatever, and
: get the pad of paper, and pen, and copy code.

Not likely...

I am 50 and got my license while in high school; the debate was on then.

The only thing that has changed in the debate over the decades is the
current lack of use of morse code outside the ham bands. For example,
back when I first joined the Army, everyone was given a morse code
ability test in Basic Training and it (morse) was used heavily by the
military. This was used as a justification for continued morse testing
of hams, i.e. to provide an emergency pool of operators. Since virtually
no one but hams use morse anymore, that arguement has gone away.

Nothing else in the arguements has changed over the decades; I've heard
it all many times before and 30+ years of the same debate with the same
pros and cons is really boring.

Personally, I wish morse testing would be dropped just to end the damn
debate.

Jim WB6DKH



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Guido Sansoni)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: kenwood IF10C for TS140
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 1995 11:58:25 GMT
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Hallo everybody!
For a fiend of mine:
He cannot find anymore the IF10C for his TS140.
Now: there is someone that can send me the image of the eprom?
He has  the schematic diagram of the interface, but without the eprom
he cannot do anything.
Or: tell me a place where we can find the interface and they can send
it in Italy.
Greetengs from

        Guido Sansoni
        swl I0382/RM
        E-mail to: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Wayne Day)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: LO? what is it?!
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 1995 12:21:51 -0500
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In article <427ao0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> Hello, i am wanting to build a 2.3GHz transverter, yet i have NO idea what the
> LO input is or what i connect to it! i have looked at the ARRL handbook and
> ARRL uhf/microwave project man. yet they do not explain it at all.
> i will be trying to build the 2.3GHz xverter in the arrl book, and useing
> either a 2m HT for IF or a 2m mobile.
>
> what do i do about LO?
>

LO is an abbreviation for LOCAL oscillator.  The LO is mixed with the
incoming signal to produce an output at your IF...

What do do about an LO? Gotta build one, or provide an RF signal of the
appropriate level from a test instrument, signal generator, etc.

73 Wayne KF5ZC

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 Wayne Day KF5ZC  Fort Worth,Texas,USA                          |
   CompuServe: 76703,376   Internet: [e-mail]   |  ,__o
    or                     Internet: [e-mail]               |--\_<,
   Member: Bicycle Mobile Hams of America                       (*)/'(*)
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Wayne Day)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: bicycle rig
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 1995 12:37:09 -0500
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In article <41stq4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Skip
LaFetra) wrote:

>
> BMHA  (Bicycle Mobile Hams of America)
>   P.O. Box 4009
>   Boulder, Colorado  80306
>   (Hartley Alley, NA0A, editor)
>
>   20m net 1st & 3rd Sundays of each month
>   14.253 MHz +/- QRM
>   2000 UTC & again 4 hours later at 2400/0000

And just to add we also can be found on our mailing list:

   [e-mail]

73 Wayne KF5ZC

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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher E. Brown)
Subject: RCA MCA39AA11B Info needed
Message-ID: <927cb$[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 1995 13:11:19 GMT
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Greeting all, I am looking for data on the final amp sections of an
RCA MCA38AA11B 155 mhz transciever.  I am turning it into a 2 meter
amp (give a bit of a boost to the HT) and am trying to find
safe drive levels etc...

The first trasnistor in the string is a

7794-1 7803
then a
7795-1 7815
then a
7796-1 7707
and finally a pair of
7797-1 7815

Would any of you have the specs on these avail?? I have tried to find
locally
but I do not have the books and hte local library is well short on anything
electronic related.

Also there is a small pin on the bottow of the amp near the power inputs
that just runs to the circut board just to one side of the transistors.  I
assume this is the bias supply, if so how many volts are needed for proper
operation?  I assume bias should be applied only when the  amp has input and
the output is connected to the feedl;ine via the relay.  Right??


--
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (EdwardL934)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How do i find out my exact Longitude/latitude ?
Date: 2 Sep 1995 13:37:20 -0400
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I found my longitude and latitude from my aprs program. I was able to
locate my QTH in a 6 figure grid square .
73 Ed KE6KEP


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (tim woo)
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any info on when the gates will open for tnetw vanity calls,when the
610-v is ready?

                              "From Me to You"
                       HAM CALL:  |  [e-mail]
                    Fly with Raptorman! (Dust-Off three-
                      -six [1969 South East Asia])



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Gilbert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way! NOT!
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 95 14:51:38 GMT
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In article <41t5k5$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
>>  >I think the whole license structure needs to be reexamined.  It is silly
>>  >to force people who only want to do things like packet radio, slow scan
>>  >TV, etc to learn Morse Code.  On the other hand you may want to restrict
>>  >some bands to code only for people who want to communicate that way.  We
>>  >already have no-code technicians anyway.
>
>Seems that there should be SOME "limiting factor"... Could be $$, but that
would keep poorer people out..
>If anyone could simply go answer a few questions and get a license, you'd
have another CB..
>Total waste of time trying to use it for anything but play. Too many
people...
>Like the only use for Morse might just be to keep the thing open enough for
the few willing to go the extra...
>
I have read countless articles on both sides of the issue and really think
that I have managed to keep an open mind. I can state several reason why the
code requirement needs to be retained and have not as yet come up with a good
reason why it should be removed. I'll not rehash all my thoughts as they have
been debated more eloquently by others ...

I am a no-code tech licensed in 1992 and, although I could probably cite many
excuses for not having acquired CW skills, the bottom line is that I have just
not done it. Period. I hardly think that lack of effort - and that is what it
all comes down to - constitutes reason for changing regulations that would
flood the bands with folks who really have no business being there. I would
love to have the priviledges of a higher class license, and one day I will
... but I believe that getting there should be a result of having learned the
necessary skills and not the result of crying 'poor me'!


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:34 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 2 Sep 1995 15:04:51 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation, Chandler, AZ
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In article <[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>just how do you build a FM transmitter using a carbon mike directly?

Use the carbon mike to vary the voltage on a varicap in the oscillator.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:34 1995
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From: "John L. Rouse" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Best Ham Mag?  73 of course!
Date: 2 Sep 1995 16:10:42 GMT
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[e-mail] (au ) wrote:
>
> How anybody can read QST is quite amazing.  Yes they have improved over
> the years.  But still the same old BORING stuff.
>
> CQ is cool if your into contests or an occasional construction article.
>
> 73 is the "other" ham magazine.  Full of entertainment value even if
> you don't like ole Wayne!  Plenty of construction articles and columns.
> Heck even the DX columns are interesting.  Keep it coming Wayne!

> George N7BUI

Sure. "73" is the best of the ham magazines; and the GEO is the best
car on the road. Pleeeeease....

73, John KA3DBN

John L. Rouse                  Packet: KA3DBN @ KA3RFE.md.usa.noa
Capital-Gazette Communications CServe: 71574,661
[e-mail]             Netcom: [e-mail]
FAX: [phone]



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Reed)
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Subject: Re: NA Software
Date: 2 Sep 1995 18:36:14 GMT
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NA refers to the North American logging program by Dave K8CC.
It is sold for him by LTA, PO BOX 77, New Bedford, PA 16140
Telephone [phone]

NA is currently at version 9.20

I have  used this program since the shareware version 4.23 was
released and find it to be excellent. For smaller computers and laptops
with floppies only it is better that CT by K1EA.

NA will do anything needed in  contest logging  and from my viewpoint
its ability to user define the color scheme is important.

NA also has  "build your own" contest mode where you set the rules
and define the contest. I am using NA 9.20 this week to log the ARRL
Maxim Birthday Celebration with my own defined contest template.

73, Bob, WB2DIN




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alex Shrom)
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Subject: Re: LAST CODE MESSAGE (I Hope)
Date: 2 Sep 1995 18:38:44 GMT
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In article <428pbd$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeremy Turner) writes:

>Advanced in about 6-7 months.  If a 14-year old can find time around
>all the things teens like to do, can't anyone else do it?  The hardest

Well, except for time spent burglarizing my own house to support a
recreational drug habit, I think I had more time as a 14 y/o than
ever.  6-7 months as a 14 y/o is all anyone needs to get to 13
wpm--maybe even 20.





--

Alex Shrom  -  [e-mail]  -  Major: History of Cat Art
Princeton '98 http://www.princeton.edu/~ajshrom  Minor: Yes, unfortunately



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Reed)
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Subject: re: THE NEW DX REFLECTOR
Date: 2 Sep 1995 18:38:58 GMT
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Amir Bazak 4X6TT has started a new DX Reflector. This was
in  responce to some heated words between the sponsor of the
DX Reflector out of Canada and several users regarding tense
words regarding strict enforcement of the sponsors rules.

The new 4X6TT DX Reflector was created with the promise of
it being an unmoderated, uncensored forum where everyone may
speak there minds freely on any facet of DX.

To subscribe to the 4X6TT DX Reflector send a message to

 ADDRESS :     [e-mail]
  SUBJECT :     SUB
         TEXT :     SUBSCRIBE 4X6TT-DX

Do not put any more in the message than the above it will be
an automatic robot responce.

To send a posting to the 4X6TT DX Reflector send it to

               [e-mail]

During the first day there were over 100 subscribers added
to the mailing list with many more expected as word gets out
of its availablity.
                            73, Bob, WB2DIN
 




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: THE NEW DX REFLECTOR
Date: 2 Sep 1995 18:45:22 GMT
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Sandy,

In the first 48 hours of the 4X6TT DX Reflector being operational
there were 600 subscribers placed on the mailing listby request.

The fact that this new DX list has grown so rapidly should show the
need that it has met in providing a new forum.

I can't explain  the sudden personal problems that developed at the
VE7TCP  DX Reflector but it would  seem  that several people have
decided to follow the group away.

I will contiueto view both mailers but one can only wonder what took
placebehind  the scenes to create this division.

73, Bob, WB2DIN



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HT use with aviation headset?
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 1995 20:05:28 GMT
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[e-mail] (Robyn Lyn Lempicki) wrote:

>Has anyone used a David Clark headset with an amateur HT?  I have a Yaseu
>FT-411 and my friend has the Radio Shack HT.  I use the headset with my ICOM
>A21 aviation radio, but I am not familiar with the mike key wiring in all of
>these radios.  Has anyone tried this or figured it out?  We don't want to risk
>blowing something in the radios, but would like to do a little aero-mobile
>work when we fly around.  Thanks!  -Gerry

How to do it is about a day's work with Radio Snick parts.  If you
want me to go into the details, I'll be glad to (RST Engineering does
this sort of thing in its audio panels to interface aircraft headsets
to business band and other FM-type radios).  If you just want to buy a
readymade box, Icom as well as (I believe) some other folks I saw in
Trade-A-P make a $100 box.  Your choice.  $5 and a day's work or $100
and plug-n-play.  Lemme know email or here.

Jim



Jim Weir VP Engineering  | "I turned to my wife, as startled as the
RST Engineering          | pilot by what I'd seen.  Dirt-streaked,
Grass Valley CA 95945    | glorious, she smiled at me, tear-bright
voice/fax [phone]   | radiance.  'Richie, they're going to try
[e-mail]         | for it!' she said, "Wish them love!'" (Bach)



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
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Subject: Vanity Call Sign Info Needed
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 1995 20:23:13 GMT
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Anybody got a site or info on the Vanity Call Sign program?
Specifically, what calls are available, what the dates for application
for Extras and Advanced, and all that good stuff.  By the time most
magazines get it into the news column, the deadlines are months old.

Thanx

Jim WB 6 BHI  (Whiskey Bottle Six The Big Hairy Indian)


Jim Weir VP Engineering  | "I turned to my wife, as startled as the
RST Engineering          | pilot by what I'd seen.  Dirt-streaked,
Grass Valley CA 95945    | glorious, she smiled at me, tear-bright
voice/fax [phone]   | radiance.  'Richie, they're going to try
[e-mail]         | for it!' she said, "Wish them love!'" (Bach)



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Reddy Biggs)
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Subject: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONE
Date: 2 Sep 1995 20:36:05 -0500
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Subject: Re: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONE

Curtis Wheeler ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Actually there is.  See part 22.919 in the FCC's rules.  And 18 USC 1029
: for the use of counterfeit access devices. In addition cloning phones in
: California is also enforced with section 502.6 and 502.7 of the penal
: code and CPUC tariff 3T, rule 19-B2.  Your mileage may vary in Texas.
: All of these are used to enforce the prohibition of cloning ESN's and
: none offer an exemption for your own, personal phone.

: Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA

Curt,

I posted the text of 18 USC 1029 but apparently Usenet ate it, since I
never saw it reflect back to me. Persons interested in the actual text
can download it from www.

This code includes all access devices...your computer password, your ATM
card, your Visa card number, your long distance credit card... and for
the edification of others, is a general way of handing fraud.

The issue here is, what is fraud ?  Can you defraud yourself ?

Each paragraph in this code includes the requirement "with intent to
defraud". Perhaps California is different, but here in Texas you cannot
defraud yourself. It would be no different from using your internet
access password from more than one computer. It's ok to use your own
code, but NOT somebody else's.

Fraud would be commited when you used somebody else's ESN with the intent
to get free phone service. In our case, we have a valid account, and
intend to pay for the service.

Re: FCC rules.  I am curious why FCC rules would be interpreted
differently by SW Bell than by PacTel/Air Touch. I will look this up, and
get back to everyone.

But Curt, your 18 USC 1029reference is bogus. We'll see if  the FCC one
checks out.

Could you post the relevant text of the CA Penal codes ?

Curt, remember your posts go worldwide. If your state legislators have
screwed you, don't extrapolate it to the rest of us.


 --
William C. Biggs , MD
KC5JIF                            Howdy from the High Plains of Texas
1900 South Coulter Drive
Amarillo, TX 79106


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|     1900 South Coulter Drive      |                                   |
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Reddy Biggs)
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Subject: Re: Cellular cloning-FCC rule
Date: 2 Sep 1995 21:37:38 -0500
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Subject: Re: Cellular cloning-FCC rule

Curtis Wheeler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Wayne_Estes) wrote:

: >
: >Now that many people have both mobile and portable cellphones, system
: >operators could possibly allow customers to use two phones (with different
: >ESN's) on one account.  This would require a modification of their account
: >verification procedures, and would definitely cause problems when both phones
: >are on at the same time.  When receiving calls, only one phone should respond
: >to the pages from the cellular system.

: The service is now being offered (from what I hear) by GTE Mobilnet in
: California.  The program does not require altering the ESN of the second
: phone.  The catch is only one of the phones is considered the primary
: phone.  And only the primary phone may roam to another system.
              ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^

Makes cloning your own sound better all the time, doesn't it!!!

Wayne, why doesn't Motorola take the lead on this , and develop
unalterable phones with identical ESNs, just like the lock companies sell
two locks that have the same key ??

Charge extra for the service. You'd sell MILLIONS !!


-- William C. Biggs , MD
KC5JIF                            Howdy from the High Plains of Texas
1900 South Coulter Drive
Amarillo, TX 79106



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Brown)
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Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 1995 22:33:55 GMT
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[e-mail] (Michael Crestohl) wrote:

>Take an English course, upgrade your license from the VHF-only one you
>apparently hold, or get laid!  Go away and don't bother us again!

>Michael Crestohl,
>KH6KD/W1

        So much for the "CW is a lid filter" argument...

        There is evidence that would allow a reasonable person to conclude
that many Germans are racists.  Witness the increasing neo-Nazi
groups, "Tuerken raus!", and the like.  No, I don't believe it is a
true reflection of the society, but I see how people can conclude
otherwise.

        "I won't go into specifics, but you're full of crap!"  What the hell
kind of argument is this?  In other words, you're into the famous
"proof by assertion," apparently; we should believe you just because
you said so
--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS
[e-mail], NOT [e-mail]
Don't tread on me.



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:45 1995
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 02/2330Z SEPTEMBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 02 SEPTEMBER AND FORECAST FOR 03 SEPTEMBER - 05 SEPTEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  73/9

GOES satellite data for 01 Sep
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   2.5E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 5.5E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A2.4
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             03 Sep             04 Sep             05 Sep
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 03 Sep:  73/9

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: mostly quiet.

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 01 Sep
    Learmonth        6  3112 2121
    Fredericksburg   5                           3
    Planetary        5                           5

Observed Kp for 01 Sep: 2011 1131
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
03 Sep    10    Quiet to unsettled
04 Sep    15    Quiet to active
05 Sep    20    Unsettled to active

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
02 Sep      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
03 Sep      normal         normal         fair
04 Sep      normal         normal         fair
05 Sep      normal         fair           poor

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
02 Sep    38    Near predicted monthly values during local day and
               15-30% enhanced at night.

Predicted Monthly T index for September: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
03 Sep    30    Near predicted monthly values during local day and
                15-30% enhanced at night.
04 Sep    30    As for 03 Sep.
05 Sep    30    As for 03 Sep.
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: 15-30% depressed 05-14UT, with occasional
Sporadic E layer.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: mostly near predicted monthly values, with night-time
Spread F.

--
IPS Radio and Space Services      | email: [e-mail]
PO Box 5606                       | WWW: http://www.ips.gov.au/rwc/
West Chatswood NSW 2057 AUSTRALIA | FTP: ftp://ftp.ips.gov.au/users/rwc/
tel: [phone]                | fax: [phone]


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:46 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ACC NOTES
Date: 3 Sep 95 00:58:29 GMT
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Does anyone have the ACC Notes for the following time periods:

MAY 85 to MARCH 86
APRIL 87 to SEPTEMBER 87
APRIL 88 to MARCH 1992
SEPTEMBER 92 to SEPTEMBER 93
MARCH 94 to TODAY

I can send you a SASE and include the cost for photocopying/hassle.

Thanks in advance.

Joel - N7KOJ - [e-mail]

<end>


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Abraham Stavsky)
Subject: PL tones for 2-meter repeaters in France?
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Are they necessary?  Anyone with info?
Thanks
KE6OCM
--
pax vobiscum


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RSell87265)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Scanner Modifications
Date: 3 Sep 1995 01:30:58 -0400
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I'm interested in any info on modifications to ICOM IC-Z1A hand held ham
radio and a Trident TR2400 scanner (haven't seen ANY info on this, they
say it can't be done).
Reply to me to this ID or at [e-mail]

Thanks in advance,

Roger


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:49 1995
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From: Terry McComb <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Newbie Questions, Just Starting
Date: 3 Sep 1995 01:39:32 GMT
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Christian: a couple of things & I'm sure you will get other replies -

1) Why wait to sudy for your codeless? Learn while you study - get a
study guide at Radio Shack or someplace & go to it. You can listen too,
but why not do both. Then go for your upgrade when you get used to
radioing on 2 meters, 6 or whatever.

2) I'm not sure if your scanner has a BFO or sideband mode, but you will
need it to listen to just about all activity on the HF bands. Most
scanners will pick up 2 meter fm, but not too many will allow you to
listen to sideband.

3) Why put all your money into scanners & receivers. Buy a 2 meter
transceiver so you can get on the air as soon as you get your license.

Just some thoughts - Good Luck!.........Terry KD4GBO




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
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Subject: Re: Crystal Radio Information?
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   gaspo <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Greetings all!
>Does anyone have any references (anything at all!) to Crystal
>Radio construction?  i know how they work, and built one way back
>when, but could use some schematics or instructions so we can build a
>couple in class!  The easier the procedure, the better!

Radio Shack sells a crystal AM radio kit for $6.99.  It doesn't get
any easier than that.  :)


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dick DiVittorio)
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Subject: Re: WANTED: Gonset Comm. IV man./schematic
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Harrison) says:
>
>Hello.  I would like either the original or a photocopy of a manual
>including schematic for the Gonset Communicator IV 2m AM rig.  Also,
>I have a friend who is interested in the same for the Communicator III.
>
>Please email me.
>
>Thanks and 73--
>Ken
>
>
>--
>
>__________________________________________________________________________
>Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
Hi Ken, I have a photo copy of the manuel you need. I will be happy to provide
you with a photo copy. I am not sure of the 4th generation quality however.
E-mail me with your address and I will let you know what the coping will cost
as well as the postage. By the way I am using this with my 6m AM Comm IV am it
seems to be OK... If you know of a proper manuel for this rig pse let me know.

73, Dick


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Charles Morrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2 Meter Amps and 440
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 95 06:34:08 GMT
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In article <NOMSGID_1=3A109=[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Roger Cravens) wrote:
>
>I wanted to quote the entire message, but also needed some views from
>those who have quite a bit experience with Kenwood Multi-Bands.  I am
>considering the purchase of Kenwood's TM-742A dual band mobile.
>
>Have you experienced any problems with it?

Roger,

I own the 742, and aside from a glitch in the squelch circuit, I've had
nothing but praises for the radio.  Think it works absolutely fine.

As for the amp, look at RF concepts new model.  Off hand I dont recall the
exact one, but they've got a high powered Dual Band for sale, but its in the
touchy $700 range you mentioned.

Charlie


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:53 1995
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Subject: Hams really suck?
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 95 08:06:32 EST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Recently I wrote a message about a Cape Cod ham where he made comments
that were unflattering about Jewish people on the 147.045 repeater. The
message was posted and only one comment was received. Other Cape Cod
hams just looked the other way and I feel Cape Cod hams are similar to
ALL hams. Are hams like the Germans of the 193O's?:

  [Written by Martin Niemoeller, the German Lutheran pastor arrested
  by the Gestapo and sent to Dachau concentration camp in 1938; the
  Allied forces freed him in 1945:]

    In Germany, the Nazis first came for the Communists, and I
  didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.  Then they came for
  the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.  Then they
  came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I
  wasn't a trade unionist.  Then they came for the Catholics, but I
  didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.  Then they came for
  me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.

This same ham also made hateful comments about kids and was a regular
participant in the wars on 14.313 and I sent yet another comment out
about that and zero responses.

Recently I engaged several hams on the air and was very careful NOT to
volunteer any information about myself but I asked the hams about them.
I asked them about their jobs, their kids, their other hobbies, where
they were from etc. NOT ONE HAM gave a God damn about me. Not ONE asked
me a thing about my interests, my job, my kids, my life. It is not only
me. When I listen it is rare for any ham to show any actual interest in
the PERSON they are talking to.

I realize many that know me via ham radio and postings on the internet
think I am a nut case (which I will not deny). And call me that if you must
but please the only thing worse than calling me a typical ham is to call
me a child molester. A ham radio operator usually is a clone of an uncaring
cliche filled machine. Hams are not human. They waste valuable radio
frequency spectrum with total babble. It is rare for a ham to provide a
meaningful public service and almost as rare for a ham to educate
himself or others in the world of technology.

The F.C.C. is well aware of this but there are many hams in the F.C.C.
and the F.C.C. is controlled by the hams "N.R.A.", the American Radio
Relay League. If Congress ever becomes aware of the waste of radio
spectrum the hams will have had it (although most of them have had it
anyway as their average age has risen from 27 in 1960 to 54 today). It
is rare for any young person to be interested in ham radio.

It is easy to see why.

Burt.

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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Clemens)
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Subject: Re: Info-Hams Digest V95 #755
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At 6:11 PM 9/2/95, Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup wrote:

 * Info-Hams Digest            Sat,  2 Sep 95       Volume 95 : Issue  755
 * Info-Hams Digest            Sat,  2 Sep 95       Volume 95 : Issue  756


Is there a reason I get so many issues from Info-Hams?  Both of these are 28K...

And all those goodie files that are attached. Many have errors and don't
make it and fewer still have anything of interest... would it be better to
just announce the file and give the URL?  Certainly we could save the
bandwidth...


--
Richard Clemens, Academic Computing      West Virginia Wesleyan College
[e-mail]              Buckhannon, WV 26201 [phone]




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Macintosh Ham Radio Software
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73,


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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Ham Radio Test Simulators - Mac
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               FREE - NEW Macintosh HAM TEST SIMULATORS

Studying for a ham test and have access to an Mac?

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The new Macintosh Ham Test Simulators are HERE (and there if you can FTP)!

              o Novice Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea
              o Technician Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea
              o General Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea
              o Advanced Ham Test 5.1 SA.sea
              o Extra Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea

The latest version "5" feature:

    HyperCard 2.3 as a stand-alone application (SA) eliminating
    your need to have HyperCard. All you need is a Mac with 4
    Meg of memory and version System 7 or greater.

    Each version "5" Ham Test Simulator has the latest questions
    as prepared by the Question Pool Committee.

    Each version "5" Ham Test Simulator is FREE OF CHARGE and work the
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You may obtain a version "5" Ham Test Simulator by mailing me a *FORMATTED
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Each version "5" Ham Test Simulator is also bundled with a shareware CW
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Also included in the version "5" collection are text files that relate an
interesting variety of ideas about the best way to study CW and prepare
for tests.

Or warm your phone line and get JUST the tests:

           America On Line - Macintosh Ham Radio Section

or:

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(Aug 30th)
ftp://oak.oakland.edu//pub3/hamradio/mac/theory-and-morse/ExtraHamTest.sea.bin
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Your comments and suggestions for future versions are always welcome. Stay
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and good luck with YOUR next test!


73,


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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
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Subject: Re: THE NEW DX REFLECTOR
Date: 3 Sep 1995 13:24:31 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Robert Reed) says:

>Sandy,
>
>In the first 48 hours of the 4X6TT DX Reflector being operational
>there were 600 subscribers placed on the mailing listby request.
>
>The fact that this new DX list has grown so rapidly should show the
>need that it has met in providing a new forum.
>
>I can't explain  the sudden personal problems that developed at the
>VE7TCP  DX Reflector but it would  seem  that several people have
>decided to follow the group away.
>
>I will contiueto view both mailers but one can only wonder what took
>placebehind  the scenes to create this division.
>
>73, Bob, WB2DIN
>
>

I am on both reflectors and have seen messages posted on each that aren't
on the other.

That makes it worth it to be on both!

73, Zack W9SZ


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (KD1YVJim)
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Subject: West. Connecticut Hamfest 17-Sep-95
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          THE WESTERN CONNECTICUT HAMFEST
Sponsored by the Candlewood Amateur Radio Association

Sunday, Sept. 17, 1995                      0900-1400
Edmond Town Hall                 Route 6, Newtown, CT
Tables inside                      Tailgating outside
ARRL Sanctioned                    Handicapped Access
Door Prizes                             Ample Parking
Refreshments                            Rain or shine

Talk-in 147.12/.72 PL 141.3

For table reservations ($10.00 each, includes 1 admission), mail to
Candlewood Amateur Radio Association, PO BOX 3441, Danbury CT 06813

For more info, phone [phone] or [phone].

Hope to see you all there.
73 de KD1YV
Jim


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:11:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (fred carey)
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Subject: Help with Ten-Tec model 255 Power supply !!!
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I am reparing a model Ten-Tec 255 power supply, for a  elderly blind
gentleman who has just given up cigars (after a heart attack) and
after being told he cannot smoke, found his beloved Omni had given up
the ghost! I gladly offered to take a look for him ( you can only
listen to classical music for so long...) as he is still one of the
best CW ops around. I found both power transistors open, (which I
replaced, however, I now have a problem with the reg board, a couple
resistors, and Q1 are smoked beyond recognition! The manuals have been
mis-placed, and I would be for-ever in the debt of someone who could
e-mail me the parts list, or better yet attach, a procom fax file of
the schematic. (gif, jpg etc.etc.)
Thank you for reading this...
Fred VE7FYO




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:12:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Foster)
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Subject: Icom ICR1 Users Manual Needed
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 16:38:38 -0400
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I'm looking for a users manual for an Icom ICR1 Hand Held.  If anyone has an
extra one or would like to sell a used manual please contact me.  My Internet
account will be changing in a few days, so I will list several E-Mail
locations that I can be reached at.  Thanks.

73
KE4CTS

[e-mail] (will be changed to [e-mail] next week)
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:12:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BILLO88)
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Subject: Re: Hams really suck?
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Burt,
      Forget two meters old man,  turn your beams down south to Alabama
and we'll ask you all kinds of good'ole questions. You can even practice
on your drawl!  As for Yankee hams, I've talked to them from time to time,
good conversations most of the time.  Tell'ya what Burt, they must have a
little cabin fever or something,  get on 28.375 when the conditions are
favorable and we'll talk up a storm!  We got one local from N. Minn.  If
we can break him of his northern ways (eating ludafisk) we can sure fix
you up.  Bill, AC4LC, and I mean it!
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:12:03 1995
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Subject: WB1O responds to ham molesters.
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Date: Sun, 03 Sep 95 11:54:00 EDT
From: WB1O@NS1N
To: K1OIK
Subject: Reply: DUMB

Hi Burt ... name is Don and the qth is Randolph MA.  Read with interest
your thoughts and comments on the hobby, and especially with respect to
your personal experiences lately.  It's unfortunate that those ethnic
comments were made on one or more occasions.  I'm curious if you broke into
the 'qso' at the time and stated your disgust?  If you merely continued to
monitor in silence, aren't you putting yourself in the same position as
those you accuse?  It's also possible that the persons involved do not
have packet capabilities and would therefore never see your response.  In
anycase, I certainly do NOT condone the situation as you've described, and
never have.  Amateur radio is definitely not the platform to discuss
racial and ethnic prejudices when they are conveying the hatred views,
rather than the issues in general.

Unfortunately, in our permissive society, no subject seems to be taboo, and
no medium is off-limits to the biggots out there.  I would certainly advise
you to speak out the next time such conversation is heard.  It's entirely
possible that others will join in and take a positive position with you.
A comment or two to the control operator of the repeater would certainly be
in order!

I will not comment on the rest of that situation, but would like to add a
few thoughts on the last part of your bulletin, namely the situation with
younger prospective hams (or lack of).  I'm 53 years old, and have been
licensed since 1977.  I was extremely enthusiastic about this hobby for a
long time, having had a curiosity on radio in general since a teen-ager.
The problem I faced then was not being able to share this enthusiasm with
anyone.  Back in the 50's, it was difficult to obtain information on things
like hobbys, except maybe stamp collecting or baseball cards!  OK, that is
probably an exaggeration, but I think you get my point.  Now, let's look
at the situation today.  Has it really changed all that much?  Pick up a
daily newspaper or check out the "news" on any local/national level on the
boob tube.  It's rare that you see mention made of "us".  WHY !!!!  I'll
suggest that public relations in this hobby is practically non-existent
EXCEPT within the amateur community.  Check out the League's endless
supply of literature and video offerings ... they are many, BUT who knows
about it except the amateur community?  Hell, you could make yourself
known to a crowd and maybe one or two out of a hundred would have even an
incling of who you are or what you actually do!  Now isn't that a statement
in itself?

The last comment I'd like to offer with regards to this hobby ... it's not
cheap!  How many "kids" have the resources to even consider getting into
it.  Let's not fool ourselves otherwise.  The days of building ones' shack
are long gone.  The've been that way for years.  Todays technology has
made that prohibitive, and the newer modes of operation make it impossible
to homebrew the hardware.  Robots put together the surface-mounted pc
boards now, not people.  Hell, even the manufacturers of equipment can't
really fix the goods they sell;  they just replace modules that fail with
new ones.

Having said all that Burt, let's look at one final observation.  Especially
with kids (of ALL ages), there are other alternatives for casual chance
meetings and conversation.  Internet and other on-line services provide an
almost limitless platform for this and offer a multitude of services.  Why
would a kid (not knowing any local hams) take the time to research our
hobby, invest whatever money he/she has in very expensive equipment ??
I sometimes ask myself those same questions, and I'm a "young" 53 !!  I
monitor the local repeaters about once or twice a week, and then shut the
radio off.  Just not worth the aggrevation anymore.  Sorry, but that's just
the way I feel about this hobby now Burt.  I'm a trucker by profession, and
keep a cb in the truck.  It brings me more enjoyment !!!  No egos to
feed on the 11 meter band .. can anyone say that about amateur radio.  The
one-upsmanship long turned me off.  I could care less about ones' shack, or
what antennas one has ... big deal!  Tell me something about yourself, and
don't tell me about the *&&&&^% weather!  Don't thank me for the qso after
the rst report either, 'cuz we didn't have one!

Sorry if I filled the screen on this one Burt, but you opened up old
wounds here.  I have a very casual opinion of amateur radio these past
few years and could care less about it.  I'll miss it when Uncle Sam finally
takes the hobby away from us, but won't lose any sleep over it.  The good
people down in Newington long missed the boat in dealing with reality.
They have always held official status with the FCC in representing the
hobby, but take a look at any issue of QST ... look at their paid
subscription numbers (which represent membership) ... it's never come close
to more than 40% of the total ham population of the U.S.A.  Now, isn't that
a statement !!  In anycase, thanks for giving me the opportunity to express
my feelings.  Best wishes and good luck!

                            DON - WB1O
                     AX25 TO:  WB1O @ WB1ERG.MA
               TCP/IP TO:  [e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:12:04 1995
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Terry Wood ([e-mail]) wrote:

: This is the only bug i have ever heard and i produced the
: thing as an experiment more or less.  Another guy posted an
: interesting article several months back saying that he
: had stayed in a hotel over there in the US and he picked up
: bugs on tables and in rooms...

A company whose name escapes me (Koni or Cony?) for the moment makes such
eavesdropping devices.  They use a nonstandard SCA type mode so good luck
picking them up on  a scanner.

Cheers!

Andy

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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:12:06 1995
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Subject: My response to WB1O (ham molesters)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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Date: Sun, 03 Sep 95 19:22:55 EST
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You said (WB1O):

I'm curious if you broke into the 'qso' at the time and stated your
disgust?  If you merely continued to monitor in silence, aren't you
putting yourself in the same position as those you accuse?  It's also
possible that the persons involved do not have packet capabilities and
would therefore never see your response.

I replied (K1OIK).

No I did not break in THIS time but several years ago when the same ham
made a remark about Jewish lawyers I did confront him FIRST on 20 meters
(14.313) and then again on the local 147.045 repeater. We really had it
out and he denied he was anti Semitic and went into a tirade about what
the definition of anti Semitism is. I think I should have confronted him
again but he gets off on face offs so I thought the back door approach would
be effective. He did have packet capabilties but has not been on to see
my remarks.


You said:
I would certainly advise you to speak out the next time such
conversation is heard.  It's entirely possible that others will join in
and take a positive position with you.  A comment or two to the control
operator of the repeater would certainly be in order!

I replied:

You are probably correct, partly, but no others will join in especially
here on Cape Cod. Cape Cod hams have no back bone, ZERO (except of
course the guy smearing Jewish people). The control operator is a great
guy but he does not "get involved."

You said:

Pick up a daily newspaper or check out the "news" on any local/national
level on the boob tube.  It's rare that you see mention made of "us".
WHY !!!!  I'll suggest that public relations in this hobby is
practically non-existent EXCEPT within the amateur community.

I repled:

Hams no longer matter. They do nothing any longer to advance technology
and they are a disaster in most disasters (but they are great at training
for disasters). Cell phones do the job most often and most hams are good
at getting fat and sitting on their butts. There is nothing for the
public to relate to. Certainly NTS "traffic" is a total waste.

You said:

The last comment I'd like to offer with regards to this hobby ... it's not
cheap!  How many "kids" have the resources to even consider getting into
it.  Let's not fool ourselves otherwise.  The days of building ones' shack
are long gone.  The've been that way for years.  Todays technology has
made that prohibitive, and the newer modes of operation make it impossible
to homebrew the hardware.  Robots put together the surface-mounted pc
boards now, not people.  Hell, even the manufacturers of equipment can't
really fix the goods they sell;  they just replace modules that fail with
new ones.

I replied:
Your point is well taken with one big exception. Ham radio is a very cheap.
I bought a Swan 240 in 1964 for $420, in today's money that is at least $2000.
And that rig was SSB only, three bands and not all of them and no bells
and whistles. Think of what you could buy today for $2OOO. My daughter
at age 8 bought her own rig for $75 of birthday money and talked to
Australia on it. It was an older Heath tube rig.

You said:

I'm a trucker by profession, and keep a cb in the truck.  It brings me
more enjoyment !!!  No egos to feed on the 11 meter band .. can anyone
say that about amateur radio.  The one-upsmanship long turned me off.  I
could care less about ones' shack, or what antennas one has ... big
deal!  Tell me something about yourself, and don't tell me about the
*&&&&^% weather!  Don't thank me for the qso after the rst report
either, 'cuz we didn't have one!

I replied:

CBers are usually stupid but they are very interesting and caring
people. Hams are very intelligent but care little of anything other than
themselves. Hams measure themselves by points in a contest whereas most
real men have a different way to measure their REAL accomplishments.
As far as myself I am a teacher of Electronics at Cape Cod Tech
(Vocational High School), we also have a broadcast station there
(WCCT-FM). Age is an elderly 50 years, and have been a ham for 35 years.
My daughter is KA1VBQ, she is fourteen years old. Oh, and I am
interested in weather, really!

Thanks for your most thoughtful response.

Burt

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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:12:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Presley)
Subject: Re: How do i find out my exact Longitude/latitude ?
Reply-To: [e-mail]
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Or... if you live around any military base contact Base Operations and they can
give you the coord. for your city/town.  Another option is if you have an
airport in your area.  They should be able to provide you that info as well

Tom Presley
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:12:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joel B Levin)
Subject: Re: Crystal Radio Information?
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In <[e-mail]>,
   Jim Martin <[e-mail] (Jim Martin)> wrote:
|[e-mail] (WB3U) sed:
|:>Radio Shack sells a crystal AM radio kit for $6.99.  It doesn't get
|:>any easier than that.  :)
|
|Uhhh....I found a bunch of 1N34A's at a yard sale in New Mexico and bought them
|all for fifty cents.  ...
|NEXT!  Anyone?  Easier than that? ;-D

Easy maybe, but it's really hard to play around with the cat's
whisker using that kind of crystal!  What fun is it without that?

        /J

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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:12:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Anderson @ Mpower)
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Subject: Re: Ultra-miniature Direction-finding Unit
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On behalf of Martin Landeros ([e-mail]), who wrote:


: On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, Mark Kinsler wrote:

: > >I've always thought it would be great if one could make a really small
: > >direction-finding unit that would be the size of a small calculator,
: > >including the antenna (something like James Bond would use).  I'm curious
: > >if anyone has ever tried making such a unit, and would like to share their
: > >experiences with it.  I've never gotten beyond the "thinking about it"
: > >stage myself.
: >
: > Am I imagining it, or did I see a very small direction finding unit that
: > used the GPS satellite in Popular Science or somewhere?   I think it cost
: > about a zillion dollars.  Anyone remember?
: >                                             M Kinsler
: >
: >
:       I just sow one last week on one of those catalogs found on Alaska
: Airlines, I think it was around 500.00 US $$.

:                               Martin.


Are you discussing direction, as in Lat/Lon, or are you discussing
RFemission direction, which I happen to be interested in ?

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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 03/2330Z SEPTEMBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 03 SEPTEMBER AND FORECAST FOR 04 SEPTEMBER - 06 SEPTEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  74/11

GOES satellite data for 02 Sep
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   2.3E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 5.1E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A1.6
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             04 Sep             05 Sep             06 Sep
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 04 Sep:  75/13

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 02 Sep
    Learmonth        5  2211 2221
    Fredericksburg   5                           5
    Planetary        5                           5

Observed Kp for 02 Sep: 1101 1231
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
04 Sep    15    Quiet to active
05 Sep    20    Unsettled to active
06 Sep    20    Quiet to active

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
03 Sep      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
04 Sep      normal         normal         fair
05 Sep      normal         fair           poor
06 Sep      normal         fair           poor

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
03 Sep    26    Near predicted monthly values, apart from 15-40%
                enhancements 09-15UT.

Predicted Monthly T index for September: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
04 Sep    30    Near predicted monthly values during local day and
                15-30% enhanced at night.
05 Sep    30    As for 04 Sep.
06 Sep    30    As for 04 Sep.
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: 15-30% depressed 09-15UT, with occasional
Sporadic E layer.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with night-time
Sporadic E layer.
Hobart MUFs: mostly near predicted monthly values, with night-time
Spread F.

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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:12:13 1995
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Subject: Does this ham hate Jews or not?
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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Date: Mon, 04 Sep 95 06:38:52 EST
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What do you think of the following message I received?

Date: Sun, 03 Sep 1995 21:55:54 -0400
To: [e-mail]
From: Ruthie Cunliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: ham??

Dear Burt,

Your bizzare ramblings in the misc ham newsgroup have been rather entertaining.


I'm curious as to why you bother keeping your ham radio license if you think
all hams are rotten to the core?

I'm also wondering if you are the least bit aware that if it hadn't been for
Jews in the first place, Hitler wouldn't have had any reason to go on a
rampage and possibly that would have spared the lives of many Germans,
Italians, Poles, Russians and many other ethnic groups?  Should we hate ALL
JEWS for even exsisting because if they hadn't possibly my relative would
...have been spared rather than put to death (not a Jew, a German who was ill
and was encarcerated and put to death during WWII)??  Thankfully I do not
live in the past nor do I carry hate and unforgiveness in my heart and soul.
My life is much better because I don't.  Try it, you might like it.

A couple points I thought about making in the newsgroup but since I am not
one to regularly frequent that newsgroup and also don't wish to embarass you

in public (you're doing that just fine all by yourself) I choose to make
these points in email:

YOU did not live through World War II.  YOU did not spend time in a
concentration camp.  YOU haven't a clue what the word NAZI means.  YOU don't
have much reason to be proud of your heritage as an American now do you???
How many Native Americans were slaughtered by Americans?  How many Africans
and other ethnic peoples were tortured and died due to being enslaved by
AMERICANS???  How many people died due to the AMERICANS using nuclear
warfare?? How many Jews, Germans and others died during WWII during the
intentional fire bombing of cities such as Dresden???

You should think about some of these things before you open your fat mouth.
If you're babbling in the newsgroup is just for entertainment then keep at
it and anyone who is not a ham and happens into that newsgroup will possibly
think that all hams are like you.  But if they stick around awhile they'll
realize that you're nothing but a bag of wind with little if no intelligence
behind what you say.  Oh..and the .gif file idea was a real scream!!

My sympathies, Burt, if you're doing this for more than
entertainment....your life must be really empty and full of hate.

CUL, Ruthie
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Ruthie Cunliffe (Hoffman), AA2IO      +
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+ [e-mail]              +
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+ Packet: aa2io@wb2vph.#wny.ny.usa.noam +
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Subject: IPS Solar and Geophysical Summary -  August 95
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SUBJ: IPS MONTHLY REPORT - AUGUST 1995
ISSUED BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.

1.     SOLAR-GEOPHYSICAL INDICES

                SOLAR   LEARMONTH   AUST
Day          10cm flux  A-INDEX    T INDEX
01 Aug           73        5         24
02 Aug           74        5         14
03 Aug           73        8         19
04 Aug           73        5         21
05 Aug           75        6         31
06 Aug           75        4         28
07 Aug           74        6         30
08 Aug           74       10         33
09 Aug           73       14         32
10 Aug           73       12         38
11 Aug           73        8         25
12 Aug           72        8         27
13 Aug           71        9         27
14 Aug           70       19         24
15 Aug           71       12         16
16 Aug           70        8         14
17 Aug           70       12          8
18 Aug           72        5         17
19 Aug           72        5         14
20 Aug           71        6         16
21 Aug           71        3         14
22 Aug           70        8         18
23 Aug           74        9         35
24 Aug           77        6         12
25 Aug           77        9         21
26 Aug           77        9         22
27 Aug           80        6         33
28 Aug           82        4         29
29 Aug           78       11         38
30 Aug           77        4         37
31 Aug           76        3         31


              10 CM  FLUX  SUNSPOT  NUMBER   A-INDEX       AUST    FLARES
                                            LEARMONTH    T  INDEX
                Monthly  Monthly    Yearly   Monthly     Monthly   >M1.0
Month           Average  Average   Average   Average     Average
Aug         94     76.1     22.8      26.8       8.8        23.5       8
Sep         94     78.6     26.7      26.6       9.6        24.8       0
Oct         94     87.7     43.8      26.5      15.0        12.1       1
Nov         94     80.9     18.0      26.3      10.5        25.3       0
Dec         94     84.1     26.7      25.7      10.5        24.5       1
Jan         95     82.7     23.8      24.3      10.9        18.6       0
Feb         95     85.6     29.9     *23.2      11.0        30.3       4
Mar         95     85.1     31.1     *22.4      11.7        28.0       1
Apr         95     77.7     14.6     *20.7      10.9        24.0       2
May         95     75.6     14.7     *19.2      13.7        15.4       0
Jun         95     75.7     15.8     *18.4       8.3        24.0       0
Jul         95     73.8     14.6     *17.3       7.1        21.7       0
Aug         95     73.8     15.1     *15.9       7.7        24.1       0

IPS Predicted (Yearly Smoothed) Sunspot Numbers (*)

Latest T-Indices for IPS Advanced Stand-Alone Prediction System-(ASAPS)
Last update: July 1995 Solar-Geophysical Summary

     Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
1990   152   128   135   129   127   138   137   138   142   137   123   133
1991   143   176   170   163   136   121   141   124   135   130   121   130
1992   152   173   156   134    96    80    89    66    67    66    84    89
1993   *75   *77   *79    64   *63   *65    62   *49   *37   *40    34    44
1994    58    44    44    26    18   *17   *23   *16    19    20   *20   *23
1995   *23   *33   *24   *14    *5    15^   14^   12^   10^    9^    9^    8^
1996     8^    8^    7^    7^    7^    8^    8^    9^   10^   11^   13^   14^
1997    16^   18^   20^   23^   25^   29^   32^   37^   42^   48^   53^   59^
* = New data. T index may have changed.
^ = IPS predicted T index



The IPS Monthly T-index is derived from the observed monthly median values
of foF2 for each hour at up to 40 ionospheric stations worldwide.
These records become available from IPS stations in Australia very soon after
each month, but the majority are received up to one year later.
This means that the exact observed value of the monthly T-index is not
available until some months later.

The predicted smoothed monthly T-indices are computed by using a statistical
analysis of the observed monthly T-indices for all solar cycles since 1938.
The IPS T-indices may not be updated each month but only when sufficient new
data becomes available.

===============================================================================

2.     FLARES AND SHORT-WAVE FADEOUTS - NONE

2.1     Comments on Solar Activity.

Solar activity generally remained at very low levels during August.

===============================================================================

3.     GEOMAGNETIC DISTURBANCES              (for Learmonth, WA)

DATE                     COMMENTS
14 Aug 95:  19    unsettled to active

Recurrent geomagnetic activity occurred 13-14 August. A slight increase in
activity was also noted 8-10 August, possibly indicating the start of a new
recurrent pattern.


===============================================================================

4.     IONOSPHERIC DISTURBANCES              (for Sydney)

No significant disturbances were observed in the Australian region during
August.

===============================================================================

5.     IPS WARNINGS AND ALERTS ISSUED

WARNINGS:
HF RADIO WARNING:
ISSUE DATE      NO       BEGIN           END
NONE ISSUED


GEOMAGNETIC WARNING:
ISSUE DATE      NO       BEGIN           END
18 Aug 95       20      20 Aug 95       21 Aug 95


ALERTS:
NONE ISSUED

SWF ALERTS AND DURATION REPORTS
DATE    SWF BEGIN-END (UT)
NONE ISSUED
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:12:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John B. Lawrence )
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Subject: Change WBFM to NBFM????
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I may purchase a military surplus RT-68/GRC 38 - 54.9mhz FM
transceiver. It uses wide-band FM. Any way to change it to narrow-band
FM? If so, how? I plan to use it for 6m operation.

Thanks

John
KE6TGN


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[e-mail] (Dan Brown) wrote:
>Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>       In this regard, Germany is little different than any other
>country--all countries have wars (except, perhaps, for the Swiss), and
>lots of people are killed in all of them.  Some of the wars don't even
>have any real purpose--witness Viet Nam.

Germany started two world wars that killed millions, no other country
caused MORE world wide grief in history. America had a very valid purpose in
Vietnam. To stop communism. We screwed it up but our ideal was correct.


>       One of the express purposes of the Amateur Radio Service is to foster
>international goodwill.  How will your anti-Germanic crap accomplish
>this?

My "crap" is a response to what Germany has wrought upon the world.
I bet if child molesters had their own pacific Island (not a bad idea) you would
want to work them to get another "country."

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                               [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:12:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BILLO88)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: WB1O responds to ham molesters.
Date: 4 Sep 1995 12:54:07 -0400
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
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      Don,  You said that there is no homebrewing anymore and lament that
fact.  In the same breath you say you don't care about antennas.....don,
don't you feel that antennas and building,designing them is ok subject
matter?  Homebrewing a rotable rhombic (just a dream of mine) or massive
curtain....that is about the last type of homebrewing most hams today
know.  (if any)
   When I get on the air and talk to a unresponsive ham on the air he or
she is usually new and it might take some very familar subject like
"antennas" to get a decent qso going and to help break the ice.    73 don
and don't speed through Cleburne Co. Al.  on I-20, they are waiting.
Bill AC4LC
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:12:20 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Floyd Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ICOM IC22S
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 13:47:52 GMT
Organization: Internet America
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[e-mail] (Guy Jackson) wrote:

>My HAM club at work is cleaning out the shack to generate money for new
>gear.  We have an old ICOM IC22S 2 meter transceiver that is crystal
>controlled.  I am interested in making the club an offer on this rig
>based on a few considerations.

>       1)  Can this old crystal controlled transceiver be used as a
>            dedicated packet radio with my KAM all mode?
>
>       2)  Are the crystals for this radio easily obtained?

>       3)  What would be a fair price to offer for this radio?

>If anyone can answer these questions or is familiar with this radio I
>would appreciate all responses.  Thanks and 73's de KC5CWS Guy Jackson

Guy, I'm not real familiar with the capabilities of the Icom 22S, but
I believe it is a diode matrix programmable radio.  This means you
solder a series of diodes in a matrix board to program the frequencies
that you want stored in the radio.  This radio later came out as a
22U, which was pushbutton (BCD) programmable.  The limitation, if I
remember correctly is that it is not set up for the current 2 meter
band plan.  It will work on some repeaters, but not all of them.  If
you are wanting to use it on simplex for packet, I would think it
would perform fine, although I am not familiar with its speed to
switch from tx to rx.  Since it is an older radio, it may not be too
fast.  The diodes needed to program the radio are readily available
and inexpensive.  As far as price, I would not value it too high.  I
hope this helped a little...73's  Floyd  WD5ENJ



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:12:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (MRI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Does this ham hate Jews or not?
Date: 4 Sep 1995 13:55:15 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
:
: What do you think of the following message I received?



I think is has no business being posted as a ham radio thread !!




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 04 15:12:21 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!clue.callamer.com!biggulp!ipham
From: [e-mail] (SLO County Amateur Radio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WANT GE PA TO HAM INFO
Date: 4 Sep 1995 14:06:54 GMT
Organization: SLONET Regional Information Access
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Looking for any info for changing GE Mastr II PA's so will work stable
on ham band.  100W PA will only put out 40W on 443 Mhz.  Any procedures
available other then changing all the capacitors on the board relating
to frequency splits?  Thanks for any info here or to: [e-mail]


--
SLO County Amateur Radio


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:33 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.delphi.com!usenet
From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: College Radio Clubs?
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 95 12:33:26 -0500
Organization: Delphi ([e-mail] email, 800-695-4005 voice)
Lines: 21
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <425334$[e-mail]> <42afpv$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1g.delphi.com
X-To: "Charles W. Doolittle-Scovish" <doolic>

Charles is right about RPI.  W2SZ is one of the premier college clubs in the
nation.  One other college club here in the Albany, New York area is that of
Union College, W2UC.  Union is also an engineering school in Schenectady, NY
with close ties to General Electric, Lockheed-Martin, and other corporations.
The W2UC club station is currently housed at The Schenectady Museum and
The museum club station recently
completed construction of a new HF antenna structure atop the Planetarium
rotunda with an 11 element log periodic antenna, which was purchased with
monies received as a grant from the Lockheed-Martin "Nova Society".
-
Amateur radio activity should not be a reason to make a decision on a college;
consider curriculum for your major, the percentage of recent graduates now
working in their chosen field, tuition and other costs, and grant and tuition
reimbursement opportunities.  But I can understand your need to know...!!
Good luck in your college pursuits!!

Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB
(former Lansdale/Doylestown, PA area resident)
Stillwater, NY
Assistant ARRL Hudson Division Director
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:34 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.delphi.com!usenet
From: Larry <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: T H E  S K Y W A V E  O N E  B B S !
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 95 12:53:48 -0500
Organization: Delphi ([e-mail] email, 800-695-4005 voice)
Lines: 5
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1g.delphi.com

                     -=T H E  S K Y W A V E  O N E  B B S !=-
                        *Where Communications Is Fun Again*
                 *Message Oriented*Ham Radio*SWL*Games*Doors & More*
            *Wildcatv.4.11*1200-14400 v.34 Access*Valhalla, NY*914-683-3788*
                           *Your SysOp-Larry Spinner N2ICZ*


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:35 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex!darwin.sura.net!sparky.servicom.es!usenet
From: Tony <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Scanner Modifications
Date: 3 Sep 1995 15:06:34 GMT
Organization: servicom.es
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Hallo, and excuse me for my poor English.
I am looking for a mood for escanner Commex Sacnner I, but I don`t know
where I can look for It.
Thanks for read this msg.
--
        * OP. ANTONIO GUERRERO
         * SP EA2ABJ @ EA2RCF.EAVI.ESP.EU
          * INTERNET E-mail = [e-mail]
           * QTH : APDO 677  CP 01080   VITORIA (SPAIN)
            * QTH LOC : IN82QU     E A 2 A B J




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:36 1995
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Subject: Info: J.Welch, N9JZW ??
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 95 15:34:07 EST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: HumberNet LSS
Lines: 18



Looking for a current e-mail address for John Welch N9JZW,
author of the "TechnoWhizzy" DDS controlled QRP transmitter
from the Dec.92/Jan.93 issues of 73 magazine.

Any help appreciated.

Hugh Duff  VA3TO  Toronto

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

--
---------------------------------------------------------------------
  HumberNet LSS (Learning Support System) - Humber College, Toronto
     "Tomorrow's communication and learning environment, today"
          Visit our Website at http://humnet.humberc.on.ca/



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:37 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail
From: Gareth Crispell <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: 3 Sep 1995 17:20:52 GMT
Organization: Craigville Conference Center
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I think this whole argument is based on a flawed premise. This is not
gestalt. A society is composed of individuals with many diverse opinions.
To say germans are racist is like saying white people are crooks; or
oriental men beat their wives. This of course is nonsense.  It is only
correct to say some white people are crooks and some oriental men beat
their wives. I realize this is painfully obvious, but it is equally
obvious that it is often overlooked.
I personally know many german people - beautiful, warm, and loving folks
who abhor racism in all its ugly manifestations !
--






                 ..as for the mysteries of the
                Universe...they knew them not...


  And in the time of their visitation they shall shine, and run
  to and fro like sparks among the stubble.

  gareth     e-mail    [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:38 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: 4 Sep 1995 00:23:36 GMT
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Gareth Crispell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I think this whole argument is based on a flawed premise. This is not
>gestalt. A society is composed of individuals with many diverse opinions.
>To say germans are racist is like saying white people are crooks; or
>oriental men beat their wives. This of course is nonsense.  It is only
>correct to say some white people are crooks and some oriental men beat
>their wives. I realize this is painfully obvious, but it is equally
>obvious that it is often overlooked.
>I personally know many german people - beautiful, warm, and loving folks


Some whites are crooks, a few orientals beat their wives, but Germany (and
thus German people) in two world wars killed TENS OF MILLIONS). Never again.

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                               [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:39 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Best Ham Mag?  73 of course!
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 95 01:26:59 -0500
Organization: Delphi ([e-mail] email, 800-695-4005 voice)
Lines: 5
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <428n8d$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1g.delphi.com
X-To: Steve Sampson <[e-mail]>

Steve Sampson <[e-mail]> writes:

>about 80,000 subscribers and can't charge enough to the advertisers

80,000 ?!........80,000 ?!...............closer  to 25% of that would be


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:40 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!nwfocus.wa.com!ender.techcenter.paccar.com!news
From: [e-mail] (Michael A. Sterba)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: MARS LOGO
Date: 4 Sep 1995 01:34:32 GMT
Organization: Private Site
Lines: 9
Message-ID: <42dl38$[e-mail]>
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Mime-Version: 1.0
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.4

Hello All,
I have a simple want. I'm looking for a .pcx, .bmp, .wpg picture of the Army Mars Logo
to make up cards and flyiers for a friend. Does anyone know of a ftp site that might
contain one of these files?
Thanks for your time.
--
                "Handcrafted From The Finest ASCII"
73's de KG7HQ



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:41 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: WB1O responds to ham molesters.
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 95 01:41:52 -0500
Organization: Delphi ([e-mail] email, 800-695-4005 voice)
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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<[e-mail]> writes:

>hobby, but take a look at any issue of QST ... look at their paid
>subscription numbers (which represent membership) ... it's never come close
>to more than 40% of the total ham population of the U.S.A.  Now, isn't that

Of the "total ham population" about half don't have an operating station on
the air. So, of the active  hams  the ARRL does quite well! The percentages
of ARRL/total hams, is a bit better than just about all of the ham orgs in
G-DL-VK-ZL- etc.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:42 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: [e-mail] (Arthur Ashley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: [?] 2 metre repeater activity in New England
Date: 4 Sep 1995 02:26:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 18
Message-ID: <42do44$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-bos10-04.ix.netcom.com

In <[e-mail]> David Chapman
<[e-mail]> writes:

>and then back to Boston ?
>

>and would very much like to 'meet' some of the locals while in the
>area.
         Hi Dave, In the greater Boston area, you can get helpful
traffic and weather information on the Waltham Repeater, 146.640 MHz
(-), especially during the morning and evening communting hours.
         The Boston Repeater, 145.230 MHz (-), has  wide area coverage.
On Monday nights at 9:00 PM (2100 Hrs), the Boston Repeater has a
scheduled net for ALL hams within hearing distance. Hope to hear you on
the air.
         Wish you a good trip and happy repeater ragchewing while here.
       Arthur, N1NHZ. Boston Amateur Radio Club, 73
       BARC www Web Page URL:  http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc.html


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:42 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cc.iu.net!news
From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
Date: 4 Sep 1995 02:43:24 GMT
Organization: Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
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Message-ID: <42dp4c$[e-mail]>
References: <41kklv$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Bill Newkirk)
NNTP-Posting-Host: netport-17.iu.net
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:
>Ah weel, Zack... in the final analysis, I go by common amateur usage,
>whether the pedants like it or not! The dictionary helps a lot too.
>Variation is in the ear of the beholder!

ah, another guy that would make the former engineering director at work
proud.  he had a low opinion of hams for reasons like this...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:43 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cc.iu.net!news
From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 4 Sep 1995 02:45:30 GMT
Organization: Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Lines: 11
Message-ID: <42dp8a$[e-mail]>
References: <41kref$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Bill Newkirk)
NNTP-Posting-Host: netport-17.iu.net
X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09

In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:
>Er, I think new hams CAN use 10m FM with the NOCODE TECH license,
>can't they? I don't hear any of them using carbon mike FM xmtrs though!

time to review those unimportant rules again there...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:44 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: [e-mail] (Ron Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Wanted: SCOM 5k software
Date: 4 Sep 1995 03:00:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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Message-ID: <42dq42$[e-mail]>
References: <41sqkv$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-ftc-co1-05.ix.netcom.com

In <41sqkv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Scott F. Conti) writes:

>
>
>       I am looking for any available PC or MAC software that can
>       automate the programming of an SCOM 5k repeater controller.
>
>       Thanks,
>
>
>
>============================================================================
==
>Scott F. Conti                                 Email:   [e-mail]
>Director, Math RCF            WWW Homepage: http://www.math.umass.edu/~scott
>Dept. Math & Statistics                                        Office-(413)
545-3254
>Box 34515                                              Lab -  [phone]
>University of Massachusetts                            Fax -  [phone]
>Amherst, Massachusetts 01003-4515
>============================================================================

Have you inquired of S-Com if they have a source? I know the owner and one of
the primary engineers, and I'd expect Bob would be happy to point you to a
source.

There are numerous installations in the northern Colorado area, and I believe
they all tend to use remote upload programming capability to update some of
the features - such as ID, macros, etc.

Give Bob a call at S-Com.




--
Ron Klein - W0OSK
-----------------
[e-mail]





From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:45 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: [e-mail] (Arthur Ashley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: [?] 2 metre repeater activity in New England
Date: 4 Sep 1995 03:00:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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References: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-bos10-04.ix.netcom.com

In <[e-mail]> David Chapman
<[e-mail]> writes:

>and then back to Boston ?
>
>and would very much like to 'meet' some of the locals while in the
area.
>
          Hi Dave, In the Greater Boston area, you can get good traffic
and weather information on the Waltham Repeater, 146.640 MHz (-),
especially during the morning and evening commuting hours. The Boston
Amateur Radio Club repeater, 145.230 (-), has a wide area coverage.
Both repeaters offer a friendly reception.
          On Monday Nights at 9:00 PM (2100 Hrs) there is a scheduled
net on 145.230 MHz to which all hams within hearing distance are
invited to check into. Hope to hear you on the net.

    Arthur, N1NHZ, Boston Amateur Radio Club, 73
    BARC Web Page URL:  http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc.html



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:46 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!pgh!usenet
From: [e-mail] (David J. Warheit)
Subject: Need Windows Propagation Software
Sender: [e-mail] (Usenet)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 03:27:12 GMT
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.234.151.15.du.nauticom.net
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
Mime-Version: 1.0
Organization: Nauticom - Internet Access Provider
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6
Lines: 7

Does anyone know of any Windows based propagation software out there. I have
the DOS based stuff. Looking for Windows specific.

Thanks,

Dave



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (K.C. Norseth )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way! NOT!
Date: 4 Sep 1995 03:30:00 GMT
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NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-slc4-05.ix.netcom.com

Morse Code does not make someone better in handling the computer, it
just means they got morse code down.

Pratice and advise makes a person better, not Morse Code.

K.C.  - N7PER
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Erik
K.Sorgatz) writes:
>
>In article <41o7is$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Robert Moldenhauer) writes:
>>
>>I think the whole license structure needs to be reexamined.  It is
silly
>>to force people who only want to do things like packet radio, slow
scan
>>TV, etc to learn Morse Code.  On the other hand you may want to
restrict
>>some bands to code only for people who want to communicate that way.
We
>>already have no-code technicians anyway.
>>
>>Something like:
>>
>>Computer Class - All bands packet, voice on most bands
>>Telegrapher Class - All bands voice, code on code restricted bands
>>
> Nah, never happen. First off - cw (A0A) is legal on all bands. And
thats
>likely to stay too. Voice is a mode that it seems requires less brains
to
>operate, assuming someone is capable of adjusting the transmitter
properly..
>..abt 1/2 the clowns on 20m ssb sound like the RCA mutt being shoved
thru
>the Horn! i.e.- they have poor technical skills at operating ssb
phone. I
>would favor an operating skills test for phone ops...that would
probably
>disqualify the large number of boneheads on the phone bands...a
majority
>of whom seem to be the Contesters. The others causing QRM prob couldnt
pass
>the operating test either, so the phone bands might become a nice
place..
>..last point: cw people seem to be a lot more polite. Computer Class?
No..
>I seriously doubt it. Why dontcha write the FCC and petition em so you
can
>run packet on CB?/GMRS?/49MHz? ;-)
>
>
>
>[e-mail] (or:[e-mail]) KB6LUY *Eliminate
net-spam & cascades!*
>TTI 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA  90405
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ITS MANAGEMENT!)
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Guy Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ICOM IC22S
Date: 4 Sep 1995 05:12:37 GMT
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My HAM club at work is cleaning out the shack to generate money for new
gear.  We have an old ICOM IC22S 2 meter transceiver that is crystal
controlled.  I am interested in making the club an offer on this rig
based on a few considerations.

        1)  Can this old crystal controlled transceiver be used as a
            dedicated packet radio with my KAM all mode?

        2)  Are the crystals for this radio easily obtained?

        3)  What would be a fair price to offer for this radio?

If anyone can answer these questions or is familiar with this radio I
would appreciate all responses.  Thanks and 73's de KC5CWS Guy Jackson



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ian Brothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Airphones
Date: 4 Sep 95 08:19:34 GMT
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Having followed the debate about airlines and cellphones I thought I'd
offer the following item that I found in one of the ham radio magazines
over here in the UK.

Airphones apparently do not (says this magazine) use the usual
terrestrial frequencies. They use 1650MHz and 1800MHz and I guess the reasons
for this wil be obvious to anyone who has followed the debate so far.

I assume, of course, that these frequencies are a world-wide standard and not
just for Europe - I could be wrong in this assumption.

Regards,
73, Ian G4EAN @ GB7BAD   or   ibx @ cs.nott.ac.uk



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Clemens)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Info-Hams Digest V95 #758
Date: 4 Sep 95 13:02:50 GMT
Organization: ucsd usenet gateway
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At 4:30 AM 9/4/95, Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup wrote:

 * Info-Hams Digest            Mon,  4 Sep 95       Volume 95 : Issue  758
 *
 * Today's Topics:
 *
 * Send Replies or notes for publication to: <[e-mail]>
 * Send subscription requests to: <[e-mail]>
 * Problems you can't solve otherwise to [e-mail].
 *
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 * (by FTP only) from ftp.UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams".
 *
 * We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text
 * herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official
 * policies or positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So there.
 * ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 *
 * Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 05:10:46 -0700
 * From: [e-mail]
 *
 *
 *
 * ------------------------------
 *
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 *
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 *
 * End of Info-Hams Digest V95 #758
 * ******************************

Nice issue...

--
Richard Clemens, Academic Computing    West Virginia Wesleyan College
[e-mail]            Buckhannon, WV 26201 [phone]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:51 1995
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From: Andrew Morkunas <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: MARS LOGO
Date: 4 Sep 1995 14:40:49 GMT
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I have a scanned b/w image if you are interesed, but not in color.

Andrew
N7JRR/DA2AM




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (R. Beavers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How to change Freq. on a Mostar ?
Date: 4 Sep 1995 18:35:41 GMT
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     Got a Motorola Mostar moble radio at yard sale, It is set on 152 mhz
simplex.

    Would like any info on changing freq to 2 metters and the pin out on
the 15 pin plug on back of radio.

Thanks.

--
|   Randy Beavers                      |       If you Love,   read         |
|   [e-mail]               |        Men are from Mars,         |
|   [e-mail]          |       Women are from Venus        |
|   [e-mail]    |           by John Gray            |


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Roehrig)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Wayne Green
Date: 4 Sep 95 18:37:00 GMT
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This is in response to [e-mail] who was talking about 73
magazine and Wayne Green.

I don't know what kind of shape they are in financially. To listen to
Wayne, whoever was running the place for a while ran it into the ground.

Last year I wrote a series of three articles that appeared in the Jan-Mar
issues. I got the usual standard "contract" that said I would be paid
so much for them during the month of publication.

By the time June rolled around I still had not seen any $$ from them so
I started making calls. The result was nil so I decided to go to small
claims court and sue Wayne Green, inc. Well, I found out that the
corporation no longer exsisted (note that the "company" was still being
called Wayne Green, inc).

So I sued Wayne personally. The deputy had a real hard time serving the
summons. For one reason, Wayne moved to Mass. and the deputy had to try
and catch him at work, which she finally did after 10pm one night.

Anyway, the day before court, I get a check from Wayne at 5pm.

I went to court anyway to get a judgement for the court costs, which
I was granted. I sent a copy of the judgement with a letter to Wayne
and eventually got a check for the court costs, so I finally got
all I was due.

I had written for 73 previously and never had a problem. This experience
soured me and I have since let my subscription drop even though I did
like the magazine.

I guess the thing that really gripes me is that he could have explained
what happened and sent an apology or something. Still no excuse for not
honoring a contract, however. SO I will no longer support 73 and hope
that others that have been burned by Wayne feel the same way. I know
there are others that have had problems with 73 - I have talked with
them.

So if you have any thoughts about submitting articles to 73, you better
think again.

Bob, K9EUI




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Burt -- Net-LID.
Date: 4 Sep 95 18:43:02 -0800
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>
> What do you think of the following message I received?

I think you are really a net-lid, Burt.  It is understood that we
don't post private email that we receive.

I agree with Ruthie--  GET A LIFE.

--

__________________________________________________________________________
Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Does this ham hate Jews or not?
Date: 4 Sep 95 18:48:25 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University
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In article <42g8ef$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
>>BTW, what is you nation of orgin??  Bet we can find great things in your
>>peoples closet too!  It isn't too hard no matter where you come from.
>
> Why does it matter? I was born in N.J. ( I admit it really sucks).
>
> You are really interested in closets, come out......

Burt.  Get your mind out of the gutter.  There are other topics in
life besides sex.  Try a few others out.


--

__________________________________________________________________________
Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Mandaville)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Crystal Radio Information?
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 18:57:06 +0600
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>
> Easy maybe, but it's really hard to play around with the cat's
> whisker using that kind of crystal!  What fun is it without that?
>
I'll agree with that.  Any quote crystal set unquote without an
articulated cat whisker and a chunk of galena (or other semi-conducting
natural mineral) just ain't worth the name. It becomes just diode
switchcraft!


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (au )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Best Ham Mag?  73 of course!
Date: 4 Sep 1995 19:12:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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In <42f52a$[e-mail]> [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk) writes:
>
>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>>Steve Sampson <[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>>>about 80,000 subscribers and can't charge enough to the advertisers
>>
>>80,000 ?!........80,000 ?!...............closer  to 25% of that would
be
>
>what's quoted in the circulation figures for the mag that get printed
in
>there every so often?  and didn't 73 start being checked by the Audit
Bureau
>of Circulation a while back (don't know if they're lackeys for the
mags or not
>but its an attempt to independantly check circulation figures..).
>
>in any case, the number of hams is much greater than the total
circulation
>of all the major rags (qst, 73, cq) and wannabes (worldradio, qex,
comm qtrly,
>NCJ, etc.) combined.  that's what's wrong with this picture.
>
>yeah, i'm tired of seeing the j-pole of the month story in 73, but
then
>again, there's a lot of new guys out there and for them it could be
something
>completely unheard of to them.  of course, this month was the antenna
issue
>i think - also the 35th anniversary too...
>
>i dunno if 73 would survive the loss of wayne...and i don't know if
wayne's
>even thought that far ahead.
>
Good point.  Wayne is the driving force behind 73 and it would not be
the same mag without Waynes monthly editorial.

I really like his style of writing and wish him a long life at the
helm.

George N7BUI


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:54:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RENFAH)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: new callsign info?
Date: 4 Sep 1995 19:31:25 -0400
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The VE is correct only if your wife sucessfully passed a 5 WPM code test
on or before the time she took her novice test.  No license is given for
passing only a novice written exam.  With the passing of the Technician
written test she now qualifies for a license and you can start checking
with the FCC's call book server within three days after the test session.
One examinee I new received his call sign the tuesday following a Saturday
test session.  Things have changed quite a bit since I received my
license, I waited 6 weeks for my Novice and 28 weeks for my Advanced

Jack Hafner
KO6IC


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (jbmitch)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TS-870 rumors
Date: 4 Sep 1995 19:45:03 GMT
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Wonder if anyone can confirm/deny rumors heard on bands regarding the
new TS-870 having Digital Signal Processing in the IF stages,rather than
simply in the audio section?  Also heard that the official announcement
will be made by KWD on 9/15. From what I can tell, the new FT100MP does
NOT have IF DSP, and this could be a profound innovation by KWD. Also any
info on price, availability, etc., would be appreciated.
73, John


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:01 1995
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From: Jean-Francois Tanguy <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: *** Hamcom '95, Long Beach, CA (Sept. 1-3) ***
Date: 4 Sep 1995 20:44:14 GMT
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Salut
well I did not see your infos on the rec.radio.swap
Mayby you are talking about the hamcom30 prg, this is why I send you this message.
The prg is not working on my system, all others prg working with the 741 interface
work find (jvfax)etc.
My system is 486 dx2 66 video ATI Winturbo 4Vram Mach64 with vesa 1.2, it's looking
like there is a problem with the card, but not shure, also I try the ezscan sstv on
the system, and no luke it's not working also.
Those prg are the only 2 prg that not work with my system.
If you have a idea I will be glad to know
Best 73 de Jean-F




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:02 1995
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From: David Chapman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: [?] 2 metre repeater activity in New England
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 95 21:44:08 GMT
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Many thanks to all those who took the time to reply to my posting. Your
helpful advice is much appreciated.

        73's  -  Dave

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ron bardarson)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ultra-miniature Direction-finding Unit
Date: 4 Sep 1995 21:49:48 GMT
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In article <42c7f3$[e-mail]>,
Anderson @ Mpower <[e-mail]> wrote:
>On behalf of Martin Landeros ([e-mail]), who wrote:
>
>
>: On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, Mark Kinsler wrote:
>
>: > >I've always thought it would be great if one could make a really small
>: > >direction-finding unit that would be the size of a small calculator,
>: > >including the antenna (something like James Bond would use).  I'm curious
>
>Are you discussing direction, as in Lat/Lon, or are you discussing
>RFemission direction, which I happen to be interested in ?

What interest do you have?  It's a specialty here.  Small DF units
exist, it's primarily a price-performance issue.

--
#include <std.dsclmr>  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Extremely poor behavior (was Re: Does this ham hate Jews or not?)
Date: 4 Sep 1995 22:06:07 -0700
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Yo Burt, you're fine at making trouble with your mouth and and
writings, but I guess you're such a newbie to the net that you
don't know how extremely poor it is to post/forward private
e-mail without the consent of the author.



In article <[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>What do you think of the following message I received?
>
>Date: Sun, 03 Sep 1995 21:55:54 -0400
>To: [e-mail]
>From: Ruthie Cunliffe <[e-mail]>
>Subject: ham??
>
>Dear Burt,

[remainder of note deleted]



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:05 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Diego Pons)
Subject: Re: Racist hams in Germany
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Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:
> [e-mail] (Jim Martin) wrote:
> >
> >I haven't checked out your gif file but I bet you're the one wearing the >white sheet.

> Not at all.
> Those with the white sheet are chickens, much like the swastikas, some
> what more common in Germany.

> Even Kohl recently called Germany the "mother land"---sound familar?

For them, Germany is the "Father Land". For Spaniards, Spain is the
Mother Land.  Is a matter of language use, not racism. Citizens of
the US call themselves Americans, but their population is only a
fraction of the population of the Americas, if you are in for a
semantic war.

Your generalizations about Germans being racist are absurd. Only a
segment of the population display racism (remember Mark Fuhrman here).
As an example of german openness, there is nothing like Prop. 187
in Berlin, in spite of having more than 10% of the population made
of foreigners, many illegal.

I was a visiting foreigner in Berlin, and I found 1000 hospitable
Germans for each racist one. I also noticed that they seldom hold
positions of power, unlike people like Pete Wilson do here.

It seems to me that you still hate Germans for WW2. In that case, you
should also feel guilty about how blacks were treated here in those days,
and perhaps boycott japanese goods for the atrocities that they
committed in China during WW2.

Regards,

--
Diego Pons
[e-mail]
Los Angeles, CA


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Regional Warning Centre)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.amateur.misc,ips.solar.activity,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.info
Subject: IPS Daily Report - 04 September 95
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Date: 4 Sep 1995 23:19:14 -0000
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 04/2330Z SEPTEMBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 04 SEPTEMBER AND FORECAST FOR 05 SEPTEMBER - 07 SEPTEMBER
Notice: Services will be disrupted 9-10 September due to computer
upgrade. If this presents a problem please contact duty forecaster.
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  74/11

GOES satellite data for 03 Sep
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   2.3E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.8E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 2.9E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A1.1
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             05 Sep             06 Sep             07 Sep
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 05 Sep:  74/11

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 03 Sep
    Learmonth        5  2221 1112
    Fredericksburg   5                           5
    Planetary        5                           3

Observed Kp for 03 Sep: 2110 0110
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
05 Sep     6    Quiet to unsettled
06 Sep     7    Quiet to unsettled
07 Sep     7    Quiet to unsettled

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
04 Sep      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
05 Sep      normal         normal         normal
06 Sep      normal         normal         normal
07 Sep      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
04 Sep    29    Near predicted monthly values then 15% enhancements
during local night.

Predicted Monthly T index for September: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
05 Sep    30    Near predicted monthly values
06 Sep    30    Near predicted monthly values
07 Sep    30    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: near to 20% below predicted monthly
values.Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values.

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 5 Sep 1995 00:56:54 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
Coffman) writes:
>
>If Morse speed is important, how can you justify allowing people on
>the air with less than 20 WPM?

Gary, it is just like business, the better you are or the more
proficient, the higher you advance in the organization.  In the case of
Amateur Radio, the more privaleges that you receive.


>If code speed is *vital*, a "must"
>as you noted in your first paragraph, then why allow lesser mortals
>on the air with a lower speed, or no speed as is the case for Tech?

I never meant to imply that code speed was vital or a must, but I
believe knowing the code is a must.

>Either it's something the government should require, or it isn't.

No, I disagree.  That kind of opinion implys that everything should be
completely equal and it is not.  For instance, does the government
require that all civil servants know how to type?  You are required to
know what you need to know or MAY need to know.

>Just as you can't be "a little bit pregnant", a government mandate
>should be uniform, or it's not justifiable at all. There's no
>qualitative difference in the privileges of a General and an Extra,
>just a small quantitative difference in subbands.

That is a quantitative difference.  You have more radio specturm
avaliable for your use.  Also, does that mean that every driver needs
to pass a test to receive a CDL just to drive a car?  We have different
driver's licenses with different tests.  We could go on and on with
examples.  In this case, the HF bands are the equivalent of the CDL.
If you only want to drive a car, you can take the passenger car
driver's test.  But if you only have this class of license, you do not
get to drive a car.  Should someone that passes his or hers FAA test be
automatically entitled to fly any kind of plane?  The more training,
the more skills, the more benefits - just like ham radio.

>Which is the necessary and sufficient test speed? Is it 13 or is it
>20? Or perhaps it's 5, or 0, where do you make the distinction between
>"must" and "it would be nice if"? And what's the government doing
>involving itself in "it would be nice if" anyway?

Just like your job, someone determined what your skills should be for
the job.  Should it be this or that or this and that?  Someone had to
make a deicision on what was reasonable.  Someone made the decision
when it came to the code.  I'm tired of too many lazy people whining
about the code.  Lazy in that they will not spend the time and work
hard to learn it.  I think it is a symptom of today; nobody wants to
work to achieve.  They just want everyting handed to them.

>Gary
>--
>Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     |
gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
>Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     |
emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
>534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      |
[e-mail]
>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Best Ham Mag?  73 of course!
Date: 5 Sep 1995 01:02:39 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] ("John L. Rouse") says:
>[e-mail] (au ) wrote:
>>
>> How anybody can read QST is quite amazing.  Yes they have improved over
>> the years.  But still the same old BORING stuff.
>>
>> CQ is cool if your into contests or an occasional construction article.
>>
>> 73 is the "other" ham magazine.  Full of entertainment value even if
>> you don't like ole Wayne!  Plenty of construction articles and columns.
>> Heck even the DX columns are interesting.  Keep it coming Wayne!
>
>> George N7BUI
>
>Sure. "73" is the best of the ham magazines; and the GEO is the best
>car on the road. Pleeeeease....
>
>73, John KA3DBN
>

I prefer WORLDRADIO to all three.

--
Jim Harvey - WB8NBS - 18538 Inkster - Redford, Mich.  48240    Amiga Person
    [e-mail]   |   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:10 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: 5 Sep 1995 01:08:05 GMT
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[e-mail] (G.R. Hansen) wrote:
>
>Yea right!  And explain the great leaders we help set up in Iran, Phillippines
>and Cuba to name just a few .

And that compared with Hitler?



>OY! What a schmuck this Burt is!!

Do not use a word you cannot actually define.

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| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:12 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: 5 Sep 1995 01:12:00 GMT
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[e-mail] (Dan Brown) wrote:

>       No other country?  You're stretching a bit there.  France under
>Napoleon certainly caused plenty of grief.  It would be wise to
>remember that Germany wasn't alone in starting those wars,
>either--Japan gave plenty of help in getting WWII off the ground, and
>Austria's where WWI started.

Those countries indeed caused a fair of grief but Germany still beat them.



>
>       Elementary history will indicate that the French are _at least_ as
>much to blame for WWII as the Germans, by insisting on impossible

Blaming the victim?
And girls are responsible for rapes by wearing short skirts?

>       Have you met any Germans in, say, the last 10 years?  My experience
>has been that they're far less racist than most Americans.

And how many minorites are there in Germany?
Not many Jews wether there, wonder why?


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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:13 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Does this ham hate Jews or not?
Date: 5 Sep 1995 01:14:02 GMT
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[e-mail] (MRI) wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>:
>: What do you think of the following message I received?

>I think is has no business being posted as a ham radio thread !!

Look the other way?
Don't get involved?
Hear no evil, see no evil?

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Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:14 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Does this ham hate Jews or not?
Date: 5 Sep 1995 01:17:03 GMT
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[e-mail] (G.R. Hansen) wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>>What do you think of the following message I received?
>
>I think you are a really schmuck to post it on here.

I am impressed with your command of English.



>
>I also think he had some valid points.

That the Jews deserved it?




>Why not move your thread to alt.burt.OY.Schmuck.

Where is that?


>BTW, what is you nation of orgin??  Bet we can find great things in your
>peoples closet too!  It isn't too hard no matter where you come from.

Why does it matter? I was born in N.J. ( I admit it really sucks).

You are really interested in closets, come out......

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Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:15 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Does this ham hate Jews or not?
Date: 5 Sep 1995 01:18:49 GMT
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[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:
>>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>
>>>What do you think of the following message I received?
>
>Two words:  NOBODY CARES!!!
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
>

Does not surprise me, even the Jewish hams are quiet.
Like the Warsaw ghetto, just take it?

Hams do not care about people, just DX points.


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|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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| [e-mail]                               [e-mail]  |
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Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:16 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Does this ham hate Jews or not?
Date: 5 Sep 1995 03:42:29 GMT
Organization: Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Harrison) writes:
>Burt.  Get your mind out of the gutter.

i might suggest that since burt likes the gutter so well, that he consider
taking up bowling...and he thought radio was expensive:

        reactive resin ball:    $150-250
        urethane ball:          $80-150
        polyester ball:         $50
        rubber ball:            $25 (don't even know if you can still get new
                                        rubber balls from places like Brunswick
                                        or AMF even...)
        Shoes (Linds)           $125
        Bags                    $200 (maybe one of those 4 ball donkey carts)

        3 leagues x $350/yr     $1050
        ABC sanction card       $10

or about $1810 to get started...i haven't included things like cleaning supplies
(alcohol, scotch-brite pads), open bowling practice and other stuff that goes
into the tool kit these days...

>There are other topics in
>life besides sex.  Try a few others out.

who knows..he might even get back on the air..

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:17 1995
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From: Rick Wall <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Placing mobile rig in Pathfinder. Suggestions?
Date: 5 Sep 1995 03:43:42 GMT
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I had an '89, and a world of trouble w/the computer.  S6 noise right on the center of
our 146.96 repeater.  Nissan wouldn't do anything about it, but when the car wouldn't
pass the emmissions inspection the second year they replaced the computer and kazam
-- no interference.  I mounted an ICOM 2410 under the dash -- I don't know 'bout the
96's, but in the 89 the hump console didn't connect with the dash.

Good luck.  I loved the car, but mine was a bonafide lemon

Rick -- [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:17 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Date: 5 Sep 1995 03:44:09 GMT
Organization: Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
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In <42f9vn$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (samuel sprayberry) writes:
>I have an idea, lets just e-mail the FCC and ask them why the hell they
>keep morse code???

they'll point you to the previous discussions they've published that say there's
a lot of hams that want to keep the code test.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:19 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: new callsign info?
Date: 5 Sep 1995 03:46:38 GMT
Organization: Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Don Davis) writes:
>My wife took the passed the Novice written test a week ago and then the
>Technician written test yesterday. The VE told her that her callsign should

congratulations..

>already be available by the 800 number since she had passed the earlier
>element. That doesn't seem right to me, but I'd like to check. Anyone have

yes, he's right, but no it takes a couple of weeks and it ought to be on the
CSCE if you have taken a test through an ARRL/VEC group...don't know about
the others.

>that number handy? I did check on one of the callsign servers that is updated
>daily and did not find it there. Was the VE mistaken? Thanks for any help.

give it about 14 to 21 days.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (R. Wiley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: 5 Sep 95 03:49:37 GMT
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.

While Hitler was a murderous thug, as compared to other socialist
rulers such as Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Enver Hoxha, Erich Honecker,
Nicolae Ceaucescu, Matyas Rakosi, and Mengistu Haile Mariam,
he was unexceptional.

NE0R



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (G.R. Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Does this ham hate Jews or not?
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:08:37 GMT
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In article <42g8ef$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:



>[e-mail] (G.R. Hansen) wrote:
>>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>
>>>What do you think of the following message I received?
>>
>>I think you are a really schmuck to post it on here.

>I am impressed with your command of English.

Scmuck is a Yiddish word Burt.  I can't believe you didn't know that. Guess
it is a true discription of you.

>>
>>I also think he had some valid points.

>That the Jews deserved it?

Don't put words in my mouth Burt.  Farthest from the truth.

>>BTW, what is you nation of orgin??  Bet we can find great things in your
>>peoples closet too!  It isn't too hard no matter where you come from.

>Why does it matter? I was born in N.J. ( I admit it really sucks).

SO you must also by your perverse logic.

>You are really interested in closets, come out......

Gee, I am suprised at that stretch, not. What are you implying Burt?


KB7PKC


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From: [e-mail] (G.R. Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:12:46 GMT
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In article <42g7tl$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

>[e-mail] (G.R. Hansen) wrote:



>>OY! What a schmuck this Burt is!!

>Do not use a word you cannot actually define.


Oh but I can Burt, I just won't on the Internet.



GRH


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (G.R. Hansen)
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Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 04:18:42 GMT
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In article <42g850$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

>[e-mail] (Dan Brown) wrote:

>>       No other country?  You're stretching a bit there.  France under
>>Napoleon certainly caused plenty of grief.  It would be wise to
>>remember that Germany wasn't alone in starting those wars,
>>either--Japan gave plenty of help in getting WWII off the ground, and
>>Austria's where WWI started.

>Those countries indeed caused a fair of grief but Germany still beat them.

Oh I get it.  If a country isn't number one in deaths it is all OK.  That
sounds like Burt Fisher logic alright.

>>
>>       Elementary history will indicate that the French are _at least_ as
>>much to blame for WWII as the Germans, by insisting on impossible

>Blaming the victim?
>And girls are responsible for rapes by wearing short skirts?


And another dogde and stretch by Burt. Great form, same old tired logic though.
No point again Burt.   Are you a politician by chance???

>>       Have you met any Germans in, say, the last 10 years?  My experience
>>has been that they're far less racist than most Americans.

>And how many minorites are there in Germany?
>Not many Jews wether there, wonder why?

Quite a few actually Burt,  OTOH I can see the Fisher logic flowing along,  if
you aren't Jewish you aren't a minority.


KB7PKC


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Subject: Re: Racist hams in Germany
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In article <42g8te$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

>I must commend you on the fairness you have and I do not.

Boy it takes a really bright person to that.  Well, you would at least need to
be smarter than a brick to figure it out, I will give you that Burt.

>You are a better person than I.

What a schicking revalation!!!!!!!!!
So are 99.999999999% of the people on the earth. What is your point??


KB7pkc


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Subject: Goodbye Burt Adolf Hitler Fisher
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        I apologize to the users for the past posts I made to sicko Burt Adolf
Fisher. This is the last post I will make on the subject.  Burt is a sick
puppy, an obvious fact if you have read many of his posts.  The only way to
deal with his kind is not to respond, thus giving him an opening to spew his
racist, bigoted crap.  Sorry, I was a bit sick myself getting enjoyment
teasing this diseased individual.
        Sorry folks. I won't do it again.

73 and back to the intent of this newsgroup. Ham Radio not politics and hate.


KB7PKC


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Brown)
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Subject: Re: racist german hams
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>My "crap" is a response to what Germany has wrought upon the world.
>I bet if child molesters had their own pacific Island (not a bad idea) you would
>want to work them to get another "country."

        Ah yes, nothing like a nice ad hominem attack...  I don't work HF, and
I really don't give a rat's ass about contesting/awards, so you're
wrong on that count, if no other.

        Second, your analogy is more than a little silly.  By refusing to
answer any CQs from Germany, you're "punishing" _all_ the residents of
a country which started a war 50 years ago.  These people have
_nothing_ to do with what happened then, and they're _constantly_
reminded of it.  It's not likely to ever happen again--"Never again"
is burned _much_ more strongly into their minds than it is in yours,
I'm sure.

        If Germany were entirely peopled, today, with the likes of Hitler,
Goering, Goebbels, etc., your analogy might make a little sense.  Not
much, maybe, but just a little.

        There's one word that you seem to be completely unfamiliar with, which
might just help out a bit.  "forgive."  It shouldn't be too hard in a
case where none of the people you're blaming had anything to do with
the atrocities you're blaming them for.
--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS
[e-mail], NOT [e-mail]
Don't tread on me.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Derek Wills)
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Subject: Burty Boy
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I would suggest treating Burt F just the same way as you
would anyone else who uses 14313.  They are entertaining
for a few minutes, they need attention, and most of us
turn the big knob in the middle of the radio.  It works
for me.

Derek AA5BT, G3NMX
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:27 1995
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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[e-mail]  writes:

AW>The CW test really is an initiation rite, in my opinion.  After all,
AW>I've operated CW for years, and one problem I see that is not
AW>addressed by the CW test is poor sending ability.  When I was a
AW>VE, we did not administer a sending test, only a receiving test.

EXACTLY, Art! There SHOULD be a sending test too IMHO!
Back when I took my tests, 1968-78 you had to send too!
73 de G3XLQ, WB4FPH, AF4K
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Am I apathetic? I don't know & don't care!


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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([e-mail]) writes:

BN>>Ah weel, Zack... in the final analysis, I go by common amateur usage,
BN>>whether the pedants like it or not! The dictionary helps a lot too.
BN>>Variation is in the ear of the beholder!

BN>ah, another guy that would make the former engineering director at work
BN>proud.  he had a low opinion of hams for reasons like this...

BN>Bill Newkirk WB9IVR

Do you have anything interesting or significant to say to
this group, or are you just here to make stupid insults?
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Why is it that the best taglines are always much too lon


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jos_Beck)
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Subject: World wide callsign prefixes wanted
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My list of callsign prefixes dates from 1991.
In the mean time, I have noticed, many prefixes ("new" counties) have
been added.

Does anyone know where I can find an up-to-date list of all current
prefixes ?

Jos, PE1CGE



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Jonz)
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Subject: Re: THE NEW DX REFLECTOR
Date: 5 Sep 1995 09:51:43 GMT
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Frank R. Smith ([e-mail]) writes:

        > Amir 4X6TT has started up a new DX Reflector.  This one is
        > unmoderated

Sandy Lynch ([e-mail]) replies:

        > What real DX and DX-pedition related info will appear on the
        > "New DX Reflector" that will NOT appear on the existing one?
        > What's the "competitive advantage" to use a marketing term?

Although I'll probably get torched for even suggesting it, but why doesn't
some energetic soul post an RFD for "rec.radio.amateur.dx"?  Personally,
I'm not fond of mailing lists, and prefer to participate in open forums
here on Usenet.  Due to the volume (not to mention the S/N ratio) here in
"rec.radio.amateur.misc", it's not unusual for articles to expire on my ISP's
NNTP server before I get around to reading them.  And for those who can't
read news, such a group could always be digested and reflected to any
number of mailing lists.

I, for one, would read a DX group with some regularity.  Anybody else?  If
the response is positive, I *may* even volunteer to post the RFD -- I've
always been kinda curious about the process anyway.  (Okay, call me a
masochist.  But then who else would chase DX with 150 watts to a vertical
when old Sol is in the dumper?  ;-)


KB6JXT, Todd



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:32 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: 5 Sep 1995 10:03:50 GMT
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[e-mail] (G.R. Hansen) wrote:
>
>>>OY! What a schmuck this Burt is!!
>
>>Do not use a word you cannot actually define.
>
>
>Oh but I can Burt, I just won't on the Internet.

That is the height of Chutzpah. You will use profanity but not define it.
Actually it is stupidity, you do not know what you said.


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|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:33 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: 5 Sep 1995 10:05:21 GMT
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[e-mail] (R. Wiley) wrote:
>.
>
>While Hitler was a murderous thug, as compared to other socialist
>rulers such as Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Enver Hoxha, Erich Honecker,
>Nicolae Ceaucescu, Matyas Rakosi, and Mengistu Haile Mariam,
>he was unexceptional.
>
>NE0R

You might almost have a point with Stalin but no way the others.
Hitler counts his in tens of millions.



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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:34 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: 5 Sep 1995 10:08:51 GMT
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[e-mail] (Dan Brown) wrote:
>
>       There's one word that you seem to be completely unfamiliar with, which
>might just help out a bit.  "forgive."  It shouldn't be too hard in a
>case where none of the people you're blaming had anything to do with
>the atrocities you're blaming them for.
>--
>Dan Brown, KE6MKS
>[e-mail], NOT [e-mail]
>Don't tread on me.
>

Your comments above are entirely correct.
But I still am prejudiced.
I am not big enough to forgive millions of deaths and torture.
Even after 50 years.

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:35 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Does this ham hate Jews or not?
Date: 5 Sep 1995 10:11:13 GMT
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[e-mail] (Ken Harrison) wrote:

>Burt.  Get your mind out of the gutter.  There are other topics in
>life besides sex.  Try a few others out.

So sorry.
QSL QSL, CQ DX, CQ Contest, QSL via buro, I have traffic,
Those topics make my Rohn go erect.
Is that better?

HI HI
K1OIK for ID.




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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:36 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Does this ham hate Jews or not?
Date: 5 Sep 1995 10:14:20 GMT
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[e-mail] (G.R. Hansen) wrote:

>Scmuck is a Yiddish word Burt.  I can't believe you didn't know that. Guess
>it is a true discription of you.

I know that, what the user of the word does not know, nor it seems you is its
actual definition translated direct from Yiddish



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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:37 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: What a REAL man is this KB7PKC?
Date: 5 Sep 1995 10:16:36 GMT
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[e-mail] (G.R. Hansen) wrote:
>
>Boy it takes a really bright person to that.  Well, you would at least need to
>be smarter than a brick to figure it out, I will give you that Burt.
>
>>You are a better person than I.
>
>What a schicking revalation!!!!!!!!!
>So are 99.999999999% of the people on the earth. What is your point??
>
>
>KB7pkc

Do you feel better after insulting me?




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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:39 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Burt -- Net-LID.
Date: 5 Sep 1995 10:18:04 GMT
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[e-mail] (Ken Harrison) wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>>
>> What do you think of the following message I received?
>
>I think you are really a net-lid, Burt.  It is understood that we
>don't post private email that we receive.
>
>I agree with Ruthie--  GET A LIFE.

Ruthie also hates Jews, you agree with that too?
You did say you agree with Ruthie and Ruthie had a lot to say.



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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:40 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Extremely poor behavior (was Re: Does this ham hate Jews or not?)
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[e-mail] (Dana Myers) wrote:
>
>Yo Burt, you're fine at making trouble with your mouth and and
>writings, but I guess you're such a newbie to the net that you
>don't know how extremely poor it is to post/forward private
>e-mail without the consent of the author.

Yo, Dana. I am very experienced as a user but I thought hating minorities
is worse than publishing PRIVATE messages. So I risked condemnation
thinking hams might think that Jew hating was worse but so far
hams on on the side of the Jew hater.

Silly me.

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:41 1995
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Subject: Re: Goodbye Hansen Adolf Hitler
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[e-mail] (G.R. Hansen) wrote:
>
>       I apologize to the users for the past posts I made to sicko Burt Adolf
>Fisher. This is the last post I will make on the subject.  Burt is a sick
>puppy, an obvious fact if you have read many of his posts.  The only way to
>deal with his kind is not to respond, thus giving him an opening to spew his
>racist, bigoted crap.  Sorry, I was a bit sick myself getting enjoyment
>teasing this diseased individual.
>       Sorry folks. I won't do it again.
>
>73 and back to the intent of this newsgroup. Ham Radio not politics and hate.

1. You say not to respond to me but that is all you seem to do.
2. Do not project your character as mine.




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|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                               [e-mail]  |
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:42 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Burty Boy
Date: 5 Sep 1995 10:25:55 GMT
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[e-mail] (Derek Wills) wrote:
>I would suggest treating Burt F just the same way as you
>would anyone else who uses 14313.  They are entertaining
>for a few minutes, they need attention, and most of us
>turn the big knob in the middle of the radio.  It works
>for me.
>
>Derek AA5BT, G3NMX
>[e-mail]

If it works for you why did you respond?
(thanks for your support in PRIVATE messages)>

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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| [e-mail]                               [e-mail]  |
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:43 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de!trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de!not-for-mail
From: [e-mail] (Karl-Heinz Protzer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: 5 Sep 1995 10:35:04 GMT
Organization: Informatik, Uni Stuttgart, Germany
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Just a few things:

1. Isn't it racism to say that german hams are racists?

2. I didn't kill anyone.

3. I am a german.

4. I am not a racist.

5. I don't like the new Nazis.

These are facts, so any flame will be thrown away.

73 de Karl-Heinz from Stuttgart, Germany, JN48OS

--
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| Life's to short for QRP!                              |
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| FIDO: Karl-Heinz Protzer   2:2474/454.5               |
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jung Pyo Hong)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: THE NEW DX REFLECTOR
Date: 5 Sep 1995 11:39:34 -0600
Organization: Applied Computing Systems, Inc.
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NNTP-Posting-Host: usa.acsys.com

> ... I *may* even volunteer to post the RFD -- I've
> KB6JXT, Todd

Please do and thank you.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Burt -- Net-LID.
Date: 5 Sep 95 12:08:46 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University
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In article <42h84s$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
> [e-mail] (Ken Harrison) wrote:
>>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:

>>I agree with Ruthie--  GET A LIFE.
>
> Ruthie also hates Jews, you agree with that too?
> You did say you agree with Ruthie and Ruthie had a lot to say.

I won't even address your childish question, Burt.  But I will say it
again--

        GET A LIFE.
--

__________________________________________________________________________
Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: 5 Sep 95 12:12:04 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University
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NNTP-Posting-Host: vax.sonoma.edu

In article <42h7a6$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
> [e-mail] (G.R. Hansen) wrote:
>>
>>>>OY! What a schmuck this Burt is!!
>>
>>>Do not use a word you cannot actually define.
>>
>>
>>Oh but I can Burt, I just won't on the Internet.
>
> That is the height of Chutzpah. You will use profanity but not define it.
> Actually it is stupidity, you do not know what you said.

I shouldn't even be followingup to your childish posts, Burt, but...

The schmuck is the little bit of foreskin that is removed in a circumcision.

In essence, you have been called a "dick" or an approximation thereof.
--

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Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Does this ham hate Jews or not?
Date: 5 Sep 95 12:15:02 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University
Lines: 26
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NNTP-Posting-Host: vax.sonoma.edu

In article <42h7o1$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
> [e-mail] (Ken Harrison) wrote:
>
>>Burt.  Get your mind out of the gutter.  There are other topics in
>>life besides sex.  Try a few others out.
>
> So sorry.
> QSL QSL, CQ DX, CQ Contest, QSL via buro, I have traffic,
> Those topics make my Rohn go erect.
> Is that better?
>
> HI HI
> K1OIK for ID.

I'm getting an idea of your depth, Burt.  Apparently you think life is either
sex or stupidity.  In this particular case, you seem to have combined the two.
Not too surprising, though.

--

__________________________________________________________________________
Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Fishman, FSAC)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need Knob
Date: 5 Sep 95 13:26:22 GMT
Organization: ucsd usenet gateway
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: [e-mail]

I am looking for the main, large tuning knob for a

Hewlett Packard 606A signal generator...

I picked up 2  606's for $20  and they work but one is missing the

big knob used for fast tuning

73, Clark Fishman  WA2UNN    [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:50 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!starport!brian.carling
Distribution: world
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <42gc4i$[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 1995 15:31:00 -0500
Organization: =ACE= ONLINE [phone]
Lines: 59

Dana Myers pontificated thusly:

DM>I know this is useless, but there's nothing "pedantic" about insisting
DM>on correct vocabulary in a technical discipline.

Sorry Dana, for most of us mortal hams, this is not a "Technical
Discipline", even if the FCC words it that way. It is a hobby!
Get a life!

DM>Apparently, Brian,
DM>you mistakenly believe that "variation" of a carrier can not include
DM>turning the carrier on and off.

In common parlance, Dana, we do not say "VARIATION" for things that go
on and off, for example, "Honey would you go VARY that lamp?"!

"I got in my car and VARIED The engine!"

Riiiight Dana!

DM>This is your technical mistake;
DM>keep in mind *any* variation of a carrier, including switching it
DM>on and off, is indeed modulation.

I personally don't gove a rat's behind what pedantic discussion you can
generate about this nonsense. CW is not referred to as "amplitude
Modulation" by the vast vast majority of my fellow amateurs in their day
to day technical discussions, so I do not bend toward this silliness.

DM>Your social mistake is your apparent inability to admit a technical
DM>error and learn.

And yours is to go on and on and on and on and on endlessly hoping
to ram your point home by mindless repetition of the same drivel!
I admitted eary on that there is a change in amplitude between
zero and max, and I am fully aware that there is a rise and fall:
an envelope if you will. That does not pertain to my point which is
simply that we hams do not refer to it as AM nor think of binary
digital coding as AM. Simple enough. So quit chipping away!

DM>Furthermore, you go on to berate anyone who does not
DM>agree with you, declaring them full of "horse poop" and "pedants".

No, you lie. I did NOT call any individual either on of those names.
If you can supply the quote where I did, please put up or shut up!

DM>I'm not rude or arrogant to point out your errors;

Oh noooooooooooo! I know you wouldn't dream of that!

DM>I'm just stating
DM>objective fact: CW, as defined by the ITU and FCC, involves modulating
DM>the amplitude of a carrier with digital information.  Please stop
DM>trying to confuse those who are still learning.

No. Now go talk about something useful that has meaning and a real
point! You are wasting your keyboard time on this garbage!
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ My family thinks I am WORKING on this computer! He he!


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: LAST CODE MESSAGE (I Hope)
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <428pbd$[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 95 15:46:21 GMT
Organization: Just Another Roadside Attraction
Lines: 23


In article <428pbd$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  > I hope this is the last debate posting about CW.  I am 14, a sophmore in
  > high school

  From an *old* joke about politics in Middle East;
  All of the major players in the ongoing crisis are discussing the situation
  and one of them ask, "Do you thin there will ever be a solution?" The others
  think about this and one of them says, "Yes, but not in my lifetime."
  After many many years, they are in heaven. They get together and ask God
  if there will ever be a solution. God answers, "Yes, but not in my lifetime."

  Yup, this CW thing is going to go on forever. Probably just as long as the
  good old boys still sport the stars and bars down south too. It's a religious
  thang.

;--
;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
;
; Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM Internet: [e-mail]
; US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749       Phone: [phone]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Walt Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HT use with aviation headset?
Date: 5 Sep 1995 17:22:03 GMT
Organization: Loral Federal Systems, Owego New York
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In <42adf3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Weir) writes:
>
>How to do it is about a day's work with Radio Snick parts.  If you
>want me to go into the details, I'll be glad to (RST Engineering does
>this sort of thing in its audio panels to interface aircraft headsets
>to business band and other FM-type radios).  If you just want to buy a
>readymade box, Icom as well as (I believe) some other folks I saw in
>Trade-A-P make a $100 box.  Your choice.  $5 and a day's work or $100
>and plug-n-play.  Lemme know email or here.
>
Jim,

Yes, I would like details...like a schematic. I'm a mechanical engineer
so keep it plain and simple for me.

Thanks for offering to share your knowledge and skills.

Walt Johnson                                                   N3385L
KB2UOU                                                   Cessna A185E
Loral Federal Systems Group                                  EDO 2790
Owego, New York 13827                          The comments expressed
[e-mail]                           above are my own and do
(607-751-2158)                               not reflect the position
FAX[phone])                            of the Loral Corporation






From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:53 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARLX049 Hurricane Luis 1
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Date: 5 Sep 1995 17:43:49 -0400
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX049
ARLX049 Hurricane Luis 1

ZCZC AX19
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 49  ARLX049
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  September 5, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX049
ARLX049 Hurricane Luis 1

As of 1800Z or 2:00 PM EDT/AST this afternoon, the center of
Hurricane Luis is located at 18.0 degrees North latitude, 62.3
degrees West longitude, or 50 miles east of Saint-Martin.  Maximum
sustained winds are reduced to 130 mph.  Consequently, Luis is
reduced to a Category Three (on the Saffir/Simpson Scale) storm,
traveling WNW at 9 mph.  A 9 to 12 foot storm surge can be expected.
Damage in its path is expected to be extensive:  Large trees blown
down; some structural damage to small buildings; mobile homes
destroyed; serious coastal flooding; many small structures near
coast destroyed by wind and waves; almost all small boats torn from
moorings.

Reports gleaned from on-the-air monitoring at ARRL HQ at 1800-1830Z
on 14.268 MHz indicate that Dominica suffered damage along its North
coast:  some roads damaged and trees down; minor damage to
residences; power is out.  Stations in St. Maarten report extensive
damage along the waterfront at Simson Bay.  No reports of deaths or
injuries have been received by the net.

In anticipation of a possible swell of health and welfare traffic,
National Traffic System (NTS) Eastern Area Digital Coordinator Nick
Zorn, N4SS, reports that the NTS Digital Net is preparing to handle
Luis-related messages:  the Eastern Area Digital staff will be
recommending that messages addressed to affected areas be routed via
an Eastern Area Digital network representative for handling when
stations in the affected areas are prepared to receive and process
them.  The Eastern Area mailbox operators to be involved are: N2JAW,
W1FYR, KQ4ET, WX4J.

The Hurricane Watch Net is active on or near 14.325 MHz, and is
currently soliciting reports from stations in the affected areas.

Amateurs are advised to monitor storm-related net frequencies, but
to not transmit unless directed to do so by net control stations.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Planke)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: New URL for WWW server of DK0TUI
Date: 5 Sep 1995 18:09:58 GMT
Organization: TU Ilmenau
Lines: 14
Sender: tom@hekla (Thomas Planke)
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <42i3pm$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: hekla.systemtechnik.tu-ilmenau.de
Keywords: WWW URL NEW DK0TUI

Hello Websurfers,

the www pages of DK0TUI have moved. The new start page is:

http://www.systemtechnik.tu-ilmenau.de/ham/ham.html

The new entry point for the qsl info lookup is:
http://www.systemtechnik.tu-ilmenau.de/ham/hamqsl.html


dl5atp
--
Thomas Planke                    [e-mail]
http://www.systemtechnik.tu-ilmenau.de/tp.html                      DL5ATP


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 1995 22:26:44 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>      Elementary history will indicate that the French are _at least_ as
>>much to blame for WWII as the Germans, by insisting on impossible

>Blaming the victim?
>And girls are responsible for rapes by wearing short skirts?

        You are truly the master of the irrelevancy...  OK, here's a brief
history lesson.  At the end of WWI, the French were pissed.  Rather
than just ending the war and carrying on, they insisted on making the
Germans pay for every penny of damage that they caused, and more
besides.  Germany couldn't afford these payments, which led to a
severe depression (somewhere along the lines of a Billion marks for a
loaf of bread), which in turn caused a lot of political upheaval.
Along comes a "savior" who promises to help the economy--Hitler.

        To blame Hitler for the sum total of the war's devestation wouldn't,
perhaps, be completely accurate, but he had a hand in a lot of it.  To
blame the French for all of it wouldn't be reasonable--they couldn't
reasonably forsee the results of their actions.  However, were it not
for the Versailles treaty, WWII would not have happened.  Were it not
for Chamberlain's (sp?) selling out Poland for "peace in our time,"
Hitler would have been stopped much earlier.


>>      Have you met any Germans in, say, the last 10 years?  My experience
>>has been that they're far less racist than most Americans.

>And how many minorites are there in Germany?
>Not many Jews wether there, wonder why?

        To answer your first question, lots.  Not, perhaps, as many as in the
USA, but Germany's immigration policies are a lot looser than
America's, and there are plenty of Greeks and Turks there, as well as
lots of Eastern Europeans.  I've met a good number of Jews there as
well, particularly around Dachau.

--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS
[e-mail], NOT [e-mail]
Don't tread on me.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Extremely poor behavior (was Re: Does this ham hate Jews or not?)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 1995 22:33:46 GMT
Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Yo, Dana. I am very experienced as a user but I thought hating minorities
>is worse than publishing PRIVATE messages. So I risked condemnation

        Hating people because of race/nationality is equally wrong, no matter
where they come from.  Physician, heal thyself.

--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS
[e-mail], NOT [e-mail]
Don't tread on me.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:58 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!oronet!news
From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Wayne Green
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 1995 22:59:43 GMT
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[e-mail] (Bob Roehrig) wrote:


>This is in response to [e-mail] who was talking about 73
>magazine and Wayne Green.

>I don't know what kind of shape they are in financially. <snip>

>I had written for 73 previously and never had a problem. This experience
>soured me and I have since let my subscription drop even though I did
>like the magazine.

>I guess the thing that really gripes me is that he could have explained
>what happened and sent an apology or something.

>So if you have any thoughts about submitting articles to 73, you better
>think again.

>Bob, K9EUI  <shortened in the interest of bandwidth>


Yeah, I understand what you say.  Back in the late '60s, early '70s, I
authored a microwave column for Wayne.  Six months without payment and
I said to hell with it.  But over the years I've authored two or three
feature articles and got paid right on time.  It seems you get paid by
the phase of the moon, alphabetically by height, or who is leading the
National League West.  Can't explain it, don't understand it, and it
seems the construction articles worth a damn have become few and far
between.  Maybe some of the better authors have said what you said --
dunno what the truth is.

Best wishes and all that

Jim






Jim Weir VP Engineering  | "I turned to my wife, as startled as the
RST Engineering          | pilot by what I'd seen.  Dirt-streaked,
Grass Valley CA 95945    | glorious, she smiled at me, tear-bright
voice/fax [phone]   | radiance.  'Richie, they're going to try
[e-mail]         | for it!' she said, "Wish them love!'" (Bach)



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:55:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
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Subject: Dick Palm from ARRL headquarters took th
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In article <42iot0$[e-mail]> Burt writes:

  > [e-mail] (Len Winkler) wrote:
  > >
  > >Not a big deal; but the name is RICK, not Dick.
  >
  > No, Rick is more of a Dick (what he did to Luck Hurder).
  > Actually Rick, the Dick is really Jesus, ask him his birth date.
  > And how he treats ARRL employees.

  OK that's it...
  (For the explitive-deleted challenged people, hit "n" now.)

  Burt, go fuck yourself.
  That should solve you ham-sex problem.

  I talked with Rick Palm this weekend at the ARRL convention. And I
  have talked with him on the phone several times. Every time I have had
  a question it has been delt with properly. I don't ask the league
  people to explain the personell changes.

  I've corresponded with both Luck Hurder and Jim Kearman in the past.
  Neither one of them is at the ARRL HQ anymore. So what? Luck ran
  afoul of the politics, and Jim threw in the towel. That will happen in
  *any* organization. Especially one the size of the ARRL.

  If the Germans, other HAMS and everyone else bothers you that much, do
  youself (and the rest of us) a favor and kill yourself. I doubt that
  many people here will miss you.

  To the rest of the newsgroup; sorry.
  To the language whiners. This is usenet, not Romper Room. (although
  from the way pople like Burt act, I wonder at times.)


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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Parent)
Subject: MANUAL WANTED: MFJ-1278 MM Data Controller
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I am looking for an owners manual for a MFJ-1278
Multi-Mode Data Controller.  I will pay for either
the original or photo-copy plus shipping.
Thank You.

Mike Parent
KD4DIO/VE3UWC


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joel B Levin)
Subject: Re: Racist hams in Germany
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In <42g8te$[e-mail]>,
   Burt Fisher <Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>> wrote:
Plenty in other articles about his abhorrence of and prejudice
against Germans, and
|Frankly if I were in a position to hire people I would hire on merit
|across all races except Germans. I am in that way prejudice.
   and then
|And actually I yet respect Germans MORE than the ham community.

I am continually surprised not to hear that Burt has turned in his
license and resigned from the Amateur service.

<Plonk>

--
Nets: [e-mail]  | Those who cavalierly reject the Theory of
  or [e-mail]| Evolution, as not adequately supported by facts,
pots: [phone]  | seem quite to forget that their own theory is
ARS:  KD1ON          | supported by no facts at all.       --H. Spencer






From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Zachritz)
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Zachritz)
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Subject: Phonetap on a BE 150A
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I am trying to build a phone tap for my school's station.  We can get the
caller's voice onto one channel, and we can send signal from the board to the
phone, but we can't do it simultaneously.
Basically what I want to do is send the audition channel to the telephone.  To
 what will I connect the output of the audition channel?
Also, I want to use the phone line to send voice to the board over the phone
line.  Since phone mic's suck, I want to connect a Shure SM-58 to a telephone.
 I have tried, but I can't get any signal to go through.  Do I need some form
of amplification?
Any help you can give would be most appreciated either by posting to the group
or by sending me email to [e-mail]

Thanks very much,

David Zachritz
General Manager
KRCX - Regis University
Denver, Colorado
1490AM
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:03 1995
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From: Peter Lemken <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Burt Fisher and the Germans
Date: 6 Sep 1995 09:07:04 GMT
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Mr. Fisher is so uninformed and prejudiced that he is not
likely to know that Mr. Hitler is NOT German, but Austrian,
born in Braunau am Inn, Oberoesterreich.

I wonder how he treats the OE5 stations in future.

Just wondering.


Peter Lemken
DF5JT/KE4UNQ



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:04 1995
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Audition or Program channel doesn't matter.  You'll need to buy ( or
build the equivelant of) a phone hybrid.

You need to come up with mix-minus audio to feed back down the phone
line.

On 6 Sep 1995, Dave Zachritz wrote:

>
> I am trying to build a phone tap for my school's station.  We can get the
> caller's voice onto one channel, and we can send signal from the board to the
> phone, but we can't do it simultaneously.
>


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:05 1995
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To: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
From: [e-mail] (Glenn Hansen)
Subject: Re: racist german hams

At 06:04 AM 9/5/95 -0700, Burt Fisher wrote:

Any person that judges an individual by the actions of a group of the same
nationality is a schmuck, period. Hitler did it and now you are doing it.
You have shown yourself to be an equal in moral thinking to Adolf. Never
again, can't you be a bit more original?? Pull your hear out of the Rabbi's
ass and try thinking for yourself. You showed your cards refusing to say you
national orgins. I can't quite figure out if you are a Christ killing Jew or
                 ^ ^^^^  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^
a Jew killing German. Either way it is sad that people are still as generic
as your are. Tsk tsk.


grh




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:06 1995
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Date: 6 Sep 1995 10:23:22 GMT
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Peter Lemken <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Mr. Fisher is so uninformed and prejudiced that he is not
>likely to know that Mr. Hitler is NOT German, but Austrian,
>born in Braunau am Inn, Oberoesterreich.


Same difference.
ala Kurt Waldheim


>
>I wonder how he treats the OE5 stations in future.

Good thought.


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| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Don Burns)
Subject: Re: Vanity Callsign Status
Organization: Motorola RNSG
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 10:49:12 -0400
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In article <42f04v$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Greg Taylor) wrote:

> I've been out the net for awhile...whats the latest estimates
> on implementing the vanity call sign program?

The word I am getting is approximately November 1 form 610-V will be
available.  As far as I know once the form is available we can apply.

--
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Motorola Inc.                     \    Internet:[e-mail]
North American Radio Systems Divn  \     Voice: 305-723-5518
Plantation, FL  U.S.A.              \      Fax: [phone]

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kory Hamzeh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: What should be on a QSL card?
Date: 6 Sep 1995 11:12:28 -0700
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Hi,

I'm trying to design my own QSL cards, and wanted to know what information
needs to be on there. I remember seeing some scanned in QSL cards on the
Web somewhere, but can't seem to find them now. Any info would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Kory
KE6VWO



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Fortnum)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Icom ICR1 Users Manual Needed
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 11:16:10 -0400
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John
Foster) wrote:

>I'm looking for a users manual for an Icom ICR1 Hand Held.  If anyone has an
>extra one or would like to sell a used manual please contact me.  My Internet
>account will be changing in a few days, so I will list several E-Mail
>locations that I can be reached at.  Thanks.
>
>73
>KE4CTS
>
>[e-mail] (will be changed to [e-mail] next week)
>[e-mail]
>[e-mail]

What do you need to know?  I have the manual, but won't part with it (as I
have the unit as well).

Cheers.

--
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Rich Fortnum (aka BeeRich)
F & M Breweries Limited
Guelph, Ontario, CANADA
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Wittich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hams really suck?
Date: 6 Sep 1995 11:33:38 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Patrick Cook <[e-mail]> writes:
|> Uhh Gentlemen:
|>
|> On 5 Sep 1995, Jeffrey Wittich wrote:
|>
|> > In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
|> >
|> > (Lots of useless blather deleted)
|> >
|> > |>
|> >  If Congress ever becomes aware of the waste of radio
|> > |> spectrum the hams will have had it (although most of them have had it
|> > |> anyway as their average age has risen from 27 in 1960 to 54 today). It
|> > |> is rare for any young person to be interested in ham radio.
|> > |>
|> > |> It is easy to see why.
|> >
|> > It sure is.  Part of the reason is because of the crap some of their
|> > teachers fill their heads with!
|>
|> If what both of you say is *really* the case, why (or should I say HOW)
|> is it that we are seeing more and more YOUNG HAMS Clubs today???
|>
|> And here's an even better question.  HOW is it that a *15 year old* is
|> this year's recipient of the Newsline Young Ham of the Year award???
|>
|> Looks as if you two have been reading something else OTHER than QST!!!
> DE  KB0OXD

Jeezy Peezy Patrick, you didn't get it!  My toung-in-cheek comment
was directed at Bert.  He is a teacher.  Thankfully, not one that teaches
my kids, but he does exert his influence on SOMEBODY's children.  I
guess I sould have used one of those little emoticon things.

Myself, I'm very proud of the Excellence in Elmering award presented
to me by the Raleigh Amateur Radio Society for my work with young
hams.  15 year olds don't get there by themselves.

73, Jeff
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: ICOM IC22S
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <42e1s5$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Guy Jackson) writes:
>My HAM club at work is cleaning out the shack to generate money for new
>gear.  We have an old ICOM IC22S 2 meter transceiver that is crystal
>controlled.  I am interested in making the club an offer on this rig
>based on a few considerations.
>
>       1)  Can this old crystal controlled transceiver be used as a
>            dedicated packet radio with my KAM all mode?
>
>       2)  Are the crystals for this radio easily obtained?
>
>       3)  What would be a fair price to offer for this radio?
>
>If anyone can answer these questions or is familiar with this radio I
>would appreciate all responses.  Thanks and 73's de KC5CWS Guy Jackson

The IC-22S is diode matrix programmed. It's the IC-22A which is
crystal controlled. The latter is a good packet rig. The IC-22S
only covers 146-148 MHz, so using it around 145.01 MHz for packet
can be a problem. You'll have to modify it for the lower band
segment. I wouldn't pay much at all for a IC-22S. I'd pay a bit
more for the earlier IC-22A, perhaps as much as $50.

Gary
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Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: WANT GE PA TO HAM INFO
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <42f15u$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (SLO County Amateur Radio) writes:
>Looking for any info for changing GE Mastr II PA's so will work stable
>on ham band.  100W PA will only put out 40W on 443 Mhz.  Any procedures
>available other then changing all the capacitors on the board relating
>to frequency splits?  Thanks for any info here or to: [e-mail]

Depending on the combo number for the unit, all that may be necessary
is just peaking it up. It sounds like you have one that needs the
capacitor changes though. There are 3 different GE setups, and the
one intended for the high end of the commercial band won't go down
to the ham band without capacitor changes. The other two will.

Gary

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Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gerald Wall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Info on HTX-212
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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:55:45 GMT
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    The RS HTX-212 (2m mobile) is on sale locally, and some of us are
    thinking of purchasing, since the price is good.

    We're looking for comments from anyone who has had an opportunity to
    use one for a while.  Notably...
        - intermod; how well do they reject spurious frequencies?
        - how well do they operate? (ease of use of controls etc)
        - any flaws that have been noticed?

    Thanks in advance for responses
    Gerry

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 Gerry Wall   [e-mail]  ||  VE3OFT
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:15 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
Date: 6 Sep 1995 13:23:25 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:
>BN>ah, another guy that would make the former engineering director at work
>BN>proud.  he had a low opinion of hams for reasons like this...
>Do you have anything interesting or significant to say to
>this group, or are you just here to make stupid insults?

no, that's a real case -- "J. K." believed that amateur radio operators were
not and could not be good engineers even tho there were 45 working for him.
he was vocal about this on more than one occasion -- fortunately, he's
retired but still there are those that point to things like your saying that
"traditional amateur definitions" are "right" even when they are proveably
wrong as what's "bad" about amateur radio.

and maybe they have a point. part of the reason for being of the amateur
service is for improvement of the operator's knowledge...

do i make a lot of mistakes? sure...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:16 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
Date: 6 Sep 1995 13:26:54 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:
>DM>I know this is useless, but there's nothing "pedantic" about insisting
>DM>on correct vocabulary in a technical discipline.
>Sorry Dana, for most of us mortal hams, this is not a "Technical
>Discipline", even if the FCC words it that way. It is a hobby!
>Get a life!

and this comes back to that engineering director that didn't care for hams since
they didn't or wouldn't really know the nuts and bolts of what goes on under
the hood.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Woods)
Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
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[e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:
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>ZW>I don't know what the "official" definition of "modulation" is, but in my
>ZW>book anything with sidebands (or at least one) is modulation.
>Ah weel, Zack... in the final analysis, I go by common amateur usage,
>whether the pedants like it or not!

Ten-four good buddy!

(What's really shocking is that Brian, as an Extra class licensee, presumably
 knew the correct answer to this question at one time.  Oh well, I *suppose*
 45 isn't quite too young for early senility to set it.

 The correct answer, of course, is that Morse code is a form of amplitude
 modulation, though if you want to get fussy you could also label it a
 variation of pulse-width modulation.)


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
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Burt:

You are very willing to criticize "all ham radio operators", yet
we hear nothing from you about the positive things you have done...
like elmering kids, operating public service events, spreading
international goodwill, increasing your own technical expertise and
sharing it with others, etc.  Please tell us what sets you apart from
your incredibly pejoritive definition of "all hams".  You can start
with:

1) If ham radio and ham operators are the dregs of the earth, why did
you encourage, or even allow, your 14 year old daughter to become a
ham?

2) When she was 8 years old and "contacted Australia on her own rig",
was she licensed?

3) Why didn't you say "she made friends with an Australian" instead?
Sounds like the fact that she "contacted Australia" was more important
than meeting the person.  I thought you didn't condone this kind of
operating?

4) If you are so concerned with youth not being interested in ham
radio, why haven't you been more active elmering them?  You're a
teacher...what better opportunity?  Why is it that of the 23 hams in
your home town, South Dennis, Mass., 19 or them are over age 62,
and only one, your daughter, is younger than 35?

5) And finally:
     Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:

     : QSL QSL, CQ DX, CQ Contest, QSL via buro, I have traffic,
     : Those topics make my Rohn go erect.

  (among many other distastefull comments)

Do you talk this way around your daughter, or do you just expose
other people's children to such talk on Internet?

Nobody cares about your Rohn, your opinions about Germans, or your
fixation with other hams' bedroom activities. Tell us what you have
done for ham radio lately...your public service, your goodwill
activities, your technical prowess. So far, you haven't given anyone
even one good reason to think you might be interesting to know or even
talk to.

By the way, happy birthday (28 August).  And you said hams don't
care...

Greg




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From: [e-mail] (Jay Kesterson K0GU)
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jbmitch ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Wonder if anyone can confirm/deny rumors heard on bands regarding the
: new TS-870 having Digital Signal Processing in the IF stages,rather than
: simply in the audio section?  Also heard that the official announcement
: will be made by KWD on 9/15. From what I can tell, the new FT100MP does
: NOT have IF DSP, and this could be a profound innovation by KWD. Also any
: info on price, availability, etc., would be appreciated.
: 73, John


>From GJ4ICD's Web Page at http://user.itl.net/~equinox/

 ----------------------------------------

                        KENWOOD LAUNCH NEW HF RADIO!

 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kenwood have just introduced their new HF Transceiver, the TS870s! which
replaces the TS850s and TS850sat.

By far the greatest change is that the new radio has a fully digital signal
path.  All filtering, both in terms of width and noise reduction, is
acheived
digitally, so there are no optional analogue filters!

Also built in as standard are a K1 logikeyer for the dedicated cw operator,
an auto atu which covers both tx and rx, plus an RS-232 adaptor internally.

Kenwood may also be able to supply a windows based control program in the
near future.
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

                           TS 870S SPECIFICATION.

 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
By applying the best of it's DSP technology, Kenwood has succeeded in
developing the TS870S, a new gerneration of HF SSB transceiver that offers
superior digital interference reduction as well as receiver performance of
a quality hitherto impossible using the conventional analogue circuitry.
New HF transceivers based on this design concept are collectively called
the "Intelligent Enhanced Communications System". (AA1)

MAIN FEATURES:
HF DSP for post-IF signal processing:
Digital RX Filters: The TS870s features post-IF digital filters for ALL
modes - SSB,CW, AM, FSK and FM, a World first!! offering precise
performance that is unobtainable with analogue circuits.
Bandwidth of the digital filters can be optimised in various working
conditions. You are now also free from struggling to put in the optional IF
filters, thanks to the new razor sharp digital filters.

SSB MODE:
Hi Cut: 1.4 - 6.00khz (12 steps)
Low cut: 0 - 1000hz (10 steps)
CW MODE:
VBT: 50 - 1000hz (6 steps)
SHIFT: 400 - 1000hz (13 steps)
FM MODE:
VBT: 5 - 14khz (6 steps)
AM MODE:
Hi Cut: 2.5 - 7khz (6 steps)
Low Cut: 0 - 500hz (4 steps)
FSK MODE:
VBT: 250 - 1500hz (4 steps)
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
NOISE REDUCTION:
 ---------------
The TS870S is capable of picking out a target signal that is buried in the
noise. To accomplish this, it employs the line enhancer method for ssb mode
and the SPAC method for cw mode.

BEAT CANCEL:
This cancels out the sort of multiple beat interference that can effect
reception automatically, which is impossible for analogue circuits.

IF AUTO NOTCH:
This is a filter which, when beat interference is experienced, attenuates
only the interfering signal. Should the frequency change, the filter
adjusts automatically.
Thanks to the post-IF DSP, it offers more precise performance than
previously possible.

SELECTABLE TX AUDIO QUALITY & Characteristics:
3 types of adjustments are possible:

 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
TX ADJUSTMENT:
 -------------
In SSB and AM Modes, the bandwidth of the bandpass filter can be
controlled.

BAND DIVISION SPEECH PROCESSOR:
The speech processor can be adjusted seperately for low, medium and high
ranges.

TX EQUALISERS:
Equipped with 3 equalisers, high boost, bass boost and comb filter, the
TS870S allows the user to select the desired sound quality.

DSP SIGNAL DETECTION:
Thanks to DSP Technology, the quality of signal detection is better than
possible with conventional transceivers, in terms of both low distortion
and high sound quality.
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
ATU that works on both RX and TX!!!!
Special CW features:
4 Channel Memory in built.....based on the K1 Logikey*tm:
2 Key Connectors!
CW Pitch control between 400 & 1000hz in 50hz steps!
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
NEW DRU-3 DIGITAL RECORDING UNIT:
By adding the DRU-3 unit, up to 60 seconds of continuous digital recording
is possible!
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
There are many more features on this new excellent radio.....contact your
Authorised Kenwood dealer for the full specification sheets.:
de GJ4ICD.
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------


73, Jay  K0GU                  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:21 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: Best Ham Mag?  73 of course!
Date: 6 Sep 1995 14:12:42 GMT
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In <42k77i$ccg$[e-mail]>, David Solomon <[e-mail]> writes:
>What planet did you say you were from?

earth last i checked...but it's a bit overcast just right now so i can't tell
you what color the sky is right this minute.

it's probably in our best interest that there be several ham mags...where we
have a let down is the new guys need to get into this a bit more seriously and
consider subscribing to at least 1...and perusing the others on occasion.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:22 1995
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Subject: Re: code - yes
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In <42it2q$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (MICHAEL CARR) writes:
>I have my tech and I am currently working on my general.  I simply view

very good...

>code as a method to include those who really desire to be in amateur
>radio.  Look at CB.  It's a nightmare to listen to the nonesense and
>the lack of respect.

again, CB has problems that don't exist in the amateur service because
we have some flexibility and agility and history not found on the old 23
channel boxes. if we hadn't had the big oil crunch and speed limit crackdowns
CB might have even effectively "died" except for those that really couldn't afford
anything more in comunications (until cell radiophones popped up..).

>I grew up listening to 2 meter.(I have several relatives who are Hams)
>Now, I can't believe what is being said.  I hope it does not go the way
>of CB.

what's being said? i seem to run into a lot of people that are somehow
irritated that someone is actually using the repeater when they want to do
something else and are distracted by the chatter....but they don't want to miss
anything either...

>Code is a right of passage that maintains the "class" of the general

but that's not good grounds for a test.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:23 1995
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I am in the market for a 2m mobile.  Does anyone have any experience
with the Icom 2000?  A short review would be appreciated.  I am
interested in such things as reliability, features present or missing,
and comparisons with other radios you have used.  Thanks!..Ken..KB1AWV
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:25 1995
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I am looking for several articles in old QST magazines that are no longer
available at any of the local libraries here. Most of the libraries only
catalogue articles back to 5 years ago on micro film. After that you are
on your own.

If any one can help me, I would like the following articles :

 QST Apr 1959, "An inside picture of Directional Wattmeters", W. Bruene

 QST Jul 1973, "A simple computing SWR meter", D. Fayman

 QST Oct 1956, "The Monimatch", L. McCoy

 Ham Radio Aug 1979, "Broadband Power Tracking VSWR Bridge", H. Perras

 Ham Radio May 1980, "Automatic VSWR and Power Meter", V. Leenerts

Also, I find that alot of schematics and articles only deal with HF, how
about anything regarding VHF VSWR measurments ?

You can fax (if you don't mind) any articles to the following fax number
where I work :

        204 783 8286

If you can scan the article (GIF or JPG) that would be even better since we
have the UNIX version of XV at our disposal.

I hope some one can help me here. Thanks.

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            Winnipeg ARES Group, Basic + 5 WPM, Software Eng.
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Musick)
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Subject: Re: Accessing pager via autopatch
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 15:26:49 -0500
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Alan -

Sounds like we're not going to agree on much here. The scenario I
presented, where the supervisor accessed his employee's pager, is clearly
illegal under 97.113(a)(3) - it's communications on behalf of an employer.
This situation was not relieved in the rule change. I'm an OO, so it's a
point to know this sort of thing.

<<repeater operator will allow...red herring>>

Maybe where you live. "Throwing tones" in our neck of the woods will more
than likely get you a phone call from a control op if not the trustee or
club president. Do it twice and you'll likely get your patch privileges
yanked.

As far as repeater policy being decided by the membership, my personal
experience in several clubs is that the trustee (whose legal butt is
technically on the line) has final say-so on policy. Obviously if he/she
bucks the wishes of the membership for very long there will be a "change"
in the following election, but more often than not any controversy about
policy originates from a vocal minority unable to change the outcome.

Actually, it sounds to me like the root of our disagreement is a big
difference in the relative scale of problems we have to deal with. Ours
are probably pretty trivial compared to what you have to deal with in the
LA area, and I s'pose by "micromanaging" our repeaters among a still
relatively disciplined user base we can continue to keep our problems
small.
  ...mm

=============================================================
Mike Musick/N0QBF               [e-mail]**
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:27 1995
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Readers may be interested in my WWW pages:
Try
http://user.itl.net/~equinox
73 de Geoff GJ4ICD



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:28 1995
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In my defense, I suggested a 0.02 fix on a $20. rig.

If you want a 25-year-old military surplus rig to work like a $900 1995
rig, you can do it.  But it's going to cost more than $900 if you figure
your time as worth more than minimum wage.

A speech processor (properly adjusted) is useful on any rig.  There's no
telling what condition the existing audio shaping circuitry is in on a
surplus rig that's old enough to vote.  Getting the deviation down to where
the rig can be heard and understood on the air is the first step.  Better
receiver filtering is esssential as well -- but you can buy a superior
one-chip FM receiver from Moto for $3.   Do you want to go through a
varnish-laden IF chain to get a couple more dB when you can go to Radio
Shack and buy 20 dB and a hamburger for $5?

I am a strong proponent of CHEAP test lash-ups that provide a go/no-go initial
test on surplus gear.  It saddens me when people spend hundreds of dollars
testing and tweaking a tin-can radio when they could have put a nickel bandaid
on it, had some fun, and put the money toward a nice rig -- either a modern
rig or a classic that's worth the time and money.

BTW, is there any place in the country where there's enough 6 meter traffic
for adjacent-channel rejection to be a factor?

Jim N6OTQ



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:30 1995
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     There is nothing illegal in the scenario that Mike described, unless
     it is their regular way of doing business.  Occasional use no longer
     violates the law, as of the last rules change.  You can order pizza,
     too.

     The issue of whether a repeater operator will allow DTMF tones to pass
     is also a red herring.  The operator of a repeater sponsored by a club
     really has no choice, as the membership will demand that capability
     for DTMF paging on their handhelds.  It is not much of a secret that
     the pound sign enables DTMF pass-thru, at least on ACC series
     controllers.

     As to the repeater owner/trustee allowing such use, you said yourself
     that there is no way that they could know of it.  There are enough
     things wrong with my repeater that I know about; I'm not going to
     worry about things I cannot detect.

     73,
     Alan Cook - N7CEU
     WB6YPX Repeater
     -----------------------------------Reply Separator--------------------
     N0QBF wrote:

     >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 1995 10:13:01 -0500
     >From: [e-mail] (Mike Musick)
     >Subject: Calling pagers with autopatch?

     >> Another ham told me the other day that calling a pager using
     >autopatch is
     >> illegal.  Is this true?

     >Jerry -

     >No. There is nothing inherently illegal about calling a pager access
     >port.
     >But whether it's practical depends on the circumstances.

     >Your main problem is that the repeater will likely have DTMF
     >suppression
     >of some sort, and won't pass the tones down the phone line. Some
     >controllers have a bypass code to do this, but then it becomes a
     >question
     >of whether the owner/trustee is going to share that information
     >(frequently this is regarded as a special function for control op use
     >because of its potential for abuse).

     >Another problem is that if there is a "voice mail" associated with
     >the
     >pager, if the outgoing message clearly relates to the paged party's
     >business, then it becomes difficult (from an enforcement/monitoring
     >standpoint) to determine if the traffic was of "pecuniary interest"
     >to the
     >initiating station. (Real scenario - two members of our club work for
     >the

     >same company, and one reports to the other. It is conceivable that
     >the
     >supervisor could access the other's pager via the autopatch and load
     >the
     >phone number for the next assignment. Since the control operators
     >heard no
     >traffic other than the supervisor's ID and a few DTMF tones, they
     >have no
     >idea that a pretty flagrant rules violation just occured.)

     >The short answer is that dialing a pager access number is *not*
     >illegal,
     >but whether it's going to be *allowed* by the repeater/autopatch
     >operators
     >is something you'll have to take up with them.
      > ...mm

     >=============================================================
     >Mike Musick/N0QBF               [e-mail]**
     >TALX Directory Division         [e-mail]
     >St. Louis, MO
     >                Opinions expressed are my own...
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     >how *that* works!
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:31 1995
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From: Vester Scott <vester scott@ip@tmes>
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I did nearly 100% of the illustrations in 73 as a freelancer in St. Louis (and
later in NH)  for over three years in the late 60's, and never once waited for
payment.  It was always immediately by return mail.  I know Wayne personally;
I was his house guest for seveal weeks when I later moved to NH, and I can't
imagine having a finer host.  Although I've lost track of him in recent years,
this doesn't sound like the Wayne Green I used to know.  Maybe he just doesn't
have the money, and is struggling to keep 73 alive; a lot of people would miss
it, I think.

Wayne is eccentric as hell, and possibly in over his head, but I don't see him
as a crook.

-Vester Scott (N8EKA)


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From: [e-mail] (Greg Dolkas)
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Gerald Phillips ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I am atempting to do the extended receive mod. on my DJ580T.  I know
: that you are supposed to cut the red wire, but I want to make sure
: which wire you cut.  With the unit's display facing up and the bottom
: removed you can see a "red" loop wire that is about the same size as
: the blue one, and then there is a small "orange/red" wire at the top.
: I believe I cut the larger loop which is red and not the smaller loop
: that is orange/red.  If anyone can clear this up for me I would greatly
: appreciate it.  Thanks and 73.
:
: KE4MBD - Travis

Yes, the right wire is the thicker, red wire.  The skinnier orange-ish wire
loop goes to the microphone.  Don't ask me how I know this... :-).

Greg  KO6TH


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:33 1995
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They make Machines that do this. You can get annything from an expensive
telephone interface for your whole studio to a little black box from radio
shack.

It's just a little transformer and it does the job Beautifully.

           I've been to denver. Nice city but the air's too thin, I don't
trust any air I can't see.
()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
Roman Bielski, Bklyn,NY 11209
[e-mail]

Tune in Every MONDAY Night to  | Let me be your immortal slave
*** 88.7 fm WRHU  ***                 | and WHIP ME!!
WHIPLASH--Music heavy            | Teenage Rave
 enough to sink any Island.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David C. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is US ham license in Canada valid?
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 95 17:26:06 GMT
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You can go to customs *before* you leave and get a form for each peice of
equipment you might carry with you. Just stop by the US customs office at any
international airport, ship port or boarder crossing and ask for the form for
personnel equipment to be taken overseas (out of country). You will need the
equipment you want these forms for with you. I keep mine in my vehicle just
incase I end up there on a weekend trip (I live about 3 hours south of the
boarder.
Good Luck
73's
- dave -

In article <[e-mail]>,
   "Bill Bowman Sr." <[e-mail]> wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, M Lang wrote:
>
>> Hi, I'm wondering if I can use my ham radios while I visit
>> Canada? Is the US ham license recognized in Canada? I'm
>> not talking about communicating with Canadian hams but
>> rather using ham radio equipments between our groups while
>> we visit there.
>>
>> Thanks for any info.
>>
>>  - Minh -
>>
>>
>Yes, just make sure you have a copy of your license.  It might also aid
>you in having a copy of your receipts for your radio equipment with you
>in case there is any questions with customs officials when you return.
>
>73 < Bill VE4UB
>
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Subject: Re: Racist hams in Germany
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[e-mail] (Joel B Levin) sed:

:><Plonk>

Plonk?!?    ;-D  Is that like !BAM! or !KAPOW! or something like what's on the
Batman and Robin shows?

BTW:  How'z everthin goin Joel?  Long time no talk to on two. :)
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[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) sed:

:>I'm anxious to get my callsign and the 800 number is usually busy.
:>Anyone have the FCC's Web address with the callsign server?

Drew, what day did you take your exam?  If it has been within the last week you
need to wait a couple more days.  I checked out all the licenses issued from
August 28th to September 5th and yours was not among them.

Cheers!
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:37 1995
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From: tomrune@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Tom Rune Lauknes)
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Subject: Ham stores in San Francisco ?
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 Can anyone please provide me with some adresses of ham-stores
 in the San Francisco area. My uncle is going there September 9th.

  Please respond via e-mail.

   73s Tom R. Lauknes, LA1BJA
   [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:38 1995
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Ok, so the "crystal" makes the difference right? Well, what kind
of crystal can i use? how big does it have to be?  Will normal
Quartz work or is Galena the only option?

--gaspo.

- Scott Gasparian      -   "gaspo"  KE6SRG    - Umwelt Schutzen, -
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian D. Suggs)
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Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
Date: 6 Sep 1995 18:39:13 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Brian Carling <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Dana Myers pontificated thusly:
>
>DM>I know this is useless, but there's nothing "pedantic" about insisting
>DM>on correct vocabulary in a technical discipline.
>
>Sorry Dana, for most of us mortal hams, this is not a "Technical
>Discipline", even if the FCC words it that way. It is a hobby!
>Get a life!
>
>DM>Apparently, Brian,
>DM>you mistakenly believe that "variation" of a carrier can not include
>DM>turning the carrier on and off.
>
>In common parlance, Dana, we do not say "VARIATION" for things that go
>on and off, for example, "Honey would you go VARY that lamp?"!

[...]

I can understand your point that in most discussions we don't refer to OOK
as modulation, but (from my perspective, at least) it is because it is
understood already and does not add to the discussion to point it out.

However, when the question specifically asks: "Is it modulation?"  You should
be able to just answer "Yes", and leave it at that.

In your example, typical usage would not be to say "Honey would you go VARY
that lamp?", but if someone asked you if you were varying it by turning it
off and on, I would hope you could simply say "Well, yes, I suppose I am."

[...]

>generate about this nonsense. CW is not referred to as "amplitude
>Modulation" by the vast vast majority of my fellow amateurs in their day
>to day technical discussions, so I do not bend toward this silliness.
>

That is because their day to day technical discussion usually do not need
to specify whether it is modulation or not, but when the discussion turns
to a subject involving the consequences of modulation, it is certainly
germain to point out the fact that OOK is a form of modulation.

[...]

>DM>Furthermore, you go on to berate anyone who does not
>DM>agree with you, declaring them full of "horse poop" and "pedants".
>
>No, you lie. I did NOT call any individual either on of those names.
>If you can supply the quote where I did, please put up or shut up!
>
>DM>I'm not rude or arrogant to point out your errors;

No Dana, your rudeness and arrogance is completely independent of the fact
that you pointed out his errors. ;-)

-Brian (no, not THAT Brian)


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Think you meant "Rick" Palm.




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Hollenback)
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gaspo ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Ok, so the "crystal" makes the difference right? Well, what kind
: of crystal can i use? how big does it have to be?  Will normal
: Quartz work or is Galena the only option?

Quartz? no. 1N34? even better ... don't need to muck with the cat whisker.
Hint ... the crystal needs to be a semiconductor, not an insulator. Galena
was chosen because 1N34's weren't commonly availiable in 1915.

Jim, WA6SDM



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Drew, what day did you take your exam?  If it has been within the last
week you
>need to wait a couple more days.  I checked out all the licenses issued
from
>August 28th to September 5th and yours was not among them.

Yeah, I know...I've been checking the Web server and it hasn't shown up
yet.

I tested on Sat, Sept 2nd at Shelby, NC.  The VE team said that the
paperwork would be filed with the FCC electronically.  Oh well...a few
more days won't kill me.  Still need to find a cheap 2-meter radio
anyways...

-Drew in Charlotte-



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:44 1995
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Subject: Re: Hams really suck?
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Patrick Cook <[e-mail]> wrote:

>If what both of you say is *really* the case, why (or should I say HOW)
>is it that we are seeing more and more YOUNG HAMS Clubs today???

Like where is this occurring?


>And here's an even better question.  HOW is it that a *15 year old* is
>this year's recipient of the Newsline Young Ham of the Year award???

You think a 70 year old would win it?
There are a few young hams but almost EVERYONE gives it
up in two years, most 6 months.



>I rest my case...

You lose.

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:45 1995
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Wittich) wrote:

>Myself, I'm very proud of the Excellence in Elmering award presented
>to me by the Raleigh Amateur Radio Society for my work with young
>hams.  15 year olds don't get there by themselves.
>
>73, Jeff

Is your last name Hornblower?


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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Rice)
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In article <42f01d$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Floyd Adams) writes:
> [e-mail] (Guy Jackson) wrote:
>
>>My HAM club at work is cleaning out the shack to generate money for new
>>gear.  We have an old ICOM IC22S 2 meter transceiver that is crystal
>>controlled.  I am interested in making the club an offer on this rig
>>based on a few considerations.
>
>>      1)  Can this old crystal controlled transceiver be used as a
>>            dedicated packet radio with my KAM all mode?
>>
>>      2)  Are the crystals for this radio easily obtained?
>
>>      3)  What would be a fair price to offer for this radio?
>
>>If anyone can answer these questions or is familiar with this radio I
>>would appreciate all responses.  Thanks and 73's de KC5CWS Guy Jackson
>
> Guy, I'm not real familiar with the capabilities of the Icom 22S, but
> I believe it is a diode matrix programmable radio.  This means you
> solder a series of diodes in a matrix board to program the frequencies
> that you want stored in the radio.  This radio later came out as a
> 22U, which was pushbutton (BCD) programmable.  The limitation, if I
> remember correctly is that it is not set up for the current 2 meter
> band plan.  It will work on some repeaters, but not all of them.  If
> you are wanting to use it on simplex for packet, I would think it
> would perform fine, although I am not familiar with its speed to
> switch from tx to rx.  Since it is an older radio, it may not be too
> fast.  The diodes needed to program the radio are readily available
> and inexpensive.  As far as price, I would not value it too high.  I
> hope this helped a little...73's  Floyd  WD5ENJ

The 22"S" was diode 'programable' in 30khz increments. There were 10
programmable 'positions' on the 'channel switch'. There was a 'mod' to
give you 15K splits, as I remember. It 'switches' fast enough for
packet, but the original radio only covers 146-148 and requires some
'work' to get it down below 146. There was an IC-22 that was crystal
controlled.

There were a couple of 'after market' rotary BCD switch kits that turned
the radio into an 'all channel repeater rig, but I doubt you could find
one of the 'kits' now.


If it's really a 22'S' and you need a manual, e-mail me and I'll try to
copy mine for you (if I can find it :-). I had two of the radios and
still have one of them 'on the shelf' :-).


--------

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Herndon R. Elliott)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
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[e-mail] (WARREN WHITBY) wrote:

snip

>I suffer from this and it has made learning the code extremly hard, closer
>to impossible.  I can not distinguish a dot from a dash, they all sound the
>same.  I have tried different tapes, with different settings of base and
>treble, with no luck.  I have tried learning by computer programs with no
>luck.  Everytime I explain it to someone they come back with the
>response that I can learn the code by seeing flashes of light.  What value
>is that over the air?  That is when CW becomes an initiation right, not
>something of use.

WOW!!!! Somebody else who understands!!!

Screw the code.  I've tried it, and its nothing but an initiation
rite.  Someday, after we have had all our frequencies reallocated to
businesses, we will wish we had done something to open up the higher
level licenses to modern practitioners.  As it is, I will stay a
codeless tech, and work on the wireless networking technology in the
Army, where I don't need to know about CW, or Morse code, or spark gap
generators.





Herndon Elliott
Amateur Radio:  KE4KUZ (147.505Mhz or 444.575Mhz)
Internet: [e-mail] (home)
Internet: [e-mail] (work)
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human overcrowding.  If we don't do something
about it, something will be done for us, and it
won't be pretty.
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:48 1995
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I recently fried my calibration module, and since it's potted in resin,
it's hopeless.  Does anyone have a schematic, or perhaps a spare they
would sell.  This is the later version that uses a zener voltage
reference.  I'd also like to pick up spare card sets, and possibly even
a complete tester in good operational shape.  Any and all help will be
greatly appreciated, and promptly rewarded.

Mike Hathaway

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (michael silva)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Date: 7 Sep 1995 07:28:25 GMT
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In <42llhf$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Herndon
R. Elliott) writes:

>Someday, after we have had all our frequencies reallocated to
>businesses, we will wish we had done something to open up the higher
>level licenses to modern practitioners.

Are you suggesting businesses are only after our HF frequencies?  If
not, then what does Morse have to do with it?  A no-code Tech can do
(practically) anything that an Extra can do above 50MHz.  How exactly
will no-code Extras save our frequencies?

> As it is, I will stay a
>codeless tech, and work on the wireless networking technology in the
>Army, where I don't need to know about CW, or Morse code, or spark gap
>generators.
>
What do CW, Morse code or (yawn) spark gaps have to do with wireless
networking technology?  To the extent that hams may be experimenting
with it, are they primarily using HF?  Which amateurs did you have in
mind who *do* need to know about spark gap "generators"?

This is yet another post written as though the no-code Tech license
didn't exist.  It's been four years now, people.  Talk about trapped in
the past...

Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:50 1995
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 09:50:15 CDT
From: <[e-mail]>
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Subject: chicago area: please retransmit shuttle on a repeater
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Will someone in the chicago please transmit shuttle audio on a regular basis
on a chicago area repeater (preferably 2-meters, but anything would be great)!

Thanks much..

-boB


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:51 1995
From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)
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Subject: Re: Origins of digi-key (w
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 1995 12:23:49 -0100
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SS>
SS>I remember a Minnesota company that was selling a CW automatic Keyer
SS>(for those of you who aren't hams, a keyer is a step up from a
SS>"straight key" for sending Morse Code - you hit one paddle to make
SS>dits, the other paddle to make dah's) through ads in the back of QST
SS>and 73 in the early-to-mid 70's.  Is this, by any chance, the
SS>company that became today's Digi-Key?
SS>

Yes indeed, Digi-Key had it's roots there. When the keyer did not
sell well, and they had a big-time inventory of excess parts, the
"company strategy" was changed to sell off the parts. The result
is history!

73, de 5ans, K05B
(darn, gotta adjust that key -- keeps sending 5's for H's)





From [e-mail] Thu Sep 07 16:56:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Info on HTX-212
Date: 7 Sep 1995 12:33:13 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gerald Wall) writes:
>    The RS HTX-212 (2m mobile) is on sale locally, and some of us are
>    thinking of purchasing, since the price is good.

I found an ICOM box at or below the price, but I do have a 212.  As a slight
added cost the TSP, for $39.00, gives you a 5 year guarantee and replacement if
not repairable.  If the 212 is superceded, they will replace an unrepairable
unit with the new one.  Weigh the cost.


>    We're looking for comments from anyone who has had an opportunity to
>    use one for a while.  Notably...

I got mine right after the announcement in Dayton.  It hasn't had a problem yet
and it is fairly easy to use.  When connecting a TNC you have to us an RJ-45
plug, but that isn't bad.

>        - intermod; how well do they reject spurious frequencies?
>        - how well do they operate? (ease of use of controls etc)
>        - any flaws that have been noticed?

No flaws yet.  The intermod isn't quite as good as the HTX-202, but then the
receive is much wider.  The controls are easy to use, and the memory inout is
fairly easy and not confusing at all.

>    Thanks in advance for responses
>    Gerry

> Gerry Wall   [e-mail]  ||  VE3OFT
>----------------------------------------------------

        De Nada
        Mike Urso KB9KFE




From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: need help with fm bug jammer
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 16:47:55 GMT
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In article <4269vv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (%username%) writes:
>help needed to detect an fm range (88MHz to 108MHz) bug and then
>to jam the bug at that frequency.
>
>Any help would be appreciated.

The easiest way to detect and jam such a bug is to tune an FM
broadcast receiver (with the volume turned up high) across the
FM band while near the bug. When you hit the bug's frequency,
a loud feedback howl will result. Not only does this locate
the bug, but effectively jams it as well.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Summary: improvised microphones
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <41kref$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 18:00:46 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:
>>                <snip>
>>Er, I think new hams CAN use 10m FM with the NOCODE TECH license,
>>can't they? I don't hear any of them using carbon mike FM xmtrs though!
>>                <snip>
>
>No, NOCODE TECHs can NOT use 10-meters, either FM, SSB, AM, or CW.
>10-meters is considered HF (below 30 MHz), and access to HF bands requires
>code.

Correct (for now anyway).

>P.S. Err, just how do you build a FM transmitter using a carbon mike
>directly?  I'm aware that you can build an AM transmitter by amplitude
>modulating a carrier directly via absorption modulation using a carbon
>mike (and you can get some real nasty RF burns on your lips this way, too!).

Gad! You don't want to do that. Use the carbon mike in the *cathode*
circuit. Use RF bypass capacitors at the cathode to keep RF off the
mike. You can also do conventional plate modulation with a modulation
transformer and a battery loop for the carbon mike. (Of course if you're
into high power, parallel a bunch of carbon elements to keep the current
below the clumping level, or get modern and use an active device to
amplify the output of the carbon loop.)

>However, I'm not sure how you would change the frequency (at least, in any
>predictable way) by using a carbon mike.  Hmmm, you might be able to
>directly modulate an FM signal using a capacitive microphone.

You can use a capacitive mike directly, but it tends to be microphonic,
IE it's hard to avoid lots of handling noise. The way our friends at
Motorola used a carbon mike in FM gear like the 5V and 40D was to feed
the carbon loop to an audio amplifier which then drove a reactance
modulator (or today a varactor). To drive a varactor, you can skip
the audio amplifier and just take the output across a loop choke
(or an audio transformer) to drive the varactor.

Here's a more or less typical carbon mike circuit.

   -----------------------------------    --------->
   |                                 |   |
   |                                 )||(
  (M) mike                       T1  )||(           AF out
   |                                 )||(
   |------*|*|*|---------------------|  |----------->
         Battery

A carbon mike is just a variable resistor whose resistance is
proportionate to the sound waves striking it. It modulates the
DC in the battery loop and expresses the audio across the audio
transformer (or a choke, or the mike element itself, with capacitor
audio pickoff). Carbon mikes can easily handle currents up to around
100 ma, so fairly high level audio output is possible. Battery is
typically 45 to 90 volts (a real battery isn't needed, any DC source
will do, including that found in a tube's cathode circuit).

You *could* use a carbon mike directly to control the frequency
of an oscillator, like a 555 astable for example, by using its
"R" as the "R" in the oscillator time constant. Or you could
use the varying DC from the loop to vary the junction capacitance
of a bipolar transistor oscillator.

A crude, but servicable, carbon microphone can be made with
two double edge razor blades and a pencil "lead" (from a mechanical
pencil). Just stick the razor blades in the lid of a cardboard box,
a cigar box works great, and lay the pencil lead across the two blades.
Hook your wires to the blades, add battery, and you're in business.
Of course it's easier to just grab a good carbon mike out of a
telephone handset.

Continuing along the line of improvised microphones, a small speaker,
or a headset element, make very servicable dynamic microphones. A
crystal earphone, or a ceramic phono cartridge, can be used as
piezo microphones as well. The earphone needs a bit of rubber
tubing and a household funnel to get best output, and the ceramic
cartridge can have its needle placed on a sounding board (again
the faithful cigar box works well). These microphones *will*
need an audio amplifier of some sort. Unlike a carbon mike,
their output is low, though the ceramic cartridge can put out
half a volt of audio or so if you shout at the box. At normal
conversational levels, you'll only get a few tens of millivolts
out of these improvised mikes, and will need an audio amplifier.
A carbon mike can produce up to about 5 watts of audio without
an amplifier. (You normally wouldn't run the loop that hot,
but you can.)

The fidelity of these improvised mikes can surprise you. All
of them are of adequate "communications" quality, and some
are better than that. I've used both the razor blade carbon
mike and the crystal earphone piezo mike with AM transmitters,
and got *compliments* on the audio quality. Whether that says
something about the quality of typical amateur microphones
(and over-cranked speech processors) or not I'll leave you
to judge.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: [?] Radio Shack hand-held frequency counter
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 18:09:10 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>   I see from a 1994 Radio Shack catalogue that they were offering a Digital
>Hand-held 1 - 1300MHz Frequency Counter for $99.99 (Cat.No. 22-305).
>
>   I will be visiting the U.S. shortly and wonder whether anyone can tell me
>whether this unit is good value for money - or not.  I'm not expecting such a
>small device to be very accurate, but it could be useful to me when I need to
>determine the approximate frequency of small transmitters that I encounter
>from time to time. I'd be interested to know at what range it might be able to
>pick up and read the frequency of, say, a 100 milliwatt 160MHz hand-held Tx.
>
>   Any comments, alternative suggestions (at similar cost) will be much
>appreciated.

This is, somewhat surprisingly, a very well made little counter.
One of its better features is that it isn't overly sensitive,
unlike some of its competitors, so it'll work properly even in
a high RF environment. Recomended.

(If you want a "snooper", this isn't the counter for you. But
if you want a good piece of test equipment, this is a bargain.)

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way! NOT!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]> <41t5k5$[e-mail]> <429qpg$[e-mail]>
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In article <429qpg$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bob Gilbert) writes:
>
>I am a no-code tech licensed in 1992 and, although I could probably cite many
>excuses for not having acquired CW skills, the bottom line is that I have just
>not done it. Period. I hardly think that lack of effort - and that is what it
>all comes down to - constitutes reason for changing regulations that would
>flood the bands with folks who really have no business being there. I would
>love to have the priviledges of a higher class license, and one day I will
>... but I believe that getting there should be a result of having learned the
>necessary skills and not the result of crying 'poor me'!

It's not about crying "poor me". Rather it is about whether a code
speed test is a "necessary" skill for HF access any longer. The FCC
has already spoken about whether a code speed test is "necessary"
for VHF+ access. I think the answer is the same for HF, but the
FCC can't act as long as Article 32 of the ITU regs requires it.
After the next competent WARC, that may change. The original
rationale for a code speed test is gone with the passing of
life safety service use of Morse. It's now just one of many
modes amateurs can choose to use, or not, on HF. Survey says
78% of presently code speed tested amateurs choose not. That
puts Morse usage squarely in the specialty mode category along
with other minor modes (which do *not* have separate test elements).

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]> <42ark9$[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 18:58:17 GMT
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In article <42ark9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (samuel sprayberry) writes:
>I may be out of line but I am going to say my piece since everyone else
>is.
>    I am a Technician class and am preparing to take my MROP.  Even
>after I get my GROL I wont be able to move up and try to get a career
>due to the fact that I just can't get code.  The sounds sound the same
>and I have tried for years to get it.

Not to be uncharitable, but you may have been trying for years *the
wrong way*. It took me 13 months to get to 13 WPM, and no it didn't
come 1 WPM per month. I had to try several *different* conditioning
strategies before I found something that worked for me. The way I
discovered may not work for you, but the odds are that there is
*some* strategy that will work. Just banging your head against the
same wall, probably *isn't* the correct strategy for you. Try several
different methods, and give each a fair chance. Human variability
in this sort of conditioning is huge. One method does not fit all,
just like one size does not fit all.

>    I wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit to see code go out.  I saw the
>posting where one person said that amature radio is incentive based and
>all of that.  Well has it ever occured to anyone that all of these
>levels and beurocracy is why amature radio has gone dramaticly down in
>popularity?  I say if you want to do packet, have test and training
>devoted to packet only and tv, etc.  If HAMs cling on to the past,
>amature radio will become a thing of the past.

Your points would carry more weight if you could spell "amateur",
but be that as it may, I agree that the present baroque and
bureaucratic licensing structure has done harm to the amateur
service over what is now three decades. But adding *more* layers
to the baroque cake *isn't* the answer. Instead we should be
attempting to rationalize the testing and licensing system to
meet the legitimate interests of government in regulating our
access to the airwaves, *and stop there*. Beyond those legitimate
interests, what modes amateurs choose to use, or what equipment
and methods they choose to build or operate should be part of
the lifelong self-learning aspect of amateur radio, as free from
arbitrary bureaucratic interference as possible as long as good
engineering practice is observed.

>    Also why the devil should we keep code when technology has made it
>obsolete?  Even in third world countries they have voice
>communications?

(Oh, the devil is making me do this.) Voice is the least efficient
mode under severe interference or high noise levels. Poor as it
is, Morse can be better. Of course there are much better methods
than Morse too, but just saying the third world has access to voice
technology isn't a good argument. A better argument would be to
say the third world has access to better techniques than Morse,
which is true. But even that doesn't cut to the heart of matters.
Perhaps much of the third world has to carry water from a stream
in buckets, but that doesn't mean first or second world people
shouldn't use the tap over the sink until they've demonstrated
that they too can carry buckets from the stream. Limitations on
the third world simply aren't relevant to conditions in the first
or second worlds. Universal interoperability is a laudable goal to
some, mostly DXers I suspect, but Morse interoperability doesn't
require manual methods on *both* ends of the circuit.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:11:39 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio) writes:
>
>The problem is that this is SUPPOSED to be an incentive licensing system. I
>started out as a Tech and moved up to Extra because I wanted more out of the
>hobby, hence the incentive to upgrade.

Yes, there is incentive to upgrade, but incentive to do *what*? Mainly
it is incentive to condition wetware to be a mediocre modem, a rote
process. Is that really something we *want* to encourage? Wouldn't it
be better if the incentive system were to have as a goal encouraging
something more useful and relevant to modern communications? For example,
a grasp of the idea of lifelong learning and experimentation with various
communications techniques. That's what amateur radio is supposed to be,
a living classroom, not a rote conditioning exercise in the most primitive
of techniques. A system that encourages people to turn off their thinking
processes in favor of reflex seems more harmful than beneficial to me.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: 7 Sep 1995 12:34:21 GMT
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In article <424qub$[e-mail]>, Peter Lemken <[e-mail]> writes:
|>
|> Don't flame me. Prove me wrong and I will most humbly apologize for my
|> speculations.
|>

He can't prove you wrong.  I lived in Germany for 6 years and actually got my
first ham license while over there.  I knew many Americans who complained all
the time about how unfriendly they found it.  Of course, they also refused to
even attempt to learn to speak German.  I (and my family) found the people very
friendly and I greatly miss my many friends from there.  There is no comparison
between our monthly DOK meetings and what passes for a ham club over here.  Or
in the different concepts of Field Day.  My biggest problem over there was getting
enough sleep as I used to sit up till way past midnight talking on the radio.
since I have come back, I can't usually find a reason to even turn the radio on
much less talk on it.

bill
KB3YV  (formerly N2APY / DA1WO)

--
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Global Daylight - nighttime / World time for windows
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 13:49:54 -0500
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'World Watch' time piece and screen saver for MS windows.
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:15 1995
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:16 1995
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Anyone have a current address and number for
Circuit Board Specialists ??

Thanks...

Hugh Duff  VA3TO  Toronto


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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:17 1995
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: This Week in Amateur Radio #128 (for air through 9/15/95)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 23:35:53 -0500
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Here is a summary of news items covered on edition #128 of
"This Week in Amateur Radio", North America's satellite-delivered
audio bulletin service, for the week ending 16-Sep:
-
1.   Amateurs in the Carribean Active in the Wake of Hurricane Luis
2.   FCC Rethinking Recently Announced Office Closings
3.   Australian Official Visits FCC's LA Office
4.   Three New Cosmonauts Aboard the MIR Space Station, One a Ham
5.   Scatter Chasers Celebrate the Founding of New Comet
6.   Launch of Shuttle Endeavor Re-starts US Space Program
7.   Sales of "Windows95" Top $1 Million Mark in Record Time
8.   Weekly Propagation Forecast with George Bowen, N2LQS
9.   Clever New Virus Found in Microsoft Word Document Files
10.  "Amateur Radio Newsline" - Edition #943 from Los Angeles
11.  "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
12.  "The RAIN Dial-up" from Chicago
13.  Upcoming Special Event Stations
-
Satellite time and uplink equipment have been provided by SKYVISION
as a service to the amateur radio community.
-
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is a weekly amateur radio news and
information service, in audio newsmagazine format, which is produced
by Community Video Associates, Inc., a New York State not-for-profit
corporation based in Albany, New York.  The program is carried on
the "Tech Talk Network" each Saturday at 8:00 PM (EDT) on the
Telstar 302 commercial communications satellite, transponder 21
(11V), 5.8 MHz wideband audio (4.120 GHz), located at 85 degrees
west longitude in geosynchronous orbit, and can be heard on various
VHF/UHF repeaters throughout the United States and Canada, as well
as on 160 meters at 1860 kHz.  Contact your local amateur radio club
or repeater operator if "This Week in Amateur Radio" is not being
heard in your area.
-
Production and transmission expenses are underwritten by
contributions from repeater system operators, amateur radio clubs,
and individuals.  For further information, contact George Bowen,
N2LQS, at 518/283-3665, or Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB, at
518/664-6809.  You may also reach them via amateur packet @
WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA or on the Internet to [e-mail]
or [e-mail].


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Mandaville)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Crystal Radio Information?
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 1995 12:16:21 +0600
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 Will normal
> Quartz work or is Galena the only option?
>
Scott, your reference to quartz suggests you may be confusing the crystal
detector used in old-time receiving sets with the quartz crystals used in
transmitters to control the transmitter's frequency.  The two functions
are completely different, and what you are after is the crystal detector.
In the old days this consisted of a chunk of galena (an ore of lead -- or
other mineral such as carborundum) held in a clamp with a so-called cat
whisker, which was a thin spring copper or brass wire with a movable
handle in a kind of ball joint that made it possible to feel around on the
galena surface with the wire until a sensitive spot was found and detected
radio signals appeared in the earphones.

To me as a boy crystal set constructor it was the magic of scratching
around on the crystal until I quote found unquote a radio station that
gave much of the thrill.  The other part of the thrill was that no battery
or other power was needed. It would run forever, free!

If you just want to hear the radio without the nostalgia you can get a
fixed crystal detector (such as the 1N34A, try Radio Shack) in which a
connection is already attached to a germanium crystal at the factory.
This tiny gizmo is permanently sensitive, requiring no adjustment, and you
just connect the leads into your circuit and forget about it.

It's generally possible to hear radio stations with little more than an
antenna, a ground, a crystal detector and a pair of earphones, but you'll
probably hear more than one station at the same time.  Using a fixed coil
and variable capacitor ( or a variable coil and fixed capacitor) helps
tune in a specific station.  Most crystal sets, however, are famous for
their inability to tune sharply and separate strong stations if more than
one is nearby.

I'm sure you can find some instructions and designs for building crystal
sets in  your public library in  a book with projects for electronics
beginners. (Sometimes it's great to become a beginner again!).

Good luck.


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:19 1995
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Subject: Re: Full of........???
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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VS>It's "enamored of," not "enamored with."

VS>We all WANT to be perfect, like you.  Please don't disappoint us, now.

VS>Vester (N8EKA).

The pedants strike again! No, most of us say "enamored with."
Language is always changing you know.
AT least it's not as bad a mistake as "old adage" which I hear
very frequently (and erroneously) used!

Brian (AF4K)
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:21 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How do you answer?
Date: 9 Sep 1995 18:27:47 GMT
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>   [e-mail] (Thomas Randall) writes:
>  Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>
>  : [e-mail] wrote:
>
>  : >the emergency aspect of amateur radio is the main reason i use when
>  : >explaining why i like the hobby.  i tell people that i don't like
>  : >sitting around feeling helpless and useless when a major disaster
>  : >strikes.  i tell them that it's the most useful method i can think of
>  : >that helps all the local organizations on a whole keep their act
>  : >together and keep moving during an emergency.  that usually satisifies
>  : >them.
>  : >
>  : >greg
>  : >kd6ven
>
>  : I see, just lie.
>  : In a disaster, most times ham radio is a disaster.
>  :
>  : #================#=====================================================#
>  : |  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
>  : | Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
>  : |    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
>  : #================#=====================================================#
>  : | [e-mail]                               [e-mail]  |
>  : #======================================================================#
>
>  : Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
>  :          for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).
>
>
>
>     I imagine the folks in Oaklahoma and the hurricane prone states would
>  disagree with that statement. Care to explain WHY ham radio is a disaster
>  during disasters?
>
>  Tom
>
>
>>>>
If you trained in emergency operation, and have a station that can operate during & after the disaster, you
will do just fine, if not , you'll be one of the guys that calls on some other "more prepared" ham.



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:22 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
Date: 9 Sep 1995 18:31:08 GMT
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>   [e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:
>  BC>>Ah well, Zack... in the final analysis, I go by common amateur
>  BC>>usage, whether the pedants like it or not!
>
>  JW>Ten-four good buddy!
>
>  JW>(What's really shocking is that Brian, as an Extra class licensee, presumabl
>  JW> knew the correct answer to this question at one time.  Oh well, I *suppose*
>  JW> 45 isn't quite too young for early senility to set it.
>
>  John - go cram it up your waistcoat, you stupid oaf!!
>  You make Burt Fisher look like he was right after all about hams
>  (shudder!)
>
>  This group has an astounding number of lame-brain idiots like you that
>  have nothing better to do than argue like babies going:
>  "Tis - Tisn't, Tis - Tisn't" all the time. How pathetic! No wonder
>  so many hams prefer contesting to ragchewing!
>
>  Your attempts to "prove you are right" without allowing for the other
>  person's choice of understanding something, show that you, and others
>  like you are full of pride and arrogance. Your pathetic argument is
>  nothing beyond, "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" Although
>  anyone intelligent knows it was the chicken(!)
>
>  As far as I am concerned, morse code is just that, a code. It is a
>  binary code with on off keying used to send this digital signal.
>  Amplitude modulation involves modulating a continuous carrier signal.
>  AM is A3 voice modulation of a carrier. Now if you want to talk about
>  _A2_, and you are all probably too young to remember the days when we
>  enjoyed THAT wonderful mode, with it's low background noise, then THAT
>  IS CW that IS amplitude modulation.
>
>  No matter how annoyed you get, how rude you get or how angry you get,
>  you cannot alter the fact that most hams refer to A3 as Amplitude
>  Modulation. Listen to 3880 kc any evening and you will hear it if you
>  have never heard it before. Listen to your AM medium wave radio. That
>  is amplitude modulation. Then go listen to 7035 kc. That is CW.
>  A1 - on and off keying of a single signal RF wave. No modulators
>  allowed there on 7035, he he!
>
>  We do not refer to CW as "AM" nor do we refer to packet or SSTV as
>  "AM", even though by YOUR understanding, they would be AM. This is
>  amateur radio, not "The PHd Bigot Pedants Club!"
>
>  No doubt you and others like you will next claim that AM is really a
>  digital signal because the operator turns the carrier on and off
>  with his PTT switch.
>
>  BTW - you forgot one: SSTV is really an FM signal, and an AM SSB signal
>  combined.
>
>  Oh and last but not least, EVERY time you QSY, you are transmitting
>  an FM signal, and when your rig is off all night it is really
>  transmitting one state of an "amplitude modululation" CW signal -
>  the "OFF" state. Feh!
>
>  73 de AF4K Brian Carling, A.E.E.T (and proud of it!)
>
>  p.s. Before you grumble about this message, I will say this:
>       "Don't dish it out if you can't take it."
>  ---
>   ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Boycott PBPC!
>
>
>>>>
This sounds like one of those misguided arguements I hear all the time on, 14.313mhz & 3.853mhz.  Whata
joke....



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: FM Voice use below 29.5mhz
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <42r4ht$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Don Murray) writes:
>I need a little help getting something straightened out in regards to the use of FM
>voice on freqs below 29.5mhz.  I seem to recall a question on my Advanced written
>that asked why FM voice was not used below 29.5mhz, and also recall that the
>correct answer had something to do with excessive bandwith.  I have read, and
>reread part 97 and can not find nothing that limits the use of FM Voice below 29.5
>mhz.. Is this something that falls under the "Good Amateur practice" clause, or is
>it something that is covered by a section of part 97 that I have either misread, or
>do not understand..

Repeater operation isn't permitted below 29.5 MHz, and since much of
the FM operation on 10 meters is related to repeaters, that has become
a defacto cutoff frequency. However, F3 emission is permitted below
29.5, in fact basically everywhere A3 emission is permitted (with a
couple of exceptions). However, there's another restriction on F3
emissions below 29.0 MHz, they must not occupy more spectrum than
an A3 emission. Since that's narrower than traditional amateur NBFM,
little FM activity can be found below 29.0 MHz. The FM capture advantage
disappears at small deviations, so there's no advantage to using FM where
deviation is strongly limited.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Calling pagers with autopatch?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <42rae8$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David C. Miller) writes:
>Digital pagers should be OK except as noted below. However, voice pagers that
>transmit a spoken message would clearly violate the rules concerning re
>transmitting amateur communications on other services.

There are basically *no* rules prohibiting retransmitting amateur
communications on other services. The prohibitions are the other
way, prohibiting amateurs from retransmitting signals of other
services over amateur radio.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (meyer toole)
Subject: Re: TS-870 rumors
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The TS-870 was released yesterday.
I played with it today at Norham Radio in Toronto.
It is great.  I am a TS-850 user, and this new radio looks great.
The DSP, auto-notch, auto noise reduction, and variable AGC really make
the 870 stand out.
They have even added little touches, such as putting the little dimple
back in the tuning knob.
Meyer.
VE3ECX

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Hideg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Wayne Green
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 1995 23:56:01 -0500
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In article <42qds2$[e-mail]>, Gordon Couger
<[e-mail]>= wrote:

> I have followed Wayne a lot of years and his rantings turn out to be right
> a lot of the time. He is not afaid to say what he thinks even when I cost
> him his biggest advertizer in Micro 80. The advertizer was Radio Shack.

You cost him his biggest advertizer? Is he still pissed at you about it?
What did he say to you?

--Steve


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Hideg)
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Subject: Re: PHONE TAP: YOU MEAN PHONE PATCH!
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In article <42qejj$[e-mail]>, Don Huff <[e-mail]> wrote:

> JUST A HAM RADIO TERMINOLOGY CLARIFICATION:  TELEPHONE INTERFACES  TO

<deletia>

I thought hp computers had lower-case letters in their character sets by now.


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey A. Harvey)
Subject: H-P knob (I remember a funny...)
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I saw this Subject Heading "H-P knob" and it reminded me of
a funny incident a couple of years ago...

The salesman from HP was demonstrating the latest test equipment.
He kept mentioning an "Are Pee Gee" and we didn't understand
what the hell he was talking about.  I interrupted and asked
him, "What is an 'Are Pee Gee'?"  His chest swelled with pride
as he answered, "The RPG is the Rotary Pulse Generator".  He then
pointed to one particularly large knob.  I said, "Oh....we call
them 'Kay Enn Ohh Bees'".

-Jeffy
 VE1BLL


PS: In case you don't get it... 'Kay Enn Ohh Bee' = K N O B.


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey A. Harvey)
Subject: garage door openers
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National has a new Rolling Code generator that is pretty tight
(security-wise).  Coming soon to a Garage Door Opener near you.

-Jeffy VE1BLL

Jim Janecek ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Does anyone know what the current state of the art is in terms of Garage
: Door Opener Transmitter technology is?
: I mean- it used to be you could drive through the neighborhood and press
: the opener for your own door and a couple of neighbor's might open too.
: What are the chances of this happening with new transmitting systems or
: with someone who's got some sort of variable bandwith transmitter to spend
: 10 minutes trying 5000 different frequencies?
: --
: Jim Janecek
: Personal Effects inc.
--


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:30 1995
Newsgroups: sci.electronics,rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: arm@helix (Andrew_R._Mitz)
Subject: Re: Origins of Digi-Key (was Re: Digi-Key prices)
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Tim Shoppa ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>, John Woods <[e-mail]> wrote:

: >(It turns out, though, that while Digi-Key may not actively court hobbyists,
: >they got their start as a hobbyist supplier, and from what I understand are
: >still sympathetic to the hobbyist...

: I remember a Minnesota company that was selling a CW automatic Keyer
: (for those of you who aren't hams, a keyer is a step up from a "straight key"
: for sending Morse Code - you hit one paddle to make dits, the other paddle
: to make dah's) through ads in the back of QST and 73 in the early-to-mid
: 70's.  Is this, by any chance, the company that became today's Digi-Key?

: Tim. ([e-mail])
: KA0BTD

I have been wondering the exact same thing.  I use digi-key often
and have an account with them.  I keep meaning to ask.  I had an
original digi-key keyer.  It used RTL logic.


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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (GORDON COUGER)
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Subject: Re: Wayne Green
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kstate.edu!gcouger
From: [e-mail] (Gordon Couger)
Subject: Re: Wayne Green
Date: 8 Sep 1995 21:50:58 GMT
Message-ID: <42qds2$[e-mail]>
cus.cul.ca> <[e-mail]>
In article <[e-mail]>,
Steve Sampson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <42pmm4$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>Wayne started BYTE - how about that
>>Villy
>>ve6sq
>
>Yea, but they left off his name on the first issue!  ha.  Later his wife got
>the magazine in the divorce settlement (I understand).
>
He also started Micro 80 for trash 80's and I believe Microcomputing.

I have followed Wayne a lot of years and his rantings turn out to be right
a lot of the time. He is not afaid to say what he thinks even when I cost
him his biggest advertizer in Micro 80. The advertizer was Radio Shack.

I wish Wayne a long life because the ham radio world will be noticable
different with out him.

Gordon AB5DG
Gordon Couger - 624 Cheyenne, Stillwater, OK 74075
[e-mail] 405-624-2855 evenings
    I do not speak for my employer

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:32 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!pierre.thomson
From: [e-mail] (PIERRE THOMSON)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Rescue Radio Recommen
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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From: Pierre Thomson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Rescue Radio Recommendation  Wanted
Date: 8 Sep 1995 21:52:07 GMT
Message-ID: <42qdu7$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Herndon R. Elliott) wrote:
>
> Also, I have seen several posts about 146.52 being monitored at
> certain times during the day by search and rescue interested hams.
> Seems like it was to be monitored for 10 minutes at 0700, 0900, 1100,
> etc until 2200.  I have cross posted this to rec.radio.amateur.misc
> which ought to bring you more info...
>

See QST, February 1994, p.99: A Wilderness VHF Protocol.

This protocol suggests monitoring 146.52 simplex for five minutes at
the top of the hour at 0700 LT, 1000, 1300, 1600, and 1900.  (7 a.m.
through 7 p.m. every third hour).  Everybody liked the idea.  If I
lived in a repeater-sparse area (I don't) I would monitor too!

~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'
Pierre Thomson        ARS: KA2QPG         internet: [e-mail]
-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,


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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:33 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!marvin.j..munster
From: [e-mail] (MARVIN J  MUNSTER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FT-51r SIG?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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eed.pitt.edu!dsinc!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!qual
comm.com!mmunster-mac.qualcomm.com!userFrom: [e-mail] (Marvin J.
Munster)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FT-51r SIG?
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 16:55:14 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Does anyone know where the user group (SIG) is for the Yaesu FT-51r hangs out?

Marvin.  WB6PKK
[e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:34 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!don.huff
From: [e-mail] (DON HUFF)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: PHONE TAP: YOU MEAN PHONE
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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From: Don Huff <[e-mail]>
Subject: PHONE TAP: YOU MEAN PHONE PATCH!
Date: 8 Sep 1995 22:03:31 GMT
Message-ID: <42qejj$[e-mail]>
misc:29162

JUST A HAM RADIO TERMINOLOGY CLARIFICATION:  TELEPHONE INTERFACES  TO
RIGS HAVE HISTORICALLY ALWAYS BEEN CALLED A "PHONE PATCH", NOT A "PHONE TAP".

"TAPPING" OF TELEPHONES HAS OFTEN BEEN DONE WITH A LINEMAN'S HANDSET,
CALLED A "BUTT-IN", WHICH CLIPS DIRECTLY ONTO THE LINE PAIR.

A TELEPHONE INTERFACE OR "PHONE PATCH" FOR A HAM RIG IS BEST DONE WITH A
TRANSFORMER -BASED HYBRID, WHICH IS EASILY HOMEBREWED.  DESIGNS FOR THESE HAVE
BEEN AROUND SINCE THE 50'S IN NUMEROUS HAM RADIO ARTICLES, INCLUDING QST.

GL ES 73,
          DON, W6JL


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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:35 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!anthony.r..gold
From: [e-mail] (ANTHONY R  GOLD)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Wayne Green
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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eed.pitt.edu!dsinc!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pip
ex!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!microvst.demon.co
.ukFrom: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Wayne Green
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 95 21:55:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
cus.cul.ca> <[e-mail]>
In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Steve Sampson" writes:

> Yea, but they left off his name on the first issue!  ha.  Later his wife got
> the magazine in the divorce settlement (I understand).

I don't think it was a settlement, more like World War III, but it was in
Virginia's name when they fell out.  He fought for it, and then after
McGraw-Hill bought bought Byte he fought against it with Kilobyte, later
Kilobaud.

--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:36 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!fred.peerenboom
From: [e-mail] (FRED PEERENBOOM)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Best Ham Mag? 73 of c
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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From: Fred Peerenboom <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Best Ham Mag? 73 of course!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 21:50:05 GMT
On 5 Sep 1995, Jim Harvey wrote:

>
> I prefer WORLDRADIO to all three.
>
> --
> Jim Harvey - WB8NBS - 18538 Inkster - Redford, Mich.  48240    Amiga Person
>     [e-mail]   |   [e-mail]
>
I second that motion.  I am a life subscriber to it.

Fred     ke8tq      Danton, OH

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:37 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!fritz-o-matic
From: [e-mail] (FRITZ-O-MATIC)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARRL BBS Number Needed
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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eed.pitt.edu!dsinc!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: [e-mail] (fritz-o-matic)
Subject: ARRL BBS Number Needed
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 1995 02:09:11 GMT
Message-ID: <42qfe8$[e-mail]>
Hi y'all
        I reformatted my hard disks last weekend and neglected to back up the
directory of numbers for my comm program. I am missing some numbers
and I can get them off the ARRL BBS but one of the numbers I am
missing is the ARRL BBS number. Could some one please help me out?
73 de N4JVP/NH
Fritz



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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:38 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!james.h..haynes
From: [e-mail] (JAMES H  HAYNES)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 73, 88, Where did the
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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From: [e-mail] (James H. Haynes)
Subject: Re: 73, 88, Where did they come from?
Date: 8 Sep 1995 22:40:12 GMT
Message-ID: <42qgoc$[e-mail]>
In article <[e-mail]>,
Paul Morawski <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I thought that 73 and 88 are called "numbered radiograms".
>
>Traffic handlers use them to send pro-forma "standard" messages quickly.
>
Yes, but they do go back to wire telegraph days before radio.  And meanings
have changed a bit over the years, or with different telegraph companies.
For instance 73 is today "best regards"; but in some old telegraph books
I have seen it rendered "please accept our sincere compliments".

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:40 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!james.h..haynes
From: [e-mail] (JAMES H  HAYNES)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Wayne Green
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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From: [e-mail] (James H. Haynes)
Subject: Re: Wayne Green
Date: 8 Sep 1995 22:42:48 GMT
Message-ID: <42qgt8$[e-mail]>
He's also been in the audio biz.  I remember reading an advertising
brochure for the Karlson loudspeaker enclosure back in the 1950s that
was written by Wayne.  And seems like he has an audio magazine or two
under his wing now.

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:41 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!alan.v..cook
From: [e-mail] (ALAN V  COOK)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Pagers via Autopatch
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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ws.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!news.service.uci.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.e
du!news1.ucsd.edu!news-mail-gatewayFrom:
[e-mail] (Alan V. Cook)
Newsgroups:
rec.radio.amateur.miscSubject: Pagers via Autopatch
Date: 8 Sep 95 22:51:35 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
     Jeff said:

     Hi Alan.  I beleive I can.  Here is 97.113(a). The date on this is
     December 20, 1994.  You may have an older one.

     Mike Said:

     Hi, Alan -

     I think Jeff captured it, and it's the same as the version I have
     which is
     dated 7/1/95.

     Quite a bit of the wording in the 97.113 you quoted is foreign to me.
     Out
     of curiosity, where did the version you have come from? It's bad
     enough
     that we tend to play amateur lawyers interpreting the gray areas, but
     I'd
     be more than a little alarmed if there were two current but
     conflicting
     authorities on the statute! Wowee!

     I say:

     I copied the text via cut and paste from the U.S. House of
     Representatives Internet Law Library Code of Federal Regulations at
     http://www.pls.com:8001/his/cfr.html.  Since it is maintained by House
     Infromation Systems, I have to assume that it is the current language.
      If it isn't, I'll have to send a complaint to [e-mail].

     73,
     Alan Cook, N7CEU


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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:42 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!evan.platt
From: [e-mail] (EVAN PLATT)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: PHONE TAP: YOU MEAN P
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From: [e-mail] (Evan Platt)
Subject: Re: PHONE TAP: YOU MEAN PHONE PATCH!
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 1995 22:57:39 GMT
Message-ID: <42qhgi$[e-mail]>
misc:29169

Don Huff <[e-mail]> wrote:

>JUST A HAM RADIO TERMINOLOGY CLARIFICATION:  TELEPHONE INTERFACES  TO
>RIGS HAVE HISTORICALLY ALWAYS BEEN CALLED A "PHONE PATCH", NOT A "PHONE TAP".

>"TAPPING" OF TELEPHONES HAS OFTEN BEEN DONE WITH A LINEMAN'S HANDSET,
>CALLED A "BUTT-IN", WHICH CLIPS DIRECTLY ONTO THE LINE PAIR.

>A TELEPHONE INTERFACE OR "PHONE PATCH" FOR A HAM RIG IS BEST DONE WITH A
>TRANSFORMER -BASED HYBRID, WHICH IS EASILY HOMEBREWED.  DESIGNS FOR THESE
HAVE>BEEN AROUND SINCE THE 50'S IN NUMEROUS HAM RADIO ARTICLES, INCLUDING QST.

>GL ES 73,
>          DON, W6JL

Uh... no, read the article... he means phone tap. autopatch (where one
can make phone calls from a HT) is something different..


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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:43 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!david.misner
From: [e-mail] (DAVID MISNER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NTS Traffic to Non-Hams v
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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eed.pitt.edu!dsinc!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tank.news.pipex
.net!pipex!in2.uu.net!coconut!usenetFrom: David Misner <[e-mail]>
Subject: NTS Traffic to Non-Hams via Packet
Date: 8 Sep 1995 23:14:28 GMT
Message-ID: <42qiol$[e-mail]>
I thought that there was a way to originate traffic on packet to a
non-ham using either zip code data or phone area code and prefix
data to allow auto forwarding by the packet network.  I can't
remember what the format was though.  Appreciate a direct reply
to [e-mail].  For example:  Is there a format such as
[e-mail] that will route automatically or the equivalent
for phone data [e-mail]   Thanks for your reply.

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:44 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!hduff
From: [e-mail] (HDUFF)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CCT Brd Specialist ???
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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eed.pitt.edu!dsinc!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!io.org!torfree
!gts!westonia!humnet.humberc.on.ca!hduffSubject: CCT Brd Specialist ???
From: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 95 19:35:54 EST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Anyone have a current address and number for
Circuit Board Specialists ??

Thanks...

Hugh Duff  VA3TO  Toronto


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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:45 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!jeffrey.d..angus
From: [e-mail] (JEFFREY D  ANGUS)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: September 95 CD-ROM Relea
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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om!netcomsv!uucp3.netcom.com!skyld!jangusFrom: [e-mail]
(Jeffrey D. Angus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: September 95 CD-ROM Released
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 95 21:57:55 GMT
In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
writes:
  > In article <42o96k$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(HeadShrnkr)  >  writes:
  > >May I ask why you needed to SPAM this ad across 4 boards? One posting
  > >would have really been fine, ok?
  >
  > From the header, it appears there *was* only one posting, with a
  > crosspost to 9 different groups. If your news software makes
  > separate copies for crossposts, it's broken. Fix it.

  It's really quite simple. "On the net, it's always September."

;--
;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
;
; Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM Internet: [e-mail]
; US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749       Phone: [phone]

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (JEFFREY D  ANGUS)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Pager via Autopatch
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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!jangusFrom: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Subject: Pager via Autopatch
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 95 21:59:36 GMT
In article <mmusick-0809951120300001@198.102.74.50> [e-mail] writes:

  > Quite a bit of the wording in the 97.113 you quoted is foreign to me. Out
  > of curiosity, where did the version you have come from? It's bad enough
  > that we tend to play amateur lawyers interpreting the gray areas, but I'd
  > be more than a little alarmed if there were two current but conflicting
  > authorities on the statute! Wowee!

  send mail to [e-mail] and in the body of the message include
  send part97.txt

  You will receive about 5 bits of mail that are the entire part 97.
  And it's the newest latest greatest one. Including the 219 stuff.


;--
;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
;
; Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM Internet: [e-mail]
; US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749       Phone: [phone]

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (JEFFREY D  ANGUS)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: garage door openers
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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!jangusFrom: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Subject: garage door openers
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 95 22:01:56 GMT
In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
writes:

  > Does anyone know what the current state of the art is in terms of Garage
  > Door Opener Transmitter technology is?
  >
  > I mean- it used to be you could drive through the neighborhood and press
  > the opener for your own door and a couple of neighbor's might open too.
  >
  > What are the chances of this happening with new transmitting systems or
  > with someone who's got some sort of variable bandwith transmitter to spend
  > 10 minutes trying 5000 different frequencies?

  It's better than that. The new(er) Genie openers have a (at least) 12 bit
  system. Thats 4096 combinations on the frequency they operate on. So I
  'spose if you didn't mind attracting too much attention to yourself by
  sitting across the street for a few hours (days) and wanted to reprogram
  a door opener, you'd finally get it right.




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;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
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;
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:49 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!dana.myers
From: [e-mail] (DANA MYERS)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Extremely poor behavi
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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t.Sun.COM!abyss.West.Sun.COM!myersFrom: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Subject: Re: Extremely poor behavior (was Re: Does this ham hate Jews or not?)
Date: 8 Sep 1995 18:23:03 GMT
Message-ID: <42q1m7$[e-mail]>
In article <42h8bm$[e-mail]>,
Burt Fisher  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Dana Myers) wrote:
>>
>>Yo Burt, you're fine at making trouble with your mouth and and
>>writings, but I guess you're such a newbie to the net that you
>>don't know how extremely poor it is to post/forward private
>>e-mail without the consent of the author.
>
>Yo, Dana. I am very experienced as a user but I thought hating minorities
>is worse than publishing PRIVATE messages. So I risked condemnation
>thinking hams might think that Jew hating was worse but so far
>hams on on the side of the Jew hater.
>
>Silly me.

Silly you, indeed.  I don't really care what the content of
any message is; the bottom line is that posting private e-mail,
something you seem to have taken to lately, is extremely poor
Usenet behavior.  Your goal is to inflame, stir up trouble,
not to defend minorities.

--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are      *
 * [phone]               | mine and do not necessarily   *
 * [e-mail]      | reflect those of my employer  *

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:50 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!k1oik
From: [e-mail] (K1OIK)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Mrs. Mark Fuhrman (AA2IO)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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eed.pitt.edu!dsinc!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1
.uu.net!ccsnet.com!k1oikSubject: Mrs. Mark Fuhrman (AA2IO)??
From: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 95 18:59:57 EST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Here is some more wisdom from the the wife of Mark Furhman?:

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Ruthie Cunliffe (Hoffman), AA2IO      +
+ [e-mail]                      +
+ [e-mail]              +
+ fax#: [phone]                    +
+ Packet: aa2io@wb2vph.#wny.ny.usa.noam +
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

From: Ruthie Cunliffe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: fool


As for your pal from Israel, well of COURSE he wouldn't have liked what I
said!! Too many Jewish people live exclusively in the past and will NEVER
let go of it, continue to beat to death what happened during WWII, and are
so blind they can't see how THEY behave now.  The behavior in Isreal is
disgusting in its own right.


And now my comment (Burt-K1OIK):

Most readers will not "get it", but evil triumphs when good people look
the other way. Are hams like Mark Fuhrman? No but they will look the
other way.

--
*******************************************************************
*  Message Sent From:   CCS WORLD  Cape Cod's Internet Address    *
*  http://ccsnet.com  Telnet://ccsnet.com  Ftp://unix.ccsnet.com  *
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:51 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!burt.fisher
From: [e-mail] (BURT FISHER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Mark Fuhrman has a ham li
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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ail
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mark Fuhrman has a ham license??
Date: 8 Sep 1995 23:54:27 GMT
Message-ID: <42ql3j$[e-mail]>
M>
[e-mail] (Dana Myers) wrote:

>Silly you, indeed.  I don't really care what the content of
>any message is; the bottom line is that posting private e-mail,
>something you seem to have taken to lately, is extremely poor
>Usenet behavior.  Your goal is to inflame, stir up trouble,
>not to defend minorities.

No ham defends anything especially minorities buty I try.
I wonder what black hams would say how they are treated?

Hams do not hate, the just let the shit happen.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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| [e-mail]                               [e-mail]  |
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (GEORGE SEREIKAS)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Wayne Green
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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From: [e-mail] (George Sereikas)
Subject: Re: Wayne Green
Date: 9 Sep 1995 00:43:38 GMT
Message-ID: <42qnvq$[e-mail]>
cus.cul.ca> <[e-mail]>
<42qds2$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host:
ix-mor-nj1-23.ix.netcom.com
X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 08  5:43:38 PM PDT 1995

In <42qds2$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Gordon Couger) writes:
>
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Steve Sampson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <42pmm4$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>>Wayne started BYTE - how about that
>>>Villy
>>>ve6sq
>>
>>Yea, but they left off his name on the first issue!  ha.  Later his
wife got
>>the magazine in the divorce settlement (I understand).
>>
>He also started Micro 80 for trash 80's and I believe Microcomputing.
>
>I have followed Wayne a lot of years and his rantings turn out to be
right
>a lot of the time. He is not afaid to say what he thinks even when I
cost
>him his biggest advertizer in Micro 80. The advertizer was Radio
Shack.
>
>I wish Wayne a long life because the ham radio world will be noticable
>different with out him.
>
>Gordon AB5DG
>Gordon Couger - 624 Cheyenne, Stillwater, OK 74075
>[e-mail] 405-624-2855 evenings
>    I do not speak for my employer
You know, there was a time when I viewed Wayne Green as an
oddball......but even when I didn't agree with him, I enjoyed reading
his rantings and ravings. Now I have actually discovered that I really
agree with Wayne most of the time. Even though I am an ARRL member, I
have alot more trust and confidence in Wayne Green. Keep an open mind
and you might just find, Wayne is right 99% of the time. .....What a
long, strange trip it's been.....
George
KC2MF


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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:54 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!jeffrey.d..angus
From: [e-mail] (JEFFREY D  ANGUS)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Pagers via Autopatch
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Subject: Pagers via Autopatch
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 95 23:45:30 GMT
In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:

  >      I say:
  >
  >      I copied the text via cut and paste from the U.S. House of
  >      Representatives Internet Law Library Code of Federal Regulations at
  >      http://www.pls.com:8001/his/cfr.html.  Since it is maintained by
House
  >      Infromation Systems, I have to assume that it is the current
language.
  >       If it isn't, I'll have to send a complaint to [e-mail].
  >
  >      73,
  >      Alan Cook, N7CEU

  Surprisingly when I went looking for part 97, I started with the FCC.
  They "don't keep it online". I sent mail to the fcc and asked where to
  find it. They suggested the house web page. Ahyuup. That's the OLD version.
  The best way to find out if it is indeed the new one is if it contains
  the modifications to 97.203(g) (I think) concerning operation on the 219-
  220 MHz band. If it isn't in the copy you have, it isn't the current one.

  73 es GE from jeff

  What else would you expect from our government?

;--
;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
;
; Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM Internet: [e-mail]
; US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749       Phone: [phone]

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:55 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!jerry.from.pittsburgh
From: [e-mail] (JERRY FROM PITTSBURGH)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL BBS Number Neede
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From: Jerry from Pittsburgh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ARRL BBS Number Needed
Date: 9 Sep 1995 00:45:46 GMT
Message-ID: <42qo3q$p3d$[e-mail]>

The ARRL BBS is on 203-666-0578.
73

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:56 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!gary.hosler.-.kn0z
From: [e-mail] (GARY HOSLER - KN0Z)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Discriminator Audio -
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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From: [e-mail]  (Gary Hosler - KN0Z)
Subject: Re: Discriminator Audio - IC2340H?
Date: 8 Sep 1995 15:30:39 GMT
Message-ID: <42pniv$[e-mail]>
You may want to drop a piece of E-Mail to ICOM Svc:
[e-mail]

I'm sure they can tell you the proper location.


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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:57 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!hobbs!bob.roehrig
From: [e-mail] (BOB ROEHRIG)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help needed on ROBOT unit
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Roehrig)
Subject: Help needed on ROBOT unit
Date: 9 Sep 95 00:58:02 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Does anyone out there have a schematic & manual for a Robot model 70
SSTV unit? Will re-imburse for copying/postage...........

I don't plan to use it for SSTV but it is such a "neat" box that I
thought I might use part of it for a RTTY tuning scope or something.

Appreciate any help - de K9EUI


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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:28:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BOB ROEHRIG)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Surplus FM radios/deviati
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Roehrig)
Subject: Surplus FM radios/deviation, etc.
Date: 9 Sep 95 00:48:34 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
What someone said about not being a good idea to put a resistor in series
with the mic line is quite true. To reduce the maximum deviation on a
FM transmitter you must reduce the level of the audio AFTER the clipper/
limiter, just before it is applied to the modulator.

I remember years ago when one of the surplus outlets in Chicago was selling
"brand new" BC-603 receivers for about $25.00 (with a complete set of
spare tubes). These receivers tuned from 20 to 27MHz (FM) and had a bandwidth
of 80 kHz (I believe). We wanted to use them as a tunable IF behind the
Mallory "inductuner", which was a continuous tuning VHF-TV front end for
TV's with a 21 MHZ IF. In this way we could fix the TV tuner at a certain
frequency and then use the 10 push buttons on the BC-603 to receive our
local police, fire, etc frequencies. (This was WAY before scanners, folks).

We were able to narrowband the receiver by removing the swamping resistors
that were across the IF transformer windings. Just what the final
bandwidth was, I don't know, but it sure sharpened up that receiver.
The hard part was that these resistors were inside the IF cans so they
needed to be removed from the chassis to do this. This was especially
"fun" as the unit was liberally coated with a fungus proofing type
coating which really tested one's soldering skills!

In later years I used the same receiver with an Ameco nuvistor 2 meter
converter to drive a Doolittle (now there's a name) deviation meter. The
receiver was quite stable.

Bob, K9EUI


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From: [e-mail] (JOHN SENEY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: New Ham Radio Test Simula
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: New Ham Radio Test Simulators - Mac
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:21:48 GMT
               FREE - NEW Macintosh HAM TEST SIMULATORS

Studying for a ham test and have access to an Mac?

Upgrade Fast! Simulate the test and get S T I M U L A T E D!

Scores of 90% or > even get applause!


The new Macintosh Ham Test Simulators are HERE (and there if you can FTP)!

              o Novice Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea
              o Technician Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea
              o General Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea
              o Advanced Ham Test 5.1 SA.sea
              o Extra Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea

The latest version "5" feature:

    HyperCard 2.3 as a stand-alone application (SA) eliminating
    your need to have HyperCard. All you need is a Mac with 4
    Meg of memory and version System 7 or greater.

    Each version "5" Ham Test Simulator has the latest questions
    as prepared by the Question Pool Committee.

    Each version "5" Ham Test Simulator is FREE OF CHARGE and work the
    same way as the originals did (written by Diana, KC1SP).

You may obtain a version "5" Ham Test Simulator by mailing me a *FORMATTED
disk (1 per test) and include a Self Addressed and Stamped disk mailer for
the return.

Each version "5" Ham Test Simulator is also bundled with a shareware CW
program called MacMorse 1.4 written by Doug, WB0EON.

Also included in the version "5" collection are text files that relate an
interesting variety of ideas about the best way to study CW and prepare
for tests.

Or warm your phone line and get JUST the tests:

           America On Line - Macintosh Ham Radio Section

or:

ftp://oak.oakland.edu//pub3/hamradio/mac/theory-and-morse/AdvancedHamTest.sea.
bin
(Aug 30th)
ftp://oak.oakland.edu//pub3/hamradio/mac/theory-and-morse/ExtraHamTest.sea.bin
ftp://oak.oakland.edu//pub3/hamradio/mac/theory-and-morse/GeneralHamTest.sea.b
in
ftp://oak.oakland.edu//pub3/hamradio/mac/theory-and-morse/NoviceHamTest.sea.bi
nftp://oak.oakland.edu//pub3/hamradio/mac/theory-and-morse/TechnicianHamTest.s
ea.bin

Your comments and suggestions for future versions are always welcome. Stay
in touch
and good luck with YOUR next test!


73,


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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (FELIX)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
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ys.net!flux!felix
From: [e-mail] (felix)
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
om> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
<41uuk1$[e-mail]>Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 21:03:13 GMT
J. Duffy Beischel ([e-mail]) wrote:

[...]
> But is it outmoded? - NO

Hi !

i passed my licence tests in spring '95. At this time i was sure to
drop CW entirely after having passed the tests needed for our class
'B' licence, the 'highest' one here in Germany.
However, on a fieldday, 2 weeks ago, i watched fellow hams doing CW
and was fascinated by the distances covered with small power and
tiny rigs/antennas.

Back home i plugged my straight key, a german 'junker', into my
IC 728 transceiver and started again. Two days later i wkd JD1BIZ
with 50 watts into my cushcraft R7 vertical here from Hamburg, my
hometown.

Now i am beginning to practice with an 'elbug' and try to do 1 - 3
qso's in CW every day at least. Since there are almost no condx on
10 meters it's a very popular 'CW-training area' here and there are
OM's, local residents, to have a CW 'chat' almost every day.

Just 'two cents' from a newcomer, being happy with CW.

73 de Thomas [DF1HX]



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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (AMATUER CROSS LINK REPEAT)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: DJ580T mod question
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From: [e-mail] (Amatuer Cross Link Repeater Assoc.)
Subject: Re: DJ580T mod question
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 02:19:06 GMT
Greg Dolkas ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Gerald Phillips ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : I am atempting to do the extended receive mod. on my DJ580T.  I know
: : that you are supposed to cut the red wire, but I want to make sure
: : which wire you cut.  With the unit's display facing up and the bottom
: : removed you can see a "red" loop wire that is about the same size as
: : the blue one, and then there is a small "orange/red" wire at the top.
: : I believe I cut the larger loop which is red and not the smaller loop
: : that is orange/red.  If anyone can clear this up for me I would greatly
: : appreciate it.  Thanks and 73.
: :
: : KE4MBD - Travis

: Yes, the right wire is the thicker, red wire.  The skinnier orange-ish wire
: loop goes to the microphone.  Don't ask me how I know this... :-).

: Greg  KO6TH

cut the blue wire and tx on those freqs


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From: [e-mail] (AMATUER CROSS LINK REPEAT)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC WWW address neede
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From: [e-mail] (Amatuer Cross Link Repeater Assoc.)
Subject: Re: FCC WWW address needed
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 02:22:28 GMT
Drew Durigan ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I'm anxious to get my callsign and the 800 number is usually busy.
: Anyone have the FCC's Web address with the callsign server?

: -Drew in Charlotte-

check out
http://www.qrz.com
its updated every day, or look at the URL below for a list of places that
you can look your name up.

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:05 1995
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Subject: Re: Info: J.Welch, N9JZW
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From: [e-mail] (Amatuer Cross Link Repeater Assoc.)
Subject: Re: Info: J.Welch, N9JZW ??
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 02:24:50 GMT
[e-mail] wrote:


: Looking for a current e-mail address for John Welch N9JZW,
: author of the "TechnoWhizzy" DDS controlled QRP transmitter
: from the Dec.92/Jan.93 issues of 73 magazine.

look up his address at http://www.qrz.com

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BRIAN ELLSWORTH)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Am I anm ass? You dec
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth)
Subject: Re: Am I anm ass? You decide.
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 1995 15:46:45 GMT
Message-ID: <42ppav$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Ken Edwards) wrote:

>YES, YOU ARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nah! Burt's just about on the money, it's just his style you don't
like!

At least he HAS a personality. Even if you don't like it.

Burt keeps the group interesting.

-be




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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (W1AW)
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Subject: ARLP038 Propagation de KT
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et!news.tcd.net!pagesat.net!a3bsrv.nai.net!mgate.arrl.org!usenet
From: [e-mail]
Subject: ARLP038 Propagation de KT7H
Date: 8 Sep 1995 12:38:14 -0400
Message-ID: <$[e-mail]>
SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP038
ARLP038 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP07
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 38  ARLP038
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  September 8, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP038
ARLP038 Propagation de KT7H

Solar activity was off a bit over the past week, with the average
solar flux down about five points from the week before, and average
sunspot numbers down by over 26.  Geomagnetic activity was mostly
low, but there was a big increase in activity over the past few days
caused by a recurring coronal hole.  The K index rose as high as
six, which indicates very disturbed conditions with dramatic
absorption of HF radio signals.

Look for another peak in disturbed conditions around September 10,
and continued low solar flux.  Flux values should rise slightly and
peak in the mid to high seventies around September 22.

Coronal holes, which are mentioned frequently in this bulletin are
areas in the coronal layer of the Sun through which an unrestricted
flow of high energy particles passes into space.  When the earth
moves through one of these streams, the geomagnetic field is
disturbed and the ionosphere is neutralized by protons.  Coronal
hole activity tends to occur more during the downward trend and at
the bottom of a solar cycle, which is where we are right now.

Sunspot Numbers for August 31 through September 6 were 18, 13, 11,
11, 23, 11 and 11, with a mean of 14.  10.7 cm flux was 75.6, 73.7,
73.3, 73.6, 74.4, 74.6 and 71.8, with a mean of 73.9.
NNNN
/EX


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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (PHILIP CHIEN)
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Subject: Re: chicago area: please
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From: Philip Chien <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: chicago area: please retransmit shuttle on a repeater
Date: 9 Sep 1995 03:04:06 GMT
Message-ID: <42r076$[e-mail]>
In article <[e-mail]> , [e-mail]
writes:
>Will someone in the chicago please transmit shuttle audio on a regular
basis
>on a chicago area repeater (preferably 2-meters, but anything would be
great)!
>
>Thanks much..

Suggestion - why don't you do it?  It's an excellent service to the local
amateur radio community, and you'll earn the appreciation of the local
ham community, and space enthusiasts.

Or get together with a bunch of space enthusiasts and hams and get
together the resources.

Philip Chien, Earth News - space writer and consultant  [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (JOHN MINGER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: garage door openers
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
Subject: Re: garage door openers
Date: 9 Sep 1995 03:04:34 GMT
Message-ID: <42r082$[e-mail]>
In article <[e-mail]>,
Jeffrey D. Angus <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
writes:
>
>  > Does anyone know what the current state of the art is in terms of Garage
>  > Door Opener Transmitter technology is?
>  >
>  > I mean- it used to be you could drive through the neighborhood and press
>  > the opener for your own door and a couple of neighbor's might open too.
>  >

(butchered here)..

>  'spose if you didn't mind attracting too much attention to yourself by
>  sitting across the street for a few hours (days) and wanted to reprogram
>  a door opener, you'd finally get it right.
>
Saw a piece on the local TV news recently about "code grabbers" used by
thieves.  They just park near your house and wait until you open the
door.  The code grabber "grabs" the digital information and can then
open the door for them on the first try.  Heck, you might be able to
approximate that with a small radio and tape recorder. (?)

They would make it foolproof if fools weren't so ingenious.



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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (CHARLES COPELAND)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Rescue Radio Recommen
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
Subject: Re: Rescue Radio Recommendation  Wanted
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 03:08:03 GMT
In article <42qdu7$[e-mail]>, Pierre Thomson  <[e-mail]>
wrote:>[e-mail] (Herndon R. Elliott) wrote:
>>
>> Also, I have seen several posts about 146.52 being monitored at
>> certain times during the day by search and rescue interested hams.
>> Seems like it was to be monitored for 10 minutes at 0700, 0900, 1100,
>> etc until 2200.  I have cross posted this to rec.radio.amateur.misc
>> which ought to bring you more info...
>>
>
>See QST, February 1994, p.99: A Wilderness VHF Protocol.
>
>This protocol suggests monitoring 146.52 simplex for five minutes at
>the top of the hour at 0700 LT, 1000, 1300, 1600, and 1900.  (7 a.m.
>through 7 p.m. every third hour).  Everybody liked the idea.  If I
>lived in a repeater-sparse area (I don't) I would monitor too!
>

In Yosemite 146.52 is all there is. No 2m repeaters, FM, daytime AM,
TV, or cellular phones. Its a Caldera. There is a firespotter on
a mountain top on the 146.52 frequency. 2m HAM radio is best in Yosemite.



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Subject: Re: Origins of Digi-Key (
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From: Hans Brakob <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Origins of Digi-Key (was Re: Digi-Key prices)
Date: 9 Sep 1995 03:30:47 GMT
Message-ID: <42r1p7$p18$[e-mail]>
>I have assumed the company was formed by the guys
>who did the keyer...same location.

They were a bunch of college guys. Started a company
to make and sell the keyer. It wasn't a commercial
success, and they were left with a LOT of excess
parts and component inventory. Ron Stordahl K0UXQ, was
one of the principles. He kinda re-formed the company
to sell off the inventory, and in the process it
became successful. Ron is still the President of
DigiKey.

--
73, de Hans, K0HB
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:12 1995
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Subject: Re: PHONE TAP: YOU MEAN P
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: PHONE TAP: YOU MEAN PHONE PATCH!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 02:58:50 GMT
misc:29196

In article <42qhgi$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Don Huff <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>JUST A HAM RADIO TERMINOLOGY CLARIFICATION:  TELEPHONE INTERFACES  TO
>>RIGS HAVE HISTORICALLY ALWAYS BEEN CALLED A "PHONE PATCH", NOT A "PHONE
TAP".>
>>"TAPPING" OF TELEPHONES HAS OFTEN BEEN DONE WITH A LINEMAN'S HANDSET,
>>CALLED A "BUTT-IN", WHICH CLIPS DIRECTLY ONTO THE LINE PAIR.
>
>>A TELEPHONE INTERFACE OR "PHONE PATCH" FOR A HAM RIG IS BEST DONE WITH A
>>TRANSFORMER -BASED HYBRID, WHICH IS EASILY HOMEBREWED.  DESIGNS FOR THESE
HAVE
>>BEEN AROUND SINCE THE 50'S IN NUMEROUS HAM RADIO ARTICLES, INCLUDING QST.
>
>Uh... no, read the article... he means phone tap. autopatch (where one
>can make phone calls from a HT) is something different..

No, he's correct. Phone taps are what the FBI, spies, and other
scum do, broadcasters do phone interfaces, or patches, and so do
hams. A phone patch is a *two* way interface with the phone network
while a tap is a one way eavesdropping technique. You're thinking of
*autopatching*, which is a semi-automatic variation of phone patching
used by repeater stations. Phone patches pre-date repeaters and HTs,
and have traditionally been manually controlled by the local operator.

Patching terminology came from the broadcasting world where phone
lines are traditionally terminated in patch fields through two wire
to four wire hybrids, and the operator could patch the line into the
console at need. Prior to the Carterphone decision, the telco had
to supply the hybrid. Now, of course, we can supply our own.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

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Subject: Re: Wayne Green
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Wayne Green
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
cus.cul.ca> <[e-mail]>
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In article <42qnvq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (George
Sereikas) writes:
>You know, there was a time when I viewed Wayne Green as an
>oddball......but even when I didn't agree with him, I enjoyed reading
>his rantings and ravings. Now I have actually discovered that I really
>agree with Wayne most of the time. Even though I am an ARRL member, I
>have alot more trust and confidence in Wayne Green. Keep an open mind
>and you might just find, Wayne is right 99% of the time. .....What a
>long, strange trip it's been.....

I think Wayne's ramblings follow Sturgeon's Law, which says 90% of
everything is crap. Ah, but that 10% more than makes up for the rest.
Wayne at least isn't frightened of taking a stand that may go against
the prejudices of his advertisers and audience, unlike certain other
magazine publishers. You can say what you like about him, but he isn't
timid, stuffy, or boring. One reason he has been so successful is that
he has a keen knack for spotting a trend and getting out in front of
the pack so he's seen as leading the parade.

He was doing semi-automated digital message forwarding in the 40s.
He pushed FM repeaters before most hams knew anything about VHF.
He pioneered mountaintopping at microwave. And he's pushed ATV,
foxhunting, and other activities we take for granted today. He
has exemplified the ham spirit of playing with technology. While
no technical wizard himself, he's been quick to grab any promising
new technology and see where it leads. He brings a layman's enthusiasm
to what is often a stuffy field.

He even once attempted to put a human face on Dxing with his 73
International column, though that effort was doomed from the start.
And he was the first to put a paid lobbyist for amateur radio in
Washington, and has been ahead of the curve all along in regulatory
matters. Stands he took decades ago are coming to pass now, though
at the time most people thought he was nuts.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (VECTOR)
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Subject: How do you answer?
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p3.netcom.com!inferno.com!vector
Subject: How do you answer?
From: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 95 20:00:18 PST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
JH>Hello,

JH>   A lot of my friends ask me why I do Ham Radio.  I usually say that I
JH>learn electronics that way, by talking to other Hams who know how to fix
JH>all kinds of electronic equipment.  It's really more than that.  I had a
JH>lot of fun in High School back in the late 60's and yet I can't explain why
JH>it is fun  It's a hobby within an education within a society.  It's a
JH>bunch of people having fun till a big emergency happens.  Then it's more
JH>than fun.
JH>   What do you say when people ask you why?

JH>73

JH>John AB6KH     :-)

the emergency aspect of amateur radio is the main reason i use when
explaining why i like the hobby.  i tell people that i don't like
sitting around feeling helpless and useless when a major disaster
strikes.  i tell them that it's the most useful method i can think of
that helps all the local organizations on a whole keep their act
together and keep moving during an emergency.  that usually satisifies
them.

greg
kd6ven

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (W1AW)
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Subject: ARLD047 DX news
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snet.net!news5.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!tcomeng.tcomeng.com!pagesat.net!a3bsrv.nai
.net!mgate.arrl.org!usenetFrom: [e-mail]
Subject: ARLD047 DX news
Date: 8 Sep 1995 19:31:16 -0400
Message-ID: <$[e-mail]>
SB DX @ ARL $ARLD047
ARLD047 DX news

ZCZC AE23
QST de W1AW
DX Bulletin 47  ARLD047
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  September 8, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB DX ARL ARLD047
ARLD047 DX news

This week's bulletin was made possible with information provided by
Tedd, KB8NW, The OPDX Bulletin, Randy, K0EU, the Yankee Clipper
Contest Club PacketCluster network and the Contest Corral column
from the pages of QST magazine.  Thanks to all.

MONACO, 3A.  Luciano, I1YRL, will be back in 3A land sometime in
September.  There were no specific dates mentioned.  He is usually
active as 3A/I1YRL and can be found on all bands and modes.

REUNION ISLAND, FR.  Didier, F5PXQ, will be active as FR/F5PXQ from
October 18 to 25 and November 15 to 31.  His operations will be on
20 through 10 meters including the WARC bands.  In between these
operations, he will be active from Mauritius, signing 3B8/F5PXQ,
from October 26 to 30.

RODRIGUES ISLANDS, 3B9.  3B9FR has been showing up quite regularly
on 30 meters.  Look for him around 10103 kHz at 0301z or between
1130 and 1230z.

JUAN FERNANDEZ, CE0 Update.  Randy, K0EU, reports that equipment
plans, frequencies, and QSL route have been finalized for the
September 1995 Juan Fernandez DXpedition.  K0EU, K4UEE, and K0IYF
will operate using the call sign CE0Z for one week of operation
starting September 13 and ending September 20.  Emphasis will be
placed on low bands, WARC bands, RTTY and satellite.

CROZET, FT5.  From December of this year until February 1997, Jean
Jacques, F5SZK, and Samuel, F5IJT, will be active as FT5WF and FT5WG
from Crozet.

DJIBOUTI, J2.  Patrick, F5SFD, will start his activity in September
as J28PP for the next two years.  He will be active on SSB and CW.
QSL via F5PWH.

BENIN, TY.  A group of three Norwegian hams will go on a DXpedition
to Benin from September 16 to 26.  The operators, who are members of
LA DX Group, are Bjorn, LA9IY, Roger, LA4GHA and Johnny, LA5IIA.
They expect to use the call sign TY8G.  Operations will be on all
bands and modes, but with concentration on CW, low bands and the
WARC bands.

ST. KITTS, V4.  Joe, VE3BW, states he will be active in the CQWW SSB
Contest.  Listen for V47BW.
NNNN
/EX


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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DON MURRAY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FM Voice use below 29.5mh
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From: [e-mail] (Don Murray)
Subject: FM Voice use below 29.5mhz
Date: 9 Sep 1995 04:18:05 GMT
Message-ID: <42r4ht$[e-mail]>
I need a little help getting something straightened out in regards to the use
of FM
voice on freqs below 29.5mhz.  I seem to recall a question on my Advanced
written
that asked why FM voice was not used below 29.5mhz, and also recall that the
correct answer had something to do with excessive bandwith.  I have read, and
reread part 97 and can not find nothing that limits the use of FM Voice below
29.5
mhz.. Is this something that falls under the "Good Amateur practice" clause,
or is
it something that is covered by a section of part 97 that I have either
misread, or
do not understand..

Thanks
Don


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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (KELVIN NUNN)
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Subject: 51R program files
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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e1a.megaweb.com!pop.gnn.com!BamaFan
From: [e-mail] (Kelvin Nunn)
Subject: 51R program files
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 1995 23:25:46
Message-ID: <42r52c$[e-mail]>
Maybe someone has already thought of this, if so please let me
know.  If not, are any of the owners of 41R, 51R, etc
(Machines with the windows programable memories) interested in
sharing the data files for your local area. If you were going
to a particular area you could pull up that file and download
it to your HT.  Is there a web page with these files on it?
Email me if you are interested.  I would even be willing to
add the page off of my Web server. You can respond to this
address or [e-mail]


Kelvin Nunn




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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (HORROCK)
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Subject: In case of viruses on pac
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.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
From: [e-mail] (Horrock)
Subject: In case of viruses on packet, remember....
Date: 9 Sep 1995 01:14:38 -0400
Message-ID: <42r7ru$[e-mail]>
Formulating a computer-virus control strategy would be easy
if all we had to deal with was computer hardware and software.
However, computer-virus control is really a people issue.
Regardless of how much money you spend on anti-virus
products, your virus protection will only be as good as your
last backup.

Regards.

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DAVID C  MILLER)
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Subject: Re: Calling pagers with a
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!davidmi
From: [e-mail] (David C. Miller)
Subject: Re: Calling pagers with autopatch?
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 95 02:58:29 GMT
Message-ID: <42rae8$[e-mail]>
Digital pagers should be OK except as noted below. However, voice pagers that
transmit a spoken message would clearly violate the rules concerning re
transmitting amateur communications on other services.

In article <mmusick-0509951013020001@198.102.74.50>,
   [e-mail] (Mike Musick) wrote:
>> Another ham told me the other day that calling a pager using autopatch is
>> illegal.  Is this true?
>
>Jerry -
>
>No. There is nothing inherently illegal about calling a pager access port.
>But whether it's practical depends on the circumstances.
>
>Your main problem is that the repeater will likely have DTMF suppression
>of some sort, and won't pass the tones down the phone line. Some
>controllers have a bypass code to do this, but then it becomes a question
>of whether the owner/trustee is going to share that information
>(frequently this is regarded as a special function for control op use
>because of its potential for abuse).
>
>Another problem is that if there is a "voice mail" associated with the
>pager, if the outgoing message clearly relates to the paged party's
>business, then it becomes difficult (from an enforcement/monitoring
>standpoint) to determine if the traffic was of "pecuniary interest" to the
>initiating station. (Real scenario - two members of our club work for the
>same company, and one reports to the other. It is conceivable that the
>supervisor could access the other's pager via the autopatch and load the
>phone number for the next assignment. Since the control operators heard no
>traffic other than the supervisor's ID and a few DTMF tones, they have no
>idea that a pretty flagrant rules violation just occured.)
>
>The short answer is that dialing a pager access number is *not* illegal,
>but whether it's going to be *allowed* by the repeater/autopatch operators
>is something you'll have to take up with them.
>  ...mm
>
>=============================================================
>Mike Musick/N0QBF               [e-mail]**
>TALX Directory Division         [e-mail]
>St. Louis, MO
>                Opinions expressed are my own...
>                  ...like someone else would want 'em, right?
>-----
>** - If you have to reply email rather than in the newsgroup,
>use the CompuServe address. Our mail server died a while back
>and I've been given "real soon" on when it'll be up. You know
>how *that* works!
>=============================================================

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ALAN BRAUN)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What should be on a Q
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p3.netcom.com!itc.com!med!alb.med.itc.com!abraun
From: [e-mail] (Alan Braun)
Subject: Re: What should be on a QSL card?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 95 13:34:36 GMT
In Article <42koac$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Kory Hamzeh) writes:

> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to design my own QSL cards, and wanted to know what information
> needs to be on there. I remember seeing some scanned in QSL cards on the
> Web somewhere, but can't seem to find them now. Any info would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Kory
> KE6VWO
>
>
As a minimum they need to include the following (preferably all on the
SAME side of the card): your call, his call, date/time(in UTC)/mode/band
for the QSO, a signal report, and an indication that it was a 2-way
contact.  Other information which is nice to include but not essential
would be your address, county, grid sqare etc.  The minimum information is
what most of the 3rd party award programs require in order for a card to
be acceptable.  Hope this helps.  73 - Alan NS0B

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (CURTIS WHEELER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Rescue Radio Recommen
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Rescue Radio Recommendation  Wanted
Date: 9 Sep 1995 06:57:58 GMT
Message-ID: <42rdtm$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] wrote:
>In article <42llgn$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Herndon
R. Elliott) writes:
>>[e-mail] (mike halem) wrote:
>>
>>>I would think it should have capability on VHF 121.5, UHF 243.0, and other
>>>frequencies likely to be monitored by rescue personnel.
>>
>>I have not seen this frequency noted as being monitored by rescue
>>personnel.  In fact, isn't this in the aircraft AM band?  Just
>>wondering - fill me in - is this frequency intended for some specific
>>backcountry related purpose?
>
>121.5 Mhz is the Civil Air Emergency Frequency but, AFAIK, is not
>monitored continuously except by aircraft over the oceans.  In fact
>there is a high level of interference over land (at least in Europe)
>which tends to mean that the channel is ignored (aircraft usually
>work on the local Air Traffic Control channel).  243 MHz is the NATO
>military equivalent.  Neither frequency is authorized for land use by
>ITU Regulations.

121.5 is well monitored all over the U.S. for supporting aviation
distress calls as well as ELTs.  The frequency is in the aviation service
but is designated as an international distress frequency for maritime use
as well.  It's use on land for distress purposes would be considered
legitimate.

The problem with how flight service and air traffic control monitor the
frequency is that they might not be able to hear a call for a low power
radio in, just as an example, a remote canyon.   It should also be noted
that aviation ground facilities and airplanes are looking for AM signals.

While there is no requirement that general aviation aircraft guard the
channel, many pilots do.  I monitor 121.5 on long, cross country trips
for a couple of reasons:  I don't like to listen to a lot of radio
chatter while enroute, when I don't have to, and 121.5 is usually quiet.
 I don't have to figure out and dial something in if I need help.  And I
might hear something while at altitude that ground stations might not.


--
Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA



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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (FLOYD ADAMS)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 51R program files
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 01:01:00 -0400
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From: [e-mail] (Floyd Adams)
Subject: Re: 51R program files
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 1995 09:41:24 GMT
Message-ID: <42rnej$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Kelvin Nunn) wrote:

>Maybe someone has already thought of this, if so please let me
>know.  If not, are any of the owners of 41R, 51R, etc
>(Machines with the windows programable memories) interested in
>sharing the data files for your local area. If you were going
>to a particular area you could pull up that file and download
>it to your HT.  Is there a web page with these files on it?
>Email me if you are interested.  I would even be willing to
>add the page off of my Web server. You can respond to this
>address or [e-mail]


>Kelvin Nunn

I think it is a good idea.  Please keep us informed as to where the
files can be stored and retreived.

Floyd  (WD5ENJ)




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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Subject: Re: How do you answer?
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[e-mail] (Thomas Randall) sed:

:>   I imagine the folks in Oaklahoma and the hurricane prone states would
:>disagree with that statement. Care to explain WHY ham radio is a disaster
:>during disasters?

You took the words right from my keyboard Tom.  I got my license whilst
stationed (1981-1985) in Biloxi, Mississippi in 1981.  Went through a few
tropical storms and a couple of hurricanes and a whole lot of severe weather
watches and warnings.

Most areas that have active ARES members are prepared, through practice, for
most disasters.  I have personally seen and been involved with the action...
such as the flooding of Slidell, Louisiana in April of 1983.  It was the first
time in my life I had ever seen two story houses under water when the Pearl
River overflowed its banks.  Working side-by-side with St. Taminy parish
officials we had an impressive operation going on...very organized.

I was even impressed by the CB'ers running the REACT station located adjacent
to the amateur NCS.  Of course they (the CB'ers) were having to put up with
intentional interference but they were getting things done.  In real disasters
communities have a tendancy to come together for the better of all.  Yeah,
there were the jerks.  They may have gotten noticed but they were very few.

SKYWARN was pretty active back then.  I haven't been on the Gulf Coast for
almost a decade so don't know what is happening there now but we were always
attending training and activating for tornado watches and warnings.  Hey, we
even activated when SKYLAB came back to earth...remember that?  I bet the
Aussies sure do.

I'll never forget Hurricane Elena.  She hit just as my family and I were to
depart the Gulf Coast.  Kept us there an extra week or so...We ended up under
martial law and I couldn't raise a ham on any VHF freq (to save my life) for a
couple of days.  I was getting information out via HF though for friends and
neighbors.  I still have the nice certificate [with a photo of the hurricane
taken from the Shuttle] I received from the American Red Cross for helping to
set up and maintain communications between the Pascagoula, Mississippi and
Mobile, Alabama Red Cross facilities during the last couple of days before I
moved up to New Hampshire.

I could go on and on with my experiences in other parts of the country...like
in New Mexico where our ARES team was an integral part of the New Mexico State
Search and Rescue Plan and we were activated on many occasions to find lost
hunters, downed aircraft, etc.

Burt: You need to qualify many of your statements regarding any judgement of
the quality of amateur radio emergency operations.  You know not of what you
speak in that regard.  I do enjoy reading your posts. Very entertaining to say
the least...but not all completely true.

Regards for now...

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:29 1995
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From: Terry McComb <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Heil Pro-Set ?
Date: 10 Sep 1995 02:28:02 GMT
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Any specific info. you need?  I have one on right now - surfing the net &
talking on HF at the same time. I like it - talks & listens well & it's
comfortable. If you get one, ask for the adapter to fit it to your radio
(KW, Yaseu, Icom). I believe one is included in the price - if you switch
radio brand you can buy the adapter separate. It doesn't come with a PTT
switch inline, but there's a jack on the radio adapter to plug in a foot
switch, or a hand switch. You can get a foot switch cheaper at Radio
Shack - I spliced in a longer cord to get it to my computer table. Also
rigged up a hand switch that I can plug in instead of the foot switch.
Anything else you need to know?    Terry KD4GBO




From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Ashley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: World wide callsign prefixes wanted
Date: 10 Sep 1995 03:31:22 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jos_Beck)
writes:
>
>My list of callsign prefixes dates from 1991.
>In the mean time, I have noticed, many prefixes ("new" counties) have
>been added.
>
     The 1993 edition of "Now You're Talking" has a listing "Allocation
of International Call Signs" on page 9-32. An e-mail inquiry to the
ARRL would probably provide even more up to date information in one of
their publications.
     Hope that the above is helpful,
     Arthur, N1NHZ, Boston (MA) Amateur Radio Club, 73
     BARC Web Page URL:   http://www/acs/oakland.edu/barc.html



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary P. Fiber)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ICOM IC22S
Date: 10 Sep 1995 04:40:01 GMT
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In article <42kuf6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says:
>
>In article <42fa21$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>The IC22A and IC22U are crystal controlled with 15 kHz spacing.
>
>I've been corrected about the IC22U. I thought it was before the IC22S
>but am told that it followed the IC22S and has 5 kHz spacing, 144-148
>MHz coverage.
>
>73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)
The IC 22U also had BCD switches for frequency control like the 2AT
did. The 22U was a systhesized radio..

73' Gary


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A story ALL hams will like!
Date: 10 Sep 1995 05:31:09 GMT
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Let's just hope that the All Rabbit Radio League and the Federal Cotton
Company will soon learn this lesson also!

-Drew in Charlotte-



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:32 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Calling pagers with autopatch?
Date: 10 Sep 1995 05:51:12 GMT
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--
Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA




From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gordon Couger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Wayne Green
Date: 10 Sep 1995 05:59:03 GMT
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Sorry about the typo I cost him his biggest advertizer should read it cost
him his biggest advertizer.
The stayed away about 6 months and came back.

Gordon AB5DG
In article <[e-mail]>,
Steve Hideg <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <42qds2$[e-mail]>, Gordon Couger
><[e-mail]>= wrote:
>
>> I have followed Wayne a lot of years and his rantings turn out to be right
>> a lot of the time. He is not afaid to say what he thinks even when I cost
 CORRECTION                                                            ^t
>> him his biggest advertizer in Micro 80. The advertizer was Radio Shack.
>
>You cost him his biggest advertizer? Is he still pissed at you about it?
>What did he say to you?
>
>--Steve

Gordon Couger - 624 Cheyenne, Stillwater, OK 74075
[e-mail] 405-624-2855 evenings
    I do not speak for my employer


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:34 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Calling pagers with autopatch?
Date: 10 Sep 1995 06:02:10 GMT
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[e-mail] (David C. Miller) wrote:
>Digital pagers should be OK except as noted below. However, voice pagers that
>transmit a spoken message would clearly violate the rules concerning re
>transmitting amateur communications on other services.
>

There is nothing prohibits the use of an amateur phone patch to make a
telephone call to a paging system, that it turn forwards the message out
on a common carrier or private radio system.  It would be phone call like
any other provided the message content doesn't violate any rules.

The autopatch is a connection to the public switched telephone network,
not to the paging system.

--
Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA




From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tcnic)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Date: 10 Sep 1995 08:20:47 -0400
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Tone Deaf?  I learned code punching it out on a bicycle horn.  Remember
those things - they squawk like a parrot.  Not a nice "DC tone."  Lots of
folks rely on the computer programs and audio tapes to learn.  What worked
for me was punching it out on a code oscillator and listening to it.
Helps develop a good "fist", too.  Might try that.  Then when you get the
characters down, then move on to the computer programs and tapes.

Good luck

--Craig (KW9R)


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Randy Kielich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vanity call sign data base question
Date: 10 Sep 1995 08:43:16 GMT
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        I was told that there is a data base on Compu$erve ( in a library
perhaps ) that has an up to date (?) listing of 2 by 1 and 1 by 2 extra
class callsigns for the area number 6 calls.

        Can someone send me the file or give me 'ftp' directions to it
as it may be stored somewhere else and I suspect is also subject to change.

        I see that W5YI is actually selling this list; however, it looks
like the F.C.C. won't have it's system up till Nov. 1st. or so ( maybe ;-@ )

        Appreciate any help in this area -- and to think I once thought this
was going to be easy....

        _Randy  Kielich  N6WDV  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave van De Kerk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Element 2 and 3A teaching materials wanted
Date: 10 Sep 95 09:26:57 GMT
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Hello, I have written up some notes for 3A in Word For Windows 2
format.  Does anyone have anything else which might be useful for
preparing notes for a class for beginner hams, particularly a
clipart collection or a set of classroom notes for 2 and 3A.

I'll take anything I can get.  Of course, I am only looking for
material which is not covered under any sort of commercial copyright
restriction.
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 David P. van De Kerk             Manager, Systems Integration
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave van De Kerk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QSL path request for LU9HUP and LU3DSI
Date: 10 Sep 95 09:44:24 GMT
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If anyone would e-mail me the QSL path info for
LU9HUP, Jorge in Rio Culco and LU3DSI, Rod, I would be
most grateful.  They are my first South American contacts.
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 KE6GXD


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:38 1995
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Subject: Re: Mrs. Mark Fuhrman (AA2IO)??
Date: 10 Sep 1995 10:54:55 GMT
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[e-mail] (John R. Cunliffe) wrote:
>some of our best friends are jews and the comments they made after
>reading your msg to my wife are not to be repeated on this echo...

Right, you have Jewish friends and Mark Furhman is President of
the NAACP.


>
>AND YES I'M A GERMAN AND I AM PROUD OF IT..

Fits.



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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Message-ID: <9a7cb$[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:
|> [e-mail]  writes:
|>
|> AW>The CW test really is an initiation rite, in my opinion.  After all,
|> AW>I've operated CW for years, and one problem I see that is not
|> AW>addressed by the CW test is poor sending ability.  When I was a
|> AW>VE, we did not administer a sending test, only a receiving test.
|>
|> EXACTLY, Art! There SHOULD be a sending test too IMHO!
|> Back when I took my tests, 1968-78 you had to send too!
|> 73 de G3XLQ, WB4FPH, AF4K
|> ---
|>  ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Am I apathetic? I don't know & don't care!
|>
When I took mine in '69 I didn't have to send.  The assumption was twofold
(and quite valid).  1.  If you could receive you could send.  2.  If assumption
1 wasn't valid, the hams would let you know.

  dale
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TOWER VICTORY IN N.Y.
Date: 10 Sep 1995 12:36:08 GMT
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This is a copy of a letter that I sent to the ARRL.

**************************************************************************
*********

                             RON GOLDSTEIN
                                  K A 2 I I A
                          15 KENNETH DRIVE
                PUTNAM VALLEY, NEW YORK 10579
                         ***914-526-3221***



AMERICAN RADIO RELAY LEAGUE
225 MAIN STREET
NEWINGTON, CONNECTICUT 06111


Gentlemen:


     I am enclosing a copy of the first document of its' kind
in the history of the town in which I live. It is a building
permit for an Amateur Radio antenna. The town that I live in
is Putnam Valley, in Putnam County, New York, just west of
Danbury, Connecticut. I have lived here for 18 years, and
have been a licensed amateur for 15 of those years.

     I have wanted to erect some kind of tower for all of
those 15 years, but could not because of zoning regulations
and a stubborn member of the zoning board of appeals--who, I
am ashamed to say, is also a fellow Ham Radio Operator. His
call is WB2VBO--His name is Herb Levinson. One night about 13
years ago, at a local ham radio club meeting, I approached
him, and asked him how do I apply for a variance to erect a
tower. His answer was, "Don't even apply, I'll vote it down".
Luckily, he is no longer on the board.

     Because of that, I struggled for the past 13 years,
getting pounded in pile-ups, and NOT being able to work most
of the rare DX on the bands. However I managed to get my WAS,
and DXCC with 131 countries currently confirmed.

     Getting back to our tower victory---About 2 years ago,
there was talk in town about rewriting the Master Zoning
Plan. There are over 30 licensed hams in town, but only about
10 of us are active. We attended many zoning board meetings,
and spoke our minds, explaining that local towns are NOT
allowed to regulate Amateur Radio Antennas, and supplying
them with sample zoning plans from towns that allow antennas
to be erected. We also explained that only the FCC is
allowed to regulate us, our stations, and our antennas. We
also explained that ONLY the FCC is allowed to regulate RFI.

     We asked our Hudson Division director and vice-director
for help with this. I personally called the vice-director at
least 5 times, but we never received a return phone call from
either one of them--A BIG DISAPPOINTMENT.

     Even though they refused to help us, we kept on
plugging, and at one of the final discussion meetings, I
stood up and asked the board their views on Amateur Radio
Antennas. To my surprise, the acting head of the board stood
up and said that he had an aunt and uncle that were hams, and
he thought that they supplied a very valuable service to
their community, and he said that he saw NO REASON to deny us
the ability to erect our antennas. The other 3 board members
surprisingly agreed with him.

     Since then, the new zoning regulations were published,
and Amateur Radio antennas are now allowed with a maximum
height of 100 feet--more than enough for my needs and any
other ham in town. Actually, somewhere in the new zoning book
it also says that Amateur Radio antennas WILL NOT be
regulated by the town, but MUST conform to all applicable FCC
regulations--which actually allows us 200 feet !!!

     Well, that's the story here in Putnam Valley. I just
wanted to let you know what perserverence and acting like a
gentleman can do, even WITHOUT the help of our Hudson
Division directors.




                              Yours truly,





                              Ron Goldstein.....KA2IIA




From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hams in Disasters, was How do you answer?
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 13:10:13
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In article <42sk17$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Thomas Randall) writes:

>   I imagine the folks in Oaklahoma and the hurricane prone states would
>disagree with that statement. Care to explain WHY ham radio is a disaster
>during disasters?

That's Oklahoma...

The biggest problem in the Oklahoma bombing, was the first people to set up
comms had more energy than knowledge.  After a day they were finally pushed
aside and told to go home.  I understand a strong personality with leadership
skills was void during the first day.

But also here in Oklahoma, the Hams were relegated to serving food at little
rescue stations.  Most comms were "We need more coffee at station 4," or
"More sandwiches, etc."  It took a week for FEMA to get its communications
gear to the site.  At that point, they used a satellite dish (on a truck) to
bypass the local phone system.  All Disaster Preparedness drills were
planned by the city to include cellular phone.  Guess what, a cell node
can't handle 100's of Gomers running around with radio phones!

I think the usefulness of amateur radio at the blast site was insignificant.
There was no way to solve the cities communications problem, which was
the need for phones.  If Hams had a DP plan that included multiplexing
100 phones out of the Disaster site, they would have had value.  As it
was, they were told to stay out of the way and get coffeee.

--
Steve



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL stands for itself
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 13:24:14
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In article <42vap3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: ARRL stands for itself
>Date: 10 Sep 1995 18:28:51 GMT

> I find it disturbing that i have not heard any "offical" stand on this
> on-going "drop-the-code-on -hf" argument. Are they collecting data, like
> how many or what % of the ham population is for it or against it?

It's a silly argument.  It's a non-issue.  HF has no need for no-code, as the
population using it is quite satisfied with the status-quo.  Who really
cares; is the big question.  Is there something broken that no-code will
fix?  No, there is 1000's of people willing to take a code test and not
whine.  I say again, it is a non-problem.

ARRL doesn't make official comments.  They make official legal statements.
Everything they produce is based on enhancing their political position with
Congress.  They are a PAC.  To participate in idle chit-chat with wanna-be's
is at most counter-productive.  Put a Bill before Congress, or Petition the
FCC, and you "may" get a response from the ARRL.  If they feel like it.

The ARRL is like any organization with more than 1 Vice-President: It has
very low acceleration, and very high drag.  They are effective when they
get up to speed, but piss you off while they are in motion.  It's not the
organization that sucks, it's the 10 people at the top.  They really suck.
But you and thousands of others cannot remove them.  They are lifers,
because of the election rules.
--
Steve



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
Subject: In article <42v9um$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael Covington) writes:
Message-ID: <9a7cb$[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 13:29:45 GMT
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Yes, and no.

Remember when poly paks first started selling mosfets?

They got their names from the "packs" that they sold in polyethelene bags.  They
paid for the privilege of sweeping the floors at electronic parts manufacturing
firms, took the floor sweepings and bagged them.

When mosfets first came out, they went into the poly bags as everything else had.
Early mosfets were more static damage prone than these days and the static
electricity generated by dumping them out of the poly bag pretty much did 'em in
as I recall...

>
> --
> Michael A. Covington                http://www.ai.uga.edu/faculty/covington/
> Artificial Intelligence Center                                           <><
> The University of Georgia                Unless specifically indicated, I am
> Athens, GA 30602-7415 U.S.A.                not speaking for the University.
>


Keywords:



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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Burt Fisher's Ramblings
Date: 10 Sep 1995 14:24:19 GMT
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Can anyone tell me what Burt Fisher's ramblings have to do with ham
radio?

Maybe we need another newsgroup to handle this stuff such as
rec.radio.jerks.ramblings.nothing.todo.with.ham.radio


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James Dickson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: wtb swr&watt meter
Date: 10 Sep 1995 14:30:17 GMT
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I want a goo watt meter for 10 to 160 meter



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James Dickson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: wtb swr&watt meter
Date: 10 Sep 1995 14:30:35 GMT
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I want a good watt meter for 10 to 160 meter



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity call sign data base question
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 14:36:43 GMT
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[e-mail] (Randy Kielich) wrote:

>       I was told that there is a data base <snipped in the interest of bandwidth>


If you ever find a source, would you either email me or post the
answer?  Thanks.

Jim
WB6BHI


Jim Weir VP Engineering  | "I turned to my wife, as startled as the
RST Engineering          | pilot by what I'd seen.  Dirt-streaked,
Grass Valley CA 95945    | glorious, she smiled at me, tear-bright
voice/fax [phone]   | radiance.  'Richie, they're going to try
[e-mail]         | for it!' she said, "Wish them love!'" (Bach)



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:49 1995
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From: Alan Dove <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Rescue Radio Recommendation Wanted
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 15:49:43 -0400
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On 10 Sep 1995, Mark Gahler wrote:

> I carry a CB with me when I'm in the Virginia mountains, but I'm planning
> to spend some time in remote areas of Nevada and other western states this
> fall, so I've been looking for an alternative.
>
> Can a civilian buy a transceiver that operates at 121.5 MHz, perhaps a
> single frequency emergency radio? I got a safety brief from an Army helo
> pilot recently in which he showed us his little emergency radio. I'm
> guessing this may have been a single channel transceiver plus a beacon.
> Where, how, and at what cost can a civilian version be purchased?

There are single-frequency rescue beacons.  Marine supply stores sell them
for boating use, and they are called EPIRBs.  The drawback to this, of
course, is that you can't communicate the exact nature of the emergency,
how many people it involves, etc.

> My other plan was to buy a 5W+ 2-meter handheld and an amateur license.

This sentence is ambiguous, so I'll point out that you don't "buy" an
amateur radio license.  You have to take a test, then the team that
administered the test sends the forms to the FCC and they ship your
license to you in the mail.  The process has been sped up considerably,
so the FCC turnaround time is down to a couple of weeks, but you will
probably need to take some time to study for the test.  Contact a local
ham club for more information.

> I just picked up a repeater directory and notice that repeaters are somewhat
> sparse in Nevada except around Reno or Las Vegas. I'm not confident this
> would be a good choice since I'm interested in having a radio only for an
> emergency, and the more remote you get, the less usable they seem to be.

From a good height, you can hit a repeater 50-60 miles away with no problem.

> Getting something that talks to the sky would seem to be a better choice.
> Aren't there some orbiting amateur satellites that pass over everywhere a
> couple of times a day? Would they be usable to a guy with a 2-meter handheld
> if he knew their schedule?

Probably not so useful.  Most of the satellites have uplink and downlink
frequencies in different bands (10 meters and 2 meters, for example), and
use SSB or Morse code rather than FM (which is what 2 meter handhelds
use).  There are satellites you can listen to on a 2 meter HT, but
transmitting to them generally requires directional antennas.

In my experience, a 2 meter rig is fine for contacting someone from the
backcountry - but my experience is limited to the densely-populated East.
In the West, even though there are fewer repeaters, they tend to be
located on VERY high mountain tops, so their range is usually greater.
Someone in your local ham club has probably been out there, and will be
able to offer better advice.  In addition, there is an informal protocol
followed by many hams in the backcountry of listening to 146.520 MHz at
the top of every hour for five minutes.  As this becomes more widespread,
repeater coverage becomes less of an issue.  Finally, while ham radio
isn't 100% guaranteed communication, it is, in my experience, more
versatile than cellular phones (at the risk of starting a hackneyed
thread again).

> Mark Gahler

          --Alan

__________________
Alan Dove
N3IMU
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Gahler)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Rescue Radio Recommendation  Wanted
Date: 10 Sep 1995 16:02:15 GMT
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In article <42rdtm$[e-mail]>,
Curtis Wheeler  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>121.5 is well monitored all over the U.S. for supporting aviation
>distress calls as well as ELTs.  The frequency is in the aviation service
>but is designated as an international distress frequency for maritime use
>as well.  It's use on land for distress purposes would be considered
>legitimate.


I carry a CB with me when I'm in the Virginia mountains, but I'm planning
to spend some time in remote areas of Nevada and other western states this
fall, so I've been looking for an alternative.

Can a civilian buy a transceiver that operates at 121.5 MHz, perhaps a
single frequency emergency radio? I got a safety brief from an Army helo
pilot recently in which he showed us his little emergency radio. I'm
guessing this may have been a single channel transceiver plus a beacon.
Where, how, and at what cost can a civilian version be purchased?

My other plan was to buy a 5W+ 2-meter handheld and an amateur license.
I just picked up a repeater directory and notice that repeaters are somewhat
sparse in Nevada except around Reno or Las Vegas. I'm not confident this
would be a good choice since I'm interested in having a radio only for an
emergency, and the more remote you get, the less usable they seem to be.

Getting something that talks to the sky would seem to be a better choice.
Aren't there some orbiting amateur satellites that pass over everywhere a
couple of times a day? Would they be usable to a guy with a 2-meter handheld
if he knew their schedule?


Mark Gahler



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 10 Sep 1995 16:15:08 GMT
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>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
writes:
>>>                <snip>
>>>Er, I think new hams CAN use 10m FM with the NOCODE TECH license,
>>>can't they? I don't hear any of them using carbon mike FM xmtrs
though!
>>>                <snip>
>>
>>No, NOCODE TECHs can NOT use 10-meters, either FM, SSB, AM, or CW.
>>10-meters

Not today...but coming soon, due to popular demand.


-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (bob)
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Subject: help
Date: 10 Sep 1995 16:40:54 GMT
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Could some-one send me the accessory pinout for the ic-271 or is-471

          with thanks Bob VE7OR



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bryan King)
Subject: Hams in Novato, California
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I am looking to make a contact on the HF phone bands with any hams in
Novato, California. I live in Hillsborough County, New Hampshire.

I was recently back in Novato on Labor Day weekend and spotted a few
beams and G5RV's in people's yards.  Too shy to go knock on the door, I
thought I'd try this forum instead.  I lived in Novato and went to 1st
grade there and would be very happy to have a QSO with one of the fine
residents of that wonderful city in Marin County.

If you are interested or know of someone who is, please send me e-mail
at [e-mail].  I'll be travelling alot this fall but will
check in on the mail once or twice a week, mostly weekends.


Thanks and 73's

Bryan - KA1FQT




From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 10 Sep 1995 17:36:20 GMT
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Drew Durigan ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
: >>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
: writes:
: >>>                <snip>
: >>>Er, I think new hams CAN use 10m FM with the NOCODE TECH license,
: >>>can't they? I don't hear any of them using carbon mike FM xmtrs
: though!
: >>>                <snip>
: >>
: >>No, NOCODE TECHs can NOT use 10-meters, either FM, SSB, AM, or CW.
: >>10-meters

: Not today...but coming soon, due to popular demand.


: -Drew in Charlotte-
:  KF4DDM



  And where did you hear this? I haven't heard any rumors concerning
this.

Tom - KB2SMS



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Covington)
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Subject: Re: Origins of Digi-Key (was Re: Digi-Key prices)
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Speaking of which, does anybody remember when Jameco was simply "James"
and sold calculator chips?

Or does anyone besides me still miss Poly Paks?

--
Michael A. Covington                http://www.ai.uga.edu/faculty/covington/
Artificial Intelligence Center                                           <><
The University of Georgia                Unless specifically indicated, I am
Athens, GA 30602-7415 U.S.A.                not speaking for the University.


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:56 1995
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Subject: ARRL stands for itself
Date: 10 Sep 1995 18:28:51 GMT
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I find it disturbing that i have not heard any "offical" stand on this on-going "drop-the-code-on -hf"
arguement. Are they collecting data, like how many or what % of the ham population is for it or against it?
Is that what they will base their stand on?
 I think that they are looking at what is best "financally " for the ARRL.
I have seen articale by staff writers at H.Q. , but never by the board-of-directors itself. Why?or Why not?
Like all politicans they are more-than-likely looking how best a postion serves them, not the people.
I personally, don't trust them. They claim, and are looked at by the FCC as ham radios only offical
representive, but they were not elected(eg. HQ board), they only have 10% of all hams as QST subscribers.
Are they truely representing us? Or are watching out for only their own pocket book?
                                                  Just a few thoughts,  and questions de Matt/KK5DR



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:57 1995
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From: Dave Johnson <djohnson@gray>
Subject: Re: Calling pagers with autopatch?
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On Tue, 5 Sep 1995, Mike Musick wrote:


> Your main problem is that the repeater will likely have DTMF suppression
> of some sort, and won't pass the tones down the phone line. Some
> controllers have a bypass code to do this, but then it becomes a question
> of whether the owner/trustee is going to share that information
> (frequently this is regarded as a special function for control op use
> because of its potential for abuse).

        "DTMF suppression" most commonly applies to the retransmitted
repeater audio and NOT to that audio which goes to the phone line.  How
else can your DTMF tones be read by the telephone company's switching
system so that your number is "dialed?"  There might be controllers out
there suppress DTMF tones after the call is completed, but I have neither
used 'em or heard of 'em.

        The suppression of the retransmitted DTMF tones serves as security
for the control operator and for autopatch users who do not wish to have
those monitoring with decoders know the codes and numbers sent.  The
disable feature permits these codes to be retransmitted where the control
operator permits group calling and DTMF squelch use.



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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:29:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Wayne Green
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:09:31
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:

>He was doing semi-automated digital message forwarding in the 40s.
>He pushed FM repeaters before most hams knew anything about VHF.

>He pioneered mountaintopping at microwave. And he's pushed ATV,
>foxhunting, and other activities we take for granted today.

There is a difference between taking credit for those things, and actually
doing them.  He didn't really spend that much time at any of those hobbies.
He did allow others to publish their ideas.  He is kind of wishy-washy on
the facts, but basically he did participate in noted events, but was unable
to become a regular of any of them.  He probably spent 2 hours puting up
his NYC link on VHF he always talks about, but then 45 years bragging
about it.  I just hate to think how many people he got to write about their
projects, who he never paid.  If I was going to write for 73, I'd demand that
their offer be a post dated check, or a timed deposit in any bank except
one in MA or VT.  Otherwise I fear you will be only donating a gift.
--
Steve



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From: Dave Johnson <djohnson@gray>
Subject: Re: How do i find out my exact Longitude/latitude ?
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On 8 Sep 1995, James W. KELLEY wrote:

> Get a USGS 7 degree map of your area from your local camping/hiking store or
> from the US Government Printing office.  The grid lines are in longitude
> and latitude.


        If you want to locate yourself more precisely, I recommend a 7 1/2
minute quadrangle map over the 7 degree map mentioned.  I'm not familiar
with that scale.

        A little clarification might be in order.  USGS topographic sheets
like the one mentioned above have several different reference grid systems
employed on each map.  The most obvious "grid" lines on most maps (where
townships and range surveys have been done) are section lines that are one
mile on a side and have nothing to do with lat./long.  Each corner of a
topo sheet will be identified with the precise lat/long for that corner.
Small tick marks (~1/8" long) mark 2 1/2 minute interval along the side of
the map.  There will be two of these between the corners making a total of
7 1/2 minutes on each side of the map.  You must interpolate for locations
that do not fall along the ticks.

Dave Johnson



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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James C. Parker)
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Subject: Re: How do i find out my exact Longitude/latitude ?
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James W. KELLEY ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Get a USGS 7 degree map of your area from your local camping/hiking store or
: from the US Government Printing office.  The grid lines are in longitude
: and latitude.

: Jim Kelley


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:01 1995
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I'm looking for a communications expert to gather data, document and then
testify in court. I need someone to identify the frequency (bandwidth) my
thoughts are broadcasted on. The transmission must be traced back to the
repeaters and ultimatly the source.

Testamony of the transmission and what was personally heard must be included
and fees for your services will be paid at time of settlement in dirrect
proportion to the settlement. I suspect if you do your job correctly the
settlement (and your fees) will be substantial enough to travel from other
states to perform your task.

Contact Brad at [e-mail] or call [phone].


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Cook)
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I have added some EME audio recordings (WAV files) of
typical moonbounce QSOs to my web page:

       http://www.webcom.com/~af9y

Also included are GIF images of what the signals looked
like with the FFTDSP program.

BTW:  Still no winner of the weak signal challenge.  The
      prize is $40.  All info is on the web page.

de Mike, AF9Y



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:03 1995
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From: Jerry from Pittsburgh <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Looking for callbook via email?
Date: 10 Sep 1995 21:13:38 GMT
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I am looking for a ham callbook that can be accessed via internet mail.  Can anyone help?


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BUDDY10)
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Subject: DX Groups or Nets in Southern California ?
Date: 10 Sep 1995 21:35:04 -0400
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Can anyone refer me to any DX groups or nets in the So. CA area ?  Any
help would be GREATLY appreciated ?    Thanks !

Scott Powell
KD6GPV
General since 1995 !


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:05 1995
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Subject: Re: How do you answer?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>JH>Hello,
>
>JH>   A lot of my friends ask me why I do Ham Radio.  I usually say that I
>JH>learn electronics that way, by talking to other Hams who know how to fix
>JH>all kinds of electronic equipment.  It's really more than that.  I had a
>JH>lot of fun in High School back in the late 60's and yet I can't explain why
>JH>it is fun  It's a hobby within an education within a society.  It's a
>JH>bunch of people having fun till a big emergency happens.  Then it's more
>JH>than fun.
>JH>   What do you say when people ask you why?
>
>JH>73
>
>JH>John AB6KH     :-)
>
>the emergency aspect of amateur radio is the main reason i use when
>explaining why i like the hobby.  i tell people that i don't like
>sitting around feeling helpless and useless when a major disaster
>strikes.  i tell them that it's the most useful method i can think of
>that helps all the local organizations on a whole keep their act
>together and keep moving during an emergency.  that usually satisifies
>them.
>
>greg
>kd6ven
>

I had a pilot friend of mine say that the only way he could answer people when
they asked him why he liked to fly was: "If you can ask the question, you'll never
understand the answer".

Seems appropriate here too.


--
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Dale J. Chatham                                                   WA5WNI
please reply to: [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:06 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Duffy fluff @ unik.
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[e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel) wrote:
>Can anyone tell me what Burt Fisher's ramblings have to do with ham
>radio?
>
>Maybe we need another newsgroup to handle this stuff such as
>rec.radio.jerks.ramblings.nothing.todo.with.ham.radio

I was thinking of rec.radio.wimp.unik.qsl.hihi.practice.preach.

     ///|\\\
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| You are a Ham Radio Operator if...                                   |
|                                                                      |
| your XYL, who is still 130lb, tremendously  attractive,  comes  to   |
| you in a hot pink, topless teddy and starts nibbling on your shoulder|
| and you tell her to hang on for a minute because you're just about   |
| to make the contact with East Molohavnia.                            |
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:07 1995
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Subject: Re: Extremely poor behavi
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[e-mail] (DANA MYERS) wrote:
>
>Silly you, indeed.  I don't really care what the content of
>any message is; the bottom line is that posting private e-mail,
>something you seem to have taken to lately, is extremely poor
>Usenet behavior.  Your goal is to inflame, stir up trouble,
>not to defend minorities.

Strange how you would know my mind better than I do.

No one here gives a damn about people EXCEPT me.
See sig below, it says all.

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| you in a hot pink, topless teddy and starts nibbling on your shoulder|
| and you tell her to hang on for a minute because you're just about   |
| to make the contact with East Molohavnia.                            |
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joshua Daniels)
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Subject: .rdf files for 51R
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 22:32:23
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Hi there.

I heard that that there may be FTP sites for .rdf files created by the ADMS-1
software.   Does anyone know of any?

Josh, N2JLL




From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Herb Rosenberg)
Subject: Ham Stores in Phoenix, AZ?
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I would apprecaite hearing about what ham radio stores are located in the
Phoenix, Arizona area.  I know that HRO has a store there, but I am also
interested in what other full service ham stores there might be there.

I am going to Phoenix the end of this week, and I am interested in
visiting them.

Thanks and 73's/

Herb - KG6OK


--
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Guillaume Filion)
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Subject: UN amateur association ?
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 23:24:20 -0400
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I just read in the paper that St-Martin's island amateurs have ask for
help and supply (following Luis huricane) to nearby countries via the
United Nations amateur association...

Does anyone have information on that association; ie location, membership
requirements etc.

Many thanks

Jacky VA2JF

--
Je parle franτais!


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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<[e-mail]> wrote:

>I need someone to Identify the frequency my thoughts are broadcasted on.
>Additionally, the repeaters and source will have to be identified and
>documented sufficiently for a lawsuit. Expert testomony will also be need.
>Compensation in proportion to settlement. Contact Brad at
>[e-mail] or if no e-mail reply call at [phone].

I can copy your thoughts on 14.313 MHz with a little QSB. Can you
change your orientation so that you're facing Hawaii?

Jeff NH6IL


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[e-mail] (Michael Covington) wrote:
>Speaking of which, does anybody remember when Jameco was simply "James"
>and sold calculator chips?
>
>Or does anyone besides me still miss Poly Paks?
>
>--
>Michael A. Covington                http://www.ai.uga.edu/faculty/covington/
>Artificial Intelligence Center                                           <><
>The University of Georgia                Unless specifically indicated, I am
>Athens, GA 30602-7415 U.S.A.                not speaking for the University.

Ah, yes; nostalgia time. Before the days of the dreaded 'minimum order $' policy
(mail rates were lower, too). "Hacker" had an entirely different meaning, and many
distributors supplied parts data with the order at no extra cost (Poly Paks was one
of these, and they moved a LOT of surplus electronics).

Some pretty good sources are still around. BG Micro (Dallas) and R&D Electronics
(Cleveland) are two. Mouser is good for a large stocking distributor. Radio Shack?
I leave that evaluation to you. But, like you, I sometimes miss those kinder,
gentler times.





From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:13 1995
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From: Stephan Rashkin <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Help - Ham-stores in Philadelphia ??
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[e-mail] (Knut Terje Ulvund) wrote:
>
> CQ CQ , calling hams in or nearby Philadelphia, PA.
>
> My name is Terje, Call-sign LA8RIA.
> I am going to visit Philadelphia between Fri 15. sep. 95
> and Sat. 23. sep. 95.
> During this week I am interested in visiting one or more
> ham-stores to pick up an all mode 2m or 2m/70cm transceiver.
>
> Are there anyone out there who can help me out locating ham-stores
> in or nearby the City.
>
> I will attend the International Oracle User Week at the
> Pennsylvania Convention Center.
>
> Answers are preferrably recieved by mail to :
> [e-mail]
>
> Many thanks in advance !!
>
> 73's de Terje
> --
> +-----------------------------------------------+
> !  Knut Terje Ulvund                            !
> !  Headquarters - Defense Command Norway        !
> !  Email      : [e-mail]                !
> !  Tel. job   : ([phone]               !
> !  Tel. priv  : ([phone]               !
> !  Packet-BBS : LA8RIA@LA4O                     !
> !                                               !
> ! 'f U cnt rd ths, U'r nt a prgrmr !            !
> +-----------------------------------------------+

There's one called Hamtronics just outside of Phila.,in a town
called Trevose..maybe 15 to 20 minutes from Phila. They carry
all major brands of ham goodies..
Steve, WA2NHZ



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:14 1995
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Subject: Re: Wayne Green
Date: 11 Sep 1995 01:50:32 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Steve Sampson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I just hate to think how many people he got to write about their
>projects, who he never paid.  If I was going to write for 73, I'd demand that
>their offer be a post dated check, or a timed deposit in any bank except
>one in MA or VT.  Otherwise I fear you will be only donating a gift.

One data point - When '73' published my article, I told Wayne that I
didn't need or expect any payment. He paid me anyway.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Herndon R. Elliott)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
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[e-mail] (michael silva) wrote:

>Are you suggesting businesses are only after our HF frequencies?  If
>not, then what does Morse have to do with it?  A no-code Tech can do
>(practically) anything that an Extra can do above 50MHz.  How exactly
>will no-code Extras save our frequencies?

By finding new and innovative uses for them.  By having the expertise
to build and propogate trunked repeaters or other goodies that the
stogy OFs don't or won't understand.

>What do CW, Morse code or (yawn) spark gaps have to do with wireless
>networking technology?

Nothing - that was my point.

>  To the extent that hams may be experimenting
>with it, are they primarily using HF?  Which amateurs did you have in
>mind who *do* need to know about spark gap "generators"?

I was referring to a group of code lovers who believe that "since I
had to go through it you gotta" about the code test.  I must not have
been making my point clear.  CW is like shoeing horses - it is a
necessary art, but one with very little future growth potential and
absolutely no technological exploitation possiblity.  If we don't
change our rules to allow techies to get into the higher license
realms, the future of ham radio will be left to a bunch of QSL card
collectors who want nothing more than to chat (via code or voice) with
somebody from another distant location .  Yawn.

>This is yet another post written as though the no-code Tech license
>didn't exist.  It's been four years now, people.  Talk about trapped in
>the past...

No, its the license I hold.  I want to move up, but I can't, because
of that blasted code requirement.  Code is useless, and it will never
support further technological exploitation.  Its time we recognized
that and and made the code requirement it what it really is - an
acknolegement of the past art and craft of radio that holds little
promise except as a laboratory curiosity or a museum piece.

Don't hold me back from becoming a higher class license just beacuse I
dont know about the code.  I don't care or desire to know the code,
and if I learn it to pass the test, I will immediately erase that part
of my softdisk when I get done with the test.



Herndon Elliott
Amateur Radio:  KE4KUZ (147.505Mhz or 444.575Mhz)
Internet: [e-mail] (home)
Internet: [e-mail] (work)
=====================================================
"The first lesson of economics is scarcity: there is
never enough of anything to fully satisfy all those
who want it. The first lesson of politics is to
disregard the first lesson of economics."
               -- Thomas Sowell
=====================================================



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 11 Sep 1995 01:51:40 GMT
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>: >>No, NOCODE TECHs can NOT use 10-meters, either FM, SSB, AM, or CW.
>: >>10-meters
>
>: Not today...but coming soon, due to popular demand.
>
>
>: -Drew in Charlotte-
>:  KF4DDM
>
>
>
>  And where did you hear this? I haven't heard any rumors concerning
>this.


It's only a matter of time.  The sheer numbers of no-coders who wish to
operate HF without wasting their time learning an antiquated mode of
communciation like Morse will demand it.  Their effort will be helped by
well-heeled commercial interests who wish to sell equipment to these
thousands of would-be HF operators (Radio Shack and their proposed new
codeless class, etc.)

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Babinski)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Stranger in a Strange Land
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 01:51:58
Organization: Internet Express (800-592-1240 customer service)
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Excuse me, folks, may I break into this thread to ask a question?

I am writing a book for scouts (i.e. boys 11 to 18), the primary object of
which is to introduce them to a variety of activities which were once common
hobbies or activities but which are now not immediately accessible.  (It is
actually a little more complicated than that, but that's the general idea).

I wanted to have a section on radio, but I am finding that it is very
difficult to enter this world to get a general overview.  Yes, I have been to
the public library.  Not much help there, although there are a number of nice
books providing the wrong sort of information.  I suppose that I could go to
meetings of a radio club and simply ask these questions, but...well, in a
sense that is what I am doing here.  Please consider me a stranger rather than
a newbie, i.e. saying,  Try this and see if you enjoy it, is not really an
answer, since I am looking for information rather than to join the hobby.  The
reason why radio is in the book is that I have the notion from somewhere that
radio is a very good hobby for boys to take up, but for myself personally I
already have very little time.

Here are my questions.

(1)  Please assume that there is a boy who has no personal contact with anyone
whose hobby is radio.  Assume that he can find someone to teach him to solder.
He is a bright 12 year old, but he is by no means young Edison or scientific
prodigy.  He is a little shy, and he doesn't know a lot of adults.  He has a
notion that it would be fun to build a radio that really works.  He doesn't
want to buy a kit from radio shack.  The oatmeal box is part of the fun.
Question:  what radio should he build and how much will it cost him? What kind
of messages will it pick up?

2.     Same kid.  He has the idea that it would be fun to build a radio, or
perhaps if cheap enough buy a radio, that he could take into the woods.  He
pictures himself stringing up an antennae and communicating in Morse code with
people all over the place.  The fact that it is portable and in Morse code is
part of the fun.  He read a story about the Nobile expedition and the ham in
Russia who got their signal, and that's the sort of thing he pictures.  He
also wants something that could be used in an emergency in very remote places.
Question:  how does he get started?  Remember that he is not going to begin by
attending meetings of the radio relay league or anything like that.

The object of the exercise, or at least one object, is to get the kid into the
activity, so that he is doing it for real, without his having to know anyone
personally.  And then, presumedly, at some point some adult will say, hey,
what to you have there?  Well, that's pretty nifty, son.  I do that sort of
thing myself....  and perhaps the mentoring begins.  As opposed to the other
model, which probably apples to most kids in radio, which is that they get
introduced by an adult or organized activity at school or home.   Certainly it
is a difficult hobby to access by simply wandering in at that age.

Thanks for
your help.

David Babinski


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Date: 11 Sep 1995 02:42:22 GMT
Organization: Prodigy Services Company  1-800-PRODIGY
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>No, its the license I hold.  I want to move up, but I can't, because
>of that blasted code requirement.  Code is useless, and it will never
>support further technological exploitation.  Its time we recognized
>that and and made the code requirement it what it really is - an
>acknolegement of the past art and craft of radio that holds little
>promise except as a laboratory curiosity or a museum piece.
>
>Don't hold me back from becoming a higher class license just beacuse I
>dont know about the code.  I don't care or desire to know the code,
>and if I learn it to pass the test, I will immediately erase that part
>of my softdisk when I get done with the test.


AMEN!!  My thoughts exactly.

How many of those oldtimers who can copy CW at 20+ WPM and insist that "I
had to learn it, so they have to learn it too!"...how many of them are
capable of operating a personal computer?  Even a simple function like
word processing or connecting to the Internet.  Not many, I'd guess.

Which of these skills do you think is most useful in 1995?

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:19 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.texoma.com!usenet
From: Gary Stone <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for callbook via email?
Date: 11 Sep 1995 03:08:26 GMT
Organization: Internet Texoma, Inc.
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To: [e-mail]

As far as I know, the following is still active:

Example:  For getting N5PHT address via e-mail:

send to:  [e-mail]
(no subject)
REPLY [e-mail]
CALL n5pht

Note the caps and use them.  The REPLY is for the e-mail you want the
results to be sent.

Good luck,

Gary Stone, N5PHT




       /\__/\        Gary and Karen Stone (Gary N5PHT)
        0  0         E-Mail:  [e-mail]
         @               or    [e-mail]
       (_/\_)        Http://home.texoma.com/personal/garystone
         ~~




From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: [HOW-TO] Turn off Burt, K1OIK
Date: 11 Sep 1995 04:17:47 GMT
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Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >I think it is about time we turn off Burt, turn our attention back to the
: >matters we really care about (like ham radio), and redirect this
: >newsgroup back to its intended purpose - Amateur Radio.


: Go ahead.
: But even if ignored (which will never happen because there is always
: someone who just has to say something-like you) I will be here.
:

Yes, Burt.  I expect that that will be true, just like a bad case of
jock-itch.


--
         ________________________________________________________________
        |                                                                |
        | Gary Schwartz  K9GS           E-Mail: [e-mail] |
        | Society of Midwest Contesters   Packet:[e-mail] |
        | Greater Milwaukee DX Association Secretary/Treasurer           |
        |________________________________________________________________|





From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (michael silva)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Date: 11 Sep 1995 05:18:14 GMT
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In <43051v$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Herndon
R. Elliott) writes:
>
>[e-mail] (michael silva) wrote:
>
>>Are you suggesting businesses are only after our HF frequencies?  If
>>not, then what does Morse have to do with it?  A no-code Tech can do
>>(practically) anything that an Extra can do above 50MHz.  How exactly
>>will no-code Extras save our frequencies?
>
>By finding new and innovative uses for them.  By having the expertise
>to build and propogate trunked repeaters or other goodies that the
>stogy OFs don't or won't understand.

Why can't Techs fill that role?  A Tech *can* learn more (or know more
initially) than what's on the test.  That was the *whole idea* behind
the no-code proposal!
>
>>What do CW, Morse code or (yawn) spark gaps have to do with wireless
>>networking technology?
>
>Nothing - that was my point.

And my point is that you don't need knowledge of any of those things
*today* to work with that technology.
>
>>  To the extent that hams may be experimenting
>>with it, are they primarily using HF?  Which amateurs did you have in
>>mind who *do* need to know about spark gap "generators"?
>
<...> If we don't
>change our rules to allow techies to get into the higher license
>realms, the future of ham radio will be left to a bunch of QSL card
>collectors who want nothing more than to chat (via code or voice) with
>somebody from another distant location .  Yawn.

Can't "techies" find enough to tech about above 50MHz?  Conversely, do
no "techies" ever learn the code and upgrade?  You have quite a
jaundiced view of those with HF access.  It makes no sense to me that
you want to flood HF with "techies" at the same time that most
commercial interests are flooding *out* of HF.
>
>>This is yet another post written as though the no-code Tech license
>>didn't exist.  It's been four years now, people.  Talk about trapped
in
>>the past...
>
>No, its the license I hold.  I want to move up, but I can't, because
>of that blasted code requirement.  Code is useless, and it will never
>support further technological exploitation.  Its time we recognized
>that and and made the code requirement it what it really is - an
>acknolegement of the past art and craft of radio that holds little
>promise except as a laboratory curiosity or a museum piece.
>
>Don't hold me back from becoming a higher class license just beacuse I
>dont know about the code.  I don't care or desire to know the code,
>and if I learn it to pass the test, I will immediately erase that part
>of my softdisk when I get done with the test.

*Why* do you want a higher-class license?  What exactly do you want to
move up *to*?  You talk about technological exploitation (exploration?)
 Is that why you need HF access?  Try as I might, I just can't make
sense of your particular argument.

Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Max Sabo)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC WWW address needed
Date: 11 Sep 1995 05:43:09 GMT
Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access [phone]
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I don't mean to get on anyone, but I know that some of these WWW servers
that SAY they are updated everyday - are in fact, NOT updated everyday.

My friend took the tech test last Saturday (the 2nd) and the fcc issued
her a callsign the next Thursday (the 7th) - is that a fcc record?
Remember there was a Labor day that fell on a Monday in between there.

If you want the most up to date info on your callsign, check out

ftp://fcc.gov/pub/XFS_AlphaTest/amateur

it's an ftp site where the fcc puts all of it's daily activity in files
like mon.zip (for monday).  AFter the week has ended, I am assuming it
goes into the appl.zip file, which is currently at 30megs.

As far as the QRZ being updated everyday - my parents calls aren't even on
there, and it's been a long time since they got their licenses in the
mail, at least in terms of daily updates.

Hope this helps those who are waiting for their calls

Max
N7NWG



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Max Sabo)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for callbook via email?
Date: 11 Sep 1995 06:05:31 GMT
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In article <42vke2$du3$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>I am looking for a ham callbook that can be accessed via internet mail.
Can anyone help?

There is also an e-mail interface to the database. To retrieve callsign
data by e-mail, send a
message to [e-mail] as shown below:

To: [e-mail]
Subject:

lookup aa7bq
lookup w1aw

Hope this helps

Max
N7NWG



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Peter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TH79A diode jumpers
Date: 11 Sep 95 07:34:53 GMT
Organization: ucsd usenet gateway
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To all those who would like to know what all the jumpers do in a
TH79A.

From left to right, looking at the jumpers:
(when removed this is what happens):
1st= European version, 144-146MHz, 430-440MHz
2nd= US version
3rd=unknown
4th TH79A becomes channelised radio.
5th=unknown
6th inknown
7th=TH79A becomes general market version (like US but with reduced
DTMF options and some other changes.

Best,
Peter, KC1QF
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:25 1995
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From: "Bill.Rothwell" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Visit to Australia
Date: 11 Sep 1995 07:40:03 GMT
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Hi,

I'm probably off to Australia on business for 10 days in October, and have got
a reciprocal licence. Does anyone know the frequencies and access procedures
of 2m and 70cms repeaters over there?

I will be in the Sydney area.

Regards, Bill, G0VDE



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Peter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TH27A
Date: 11 Sep 95 07:55:05 GMT
Organization: ucsd usenet gateway
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: [e-mail]

I have a TH27A and would like tohave modification information. The TH27A has been modified
and as such, it doiesnt have the airband anymore (I remember that when you
modify the TH27A you lose the airband). Can someone tell me how to un-
modify it, or send me the modification details please?
Oakland.com only has a simple info page without the required  info.
Thanks,
Peter, KC1qf
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Forbes)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.college,alt.radio.pirate,alt.radio.talk,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: PHONE TAP: YOU MEAN PHONE PATCH!
Date: 11 Sep 1995 08:30:05 GMT
Organization: Internet Direct, Inc.
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Steve Hideg) wrote:

> In article <42qejj$[e-mail]>, Don Huff <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > JUST A HAM RADIO TERMINOLOGY CLARIFICATION:  TELEPHONE INTERFACES  TO
>
> <deletia>
>
> I thought hp computers had lower-case letters in their character sets by now.

Not HP computers used by hams! They use Morse code instead of ASCII. It's
a factory option, only $250 extra.

--Bobo [I couldn't resist]


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:28 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: [HOW-TO] Turn off Burt, K1OIK
Date: 11 Sep 1995 09:45:07 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Schwartz) wrote:

>Yes, Burt.  I expect that that will be true, just like a bad case of
>jock-itch.

Wow, so original we are all going HI HI HI HI HI HI.
However most hams never experience an itch in a place that is dorment.


     ///|\\\
   //(-O-O-)\\
---oooO(_)Oooo---------------------------------------------------------
| You are a Ham Radio Operator if...                                   |
|                                                                      |
| your XYL, who is still 130lb, tremendously  attractive,  comes  to   |
| you in a hot pink, topless teddy and starts nibbling on your shoulder|
| and you tell her to hang on for a minute because you're just about   |
| to make the contact with East Molohavnia.                            |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------




From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Jonz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
Date: 11 Sep 1995 09:56:46 GMT
Organization: The Technology Jungle
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Brian Carling ([e-mail]) writes:

        > This group has an astounding number of lame-brain idiots like
        > you that have nothing better to do than argue....Your pathetic
        > argument is nothing beyond, "which came first, the chicken or
        > the egg?" Although anyone intelligent knows it was the chicken(!)

Don't be silly, Brian.  Of course it was the egg!   ;-)


KB6JXT, Todd



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:30 1995
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From: Gary Watts <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: chicago area: please retransmit shuttle on a repeater
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:29:00 -0500
Organization: Interstate Networking Corp
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Philip,

After providing this service for more than a year and several missions
I had to pull it off the air.
Most of the people listening to it did not know morse code
So how did they know who I was...  :->
Running 170 watts on 2 meters (under Vox and audio delay) into a diamond
x500 on a  56' tower this setup covered  50+  miles and could still be
heard on a ht very easily

Reason to terminate

Too many complaints
tooo many know it alls
toooo much hassle  to provide dedicated equipment for the LONG duration
flights

I applaud The HF ops who do it wa3nan and the others at least they have the
support of  clubs  in their adventure

Gary Watts  de  N0OXV  Kansas City Mo
81 GL1100I




On 9 Sep 1995, Philip Chien wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]> , [e-mail]
> writes:
> >Will someone in the chicago please transmit shuttle audio on a regular
> basis
> >on a chicago area repeater (preferably 2-meters, but anything would be
> great)!
> >
> >Thanks much..
>
> Suggestion - why don't you do it?  It's an excellent service to the local
> amateur radio community, and you'll earn the appreciation of the local
> ham community, and space enthusiasts.
>
> Or get together with a bunch of space enthusiasts and hams and get
> together the resources.
>
> Philip Chien, Earth News - space writer and consultant  [e-mail]
>    __                                 __^__          __________
>   |   \                          +---/     \---+    (=========
>   |____\___________              +---\_____/---+     //
>   >____)|        | \__                    \  \______//___
>  >/     |________|    \                   [         _____\
>  >|____________________\                   \_______/
>  Roger, go at throttle up         CHR$(32) the final frontier
>
>


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Tracy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL BBS Number Needed
Date: 11 Sep 1995 11:13:43 -0400
Organization: American Radio Relay League
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Jerry from Pittsburgh ([e-mail]) wrote:
: The ARRL BBS is on 203-666-0578.
: 73

The new phone number for the BBS here at HQ is 203-594-0306 (860-594-0306
should work also, as we are getting a new area code).

Best Regards, Michael Tracy, KC1SX, ARRL Technical Information Services
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
American Radio Relay League, Inc.     Tel: [phone]
225 Main Street                       Fax: [phone]
Newington, CT 06111                   Email: [e-mail]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:32 1995
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From: Trevor Gale <tgale>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Amateur Radio Newsgroups
Date: 11 Sep 1995 11:59:38 GMT
Organization: European Space Agency
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In response to a question posed earlier concerning European radio
amateur newsgroups, I posted a question in various places and I've
been given the following to date:-

German newsgroups:-

   de.comm.ham
   z-netz.telekom.amateurfunk
   fido.ger.darc
   maus.kurzwelle
   zer.z-netz.telecom.amateurfunk (in German)

Austrian newsgroups:-

   at.fido.kurzwelle
   at.fido.shortwave (in German)

Australian newsgroups:- (I know, non-EU, but maybe of interest)

   aus.radio.amateur.* (several)
   aus.radio.broadcast

Bear in mind that not all of these newsgroups may be fed into your particular
news feed source, but at least if you know of their existence, you can ask
about receiving them if your'e interested.
I'm surprised that there aren't more newsgroups than this, but there we are.

Thanks to all those who mailed replies / information to me.

Best 73's, G8GFH
--
 F.C. Trevor Gale (Aerospace engineer)  |  Will Man shout and never listen,
     [e-mail]   (private)        |  Murder for the sake of yesterday?
 [e-mail]  (work)   |  Or will he reach the age of wisdom
 tgale$vmprofs.estec.esa.nl (work IBM)  |  And learn the value of tomorrow?
-> finger [e-mail] for PGP key <-|  Listen. Hear the future calling!



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Police Radar and 2m mobile
Date: 11 Sep 95 12:12:49 GMT
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I got a speeding ticket last week,  the cop claimed to have clocked me at
52 in a 35 mph zone, while he was moving toward me.  I looked at my
speedomete when I saw him turn on his lights and was surprised to see
I was going about 35!  The other shocking thing was my new Uniden
radar detector was on and was silent until I started pulling over
well after he had put on his lights and was almost even with me.  I do
have a 25w 2m rig and was keying it to see if I could get a beep from
a repeater but that never even  triggers my radar detector.

I think he didn't actually clock me, but "guessed" my speed, or saw the
radar detector and had it in for me but I have no reason to think he
he should, as I'ld never seen the guy before.

Does anyone know of any articles that look at 2m QRM with police radar?
And does anyone have any other ideas of what might be going on here?
--


Stephen P. Baker                              phone:    [phone]
Lecturer in Biostatistics                               [phone] fax
Department of Academic Computing                        [phone] home
University of Massachusetts Medical School    e-mail: [e-mail]
55 Lake Avenue North                                  -.- -.. .---- .--. ..-.
Worcester, MA 01655                           www:    http://stats.ummed.edu/
GAT/MA(CS)d+/-p-c++lu++e++m--(++)sn+h---fg+w+t+r-y+(*)


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:34 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RE: Info-Hams Digest V95 #776
Date: 11 Sep 95 12:30:22 GMT
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RE: HTX-212 Info

Gerry,
        They were first available at Dayton this year, and I grabbed
one there.  It works well; very well in fact.  I've not had it mobile
actually, so I have not observed its performance regarding intermod
as I haven't been in the notorious RF hot areas around here.  It is
convient to operate, and reasonable in size.  However, there is one
fatal flaw as far as I'm concerned; you cannot store frequencies outside
the ham bands in memory!  That sucks.  The PL encode/decode works
nicely, and the two VFO's are handy.  I think its a good value.  It
just ticks me off that you can't store out of band freqs in memory.
As a result of that, I wind up using one VFO to hold one of those
freqs I'm interested in all the time.  In that way its there, but
I lose that VFO for other use.  There always seems to be what I call
"the Radio Shack surprise".  It seems it never fails.  They always
seem to build in some limitation that ends up shooting themselves
in the foot.

Paul
wb2oyc
ar..



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:35 1995
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From: Karl Oyster <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Expert Witness
Date: 11 Sep 1995 12:34:27 GMT
Organization: InfiNet
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
 I'm looking for a communications expert to gather data, document and then
 testify in court. I need someone to identify the frequency (bandwidth) my
 thoughts are broadcasted on. The transmission must be traced back to the
 repeaters and ultimatly the source.


Try the local mental health clinic.  They have technicians there
who are trained to deal with exactly this problem.  It happens
all the time, and they don't even charge very mcuh.



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (;^)Bicycle Repairman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Expert Witness
Date: 11 Sep 1995 13:12:14 GMT
Organization: New York University
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In article <431acj$[e-mail]> Karl Oyster <[e-mail]> writes:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
> I'm looking for a communications expert to gather data, document and then
> testify in court. I need someone to identify the frequency (bandwidth) my
> thoughts are broadcasted on. The transmission must be traced back to the
> repeaters and ultimatly the source.
  ^^^^^^^^^                   ^^^^^^

Most use spread-spectrum, simplex only and are not repeatered.  At any
rate, when you transmit, FCC regulations require that you *know* your
frequency and mode of transmission.  So what's the problem?

>
>
>Try the local mental health clinic.  They have technicians there
>who are trained to deal with exactly this problem.  It happens
>all the time, and they don't even charge very mcuh.
>


Moy Wong ([e-mail]) Dept. of Psychology, New York University


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:37 1995
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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur
Subject: Re: September 95 CD-ROM Released
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 13:41:31 GMT
Organization: Microvest Limited, London
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References: <NEWTNews.810501690.25979.amsoft@amsoft> <430ejo$[e-mail]>
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In article <430ejo$[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Bob Scott" writes:

> I see Pete's right back to his spam-grams.  What ever happened to
> that message he posted a few months back announcing he'd only
> post these ads I mean announcements to rec.radio.swap??

I though it was Fred Lloyd, AA7BQ, who promised that for his QRZ CDROM.

(BTW I like Pete's compilation very much, although I find that RT Systems'
SAM to be a far better callsign program, if that's all one needs.  The
browse modes for name and callsign searching in SAM are very good.)

--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:38 1995
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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Expert Witness
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 13:54:47 GMT
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In article <1995Sep10.205756@clstac> [e-mail]  writes:

> I'm looking for a communications expert to gather data, document and then
> testify in court. I need someone to identify the frequency (bandwidth) my
> thoughts are broadcasted on. The transmission must be traced back to the
> repeaters and ultimatly the source.

I think your thoughts in <1995Sep10.205327@clstac> have been repeated here,
so the frequency is clearly far too high.  Surely your personal physician
is the best person to testify to this in court.

--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:39 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Jim)
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
References: <42ark9$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:38:40 GMT
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Brian Carling ([e-mail]) wrote:
: From: [e-mail]

: Oh really? The AMATEUR (note spelling please) population has gone from
: 250,000 to 750,000 in the last 5 or 6 years and YOU claim that it has
: "gone dramatically down!"

: ---
:  ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ AF4K ex-WB4FPH, G3XLQ licensed 1968

Yeh really? NO-CODE TECHs.

Drop the 13 and 20 wpm and keep the 5 wpm.
--
                                             [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:40 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Jim)
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
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References: <[e-mail]> <42llhf$[e-mail]>
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Herndon R. Elliott ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (WARREN WHITBY) wrote:


: Screw the code.  I've tried it, and its nothing but an initiation
: rite.  Someday, after we have had all our frequencies reallocated to
: businesses, we will wish we had done something to open up the higher
: Herndon Elliott
: Amateur Radio:  KE4KUZ (147.505Mhz or 444.575Mhz)


That may not be true. The only freq bands that are in hot demand are the
VHF/UHF for business. The HF bands with there fickle propagation are not
in demand for business. The code is just a way to keep lids of HF where
old men talk about who died last week and the hip surgery. If you
followed the last Carabian huricane on 14.300 14.325 14.268 and 14.273
you would notice nobody handled trafic with cw it was all phone. You
would also notcie several LIDS with extra call signs. They know code but
are also obviosly senile.
--
                                             [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Pete Rossi)
Subject: FCC now working Sundays ??
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail]
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Organization: Loral Defense Systems-Eagan  -  Paoli, PA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:50:29 GMT
Lines: 21


Mon Sep 11 10:44:38 EDT 1995

I was snooping around the callbook server at  callsign.ualr.edu  this morning,
which is very up to date, trying to figure out what callsigns were being
recently issued and ran into the following entry :

N3WBI              PRESSMAN, ELLEN R                        LIC ISU 10-SEP-1995
TECH               4605 JASMINE DR                          LIC EXP 10-SEP-2005
DOB 27-NOV-1982    ROCKVILLE            MD  20853-1738      LST UPD 10-SEP-1995


Hmmm.. Sept 10..  Hmm that was yesterday!  Sunday!  So it looks like the
FCC is now working on Sundays...   Interesting..

---

Pete Rossi - WA3NNA
[e-mail]
Loral Defense Systems-Eagan    (formerly  Unisys Government Systems Group)
Valley Forge Engineering Center - Paoli, Pennsylvania


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim)
Subject: Re: Tortola Is. Hurricane
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:54:29 GMT
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Sender: [e-mail]

An intresting note, most all traffic was handled by HF phone except some
traffic that was handled by Email to 4U1UN.

NO CW


Anthony Tanoury ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Wanted: Any info on hurricane damage to Tortola Is. in the British
: Virgin Islands. Thanks Tony-N8FME
--
                                             [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael White)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to auto patch on repeater
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:32:01 -0500
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
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NNTP-Posting-Host: m14494-mac.mitre.org

BillH33047 wrote:

> Iam a new no code tech...

Congrats!

> I have been under the impression that
> to acess an autopatch you depress PTT then  hit star or pound release and
> wait for dial tone. so far no luck.  Thanks for any help!

Most groups that run a repeater require you to join the group in order to
receive autopatch access; there are very few open autopatches. Fees are
usually quite nominal; something like $20/year. Autopatch access is
generally more complicated than just hitting the # key; you are given an
access code you must use to bring up the patch. Check with the club that
runs your local repeater.

Mike, N4PDY

--
[e-mail]

My opinions are my own, not my employer's.


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:44 1995
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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Police Radar and 2m mobile
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 17:01:00 GMT
Organization: Microvest Limited, London
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Stephen Baker" writes:

> I got a speeding ticket last week,  the cop claimed to have clocked me at
> 52 in a 35 mph zone, while he was moving toward me.

I believe that all readings from a *moving radar* speed meter are highly
unreliable, even if the officer had good will and a pure heart.  I suggest
that you contact the manufacturer of your radar detector and get their
help in the bibliography and case law.  If it is a no-brand model, contact
the larger manufacturers for help (Cincinatti, Fox, Bell etc.)

> And does anyone have any other ideas of what might be going on here?

Maybe he needed some extra tickets to meet his quota?

Maybe it is revenge for the TVI he gets from his neighbor's CB linear?

Good luck in fighting this, and please don't tell the judge that you own a
radar detector. They are legal in MA, but the judge won't like it anyway.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mikhail Teterin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: European Radio Stations in USA
Date: 11 Sep 1995 17:24:23 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
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I'm looking for a radio (possibly, portable) which will be able to
get European AM stations. I've already tried Sony and Grundig por-
tables, but I can not listen to, say Voice of America (they broadcast
in Russian from Eastern Europe). Thanks in advance for any hints. Ple-
ase, reply be e-mail ([e-mail]). Sincerely,
        -mi
--
Θ ╨╒╙╘╪ ╬╔╦╘╧ ╬┼ ╒╩─ú╘ ╧┬╔╓┼╬╬┘═...
                -- Why is that 2 o'clock all the time?!
                -- It is a manometer!!!


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Landis - Systems & Network Mgr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Expert Witness
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 11 Sep 95 17:59:54 EST
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Distribution: world
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In article <1995Sep10.205756@clstac>, [e-mail] writes:
>
> I'm looking for a communications expert to gather data, document and then
> testify in court. I need someone to identify the frequency (bandwidth) my
> thoughts are broadcasted on. The transmission must be traced back to the
> repeaters and ultimatly the source.
>
> Testamony of the transmission and what was personally heard must be included
> and fees for your services will be paid at time of settlement in dirrect
> proportion to the settlement. I suspect if you do your job correctly the
> settlement (and your fees) will be substantial enough to travel from other
> states to perform your task.
>
> Contact Brad at [e-mail] or call [phone].


No need for an expert witness. Wrap yourself in aluminum foil before going
to court. The Faraday cage will will contain your aura, thus allowing the
judge to identify the thought frequency/bandwidth and evaluate the case.
Bring an Optoelectronics Scout along and insert into any convenient orifice.

Joe - AA3GN
--
Joe Landis - Systems and Network Manager - North American Drager - Telford, PA
[e-mail]                        ..speaking only for myself, of course..


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:47 1995
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From: Bill Schaff <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Danger - Fluke voltmeter malfunction
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This information has been floating around the 'net.  I don't know
anything about the accuracy of it, but I'm posting it as a 'better safe
than sorry' precaution.


SUBJECT:  FLUKE METER HAZARD AND PRODUCT RECALL NOTICE.  THE PROBLEM:
Under certain conditions, some models of FLUKE Digital Multimeters have
been found to display a reading of ZERO volts when the voltage being
tested is in excess of 400 volts dc. Using one of these meters can cause
someone to mistakenly believe that a high voltage source has been de-
energized.  THIS IS A POTENTIALLY LETHAL CONDITION.
    AFFECTED MODELS:  Fluke Series II; Model 21, 23, KIT-23, 70, 73, 75,
and 77, imprinted on case bottom with serial numbers between 60990000
and 63752000. NO OTHER FLUKE METERS ARE AFFECTED. If the serial number
is preceded by a 9, or followed by an R, this notice does not apply.
    DISPOSITION:  1. If you have one of the affected meters, take it out
of service immediately.  2. The meter must be sent to FLUKE for
modification (no charge). If you have one of these meters you must have
it fixed even if you do not usually test high voltage dc.  3. Send meter
to :  Fluke Technical Services, 1150 W. Euclid Ave, MS 70S Palatine IL
60067-7397.
    Enclose your name, company name, address, phone, Model Number,
Serial Number.  Do not return the test leads or manual.
    The phone number of the FLUKE Technical Support Group for further
questions is:  800-447-7940.


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: [HOW-TO] Turn off Burt, K1OIK
Date: 11 Sep 1995 18:21:42 GMT
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Using the newsread's 'KILL' option is a good solution: it doesn't
censor him, it just prevents you from having to read his contributions.

What we need is a KILL option that will also filter out all of the
followups from people who just can't sit on their hands.
        - Brian


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:49 1995
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Subject: How do you answer?
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 18:51:23 PST
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TH>Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:


TH>: [e-mail] wrote:

TH>: >the emergency aspect of amateur radio is the main reason i use when
TH>: >explaining why i like the hobby.  i tell people that i don't like
TH>: >sitting around feeling helpless and useless when a major disaster
TH>: >strikes.  i tell them that it's the most useful method i can think of
TH>: >that helps all the local organizations on a whole keep their act
TH>: >together and keep moving during an emergency.  that usually satisifies
TH>: >them.
TH>: >
TH>: >greg
TH>: >kd6ven

TH>: I see, just lie.
TH>: In a disaster, most times ham radio is a disaster.
TH>:
TH>: #================#=====================================================#
TH>: |  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
TH>: | Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
TH>: |    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
TH>: #================#=====================================================#
TH>: | [e-mail]                               [e-mail]  |
TH>: #======================================================================#

TH>: Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
TH>:          for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).



TH>   I imagine the folks in Oaklahoma and the hurricane prone states would
TH>disagree with that statement. Care to explain WHY ham radio is a disaster
TH>during disasters?

TH>Tom

i think that burt is just continuing his bit of angst and rage, now
turning it on anyone who disagrees with his narrow points of view.

i think burt needs to get a life.  the county services out here would
have been a disaster within themselves without ham radio.
get a life burt.
greg
kd6ven


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard J. Lemay)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is US ham license in Canada valid?
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:54:48 GMT
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[e-mail] (David C. Miller) wrote:

>You can go to customs *before* you leave and get a form for each peice of
>equipment you might carry with you. Just stop by the US customs office at any
>international airport, ship port or boarder crossing and ask for the form for
>personnel equipment to be taken overseas (out of country). You will need the
>equipment you want these forms for with you. I keep mine in my vehicle just
>incase I end up there on a weekend trip (I live about 3 hours south of the
>boarder.
>Good Luck
>73's
>- dave -

>In article <[e-mail]>,
>   "Bill Bowman Sr." <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, M Lang wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I'm wondering if I can use my ham radios while I visit
>>> Canada? Is the US ham license recognized in Canada? I'm
>>> not talking about communicating with Canadian hams but
>>> rather using ham radio equipments between our groups while
>>> we visit there.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any info.
>>>
>>>  - Minh -
>>>
>>>
>>Yes, just make sure you have a copy of your license.  It might also aid
>>you in having a copy of your receipts for your radio equipment with you
>>in case there is any questions with customs officials when you return.
>>
>>73 < Bill VE4UB
>>
>> *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-*
>>  Bill Bowman Sr.     _\|/_  [phone] fax [phone] bbs 785-8518
>>  [e-mail] (o o)  Voice Mail 482-5942 or Winnipeg 475-9740
>> *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-oOO-(_)-OOo-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-*
>>
>>

>+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
>|         David C. Miller - KB7ZJY - Renton, WA USA                 |
>|  Home - [e-mail] - Work - [e-mail]        |
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I know US hams often operate while in Canada and I have operated while
in the US but I would prefer to see a ruling from Industry Canada on
this.  Recently, we have had the visit of a Polish ham who wanted to
operate our club station.  Our club station manager called the
licensing authority and they insisted that the Polish amateur be
subjected to a knowlege of canadian regulations exam by our club
manager who is also a delegated examiner (something like the VEs).

In reading the regulations, I saw no indication that a special
treatement should be given to US amateurs.  USA and Poland are two
countries we have reciprocal agreements with.

I personally have decided that I would not operate in the USA before I
have checked with the licensing authority there and I think it would
be safer to do so here.

73 de Richard  -  ve3spd




From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: garage door openers
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 19:34:43 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (JOHN MINGER) wrote:
>
>From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
>Subject: Re: garage door openers
>Date: 9 Sep 1995 03:04:34 GMT
>Message-ID: <42r082$[e-mail]>
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Jeffrey D. Angus <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail]
>writes:
>>
<snip>
>>  'spose if you didn't mind attracting too much attention to yourself by
>>  sitting across the street for a few hours (days) and wanted to
reprogram
>>  a door opener, you'd finally get it right.
>>
>Saw a piece on the local TV news recently about "code grabbers" used by
>thieves.  They just park near your house and wait until you open the
>door.  The code grabber "grabs" the digital information and can then
>open the door for them on the first try.  Heck, you might be able to
>approximate that with a small radio and tape recorder. (?)
>

This is the new 'code grabber' technology.  I have also read of low-tech
'code grabbers' who find a car parked in the street or driveway, get inside
the car because the doors are unlocked (or break in), then use the owner's
garage door opener remote to open the garage door, allowing them to
burglarize the house.  Not glamorous, but effective.  Because
pre-meditation and special hardware are not required, this method is likely
to be in much more common use, at least by the common criminals.  Realize
that the opener remotes are equivalent to your house keys, and be careful
where you leave them.

The present-generation receivers likely have logic to complicate an
exhaustive code search by shutting themselves down for a period of time
after a few wrong codes are received.  One possible defense to the 'code
grabber' could be a two-way system where the garage opener challenges the
transmitter with a random number, which is encrypted with the secret code
(hopefully all of these much more than 12 bits) and sent back.  Even if
both parts of this transaction are monitored, the secret code cannot be
deduced, and the information gathered is useful only if the garage sends
exactly the same challenge again when the unauthorized person is trying to
open the door.  If part of the secret code has to be entered by the
homeowner at each use, then even if the owner's transmitter were stolen it
couldn't be used immediately to open the door.  Having to enter a code
every time would be inconvenient, and any sort of two-way system is
naturally going to be somewhat more expensive than a one-way one.

Another approach would be to make the garage door opener work like a
time-lock, allowing opening by remote control only at certain times of day.
 (At other times, it would be necessary to use a key).  This is likely to
be acceptable only in rather limited circumstances.

>They would make it foolproof if fools weren't so ingenious.

Like everything else, users of this technology need to be aware of its
loopholes and limitations, including how it can be exploited for criminal
purposes and what defenses are available.

-Mike KD4QDM



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Stickler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need info on President 10m all mode tranciever
Date: 11 Sep 1995 19:35:07 GMT
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I just picked up a President 2150 10m all mode transceiver at a hamfest
-- sans manual -- and am trying to either locate a manual that I can
copy, or get the phone number/address of the manufacturer (if they are
still around...)

Also, does anyone know how to adjust the contrast on an LCD display?
I have the rig mounted sideways on the hump of my truck so that I'm
viewing the display at about 45 degrees below the rig, and the readout
is almost invisible at that angle. The contrast appears to be set for
a viewing angle of 20-40 degrees _above_ the rig.

Any help with the above two items will be greatly appreciated...

Regards,

==============================================================================
  Patrick Stickler * Orlando, Florida U.S.A. * KC4YYY * [e-mail]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Don't put off for tomorrow what you can do today; because if you enjoy it
  today, you can do it again tomorrow...
==============================================================================





From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
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In article <9a7cb$[e-mail]>,

>When I took mine in '69 I didn't have to send.  The assumption was twofold
>(and quite valid).  1.  If you could receive you could send.  2.  If
>assumption 1 wasn't valid, the hams would let you know.

False assumption. On the maritime frequency of 500 kHz there was a
shipboard op with the worst fist known to mankind. I was sure he was
sending with his foot. Any time he call my shore station I'd always
try to pass him off to a West Coast station, but they'd try to pass
him off to someone else. No one wanted to take his traffic, for no one
could understand him. Yet, if I cranked my bug up to say, 30wpm he
had no trouble understanding me. Thus, being able to understand code
is certainly no guarantee one can send. And letting the sender know
he has a bad fist is useless if he doesn't make any attempt to change.

73 from Hawaii,
Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:56 1995
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From: Coen Waasdorp <[e-mail]>
Subject: Spelling of call signs, which way to go?
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Hi all,

I returned a few weeks ago to the hobby of ham-radio and noticed that
the bands did get more busy than they were around twenty years ago.

More crowded bands means more QRM, so, consequently a bit more difficult
to catch the call-sign in voice mode.

The spelling alphabet, I assume, was created to have a way to, among
others, assist in the correct identification of the call sign.

I would expect, that by repeating the spelling of one's call sign, the
objective is to have this call sign identified in a quick and positive
manner.

However, I find that it's perhaps more difficult to identify the station
by the spelling methods used by a lot of ham-operators, Why?

These respective operators use, preferably (it seems) a least three to
four different spelling alphabet's. E.g. (the call sign is imaginary):

    Here is station AB0CDE,
    Alpha Bravo Zero Charly Delta Echo,
    Anthony Bernard Nought Charlotte Dipole Edward
    America Brazil O Cyber Don Emanuelle

So, instead of trying to transmit the correct call sign by repeating the
same spelling (which would result in a easier way to positively identify
the station), there is even more confusion all around.

Am I alone in this, or do others have the same experience and if so, how
could be go about.

p.s. When I was a merchant marine radio operator, the international
agreed spelling method was used by every one. So "A = Alpha" was used by
the Dutch, French, Chinese, Japanese, Americans, Brazilians etc etc.

73's


--
Coen Waasdorp
PA0COE


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Larson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: TOWER VICTORY IN N.Y.
Date: 11 Sep 1995 20:19:54 GMT
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In article <42um3o$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ron Goldstein) writes:

>     We asked our Hudson Division director and vice-director
>for help with this. I personally called the vice-director at
>least 5 times, but we never received a return phone call from
>either one of them--A BIG DISAPPOINTMENT.


  This is about the same as we had in Menlo Park, Calif. about 10 years
ago.  ARRL was *no help* at all with fighting the local antenna ordinance.

  The only response from ARRL was the local EC claiming the the very strict
limits passed by the city were no problem -- since they allowed all existing
antennas as legitimate.


        Alan


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Ellington)
Subject: Re: European Radio Stations in USA
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Do you mean you want to recieve European AM stations on our BC band?
That's not possible with any radio from here.


Mikhail Teterin ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I'm looking for a radio (possibly, portable) which will be able to
: get European AM stations. I've already tried Sony and Grundig por-
: tables, but I can not listen to, say Voice of America (they broadcast
: in Russian from Eastern Europe). Thanks in advance for any hints. Ple-
: ase, reply be e-mail ([e-mail]). Sincerely,
:       -mi
: --
: Θ ╨╒╙╘╪ ╬╔╦╘╧ ╬┼ ╒╩─ú╘ ╧┬╔╓┼╬╬┘═...
:               -- Why is that 2 o'clock all the time?!
:               -- It is a manometer!!!
--
  Steve
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Subject: Re: How do you answer?
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[e-mail] (Clint Bradford) sed:

:>Subject: Re: How do you answer?

:>>>In a disaster, most times ham radio is a disaster.

:>Sorry Amateur Radio operations aren't more respected and organized in
:>your neck of the woods.

:>Out here in the nation's most populous state, Amateur Radio operations
:>are well-organized, respected, and recognized as useful - as
:>demonstrated during recent disasters.

It's during the non-disasterous times that amateur radio is a disaster in the
nation's most populous state. (where I was born and raised BTW) <grin>

------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Jim Martin, WK1V              | When I go, I want to go just like my  |
|Lowell, Massachusetts         | grandfather...in his sleep...not like |
|USAF (Ret)ained               | the screaming passengers in the back  |
|ex: KA5MWD/N1CLS/KB1LW/HL9ZF  | seat of the car he was driving.       |
------------------------------------------------------------------------
 My opinion (if given) is my own and does not intentionally reflect the
 policy of others in any way, shape, or form.



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:30:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Sandy Lynch)
Subject: Re: Burt Fisher's Ramblings
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J. Duffy Beischel ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Can anyone tell me what Burt Fisher's ramblings have to do with ham
: radio?

: Maybe we need another newsgroup to handle this stuff such as
: rec.radio.jerks.ramblings.nothing.todo.with.ham.radio

Nahhhhh.... just alt.musings.Burt and/or alt.musings.K1OIK

That way he has a place to go and be surrounded by his friends ....
.... hmmmmmm..... he can probably do the same thing in an empty
room, too.  :-)

Cheers
Sandy



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:31:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ham Stores in Phoenix, AZ?
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 21:45:20 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Herb Rosenberg) wrote:
>I would apprecaite hearing about what ham radio stores are located in the
>Phoenix, Arizona area.  I know that HRO has a store there, but I am also
>interested in what other full service ham stores there might be there.
>
>I am going to Phoenix the end of this week, and I am interested in
>visiting them.
That's all there is in Phoenix...
73,
Len, KB7LPW
>
>Thanks and 73's/
>
>Herb - KG6OK
>
>

Len Winkler, KB7LPW                           [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                   [e-mail]
Phoenix, Az. 85068-9219
Ham Radio & More Show info at:
http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc/ham-more.html
The show airs LIVE at 6:00pm ET, 2200utc, Sundays on the Talk
America Radio Network in over 55 cities.
The show also airs on WWCR shortwave, 7.435mhz, tape delayed,
 Monday at midnight ET (0400utc), and again at 5:00am ET (0900utc), and
Saturdays at noon ET (1600utc) on 12.160.






From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:31:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Contest guru, Larry Pace, N7DD on talk show
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 21:57:11 GMT
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Larry Pace, N7DD, will be the guest this Sunday, 9/17/95, on the Ham Radio &
More Show. Larry has all the tricks of how to win the "big ones" and he'll
share MOST of them with us this Sunday; so tune in!
73,
Len, KB7LPW

Len Winkler, KB7LPW                           [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                   [e-mail]
Phoenix, Az. 85068-9219
Ham Radio & More Show info at:
http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc/ham-more.html
The show airs LIVE at 6:00pm ET, 2200utc, Sundays on the Talk
America Radio Network in over 55 cities.
The show also airs on WWCR shortwave, 7.435mhz, tape delayed,
 Monday at midnight ET (0400utc), and again at 5:00am ET (0900utc), and
Saturdays at noon ET (1600utc) on 12.160.






From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:31:02 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: [HOW-TO] Turn off Burt, K1OIK
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[e-mail] (Brian Kantor) wrote:

>What we need is a KILL option that will also filter out all of the
>followups from people who just can't sit on their hands.
>       - Brian

Like you no doubt did.
How do you spell hippocrit?


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[e-mail] (Sandy Lynch) wrote:

>Nahhhhh.... just alt.musings.Burt and/or alt.musings.K1OIK
>
>That way he has a place to go and be surrounded by his friends ....
>.... hmmmmmm..... he can probably do the same thing in an empty
>room, too.  :-)
>
>Cheers
>Sandy


Please do not judge me based on your love life.
Are you very fat?


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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:31:04 1995
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From: Stephan Rashkin <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Help - Ham-stores in Philadelphia ??
Date: 11 Sep 1995 23:23:07 GMT
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[e-mail] (Knut Terje Ulvund) wrote:
>
> CQ CQ , calling hams in or nearby Philadelphia, PA.
>
> My name is Terje, Call-sign LA8RIA.
> I am going to visit Philadelphia between Fri 15. sep. 95
> and Sat. 23. sep. 95.
> During this week I am interested in visiting one or more
> ham-stores to pick up an all mode 2m or 2m/70cm transceiver.
>
> Are there anyone out there who can help me out locating ham-stores
> in or nearby the City.
>
> I will attend the International Oracle User Week at the
> Pennsylvania Convention Center.
>
> Answers are preferrably recieved by mail to :
> [e-mail]
>
> Many thanks in advance !!
>
> 73's de Terje
> --
> +-----------------------------------------------+
> !  Knut Terje Ulvund                            !
> !  Headquarters - Defense Command Norway        !
> !  Email      : [e-mail]                !
> !  Tel. job   : ([phone]               !
> !  Tel. priv  : ([phone]               !
> !  Packet-BBS : LA8RIA@LA4O                     !
> !                                               !
> ! 'f U cnt rd ths, U'r nt a prgrmr !            !
> +-----------------------------------------------+


Also reminded by wn2k about HRO in Delaware..(that's where I do
my shopping)..Bob is very helpful & patient) it's not exactly that
close to Phila., but worth the trip if you have the transportation
and time

Steve, WA2NHZ

ps Bob do I get a discount off Icom 706 now?




From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:31:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Edward H. Currie )
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Subject: Re: Wayne Green
Date: 12 Sep 1995 00:55:57 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
writes:
>
>In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>
>>He was doing semi-automated digital message forwarding in the 40s.
>>He pushed FM repeaters before most hams knew anything about VHF.
>
>>He pioneered mountaintopping at microwave. And he's pushed ATV,
>>foxhunting, and other activities we take for granted today.
>
>There is a difference between taking credit for those things, and
actually doing them.  He didn't really spend that much time at any of
those hobbies. He did allow others to publish their ideas.  He is kind
of wishy-washy on the facts, but basically he did participate in noted
events, but was unable to become a regular of any of them.  He probably
spent 2 hours puting up his NYC link on VHF he always talks about, but
then 45 years bragging about it.  I just hate to think how many people
he got to write about their projects, who he never paid.  If I was
going to write for 73, I'd demand that their offer be a post dated
check, or a timed deposit in any bank except one in MA or VT.
Otherwise I fear you will be only donating a gift.
>


Wayne Green has made an impact in a great many areas and continues to
do so which is lot more than can be said for this thread.

Damming with faint praise is hardly the stuff of worthwhile dialog ...



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 12 11:31:07 1995
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From: Al Bolton <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: European Radio Stations in USA
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 07:17:56 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Steve Ellington" writes:
> Do you mean you want to recieve European AM stations on our BC band?
> That's not possible with any radio from here.
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well that simply isn't true! You can pick up medium wave signals from Europe in
the US if you have a good selective receiver and preferably a loop antenna.
I have personally logged many European stations on medium and long wave when I
was over visiting my dad in Connecticut last Fall. You have to listen when
there is darkness over Europe and you need patience. Signals are quite
often weak and there is a problem of heterodynes as the European band on
medium wave uses 9kHz spacing and the USA uses 10kHz.

If you use short wave it is very easy to pick up European stations, including
Radio Liberty and VOA from their various tx sites in Europe.

I'll Email Mikhail to help him.

ORIGINAL POSTING>
> Mikhail Teterin ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : I'm looking for a radio (possibly, portable) which will be able to
> : get European AM stations. I've already tried Sony and Grundig por-
> : tables, but I can not listen to, say Voice of America (they broadcast
> : in Russian from Eastern Europe). Thanks in advance for any hints. Ple-
> : ase, reply be e-mail ([e-mail]). Sincerely,
> :       -mi
> : --
> :      ...
> :               -- Why is that 2 o'clock all the time?!
> :               -- It is a manometer!!!
> --
>   Steve
> [e-mail]
>
>
>

--
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OK8VSQ/OM/G4VSQ.
Caversham, UK.
G-QRP 8741.
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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Eversoll)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Police Radar and 2M Mobile
Date: 13 Sep 1995 10:07:52 -0400
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Martin T. Vinson) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>says...
>>
>>I got a speeding ticket last week.....
>
>...
>officer observes visually....In court, the officer will simply say that
>he observed you driving in excess of the speed limit and upon observing
>the radar confirmed that your ground speed was 52 mph....
>...

This statement, as far as it goes, (and this is no flame, Martin) is correct.
But to the defendants defense, I do not believe that many RADAR certified
police officers are aware of cosine error inherent in microwave devices.  I am
curious:  since Martin teaches RADAR, do you teach officers what this is and
what the effect will be on speed readings?

Of course, Stephen will go to court (or not as he sees fit) and his view of the
events will largely be ignored because he is not a sworn law enforcement
officer.  But he currently doubts the validity of this speed reading (I
assume his honesty) but is also not aware of cosine error.  So there may be
a plausible explanation for the RADAR reading simply being incorrect.

>P.S. He had to measure your speed while you were moving towards you as the
>radar wont measure speeds of vehicles moving away from the patrol vehicle.

Martin meant to clarify this statement and say that the officer had to measure
the target speed as the two vehicles were approaching one another
(both moving).  It is true that when both vehicles are moving in the same
direction, RADAR cannot measure the absolute speed of the target vehicle.
RADAR will, however, measure the speed (relative to ground) of the vehicle in
which it is installed.  (This is basic "clocking" using RADAR instead of the
calibrated speedometer -- but it counts as a "RADAR" citation.)  Obviously,
RADAR works in any direction in which it's pointed if the equipped vehicle
is sitting still.  Target approach vector is a factor.

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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: code - yes
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <42q767$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (gregory brown) writes:
>Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>: I think 2 meters can be
>: instructive here. As crowding has increased, licensees have moved
>: to other bands, relieving the pressure. This tendency to move
>: away from crowds is somewhat universal, and would apply at HF
>: as well.
>
>Gary, I don't buy into that particular argument for keeping code (to
>keep down the crowding on HF) so I won't get into it.  There are far
>better reasons.  However...propagation varies significantly from
>one HF band to another.  If 20 Meters is the optimum band for your
>communications needs, and it is wall-to-wall with stations (as it
>often is), pray tell where do you propose one move to?

One could switch to 17 meters, or 40 meters, or even 160 meters.
Few amateurs have an actual time critical need to work a particular
station at a particular location at a particular time. Most are content
to talk to someone else, anyone else, or to talk to a particular person
at a different time. Those who do have those time critical needs are
typically net operators, or Dxers. Now Dxers already illustrate my
point. They drive other operators to other bands *now* when they burn
holes in the spectrum with their pileups. They'd just be driving *more*
operators to alternate bands if there were more HF operators. As for
net operators, alternates such as digital networks, or moving to that
alternate 20 meters, a Phase III satellite transponder, are options
open to many of them. The rest will just have new recruits in their
daily jamming contest with K1MAN.

The only person that might be adversely impacted would be old
Joe out in Washington state who keeps a 20 meter sked with old Bill
down in the Florida rest home every day so they can compare their
latest medical problems. He'll be hurt, and that's a shame. But
if they can stay awake a while later, they can use 40 or 75 meters
for their daily talks. Of course Sprint could meet their needs at
10 cents a minute, which would be less than the amortized cost of
their equipment for the remainder of their lives, but that's hard
headed economics and not nostalgic magic of radio talking. (I
could suggest they could just listen to old tapes of their
conversations since new elements rarely intrude, but that would
be unkind.)

>You also decry the methods and attitudes of American DX'ers and
>contesters for having what you perceive as a terrible negative
>effect on international goodwill.  It seems that increasing the US HF
>ham population a factor of 3 or 4 would make that condition many times
>worse.  But then I suppose the foreign hams could just move down to
>the Morse sub-bands to escape the din...since at least THEY would
>still have the technical ability and operator skill to do so.

First of all, what makes you think all the new amateurs will be
rabid Dxers? My hope would be that most of them wouldn't be paper
chasers. And second, I don't buy into the idea that generating
Morse requires any particular technical ability beyond that needed
to generate any other RF emission. In fact I'd suggest the reverse
would be true to a slight extent. Morse operators may need more
wetware conditioning to operate their mode, but that has nothing
to do with technical ability. And I'd note that the foreign phone
subbands are offset from the US phone subbands *now*, so that they
can escape some of the hounding. That wouldn't change.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Calling pagers with autopatch?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <435fvj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>   [e-mail] (Jerry Wang) writes:
>>
>>  Another ham told me the other day that calling a pager using autopatch is
>>  illegal.  Is this true?  Some of my ham buddies carry pagers, and
>>  sometimes I page them with the frequency that I want to talk to them on if
>>  I can't find them on a repeater, or if their radio is off.
>>  Jerry Wang (KE6UUX)
>
>Sure sounds like a one way auxillary control transmission to me.  Might be
>restricted to 70cm and above.  One thing for sure, it would fall under one
>way transmission rules I believe.
>
>Michael R.  W0KIE

No, calling a pager access number via autopatch isn't a one way
transmission. The pager access system responds with prompts, so
the communications is two way, and, of course, third party since
it is via an amateur repeater station. The party doesn't have to
be a human being. This is no different than sending 3rd party
traffic via an APLINK semi-auto BBS as far as one-way transmission
is concerned, and that's even allowed on HF.

It may be inappropriate business use, depending on the purpose of
the page, but it is no different in principle from any other autopatch
call. The amateur part of the system, the only part covered by Part 97,
is just an access to the public telephone network. Whether a person,
an answering machine, or a pager access computer answers the phone
doesn't make any difference. In fact, if the phone network gives
a busy, it's still third party traffic, and not a one way transmission,
because there *is* a response and information is passed.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Police Radar and 2m mobile
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <435jne$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Martin T. Vinson) writes:
>
>P.S. He had to measure your speed while you were moving towards you as the
>radar wont measure speeds of vehicles moving away from the patrol vehicle.

How would it know? Suppose the patrol car is moving at 25 MPH, and
the target vehicle is moving away from the patrol vehicle at 55 MPH,
wouldn't the radar indicate a relative speed of 30 MPH for the target?
Or if it attempts to calculate ground speed, wouldn't it claim a speed
of 5 MPH for the target vehicle? That's assuming the radar is setup
to only calculate the approach vector. Some units that I've seen have
a "toward/away" switch that allows ground speed calculations in either
situation.

As far as I know, and that's based on older radar units I own, the
receiver can't distinguish whether the return is dopplered up or
down from the transmitted signal. Only the difference in frequency
is available for the speed calculation. So, how would it know?

Oh, and as PS, police have been known to lock in a speed on their
units, and leave it that way all day, writing ticket after ticket
on the same reading. They've also been known to wave a speed gun
past a building with lots of fluorescent lights (like a supermarket)
and get the speed they want locked into the gun, from reflections
from the mercury vapor fluctuations in the 60 Hz field. They can
then use that to write a ticket.

You want your lawyer to check the tickets written by the officer
around the time you were ticketed to look for suspicious patterns
in the readings. You also want to check when the unit was calibrated.
Both of these should be parts of the discovery process prior to
trial, as well as a test of the suspect unit's calibration done
with your 2 meter transmitter active.

And you *should* have asked the officer to do a field calibration
in your presence when he stopped you. If nothing else, that prevents
him from using the locked in reading on another poor sucker later
in the day. In this State, you have the option of surrendering your
license to the officer in lieu of bond, or requiring him to escort
you back to the courthouse where you post cash bond. I always do
the latter since it takes the officer off the road for at least
an hour, and screws up their revenue enhancement effort.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:14 1995
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Subject: CCT Brd Specialist ???
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From: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 19:55:27 EST
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Anyone have a current address and number for
Circuit Board Specialists ??

Thanks...

Hugh Duff  VA3TO  Toronto


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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Bushong)
Subject: Re: Police Radar and 2m mobile
Organization: Wang Labs, Billerica MA, USA
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 23:10:30 GMT
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In article <435jne$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>At least that is the way they are supposed to teach the officers...I know,
>I am a police radar instructor....
>
>P.S. He had to measure your speed while you were moving towards you as the
>radar wont measure speeds of vehicles moving away from the patrol vehicle.

Bzzzzzt.  Wrong.

Actually, a false generalization.  So-called "moving radar" has this
limitation, but the hand-held guns, for example, do not have this peculiarity.

I know, I'm a ham operator.

Dave



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
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Brian Carling <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Craig wrote:
>TC>Tone Deaf?  I learned code punching it out on a bicycle horn.  Remember
>TC>those things - they squawk like a parrot.  Not a nice "DC tone."  Lots of
>TC>--Craig (KW9R)

>DC tone? This sounds like some of the hams I hear on 80 metres SSB
>talking about having 1000 watts "DC OUTPUT" from their linear amplifier.
>If it was REALLY only DC output, no one would hear them!

Now Brian, don't be so harsh. The T in the RST system reads as follows:

1 - 60-cycle AC or less, very rough and broad.
2 - Very rough AC, very harsh and broad.
3 - Rough AC tone, rectified buy filtered.
4 - Rough note, some trace of filtering.
5 - Filtered rectified  AC but strongly ripple modulated.
6 - Filtered tone, definite trace of ripple modulation.
7 - Near pure tone, trace of ripple modulation.
8 - Near perfect tone, slight trace of modulation.
9 - Perfect tone, no trace  of ripple  or modulation of any kind.

Note that Craig set off the "DC tone" with "". Lack of AC
could be phrased as a "DC" note. We would all know what
the speaker meant.

My tone on 500 kHz CW was always 1. I kept the xmtr in the A2 mode.
Pretty sounding tones several kHz either side of the channel! 10 kW
A2 sure got everyone's attention in the Pacific.

Jeff NH6IL (ex Coast Guard CW operator)


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for a radio
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This is going to require FCC type acceptance.
Part of type acceptance includes you not being able to reprogram the
frequencies.
At this point then, you will have to show proper authorization to
transmit on any/all of the various channels before the (FCC licensee
that will set up the frequencies) tech will set them.
Considering the usual intra-agency infighting, that should be quite
an accomplishment in itself.
Use your work issue HT on the channel(s) you're assigned, and buy
something cheap like the Kenwood TH-22 and modify it for out of band
(i.e., out of the amateur bands) operation and hope you don't get
hauled across the carpet too roughly the first time you use it.

Jeff

In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950914093235.8411B-100000@gsu> you write:

  >
  > I am a Paramedic and am looking for a portable radio for personal use.
  > It must be programmable transmit/receive for frequencies that I am
  > interested in(police, fire, ems, hospital).  These are all VHF freqs and
  > must be able to handle programming of PL's for each freq.  I would like
  > at least 30 channels that can be scanned.
  >
  > I have seen a very nice Kenwood that someone told me was around $700.
  > Any recommendations?  Please email me if you don't mind.  Thanks...
  >
  > --
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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:18 1995
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Anyone have a current address and number for
Circuit Board Specialists ??

Thanks...

Hugh Duff  VA3TO  Toronto


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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:19 1995
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In article <[e-mail]> Graham Sorenson <[e-mail]> writes:
>...What is the easiest windows or dos or Mac software for this
>job and its location on the net??

Check out the ARRL satellite handbook; it is really good.  But there are
some math errors in places.  They will be obvious when you run
the program however.

This should do what you want though:

100     '
105     ' gc.bas
110     '
115     ' Great Circle.  This program is used to determine bearing
120     ' and range to a station given the latitude and longitude
125     ' of both stations.
130     '
135     ' Ver 1.02 Public Domain (p) November 1989 By S. R. Sampson, N5OWK
145     '
150     ' Ref: Air Force Manual 51-40, "Air Navigation", 1 February 1987
155     '
160     RADIAN = (180 / 3.14159)
165     GOTO 215
170     '
175     T = INT(V1) : V1 = V1 - T : V1 = V1 / .6 : V1 = (T + V1)
180     RETURN
185     '
190     ACOS = -ATN(TMP / SQR(1 - TMP * TMP)) + 1.570796
195     RETURN
200     '
205     ' Get the user data
210     '
215     PRINT "East Longitudes and South Latitudes are negative" : PRINT
220     PRINT
225     INPUT "Latitude of your QTH [+-]dd.mm : ", V1
230     GOSUB 175
235     IF V1 > 90 OR V1 < -90 THEN 225
240     L1 = V1
245     INPUT "Longitude of your QTH [+-]ddd.mm : ", V1
250     GOSUB 175
255     IF V1 > 180 OR V1 < -180 THEN 245
260     A1 = V1
265     PRINT
270     INPUT "Latitude of destination [+-]dd.mm : ", V1
275     GOSUB 175
280     IF V1 > 90 OR V1 < -90 THEN 270
285     L2 = V1
290     INPUT "Longitude of destination [+-]ddd.mm : ", V1
295     GOSUB 175
300     IF V1 > 180 OR V1 < -180 THEN 290
305     A2 = V1
310     '
315     ' Compute the Bearing and Range, From the Formula in Chapter 23
320     '
325     DELTA = A2 - A1
330     '
335     ' Convert variables to Radians
340     '
345     L1 = L1 / RADIAN
350     A1 = A1 / RADIAN
355     L2 = L2 / RADIAN
360     DELTA = DELTA / RADIAN
365     TMP = (SIN(L1) * SIN(L2)) + (COS(L1) * COS(L2) * COS(DELTA))
370     GOSUB 190
375     DIST = ACOS
380     RANGE = 60 * (DIST * RADIAN)
385     TMP = (SIN(L2) - (SIN(L1) * COS(DIST))) / (SIN(DIST) * COS(L1))
390     GOSUB 190
395     BEARING = ACOS * RADIAN
400     IF DELTA > 0 THEN BEARING = 360 - BEARING
405     '
410     ' Computations complete, show answer
415     '
420     PRINT
425     PRINT "Bearing is "; BEARING; " Degrees for "; RANGE; " Nautical Miles"
430     PRINT
435 END

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SB DX @ ARL $ARLD048
ARLD048 DX news

ZCZC AE24
QST de W1AW
DX Bulletin 48  ARLD048
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  September 14, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB DX ARL ARLD048
ARLD048 DX news

This week's bulletin was made possible with info provided by Joe,
NJ1Q, Frank, AH0W/OH2LVG, Jari OH2BU/OH7RF, Chris, G4BUE, Johnny,
LA5IIA, Roger, LA4GHA, and Contest Corral from QST.  Thanks to all.

BENIN.  LA-DX Group members LA9IY, LA4GHA and LA5IIA will be on the
air September 16 to 26.  The call sign expected to be used during
this DXpedition is TY8G.  Besides HF, OSCAR 13 mode B will be
featured.  For CW check 1827, 3515, 7015, 10115, 14005, 18075, 21005
24895 and 28005 kHz.  On SSB try 1841, 3755, 7055, 14145, 18145,
21185, 24945 and 28455 kHz.  RTTY will be mostly on 14085 kHz.
Satellite operation will be on 145.895 MHz, listening up.  QSL via
LA8G, PO Box 5626, N-7002 Tveita, N-0617 Oslo, Norway.

MV ISLAND.  After a three and a half year long hiatus, MV Island
returns to the air with the help of ops OH1KAG, OH2BU, OH3KCB,
OH3MEP, OH3MMF, RA3AUU, RU3FM, RV6HY and RA3AUM.  The DXpedition
will start September 21 through Monday the 25th and feature
all-bands/modes, 4 stations, and 24 hours/day operating.  Listen for
the call signs R1MVI and OH2BU/MVI.  An entry in the CQ WW RTTY
Contest is planned.  The team will use full size verticals on 160
and 80 meters.  For CW check 1831, 3501, 7001, 10101, 14025, 18069,
21025, 24891 and 28025 kHz.  On SSB try 1845, 3795, 7045, 14195,
14295, 18145, 21295, 24945 and 28495 kHz.  RTTY should be on 14084,
18104, 21084 and 28084 kHz.  QSL via OH2BU.

TUNISIA, 3V.  YT1AD will sign 3V5A in both CQ SSB and CW Contests.

VIETNAM, 3W.  Rolf, SM5MX, has returned to Hanoi and will be QRV as
XV7SW again.  QSLs for his previous operation are being processed
and mailed.  Fellow Swede Torsten, home call not supplied, is also
QRV as XV7TH.  And Franz, DF5GF, is licensed to operate only on
14016 and 14295 kHz as 3W6GM.

MADAGASCAR, 5R.  Ben, 5R8DS reports that his XYL Marian, 5R8DY, has
returned to the Netherlands, but he will be QRV until November 1
when his contract with Radio Netherlands ends.

MALDIVES, 8Q.  JA0BYS and JA9PRJ will sign 8Q7BY and 8Q7RJ from
September 26 to 30.  QSL via home calls.

MALTA, 9H.  9H3BKS plans to be QRV October 21 and 22 with CW and SSB
on all bands, including VHF and UHF.  QSL via 9H1FG.

OMAN, A4.  Tony, G4KLF, will sign A45ZN over the next two years.  He
will also operate from club station A47RS on CW, SSB, RTTY, AmTOR
and packet.  QSL via Tony Selmes, PO Box 981, Muscat, Sultanate of
Oman.

FERNANDO DE NORONHA, PY0F.  AH0W and WA7LNW are planning a
multi-single entry in the SAC SSB Contest September 23 and 24.

EGYPT, SU.  Mohamed, SU2MT, will be on the low bands this Fall and
is looking for skeds on 160 meters.

MARSHALL ISLANDS, V7.  V7/AL7EL plans to be active October 18 to 25
with an emphasis on the low and WARC bands.  QSL via his home call.

FALKLAND ISLANDS, VP8.  Mark, VP8CSA, aka ZB0T, will be QRV for 5
months.  QSL via DL1SDN.

ASCENSION ISLAND, ZD8.  Jim, N6TR will sign ZD8Z September 29 to
October 8.  Check 33 kHz up from the band edge for his CW, as well
as 21150 kHz.  QSL via VE3HO.

EASTER AND SyG ISLANDS.  XR0Y and XR0Z have been very active.
Remember that DXpedition members are collecting signal report data
for propagation studies.  Honest signal reports are requested.  QSL
both via WA3HUP.

AZORES, CU.  Matthias, DL3KUD, will sign CU2/DL3KUD October 3 to 17
with an all band CW effort.  QSL via DL3KUD.

SABLE ISLAND, CY0.  VE1CBK and company will be QRV September 30 to
October 10.

KERGUELEN ISLANDS, FT8X.  Jean Jacques, FB1LYF, aka J28CW, will
start a one year operation in November as FT5XL.  He will operate
all bands, CW, SSB, RTTY and RS-12.  QSL via F5NZO.

THAILAND, HS.  HS0AC is no longer in operation from the Bangkok
Science Museum.  The license has been transferred to the recently
refurbished HS0A at the Asian Institute of Technology.  Listen for
HS50A in the CQ WW contests.  Some Thai operators will sign HS7AS in
these contests.

JAN MAYEN, JX.  LA4CJA and LA3EX will sign JX4CJA and JX3EX
September 28 through April 15.  They will be on 80 through 10 meter
CW and SSB.

JORDAN, JY.  Bob, WB9YXY, will be active October 3 to 20 as JY8XY on
CW and SSB.  QSL via his home call.

QSL NEWS.  The ARRL Outgoing QSL Service can now forward cards to
Uganda, 5X, and Mali, TZ.

THIS WEEKEND ON THE RADIO.  SHF enthusiasts will want to check out
the ARRL 10-GHz Cumulative Contest.  Event specifics are on page 113
in July QST.  HF types can get in on the North American Sprint and
Scandinavian Activity Day.  For more info on these two events, see
page 127 in September QST.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:22 1995
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Anyone have a current address and number for
Circuit Board Specialists ??

Thanks...

Hugh Duff  VA3TO  Toronto


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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 14/2330Z SEPTEMBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 14 SEPTEMBER AND FORECAST FOR 15 SEPTEMBER - 17 SEPTEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  69/3

GOES satellite data for 13 Sep
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   2.4E+06
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 8.3E+08 (high)
       X-ray background: A1.0
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             15 Sep             16 Sep             17 Sep
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 15 Sep:  70/5

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 13 Sep
    Learmonth        7  3112 2222
    Fredericksburg   5                          16
    Planetary       10                          19

Observed Kp for 13 Sep: 3445 3223
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
15 Sep    10    Quiet to unsettled
16 Sep    10    Quiet to unsettled
17 Sep    10    Quiet to unsettled
COMMENT: IPS Geomagnetic Warning 22 was issued on 13 September and is
current for interval  15-16 September.
-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
14 Sep      normal         fair-normal    fair-normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
15 Sep      normal         normal-fair    normal-fair
16 Sep      normal         normal         normal
17 Sep      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
14 Sep     1    near to 15% below predicted monthly values, with
spread F observed 16-21UT.

Predicted Monthly T index for September: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
15 Sep     5    Near to 10% below predicted monthly values.
16 Sep     5    Near to 10% below predicted monthly values.
17 Sep    10    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: IPS HF Communications Warning 23 was issued on 13 September
and is current for interval  15-16 September.
Observed MUFs at:
Darwin: near to 15% below predicted monthly values.
Townsville: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart: near to 15% below predicted monthly values.

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To:   Emergency Management Agencies via Amateur Radio
Info: Communications Volunteers in Government Service
Info: Amateurs U.S. (@usa:Information), ACS, CAP, MARS, RACES
By:   Auxiliary Communications Service (ACS), the volunteer
      communications reserve of the State of California
      Governor's Office of Emergency Services

Bulletin 396- for Release 9/18/95
OPS - Ways to be involved 2/2

During the floods of '95 a number of units had their personnel
active in support of paid staff in such positions as liaison,
clerical, office, phone answering, computer support and general
all-around service in the EOC or EMA office.

ATV shows up now and then in the ACS, RACES and ARES activities.
Longtime proponent of ATV, Deputy Fire Chief Ben Lopes was
responsible for a RACES Resource Order by the county to Santa
Clara city for support during High-rise '95, a drill at the Apple
Computer towers in Cupertino.

A Radio Officer in a county with a multicultural population is
adding multi-linguistic speaking personnel to the unit. These
people, both non-licensees and licensees, will aid local fire and
law officials during emergencies as people tend to resort to
their native language under stress.

Communications responders apparently were not involved in the
following but it is worth considering. Do you know what happens
when a city of 12,000 loses its total water supply with NO
immediate relief available? One in California recently had that
experience. It was estimated it needed 2 gallons per person per
day and none was available - NONE! Due to other problems it had
no funds available to buy water, neither did the county and
there was no real program in place to take care of the situation.
What if it was 50,000 to 1,000,000 people? Do your responders
carry a three-day supply whenever they leave home? Does each
house have a three-day MINIMUM supply per person? Learn how to
'treat' water so it is safe. Learn how to carry water and store
water! Unless it is 'canned', stored water must be replaced with
fresh water at appropriate intervals. The intervals vary with the
type of storage. Even so, stored water can become 'flat'. Watch
for a bulletin on how to store water in the near future!
End of series.

ACS Addresses:  2800 Meadowview Rd., Sacramento, CA. 95832.
Ph: 916-262-1600. FAX [phone]. Landline BBS: 916-262-1657.
[e-mail] or Internet [e-mail] or [e-mail].
Bulletin delivery problems? Notify W6WWW@KM6PX.#NOCAL.USA.NA
EOM



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:26 1995
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Recently I posted some POSITIVE articles (one on the uses of good, the
other a story full of positive humor on "Repeater Rabbit."

I received one or two messages yet if I post a message on
Nazi hams or racist hams the mail flows.

Thus you like me to treat you like boring old white fat hams.

So I will.



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| to make the contact with East Molohavnia.                            |
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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Roehrig)
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Subject: Icom 22S mods
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Since there have been a number if queries about my 22S dope, here are
some of the details of what I did, without going into the technical
details. If anyone is interested, you can send me a SASE with enough
postage for 2 ounces to the address below.

With my 22S mods, you get the following:

1) All the standard 30 kHz spaced repeater channels between 146.010 and
   147.99 MHz.

2) All the standard 30 kHz spaced simplex channels between 146.43 and
   146.58 MHz.

3) All the standard 30 kHz spaced simplex channels between 147.42 and
   147.54 MHz.

4) Your choice of 9 other channels.

This is all accomplished very simply by rewiring the HI - OFF - LOW
power toggle switch on the front panel to be used to program the
D6 and D7 program lines (or neither line in the center off position),
rather than put diodes in these places on the board.
Diodes are then installed in the D1 thru D5 rows as needed. The D0 row
is used for the 15 kHz "in-between" channels, where needed.
I then installed a ON-OFF switch (hi power only) on the rear of the unit.

The 22S will operate down to about 145.5 without retuning.

With the addition of a single IC (a CD4001) you can provide for an
odd offset repeater while retaining the normal offset & simplex
capabilities of the 2 frequencies involved. For example:

    147.660 - 147.060  Standard repeater
    147.060            simplex
    146.580            simplex
    147.660 - 146.580  Odd repeater

I also have 4 pages of details on how to use the 22S with 20 kHz spaced
channels (Author unknown and I did not try this).

de K9EUI
314 S. Harrison St.
Batavia, IL. 60510



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:29 1995
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Announcing the remarkable Kenwood TS-870S HF All-Mode Transceiver with
Next Generation IF-Stage DSP. The Intelligent Communications System.

<a
href="http://www.accessnv.com/kenwood/">http://www.accessnv.com/kenwood/<
/a>




From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:30 1995
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Subject: Re: Icom 22S mods
Date: 15 Sep 1995 04:34:10 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Bob Roehrig <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Since there have been a number if queries about my 22S dope, here are
>some of the details of what I did, without going into the technical
>details. If anyone is interested, you can send me a SASE with enough
>postage for 2 ounces to the address below.

Or they can send an email to Don, KE6AJH, at [e-mail]
inquiring about a kit that gives 144.xxx to 148 MHz *continuous*
coverage with 5 kHz spacing with only minor modifications using
stock crystals. Don owns TechnoLogic Concepts and has full coverage
kits for the Ramsey FX series and the ICOM-22S.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


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From: [e-mail] (ROBERT GERNER JR.)
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Subject: Bakersfield ,Ca National Hamfest
Date: 15 Sep 1995 04:37:32 GMT
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X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 14  9:37:32 PM PDT 1995

Well its almost here the 2nd National Hamfest here in Bakersfield,Ca
Many Dealers and Manufactures, Icom, Radio Shack, Ramsey Electronics,
The Wireman, Computer Nut, Titain Communications, and many more.
Top Prizes  Azden PCS-7500H 50 watt 6 meter mobile, and Icom 707 Hf
Rig.
Camping , RVS no hook ups, Food all weekend, Speakers CW contest, and
ATV Demo . and several craft booths for the YL,S.
Come one come all OCTOBER 6,7,8 1995 At Costerrian Lake in Bakersfield,
Ca.  for more info call Rob Gerner KB6JFL 805-588-7065 OR Call
Al Chadwick N6THC 805-396-1012.

cu Rob KB6JFL


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ALL THE XR0Y LOGS (until 12 Sep 0252 UTC) are available in the
425 DX News WWW Page. They are ORDERED by call. Press the first
letter of your call when in the XR0Y logs page ! Please
distribute this info and please gimme comments if it's useful !

Another great free service by 42 DX Gang available at this site:

        http://promet12.cineca.it/htdx/index.html

Good luck ... hope you are in the logs. 73 de Maurice
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From: [e-mail] (David R Tucker)
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Subject: Re: Gentlemen's Agreements vs The Law
Date: 15 Sep 1995 08:09:08 -0400
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[e-mail] wrote:
: 146.52 MHz is known in the U.S. as the National Simplex
: Calling Frequency, and is listed as such in the band plan
: of the ARRL Repeater Directory.  Recently there has been
: a wide-area net camping out on 146.52 which justifies
: being on the Calling Frequency by pointing out there is
: nothing in FCC Part 97 saying that anyone owns any
: frequency, that by law they can use 146.52 for a net or
: anything else, that it's just a "gentleman's agreement"
: saying 146.52 is a national calling frequency.  To what
: extent should we as amateur radio operators follow the
: "gentlemen's agreements"?  I monitor 146.52 fairly often
: at home and always when I travel, using it as I believe it
: was intended, which is a Watering Hole along the radio
: spectrum.  The net in question, by the way, tends to go on
: for hours on Saturday nights, and essentially encourages
: lids to act out with other lids.  --Bill KB8USZ

146.52 is the National Simplex Frequency - simplex nationwide, no
local option, the one simplex frequency you're supposed to have in
your crystal rig if you're having only one - but I've never seen it
referred to as a "Calling Channel."  Maybe, in these synthesized
times, it should be.

-drt

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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:34 1995
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Val Breault) writes:

> Like fishermen, we may plan and scheme, measure and calculate to
> prepare for a session.  Or we may just declare that "it's a fine day
> for it" and hope for the best.

What about people who fish for a living? 8(

Hmm, would like to listen to an anology for 3rd party traffic in
fishing analogy... ;) (And one on SWR)

Off topic? Nevermind...

--
[e-mail]              -[ Standard Disclaimers Apply ]-

          Now Faith is a substance of things hoped for,
           the evidence of things not seen. [Heb 11:1]





From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
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Subject: Re: Police Radar and 2m mobile
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:42:34
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In article <43cab5$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeff DePolo) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, Dave Bushong <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <435jne$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>>
>>>P.S. He had to measure your speed while you were moving towards you as the
>>>radar wont measure speeds of vehicles moving away from the patrol vehicle.
>>
>>Bzzzzzt.  Wrong.
>>Actually, a false generalization.  So-called "moving radar" has this
>>limitation, but the hand-held guns, for example, do not have this peculiarity.

>You're both half-wrong.

>There are three types of radar units.  The traditional type is stationary-
>only.  Older examples of this type of gun include Kustom MR-6, and MR-7,
>CMI SpeedGun 1, etc.

You're wrong too :-)

MR stands for Moving Radar.  The MR-7 has a stationary and a moving mode.
(Although I don't know about the other models you listed.

>They do this by measuring the patrol
>car's ground speed and the closing speed between the patrol and target,
>and by subtracting the two they calculate the target's ground speed.
>These same guns can be aimed rearward and produce the SAME RESULTS -  -
>either way the dopper shift for the patrol speed and for the closing/
>receding speeds are the same, and subtrating the two still yields
>the target's speed.

The reason they hit the on-coming lane is because the doppler shift will be
way up there.  The cars going in the same direction of the cruiser are
attenuated as part of the clutter.  That is, these gadgets measure relative
speed.  A car in front of you going 65 to your 60 measures as 5 MPH, and
whatever frequency that produces (say 157 Hz at X band).  Now a car
coming at you with a speed of 65 to your 60 is actually closing at a
relative speed of 125 MPH, or 3.9 kHz doppler shift.  The bandpass filter
in most of these is tuned to the cruisers speed (say 60 MPH and 1.9 kHz
doppler shift), and some maximum velocity, say 100 MPH above that (say
5 or 6 kHz).  Thus, with a bandpass of 1 kHz to 6 kHz you can see where
the doppler shifts from vehicles in your lane direction fall: highly
attenuated.

Now to answer the original posters question.  If the cop got you at 85 MPH
that means you have an equation with an infinate number of solutions.  In
order to solve the equation, you need to know how fast the cop was going.

1.  How fast was cop going.
2.  Find the doppler shift of the relative speed.
3.  Find a reason why the 2m rig would produce that shift.

But there's more:

1. The radar uses a crystal detector.
2. Any pair of frequencies that give the same doppler shift will trick the
    radar.
3. Most radars have a big gaping hole called an antenna which let all
    of these mixing products in...

The solution:

1.  Get a lawyer.
2.  Pay the fine.
3.  Get your speedometer calibrated and a receipt, and then take
     that to the bailif (sp?) and he will cancel your ticket.  (make sure
     the technician specifies a great error).

Step three is actually criminal, but if we worried about that, police
wouldn't have radars in the first place.  i.e., speed kills very few people
statistically speaking.  radars are merely a revenue tool.
---
Steve



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <43a2hb$a0b$[e-mail]> Hans Brakob <[e-mail]> writes:
>>It's only a matter of time.  The sheer numbers of no-coders
>>who wish to operate HF without wasting their time learning
>>an antiquated mode of communciation like Morse will demand it.
>
>It may be "only a matter of time", but you should count on a
>LONG time. The "demand" will need to be heard from a majority
>of the nations in the ITU at some future World Radio Conference
>in order for the international rules to change.  Figure on several
>years before that happens, then figure on several more years
>before the FCC changes the US rules.

My best guess is on the order of a decade. It may happen as
soon as 1999, but it may take a bit longer. The US delegation
has been the main stumbling block at past WARCs. Many nations'
delegations seem to have been ready to drop the requirement as
far back as 1979, but were unwilling to buck the US position on
such a relatively unimportant (to them) issue. Of course the
nation with the largest amateur population simply took a footnoted
exception and dropped the code speed test unilaterally for their
amateurs. Many other nations have very small, or no, amateur
populations, so the whole issue is of little interest to them.

Once the US instructs its delegation to a competent WARC to
push for elimination of the code speed test requirement, it
will rapidly be gone. The US won't so instruct its delegation
unless there is political pressure to do so. Since the US
doesn't really much care about amateur radio either, and
as the FCC has publicly stated, simply goes along with the
sentiments of the majority of current licensees on most such
issues, the trend toward code test free licenses that started
in 1991 will eventually swing the balance toward eliminating
the code speed tests entirely.

In the meanwhile, Article 32 doesn't specify a test speed,
all it says is that an applicant shall "send by hand and
copy by ear texts in the International Code". That could
be at 1 WPM and still satisfy the requirement. Certainly
the current baroque US system isn't mandated by Article 32.
(And since the US no longer requires a sending test, and
makes accomodations for hearing impaired applicants, it is
in technical violation of Article 32 already anyway.) And,
of course, the original justification for the requirement
is also gone now with the near universal lack of need for
other services to intercommunicate with amateurs using
code. The code speed test requirement is now merely an
empty ritual held over from the days when it actually
had a valid regulatory purpose.

Note, of course, that elimination of code speed *testing*
is not the same as elimination of code *usage* on the
air. That will continue as long as at least two amateurs
are interested in doing so.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Buch)
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Subject: Re: USN Antenna Farm near Cutler Maine ?
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:26:04 GMT
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[e-mail] (Michael Babineau) wrote:

(Clipped)

>I'm curious if anyone knows what the purpose of the massive antenna farm
>is near Cutler Maine, which I believe is US Navy. My guess is that maybe this is used for communication with submerged subs
>(the scale seems about right)
You are correct. The call sign is NAA.  The operating frequency is
24KHz.  The modulation is MSK.  All of this info is contained in the
Shortwave Directory, Grove, ISBN 0-944543-00-6.

The Jasik and Johnson Antenna Engineering Handbook, Second Edition,
Table 24-1 published by  Mc Graw Hill ISBN0-07-032291-0 gives the
following information about these antennas:
1 megawatt at 17.8KHz.

I don't know which reference is correct but you get the idea.  The USN
has been experimenting with direct satellite communications to
submarines using high-speed bursts to a small Ku-band antenna that is
extended to the surface similar to a periscope.  The data rates
available will likely make this the medium of choice soon.  The VLF
links will likely continue to serve subs that are deeply submerged.
__________________________________________________

Joe Buch - N2JB
Editor - Technical Topics - NASWA Journal
Virginia Beach, Virginia
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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kok Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Date: 15 Sep 1995 15:00:16 -0700
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:

>In article <9a7cb$[e-mail]>,
>
>>When I took mine in '69 I didn't have to send.  The assumption was twofold
>>(and quite valid).  1.  If you could receive you could send.  2.  If
>>assumption 1 wasn't valid, the hams would let you know.

>False assumption....


Gosh.  For once I agree with Jeff!  Must be the lack of sunspots :-).

I, for one, can copy faster than I can send.  I can't do faster than
10 wpm on a straight key and 18 wpm on a paddle.  Anything faster than
that, I am too embarassed to get on the air with; extra dits, bad spacing,
you name it.  So, 99% of the time, I use a keyboard for sending.

Oops, yes Gary, I use CW now and then; but just the 5NN TU stuff, I
promise :-).  Still collecting postcards...

73

Kok Chen, AA6TY                         [e-mail]
Apple Computer, Inc.


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Police Radar and 2m mobile
Date: 15 Sep 1995 15:16:30 GMT
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In article <435jne$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>At least that is the way they are supposed to teach the officers...I know,
>I am a police radar instructor....

daydreaming...

official version:
        "yes your honor, I observed the vehicle proceeding at an
        excessive rate of speed in excess of 70 miles per hour. this was
        confirmed by a radar speed measurement reading which I then
        obtained which showed 72.534 MPH."

reality:
        "sleeping in my squadcar with visions of fresh doughnuts
        dancing in my head, the damn radar started beeping and I think
        I saw it show something like 75 mph so I lit up this geek in
        one of them furrin cars and wrote him for 80. he babbled something
        about his radio screwing with my radar and I didn't like his attitude
        so I changed it to 85. prevert!"

oh well.


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:41 1995
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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
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Subject: Re: Police Radar and 2m mobile
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:28:16
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Problem 1.      A police officer has just stopped you and given you a ticket
                for 58 MPH in a 25 MPH zone.  The radar used, was a K-band
                instant-on model, operating at 24.15 GHz transmitter frequency.

                How fast was the police cruiser going?

Hint:           The formula for doppler shift per MPH is approximately:

                             89.36 V    Where:  L = 1.242 cm
                        Fd = -------            V = Target Velocity
                                L

                or, 72 Hz/MPH doppler shift.

Assumption:     The radar requires half a second of one continuous frequency
                before it declares a lock-on.

Assumption:     The police cruiser must be traveling at or below 25 MPH in
                order for the radar doppler filters to function properly:

                        (That is, the radar cannot measure velocity below
                        the cruisers speed.  By going 25 MPH and detecting
                        a closing target at a speed of 25 MPH also, gives
                        a closing speed of 50 MPH or 3.6 kHz. The bandpass
                        filters 3 dB point moves to two times the cruisers
                        speed).

                Assume that he was going 25 MPH.  That would give you
                an 83 MPH closing speed, or 5.976 kHz doppler shift.

                Assume that he was going 10 MPH.  That would give you
                a 35 MPH closing speed, or 2.52 kHz doppler shift.

Assumption:     The 2m radio processes an audio range of approximately
                .05 to 3.0 kHz.  Normal voice products can have high
                amplitudes up to about 1.0 kHz.  2m radios generally do
                not use PL tones.  The deviation of most amateur 2m rigs
                is limited by clipping, thus is usually distorted as it
                tries to remain below 3 kHz deviation as the operator
                yells into the audio amplifier.  The Modulation Index of
                a typical 2m amateur radio, at 1.0 kHz modulation is
                about 3 radians. This provides about 6 sideband pairs,
                or 12 sidebands of 1.0 kHz for a 12 kHz bandwidth.  The
                first 2 sidebands each side of Fo are significant to the
                radar.  Thus, there exists a sideband at 1.0, and 2.0 kHz
                that could generate a doppler shift in the crystal detector
                of the radar.

Answer:
                -------------------------------

Scoring:

Use of Derivatives - 10 points
Use of Indefinite Integrals - 11 points
Use of Definite Integrals - 20 points
Use of the Trapezoid Rule - 2 points
Use of Simpsons Rule - 3 points
Use of Markov-Taylor Loop Quantization Polarization - 0 points
Use of Leibnitz Newton-John "Have you ever been mellow" Rule - 90 points
Use of the Ito-Marsha-O.J. Time Expansion Product Rule - 100 points
Use of the McVie Building Expansion/Destruction Rule - 200 points

---
Steve/n5owk
"I remember when the FBI used to value human life over helicopters."



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:44 1995
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Subject: ARLP039 Propagation de KT7H
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SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP039
ARLP039 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP08
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 39  ARLP039
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  September 15, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP039
ARLP039 Propagation de KT7H

The sun was spotless over most of last week.  The solar flux was
down an average of five points, and every day the flux was below the
90 day flux average, which declined from 74 to 73 last week.

Not only has the sunspot and solar flux picture been poor for HF
propagation, but geomagnetic activity has been unsettled to active.
This may continue over the next day when this bulletin is written,
and then is expected to fade into a quiet period from September 23
through October 1.  Recurring coronal holes are expected to return
with active geomagnetic conditions October 2 through 5, and again
around October 8.

Solar flux should rise slightly to the mid seventies around
September 22, and then fade back to lower levels around 70 or below.
This has a depressive effect on HF propagation, but there should
still be some good openings over north-south paths.

Sunspot Numbers for September 7 through 13 were 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 12
and 11, with a mean of 3.3.  10.7 cm flux was 70.2, 69.1, 68.7, 68,
68, 68.6 and 69.2, with a mean of 68.8.

This week's path projection is to Brazil from Hawaii, Anchorage,
Alaska, and San Diego, California.

From Hawaii 80 meters should be open from 0430z to 0930z, and 40
meters from 0330z to 1030z.  Check 30 meters from 0230z to 0830z and
again from 1030z to 1130z.  20 meters should be open from 0030z to
0700z, 17 meters from 1630z to 0530z and 15 meters from 1730z to
0430z.  Check 12 meters from 1800z to 0330z, with best signals from
1900z to 0130z and 10 meters from 1900z to 0130z, with the best bet
from 2000z to 2300z.

From Anchorage check 80 meters from 0330z to 0930z, 40 meters from
0230z to 0830z, 30 meters from 0100z to 0600z and 20 meters from
2200z to 0300z.  17 meters should be open some days from 1930z to
2300z.

From San Diego 80 meters looks good from 0200z to 1000z, and 40
meters from 0100z to 1030z.  30 meters should be open from 0000z to
0730z and 1000z to 1130z.  20 meters is worth watching from 2030z to
0500z, although it may open as early as 1400z.  17 meters looks open
from 1500z to 0300z and 15 meters from 1700z to 0100z.  On 12 meters
look for openings from 1800z to 2330z and on some days on 10 meters
from 1900z to 2300z.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff DePolo)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Police Radar and 2m mobile
Date: 15 Sep 1995 16:41:09 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Dave Bushong <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <435jne$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>
>>P.S. He had to measure your speed while you were moving towards you as the
>>radar wont measure speeds of vehicles moving away from the patrol vehicle.
>
>Bzzzzzt.  Wrong.
>Actually, a false generalization.  So-called "moving radar" has this
>limitation, but the hand-held guns, for example, do not have this peculiarity.

You're both half-wrong.

There are three types of radar units.  The traditional type is stationary-
only.  Older examples of this type of gun include Kustom MR-6, and MR-7,
CMI SpeedGun 1, etc.  Current models include Kustom Falcon, Kustom KR-10/
stationary, Decatur Ra-Gun, and others.  These types of guns, some handheld,
some two-piece, can only be used from a stationary patrol vehicle.  They
simply measure a single, strongest doppler return and display the
corresponding speed.  Same thing that the cheapo Ramsey kits do, only
they do it much better.

The second and most common type is "moving-mode".  This is the most
prevelent type of unit, and most state police agencies use two-piece
models such as MPH K-55 (x or k band), Kustom KR-11, Kustom KR-10,
and many others.  There are some handheld moving-mode guns such
as CMI SpeedGun 8, Kustom HR-12, and others.  These guns all can be
used either stationary or mobile.  In mobile use, they are aimed
out the front windshield (or clipped to a window and aimed forward)
to clock oncoming vehicles.  They do this by measuring the patrol
car's ground speed and the closing speed between the patrol and target,
and by subtracting the two they calculate the target's ground speed.
These same guns can be aimed rearward and produce the SAME RESULTS -  -
either way the dopper shift for the patrol speed and for the closing/
receding speeds are the same, and subtrating the two still yields
the target's speed.  This method isn't done often, because it would
require a lot of looking in the rear-view mirros, plus by that
time, the target vehicle has already seen the patrol car, so it's
pretty much pointless.

The third, newest type of moving-mode radar uses two antennas - one
aimed forward and one aimed rearward.  The most common example of this
is the Kustom Pro-1000 series.  With this unit, the patrol is
able to clock vehicles in front of or behind the patrol, either in
the same lane travelling the same direction, or in the opposite lane
travelling the opposite direction.  With the two antennas, and more
signal processing and microprocessor power, it can do this.  How
well it does it is another story, but it is done.

Note that some of the conventional-type moving radar units can also
be equipped with a second antenna that is aimed rearward, but it
still doesn't allow the units to do sophisticated any-lane any-direction
clocking like the third type does.  It mearly gives the ability to park
the patrol car on the side of the road and clock vehicles approaching
from the rear without having to reaim the common forward-aimed antenna.
The officer can switch between the two antennas with a simple switch.

                                                        --- Jeff
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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn T. Rutledge)
Subject: Re: Looking for a radio
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Rick Huebner ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I am a Paramedic and am looking for a portable radio for personal use.
: It must be programmable transmit/receive for frequencies that I am
: interested in(police, fire, ems, hospital).  These are all VHF freqs and
: must be able to handle programming of PL's for each freq.  I would like
: at least 30 channels that can be scanned.

: I have seen a very nice Kenwood that someone told me was around $700.
: Any recommendations?  Please email me if you don't mind.  Thanks...

Most HT's (walkie-talkies) nowadays have the out-of-band receive feature;
for 2m HT's, it's usually about 130-something to 170-something MHz.  If you
need anything out of this range a 2m HT definitly won't do.  Some
can be modified to transmit out-of-band too.  I don't know about programming
30 channels to be scanned though.  I know there are scanning features but
whether they scan programmed channels or the whole band I'm not sure.
HT's are usually $200-$350 or so; more than that and you can get a dual
or 3 band radio that covers 440 and maybe 220 as well.
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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:48 1995
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Subject: Re: SCADA Professionals
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Dick Searle ([e-mail]) wrote:


: Would like to exchange e-mail with HAMS presently working on, designing,
: building, or maintaining SCADA systems using 960 data radios & microwave
: backbones.

What's SCADA?

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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:49 1995
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Subject: Re: SCADA Professionals
Date: 15 Sep 1995 20:48:12 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Shawn T. Rutledge <[e-mail]> wrote:

>What's SCADA?

Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Curry KB2TJQ)
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Subject: Re: DR600 Owners
Date: 15 Sep 1995 22:13:40 GMT
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Kevin Jessup ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <435946$[e-mail]> Thomas Martin <[e-mail]> writes:

: >Has anyone had the problem I have had with my DR600.

: I had similar problems with my DR600.  I described the problem in
: detail via a long, laser-printed letter to ALINCO.  I received a quick
: handwritten scribble attributing it to operator error.  They did NOT
: state what my error was!  Others in my area have also had problems
: with the DR600 while in remote mode.

What has been the problem?  I bought a DR600 and the 440 side would transmit
for about a minute and a half before the "on air" light would blink and the
unit would no longer transmit.  THe antenna match is 1:1, i cant see what
the problem is.  Does this sound familiar??

David CUrry  KB2TJQ
[e-mail]




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Why the hell is THIS posted here???

de Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:52 1995
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Subject: ARLX052 Hurricane Marilyn 1
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX052
ARLX052 Hurricane Marilyn 1

ZCZC AX22
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 52  ARLX052
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  September 16, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX052
ARLX052 Hurricane Marilyn 1

At 8 pm EDT/AST or 0000z, Friday, September 15, the center of
Hurricane Marilyn was located near latitude 17.9 North, longitude
64.8 West, or just north and very near St. Croix.  It is moving
toward the northwest near 12 mph and this motion is expected to
continue through Saturday.  On this course, Marilyn will move by the
remaining U.S. Virgin islands and near the eastern tip of Puerto
Rico tonight.

Hurricane warnings continue in effect for U.S. and British Virgin
Islands northwestward through Puerto Rico.  A hurricane watch is in
effect for the northeast coast of the Dominican Republic from
Cabrera to Cabo Engano.

Maximum sustained winds are near 100 mph.  Some additional slow
strengthening is possible and Marilyn could become a Category 3
hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson scale tonight or Saturday.

Amateurs are advised to monitor storm-related nets, especially the
Hurricane Watch Net on or near 14.325 MHz, but to not transmit on
emergency net frequencies unless directed to do so by net control
stations.
NNNN
/EX



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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 15/2330Z SEPTEMBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 15 SEPTEMBER AND FORECAST FOR 16 SEPTEMBER - 18 SEPTEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  70/5

GOES satellite data for 14 Sep
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   2.3E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 2.6E+09 (very high)
       X-ray background: A1.0
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             16 Sep             17 Sep             18 Sep
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 16 Sep:  70/5

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: unsettled to active, with brief minor
storm period 12-15UT.

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 14 Sep
    Learmonth       20  2334 5432
    Fredericksburg  19                           5
    Planetary       30                          10

Observed Kp for 14 Sep: 3332 2223
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
16 Sep    15    Quiet to unsettled, with possible active periods.
17 Sep    10    Quiet to unsettled
18 Sep    10    Quiet to unsettled
COMMENT: IPS Geomagnetic Warning 22 was issued on 13 September and is
current for interval 15-16 September.
-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
15 Sep      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
16 Sep      normal         normal         normal
17 Sep      normal         normal         normal
18 Sep      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
15 Sep    16    near predicted monthly values

Predicted Monthly T index for September: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
16 Sep    15    Near predicted monthly values
17 Sep    15    Near predicted monthly values
18 Sep    15    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: IPS HF Communications Warning 23 was issued on 13 September
and is current for interval 15-16 September.
Observed MUFs at:
Darwin: near predicted monthly values.
Townsville: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart: near predicted monthly values, with blanketing sporadic E
observed 17-19UT.

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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:54 1995
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Subject: !! Special Preffix HK100GM !!
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In commemoration of 100 years of Radio Communications, LCRA (Liga
Colombiana de Radioaficionados-Seccional Bogota), put on air the new
preffix HK100GM the suffix means Guglielmo Marconi.

The operation will be until December 31st 1995, in all bands all mods.

QSL MANAGER -->  HK3DDD
                 P.O. Box 25827
                 Bogota Colombia


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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:55 1995
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From: "Robert A. Kile" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Kenwood Communications Announces TS-870S
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Introducing the remarkable new TS-870S HF All-Mode
Transceiver with Next Generation IF-Stage DSP. The Intelligent Digitally
Enhanced Communication System....

http://www.accessnv.com/kenwood/

de Webmaster KG7D



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark D. Conner)
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I recently bought an Alinco DR610T and would like to use my headset
microphone designed to be used with an Alinco/Yaesu/Icom HT.  I've
been told it's possible to make a circuit that will let it work with a
mobile rig without completely tearing apart the mike.  Has anyone
built such a thing?

E-mail responses/copies appreciated, and I'll summarize responses if
desired.

73 de Mark N9XTN



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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Schulz)
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Subject: Re: SCADA Professionals
Date: 16 Sep 1995 02:35:08 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>,
: Shawn T. Rutledge <[e-mail]> wrote:

: >What's SCADA?

: Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition

Commonly used for remote control and monitoring of water distribution
systems, sewer plants, storm drainage systems, irrigation, etc.


Robert Schulz  KC6UDS
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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Curry KB2TJQ)
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Subject: Re: FM Broadcast Subcarrier Receivers
Date: 16 Sep 1995 03:36:29 GMT
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Joel McClure ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Does anybody know where to get a kit/plans for an FM broadcast subcarrier
: receiver?
: --
: Joel McClure  KB8APP                          <Annoying personal touch deleted>
:                                          <Sorry, no list of all my possessions>

: My opinions/statements have nothing to do with those of my employer.
: Why would they?!
As far as I know, Ramsey made a kit for awhile , i dont  know if they still
do.
73
David KB2TJQ



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:04:59 1995
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From: Rissanen Olli M
To: Tim Totten, KJ4VH
Subject: 4X1F active Sept 16 to 17, 1995
Date: Friday, September 15, 1995 8:27PM

Tim,

Jouko, OH1NYP, Martti OH2BH, Marko OH6DO and I will be active as 4X1F with
two stations from Ayala-Alabang mainly in SAC CW but would like to also work
USA on 20/40 on our sunrise/sunset. Please distribute.

73,

Olli


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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Ennes)
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Subject: Re: Calling pagers with autopatch?
Date: 16 Sep 1995 03:46:58 GMT
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I don't see why it would not be legal if you are not discussing business.
 I have found the FCC is not as concerned with all this petty nonsense as
much as some of the hams that want to worry about this kind of stuff.

N7DTD



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Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
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I personally love CW.  It seems to have a certain kind of magic that
phone doesn't seem to have.  However,  ham radio is dying.  If dropping
CW would get more kids interested in the greatest hobby in the world I
say so be it!
The average age of ham is something like 58.  I hear all the stuff about
the 2 meter repeaters being crowded.  When I drive across the country I
see no evidence of this!  I was in Los Angels for about a month and could
alway get
on a repeater.  I agree with someone that was on the newgroup a little
earlier
"Lets lighten up".

N7DTD



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From: [e-mail] (BILL DILLSTROM )
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Subject: Midwest swap meet (3898 kc) on i-phone???
Date: 16 Sep 1995 04:43:45 GMT
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Hello,

    Bill here in Las Vegas, Nv. I have recently begun using the
internet phone and have been having a ball with it. If your not aware
of its existence i will give a quick rundown. Its high quality person
to person voice communications using the digitizing capability of your
computers soundcard to send and receive speech through your internet
connection. With the appropriate software (about $75) you can talk to
anyone who has the same setup. Most of the present day soundcards have
an input for a small microphone and the sound quality is excellent on
both send and receive. I have talked with people in over 25 countries
in the last week. A lot of hams and others as well are now
participating. You can join groups (lots of ham radio stuff going on
now) or speak with individuals. Depending on the capabilities of your
sound card you may either have a full duplex connection or the older
souncards offer half duplex connections. The system uses a VOX setup
which is incorporated into the software.  In addition to person to
person communications there are specific channels devoted to full time
programming (fm radio//news//etc.). Any internet i-phone user may
broadcast full time in this manner. I would like to see someone who can
monitor the Monday night and Friday night 3898KC Midwest swap net
broadcast it over i-phone so the guys like myself out here on the west
coast can hear it. We are too far west and because of the time
difference here cannot pick up 3898kc (the band doesnt open here until
its almost over). The net usually starts about 6 to 6:30 pm CST. If
someone would pick up this broadcast and retransmit it over i-phone for
us out here i would be happy to do the same with our Saturday and
Sunday 7240 swap net from California. We have several hundred hams
check in each weekend with buy, sell, trade items. I am sure many of
you guys back east would be interested in hearing out nets. If anyone
is interested who has i-phone capability lets talk.


Best regards,

Bill Dillstrom

 KA0SCM/7

LAS VEGAS, NV.



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave van De Kerk)
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Subject: Drop Morse Testing (Yes/No?)
Date: 16 Sep 95 05:09:44 GMT
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Date: 12 Sep 1995 17:17:19 GMT
From:
Subject: Drop Code? Yes way!

Drew In Charlotte ([e-mail], Drew Durigan) wrote

>DD>How many of those oldtimers who can copy CW at 20+ WPM and insist that "I
>DD>had to learn it, so they have to learn it too!"...how many of them are
>DD>capable of operating a personal computer?

and then re-stated for emphasis when Brian Carling pointed to
himself as an example of exactly the opposite:

> Right...but for every one like you, there's probably 10 others who
> wouldn't know a keyboard from a motherboard.

I work in digital communications and deep in the innards of
networks and protocols all day long.  The last thing I want to do
when I come home is repeat the high speed TCP/IP RF networking I
do at the office.  For fun, I want to do something different,
something enjoyable, and pounding brass does the job quite nicely.

> Listen to the old duffers that talk trash every night on 20 Meters.  Most
> of these guys are Extra Class hams...they can (or could, at one time)
> pound code at 20+ WPM...but how many of them know anything at all about
> digital communications.  Very few, I would guess.

So what if none of these people know nothing about digital
communications?  The universe won't come to an end.  And, the 20
meter "talk trash" people I have met in person know a lot more
about computers than they know about carrying out a conversation
at 20+ WPM in Morse.  Computer operation is something almost
any person can be taught.  Morse, like speaking politely and
accurately, is an art and a skill which must be practiced or
it is lost.

If you want to find frequencies where trash people talk trash,
there are many bands where such can be found.  I prefer to avoid
such and seek a more gentle set, around 14.030, myself.

>
> -Drew in Charlotte-
 ===============================================
 This message does not constitute any official or unofficial statement or
 policy of American Turnkey or any other organization, corporation or
 institution.
 -----------------
 David P. van De Kerk             Manager, Systems Integration
 American Turnkey                 Santa Ana, CA USA
 714-557-9050 x-207 voice         714-557-9056 FAX   [e-mail]
 KE6GXD


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:04 1995
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From: Thomas Martin <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: DR600 Owners
Date: 16 Sep 1995 10:26:21 GMT
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Thanks for the reply. They definately won't cough up any
information out there. Did they ever resolve your problem?




From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:05 1995
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Well babe, after reading all of these posts, I don't think you have to
worry about your forums.  :)



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Your Name Here)
Subject: Re: NYC Marathon
Organization: Your Organization
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 16:35:03 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Your Name Here) says:
>
>In article <[e-mail]>, "G. Ralph Kuntz, MD" <[e-mail]> says:
>>
>>Followup-To: [e-mail]
>>
>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>Contact Steve Mendelson, wa2dhf the Hudson Division director of the ARRL and he can help,
73 de Len, W8RC
>>Hi HAMFolks-
>>
>> Several years ago I volunteered to help as a HAM in the NYC
>>Marathon.  I am interested in doing it again this year and am
>>looking for who I should contact, etc.
>>
>> I have an unusual situation: I am a ham operator and a physician,
>>but I am not licensed to practice medicine in NY.  I am also an
>>ex-EMT.  I would like to work in one of the medical tents/stations
>>helping with triage, riding the ambulances to pick up patients,
>>etc., and be a point-of-contact for the ham-radio net.
>>
>> Does anyone here know who I might get in touch with?
>>
>> Thanks lots,
>>
>> Ralph, N2HBN
>>
>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>Version: 2.6
>>Comment: Certified signature: send
>>
>>iQCVAwUBMFX9+y5GwYXREdrJAQHGtAP/Q8Yp5CQ9irlRYkSx7QrvcEtcxlxDAcq0
>>3aGeyo1bsPEjCoMuymZApByyDxs4IpITnEbEH8VNA7leo5k3mbf8NJTlh9uT3mYD
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>>
>>contact Steve Mendelson, w2dhf the atlantic division director.He works
>as the coordinator for ham radio.
>73 de Len, w8rc
>--
>>- G Ralph Kuntz, MD
>>  Resident in Internal Medicine, Ex-computer scientist
>>  CIS: 73404,2625   INTERNET: [e-mail]   Home:
>>[phone]
>>
>>


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John MacDonald)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: problems with Yaesu FT411E
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 16:37:36 GMT
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I have had a problem with my ft411e after it was dropped on the
pavement. It initially appeared to work fine and was in fine shape
cosmetically; it transmitted and received ok; changed frequencies
etc.,but after turning it off then on again it had lost all its
memory. turns out that the lithium battery had become disconnected
and I soon had that fixed. However, now it will xmit and receive and
everything appears to work but it will not change frequency from where
it started at 146.00. This includes trying to change from the keypad
where after the fourth digit is entered the fifth just beeps and
restets to 146.00. I tried the factory default setting as suggested in
the manual but with no luck. Any suggestions or hints please?



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Johnny Miller)
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Subject: Mailing Labels for QSL cards ??.
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 17:47:36 GMT
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Does any one know of any software that can be used with the QRZ disk
to print out mailing labeles from the call sign data base. my fingers
are tired of writing this calls out.
any ideas
[e-mail]
Johnny Miller
N8RTW
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:08 1995
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: NYC Marathon
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 95 17:59:11 -0500
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You can reach him at:
Stephen A. Mendelsohn, WA2DHF
318 New Milford Avenue
Dumont, NJ  07628
201/384-0570
210/384-0680
-
Steve is most easily reached evenings after 8:30 PM.
73 de GL de WA3RKB
Stephan Anderman
Hudson Division Assistant Director
Stillwater, NY
[e-mail]
518/664-6809
WA3RKB @ WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:09 1995
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From: Chris Boone <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ACC Repeater Controller?
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There was NEVER a V 4.5 for the RC850...the Computer Interface
Board you mentioend was for the 850 NOT the 85/96...which V 6 was
planned for...

I know...I OWN a RC850 with the CIB and Vocabulary expansion and
it has the LAST 850 release...V3.8 in it...

V 5 is the last release for the 85/96 series...V6 was NEVER
finished

73
Chris
WB5ITT
RC850 SN 363, 2 SM100s and an ITC32...ya might say I KNOW ACC)

--

Chris Boone WB5ITT                     Compuserve 72732,2610
PO Box 3102                            FIDO 1:106/4267
Conroe, Texas 77305-3102               Sysop WBBS @ 409-447-4267


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alexander J. Shrom)
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Subject: Re: FM Broadcast Subcarrier Receivers
Date: 16 Sep 1995 22:50:19 GMT
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In article <43dgnt$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David Curry KB2TJQ) writes:
>Joel McClure ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Does anybody know where to get a kit/plans for an FM broadcast subcarrier
>: receiver?

>As far as I know, Ramsey made a kit for awhile , i dont  know if they still
>do.

Yes, they do: item SCA-1.  Connects to an FM receiver's detector output.
Thus it seems like you'd be forced to buy FR-1, their FM BCB receiver
as well.  Total, w/o cases, is less than $60.



--

Alex Shrom, N3WBQ <[e-mail]>  Major:  History of Cat Art
Princeton '98   http://www.princeton.edu/~ajshrom  Minor:  Yes, unfortunately


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:11 1995
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Subject: IPS Daily Report - 16 September 95
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 16/2330Z SEPTEMBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 16 SEPTEMBER AND FORECAST FOR 17 SEPTEMBER - 19 SEPTEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  70/5

GOES satellite data for 15 Sep
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   7.2E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 4.0E+08 (moderate)
       X-ray background: A1.0
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             17 Sep             18 Sep             19 Sep
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 17 Sep:  70/5

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 15 Sep
    Learmonth       10  3232 3222
    Fredericksburg  12                          18
    Planetary       10                          30

Observed Kp for 15 Sep: 3555 6322
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
17 Sep    10    Quiet to unsettled
18 Sep    10    Quiet to unsettled
19 Sep    12    Quiet to unsettled

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
16 Sep      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
17 Sep      normal         normal         normal
18 Sep      normal         normal         normal
19 Sep      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
16 Sep    17    near predicted monthly values, with spread F observed
local night.

Predicted Monthly T index for September: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
17 Sep    15    Near predicted monthly values
18 Sep    15    Near predicted monthly values
19 Sep    15    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Observed MUFs at:
Darwin: near to 15% below predicted monthly values.
Townsville: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart: near predicted monthly values, with some spread F and
sporadic E observed local night.

--
IPS Radio and Space Services      | email: [e-mail]
PO Box 5606                       | WWW: http://www.ips.gov.au/rwc/
West Chatswood NSW 2057 AUSTRALIA | FTP: ftp://ftp.ips.gov.au/users/rwc/
tel: [phone]                | fax: [phone]


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Shippey)
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Subject: Custom QSL cards
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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:13 1995
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From: Scott Lawrence <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Looking for first handheld, suggestions?
Date: 16 Sep 1995 23:54:47 GMT
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I just started studing for my tech test.  I want to get a dual band
handheld.  Can anyone recommend one.  A friend of mine who just got his
license, bought a Icom IC-T21A.  It's incredibily small!!!   But its only
2 meter.

So if anyone has any suggestions, please email me..
[e-mail]

I'm just getting into this hobby, I have a million questions.  If anyone
would be willing to answer a few, I greatly appreciate it!

Thanks
    Scott



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:14 1995
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From: Paul Keezer <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HamView Products on the WWW
Date: 17 Sep 1995 01:27:40 GMT
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Finally a WWW page has been set up for HamView products, a
Windows based Ham Radio program.  This page can now be located
at http://www.tiac.net/users/pkeezer/hamview.htm
There is an upgrade file right now for Win95, but the bug has
only been corrected in Logview 5.0  Come and check us out.

                           Paul Keezer, President of PDK Inc.



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:15 1995
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From: Paul Keezer <[e-mail]>
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Subject: HamView Products on the WWW
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Finally a WWW page has been set up for HamView products, a
Windows based Ham Radio program.  This page can now be located
at http://www.tiac.net/users/pkeezer/hamview.htm
There is an upgrade file right now for Win95, but the bug has
only been corrected in Logview 5.0  Come and check us out.

                           Paul Keezer, President of PDK Inc.






From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Gillahan)
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Subject: callsigns
Date: 17 Sep 95 01:54:23 GMT
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I was just curious....

is there any peticular reason why the FCC hasn't issued 1x2 or 2x1 callsigns
for extra class licenses from the N group?  Would something like N8HH or NC8G
be from another service, or have they been issued already, or what?

Just curious, Dave, KB8POR.




From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BUDDY10)
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Subject: Can anyone recomend Logging software ?
Date: 17 Sep 1995 01:56:42 -0400
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Can someone recomend some logging software ?   I want a program that
tracks awards automatically & will lookup callsigns on a CD while I am
using it(the logging software that is ).
Thanks ,

Scott Powell
KD6GPV

P.S.  Has anyone here used EasyLog 4 ?


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Buckmaster, Amsoft, QRZ! comparison
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I just bought the latest version of the QRZ! CD-ROM, and am curious if it is
worth the price to get either/both of the Buckmaster or Amsoft CD-ROMs?

How much duplication, other than the callbook, is there among these three
products?

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
[phone] (O)  |   Unix:  "It isn't supposed to be easy...If it
[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:18 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: SCADA Professionals
Date: 17 Sep 1995 02:52:38 GMT
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[e-mail] (Robert Schulz) wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>: In article <[e-mail]>,
>: Shawn T. Rutledge <[e-mail]> wrote:
>: >What's SCADA?
>
>: Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition

>Commonly used for remote control and monitoring of water distribution
>systems, sewer plants, storm drainage systems, irrigation, etc.

Some of the "etc." includes monitoring, leak detection and control for
pipelines carrying crude oil, fuels (gasoline, etc.), natural gas and
others.
--
Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA




From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Adam Maurer)
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Subject: Getting a QSL from FK8DH
Date: 17 Sep 1995 02:54:27 GMT
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Hi.

I have been trying to get a QSL back from FK8DH, Guy, in New Cal. for
a 6MX contact on 7 Dec 1993.

After sending SASE with $$, I still get nothing back.

Has anyone got a QSl via the buro outta this guy (no pun intended).

73 Adam, VK3ALM     also vua packet: VK3ALM@VK3KSD#MEL.VIC.AUS.OC



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (JOHN E. ROSENWALD)
Subject: Re: callsigns
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David Gillahan ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I was just curious....

: is there any peticular reason why the FCC hasn't issued 1x2 or 2x1 callsigns
: for extra class licenses from the N group?  Would something like N8HH or NC8G
: be from another service, or have they been issued already, or what?

: Just curious, Dave, KB8POR.

I think they have already.

John, NM3P
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  | [e-mail]  | you spend eternity with people that you won't |
  | Amateur Radio: NM3P   | even speak to right now.                      |


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:21 1995
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From: Blair Tindall <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Radiogram to St. Thomas
Date: 17 Sep 1995 03:37:27 GMT
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I am a woefully inactive and inexperienced ham who would like to
make contact with a close friend on St. Thomas, as all phone
service will be unavailable for awhile.  Are there nets I can
use, any suggestions are welcome.  I live in New York and own
only a 2 meter HT.


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Charles Morrison)
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Subject: Re: ACC Repeater Controller?
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In article <43fe6e$l6c$[e-mail]>,
   Chris Boone <[e-mail]> wrote:
>There was NEVER a V 4.5 for the RC850...the Computer Interface
>Board you mentioend was for the 850 NOT the 85/96...which V 6 was
>planned for...
>
>I know...I OWN a RC850 with the CIB and Vocabulary expansion and
>it has the LAST 850 release...V3.8 in it...
>
>V 5 is the last release for the 85/96 series...V6 was NEVER
>finished
>
>73
>Chris
>WB5ITT
>RC850 SN 363, 2 SM100s and an ITC32...ya might say I KNOW ACC)
>

Yeah, thats about all YOU know.

Holy smokes, world (in)famous WB5ITT is officially spaming the Usenet
Newsgroups again.  Shoulda never let compuserve give him an account.

Hey Chris, right off the top, does Part 97 have anything to say about ACC and
its actions?  :)

Charlie


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: callsigns
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David Gillahan ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I was just curious....

: is there any peticular reason why the FCC hasn't issued 1x2 or 2x1 callsigns
: for extra class licenses from the N group?  Would something like N8HH or NC8G
: be from another service, or have they been issued already, or what?

Or our repeater group president, N6UU...

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
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[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Lehman)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
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The usage of the CW requirement as a way to weed out non serious potential
hams is useless.  We occupy valuable spectrum.  The only way we can justify
this occupation is to prove our worth through technical development and
public service.  Holding on to antiquated modes as part of the exam process is
does not further the Amateur Service (remember it is a service first, and hobby
second).  Why not make the theory portions more demanding.  Maybe something about digital signal processing or spread spectrum technology?  A knowledge of
Morse code is a reasonable requirement (5-8 wpm), as it makes a more complete
radio operator.  The biggest problem we face is the loss of our spectrum.
Why not center our certification on this fact, and proceed accordingly?

Jeff, KD6DHB



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:25 1995
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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JH>>Craig wrote:
JH>>TC>Tone Deaf?  I learned code punching it out on a bicycle horn.  Remember
JH>>TC>those things - they squawk like a parrot.  Not a nice "DC tone."  Lots o
JH>>TC>--Craig (KW9R)

JH>>DC tone? This sounds like some of the hams I hear on 80 metres SSB
JH>>talking about having 1000 watts "DC OUTPUT" from their linear amplifier.
JH>>If it was REALLY only DC output, no one would hear them!

JH>Now Brian, don't be so harsh. The T in the RST system reads as follows:

JH>1 - 60-cycle AC or less, very rough and broad.
JH>2 - Very rough AC, very harsh and broad.
JH>3 - Rough AC tone, rectified buy filtered.
JH>4 - Rough note, some trace of filtering.
JH>5 - Filtered rectified  AC but strongly ripple modulated.
JH>6 - Filtered tone, definite trace of ripple modulation.
JH>7 - Near pure tone, trace of ripple modulation.
JH>8 - Near perfect tone, slight trace of modulation.
JH>9 - Perfect tone, no trace  of ripple  or modulation of any kind.

JH>Note that Craig set off the "DC tone" with "". Lack of AC
JH>could be phrased as a "DC" note. We would all know what
JH>the speaker meant.

JH>My tone on 500 kHz CW was always 1. I kept the xmtr in the A2 mode.
JH>Pretty sounding tones several kHz either side of the channel! 10 kW
JH>A2 sure got everyone's attention in the Pacific.

JH>Jeff NH6IL (ex Coast Guard CW operator)

Yet, still no D.C. comes out of anything Jeff. Including the audio
in your receiver speaker when listening to CW signals.
The error is in thinking that the absence of modulation on a
carrier (i.e. the absence of AC modulation) indicates that it is
"D.C." We would NOT all know what the speaker meant at all.
The first time I heard someone say this I was perplexed. It took
me a while to figure out what on earth they were talking about.
I'm sure others experience this too.
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ .... "S.L.M.R. ducks." ... "No, M.R. geese!"



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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Drew Durigan -
You wrote to Chroistopher Greenhalgh:

DD>[e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh) wrote:
DD>>I would like to warn you about a very sadistic and hatefull person. He
DD>>Drew A. Durigan KF4DDM
DD>>EMAIL: [e-mail]

DD>>73, Chris  N8WCT

Tsk DRew - is it REALLY worth all of this venom and threatening over
your puny attempts to combat morse code? Sheesh!

DD>Christopher, Christopher, Christopher...

DD>Let's tell the truth here, shall we?  I never made a "personal attack" on
DD>you.  I was merely debating the merits of code vs no-code on this
DD>newsgroup.

Drew, you are merely repeating the same drivel that has been churned out
here regularly for ages. You have said nothing new. It has all been said
before ad nauseum.

DD>Please refrain from making any further false accusations and attacks on
DD>my character.  At best, it may earn you the discredit and loss of respect
DD>of your fellow hams here on this newsgroup.  At worst, it very well may
DD>cause a libel and/or defamation of character lawsuit to be filed against
DD>you if this sort of thing continues.

Ah - so you DO like to make threats! I seriously doubt that your
threat of a lawsuit could stand up in court. I agree that it was not
nice of him to publicly expose you for your actions, but maybe if you
didn't act so aggressive in the first place it wouldn't have happened.

Please chill out Drew. It's just not worth it. Consider this:
What have you really gained from all of the arguing so far?
Are there any less hams on CW? Take a listen to the CW sub bands any
day of the week. They are busy, crowded - there are thousands of
enthusiastic CW ops enjoying their mode of choice.

If anything, persecution will make them more tenacious I think.
Meanwhile, PLEASE lay off the pejorative statements about entire groups
of people, and get on the air for a while. You might learn something!

73 de AF4K
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ .... "S.L.M.R. ducks." ... "No, M.R. geese!"


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Ellers)
Subject: Re: FM Broadcast Subcarrier Receivers
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In article <43dgnt$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Curry KB2TJQ) says:
>As far as I know, Ramsey made a kit for awhile , i dont  know if they still
>do.

Yep -- I bought one last year.  Big mistake -- it's easily swamped by the
stereo subcarrier, so I wasn't able to get clean SCA.


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
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Drew Durigan ([e-mail]) wrote:

: How many of those oldtimers who can copy CW at 20+ WPM and insist that
: "I had to learn it, so they have to learn it too!"...how many of them are
: capable of operating a personal computer?  Even a simple function like
: word processing or connecting to the Internet.  Not many, I'd guess.

How many young pups know which end of a soldering iron to hold?
How many know what's behind the front panal of their radio?
How many could explain the working of the basic stages in that radio?
``Not many, I'd guess.''

Word processing or connecting to the Internet is really not all that
that important, Drew. If that's how you judge people then you're
not trying hard enough to learn of that person's other abilities.
Ask that OTer about ham radio - he'll have years of tales to tell
about the gear he's built, about radio history, propagation,
antennas, etc. As a ham, those are the items that should impress
you - not word processing.

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 17 12:05:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard H. Brown Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: USN Antenna Farm near Cutler Maine ?
Date: 17 Sep 1995 09:17:47 GMT
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In article <43c13o$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael Babineau) says:
>
>Hi :
>
>I'm curious if anyone knows what the purpose of the massive antenna farm
>is near Cutler Maine, which I believe is US Navy.
>
>The past two summers I have spent some time on Grand Manan Island
>(New Brunswick) and have noticed this "farm" on the mainland which
>appears to stretch for a few miles. It clearly visible with the naked eye
>or low powered binoculars.
>
>My guess is that maybe this is used for communication with submerged subs
>(the scale seems about right) other possiblities are some sort of monitoring
>station or possibly HF radar.
>
>For someone who lives in a condo with a covenant restricting antennas,
>this setup seems like "Ham Heaven".
>
>Michael
>VE3WMB
>--
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>+ Michael Babineau, Bell Northern Research +
>+ Ottawa, Ontario, Canada                  +
>+ [e-mail]                          +
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Mike:

It's the remote tx site for NAM Norfolk,VA for all Navy comms.

NAM WEFAX goes thru land lines/sat linkd to be braodcast from there.
Also the encrypted RTTY and voice xmissions from NAM.

RHB ([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:04 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Help - RFI on Television question
Date: 13 Sep 1995 21:14:18 GMT
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J.Monson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Horizontal pale/translucent bars slowly scroll from bottom of
>screen to top.  They are evenly spaced with two per screen.  When
>one of these bars arrives at the top of the screen the TV looses
>its sync and the screen flutters for a .5 seconds then re-syncs.
>Time interval for one bar to reach top of screen about 45 seconds.
>It occurs on all channels 4, 5, 9, 19, 41, 50, 62 here in Kansas
>City.  Is not day/time specific (all the time).
>This is an outdoor antenna site, cable available in neighborhood
>homes.
>
>Also, my xmitting antenna is +/- 20 feet from TV antenna, I've
>been careful about not having TV on when transmitting.
>
>Troubleshooting techniques already accomplished:

[snip]

You might try checking around the neighborhood (couple of blocks radius)
and look for other antennas.  It could someone else's TV antenna preamp
has gone bad.

You mentioned that it happens on all channels (2 up to 62).  It could be
something real close that is going haywire (isn't 45Mhz a typical IF for
a T.V. ?  I don't remember).  Got a neighbor with a 46 MHZ cordless phone
that might be wacked out - as in spurious?

Do you have a VCR that uses the typical RF channels 3 or 4?  You could
hook that up with a good peice of coax and watch a tape for a while.
Does it still happen?  Be sure that you don't have the antenna connected
to the "ant in" port on the VCR - in fact you might to terminate it with
a 75 ohm dummy.

You also mentioned "removed other TV's connected to coax".  Do you have
splitters in the system?  Are all of the ports terminated?  Have you
removed any splitters from the system to check?  The cheap splitter and
cable accesories from places like RS are notorious source of interference
when not checked carefully.  It could just take one loose, non linear
connection to hear your neighbor's baby monitor. :)

It sounds like you have done quite a bit and I can understand your
frustration.  Good luck!



--
Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA




From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:05 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Calling pagers with autopatch?
Date: 14 Sep 1995 18:33:13 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>>   [e-mail] (Jerry Wang) writes:
>>
>>  Another ham told me the other day that calling a pager using autopatch is
>>  illegal.  Is this true?  Some of my ham buddies carry pagers, and
>>  sometimes I page them with the frequency that I want to talk to them on if
>>  I can't find them on a repeater, or if their radio is off.
>>  Jerry Wang (KE6UUX)
>
>
>Sure sounds like a one way auxillary control transmission to me.  Might be
>restricted to 70cm and above.  One thing for sure, it would fall under one
>way transmission rules I believe.
>

Not if it sent via an autopatch.  That would be a two way communication
with another station (the repeater with the patch).  An auxilary station
is a type of control point for a remote controlled amateur station and
would have nothing to do with a paging service accessed by the public
phone network.

It is legal to call a pager via an autopatch, just as much as it is legal
to place a regular phone call.  There are the ususal restrictions on
content and an autopatch call to a pager would be third party traffic as
usual just as any other.

Of course repeater operators can decide what is acceptable and
unaccepatable on their systems and be more restrictive than the FCC.  But
if they are telling you that calling a pager via the patch in general is
illegal - they are incorrect.


--
Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA




From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (SEAN R. STEPANEK)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help program Wilson VHF mobile
Date: 15 Sep 95 21:26:07 -0500
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Hello,
        I just picked up a Wilson (Regency, Relm, whats the differance?) radio
that is 10 chanel.  I have figured out how to program some of it, but am having
difficulties in getting it to have a different TX frequency.

        Here is what I have figured out....

        AAA.AAA BB CC

        A = Freq
        B = options.  00 simplex - 02 PL on TX only - 04 NO TX
        C = PL Tone

If anybody could fill in the blanks I would appreciate it.  I thought it would
be kinda nice to have a few repeaters also with my EMS frequencies.

Thanks for you time....

Sean / N0PBA





From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (JOHN E. ROSENWALD) writes:
>Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: >    Also why the devil should we keep code when technology has made it
>: >obsolete?  Even in third world countries they have voice
>: >communications?
>
>: (Oh, the devil is making me do this.) Voice is the least efficient
>: mode under severe interference or high noise levels. Poor as it
>: is, Morse can be better. Of course there are much better methods
>: than Morse too, but just saying the third world has access to voice
>: technology isn't a good argument. A better argument would be to
>: say the third world has access to better techniques than Morse,
>: which is true. But even that doesn't cut to the heart of matters.
>: Perhaps much of the third world has to carry water from a stream
>: in buckets, but that doesn't mean first or second world people
>: shouldn't use the tap over the sink until they've demonstrated
>: that they too can carry buckets from the stream. Limitations on
>: the third world simply aren't relevant to conditions in the first
>: or second worlds. Universal interoperability is a laudable goal to
>: some, mostly DXers I suspect, but Morse interoperability doesn't
>: require manual methods on *both* ends of the circuit.
>
>Gary, your point would carry more weight if you compared apples to apples.
>What does carrying a bucket of water from a stream have to do with
>amateur radio ?

Obviously it is an analogy comparing primitive methods against more
modern techniques which accomplish the same function.

>The last time I checked, no ships at sea had been saved
>by carrying a bucket of water.

Perhaps you are unaware of the concept called "bailing". :-)

In all phases of life, one must in fact
>prove a reasonable competency at a lower level before moving on to a
>'larger' or 'higher' level.

Is that a fact? Then I suppose you must be able to show mastery of the
hand crank before being allowed to use an electrical self-starter
on an automobile. In fact, the world works in just the opposite way.
The highest levels of technology are usable without demonstrating
competency with functionally identical but more primitive levels of
technology. For example, to code this reply to you I don't have to
work in primitive 1s and 0s, I have a keyboard encoder IC that deals
with such low level codes for me, and it does a better, faster, and
more accurate job of it than I could do manually. Now somewhere
there may be someone at a primitive computer console reading the
ASCII off of a row of front panel lamps and encoding his reply via
toggle switches, but I don't have to know that to communicate
with him. At his low level of technology, he has to demonstrate
skill and speed with manual ASCII, at the higher level of technology
from which I am working, I do not.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way! NOT!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <4399ll$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel) writes:
>"Yeah dad, you needed to know it because they did not have calculators
>when you went to school, but why do I need to know multiplcations
>tables when I can just punch it into the calculator?"
>
>Like everything else, it is the dumbing down of American and people not
>wanting to work for anything.

It doesn't represent a "dumbing down", rather it represents a "wising up"
to partition tasks more efficiently by letting machines do what machines
do best and letting humans do what humans do best. There's nothing "smart"
about being a calculator, simple unthinking mechanisms can do it. What is
dumb is wasting human potential doing rote repetitive things better left
to machines. Humans are left with the harder to mechanize job of interpreting
*meaning* from those figures cranked out by the dumb machine. That still
takes intelligence, and so far we haven't figured out how to instill that
into a machine.

Unfortunately, teachers far too often take the easy way out and call their
job done with the mindless drill drill drill of arthmetic manipulation. They,
at least as much as their students, dread the "word problems" that require
you to actually *think* to find the solution. By concealing the lack of
real learning under a pile of repetitive makework drudgery, they can fool
themselves that they are educating the children in their charge in
mathematics. Nothing could be further from the truth. All they are doing
is turning their students into mindless calculators, poor imitations
of cheap machines. When I was in school, we had a name for this, we
called it "turning the crank" because it took no intelligence, just
rote manipulation of meaningless numbers. Back then calculators were
still mechanical, and had a crank. I expect the current idiom is something
like "punching it out". Both are apt, and are descriptive of the mindless
assembly line nature of the task.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Muller VK1FF/WB2FFY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VK1 QSLs - vk1-buro.txt (1/1)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 13:24:08 GMT
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begin 644 vk1-buro.txt
M0F5L;W<@:7,@82!L:7-T(&]F('-T871I;VYS('=H;R!H879E(&YO="!C;&%I
M;65D('1H96ER#0I14TQS(&9R;VT@=&AE(%9+,2!);F-O;6EN9R!14TP@8G5R
M96%U(&9O<B!O=F5R('1W;R!Y96%R<RX-"D-A<F1S(&9O<B!T:&5S92!S=&%T
M:6]N<R!H879E(&5I=&AE<B!B965N(')E='5R;F5D('1O(`T*=&AE('-E;F1E
M<B!O<B!S96YT('1O('1H92!724$@45-,($-O;&QE8W1I;VXN#0H-"DYO=&4Z
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Muller VK1FF/WB2FFY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VK1 QSLs - vk1-buro.txt (1/1)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 13:29:04 GMT
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Sorry about the mess.......I'll try again later....

[e-mail] (Jim Muller VK1FF/WB2FFY) wrote:

>begin 644 vk1-buro.txt
>M0F5L;W<@:7,@82!L:7-T(&]F('-T871I;VYS('=H;R!H879E(&YO="!C;&%I


etc......





From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Muller VK1FF/WB2FFY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VK1 QSLs
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 13:38:07 GMT
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Below is a list of stations who have not claimed their QSLs from the
VK1 Incoming QSL bureau for over two years. Cards for these stations
have either been returned to the sender or sent to the WIA QSL
Collection.

Note:  VK calls may be issued to another individual if not currently
assigned.  So, current holders of some of the calls below may not be
the same individual who did not claim the forementioned QSLs.
Current callbooks may be of assistance in determining whether a call
has been reissued.

VK1AH           VK1DR           VK1NTW
VK1AMF          VK1DS           VK1NUN
VK1AN           VK1EE           VK1NW
VK1AO           VK1FG           VK1NYD
VK1AP           VK1GM           VK1PBT
VK1AQ *note 1   VK1IBM          VK1PWV
VK1AS           VK1IM           VK1RN
VK1AU *note 2   VK1KA           VK1RX
VK1BB           VK1KAZ          VK1ST
VK1BE           VK1KB           VK1TD
VK1BF           VK1KCB          VK1TK
VK1BL           VK1KED          VK1VW
VK1BM           VK1KF           VK1WT
VK1BQ           VK1KGR          VK1ZC
VK1BS           VK1LF
VK1BUB          VK1MP
VK1CR           VK1NCO
VK1CX           VK1NCX
VK1DE           VK1NEL

Notes:
1.      Believed to have returned to Spain?  (No forwarding Info).
2.      Col does not QSL




73, Jim   VK1FF/WB2FFY

[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Muller VK1FF/WB2FFY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VK1 QSLs - vk1-buro.txt (1/1)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 13:50:37 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jim Muller VK1FF/WB2FFY) wrote:

>begin 644 vk1-buro.txt
>M0F5L;W<@:7,@82!L:7-T(&]F('-T871I;VYS('=H;R!H879E(&YO="!C;&%I

I see that I got the follow-up posting right.......

Still a bit of a novice when it comes to "The Net"

73,  Jim

73, Jim   VK1FF/WB2FFY

[e-mail]
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 17 Sep 1995 15:15:48 GMT
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[e-mail] (JOHNSON WALTER ERIC) wrote:
>
>They don't need to drop the code requirement -- just give everyone
>a choice of which ancient method to use including code, smoke
>signals, and drums.

Hey!  What about those who are still using spark-gap?


-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mazal Rubin)
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Does anyone have the plans for a Norlin Communications SD102 Signal
Display Unit (panadapter).  The power transformer in mine burnt out and I
want to replace it.  Norlin Communications is in Gaithersburgh MD.
(according to the sticker on the unit).  All I need is the transformer
details.

Can anyone help

Thanks

Earl  4Z4TJ

no fancy disclaimers or clever sayings





From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (michael silva)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 17 Sep 1995 16:33:08 GMT
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In <43he34$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew
Durigan) writes:

>Hey!  What about those who are still using spark-gap?
>
They've been breaking the law for well over 60 years now, that's what.
Your point being?...

(You do seem to be fascinated by spark.  You haven't secretly been
playing with old Ford ignition coils, have you?)

Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim)
Subject: Re: announcing The Kenwood TS-870S All-Mode HF
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Does it come with a box to send it back to Kenwood (which reportably has the
worts service of any ham radio manufacture) when it will break.

Robert A. Kile ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Announcing the New Kenwood TS-870S All-Mode HF transceiver with Next
: Generation IF-Stage DSP

: http://www.accessnv.com/kenwood/

--
                                             [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Curry KB2TJQ)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FM Broadcast Subcarrier Receivers
Date: 17 Sep 1995 16:47:18 GMT
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Ed Ellers ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <43dgnt$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Curry KB2TJQ) says:
: >As far as I know, Ramsey made a kit for awhile , i dont  know if they still
: >do.

: Yep -- I bought one last year.  Big mistake -- it's easily swamped by the
: stereo subcarrier, so I wasn't able to get clean SCA
Never bought one myself, but I heard they sucked from more than one person
David
.


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:20 1995
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From: Jeff Miller <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Looking for Icom Z1A Dual Band HT MODS.
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Well, that about says it.  I'm looking for modifications to the
Icom Z1A Dual Band HT.  It is very new to the market, so i think
i'll be hard-pressed for info.  I do know there is a hardware mod
to enable 800 mhz receive.  Right now it shows the numbers, but
does not receive anything.  I'm not looking for cell phone receive,
just 800 mhz business.

Reply here, or mail me at [e-mail]
or contact me through Brokedown Palace BBS  telnet hh-dead.csh.uiuc.edu

Thanks,

Jeff



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BUDDY10)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Friends in ANTARCTICA ?
Date: 17 Sep 1995 20:27:17 -0400
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A couple of weeks ago someone posted a note here saying that he had a
friend that was going down to ANTARCTICA for a couple of months.  Does
anyone have a copy of that note , or know who sent it ?  Contacting
ANTARCTICA is my PRIMARY goal in Ham radio !
Thanks !
Scott Powell
KD6GPV
General since 1995 !


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Ferguson)
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It is TI2CF/H7 in Nicaragua.

73,
Paul  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Norman Zaremba)
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Subject: Re: PHONE TAP: YOU MEAN PHONE PATCH!
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Yes, on WLS AM 890 in Chicago, they consistently admonish callers to turn
their radios down, while they stutter and hesitate as you hear the delayed
audio from the radio into the phone, and so on...

And, all theoretical pontifications aside, I have done this with a reasonable
degree of success.

My voice doesn't drown out the caller because I don't talk directly into the
mouthpiece. It is the low-tech way to go, especially if one doesn't have the
resources to obtain a hybrid, much less a digital delay.

And it's also quite difficult to get feedback, once again verified through
my field trials. The caller has to hold the phone receiver quite close to
the stereo speaker to get feedback.

--
           *** Paul Zaremba - Product Engineering - TDM, Inc. ****
                       Urbana, IL / State College, PA
     RF Devices, Photonics, SCoPTiC, AL/TENS, AV Processing and more....
                          email: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (michael silva)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mensa, and EE; was cw requirements
Date: 18 Sep 1995 00:00:33 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
writes:
>You don't have to do anything, as
>there is no public service, or other value in Mensa.  This is in line
>with most HF hams being "paper hangers."
>
Yet another unfounded slam on "HF hams" (whoever they are).  Seems to
be a growing trend...

>"Working on 13, at 5"
>
Given your attitude above, why?

Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 00:52:52
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In article <43ir1h$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>In article <43i60k$[e-mail]>,
>J. Duffy Beischel <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Most of the people that object to the code are those that are too
>>lazy to learn it.
>Nobody objects to code, just to code testing. And if you haven't
>noticed, a considerable number of us who object to code testing
>have passed the code test and enjoy using it on the air.
>>It's not the perfect mode, but it
>>works the best when conditions are such that NOTHING else will work.
>Most coherent modes will beat the socks off of A1. When you say
>"NOTHING else will work", I assume you are speaking about the
>equipment you own. Nothing else is working tonight on 10m. Guess
>what? A1 "works the best"? Nope, it doesn't work at all at the
>moment. Why do you guys keep saying that CW "works the best"
>when "Nothing else will work" knowing all the while that it just
>isn't true?
>73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)

You made your point, now get on with your life...




From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:26 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mensa, and EE; was cw requirements
Date: 18 Sep 1995 03:48:30 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Steve Sampson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>As far as Mensa, I think so too.  Mensa membership means you get a
>piece of paper to hang on the wall.  You don't have to do anything, as
>there is no public service, or other value in Mensa.

Hi Steve, actually the Mensa test is harder for most folks
than all the ham tests combined and you do have to put forth
considerable effort to take and pass the test. Mensa is a
very public spirited organization with one or more functions
almost every day in the Phoenix area alone which are open to
the public. I'm sorry you consider even the Mensa ham radio SIG
to be without value.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Sandy Lynch)
Subject: Re: KP2N on CNN
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: The voice of "Ron Hall, Ham Radio Operator," of course, belongs to
      ^^^^^
: KP2N, who should be very familiar to anyone who operates on RTTY
: contests.

That's a pretty good trick ...... so, Ron doesn't even need a
multi-mode controller to run RTTY ... he just warbles his voice??? ;-)

I couldn't help it ......  ;-)

Cheers
Sandy
WA6BXH
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:28 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 18 Sep 1995 04:02:57 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation, Chandler, AZ
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Distribution: world
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Originator: [e-mail]

In article <43i60k$[e-mail]>,
J. Duffy Beischel <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Most of the people that object to the code are those that are too
>lazy to learn it.

Nobody objects to code, just to code testing. And if you haven't
noticed, a considerable number of us who object to code testing
have passed the code test and enjoy using it on the air.

>It's not the perfect mode, but it
>works the best when conditions are such that NOTHING else will work.

Most coherent modes will beat the socks off of A1. When you say
"NOTHING else will work", I assume you are speaking about the
equipment you own. Nothing else is working tonight on 10m. Guess
what? A1 "works the best"? Nope, it doesn't work at all at the
moment. Why do you guys keep saying that CW "works the best"
when "Nothing else will work" knowing all the while that it just
isn't true?

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:29 1995
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From: Greg Pool <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How do you answer?
Date: 18 Sep 1995 04:24:33 GMT
Organization: Redshift Online Service
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References: <[e-mail]> <42rt29$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: red225.redshift.com

Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> In a disaster, most times ham radio is a disaster.
>

As usual, you are empirically wrong, Burt Fisher.  Amateur Radio is
a source for truly selfless acts of kindness during the worst of
times.  For more information, read:

Pool, G.B., 1993, "Iniki and the Red Cross," Worldradio, June, p. 1.


Greg Pool WH6DT
ARES Emergency Coordinator
Monterey, California


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:30 1995
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From: Greg Pool <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How do you answer?
Date: 18 Sep 1995 04:25:19 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> In a disaster, most times ham radio is a disaster.
>

As usual, you are empirically wrong, Burt Fisher.  Amateur Radio is
a source for truly selfless acts of kindness during the worst of
times.  For more information, read:

Pool, G.B., 1993, "Iniki and the Red Cross," Worldradio, June, p. 1.


Greg Pool WH6DT
ARES Emergency Coordinator
Monterey, California


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Buckmaster, Amsoft, QRZ! comparison
Date: 18 Sep 1995 06:19:54 GMT
Organization: Pacific Bell, ESAC
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Jim Lowman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I just bought the latest version of the QRZ! CD-ROM, and am curious if it is
>worth the price to get either/both of the Buckmaster or Amsoft CD-ROMs?
>
>How much duplication, other than the callbook, is there among these three
>products?
>
On the Web version of these two, I noticed that although the QRZ database
returns the ham's e-mail address (if he has submitted it), The Buckmaster
database includes the person's grid square (to six characters), latitude,
longitude, area code, county, and hours past GMT.

BTW, the most current info is at the U of Arkansas web server:
http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html
It is updated daily.

-73, John


--
___________________________________________________________________________
John A Minger    KE6DTC          Opinions expressed are those of the author
Los Angeles, CA                  and not those of anyone or anything else.


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:32 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HF Propagation Forecasting Software for Windows?
Date: 18 Sep 95 06:42:06 GMT
Organization: ucsd usenet gateway
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: [e-mail]

************* HF PROPAGATION FORECASTING SOFTWARE??? ***************

I am interested in acquiring an HF propagation forecasting application to
carry with me on my laptop PC.  I have seen "MiniProp", which appears to be
accurate, but is a text-oriented MS-DOS program.  I'd like to get something
that is truly a Windows oriented application and has a little better user
interface.  One feature that I would like to see is: for a particular
station location, time, and solar flux, a map of the world showing me what
countries are likely to have statistically good paths with each country
being colored indicating each different amateur band.

I have seen the ad for the Collins propagation forecasting software in
magazines recently, but it appears to be a plain DOS application as well.
Has anyone a recommendation for an HF propagation forecasting application
that they have used and liked (or disliked)?  Please drop comments to:
[e-mail].

Thanks.

John...
WB4LNM
17 September 95
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:33 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VK9XA Confirmation Info Needed
Date: 18 Sep 95 06:49:02 GMT
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*******************  VK9XA Info Wanted ************************************

Day before yesterday, I worked VK9XA on 15 meters while here in the Pacific
(KH6-land).  Seems as if he was on a DXpedition.  I'm not normally a dx'er,
but would like to get a card from this station.  Does anyone have an
address and info on how to confirm the contact?  Where was he, anyway? I
did not want to interrupt his pileup to ask. Please reply to:

        [e-mail]

Thanks and 73

John...

************************************************************************



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas J. Farish)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Operating 2m in south Caribbean
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 10:06:21 -0600
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Hi,

My wife and I are going on a cruise to the southern Caribbean and I'd like
to know what is involved in operating my 2m HT while we're down there.  I
know I need to get permission from the cruise line to operate while aboard
ship, but what do I need from the following island/nations:  Barbados,
Martinique, St. Maartens (Neth.), Antigua, St. Johns & St. Thomas (USVI),
and Puerto Rico?

Would someone provide a list of some of the more popular repeater
frequencies
down there?

BTW, the only contacts I've had with Hams in the southern Caribbean was HF
to Montserrat and the British and US Virgin Islands.

Thanks for any info!  73

tjf

PS.  Yes, I know that most of the islands have been blown to splinters by
hurricanes Luis and Marilyn, but hey, I want to be there when the volcano
on Montserrat goes up!

<8^()

--
Thomas J. Farish, KJ5LT
[e-mail]

I don't speak for LANL and they don't speak for me.

PGP public key available upon request


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Guy Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radiogram to St. Thomas
Date: 18 Sep 1995 11:16:33 GMT
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In article <43g55n$ibe$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>I am a woefully inactive and inexperienced ham who would like to
>make contact with a close friend on St. Thomas, as all phone
>service will be unavailable for awhile.  Are there nets I can
>use, any suggestions are welcome.  I live in New York and own
>only a 2 meter HT.

Blair, find a HAM in your area that is active in the National Traffic
System (NTS).  These HAMs will send some health and welfare traffic to
the individual that you are trying to reach.  I sent some health and
welfare traffic to ST. Thomas through one of these HAMs for a co-worker
of mine who is from there and could not reach his family.  The
frequency to monitor the net is 14325 khz around 7:00 pm CDT I think.
Good Luck. Guy Jackson KC5CWS



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:37 1995
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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mensa, and EE; was cw requirements
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 95 12:01:49 GMT
Organization: Microvest Limited, London
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And I though Mensa was a self-help group for under-achievers.

--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Roehrig)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: USN antenna farm In Cutler, ME.
Date: 18 Sep 95 13:48:44 GMT
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The system is US Navy and the call sign is NAA. They used to be on
17.8 kHz but the last I heard they are now on around 24 kHZ. They
operate FSK (RTTY) but it is synchronous and encrypted so uncopyable.
Last I knew they ran about 2 Megawatts. The purpose is to xmit to
subs.

There are several other similar stations like that operating below
100 kHz.

Boy, would I like to try that antenna farm out on 160 meters!
If you drive up to the gate at the antenna site, there is an aerial
view if the antenna system on a large display board. The towers are
just supports for a wire antenna system. You can see the pulleys
and insulators easily from the fence.

Also, farther up north in Maine, is one of the LORAN stations (100 kHz).
It is listed as the Caribou site, but is East of the town of Caribou,
roughly west of Andover, N.B. They have 4 rather tall towers supporting
a big "X" shaped wire antenna, fed at the center of the X with a single
wire (in other words, a vertical with a hugh capacity hat). They run
several hundred KW. The coast guard personnell are glad to give you
a tour of the place.

There are a couple of sites in Maine for the over - the - horizon radar
system (our version of the "Russian Woodpecker", I guess). Have not
been to those sites in my travels (yet).

de K9EUI (formerly /1 in Caribou, ME.)



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (William J Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 18 Sep 1995 14:03:38 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa USA
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Message-ID: <43ju7q$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <43i60k$[e-mail]> <43ir1h$[e-mail]> <43jp6q$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: las3.iastate.edu

In article <43jp6q$[e-mail]>,
J. Duffy Beischel <[e-mail]> wrote:

>You can't check somebody's proficency in something unless you conduct a
>test.

The question still remains: why check proficiency in morse code at all?
--
Weuchsowagan                    "The greatest mistake you can make
William J Turner, N0RDV          in this life is to be continually
[e-mail]                  fearing you will make one."
                                                --Elbert Hubbard


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Westcm)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NEED MANUAL HEATHKIT SB-634
Date: 18 Sep 1995 14:22:42 -0400
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Subject: NEED MANUAL HEATHKIT SB-634
From: [e-mail]
Date: 5 Sep 1995 20:12:36 -0400
Message-ID: <42ip1k$[e-mail]>

Need a copy of the the above referenced manual.

Claude/AC6N . . .email, [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (hamilton on BIX)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Buckmaster, Amsoft, QRZ! comparison
Date: 18 Sep 95 14:25:23 GMT
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[e-mail] (John Minger) writes:

>The Buckmaster
>database includes the person's grid square (to six characters), latitude,
>longitude, area code, county, and hours past GMT.

Yes, BUT....   Apparently, the latitude and longitude and the resulting
grid square calculation are based just on zip code or something like that.
So their precision far exceeds their accuracy.  For example, my true
location is 42 deg 20' 56" N (42.348889 deg N), 71 deg 23' 53" W
(71.398056 deg W), giving a grid square of FN42HI.  (This based on
surveyor's maps at the town engineering office.)  But Buckmaster
has me listed as 42.3835 N, 71.4286 W, grid sq FN42GJ.

So while they give 6 digits for lat/long and 6 for the grid sq, they're
really only good to about 3 digits on lat/long and 4 for the grid sq.

Regards,
Doug Hamilton  KD1UJ  [e-mail]  Ph 508-440-8307  FAX [phone]
Hamilton Laboratories, 21 Shadow Oak Drive, Sudbury, MA  01776-3165, USA


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Flora)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: user of antennal tuner (unusual)
Date: 18 Sep 1995 15:03:26 GMT
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Summary: mod broken rig finals tuned circuit to replace with antenna tuner.
Keywords: antenna tuner.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1.1]

I have a swan 350 that has a broken band select switch which selects
taps off a coil to impediance match the antenna to rig (I think). The
rotary switch handles all the power out of the finals on its way to
this network and then out the PL-259 connector. I am having a very hard
time finding a replacement switch. The switch is located in a tight
location, so modification is difficult. Its also not a good design
and I believe that even if I fix it, I'll have the problem again someday.

Over the weekend, I had the thought of simply hard wiring the finals to the
PL259 connector and purchasing a antenna tuner to do the same job. The switch
and associated circuitry would no longer be used, but instead, take the output
just past the coupling cap and feed it to the PL259 connector. That, in turn,
would feed the antenna tuner.

A couple of questions for you technical wizzards?

1) Will this work?? Is the tuning circuits just to match the finals
   impediance to the antenna?

2) What about noise? Does the tuned circuits also serve as a band pass
   to suppress unwanted output?

3) Possible things I,m overlooking?????????????????????

The rig will do 350 watts (according to the book).

                                              Steve Flora
                                                 KC7JSC
                                            Middleton, Idaho


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 37th Annual J.O.T.A.
Date: 18 Sep 1995 15:09:39 GMT
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Well fellow hams, it is that time of year again.  This year will be the
37th Annual J.O.T.A. (Jamboree On The Air) for the International Scouting
and Guides of the world.  This includes scouts in America form the Tiger
Cubs of Cub Scouts up to and including Explorer Scouts at age 21.
        Do you know anyone who is involved in Scouting?  Do they know you
are a HAM OPERATOR?  This is an opportunity to advance OUR hobby by
creating interest in youth.  400,000 scouts world wide get together on
amateur radio with the help of HAMS throughout the world.
        Take some time and locate the local scouts.  After you see the response
that the scouting organization gives you I am sure that you'll wonder why
you never did this before.  Better yet, turn Oct 21 & 22nd into your clubs
2nd field day of the year and invite the scouts to help and be part of it.
        Our club, Fox River Radio League, in northern Illinois sponsors an
Amateur Radio Explorer Post.  The post is going all out to have as many
scouts visit out field setup as possible for the JOTA.  We have code
oscillators, antenna projects, procedure and orientation talks.  The scout
will do the logging and the job of filling out QSL cards for their contacts.
        This year at the World Jamboree we had the motto
                                "The Future Is Now"
and this can be true for your radio club as well.  Getting the average age
down can add life to you group.  How many of you out in cyber land as well
as on the bands would have become HAMS at a young age IF you were exposed
to the hobby?
couts to work with.
        For those of you with General or higher licenses, you will find a lot
of scout activity around 14.290 during JOTA.

                                Mike Urso KB9KFE
                                EA Explorer Post 272
                                Fox River Radio League



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ARuss36461)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Operating 2m in south Caribbean
Date: 18 Sep 1995 15:53:32 -0400
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I didn't know that you need permission from the cruise line. I was going
to go that region on Carnival in December. Good luck on the cruise.
Avery


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Date: 18 Sep 1995 17:19:43 GMT
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Please respect the followup-to line.

In article <43i60k$[e-mail]>,
J. Duffy Beischel <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Most of the people that object to the code are those that are too lazy
>to learn it.

CRAP. (Cite references and proof.) Otherwise, this is an opinion, and should
be prefaced with "I think".

>             I use to cirticize the code, but that was when I was also
>too lazy to learn it.

So Duffy Beischel is isomorphic to all hams. I was feeling particularly
ill-informed today, it must be my turn to be the argument to the Duffy-map.

>                      But I finally buckled down, worked hard at
>learning it, and I passed the test.  It's not the perfect mode, but it
>works the best when conditions are such that NOTHING else will work.

You really are clueless, aren't you? Read the QST article a few months back
where (I think it was) Steve Ford described receiving digital signals he
couldn't hear.

Feh!

>Duffy - WB8NUT

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn C. Masters)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way! NOT!
Date: 18 Sep 1995 18:04:17 GMT
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J. Duffy Beischel ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
: Coffman) writes:

: A machine cannot be taught to do something unless a human programs how
: to do it first.  You can't "teach" a machine to do something if you do
: not know how to do it yourself.

        Before you make that claim I would look at much of what is
currently being done in AI and ALife.  Nueral nets can learn from a
correct set of samples(making a mapping for the transform based on a
small but representative set), GAs can find solutions for problems in
places we would not look, and expert systems and fuzzy logic can infer
complex prediction/control based on a small set of rules and continued grading
of preformance.  Many of these are cases where we don't know how to do these
things ourselves, but we know what we want.  These activities can be
accuratly described as machine learning, or training.

: In communications I am sure your are referring to modern digital
: methods being better than CW.  In some cases this is true.  However,
: modern digital methods assume that there is a constantly good signal.
: When the signal is poor, modern digital methods usually do not work.
: This is where CW plays a roll.

        OOK (CW as you call it) is a digital mode.  It has the same error
properties as non coherent, binary FSK, which is one of the worst digital
modes for getting through noise.  By going to a coherent M-ary encoding,
with time diverstiy, coding, and error detection of discrete units of
data, communications can get through when the presence of OOK would not
even be noticed.  In the worst case, straight FSK with coding can
preform better then OOK using Morse coding.

: To look at another situation, digital machines are very susceptive to
: destruction in the event of electronic warfare.  How will digital
: methods work when the equipment fails?  Farfetched?  Look at your own
: tagline, "you make it we break it."  Don't you think an enemy of a
: country looks to break that country's communication system?  Maybe, but
: if ham radio is supposed to be the backup communications backbone for
: countries around the world, then isn't it advisable for amateur
: operators to possess a skill that may be needed just in case?

        The military has systems designed to survive the loss of the
upper atmosphere and still communicate.  Do you really think that amatuer
radio will operate, or even be in existance, when these systems are needed
or fail?
        As far as natural disaster goes, digital equipment is more robust
then RF devices these days.  Tubes break, PA transistors die due to over
voltage (High VSWR or static), but most digital equipment is thick field
protected and very forgiving.

: Amateur Radio is not just a hobby for us to use only as a chat medium.
: Radio spectrum is too valuable for that.  If we are not willing to keep
: the skills necessary to maintain amateur radio as a resource for all
: countries to use if and when needed, then why keep spectrum tied up
: with this hobby?

        I believe one reason is to advance the radio art.  Another is to
improve the skills of the operator/technician pool.  These aren't exact,
but they are implied by part 97.  I don't see how CW operation helps
either one.

        73,
                Shawn
                KE4GHS


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Childers)
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Subject: Re: Standard C508A
Date: 18 Sep 1995 19:14:03 GMT
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I have one too, and I think that it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Where I live (Santa Clara Valley) I can hit 3 repeaters from my house, and 5
repeaters from work!  I don't use it as my primary radio, but I carry it more
often than my Yaesu FT51R just 'cause its smaller... and I haven't had to
change batteries since I bought it in July.
Bill




From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James Warren Price)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help with FCC rules: Is table available?
Date: 18 Sep 1995 19:21:51 GMT
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John A. Sutliff ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I am studying to get a tech plus licence and have acquired much
: excellent study info ( including Part 97 ) from "the net".  One topic
: of importance is the emmision types, allowed frquencies, and allowed
: transmitted power for the diffferent classes.  This is all covered in
: Part 97 (.301 to .313), but it is not in a single easy to read table.
: I guess it would be excellent study to make such a table, but I would
: welcome and appreciate someone else's work.  Anybodu out there have an
: easy to read table with all that information?

One of the study guides designed for getting your license will be much
easier to work from and more helpful than Part 97.  I recommend the ARRL
series because they actually teach you the info, as opposed to some
others that only teach you how to pick the right answers to pass the test
but leave you clueless later.

Good Luck.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Price, ARS N3QYE                         Don't blame me.
[e-mail]                  I voted for Emma Goldman.



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin C. Hess)
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Subject: FS: SM-4100 Frequency Counter (50 Mhz)
Date: 18 Sep 1995 20:22:28 GMT
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Heathkit/Schlumberger SM-4100 Frequency Counter.  No manual, missing handle.
Checked and is operating corectly.  Counts to 50 Mhz.  5 digit display.

Price: $45.00 (shipping included)

This is a good portable counter for use in the field or on the bench.

If interested, e-mail me at:  [e-mail]

-Kevin


The statements/opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the
Hewlett-Packard Company.  HP paid a research firm millions of dollars to
get their own opinions, and has made it clear they do not wish to share mine.

Kevin C. Hess (KB7UKR)               Hewlett-Packard Network Printer Division
[e-mail]                      [phone]   Boise, Idaho  83704


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Newkirk)
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Subject: New ARRL HQ World Wide Web Service Now Online
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 20:51:32 GMT
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Monday, September 18, 1995
Newington, Connecticut

For further information, contact:
David Newkirk, WJ1Z
[e-mail]

NEW ARRL HEADQUARTERS WORLD WIDE WEB SERVICE NOW ONLINE

The American Radio Relay League is pleased to announce the startup of
ARRLWeb, your League's new HQ-based World Wide Web site, at the URI

http://www.arrl.org/

ARRLWeb will serve as an essential Internet resource for active hams,
carrying ARRL news; details on upcoming hamfests, conventions and
Amateur Radio examinations; the ARRL Publications catalog; information
of ARRL membership benefits and services; and more.

In inaugurating this new service, the League thanks Scott Ehrlich,
WY1Z, and the other Boston Amateur Radio Club volunteers who've worked
since December 1994 to keep ARRL up and coming on the Web via the ARRL
home page they installed and ongoingly maintained at oak.oakland.edu.
Their volunteerism helped show us that upgrading our Internet
connection to a level that allowed on-campus Web service would be
essential to ARRL's mission of serving Amateur Radio.

Your comments, criticism and suggestions on how to make ARRLWeb bigger
and better are *essential* to its ongoing success, so please drop by
and say hello!

73,

David Newkirk (WJ1Z)
ARRL Webmaster
ARRLWeb: http://www.arrl.org/
email: [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 18 Sep 1995 20:57:19 GMT
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In <43ju7q$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (William J
Turner) writes:
>
>In article <43jp6q$[e-mail]>,
>J. Duffy Beischel <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>You can't check somebody's proficency in something unless you conduct
a
>>test.
>
>The question still remains: why check proficiency in morse code at
all?

Because CW is a skill that every amateur needs for reserve purposes.
If you want to argue testing, why conduct a test of anything to get an
amateur license?  Do you really need to know about digital methods if
you are never going to be using them?  Should you know the safe way to
erect an antenna if you are going to pay someone to erect it for you?
Should you need to be tested on anything technical if you only goal in
life is to be an applicance operator?  How absurd do you want to make
the argument?

Regards,

Duffy - WB8NUT


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Erik K.Sorgatz)
Subject: Re: How do you answer?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <43jh6h$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>And Mark Fuhrman is the champion of blacks, Jews etc (along with Ruthie
>AA2IO)
>

and what, if anything, does this have to do with Amateur Radio? Burt, they used to
counsel me almost weekly about keeping my mouth shut, they told me I was becomming
a disservice to the service...Watching this spew from you, I'm beginning to see, if
only from a different angle, what they were talking about. Would you mind very much
taking this racial diatribe to /dev/null or 'alt.flame.racism'??

PLEASE?

73!

[e-mail] (or:[e-mail]) KB6LUY *Eliminate net-spam & cascades!*
TTI 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA  90405    +------------------------------+
(THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED DO NOT REFLECT THE VIEWS OF TTI, CITICORP OR ITS MANAGEMENT!)
(This material Copyright 1995, ARR-permission to store/archive hereby granted)


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Emarit Ranu)
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Subject: ACARS monitoring?
Date: 18 Sep 1995 21:49:56 GMT
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        The October QST, page 61, had a Q&A on the ACARS system.  This
        is new to me, as I am sure many others.  Does anyone know if
        there exists any simple methods of decoding the info via standard
        (or non-standard) equipment?  If so, I am sure many people
        (including myself) would like to have the info!

        Thanks!

--
        -Emarit  73's   [e-mail]

        KG0CQ          _._  __.  _____  _._.  __._

        Packet:         KG0CQ@KF0UW.#NECO.USA.NOAM


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 49MHz talkie tweeked up to 6 meters?
Date: 18 Sep 1995 22:13:17 GMT
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  Talked to a guy last night that said he once took one of those
>cheapy walkie-talkies on 49MHz and put in a new xmit crystal and
>tweeked the receiver up to 6 meters.
>
>  Hmmm. . . Anybody else ever do this?
>
>  Does it sound likely?

Possible, but why would anybody bother?  All you would end up with is a
radio that is capable of transmitting simplex-only on a single 6-meter
frequency with a power output of 100Mw or less.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:56 1995
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From: Geoff Caplan <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: St. Thomas, V.I. after Hurricane Marilyn
Date: 18 Sep 1995 22:16:39 GMT
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We have information that some cellular phine service is still
operational outbound. In addition, people are being evacuated
by Army vehicles and there is some ham radio transmission
capability.

Please post any news or information directly to:

http://www.icanect.net/thomas



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:57 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: WHY WHY WHY!
Date: 18 Sep 1995 22:20:16 GMT
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WHY! the continued "code-nocode " arguement.
I see more listings "by the same people" every day.
If you no-code folks "really" want to do something about it, tell the ARRL, & the FCC how you feel.
STOP, annoying evrey one on the INTERNET, with your plattitudes.
In other words "TELL IT TO SOMEONE THAT GIVES A SHIT!!"




From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:58 1995
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Join us on 7.235 mhz at 10 AM CDT sundays, for the "RADIO SWAP NET".
                                                                               Matt/KK5DR (net control)



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:50:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Karlquist)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FM Broadcast Subcarrier Receivers
Date: 18 Sep 1995 22:27:18 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
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In article <43hjem$[e-mail]>,
David Curry KB2TJQ <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Ed Ellers ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: In article <43dgnt$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Curry KB2TJQ) says:
>: >As far as I know, Ramsey made a kit for awhile , i dont  know if they still
>: >do.
>
>: Yep -- I bought one last year.  Big mistake -- it's easily swamped by the
>: stereo subcarrier, so I wasn't able to get clean SCA

Not the stereo subcarrier (at 19 kHz.) but the stereo program material.

>Never bought one myself, but I heard they sucked from more than one person
>David

It is non-trivial to build a good SCA receiver when the radio station
takes heavy metal rock and roll, converts it to a square wave, and then
sends it out as program material.  First of all, you need a bunch of
pass band filtering centered on the SCA frequency (67 kHz. or whatever).
It's about 20 dB.  down.  Compared to the "program" material.  Secondly,
you need a low distortion receiver.  Third, you need to make sure you
don't have distortion problems in any buffer amplifer you use to
get the non-deemphasized baseband output out of the receiver
into the SCA box.  Fourth, you have to make sure you have low
multipath distortion and/or a receiver with a good capture
ratio and AM suppression to make it less susceptible to multipath.
Finally, the radio station needs to have low splatter into the
SCA band.  There are many things that can cause this splatter, all of
which have to be watched out for by the station's "engineer" (using the
word "engineer" loosely).

Then there is the 57 kHz. RDS problem.  If the radio station uses that, you need
some really fancy filtering.  Also, some stations have another SCA at
92 kHz.  Of course you're not supposed to be homebrewing any of
this stuff anyway, as SCA is not a "broadcast" :-)

Rick Karlquist N6RK
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (William C. Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 49MHz talkie tweeked up to 6 meters?
Date: 19 Sep 1995 00:18:37 -0400
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Use a baby monitor re-xtaled as a cheep way to get on 6. My friend is
useing a setup like this. When the local repeater gang brangs to him about
there hi dollar gear. He laughs and comes back with the fact he is on a
Fisher-Price. :O
--
Sgt. Bill Thompson / KC4ZUB             <0>             [e-mail]
Georgia Tech Police Dept. Atlanta GA.   <0>   The Olympic Village Police Dept.
    Money buys things, Power makes things happen. Given a choice, always
    take Power.-->Roger Zelazny         <0>     LOOK, I AM THE DAMN NRA!


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
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Subject: WHY WHY WHY!
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In article <43krb0$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  > WHY! the continued "code-nocode " arguement.
  > I see more listings "by the same people" every day.
  > If you no-code folks "really" want to do something about it, tell the ARRL, &  >  the FCC how you feel.
  > STOP, annoying evrey one on the INTERNET, with your plattitudes.
  > In other words "TELL IT TO SOMEONE THAT GIVES A SHIT!!"

  Another planet heard from.


;--
;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
;
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:02 1995
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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JWE>mu.edu>
JWE>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
JWE>Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX

JWE>They don't need to drop the code requirement -- just give everyone
JWE>a choice of which ancient method to use including code, smoke
JWE>signals, and drums.

The above is obviously written by a VERY intelligent protozoa!
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ We will not trade with businesses that do not post prices



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:03 1995
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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JL>tanet.com>
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JL>Organization: Delta Internet Services, Anaheim, CA

JL>The usage of the CW requirement as a way to weed out non serious potential
JL>hams is useless.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion, however erroneous it may be!
I think that the truth is somewhere in between. The code requirement,
along with theory testing probably DOES filter out a considerable
number of numbskulls who might otherwise pollute the ham bands, but
like I said, you are entitled to your opinion.

JL>We occupy valuable spectrum.  The only way we can justify
JL>this occupation is to prove our worth through technical development and
JL>public service.

But you can't actually DO that until you have a license. It sounds like
you are saying that we must provide Emergency Comms to prove that
we deserve a license instead of showing code proficiency.
That is going to be hard! Face it. Most hams do not get into the
hobby so that they can do E.C.s

JL>Holding on to antiquated modes as part of the exam process
JL>does not further the Amateur Service

Neither does the CONSTANT dail stupid moaning and criticism of
code by all of these non-ops like yourself on here!

JL>(remember it is a service first, and
JL>hobby second).

Maybe in some other country, but not according to FCC rules here.

JL>Why not make the theory portions more demanding.  Maybe something
JL>about digital signal processing or spread spectrum technology?

WHy does the average ham need to know ANYTHING about these?
Almost no one uses spread spectrum. I am not even sure that it is
allowed for hams. DSP is a box that helps your rig. SO what?

JL>The biggest problem we face is the loss of our spectrum.
JL>Why not center our certification on this fact, and proceed accordingly?

JL>Jeff, KD6DHB

Jeff, are you saying that we need to make it part of the theory test to
ask prospective hams to answer questions about which portions of
the amateur spectrum are under fire from commercial interests?
What an unusual idea!

73 - Brian, AF4K
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Watts)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RE Tower Physics
Date: 19 Sep 1995 10:03:07 -0600
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Apologies to the origional poster, but our news software isn't very
friendly when it comes to finding old articles ;-).

The question concerned a Rohn 48' tower on a hinged base.  The tower weight
is 400 pounds, it rests on a mound such that the top is ten feet above the
ground.  There is a ten foot tall beam imbedded in concrete ten feet from
the base of the tower (I'm assuming the beam is directly opposite the
direction the tower hinges and doesn't flex much).  The owner wants to pull
the tower upright using the beam as a pulley point (ten feet up, ten feet
away).

A little geometry and mechanics tells me the initial force on the cable is
about 1,970 lbs and will decrease as the tower is pulled vertical, assuming
no wind.

As for the beam holding while this is happening, don't ask me, I haven't
seen it in person, nor do I have the experience to tell if it'll hold.

I'd get the whole thing checked and OK'ed by a local Professional Engineer,
just in case something happens someday.

Galen, KF0YJ






From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian J. Pennebaker)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Info needed on new rigs out
Date: 19 Sep 1995 12:08:16 GMT
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Keywords: Looking for any info on the latest rigs out. Like:

Ft-1000MP (compared to Ft1000)
TS 870

Has anyone tried these rigs out. How do they compare?  Please
email me at above address.


73,


Brian N8RPA



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel)
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Subject: Re: cw requirements
Date: 19 Sep 1995 12:59:51 GMT
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(In reference to CW)
>.....interest.  Morse code simply should not be a litmus test.  If
anything
>should, technical competence should be emphasized!  There's a novel
>thought...
>
>--
>Paul S. George ([e-mail])


The problem with today's "technical test" is that you only have to
memorize the answers.  Memorization is not technical competence.  I
don't know of anyone that has memorized a CW test.  At least when you
pass a CW test it shows you have competence in something.  Passing the
other technical test shows that your competence is memorization.

So if you want to call it a litmus test, fine.  At least when someone
has to work for something, they are not as inclined to abuse it.  In
that regard, CW then serves a very important function.  You have to
work to pass the CW test.

Kindest Regards,

Duffy - WB8NUT


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 19 SEP 95 13:32:46
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In article <43k9nf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman) writes...
>You really are clueless, aren't you? Read the QST article a few months back
>where (I think it was) Steve Ford described receiving digital signals he
>couldn't hear.

Oh, you mean the one where he describes receiving "sentence fragments"?
Yep, certainly better than inaudible CW, but he never did tell us whether he
could have held a QSO... doesn't really sound like it.

-Tom R.   N1OOQ   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Hanavin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Death of Ham Radio
Date: 19 Sep 1995 15:04:36 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Mark Monninger <[e-mail]> wrote:
>All you people out there whining about no-code bringing about the death of ham
>radio better pay attention to the real threat. Quoting from the recent
>Newsline article about the cutbacks of the FCC budget:


You know what they say; "The least government is the best government".


>
>" ... For ham radio failure to get the FCC its full funding could
>mean an end to all services including routine regulatory changes
>and any enforcement action.  On a longer range outlook, such deep
>funding cuts could lead the FCC to deregulate Amateur Radio and
>other personal radio services in the same way as the agency
>deregulated Class D citizens radio almost two decades ago. ... "
>

Deregulating the citzens radio was the best thing they could have done.
It was way out of hand, when they were trying to regulate it.


Chuck (WB3FJJ)



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From: [e-mail] (Rick)
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Subject: SWAP & SHOP NET NJ/PA/NY
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Hi,There is a swap & shop net on the 147.375 repeater held every
Thursday evening after the 8pm Cherryville Repeater Assoc. ARES/RACES
net. Please feel free to check in and see what's for sale or swap.
73
Rick
N3MHW



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (JOHN E. ROSENWALD)
Subject: Re: Death of Ham Radio
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Mark Monninger ([e-mail]) wrote:
: All you people out there whining about no-code bringing about the death of ham
: radio better pay attention to the real threat. Quoting from the recent
: Newsline article about the cutbacks of the FCC budget:

: " ... For ham radio failure to get the FCC its full funding could
: mean an end to all services including routine regulatory changes
: and any enforcement action.  On a longer range outlook, such deep
: funding cuts could lead the FCC to deregulate Amateur Radio and
: other personal radio services in the same way as the agency
: deregulated Class D citizens radio almost two decades ago. ... "

: I'm sorely tempted to make some remarks about all the right-wingers who voted
: in all those bozos (Phil Gramm is behind this), but I won't...

: Mark   AA7TA

Unfortunately, everyone is going to hurt when the budgets get cut.  Yet,
the whole country is screaming that they want a balanced budget.  Cutbacks
are fine as long as they are someone else's cutbacks.  Don't take my
pork away from me.  If it was only the right-wingers who voted, then there
must be only right-wingers in this country, true ?  Because as we all know,
every single citizen in this country votes.  Democracy was served at the
last election.

73  John
--
  +-----------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
  | John E. Rosenwald     | It is devastating to think that God will have |
  | [e-mail]  | you spend eternity with people that you won't |
  | Amateur Radio: NM3P   | even speak to right now.                      |


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dale Mosby)
Subject: Want cordless phone recommendation
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 95 16:55:38 GMT
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I would like to add a cordless phone to our house.
Requirements are that it scramble in some way such that
conversations cannot be eaisly intercepted with scanner.
I'm guessing that this means digital or spread spectrum.
I would like good audio quallity.  Having easily replaced
ni-cads would be great.

And what would be *really* nice is to have it not be affected
by 100 watts of CW or 500 watts SSB from an antenna 50 feet away.

Any hams that have found a good cordless phone such as this?

Thanks.  73, Dale  N7PEX

--
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Hollenback)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CQP programs, the address
Date: 19 Sep 1995 17:09:04 GMT
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I forgot to add the IP address of maspar.maspar.com. It is 192.84.231.1

Happy ftp'ing.

73, Jim, WA6SDM
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Morse Testing (Yes/No?)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:17:03 GMT
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[e-mail] (Dave van De Kerk) wrote:

>Date: 12 Sep 1995 17:17:19 GMT
>From:
>Subject: Drop Code? Yes way!

>Drew In Charlotte ([e-mail], Drew Durigan) wrote

>>DD>How many of those oldtimers who can copy CW
<large snip in consideration of bandwidth>

But wouldn't it be clever if we tested for the privileges you want?
That is, if you want to work CW and have privileges in the CW part of
the band, you are tested on CW.  If you want phone privileges, then
the theory and maybe even a practical test on how to tune up a SSB rig
so you don't splatter 50 kc in every direction might be a good idea.

Aviation has done this for years.  Just because I've got a commercial
airplane ticket doesn't let me fly balloon passengers for money.  I've
gotta have a balloon rating on the paperwork.

For years I've tried to promote the idea of a "point" system for
amateur  licenses might not be a bad idea.  Pick and choose enough
exam questions for, say, 50 points and you get a novice.  100 points
and you get a tech and so on.  No takers.  Sigh.

Oh, well, all we can do is try.

Jim


> -----------------
> David P. van De Kerk             Manager, Systems Integration
> American Turnkey                 Santa Ana, CA USA
> 714-557-9050 x-207 voice         714-557-9056 FAX   [e-mail]
> KE6GXD



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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:14 1995
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From: Geoff Caplan <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: St. Thomas, USVI after Hurricane Marilyn
Date: 19 Sep 1995 17:21:18 GMT
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We have set up an information page for messages, information
about survivors, etc. on St. Thomas. We're also trying to
determine if there is amateur radio coming out of the area. If
you have information of any type, please feel free to post
directly to http://www.icanect.net/thomas

Thank you.



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Walter Eric Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 19 Sep 1995 18:39:43 GMT
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Brian Carling ([e-mail]) wrote:
: JWE>mu.edu>
: JWE>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
: JWE>Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX

: JWE>They don't need to drop the code requirement -- just give everyone
: JWE>a choice of which ancient method to use including code, smoke
: JWE>signals, and drums.

: The above is obviously written by a VERY intelligent protozoa!

The protozoans are the ones who can't recognize someone poking fun
at sacred cows.

I still use slide rules on occasion (more than calculators, much less
than pencil and paper or computers).  But I don't try to claim that
we should require all freshmen taking math courses to learn how to
use slide rules and logarithm tables just because if all else fails,
they can still use them to perform important calculations.

Yet, that is the situation we see amateur radio today.  So, don't
be surprised if noone wants to bother with it.

Eric Johnson



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Babb)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 19 Sep 1995 19:10:47 GMT
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J. Duffy Beischel ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [...] The amateur service, the key word is service, is
: two fold.  First is to be a development ground for new technologies (I
: can foresee your CW argument here) and second, to be a backup
: communications system and an additional communication system in the
: event of an emergency.  The emergency portion of the service is why it
: is important for all operators to still be proficient in CW.  To be
: proficient, you need to be tested.

: Regards,

: Duffy - WB8NUT

If I understand correctly, your argument here is that CW is necessary
for emergency communications.  I submit that in an emergency, the
faster you can move emergency messages, the better.

CW testing requirements dictate copying speeds of 5, 13, and 20 WPM.
I have copied in the 25-30 WPM range, and I know hams who copy 50 WPM+.
On average, however, I would think that an avid CW operator would be
in the 15-25 WPM range.  CW message relaying is a manual process, with
errors introduced if characters are mis-copied.

It took me 22.4 seconds to read the 75 words that I quoted above from
your previous post aloud.  This comes to about 200 WPM for AM/SSB/FM.
Voice message relaying is also a manual process, with errors introduced
if words are misunderstood.  CW is probably more accurate than voice,
since each word is spelled out, character-by-character, in CW.

An HF AMTOR system runs at 300 baud.  Using 10 bits per character and
5 characters and a space for each word, AMTOR transfers messages at
300 WPM.  AMTOR message relaying is usually manual.  Errors during
AMTOR transmission are detected and corrected.

An HF packet radio system also runs at 300 baud.  It provides the same
300 WPM throughput as AMTOR, but message relaying is usually automatic.

A VHF packet radio system running at 1200 baud, and using the same
data criteria as for AMTOR, transfers messages at 1200 WPM.  The
relaying of messages from source to destination is automatic, and
errors during transmission are detected and corrected.

This data would tend to point in the direction of using a packet radio
system for emergency data communication.  When you consider the large
influx of no-code licensees into the Amateur Radio Service, it becomes
even more important *not* to rely on CW for emergency communications.
You need to be able to transmit in a way that your intended recipient,
and all of the relay points in between, can understand.  If a message
originates from a CW station, it will usually be relayed via a SSB
traffic net or a packet network.  This is simply because more hams
can communicate more efficiently in those modes.

A demonstrated proficiency in CW is required by the ITU for access to
the MF and HF amateur bands.  This proficiency requirement would be met
by a 5 WPM test for all classes of amateur license with MF/HF privs.

Scott - wa1vht

--
      Lockheed Martin may disagree so these are solely the opinions of:
              Scott L. Babb - [e-mail]
                  Linux - The Personal Workstation OS


From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:18 1995
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From: Alf Green <alf>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Icom IC706?
Date: 19 Sep 1995 19:36:31 GMT
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Has anyone actually got their hands on one of these beasts yet? I am on the
list at the local emporium, but it seems they won't be here until mid-October.

I got the impression from GJ4ICD's page that they were already available in
Europe. Anyone over there confirm this? How about elsewhere in the world?

I'd be interested in hearing any comments about this unit before I take
delivery.

73s  Alf     NU8I/G4ABB
[e-mail]
Phoenix,  AZ



From [e-mail] Tue Sep 19 19:51:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (mark.a.mccuistion)
Subject: Non-inductive Resistors?
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How can I tell if resistors are non-inductive?

I wanted to make a QRP Dummy load, so I grabbed some resistors in my junk-drawer
and cobbled them into 50 ohms.  Then I plugged it into my MFJ-SWR analyzer, and
as I swept higher in Freq, the SWR went up, too.  So I assume these 'normal'
looking resistors are inductive, and I should avoid them.

But in the meantime, if I stroll down to RS, what do I need to look for?
If I just buy the standard red-pack of 5 resistors, will they be the
right kind?

--Mark kb2els
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Wixson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Change WBFM to NBFM????
Date: 11 Sep 1995 17:18:31 GMT
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I have a few of those RT-68's and have fun using them just the way
they are.  Talk lightly and the nbfm'ers can hear you, or talk loud to
another rt-68 and its the only thing that will hear you. you'll get
used to limiting the audio.  Any-way , thats how i use mine. Also have
a few rt-67's and rt.70's.  Want to convert the 70's to cw.

See-Ya

Chuck, WD8DTH, MICHIGAN


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Rice)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: garage door openers
Date: 14 Sep 95 15:36:00 CDT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Janecek) writes:
> Does anyone know what the current state of the art is in terms of Garage
> Door Opener Transmitter technology is?
>
> I mean- it used to be you could drive through the neighborhood and press
> the opener for your own door and a couple of neighbor's might open too.
>
> What are the chances of this happening with new transmitting systems or
> with someone who's got some sort of variable bandwith transmitter to spend
> 10 minutes trying 5000 different frequencies?

Todays technology is digital. The encoders are tri-state with 10 'bits'
(hi,lo,off), so there are something like 1000 digital combinations and
then frequency variations :-). Not as easy as it used to be :-).


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From: [e-mail] (John Rice)
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Subject: Re: FCC WWW address needed
Date: 14 Sep 95 15:52:21 CDT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Amatuer Cross Link Repeater Assoc.) writes:
> Drew Durigan ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : I'm anxious to get my callsign and the 800 number is usually busy.
> : Anyone have the FCC's Web address with the callsign server?
>
> : -Drew in Charlotte-
>
> check out
> http://www.qrz.com
> its updated every day,

Not quite every day. I got my renewal over a week ago and it's not shown
up on the server yet :-).


--------

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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:34 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: ARLX051 WRTC-96 makes plans
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX051
ARLX051 WRTC-96 makes plans

ZCZC AX21
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 51  ARLX051
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  September 14, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX051
ARLX051 WRTC-96 makes plans

The Northern California Contest Club (NCCC) has selected judges for
the World Radiosport Team Championship (WRTC-96) competition,
scheduled for July 13 and 14, 1996, in the San Francisco Bay area,
and has announced the rules for the event.

According to NCCC President Ken Silverman, WM2C, since the WRTC
competition takes place within the IARU HF World Championship, WRTC
rules will follow suit as much as possible.  Each of the 52 WRTC
teams will compete as a two-person, multi-single contest entry,
running a maximum of 100 watts output.  WRTC competitors will be
limited to 18 hours (from 1200 UTC Saturday to 0600 UTC Sunday), and
will use only the 40, 20, 15 and 10 meter bands.

Lew Gordon, K4VX, will head WRTC-96's Judging Committee as chief
judge.  Additional judges will be Roger Western, G3SXW, ''Bear''
Kumagai, JA7RHJ, Fred Laun, K3ZO, Dick Frey, K4XU, Tom Taormina,
K5RC, Glenn Rattmann, K6NA, Gene Walsh, N2AA, Dick Norton, N6AA,
Phil Goetz, N6ZZ, Ville Hiilesmaa, OH2MM, Tine Brajnik, S50A, John
Brosnahan, W0UN, and Rush Drake, W7RM.

The WRTC, first held in Seattle, Washington, in 1990, pits
two-person teams comprised of some of the world's top operators in a
head-to-head competition.  To emphasize operator ability, each team
runs the same transmitter power and operates from stations having
similar antenna systems and located in the same geographical area.

For additional information about WRTC-96, contact Rusty Epps, W6OAT,
at 651 Handley Trail, Redwood City, CA 94062, USA, or via e-mail to
[e-mail].
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:35 1995
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From: Joel McClure <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FM Broadcast Subcarrier Receivers
Date: 14 Sep 1995 20:27:00 GMT
Organization: General Motors Corporation
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Does anybody know where to get a kit/plans for an FM broadcast subcarrier
receiver?
--
Joel McClure  KB8APP                          <Annoying personal touch deleted>
                                         <Sorry, no list of all my possessions>

My opinions/statements have nothing to do with those of my employer.
Why would they?!



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Fuat C. Baran)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NTS Traffic to Non-Hams via Packet
Date: 14 Sep 1995 21:02:18 GMT
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In article <42qiol$[e-mail]>,
David Misner  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I thought that there was a way to originate traffic on packet to a
>non-ham using either zip code data or phone area code and prefix
>data to allow auto forwarding by the packet network.  I can't
>remember what the format was though.  Appreciate a direct reply
>to [e-mail].  For example:  Is there a format such as
>[e-mail] that will route automatically or the equivalent
>for phone data [e-mail]   Thanks for your reply.

For those of you with Internet access and a WWW browser, you can send
NTS radiograms via:

        http://www.columbia.edu/~fuat/cuarc/radiogram.html


                                                --Fuat

Columbia University                             [e-mail]
703 Watson Labs                                 212-854-4804
612 W115th Street                               212-662-6442 (Fax)
New York, NY 10025      Amateur Radio: N2YGN    http://www.columbia.edu/~fuat/


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Your Name Here)
Subject: Re: NYC Marathon
Organization: Your Organization
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:26:22 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, "G. Ralph Kuntz, MD" <[e-mail]> says:
>
>Followup-To: [e-mail]
>
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>Hi HAMFolks-
>
> Several years ago I volunteered to help as a HAM in the NYC
>Marathon.  I am interested in doing it again this year and am
>looking for who I should contact, etc.
>
> I have an unusual situation: I am a ham operator and a physician,
>but I am not licensed to practice medicine in NY.  I am also an
>ex-EMT.  I would like to work in one of the medical tents/stations
>helping with triage, riding the ambulances to pick up patients,
>etc., and be a point-of-contact for the ham-radio net.
>
> Does anyone here know who I might get in touch with?
>
> Thanks lots,
>
> Ralph, N2HBN
>
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>contact Steve Mendelson, w2dhf the atlantic division director.He works
as the coordinator for ham radio.
73 de Len, w8rc
--
>- G Ralph Kuntz, MD
>  Resident in Internal Medicine, Ex-computer scientist
>  CIS: 73404,2625   INTERNET: [e-mail]   Home:
>[phone]
>
>


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:38 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Date: 14 Sep 1995 21:40:30 GMT
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Brian Carling ([e-mail]) wrote:
: DD>How many of those oldtimers who can copy CW at 20+ WPM and insist that "I
: DD>had to learn it, so they have to learn it too!"...how many of them are
: DD>capable of operating a personal computer?  Even a simple function like
: DD>word processing or connecting to the Internet.  Not many, I'd guess.

: DD>Which of these skills do you think is most useful in 1995?
: DD>-Drew in Charlotte-
: DD> KF4DDM
[ stuff deleted]

Count me in. I guess I just blew apart you bell curve! 30+ WPM, love CW,
I can use a computer.  I have even *Designed* computers. Old timer on
the internet (way before AOL !!).  You really shouldn't make
statements like this without a factual basis!!!!

CW SKILLS ARE STILL USEFUL IN 1995!!!!  ASK ANY QRPer or CONTESTER!!

Len Popyack
WF2V




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Roehrig)
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Subject: TVI problem
Date: 15 Sep 95 01:28:29 GMT
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If your TVI has horizontal bars that have a slow vertical roll, then the
interference is power line related. What you see with the slow vertical
motion is the "beat" between the 60 Hz AC line frequency and the actual
vertical sync rate of 59.94 Hz.

The interference could be from any noise source that has enough harmonics
to be in the TV band of frequencies. The higher the channel you get it
on, the stronger it is (or the closer it is to you). Anything that
arcs, particularly if it has a reactive load (such as a light dimmer or
motor speed control), can be the culprit. Of course it could also be just
a bad connection on the utility line somewhere.

The power company we have (and they have a pretty expert crew if you can
ever get them out) uses a combination of equipment to track power line
related noise. They use a TV set, a hand-held AM CB receiver with a
rotatable dipole antenna, an all band communications receiver that tunes
at least up to 400 MHz, and finally, an ultrasonic "sniffer" for
detecting arcs when within a few hundred feet of the source. This sniffer
is made by Hewlett-Packard and looks like a trumpet loudspeaker with a
gun sight on it. The pickup element (located in the horn) is one of
those ultrasonic transducers like used in alarm systems. A set of
headphones plugs in the back of the horn.

The trick is to use the highest frequency you can detect the noise on
since the higher frequencies don't travel as far down the lines.

I use an old Heathkit tunable aircraft band receiver (It must be an AM
receiver - don't try and use your FM 2 meter rig) with a 3 element yagi
to start with.  Up close I use an ultrasonic system (42 kHz tuned amp/
detector). I use an 18 inch parabolic dish from Edmund Scientific with
a 42 kHz transducer mounted in it on that.

de K9EUI



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Hate thread started *READ THIS*
Date: 15 Sep 1995 03:14:46 GMT
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I would like to warn you about a very sadistic and hatefull person. He is,

Drew A. Durigan KF4DDM
2841 SE 7th St.
Ocala FL.  34471
DOB: 05/26/64
EMAIL: [e-mail]

Dont be fooled by this kid. His game is to make you belive he will debate with
you, then vent hatred, make accusation, assumptions, call names, threaten, and
make personel attacks on you. Mr. Durigan is a very disturbed person, and I
reccommend to everyone to ignore him completely. It got so bad with me, I had
to lock him out of my mail box.

His current thread that he is fueling is "Re: Drop Code? Yesw way!" BTW, Mr.
Durigan obtained his technicain class license Sep. 6, 1995...thats right...
ONLY 8 DAYS AGO!

I know I risk more harrassment from him, and he will cut & paste this message
with his remmarks proclaiming his innocence, but dont be fooled all. He has
been figured out.

73, Chris  N8WCT


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Rutter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Rotary International Net on HF?
Date: 15 Sep 1995 03:39:42 GMT
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Good day.

I recall that there was a Rotary International net that met on 20 Meters
a number of years ago.  The last net directory  that I have indicates
that it is/was meeting on 14.292 at 1800 UTC on Sunday.  However, I have
yet to hear it.

Does anyone know if the net is still active and, if so, at what time and
on what frequency does it meet?

Propagation is so poor the net may be there but I just can't hear it.

Thanks in advance.

73

Dave
N8CLF/6
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for a radio
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  > there are a couple of other options for the problem which you present
  > here.  try looking for handheld rigs by Bendix King (mods for up to a
  > couple hundred channels, i believe, and field programmable with a small
  > mper plug that you connect to the accessory port.  if you can live wiht
  > 16 channels, get an ICOM H-16 (discontinued, but can be found at various
  > flea markets).  decent rig and it is totally field programmable as long
  > as a jumper remains in place inside the radio.  finally, ICOM has a new
  > series of handheld as a follow-up to the H-16 / U-16 line, called the
  > F40LT.  F40LT is the name of the UHF version, though i don't know if the
  > model name is the same for the VHF version.  nice rig, up to 96
  > channels, fully field programmable and alpha-display.  all these rigs
  > are type accepted AND are field programmable.

  You're missing the point. Field Programming has to be done by an FCC
  licensed technician. And you can bet he's not going to risk his license
  putting non-authorized channels on a HT at the request of the user.

  If you're suggesting that the useer does the "fiddle the jumpers around"
  by himself, then you've just violated the Type Acceptance.

  Sure, I swap channel elements around in my Mitrek all the time. But it's
  inside the amateur band allocations now. If I put it back up in the
  commercial or public service bands, then it has to be tuned up and put
  on frequency by a FCC licensed technician.

  "Are you authorized to transmit on this frequency?"
  "no"
  "No problem, I'll just sign my license number to the service log."


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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:43 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Date: 15 Sep 1995 04:26:02 GMT
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In article <43a7ge$[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:

>CW SKILLS ARE STILL USEFUL IN 1995!!!!  ASK ANY QRPer or CONTESTER!!

And everyone agrees that CW skills are still useful to some people.
So are motorcycle skills. So are dunking basketball skills. So what?

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Date: 15 Sep 1995 05:25:00 GMT
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>Count me in. I guess I just blew apart you bell curve! 30+ WPM, love CW,

>I can use a computer.  I have even *Designed* computers. Old timer on
>the internet (way before AOL !!).  You really shouldn't make
>statements like this without a factual basis!!!!

That's great...welcome to the 90's!  But for every one of you, there's at
least 10 others who are too busy pounding code on HF to learn the
difference between a RAM and a ROM.
>
>CW SKILLS ARE STILL USEFUL IN 1995!!!!  ASK ANY QRPer or CONTESTER!!

Useful for contests, yes!!  No argument there!  But this is not
justification for having it be a required condition of obtaining an
amateur radio license.

>Len Popyack
>WF2V



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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hate thread started *READ THIS*
Date: 15 Sep 1995 05:41:13 GMT
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[e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh) wrote:
>
>I would like to warn you about a very sadistic and hatefull person. He
is,
>
>Drew A. Durigan KF4DDM
>2841 SE 7th St.
>Ocala FL.  34471
>DOB: 05/26/64
>EMAIL: [e-mail]
>
>Dont be fooled by this kid. His game is to make you belive he will
debate with
>you, then vent hatred, make accusation, assumptions, call names,
threaten, and
>make personel attacks on you. Mr. Durigan is a very disturbed person,
and I
>reccommend to everyone to ignore him completely. It got so bad with me,
I had
>to lock him out of my mail box.
>
>His current thread that he is fueling is "Re: Drop Code? Yesw way!" BTW,
Mr.
>Durigan obtained his technicain class license Sep. 6, 1995...thats right.
.
>ONLY 8 DAYS AGO!
>
>I know I risk more harrassment from him, and he will cut & paste this
message
>with his remmarks proclaiming his innocence, but dont be fooled all. He
has
>been figured out.
>
>73, Chris  N8WCT


Christopher, Christopher, Christopher...

Let's tell the truth here, shall we?  I never made a "personal attack" on
you.  I was merely debating the merits of code vs no-code on this
newsgroup.  I never "made assumptions, called names, or threatened you"
in any way, either privately or through E-Mail.  In fact, wasn't it you
that initiated the E-Mail contact with me?  I believe that it was!  When
I informed you that I did not wish to continue our E-Mail conversation
any further (since I found it pointless), you then responded by saying
that you would not accept any further E-Mail from me and did not wish any
further correspondence.  I respected your wishes and terminated our
exchange at that point.  I was quite surprised, to say the least, when I
signed on here tonight and read your accusations.  Not a nice thing to do,
 Chris.

Please refrain from making any further false accusations and attacks on
my character.  At best, it may earn you the discredit and loss of respect
of your fellow hams here on this newsgroup.  At worst, it very well may
cause a libel and/or defamation of character lawsuit to be filed against
you if this sort of thing continues.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Karl Beckman)
Subject: Re: Gentlemen's Agreements vs The Law
Organization: Motorola LMPS - Pvt Data Sys
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:48:14 -0400
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In article <436lkb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> 146.52 MHz is known in the U.S. as the National Simplex
> Calling Frequency, and is listed as such in the band plan
> of the ARRL Repeater Directory.  Recently there has been
> a wide-area net camping out on 146.52 which justifies
> being on the Calling Frequency by pointing out there is
> nothing in FCC Part 97 saying that anyone owns any
> frequency, that by law they can use 146.52 for a net or
> anything else, that it's just a "gentleman's agreement"
> saying 146.52 is a national calling frequency.  To what
> extent should we as amateur radio operators follow the
> "gentlemen's agreements"?  I monitor 146.52 fairly often
> at home and always when I travel, using it as I believe it
> was intended, which is a Watering Hole along the radio
> spectrum.  The net in question, by the way, tends to go on
> for hours on Saturday nights, and essentially encourages
> lids to act out with other lids.  --Bill KB8USZ

Bill - Let's start a movement to push them on to the 145.19 repeater
network.  It provides multi-state coverage and would certainly further
their goals, while also freeing up 146.52 for its intended purpose as a
nationwide calling (NOT WORKING) frequency.

--

Karl Beckman, P.E.  WA8NVW          <  The value of field experience  >
Motorola LMPS - Fixed Data          < is directly proportional to the >
                                    < price of the equipment damaged. >
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Karl Beckman)
Subject: Re: Gentlemen's Agreements vs The Law
Organization: Motorola LMPS - Pvt Data Sys
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:49:10 -0400
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In article <436lkb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> 146.52 MHz is known in the U.S. as the National Simplex
> Calling Frequency, and is listed as such in the band plan
> of the ARRL Repeater Directory.  Recently there has been
> a wide-area net camping out on 146.52 which justifies
> being on the Calling Frequency by pointing out there is
> nothing in FCC Part 97 saying that anyone owns any
> frequency, that by law they can use 146.52 for a net or
> anything else, that it's just a "gentleman's agreement"
> saying 146.52 is a national calling frequency.  To what
> extent should we as amateur radio operators follow the
> "gentlemen's agreements"?  I monitor 146.52 fairly often
> at home and always when I travel, using it as I believe it
> was intended, which is a Watering Hole along the radio
> spectrum.  The net in question, by the way, tends to go on
> for hours on Saturday nights, and essentially encourages
> lids to act out with other lids.  --Bill KB8USZ

Bill -
Let's start by pushing them over to the 145.19 repeater network.  It
provides multi-state coverage and would certainly further their goals,
while also freeing up 146.52 for its intended purpose of nationwide
calling (NOT WORKING) channel.

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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Standard C508A
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chris M Botka) writes:
>I have not yet seen any reviews or opinions regarding the new Standard C508A
>Dual Band Radio, tho I hear they're selling like hot-cakes. Any user input
>would be appreciated.
>Christopher Michael Botka

I wrote a mini-review over in the .equipment group a week or so ago.
The executive summary is, buy it, its neat.

There are a few quirks, the manual *really* sucks, no TT pad, and it is
only 0.28 watt, but its such a *handy* little thing, kind to batteries,
covering a very wide range of frequencies (100 MHz to 999 MHz with a
couple of gaps, no 200-300 MHz or 512-800 MHz coverage, the latter isn't
interesting being just UHF TV, but coverage of the former would be), good
audio on transmit and receive, relatively little intermod for such wide
frequency coverage, and its just cute. It's the closest thing yet to Dick
Tracy's wrist radio.

Now I wouldn't suggest anyone buy this rig as their *primary* radio,
but especially if you have a mobile rig capable of crossband repeating,
this thing is great. Think of it as a pocket scanner that can double
as a cordless mike with a long range. A TT pad would make it perfect,
but like the Standard engineers, I can't figure out where to put one
either. Did I mention it's tiny?

It really is primarily a scanner, and it has more scanning modes
than you can shake a stick at. Being able to transmit too is a
nice bonus. Everyone to whom I've shown mine wants one, including
non-hams interested in it as a scanner.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary P. Fiber)
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Subject: Re: Looking for a radio
Date: 15 Sep 1995 12:50:06 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says:
>
>
>
>JA>This is going to require FCC type acceptance.
>JA>Part of type acceptance includes you not being able to reprogram the
>JA>frequencies.
>JA>At this point then, you will have to show proper authorization to
>JA>transmit on any/all of the various channels before the (FCC licensee
>JA>that will set up the frequencies) tech will set them.
>JA>Considering the usual intra-agency infighting, that should be quite
>JA>an accomplishment in itself.
>JA>Use your work issue HT on the channel(s) you're assigned, and buy
>JA>something cheap like the Kenwood TH-22 and modify it for out of band
>JA>(i.e., out of the amateur bands) operation and hope you don't get
>JA>hauled across the carpet too roughly the first time you use it.
>
>JA>  > **********************************************************
>JA>  > Rick Huebner EMTP
>JA>  > Georgia Southern University
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>JA>  >
>JA>  > Logging onto the Internet with OS/2 Warp Connect!!!
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>JA>;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
>JA>;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
>JA>;
>JA>; Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM Internet: [e-mail]
>JA>; US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749       Phone: [phone]
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>
>there are a couple of other options for the problem which you present
>here.  try looking for handheld rigs by Bendix King (mods for up to a
>couple hundred channels, i believe, and field programmable with a small
>mper plug that you connect to the accessory port.  if you can live wiht
>16 channels, get an ICOM H-16 (discontinued, but can be found at various
>flea markets).  decent rig and it is totally field programmable as long
>as a jumper remains in place inside the radio.  finally, ICOM has a new
>series of handheld as a follow-up to the H-16 / U-16 line, called the
>F40LT.  F40LT is the name of the UHF version, though i don't know if the
>model name is the same for the VHF version.  nice rig, up to 96
>channels, fully field programmable and alpha-display.  all these rigs
>are type accepted AND are field programmable.
>
>good luck.
>
>greg
>kd6ven
The H-16's jumper will need to be removed for field programming.  The F40LT
can be front panel programmed only after it has been setup to do so from a
computer program.  The F30LT is the VHF verssion. Now both support 99 channel
alpha text display, emergency button, soon a man down switch, using a UT-80
two-tone decoder a base station can send a two tone over the air disabling a stolen radio
All of these radios are pass word protected, with the F30/F40LT being able to
have a passwrod of choice programmed into the radio.

73' Gary


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From: [e-mail] (Michael Babineau)
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Subject: USN Antenna Farm near Cutler Maine ?
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Hi :

I'm curious if anyone knows what the purpose of the massive antenna farm
is near Cutler Maine, which I believe is US Navy.

The past two summers I have spent some time on Grand Manan Island
(New Brunswick) and have noticed this "farm" on the mainland which
appears to stretch for a few miles. It clearly visible with the naked eye
or low powered binoculars.

My guess is that maybe this is used for communication with submerged subs
(the scale seems about right) other possiblities are some sort of monitoring
station or possibly HF radar.

For someone who lives in a condo with a covenant restricting antennas,
this setup seems like "Ham Heaven".

Michael
VE3WMB
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
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Drew Durigan ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I was waiting for a personal attack, and I see I'm not to be disappointed.
:   Do you really think it helps your argument?  I think not.

Sorry, Drew.  I wasn't making an argument, and it wasn't meant as a
personal attack, just an observation based upon your comments of late,
like:

: How many of those oldtimers who can copy CW at 20+ WPM and insist that
: "I had to learn it, so they have to learn it too!"...how many of them are
: capable of operating a personal computer?  Even a simple function like
: word processing or connecting to the Internet.  Not many, I'd guess.

Would you rather I phrased my observation about your attitude as you
did above...a broad, innaccurate generalization of
code-proficient amateurs as backwards oldtimers?  Your comment is the
same as a pro-code person saying "all no-coders are just lazy
something-for-nothing Generation-Xers", and equally innaccurate.

You can state your opinions about the usefulness/uselessness of a mode
and the reasons you hold your opinions, but when you begin making
these groundless, scatter-gun, pejoritive comments about whole groups
of people, you're being foolish and someone is bound to point it out.


: >If I was a proponent of codeless HF access, you would be an
: >embarassment.  Keep up the good work.

: Will do!  And I'll be sure to drop you a line when us (sic) "codeless
: HF access proponents" emerge victorious.  Do you wish that message to
: be sent in digital, or would you prefer analog voice?

I doubt I'll be alive by then, Drew...I'm 46 and don't expect to live
much beyond 90.  But feel free to contact me.  Digital or voice???
Is that all you do??  Gee, that's pretty limited.  Fortunately, I'm
pretty active in several modes, including "digital", so I guess I can
accomodate you...oh, except HF voice.  I pretty much avoid that one.
And I often drop down to the Novice/Tech-plus bands too, so we'll have
at least some frequencies in common.

Seriously, Drew, the best way to incite personal attacks is to
make innaccurate and negative comments about whole groups of people.
The characterization of "pro-code" amateurs as backwards oldtimers who
can't even run a wordprocessor and "talk trash" on 20 meters is far
more insulting to a very large number of hams than anything I said
about you.  And saying "Amen, I agree completely" in response to
someone who says "CW (Morse) IS USELESS!" doesn't go far in convincing
people you really understand much about amateur radio.  Those who
understand that the strength amateur radio lies in its diversity
recognize that holding any mode (CW, digital, voice, whatever) or any
sub-set activity (public service, DX, emergency communications,
ragchewing, even contesting) in such contempt is contrary to the
spirit and purpose of the service.

Maybe I was a little ruff on you...I'd just been reading the latest
Jim (jpn) foul-language contribution to his  "all you pro-coders are
***holes and will die soon, HAHAHAHA" thread.  Sorry.

Greg






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From: [e-mail] (Rick Checketts)
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Model 276 Xtal Calibrator, three pin plug-in unit for Century 21, Model 570.

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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Russell Gauthier)
Subject: We like good News. (re: You hate good news)
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Burt Fisher wrote:

>Recently I posted some POSITIVE articles (one on the uses of good, the
>other a story full of positive humor on "Repeater Rabbit."
>
>I received one or two messages yet if I post a message on
>Nazi hams or racist hams the mail flows.

Well Burt, I liked the Repeater Rabbit and saved it for later.
I might send it to someone down the line or talk about one or two of
the meanings  you could read into it over the air. Since you were
looking for more responces than what you got, this is mine.

If you throw out something aimed at that emotional button that
everyone has, you most certainly will get more mail. As for the
Rabbit, only a few good comments back indicates that it was recieved
and digested. Of course with your history of controversial posts, I'm
sure that there are some who wouldn't care how good it is simply
because you posted it.

I talked with a newpaper editor sometime back about this. He calls
them Hot Spot articles. He said that if you get a ton of mail back
then it hit a hot spot. Being as how the subscribers are the life
blood of the paper he has to pick his hot spots carefully. No such
thing in this case, BUT, he also said that he can tell when something
went over pretty well. He gets a few nice replies and no flames.

I guess that I could post something in the antenna group saying that,
"IMHO a 5 element wide spaced yagi is a piece of crap compared to a 2
element quad" and I'll probably get plenty of mail telling me I'm
nuts, stupid, ignorant or whatever. Point being, it is a lot easier to
get tomatoes in the face then a standing ovastion.

de N5EJS
Russ




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:32:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Braun)
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Subject: Re: HF Propagation Forecasting Software for Windows?
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In Article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:

> ************* HF PROPAGATION FORECASTING SOFTWARE??? ***************
(snip)
> I'd like to get something that is truly a Windows oriented application
> and has a little better user interface.

To my knowledge there is no such animal.  Miniprop actually has the best
user interface of the ones I've seen.  Other possibilities are Ionsound
(nice data but makes Miniprop's interface look BEAUTIFUL), CAPMAN,
Propman, and VOACAP (a clone of IONCAP that draws nifty maps but is quite
slow and clunky).  All of these are DOS-based, although most of them will
run under a graphical interface like Windows or OS/2 in a DOS window.
There is a listing in the current (October) CQ magazine of the various
programs that are available, and a whole chapter on them in the new
Shortwave Propagation Handbook (also by CQ).  But what you're asking for
does not yet exist.  73 - Alan Braun NS0B

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From: [e-mail] (Alan Braun)
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PMFJI, but I thought that the reason rec.radio.amateur.policy was created
was to provide a forum for this endless discussion about code/no code.
Why not take it there and not burden the rest of us with it?

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From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
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Subject: Re: XR0Y Interactive Log Search Now Available
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Lyndon Nerenberg ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In the wee hours of this morning I managed to get the XR0Y log
: search function working. This lets you interactively search through
: the XR0Y (Easter Is.) logs via the World Wide Web.

: The search function can be accessed by pointing your Web browser
: at http://ve7tcp.ampr.org/DX/easter/ (please note the UPPER CASE DX
: and the trailing slash) and selecting the "Am I in the radio log?"
: link in the "Contacting the Expedition" section.

: Have fun!

: --lyndon


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to search the log.  I got a QSL for a QSO I never had at 0304 6th Sep
1995 on 14 MHz SSB.  GL
Gerry K8EF



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From: [e-mail] (Wayne Day)
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In article <43n63v$[e-mail]>, Alf Green <alf> wrote:

> Has anyone actually got their hands on one of these beasts yet? I am on the
> list at the local emporium, but it seems they won't be here until mid-October.
>
> I got the impression from GJ4ICD's page that they were already available in
> Europe. Anyone over there confirm this? How about elsewhere in the world?
>
> I'd be interested in hearing any comments about this unit before I take
> delivery.

Got to play with the demo at Ham-Com in June for just a little bit, and am
in serious lust!  The environment was RF dirty, and the antenna support
was limited to HF/6m receive only and a 2m quarter wave at the booth, but
it sure sounded great there on the headphones.

73 Wayne KF5ZC

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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:01 1995
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 Hello there.

  I am wanting to buy a TNC.I would like to get a kam 3 in good shape.If you have one for sale let me know
at [e-mail] tell me the price.I live in the Kansas City area.

                                                Kb0mai


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary P. Fiber)
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In article <43ncpo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Buch) says:
>
>I was wandering around the FCC web site  last night and noticed the
>FCC had issued an experimental license, KE2XMI, to Enterprise Network
>Applications, Inc. of Alpharetta, GA.  Mobile units are permitted to
>use 3.592 MHz among other UHF non-ham frequencies.  Isn't the 3.5 to
>4.0 MHz band exclusively assigned to ham radio in the USA??
>
>What's going on??
>Joe Buch N2JB
>[e-mail]
>
Not surprizing, 420 to 430 MHz is now a Land Mobile band in areas above Line A.
There are many public safety services assigned to the 420 to 430 spectrum in Michigan.

gary


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 20 Sep 1995 01:59:30 GMT
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In article <43muv5$[e-mail]>,
Tom Randolph <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <43k9nf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman) writes...
>>You really are clueless, aren't you? Read the QST article a few months back
>>where (I think it was) Steve Ford described receiving digital signals he
>>couldn't hear.

>Oh, you mean the one where he describes receiving "sentence fragments"?
>Yep, certainly better than inaudible CW, but he never did tell us whether he
>could have held a QSO... doesn't really sound like it.

Yeah, and it was RTTY and not one of the newer fancy-schmancy
error-correcting schemes.

So even venerable RTTY can beat out a human CW listener.

For reference, it was the August 1995 QST, page 73, Steve Ford's review of
the Hal P38 HF modem.

>-Tom R.   N1OOQ   [e-mail]

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 20 Sep 1995 02:54:41 GMT
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All these are valid points to dump the code requirement.  And I'll bet we
could come up with a thousand more.  Everyone knows that it's ridiculous
to require knowledge of Morse code as a requirement for obtaining an
amateur radio license with HF privileges in 1995...but a group of ancient
operators, known as  "YE OLDE FAHRTZ" do not want to give up their
precious initiation rite.

You see, back when "YE OLDE FAHRTZ" got their licenses (MANY years ago),
knowledge of the code was a neccessary practice.  Even though it's been
many decades, and modern technology has rendered Morse code obsolete to
the point that even the military no longer uses it, "YE OLDE FAHRTZ"
continue to insist on it "because that's the way it's always been."

The next few years are going to see some hotly-contested battles between
the "new generation" of technologically-proficient operators who want to
move amateur radio into the 21st century with digital communciations and
"YE OLDE FAHRTZ" who will be kicking and screaming all the way, demanding
that the 19th century communication mode known as Morse code remains as a
roadblock...I, I mean a requirement to obtaining an amateur license with
privileges below 30Mhz.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:05 1995
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Maybe it's time to do a little rag chewing on those frequencies.....

Ken, N3GBW



On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, Joe Buch wrote:

> I was wandering around the FCC web site  last night and noticed the
> FCC had issued an experimental license, KE2XMI, to Enterprise Network
> Applications, Inc. of Alpharetta, GA.  Mobile units are permitted to
> use 3.592 MHz among other UHF non-ham frequencies.  Isn't the 3.5 to
> 4.0 MHz band exclusively assigned to ham radio in the USA??
>
> What's going on??
> Joe Buch N2JB
> [e-mail]
>
>
>


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[e-mail] (Watts) wrote:

>Ken Knapp ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Maybe it's time to do a little rag chewing on those frequencies.....

>Nahhh, use 'em for packet, AMTOR, SSTV, RTTY...

>: On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, Joe Buch wrote:

>: > FCC had issued an experimental license, KE2XMI, to Enterprise Network
>: > Applications, Inc. of Alpharetta, GA.  Mobile units are permitted to
>: > use 3.592 MHz among other UHF non-ham frequencies.
Are you shure its not 3592 i.e. 3.592 gig??



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Buch)
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[e-mail] (prvalko) wrote:
>Betcha a steak dinner you read it wrong... ENS is experimenting with
>wireless computer networks and you don't get much bandwith with a 3.5MHz
>signal.  Probably said 3.592 GHz.

You are on.  Of course there may have been a typo error in the posting
by the FCC.  I just attempted to access the FCC page I was looking at
the other night.  I couldn't reconstruct the path and my Netscape
files do not show that I saved it.  I do remember checking this point
at the time.  I am sure it said "MHz".  I will continue to try to
locate this file and will post a copy here with the URL if I am
successful.  By the way, my cardiologist won't let me eat steak so
don't worry about losing the bet.



Joe Buch N2JB
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:08 1995
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In a message dated 95-09-18 05:25:41 EDT, you write:

>[e-mail] (Rob Lingelbach)

Rob if you want to send me your H&W traffic, I'd be happy to get it into the
NTS System.  I run the 10th region Amtor/Pactor MBO that runs NTS only
traffic.  So if I can help, pls let me know.
73 de Tom/N3PGG


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
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In article <43ntmv$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:

[story of woe deleted]

In all honesty (and far be it for me to be an ARRL supporter) I don't
see how you can hold the ARRL responsible for the unwillingness of people
in your area to participate in voluntary positions.

MD
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Wittich)
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Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
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In article <43ntmv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
|> THE  ARRL, ONE GOOD REASON NOT TO BE A MEMBER
|>
|> After I passed the Tech tests, I had to wait almost fourteen
|> weeks to receive the license before I could legally talk on
|> the air! Now that problem appears to have been solved.
|>
|> After talking on six meters for about a year, I had enough
|> grid squares confirmed and on hand for the VUCC award. Many
|> hams I talk with on the air tell me they don't shuffle
|> paper! Now I am beginning to understand why I hear this
|> comment frequently.
|>
-----big snip-----
|>      I am beginning to see why I have hams tell me they
|> don't collect paper and also those who tell me they don't
|> belong to the ARRL.
|>
|> Sincerely,
|>
|> Thomas Hark  KB8TAG
|> Email: [e-mail]

Ya know, Thomas, the field checkers are all volunteers.  Because
your SM is the highest ranking ARRL official in your section does
not automatically qualify him to be a checker, or any of the
other MANY positions staffed by volunteers in the field organization.

You are complaining with vigor.  Are you doing anything to become
a card checker?  Or do you see it as somebody else's problem?
Perhaps you volunteer your time in other ways.

73, Jeff
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Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
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[e-mail] wrote:

>THE  ARRL, ONE GOOD REASON NOT TO BE A MEMBER

-snip
>I checked here in the Charleston, WV area, the Capital of
>the state and the population center of West Virginia, for a
>checker who could inspect my QSL's for the award. On the
>weekly 2 meter net, I was given some names. I called these
>hams and none of them were checkers. One advised that he is
>a WAS checker, and another advised that he used to be but
>had given up the job. I wrote the ARRL office in CT, and was
>sent the name of two WV VUCC checkers. One lives in
>Sandyville, WV, a fifty minute drive one way from
>Charleston, and on a rural mail route with the box on top a
>pole along side the road. The other checker sent me lives in
>Grafton, WV, a number of hours by car from Charleston in the
>northern part of WV. I did not feel that I should have to
>drive that far, or to mail my cards to a rural mail box, to
>have them inspected when I live in a population center of
>over 100,000 people.

-snip-
>Sincerely,

>Thomas Hark  KB8TAG
>Email: [e-mail]


Dear Thomas
        It sounds like that the state of West Virginia could use a checker in
the Charleston area. Why don't you volunteer your services as a
checker to assist the ARRL and your fellow hams rather than complain?
The one drawback to this is that you still would have to send your
cards off to get them checked.
        What is the problem with sending your cards to a rural route box? I
would imagine that you could use registered USPS mail just as you
would to send them to the ARRL or you could use a commercial service
(i.e. UPS).
73 de N4JVP/NH
Fritz



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:12 1995
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From: Ed Hare <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
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[e-mail] wrote:

>THE  ARRL, ONE GOOD REASON NOT TO BE A MEMBER

>Tale of a mixup in getting cards checked deleted.

Thomas,

I am sorry that you had to go through such a mixup.  I trust that if you
send your cards to one of the checkers, they can help.

However, if you look over ARRL from stem to stern and use the first thing
you find wrong as a reason not to support this organization, I can assure
you; you will be able to find a reason not to join.  If you will only
join an organization that is perfect in every way, you have set
impossible conditions.

I suggest that you look over ARRL from stem to stern and determine if the
good outweighs the bad.  All in all, I believe that it does; that is why
I work here.  IMHO, the work done to represent Amateur Radio nationally,
our RFI programs and a host of other important things are enough to
overshadow the inevitable implementation problems.  While I understand
your disappointment when a good thing did not work for you, is it really
a solution to withold your support from ARRL, hoping that all we do,
including the thing you want us to do better, goes away all together?

I know Olie well; he is a dedicated ham trying to do a very tough job for
little thanks and no pay. :-)  I will bring him and Bill Moore into the
loop to see what can be done to make this all a bit easier for you.

BTW -- I plan to attend the next WV ARRL State Convention (usually held
at Jackson's Mill).  Stop by the ARRL Booth and say hello.

73 from ARRL HQ, Ed Hare, KA1CV, ARRL Laboratory Supervisor





From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:13 1995
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 I have put off for 5 years joining ARRL. The $28 to $31 always could be used
to buy or help buy some item for the shack.

 But more and more I noticed that I was using the League's info and stuff.
Such as Sending e-mail for info or checking the bullitins etc.

  Last week when I checked the League's new web page, I noticed some things    that need changing (maybe).
  BUT before I could send a msg to the webmaster, I felt that I should become a member. Right there was the info for membership so I faxed it before I
should forget again.
  The ARRL may not be perfect, But it's way ahead of anything else and I       don't believe in going all the way back down the mountain just to try a

  John, N0KIC,  AEC Dist 14, Colo. Section
  Member Pikes Peak Radio Amateur Assn  & Pikes Peak FM ASSN.




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:14 1995
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You know,   If you'ed quit moaning and do what it takes to
receive the certificate you desire,  this would all be over,
and you'ed be a happy ham.  The accomplishment you have
acheived by working the number of grids you have is great.
Don't cheapen it by trying to find an easy way to receive
acknowledgement of it.



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Wilson)
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[e-mail] wrote:
: THE  ARRL, ONE GOOD REASON NOT TO BE A MEMBER
: stuff deleted...
: Tale of an award not being granted...

: Thomas Hark  KB8TAG
: Email: [e-mail]

Thomas,

I've got several comments for you.

1) Everyone EXCEPT the guy at HQ are volunteers...so they do this in
   support of the hobby out of their own kindess. I didn't see you
   gripe about the checkers not being willing to perform, but you
   did gripe about the availability of checkers!  The problem is
   no-one in your area has volunteered to sign up to perform this
   service.  That isn't a problem with ARRL....why don't YOU
   volunteer to be a checker?????

2) It IS true that currently, an SM can't do the checking you
   needed performed.  This is stupid (speaking as an ex-SM myself.)
   That being the case, why not try and get this changed!  Instead
   of complaining about it to the net at large, why not gripe at
   someone who can do something about it....send email to your
   director and vice-director asking them to change the program so
   that SM's can do the check!  Better yet, give them a call on
   the phone and bend their ear directly!

Steve Wilson KA6S



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How about "We are the sole voice of the amateur radio community"?

BUZZ!  WRONG!

No organization with that kind of arrogance gets my money, regardless of
'service' or any other criteria.  Period.  End of discussion.

Even the NRA is not this bad, and they have twenty times the membership.---
Frank Ney  EMT-A  N4ZHG  LPWV  NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO LEAA 'M-O-U-S-E'
BATF Abuse Page  http://www.access.digex.net/~croaker/batfabus.html
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Penn McClatchey)
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Subject: Re: Death of Ham Radio
Summary: States rights
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Monninger) writes:
> other personal radio services in the same way as the agency
> deregulated Class D citizens radio almost two decades ago. ... "
>
> I'm sorely tempted to make some remarks about all the right-wingers who voted
> in all those bozos (Phil Gramm is behind this), but I won't...

Suppose that because of lack of funding, Congress delegates
its regulation of the RF spectrum to the states.  Presumably
any such act of congress would require each state to comply
with any treaties/MOUs signed by the United States regarding RF.

With each state being a separate party to WARC, etc, the ARRL would
probably rule that have 50 more DXCC countries!!!!  Instead of 326
countries we will have 376 countries!!  The DXers will _love_ it.
States with a strong pro-code lobby will require 30 WPM
tests.  Georgia, with Gary as a formidable, articulate lobbyist for digital
communications, will require that any prospective ham
own their PC and be able to type at least 60 WPM while
simultaneously winding their own antenna coil.   In MA where
Burt Fisher's voice will ring loudest, they will require any
amateur pass a personality test for TDD (tolerance deficit disorder).
(apologies to Gary....I was illustrating extremes coherency)

with a tolerance
,
:-)
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:19 1995
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From: jason goldring <[e-mail]>
Subject: Need help getting rid of really bad noise.
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I recently took the plunge into mobile communications, and I
purchased a used Ten-Tec 10M mobile rig, complete with a
Wilson 1000 magnet mount 10/11 meter antenna. After reading
about the possibility of receiving altenator and ignition noise,
I took the neccessary precautions to reduce noise to a minimum,
such as using a noise filter, proper grounds, and shielded
power cables. When I first turned on the rig, no noise was
present, but as soon as I started up the car, I got the typical
ignition "popping" noise, and it is very, very strong.
I have previously tried to use these stupid resistors that
you fit on the end of your spark-plug leads, as well as a
bigger condensor on the coil, but it never worked then, so I
doubt that it would work now. I am almost at the point of giving
up, so I am looking for any suggestions that may help.

Thanks in advance..
Jason.



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Schultz KE3OM)
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Subject: RFI on the phone
Date: 20 Sep 1995 15:12:36 GMT
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I received a cheap phone as a parting gift from my college.  I recently
plugged it in, and could CLEARLY hear WMAL (630MHz AM) on the phone.
(FWIW, the WMAL towers are about 1 mile from my house.)  Interestingly
enough, I could sometimes hear WMAL on **other** phones in my house when
this one was plugged in.  Also, I know it's not the socket, for I don't
hear WMAL when I use a different phone in this jack.

How do I block this RFI?  I welcome all suggestions, short of asking
WMAL to turn down their power.  (I know how hard *that* is.)

--
Benjamin Schultz, KE3OM  <*>
24 August 1995:  The dawn of Windows 95 and Microsoft Network --
                 The day the Great War came upon the Internet.



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gordon Pritchard)
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Subject: Re: RFI on the phone
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 22:19:36 GMT
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[e-mail] (Benjamin Schultz KE3OM) wrote:

>I received a cheap phone as a parting gift from my college.  I recently
>plugged it in, and could CLEARLY hear WMAL (630MHz AM) on the phone.
>(FWIW, the WMAL towers are about 1 mile from my house.)  Interestingly
>enough, I could sometimes hear WMAL on **other** phones in my house when
>this one was plugged in.  Also, I know it's not the socket, for I don't
>hear WMAL when I use a different phone in this jack.

>How do I block this RFI?  I welcome all suggestions, short of asking
>WMAL to turn down their power.  (I know how hard *that* is.)

        Perhaps the easiest solution is to go down to your local phone store,
and pick up an AT&T filter (Z1000B, I think).  This is intended for just
your application. Cost is likely about the U$15.
        Or you could make your own filter:  The AT&T one is basically a
common-mode toroidal filter (both Tip and Ring wires are wound on the
same core).  You could do something similar by taking a toroid or other
suitable core, and winding a handful of turns of your telephone wall
cord through it.  I'd suggest this is easier and nicer looking to do
near the wall-jack end!

        I can only guess why this cheapo phone is messing up your other phones:
most every phone uses a diode bridge in the front-end (polarity guard in
phone terminology).  Depending upon internal construction, it's possible
this is demodulating the RF, and using the phone lines to distribute the
audio!  You may experience this interfering audio on extension phones
even with the cheapo phone hung up.

        Try the choke/filter idea.
        I'm biased, so it may not be too helpful, but I'm going to suggest you
toss the cheapo phone.  Quality of audio, and quality of construction is
_everything_ in a phone, and I'd advocate one _top_quality_ phone over
three junkers!  My $0.02.

        How to recognize a quality phone:  listen to it, particularly under
adverse conditions.  "Feel" the phone, noting everything from keypress
"feel" to hookswitch operation, to handset heft, and quality of the
plastic housing (freedom from any blemishes, flow marks, flashing,
properly mating edges, etc).  You'll see that some of the big names
makes crappy phones too (AT&T, GE, etc.).  Northern Telecom seems to
make good quality phones over a range of features/prices.

        Best of luck,

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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: RFI on the phone
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <43q40j$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>[e-mail] (Benjamin Schultz KE3OM) wrote:
>
>>I received a cheap phone as a parting gift from my college.  I recently
>>plugged it in, and could CLEARLY hear WMAL (630MHz AM) on the phone.
>>(FWIW, the WMAL towers are about 1 mile from my house.)  Interestingly
>>enough, I could sometimes hear WMAL on **other** phones in my house when
>>this one was plugged in.  Also, I know it's not the socket, for I don't
>>hear WMAL when I use a different phone in this jack.
>
>>How do I block this RFI?  I welcome all suggestions, short of asking
>>WMAL to turn down their power.  (I know how hard *that* is.)
>
>       Perhaps the easiest solution is to go down to your local phone store,
>and pick up an AT&T filter (Z1000B, I think).  This is intended for just
>your application. Cost is likely about the U$15.
>       Or you could make your own filter:  The AT&T one is basically a
>common-mode toroidal filter (both Tip and Ring wires are wound on the
>same core).  You could do something similar by taking a toroid or other
>suitable core, and winding a handful of turns of your telephone wall
>cord through it.  I'd suggest this is easier and nicer looking to do
>near the wall-jack end!

But likely more effective if placed at the phone base since the cord
past the filter isn't suppressed. You may also want to put 0.001 capacitors
across the line before the choke. And you may need .001 capacitors across
the receiver element and the microphone element as well.

>       I can only guess why this cheapo phone is messing up your other phones:
>most every phone uses a diode bridge in the front-end (polarity guard in
>phone terminology).  Depending upon internal construction, it's possible
>this is demodulating the RF, and using the phone lines to distribute the
>audio!  You may experience this interfering audio on extension phones
>even with the cheapo phone hung up.

Yeah, that's a good theory. Electronic phones need to steal power from
telco battery, so they have that nice "demodulator" built in.

>       Try the choke/filter idea.
>       I'm biased, so it may not be too helpful, but I'm going to suggest you
>toss the cheapo phone.  Quality of audio, and quality of construction is
>_everything_ in a phone, and I'd advocate one _top_quality_ phone over
>three junkers!  My $0.02.

I agree wholeheartedly. A phone that says "Western Electric" and
"property of the Bell System" on the bottom is *much* better than
some of the junk being sold as telephones today. If the handset
doesn't have enough heft to beat a bad guy to death with it and
then still work so you can call 911 to come pick up the body,
pitch it and get a "real" phone.

We still use a WE300 at the farm that must be over 40 years old.
(The phone company keeps begging us to upgrade from rotary dial,
but screw'em, they just want to hit us with another monthly
charge so *they* don't have to maintain rotary equipment on their
end of the line.) I must have trashed a dozen cheapy phones here
before finally getting wise and scrounging a Model 500 deskset. The
Bell System didn't sell phones, they leased them, and it cost them
money to come out and replace a broken phone, so they made them to
last. (If you must have TT, get a Model 2500. It may not be quite
as rugged as the older phones, but it's still pretty strong.)

These older phones are nearly RFI immune too compared to fancy
electronic phones because the non-TT ones don't have any active
electronics. If you can't find one for $2 at a fleamarket, you
aren't looking. Cheap, rugged, reliable, what more can you
ask of a phone instrument?

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (William Roberson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RFI on the phone
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 21 Sep 95 17:44:00 GMT
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GC> I agree wholeheartedly. A phone that says "Western Electric" and
GC> "property of the Bell System" on the bottom is *much* better than
GC> some of the junk being sold as telephones today. If the handset
GC> doesn't have enough heft to beat a bad guy to death with it and
GC> then still work so you can call 911 to come pick up the body,
GC> pitch it and get a "real" phone.
GC> These older phones are nearly RFI immune too compared to fancy
GC> electronic phones because the non-TT ones don't have any active
GC> electronics. If you can't find one for $2 at a fleamarket, you
GC> aren't looking. Cheap, rugged, reliable, what more can you
GC> ask of a phone instrument?


When I lived at Ft. Polk, La. I had nothing but problems trying
to operate H.F. no matter how much power I used. The neighbors that
lived right next door hated me. No matter what I did to try and
eliminate the problem it did not work. One day the wife of my neighbor
next door came over just a ranting and a raving about me coming across
her phone. I had learned allot about part 15 and part 68 of the FCC code
and had purchased three phones that complied with part 68. These were
the old rotary type and one was a touch-tone part 68. I had tested these
phones and they nearly eliminated all interference. When I offered her
the use of any of the phones and informed her that her phone was cheap
she went ballistic. She let me know that she had paid $120.00 for her
phone and it was not cheap. I told her that I had paid $5.00 for all
three of these phones and they don't receive any interference. That made
her hotter.

Later her husband came over and I gathered all of the info
I could find on part 15, 17, and 68. He was listening as I told him
about the in's and out's of manufacturing under parts 15 and 17 and for
him to check his phone and read the label on the back that states that
the device must accept all interference al-beit undesirable. Well all
was fine until I offered to let him use any one of my "ugly" $1.67
phones. He soon went ballistic as well.

The moral of the story, you go by the rules and try and run a
clean station but it doesn't matter, the U.S. Army had the final say in
this matter, they revoked my permit for operating within the rules. You
just can't win sometimes.


+------------------+--------------------------------------+
| William Roberson |           [e-mail]              |
|    - KB5UXK -    |  [e-mail]  |
+------------------+--------------------------------------+



___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12


----
Top Of The Rock BBS - Lilburn, GA
Phone: [phone]             Snailmail: 4181 Wash Lee Ct.
Lilburn, GA 30247-7440


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Morse Testing (Yes/No?)
Date: 20 Sep 1995 15:40:47 GMT
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 The only operating skill test that matters is the one you pass every day
on the air.

Well said, Gary!

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Drop Morse Testing (Yes/No?)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <43mu31$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Weir) writes:
>
>But wouldn't it be clever if we tested for the privileges you want?
>That is, if you want to work CW and have privileges in the CW part of
>the band, you are tested on CW.  If you want phone privileges, then
>the theory and maybe even a practical test on how to tune up a SSB rig
>so you don't splatter 50 kc in every direction might be a good idea.
>
>Aviation has done this for years.  Just because I've got a commercial
>airplane ticket doesn't let me fly balloon passengers for money.  I've
>gotta have a balloon rating on the paperwork.

It would make more sense than the current system, Jim, where testing
is unrelated to the privileges granted, IE pass a Morse speed test and
you get additional spectrum, whether you're going to use Morse on that
spectrum or not. But with your proposal, how do you handle a new mode?
Amateur radio is supposed to be an experimental learning environment.
We don't want to have to go running back to the government every time
we want to try something new, whether it's just new to us or new to the
world. And in the latter case, who's going to develop the test if you're
the only one knowing how the new method works?

We aren't carrying passengers, and we are tested on material that shows
we know how to generate RF safely and without causing undue harm to others,
though we could test more effectively for that, but the Morse speed test
doesn't contribute to those objectives. All it shows is that you can do
Morse at a certain speed, which doesn't matter if you aren't doing Morse,
and is also irrelevant if you are doing Morse since the fact you are doing
it is evidence enough that you know how. If you don't do Morse well, no
planes are going to crash into apartment complexes and kill a bunch of
people. There's a safety mission to testing flight skills with various
types of aircraft, but there's no longer a safety mission for Morse Code.
If you can't do Morse, you won't do Morse, no harm, no foul, just a
limitation on your own operating flexibility.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:27 1995
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re:EME
        Wendy, I have to ask, where?  The antennas, rig, preamps?
Paul
wb2oyc
ar..



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
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Subject: ARRL Fall National Exam Day (September 30, 1995) Testing
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In article <43p4kn$[e-mail]> Bart writes:

  > Below is a list of the upcoming ARRL Fall National Exam Day Test Sessions
  > that  we are aware of that are scheduled for Saturday, September 30,
  > 1995.
  >
  > The following states do not appear to have a scheduled activity.  If you
  > are aware of a VE team who will be testing on that date, please let us
  > know by Email ([e-mail]) or by phone to 860-594-0300 (or fax:
  > 860-594-0259).

  > Hawaii

  Must be a shortage of old TV sets to test the applicant's ability to home
  brew.


;--
;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
;
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; US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749       Phone: [phone]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve kn)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: source for MC3362
Date: 20 Sep 1995 14:44:54 -0400
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I'm looking for the MC3362 single chip receiver chip and the LM6321 buffer
opamp.
Question:  Does any one know of a source which carries this chip.  If the
chip is unavailable, is there an upgraded chip with a new manufactuers
part
number?  Hopefully they still have the chip (or similar one with the same
pin
outs).  Any help is appreaciated :)
please reply via E-mail.

Thanks de Steve, KD1EN


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard McAllister)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
writes:

[But forgets to direct followups to .policy, which he's usually
very good about... I've done so.]

>Jeff Lehman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>  The biggest problem we face is the loss of our spectrum.
>>Jeff, KD6DHB
>
>Not on HF ... We've gained new bands in the last decade  ...
>The threat of spectrum-loss lies above 30 MHz, where no knowledge
>of code is  necessary to operate.
>
>This supposed connection between the possible loss of spectrum and the
>code exams is pure fiction.

While Jeff's right about HF allocations increasing, and the VHF-and-up
spectrum being the ones under pressure, there's still a connection between
code tests and loss of spectrum; amateur radio's continued insistence on a
code requirement in the face of the continuing rapid abandonment of Morse by
other services makes us look like a nostagic old-tyme radio club.  Parties
trying to get ham spectrum reallocated can try to dismiss comments filed
by amateurs by pointing to the code requirements as evidence hams no longer
have any idea of how to make proper use of their frequencies.

Rich

--
Rich McAllister ([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:31 1995
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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JL-S&>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian
JL-S&>Carling) writes:

JL>The biggest problem we face is the loss of our spectrum.
JL>Why not center our certification on this fact, and proceed according
JL>Jeff, KD6DHB

BC>> Jeff, are you saying that we need to make it part of theory test to
BC>> ask prospective hams to answer questions about which portions of
BC>> the amateur spectrum are under fire from commercial interests?
BC>> What an unusual idea!
BC>> 73 - Brian, AF4K

JL-S&>Indeed, it's interesting to note that the portions of our spectrum that a
JL-S&>under the most pressure from commercial interests, and that are most usef
JL-S&>for
JL-S&>public service, are already available to all license classes.

JL-S&>Joe - AA3GN

Thank you Joe, EXACTLY my point!
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ We will not trade with businesses that do not post prices


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Donald R. Barker)
Subject: W2GHK - Silent Key
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My QSL for YV4BK was returned with a brief note which stated that
his manager W2GHK was deceased and that no QSL cards will be processed.

I am unable to locate a direct route in any of the available internet
callbooks or services.  If anyone has a direct route please contact
me at the above e-mail address.

Tnx es 73,

Don KE4JLN



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Dennis Borba)
Subject: Re: HAMFEST > Augusta Georgia - October 14, 1995
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The 47th annual Hamfest and Computer Show sponsored by the
Amateur Radio Club of Augusta will be held Saturday,
October 14 at the Evans Middle School, 4308 Washington Road,
Evans, Georgia.  Opening time is 9:00 AM and will conclude
at 4:00 PM.  Dealer setup will be Friday (6-9 PM) and Saturday
(6-9 AM).  All are welcome!  The talk-in frequency is 145.49 MHz.
Admission: $5.00 at the door.  Special events include:

     ARRL VE Testing - Noon
     ARES Forum - 11:00 AM
     Field Check for WAS, 5-Band WAS, VUCC
     Boneyard

For additional information contact Richard, KR4XN (706-860-3828) or
Rhonda, KE4DIM (706-560-9600) or e-mail: [e-mail]





From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:34 1995
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Subject: IPS Daily Report - 20 September 95
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 20/2330Z SEPTEMBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 20 SEPTEMBER AND FORECAST FOR 21 SEPTEMBER - 23 SEPTEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  76/14

GOES satellite data for 19 Sep
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   1.2E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 1.4E+08 (moderate)
       X-ray background: A7.0
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             21 Sep             22 Sep             23 Sep
Activity     Low                Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 21 Sep:  78/17

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: Quiet to unsettled, no data after
                                15 UT.

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 19 Sep
    Learmonth       11  3322 3---
    Fredericksburg  10                           4
    Planetary        8                           4

Observed Kp for 19 Sep: 1111 1111
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
21 Sep     8    Quiet to unsettled
22 Sep     8    Quiet to unsettled
23 Sep     8    Quiet to unsettled

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
20 Sep      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
21 Sep      normal         normal         normal
22 Sep      normal         normal         normal
23 Sep      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
20 Sep    23    Near predicted monthly values

Predicted Monthly T index for September: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
21 Sep    20    Near predicted monthly values
22 Sep    15    Near predicted monthly values
23 Sep    15    Near predicted monthly values

COMMENT: Observed MUFs at:
Darwin: Near predicted monthly values.
Townsville: Near predicted monthly values.
Hobart: Near predicted monthly values with sporadic E
        obscuring the F layer from 13-15 UT.

--
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PO Box 5606                       | WWW: http://www.ips.gov.au/rwc/
West Chatswood NSW 2057 AUSTRALIA | FTP: ftp://ftp.ips.gov.au/users/rwc/
tel: [phone]                | fax: [phone]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:35 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!ames!eos!jeffl
From: [e-mail] (Jeff Luszcz)
Subject: NET/Mac IP help needed (SFBay area)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 02:30:07 GMT
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Hi,
 I would like to get my packet station running using IP with the
NET/Mac program. I have the current copies of the NET/MAc program and
the mailer. I have a ip address and name (44.4.20.148) and my TNC
connected to my radio and all that good stuff.
  I have some questions about some off the parameters in my autoexec.net
file. Where would I get a route IP number for the South Bay (Redwood
City, CA) ? I would also like it to run my TNC off my printer port,
would that be ax1?
  THanks,
  -Jeff N2TIQ



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Vanerwegen)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SW BELL FA1010 ans. machine
Followup-To: misc.consumers,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Date: 20 Sep 1995 15:29:57 -0700
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Duane P Mantick ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Sometime back I bought a Southwestern Bell FA1010 Digital Answering machine.
: It is now out of warranty, but has "a problem" that I find annoying.

: I am an Amateur Radio operator, and consequently have a fair amount of
: radio receiving gear around.  This FA1010 generates a lot of nasty
: electrical noise on a multitude of radio frequencies, enough so to
: seriously interfere with the radio work.

: What I'd like to know is if there are any other folks out there with
: this same machine that have noticed a similar problem.

: I contacted the "help line" in the owners manual, and they were really
: very little help.  The guy said the machine "probably had a defective chip"
: but said that if it is out of warranty (pretty sure it is) they don't
: service them, all I can do is replace it.  Like I said, not especially
: helpful, as the machine *works* in all other respects.

: FYI, something else that I've noticed is that after a couple months, the
: internal clock (which you set for time/date stamping) will have fallen
: about 1 1/2 hours behind.  Whether or not this is in some way related to
: the RF noise, I don't know.  Again, I'll toss that out to the assembled
: masses.  :-)

: If you have related info., please email me.

: Duane
: [e-mail]

Go to radio shed and get some ferrite chokes. clip one around the phone
line another around the line cord. That SHOULD cut the bad vibes.



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (earl boatman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Operating 2m in south Caribbean
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 05:43:32 GMT
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[e-mail] (Thomas J. Farish) wrote:

>Hi,

>My wife and I are going on a cruise to the southern Caribbean and I'd like
>to know what is involved in operating my 2m HT while we're down there.  I
>know I need to get permission from the cruise line to operate while aboard
>ship, but what do I need from the following island/nations:  Barbados,
>Martinique, St. Maartens (Neth.), Antigua, St. Johns & St. Thomas (USVI),
>and Puerto Rico?

>Would someone provide a list of some of the more popular repeater
>frequencies
>down there?

>BTW, the only contacts I've had with Hams in the southern Caribbean was HF
>to Montserrat and the British and US Virgin Islands.

>Thanks for any info!  73

>tjf

>PS.  Yes, I know that most of the islands have been blown to splinters by
>hurricanes Luis and Marilyn, but hey, I want to be there when the volcano
>on Montserrat goes up!

><8^()

>--
>Thomas J. Farish, KJ5LT
>[e-mail]

>I don't speak for LANL and they don't speak for me.

>PGP public key available upon request

you must get permission from the captain.

Capt Earl A. Boatman     KB0NRK



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Telnet address for daily callsign updates
Date: 20 Sep 1995 21:16:37 -0500
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Can someone provide this?  I finally goaded my wife into taking the
tests and want to get her callsign to her.

Thanks.

dave


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Glenn Mead)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Telnet address for daily callsign updates
Date: 21 Sep 1995 13:50:52 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Adams) writes:
|> Can someone provide this?  I finally goaded my wife into taking the
|> tests and want to get her callsign to her.
|>
|> Thanks.
|>
|> dave

The best one I have found is:
http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html

glenn


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:41 1995
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Subject: Class Project: Please Help
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                      Questionnaire

Fellow amateurs,

I am doing an anthropological study to determine and categorize the
underlying reasons we are arguing either for or against having morse
code as an amateur radio licensing requirement. The argument itself
is clear cut - yes or no. This is not an officially funded study, but
rather part of a college class requirement that we each do personal
research. I will try to make my results known after the end of this
semester (Jan. '96). Please take a few minutes for answering the
questions below. Thanks for participating!

What is your occupation?

What class of amateur license do you hold?

How long have you been licensed?

What is your age?

Did you have difficulty in learning morse code? (I don't remember is
acceptable)

How was learning the code presented to you - as something difficult
that had to be trudged through, or as something that was an opportunity,
such as learning a new exotic language.

Did you learn morse code in the military?

Other hobbies or interests?

Any musical background?

Please present you the basis of your argument as to whether morse
code should be kept or removed (entirely) as a licensing requirement
for amateur radio.  Include all supporting references to your viewpoint.


Please email this directly back to me at [e-mail]

Thanks,

Bruce, WB4YUC






From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Standard C508A
Date: 21 Sep 1995 17:26:38 GMT
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In article <43nu9h$[e-mail]>, Howard Rosen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>HAS ANYONE FOUND OUT HOW TO MODIFY THE STANDARD C508 FOR CELLULAR

Why? It's not a cellular phone, and intentionally intercepting cellular phone
calls which aren't yours is illegal.

>[e-mail]

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Diane Marie Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for Ham Op Warren Crane's e-mail add
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 11:20:29 +0730
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Please, anyone acquainted with Ham operator Warren Crane of Northern
California (Marin County), I am looking for his e-mail address or
telephone number (I am not a Ham op). International directory service does
not show a telephone listing for him. He is an old family friend. Thanks
much.--Diane (Schmitt) Chan


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (fritz-o-matic)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for Ham Op Warren Crane's e-mail add
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 09:07:52 GMT
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[e-mail] (Diane Marie Chan) wrote:

>Please, anyone acquainted with Ham operator Warren Crane of Northern
>California (Marin County), I am looking for his e-mail address or
>telephone number (I am not a Ham op). International directory service does
>not show a telephone listing for him. He is an old family friend. Thanks
>much.--Diane (Schmitt) Chan

131 Jamaica St.
Tiburon CA 94920



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:44 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (William D Ricker)
Subject: Re: 49MHz talkie tweeked up to 6 meters?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Swamp-Castle Press, Boston
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:21:22 GMT
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[should this thread be in r.r.a.homebrew?]

The British magazine Practical Wireless, April 1995, had a cover
article titled The Handy from Tandy, which details the 6m ham
conversion of 49MHz license exempt transceivers, featuring the Radio
Shack TRC-501, a 49MHz FM xtal-controld single-channel  transceiver. Single
and three-channel models are xtal controlled and thus easy to convert, while
5-channel models are synthesized and not as simple.  Baby monitors are FM,
but typically have insensitive, single-conversion receivers.

The article comments that the later TRC-505 is similar but doesnt come
with a schematic diagram, and that the Jesan three-channel unit may be
worth converting.

The steps in the TRC-501 conversion are (a) replace xtals & retune; (b)
boost power; (c) upgrade IF filter; (d) replace antenna with BNC and
impedance match.

A nice feature of this magazine is every project article has a side-bar
written by a second author who attempts to follow the instructions
given and provides comment. In this case, the second fellow got the
Tandy maintenance manual and was able to (d2) simplify the antenna circuit
(output was 50ohm already), (e) convert the CALL button to a squelch defeat,
and (f) set it for max deviation.

They note that if using this QRP xcvr as the exciter to a power amp,
harmonic filtration may be required.

As to what good is a 6m FM QRP rig, they suggest using them for rally
control, local comms, and a novices first phone project.

Practical Wireless in imported into the US by Barnes & Noble; it may be
available at some libraries.
--
Bill Ricker, The Swamp-Castle Press    "The freedom of the press belongs
[e-mail]      N1VUX            to those who own one."--A.J.Lieberman


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (WARREN WHITBY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RE: 49MHz talkie tweeked up to 6 meters?
Date: 21 Sep 95 19:53:44 GMT
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Can anyone pass along instructions on how to convert 49mHz WTs to
6m?

Warren Whitby
[e-mail]
73 de KE4ITL



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Police Radar and 2m mobile
Date: 21 SEP 95 11:11:22
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In article <43o26i$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes...
>I thought there was only two types.  Moving and Stationary.  Some of those
>types listed above were put out of service a few years ago and replace by
>K-55's out here on the west coast.  I rarely ever see a ghost reading on a
>K-55.  Times that I see a ghost reading is when the defroster is running it
>seems to set it off right at 22mph every time, heavy fog and strong winds.

Hmpf, that's interesting... so the defroster fan modulates it at the right rate
to read 22 MPH?

When I got my first motorcycle, I was constantly being pulled over/ticketed for
going ridiculously high speeds... like 55 MPH in a 30, and I'm certain I was
doing just about 35 at the time. This bike had spoked wheels.

Bought a new bike, presto, no more stops, no more tickets. I know I didn't
change my riding habits. This bike had alloy wheels.

Ya gotta wonder...

-Tom R.   N1OOQ   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Watts)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack Speaker-mic??  Any good?
Date: 21 Sep 1995 09:48:36 -0600
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John Thompson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: ...I though the RS Speaker mic might be a good choice.  Can you post or
: e-mail me your experiences with this mic?  Is it too big?  Sound quality,

It's big enough to be comfortable in a gloved hand, the audio quality is
a little lacking.
My speaker went out after about 18 months, but my pickup was real noisy...
Galen, KF0YJ


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jason Godfrey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack Speaker-mic??  Any good?
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:52:46 +0000
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In article <43qjtn$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(John Thompson) wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am in the market for a reasonably priced speaker mic for my Yaesu ft-530
> and I though the RS Speaker mic might be a good choice.  Can you post or
> e-mail me your experiences with this mic?  Is it too big?  Sound quality,
> etc.  I would really appreciate any replies.
>


I had one for awhile. After just two weekends of use it broke. The
connection at the radio end of the mic came loose. Nothing that couldn't
be fixed, but I was camping with only a few tools.

My advice: Don't get it.


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Don Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack Speaker-mic??  Any good?
Date: 22 Sep 1995 06:11:55 GMT
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In article <43s2bg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>>[e-mail] (John Thompson) wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am in the market for a reasonably priced speaker mic for my Yaesu ft-
>530
.
>I bought one of these when I got my HTX-202 and returned it within a few
>days.  The microphone works well, but the speaker is much too small and
>has poor audio.  There should be a switch, allowing for use of the HT
>speaker in conjunction with the external mic.
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM
>
John has an FT530 and it can be programed to use the HT's built in speaker instead
of the speaker of the radio shack speaker mic.  As a mater of fact, John can
program the 2 meter side of the Ft530 to come out the HT's speaker, and program the
440 side of the HT to come out the Speaker Mic's speaker..

John, I recommend the large MFJ 284 speaker mike. It works well with my FT 530, and
I think it sells for around $25.00... If you can not get one of those, then the
Radio Shack Speaker mikes works well also.. Whatever you do, do not, I say again,
do not waste your money on the little Yaesu MH18A2B speaker mike.. It is a piece of
junk, The speaker in it is way to small to hear, and it is way to expensive..

Hope this helps..

Don Murray
AE4BR



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (WARREN WHITBY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RE: 49MHz talkie tweeked up to 6 meters - sounds like fun
Date: 21 Sep 95 19:57:05 GMT
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>Possible, but why would anybody bother?  All you would end up with is
>a  radio that is capable of transmitting simplex-only on a single 6-meter
>frequency with a power output of 100Mw or less.

Sounds like it would be fun to have 6m QRP.

Warren Whitby
[e-mail]
73 de KE4ITL



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:51 1995
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From: pgatz@199.0.65.2
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 49MHz talkie tweeked up to 6 meters? --> cordless handset boost experiment
Date: 21 Sep 1995 21:14:33 GMT
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>Some months ago their was a thread about taking 49MHz cordless phones and
>putting them onto 6 meters or 2 meters. The view from that thread was yes
>it is quite do able, and depending on the design of the phone can be
>quite straight forward.
>
>With kids walkie-talkies it should be just as possible, maybe easier
>(unlike with the cordless phones, you do have a PTT button already there).
>On the downside, the walkie-talkies are limited to a MAX of 100mw output
>(with all the range that implies) and goodies like a DTMF pad are almost
>out of the question.
>
>Still, the thought of looking for my next transciever at "Toys 'R' Us" is
>neat and perverse enough for me to look into it....
>
>Colin McGregor - VE3ZAA


In theory it should be possible to modify a cordless phone base/handset
("substiantial power boost") in order to be able to get , Ooh, maybe say 2-3
miles distance, much like a lo-wattage UHF transceiver.

skipping a lot of the theory and vy basic fundamental research, here's what
some of us young locals are trying... suggestions and advice are solicited

we've taken a cordless telephone base station and hooked it up to an external antenna
we designed to enhance the 40-55MHz range.
Still needing to do, take the present weak signal of the base and "amplify it" up
to say 10-15 watts.
Any suggestions from the radio or CB "boosters" are welcome as to types of
amps we should use

we've taken the handset and relocated it to our "mobile vehicle test station" [my car].
we've removed the antenna and replaced it with an external antenna we designed
for 45-50 MHz
the last thing left to do here is to boost the weak handset signal to @least
10 watts of output.  we were thinking of locating and modifying some type of
ham or CB radio signal booster.

Can we solicit your thoughts, suggestions or pointers?
thanx much,
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:52 1995
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From: Pierre Thomson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 49MHz talkie tweeked up to 6 meters? --> cordless handset boost experiment
Date: 21 Sep 1995 21:59:27 GMT
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pgatz@199.0.65.2 wrote:
>
> In theory it should be possible to modify a cordless phone base/handset
> ("substiantial power boost") in order to be able to get , Ooh, maybe say 2-3
> miles distance, much like a lo-wattage UHF transceiver.
>
> skipping a lot of the theory and vy basic fundamental research, here's what
> some of us young locals are trying... suggestions and advice are solicited
>
> we've taken a cordless telephone base station and hooked it up to an external antenna
> we designed to enhance the 40-55MHz range.
> Still needing to do, take the present weak signal of the base and "amplify it" up
> to say 10-15 watts.
> Any suggestions from the radio or CB "boosters" are welcome as to types of
> amps we should use
>
> we've taken the handset and relocated it to our "mobile vehicle test station" [my car].
> we've removed the antenna and replaced it with an external antenna we designed
> for 45-50 MHz
> the last thing left to do here is to boost the weak handset signal to @least
> 10 watts of output.  we were thinking of locating and modifying some type of
> ham or CB radio signal booster.
>
> Can we solicit your thoughts, suggestions or pointers?

Suggestion:  give it up.  Most 49 MHz cordless phones use the same
antenna for both transmit and receive, with a set of filters for
duplexing.  You can't put an amplifier between a duplexer and an
antenna; it can't amplify both ways at once, and if it amplifies
in one direction it breaks the path the other direction.

Additionally, you are asking for a lot of irate neighbors, (TVI as
well as cordless interference) and possible legal action.

I have seen in the UK a set made by Tamagawa which uses 49/72 MHz
and does about a mile with outdoor antennas.  It interferes with
VHF TV (would be channel 4 in U.S.) but still would probably do a
better job than anything an average guy could put together.

73 de KA2QPG, Pierre


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Buch)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Strange A/C Interference Problem.
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 20:30:44 GMT
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[e-mail] (Motu Iti) wrote:
(Clipped)
>Intermittently there comes across the screen of my TV  & VCR, horizontal
>static lines. It was determined by the Cable Co fellow that these were
>caused by some device causing AC interference to leak into my homes cable
>network. My home cable network has many outlets that I use an amplified 4X
>splitter.

>Anyway I CAN understand what he is talking about but here is my dilemma.
>Every time this random occurrence happens, I can go over to one of the
>wall light switches in the room, turn on the lights they control ( just
>momentarily)  and the static lines go away and usually doesn't come back
>for a while.
I would be willing to bet that you have either a defective switch at
the wall.  Turn off the power at the circuit breaker and see if the
problem stops.  If it does, replace the switch and restore power.  If
the problem returns, try replacing the breaker on this circuit.
__________________________________________________

Joe Buch - N2JB
Editor - Technical Topics - NASWA Journal
Virginia Beach, Virginia
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Signal coding in a harsh environemt was(Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <43rrjc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel) writes:
>
>Having used about every digital method at one time or another, I have
>found that some digital methods fail when the singal drops below a
>certain level.  This level also varies depending on the digital method
>being used.  In virtually all methods, when the signal dropped off so
>that the digital method no longer worked, the signal was still strong
>enought that CW could have been perfectly readable.

It's not the method at fault, it's your selection of poor implementations
of the method that are at fault. Even plain old FSK has the same noise
immunity as OOK, and with half the peak spectral power required. Transmission
encoding is a snap, of course, and easily done to *any* transmitter. Decoding
requires some care in design to give good performance. A lot of the boxes on
the market are half-hearted attempts at best, just plain boneheaded at worst.
Often they use perversions of telco modem chips, or crude PLL decoders,
neither suited to the HF environment.

Even plain old RTTY can be copied down in the noise floor with a good
decoder, even a good old fashioned low tech decoder such as those designed
by Irv Hoff back in the 60s. Of course DSP can make the decoder easy and
cheap compared to the toroids and vacuum tubes of Irv's designs. And more
robust codings can really improve performance.

Don't condemn the method because you've only used poor implementations
of it. Galena and spark were used with Morse too, but they don't define
the ultimate capability of the encoding. KAMs and PK-232s are *not*
defining technologies for machine digital, anymore than galena and spark
are for manual Morse. Just because *they* suck, doesn't mean the method
sucks.

When I did the first RTTY QSO on Oscar 10, I could detect the signal
by ear (barely) but wouldn't have been able to read Morse in that
noise (though perhaps a few exceptional people might have), but the
good old HAL TU pulled the copy out just fine with 90+% accurate
print. Now that's a *crude* system by today's SOTA standards, but
one hell of a lot better than the PK-232 I had. New and expensive
doesn't *necessarily* translate to better, though of course it can
if the designers are competent.

I've been working with the Analog Devices DSP kit and have programmed a
simple modem that can detect signals I *can't* hear in the noise. For
plain RTTY with no error correction, it's far from a perfect system (and
user hostile as all hell right now, no tuning indicator, kludgy two port
interface to the pc, etc). When I get m-ary coding working, and convolutional
error correction coding, it should be less crude, and if I can figure out
a way around the loose coupling to the PC, less user hostile as well. All
that with a little board that cost $80 *including* development tools. The
chip itself is only a few bucks.

I've also stumbled on a real find at a local surplus house, an IBM DSP
soundcard designed to work with their educational software division's
speech bios. It uses a TMS320C25, has shared memory and bidirectional
interrupts between the host and the DSP processor, 88.2 kHz sample rate,
16 bits, etc. It even has a technical reference good enough to let you
figure out how to program it yourself (with the right TMS development
tools, which you can scrounge off the net). This thing holds real promise
for implementing a good tightly coupled DSP decoding system. It was cheap
too (don't bother to write, I got the last one that they had, nah, nah).
Of course TAPR sells a better board, but it's a kit, and costs a lot more
than my surplus find. The C25 should have enough horsepower for the low
rate codings I'm working with.

Of course you could just buy a HAL P-38 for $399 and have a turnkey
solution approaching the Shannon limit within less than 10 db, but that's
no fun. Voyager got down to within 4 db of the Shannon Eb/No limit with
tandem coding. We *can* do at least as well today for milli-pennies on
the dollar of what that system cost. OOK is at least 9 db worse for the
same error rate/speed as a good antipodal PSK, even with a decent error
correcting coding, with Morse it is many more db worse because the *code*
isn't a good one for the noisy channel (it was designed for quiet landlines
after all, and before information theory told us what a good code should be).

As example, at the Eb/No of an EME signal where practiced operators
can just, sometimes, distinguish a long Morse T or M, good digital codes
are giving 100% accurate copy at 40 bps or better. At slightly better
signal levels, the error rate decreases asymptotically, and much higher
bps become practical. We've understood the theory of these systems for
nearly 50 years, and now the hardware to implement them correctly is
becoming dirt cheap thanks to modern microelectronics. Who will be the
first amateur EMEers to throw away that power gobbling amplifier and
replace its gain with the coding gain of a tiny scrap of silicon?

Gary
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:57 1995
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 18:55:00 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Roger Cravens)
Subject: 49MHz talkie tweeked
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The last time our heros met, [e-mail] mumbled to All
   about 49MHz talkie tweeked

 Wt> From: [e-mail] (William C. Thompson)
 Wt>
 Wt> Use a baby monitor re-xtaled as a cheep way to get on 6. My friend
is
 Wt> useing a setup like this. When the local repeater gang brangs to
him
 Wt> about there hi dollar gear. He laughs and comes back with the fact
he
 Wt> is on a Fisher-Price. :O
 Wt> --
 Wt> Sgt. Bill Thompson / KC4ZUB             <0>
 Wt> [e-mail]   Georgia Tech Police Dept. Atlanta GA.   <0>
 Wt> The Olympic Village Police Dept. Money buys things, Power makes
 Wt> things happen. Given a choice, always take Power.-->Roger Zelazny
 Wt> <0>     LOOK, I AM THE DAMN NRA!

Bill, if you get this, would apprecaite a chat with you (I'm from
Douglas County and work at Centers for Disease Control off
Chamblee-Tucker on I-85/North).  Home phone's in the book.

Roger Cravens
KE4YQZ

... DOOR:(v.): Something you throw obnoxious liberals out of!

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:33:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Patch Antennas -- References??
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 17:49:18 GMT
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In the October '95 issue of QST, Hal Ward (W1GE) wrote an article on a
GPS patch antenna.  One of the references he used to design the
antenna was a book by David Pozar titled "Antenna Design Using
Personal Computers".  Hal also noted that the book was published by
Artech House in '85 and is out of print.

It is also out of library.  My library did a data search and came up
empty.  Does anybody know either (a) where I can get my hands on a
copy of this book even if only for a day or (b) another good reference
text for patch antennas.  Neither Jasik nor Hamsher (my two antenna
bibles) make any reference to a "patch" antenna.

You can post here or email me, whichever suits your fancy.  BTW, I
will obviously be willing to pay copy and/or postage costs for any of
this information.

Thanks for your help, gang.

Jim



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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Buch)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Patch Antennas -- References??
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 20:30:42 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jim Weir) wrote:
(Clipped)
b) another good reference
>text for patch antennas.  Neither Jasik nor Hamsher (my two antenna
>bibles) make any reference to a "patch" antenna.
I attended an international conference on patch antennas sponsored by
the Physical Science Lab of New Mexico State University in 1984 or
1985.  The proceedings from this conference may be available from the
NMSU library.  I donated my copy to the GTE Federal Systems Division
library in Chantilly VA.  The book was about two inches thick and had
a red cover.  Try to e-mail the librarian, Bonnie Whitland, at
[e-mail].  Good luck.  They are really neat
antennas.  Depending on how you feed them you can get simultaneous
right and left hand circular polarization.

__________________________________________________

Joe Buch - N2JB
Editor - Technical Topics - NASWA Journal
Virginia Beach, Virginia
________________________________________
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Bruhns)
Subject: Re: Patch Antennas -- References??
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Jim Weir ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In the October '95 issue of QST, Hal Ward (W1GE) wrote an article on a
: GPS patch antenna.  One of the references he used to design the
: antenna was a book by David Pozar titled "Antenna Design Using
: Personal Computers".  Hal also noted that the book was published by
: Artech House in '85 and is out of print.

: It is also out of library.  My library did a data search and came up
: empty.  Does anybody know either (a) where I can get my hands on a
: copy of this book even if only for a day or (b) another good reference
: text for patch antennas.  Neither Jasik nor Hamsher (my two antenna
: bibles) make any reference to a "patch" antenna.

"Reference Data for Engineers," published by Howard Sams, has a chapter
on antennas which by its own admission is a broad-brush overview.  The
seventh edition, at least, has a page or so on "Printed-Circuit
Antennas," including the patch antenna.  There are several references.
The fundamental one seems to be Deschamps and Sichak, "Microstrip
Microwave Antenna,"  Proc. 1953 Allerton Antenna Symposium, University
of Illinois.  Skipping several references, we come to the following text
and footnote-reference:

    "... Although a square patch could be fed on two adjacent sides with
    the proper phases to obtain circularly polarized radiation, simpler
    circularly polarized patches have been developed."

    (Reference to above:  Kerr, J. L.  "Microstrip Antenna Developments."
    Proc. Printed Circuit Antenna Technology Workshop, October, 1979, New
    Mexico State University.

Many of the references are to papers from conferences, alas.

73, K7ITM



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:02 1995
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: callsigns
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 19:26:41 -0500
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There's a simple explanation - they've run out of them!  The FCC will not
reissue vacated call signs (where either the license or the holder has
expired or the call sign turned in for another) until the first gate of the
Vanity Call Sign Program opens (possibly in just a few days!).
 -
Check out any of the call sign listings to see what I mean...
 -
73 de Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB
Stillwater, NY
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:03 1995
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From: Robert McClure <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Manufacturer's web sites?
Date: 22 Sep 1995 00:02:00 GMT
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Does anyone out there know if the major radio makers (Alinco, Icom, Kenwood,
Yaesu, etc.) have web sites where you can read about their products?

If you do know of these and you don't mind forwarding the info, please
email me at the address below:

[e-mail]

Thanks for your time folks!



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clay Irving)
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Subject: Re: Manufacturer's web sites?
Date: 22 Sep 1995 09:48:09 -0400
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In <43sudo$[e-mail]> Robert McClure <[e-mail]> writes:

>Does anyone out there know if the major radio makers (Alinco, Icom, Kenwood,
>Yaesu, etc.) have web sites where you can read about their products?

>If you do know of these and you don't mind forwarding the info, please
>email me at the address below:

>[e-mail]
>
>Thanks for your time folks!

On the web, try: http://www.panix.com/clay/ham.html#stores
on my Radio Reference page.

[ emailed to Robert... ]

--
- o - o     Clay Irving ([e-mail]), N2VKG
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Sid George)
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If you live around Houston, check out my new web site at
hhtp://www.hal-pc.org/~sid
Best when viewed with Netscape


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gerry Garcia)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Radio Mods
Date: 22 Sep 1995 03:14:05 GMT
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I had a few monts ago a file that had hundreds of mods for Ham's and
Scanners. I have since lost it and can't figure out which site it was on.

I was wondering if anyone had this type of files (handled Radio Shack
scanners, Yaesu's, and all the other scanners and radios).

If you have it, or can get it - please drop me some email.

Thanks in advance.




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:07 1995
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>>>>I had a few monts ago a file that had hundreds of mods for Ham's and
Scanners. I have since lost it and can't figure out which site it was on.







http://www.qrz.com/index.html




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>>>>I had a few monts ago a file that had hundreds of mods for Ham's and
Scanners. I have since lost it and can't figure out which site it was on.







http://www.qrz.com/index.html




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>>>>I had a few monts ago a file that had hundreds of mods for Ham's and
Scanners. I have since lost it and can't figure out which site it was on.







http://www.qrz.com/index.html




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>>>>I had a few monts ago a file that had hundreds of mods for Ham's and
Scanners. I have since lost it and can't figure out which site it was on.







http://www.qrz.com/index.html




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:10 1995
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From: Johnny Donovan-Wabc-NY <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Radio Mods
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I had a few monts ago a file that had hundreds of mods for Ham's and
Scanners. I have since lost it and can't figure out which site it was onI
had a few monts ago a file that had hundreds of mods for Ham's and
Scanners. I have since lost it and can't figure out which site it was on

http://www.qrz.com/index.html



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sorry... new news reader...I don't know why It posted all those messages
<G>



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:12 1995
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From: Jack Palladay <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Can anyone recomend Logging software ?
Date: 22 Sep 1995 04:00:16 GMT
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[e-mail] (BUDDY10) wrote:
>
> Can someone recomend some logging software ?

 I would recommend DXBase Rel.4.5.   It does all you ask and more.
 Several CD/ROM interfaces, tracking of major awards, label print out
 and much more.  It is a DOS program but works great under Windows 3.1.
 Scientific Solutions has a page on the web where you can get more
 complete information.  I can't remember the URL but you should find
 it in the WebCrawler.

  73 de Jack, N9ICE


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BUDDY10)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How do DX packetclusters work ?
Date: 21 Sep 1995 20:05:39 -0400
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How do DX packetclusters work ?   How do you get hooked up to one ?  Are
there any in the Los Angeles area ?  Thanks to anyone willing to help.

Scott Powell
KD6GPV
General since 1995 !


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:14 1995
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From: Ben Buxton <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,aus.radio.*
Subject: NEW HAM RADIO HOME PAGE!!!
Date: 20 Sep 1995 12:20:07 GMT
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The Waverley Amateur Radio Society in Sydney, Australia has a home
page now! There's info on the club history, membership info,
and links to other Ham radio pages on the Web.
Check it out at:

http://www.zip.com.au/~bb/wars.html

Feedback would be appreciated.

--
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|   |  Ben Buxton          [e-mail]      irc: rifleman       |   |
| . |_____________________________________________________________| . |
|___|/\/  /\ \    /\  /    ooO/     \Ooo  /  \/  /\ /  \  / /  \  |___|



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Horrock)
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Subject: Re: Russsian Tubes
Date: 21 Sep 1995 20:43:20 -0400
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The Russian tubes are good stuff.  They are made from the best plans
Ivan could steal from Eimac.  I have been running four of them for about
2 years without problem.

73.


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Schwartz)
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Subject: Re: Non-inductive Resistors?
Date: 22 Sep 1995 05:09:14 GMT
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mark.a.mccuistion ([e-mail]) wrote:

: But in the meantime, if I stroll down to RS, what do I need to look for?
: If I just buy the standard red-pack of 5 resistors, will they be the
: right kind?

Be careful here.  What you want is a carbon-comp(osition) resistor, NOT a
carbon film or metal film.  Film type resistors (very common) are made by
winding a "resistive film" over a form.  I just chopped the paint off a
Radio Shack 1/2 W resistor (271-1115, 470 Ohm) and it APPEARS to be a
carbon comp type.

Good Luck!
--
73,
Gary K9GS    (You have to STOP the Q-Tip when there's resistance !)
         ________________________________________________________________
        |                                                                |
        | Gary Schwartz  K9GS           E-Mail: [e-mail] |
        | Society of Midwest Contesters   Packet:[e-mail] |
        | Greater Milwaukee DX Association Secretary/Treasurer           |
        |________________________________________________________________|





From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:17 1995
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From: william@cortex (William Biggs)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Want cordless phone recommendation
Date: 22 Sep 1995 03:31:59 GMT
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Dale Mosby ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I would like to add a cordless phone to our house.
: Requirements are that it scramble in some way such that
: conversations cannot be eaisly intercepted with scanner.
: I'm guessing that this means digital or spread spectrum.
: I would like good audio quallity.  Having easily replaced
: ni-cads would be great.

: And what would be *really* nice is to have it not be affected
: by 100 watts of CW or 500 watts SSB from an antenna 50 feet away.

: Any hams that have found a good cordless phone such as this?

: Thanks.  73, Dale  N7PEX

: --
:   Dale Mosby                     / [e-mail]   / N7PEX
:   Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. / uunet!sequent!dale / USPSA A-27540
:   15450 SW Koll Parkway          / [e-mail]
:   Beaverton, Or.  97006-6063     / 503-578-9842


Dale,

I have been using the VTech 900 for about 2 years. It has a digitally
encrypted signal that is randomly reprogrammed any time you put the
handset in the charger. Listening to its output is totally white noise.
It chooses the best available 900mHz channel available.

They now have a high end version that handles 2 lines and has caller id
on the reciever as well.


I've seen these as low as $149 recently.

I have used them near our 10m, 6m, 2m and 70cm equipment without
problems,


It does get some transient noise when within a few feet of a microwave
oven.

NiCads are a standard AT&T size and available at places like Best Buy,
but at 2 years mine still work fine. My only complaint is the buttons get
a little bouncy after a while. This sometimes causes me to dial 122-34567
when I wanted 123-4567. A new unit about 6mo old doesn't do this at all,
so perhaps they've fixed that problem.



William C. Biggs , MD
KC5JIF                            Howdy from the High Plains of Texas
1900 South Coulter Drive
Amarillo, TX 79106



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: EXTRA AT 12 WPM - HERE'S HOW! (was: Is US ham license in Canada valid?)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 95 03:54:15 GMT
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[e-mail] (David R Tucker) wrote:

>Want Extra privs at 12 WPM?  Try this:
>
>1. Immigrate to Canada.
>
>2. Get a full licence/operator's certificate.  (Canadian residents are
>supposed to use a Canadian licence.)
>
>3. Wait 3 years and get Canadian citizenship. (This step is not
>strictly necessary except to avoid statelessness.)
>
>4. Renounce your US citizenship.
>
>5. Immigrate to the US (it helps a lot to have a spouse who kept US
>citizenship - no quota).
>
>Bingo!  You can do anything an Extra can do, except 1) give exams and
>2) use 420-430 MHz (and if you have/get a Technician license, you can
>even do that).  Of course, you can't vote for President any more, but
>who cares?

  Come on, the Extra code requirement has already been reduced to about
15 wpm, practically speaking, if you take the test where they use the
ten question multiple choice exam.  I took 13 wpm back in 1970 under the
"one minute of solid copy rule" and passed 20 wpm a few weeks ago
using the multiple choice quiz.  Although I scored 100% on the quiz,
I'd estimate my "real" code speed (at one minute of solid copy) is
about 15 wpm.  So the ham radio test code requirements have already
been lowered in a real sense.

  And you already get a chance to look at all of the "technical" questions
on the test.  Extra is so easy now that I can't imagine why everyone
hasn't passed it.  Moving to Canada would be MUCH more trouble.

  And I STILL get to vote against the President and Slick Willie.

=========Opinions expressed are solely those of the author============
Curt Phillips, KD4YU (ex-WB4LHI)      | "Computer users will need a
[e-mail]   | mouse when they grow a third
Chairman, Tarheel Scanner/SWL Group   | arm." --President of Wordstar
ARRL Life; QCWA; Raleigh Am Radio Soc |                   circa 1983




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:19 1995
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From: Jay Marvin <[e-mail]>
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Subject: I Need Help!
Date: 22 Sep 1995 08:00:13 GMT
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I have a 68 year old blind listener who is somewhat home bound,
but wants to find out about getting her ticket. Can anyone here
direct me to someone in the Chicago area who can help with this?
Please E-mail me if you can help.
Thanks and 73,

Jay Marvin
WLS Radio

--
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
WLS AM & FM
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hams are a real gas (not my message).
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 17:24:49 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

>The following messages were sent to me by a ham that is afraid to be
>identified beacuse of the torment most of you will put him through for
>having a different opinion. But it is how most young peeple feel (that

        OK, Burt, put up or shut up.  "It is how most young people feel"?
References?  Clue?  Nope, I guess not.

>is why they quit the hobby or never get in it). But you can keep
>thinking whatever you want and let ham radio die. Some say I send flames
>but I am not the author of below. I get lots of support and many
>messages like the ones that follow.

        Not only is the author a twit, he's also a coward--"post it
everywhere, so everybody will be pissed off, but don't say who it's
from, so I won't catch any of it."  Is it really to much to ask for
people to defend their opinions and take responsibility for them?

        It's a bad idea to make sweeping generalizations, Burt.  You know
that, at least sometimes--if I've met a few Jews who are crooks, and
then say that "all Jews are crooks," all of a sudden I'm a Jew-hater,
which is the height of all evil on earth.  Of course, if that happens
with a German, it's all right.  Same thing goes here--some hams are
certainly the way your anonymous pal described them, but the statement
that 90% of them are is sheer idiocy.  Ditto with "most young people
feel this way."  How the hell do you know?

--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS
[e-mail], NOT [e-mail]
Don't tread on me.



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:21 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: ***BOY SCOUT SPECIAL EVENT***
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 11:12:03 GMT
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On SEPT 23 (Saturday) there will be a special event station WB1FFZ from the
Nashua ARC Frequencys will be 3.590, 3.940, 7.030, 7.290, 14.070, 14.290
18.080, 18.140, 21.140, 21.360, 24.910, 24.960, 28.190, 28.350, 28.990 and
145.09.
qsl  NARC POB 248 Nashua NH 03061
There will be over 6000 scouts in attendance at the jamboree for daniel
webster council BSA.  Give Us a call and 73
Barry, WB1EDI



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ben E. Cline)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need CE0Z  QSL route
Date: 22 Sep 1995 12:17:38 GMT
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In article <43mnsm$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ben E.
Cline) writes:
> I need the QSL route for CE0Z.  I couldn't find it on my
> local packet cluster or in the IK4LZH database.  Please
> e-mail me.

I received two messages that said K0IYF is the route for
CE0Z.  Thanks to those that replied.

73, Benjy

--
Benjy Cline, AC4XO, Ph.D.
Virginia Tech Computing Center
[e-mail]
http://benjy.cc.vt.edu:1951/~benjy/


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:23 1995
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Subject: Re: Buckmaster, Amsoft, QRZ! comparison
Date: 22 Sep 1995 12:58:28 GMT
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> I heard a rumour that the Flying Horse Call Book was going to put
> out a CD/ROM with all the callbook databases.  Anyone heard anything
> definite on this?

Yes, Jack.  They've advertised in the October issues of both CQ and QST.
About $50 for the CD containing US and DX listings.

Joe


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Babul)
Subject: Saouth Asian DX News
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From: [e-mail] (Babul)
Date:   22 Sep 1995 03:34:58 cdt
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Saouth Asian DX News


Dear Friend,

Here are some latest S.Asian DX news for your reference.
Please note that our address is changed. The new address
is:  [e-mail]
Please send CC: to [e-mail]
73's -- Babul Gogoi
For DX NETWORK CLUB
--------------------
South-Asian DX News
-------------------
Monitored by BABUL GOGOI at GOLAGHAT, in INDIA.
(During September 11th to 16th)
All transmissions are in Elglish.

kHz    Time-UTC        STATION

5005   0215-0225       Radio Nepal, Kathmandu // 7165
5025   1415-1500       Bhutan B.Service, Thimphu
5990   1430-1600       V.O.Myanmar, Yangoon
6005   0030-0430       Srilanka B.C., Colombo, // 9720, 15425
6035   0915-1000       Bhutan B.Service,Thimphu
6155   2300-2400       Radio Singapore (domestic service); also at
1100-1605
7425   1600-1630       Radio Pakistan, Islamabad, // 9486
9530   1100-1405       Radio Singapore Int'l, Singapore

---
South-Asian DX News
-------------------
Monitored by BABUL GOGOI at GOLAGHAT, in INDIA.
(During September 11th to 16th)
All transmissions are in Elglish.

kHz    Time-UTC        STATION

5005   0215-0225       Radio Nepal, Kathmandu // 7165
5025   1415-1500       Bhutan B.Service, Thimphu
5990   1430-1600       V.O.Myanmar, Yangoon
6005   0030-0430       Srilanka B.C., Colombo, // 9720, 15425
6035   0915-1000       Bhutan B.Service,Thimphu
6155   2300-2400       Radio Singapore (domestic service); also at
1100-1605
7185   0200-0230       V.O. Myanmar, Yangoon
7185   1230-1300       Radio Bangladesh, Dhaka; also at 1800-1900 same
freq.
9530   1100-1405       Radio Singapore Int'l, Singapore
9720   1230-1730       Srilanka B.C, Colombo, // 15425
11635  0930-1100       FEBC Radio Int'l, Manila
11995  1300-1600       FEBC Radio Int'l, Manila
12015  0230-0245       Radio Pakistan, Islamabad, // 15190 17705 21730
15190  1730-1830       V.O.Philippines, Manila, // 17840
15450  0000-0200       FEBC Radio Int'l, Manila
15620  0800-0850       Radio Pakistan, Islamabad, // 17900
17760  0230-0330       V.O.Philippines, Manila, // 15190 17820

/EXIT
------------------------------------------------
Babul Gogoi (Internet: [e-mail])
(Also join me in the ISCA BBS!- telnet://128.255.200.69)



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jamie Ersbak)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ramsey Kits ok for newbie?
Date: 20 Sep 1995 23:33:48 GMT
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        I built my first two kits from Ramsey during the past year.  I have to
say that the CW-7 electronic keyer kit was a great first kit, and I
finished it in about two hours.  The instructions were very clear, and
the enclosure/knob set that they supply with it is very nice.  I can't
really say how good Ramsey is in relation to other kit manufaturers, but
I was impressed!  The technical support was very good, and after being
on hold for a little bit, they offered to call me back, long distance!
        So, give them a try!  If you like CW, and have a set of paddles (or
even if you don't), get the CW-7 keyer.  I've also made the Ar-1
AIRCRAFT RECEIVER, but that is for a more experienced builder.
        Good luck, and have a great time building!

73s,
Jamie AA3JZ (got my license in October '93)


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Muller VK1FF/WB2FFY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: YJ8AA QSLs
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 12:49:53 GMT
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Received a note from Frank Palmer, YJ8AA today asking that I pass
along his correct mail address (the one in the callbook is incorrect):

        Frank Palmer
        c/o  P.O. Box 6
        Port Vila
        Vanuatu

Frank also indicated that cards for other YJ's could also be
sent to his address.





From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ARuss36461)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Amateur Radio Club Activities?
Date: 22 Sep 1995 10:36:39 -0400
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
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I am trying to find out what types of activities different amateur radio
clubs coordinate in order to keep their members interested. If you are a
member of a club please share what activities you participate in or would
like to do. For example, does your club do non radio related things such
as going to ball games, holding picnics etc? Please let me know. Thank
You.
Avery

Avery
Compuserve [e-mail] (Alternate Address)


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Randolph)
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Subject: Land Mobile Radio FAQ needs your input!
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[This post lists all the information I'm looking for. You'll only have to look
 at this once in a while from now until the FAQ is ready - N1OOQ]

The Land Mobile Radio FAQ is now under way... I need your support!

What is it?

     A listing of those surplus police and taxicab radios from the various
manufacturers, how to identify them, what band they're on, how easy it is to
tweak them into the ham bands, average price used, etc., all in one file for
your flea market shopping convenience!

     What it's not is a mod manual. You won't find out HOW to do the mods in
the FAQ. That's up to you. You will find out where to get the manufacturer's
manuals, most of which have detailed tuning procedures. Some of the radios
can only be programmed by the manufacturer, and/or by using the
manufacturer's proprietary software. Such details will be in the FAQ.

     I'd like to include any and all mobile or handheld radios aimed at the
commercial or public service market. Many of these out-perform the imported
synthesized units by a long shot, are cheaper, and make great ham rigs! Let's
put these great radios back to work and on the air!

I NEED YOUR INPUT TO MAKE THIS A REALITY!

     You don't need to mail me manuals or anything like that, unless you WANT
to. All I ask is a few bits of data for any of these radios you or your
friends may have worked on in the past. If you've put one on the air, you've
had to answer these questions, so fill 'em out and send 'em in!

Model?                  Manufacturer, model name (like Mastr II, Syntor,
                        Delta, etc.), model number

Band?                   These radios are usually made for use in a specific
                        band of frequencies, like 30-50 MHz, 150-170 MHz,
                        450-470 MHz, etc.

Freq control?           Crystal, synthesized/ROM programmed,
                        synthesized/microprocessor programmed

Average price?          What did you pay? What prices did you see when
                        shopping? New or used?

Manual price?           How much did the manual cost?

Mod difficulty?         How hard was it to get it tuned to ham band?
                        Easy: re-crystal, tweak a few tuning screws
                        Difficult: program a new ROM, swap a few parts
                        Extremely difficult: Major modification and re-design
                                             of some circuits, you must pay
                                             authorized technician to use
                                             manufacturer's software

How to indentify?       What details do you need to know to tell these radios
                        apart? Does the serial number tell you anything? Does
                        the Model number? Are there physical differences?
                        This is the stuff you need to know when sorting
                        through the radios at the flea markets.  This
                        information is usually in the manufacturer's manuals
                        in great detail.

I will re-post this notice about every couple of weeks for a while, until the
FAQ is somewhat filled out.

My net address is:   [e-mail]
All information, network pointers, periodical references, anything, is
appreciated, and thanks in advance!

-Tom R.   N1OOQ   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:30 1995
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SCM> The military has systems designed to survive the loss of the
SCM>upper atmosphere and still communicate.  Do you really think that amatuer
SCM>radio will operate, or even be in existance, when these systems are needed
SCM>or fail?

You have obviously never listened to all of the amateur satellites
that pass over your head every day!
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ We will not trade with businesses that do not post prices



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:31 1995
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In article <43nk13$[e-mail]> Burt writes:

  > When I come up with "good ones" I am generally ignored.

  That should be obvious to you Burt. It's like the boy that cried wolf.
  You insist on making an ss of yourself SO MANY times, that when you
  actually throw out something clever it is ignored as just more noise.


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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:32 1995
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Subject: Re: Looking for first handheld, suggestions?
Date: 20 Sep 1995 07:18:46 GMT
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>So if anyone has any suggestions, please email me..
>[e-mail]

Hi Scott,

May be the best suggestion is, not to get a hand held at all. You may soon
find that its range and usefulness is rather limited and that you had spent
better the cash on an decent s/h mobile radio. Before investing money into
a twinbander you should enquire about the level of 70 cm activity in your
area. A large number of folks do have 70, but never used it.

73, Moritz DL5UH




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:33 1995
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Subject: Re: VHF vs. UHF
Date: 20 Sep 1995 07:21:47 GMT
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In article <43nplc$[e-mail]>,
Mr. G <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Could someone please tell me the advantages and disavantages of VHF vs.
>UHF?

In what respect? propagation? size of antenna? cost of equipment? level of
activity?




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:34 1995
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[e-mail] (Doug Arntson) wrote:


>Does anyone have a copy of the Easter Island QSL info that was recently
>posted ?


>Thanks,

>Doug
>WB0HRX

http://promet12.cincea.it/htdx/
http://ve7tcp.ampr.org/DX/Easter

73,

Victor
KO6ZK



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Abanil. Abram Y. C.)
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Subject: ARRL HANDBOOK, anyone?
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Is anybody willing to part with their ARRL
Handbook? I need one, but we don't have any
from this part of the world. I can't pay,
though.

No flames please.
Email me at [e-mail]

Thank you.

*******************************************



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: ARRL HANDBOOK, anyone?
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In article <43onal$[e-mail]>,
Abanil. Abram Y. C. <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Is anybody willing to part with their ARRL
>Handbook? I need one, but we don't have any
>from this part of the world. I can't pay,
>though.
>
>No flames please.
>Email me at [e-mail]
>
>Thank you.

Well, I tried to email you but the response was "920002 - user unknown"
so you need to repair your address. I forwarded your note on to
the ARRL with a request that they send your university library in
Manila a copy of the Handbook. But they won't be able to correspond
with you until you get a valid address.

73 from your neighbors in Hawaii,
Jeff NH6IL
(You folks really didn't elect Mrs. Marcos to your senate, did you? I
thought she was supposed to be in  jail.)


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
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All these are valid points to dump the code requirement.  And I'll bet we
could come up with a thousand more.  Everyone knows that it's ridiculous
to require knowledge of Morse code as a requirement for obtaining an
amateur radio license with HF privileges in 1995...but a group of ancient
operators, known as  "YE OLDE FAHRTZ" do not want to give up their
precious initiation rite.

You see, back when "YE OLDE FAHRTZ" got their licenses (MANY years ago),
knowledge of the code was a neccessary practice.  Even though it's been
many decades, and modern technology has rendered Morse code obsolete to
the point that even the military no longer uses it, "YE OLDE FAHRTZ"
continue to insist on it "because that's the way it's always been."

The next few years are going to see some hotly-contested battles between
the "new generation" of technologically-proficient operators who want to
move amateur radio into the 21st century with digital communciations and
"YE OLDE FAHRTZ" who will be kicking and screaming all the way, demanding
that the 19th century communication mode known as Morse code remains as a
roadblock...I, I mean a requirement to obtaining an amateur license with
privileges below 30Mhz.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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In <43nvph$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew
Durigan) writes:
>
>The next few years are going to see some hotly-contested battles
between
>the "new generation" of technologically-proficient operators who want
to
>move amateur radio into the 21st century with digital communciations
and
>"YE OLDE FAHRTZ" who will be kicking and screaming all the way,
demanding
>that the 19th century communication mode known as Morse code remains
as a
>roadblock...I, I mean a requirement to obtaining an amateur license
with
>privileges below 30Mhz.
>
There it is, some 700,000 amateurs distilled into your own little
heavy-handed morality play.  Nefarious, scheming, unkempt OLDE FAHRTZ
(turn on LAUGHTER sign here in case audience doesn't get it) vs. the
young, selfless, clear-eyed "new generation of
technologically-proficient operators" who want nothing more than to
conquer the mysteries of 300 baud HF communication.  Yup.

Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
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In <43rv6v$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew
Durigan) writes:

>...The code turns people off, period.  I can think of
>several technically-knowledgeable individuals who would make great
>additions to the amateur community, but they choose not to enter our
>ranks because of the code requirements.  I have worked at two radio
>stations where the CHIEF ENGINEER would have been a ham, if not for
>the code....

>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM
>
>
>
Heck Drew, I would have been an engineer if I did not have to learn all
that engineering stuff.  I mean math really turns me off.  Shoot, why
do you need to learn math in these days of calculators and computers.
The computers can solve about any engineering calculation.  I would
love to enter the ranks of engineering, but I refuse to until they drop
those stupid math requirements.  It is just a bunch of old farts that
keep insisting on newbies learning math in order to join their ranks.
In this day and age, who needs math.

I know a home builder who know plenty about engineering but he refuses
to learn the math like me.  He is perfectly capable of being an
engineer but he just hates the math.  This is the second home builder
that I have known that is perfectly capable and knowledgeable in
engineering, but is being kept out of the profession over this stupid
outdated math requirement.

Regards,

Duffy - WB8NUT


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Brown)
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[e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel) wrote:

>Heck Drew, I would have been an engineer if I did not have to learn all
>that engineering stuff.  I mean math really turns me off.  Shoot, why
        [snip]

        OK, really simple question:  Is CW necessary to communicate on HF?  I
don't mean legally or anything like that, just technically.  Clearly,
the answer is no.  People can communicate quite well without using CW,
whether they're using SSB, packet, AMTOR, or whatever.

        Second simple question:  Is math necessary to design electronic
things?  Hell, you need math for antennas.  The college engineering
courses don't care if you can multiply and divide, but understanding
the theory--which is essential to be able to design new
devices--requires substantial math background.

--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS
[e-mail], NOT [e-mail]
Don't tread on me.



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
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In <43t4iq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dan Brown) writes:

>       OK, really simple question:  Is CW necessary to communicate on
>HF?  I
>don't mean legally or anything like that, just technically.  Clearly,
>the answer is no.  People can communicate quite well without using CW,
>whether they're using SSB, packet, AMTOR, or whatever.

No, it is not necessary.  Is knowledge of CW important, I think so.
Let's use your argument below.  Is math necessary, yeah but a computer
can do that for you, just like a computer can communicate for you.  Why
do I need knowledge of math if a computer can do all the calculations
for me?

>       Second simple question:  Is math necessary to design electronic
>things?  Hell, you need math for antennas.  The college engineering
>courses don't care if you can multiply and divide, but understanding
>the theory--which is essential to be able to design new
>devices--requires substantial math background.

The theory of binary communications begins with knowledge of the most
basic form of binary communication, that is CW.  So by your argument,
it is important to have an understanding of CW.  5 WPM is about as
basic of an understanding as you can get.

Regards,

Duffy - WB8NUT

>--
>Dan Brown, KE6MKS
>[e-mail], NOT [e-mail]
>Don't tread on me.
>



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 95 04:25:43 GMT
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[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:
>>   The only thing keeping people from becoming hams or upgrading their
>>license is their lazyness. Even people with disabilities become hams and
>
>>I think that's fantastic.
>
>Absolutely wrong.  The code turns people off, period.  I can think of
>several technically-knowledgeable individuals who would make great
>additions to the amateur community, but they choose not to enter our
>ranks because of the code requirements.  I have worked at two radio
>stations where the CHIEF ENGINEER would have been a ham, if not for the
>code.  Here is a person who has obtained a First Class license from the
>FCC.  He can tune a 50Kw AM broadcast transmitter, but he cannot run a
>few hundred watts on 10-meters because he doesn't know Morse Code??!!
>Where is the logic here?

  Gee, someone should tell these oh-so-technically adept people about
the NO CODE TECH LICENSE!!!!

  Before we even THINK about eliminating the code requirement, we
should end the practice of releasing all of the questions that are
going to be on the test.  THERE ARE NO technical tests of any
significant difficulty under the current testing procedures.
  If these people are "top-notch technically", they shouldn't be
afraid of a test that will prove their technical expertise.

========== Opinions expressed are solely those of the author ===============
Curt Phillips, CEM KD4YU/AE (ex-WB4LHI)| "Microsoft is a synomym of SLOW!!!"
Engr Proj Mgr., Industrial & Research  | Contrib Ed., ENERGY USER NEWS
North Carolina Division of Energy;     | Chairman, Tarheel Scanner/SWL Group
Energy/Recycling BBS 704-547-3114     /ARRL Life; QCWA; Raleigh Am Radio Soc
[e-mail] == [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James W. KELLEY)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
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In article <43tebf$[e-mail]>,
Curt Phillips <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>  Gee, someone should tell these oh-so-technically adept people about
>the NO CODE TECH LICENSE!!!!

Pretty sour way to make an otherwise good point.  Are Police officers then
oh-so-authoratative, and Firemen oh-so-safetyminded?

>  Before we even THINK about eliminating the code requirement, we
>should end the practice of releasing all of the questions that are
>going to be on the test.  THERE ARE NO technical tests of any
>significant difficulty under the current testing procedures.
>  If these people are "top-notch technically", they shouldn't be
>afraid of a test that will prove their technical expertise.

Then tell us oh-most-knowledgeable one, how *should* we prepare for the
exams?   We should take a guess at the material that will be covered?
Sounds like trial and error to me.  Presumably you did not look at the
question pool when you upgraded last month?

Please reply to rec.radio.amateur.policy, or to my email address.

Jim
KE6JPO


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl  Budd Lake)
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Curt Phillips ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:
: >Absolutely wrong.  The code turns people off, period.  I can think of
: >several technically-knowledgeable individuals who would make great
: >additions to the amateur community, but they choose not to enter our
: >ranks because of the code requirements.  I have worked at two radio
: >stations where the CHIEF ENGINEER would have been a ham, if not for the
: >code.  Here is a person who has obtained a First Class license from the
: >FCC.  He can tune a 50Kw AM broadcast transmitter, but he cannot run a
: >few hundred watts on 10-meters because he doesn't know Morse Code??!!
: >Where is the logic here?

:   Gee, someone should tell these oh-so-technically adept people about
: the NO CODE TECH LICENSE!!!!

Why should they only have access to the 50MHz and above.   What makes CW
the final arbiter for HF access other than the International Treaty
which requires ONLY the ability of CW at no specified speed.  Why
should technically competent people be forced to learn CW at 13wpm
to be able to access the majority of HF amateur spectrum?  Seems
to me that someone who passes 5wpm meets any International CW treaty
requirement and then the technology testing (General, Advanced and
Extra) should define the incentive licensing aspect of band allocation
by license class.

:   Before we even THINK about eliminating the code requirement, we
: should end the practice of releasing all of the questions that are
: going to be on the test.  THERE ARE NO technical tests of any
: significant difficulty under the current testing procedures.
:   If these people are "top-notch technically", they shouldn't be
: afraid of a test that will prove their technical expertise.

Several points:
1. Much of the testing is and always will be rote memorization.
   There's nothing besides memorization that will provide an answer
   to amateur frequency band limits, FCC regulations, and a lot
   of other stuff that ttest questions address.

2. One immediate way to improve the testing would be to have a set
   of standard questions using various formulas (Ohm's law, etc.)
   that do not have any fixed values in the question pool.  Then, for
   any individual test session, the VEs could supply certain values
   for those questions which would at least force the test taker to
   actually do the computation(s).

3. Like it or not, the vast majority of license testing (non-ham)
   also includes multiple choice, etc.  To provide for a relatively
   easy way to accurately and fairly grade tests, there's just no
   way to avoid multiple choice.  Even in the 1950s when the FCC
   didn't identify the test question pools, there was always the
   AMECO test books and others that gave an almost total
   set of possible questions.  To do it any other way would be absolutely
   undoable because of time.

4. Remember that Amateur Licensing isn't to mandate or pronounce
   that the license holder is an "expert", but rather that he/she
   has exhibited sufficient MINIMUM requirments to be allowed on
   the air.

Cheers, ---------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Sohl  K2UNK     (Budd lake, New Jersey)      ([e-mail])
ARRL Local Government Liason, Mount Olive Township
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From: [e-mail] (JOHNSON WALTER ERIC)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
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Drew Durigan ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >Your complaining about the code but only have been a ham for 14 days?!
: >: Maybe not...but the fact is that the Morse requirement is keeping many

: >: would-be, technologically-proficient  young hams out of the hobby
: these
: >: days.  We have grown up with computers, digipeters, etc. and just
: don't
: >: see the need to learn "dahs" and "dits."  Seems about as useful as
: smoke
: >: signals.
: >
: >
: >   The only thing keeping people from becoming hams or upgrading their
: >license is their lazyness. Even people with disabilities become hams and

: >I think that's fantastic.

: Absolutely wrong.  The code turns people off, period.  I can think of
: several technically-knowledgeable individuals who would make great
: additions to the amateur community, but they choose not to enter our
: ranks because of the code requirements.  I have worked at two radio
: stations where the CHIEF ENGINEER would have been a ham, if not for the
: code.  Here is a person who has obtained a First Class license from the
: FCC.  He can tune a 50Kw AM broadcast transmitter, but he cannot run a
: few hundred watts on 10-meters because he doesn't know Morse Code??!!
: Where is the logic here?

Drew is correct.  Believe it or not, some people have better things to
do than to waste their precious time studying code.  On a scale of
1 to 10 of really important things to do, code ranks near the bottom
(just ahead of reading OJ Simpson's book).

Eric Johnson



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J. Duffy Beischel ([e-mail]) wrote:
: No, it is not necessary.  Is knowledge of CW important, I think so.
: Let's use your argument below.  Is math necessary, yeah but a computer
: can do that for you, just like a computer can communicate for you.  Why
: do I need knowledge of math if a computer can do all the calculations
: for me?

: >     Second simple question:  Is math necessary to design electronic
: >things?  Hell, you need math for antennas.  The college engineering
: >courses don't care if you can multiply and divide, but understanding
: >the theory--which is essential to be able to design new
: >devices--requires substantial math background.

: The theory of binary communications begins with knowledge of the most
: basic form of binary communication, that is CW.  So by your argument,
: it is important to have an understanding of CW.  5 WPM is about as
: basic of an understanding as you can get.

Sorry, but if that was true, then CW would be a basic building block
for all binary communications training and that is absolutely not
true today nor has it ever been true.  I spent 20+ years of my
telecommunications career working on digital (binary) communications
and morse code (CW) was never mentioned even once in any telephone
company training as well as outside training by companies like TRA,
Datatech, etc.

In reality, CW isn't even true digital since it actual has more than
two states.  It is not defined as simply off and on, but rather it is
off, on for a short pewriod (dot) and on for a longer period (dash).
Ignoring even that, there isn't anything one needs to know about any
specific coding scheme to understand or be an expert in digital
technology.  I don't know anything about ASCII except that it is
a 7 bit coded character set, nor do I care.  There are other codings
as well (EBSDIC, etc.).  Bottom line is that CW is not a building
block to greater understanding of any ofthe many other modes being
used.

Having said all that, let me again state that I do NOT want to eliminate
CW use by hams at all, rather I find the CW requirement in todays
technological arena totally out of proportion as to its value or
need.  Use it all you want, just don't force others to buy in to
the need simply because that's the way we've always done it.

--
Cheers, ---------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Sohl  K2UNK     (Budd lake, New Jersey)      ([e-mail])
ARRL Local Government Liason, Mount Olive Township
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[e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth) wrote:

ohyea...
for Id (does anyone actually know who "Id" is? we sure say our calls
for him a lot.... :)
_ . .   .     _ . _   . _   . _ _ _ _   . _ _ _   _ . _ _


-be




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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>[e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth) wrote:
>
>ohyea...
>for Id (does anyone actually know who "Id" is? we sure say our calls
>for him a lot.... :)

"Id" is "Uncle Charley", or more formally, the FCC. We do say our calls
a lot for him because he has a regulation that says we must, even when
we are talking to friends who all know our name and our station call
sign without being reminded of it every few minutes.

We could just say "from" in French as you coded below, as in "these
transmissions originate from station KE4ZV", but that sounds wordy
and unnecessarily formal when spoken in conversational English. Or
we could just throw in a naked "KE4ZV" in the middle of conversation
without explanation and let the other parties assume it was done for
Uncle Charley's benefit.

>_ . .   .     _ . _   . _   . _ _ _ _   . _ _ _   _ . _ _

That takes 2.4 seconds at 20 WPM (the fastest legal speed "for Id"
when used in the midst of another information coding), saying "KA1JY"
takes under a second, and even saying "KA1JY for ID" happens in under
2 seconds.  So either is more time efficient. I prefer the former to
the latter for that reason, since the "for ID" part can safely be
assumed by other parties to the conversation, even though it is abrupt
and non-conversational to do so without explanatory verbage. "for Id"
just smooths the conversational flow a bit following the interrupt,
and isn't absolutely necessary.

We could do what a lot of the commercials do and *use* Morse "for Id"
by inserting it automatically at 20 db down under speech and at a tone
frequency of 2600 Hz which is easily filtered out. That satisfies Uncle
Charley without interrupting the conversational flow.

Gary
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth) wrote:
>[e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth) wrote:
>
>for Id (does anyone actually know who "Id" is? we sure say our calls
>for him a lot.... :)

I. D. is the initials of the local FCC field rep.<G>

73,


73,
Steve KA4IQD
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From: [e-mail] (phil reed)
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In article <43i60k$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...

>
>Most of the people that object to the code are those that are too lazy
>to learn it.

And your documentation for this claim is?

>  I use to cirticize the code, but that was when I was also
>too lazy to learn it.  But I finally buckled down, worked hard at
>learning it, and I passed the test.  It's not the perfect mode, but it
>works the best when conditions are such that NOTHING else will work.

Not true. Clover and GTOR will get through with a signal you can't
even hear.

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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Brian Carling <[e-mail]> wrote:
>JWE>mu.edu>
>JWE>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
>JWE>Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
>
>JWE>They don't need to drop the code requirement -- just give everyone
>JWE>a choice of which ancient method to use including code, smoke
>JWE>signals, and drums.
>
>The above is obviously written by a VERY intelligent protozoa!

#1.  Please-please-please try to keep the policy discussions (such
as whether to require code or not) on rec.radio.amateur.policy?

#2.  I thought Brian Carling would never stoop to using name-calling.
Clean it up, Brian!!

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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:55 1995
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Duffy, WB8NUT ([e-mail]) writes:

JDB>Most of the people that object to the code are those that are too lazy
JDB>to learn it.  I use to cirticize the code, but that was when I was also
JDB>too lazy to learn it.  But I finally buckled down, worked hard at
JDB>learning it, and I passed the test.  It's not the perfect mode, but it
JDB>works the best when conditions are such that NOTHING else will work.

Duffy, it looks like at least 80% of hams agree with you and even the
vast majority of contributors to this newsgroup...

Did you see the article on Page 79 of the October issue of QST yet?
Sounds like a GREAT book that could wake up a lot of older and younger
hams to the real light of day on these matters.
If ham radio is to survive, it must be both ADAPTIVE and also hold on to
the things that MAKE it AMATEUR RADIO. Otherwise it can be replaced by
laptop PCs, modems, and cellular services that obviate the necessity for
amateur radio. I am not a stick in the mud, but I *DO* believe that
home-built equipment should be tried by every ham.
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:34:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Burke Redi)
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
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In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Scott Babb) writes:
}
}If I understand correctly, your argument here is that CW is necessary
}for emergency communications.  I submit that in an emergency, the
}faster you can move emergency messages, the better.
}
}CW testing requirements dictate copying speeds of 5, 13, and 20 WPM.
}I have copied in the 25-30 WPM range, and I know hams who copy 50 WPM+.
}On average, however, I would think that an avid CW operator would be
}in the 15-25 WPM range.  CW message relaying is a manual process, with
}errors introduced if characters are mis-copied.
}
}It took me 22.4 seconds to read the 75 words that I quoted above from
}your previous post aloud.  This comes to about 200 WPM for AM/SSB/FM.
}Voice message relaying is also a manual process, with errors introduced
}if words are misunderstood.  CW is probably more accurate than voice,
}since each word is spelled out, character-by-character, in CW.
}
}An HF AMTOR system runs at 300 baud.  Using 10 bits per character and
}5 characters and a space for each word, AMTOR transfers messages at
}300 WPM.  AMTOR message relaying is usually manual.  Errors during
}AMTOR transmission are detected and corrected.
This is incorrect, AMTOR is 100 Baud, which would be 100 BITS/SECOND.
However, the true throughput is much lower because of the extra bits required
to make up the 5/3 mark-space ratio used in the error dection scheme and the
fact only three charaters are sent before an acknowlegement is requested.
Any errors and all three charaters need to be sent again.
}
}An HF packet radio system also runs at 300 baud.  It provides the same
}300 WPM throughput as AMTOR, but message relaying is usually automatic.
Again, not true. On HF, the overhead is the main throughput
killer here. The frame headers are a major portion of each packet sent
because propagation requires small frame counts and small frames per
packet. And again, the data rate here is 300 BITS/SECOND maximum.
}
}A VHF packet radio system running at 1200 baud, and using the same
}data criteria as for AMTOR, transfers messages at 1200 WPM.  The
}relaying of messages from source to destination is automatic, and
}errors during transmission are detected and corrected.

Again, same basic flaw. The data rate though is 1200 BITS/SECOND. The throughput
is much higher because the path is usually much better allowing longer
frames and more frames per packet to be sent.
}
}This data would tend to point in the direction of using a packet radio
}system for emergency data communication.  When you consider the large
}influx of no-code licensees into the Amateur Radio Service, it becomes
}even more important *not* to rely on CW for emergency communications.
}You need to be able to transmit in a way that your intended recipient,
}and all of the relay points in between, can understand.  If a message
}originates from a CW station, it will usually be relayed via a SSB
}traffic net or a packet network.  This is simply because more hams
}can communicate more efficiently in those modes.
}
}A demonstrated proficiency in CW is required by the ITU for access to
}the MF and HF amateur bands.  This proficiency requirement would be met
}by a 5 WPM test for all classes of amateur license with MF/HF privs.
}
}Scott - wa1vht
}
I'm afraid Scott in each of these you made the basic mistake that the baud rate is
the same as the WPM rate. In the case of all of these, where the modulation is
a simple single layer protocol, the baud rate/symbol rate/bit rate are all equal.
The charater rate would be the bit rate divided by the number of bits/charater
and to get Charaters/minute, characters/second would be multiplied by 60.

In multi-level schemes, the bit rate and symbol rate are not equal making
the throughput higher for a given baud or symbol rate - but these also require more
S/N ratio to be maximally effective.

An extremely good book on this matter is:"Digital Communications, Fundementals
and Applications" by Bernard Skylar.

It isn't for the faint of heart, the math is heavy duty, but it explains all
these relationships.

Bruce, WB4YUC



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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
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In article <43pmqo$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (KF2TI) writes:
>read with must interest.  let us not forget that the ITU noy YE OLDE FARTZ
>dictates that code be required to have HF privies, not the boys in blue,
>not the good olds boys not the prez the salamander, oooppps, the newt and
>all the other goof balls.
>
>it's an international convention we are part of and quite frankly, they
>don't want US amateurs to have free reign on the frequencies  (maybe
>because we operate so nicely...RADIO POLICE, calling all RADIO POLICE)
>let's get on to other stuff

Who sets ITU policy? It's the member nations meeting in WARC sessions.
Who has been the principle obstacle to revising Article 32? It's been
the US delegation. Who sets policy for the US delegation? The Congress,
the President, the FCC. Who does the FCC say they let have their way
in amateur exam matters? The amateur community. Who is the amateur
community? You and me. Now to change ITU policy, we first have to
change the attitude of either you or me. Now the nice way, the civilized
way to change attitudes is not through venomous attacks on others.
It is not by calling them lazy, or sniveling whiners, because they
disagree with your dogma, though certainly some in the pro-code test
camp fit that description. The civilized way is through education.
It occurs by challenging and exploding myths and false dogma through
use of solid fact and theory. Is the horse dead, not yet, but he's
wheezing mightily and has been seen to stumble.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 22 13:35:00 1995
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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WEJ>The protozoans are the ones who can't recognize someone poking fun
WEJ>at sacred cows.

No, the protozoans are those who have never tried hamburgers!

That particular "sacred cow" CW is VERY yummy, but if you refuse
to eat and enjoy it, that is YOUR loss, Eric.

WEJ>I still use slide rules on occasion (more than calculators, much less
WEJ>than pencil and paper or computers).  But I don't try to claim that
WEJ>we should require all freshmen taking math courses to learn how to
WEJ>use slide rules and logarithm tables just because if all else fails,
WEJ>they can still use them to perform important calculations.

Do you know how many times that silly argument has been advanced here
as an excuse to get rid of CW testing? It still sounds truly pathetic.
What a lousy analogy!

WEJ>Yet, that is the situation we see amateur radio today.  So, don't
WEJ>be surprised if noone wants to bother with it.
WEJ>Eric Johnson

ROTFLVVL! There are more people "bothering with it" today than ever
before. And not because some sour-grapes saps couldn't be bothered to
learn the code!
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (HAMKB8UUM)
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 Hi my name is Geoff I am 14 years old callsign is KB8UUM I am a General
class ham here in Michigan. A few friends of mine Chris AE4KN and Cedrick
N9YXA along with a few others we are trying to get a kids net going on 40
meters CW and maybe one on SSB but not sure yet it will most likely be a
CW net on 40. Are there any kids out there or does anyone know of any kids
who might be interested in helping us get one up and running on the air I
would really appreciate it a lot. you can e mail me at the following
address: [e-mail]

                                       Thanks,
                                           Geoff KB8UUM


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:37 1995
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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: **** CALLING ALL KID HAMS *****
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 95 21:04:14 GMT
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In article <441ohc$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "HAMKB8UUM" writes:

>  Hi my name is Geoff I am 14 years old callsign is KB8UUM I am a General
> class ham here in Michigan.

I wonder why my call book doesn't agree?

  KB8UMM     ROBERT D WARD                              Class: Advanced
             330 MEADOW LN                           Birthday: Nov 22, 1960
             HASTINGS, MI  49058                   Expiration: Aug 15, 2004
     County: Barry                                   Licensed: Aug 15, 1994

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Victor Morange)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: **** CALLING ALL KID HAMS *****
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 23:04:08 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus) wrote:

They are hams. I think you are using an old callbook. Try
http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html  My name is Victor in
San Diego, CA. I'm 12yrs old and hold an advanced license. Please
e-mail me back at [e-mail]

73, Victor  KO6ZK
>In article <441ohc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

>  >  Hi my name is Geoff I am 14 years old callsign is KB8UUM I am a General
>  > class ham here in Michigan. A few friends of mine Chris AE4KN and Cedrick
>  > N9YXA along with a few others we are trying to get a kids net going on 40
>  > meters CW and maybe one on SSB but not sure yet it will most likely be a
>  > CW net on 40. Are there any kids out there or does anyone know of any kids
>  > who might be interested in helping us get one up and running on the air I
>  > would really appreciate it a lot. you can e mail me at the following
>  > address: [e-mail]
>  >
>  >                                        Thanks,
>  >                                            Geoff KB8UUM

>  That's odd. NONE of you are in the callbook server.
>  Wanna try it again?

>  callsign
>  + exec telnet callsign.cs.buffalo.edu 2000
>  Trying...
>  Connected to electra.cs.buffalo.edu.
>  Escape character is '^]'.
>  Callbook v1.3  Bug reports to [e-mail]  Type 'help' for help
>  >> call kb8uum
>  No references found
>  >> call kc8uum
>  No references found
>  >> call kd8uum
>  No references found
>  >> call ke8uum
>  No references found
>  >> call ae4kn
>  No references found
>  >> call n9yxa
>  No references found
>  >> exit
>  Connection closed by foreign host.

>;--
>;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
>;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
>;
>; Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM Internet: [e-mail]
>; US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749       Phone: [phone]




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:39 1995
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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: **** CALLING ALL KID HAMS *****
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 95 07:31:14 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Don Davis" writes:

> In article <[e-mail]> "Anthony R. Gold"
>  <[e-mail]> writes:

> >I wonder why my call book doesn't agree?

> Note KB8UUM , not KB8UMM.

Quite right.  Sorry Geoff and good luck with your KidsNet (tm)

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: **** CALLING ALL KID HAMS *****
Date: 24 Sep 95 00:41:38 -0800
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In article <[e-mail]>, "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]> writes:
> In article <441ohc$[e-mail]>
>            [e-mail] "HAMKB8UUM" writes:
>
>>  Hi my name is Geoff I am 14 years old callsign is KB8UUM I am a General
>> class ham here in Michigan.
>
> I wonder why my call book doesn't agree?
>
>   KB8UMM     ROBERT D WARD                              Class: Advanced
>              330 MEADOW LN                           Birthday: Nov 22, 1960
>              HASTINGS, MI  49058                   Expiration: Aug 15, 2004
>      County: Barry                                   Licensed: Aug 15, 1994
>

Because you spelled the callsign wrong, ya RUBE...

Give the poor kids a break.  Sheesh!

> Regards,
> --
>    Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
>                                                 [e-mail]
>                                         packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na

Ken
--

__________________________________________________________________________
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Earle)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: **** CALLING ALL KID HAMS *****
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>In article <441ohc$[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] "HAMKB8UUM" writes:
>
>>  Hi my name is Geoff I am 14 years old callsign is KB8UUM I am a General
>> class ham here in Michigan.
>
>I wonder why my call book doesn't agree?
>
>  KB8UMM     ROBERT D WARD                              Class: Advanced
   ^^^^^^

Because you looked up the wrong callsign? He *did* say KB8UUM ...

        Scott

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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:43 1995
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From: gaspo <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: **** CALLING ALL KID HAMS *****
Date: 25 Sep 1995 03:00:49 GMT
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Geoff,
   Please be patient with the folks giving you grief about your call.
That happened to me the other day on a local repeater, people who
have nothing better to do than play policeman and make us newcomers
feel really _un_welcome.
   Anyways, we have just started our radio club here in San Francisco,
and would love to net up with you guys.  Unfortunately, we are all
still Techs, but expect that to change RSN.

    Good luck with your Net!  Remember, youth has the advantage
of the energy!

--gaspo.

- Scott Gasparian      -   "gaspo"  KE6SRG    - Umwelt Schutzen, -
- Educator/Sysadmin    - Product R+D Director -   Rad Benutzen.  -
- Lick Wilmerding H.S. - gaspo's Gadgets Inc. -  /\ \--/ /\ \==/ -
- [e-mail]   SF(415) 333 4021 - /__\ \/ /==\ \/  -



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: **** CALLING ALL KID HAMS *****
Date: 25 Sep 1995 06:41:36 GMT
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Jeffrey D. Angus ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <441ohc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
:   >  Hi my name is Geoff I am 14 years old callsign is KB8UUM I am a General
:   > class ham here in Michigan. A few friends of mine Chris AE4KN and Cedrick
:   > N9YXA along with a few others we are trying to get a kids net going on 40
:   > meters CW and maybe one on SSB but not sure yet it will most likely be a
:   > CW net on 40. Are there any kids out there or does anyone know of any kids
:   > who might be interested in helping us get one up and running on the air I
:   > would really appreciate it a lot. you can e mail me at the following
:   > address: [e-mail]
:
:   That's odd. NONE of you are in the callbook server.
:   Wanna try it again?

Try the FCC next time.  You're using an outdated callbook server.


KB8UUM             STORCHAN, GEOFFREY B                     LIC ISU  8-AUG-1995
GENERAL            5188 KINGSFIELD DR                       LIC EXP  9-SEP-2004
DOB 28-NOV-1980    WEST BLOOMFIELD      MI  48322           LST UPD  8-AUG-1995

AE4KN              JOHNSON, CHRISTOPHER P                   LIC ISU 11-JUL-1995
EXTRA              2436 JACKSON PKWY                        LIC EXP 14-JUL-2004
DOB 31-MAR-1981    VIENNA               VA  22180           LST UPD 11-JUL-1995
                   (PREVIOUSLY KS4ZB, ADVANCED)

N9YXA              JOHNSON, CEDRICK W                       LIC ISU 28-APR-1995
TECH PLUS          502 MANOR PL                             LIC EXP 24-OCT-2004
DOB  3-MAR-1981    AURORA               IL  60506           LST UPD 28-APR-1995


: ; Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM Internet: [e-mail]
: ; US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749       Phone: [phone]

Ron N8FOW



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: **** CALLING ALL KID HAMS *****
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In article <441ohc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  >  Hi my name is Geoff I am 14 years old callsign is KB8UUM I am a General
  > class ham here in Michigan. A few friends of mine Chris AE4KN and Cedrick
  > N9YXA along with a few others we are trying to get a kids net going on 40
  > meters CW and maybe one on SSB but not sure yet it will most likely be a
  > CW net on 40. Are there any kids out there or does anyone know of any kids
  > who might be interested in helping us get one up and running on the air I
  > would really appreciate it a lot. you can e mail me at the following
  > address: [e-mail]
  >
  >                                        Thanks,
  >                                            Geoff KB8UUM

  That's odd. NONE of you are in the callbook server.
  Wanna try it again?

  callsign
  + exec telnet callsign.cs.buffalo.edu 2000
  Trying...
  Connected to electra.cs.buffalo.edu.
  Escape character is '^]'.
  Callbook v1.3  Bug reports to [e-mail]  Type 'help' for help
  >> call kb8uum
  No references found
  >> call kc8uum
  No references found
  >> call kd8uum
  No references found
  >> call ke8uum
  No references found
  >> call ae4kn
  No references found
  >> call n9yxa
  No references found
  >> exit
  Connection closed by foreign host.

;--
;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
;
; Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM Internet: [e-mail]
; US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749       Phone: [phone]


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: **** CALLING ALL KID HAMS *****
Distribution: world
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In article <442fia$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  > Ok can we please get off the subject with the calls you can see that weare
  > hams how many people have to prove that we are hams. Know is there anyone
  > still out there who is interested in starting a Kids HF net please e mail
  > or post here thanks again Geoff.

  I appologize. Apparently the callbook server at buffalo.edu is out
  of date. I thought it strange that ALL three of the callsigns you
  listed were not in it however.



;--
;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
;
; Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM Internet: [e-mail]
; US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749       Phone: [phone]


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ****New Ham Poll Question Now On-Line****
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 22:58:23 +0100
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We are asking Hams to vote on a FCC proposal that would allow Hams with
expired licenses to to regain their ticket without retaking the exam. Come
to the Ham Radio Web site at (http://www,csz.com/sarrio.html) and cast
your vote. All voting results are given in real time. 73's Ray

--
Ray Sarrio Co.
http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Hoaglun)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 190.400 reciever
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 03:12:44 GMT
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How hard would it be to build a 190.400 reciever ???? Where could I
get  the needed info to build this reciever ?



John Hoaglun
[e-mail]

  John Hoaglun
  [e-mail]

  To surf one of the  web pages  that I maintain point to:

  http://www.sundial.net/~wftvch9/



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 190.400 reciever
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 95 17:01:51 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>In article <442i4t$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John
Hoaglun) writes:
>>How hard would it be to build a 190.400 reciever ???? Where could I
>>get  the needed info to build this reciever ?
>
>Would that be Hz, kHz, MHz, or GHz? It makes a rather large difference
>whether you need a VLF, LF, VHF, or SHF design. I'm *guessing* you
>mean 190.400 kHz. A TRF design might do, but an upconverter in front
>of a HF receiver might be the most practical approach. Is this a weak
>signal receiver? And what sort of modulation does the signal you're
>trying to receive have? Answers to those questions can make a difference
>in the answer as well.


My guess would be 190.4 MHz.  Although this is in the TV band, there are a
few channels squeezed in there for the links from professional wireless
microphones to the PA system.  I'm not sure what FCC regulations they
operate under, but I have seen wireless microphones operating in the
170-200 MHz range.  The modulation is FM, probably wideband.  If that's the
case, modifying the front-end of a simple (dial-tuned) commercial FM
reciever might be the simplest way to build a receiver.  Assuming it only
needs to tune over a small range (if at all), replacing the oscillator and
RF coils may be all that's required, without needing to pay attention to
LO/RF tuning tracking.  Professional units usually use diversity (two
seperate antennas and receivers and logic to select the one with the best
signal) to reduce signal nulls.

-Mike KD4QDM


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 190.400 reciever
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 13:07:07 GMT
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In article <442i4t$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John Hoaglun) writes:
>How hard would it be to build a 190.400 reciever ???? Where could I
>get  the needed info to build this reciever ?

Would that be Hz, kHz, MHz, or GHz? It makes a rather large difference
whether you need a VLF, LF, VHF, or SHF design. I'm *guessing* you
mean 190.400 kHz. A TRF design might do, but an upconverter in front
of a HF receiver might be the most practical approach. Is this a weak
signal receiver? And what sort of modulation does the signal you're
trying to receive have? Answers to those questions can make a difference
in the answer as well.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey A. Harvey)
Subject: 49MHz talkie RS# 21-402
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Howdi,

        I got one (three actually) of those 5-channel 49MHz WTs
from Radio Shack (stock number 21-402).

        I had an idea to convert one to six meters.  Opened it
up....started in on the schematic... hmmmmm...

        There's only ONE crystal in the whole box!

        One crystal @ 10.24MHz is divided down to set the PLL
reference (5kHz, steps of 3 by logic), is also used as the 2nd
LO (10.695 MHz - 10.24 MHz = 455 kHz), one side of the PLL (xmit?)
is doubled before use, the R and T frequencies are looked-up by the
logic to account for the 1st LO offset and strange doubling, etc...

        In other words, you can't just swap the one and only xtal
in this unit because then all these ingenious frequencies will get
all askew.  Your T and R won't line up any more, the 2nd LO will be
off, the channel spacing will be wonky, etc...

        I'm not saying that it's impossible, but it's gonna be messy
to convert this particular 49MHz WT to six meters!

        Have fun!

-Jeffy
 VE1BLL


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 9-24--95 Ham Show Affiliates - hr&m.txt [01/01]
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 95 18:04:24 GMT
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NEW AS OF 9-23-95
Ham Radio & More Station List:
The following list can change often....

Arkansas:   KNWA, 1600am, Bellefonte
            KELD, 1400am, Eldorado
Arizona:    KFNN, 1510am, Phoenix
            KVRD, 1600am, Prescott
California: KNSN, 1290am, Chico
Connecticut:WATR, 1320am, Hartford
Florida:    WFFG, 1300am, Miami/Florida Keys
            WIPC, 1280am, Tampa/St. Pete
            WTYS, 1340am, Marianna, Dothan
Georgia:    WGIG, 1440am, Brunswick
Illinois:   WKTA, 1330am, Chicago
            WBGZ, 1570am, Alton
            WTIM, 1410am, Taylorville
            WKEI, 1450am, Kewanee
Indiana:    WPDJ, 1300am, Huntington/Ft. Wayne
IOWA:       WKEI, 1450am, Davenport
Kansas:     KKLE, 1550am, Wichita/Winfield
Kentucky:   WMTA, 1380am, Central City
Louisiana:  KGGM, 93.5fm, Monroe
            KEEL,  710am, Shreveport (50,000 watts)
Maine:      WJTO, 730am, Bath
Massach:    BOSTON CABLE CHANNEL 38B, BOSTON
            WNBH, 1340am, New Bedord/Providence
            WCAT, 700am, Orange
Michigan:   WMKT, 1270am, Traverse City/Cadillac
            WABJ, 1490am, Adrian
Missouri:   WBGZ, 1570am, St. Louis
            KNWA, 1600am, Springfield
            KSWM,  940am, Aurora
Mississippi:WSUH, 1420am, Oxford
            WJNT, 1180am, Jackson (50,000 watts)
Montana:    KDRG, 1400am, Butte/Deer Lodge
N. Carolina:WEEB, 990am,  Fayetteville
            WCRY, 1460am, Raleigh/Durham
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: : Drop Code? RA tried in the UK
Date: 23 Sep 1995 14:24:56 GMT
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Drew Durigan ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Looks like "YE OLDE FAHRTZ" are up in arms in the UK! <g>

: (Here in the states, they're too busy protesting the proposed Medicare
: cuts, so we've got a good chance at dumping the code requirements.)

: -Drew in Charotte-
:  KF4DDM

Drew, when are you going to say something on this topic that
demonstrates that you have given it any thought at all?  "Ye Olde
Fahrtz" wasn't funny (or accurate) when you first started using it,
and it's getting real old now.  I have nothing against new hams, but
it strikes me as amazing that someone licensed since 6 September 1995
can muster the arrogance to make such posts.

Learn from people like Gary.  He's thought about the "Code" topic for
some time and has formed his opinions based upon experience and reason.
And that's what he posts.  Others (most certainly) may not agree with
his conclusions, but respect his argument (well, sort of.)  Except for
the "brain damage" comments (and that was a joke, right?), he's never
had to resort to the type of drivel you've posted above.

Some of the people who support Morse *are* old and don't know anything
about computers.  But many are young technical wizards who know a darn
site more about computers (and Amateur Radio) than you do.
Characterizing all Morse folks as "olde fahrtz" (a group for whom you
obvioulsy have no respect) is just a convenient way for you to avoid
the effort required to form a well-reasoned opinion.

Greg



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Earle)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: : Drop Code? RA tried in the UK
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>Some of the people who support Morse *are* old and don't know anything
>about computers.  But many are young technical wizards who know a darn
>site more about computers (and Amateur Radio) than you do.
>Characterizing all Morse folks as "olde fahrtz" (a group for whom you
>obvioulsy have no respect) is just a convenient way for you to avoid
>the effort required to form a well-reasoned opinion.
>
>Greg
>

Although I believe that I fall into the latter category, being on the younger
side of 30 (for 3 more weeks, anyway :-( ) and having been a computer
hardware/software man for 8.5 years, I am also in favour of keeping the CW
requirement. However, I would not mind if it were abolished, as long as it is
replaced with something EQUALLY DIFFICULT.

I feel that simply giving an HF license to those who have passed (in the UK)
the Radio Amateurs Examination, or (in the US) passed exams 2 and 3(A) WOULD
BE A MISTAKE. Especially in the UK (or the rest of Region 1, for that matter)
where the 80m band is 3.500-3.800 and the 40m band is 7.000-7.100 - lets face
it, the HF bands are congested enough as it is!

However, I would qualify that by saying that perhaps no-code licensees could
have *partial* access to the HF bands, as an *incentive* to get a FULL
license.
I feel that simply GIVING a full license to some of the people I have heard on
2m repeaters would be a BIG MISTAKE, and there ought to be some sort of
obstacle which is *difficult* but not impossible to someone who is prepared to
sit down and EARN (i.e. WORK) the extra privileges. At the moment, the CW test
does this very well indeed. It took me 3 weeks hard work to get to the 12wpm
required for a UK Class A license (although I had been listening on the bands
and knew the basic alphabet before I started). I know it's been said before,
but if I can do it in three weeks, anyone can do it. It just takes
PERSEVERANCE.

Just my 2 pence worth (or is that 3 cents?)

        Scott

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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:57 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: : Drop Code? RA tried in the UK
Date: 25 Sep 1995 15:05:40 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Geert Jan de Groot) writes:
>The RadCom issue I received today (RadCom is by the RSGB, United Kingdom),
>included a leafled describing the RSGB protesting in public against
>the RA (equivalent of FCC) proposing to do away with morse code testing.
>
>The chair of the RSGB was violently against that and protested in no
>uncertain words. While I am not an UK ham, I am an RSGB member and
>the chair can expect a very explicit message from me, as I think
>that the RA did the right thing.

I am a UK ham  and an RSGB member, and the RSGB can expect a very
explicit message from me also.   I TOTALY agree with the UK RA decision
to support the New Zealand proposal to abolish the morse test at the
next ITU conference.



>Doing away with the morse test is not the same as abandoning morse.

CORRECT !!!!!!!!!!!!!


73.     G8HXE.
>
>


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:35:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: [WANT] Articles for paper *URGENT*
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 11:50:12
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In article <4419fo$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Scott Ehrlich) writes:

>I am planing to write an English paper for a class urging government to
>declare Amateur Radio frequencies the equivalent of national parks.  The
>idea of having amateur frequencies as protected space was presented at a
>recent radio club meeting I went to.  I want to take action on it.

Go to a library that has the old QST's on microfilm.  QST loves to publish
articles of this type.  Each year will have many.

To balance your paper, you must also state the opposing view, and make
arguments against that.  You will probably need to look for problems which
the Park Service has.

For example a current debate is the Alaska park where Oil Companies want
to develop.  They want to make money, provide jobs, and grow the economy.
They want to reduce Oil imports which are subsidized by taxpayers and paid
to foreign companies out of the treasury.  They want the U.S. to develop their
own resources but can't because others want to leave the parks void of humans
other than tourists.

Now apply that to Amateur Radio.  You have a park that allows human visitors.
Only these visitors must buy a license.  But the same argument applies, that is
the spectrum could bring jobs and income to many Americans;  The U.S.
subsidizes these frequency parks through the taxpayers.

Argue that subsidizing anything by taxes which everyone must pay (even if they
never go to the "Park") is a good, and jobs and economic growth are bad.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Ehrlich)
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I am planing to write an English paper for a class urging government to
declare Amateur Radio frequencies the equivalent of national parks.  The
idea of having amateur frequencies as protected space was presented at a
recent radio club meeting I went to.  I want to take action on it.

To aid in my quest, for the preliminary state, I am asking for any and
all articles and references to articles in magazines, newspapers,
journals, etc, which show how amateur radio was used to aid in some way,
be it an emergency situation (the recent hurricane to hit the US Virgin
Islands), the great earthquake of California during the World Series,
articles about people being stranded somewhere, and how ham radio was
used to save a life.  The more situations, big and small, the better.

If I can get copies of these articles, or at least references to the
publications, dates of publication, issue numbers, etc, they can all help
show real-life examples of amateur radio in action.

All references to publications would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks much.


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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:00 1995
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In article <4419fo$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Scott Ehrlich) wrote:
>
>I am planing to write an English paper for a class urging government
to
>declare Amateur Radio frequencies the equivalent of national parks.
The
>idea of having amateur frequencies as protected space was presented
at a
>recent radio club meeting I went to.  I want to take action on it.
>
>To aid in my quest, for the preliminary state, I am asking for any
and
>all articles and references to articles in magazines, newspapers,
>journals, etc, which show how amateur radio was used to aid in some
way,
>be it an emergency situation (the recent hurricane to hit the US
Virgin
>Islands), the great earthquake of California during the World Series,
>articles about people being stranded somewhere, and how ham radio was
>used to save a life.  The more situations, big and small, the better.


Almost any issue of QST will probably have articles like you mention.



73,
Steve KA4IQD
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Arguments for "Me Me ME" (was Drop Morse Testing)
Date: 22 Sep 1995 23:07:39 GMT
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[e-mail] (Steve Sampson) wrote:
>
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brian
Carling) writes:
>
>[snip 6 articles about nothing]


LOL!!!   Boy, ain't that the truth!

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
Date: 22 Sep 1995 16:11:57 -0700
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Very bizarre thread here.  The original poster has some trouble,
well documented, and it paints a picture of ARRL bureaucracy.  This
guy has had some real trouble, and wants a simple thing - someone
to read over his cards for an award.

OK, then come in the ARRL defenders.  These guys seem to have absolutely
no sympathy for the fellow, some even blame him for wanting something
to go smoothly.  They seem NOT to recognize that the ARRL does have
some of the trappings of bureacracy, that that this is not a good thing
for any of us, even if the ARRL is a good thing overall.

I must except Ed Hare of the ARRL for his reasoned approach to the topic.

Hey, I am a member, AND I don't like dealing with seemingly nonsensical
bureaucracy.  Bigger government is not better government and all that.
Why can't the ARRL trust one of its officials to do the job of certifying
the cards?  What the heck is that about?  He can't count or something?

Ever go to the City Hall and try to get a permit for your tower and ask
the "wrong" person and spend countless hours fixing the "error" which
should not be a problem except that "the rule is the rule!"  That always
bothers me.

SO, all you ARRL supporters, YOU TOO can work to improve the image and
working ability of the ARRL by sympathizing with silly problems and
lending a helping hand or at least lending a sympathetic ear and then
advising of your preferred solution.  It just seemed that a lot of energy
was spent trying to blame the guy for not doing it "your way".  There
needs to be room to move around in here.

Clark
WA3JPG,
Member of the ARRL after years of open hostility to the ARRL.  I joined
because of the amazing efforts of our Director out here - Fried Heyn.
Fried and I do not always agree, in fact, sometimes we have problems, but
the guy is there and lends an ear to my thoughts and feelings and he does
what he can about it when he can.  I support that.  He seems to do it for
ham radio in general.  I trust that.


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
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In article <43vfrt$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner) writes:
>Very bizarre thread here.  The original poster has some trouble,
>well documented, and it paints a picture of ARRL bureaucracy.  This
>guy has had some real trouble, and wants a simple thing - someone
>to read over his cards for an award.

Yep, and ARRL HQ gave him the names and addresses of the two available
to him in his state. He *refused* to use either of them. That's what
was unreasonable, and the reason he got flamed. If they'd refused to
tell him who the checkers were, then he'd have a beef. But that didn't
happen. Or if he'd tried the checkers and they'd screwed up his award,
then he'd have a complaint. But none of that happened. He went looking
for someone else, someone other than who he was *told* to use, to get
his cards checked. That was stupid. And unsurprisingly, he didn't get
his award. Suppose he held the winning lottery ticket, but *refused*
to show it to the state lottery officials like it says on the ticket
he has to do, and instead insisted on showing it to Joe state senator
who lives down the street and who couldn't tell a valid lottery ticket
from a boxtop. Would you be amazed if he didn't get the check from the
lottery board? Following the rules is part of the game.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
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In article <43vfrt$[e-mail]>,
        Clark Savage Turner <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Very bizarre thread here.  The original poster has some trouble,
>well documented, and it paints a picture of ARRL bureaucracy.  This
>guy has had some real trouble, and wants a simple thing - someone
>to read over his cards for an award.
>
>OK, then come in the ARRL defenders.  These guys seem to have absolutely
>no sympathy for the fellow, some even blame him for wanting something
>to go smoothly.  They seem NOT to recognize that the ARRL does have
>some of the trappings of bureacracy, that that this is not a good thing
>for any of us, even if the ARRL is a good thing overall.

Painting me an ARRL defender is like calling Mark Furman a life-long
supporter of the NAACP.

However, the fellow's problem, albeit a real pain in the ass, can
hardly be blamed on the ARRL. The positions "in the field" are
volunteer positions, and if nobody volunteers -- why is that the
fault of Newington?

MD
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:06 1995
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From: Zack Lau <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
Date: 23 Sep 1995 16:44:39 GMT
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[e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner) wrote:
>
>Hey, I am a member, AND I don't like dealing with seemingly nonsensical
>bureaucracy.  Bigger government is not better government and all that.
>Why can't the ARRL trust one of its officials to do the job of certifying
>the cards?  What the heck is that about?  He can't count or something?

I believe the rational behind this policy is to have
knowlegeable people checking the cards who might be
better able to spot cheating.  For instance, I know
that WA2LTM works 432, 1296, 2304 MHz. A card
for 903 MHz needs further investigation...

In New England, Emil, W3EP is usually available at the NEWS
meetings held 4 times a year in Vernon, CT, just off I84.
While we have even had Bill Burden, the Division Director,
in attendence, I doubt that Bill could do a better job of
checking cards for VUCC awards. The next meeting is November
9th, 1995.

Zack KH6CP/1 [e-mail]





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From: [e-mail] (Todd Little)
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Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
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In article <[e-mail]>
Dave McCombs <Dave McCombs@DXING> wrote:

> You know,   If you'ed quit moaning and do what it takes to
> receive the certificate you desire,  this would all be over,
> and you'ed be a happy ham.  The accomplishment you have
> acheived by working the number of grids you have is great.
> Don't cheapen it by trying to find an easy way to receive
> acknowledgement of it.

Although I agree with the above sentiment, i.e., be part of the
solution instead of the problem, but there is also an issue
of improperly set expectations.  Speaking from experience, the
impression I had of VUCC and DXCC was that working the
grids or countries was the difficult part.  In fact, what I'm
finding (as many others have now told me) that the paper
work involved is much more challenging.  Just getting the
confirmations can be a pretty difficult task.  The actual checking
is pretty simple by comparison, but the expectation is that the
awards measure your ability to communicate with distant
locations, when in fact it measures your ability to receive
QSL cards.

If the various awards group would do a better job educating and
setting expectations, then some of these kinds of complaints
would decrease.  Also if better QSLing practices were encouraged,
the whole process would be much easier and more accurately
measure what most naive chasers expect them to measure.

A question for the original poster.  Why is having trouble getting
your cards checked a reason to *not* be an ARRL member?
I could see not being a member if you don't ascribe to the ARRL's
philosophy or if you really believe it is an ill run organization not
worthy of your contribution in dues. But to blast a bunch of volunteers
and suggest not being a member accomplishes what?

73,
Todd
N9MWB



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:09 1995
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Subject: Re: ARRL - One good reason not to be a member!
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In article <4416oe$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) writes:

>However, the fellow's problem, albeit a real pain in the ass, can
>hardly be blamed on the ARRL. The positions "in the field" are
>volunteer positions, and if nobody volunteers -- why is that the
>fault of Newington?

It's just a scrap of paper!  If anyone writes the ARRL for an award,
after getting a local runaround, they ought to check his cards and give him
the lousy thing.  Sheesh.

Instead they make a big deal out of it by telling him they can't help, and he
must find someone else to count his cards.  It's not like it'san Academy Award
or anything.  It's a lousy scrap of paper!

Here's my suggestion:

Have your 3 year old kid write "I love Daddy" and stick that on your
wall.  Then forget about the ARRL paper.

Paper hangers are the lowest form of life on earth.  They usually don't
have anything in mind but themselves.  You see them on the net with
signature lines over 1 line, and all sorts of attachments.  The ultimate
paper hanger is a Mensa member.  As an example, what have you heard
about Mensa members in your town?  What need in society do the fill?
The answer is none, none.  Their in it for the paper.

"Paper Hangers will be shot on sight" Gen Patton

--
Steve



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From: Hans Brakob <[e-mail]>
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Let me get this straight.....

1) No one in your city has volunteered
to be an ARRL card checker.

2) The ARRL is to blame.

3) Therefor we should not join ARRL.

I see.

--
73, de Hans, K0HB
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:10 1995
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

> If you look, the parallels between the League and the old
> Soviet Communist Party are rather striking.

> Comrades who strayed from the Party line were
> sent to Siberia. ARRL employees who annoyed Comrade Dave....
> (What is Luck doing these days anyway?)

Filling the cornerstone in a Connecticut office building?  B-)=

Seriously, though, good post.  I think there was a competing organization at
one time, that I heard of when it started up several years ago.  It would not
suprise me at all to learn that the ARRL managed to stomp it flat.  Such
actions suit their corporate character.

---
Frank Ney  EMT-A  N4ZHG  LPWV NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO LEAA 'M-O-U-S-E'
BATF Abuse Page-  http://www.access.digex.net/~croaker/batfabus.html
When the only tool you have is a gun, a lot of problems look like the BATF.



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[e-mail] wrote:
: Abanil. Abram Y. C. <[e-mail]> writes:
:                                      ^^-----------
: >from this part of the world. I can't pay,       |
:                                                  |
: Where is "this part of the world"?               |
                                                   |
The Philippines... ---------------------------------

My newsreader also mention "...Manila..." in his full-name.

-Jeffy


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
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Subject: Re: cw requirements
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Jerry B Altzman ([e-mail]) wrote:

: If the FCC really wanted to test for technical competence, there'd be a
: practical exam: design a circuit, build something, don't burn yourself with
: the soldering iron, etc.

   Uh oh.  Does that means that I have to hide the scars on my fingers
that I got from soldering my last transciever together?

:-)

- Rich


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Rich Mulvey, N2VDS                                        Rochester, NY   USA
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gearloos)
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Hi and thanks for reading this.
Name here is Kevin.
The problem I'm having is I have a Kan-3 Kagold ver.9.06 Yeasu 736R on a
Comet cx-333 Tri Band Ant. When I am running packet I get no Data sent
out...Just a dead carrier! I've tried adjusting mike gain etc... It used
to work great and now nothing. I've also used the same ant-TNC Computer
and software with my HT and it works fine. Any suggestions appr. since I'm
about at wits end on this one.


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
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Subject: Re: Do 2m HTs TX beyond 144-148 Mhz?
Date: 25 Sep 1995 15:58:21 GMT
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>Many HT's can be modified to transmit beyond their "normal" range. However
>modifiying amateur equipment to do this is generally illegal.

Geoff,

Seems you have not understood the basic concept of amateur radio.
Amateur radio is by definition experimental, with the effect that
you are entitled to built and operate transmitting equipement.

(In some countries having built a TRX is a requirement)

As a result, the transmitting range of amateur radios is not
subject to regulations (In fact *all* commercial HF TRX are capable
of out of band transmissions)

The point is that responsibility not to actually transmit out
of band rests totally with the licensee.

73, Moritz DL5UH



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:15 1995
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From: Thomas Martin <[e-mail]>
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Date: 23 Sep 1995 11:38:08 GMT
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I got mine back from repair yesterday and they fixed it for me.
I have never had the trouble have described either. Mine always
took the command on the first try. It just didn't know what
memory channel it was on. The freq. was always right though.

Their service has been exceptional to me. I sent my radio out
on monday and got it back on friday. That's pretty darn quick.

It is disappointing to pay 600 for a rig and have it quit the
first week though. You have to admit.

Thanks for the reply.

73's
Thomas Martin N5ZNO
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:17 1995
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I got mine back from repair yesterday and they fixed it for me.
I have never had the trouble have described either. Mine always
took the command on the first try. It just didn't know what
memory channel it was on. The freq. was always right though.

Their service has been exceptional to me. I sent my radio out
on monday and got it back on friday. That's pretty darn quick.

It is disappointing to pay 600 for a rig and have it quit the
first week though. You have to admit.

Thanks for the reply.

73's
Thomas Martin N5ZNO
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:19 1995
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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DA> OK, really simple question:  Is CW necessary to communicate on HF?  I
DA>don't mean legally or anything like that, just technically.  Clearly,
DA>the answer is no.  People can communicate quite well without using CW,
DA>whether they're using SSB, packet, AMTOR, or whatever.

Balderdash! You don't know what you are talking about.
CW gets through when nothing else can. Now IF everyone had the fancy
gizmos that let you detect those inaudible TTY signals. As to SSB
it is no contest. CW is superior in seveal ways as has been demonstrated
iin this group the past few weeks, so there is no need to constantly
regurgitate these same messages ad nauseum. Do you think that by
repeating the claims OVER and OVER and OVER that eventually someone
will bite?
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 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ We will not trade with businesses that do not post prices


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:20 1995
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 08:49:00 -0500
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Shawn I see you are still repeating the same assinine and rude comments
to people like you have been for the past few weeks.

Why don't you get a life? Or maybe at least keep the stupid snivelling
pre-neanderthal comments to yourself?

If YOU are going to set yourself up as the Pope of amateur radio
and start telling everyone else what to do and what to think,
I don't think you are going to last long in that capacity, you
pea-brain!

SCM> Why learn to learn?  You have taken a statement about OOK vs analog
SCM>voice and strecthed it into the modern digital era.  In so doing you have
SCM>made a false claim.  If you will look at the math, OOK with morse encoding,
SCM>is tied for last place in the digital world.
SCM> So why learn new things and change the world?  We have things that
SCM>worked fine for me, and you should limp along the same way.  If this is you
SCM>attitude then maybe you need some correction.

SCM> 73,
SCM>  Shawn
SCM>  KE4GHS
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 23 Sep 1995 18:49:38 GMT
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Hans Brakob <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Drew Durrigan said:
>
>>The next few years are going to see some
>>hotly-contested battles between the
>>"new generation" of technologically-proficient
>>operators who want to move amateur radio into
>>the 21st century with digital communciations
>>and "YE OLDE FAHRTZ" who will be kicking and
>>screaming all the way....
>
>Excuse me Drew, but (assuming you have a Tech
>license) what is stopping you from moving
>amateur radio into the 21st century? Quit
>bitching about "YE OLDE FAHRTZ" and "Just Do
>It!".

Your assumption is incorrect.  Check your callsign server; you will see
that I have a Tech-PLUS license.  Again, I passed my 5WPM.  I know the
code.  But I do not believe that the knowledge of Morse should be a
required testing element for obtaining an amateur license with HF
privileges in 1995.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
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>DA> OK, really simple question:  Is CW necessary to communicate on HF?
I
>DA>don't mean legally or anything like that, just technically.  Clearly,

>DA>the answer is no.  People can communicate quite well without using CW,

>DA>whether they're using SSB, packet, AMTOR, or whatever.
>
>Balderdash! You don't know what you are talking about.
>CW gets through when nothing else can.

Brian, that's not what he asked!  He asked "is CW NECCESSARY to
communicate on HF?"  The answer is simple...NO, it is NOT!!!!

-Drew in Charlotte-
 MemRep Radio BB




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:23 1995
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It's bad enough that 80% of the posts in ".policy" are about this stupid
argument...  Can you guys just keep this nonsense on one group?.  Niether
side is going to change anything when all of you just keep saying the
same things over and over and over....and over.....and over.

It's getting just about as old as code itself!

Maybe we can get a new group started for you.  How 'bout
rec.radio.amatuer.code.neverending.pointless.argument.wasteofdiskspace?

--
Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:25 1995
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Scott Babb ([e-mail]) wrote:

: If I understand correctly, your argument here is that CW is necessary
: for emergency communications.  I submit that in an emergency, the
: faster you can move emergency messages, the better.

  (Valid speed and accuracy comparisons deleted)

: An HF AMTOR system runs at 300 baud. (Etc.)


: An HF packet radio system also runs at 300 baud.  (Etc.)

: A VHF packet radio system running at 1200 baud, (Etc.)

: This data would tend to point in the direction of using a packet radio
: system for emergency data communication.  When you consider the large
: influx of no-code licensees into the Amateur Radio Service, it becomes
: even more important *not* to rely on CW for emergency communications.
: You need to be able to transmit in a way that your intended recipient,
: and all of the relay points in between, can understand.  If a message
: originates from a CW station, it will usually be relayed via a SSB
: traffic net or a packet network.  This is simply because more hams
: can communicate more efficiently in those modes.

Good points, and accurately stated, as far as it goes...but a few
additional observations:

I've polled several of our local hams.  It seems that the percentage
of them who operate packet (or other digital modes) is quite low.
Among those who operate digital modes, the majority do not operate HF
digital.  Among the Technician licensees, the vast majority operate
only 2 Meter FM, mostly repeaters, not digital modes.  Among  those
who have an interest in packet, most say they can't afford the
equipment right now.

: A demonstrated proficiency in CW is required by the ITU for access to
: the MF and HF amateur bands.  This proficiency requirement would be met
: by a 5 WPM test for all classes of amateur license with MF/HF privs.

"Proficiency" does not exist below the "wall" of 8-10 wpm.
Translating dits and dahs does not equate to proficiency anymore than
spelling words letter-by-letter equates to proficiency in voice modes.

We are talking about HF access here, and it is a fact that hams in
many other countries in the world rely on Morse far more than US hams
do, and generally have much less access to modern digital equipment
than we do.

For local emergency work, VHF FM is the mode of choice.
And it may be accurate to state that, in most cases, a well organized
emergency communications net using digital coms would be much more
efficient and useful than the same using Morse.  As you stated above:
"You need to be able to transmit in a way that your intended
recipient, and all the relay points in between, can understand."
Any "hardcopy" mode would be better in this regard than a voice mode,
and if HF packet was in more widespread use worldwide than Morse, it
would certainly be superior.  But right, now it isn't.  Morse is still
an important fall-back emergency communications mode.  It may not be
for ever, but it is right now.


Greg





From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Little)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 25 Sep 1995 02:55:43 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Penn McClatchey) wrote:

> In article <43tebf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Curt Phillips) writes:
>>
>>   Before we even THINK about eliminating the code requirement, we
>> should end the practice of releasing all of the questions that are
>> going to be on the test.  THERE ARE NO technical tests of any
>> significant difficulty under the current testing procedures.
>
> This is an excellent point!!!!  I am sick and tired of
> the no code/code debate.  As previously posted: "Stick a fork in it",
> its done.
>
> However, because there are those in this group who are predisposed
> to endless, lively debate, can we please (pretty please?!?)
> change the subject?  The technical tests are too easy.  Let's
> talk about how to make them harder.

This has been debated too.  But in any case, I'll ask why?

> I assume that we want three things:
>       1. A legitimate purpose, e.g. A reservoir of trained
>               communication specialists.  And to accomplish
>               any legitimate purpose effectively we need to:
>       2. Limit crowding on the bands.

Point 2 does *not* following from point 1 above.  In fact, it is debatable
that any such provision in the licensing requirements could be made as
spectrum  is a public resource we are rationing, not your private playground.

>       3. Finally, I assume the code requirement will end one day.

Hopefully sooner than later.

>               Perhaps we can let the coders keep access to the
>               bottom 100 Khz of the bands (compromise position?).

Why wouldn't coders have access to all the bands they currently have?
In only a few cases have licensing overhauls taken privileges away from
existing licensees.  I hope we won't repeat the Incentive Licensing debacle.
If you mean exclusive access, then you haven't dropped the code
requirement and we're still clinging to the past.

> Is there anyone that doesn't agree with the first two general goals?

I absolutely agree with the first one as it is a primary piece of Part 97
and is a useful distinguishing feature of the amateur radio service.
As I said before, I don't agree with the second one as I don't believe
it is an appropriate licensing goal.  A goal such as that could be
interpreted as requiring a PhD in EE to get a license.  After all, 60 years
ago, they thought 20,000 amateurs was over crowding!  Japan in a much
smaller area has 3 times the number of amateurs we do.  Over crowding
is only a problem is we refuse to innovate.

> To accomplish these things, we MUST make the tests harder before
> we drop the code requirement.

It's unclear to me that the two are related.  Your supposition only holds
true if you believe your point 2 above is a primary function of the licensing
requirements.  Yet I find *nothing* in part 97 that says licensing is to
prevent over crowding.

How would you change the difficulty of the tests?  Some say that published
answers make the tests easy.  I might agree with that if there was sufficient
evidence from other areas where tests are published and yet still seem to
hold some validity.  In any case, that problem is relatively easy to solve by
creating parameterized test questions and using a program to generate
the specific tests.  This would pass the Freedom of Information Act
requirements and still prevent strict rote memorization of question to letter
answers.  (although I personally believe that anyone who can memorize
the hundreds of questions and answers has made quite an accomplishment.)

Another way to change the difficulty of the tests is to increase the depth
of knowledge required to answer a question.  This is to a large extent
already under our control.  Have you submitted questions to be included
in the question pools?  What level of technical material should be required
for each license class?  As a sponsor of a radio club at an elementary school,
I can tell you that average 4th, 5th, and 6th graders do not have an easy
time with the novice and technician material.  Sure there are gifted 7 year olds
that have made extra, but that is a terribly small minority.

Are you going to update the question pools to be more in line with current
technology?  I don't recall seeing questions on circuits using today's
building blocks.  As you try and introduce new technology, what old
stuff are you going to drop out?  Or are you going to keep it all and gradually
require a BSEE to get a license?  I'm not trying to be  facetious, just trying
to get a sense of where you're headed with this.

73,
Todd
N9MWB



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth)
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>We could do what a lot of the commercials do and *use* Morse "for Id"
>by inserting it automatically at 20 db down under speech and at a tone
>frequency of 2600 Hz which is easily filtered out. That satisfies Uncle
>Charley without interrupting the conversational flow.
>
Gee Gary, i guess then the 'must keep the code in the test' guys actually
would have some justification beyond tradition. :)

-be

FYI. I actually enjoy CW. Kinda fun.



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Randolph)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes...
>i said this once before and i'll say it again:  if you pro-code guys out
>there are worried that removal of the code _barrier_ is going to show an
>influx of young kids and ex-cb'ers onto the hf bands, you're forgetting
>something important.  the average cost of an hf rig is prohibitively
>expensive, around $1500 and up, with few exceptions.  many hams can't
>afford to even use hf, even if they could pass the code requirement.
>and the hams i know won't settle for small single-band kit rigs.

Uh, guess again.

There's quite a few HF radios and kits available for anywhere from about $50
right up to the $500 range. Most go for about $150. One of these, a gel cell
battery, some coax and a wire antenna, and you're on the air.

Funny thing about most of them, though. They use this antiquated mode that only
"YE OLDE FAHRTZ" use, once known as "CW". No modern, technologically
proficient ham would dream of using such a backward mode, a relic of the days
of spark.

I, too, have said this before: ham radio doesn't have to be a rich appliance
operator's hobby. There is room for simple equipment. We don't HAVE TO push
the state of the art every time we probe the ionosphere, nor do we have to
blast the ionosphere into space with the sheer power of our emissions. What you
don't spend in cash, you do have to invest in time to learn the code, though.

Now, before I get a couple more of those "code testing inhales" mail messages,
let me say that I'm in favor of testing only to comply with the treaty, and to
familarize new hams with this alternative to the $2000 HF station. 5 WPM
satisfies the former, and if the treaty changes, something like merging the
ten 5 WPM code test questions with the rest of the pool satifies the latter,
such that failing the code test won't necessarily flunk you.

BTW, I am of the opinion that it's only a matter of time until the treaty
changes. The days of NEEDING to know Morse are passing now that the military
and commercial users are turning to newer technology. Nothing wrong with that,
and nothing wrong with having some good, cheap, old-fashioned fun using simple
CW radios!

-Tom R.   N1OOQ   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn C. Masters)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 25 Sep 1995 15:00:17 GMT
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Brian Carling ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Balderdash! You don't know what you are talking about.
: CW gets through when nothing else can. Now IF everyone had the fancy
: gizmos that let you detect those inaudible TTY signals. As to SSB

        You make this claim all the time, but never support it.  OOK is
exactly equivalent to Non-coherent BFSK when comparing error rates vs S/N.
If I have a nc BFSK signal at the same signalling rate as OOK, they will
preform the same way in the presence of noise.  By adding some simple coding
the nc BFSK can surpass OOK, which relies on the poor coding of morse.
        Even going to coherent detection is not hard.  In fact most CW
rigs have the same hardware inside.  OOK can't hold a candle to coherent FSK
not even CCW.

        73,
                Shawn
                KE4GHS


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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[e-mail] (gregory brown) wrote:
>
>Drew Durigan ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>: Brian, that's not what he asked!  He asked "is CW NECCESSARY to
>: communicate on HF?"  The answer is simple...NO, it is NOT!!!!
>
>: -Drew in Charlotte-
>:  MemRep Radio BB
>
>The only thing "necessary" to communicate on HF is an HF radio, Drew.
>What is your point??
>
>Greg

Absolutely correct!  The guy asked "is CW necessary to communicate on HF?
"  I answered "NO< IT IS NOT!!!"

No code needed; just an HF radio.  I do quite well on 10-meters without
any type of Morse capability.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM




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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Date: 23 Sep 1995 21:36:40 GMT
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[e-mail] (Brian Carling) wrote:
>
>Hans Brakob writes:
>
>HB>There's something to be said for pride in mastering a distinctive
>HB>skill as elevating the esprit de corps of the Amateur Service, and
>HB>making the entrance process more than just another multiple choice
>HB>speed bump on the way to a useful but mundane privilege.
>
>Right on Hans, but the ilk of Drew Durigan just DON'T get it!
>
>Re: Love CW or hate CW
>
>Let's take this garbage to E-mail. Everyone is TIRED of seeing the same
>arguments repeated over and over and over again! It's getting VERY
>stale now!

Brian, you're talking in circles here.  Why do you ask us to "take this
garbage to E-mail" but then, in the same post, add your comments to the
thread (mentioning me personally), presumably in an attempt to keep the
thread going?

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lyndon Nerenberg)
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Subject: Re: Easter Island Post
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[e-mail] (Victor Morange) writes:
>[e-mail] (Doug Arntson) wrote:

>>Does anyone have a copy of the Easter Island QSL info that was recently
>>posted ?

>http://ve7tcp.ampr.org/DX/Easter

http://ve7tcp.ampr.org/DX/easter/
                          ^     ^

--lyndon


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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:35 1995
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From: Ed Ellers <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: FCC OKs non-ham use of 80 meter band
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"Gary P. Fiber" <[e-mail]> writes:

>Actually you can get an experminters license for about any frequency.

Yep -- assuming that the frequency is appropriate to the application, and
won't conflict with other users.

If you think about it, if some company was designing a new transmitter for
80 meters, exactly how are they expected to test it?  They can't air test the
prototypes under ham calls (since that would be business use of the Amateur
Radio Service), and it would be a bit unreasonable to expect them to do the
tests on frequencies that the rig is not designed to cover.


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Donald Swartz)
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Subject: Re: GMRS equipment manufactures
Date: 23 Sep 1995 14:46:55 GMT
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X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 23  7:46:55 AM PDT 1995

I know this is not directly an amateur radio issue but maybe someone
can help.  I'm looking for manufactures of General Mobile Radio Service
equipment.  I know Radio Shack sells an HT ( I have two of them ).
What I'm looking for are other manufactures that offer a wider array of
items.  Does anyone produce a catalog?  Any info on manufactures or
outlets and how to contact them would be appreciated.

Thanks people,

--
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In The Land of The Blind, The One Eyed Man Is King.

Don in North Arlington, New Jersey
Home of the First Steam Engine in the New World!!!


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:36 1995
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From: Paul Keezer <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Ham View Products Demos on WWW
Date: 24 Sep 1995 14:59:34 GMT
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Ham View Products has a WWW page with latest releases and
demonstration downloads.  You can get there through
http://www.tiac.net/users/pkeezer/hamview.htm  This page will
be updated regularly with new Amateur material.  The latest
downloadable stuff includes:
Version 5 release for Win95
Demo Version 5 Log View
Cluster help file.
gd dx
- Paul NX1P



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joel B Levin)
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In <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] <[e-mail]> wrote:

|
|The following messages were sent to me by a ham that is afraid to be
|identified ...

Congratulations on finding another mindless bozo who buys into your
favorite stereotype about hams(*) withouth showing any evidence of
having thought about it or even running into such hams.  And afraid
to post under his own name, to boot.  Well, if he is the typical new
ham, you're right, the hobby is on its way out.

        /JBL  KD1ON

(*) Funny, the closest to this stereotype I see on this newsgroup
goes by the name of Burt Fisher.




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:38 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: He is trying to CHEAT: SAMS Photofact #273
Date: 24 Sep 1995 11:52:39 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Harmon) wrote:
>Anyone out there have access to a SAMS #274, tab 7?  This is one that
>covers my Hallicrafters TW-2000 receiver.  I will be glad to pay copy
>and mailing costs.  Best 73, GaryHarmon/K5JWK
>


Copy and mailing costs?
You are so generous.
Contact SAMS and pay a fair price.
SAMS are copyrighted.

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| to make the contact with East Molohavnia.                            |
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:39 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help w/faster code on the air?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 22 Sep 95 12:51:50 -0500
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 Hi everyone,   I have my General Class ticket now, and I am an avid code man.
  My problem is that when It comes time for me to go on the air (usually 40 CW
at night), I hang at about 9 or 10 wpm. I would really love to get up to 15+,
but I don't want to have to do it listinging to some tapes.  I do have a Paddle
and keyer, so the sending speed is no problem..

  Do you have any ideas on how I could speed myself up on the air?

   Thanks es best 73's  N0ZYA



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help w/faster code on the air?
Date: 23 Sep 1995 02:32:39 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
:  Hi everyone,   I have my General Class ticket now, and I am an avid code man.
:   My problem is that when It comes time for me to go on the air (usually 40 CW
: at night), I hang at about 9 or 10 wpm. I would really love to get up to 15+,
: but I don't want to have to do it listinging to some tapes.  I do have a Paddle
: and keyer, so the sending speed is no problem..

:   Do you have any ideas on how I could speed myself up on the air?

:    Thanks es best 73's  N0ZYA

9-10 WPM is a pretty typical wall people run into.  Generally it is
the upper limit that anyone can copy by consciously "translating" Morse
into letters.

You reach the next level of Morse proficiency when you eliminate this
conscious translation.  To your mind, the sound *is* the letter.  It
is a bit like touch-typing...you don't think about where the letter is
on the keyboard, your finger just reflexively goes there.

There may be some tricks, for instance using the "Farnsworth" method
of listening to "fast" letters sent with long inter-letter spaces, but
the best way (IMO) is to operate...alot.  Repetition is the best
method.

Also (in my opinion) Morse is fairly tedious work below the 9-10 WPM
threshold and doesn't really become fun until you can eliminate the
translation step...it's a completely different experience.

Eventually you'll actually begin copying (hearing) common letter
combinations and words.  That's the ultimate.  But it takes time.

Greg



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RickieV)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HELP, Packet BBS
Date: 24 Sep 1995 22:04:06 -0400
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Hi, I am writing this for a Friend, he is looking for packet bbs in the
New York City area.  He's using a baycom bp-1 and ht-202 radio.

Please get back to me via email.

Thanks.

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ignacy Misztal)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help: Polish SP-DX Contest 1996 - When ?
Date: 25 Sep 1995 18:59:27 GMT
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In <44672k$[e-mail]>, Jonathan Mitchener <[e-mail]> writes:
>Please can someone (especially from Poland!) tell me the date of the
>Polish SP-DX Contest for 1996.  I guess it is sometime around the start
>of April but I need to know precisely.

SP DX contest is held the first weekend of April, starting at 15Z.
>
>Also I believe that the modes allowed in this event alternate each year
>so could someone confirm that 1996's will be SSB only please?

The last contest was CW so the next one should be SSB.

Ignacy Misztal              Ham radio: NO9E, SP8FWB
E-mail: [e-mail]
University Of Illinois      1207 W. Gregory Dr., Urbana, IL 61801, USA
tel. [phone]         Fax: [phone]



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Braun)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How do DX packetclusters work ?
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In Article <43sukj$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (BUDDY10) writes:

> How do DX packetclusters work ?   How do you get hooked up to one ?  Are
> there any in the Los Angeles area ?  Thanks to anyone willing to help.
>
> Scott Powell
> KD6GPV
> General since 1995 !
>
Scott - DX clusters are specialized packet radio bulletin boards that
exist for the purpose of distributing DX "spots" (reports of stations
heard) and other related information.  To get connected to one you need a
packet station (VHF radio, TNC and computer or terminal); just connect to
the call sign of the local cluster and it will feed you spots as long as
you stay connected.  There are also various search functions to get old
information; the sysop of the node (as well as the built-in help system)
will be able to give more information.  Following is a list of such
systems in Southern California, as obtained from a file put together by
K6PBT and distributed via the PC-GO BBS.

Southern California DX PacketCluster System:
--------------------------------------------
Bermuda Dunes     W6EEN     145.690  (Palm Springs)
Chino             N7QQ      145.660 & 144.490 (Inland Empire West)
El Segundo        K6EXO     144.490 & 145.690  (South Bay, Central LA,
                                                San Gabriel Valley)
Fullerton         K6QEH     145.680
Hemet             KM6LM     144.950  (Hemet/San Jacinto Valley)
Oxnard/Ventura    N6VR      144.915
Palmdale          K6GXO     145.660  (Antelope Valley)
Ramona            KD6HRO    145.050  (Limited Cluster)
Redondo Beach     AA6SF     145.690 & 144.950
San Diego         K6JYO     144.950  (San Marcos)
San Diego         KM6K      144.950  (Kearney Mesa)
San Diego         KA5Q      145.690  (Fallbrook)
San Diego         N6ND      144.360  (Pt. Loma)
Santa Ana         N6HVZ     145.605  (Serving West Orange County)
Santa Maria       N6MB      144.950

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
*  Alan Braun MD, NS0B/V31EV  *   Internet: [e-mail]      *
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:45 1995
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Subject: How do I keep my dog sane.
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TO>Hello, my neighbor is an amateur radio operator.  The problem isn't that
TO>TSI or TVI or whatever.  The problem is each time he transmits on 2
TO>yards, my dog, Miss Tastycakes mounts the magazine rack.  Is there some
TO>type of filter he can insatll to stop this behavior.  Ham Radio Outlet,
TO>the ArrF and my vet have no idea how to stop this.  And for you wiseguys
TO>out there, I WILL NOT MOVE.  My family has lived in this house for 4
TO>generations.  The problem is you men.  Please help me.  I can't clean up
TO>forever.  Thank You.
TO>

TO>--



BUAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH!!!!!!


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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>TO>Hello, my neighbor is an amateur radio operator.  The problem isn't that
>TO>TSI or TVI or whatever.  The problem is each time he transmits on 2
>TO>yards, my dog, Miss Tastycakes mounts the magazine rack.  Is there some
>TO>type of filter he can insatll to stop this behavior.  Ham Radio Outlet,
>TO>the ArrF and my vet have no idea how to stop this.  And for you wiseguys
>TO>out there, I WILL NOT MOVE.  My family has lived in this house for 4
>TO>generations.  The problem is you men.  Please help me.  I can't clean up
>TO>forever.  Thank You.
>TO>
>
>TO>--
>

Maybe a high pass filter attached to the dogs tail will work!


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:47 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HTX-404
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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7O>I am curious to see how many owners of Radio Shack HTX-404 tranceivers
  >have noticed that the power output is not what they claim in the owners
  >manuel.

Yes, indeed! I regularly average closer to 7.5 Watts on 12VDC with both
the HTX-202 and the HTX-404.

Make sure your testing method is reliable. Are you not "hitting"
repeaters well - that others are hitting with HTs? If there is a
performance problem, and your readings are correct, please return the
unit and obtain a replacement.

Clint

 * 1st 2.00 #8286 * Give every man thine ear, but few thy voice.
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Thanks to all who have replied regarding the power output of the HTX-404.
Most of the replies found exactly the same results as I have gotten.
One reply said the the output exceeded specs.

Some replies have suggested that I am not using a proper watt meter for 440 Mhz.
I can assure evybody that I am. I have measured the same results on
several watt meters, including a Bird.

I have two HTX-404's and 2 HTX-202's. Both 202's put out 8 watts using
13.8 volts and 3 watts with the supplied battery (7.2 volts). The HTX-404's
only put out 3 1/2 watts using 13.8 volts, and 1 1/2 watts with the supplied
battery. Both 404's were able to be adjusted to 5 watts out using 13.8 volts,
however they still only put out 1 1/2 watts using the supplied battery.

Most of the replies I have received have obtained very similar results to these.
If anybody out there has noticed otherwise, please reply!

Thanks!

'73 de WA3RVT, Steve



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:49 1995
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>I got the impression from GJ4ICD's page that they
were already available in
>Europe. Anyone over there confirm this? How about
elsewhere in the world?
>

>73s  Alf     NU8I/G4ABB
>[e-mail]
>Phoenix,  AZ
>
Hi Alf,  The rigs are available in JA, and I saw them
in Hong Kong(VS6) and Singapore (9V1) a couple weeks
ago during a business trip.  I imagine they should be
stateside really soon.  Heard one on the air on 18
Mhz about a month ago--sounded good but the OM
complained that the 2M output wasnt enough for him (in
JA 2M is only simplex, so ya need more pwr than 10
watts out usually).

73 from Joe Fitter BV2/N0IAT in Taipei, TAIWAN R.O.C.
Ex. 7J1AOF(Japan) KA0ZDH(novice) YU3/N0IAT(Slovenia)
Licensed Radio Amateur since 1986 //comments are mine
only



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:50 1995
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meyer,

What do you mean with problems.  What kind of problems ?  The radios were
not even produced until August 1995.  They have been in europe for about 3
weeks.  If you care to e-mail [e-mail]. I am sure ICOM
would like to know about the " supposed problems that have been occuring
for many months know. "

73' Gary







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G>I have been beta testing with one for a couple of days. Last nite also got a
G>hold of the AT-180 antenna tuner,  it is the same size as the
radio.

You've got one?  I have a couple questions for ya if you don't mind..
What are the F-1,F-2 and F-3 buttons for?  I assume they can be
programmed for something.  Also, how do you change from one band to
another?  Do you have to go into the menu and select the band, filters
power etc.?   That sounds like it might be a bit of a pain if your
mobile.
     ╔══════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (meyer toole) writes:
>Apparently the 706 has been out in Europe for a few months. With problems.
>It should be out in North America in the next 2 weeks. Likely early October.
>Hopefully all problems have been dealt with.
>73,
>Meyer.
>VE3ECX

Well don't tease us, Meyer, tell us about the problems. I've been
eyeing the ads thinking a 706 would fit nicely in my Jeep. But if
it has problems, I'll just find a way to mount the 735 in there
instead.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:53 1995
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Gary P. Fiber ([e-mail]) wrote:
: meyer,

: What do you mean with problems.  What kind of problems ?  The radios were
: not even produced until August 1995.  They have been in europe for about 3
: weeks.  If you care to e-mail [e-mail]. I am sure ICOM
: would like to know about the " supposed problems that have been occuring
: for many months know. "

: 73' Gary
Why get so defensive?
Just what I have heard on 20 meters.  Usually when hams talk about these
things, they don't make it up, nor do they do it in a bad way.
Just to put you at ease, I will try to find out what problems
specifically have been reported in Europe, and get back here.
Also, somewhere in England there is a WWW site with lots of chatter about it.
Hope I haven't ruined your day or anything like that.





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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:54 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: inclusion of radio call signs in unexpected places..
Date: 25 Sep 1995 03:52:49 GMT
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local college radio station is running some stuff by a group called "SETI"
(Savyas Ysatis and Taylor 808, i believe the DJ said was the name of the
people involved...), 1995 release recorded in autumm of 1994, the cut
"Beacon 04" includes AE6Y calling "CQ Contest"....

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:56 1995
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 23/2330Z SEPTEMBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 23 SEPTEMBER AND FORECAST FOR 24 SEPTEMBER - 26 SEPTEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  75/13

GOES satellite data for 22 Sep
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   NA
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  NA
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: NA
       X-ray background: NA
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             24 Sep             25 Sep             26 Sep
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 24 Sep:  75/13

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: mostly quiet to unsettled with one
active period

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 22 Sep
    Learmonth       11  4212 3232
    Fredericksburg   6                           2
    Planetary       10                           4

Observed Kp for 22 Sep: 1001 2222
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
24 Sep     7    Quiet to unsettled
25 Sep     7    Quiet
26 Sep     7    Quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
23 Sep      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
24 Sep      normal         normal         normal
25 Sep      normal         normal         normal
26 Sep      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
DATE                  Observed T index
23 Sep                        16

Observed Australian Regional MUFs:
near predicted monthly values

Predicted Monthly T index for September: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
24 Sep    20    Near predicted monthly values
25 Sep    20    Near predicted monthly values
26 Sep    20    Near predicted monthly values

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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 24/2330Z SEPTEMBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 24 SEPTEMBER AND FORECAST FOR 25 SEPTEMBER - 27 SEPTEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: Very low

Flares: None

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  74/11

GOES satellite data for 23 Sep
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   NA
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  NA
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: NA
 (normal)
       X-ray background: NA
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             25 Sep             26 Sep             27 Sep
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 25 Sep:  75/13

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: Quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 23 Sep
    Learmonth        8  2323 1222
    Fredericksburg   9                          13
    Planetary        8                          12

Observed Kp for 23 Sep: 4202 4332
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
25 Sep     8    Quiet to unsettled
26 Sep     8    Quiet to unsettled
27 Sep     8    Quiet to unsettled

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
24 Sep      Normal         Fair-normal    Fair-normal
PCA Event : None

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
25 Sep      Normal         Normal         Normal
26 Sep      Normal         Normal         Normal
27 Sep      Normal         Normal         Normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
DATE                  Observed T index
24 Sep                15

Observed Australian Regional MUFs:
Near predicted monthly values. Enhancements of 30% at Townsville
and Sydney from 10-13 UT and 19-21 UT. Spread F was observed at
Sydney and Hobart from 14-19 UT.

Predicted Monthly T index for September: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
25 Sep    15    Near predicted monthly values
26 Sep    15    Near predicted monthly values
27 Sep    15    Near predicted monthly values

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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:36:59 1995
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All the old hams use senior citizens discounts and take social security.

When a store gives a discount it surcharges the young.

Every ham getting SS paid far less than he is getting thus taking
even more from the young.

Is it fair for old fat white men to do this?



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| your wife, who is still 130lb, tremendously  attractive, comes  to   |
| you in a hot pink, topless teddy and starts nibbling on your shoulder|
| and you tell her to hang on for a minute because you're just about   |
| to make the contact with East Molohavnia.                            |
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:00 1995
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[e-mail] (Sandy Lynch) wrote:
>
>: The voice of "Ron Hall, Ham Radio Operator," of course, belongs to
>      ^^^^^
>: KP2N, who should be very familiar to anyone who operates on RTTY
>: contests.
>
>That's a pretty good trick ...... so, Ron doesn't even need a
>multi-mode controller to run RTTY ... he just warbles his voice??? ;-)
>
>I couldn't help it ......  ;-)
>
>Cheers
>Sandy
>WA6BXH
>[e-mail]
>

This may sound crazy to you, but it is not entirely off topic:

I actually know a ham, who decoded RTTY by ear. He is one of the best
CW-operators I know and he started to listen to RTTY signals and realizing
that he could hear the difference between the respective letters, so he
started learning all of them. He then designed a device that turned his
keyed CW into RTTY transmissions and actually made a couple of QSOs with
it.

For all those anti-code-pro-digital-modes-guys, who now want to start a new
thread like -stupid-wetware-mode-high-speed-daemons-that-are-really-crazy:
behold, the guy actually is one of the inventors and developpers of PACTOR.
So, who says a high speed CW-daemon cannot contribute to the art of digital
modes??

Peter Lemken
DF5JT/KE4UNQ





From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: KP2N on CNN
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In article <440j7f$[e-mail]> Peter Lemken <[e-mail]> writes:
>This may sound crazy to you, but it is not entirely off topic:
>
>I actually know a ham, who decoded RTTY by ear. He is one of the best
>CW-operators I know and he started to listen to RTTY signals and realizing
>that he could hear the difference between the respective letters, so he
>started learning all of them. He then designed a device that turned his
>keyed CW into RTTY transmissions and actually made a couple of QSOs with
>it.

It's not entirely crazy. I too know someone who claims to be able to
decode RTTY by ear. In fact even I, who has to be one of the world's
worst manual Morse operators to ever pass a code speed test, can decode
some common RTTY sequences by ear. I think most every RTTY operator
recognizes RYRYRY, and I've found I recognize my own call sign, CQ,
NNNN, and a few other things. But I've got to say it does sound a
little crazy to then design a Morse to RTTY translator to be able to
reply when it's lots easier and better to just design a TU. But then
most people think *all* hams are a bit crazy anyway.

>For all those anti-code-pro-digital-modes-guys, who now want to start a new
>thread like -stupid-wetware-mode-high-speed-daemons-that-are-really-crazy:
>behold, the guy actually is one of the inventors and developpers of PACTOR.
>So, who says a high speed CW-daemon cannot contribute to the art of digital
>modes??

But can he copy PACTOR by ear, and do the FEC in his head? Perhaps
he can, but most people can't, which is no doubt why he developed
a machine. There are people with all sorts of freakish talents. I
once met a lightning calculator. He could do basic four function
arithmetic on long strings of numbers as fast as you could read them
to him. But he was lost with trig identities and logs, or even simple
algebraic manipulation. He freely admitted that, however, and didn't
try to claim his lightning calculator skill was a substitute for real
mathematical knowledge.

I frankly don't care if people like to manually play modem, if that's
fun for them, fine. I only jump on those who try to claim that talent
is a substitute for real knowledge of signaling theory, or claim that
OOK Morse is the sine qua non of signaling methods, and insist that
everyone else demonstrate they can do it too before being allowed
to use better methods.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Enrico Di Stefano)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Logbook
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 18:31:51 GMT
Organization: Italia Online
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Hi all,
I need some information... Anyone here could suggest me a good
software for creating and managing an amateur-radio station logbook?
The software should preferrably run under ms-windows 3.1 and should be
shareware or even better freeware...
I appreciate suggestions on where i can find such a software, or
better if you would be so kind to post it here or to send it to my
e-mail address... :-)
Bye all,

--- ivan ---



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Andy Birkhead)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Logbook
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Date: 25 Sep 1995 10:59:00 GMT
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Enrico Di Stefano ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hi all,
: I need some information... Anyone here could suggest me a good
: software for creating and managing an amateur-radio station logbook?
: The software should preferrably run under ms-windows 3.1 and should be
: shareware or even better freeware...
: I appreciate suggestions on where i can find such a software, or
: better if you would be so kind to post it here or to send it to my
: e-mail address... :-)

I use log-eqf, you can find it at FTP: oak.oakland.edu

Andy KB9CAT



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Murray Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for ex VK5CCT Now VK3CCT
Date: 24 Sep 1995 00:25:15 +1000
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[e-mail] (Ricky Scott) writes:

>I was looking for VK5CCT and I just found out from a gracious ham that he
>is now VK3CCT.  I have his P.O. Box but I wonder if anyone in the
>Melborne area might know him and can let him know I am looking for him.
>Also Is he on internet or Pactor.

>He was VQ9CCT in Deigo Garcia in 1980 when I was VQ9RS at the same time.

>Let him know it was Scotty the Electronic Warfare Operator on the EP-3
>that was there at the time.  Also let him know the case of West End last
>quite a long time.
>
>Thanks in Advance

>--
>Ricky J. Scott                 |     The comments expressed here in do not
>Ship Side Support              |     reflect the views of my company or my
>767 Electrical                 |     supervisor.  In fact they wish I would not
>[e-mail]     |     express my opinions


Ricky, round these parts a case of West End would last forever!

Murray kelly. vk4aok. XXXX.


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:05 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for first han
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Distribution: world
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 95 06:35:00 -0500
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MU>May be the best suggestion is, not to get a hand held at all. You may soon
  >find that its range and usefulness is rather limited and that you had spent
  >better the cash on an decent s/h mobile radio.

Not too responsible of a Reply. I key up my "worthless little ole HT,"
and the entire State of California hears me, as well as parts of Vegas
and Arizona (via the Condor System).

The BEST advise we can give this gentleman is to join his local
Amateur Radio club and find out what's happening in his geographical
area.

Clint

 * 1st 2.00 #8286 * Dijon Vu: The feeling you've tasted this mustard before
---
 ■ wcECHO 4.1 ≈ AR-Net: ATTENTION to Details ■ Mira Loma, CA ■ 909-681-6221


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:06 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for first han
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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RM>Hey Scott, I'm in the same boat you're in, I'm about 2 weeks away from my Te
  >nocode ticket, and I'd like a twin bander too.  Please let me know what you

Best thing you can do is join your local Amateur Radio club. There you
will find out what's happening in your neck of the woods. The equipment
recommendations you receive from them are worth more than what we can
do for you here!

Clint

 * 1st 2.00 #8286 * Doing my part to preserve order in the universe
---
 ■ wcECHO 4.1 ≈ AR-Net: ATTENTION to Details ■ Mira Loma, CA ■ 909-681-6221


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Looking for first handheld, suggestions?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <43s705$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Shawn C. Masters) writes:
>Scott Lawrence ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: I just started studing for my tech test.  I want to get a dual band
>: handheld.  Can anyone recommend one.  A friend of mine who just got his
>: license, bought a Icom IC-T21A.  It's incredibily small!!!   But its only
>: 2 meter.
>
>       I would suggest getting an old IC-2AT.  They go for around $100 with
>all the extras.  The radio is damn near indestructible in normal use, and
>works well.  This gets you operating without being overwhelmed by features
>and price.  Once you have played with the HT then you'll knwo better what
>you want out of a fancier one.  For now, you probably won't use but a small
>number of the features on a higher priced model.

Excellent advice as usual, Shawn. I'd add one more thing. You won't
lose much to depreciation by buying used. When you get ready to sell,
you'll get almost all your money back. That certainly isn't true when
buying new. You pay dearly in initial depreciation for that pristine
cardboard box.

And a final thought. Newer isn't necessarily better. There are few
HTs out there that can match the old 2AT's performance as a *radio*.
It's not a scanner, and it's not a Gameboy, but it is a good two
way radio. The only serious lack it has is no CTCSS. If two meter
machines in your area require CTCSS for access (fairly unusual in
most areas), look elsewhere for a radio. (You can fit a CTCSS encoder,
but you'll be stuck opening the rig to change the tone, and that can
be a pain if you use several machines that each have a different
access tone.)

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Gardner)
Subject: Re: Looking for first handheld, suggestions?
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: machines in your area require CTCSS for access (fairly unusual in
: most areas), look elsewhere for a radio. (You can fit a CTCSS encoder,
: but you'll be stuck opening the rig to change the tone, and that can
: be a pain if you use several machines that each have a different
: access tone.)

Or you can do as I did: get the Comspec CTCSS encoder that uses a DIP switch
to set the tone and cut a hole in the HT's case to poke the DIP switch
through. Then you can change tones at will without opening the rig.

--
Jerry Gardner          | Maintainer of the Large Format Digest
[e-mail]    | Send subscription requests to [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J.Fitter BV/N0IAT)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for info on St.Louis & the whole state :From Japan
Date: 24 Sep 1995 05:02:27 GMT
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Konnichiwa Tajiri-sama

Watakushi wa Missouri shu no St. Louis ni sunda imasu,
to 3 nen nihon ni irrashatan desu.  Tadaima, ware ware
wa Taipei ni imasu.  HF no musen dekimasu ka?  Tabun,
ware ware wa hf de contact o shimasu.  E-mail de
kudasai.
--
73 from Joe Fitter  BV2/N0IAT  Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C.
Ex. 7J1AOF(Japan) KA0ZDH(novice) YU3/N0IAT(Slovenia)
Licensed Radio Amateur since 1986 //comments are mine
only



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Mac Ham Soft
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:11 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: [e-mail] (Ron Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Manufacturer's web sites?
Date: 25 Sep 1995 04:14:00 GMT
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In <43sudo$[e-mail]> Robert McClure <[e-mail]>
writes:

>
>Does anyone out there know if the major radio makers (Alinco, Icom, Kenwood,
>Yaesu, etc.) have web sites where you can read about their products?
>
>If you do know of these and you don't mind forwarding the info, please
>email me at the address below:
>
>[e-mail]
>
>Thanks for your time folks!
>
>

I hope this will be posted so the rest of us can get the information as well.
--
Ron Klein - W0OSK
-----------------
[e-mail]





From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:12 1995
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From: "Gary P. Fiber" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need IC-2000 Mod.
Date: 23 Sep 1995 06:07:43 GMT
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Book titled " Radio / Tech Modifications By Artsci, Inc will get you the
information.  Also send a MARS or CAP license to ICOM America, Inc  2380
116th Ave N.E. bellevue, WA 98004 Atten " Customer Service "  You will
receive the information also

73' Gary



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:13 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!nntp.teleport.com!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Michael Dorn)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NEED VT100 TERMINALS
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 20:53:50 GMT
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Looking to purchase 6 VT100 terminals...

must be:

1) fully functional
2) includes keyboard
3) under $50/ each

if you can accomodate, please email: <[e-mail]>

mike



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:14 1995
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Subject: Re: Need your input for Surplus Land Mobile Radio FAQ
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Tom
read your msg on putting these older radios back in service on the ham
bands.  My son and I bought some Motorola Mitreks and are converting
them.  These were a matter of recrystaling and replacing one cap and
rewinding a small coil.  All this is done in the frequency elements and
then retuning the radio.  I have had good luck with the first one (just
finished it).

I would like info on the conversion of a 450 Mhz MICOR.

Let's discuss

John K9UTK


On 19 Sep 1995, Tom Randolph wrote:

>
> What the heck, let's make it official:
> I'm willing to compile a FAQ, all about those surplus police and taxicab
> radios and converting them for ham-band use... you know, the ones you always
> hear on the air 'cuz somebody converted one: Motorola Mitrek, GE Master II,
> Phoenix, Delta, blah, blah, blah. There's dozens of these things available for
> cheap money, and I'm sure a lot of us would like to know which ones to look
> for, and which to skip over, as their performance often beats the imported
> synthesized rigs!
>
> In particular, what I want to get is information on how to identify the
> particular models, what band they're on, crystal or synth, whether they're an
> easy conversion, need a fair amount of work and skill, or are impossible, and
> how to tell all of this by looking at them and reading the model/serial
> numbers. Also, it'd be good to know if a full manual with schematics and
> tune-up procedure is available, from either the manufacturer or a Sam's
> photofact type publication.
>
> I don't really want to start a database of HOW to do the mods. That would be
> difficult without graphics, and would occupy megabytes! This should be fairly
> easy to deduce from the tune-up procedure and other details in the manual.
>
> WHY do this?
> 1) I'm interested - I've passed over a lot of these at fleas, for lack of any
>    information about what I was looking at.
> 2) It doesn't seem to exist anywhere else. A lot of hams have some knowledge
>    about some radios, no one has written it all up.
> 3) Put these radios back to work, and save them from the scrapyards!
>
> So there it is... all info, pointers, literature references appreciated! Send
> to me at: [e-mail]
>
> -Tom R.   N1OOQ   [e-mail]
>
>


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:15 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!southwind.net!usenet
From: wf0a@southwind (Richard Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NEEDED: INTERNET LINK BETWEEN KANSAS AND TEXAS
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 15:27:07 GMT
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I am looking fo someone who has a good connect path to TEXAS who I can forward
to via the internet.

Richard      [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Karlquist)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Non-inductive Resistors?
Date: 25 Sep 1995 19:51:08 GMT
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In article <43q5mu$[e-mail]>, Zack Lau  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>By measuring them. You do have to be careful though.  If you
>measure resistors with 1 inch leads, you will be measuring the
>inductance of the leads as well.

>I did test the 271-152A 100 ohm resistors.  A pair of them will make
>a nice 2 watt HF dummy load if you keep the leads short.  Unlike
>carbon composition resistors, which burn up rather easily, metal
>oxide resistors will even handle a little abuse.
>
>Zack KH6CP/1

Zack is right on here.  Metal film resistors are vastly superior to
carbon comp resistors in all respects except inductance.  However,
the inductance is usually negligible up to at least 144 MHz.  We
have characterized many metal film resistors here at HP and have
found that they are usually intelligently designed so they don't
have a lot of inductance (i.e., only a few "turns").

If you want a really bullet proof 50 ohm resistor, order (as a replacement
part) one of the 50 ohm resistors used for terminating scope inputs on
the HP 17XX series of scopes.  They are designed to take a lot of
abuse and have low inductance.  And if you do burn one out, it doesn't
go up in flames!

Rick Karlquist N6RK
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jay Collin Lyle )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Opinions wanted on GAP Titan DX antenna
Date: 24 Sep 1995 03:13:40 GMT
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X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 23  8:13:40 PM PDT 1995

I am seeking opinions on the GAP TITAN DX antenna before I purchase
one.

Please post to the group and e-mail me direct.

Thanks in advance.

Jay Lyle


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kok Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Patch Antennas -- References??
Date: 22 Sep 1995 15:42:11 -0700
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[e-mail] (Jim Weir) writes:

>It is also out of library.  My library did a data search and came up
>empty.  Does anybody know either (a) where I can get my hands on a
>copy of this book even if only for a day or (b) another good reference
>text for patch antennas.  Neither Jasik nor Hamsher (my two antenna
>bibles) make any reference to a "patch" antenna.


In the Third Edition of Jasik (edited by R. C. Johnson), patch antennas
are discussed in chapter 7, Robert E. Munson, "Microstrip Antennas."

The second edition of Kraus also has a section on patch antennas.

If all else fails, I do have a copy of the book you are looking for.
Pretty rudimentary stuff, and a bunch of BASIC programs in that book.
You are far better off with Jasik and Kraus; believe me.

73

Kok Chen, AA6TY                         [e-mail]
Apple Computer, Inc.


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:19 1995
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From: "Walt (N3JPR)" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: QSL card graphics ?
Date: 23 Sep 1995 11:24:49 GMT
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      I just started making my own QSL cards and have been looking for
some graphics to add and can't seem to find much of anything on the
internet.
I have several ham radio cd's and they are of no help.Are there any sites
out there or any cd's that have the graphics?
The formats I can use are .wpg,.bmp or .pcx. Other hams have also been
looking to no avail any pointers would be great.
      I think it would be great to find graphics of
rigs,antennas,satellites,logos,TNC's ect.

                                           Thanks
                                            Walt  N3JPR



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (HAMKB8UUM)
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Subject: QSL route SL0ZG
Date: 25 Sep 1995 15:08:58 -0400
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 Does anyone have a QSL route for SL0ZG I worked him on 20 meter phone I
beleive he wanted it via the buro can anyone help?


                                             Geoff KB8UUM


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:20 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Mods
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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GU>I had a few monts ago a file that had hundreds of mods for Ham's and
  >Scanners. I have since lost it and can't figure out which site it was on.

Landline BBS ATTENTION to Details has several hundred radio equipment
modification files. It's a free BBS, too! 909-681-6221 in Southern
California is where I get my mod files!

Clint Bradford

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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:22 1995
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Subject: Re: Radio Shack Speaker-m
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: Re: Radio Shack Speaker-mic??

The Radio Shack 19-310 speaker-mike is a workhorse of a unit. Not
pretty to look at, but it sure does the job well.

I got sick of the "mini" ("mini" = "tinny") ones I bought. My personal
favourite is the Icom HM-54 - a solid handfull of a speaker-mike. But
it's three times the price of the Radio Shack unit.

The best of the mid-sized I could find was Standard's.

Now, then, if someone could only whack off the proprietary plug on my
Motorola VISAR speaker-mike and outfit it with "amateur" plugs, I would
be forever grateful...<g>

Clint

 * 1st 2.00 #8286 * The 4 food groups: Fast, frozen, instant and microwaved.
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Thompson)
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Subject: Re: Radio Shack Speaker-mic??  Any good?
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Thanks everybody for your advice.  I did go ahead and get the radio shack
mic though.  So far it has not broken (had it a day) and people have told me
that it sounds good.  The sound quality on my end on the speaker seems okay.
I just wish it was slightly smaller.  Oh well I will keep it for awhile.
Maybe eventually I will get the MFJ or the Yaesu one that goes with my
FT-530.  But for the time, place, and price it seemed the best for me.

Thanks again everybody,

John


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steven Carter)
Subject: Re: Radio Shack Speaker-mic??  Any good?
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In article <43vuiv$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (John Thompson) wrote:
>
>Thanks everybody for your advice.  I did go ahead and get the radio
shack
>mic though.  So far it has not broken (had it a day) and people have
told me
>that it sounds good.  The sound quality on my end on the speaker
seems okay.
>I just wish it was slightly smaller.  Oh well I will keep it for
awhile.
>Maybe eventually I will get the MFJ or the Yaesu one that goes with
my
>FT-530.  But for the time, place, and price it seemed the best for
me.
>
>Thanks again everybody,
>
>John

Hey John,

I've been using a RS speaker mic on my HTX-202 for about six months
now.  I don't think you made a bad choice.  I always carry mine on my
mountain bike when I'm riding and it's taken a tremendous pounding
without a single problem.  On more than one occasion I've knocked it
off the handle bar and had it bounce and drag until I could get
stopped.  Seems tough enough to me.

Just one ham's opinion.


73,
Steve KA4IQD
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:25 1995
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Subject: RB397 MGT Activation and the RO 1/3
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 95 12:05:18 PDT
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Date: Sat, 23 Sep 95 12:05:18 PDT
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: RB397 MGT Activation and the RO 1/3

To:   Emergency Management Agencies via Amateur Radio
Info: Communications Volunteers in Government Service
Info: Amateurs U.S. (@usa:Information), ACS, CAP, MARS, RACES
By:   Auxiliary Communications Service (ACS), the volunteer
      communications reserve of the State of California
      Governor's Office of Emergency Services

RB397 MGT Activation 1/3 - For release 9/25/95

Activation - Some thoughts and Reminders.
Operations Procedures for Radio Officers

When notified to provide emergency operations assistance (which
can be communications or other related activities) the Radio
Officer (RO) makes an initial evaluation of requirements versus
the capabilities.

Assuming there are trained components available, the RO then
initiates the call-up of the required resources, whether it be a
one-person response or an on-going 24 hour day-to-day operation.
If there are NO trained components available, and no standing
agreements, the RO uses the area support structure for getting
or accessing resources. In California, County Radio Officers can
obtain needed communications resources via a State OES mutual aid
system. The State OES Region Radio Officer serves as the point of
contact to obtain resources from other areas. This saves the
RO much calling; only one call is required. It is also beneficial
for alerts of potential needs "just in case"!

Where an on-going operation requires a Net Control Station, the
RO assigns the NCS (unless there is a Standing Order in effect
that does the same thing.) If there is no Frequency Standing
Order or plan-designated ones, the RO designates the
frequency(s). There are a variety of ways in which net(s) can be
setup. The complexity of the situation dictates the results in
general terms. Operationally, a command frequency is needed; a
resource frequency and others may be also needed. Much depends on
which type of EOC or command post is involved.

The RO, or a designated Shift Supervisor, sets up the initial
work schedule for radio or other communications equipment
operations (where and if involved). This could include a person
assigned to follow up on persons that may not have been contacted
under the initial alert or call-out procedure (where applicable).
(Continued, next week)

ACS Addresses:  2800 Meadowview Rd., Sacramento, CA. 95832.
Ph: 916-262-1600. FAX [phone]. Landline BBS: 916-262-1657.
[e-mail] or Internet [e-mail] or [e-mail].
Bulletin delivery problems? Notify W6WWW@KM6PX.#NOCAL.USA.NA
EOM



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Reason for code test?
Date: 23 Sep 1995 02:38:44 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

: There are only TWO reasons I can see that I should be required to know code
: even though I have no intention of EVER using it:

: 1. It is a screening process of hams to make sure that I am serious about the
: hobby (I equate this to hazing).

   Is learning the theory a screening process? Some people learn code
easier than the theory I imagine. Some people seem to be able to learn it
pretty quick. Kids pick it up very quickly.


: 2. It is a way for hams to artificially increase interest and/or traffic in CW.

  Doesn't make sense. If this was the case there would be hardly any CW
on the air. Of coarse that's not the case as there's a LOT of CW on the
air.


: There is really no good reason that I must know code.


  Then I guess there's no reason for you to learn digital modes either huh?
Why won't you learn the code? Only because you feel you shouldn't have
to? Lame excuse to me. It's funny, a lot of CBers bitch about having to
learn the code too. Lame excuse considering they can get a Tech license
which tells me their also probably too lazy to learn the theory too.


: When I upgraded my drivers licence from an operator to a chauffeur, they did
: not require proof of proficiency in handling of a horse drawn buggy! :)

  A little silly really.


Are you a ham? Just curious.


Tom - KB2SMS


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Bennett)
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Subject: Recommended Mac code training software?
Date: 23 Sep 1995 21:32:01 -0500
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Can anyone recommend software for my Mac to teach me (rank amateur) code, and
get me up to speed?i

Freeware is preferable, but shareware is OK and full-blown commercial software
a last resort.

Thanks,
Mark Bennett
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SAMS Photofact #273
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 03:00:47 GMT
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Anyone out there have access to a SAMS #274, tab 7?  This is one that
covers my Hallicrafters TW-2000 receiver.  I will be glad to pay copy
and mailing costs.  Best 73, GaryHarmon/K5JWK



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
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Subject: Re: Small 151mhz Receivers wanted.
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 95 17:51:32 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ben Delisle) wrote:
>        Information Request:
>
>I am looking for radio receivers that are small enough to be taped to the
>helmets of student paraglider pilots. The radios we currently have are
>becoming old or broken and reliability is in question. What we have now
are
>"Realistic" Brand "UHF Receiver" part number 20-108, they are about 5" X
3"
>X 1" in size, light weight. But they are apparently discontinued. These
>radios receive two channels, with crystals installed.

If you only need receive only, and don't need extremely high sensitivity,
old tone and voice pagers like the Motorola "Minitor" or "Pageboy" (I
think those are the right model names) may serve your purposes.  They are
quite solidly built, can be retuned to the 151 MHz band, and only cost a
few dollars each as surplus.  By holding the button down, they will receive
FM voice constantly.  However, they are single channel and have no squelch
(other than by paging tones).  Also, I don't think these will allow you to
re-use the crystals from the Radio Shack units (different IF frequency).

-Mike KD4QDM


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:31 1995
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Subject: Re: Strange A/C Interference Problem.
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[e-mail] (Motu Iti) wrote:
>
> Although this doesn't relate directly to Ham Radio, this seems to be the
> best area for an answers. I hope somebody can help.
>
> Intermittently there comes across the screen of my TV  & VCR, horizontal
> static lines. It was determined by the Cable Co fellow that these were
> caused by some device causing AC interference to leak into my homes cable
> network. My home cable network has many outlets that I use an amplified 4X
> splitter.
>
> Anyway I CAN understand what he is talking about but here is my dilemma.
> Every time this random occurrence happens, I can go over to one of the
> wall light switches in the room, turn on the lights they control ( just
> momentarily)  and the static lines go away and usually doesn't come back
> for a while. The only other clue I can offer is that that happened once
> before than went away all together for months Just recently it started up
> again. I've turned off the obvious motor driven devices (AC, Frig etc) and
> no effect. The only effect is turning ON the lights even momentarily, then
> the static lines will stop for a duration of 5 minutes to a half
> hour??????
> I suppose the load on the circuit the lights cause changes impedance  but
> why only momentarily?
>
> Does anybody have a any clue out there? Please also E-Mail me a copy of
> your response.
>
> Sandy

You might possibly have a marginal (slightly corroded) connection
on one or more AC Switches or outlets.  Turning them on or off may
be breaking the corrosion for a while...the corroded contacts could
be causing some sort of rectification which could in turn cause the
interference..

I know of someone a few years back who had this problem in a junction
box in his attic..he had aluminum wiring..It can also happen of
course with copper..

Steve, WA2NHZ



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Feldman)
Subject: Talk-in & Phone # for 9/24 BARCFEST?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Planning to go to BARCFEST tomorrow (Longmont, Colorado). Need the
talk-in freq. Would like a table. Need to know who to call to see if
table possible. Thanks, 73 Dave WB0GAZ [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kris N3RQT)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Teaching code to a child
Date: 24 Sep 1995 07:51:33 -0400
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This morning my 6 year old daughter came into the shack and asked, "Dad,
would you please teach me Morse code?"

What is the best way to approach this?  I know not to teach her the way I
learned - memorizing dots and dashes for each character.  This is like
golf.  Learn it correctly from the beginning.

Should she learn all the characters by sound first, before doing any
sending?  Is starting off with a paddle/keyer okay?

Are there any courses or articles on how to *teach* morse code as opposed
to how to learn it?

Thanks.


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Teaching code to a child
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In article <443go5$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kris N3RQT) writes:
>This morning my 6 year old daughter came into the shack and asked, "Dad,
>would you please teach me Morse code?"
>
>What is the best way to approach this?  I know not to teach her the way I
>learned - memorizing dots and dashes for each character.  This is like
>golf.  Learn it correctly from the beginning.
>
>Should she learn all the characters by sound first, before doing any
>sending?  Is starting off with a paddle/keyer okay?
>
>Are there any courses or articles on how to *teach* morse code as opposed
>to how to learn it?

I may not like to use Code, but since I had a devil of a time learning
it I later did some research on learning techniques, so I'll offer some
tips that have helped others. First, you're absolutely right that you don't
want to teach dots and dashes. Teach the *sound* of each letter instead.
Each letter sounds different as a unit. You want to learn it that way.

Instead of starting out with ETAIONS as is usually recomended, I suggest
you start out with letter pairs that are sound opposites, IE A and N,
G and W, K and R, Q and Y, L and F, etc. Listen to the pairs and try to
tell them apart by their *sound*. Then work on the bit inverses, E and T,
I and M, S and O, etc. Finally, learn the orphans. By learning the antipodal
pairs this way, they become well separated in the "signal spaces" your brain
will set up for pattern matching and you'll have less confusion later. This
antipodal concept is based on information theory and cognitive theory and
has been shown to be very effective.

The downside to this method is that it is *boring*, and you won't
quickly be able to spell out simple words to hold the child's interest.
It may be worthwhile to teach the letters in the child's name first,
just so she will have something "neat" to show off to her friends
right away. But learning the pair sounds works better in the long
run. You can try to make a game of it to lessen the tedium. After
she's learned several pairs, ocasionally throw in a surprise letter
instead of the expected pair opposite. This is guaranteed to delight
her when she catches you at it.

Now obviously, the letters sound different at different speeds.
It's better to learn the letter sounds at a higher rather than
a lower speed. The Farnsworth method may have some value here,
but tighten up the letter spacing as quickly as you can because
you don't want to *think* about what you hear. Instead you want
the recognition be become reflex, and thinking about the sound
interferes with that.

Learning to send isn't important at all at first, and may actually
impair learning the letters as sounds. That's because sending is
mechanical, and naturally forces you to think about the individual
dots and dashes. That's exactly the *wrong* thing to be thinking
about while you're still learning the letter sounds. Keep the
victim, I mean student, *away* from the key at first.

This is also *boring* to a kid who wants to "make the noises" right
away. So you may need to modify this a bit and allow her to practice
sending letters she's learned to hear well after each drill session.
This is just for *fun* though, so don't try to correct her sending at
this point. That'll get her thinking too much about the dots and
dashes, and you don't want that.

After she's receiving the entire alphabet well at a good speed, *then*
let her start concentrating on good sending. The goal is to make the
same sounds with the key that she already knows as letters. That will
be very natural to her at this point, and sending speed will rise very
quickly.

A child's attention span is short, so don't make the drill sessions
long. Ten minutes a day is plenty unless she *demands* more. But do
make the practice sessions *regular*, don't let her slack off and
skip days frequently. The conditioning required to learn Code is
much the same as training a dog. You have to be consistent and regular
in your training sessions, and you need to reinforce good behavior
and not reinforce poor behavior. Don't scold, and if she gets really
frustrated, stop for the day. Always let her play with the radios
after a practice session if she wants. That's her reward for a good
job on the practice session.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Curry KB2TJQ)
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Subject: Re: Telnet address for daily callsign updates
Date: 24 Sep 1995 14:50:01 GMT
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Scott A. Manthe ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>,
: [e-mail] (David Adams) wrote:

: > Can someone provide this?  I finally goaded my wife into taking the
: > tests and want to get her callsign to her.
: >
: > Thanks.
: >
: > dave
 Try telnet  callsign.ualr.edu 2000 this is apparently updated daily by the
FCC.  I use this to check calls instead of the callbook.  If you wanna talk
to humans and wait forever on hold, try 18003221117

73
Dave KB2TJQ/AA














From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:49 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Top Ten Reasons to Learn CW Needed
Date: 25 Sep 1995 20:00:35 GMT
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I'm helping teach a very large group of people Morse code and
would like to hear from those experienced CW operators why CW
is a good skill to master, where it shines over all other modes
and protocols, its unique characteristics that make learning it
and using it worthwhile.  The list need not stop at 10 or have
10 reasons, but I'd like to pass along some sound reasons why
in this day and age CW is a useful skill.  Although I passed the
20wpm and have my Extra, I have not had enough experience with
actually using CW over a long period of time to know its actual
merits.  Thanks.  --Bill KB8USZ  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:50 1995
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From: Thomas Martin <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: W2GHK - Silent Key
Date: 23 Sep 1995 11:44:02 GMT
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http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html is where you need
to be. Very good callsign lookup server.

73's
N5ZNO Thomas Martin
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone])
Subject: Was: Re:Drop Code? RA tried in the UK, now, should non-UK hams comment
In-Reply-To: [e-mail]'s message of Sat, 23 Sep 1995 01:38:53 GMT
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I also am a member of the RSGB, have a reciprocal license and plan to
take the RAE and Morse test next spring (to get an "M" license,
apparently), but it's not clear to me if I should make comments to the
RA and/or RSGB about UK licensing standards.  I'm not from there, or
living there.
73, doug



From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:52 1995
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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Was: Re:Drop Code? RA tried in the UK, now, should non-UK hams comment
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 95 20:59:37 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone]" writes:

> I also am a member of the RSGB, have a reciprocal license and plan to
> take the RAE and Morse test next spring (to get an "M" license,
> apparently), but it's not clear to me if I should make comments to the
> RA and/or RSGB about UK licensing standards.  I'm not from there, or
> living there.

Sure, comment away.

BTW, did you say that the RA gave a reciprocal license to a Tech?

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Derek Wanrke)
Subject: Website?
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Con anyone tell me of a good amateur website that I could browse around on.
Please post or e-mail.

TNX,
Derek, N9UPW

--
d. Warnke
Michigan State University
Telecommunication
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lyndon Nerenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: XR0Y Interactive Log Search Now Available
Date: 23 Sep 1995 00:22:42 -0700
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[e-mail] (JEFF SUMBERG) writes:
>Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the on-line logs are
>not up to date. I never received my Email confirmation, nor did any
>other ham in my area that worked the expedition. I last checked "Am I
>in the logs?" last night (9/19).

>It appears that the on-line logs have not been updated since last
>Thursday 9/14, at around 1400utc. Since I, and most of my friends
>worked them just after that time, we haven't been able to find
>ourselves listed.

Actually, the latest batch arrived just after 3PM PDT (UTC-7) on the 15th.

The Internet link from Easter has been painful at the best of times. Network
throughput (end-to-end) is on the order of a couple of hundred baud. Imagine
reading email and transferring files over AMTOR and you will have an idea
of what they have had to contend with.

They have logged in to the system since the 15th (latest login was on
the 19th). It may be that they have decided to collect all the rest of
the logs together and clean them up before uploading it all in one batch.
This is *pure* speculation on my part, however.

I will add something to the search page saying how current the log info
is.

--lyndon

--
Orthanc Systems: Internet and UNIX consulting
___________________________________________________________
[e-mail] || canada!lyndon || Fax: [phone]
                 http://www.orthanc.com/


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:55 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: You Know You're a Ham When...
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 95 23:52:52 -0500
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This was in one of the local club newsletters.  I don't know who wrote it
originally, but I know I certainly can relate to most of these, and
I thought you would enjoy them also.


You know you are a Ham when:


The only time you get up at 6AM is for a hamfest.
You know you can run all your home appliances on your personal back-up
 power.
You have breakfast with a guy in England every morning.
Your ARES/RACES/MARS bags are always packed.
The cute girl with the "KISS" T-shirt asks you what bands you like and
you
    answer two and twenty meters.
You live in a shack.
A clerk asks you to spell your name and you do so phonetically.
In a conversation, you wait for the courtesy tone before speaking.
You hear a scraping sound when driving thru the fast-food restaurant
window
  lane.
A band opening is more important than a grand opening.
Sight-seeing amounts to looking at rooftops for antennas.


Have any suggestions for additions to the list?

73, Mike KB3RG


From [e-mail] Mon Sep 25 19:37:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: You Know You're a Ham When...
Date: 25 Sep 1995 04:16:58 GMT
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>You know you are a Ham when:
>
   (other funny stuff deleted)

>You hear a scraping sound when driving thru the fast-food restaurant
>window

I have found this to be especially true for those of us who drive Ford
Explorers with several long whips mounted on the roof! <g>

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM