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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
Date: 1 AUG 95 12:29:38
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes...
    <snip>
>manual Morse, certainly more than sufficient to buy one of the better
>     digital appliances     that will have better performance on the air than
>OOK Morse.
    <snip>
>those with digital communications experience. If we're going to
>train operators, we should at least be training them in skills
>that will be in demand.
>
>Part 97.1 says amateur radio is to provide a self-trained pool
>of operators skilled in the radio arts. Read in the context of
    <snip>

So, if I read you correctly, we should give up Morse in favor of being highly
skilled at the radio art of operating a digital appliance. Hmm...
- typing
- plugging multi-pin D connectors together
- inserting floppy disks correctly
- running Windoze (or whatever)
- plugging option cards into the back of the PC

Sounds like an exciting future ahead. Yawn.

Seems to me if we're going to talk "training" or "skills in the radio arts", we
should teach the basics. Skipping from "this is a resistor" to "error
correction algorithms for digital data" teaches squat. I have been putting
myself through the exercise of building from scratch a 40m CW receiver for the
past few months... I'm taking my time and learning as much as possible about
every circuit I use, the options available, the effects on performance, etc.

You don't get this from a TNC. Learning communications on a simple, basic
level, like CW, is the first step to going on higher to fancy modulations and
data encodings, if you wish to pursue them. I ODed on computers at work a long
time ago, so having one do the communicating for me doesn't really excite me.

BTW, lest you think I'm totally anti-digital... one of my next projects will be
a PLL controlled VFO, preferably programmable in some way.

-Tom R.   N1OOQ   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clinton Peebles)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Handheld radio harness?
Date: Tue,  1 Aug 1995 12:47:00 GMT
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SR>I need to carry a handheld radio whilst skiing/bicycling. Preferably under
SR>the neck or the side of torso.

SR>Any advice appreciated on a suitable harness.

Have you looked at a check harness?  Watch out that you don't get the
antenna in the nose though :)
---
 ■ QMPro 1.53 ■ Tag line thievery..Comin' up next on Geraldo.


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack selling Outdated Adv. Test book
Date: 1 Aug 95 14:01:00 -0800
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In article <3vlfpb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman) writes:
> ??? You blather mindlessly, and you expect Conway to care?
>
>>Ken
>
> //jbaltz
> jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
> [e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz

OK, Jerry.  I trust you've massaged your ego enough that you can get on with
your life.

You're welcome.

Ken
--

__________________________________________________________________________
Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Amateur (jerks) Electronic Supply
Date: 1 Aug 1995 14:29:40 GMT
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For what it's worth, I ordered some items from AES Milwaukee last Friday
(they haven't yet arrived, but that's probably because UPS hasn't arrived at
my building yet) and spoke for a bit with the gentleman on the other side of
the phone. He said that:

a) There are AES employees watching this discussion
b) There have been memos sent out *and*
c) He personally was watching himself carefully. I don't remember his name;
he was very polite.

The upshot being: at least AES knows about the problem, and is going to make
at least a token effort to fix it.

I know that HRO employees are on the net. Has anyone called up HRO to order
anything recently and asked them about it?

I also know that Radio City is on the net, but I haven't seen many
complaints about them.

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
Date: 1 Aug 1995 14:43:34 GMT
Organization: double ionizers association
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In article <3vdnng$[e-mail]>,
gregory brown <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Your sleeping habits (and your strange fascination with Jimminy Cricket)
>are of no concern to me.  But what you are saying, essentially, is
>that as long as there are enough people out there operating your mode
>that you have people to talk to, you're happy.  That this represents a
>tiny fraction of the hams world-wide is of no concern to you. And, by
>extension (based upon comments in another of your posts), those
>operators who "quack" (speak) and "beep" (use Morse) are un-enlightened
>cavemen not worthy of your attention.

Yes, he's happy, just as you're happy that there are Morse Code beepers and
Voice Box Squawkers with whom YOU can talk. What is the big deal? If Gary
doesn't want to talk with the morons on 14.313, will you take offense at
that?

>I've enjoyed your recent posts, Gary.  They do a good job of giving
>people a peak at your fundamental mind-set and remind all of us that
>those _concerned_ with "superior technology" and "progress" advance the
>human condition, while those _obsessed_ with it sometimes have little
>regard for how it might impact people in the present.

Since when is the thrust of Amateur Radio to "improve the human condition"?
Your argument is so specious and weak that you must resort to silly _ad
hominem_ attacks on Gary to further your silly point.

All computers-talking-to-computers are doing is moving the communication one
level of abstraction up. It's still *people* who tell the computers to
communicate with another (for now). I mean, we communicate via computer over
Usenet, why is that so much different than ham radio? Is it so much more
personal when you see my voice? (I suppose if we were using ATV in real time
I would argue that THAT is somehow more "personal".)

>You appear to be a technical wizard, Gary, and you obviously put more
>stock in those purposes and goals of the Amateur Service which
>correspond to your interests.  Others (some of whom could even be

Translation: Gary, you're a geek. [If it makes you feel any better, Gary, I
am a geek too. -j]

>described as "appliance operators") choose to hone their operating
>skills and optimize their ability to communicate with as broad a
>cross-section of hams as possible, thus fulfilling other purposes and
>goals of the service.

There's no problem with that, so long as these operators don't blindly cling
to one form of communication, claiming it is the best for this or that or
whatever, even when they've been proven wrong.

There's nothing wrong with beeping along in CW (Even Gary did it!) at all.
Just don't claim that it is the be-all-end-all-alpha-omega-savior-of-ham-
radio.

>Greg

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn C. Masters)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
Date: 1 Aug 1995 14:46:08 GMT
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Jack Palladay ([e-mail]) wrote:
:   Jeez, enough already.  Is there a Coke versus Pepsi newsgroup
: somewhere?  You guys can each take a side (ie. Coke is CW and Pepsi
: is SSB) and then argue to your hearts.content.  It never ceases to

        The only people that bring up SSB is those using CW to show how much
better it is then SSB.  What the arguement really stems from is some people
who want to spread falsehoods about CW being able to get through when nothing
else will, and the discussion of Morse code as a testing requirment for
licensing.  The first is continous brought up, because many feel it's time
to put that myth to rest.  The second because some feel it is a good lid
filter while others think it's no more valid then testing SSTV.
        The second arguement is a decision each of us choose, the first is a
provable fact.

        73,
                Shawn
                KE4GHS


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
Date: 1 Aug 1995 14:50:58 GMT
Organization: double ionizers association
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In article <3vleim$[e-mail]>,
A complete blithering moron <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Usenet, why is that so much different than ham radio? Is it so much more
>personal when you see my voice? (I suppose if we were using ATV in real time

That should be "hear", twit.

Duh.

>//jbaltz

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Glenn Mead)
Subject: Re: Installing a Ground Rod
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: mead@teton (Glenn Mead)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 95 19:11:23 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
|> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Wasmir Robeves) writes:
|> >
|> >I'm in the process of building my house. Can I use the reinforcing steel bars
|> >of the foundation, buried about 6 feet under ground, as my grounding system?

I would not use rebarb that is part of a foundation as a grounding point.
If you did happen to have a direct hit, it could cause your foundation
to shatter/crack/explode.


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mbutu Nguni)
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Subject: Re: CCR restrictions (was Re: Local Antenna Restrictions)
Date: 1 Aug 1995 20:03:39 GMT
Organization: Central Africa Animal Exports Ltd.; Kikwit, Zaire
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Curtis Wheeler wrote:

>BTW- Even Dreamworld has CC&Rs - keeps out the riff raff.

You mean there's a 20 wpm code test?

-Dave


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Long A. Tran )
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Subject: Re: How to UnZip *.zip
Date: 1 Aug 1995 20:16:56 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> Raymond Dong
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>On 31 Jul 1995, James L. McKiel wrote:
>
>> I have reciently downloaded some files for studying for the General
>> Ham test.  These files were in *.zip format. The only executable
>> I have to UnZip these is PKUNZIP. This program will not work. It
says
>> that it doesn't know how to handle the files, or something like
that.
>> Does anyone have or know where I can get a program which works to
>> unzip these?
>>
>       Jim:
>
>       Note that if you are trying to UNZIP a recently zipped file
>       with an older version of PKUNZIP, it probably wont work.  I
>       believe the latest PKUNZIP is 2.04g and has a date of mid-1993.
>
>       ray
OR maybe, the file is corrupted.

Long (KE6HGI)


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (P Ryder)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Phone to radio. Help needed please.
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 21:56:50 GMT
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Does anyone know of anyway i (using a PC and phone line) could connect
to a  Amateur radio Packet station?

I would appriciate suggestions and help to

[e-mail]



Thanks :-)


Paul.




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rafeek Kottai)
Subject: Next Hamfest in IL/IN?
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Hello,

Do anyone has any information on upcoming Hamfests near Chicago Area
in the August/September time frame?

Thank you,

Rafeek Kottai KB7DBJ
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (GFA Robin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Hamfest: Onalaska WI
Date: 1 Aug 1995 22:49:10 -0400
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There will be a hamfest in Onalaska, Wisconsin on August 26th at the Omni
Center 255 Rider's Club rd. Talk-ins will be available for those
unfamiliar with the area. Onalaska is just north of LaCrosse. There are
still a few tables left for anyone wanting to set up. For more
information, E-Mail me [e-mail] or contact Dick Low K0JYB at
[phone].

Robin


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Regional Warning Centre)
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Subject: IPS Daily Report - 01 August 95
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Date: 1 Aug 1995 23:13:01 -0000
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 01/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 01 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 02 AUGUST - 04 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  73/9

GOES satellite data for 31 Jul
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   1.1E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 3.7E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A1.0
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             02 Aug             03 Aug             04 Aug
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 02 Aug:  75/13

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 31 Jul
    Learmonth        5  2222 1111
    Fredericksburg   7                           7
    Planetary        5                           6

Observed Kp for 31 Jul: 2320 1123
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
02 Aug     5    Quiet
03 Aug     5    Quiet
04 Aug     5    Quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
01 Aug      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
02 Aug      normal         normal         normal
03 Aug      normal         normal         normal
04 Aug      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
01 Aug    24    near predicted monthly values during local day then
                15-30% enhanced.

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
02 Aug    15    Near predicted monthly values
03 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values
04 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: near predicted monthly values to 30% below with
spread F during local night.Townsville MUFs: about 5% below predicted
monthly values with spread F during local night.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values with spread F.

--
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West Chatswood NSW 2057 AUSTRALIA | FTP: ftp://ftp.ips.gov.au/users/rwc/
tel: [phone]                | fax: [phone]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:19 1995
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From: jfj@I_should_put_my_domain_in_etc_NNTP_INEWS_DOMAIN (John F. Jarvis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Who or what is XJ3AT?
Date: 2 Aug 1995 00:41:46 GMT
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Jim Price N3QYE ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Donald R. Barker ([e-mail]) wrote:

: : I recently worked XJ3AT and can't find any references for XJ.  My logging
XJ3AT is listed under VE3AT:
        Ron Vander Kraats
        9 Jopling Ave South
        Islington, ON M9B 3P4

He is very active with the Canadian special events prefixes. The Maple Leaf
Radio Society, 5 McLaren Ave. Listowel, ON N4W 3K1 offers an award for
a minimum of 10 different Canadian prefixes. THere are complicated rules
governing which prefixes a CXanadian ham can use,

--
       John Jarvis, KE2WB    [e-mail]
SNAIL  Dept. of Mathematical Sciences, University of SC
       171 University Parkway, Aiken, SC 29801
PHONE  Bus: [phone] x3264   Home: [phone]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Horrock)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur (jerks) Electronic Supply
Date: 2 Aug 1995 01:15:29 -0400
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>Gosh, I don't know how any ham walking into a ham radio store could
>expect a bad experience.  This seems to be a silly response.  Every ham
>I know looking to spend money is excited about the prospects of having
>a new piece of ham equipment.
>
Duffy, you must run with a bunch of great guys!!  However, I have met
the HAM who does look for a fight.  He normally has a negative word
to say about everything or everyone.  My best guess is that this HAM
gets around a lot! (hi hi)

Regards,
Horrock



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Horrock)
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Subject: Re: Amateur (jerks) Electronic Supply
Date: 2 Aug 1995 01:29:36 -0400
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>The upshot being: at least AES knows about the problem, and is going to
make
>at least a token effort to fix it.
>
>I know that HRO employees are on the net. Has anyone called up HRO to
order
>anything recently and asked them about it?
>

Well as far a HRO goes, in one of their stores they had to move all their
Repeater Pocket books behind the counter because too many of those
small pocket books were being stolen (must be those scanner people -
hihi).

The point is that there more sides to the story then that being given
here.
In fact the best thing an AES or HRO person could do that reads this
thread
is to say nothing, else he/she would be a target.

I was born in Milwaukee and can remember when AES was the place to go
for ANY electronic needs, TVs, Microwaves, parts, etc.  When I get back in
town and go to their Good Hope Road store I have ALWAYS been treated
right.  Yes the phones are ring, they of course do a great deal of mail
order.
But I was always waited on without major delay, and once a saleman
started to wait on me, he stayed with me till I was done.  What more could
someone want?

HRO in Virginia has treated me the same.  In fact the guys behind the
counter hear about how well my dog was trained that they asked me to
bring her in and "DEMO" to then a well trained dog.  Now that's down
right personable.  Again, what more could someone want?  If you want to
be a pen-pale to an AES or HRO sales guy, catch them on packet!!!

Regards,
Horrock



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
Date: 2 Aug 1995 02:29:09 GMT
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In article <3vlmiq$[e-mail]>,
Tom Randolph <[e-mail]> wrote:
>So, if I read you correctly, we should give up Morse in favor of being highly
>skilled at the radio art of operating a digital appliance. Hmm...

Wrong. Not just operating, but understanding its operation.

>- typing

Do they still teach touch-typing in schools anymore?

>- plugging multi-pin D connectors together
>- inserting floppy disks correctly

You'd be surprised how many otherwise techincal people can't do these.

>- running Windoze (or whatever)
>- plugging option cards into the back of the PC

You'd be surprised how many otherwise technical people can't do these,
either.

>Sounds like an exciting future ahead. Yawn.

As opposed to beeping in Morse? Hose me down, it's too much fun.

>Seems to me if we're going to talk "training" or "skills in the radio arts", we
>should teach the basics. Skipping from "this is a resistor" to "error
>correction algorithms for digital data" teaches squat. I have been putting
>myself through the exercise of building from scratch a 40m CW receiver for the
>past few months... I'm taking my time and learning as much as possible about
>every circuit I use, the options available, the effects on performance, etc.

...and if you understand it well, you could make it a 40 m SSB receiver or
an FM receiver or what-have-you (or even make it interface with a computer
and do digital modes!)

>You don't get this from a TNC. Learning communications on a simple, basic

You don't get it from swinging a paddle or from hitting a straight key,
either.

>-Tom R.   N1OOQ   [e-mail]

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack selling Outdated Adv. Test book
Date: 2 Aug 1995 02:30:51 GMT
Organization: double ionizers association
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Ken Harrison <[e-mail]> wrote:
>OK, Jerry.  I trust you've massaged your ego enough that you can get on with
>your life.

Now I are seriously confused. You blathered about rights and all kinds of
other things, and I called you on it. What does my ego possibly have to do
with it?

>Ken

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:23 1995
From: [e-mail] (Beno M Bequette Jr)
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CW an advantage for DXCC?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 02:46:21 -0600
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In a message dated 07-31-95 GARY COFFMAN wrote to  ALL:
 GC> Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)

 GC> In article  [e-mail] writes:
>[e-mail] (Bill Newkirk) writes: >Peter Lemken
><[e-mail]> writes:

>>demonstrations of such communications would be in the military in
>wartime >conditions. they're the guys with all the new toys.

>Most will not understand this but a DX pile up can be much more severe
>than what one would encounter in the military. The military wouldn't
>purposely limit themselves to a single frequency, and  they would not
>permit dozens and dozens of stations to call a single operator.

 GC> Well, the military does have artillery, but shutting up those enemy
 GC> jammers is harder than it sounds. Military systems have to work
 GC> against a malevolent, intelligent, and resourceful enemy trying their
 GC> best to disrupt the communication using every megawatt at their
 GC> disposal.

 GC> Wait, that *does* sound like a DX pileup. Now if this 105 had the
 GC> range to reach that lid down in Texas...

 GC> Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     |
 GC> gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems |    we break
 GC> it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way             |
 GC> Guaranteed!      | [e-mail] Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |
 GC> |

 GC> ---  * Origin: Stingray Mail System (stingray.net) (1:2805/8.0)

In a message dated 07-31-95 at, BENO M BEQUETTE JR wrote to GARY COFFMAN :

When i was in the service the ECM of choose was 8 in., a MLRS spill or two-
12-240mm rockets per spill in 1 grid square, and if you where lucky you might
get some B-52s on an ARK LIGHT mission, 20-35 of them dropping 85-500lb er,s
each on 4 grid squares-guaranteed no survivers. That the proper way to remove
lids.
Have Fun,
Beno
 -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Eval:02Jul95
Origin: Alice strikes back @

 * Origin: Beyond Tomorrow - Moberly, MO USA - [phone] (1:2805/2)


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:24 1995
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From: Gareth Crispell <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What is "HAM"??
Date: 2 Aug 1995 03:52:28 GMT
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[e-mail] (Max Sabo) wrote:
>I remember reading a long time ago (before I was a ham) that the term
>"ham" was used so far back that no one knew what it meant anymore.  Could
>be wrong, but I have never heard anything to the contrary.
>
>Max
>N7NWG
>

Almost 100 years ago there was a American magazine called the " Home
Amateur Mechanic "   An article appeared in this mag about how to build a
newfangled wireless radio. People who built and used these radios started
to be as "Ham" radio people after the magazine's first letters.

N1MSV
--






                 ..as for the mysteries of the
                Universe...they knew them not...


  And in the time of their visitation they shall shine, and run
  to and fro like sparks among the stubble.

  gareth     e-mail    [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Kremer, KF9ZA)
Subject: Repost: Hams who speak/write a language other than English
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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THIS IS THE SECOND POSTING OF THIS ITEM, I PROMISE THIS IS THE
LAST.  SPECIAL THANKS TO BILL FREY , KB8UNC FOR HIS DUTCH
TRANSLATION.
------------------------------------------------------------

My QSL card shows a photo of the car that won the first running of the
Indianapolis 500 in 1911.  The card also carries a caption (see below) with
some history of the car.  I had the caption translated into Spanish and
French,for my contacts who speak those languages as their primary language.

Recently I have put up my own Home Page, "Amateur Radio & Funny Stories"
at

http://www.iquest.net/~skremer/

Keeping up with the international tradition of amateur radio, and for the
fun of it,I thought I would try to have the caption translated into as many
languages as possible.

I have already had it translated into Espanol (Spanish), Francais (French)
Dutch,and Deutsch (German)

 So if you write a language other than English, if you could translate the
four following items and E-mail it to me I would appreciate it very much.
Your translation will be converted to HTML, the computer language, so if you
are familiar with HTML and could convert any unique characters to their HTML
code that would be a help.

1.

Carmel, Indiana is a suburb of Indianapolis.  Pictured is #32, the
Marmon Wasp driven by Ray Harroun to victory in the firstIndianapolis
500 auto race in 1911.  Above the steering wheel is the first ever rear-
view mirror on an automobile.

2.

Translation courtesy of: (your name and call sign)

3.

Back to Steve's Home Page.

4.
(The name of your Language, in your Language) (ie. Espanol = Spanish)


Thank you and best 73,
Steve Kremer, KF9ZA
[e-mail]
Carmel, Indiana  USA


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:26 1995
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From: John Culliton <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: TM231 Backup battery
Date: 2 Aug 1995 04:32:10 GMT
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Sounds like another "amateur hack job". Why risk screwing up your radio?
Get the correct battery, (W09-0326-05) less than $15 from Kenwood. Put it
in the proper place, and continue to enjoy your radio knowing you've done
the job correctly! John WF7B




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Don Simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for a good HAM FTP Site
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 06:40:15 -0400
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Can someone give me a couple of good FTP or WWW sites for some ham educational
software.  I am particularly looking for the latest novice/tech question pools
and the latest version of Super Morse for some people I am elmering.

Please Email me any responses.

73
  Sincerely,
     Don Simpson

Security/Fire Systems at "Installer Direct" Pricing!
   http://www.mindspring.com/~ko4ta/alarm.html

  Amateur Radio Callsign:  KO4TA
       Woodstock, Ga.


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John LaMartina)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What is "HAM"??
Date: 2 Aug 1995 09:00:00 -0400
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[e-mail] wrote:
: What does "HAM" stand for????
: Brian

My understanding is that it was short for AMateur

or AMs  eventually pronounced HAM

     -= 73 =-  john  k3nxu   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (NW2L)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I PASSED THE TEST !!!
Date: 2 Aug 1995 11:52:21 -0400
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Hi!

Congratulations on passing your Technician exam!  I will be e-mailing you
CQ magazine's New Ham Welcome Pack, which you should find helpful.
Regarding your question of whether you can take the General theory test
without first passing a code test, the answer is yes.  You may take the
General exam, and if you pass it the Advanced and even Extra (assuming you
pass the Advanced). You get test-element credit that's good for one year,
meaning that you then have one year to pass the necessary code tests (13
for General & Advanced; 20 for Extra). By the way, you don't have to work
your way up the code test ladder. If you pass the 13 wpm exam, it's
assumed that you also can copy 5!

73,
Rich Moseson, NW2L
CQ Online

CQ Communications, Inc. - Publishers of: CQ-The Radio
Amateur's Journal, Popular Communications, Communications
Quarterly, MicroComputer Journal, Electronic Servicing and
Technology, CQ Guides, Pop' Comm Guides, CQ Books and
Videos.  Online ordering now available. Send e-mail for details
and application.


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Al Gerheim)
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Subject: WAC Certificates :-(
Date: 2 Aug 1995 11:57:26 GMT
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Thanks to VK6ACY, I finally finished a 5BWAC.  My XYL's comment on the
certificate says it all:  "What's that, the cover letter?"  Not too
long ago, the WAC certificate was a spiffy little document.  I have
a couple of _QSL_ _cards_ that look nicer than the current edition.
And I wouldn't mind paying a few bucks for a nicer certificate,
either.  Is there any way to petition the IARU to change their
printer?


Al Gerheim, N4QN


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (NW2L)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I PASSED THE TEST !!!
Date: 2 Aug 1995 11:57:32 -0400
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<<(I'm not sure if Gary's comment is 100% accurate, but even if it is,
I don't think many VE teams would let you take, say, element 4A if
you hadn't previously passed element 3B.)>>

Theory exams must be passed in order. You may not take element 4A, for
example, until you've passed elements 2, 3A and 3B.  Your proof is either
in a license held or a valid CSCE (good for one year).  That rule does not
apply to code tests.  You may sit down and take element 1C (20 WPM)
without first passing 1A (5 wpm) or 1B (13 wpm).

73,
Rich Moseson, NW2L
CQ Online (& ARRL VE)

CQ Communications, Inc. - Publishers of: CQ-The Radio
Amateur's Journal, Popular Communications, Communications
Quarterly, MicroComputer Journal, Electronic Servicing and
Technology, CQ Guides, Pop' Comm Guides, CQ Books and
Videos.  Online ordering now available. Send e-mail for details
and application.



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (NW2L)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CQ WW RTTY 1994
Date: 2 Aug 1995 12:10:04 -0400
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Hello, Alex --

In your message, you write:

<<  Help !!!!
  I need result CQ WW RTTY DX CONTEST 1994 !!
  Help me, please !
  From RK9CWA gang (ex UZ9CWA,RV9WCY,RH7E,RK9C,RW9C,RU9C,etc.)!
  >>

The results of the 1994 CQ WW RTTY DX Contest will be published in the
upcoming September, 1995, issue of CQ, which will be out in late August.
Let me assure you, though, that RK9CWA did very well - VERY well.

73,
Rich Moseson, NW2L
CQ Online

CQ Communications, Inc. - Publishers of: CQ-The Radio
Amateur's Journal, Popular Communications, Communications
Quarterly, MicroComputer Journal, Electronic Servicing and
Technology, CQ Guides, Pop' Comm Guides, CQ Books and
Videos.  Online ordering now available. Send e-mail for details
and application.


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:31 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ham Radio and Auto Computers
Date: 2 Aug 95 12:17:53 GMT
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I have a '95 Geo Prism and have used a 50 W, 2 Meter and 440 unit in it with
various antenna and power connections.  Only problem I've ever noticed is that
the
cruise control will disengage when I transmit on 2 Meters.  No big deal.

Also have used a 100W 6 meter rig with no problems in that car.  For what it's
worth, the cigar lighter connection seems adequate for the 50 watt rig with
minimal dimming  of the lights when I key up.  On some of my other cars there
is a
pronounced dimming when I use their lighters as a power source.

As I expect you know, the Prism is essentially a Toyota.

Bill
N3TNZ



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Skaggs)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack selling Outdated Adv. Test book
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...much discussion deleted...

I will be following up with a standalone post, but the newest and freshest
question pools are located at:
oak.oakland.edu
in the directory
pub/hamradio/arrl/infoserver/vec

login as anonymous
with password of your e-mail address.

Gary
______________________________________________________________________________
Gary Skaggs                                             [e-mail]

NOTICE: disclaimer located at:
           http://www.nssl.uoknor.edu/css/Skaggs/disclaimer.html


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DORR DEPEW)
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Subject: Re: Code vs. other ideas
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In article <3vinkc$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Oliver Gross) writes:
 Many people
> seem to be worried that all the Ham bands will
> become a big CB land.  Understand I still support
> the idea of code being required for HF (I hope to
> test for my General in Sept), but I have always
> wondered why all the questions are printed all over
> the place.

> What I mean by better is provideing the material,
> like the books from the ARRL, with the needed info
> and not the question pools.
>
> I may get attacked for this, but I will survive..
>

Oliver,

You raise a VERY good question.  Way back in the "old days" they didn't
publish all the answers.  You actually had to KNOW the theory.  It worked
fine, and it would work fine now, too.

Good luck on your pugrade.

73,

Dorr Depew
N4QIX
>


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DORR DEPEW)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Autopatch in Charleston, SC
Date: 2 Aug 95 13:41:36 EST
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In article <3vir0e$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard W. Clement) writes:
> I will be visiting the Charleston area next week, and I wonder if there
> are any open autopatches, or if someone would be nice enough to use their
> closed patch for the week.  I will be operating on 2 meters.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Rickey/KD4UCB

Hi Rickey,

The ARRL Repeater Directory indicates autopatches for various cities...
I will check about Charleston and let you know.

73,

Dorr Depew



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Skaggs)
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Subject: Wanna know where the question pools are?  Read on...
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Been QRT for a long while, but here is a long delayed echo re: question pools.

I have had very out-of-date question pools posted on the internet (it's a
secret lest I get questions again) but ignore that site!

The latest and greatest question pools are located on the ARRL web/ftp site
that is maintained by the Boston Amateur Radio Club on a University of
Oakland (Michigan) system.

This site is addressed in a periodic post by Michael Tracy.

The site is: oak.oakland.edu
login as anonymous and send your e-mail address as password (prompted).

The pools are located in the directory pub/hamradio/arrl/infoserver/vec.

If you cannot do ftp, then those are available as a mail-echo.  Read Michael's
post and it will explain mail-echo far better than I could.

73 de Gary
______________________________________________________________________________
Gary Skaggs                                             [e-mail]

NOTICE: disclaimer located at:
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From: [e-mail] (Eric Jacksch)
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Subject: VHF/UHF XTAL CW XMITTER
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I'm interested in building a low power crystal controlled CW transmitter for
for the 2m, 220 MHz, or 70cm bands. (radio to operate on one freqency only...
the 220 band would be nice, but I'm interested in the others as well).

The application is a low speed data link involving microcontrollers and
PC's...I want to keep it as small, light, and inexpensive as possible.

I'd appreciate any leads on schematics, plans, kits, etc.

Thanks,
Eric.
VE3 XEJ

(mail replies appreciated)
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joel B Levin)
Subject: Re: I PASSED THE TEST !!!
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In <[e-mail]>,
   Gary Coffman <[e-mail] (Gary Coffman)> wrote:
|In article <3vh13k$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Thomas Sheldon) writes:
|>I still need to take the code.  I took the "Double Jeopardy" jump and
|>passed my Novice and Tech written for a Tech-no code last Thursday.  Can
|>the written General Test element be taken without any code?  (obviously
|>not jumping me in rank, but am I eligible to take the written part and
|>take the 13wpm code test later to get priviledges?)

|AFAIK there is no regulation requiring you to take exam elements
|in any particular order.

In fact, if you do what you suggest, you will receive a certificate
of successful completion of examination (CSCE), good for 365 days,
which will give you a General upgrade if you pass 13wpm during that
time.

(I'm not sure if Gary's comment is 100% accurate, but even if it is,
I don't think many VE teams would let you take, say, element 4A if
you hadn't previously passed element 3B.)

        /JBL  KD1ON

--
Nets: [e-mail]  | Those who cavalierly reject the Theory of
  or [e-mail]| Evolution, as not adequately supported by facts,
pots: [phone]  | seem quite to forget that their own theory is
ARS:  KD1ON          | supported by no facts at all.       --H. Spencer






From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Dillon)
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Subject: Re: Shocking DIA experience.
Date: 2 Aug 1995 14:20:03 -0500
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In <3vm21d$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dana Myers) writes:

  A number of years ago, there was a really cool lightning storm
  in the Los Angeles area on a Saturday night.  The geek that I
  was, I happened to be at work, which was located next to the
  Santa Monica Airport.  There were all kinds of cool lightning,
  like stuff out of Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and I wanted
  to get a better look, so I rode my GSXR up to the top of the
  tallest parking structure nearby (yeah, I knew what the risk
  of doing this was).

           [SNIP]

  Right then, there was this very loud crack and bright flash around
  the entire perimeter of the structure.  There was little, if any,
  thunder.  I'm willing to guess I was less than 10 seconds away
  from beyond struck...

Say Dana, do you like trains as much as you like airplanes?

Sure sounds like you almost became a conductor.

Bob <[e-mail]>




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:37 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Packet Radio
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:21:14 GMT
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I am attempting to send a binary message over a radio link, using a Paccom
modem to store the 9600 baud message from a GPS receiver, then sending as
(I think) a 2400 baud message over the radio link ( a Kenwood VHF unit, not
really built for the job, but it's all I've got). My question is : does anyone
know how I could measure the output rate of this radio - as I said, I think it
transmits at about 2400 baud (or is that bps?!). Any suggestions would be most
welcome, and stories of any experriences with packet radios would be too.
You can email me directly if you like
Peter Stewart
Geodetic Research Laboratory
UNB
Canada
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Seth Taylor)
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Subject: North Jersey Hamfest
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1995 North Jersey Hamfest
Saturday, August 5th  8:00 a.m.
Hosted by Split Rock ARA & West Morris Wireless

                Riverdale Armory
                Just off Route 23 in Riverdale, New Jersey
                  (approx. 1 mile South of Rt 287 & 23 intersection)

        > Indoor Tables
        > 100 tailgating spaces
        > VE Exams
        > 50-50 drawings
        > Lotsa parking

 Talk-in 146.985 (-600 kHz, PL 131.8),
 once close to site QSY to 146.52 Simplex

Seth KC2WE


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Subject: hamradio demographics needed..
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Can anyone point me to a source (old or new) that would list
total number of hamradio operators by state and/or by country?

I already phoned the ARRL and the FCC and came up empty handed.

Thanks,
John, WB3ESS



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai)
Subject: Re: What is "HAM"??
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[e-mail] (Max Sabo) wrote:
-I remember reading a long time ago (before I was a ham) that the term
-"ham" was used so far back that no one knew what it meant anymore.  Could
-be wrong, but I have never heard anything to the contrary.

Best explanation that I heard was:

HAM comes from the initials of Hiram Maxim (the ARRL's founder) if you ingore
the fact that his middle name was Percy :-)

/mike
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\|/     Michael L. Ardai     N1IST             Teradyne ATB, Boston MA
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/|\     [e-mail]          [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:40 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] (Hank Oredson) wrote:

>Frank,
>
>you left off your callsign.
>
>You *are* a ham, right?
>
>Otherwise why would you take part in this discussion ...
>
>And you live right here in the Portland area, where it is almost
>impossible to put up a tower (or any other form of antenna) because
>of rules and regulations promulgated by bigots like yourself.
>
>Please go away and harass some other newsgroup.

Huh?  Go away because he is (or might not be) not a ham?  Just because he
doesn't like towers in his neighborhood?  A bigot?  Did he ever mention that he
didn't like hams? - not that I recall.

He didn't include his call sign?  So what.  Do you have to ID at the end of any
Amateur newsgroup posting?  Or every 10 minutes when posting articles?

If you only want to hear "from your own kind", stay in your on world - stick to
packet.

--
Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Jones, n3jlq)
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Subject: Strange problem with HTX202 and 1 repeater
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Hi
  Wanted to find out if anyone had any idea of what might be the cause of
what I have been observing. I have an HTX202 that I use regularly on a
variety of local repeaters and on packet, simplex, etc, and have had no
problems with it. We routinely vacation in a remote location where there
are several repeaters that use pl tones (none of my local repeaters use
pl tones). On previous trips I have used the HTX202 to call one repeater
that uses a 100 HZ pl tone, but with one repeater, even though I could
receive it adequately, I could not bring it up with the 202, even though I
could use it with 3 other radios (2 Alincos and a Yaesu). I assumed that the
100 HZ tone in the 202 must be off freq or low in amplitude, but when I
experimented using tone squelch using at least 4 different radios, it worked
fine in all cases. I assumed then that I must just have a marginal signal into
the repeater in question. This trip, however, I put up an improved antenna, so
that I get full scale reception on this repeater. Now, I can bring up the
repeater with the 202, but no audio goes through the repeater, ie the repeater
just has a dead carrier when I am talking! Again, the repeater works fine
when I access it via one of my other radios, and I can still work other
repeaters and other radios in tone squelch mode fine using the 202. I seem
to have ruled out a problem with my 202, and I also seem to have ruled out
a problem with the repeater. I am still assuming that the problem involves
the 100 HZ pl tone, but can't understand why the repeater seemingly hears
the tone enough to bring up the repeater, but not enough to allow audio
through. The only thing I can think of is that the deviation may be a bit wide
on my HTX202 and the bandwidth on the repeater may be on the narrow side, and
all the other radios I experimented with are intermediate, ie I have seen
situations where a wide deviation transmitter sounds like a dead carrier
when received with a narrow band receiver. I have been told that the repeater
in question was using pl tones because it was having intermod problems, so it
seems possible that the repeater op narrowed down the bandwidth to avoid
interferrence. I have observed packet signals from the 202 on a scope, and the
audio does not seem to be over-modulated, but I don't have access to a
deviation meter.
   Does any of this make any sense? I intend to eventually contact the
repeater op and see if he can monitor my signal, and intend to try to
determine if the deviation of the 202 is excessive by tuning through
the 202's signal with a narrow band receiver, but wanted to see if
anyone had any other ideas that I might investigate?


Thanks in advance, de N3JLQ       [e-mail]






From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas C Sefranek)
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Subject: Re: Felons, ex- and otherwise
Date: 2 Aug 1995 15:22:19 -0400
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In article <3vc4le$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Derek Wills) writes:
>   Why should a bank robber or murderer not be welcome to the
>ranks of amateur radio, anyway?   We already have Republicans
>and NRA members, and even lawyers are allowed licenses.   What
>do these other aspects of their lives have to do with their right
>to contest, ragchew or join RACES if they have passed the relevant
>license exams?
>
>Derek Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
>Department of Astronomy, University of Texas,
>Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
>[e-mail]


Now Derek,
          I've told you a million times, don't exagerate!

The ability to "do" CW as you well know, IS to salute the flag, eat apple
pie, kiss mother's picture, and be a fine upstanding LAW abiding citizen!

To add an HT on one's hip IS to add police powers and privilages,
therefore DIS-allowing law abiding, pie eating, mother kissing...

I KNOW you have posed the equivalent... CW = Good,  FM = Bad.

Our hobby makes room for all, including the criminals... US!!!

As for lawers...  you don't have to be a felon to become one,
but it helps finding the clients when you ARE one!

With my blue striped outfit on...

Tom

--
Thomas C. J. Sefranek  WA1RHP  Work: 508-425-2200  Home: 508-425-6672


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
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Subject: Re: Micor dtmf mods?
Date: 2 Aug 1995 16:18:39 GMT
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In article <3vb5uo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Smitty) wrote:
> Hello,  I just recently purchased a dtmf mic for my UHF Motorola
> Micor. Can someone tell me the mod that needs to be done to the radio
> so the dtmf will work?

The standard Moto touchtone microphone won't function properly on a
Micor - the PTT circuit is too lightweight.  The symptom is that
the radio doesn't key when a button is pushed on the microphone.

However, since the mic element overrides the touchtone generator when
the PTT button is pushed, you can't just squeeze the pickle and punch
the buttons.

What worked for me was to press the PTT button, then push the first
tone button and release the PTT.  The delay circuit in the microphone
does have enough to hold the radio keyed, so you can then dial the rest
of the sequence.

Just to confuse things, there are several models of the Moto touchtone
microphone.  Most are cable differences, some have different wiring in
the ptt circuit.  You can change one to another by fiddling some part
values on the circuit board inside the mic.  There are other options
as well.  You really need a manual for this.

Or upgrade to a Syntor or later radio.

Good Luck!
        - Brian


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:44 1995
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Subject: Re: What is "HAM"??
Date: 2 Aug 1995 16:30:40 GMT
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In article <3vkoof$[e-mail]>,
Max Sabo <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I remember reading a long time ago (before I was a ham) that the term
>"ham" was used so far back that no one knew what it meant anymore.  Could
>be wrong, but I have never heard anything to the contrary.

Hi Max, you must not have been reading the newsgroup for very long. A
couple of times a year, this discussion runs for a couple of weeks.

It has been established by two independent researchers who write/draw
for newspapers, that "ham" is a shortened cockney pronunciation of
the word "'amateur" and is thought to have originally come from the
theatre (not theater, you dummies :-). Amateur actors were know as
hams and thus the expression, "hamming it up", applied to overacting.
It was logical to assign the term to a radio amateur as well since
many of the English hams called themselves "hamateur radio operators".
:-)  73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX036
ARLX036 2 meter record claimed

ZCZC AX06
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 36  ARLX036
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  August 2, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX036
ARLX036 2 meter record claimed

An overwater distance record on the 144 MHz band has apparently been
set between Hawaii and Washington state.

On July 1, 1995, Paul Lieb, KH6HME, on Mauna Loa volcano, worked Jim
Costello, W7FI, in Woodinville, Washington, near Seattle, a distance
of 4333 kilometers.  The previous record was set between KH6HME and
XE2GXQ, on Baja California, a distance of 4276 km, on July 13, 1989.

This tropospheric ducting opening began June 28 when the 144.170 MHz
beacon on Mauna Loa, 13,680 feet (4170 meters) above sea level, was
heard on the West Coast, according to QST VHF columnist Emil Pocock,
W3EP, who called the next three days ''the most widespread
Hawaii-to-West Coast opening ever recorded.''

In the early evening of June 30, KH6HME worked WI7Z and N7KSI, both
near the coast of Washington, the first ever 144-MHz contacts from
that state to Hawaii, and then worked N7AVK, in Oregon.  The
breakthrough came the next day, at 0600, when KH6HME worked several
Seattle-area stations, beginning with W7FI, and was heard by VE7SKA,
who could not make himself heard in Hawaii.

Using computer software, the various Seattle-area stations
calculated who was the farthest from Mauna Loa, and the winner was
W7FI.  The record-setting distance was 58 km farther than the
six-year-old record.

Unfortunately, the conditions did not extend to higher bands; KH6HME
made 432 MHz contacts with K6QXY and W6SYA, but no others were
completed.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:46 1995
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX035
ARLX035 ARRL HQ staffer honored

ZCZC AX05
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 35  ARLX035
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  August 2, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX035
ARLX035 ARRL HQ staffer honored

ARRL Senior Laboratory Engineer Zack Lau, KH6CP, has received the
John T. Chambers Award of the Central States VHF Society, for
contributions to VHF.

The award was begun in 1970 when it was given to John T. Chambers,
W6NLZ, for his work with KH6UK in the 1960s proving the existence of
West Coast to Hawaii tropospheric ducting.  (Chambers has since died
and his call sign reissued).

Lau, 32, is the 23rd recipient of the Chambers Award since its
inception.  A graduate of the University of Pennsylvania, he has
been licensed since 1978 and an ARRL staff member for nine years;
he's senior laboratory engineer.

Lau received the award at the Society's 29th conference in Colorado
Springs on July 29.  He was cited not only for his investigative
work on the VHF and UHF bands but also for his help, as an ARRL
staff member, in fielding questions from other amateurs.  KH6CP/1
is a mainstay in VHF and UHF contests as well, often appearing from
New England hilltops.  Zack Lau also is widely known for his
low-power HF accomplishments, including a number of ARRL Sweepstakes
awards in the under-5-watt category.

In 1993, the most recent year for which statistics are available,
the Central States VHF Society had 267 members in 39 states and
three foreign countries.  The Society was founded in 1967.  Each
year, the ARRL publishes the Proceedings of the Society's
conference; the 1995 Proceedings are now available from ARRL
Headquarters.
NNNN
/EX



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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX037
ARLX037 3 hams die in LA shooting

ZCZC AX07
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 37  ARLX037
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  August 2, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX037
ARLX037 3 hams die in LA shooting

Three Los Angeles-area amateurs are dead following a shooting
rampage at a city facility.

A disgruntled radio repairman for the City of Los Angeles on July 19
is charged with killing four men, all supervisors at the city's
Piper Tech Center.  The three amateurs killed were Marty Wakefield,
N6BZ, 57, of Venice; Neil Carpenter, KA6QIB, 61, of Palmdale; and
Anthony Gain, W6KFN, 78, of Montebello.  A fourth supervisor who was
killed in the attack, James Walton, was not a ham.

Gain, an Advanced class licensee, was trustee for a repeater
operated by the city.  He had chosen to continue to work rather than
retire, said a coworker, Rob Hanson, AA6BN.  Wakefield was an active
DXer and until May had been an ARRL volunteer examiner.  Carpenter
held an Advanced class license.  All four shooting victims also held
FCC General Radiotelephone licenses.

All three amateur-licensed victims were active in the Los Angeles
City Amateur Radio Volunteers, a club aimed at helping city
employees become licensed, with an eye toward emergency preparedness
functions, Hanson said.

The alleged killer has been charged with four counts of murder.
NNNN
/EX



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[e-mail] (Allen Miller) wrote:

>As all of this is going on, I am getting a great view of the departing
>traffic.  Watched United DC10, A340, 737s, Beech 1900........


GREAT STORY BUT UNITED DOES NOT HAVE ANY A340's!


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Wittich)
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In article <[e-mail]>, jkbe@zeus (John_Bednar) writes:
|>
|> Can anyone point me to a source (old or new) that would list
|> total number of hamradio operators by state and/or by country?
|>
|> I already phoned the ARRL and the FCC and came up empty handed.
|>
|> Thanks,
|> John, WB3ESS
|>

Seems like I have seen this information on one of the pages in the
front of the Call Book.  I believe it is in both the North American
and International books.

73, Jeff - AC4ZO
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill.Nadzam)
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I found this some time ago, I am not the author, just seem to have kept
it for the past 6 months.


========================================================================

Here is an interesting article I picked up from a local BBS.  Seems
like the best explanation I have heard regarding the name "Ham".
Guess if some one really wanted to check it out they could go to
the Congressional Record for the dates listed as well as newspapers
of the time.  Anyway it sounds good.  Hope you enjoy.

                    WHY RADIO AMATEURS ARE CALLED "HAMS"
                     From Florida Skip Magazine - 1959

Have you ever wondered why radio amateurs are called "HAMS"?  Well,
it goes like this: The word "HAM" as applied to 1908 was the station
CALL of the first amateur wireless stations operated by some amateurs
of the Harvard Radio Club. They were ALBERT S. HYMAN, BOB ALMY and
POOGIE MURRAY.

At first they called their station "HYMAN-ALMY-MURRAY".  Tapping out
such a long name in code soon became tiresome and called for a revision.
They changed it to "HY-AL-MU", using the first two letters of each of
their names.  Early in 1901 some confusion resulted between signals
from amateur wireless station "HYALMU" and a Mexican ship named
"HYALMO".
They then decided to use only the first letter of each name, and the
station CALL became "HAM".

In the early pioneer days of unregulated radio amateur operators
picked their own frequency and call-letters.  Then, as now, some
amateurs
had better signals than commercial stations.  The resulting interference
came to the attention of congressional committees in Washington and
Congress gave much time to proposed legislation designed to critically
limit amateur radio activity.  In 1911, ALBERT HYMAN chose the
controversial WIRELESS REGULATION BILL as the topic for his Thesis at
Harvard.  His instructor insisted that a copy be sent to Senator
DAVID I. WALSH, a member of one of the committees hearing the Bill.
The Senator was so impressed with the thesis is that he asked HYMAN
to appear before the committee.  ALBERT HYMAN took the stand and
described how the little station was built and almost cried when he told
the crowded committee room that if the BILL went through that they
would have to close down the station because they could not afford the
license fees and all the other requirements which the BILL imposed on
amateur stations.

Congressional debate began on the WIRELESS REGULATION BILL and
little station "HAM" became the symbol for all the little amateur
stations in the country crying to be saved from the menace and greed of
the big commercial stations who didn't want them around.  The BILL
finally got to the floor of Congress and every speaker talked about
the "...poor little station HAM".  That's how it all started.  You will
find the whole story in the Congressional Record.

Nation-wide publicity associated station "HAM" with amateur radio
operators.  From that day to this, and probably until the end of time in
radio
                        an amateur is a "HAM"

[e-mail]   (Former K1SWL)
=======================================================================

------------------------------------------------
Name: Bill.Nadzam
E-mail: [e-mail] (Bill.Nadzam)
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (WA3AFS)
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Subject: Re: Icom IC-2SRA owners please help
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I have had my IC-2SRA for a couple of years now...

Basically, I like the radio/scanner.

Some comments:
   - 2 radios = larger/faster battery drain (You can shut off either radio
to same power if you desire)

  - Sensitivity appears pretty good on the scanner side, but seems to
suffer more from intermod than my other scanner.

  - No need for repair so far....

  - Always thought about putting a long wire antenna on the scanner side
to see if there would be any improvement, but kind of felt it would be
useless.  The scanner antenna appears to just be about an 8 inch vertical
that plugs in.  (Not a coaxial type input)

73 and good luck

               - Bruce  (WA3AFS)

Bruce Goldstein,  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:53 1995
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I am trying to locate KA1DW.
I got his name and callsign from the Ham Trader.
He is listed as Gary E. Leonard R#1 Box 1 Piper Rd in Ashby MA in the
callsign data base.
The problem is the telephone people do not have a listing for him.
Can someone on the net give me a little aid and assistance?
Thanks
Roland WF4P
[e-mail] or [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Maynard, WY2G)
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Greetings,
     I was excited to work ZK1PN on 40M CW the other morning.  I got his
QSL info as via OH5UQ.  Do you have a foreign callbook with his address?
I would very much appreciate this information, I don't have a callbook.
TNX es 73, WY2G

MAYNARD @ URIACC.URI.EDU


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From: [e-mail] (Frank R. Smith)
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In article <3vc4le$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Derek Wills) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Derek Wills)
>Subject: Felons, ex- and otherwise
>Date: 29 Jul 1995 01:59:10 GMT

>   Why should a bank robber or murderer not be welcome to the
>ranks of amateur radio, anyway?   We already have Republicans
>and NRA members, and even lawyers are allowed licenses.   What
>do these other aspects of their lives have to do with their right
>to contest, ragchew or join RACES if they have passed the relevant
>license exams?

>Derek Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
>Department of Astronomy, University of Texas,
>Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
>[e-mail]


I recently heard the expression "DX Criminals" from an important DX friend who
lives in Hong Kong.  I would never number Republicans, or even Democrats, into
such a rank, but instead ask who wouldn't agree with applying the expression
liberally to the List Lizzards and Net Nurds that hang out on 14,247?  The
epitome of DX crime took place today when the Head Man WA4JTK had the audicity
to beg and plead with TI9JJP to give him 6-7 blank QSL cards from TI9 for him
to fill out himself and give to fellow "DX" net control friends!!!  Anyone
listening in could tell that the DX station was embarrassed by such a shameful
request.  With there being only 2 other net controllers present at the time
who might have worked the TI9 station, then why does this guy need seven blank
cards? The Alanistas themselves who heard this inane exercise in groveling
must be ashamed to receive QSL cards in this fashion.  The TI9 station
handled the situation rather well:  he politely excused himself for dinner
then QSY'ed to a regular DX frequency.

This kind of activity has indeed served to cheapen, degrade and pollute the
DXCC program - so maybe with all the rumblings about an overhaul of the DXCC
program, there's hope for reform.

73
Frank Smith
AH0W/W7



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:56 1995
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Ground score!
I found an antenna rotor, but have little not no info.

Does anyone have/use/know about the channel master crown.  I got
it from someone who was reroofing  --complete with tripod for the
roof, but I do not have the controler, and I do not even know the
voltage it needs (my guess is 12v).  All I can see are the three
wires used to control it.

It is real old, but fits nicely into me new budget;  it was free.

..any help or references appreciated.


Dan Drumm
N9VOX (general is comming real soon now, but I like this call!)
[e-mail]

                                Wishing you and extra hour each day.



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:54:57 1995
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Wittich) wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>, jkbe@zeus (John_Bednar) writes:
>|>
>|> Can anyone point me to a source (old or new) that would list
>|> total number of hamradio operators by state and/or by country?
>|>
>|> I already phoned the ARRL and the FCC and came up empty handed.
>|>
>|> Thanks,
>|> John, WB3ESS
>|>
>
>Seems like I have seen this information on one of the pages in the
>front of the Call Book.  I believe it is in both the North American
>and International books.

This information should also be in the 1995 Ham Radio Almanac which is
published by CQ.  The last time I looked they even had a breakdown of the
number of Amateurs in each US zip code area!

73,

Robert Barron, KA5WSS
[e-mail]



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  "** ATTENTION EPA/SNJ REPEATER OWNER **"

Date: Tue, 01 Aug 95 12:57:09 EDT
Subject: ** ATTENTION EPA/SNJ REPEATER OWNER **
From: [e-mail] (Bob Reed)
Message-ID: <10463_WT3V> (Toms River, NJ)
To: qst@nebbs

To ALL Repeater Owners and
Club Officers Sponsoring Repeaters

Over the last year there has been an attempt bby several
 repeater owners in this area to establish a new amateur
 repeater coordination council covering the Eastern
Pennsylvania and Southern New Jersey ARRL sections.
The action undertaken by a group called the Amateur
Repeater Coordination Council of EPA/SNJ has come about
by the virtual abandonment of responciblity by TPARC, the
Philadelphia Area Repeater Council, which had been
representing the area for the past 10 years.

From the outstart of this action to create a new coordination
council I opposed the activity on the basis that TPARC was the
FCC recognized entity for this area. Regardless of what abilities
and backing ARCC had, it did not obtain by what the FCC had
previously stated to the ARRL and others the proper transfer of
authority to represent the area.

Over the last several months I have had several telephone
conversations with Gerry Smedley WB3BLG to spur some activity
by TPARC to perform its job and lately to find out why TPARC would
not work with ARCC for the benefit of everyone in the area.

It is now safe to say that the people making up TPARC are not
functioning as a repeater council and have avoided any meetings
with ARCC to discuss the few disagreements that they say exist.
Over the last 3 months TPARC has agreed to meet and for each
date has not announced where they would like to meet.

It appears that TPARC is deliberately avoiding a meeting.

Last month it was agreed that TPARC would contact ARCC to
discuss the remaining differences of opinion. Gerry Smedley
was offered the chance to pick the time and place but this has
not happened. Gerry asked and I agreed to act as a mediator
for this meeting. Everything has been done by all parties to
give ultimate courtesy and appreciation to TPARC but they have
avoided any discussions and have not performed their tasks
now for almost a year.

ARCC has agreed to sit the 5 band coordinators from TPARC in
the same position within ARCC to ensure continuity. I have
suggested and recieves a warm reception to allowing them to sit
in those offices for 2 years before elections were held for those
offices. TPARC's current coorinators would have the same
authority as before but now be accountable to the FM repeater
community under a set of public by-laws.

ARCC has also agreed to remove its decision to allow 1 MHZ
repeaters if that is TPARC's stumbling block.

Conversations with TPARC yield agreements as to their knowing
that they need to work with the FM community but at this point the
5 people who make up TPARC have held the area repeater owners
from any protection afforded by coordination by failing to act.

To allow 5 people to hold this area at bay CAN NOT be allowed
to continue.

There are steps now in process to deal directlt with the FCC and
ARRL to determine how to effect a solution to the problem. In the
mean time I am publicly announcing my support of ARCC as the
bonafide area coordinator for this area and will be working for their
approval by the FCC.

I urge anyone else involved with repeaters to contact Gene
Pressler W3ZXV at [phone] and volunteer your support.

73, Bob, WB2DIN



-
  ROBERT REED, WB2DIN           [e-mail]
  538 Brewers Bridge Road
  Jackson, New Jersey 08527      PACKET  WB2DIN@WT3V



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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 02/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 02 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 03 AUGUST - 05 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  74/11

GOES satellite data for 01 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   9.4E+04
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 3.3E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A1.0
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             03 Aug             04 Aug             05 Aug
Activity     very low           very low           very low
Fadeouts     none expected      none expected      none expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 03 Aug:  75/13

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 01 Aug
    Learmonth        5  2122 1221
    Fredericksburg   5                           5
    Planetary        5                           5

Observed Kp for 01 Aug: 2113 1211
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
03 Aug     5    quiet
04 Aug     5    quiet
05 Aug     5    quiet

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3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
02 Aug      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
03 Aug      normal         normal         normal
04 Aug      normal         normal         normal
05 Aug      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
02 Aug    14    near predicted monthly values with night-time Spread F.

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
03 Aug    15    near predicted monthly values with night-time spread F.
04 Aug    15    near predicted monthly values with night-time spread F.
05 Aug    15    near predicted monthly values with night-time spread F.
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: daylight depressions of 20%
Townsville MUFs: daylight depressions of 20%
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values with night-time spread F.

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Takao KUMAGAI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 2nd Asia-Pacific Sprint
Date: 3 Aug 95 01:15:46 GMT
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Hi all

We AP-Sprint contest committee invite you to join our 2nd run
of the 2hour sprint contest.
We expect to have a lots of activity in Asia-Pacific countries
in this 2nd run.

        ---------
        Tack Kumagai JE1CKA/KH0AM
        TEL:[phone], FAX:[phone]
        Internet: [e-mail]

        ========================================
                2nd Asia-Pacific Sprint
               -------------------------

Objective:   "To work as many stations within the defined Asia-Pacific region
              within the 2 hour time limit. Only QSO's with at least one or
              both of the stations being from the Asia-Pacific region
              count for points"

Winners:    Each DXCC country, continent plus one overall.
            Winners receive a cool Asia-Pacific contest T-shirt.

Date:  Sunday Sept 30 1995
Time:  1230-1430 UTC

1.  Bands  20m & 40m
2.  Mode  CW
3.  Power limit: 150W output
4.  Category: Single op, Single radio.
5.  Exchange:  RST + Serial # beginning with 001
6.  Points: 1 point/QSO with each station in Asia Pacific region.
7   Dupes:  Same station can be worked only once on the same band.
8.  Mults:  1 mult/prefix (once only - not once per band) (WPX rules)
9.  CQ'er QSY's at least 1 KHZ after a QSO.   <-  IMPORTANT!
10. Final Score:  Points x Mults


Asia-Pacific countries for this contest:
(coutries from Asia side Pacific Rim to 180 degrees)

3D2(all), 1S/9M0, 9M2, 9M6/8, 9V, BV, BY, C2, DU, FK8, FW, H4, HL,
HS, JA, JD1/Ogasawara, JD1/Marcus, KC6 (Belau), KH2, KH9, KH0, P29,
T2, T30, T33, UA0, V6/KC6, V7, V85, VK1-9(all except VK9X & VK9Y),
VS6, XU, XV/3W, XX9, YB, YJ, ZL(all except Chatham & Kermadec),

Results posted to: [e-mail], [e-mail] and
                   (hopefully) NCJ.

Rules and results will be distributed by the automated info-server.
Send a request mail to: [e-mail]
with the command in the body:  #get ap-sprint.rule

All logs must contain complete QSO information plus a summary sheet
and your T-shirt size.

Japan Logs:

Post:   Tack Kumagai, P O BOX 22,
        Mitaka, Tokyo 181, JAPAN

Outside Japan:

Post:   James Brooks
        15 Balmoral Road #03-08
        Singapore 1025  SINGAPORE


Log deadline:  E-mail: 72 hours, Post: Postmarked by Oct 8

        Asia-Pacific Contest Electronic Log Submissions
      ==================================================

Will gladly accept the electronic logs by email!
The log & summary sheet must be in the ASCII format. (No binary
files please)

Please send your Elec-log to: [e-mail]

The sample elec-log will be obtained by
9V1YC <[e-mail]>
or
JE1CKA <[e-mail]>

Will see you there.


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:03 1995
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From: jim kinney <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HELP, Need Canadian Stamps
Date: 3 Aug 1995 01:29:40 GMT
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I am looking for a source of Canadian stamps to use on SASE's.  I am
ignorant of Canadian postal rates and currency exchange rates.  If you
can help, please respond to [e-mail].

Thank You

Jim Kinney WB7ECS
Huntsville, AL



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:07 1995
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Subject: IPS Solar and Geophysical Summary -  July 95
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SUBJ: IPS MONTHLY REPORT - JULY 1995
ISSUED BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.

1.     SOLAR-GEOPHYSICAL INDICES

                 SOLAR  LEARMONTH     AUST
Day         10 cm flux   A-INDEX   T INDEX
01 Jul           79      11          35
02 Jul           78       3          25
03 Jul           78       6          29
04 Jul           81       7          33
05 Jul           80       4          28
06 Jul           80       3          27
07 Jul           81       3          28
08 Jul           81       5          14
09 Jul           80       7          26
10 Jul           77       3          21
11 Jul           76       3          27
12 Jul           74       4          14
13 Jul           73       6          21
14 Jul           74       5          22
15 Jul           74       6          30
16 Jul           73      21          24
17 Jul           72      20          42
18 Jul           72      12          24
19 Jul           71       8          17
20 Jul           70       8           8
21 Jul           69       5          15
22 Jul           69       7          18
23 Jul           68       8          19
24 Jul           69      19          13
25 Jul           70       5           4
26 Jul           69       5          16
27 Jul           70       5          15
28 Jul           70       5          13
29 Jul           70       5          20
30 Jul           70       7          23
31 Jul           71       5          21


              10 CM  FLUX  SUNSPOT  NUMBER   A-INDEX     AUST    FLARES
                                            LEARMONTH    T  INDEX
                Monthly  Monthly    Yearly   Monthly     Monthly   >M1.0
Month           Average  Average   Average   Average     Average
Jul         94     80.5     35.0      28.5      13.1        31.1       1
Aug         94     76.1     22.8      26.8       8.8        23.5       8
Sep         94     78.6     26.7      26.6       9.6        24.8       0
Oct         94     87.7     43.8      26.5      15.0        12.1       1
Nov         94     80.9     18.0      26.3      10.5        25.3       0
Dec         94     84.1     26.7      25.7      10.5        24.5       1
Jan         95     82.7     23.8      24.3      10.9        18.6       0
Feb         95     85.6     29.9     *23.2      11.0        30.3       4
Mar         95     85.1     31.1     *22.4      11.7        28.0       1
Apr         95     77.7     14.6     *20.7      10.9        24.0       2
May         95     75.6     14.7     *19.2      13.7        15.4       0
Jun         95     75.7     15.8     *18.4       8.3        24.0       0
Jul         95     73.8     14.6     *17.3       7.1        21.7       0

IPS Predicted (Yearly Smoothed) Sunspot Numbers (*)

Latest T-Indices for IPS Advanced Stand-Alone Prediction System-(ASAPS)
Last update: July 1995 Solar-Geophysical Summary

     Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
1990 152 128 135 129 127 138 137 138 142 137 123 133
1991 143 176 170 163 136 121 141 124 135 130 121 130
1992 152 173 156 134  96  80  89  66  67  66  84  89
1993 *75 *77 *79  64 *63 *65  62 *49 *37 *40  34  44
1994  58  44  44  26  18 *17 *23 *16  19  20 *20 *23
1995 *23 *33 *24 *14  *5  15^ 14^ 12^ 10^  9^  9^  8^
1996   8^  8^  7^  7^  7^  8^  8^  9^ 10^ 11^ 13^ 14^
1997  16^ 18^ 20^ 23^ 25^ 29^ 32^ 37^ 42^ 48^ 53^ 59^

* = New data. T index may have changed.
^ = IPS predicted T index

Asterisk indicates predicted value.

The IPS Monthly T-index is derived from the observed monthly median values
of foF2 for each hour at up to 40 ionospheric stations worldwide.
These records become available from IPS stations in Australia very soon after
each month, but the majority are received up to one year later.
This means that the exact observed value of the monthly T-index is not
available until some months later.

The predicted smoothed monthly T-indices are computed by using a statistical
analysis of the observed monthly T-indices for all solar cycles since 1938.
The IPS T-indices may not be updated each month but only when sufficient new
data becomes available.

===============================================================================

2.     FLARES AND SHORT-WAVE FADEOUTS - NONE

2.1     Comments on Solar Activity.

Solar activity was at predominately very low levels during the month
of July.

===============================================================================

3.     GEOMAGNETIC DISTURBANCES              (for Learmonth, WA)

DATE                     COMMENTS
16 Jul 95: quiet to unsettled until 12UT, and at active to minor
           storm levels thereafter.
17 Jul 95: unsettled with active conditions 09-12 UT and 15-18 UT.
           Minor storm levels 12-15 UT.
24 Jul 95: active to minor storm overnight. Sudden impulse observed
           near 03 UT.


Two recurrent disturbance intervals were observed on  16-17 July
and 24 July. The peak A index for the month was 21 observed on 16 July.

During the last few months, previously strong patterns of recurrent
geomagnetic activity have weakened. This may indicate the approach
of solar minimum as such weakening has been the pattern during previous
solar cycles.

===============================================================================

4.     IONOSPHERIC DISTURBANCES              (for Sydney)

DATE         T     MUFs
    4 July:     spread F local night
  6-7 July:     spread F local night
   10 July:     spread F local night
19-20 July:     spread F local night
   25 July:     depressed 15-20% during interval 00-05UT. Spread F observed
                during local night hours.

Only one ionospheric depression was observed this month, on 25 July.
Depressions of up to 30% were observed at Hobart during the period
00-06UT on the 25 July. Northern Australian region stations
(Townsville and Darwin) were mostly unaffected by the disturbance
and remained near predicted monthly values during this interval.

===============================================================================

5.     IPS WARNINGS AND ALERTS ISSUED

WARNINGS:
HF RADIO WARNING:
ISSUE DATE      NO       BEGIN           END
25 Jul 95       21      25 Jul 95       25 Jul 95


GEOMAGNETIC WARNING:
ISSUE DATE      NO       BEGIN           END
14 Jul 95       18      15 Jul 95       17 Jul 95
21 Jul 95       19      23 Jul 95       23 Jul 95

ALERTS:
25 Jul 95: Magnetic

SWF ALERTS AND DURATION REPORTS
DATE    SWF BEGIN-END (UT)
NONE.
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tel: [phone]                | fax: [phone]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Terrance King)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ham radio maritime mobile net freqs
Date: 3 Aug 1995 02:10:29 GMT
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I have surfed the net and not found a list of ham radio maritime mobile net
freqs and times. Can anyone help? Thanks.

Terry King


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (mouse)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to UnZip *.zip
Date: 3 Aug 1995 02:36:20 GMT
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In article <3vjeqb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (James L. McKiel) says:
>
>I have reciently downloaded some files for studying for the General
>Ham test.  These files were in *.zip format. The only executable
>I have to UnZip these is PKUNZIP. This program will not work. It says
>that it doesn't know how to handle the files, or something like that.
>Does anyone have or know where I can get a program which works to
>unzip these?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim
>KD4IHG

You should have the directory written in your path (the one in the autoexec.bat file)
In your case it would be SET PATH= C:\WINDOWS;C:\;C:\DOS; C:\(whatever the directory of your PKUNZIP is in).
Thats all I can figure. If that does not work, then redownload the file from an FTP site.
They all should have it.


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (mouse)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RFI and biomedical equipment
Date: 3 Aug 1995 02:39:53 GMT
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I need some feedback as to where I can get any information off the net
regarding RFI and biomedical equipment. This includes Ham gear,
cell phones, etc. Any help will be appreciated!!


Mouse


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:09 1995
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From: wf0a@southwind (Richard Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: MSYS PACKET BBS -- Forwarding via the Internet
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 02:54:46 GMT
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I would like to experiment with forwarding packet BBS messages via the
internet. I use the MSYS packet BBS software and have discovered that
if I take all  the messages in my mail.bak file and merge them all
into a giant text file that I can then include that file as an
attachment to an E-Mail message. When I receive the E-Mail message the
text file is saved to my harddrive. I then use the import command in
MSYS to import all the messages into the BBS. It really works great. I
operate the WF0A bbs which supports the Wichita, Kansas area. At the
current time there is no good path out of the Wichita area and there
are no HF links available. I would appreciate any comments and
suggestions on this matter.

Richard [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Sean E. Kutzko)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Date: 3 Aug 1995 03:33:31 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Dana Myers) says:

>In article <[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>[e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus) writes:
>>>[e-mail] writes:
>>
>>>>      I think that the real question should be:  "Do we as as a community
>>>> of licensed and law abiding radio amateurs want to see ex-felons granted
>>>> radio licenses?"
>>
>>>  If the person has done their time and is attempting to reassimilate back
>>>  into society, why would you want to stop them?
>>


Exactly. They've paid the price for their actions. Supposedly, the slate
is clean.


>>One  wonders how having "done their time" would make up for their violent
>>acts against society such as murder, rape, armed robbery... These
>>type of folks should be kept off of the air.
>
>Why?  What is the correlation between a past criminal conviction
>and poor radio traits?
>
>By the way, I know at least one amateur personally that has shot
>someone to death in the past.  He's a fine ham.  So what?

So, let me get this straight...there are people who want to restrict
ex-felons from ham radio..the same hobby that may of us proclaim as
wholesome, educational, honorable, and worthwhile. Seems to me ex-felons
(or even ones currently serving time) could actually BENEFIT from some of
the services, skills and ideolgies we have to offer.

This thread is one of the biggest wastes of bandwidth I've seen in a long
time.

Sean
--
Sean Kutzko                                          Amateur Radio: KF9PL
Urbana, IL                                           DXCC:304 worked/297 cfmd

                   "All graceful instruments are known..."


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:11 1995
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From: John Dunbar <[e-mail]>
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Hello,

My name is John Dunbar (KE6WBO).  I'm into a whole host of things, but for this
group, electronics and rockets are what I wish to emphasize.  I need some
answers to the following questions:

1) I need to find out a phone number or contact for repeaters in the 434Mhz
range in the region near Gerlach NV area ( Black Rock dry lake bed )?

2) What would be the funtional range of the signal once it is repeated, and
sent on its way (range of reachable states)?

I will be attending LDRS next week ( Aug 10 - Aug 14 ).  This is a national
meet of High Powered Rocket flyers.  At this meet, I will fly an amateur
TV, broadcasting on the 434Mhz frequency.  I will be downlinking real time
telemetry from the vehicle which should achieve an altitude ~23k feet.  I would
like to have a repeater, boost my signal so that hams in other regions of
country, might view the flight.  I you would please get back to me with
the above info, I would be very happy!  I don't have a home rig, so phone
numbers and email addresses would do.

John

--
John Dunbar



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CQ WW RTTY 1994
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 04:47:00 GMT
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[e-mail] (NW2L) wrote:

>The results of the 1994 CQ WW RTTY DX Contest will be published in the
>upcoming September, 1995, issue of CQ, which will be out in late August.

>73,
>Rich Moseson, NW2L
>CQ Online

Rich,

Perhaps you discussed this before and I missed it, but I'm curious as
to why the results took so long to publish. Seems that CQWW RTTY
should be a lot easier to tally than the "big" contests. Yet we're
looking at nearly a year between contest and publication now. I'm not
trying to be overly critical, just curious.

73,
Doug Hall, KF4KL




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard H. Brown Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Needed: Data on Uncle Sam's "spambot"
Date: 3 Aug 1995 05:20:29 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mad Max) says:
>
>
>G'day.
>
>I'm looking for information on the VOA shortwave "spambot" that the
>American government continues to run. I want to give a listen to the
>stupidity for myself. Please email, although I'll lurk to get the info,
>mates.
>Thanks in advance, mates.
>
Get a copy of the 1994 World Radio & TV Handbook, which lists
all the major Shortwave broadcasters with freq's and times.
To start you off VOA op's on 5,995, 6,040, 6,120 All KHZ.

RHB ([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for mods: FT-530
Date: 3 Aug 1995 06:07:44 GMT
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I have a Yaesu FT-530 HT and am wondering what mods are available for it.
It was purchased about 2 months ago (June 95) and the prefix for the
serial number is 4J381xxx.
If someone can inform me if any mods can be done on this radio and where I
can find these mods, please let me know.
Thanks!
Jerry Wang
KE6UUX



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:14 1995
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Is there a FAQ for this newsgroup?  I've been reading for about a month
and never came across a FAQ.  Maybe someone will volunteer to create one?
Jerry
KE6UUX



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:15 1995
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From: [e-mail]  (Mickey McInnis)
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus) writes:
>
>In article <3va5fm$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>  >      I think that the real question should be:  "Do we as as a community
>  > of licensed and law abiding radio amateurs want to see ex-felons granted
>  > radio licenses?"
>
>  > Bill Pasternak, WA6ITF
>  >   Newsline - On Line

Well, yes, why not?  If they've served their time and been released from
jail.  Let them try to be productive members of society?

>
>  Well, the answer is... Yes. They are Ex (as in no longer) Felons.
>  A large percentage of people are not ex-felons only because they haven't
>  been apprehended yet.
>....

A large percentage?  Are you claiming that a large percentages of all
people have committed felonies and haven't been caught?  Perhaps a large
percentage of those who have committed felonies haven't been caught.


Mickey McInnis  ([e-mail])
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In article <3vpg6m$[e-mail]>,
John Dunbar  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>My name is John Dunbar (KE6WBO).  I'm into a whole host of things, but for this
>
>I will be attending LDRS next week ( Aug 10 - Aug 14 ).  This is a national
>meet of High Powered Rocket flyers.  At this meet, I will fly an amateur
>TV, broadcasting on the 434Mhz frequency.  I will be downlinking real time
>telemetry from the vehicle which should achieve an altitude ~23k feet.  I would

John  --

Good luck with the project!  I hope this year's venture
goes as well as last years.

Please post a launch report.  Maybe put your data out
there on the net somewhere ?

-- kjh
>


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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J.Fitter BV/N0IAT)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
>>2) Get an adapter that allows people to play CD players through a car's
>>audio system (via the tape deck) and use that for my HT when I'm in the
>>car.  My car has a lot of road noise, and I'd like to be able to hear the
>>radio through the car's audio system if possible.  I would like to here
>>what people here have to say before I go out and buy one, only to find
>>that it wont work.

I tried that with an HT once and damaged one of my wife's car speakers.  The
squelch was set a bit low and the squelch tail was several db higher than
the normal headphone audio output. When the repeater would drop...CHCHCHRUNCH
squelch tail would blow you outta your seat.   Wound up replacing the car
speaker.  Guess the moral is to run tight squelch or run the audio thru an
equalizer first to tailor the audio (increase 1k to 3K response) and drop out
the bass and high trebel.

73 from Joe BV2/N0IAT  Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C.
Ex. 7J1AOF (Japan) KA0ZDH (novice) YU3/N0IAT (Slovenia)
Licensed Radio Amateur since 1986 //comments are mine only



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
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Jerry Wang ([e-mail]) recently wrote
        in <3vpp6p$[e-mail]>:


: Is there a FAQ for this newsgroup?  I've been reading for about a month
: and never came across a FAQ.  Maybe someone will volunteer to create one?

Look for the FAQ for all the rec radio groups in rec.radio.info  it shows
up every month or so. Don't hesitate to ask questions here. You will
learn in the faq that all questions about cw should be asked in the
rec.radio.amateur.policy  newsgroup. They are over there Fist fighting
right now. ;-)

Bob
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
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Jason M. Smith ([e-mail]) wrote:
<snip>
:   Hmm...Reckon Samual Morse
: did that on purpose?
<snip>
: Jason M. Smith N5WGT
: [e-mail]

   Several posts in this thread have referred to decisions by S.F.B.
Morse regarding characters in the code we use now on radio.  Many
of our characters are much later than Morse, and the code we use was
referred to for a long time as "International Code" or "International
Morse Code" to distinguish it from "Morse Code" which was used, until
well into the twentieth century, on American land-line telegraphs.
I don't know whether that code (with "C" as did-dit dit") was really the
one that Morse used in his first message or not.
   I always supposed that our "International Code" was European in origin,
and understood that it was used in European land-line telegraphy, perhaps
before Marconi started tinkering with long-range radio.  Various machines
were in widespread use in Europe for helping to decipher code on
land-lines when telegraph here still mainly used "sounders" and audio
transcription of "Morse Code".  Does anyone know who cooked up our present
radio code and when?  The date 1887 for some international communication
conference comes to my mind.
Gerry K8EF



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (frank mackenzielamb)
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What would one expect from Radio Shack? Why do hams bother?

NG1I

TEIXEIRA ([e-mail]) wrote:
: If you buy an Advanced Test Book at Radio Shack be sure it's not the
: outdated version. They are still selling the old books.


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Hello,

Forget all the expensive and sometimes worthless or marginal in results,
software. NOTHING does it like live qso's on the air as many a day as you
can get.  Very quickly AND without you knowing it, your speed "suddenly"
jumps up and you beat that plateau.  ONLY live qso's, complete with
errors and nervousness do the trick....and don't worry abt errors...tell
the other party as they will uinderstand.  This advicer is tride and true
but few will take it because it either sounds too simple ot they're too
sacred.  Great dividends if you do.

Good luck
Frank NG1I nr Boston

 BUDDY10 ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I just passed my 5wpm CW test. I want to take advantage of the "momentum"
: i've built up !  I know that if I slack off now it would be real hard to
: "get back on it."   I want to get up to 13wpm a.s.a.p.   I do not have an
: HF or HT unit(yet !). I have SuperMorse,Morse Academy,Morse tutor gold and
: NuMorse(the best of 'em I.m.h.o.). What would be the best best way to get
: up to 13wpm ? I will be studying CW about 1hr a day.  How long do you
: think it would take to get up to 13wpm ?  Please e-mail me.
: I thank you all in advance for any help you can provide.


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (FBenterprises)
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Subject: FBenterprises Web Page
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Just a quick announcement of FBenterprises new Web Page.  FBenterprises sells
Amateur Radio Publications, including Repeater Maps, and the full line of ARRL
Publications (at a DISCOUNT!).

The URL for the page is:

http://www.teleport.com/~radio/ham.html

Thank you!

73!

Bob Martin N7JXN
FBenterprises


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:22 1995
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John Dunbar ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hello,

: My name is John Dunbar (KE6WBO).

:  I'm into a whole host of things, but for this
: group, electronics and rockets are what I wish to emphasize.  I need some
: answers to the following questions:

: 1) I need to find out a phone number or contact for repeaters in the 434Mhz
: range in the region near Gerlach NV area ( Black Rock dry lake bed )?

I suggest you go to Ham Radio Outlet and get the ARRL repeater
directory...it'll fit in a pocket.


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From: [e-mail] (WarrenRing)
Subject: Re: Handheld radio harness?
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>SR>I need to carry a handheld radio whilst skiing/bicycling. Preferably under
>SR>the neck or the side of torso.
>
>SR>Any advice appreciated on a suitable harness.

On page 22 of the August issue of WorldRadio, there's an advertisement
for a harness.  Good luck.

Warren Ring
AB6QE



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (mouse)
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In article <3vpb6l$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Terrance King) says:
>
>I have surfed the net and not found a list of ham radio maritime mobile net
>freqs and times. Can anyone help? Thanks.
>
>Terry King

Maritime Mobile is on 14.313. One hurricane net is on 14.325.

Mouse


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Yuzuru Suzuki)
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We are trying to buy a brand-new straight key for our club.  We will
appreciate any comments about various straight keys.  Thanks!


73, Yuzuru Suzuki, AA1JA (Member of Harvard Wireless Club, W1AF
                          E-mail Address: [e-mail])



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:25 1995
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Can anyone tell me how to contact whatever person/entity
is responsible for frequency coordination in Ontario?

Thanks,
Eric.




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (hortense)
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Hello,

    My father-in-law is a radio-amateur in Washington state, and uses
packet radio up there.  He has a mailbox at on a local pbbs there.  I
have internet access and am wondering if there is a connection.  Can I
mail a message to "74QA??@someppbs.wash" or something to send him mail?
Is there any cross-talk between the two systems.

Thanks in advance for your help

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:27 1995
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'lo from melbourne, fl..

well, i survived erin with only some minor damage to the car from a fallen
tree (small dents in the roof..apparently the tree just rocked over in the
wind when the pavement gave way...i parked as far away from everything i
could think could fall - live in a wooded area and everyone tried for the
clear spot.  should have turned down the permission to go home and catch some
Z's.  and the area is less wooded than it used to be...i got off lucky.)

lots of impassible streets and standing water. i believe officially the
street in front of work is now officially closed due to flooding south of
here and potental for the borrow pit just north of here to break out of it's
banks.

so what is a fool like me doing at work? i have no idea...8)..

so far as i know there's been a minimum of deaths in the area (4 i think is
the current count) -- lots of damage with roofs coming off businesses and as
of last night about 100,000 people w/o power. (home is near a major feed
point..i stayed up).  Red Cross w/o mains power for several hours tuesday
morning.  several shelters w/o power...

storms following Erin have done more damage than the actual hurricane, in
terms of adding to the flooding  and impeding aid and repairs.

we need to figure out how to put up real antennas at the shelters
before/after the storm -- communications work was spotty at times because
cell radiophones/amateur/800 Mhz cop radios and such were being stressed out
and battery power was getting low for folks on duty long term. i didn't have
enough capability to be able to put a high power (25W) station at a location
w/o mains power at this time.  handitalkies would cut it if they had the
advantage of either a better repeater matrix or outside antennas.
red cross operating positions need to be rethought a bit -- the HF radio
system (the centerpiece) was not used.

generally, all forms of communications were used -- phone systems were
overtaxed so we'd run a call request over amateur to the shelter and have the
shelter call in to a fresh cell phone, for example -- generally everyone and
every thing got to take it's share of the traffic..

things look better for friday.  at least most at work have secure houses and
supplies for the next few days.  most of the water supply systems came
through w/o problems - some areas have sewage pump problems and some areas
are boiling water before use (farther inland from us).

interesting detail - the vines server stayed up (meaning no major power
disruption here) but all the print services were set up with their queues set
up to not accept jobs...they weren't left that way when we bailed...)

more later ...  bill  wb9ivr at the office (we still have a roof! hurray!)



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (NW2L)
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Date: 3 Aug 1995 15:20:15 -0400
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Hy, Al and Mu ... again.  It's a great story.  Too bad it's not true.
There's nothing in the Congressional Record to back it up.  And it's just
one of many stories -- none of which can be proven -- about the origins of
"ham."  We'll just have to live with it as it is.

73,
Rich Moseson, NW2L


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (NW2L)
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Subject: Re: CQ WW RTTY 1994
Date: 3 Aug 1995 15:20:47 -0400
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In a message, Doug Hall wrote:

<< I'm curious as to why the results took so long to publish. Seems that
CQWW RTTY should be a lot easier to tally than the "big" contests. Yet
we're
looking at nearly a year between contest and publication now. I'm not
trying to be overly critical, just curious.>>

Doug -- I've printed out a copy of your question to run past the editor.
I don't really know for sure, but I'd assume it depends on a combination
of the following:
1) deadline for submission of logs
2) when the contest manager finishes scoring the logs and submits the
results
3) available space in the magazine (August, for example, is our antenna
issue, and we try to stick with antenna-related topics), and
4) a whole bunch of intangibles that I can't even begin to guess at.

If I learn anything different from Alan, I'll let you know.

73,
Rich Moseson, NW2L
CQ Online


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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (NW2L)
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Subject: Re: Ham radio on Public Transit?
Date: 3 Aug 1995 15:22:13 -0400
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Hi Mike --

I've used HTs on buses and trains for years without a problem. Generally,
I use an earphone so as not to disturb anyone.  And I have gotten my share
of strange looks from people as I stare out the window and talk into my
hand.  But I've never had a problem with drivers (commercial airliners, of
course, are a different story; FAA regulations absolutely prohibit the use
of ham rigs, even just for listening, on commercial airliners.).  I'm sure
it has nothing to do with your age, since, as you say, you've only got a
problem with one driver.  One solution -- when you see you're going to
have this driver, keep your rig turned off.  You said you don't have her
every day, so don't sweat it too much.

73,
Rich Moseson, NW2L


PS - What's "72"?


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:31 1995
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#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    [e-mail]       [e-mail]   |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
                           for bf1pres.gif

Mr. Fisher,
        Did you not say that you follow the netettique guide of the 4 line tag
line???  Drop the GIF ad and the rest of the dashes and it will be 4 lines.
Never throw stones at glass houses, it could be your own.

I do not speak for anybody except for me.

Tony
N2TRV


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Moisan)
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Subject: Re: Ham radio on Public Transit?
Date: 3 Aug 1995 15:40:42 -0400
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Summary: No problems in Boston
Keywords: hamradio ht mobile public-transit

In article <3vqs3t$[e-mail]>,
Michael Furman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have been using my HT while riding the bus to work for a few months.  I
>have gone through about .. maybe a dozen different drivers (since they do
>change, and my exact time leaving the office does vary sometimes).  None

>of them have ever said a word or complained.  None of the other bus

I have never had any problems.  My friend even took his HT on the bus
with a "fishing-pole" whip, and no one paid any mind.  I have been
bus-mobile and trolley-mobile.  No problems.  (Surprisingly, I have
been able to use the 145.23 repeater in Boston while underground on
the Green Line.)


>practical puroposes, my HT is a cell phone to lay-people.  She would not
>permit a business man to use a cell phone to conduct his business!
There are no regulations that I know of on the MBTA that address radios
or cellphones on buses, though on the commuter rail, "radios may be played
with headsets only".

>talk to her.  We'll see if the bus driver with the "itch"  will even stop
>for me at all.  In general, this driver has an unfriendly attitude
>towards anyone getting on the bus, does not wait at places she should


Unfortunately, this is not exclusive to your area. :(

Headsets with your HT is a *very* good idea that I use myself;  I'm
hearing impaired so I need to do this anyway, especially in the subway.
That fishing pole antenna I brought up earlier is probably rude or even
dangerous to use on a moving, crowded vehicle.

The worst thing that's happened to us is that someone on the train
mistook us for DEA agents once.

Dave



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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Furman)
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Subject: Ham radio on Public Transit?
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I have been using my HT while riding the bus to work for a few months.  I
have gone through about .. maybe a dozen different drivers (since they do
change, and my exact time leaving the office does vary sometimes).  None
of them have ever said a word or complained.  None of the other bus
riders ever complain (they do look at me, but even the ones who sit in
front and behind never complain).  I always lower my voice (sometimes my
friends on the other end complain about mumbling), most of the time I do
not use headphones, but I do carry them with me if its especially noisy
or somebody complains.  I usually keep the volume at a level that I have
to hold the radio up to my ear to hear.  When I have to move over to make
room for another person, I politely put the radio away.

The past two days, this one bus driver, and older female, complained when
I turned the radio on.  There was one other rider in the bus at that time
(I have to get to work at 8AM - this is pretty early in the morning)  She
said "Can't have the radio on in the bus".  I have always interperted
this to mean no BoomBoxes-playing-loud-music.  Aparently, this driver
does not allow ANY type of electronic radio-like devices.  She said no
walkmans (even with headphones), no cell phones, NO RADIOS!  For all
practical puroposes, my HT is a cell phone to lay-people.  She would not
permit a business man to use a cell phone to conduct his business!

I called the Transportation Agency to complain, and they said they would
talk to her.  We'll see if the bus driver with the "itch"  will even stop
for me at all.  In general, this driver has an unfriendly attitude
towards anyone getting on the bus, does not wait at places she should
stop for 3 minutes, never smiles, never says anything to anyone, does not
wave at other more friendly drivers!  (Every single one of the other
drivers I have had has done at least one or more of the above things on a
daily basis)  Its possible that her mean attitude is because I am 18
years old, just out of HS.  But I go to work every day just like anyone
else, I pay my fairs and my TAXES so this *itch has a job, whether I
ride or not!  I should be allowed some courtesy!

I was curious if any of you other hams out there have had any experience
with using ham radio on public transit, whether good  or bad, as this is
my first bad experience.  It really wants to make me continue to use
public transit!  Reply any way you wish, by news, email, or packet.

Thanks and 72/73 to you all.

--
Mike Furman, KD6OCS
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott H. Reed)
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BUDDY10, [e-mail] writes:

> I passed the 5wpm code test today !   It was actually fun.  I also copied
> better at the test site(with all the noise) than I have in practice at
> home.

> P.S. Now to get ready for 13wpm !!!

Congratulations!  Passing 5 wpm code was the most exhilarating test!  And
go for 13.  With an attitude like yours, you'll crush the test.

Jeez, with amateurs like these, we shouldn't have to worry so much, eh?

Way to go, Buddy!   Keep going!

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From: [e-mail] (Scott H. Reed)
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Yuzuru Suzuki, [e-mail] writes:
> We are trying to buy a brand-new straight key for our club.  We will
> appreciate any comments about various straight keys.  Thanks!


> 73, Yuzuru Suzuki, AA1JA (Member of Harvard Wireless Club, W1AF
>                           E-mail Address: [e-mail])

Your club Harvard ARS, has a fine old call, W1AF.  Michigan, the Harvard
of the west had W8UM.  Is it still around?  Go Blue!

Get and keep Harvard W1AF on the air!  Look for Northwestern University
this fall, W9BGX.

Oh, yeah, try the Bencher straight key.

-- 73 de Scott

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan V. Cook)
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     Bill,

     Soundls like squelch clamping, which is to say that the combination of
     a transmitter that is a touch too wide and a receiver that is very
     narrow can block the audio.  You seem to have figured out the problem.
      The answer is to just back away from the microphone, and stop
     shouting.  The natural human instinct when the signal doesn't get
     through is to talk louder and closer, but that is exactly the wrong
     answer in this situation.

     -----------------------------------------
     73 from Alan Cook, N7CEU
     N7CEU@WF6O.#SOCA.USA.NA
     ---------------------------------------------------------------------
     N3JLQ Wrote:

     Date: 2 Aug 95 15:02:45 GMT
     From: [e-mail] (Bill Jones, n3jlq)
     Subject: Strange problem with HTX202 and 1 repeater

     Hi
       Wanted to find out if anyone had any idea of what might be the cause
     of
     what I have been observing. I have an HTX202 that I use regularly on a
     variety of local repeaters and on packet, simplex, etc, and have had
     no
     problems with it. We routinely vacation in a remote location where
     there
     are several repeaters that use pl tones (none of my local repeaters
     use
     pl tones). On previous trips I have used the HTX202 to call one
     repeater
     that uses a 100 HZ pl tone, but with one repeater, even though I could
     receive it adequately, I could not bring it up with the 202, even
     though I
     could use it with 3 other radios (2 Alincos and a Yaesu). I assumed
     that the
     100 HZ tone in the 202 must be off freq or low in amplitude, but when
     I
     experimented using tone squelch using at least 4 different radios, it
     worked
     fine in all cases. I assumed then that I must just have a marginal
     signal into
     the repeater in question. This trip, however, I put up an improved
     antenna, so
     that I get full scale reception on this repeater. Now, I can bring up
     the
     repeater with the 202, but no audio goes through the repeater, ie the
     repeater
     just has a dead carrier when I am talking! Again, the repeater works
     fine
     when I access it via one of my other radios, and I can still work
     other
     repeaters and other radios in tone squelch mode fine using the 202. I
     seem
     to have ruled out a problem with my 202, and I also seem to have ruled
     out
     a problem with the repeater. I am still assuming that the problem
     involves
     the 100 HZ pl tone, but can't understand why the repeater seemingly
     hears
     the tone enough to bring up the repeater, but not enough to allow
     audio
     through. The only thing I can think of is that the deviation may be a
     bit wide
     on my HTX202 and the bandwidth on the repeater may be on the narrow
     side, and
     all the other radios I experimented with are intermediate, ie I have
     seen
     situations where a wide deviation transmitter sounds like a dead
     carrier
     when received with a narrow band receiver. I have been told that the
     repeater
     in question was using pl tones because it was having intermod
     problems, so it
     seems possible that the repeater op narrowed down the bandwidth to
     avoid
     interferrence. I have observed packet signals from the 202 on a scope,
     and the
     audio does not seem to be over-modulated, but I don't have access to a
     deviation meter.
        Does any of this make any sense? I intend to eventually contact the
     repeater op and see if he can monitor my signal, and intend to try to
     determine if the deviation of the 202 is excessive by tuning through
     the 202's signal with a narrow band receiver, but wanted to see if
     anyone had any other ideas that I might investigate?


     Thanks in advance, de N3JLQ       [e-mail]





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Any mods, please



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:40 1995
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB077
ARLB077 Comm Emergency delcared

ZCZC AG44
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 77  ARLB077
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  August 3, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB077
ARLB077 Comm Emergency declared

Voluntary Communications Emergency Declared

All amateurs are requested to cooperate by recognizing the existence
of a Voluntary Communications Emergency, issued by the Atlanta
Office of the FCC, and therefore relinquishing the use of
frequencies 3837, 3862, 3910, 3925-3945, 3950, 3965, 7230-7235, 7280
and 7290 kHz for handling emergency traffic resulting from Hurricane
Erin.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:41 1995
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From: Rob Bellville <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Radio Images (.gif, tif, .bmp, etc.)
Date: 3 Aug 1995 18:24:27 GMT
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I am looking for radio-related images for my Web pages. Prefer colored
images, drawn or scanned.

Any clues where I can find some?

Thanks!

-- Rob


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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:42 1995
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[e-mail] (Dana Myers) writes:

>coast.  We happened to visit the US Coast Guard station in Newport.
>Nice folks, gave us a great tour, including the communications
>room.  I asked the comm officer when the last time he used Morse
>was, and he looked at me quizzically.  They don't even have a
>key in the comm room; they primarily monitor VHF marine and
>CB channel 9.  So, if you are in distress off the Oregon coast,
>make sure to be prepared either with a VHF marine radio or a
>cheap CB radio.  Don't waste your time trying to get help
>with Morse code :-).

This is just plain inflammatory. CG *coastal* stations have never had
CW. Only the *communications* stations carried CW, and your entry into
such would not have been allowed due to security measures. There are
only two COMMSTAs on the West Coast, compared to the dozens and dozens
of coastal search/rescue stations (practically one in every major
harbor or inlet).

I'm suprised they weren't monitoring 2182 kHz SSB.

Jeff NH6IL


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SB DX @ ARL $ARLD042
ARLD042 DX news

ZCZC AE18
QST de W1AW
DX Bulletin 42  ARLD042
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  August 3, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB DX ARL ARLD042
ARLD042 DX news

This week's bulletin was made possible with information provided by
Charlie, KY0A, Bob, WB2YQH, The 599 DX Report, the Yankee Clipper
Contest Club PacketCluster network and Contest Corral from QST.
Thanks to all.

UPDATE ON JUAN FERNANDEZ, CE0Z.  The September operation is still
on.  Plans call for the use of full size delta loop antennas for 160
and 80 meters, both hung from a 150 foot commercial tower and Yagis
for higher bands.  Emphasis will be on low bands, RTTY and WARC
bands.  QSL via K0IYF.

UPDATE ON HEARD ISLAND, VK0.  Equipment is being crated for mid to
late August shipment to Australia.  Gear and team should both arrive
on Heard on November 12.  A cook/camp manager is still needed for
this DXpedition.

NAMIBIA.  Charlie, KY0A, will be active as either V52YG or
V52/ZS6YG, from August 7 through 10.  This before sunrise/after
sunset operation will be on 160, 80, 40 and 30 meter CW only.
Charlie hopes to try some 17 meter QSOs late in his trip.  QSL via
KY0A.

CHRISTMAS ISLAND, VK9X.  Uwe, DJ9HX, is active from Christmas Island
as VK9XI.  He has been worked on 14027 kHz at 1123z and 14177 kHz at
1422z.  QSL via DJ9HX.

ANDAMAN ISLANDS.  VU2AU has been on 14195 kHz at 1700z arranging
schedules with Mani, VU2JPS.

BENIN, TY. Sigi, DJ4IJ, was supposed to be active by now as TJ1IJ,
though there have been no PacketCluster spots on the New England
network as yet.  Stay tuned.

ISLE OF MAN, GD3.  Dave, GD3NKC, will be working mainly CW on the
low bands from August 5 to 19.  A Wednesday SSB schedule will be on
1870 kHz at 2130z.

UK BASE CYPRUS, ZC4.  Listen for ZC4C by OK1ADM, OK1RF and OK1RI
August 6 to 18, including a stint in the WAE CW Contest.  QSL via
OK1RI.

SAINT PIERRE AND MIQUELON ISLANDS.  FP5AA, operated by K2RW, should
be on the air August 15 to 19.  Try 14165 kHz between 1100 and 1200z
to arrange schedules.  QSL via K2RW.

THIS WEEKEND ON THE RADIO.  The ARRL UHF Contest starts at 1800z
August 5 and ends at 1800z August 6.  Exchange grid square locators
on authorized amateur frequencies above 222 MHz.  Complete rules
appear on page 112 of July QST.

An official W1AW Qualifying Run with speeds from 10 to 35 wpm in 5
wpm steps will start at 0200z August 6.

The North American QSO Party, CW, sponsored by the National Contest
Journal, is from 1800z August 5 until 0600z August 6.  Limit your
output power to 150 watts.  Exchange name and state/province/DXCC
country.

The YO DX Contest, sponsored by the Romanian AR Federation, runs
from 2000z August 5 until 1600z August 6, on 80 through 10 meters.
Exchange signal report and ITU Zone.

For more information on these events, check page 114 of July QST.

CREN 50th Anniversary Contest, sponsored by Club de Radio
Experimentadores de Nicaragua, takes place on August 6 from 0000z to
2400z.  Choose CW, SSB or RTTY, single operator only, on 40, 20 and
15 meters.  Exchange signal report and consecutive serial number.
For 50 points, work YN1YN, the HQ station of CREN, which can be
worked only once.  For 10 points, work YN1ATM or YN1OC, founding
members of CREN, also only once each.  Other YN stations net 5
points each.   And all other QSOs net 1 point per QSO.  Final score
is total QSO points multiplied by 50.  Send log and summary before
September 8 to CREN, Box 925, Managua, Nicaragua.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BUDDY10)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Question on Using Super morse to generate exams
Date: 3 Aug 1995 19:29:20 -0400
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How do I get super morse to generate multiple choice questions to the
exams it generates ?  This is the type of test i will be taking to upgrade
to General & I want to get used to it.
Thanks !

 [e-mail]  (Scott Powell)
 KD6GPV      Tech. Plus since 1995
 Nickel dime shoeshine,don't let your meat loaf !


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Recent radio related trivia...
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <3vlqdp$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dana Myers) writes:
>
>Later on, we went to the Monterey Bay, and one of the places there
>we visited was Pebble Beach and the 17 mile drive.  I was quite
>surprised to find out that Pebble Beach as established by
>Samuel F. B. Morse to conserve the natural beauty of the area.
>There's even a Samuel F. B. Morse Drive.  I wonder what kind of
>CC&Rs they have there against amateur radio antennas?

Probably stiff ones, but I bet telegraph lines are exempt. :-)

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (HeadShrnkr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Antenna Painting
Date: 3 Aug 1995 19:39:47 -0400
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This may be a rather odd question, but does anyone know or have an opinion
of what a coat of paint would do to an antenna? Specifically I am
considering installing two KLM antennas, one for 2m and one for 70cm.
Due to restrictions presented by my homeowners association antennas are
frowned upon, although not banned all together. To minimize the visual
impact of such an array I was considering painting the antennas and mast
with a light blue, "sky blue" actually, paint. My concern is if or how
this may effect the antennas useage.

My other option, is to locate the antenna array on the rear of my home.
However, this would require a cable run of aprox. 150 feet. I am not
certain how much this would degrade the signal. Is this run something that
could be overcome with preamps or other means?

Any and all input is appericated in this matter.
It is helpful to email replies to [e-mail]
Thank you.

73,
KB2VKJ (Bruce)

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CCR restrictions (was Re: Local Antenna Restrictions)
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In article <3vm10l$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mbutu Nguni) writes:
>
>Frank Adrian wrote:
>
>>I didn't say that aesthetics should be used to determine "rights".  In
>>fact, I believe that the constitution is very clear on what determines
>>rights.
>
>You believe wrongly.  The Constitution doesn't enumerate all the things
>that are possibly allowed -- it indicates which rights our government may
>not infringe on.

It lists some of the specially important rights our government may
not infringe, as well as some rights we've agreed to allow the government
to infringe. It by no means lists all rights. The Declaration of Independence
says our rights are endowed by our Creator, IE are natural rights, and are
inalienable, IE may neither be granted nor denied. Government can only
infringe rights, by use of force or threat of force, or by consensus,
though the latter is usually so rare as to be of only theoretical
consideration.

>>And there is no right (as enumerated by the constitution and
>>upheld by many levels of courts) to build a radio tower in your backyard.
>
>There is nothing enumerated in the Constitution that says I can wear a
>Hawaiian shirt either, but yet I'm doing so at this very moment!  Amazing!

Yes, government only has the power to infringe rights, through use, or threat
of use, of force. It never has the power to grant rights, which are our
inalienable heritage, though it may attempt to grant special privileges
to some, again backed by force or threats of force as necessary.

Government is the embodiment of raw power, and as Mao said, "All power
flows from the barrel of a gun." Government lives or dies on the fear
engendered by its armed minions.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Installing a Ground Rod
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Glenn Mead) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>|> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Wasmir Robeves) writes:
>|> >
>|> >I'm in the process of building my house. Can I use the reinforcing steel bars
>|> >of the foundation, buried about 6 feet under ground, as my grounding system?
>
>I would not use rebarb that is part of a foundation as a grounding point.
>If you did happen to have a direct hit, it could cause your foundation
>to shatter/crack/explode.

Dr. Ufer, and the US Army Ordnance Dept, would be somewhat amazed to
hear that, as would the writers of the National Electrical Code, who
all consider the Ufer ground both safe and effective. This old wive's
tale about exploding concrete still makes the rounds, despite the
tens of thousands of sites protected by Ufer grounds across the country
who have never experienced such an occurance, and despite the Army
ammo bunkers constructed using Ufer grounding protection which have
never suffered a concrete explosion from a lightning strike. A properly
done Ufer installation is safe, effective, and won't cause concrete
cracking or explosions any more than conventional driven rods will
cause "dirt" explosions. What a Ufer ground *will* do is offer a
lower impedance connection to Earth than most any other grounding
method short of copper plating the Earth. (Of course you have to
do a Ufer ground *right*, just as you have to do any other ground
right in order to benefit from it. An improperly done Ufer ground,
like any other improperly done ground, can cause all sorts of
problems, even including (conceivably) a concrete explosion. Fortunately,
you'd have to work real hard to screw up a Ufer ground installation.)

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Bromley, W5GYJ)
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Subject: Re: Antenna Painting
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In article <3vrmo3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (HeadShrnkr) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (HeadShrnkr)
>Subject: Antenna Painting
>Date: 3 Aug 1995 19:39:47 -0400

>This may be a rather odd question, but does anyone know or have an opinion
>of what a coat of paint would do to an antenna?...

>My concern is if or how
>this may effect the antennas useage.

I paint my antennas semi-gloss black and have no trouble.  If you are painting
on bare aluminum (a conductor) you are effectively "shorting out" the paint
layer if it has any sheet resistance at all.  I think I would test any paint I
used on plastic in the microwave oven first.  If it doesn't self-immolate
there, it probably has a low-enough loss.

Jim, W5GYJ




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (D. Kelly)
Subject: Start up Costs
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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I am think about getting into the Ham radio world.  I was curious about
start up costs.  I know one can get carried away with such activities;
however, I would like to get a reasonable good system.  If someone could
advise, in general, on cost of Tx/Rec, antenna, etc it would be appreciated.
Also the identification of a responsible suplier in the Ottawa area would
be help full.

I have contacted the government and they are sending me a package on
requirements, etc.

The other thing that comes to mind is interference, not only for my
equipment but also for the neighbours (ie: TV, radio, stereos, etc).  Any
insight would be appreciated.

Thanks for any help provided.
--
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488 Woodland Ave.    [phone] - Home        Civil Servant Retired
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
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Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
Date: 3 Aug 1995 20:25:50 GMT
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:

: The purpose of any
: communications medium is to facilitate the transmission of thoughts
: and ideas from one person to another.

That IS the point, Gary!  (Hurrah!)

: The more quickly and accurately
: it does that, the better. Almost any digital mode does that better
: than manual Morse.

Oh, darn.  Gary slips back to missing the point again.  "Faster and
more accurately" is great (even "technologically advanced") if the
person on the other end is capable of copying your mode.  The point of
this mini-sub-thread is just that.  CW (Morse) is the second most used
(popular) mode worldwide (by HF hams).  It clearly has the advantage
of "facilitating the transmission of thoughts and ideas from one
person to another" better than any other mode (except SSB) currently
in use.

The steam hammer proved its "superiority" over John Henry, but when
was the last time you saw a steam hammer in someone's basement?  Most
hammering is still done with old John Henry hammers, unless you are
building a railroad.  Most of us don't even own nail-guns.

(several paragraphs of technical superiority statements about modern
digital modes deleted)

Yes, Gary, modern digital modes ARE "technically superior".  I already
admitted that.  Save your breath.

: I have faith that many of the newer amateurs will make the change, if they
: are shown the truth. Perhaps many of the old installed base of amateurs,
: set in their ways, will continue to fight the change, but in time they'll
: all be taking dirt naps, and the issue will be settled, as it was with SSB
: vs AM.

"Dirt naps". How touching.  Yes, Morse will some day pass from the
regulations.  But not until other digital modes become as widely used
as Morse is today (thus supplanting Morse).  To abandon the Morse
requirement now simply because digital modes are technically superior
goes against your own stated purpose: "...to facilitate the
transmission of thoughts and ideas from one person to another".

Greg



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
Date: 3 Aug 1995 20:48:01 GMT
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Jerry B Altzman ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Yes, he's happy, just as you're happy that there are Morse Code beepers and
: Voice Box Squawkers with whom YOU can talk. What is the big deal? If Gary
: doesn't want to talk with the morons on 14.313, will you take offense at
: that?

Well, "the morons on 14.313" wasn't quite what I meant by "the widest
cross-section of hams".  I'm sorry if that's your interpretation.

: >I've enjoyed your recent posts, Gary.  They do a good job of giving
: >people a peak at your fundamental mind-set and remind all of us that
: >those _concerned_ with "superior technology" and "progress" advance the
: >human condition, while those _obsessed_ with it sometimes have little
: >regard for how it might impact people in the present.

: Since when is the thrust of Amateur Radio to "improve the human condition"?

Sorry, it just seems to me that "enhancing international goodwill" (a
stated purpose of Amateur Radio) improves the human condition.  Silly
me.

: Your argument is so specious and weak that you must resort to silly _ad
: hominem_ attacks on Gary to further your silly point.

What ad-hominem attack?  I suggested that Gary is proccupied with
superior technology.  That IS true, isn't it?  If not, what the heck
has he been talking about?

: I mean, we communicate via computer over
: Usenet, why is that so much different than ham radio?

You really think it's the same???  That was a rhetorical question,
right?

: >You appear to be a technical wizard, Gary, and you obviously put more
: >stock in those purposes and goals of the Amateur Service which
: >correspond to your interests.  Others (some of whom could even be

: Translation: Gary, you're a geek. [If it makes you feel any better, Gary, I
: am a geek too. -j]

: >described as "appliance operators") choose to hone their operating
: >skills and optimize their ability to communicate with as broad a
: >cross-section of hams as possible, thus fulfilling other purposes and
: >goals of the service.

: There's no problem with that, so long as these operators don't blindly cling
: to one form of communication, claiming it is the best for this or that or
: whatever, even when they've been proven wrong.

: There's nothing wrong with beeping along in CW (Even Gary did it!) at all.
: Just don't claim that it is the be-all-end-all-alpha-omega-savior-of-ham-
: radio.

I, for one, never have made that claim. (Read my claims...I won't kill
more electrons by repeating my last post here).  By the way, my
calling Gary a "technical wizard" was purely complimentary.  I admire
his knowledge and respect his numerous answers to technical questions
on Usenet.  Whether he wears thick glasses, a pocket protector and
plaid pants doesn't concern me.

Greg



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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
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Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
Date: 3 Aug 1995 20:49:24 GMT
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Jerry B Altzman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3vleim$[e-mail]>,
: A complete blithering moron <[e-mail]> wrote:

: >Usenet, why is that so much different than ham radio? Is it so much more
: >personal when you see my voice? (I suppose if we were using ATV in real time

: That should be "hear", twit.

: Duh.

: >//jbaltz

: //jbaltz

Yea, I hear he's a geek, too.  Or is that "see" he's a geek?? :-)

Greg



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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
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Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
Date: 3 Aug 1995 20:59:06 GMT
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Kok Chen ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (gregory brown) writes:

: >Jim Cummings ([e-mail]) wrote:

: >: As the old adage goes - you can't work them if you can't hear them...

: >How about another adage: "You can't work them if they don't operate
: >your mode".  In this regard, Morse beats the daylights out of those
: >modes.  Technical superiority? Nah.  Current communications
: >superiority? Yup.


: You are right; but sometimes it works against CW-only bigots.

Wow.  "CW-only bigots"?  Now there's a leap.  I don't think I've
ever seen a single post from one of those critters.
Do they really exist?

: I work three of the more common modes, and have countries which I have
: only worked on RTTY, countries which I have only worked on CW and
: countries which I have only worked on phone.

Most other people do the same thing.  Please don't create yet another
emotional misconception into this discussion...there are enough
already.

Greg



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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SHOULD THE CODE REQUIREMENT BE DROPPED???????
Date: 3 Aug 1995 21:05:00 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
: In article <3vg228$[e-mail]>,
: Jim Price N3QYE <[e-mail]> wrote:

: >No matter what the polls may reflect in terms of opinions, the code
: >requirement will never  be dropped --

: Dang Jim, NEVER is a very long time. Anyone want to bet that the code
: requirement will last longer than the dinosaurs?

Sure Cecil.  It already has!  Dinosaurs are extinct, code lives on!
And don't give me that "birds are dinosaurs" line.  That's just
semantic hype by the dino guys to increase their funding! :-)

Greg WB0RTK
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I have seen the 2 meter 30 watt amplifier and I was wondering if anyone
has any experience with it.

It claims that input is 0.5-5 watts, and outputs 30.  Does this mean that
if you put in 1 watt, you still get out 30 or do you need to put in 5 to
get 30 out?

It seems like a reasonable way to get around buying a mobile unit.

Thanks.

--
                                        >David N1QGK<
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:56 1995
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Subject: Re: ### I need info/mods on Kenwood TH-22AT Handhelds
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Wong Shiong Chuen ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I'm interested in purchasing a TH-22AT, however, silly as this may sound, I
: need mods for it.

: I need to restrict it to RX and TX from 144-146 -ONLY-. It's a requirement
: by our licencing here (Singapore) before the equiptment can be 'type
: approved'. Long story, I shan't go into it.

: Preferably, a mod that can be reversed.

: Oh yes, I'd also like the mods for expanded RX/TX if any are available, and
: if there are any keypad mods/tricks.

: This is posted to r.r.swap as I'd like to know if there are any technical
: manuals or the like for the TH-22AT where I can purchase to help me figure
: out how to restrict the RX/TX if possible.

: Alternatively, anyone knows of any nice HTs that can be restricted to 100%
: TX/RX from 144-146 only?

: Thanks for any info.

Try the Radio Shack HTX-202.

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:57 1995
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: On 31 Jul 1995, James L. McKiel wrote:

: > I have reciently downloaded some files for studying for the General
: > Ham test.  These files were in *.zip format. The only executable
: > I have to UnZip these is PKUNZIP. This program will not work. It says
: > that it doesn't know how to handle the files, or something like that.
: > Does anyone have or know where I can get a program which works to
: > unzip these?
: >
: > Thanks,
: >
: > Jim
: > KD4IHG


Another common problem is forgetting to set your FTP transfer mode to
"binary" and downloading the file as an ASCII file.  PKUNZUIP will
return a similar (or identical) error message when it tries to expand
the file.  I used to forget to "set binary" or "kermit -i" all the
time and ran into this "reminder" every time!

Greg
WB0RTK



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio)
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With over 200 votes in, the "don't drop code" votes are ahead by a 2 to 1
margin. The poll will last through August 11th. at web sit------>

                     http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html.

All results posted in real time, and they can be cross tabulated by age
and license class. 73's Ray

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:55:59 1995
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I did the same in getting the Novice and Tech-no code license but I think I
should spend the time learning the code.  General is where I want to go to
access HF and I think code will be the toughest hurdle.
    Good luck,  Bill Cely  KC7MFG





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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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In article <[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Dana Myers) writes:
>
>>coast.  We happened to visit the US Coast Guard station in Newport.
>>Nice folks, gave us a great tour, including the communications
>>room.  I asked the comm officer when the last time he used Morse
>>was, and he looked at me quizzically.  They don't even have a
>>key in the comm room; they primarily monitor VHF marine and
>>CB channel 9.  So, if you are in distress off the Oregon coast,
>>make sure to be prepared either with a VHF marine radio or a
>>cheap CB radio.  Don't waste your time trying to get help
>>with Morse code :-).
>
>This is just plain inflammatory.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No it isn't.  It is just my observation.  Nothing inflammatory at
all.

>CG *coastal* stations have never had
>CW. Only the *communications* stations carried CW, and your entry into
>such would not have been allowed due to security measures. There are
>only two COMMSTAs on the West Coast, compared to the dozens and dozens
>of coastal search/rescue stations (practically one in every major
>harbor or inlet).
>
>I'm suprised they weren't monitoring 2182 kHz SSB.

Doesn't change a thing; my observation was "don't waste your
time trying to get help [from the USCG] using Morse code", and
we all know that the USCG no longer offers Morse services, even
at the COMMSTAs.   Nothing inflammatory, just an observation.

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:01 1995
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In article <3va5lc$4sn$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Murray Kelly) writes:
>Steven Kremer <[e-mail]> writes:
>>Are there any Australian and/or New Zealand Amateur Radio Newsgroups ?
>Yup. Look in aus.radio. amateur etc The aus. is the key.
>Murray Kelly. vk4aok
>
The new aus groups have not become available in ZL tho' we've
 searched for, and asked about them locally.
There's been no obvious problem with other "new" news groups.
Hope we get to read them again soon.
Cheers.  CLiff Walker (ZL2ALY) Wellington, N.Z.


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:02 1995
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From: dan drumm <drumm>
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Subject: Dentron tuner (instruction / pay too much?)
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I bought a Dentron (model <something> jr.) antenna tuner for $30.00 US.
at a hamfest.  Did I pay too much?

I was going to use it with a heath HW100, -- now I know I also need
an swr meter. oops, here comes yet another purchase.  Nevertheless,
I would gratefully pay cost + postage + thank-you-very-very-much for
the photocoppied manual.


Other than that, I would like to just get a quick overview on how to
get up and running with the thing.  It has one meter, and two knobs:
(and no instructions):

#1      transmitter match       a,b,c,d,e,f... switch.
#2      antenna match           variable.

The back has tx in, ant out, ballenced out, and unballenced out.


any help greatly appreciated.  If you have the manual, please contact me
at [e-mail].


Thanks!

Dan Drumm
N9VOX

                        Wishing you an extra hour each day!



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:03 1995
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In article <3vj7jp$[e-mail]>
Steve Hilberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I have a different problem which maybe someone can shed light on.  I
> havea 12V battery pack for my FT530.   It discharges at a rapid rate to
> where it is alomost useless.  When I attach it to the radio after charging,
> the voltage drops continuously from 13.8V or so to discharge (display
> blinks) in 30 min or less -- even if not transmitting.  I have been very
> careful about charging my batteries so they don't overcharge.  I'm using
> the charger I got with my FT530 7V battery to charge the 12V pack
> (purchased from W&W).  Someone suggested that this might be the
> problem - that it needs a different charger.  I plan on calling W&W to see
> what they have to say when I get a chance.
>
> Can anyone shed some light on this?

I'm no expert, so for waht it's worth, I'd think a charger for a 7V battery
might not charge a 12V pack -- at all, or at least very slowly.

Along these lines, I had a couple Icom packs I thought were dead -- they
wouldn't give eneough power to transmit even after a charge session in my Icom
quick charger.  I put them on a slow charge for about 48 hours each and they
came back.  Who knows?...

Jud
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:04 1995
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Hi Dan,
  If that is the tuner I am thinking about, it has a meter on the front
which indicates relative power (with a pot on the back to adjust
sensitivity.
  I have used the Dentron tuners for several years (both the Jr. Tuner and
the much larger MT-2000A.  I haven't had one bit of problems with them.
  To operate the tuner, you set the bandswitch and then adjust both the
transmitter and antenna capacitors for the best match.  You can get a
rough idea by adjusting for maximum background receiver noise.  The
settings will obviously change depending on the antenna you are using.
The only rule of thumb is the lower the letter setting on the bandswitch,
the more inductor you are switching in and the lower the operating
frequency.

The is a post on the back for the single wire antenna to which you would
hook a long wire or random wire antenna.  If you are using balanced
feedline, you would put a jumper between the single wire post and one post
of the balanced output. There should be a dotted line on the back
indicating where this jumper should be placed.  In addition, if you are
using the tuner on low frequencies and have a hard time matching the
antenna, you may want to put this jumper in as the addition of the balun
in the circuit will help tune low frequency long wires.
  If you will verifiy you have the Jr. Monitor tuner, I have the manual
and can copy it for you.  You can send me E-mail with an address.
                        73's
                           Steve


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From: [e-mail] (John N0ISL)
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Subject: ISLDX: US Islands Awards Program
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                   official packet bulletin for the
       *********************************************************
       I      UNITED STATES ISLANDS AWARDS PROGRAM (US I)      *
       S              c/o John Reisenauer, NL7TB               *
       L        Rt. 2  Box 2161, Benton City, WA 99320         *
       *                                                       *
       *                US Islands ARC "KC7KHU"                D
       *             US I Last Frontier ARC "WL7CND"           X
       *********************************************************
                                                    July 30, 1995

         Please add a couple more islands to your island directories.
       Guemes Island (WA-53S) and King Island (ND-01L).  Well, my vac-
       ation is now over so I can get to work QSLing.  The QSLs from
       my recent Douglas Island and Fox Island operation are pouring in
       daily!  It was nice to work the following US I enthusiasts from
       King Island on Lake Sakakawea in North Dakota: Kim, KD1VE...
       Larry, N4VA and Dee Dee, AA7KE on Whidbey Island (WA-01S).  I
       hadn't been to Governor's Island for 5 years and found it sub-
       merged on July 24th so moved on to King Island where Claire and
       I managed to work 3 countries in 200 contacts.  Poor band condx,
       extremely hot weather (95+) and high water made it "interesting".

         I'm often asked what kind of antennas I use on portable oper-
       ations.  Mostly I use a quarter-wave G5RV up about 25 feet or a
       vertical or beam on more serious endeavors.  John, KG7RS, said
       he's had good results using a pair of "Hamsticks" as a dipole and
       supports the mast off a modified camera tripod.  Perhaps we can
       entice John to tell us more in detail.  What do you use on port-
       able operations?

         Page, WA3EOP, is expected to be on from Chincoteague Island, VA,
       as I type this bulletin.  He will be assisted by N3TDN.  They will
       also be on 6 meters!  Page mentioned the QSLs for his Broomes Isl.
       operation are on order.

         Hope you were able to pick up some "new ones" during the IOTA
      contest.  Please remember our contest September 23 and 24.

                                   73 and enjoy island collecting!
                                   John, NL7TB


..........................................................................
.........................................
Thats it for this weeks bulletin. Look for N0ISL/0 operating from Bear
Island (MN03L) during the thrd week of August. Usual frequencies as
well as the novice CW bands. 73 es Good Hunting.. John N0ISL

John Douglas, N0ISL
AX.25 N0ISL@KZ7I.#MSP.MN.USA.NOAM
I'm in Minnesota only because I must be somewhere!


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Howard Lester)
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Subject: Re: Radio Shack 2m amplifier
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In article <3vrds9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>I have seen the 2 meter 30 watt amplifier and I was wondering if anyone
>has any experience with it.
>
>It claims that input is 0.5-5 watts, and outputs 30.  Does this mean that
>if you put in 1 watt, you still get out 30 or do you need to put in 5 to
>get 30 out?

I have one - or should I say "the shop" has it right now. First of all,
figure 2 watts in = 20 watts out (at 13.8v); .3 watts in = about 5 watts
out.

Why is it in the shop? I've owned it for three months and have hardly
used it, but recently I discovered that, when the unit is on, receive
capability in the 2-meter band is way, way down! OUTSIDE the 2-m band it
still receives fine, so maybe the receive helical filter went TU. At
least it's under warranty....

Howard Lester  KE7QJ


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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 03/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 03 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 04 AUGUST - 06 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  73/9

GOES satellite data for 02 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   1.4E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.8E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 3.6E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A1.8
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             04 Aug             05 Aug             06 Aug
Activity     very low           very low           very low
Fadeouts     none expected      none expected      none expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 04 Aug:  75/13

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 02 Aug
    Learmonth        8  2332 2221
    Fredericksburg   7                           5
    Planetary        8                           4

Observed Kp for 02 Aug: 1111 1221
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
04 Aug     5    quiet
05 Aug     5    quiet
06 Aug     5    quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
03 Aug      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
04 Aug      normal         normal         normal
05 Aug      normal         normal         normal
06 Aug      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
03 Aug    19    near predicted monthly values

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
04 Aug    20    near predicted monthly values
05 Aug    20    near predicted monthly values
06 Aug    15    near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: 20% depressed, night-time Spread F.
Townsville MUFs: daylight depressions of 20%
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values with night-time Sporadic E
layer.

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:10 1995
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From: David Solomon <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I PASSED THE TEST !!!
Date: 3 Aug 1995 23:37:03 GMT
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Congratulations on passing the code test!

I passed the 5wpm test last October and passed the 13wpm in
January.  I only passed th 13 because I think I was lucky on the
multiple guess test.  Now that I am a General class license
holder, I am re-practicing the code by listening on the Novice
bands.  I hope to get on the are with CW for the first time this
week!

Don't do what I did and rush just to get the General class
license.  Get on the air and have fun while you pick up speed.
I'm embarrassed to go on the air at 7-8 wpm for the first time
while holding a General class ticket!

Good luck and have fun!
73 de David KB2SDD


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:11 1995
From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)
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Subject: Re: Hamradio demographics
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JJ>Can anyone point me to a source (old or new) that would list
JJ>total number of hamradio operators by state and/or by country?
JJ>

My copy of North American CallBook (1991 - kinda old) has two
listings (make that three listings). On Page 22A is a census
of US licensees by State and license class. On Page 23A is a
listing of worldwide licensees by prefix (country) and on
Pages 24A-25A another census of US licensees by State and
the first 3 digits of their ZIP.

73, de Hans, K0HB




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:12 1995
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:John Dunbar ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hello,
:
: My name is John Dunbar (KE6WBO).
: ( summary, I need a repeater)

>I suggest you go to Ham Radio Outlet and get the ARRL repeater
>directory...it'll fit in a pocket.
>
------   John,  he means go buy a repeater directory, not go steal one!

(hihi)



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: BOGus HTX 202 mod?!?!?!?!?!?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  > I found this file on a bbs on a bbs. I think it sounds too
  > good to be true. What's everyone else think? Thanks in advance...
  > Jason KB8SFC

  This was originallly posted by Craig Shergold. Now he's trying to get
  back in the Guiness book by causing the most number of dead hand helds.


;--
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;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:15 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Perseid GriDXpedition to EM49 or EM47
Date: 4 Aug 1995 00:36:20 GMT
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Friday, Saturday and Sunday (Aug 11, 12, 13) I will be in either EM49 or EM47 for
the duration of the weekend looking for meteor scatter contacts.  I will be running
150w on 2m into an 18-element beam.  I will be experimenting with some "close"
scatter contacts (<500 miles) by tiliting the antenna upward.  If you're interested
in making a sched, send e-mail or phone me.  Spread the word!

BTW, my new call just showed up in the daily mods to the FCC database... I believe
it's legal to use it as long as it's there.  Anyone know for sure?

73,
Colin R. Wright (ex-AD4HJ [maybe...]), AA0YT
[e-mail]
Arnold, MO


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 20 Meter CW receiver question !
Date: 4 Aug 1995 01:08:18 GMT
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BUDDY10 ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I have purchased a 20 meter CW practice receiver for W1AW code
: practice(cost about $50.00).  It does not come with an antenna.  Could i
: use a piece of #12 copper thhn wire as an antenna ?  How long should the
: wire be ?

   Just make it as long as necessary.  :-)  A few feet will be just fine
in most cases.  The length of the wire isn't really critical for a
receiver - it become much more relevent for a transmitter.  Just be
warned that more is not necessarily better.  If you're using the
receiver I think you are, it's somewhat prone to front-end overload,
which essentially means that the receiver can become swamped by
strong signals, and its apparent sensitivity will decrease.


- Rich


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BOGus HTX 202 mod?!?!?!?!?!?
Date: 4 Aug 1995 01:10:19 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

: I found this filee on a bbs it  on a bbs I think it sounds to good to be true
: What's evreryone else think?  THX   tThanks in advancnce... JAs JAsonJAsonason KB8SFC

   It's an excellent method of providing RS with money, after they
fix your HT.

   There are no, none, zip, zero, nada mods for the HTX-202/404.  They're
designed that way for a very good reason - performance.  If you want
a GameBoy radio that will receive DC to daylight, you'll have to look
elsewhere.  :-)

- Rich


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (William Cely)
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Unsub info-hams William Cely



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Gianotti)
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Contact GALLS in Lexington, KY 800-477-7766.  They have a chest harness
for HTs that looks like exactly what you are wanting.  Price is right to.

 ________________________________________________________________________
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Emarit Ranu)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ham radio on Public Transit?
Date: 4 Aug 1995 03:54:45 GMT
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David Moisan ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I have never had any problems.  My friend even took his HT on the bus
: with a "fishing-pole" whip, and no one paid any mind.  I have been
: bus-mobile and trolley-mobile.  No problems.  (Surprisingly, I have
: been able to use the 145.23 repeater in Boston while underground on
: the Green Line.)

        Since when does the Green Line go under ground?  I was last
        in Boston in 1983 (okay, a long time ago) and the Green Line
        was the trolley while the rest of the lines were the subways?
        Gotta love Boston.


--
        -Emarit  73's   [e-mail]

        KG0CQ          _._  __.  _____  _._.  __._

        Packet:         KG0CQ@KF0UW.#NECO.USA.NOAM


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Gagnon)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack 2m amplifier
Date: 4 Aug 1995 04:49:47 GMT
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Howard Lester ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I have one - or should I say "the shop" has it right now. First of all,
: figure 2 watts in = 20 watts out (at 13.8v); .3 watts in = about 5 watts
: out.

OK, this gets a bit weird.  If I take an HTX-202, I can choose between 1
watt out or around 6-7 watts out.  Am I gonna fry it with 7 watts?  Seems
kind of dumb to get an amp that only lets me put in 1 watt and gives me
10 when I can get 7 without it.

: Why is it in the shop? I've owned it for three months and have hardly
: used it, but recently I discovered that, when the unit is on, receive
: capability in the 2-meter band is way, way down! OUTSIDE the 2-m band it
: still receives fine, so maybe the receive helical filter went TU. At
: least it's under warranty....

Are we talking about the same 5 year option that the radios get?  You'd
think that something as simple as an amp....

--
                                        >David<
David R. Gagnon, MD MPH                            [phone] [voice]
Boston University School of Public Health          [phone] [fax]
                            "ecrasez l'infamie"

       http://www-busph.bu.edu/Depts/Epi-Biostats/David_HomePage.html


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:21 1995
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From: Geoff Joy <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Interference IM  calc program required
Date: 4 Aug 1995 05:58:14 GMT
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"J. T. Mitchell" <[e-mail]> wrote:

..
>We the local radio club are installing a new repeater at ou local site
>and we will require an IM study.. We will be running about 8 repeaters
>and several point to point links from this site.
>The proble we have is the local Phone company and a majour site 0.6 Km
>from us.  They have over 300 different transmitters at this site.
>
>We are looking for a program to calculate 2,5,7, etc order harmoics.  the
>standard type stuff.  the only program we have is hard to use as it will
>not read data from a file for the input frequencys.
>
>Any one know of a good program and where I can get it.
>

I have written a DOS program that does what you need and more.
It's called INTERMOD and I can supply more information if
you e-mail your request to me at address above.

The program inputs data from the keyboard and saves the database to a
disk file.  The output can be directed to screen, disk file, or printer,
or all three at once.  It handles up to 1000 transmitters and 1000 receivers
and only prints out the hits that correlate against the receivers in the
database within a user-specified bandwidth.  It calculates 2-transmitter and
3-transmitter combinations and calculates harmonics.  Maximum default order
is 9th, but you can specify higher orders if you want to wait that long...
depends on your CPU speed and how old you are already :-)





From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ich bin ein dumme Ammie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ham radio on Public Transit?
Date: 4 Aug 1995 07:38:56 -0500
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Howdy.

I've been using my ht on public transportation for *Counts on fingers*
about 5 years or so now, and I've only had one or maybe two but no more
than that complaints. Even people sitting next to me never complain. Sh*t
fire, I even have people ask me what that is I'm using (Is that a
circular phone? Is that a CB? Is that a 2-meter radio?--yes, they really
have asked me that, even non-hams who were I guess acquainted with hams.)
It definitely passes the time; bus rides can be awful boring, especially
those long, cross-town ones.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV        | If you visit American city,
[phone] (Home)         | You will find it very pretty.
Internet: [e-mail]    | But two things of which you must beware:
[e-mail]    | Don't drink the water, and don't breathe the air. --Tom Lehrer


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (rwf)
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Subject: Atlanta Balloon Launch Update
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ATLANTA BALLOONATICS


Balloon #4 Mission Update as of Aug 4, 1995 at 12:00Z


As you probably know, last Saturday's balloon experiment (carrying a GPS,
packet radio, and ATV camera and transmitter)  was postponed due to weather.
It was rescheduled to Saturday August 5th.

Lots of bad weather is still passing through this area due to Hurricane Erin.  Many damaging thunderstorms occurred
 throughout last night.

A preliminary go/no go decision will be made this afternoon, around lunch time.
 I'll try to get the word out here as quickly as possible.

Bill Brown, WB8ELK, is almost a "local" now, living in Huntsville AL and has told us he will be attending this launch.

If you do not have EMAIL access at home, you can get an update from our info line at [phone].
The info on there at the moment is very stale, and I probably will not update
it until after 17:00Z. today.




   Ralph Fowler, N4NEQ                S.E.R.A. ATV Technical Advisor

   [e-mail]                                     Atlanta, GA USA
   Web:    http://www.mindspring.com/~rwf     for ATV, Balloon, and Ham info
   FTP:     ftp.mindspring.com/users/rwf            for ATV, GPS, APRS info
   ATV and GPS Balloon Flight coming up Aug 5th from Atlanta, GA
  APRS web page: http://www.mindspring.com/~rwf/aprs.html




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DORR DEPEW)
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Subject: Re: I PASSED THE TEST !!!
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In article <3vrdtk$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Scott H. Reed) writes:
> BUDDY10, [e-mail] writes:
>
>> I passed the 5wpm code test today !   It was actually fun.  I also copied
>> better at the test site(with all the noise) than I have in practice at
>> home.
>
>> P.S. Now to get ready for 13wpm !!!


ALL RIGHT!  Way to go, Buddy10!  You've passed the toughest hurdle, and
you found out that CW is FUN!!! ;-)

Keep your momentum going, and go on for the 13WPM soon.  Then, I'd
encourage you to get on 40 meter CW and enjoy it...20 will be a breeze
after you log a few months of operating time.  Hpe CU on 40.  73 es gl,

Dorr Depew
N4QIX



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Jessup)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Military Airbase interference with TV chs 10 & 12 ??
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:50:39 UNDEFINED
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I recently moved to a new home in the city of West Bend, WI, about
20 miles NNW of Milwaukee.  I'm on a bit of a hill overlooking a portion
of the city and there is a small Air National Guard base at the local
airport about 3 miles to the East of us.   Mostly helicopter traffic.

My wife just had to have the TV hooked up after the move so I just
put on some rabbit ears until we get cable.  Every once in a while,
Milwaukee TV channels 10 and 12 are completely wiped out by strong
interference.   Milwaukee TV channels 4, 6, 18, 24, 36 and 58 are not
affected.

This interference lasts for several minutes at a time and is NOT an
intermittent thing as with the "push-to-talk" switch on a microphone.
Recently,  I heard what sounded like ground-to-air military communication
while the video was wiped out.  The video interference usually looks like
gray-screen noise or massive horizontal sync problems.  Usually, there is
no audio heard.

I'm a licensed radio amateur and an engineer but am not too famiar with
military radar or military RF  nor have I ever lived this close to an airport.
Is the above problem typical?  I am aware that military aircraft RF is
assigned frequency spectrum near the television channels in question
(216 to 220 MHz, I think).  I really need to get a field strength meter and see
just how hard we are getting blasted.  ;-))  Maybe I'll borrow that  $25K IFR
spectrum analyzer from the lab here at work and take a look around
with that.

Please respond via Email.  Thanks.


--
[e-mail]                           Marquette Electronics, Inc
http://www.mei.com                                     Milwaukee, WI 53223 USA


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ham radio maritime mobile net freqs
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 11:10:06 GMT
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The East Coast Waterway Radio and Cruising Club meets daily on 6.268
Mhz from 0745 to approximately 0845 Eastern Time.  73 KN6WC

[e-mail] (Terrance King) wrote:

>I have surfed the net and not found a list of ham radio maritime mobile net
>freqs and times. Can anyone help? Thanks.

>Terry King




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:26 1995
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 > Since when does the Green Line go under ground?

The Green Line has been underground ever since they built Park Street
Station in the 1800s! In fact, it was the first underground subway in the
US.

Paul, AA1MI
former tourguide for "Boston by Foot"


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Wittich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Start up Costs
Date: 4 Aug 1995 11:23:48 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (D. Kelly) writes:
|> I am think about getting into the Ham radio world.  I was curious about
|> start up costs.  I know one can get carried away with such activities;
|> however, I would like to get a reasonable good system.  If someone could
|> advise, in general, on cost of Tx/Rec, antenna, etc it would be appreciated.
|> Also the identification of a responsible suplier in the Ottawa area would
|> be help full.
|>
|> I have contacted the government and they are sending me a package on
|> requirements, etc.
|>
|> The other thing that comes to mind is interference, not only for my
|> equipment but also for the neighbours (ie: TV, radio, stereos, etc).  Any
|> insight would be appreciated.

Hello Dennis.  Well, let's see... many folks at this point would tell
you the cost depends on what you want to do with ham radio.  Thats
because now-a-days hams are doing things that could only be dreamed
of just a few years ago.

Two of the things that hams do that you may want to get into are:
1.) Talk to people you don't know, all over the world.
2.) Talk to your friends and other local club members in a small
    area,  say a 30 mile radius.

The cost for number 1, using new equipment would range from about
$1,000 to $2,000 or so.  Yes, it can be done MUCH cheaper, but you said a resonably good system (subject to much interperatation).  This
investment would buy you a 100 watt radio and wire antennas.  There are
cheaper ways to go, and there are better ways to go (for bigger bucks)
but this would be a popular way to go.

The cost for talking to your friends locally (option 2) would be between
$200 and $600, depending on whether or not you live in a rural or
urban area.  If you are in an urban area, you could get away with a
handheld radio.  They are available starting at around $200 or so,
but they have a fairly short range.  (I'll explain short in a minute).
If you live in a rural area, you would prolly want a radio that is
intended to be mounted in a vehicle.  It is common to see them used
as base stations, but they are intended to be mobiles.  These units
typically put out about 40 or 50 watts, compared to 5 watts for a
handheld unit, but they cost more.

For local communications, we use something called repeaters.  They are
devices that receive your signal and re-transmit it over a range much
larger than your radio could cover by itself.  To effectively use a
handheld, you should be within about 8 or 10 miles of one of these
repeaters.  For a mobile, you would want to be within about 20 miles.
Some repeaters have larger coverage than others, and it is not
uncommon to have reliable communication between two mobiles separated
by 60 or 70 miles.

I hope this is the information you wanted,  and good luck.

73, Jeff - AC4ZO
--
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[e-mail]   *** CW ops let their fingers do the talking.
AC4ZO           *** BNR claims they know nothing of my employment here.
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Gunshannon)
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Subject: Re: CCR restrictions (was Re: Local Antenna Restrictions)
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In article <3vm785$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Hank Oredson) writes:
|>
|> You *are* a ham, right?
|>
|> Otherwise why would you take part in this discussion ...
|>
|> And you live right here in the Portland area, where it is almost
|> impossible to put up a tower (or any other form of antenna) because
|> of rules and regulations promulgated by bigots like yourself.
|>
|> Please go away and harass some other newsgroup.
|>

And you call him a bigot!!  Non-hams own houses too.  And a lot of them are
very concerned with aesthetics and how they affect their property values.

bill   KB3YV
       ^^^^^   See, I got one.

--
Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves
[e-mail]         |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton   |
Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Wittich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack 2m amplifier
Date: 4 Aug 1995 11:30:06 GMT
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In article <3vrds9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Gagnon) writes:
|> I have seen the 2 meter 30 watt amplifier and I was wondering if anyone
|> has any experience with it.
|>
|> It claims that input is 0.5-5 watts, and outputs 30.  Does this mean that
|> if you put in 1 watt, you still get out 30 or do you need to put in 5 to
|> get 30 out?

On the one I measured, 1 watt in gave about 18 watts out, and 5 watts
in put out about 26.

|> It seems like a reasonable way to get around buying a mobile unit.

Yes, it is, but be sure to FEED it properly.  None of these cigarette
lighter plugs.  The amplifier needs about 5 amps, and that requires
direct connection to the battery to avoid alternator noise on the
transmitted signal.

|> Thanks.

73, Jeff - AC4ZO
--
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[e-mail]   *** CW ops let their fingers do the talking.
AC4ZO           *** BNR claims they know nothing of my employment here.
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mick Ishmael)
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Subject: Re: (no subject)
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Date: 4 Aug 1995 12:29:20 -0700
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Horrock ([e-mail]) wrote:

: :John Dunbar ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : Hello,
: :
: : My name is John Dunbar (KE6WBO).
: : ( summary, I need a repeater)

: >I suggest you go to Ham Radio Outlet and get the ARRL repeater
: >directory...it'll fit in a pocket.
: >
: ------   John,  he means go buy a repeater directory, not go steal one!

: (hihi)

Not to mention that it doesn't take any room.<I need a new one too.>
OTOH I here Abbie Hoffman's _Steal_This_Book_ is about to be re-issued...:)
<what color is the new Repeater directory?>


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:32 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: NTS Digital MBO's
Date: 4 Aug 95 13:16:42 GMT
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Hi name is Tom in Versailles Mo.  I'm running Winlink and operate both Amtor
and Pactor.  Am looking for forwarding partners for NTS only messages.  If
interested, pls reply to this msg and leave your call, mode and freqs
scanned.
Thanks and looking forward to helping you move your traffic.
73 de Tom/N3PGG


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark A. Garrett)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Central Il Balloon Launch
Date: 4 Aug 1995 14:34:33 GMT
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The next Central Illinois Balloon Association (CIBA) high-altitude
balloon launch is scheduled for Saturday, August 5, 1995.  Launch time
for the helium filled 1200 gram balloon is set for approximately 9:00am
CDT from Washington, Illinois.  Estimated maximum altitude, 85,000 feet.
The payload will be equipped with a GPS receiver and TNC operating on the
APRS frequency of 145.790 mhz.  The input frequency for the cross band
repeater will be 146.490, with an output frequency of 446.025 mhz.  The
rain date is set for the following day, same time frame, same location.

A special event station is planned to operate one hour before launch
until touchdown using the call N9MSG on 7.235 mhz.

73's de Greg N9XHJ @ W9UVI


relayed to ham/misc by Mark, KA9SZX @ N9LNQ on Friday Aug 4, 1995

--
Mark Garrett   [e-mail]
               KA9SZX @ N9LNQ.#ECIL.IL.USA.NOAM


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:33 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: unsubscribe
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Thanks for all the great info over the past year I just want to take a short
break for awhile and will be back on the list again at some later point.
                         keep up the great work
                              73
                           Steve Terry NN1Y


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Hamel )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QRZ! CDROM and BSDI UNIX ??? HELP!
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Hello All --

We are running BSDI's unix on our system here and I tried to compile the QRZ
call book source code and it does not work....

Has anyone compiled under BSDI and had any luck...?

Thank you in advance for the help...

Please reply via Email - Thank you

Bill Hamel - KA3TFM - Internet: [e-mail]

'73


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>to infringe. It by no means lists all rights. The Declaration of Independence
>says our rights are endowed by our Creator, IE are natural rights, and are

I wonder: what legal status does the DoI hold? I mean, can one win in court
claiming that one's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness have
been infringed?

>Gary

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
Date: 4 Aug 1995 15:55:29 GMT
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In article <3vrcm1$[e-mail]>,
gregory brown <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Jerry B Altzman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Yes, he's happy, just as you're happy that there are Morse Code beepers and
>: Voice Box Squawkers with whom YOU can talk. What is the big deal? If Gary
>: doesn't want to talk with the morons on 14.313, will you take offense at
>: that?
>Well, "the morons on 14.313" wasn't quite what I meant by "the widest
>cross-section of hams".  I'm sorry if that's your interpretation.

Replace "the morons on 14.313" with "people on voice" if you like. Hyperbole
is one of my weak points.

>: Since when is the thrust of Amateur Radio to "improve the human condition"?
>Sorry, it just seems to me that "enhancing international goodwill" (a
>stated purpose of Amateur Radio) improves the human condition.  Silly
>me.

You may have a point there, I will concede. It's just that "improving the
human condition" seems to be a much wider field than just "enhancing
international goodwill".

>: Your argument is so specious and weak that you must resort to silly _ad
>: hominem_ attacks on Gary to further your silly point.
>What ad-hominem attack?  I suggested that Gary is proccupied with
>superior technology.  That IS true, isn't it?  If not, what the heck
>has he been talking about?

Sigh. You wrote:

>I've enjoyed your recent posts, Gary.  They do a good job of giving
>people a peak at your fundamental mind-set and remind all of us that
>those _concerned_ with "superior technology" and "progress" advance the
>human condition, while those _obsessed_ with it sometimes have little
>regard for how it might impact people in the present.

I took the last line (about "obsessed") as being an _ad hominem_ attack on
Gary.

>: I mean, we communicate via computer over
>: Usenet, why is that so much different than ham radio?
>You really think it's the same???  That was a rhetorical question,
>right?

No, I mean, we comminicate via computer over Usenet, is it so different when
we communicate via computer over ham radio? Besides, we can communicate well
in real-time via computer over radio, almost as well as voice (I do it quite
frequently, actually.), but not as well as fast-scan ATV with voice, and
certainly not as well as in person.

>Greg

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:37 1995
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From: Vester Scott <vester scott@ip@tmes>
Subject: Re: Antenna Painting
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I painted my NMO mount, base-loaded 2M 5/8 and 10M mobile antennas, including
whip, loading coil cove (the whole enchilada) flat black about six months ago.
My Bird says the VSWR was unchanged as a result, and signal reports continue
to confirm no problemo. I'd say go for it, but use reasonable judgement with
the paint ingredients. Don't use metallic-based paint over your loading coils,
for example. <grin>

-Vester (N8EKA)


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Abraham Stavsky)
Subject: Amateur Radio in the Middle East?
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If anyone has any information on amateur radio operation
and/or repeaters in Palestine (West Bank/Gaza), Jordan,
Egypt, Syria or Lebanon, such would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks very much.

Abe
KE6OCM
--
A. Stavsky, P.O. Box 351222, Los Angeles, CA  90035-1222


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:39 1995
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:40 1995
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[e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman) wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>to infringe. It by no means lists all rights. The Declaration of Independence
>>says our rights are endowed by our Creator, IE are natural rights, and are
>
>I wonder: what legal status does the DoI hold?

   None whatsoever.

>I mean, can one win in court
>claiming that one's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness have been infringed?

   No.  The current government of the United States is founded on the
Constitution, and is legally unrelated to any document preexisting the
Constitution, including the Declaration of Independence.

>
>>Gary
>
>//jbaltz
>jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
>[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz

-FM




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:56:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David J. Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I PASSED THE TEST !!!
Date: 4 Aug 1995 18:06:04 GMT
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Well, I got the 5 down in Feb.  The General code is easy if
you spend about 10-15 minutes a day on it.  The written is not
hard, but if you get a tough set you might not pass.  Congrats
on the license.


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:22:55 1995
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From: Angus MacGuyver <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONES ONE NUMBER!!!
Date: 5 Aug 1995 20:43:10 GMT
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        Have you ever wondered about having two or more cellular phones
on one cellular number??  It is possible.  You can get special
programming software, and hardware, from me, to do this yourself.  If you
would rather not do the programming yourself, I can do it for you.  I can
program up to the very latest phones, as I have always been able to do.
Programming post 9340 phones is not a new thing for me.  I have been
supplying all programming software and the Loader chips for post 9340
programming for a quite some  time.  I support all of my software with
technical support over a voice line or over e-mail which ever you prefer.
Also my software is completely supported by printed instructions and
step-by-step programming information, unlike many other sources of such
software. If you are interested in more info on this subject, e-mail me
at [e-mail]  I will then give you a voice number to talk to me
personally to answer any questions you may have.


                               -MacGuyver.





From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:22:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Coller)
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}Subcarrier radio has another FM carrier multiplexed onto the standard
}broadcast, usually at about 67 KHz. This signal can then be detected and
}received with what is sometimes called an SCA adaptor. Some stations, for

SCA data systems offer up to 12 different"SCA'S" on space above a
standard stereo FM radio stereo codes.

Dave says-Jail the ones altering blacks' gov applications tagged below.

PS: BG's KKK bats a 1000 against Toledo's blacks entering nd.edu land!

 * TLX v3.10 * U of Notre Dame falls to KKK info against Toledo Blacks?

 * SLMR 2.1a * Blade faxed to stop BLACK scholarships??Ref OSU,Notre Dame
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:22:57 1995
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sub info-hams Rick Lehman



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:22:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ***PRO-CODE SUPPORTERS AHEAD IN WEB VOTING***
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 1995 22:37:15 +0100
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In article <pschleck.807734675@gonix>, [e-mail] (Paul W Schleck
KD3FU) wrote:

> In <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Raymond J. Sarrio) writes:
>
> >With over 200 votes in, the "don't drop code" votes are ahead by a 2 to 1
> >margin. The poll will last through August 11th. at web sit------>
> >
> >                     http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html.
>
> >All results posted in real time, and they can be cross tabulated by age
> >and license class. 73's Ray
>
> >--
> >Ray Sarrio Co.
> >http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html
>
>
> Umm, did it ever occur to you that one of the easiest ways to horribly
> skew a poll is to make the ongoing results public knowledge?  Even
> examples of an admittedly flawed political process like Usenet newsgroup
> creation votes have the good sense to keep the intermediate results
> confidential.
>
> Why?  Because knowing that a given vote is either going your way or not
> will affect your participation, and possibly your vote.  For a poll to
> have any value, it must reflect a statistically valid random sample of
> the population you wish to survey and must reasonably reflect their
> opinions taken in an unbiased context without undue subjective
> influences.
>
> I assume you are running these polls because you want to add some
> documentary evidence to the policy debates here on this newsgroup.  If
> you want these polls to be taken more seriously, you need to run them a
> bit more scientifically.  A good start would be to hide the results
> until the end of the polling period.
>
> --
> 73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU
> [e-mail]
>
> http://www.gonix.com/pschleck/

Paul,I never claimed that this poll was scientific, and keeping the
results hidden will not make the poll suddenly scientific. No poll can be
considered  scientific,in which the participants are self-selected. Many
magazines, newspapers, and TV news programs ask people to participate in
self-selecting "therefore nonscientific" write-in and call-in polls. CNN,
Redbook,Comsumer Reports,and heck even QST,have asked people to
participate in such nonscientific surveys.

Come to think of it Paul,the FCC itself has a comment period before they
make a rules change. This happened just recently with W5YI's proposal to
ban HF one-way broadcasts. One reason the FCC does this,is to get some
feel of how their policy change will be received before it's
implemented.Infact,the ARRL just recently asked its membership to flood
the FCC with comments opposing W5YI"s petition. Would those comments
"scientifically" reflect the overall view of the ham community??? Yet the
FCC will take those comments into accounts when setting policy on this
issue.

Tell me Paul,has the ARRL, CQ mag.,73 mag., or any ham club for that
matter, ever committed the money necessary to conducted a "scientific
poll" of the ham community on a ham related issue? Paul,The lesson here
is, that important decisions are made all the time by policy makers,
without the help of a scientific poll. Often, all they have to go on, are
their own gut level feelings to support their decisions.

Each person can decide for him/her self how much value they want place on
the results of the Ham Poll. Rest assured Paul,the ham community will have
no "scientific polls" to consider in determining where hams stands on a
given issue. As usual, the only data available will be the comments one
picks up at hamfests and club meetings. Just as valuable,in my opinion,
and an additional piece of data to consider, would be the results of the
Ham Poll. After all, if its good enough for the ARRL and the FCC to gather
information in that manner, it's good enough for me! At least in our poll
you'll find out how age, and license class, affected the poll results.
73's Ray

--
Ray Sarrio Co.
http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:00 1995
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Date:  6 Aug 95 18:44:35 GMT
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From: [e-mail] (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
Organization: Greater Omaha Public Access Unix
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ***PRO-CODE SUPPORTERS AHEAD IN WEB VOTING***
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio) writes:

>With over 200 votes in, the "don't drop code" votes are ahead by a 2 to 1
>margin. The poll will last through August 11th. at web sit------>
>
>                     http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html.

>All results posted in real time, and they can be cross tabulated by age
>and license class. 73's Ray

>--
>Ray Sarrio Co.
>http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html


Umm, did it ever occur to you that one of the easiest ways to horribly
skew a poll is to make the ongoing results public knowledge?  Even
examples of an admittedly flawed political process like Usenet newsgroup
creation votes have the good sense to keep the intermediate results
confidential.

Why?  Because knowing that a given vote is either going your way or not
will affect your participation, and possibly your vote.  For a poll to
have any value, it must reflect a statistically valid random sample of
the population you wish to survey and must reasonably reflect their
opinions taken in an unbiased context without undue subjective
influences.

I assume you are running these polls because you want to add some
documentary evidence to the policy debates here on this newsgroup.  If
you want these polls to be taken more seriously, you need to run them a
bit more scientifically.  A good start would be to hide the results
until the end of the polling period.

--
73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU
[e-mail]

http://www.gonix.com/pschleck/


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: ***PRO-CODE SUPPORTERS AHEAD IN WEB VOTING***
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio) writes:
>
>Tell me Paul,has the ARRL, CQ mag.,73 mag., or any ham club for that
>matter, ever committed the money necessary to conducted a "scientific
>poll" of the ham community on a ham related issue? Paul,The lesson here
>is, that important decisions are made all the time by policy makers,
>without the help of a scientific poll. Often, all they have to go on, are
>their own gut level feelings to support their decisions.

In fact, the ARRL *did* commission and pay for a professional poll,
just prior to the code test free Technician licensing change. That's
where the numbers you see bandied about the net on the relative
percentages of users of the various modulation encodings come from.
The ARRL leadership has never released the full results of that
poll, just bits and pieces, but there's little doubt that it has
been used internally to shape ARRL policies.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Pieter van De Kerk)
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Subject: Address of ES1WN
Date: 6 Aug 1995 05:08:19 GMT
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I did it!  I worked Estonia.  On 20 watts with a piece of FM TV tape as my
antenna.  Would anyone out there have an address to QSL to ES1WN, August,
in Tallinn? Thank you very much!
[e-mail], KE6GXD
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:03 1995
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[e-mail] (David Pieter van De Kerk) wrote:
> Would anyone out there have an address to QSL to ES1WN, August,

 The GoList shows ES1WN qsl manager is ES1AX.  That's whose address
 you need to find.  His address is:

  August Parn
  P.O. Box 1649
  Tallinn, EE-0006
  Estonia

  ES1WN is a club call.

   73 de Jack, N9ICE @ WB9SYK-1.IN
   [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:03 1995
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Subject: Re: Antenna Painting
Date: 6 Aug 1995 09:02:57 GMT
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I don't think the paint would have any effect. However, if your going to
have to use that long a run of coax, by all means use the lowest loss
coax you can find. Unfortunately, that equates to the most expensive.

                        73, Jim WB6LWS in Pacifica, Ca



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary V. Parzy)
Subject: Antique Radio Meet (WNY Buffalo area)
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                 Niagara Frontier Wireless Association
                       Antique Radio Swap Meet
                          August 12 1995
                         Amherst Museum
                        8:30 AM - 3:00 PM

     This is a joint meet with the A.W.A. All are invited, to enjoy this
     yearly summer meet on the grounds of the beautiful Amherst Museum,
     located in suburban Buffalo NY.

     Contest catagories are:
                             1   Novelty Radios
                             2   Multi Box Radios
                             3   Any Speaker (horn or cone)
                             4   Homebrew Radios
                             5   Radio Advertising
     There will be 2 auctions:

                             A donation auction
                             80 lots from the collection of John Meyers
                             who is no longer with us.

     Our speaker will be Bruce Kelley (AWA) topic Enigma Machine.
     The N.F.W.A. museum exhibit will also be open. Coffee,donuts
     soda and hotdogs are available during the meet.

     FEE: $3.00      No extra fee to sell!!!!!! Spouse $2.00
     This fee includes all museum displays for the day.

     Directions: Fron NYS Thruway (Buffalo) take exit 49 take RT 78
                 ( Transit Rd. ) north 9 miles. Turn west on
                 Tonawanda Creek Rd. and continue for 2 miles
                 to New Rd. YOU ARE THERE. Motels at exit #49.
                 for more info call Larry Babcock 716-741-3082
                 or E-mail here [e-mail]


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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (rwf)
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Subject: Atlanta Balloon Flight Synopsis
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 23:30:50 -0400
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On August 5th, 1995, after a 1 hour weather hold,our balloon was launched
from Crossroads Elementary School near Dallas, GA.   Bill Brown (WB8ELK) and
his girlfriend were there to lend a hand.

We even had an unplanned experiment: "Ants in Space" (with apologies to Gerry Creager's cows).  Someone had set the
GPS payload down on an anthill, and we were going to have the first amateur
"Antronauts". :(

At liftoff, something caused the bottom payload (the GPS/TNC/TEKK Radio) to separate from the flight train.
This caused the balloon to ascend with only the ATV payload, Radar reflector,
parachute, and 10 and 2 meter beacons.

Those payloads worked flawlessly, and the fox hunters DF'ed the balloon with the aid of APRS and manual beam
headings, handi finders and Doppler units. A local fellow has a Company
(Directional Systems) that makes a NICE Doppler unit.

After a two hour flight, the package landed on a farm, in a 100 ft high Sweet Gum tree.  The farmer tried to shoot down the
package for us with a rifle, but couldn't get all the strings. His son fi
nally felled the tree and we cut it up into logs and stacked it for him.  The
payloads, including the video with servo controlled moving mirror all worked
while the balloon was in the tree and during the tree felling.

By the way, the first person to the balloon was WB8ELK.  I know telemetry was received in Huntsville by KE4EER.
Any one else receive our beacons?


We'll post some images on the web site soon. And I will post the HST file of the DFing activities as well.


We have 1 balloon and 1 tank of helium left, so we'll fly it again soon (ALL of it, I hope)



For more details about this project, as well as telemetry decoding charts-
see the WWW address listed below


   Ralph Fowler, N4NEQ                S.E.R.A. ATV Technical Advisor

   [e-mail]                                     Atlanta, GA USA
   Web:    http://www.mindspring.com/~rwf     for ATV, Balloon, and Ham info
   FTP:     ftp.mindspring.com/users/rwf            for ATV, GPS, APRS info

  APRS web page: http://www.mindspring.com/~rwf/aprs.html





From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (rwf)
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Subject: Atlanta Balloon- Sorry wrong date
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 00:03:35 -0400
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Sorry-  the launch date is Saturday August 5th  with a raindate of Sunday
August 6th.  I mis posted that it was the 4th and 5th


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (rwf)
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Subject: ATV and Packet on Balloon 8/4/95
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 23:59:09 -0400
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Yes!!  It looks like a GO




Atlanta Balloon Update as of 3 August 1995:

All equipment for all packages on hand.
Payloads modules tested.  Final integration complete.
Launching from Crossroads, GA. (NW of Dallas)


ATLANTA BALLOONATICS

Balloon #4 Mission Status

DATE/TIME
            :   Saturday  August 4th       or   Sunday  August 5th
            :   Release 0930EDT (1330Z)        0930EDT (1330Z)
            :   Weather conditions will control exact time of release


RELEASE SITE:

     :   Crossroads Elementary School, North of Dallas, GA
          WB8ELK  (Bill Brown) will be in attendance
     :   Coordinates 3400.48N  08446.12W

      :   Payload weight : 2.27kg (5-pounds)
      :   Balloon        : TOTEX TA-1200
      :   Helium         :  180 cu ft.
      :   Ascent rate    : 750 fpm
      :   Max altitude   : 110,000ft
      :   Max radio range: 640km (400sm)


FREQUENCIES
AND MODES

            :       Packet Radio Downlink     441.0 MHz  2W
            :       Retransmitted from ground into APRS net on
                      145.79 MHz and on 10.151 MHz LSB
            :       Standard AX.25 1200BPS AFSK FM
            :       Sending  APRS-compatible NMEA-183 GPS navigation data
            :       No Open digipeating.  No receiver.  Don't try.

            :       Altitude & Temperature telemetry on:
                    146.575 MHz ,  28.322 MHz , &  438.5 MHz (wide band TV
                    audio)

            :       B&W ATV camera with 1 watt AM transmitter on 434.0 MHz


            :       All antennas vertically polarized


EXPERIMENTS :   More experiments in BASIC stamp control of balloon payloads.
                               Basic Stamp controlled servo/mirror for multiple camera views.
                               1 12 bit altimeter and 2 8 bit temperature sensors (inside and outside)
                                data will be sent as CW on the 10 and 2 meter frequencies


For more details about this project, as well as telemetry decoding charts-
see the WWW addreess listed below






   Ralph Fowler, N4NEQ                S.E.R.A. ATV Technical Advisor

   [e-mail]                                     Atlanta, GA USA
   Web:    http://www.mindspring.com/~rwf     for ATV, Balloon, and Ham info
   FTP:     ftp.mindspring.com/users/rwf            for ATV, GPS, APRS info
   ATV and GPS Balloon Flight coming up August 4th from Atlanta, GA
  APRS web page: http://www.mindspring.com/~rwf/aprs.html





From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:10 1995
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From: Tim Wright <[e-mail]>
Subject: Auto patch and 911
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I am an E-911 dispatcher and a ham with the following concern.
A lot of repeaters in the US have an auto patch but not patched repeaters
allow direct access to dial 911 in an emergency.

In my area of East Central Kentucky, we have 3 repeaters I feel are local
ana of these 3, only 2 have auto patch and only 1 is open to dial 911 in
an emergency.  The other repeater owner requires that you belong to his click
and pay for total access to the repeater.  Its an open repeater and is a
great repeater in its coverage area.

I feel very strongly on this that it should be a mandated requirement
that if your repeater has auto patch then anyone with an emergency should
be able to dial 911 or *911 to contact the 911 Emergency services and #
to end the call.

What can you do as repeater owners to help in this matter.  The next time
I drive through your area and need to report a wreck, I hope your not
involved and your repeater has a open 911 call access.

73

Tim Wright  KD4OVM

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (rwf)
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Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 23:57:15 -0400
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Tim- You wrote:

>I feel very strongly on this that it should be a mandated requirement
>that if your repeater has auto patch then anyone with an emergency should
>be able to dial 911 or *911 to contact the 911 Emergency services and #
>to end the call.

My repeaters cover 6 Counties in Metro Atlanta.
It takes over 50 individual speed dials to allow users to contact the various
Sheriffs, County Police, City Police, State Patrol and National Park service
Departments that serve our communities.  We cover 3 area codes as well!

In your " mandate " ,  who do you suggest we call when 911 is entered?  Any
choice could be as far as 60 miles from the affected area.  We don't even
dial "911" in our home county because  the highly intelligent 911 operators
insist on sending police cars to the address of the repeater (even though
they are given the correct location of the problem)!  We dial the individual
10 digit numbers for the 911 equivalent for each area.

So you see,  the idea is good, I agree with you.  But repeaters covering large
Metro areas do have different requirements than repeaters in areas like yours.

By the way, the Repeater owners have pretty much standardized on ten
autodial codes that work on most repeaters.   0*0 will almost always get
you the Atlanta PD,  0*3, the Cobb County Police, etc..


Ralph Fowler  N4NEQ
Atlanta GA


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (CHRIS CONKLIN (N0PAV))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
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In article <[e-mail]>, Tim Wright <[e-mail]> writes:
> I am an E-911 dispatcher and a ham with the following concern.
> A lot of repeaters in the US have an auto patch but not patched repeaters
> allow direct access to dial 911 in an emergency.

> I feel very strongly on this that it should be a mandated requirement
> that if your repeater has auto patch then anyone with an emergency should
> be able to dial 911 or *911 to contact the 911 Emergency services and #
> to end the call.

Strong Suggestion- yes.  Requirement- heck no!

Although (thank God) we have few problems in general with people abusing the
repeaters in our area but we had to pull the 911 support due to abuse.

After a couple of unidentified calls, with nothing but dead air and irritated
E911 operators, we decided *not* to have our free phone line pulled by its
sponsor because of followup calls from the dispatchers.

So now the "code" to speedial the E911 switchboard is not the standard 911 or
*911, and is only told to responsible licensed individuals- and is *not* given
out on the air for any imbicule to play with.

It takes several people, and a lot of time to make a good system work- but only
one schmuck and a few seconds to really screw it up.

========================================================================
Christopher Conklin
Public Policy Masters Student: University of Northern Iowa
Net:[e-mail]

Amateur Radio voice: 444.650Mhz n0pav/rpt
========================================================================


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John LaMartina)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Date: 6 Aug 1995 10:56:52 -0400
Organization: Keystone Information Access Systems
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Tim Wright ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I feel very strongly on this that it should be a mandated requirement
                                     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ??
: that if your repeater has auto patch then anyone with an emergency should
: be able to dial 911 or *911 to contact the 911 Emergency services and #
: to end the call.

: What can you do as repeater owners to help in this matter.  The next time

                   <<<<<  Get the facts first  >>>>>

: I drive through your area and need to report a wreck, I hope your not
: involved and your repeater has a open 911 call access.
: Tim Wright  KD4OVM
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

MANDATED REQUIREMENT ?  Seemd like a good idea, but let's not go overboard.

An open 911 autopatch is an excellent idea, until abused !
Our area has experienced late night prank calls and abuses of open 911.
Guess who is responsible...  It's the repeater owner/club.
It's our phone number that shows up at 911, not the callers.
One local club was forced to take its autopatch off the system because
  of open 911 misuse and prank calls.

If I pay for, install, maintain and assume full responsibility for my
  or my club's equipment and its misuse, if it occurs, then we as
  repeater owners should be able to oversee its use, and control its
  autopatch operation as we see fit.

If you need to make a 911 call, ask someone on frequency to dial it up
  for you.  I've never heard an emergency call refused.

Before asking everyone to unite for mandating what others should do,
  find out what goes on on the other end of the 911 autopatch call.

Don't come into my house and mandate how I should arrange my furniture.

Sorry, but you hit a nerve here !

     -= 73 =-  john  k3nxu   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John LaMartina)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Date: 6 Aug 1995 11:11:20 -0400
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Tim Wright ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I am an E-911 dispatcher and a ham with the following concern.
: A lot of repeaters in the US have an auto patch but not patched repeaters
: allow direct access to dial 911 in an emergency.

: In my area of East Central Kentucky, we have 3 repeaters I feel are local
: ana of these 3, only 2 have auto patch and only 1 is open to dial 911 in
: an emergency.  The other repeater owner requires that you belong to his click
: and pay for total access to the repeater.  Its an open repeater and is a
: great repeater in its coverage area.

: Tim Wright  KD4OVM
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Are you saying that this repeater owner has spent thousands of dollars on
antennae, duplexers, and equipment and that it's an open repeater,
yet you don't think it's appropriate to ask for compensation if you
want to use some of the extra features ?

Have you ever thanked him for letting you use the rest of his system for free.

john k3nxu


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Barry Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Date: 6 Aug 1995 18:00:26 GMT
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My repeater organization has been under the impression that it is a law that
if you have a phone patch you must have access to 911.

Barry Rose


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Leon D. Zetekoff)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Date: 7 Aug 1995 11:20:59 GMT
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Tim Wright ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I am an E-911 dispatcher and a ham with the following concern.
: A lot of repeaters in the US have an auto patch but not patched repeaters
: allow direct access to dial 911 in an emergency.

: I feel very strongly on this that it should be a mandated requirement
: that if your repeater has auto patch then anyone with an emergency should
: be able to dial 911 or *911 to contact the 911 Emergency services and #
: to end the call.

Our repeater here in Coral SPrings supports this as well as other *9xx
#'s to local law enforcement. Other repeaters here in South Florida have
a similar deal.

73 Leon


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Date: 7 Aug 1995 17:54:15 GMT
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 We too had/have problems with 911 calls on wide area repeater.
No phone lines at site so 220 link is used for patch. This puts the phone line
in county area. The county & and City have different 911 dispatch locations.
If some one hangs up or gets timed out (3 minutes), a Deputy is dispatched to
the home where the phone line is listed. He knocks on the door until the ham
ther wakes up or leaves a note if he's not home.
  Try as we will we can't get either 911 office to put permanent note
saying what that phone line is. It is a second line to that hams home.
  This repeater covers an additional 5 or 6 counties.
We have speed dials programed in but the speed dials are only known to
the approx 450 members.
 Even when the operator tells 911 that it's radio phone if the patch is dropped
 (many times it takes so long for 911 to get right enity on line that the
3 minute timeout takes over) the 911 operator dials back on that line and
gets nothing. So again the deputy is dispatched.
  Anyway we tell our members to use patch for 911 only if there is no one else
to handle the call.

  John, N0KIC, Membership Chair, PPFMA (Pikes Peak F M Assn)



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Molina)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CCR restrictions (wa
Date: Fri,  4 Aug 1995 21:02:00 GMT
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SW>: Point three.  Safty.  I can provide pictures of towers and antennas
SW>: that are falling down.  I beleive that the city of Orange made
SW>: someone clean up the roof, as parts of the antennas where falling
SW>: onto the freeway.  This ham more than likly NEVER did any periodic
SW>: inspections on these antennas.  CC is the most important thing that
SW>: hams can do.  As the posts above indicate, a short sighted pattern
SW>: of thought can lead to disaster.  Wind is not the only enemy to
SW>: antennas.  I will not go into detail about all of the bad things
that ca
SW>: n happen due to bad CC practice.
SW>
SW>First. What does CC mean?

CC is Corrosion Control.

SW>: I don't live there anymore, I live in a dorm at Edwards AFB in
SW>: California.  I can't have antennas, but I feed my ham radio habbit
SW>: with lots of 1200 Mhz DX accross the desert.  Thanks to everyone
SW>: for expressing ideas, showing how diverse ham radio really is.
SW>Good job!
SW>: 73
SW>: Jeff Stillinger - KB6IBB
SW>[e-mail]
SW>73's de Steve KA6S


Been there, done that.  I've also done the standard "hidey hole"
antennas.  Slinky antennas work.  Other options include a folded dipole
inside a PVC pipe, base-loaded verticals disguised as flagpoles attached
to the window ledge, and the "invisible" dipole made out of magnet wire.
I operated that way for one whole semester at NMSU.  I've even done the
"load up the window screen and desk" thing.  It's not efficient, but it
is better than nothing.

Tom, WR5Z

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:19 1995
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From: Harold Lines <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: CCR restrictions (was Re: Local Antenna Restrictions)
Date: 6 Aug 1995 07:28:15 GMT
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There's another thing to consider when you talk about CCRs, and that's
the enforcement.  When I bought my house here in Glendale, AZ (adjacent
to Phoenix, 10 years ago), I had to sign a paper that kept me from
installing outside antennas.  The paper talked about a governing board in
my development that would meet periodically and regulate what went on in
the area.  Well, of course, once the developers had sold all the houses,
they took the money and ran away, and our development never did come up
with a governing board.  After I lived there for a couple of years, I put
up an 80 meter dipole, and no one said anything.  I put up a 2 meter
Isopole a year later, and apart from one neighbor's question ("What is
that thing, anyway?"), no one said anything.  I could probably put up a
tower and a tribander, if I wanted to, but I'm getting ready to move, so
it's not worth the money.  I'll move out into an area regulated by the
County, where there are probably no CCRs (I hope).

Of course, there's no way of telling how the CCRs will be enforced when
you buy your house, but you might just luck into a situation like mine.
Try putting up a couple of antennas and see if anyone says something.
You might just be pleasantly surprised.

 - Harold
   KC7SZ



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Monninger)
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Subject: Re: CCR restrictions (was Re: Local Antenna Restrictions)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 20:33:29 MST
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In article <401quf$[e-mail]> Harold Lines <[e-mail]> writes:
> ...
>Of course, there's no way of telling how the CCRs will be enforced when
>you buy your house, but you might just luck into a situation like mine.
>Try putting up a couple of antennas and see if anyone says something.
>You might just be pleasantly surprised.

I live across town from Harold (in Gilbert, AZ) and I have a similar
situation. There are CC&R's prohibiting the normal things but there was no
enforcement written into them, no board or homeowner's association...only a
civil suit and the loser pays all costs. There were several TV antennas in the
neighborhood already so I put up my vertical on the roof. No one said
anything.  I now have three antennas up and a 8.5 ft TVRO dish. No one has
said anything in 6 years so I figure I'm safe. At one time the mayor lived
across the street, the town manager lived next door, and a couple town
councilmen lived in the neighborhood, too.

No one pays any attention to the CC&R's any more and, amazingly enough, the
neighborhood has not gone to hell in a handbasket. Property values have
steadily risen (could it be the LACK of CC&R enforcement? Perish the thought!)
and houses put on the market sell faster than average. I don't know how the
neighbors would feel about a nice tower & beam, but I don't have the money or
real desire to have one anyway.

On the other hand, most of the newer ticky-tacky developments in the area have
the standard bull(chicken-?)shit CC&R's and gestapo HA's to go with them. I
guess we just lucked out.

73...    Mark   AA7TA


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dennis D. Kromer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DLARC Hamfest (Lehigh Valley, PA)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 95 19:36:44 GMT
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The Deleware-Lehigh ARC will hold its annual hamfest on Sunday, August 13,
1995, at the Career Institute of Technology, in Easton, PA.  The doors open at
8 AM to the public (Vendor Set-up 5 AM).  It will be held rain or shine.
Admission is $4.00. For vendors- Tailgaiting $7.00, Indoor Tables $25.00.
Full Breakfast and sancks available.  The facility is handicapped accessible.
There will be Forums, Door Prizes, DXCC Field Checking, Electrical Safety
Demo, Electronic Test Bench, and VE Examinations (two sessions 10AM & 1:30 PM.
- no preregistration, first come-first serve with sign up sheet, space
limited, MUST have photo ID and original license and any CSCE's)
ARRL Sanctioned.  Talk-In on 146.70 rpt.

Info available from DLARC answering machine at [phone].

D. Kromer KR3U


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ron angle)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DX news
Date: 5 Aug 1995 06:32:16 GMT
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Could someome please suggest the best online locations for DX news.
Lacking packet capability, I am trying to find the equivlent of
the packet dx cluster online. Help would be appreciated. Who knows,
the solar flux might actually break 100 now and then this winter.
ron ab6zx
chico ca






From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:22 1995
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From: Gary Stone <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: DX news
Date: 5 Aug 1995 14:56:42 GMT
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[e-mail] (ron angle) wrote:
>Could someome please suggest the best online locations for DX news.

Check out:   http://www.clinet.fi/~jukka/webcluster.html

Follow the link to a "real time" :-) DX packet cluster.  I have found it
to be great.

73 de N5PHT

Gary



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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:23 1995
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From: Frank Donovan <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: DX news
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 09:06:56 -0400
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Suggest you try the Potomac Valley Radio Club home page!  It has links to
all of the (known) DX and contest related sites worldwide.  If there are
any missing, please send a note to the manager of the site, K3SA
The URL is:  http://www.access.digex.net/~k3sa/pvrc.html
73!
Frank
W3LPL
[e-mail]


On 5 Aug 1995, ron angle wrote:

> Could someome please suggest the best online locations for DX news.
> Lacking packet capability, I am trying to find the equivlent of
> the packet dx cluster online. Help would be appreciated. Who knows,
> the solar flux might actually break 100 now and then this winter.
> ron ab6zx
> chico ca
>
>
>
>
>
>


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
Subject: Re: FAQ for this group???
Message-ID: <pschleck.807631274@gonix>
Sender: [e-mail] (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Organization: Greater Omaha Public Access Unix
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 14:01:14 GMT
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In <3vpp6p$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jerry Wang) writes:



>Is there a FAQ for this newsgroup?  I've been reading for about a month
>and never came across a FAQ.  Maybe someone will volunteer to create one?
>Jerry
>KE6UUX

There was an FAQ, but it is now moribound.  For it to continue, someone
needs to take it over and probably do a substantial rewrite, but
considering the degree of apathy on this newsgroup (and the fact that
many just want to fight and argue and not make constructive
contributions to the hobby), I wouldn't hold my breath (I welcome the
opportunity to be proven wrong, though).

Here is the relevant entry from my Amateur Radio Elmers Resource
Directory:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Joe Nobody  N0CALL

[e-mail]

rec.radio.amateur.misc Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

Available from:

http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/radio/ham-radio/faq/top.html
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.answers/radio/ham-radio/faq/
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/radio/ham-radio/faq/

Currently the posting of these articles have been suspended indefinitely
(and will probably be removed from the above sites shortly).  New
editors are being actively sought to take over maintenance of the above
resources and keep them from disappearing from the net permanently.  As
with any volunteer effort, new volunteers are often needed.  We need new
editors to post the above FAQ's.  Preferably this should be someone who
has enthusiasm for hobbyist radio, experience with Usenet, and the
ability to work with the other editors.  No single person can know all
the various aspects of these diverse hobbies so the editorial review
groups are intended to make a greater combination of experience.  A new
maintainer is desired at this time to provide a fresh outlook as well as
the opportunity to train new volunteers and avoid overreliance on a
small group of people.

The FAQ's were posted with the auto-faq software, which is written in
Perl (see Paul Schleck's entry).  So it would be a plus for volunteers
to post the FAQ to have Perl installed on their system and be able to
use "cron" or "at" so that postings can go unattended.

With widespread net acceptance and use of the World-Wide Web, it might
be desirable to rewrite the FAQ as a minimal "pointer" article with URL
links.  Such a minimal FAQ would reduce maintenance burdens, ward off
criticism of the document for being "too big," and could be maintained
as Hypertext Markup Language (HTML) at a WWW site, then "dumped" to an
ASCII file for posting to news (to cover users who don't use WWW, as
well as to actually feed a couple of automated FTP, Gopher, and WWW
sites; see the companion posting to this file, "Amateur Radio: Elmers
List Info and Administrivia" for more information).

Anyone who wants to make their contribution to the Net as a volunteer
should contact the Elmers Directory maintainer at
[e-mail].

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

--
73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Homingin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Foxhunt at HAMCON-95 in Long Beach
Date: 6 Aug 1995 17:00:23 -0400
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Planning on going on the traditional hidden transmitter hunts at the 1995
Southwestern Division ARRL Convention on the Queen Mary during Labor Day
weekend?  You'll need some direction-finding gear, but you won't need a
car for the hunt this time.  That's because HAMCON-95 will feature the
first international-rules foxhunt ever staged in California, with hundreds
of dollars in cash prizes available for the winners!  It's all on foot, no
vehicles allowed.

HAMCON/Foxhunt-95 will be the last event of the convention, beginning
early Sunday afternoon (September 3) at an outdoor venue not far from the
Queen Mary.  It will be open to anyone of any age who has registered at
the convention.  Families are welcome, but all entrants will compete
independently (no assistance allowed) and each entrant must bring his or
her own RDF equipment.  All transmitters will be on two-meter FM.  Similar
to IARU competitions, there will be separate divisions for various age
groups.  The Southern California Six Meter Club is organizing this event.

I will be posting more details about HAMCON/Foxhunt-95 and techniques for
international-style foxhunting to packet BBS's, the Internet, and on-line
services.  There will also be information on what RDF equipment works well
on this kind of hunt.  You may have almost everything you need now.

Get your on-foot T-hunting gear ready.  Have some practice hunts in your
back yard.  Register now for HAMCON-95 and plan to arrive at the Queen
Mary early.  There will be a forum session at 9 AM Saturday on how
international-rules foxhunting is done, presented by hams who have
participated in multi-nation competitions.  Register for Sunday's Grand
foxhunt after the forum.  Then practice your foxhunting techniques by
finding the many two-meter mini-T's and micro-T's that will be scattered
around the convention area.

See you at HAMCON-95.

73 de Joe Moell  K0OV

Packet:  K0OV@WB6YMH.#SOCA.CA.USA
Internet:  [e-mail]
CompuServe:  75236,2165




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:28 1995
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        FORSALE:

        Uniden PRO501XL Citizens Band Radio, comes with Radio Shack Magnetic
roof anntenna,  This is a mobile unit and needs to be pluged into a
cig lighter.  The CB is in minit condition, It has 1 or 2 minor
scratches at the most. $25,  Buyer pays for shipping.



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham Radio & More - hr&m.txt [01/01]
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 95 03:33:39 GMT
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This Sunday, 8/13/95, Greg Jones, WD5IVD, will be the special guest. Greg is
the President of TAPR, the group credited with developing much of packet as we
know it today, especially the TNC-2. There's the upcoming TAPR Convention and
much more discuss, including TAPR's involvement in Phase 3D, what's new at
TAPR, digital advancements and more this Sunday on Ham Radio & More. The show
airs live at 6:00pm ET on the Talk America Network.
More info on the home page, courtesy of the Boston Amateur Radio Club at:
http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc/ham-more.html
73, Len, KB7LPW
BEGIN -- Cut Here -- cut here
NEW AS OF 8-5-95
Ham Radio & More Station List:
The following list can change often....

Arkansas:   KNWA, 1600am, Bellefonte
            KELD, 1400am, Eldorado
Arizona:    KFNN, 1510am, Phoenix
            KVRD, 1600am, Prescott
            KVNA,  600am, Flagstaff
California: KNSN, 1290am, Chico
Connecticut:WATR, 1320am, Hartford
Florida:    WFFG, 1300am, Miami/Florida Keys
            WIPC, 1280am, Tampa/St. Pete
Georgia:    WGIG, 1440am, Brunswick
Illinois:   WKTA, 1330am, Chicago
            WBGZ, 1570am, Alton
            WTIM, 1410am, Taylorville
            WKEI, 1450am, Kewanee
Indiana:    WPDJ, 1300am, Huntington/Ft. Wayne
IOWA:       WKEI, 1450am, Davenport
Kansas:     KKLE, 1550am, Wichita/Winfield
Kentucky:   WMTA, 1380am, Central City
            WTTL, 1310am, Madisonville
Louisiana:  KGGM, 93.5fm, Monroe
            KEEL,  710am, Shreveport (50,000 watts)
Massach:    BOSTON CABLE CHANNEL 38B, BOSTON
            WNBH, 1340am, New Bedord/Providence
Michigan:   WMKT, 1270am, Traverse City/Cadillac
            WABJ, 1490am, Adrian
Missouri:   WBGZ, 1570am, St. Louis
            KNWA, 1600am, Springfield
            KSWM,  940am, Aurora
Mississippi:WSUH, 1420am, Oxford
Montana:    KDRG, 1400am, Butte/Deer Lodge
N. Carolina:WEEB, 990am,  Fayetteville
            WCRY, 1460am, Raleigh/Durham
            WSKY, 1230am, Greenville/Spartanburg
            WHKY, 1290am, Hickory
Nebraska:   KICS, 1550am, Hastings/Lincoln
New Mexico: KICA,  980am, Clovis
Ohio:       WIOI, 1010am, Charleston/New Boston
Oklahoma:   KTMC, 1400am, Tulsa/Mcalester
            KADS, 1240am, Oklahoma City
Oregon:     KBNP, 1410am, Portland
Penn:       WJMW,  550am, Scranton/Wilkes Barre
S. Carolina:WPCC, 1410am, Clinton
            WJMX,  970am, Myrtle Beach/Florence
            WDAR, 1350am, Darlington
Texas:      KIVY, 1290am, Crockett/Paddington
Utah:       K26EM,Channel 26, TV, Emery County-Castledale
Vermont:    WSYB, 1380am, Rutland
Wisconsin:  WHBY, 1150am, GreenBay/Appelton
W. Virginia:WWNR,  620am, Bluefield/Beckley
            WNMR,103.9fm, Wheeling/New Martins
**********************************************************************************
**********************************************************************************
WWCR, 100,000 WATTS, ON TAPE DELAYED BASIS TWICE PER WEEK. WWCR 7.435Mhz, Midnight
(7.435)Eastern Time, every Sunday/Monday, and 5:00am Mondays Eastern Time.(7.435)
**********************************************************************************
**********************************************************************************

##################################################################################
     ALSO AVAILABLE ON TVRO SATELLITE on Spacenet 3, Transponder 9, 6.8 Audio.
##################################################################################
Ham Radio & More is on the Talk America Network. It is aired LIVE
every Sunday at 6:00pm Eastern Time, originating from Phoenix, Arizona.

Our toll free listener call-in line is 1-800-298-TALK. The
originating station number is 1-602-241-1510 for more
information.

Any radio station can air the show FREE OF CHARGE. Get your local
station to air the show by calling the program director asking them
to air the show. Faxes help, too. Again,there is NO CHARGE for the
station to air the show, so a lot of calls asking for the show
can really work.

Also, be sure to check out our WWW Home Page. It has information on
upcoming shows,reviews of past shows, and even theme music. It is
updated courtesy of the Boston Amateur Radio Club. Access it at:
http://www.oakland.edu/barc/ham-more.html

73, Len, KB7LPW
END -- Cut Here -- cut here

Len Winkler, KB7LPW                           [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                   [e-mail]
Phoenix, Az. 85068-9219
Ham Radio & More Show info at:
http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc/ham-more.html
Show also airs on WWCR shortwave, 7.435mhz, tape delayed,
Sunday/Monday at midnight and again at 5:00am Eastern Time.






From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ich bin ein dumme Ammie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham Radio On public Transportation
Date: 7 Aug 1995 10:56:45 -0500
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It was recently pointed out to me that, in my last post on this subject,
I forgot something very important. All Austin-type hams will probably
know the story; I know they do, or many do, because I'm always reminded
of it whenever I see people...

I did once get an ht stolen from me on a bus. However, I must point out
that this was due to my then overly trusting and generally nice-guy-type
demeanour, not to mention a bit of stupidity. I'm a lot more smarter now.
Briefly, this fellow got on the bus. The driver had gotten off the bus to
use the can. The guy walked up to me and said, "Say, is that a scanner?"
"No," I answered, "it's a ham radio." "Ah! Can I see it?" "Sure..."...I
guess he liked what he saw, because he didn't give it back after he
finished looking at it. The lesson here: Don't be so stupid and think
that people want to know about ham radio and hand them your radio. :-) If
you don't do anything stupid like that, chances are you'll keep your
radio. Since then, I always have. But, just in case, let me knock on this
fine wooden dresser over yonder.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV        | If you visit American city,
[phone] (Home)         | You will find it very pretty.
Internet: [e-mail]    | But two things of which you must beware:
[e-mail]    | Don't drink the water, and don't breathe the air. --Tom Lehrer


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Knowlton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hamradio demographics
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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-> JJ>Can anyone point me to a source (old or new) that would list
-> JJ>total number of hamradio operators by state and/or by country? JJ>
->
-> My copy of North American CallBook (1991 - kinda old) has two
-> listings (make that three listings). On Page 22A is a census
-> of US licensees by State and license class. On Page 23A is a

I'm not sure who the originator of this message is, but if this person
sees this, I have a current QRZ cd-rom and can look that up for you.
Email me at the below address...

========================================================================
Paul Knowlton, KE4GBS              | "I accidentally zipped PKUNZIP."
Snellville, Georgia                |
Advance Computer [phone]    |
[e-mail]    |
========================================================================

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Phone: [phone]                Snailmail: 4181 Wash Lee Ct.
Lilburn, GA 30247-7440


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:33 1995
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From: jkbe@zeus (John_Bednar)
Subject: Re: Hamradio demographics
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Paul Knowlton ([e-mail]) wrote:
: -> JJ>Can anyone point me to a source (old or new) that would list
: -> JJ>total number of hamradio operators by state and/or by country? JJ>
: ->
: -> My copy of North American CallBook (1991 - kinda old) has two
: -> listings (make that three listings). On Page 22A is a census
: -> of US licensees by State and license class. On Page 23A is a

: I'm not sure who the originator of this message is, but if this person
: sees this, I have a current QRZ cd-rom and can look that up for you.
: Email me at the below address...

: ========================================================================
: Paul Knowlton, KE4GBS              | "I accidentally zipped PKUNZIP."
: Snellville, Georgia                |
: Advance Computer [phone]    |
: [e-mail]    |
: ========================================================================

Thanks for all the suggestions. I checked out the North American CallBook
and that is adaquate. Since I had an old issue it gave me a good reason to
order the 1995 issue.

John, WB3ESS



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (STEPHEN KING)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: hamradio demographics nee
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 95 11:30:00 -0800
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JN>Can anyone point me to a source (old or new) that would list
  >total number of hamradio operators by state and/or by country?

JN>I already phoned the ARRL and the FCC and came up empty handed.

I would imagine that the FFC listing of call signs would be able to be
manipulated to extract just such info. At least for the "current" call
signs issued. You can down load the entire listing from the FCC, but I
have heard it is a very very large file and could take a few hours to do
so.

I also imagine that you could get the latest copy of the QRZ! cd-rom and
see if you could not the data you wanted from that as well.
---
 ■ QMPro 1.53 ■ [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:35 1995
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From: Bill Richards <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help with 2Mtr. SSB
Date: 6 Aug 1995 14:22:16 GMT
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I just acquired a Kenwood TS 700s two meter all mode and would like
to start exploring SB operations.  Could anyone offer any recommendations
as to antenna's, amplifiers and best methods to track DX. Any help
would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks

Bill Richards
N6WXF
Palmdale,CA




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:35 1995
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Subject: How to improve my CW spee
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 95 23:09:00 EST
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>
> I just passed my 5wpm CW test. I want to take advantage of the "momentum"
> i've built up !  I know that if I slack off now it would be real hard to
> "get back on it."   I want to get up to 13wpm a.s.a.p.   I do not have an
> HF or HT unit(yet !). I have SuperMorse,Morse Academy,Morse tutor gold and
> NuMorse(the best of 'em I.m.h.o.). What would be the best best way to get
> up to 13wpm ? I will be studying CW about 1hr a day.  How long do you
> think it would take to get up to 13wpm ?  Please e-mail me.
> I thank you all in advance for any help you can provide.
>

Congrats on the 5wpm !
The best way to improve your CW proficiency is to get on the air and
make some contacts. If you don't have a transceiver yet but do have a
receiver then try copying some actual CW QSOs. And if you don't have a
receiver then I suppose a morse tutor would have to do.

When just listening, the thing to do is to copy CW just above the
level that you are comfortable with...you'll miss occasional characters
but it tunes you in to the faster tone patterns and soon you'll be on top
of it.

These suggestions come from my personal "It worked for me" files !

Regards..Hugh  VA3TO Toronto

(Sorry for the newsgroup reply, my e-mail is temporarily unusable.)


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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Halverson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to UnZip *.zip
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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>I have reciently downloaded some files for studying for the General
>Ham test.  These files were in *.zip format. The only executable
>I have to UnZip these is PKUNZIP. This program will not work. It says
>that it doesn't know how to handle the files, or something like that.
>Does anyone have or know where I can get a program which works to
>unzip these?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim
>KD4IHG

This usually means that the files were zip'd with a later version of
PKZIP than the version of PKUNZIP you are attempting to use. Get a
more current version of these utilities.



--

Dave Halverson                          [e-mail]
Wanganui, New Zealand                   Amateur - ZL3TGQ




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill L. Kotarski)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to UnZip *.zip
Date: 6 Aug 1995 01:25:06 GMT
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I think you are trying to use an older version of PKUNZIP
You need pkz204g.exe.  This is a self extracting version  204g

older version of pkunzip will not unzip a file that was zipped up the
newer version

ftp://oak.oakland.edu     and get the newer version or just about any ftp




mouse ([e-mail]) wrote:
> In article <3vjeqb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (James L. McKiel) says:
> >
> >I have reciently downloaded some files for studying for the General
> >Ham test.  These files were in *.zip format. The only executable
> >I have to UnZip these is PKUNZIP. This program will not work. It says
> >that it doesn't know how to handle the files, or something like that.
> >Does anyone have or know where I can get a program which works to
> >unzip these?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Jim
> >KD4IHG

> You should have the directory written in your path (the one in the autoexec.bat file)
> In your case it would be SET PATH= C:\WINDOWS;C:\;C:\DOS; C:\(whatever the directory of your PKUNZIP is in).
> Thats all I can figure. If that does not work, then redownload the file from an FTP site.
> They all should have it.

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:38 1995
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Subject: HQ-129
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 95 00:40:41 -0500
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Some years ago, a neighbor lent me a Hammarlund HQ-129 SW receiver and asked
me to repair it.  It must have been a pretty nice rx in its day.

Does anybody know when it was in production?

    Mike  N3MA


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:38 1995
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In Article<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> write:
> Path:
news.intr.net!news.charm.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.
uoregon.edu!news.delphi.com!usenet
> From: [e-mail]
> Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
> Subject: HQ-129
> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 95 00:40:41 -0500
> Organization: Delphi ([e-mail] email, 800-695-4005 voice)
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>
>
> Some years ago, a neighbor lent me a Hammarlund HQ-129 SW receiver and asked
> me to repair it.  It must have been a pretty nice rx in its day.
>
> Does anybody know when it was in production?
>
>     Mike  N3MA

Not sure, but I would guess the late 50s or very early 60s.  My uncle used a
HQ-129x during the late 60s, as far back as I can recall.  A durable receiver,
but had a hard time staying on frequency.



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:39 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Huntsville Alabama Hamfest
Date: 6 Aug 1995 02:24:26 GMT
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You are invited to the friendliest family hamfest in the Southeast at
Huntsville, Alabama on August 19-20.

All activities will take place inside the air-conditioned Von Braun
Civic Center. Activities start at 9:00 AM on both Saturday and Sunday.

Browse a Dealer/Manufacturer show with over 70 exhibitors and look for
bargains in the 20,000 square foot indoor flea market. (Sorry, all
tables are booked).

License Exams begin at 9:15 sharp on Saturday morning. Walk-ins are
welcome, but bring identification, copy of your license and any CSCEs.

Enjoy a full program of Amateur Radio and computer related forums both
days.

Attend either the Hamfest Banquet, where the recipient of the Young Ham
of the Year Award will be presented, or the DX Banquet on Saturday
night.

Our expert talk-in crew will be on 146.34/.94 all day Friday through
Sunday.

For more information, check the WWW at
"http://iquest.com/~femens/hfest.htm", call [phone] or send
email to either [e-mail] or [e-mail].

Our emphasis is on making sure our guests enjoy the hamfest.

Frank Emens, Huntsville Alabama     "[e-mail]"
"Things are more like they are now than they have ever been before."



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Benton StJ Bonney)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I PASSED THE TEST !!!
Date: 5 Aug 1995 20:33:24 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Thomas Sheldon) writes:
> ...[snip]...
> I still need to take the code.  I took the "Double Jeopardy" jump and
> passed my Novice and Tech written for a Tech-no code last Thursday.  Can
> the written General Test element be taken without any code?  (obviously
> not jumping me in rank, but am I eligible to take the written part and
> take the 13wpm code test later to get priviledges?)

Many decisions like these are left up to the VE team, but usually you can
take any written exam you want (in order from 2 thru 4B).  Remember, the
365 days is for _each_ element.  In other words, if you if you pass 5 WPM
13 months after element 2 but 11 months after element 3A, you are still
just a no-code tech.

Congratulations and good luck.  You'll be glad you stuck to it, and when
you get your Extra, pay back the ham community by becoming a VE.
----
73 de Benton Bonney, KO4XE@kc4gym.#col.sc.usa.na
internet:            [e-mail]
tcp-ip:              44.38.140.006  (I think)
courier:             Columbia South Carolina, then ask
                     WCARS VEC, ARRL VEC, W5YI VEC


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:41 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: I PASSED THE TEST !!!
Date: 7 Aug 1995 04:15:35 GMT
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In <400kik$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Benton StJ Bonney) writes:
>Many decisions like these are left up to the VE team, but usually you can
>take any written exam you want (in order from 2 thru 4B).  Remember, the
>365 days is for _each_ element.  In other words, if you if you pass 5 WPM
>13 months after element 2 but 11 months after element 3A, you are still
>just a no-code tech.
>73 de Benton Bonney, KO4XE@kc4gym.#col.sc.usa.na

when he passed element 3A 2 months after element 2, he was issued
a Technician license. good for 10 years. the CSCE for element 2 is
voided by that.

when he passes element 1A at any time in the future, he's upgraded to a
Technician Plus.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bobv61832)
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Subject: Icom 707 mods
Date: 5 Aug 1995 20:30:14 -0400
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I'm looking for technical information for mods on Icom 707.  Please send
e-mail.

Thanks


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary P. Fiber)
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Subject: Re: Icom 707 mods
Date: 7 Aug 1995 12:35:41 GMT
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In article <4012em$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bobv61832) says:
>
>I'm looking for technical information for mods on Icom 707.  Please send
>e-mail.
>
>Thanks
I think the book titled " Radio / Tech Modifications " published by Artsci. Inc
has the modification for the IC-707 in it.  Or forward a copy of your MARS or CAP
license to Icom, they will send you a copy of the mod.  Radio / Tech modifications
is a great book especially for those who do not have authority to gain the
information directly from the companies.



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ronald Murray)
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Subject: Re: Icom IC-2SRA owners please help
Date: 5 Aug 1995 09:42:10 GMT
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I agree with Bruce. Have had my SRA about three years with no trouble.
Rcvr side is quite prone to intermod. An external ant on the rcvr vastly
improves signals both wanted and unwanted. I broke the rcvr antenna
(rubber duck) plug, cost $25 to replace. Would like to see rcvr ant
connector be a BNC but probably not enough room.

73, Ron N9JJ



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From: [e-mail] (Gary P. Fiber)
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Subject: Re: Icom IC-2SRA owners please help
Date: 5 Aug 1995 14:40:00 GMT
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In article <3vvedi$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ronald Murray) says:
>
>I agree with Bruce. Have had my SRA about three years with no trouble.
>Rcvr side is quite prone to intermod. An external ant on the rcvr vastly
>improves signals both wanted and unwanted. I broke the rcvr antenna
>(rubber duck) plug, cost $25 to replace. Would like to see rcvr ant
>connector be a BNC but probably not enough room.
>
>73, Ron N9JJ
>
Also the HS-60 headset gets 5 volts of power from the receiver antenna jack.
The receiver antenna jack has 3 connections.  Tip is RX antenna, Ring is 5 volts
@ 3 mA and Sleeve is Ground.  You can find a BNC to 3.5 mm or 1/8" mono male plug
in some stores, works fine as the ground does not actually need to be instalted.
Shorting the 5 volts to ground does not hurt anything either.

73' Gary


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Installing a Ground Rod
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Glenn Mead) writes:
>>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>>|> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Wasmir Robeves) writes:
>>|> >
>>|> >I'm in the process of building my house. Can I use the reinforcing steel bars
>>|> >of the foundation, buried about 6 feet under ground, as my grounding system?
>>
>>I would not use rebarb that is part of a foundation as a grounding point.
>>If you did happen to have a direct hit, it could cause your foundation
>>to shatter/crack/explode.

>Dr. Ufer, and the US Army Ordnance Dept, would be somewhat amazed to
>hear that, as would the writers of the National Electrical Code, who
>all consider the Ufer ground both safe and effective. This old wive's
>tale about exploding concrete still makes the rounds, despite the
>tens of thousands of sites protected by Ufer grounds across the country
>who have never experienced such an occurance, and despite the Army
>ammo bunkers constructed using Ufer grounding protection which have
>never suffered a concrete explosion from a lightning strike. A properly
>done Ufer installation is safe, effective, and won't cause concrete
>cracking or explosions any more than conventional driven rods will
>cause "dirt" explosions. What a Ufer ground *will* do is offer a
>lower impedance connection to Earth than most any other grounding
>method short of copper plating the Earth. (Of course you have to
>do a Ufer ground *right*, just as you have to do any other ground
>right in order to benefit from it. An improperly done Ufer ground,
>like any other improperly done ground, can cause all sorts of
>problems, even including (conceivably) a concrete explosion. Fortunately,
>you'd have to work real hard to screw up a Ufer ground installation.)

One thing that I would suggest, if the concrete hasn't been poured yet,
is to *weld* all the crosspoints rather than tie-wire them together.
There is one particular repeater building that has always had an
excessive amount of intermod, and while I am not 100% sure of the facts,
I was told that the builder cheated a bit and did not weld teh rebar in
the walls and floor.  Apparently the crosspoints that are rusty are
acting as diodes...

--



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Benton StJ Bonney)
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Subject: Re: Installing a Ground Rod
Date: 5 Aug 1995 23:41:23 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
> >I would not use rebarb that is part of a foundation as a grounding point.
> >If you did happen to have a direct hit, it could cause your foundation
> >to shatter/crack/explode.
> ...[cut]...
>        ... A properly
               ^^^^^^^^
> done Ufer installation is safe, effective, and won't cause concrete
> cracking or explosions any more than conventional driven rods will
> cause "dirt" explosions.
> ...[cut]...
> Gary

_Properly_ is the key.  I wouldn't want to pump a gazillion amps into the
rebar net and, possibly, up into the steel structure of a building.  I
have put up metal buildings with the structure and rebar electrically tied
together, but it all terminated into a healthy counterpose.

Anybody been on the Avon Park range lately?  I wonder if that fire station
is still standing.
----
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[e-mail]   | Impact Statement for this .sig has been extended
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Installing a Ground Rod
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <400vj3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Benton StJ Bonney) writes:
>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>> >I would not use rebarb that is part of a foundation as a grounding point.
>> >If you did happen to have a direct hit, it could cause your foundation
>> >to shatter/crack/explode.
>> ...[cut]...
>>        ... A properly
>               ^^^^^^^^
>> done Ufer installation is safe, effective, and won't cause concrete
>> cracking or explosions any more than conventional driven rods will
>> cause "dirt" explosions.
>> ...[cut]...
>> Gary
>
>_Properly_ is the key.  I wouldn't want to pump a gazillion amps into the
>rebar net and, possibly, up into the steel structure of a building.  I
>have put up metal buildings with the structure and rebar electrically tied
>together, but it all terminated into a healthy counterpose.

The standard rule of thumb for a Ufer ground is that there should be
20 lineal feet of connected 1/2 inch rebar for every 8,000 amperes of
surge. The typical lightning bolt has a peak surge on the order of 8,000
amperes, so 20 feet is usually sufficient. Now that doesn't represent
the current level where concrete will "explode", that rule of thumb
applies to *effective* protective grounding. The point where concrete
could crack or explode is at least a couple of orders of magnitude greater.

However, there are rare *superbolts* (mostly seen only in Florida) that
can have peak surge currents of up to 200,000 amperes, so a rebar mesh
containing 500 lineal feet of rebar should be used for ultimate protection.
That represents a roughly 22 foot square slab with rebar spaced on 12 inch
centers, not a hard requirement to meet. (For rebar to count toward the
lineal footage, it must be spaced at least 6 inches from another parallel
rebar counted toward the lineal footage.)

A *counterpoise* offers no protection, or at least protection so
minimal as to not warrant discussion. Nor is a single driven rod
as effective as 8 feet of rebar in a Ufer ground system, concrete
serves as a more effective coupling to Earth than the small volume
of soil in contact with a driven rod (unless the rod is driven in
a permanently wet salt marsh). It normally takes at least 3 driven
rods, spaced no closer than 16 feet on centers, in order to make
even a minimal protective ground in typical soils. Lots more are
better, with 9 being a good rule of thumb minimum number. When
you start contemplating sinking that many rods, the Ufer ground
begins to look very attractive if you'll be pouring a slab anyway.
(Of course a buried radial system can substitute for driven rods,
and is another alternative in some cases, such as when using base
fed tower radiators.)

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:52 1995
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 05/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 05 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 06 AUGUST - 08 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  75/13

GOES satellite data for 04 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   4.4E+04
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 2.3E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A2.1
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             06 Aug             07 Aug             08 Aug
Activity     very low           very low           very low
Fadeouts     none expected      none expected      none expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 06 Aug:  75/13

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 04 Aug
    Learmonth        6  2222 2211
    Fredericksburg   5                           6
    Planetary        6                           6

Observed Kp for 04 Aug: 1220 1223
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
06 Aug     5    quiet
07 Aug     5    quiet
08 Aug     5    quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
05 Aug      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
06 Aug      normal         normal         normal
07 Aug      normal         normal         normal
08 Aug      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
05 Aug    31    enhanced during local night by 30-100%, with
                night-time Spread F and occasional Sporadic E
                layer.

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
06 Aug    20    near predicted monthly values
07 Aug    20    near predicted monthly values
08 Aug    20    near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: 15-20% depressed, with night-time Spread F and
Sporadic E layer.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with night-time Spread F
and occasional Sporadic E layer.

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:54 1995
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 06/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 06 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 07 AUGUST - 09 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  75/13

GOES satellite data for 05 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   4.8E+04
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 2.3E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A1.6
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             07 Aug             08 Aug             09 Aug
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 07 Aug:  75/13

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 05 Aug
    Learmonth        4  2211 1121
    Fredericksburg   5                           6
    Planetary        5                           6

Observed Kp for 05 Aug: 1112 2223
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
07 Aug     5    Quiet
08 Aug     5    Quiet
09 Aug    12    Quiet to unsettled

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
06 Aug      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
07 Aug      normal         normal         normal
08 Aug      normal         normal         normal
09 Aug      normal         normal         fair

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
06 Aug    28    enhanced during local night by 20%, with night-time
Spread F. Near predicted values during daylight hours.

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
07 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values
08 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values
09 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: 15% depressed most of UT day
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with night-time Spread F

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Baker)
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Subject: Logging Software - Laser Printer for QSL Labels
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 95 02:02:45 GMT
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I'm looking for a logging program that will allow me to print my QSL labels on a
HP Laser Printer.  Anyone have any suggestions?

Dave Baker - AA9OQ


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:55 1995
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From: Jack Palladay <[e-mail]>
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> I'm looking for a logging program that will allow me to print my QSL labels on a
> HP Laser Printer.  Anyone have any suggestions?

   The system I use DXBase supports laser printers using Avery 5161
 laser labels.  DXBase works great on my NEC Silentwriter 95F which
 emulates an HP using PCL5.  I have a request in to the authors of
 DXBase to modify the program to allow a laser print to start printing
 other than the top of the page in order to print single lables with
 out wasting a sheet of labels.  The rest of the system is very good
 and quick and is used by a lot of Dxers.

 73 de Jack, N9ICE @ WB9SYK-1.IN
 [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Ron Jones)
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Subject: Re: Logging Software - Laser Printer for QSL Labels
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Jack Palladay <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> I'm looking for a logging program that will allow me to print my QSL labels on a
>> HP Laser Printer.  Anyone have any suggestions?

>   The system I use DXBase supports laser printers using Avery 5161
> laser labels.  DXBase works great on my NEC Silentwriter 95F which
> emulates an HP using PCL5.  I have a request in to the authors of
> DXBase to modify the program to allow a laser print to start printing
> other than the top of the page in order to print single lables with
> out wasting a sheet of labels.  The rest of the system is very good
> and quick and is used by a lot of Dxers.

For info on DXBase contact one of the authors:
Dean
[e-mail]

73  Ron

> 73 de Jack, N9ICE @ WB9SYK-1.IN
> [e-mail]




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Subject: Re: Looking for a good HAM FTP Site
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The definitive ham radio ftp site for my money :-) is oak.oakland.edu

Some ham radio files are under /SimTel
The mother lode is pub/hamradio, with subdirectories including
arrl/infoserver.
Download the index first.

Travis Hardin (WA3OBH)


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jon G. Benavides)
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Subject: Looking for a manual for heathkit HO-10 oscilliscope.
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I have a heathkit ho-10 station monitor scope that I received
from my uncle and I wish to find a manual for it somehow.  If
anyone is able to copy one for me or has one they don't need
i would surely appreciate a copy.
Jon A.R.S. KE8CU
--


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:23:59 1995
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From: Gerald Schmitt <[e-mail]>
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I have one drop me private e-mail with an address
73 de Jerry KC5EGG


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Someone)
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Subject: modifications on DJ-G5T?
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Is there any modifications guidelines for Alinco DJ-G5T Twin Bander??

thanx!

Simon
VE7VSI
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   E-mail:  [e-mail]    [e-mail]
Call Sign:  VE7VSI


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (L. Jeffrey Hetherington)
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Subject: Morse Code Tutor for Computer?
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Can anybody recommend a morse code tutor program for an DOS/WINDOWS based IBM
computer?  Preferably a shareware/freeware/PD file that is available on the
internet someplace.

Tnx in advance.
        Jeff - VA3JFF


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:01 1995
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (L. Jeffrey Hetherington) wrote:
>Can anybody recommend a morse code tutor program for an DOS/WINDOWS based
>IBM computer?

SuperMorse is an excellent Shareware program available on the 'net.  Use
Archie to search for SM415.EXE and you'll find it.

73,  Jack  WB3U


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From: [e-mail] (George Clyde)
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I have a new Yeasu FT-530, and am following the factory instructions for
adding RX/TX frequencies published at oak.oakland.  What I find is a
slightly differnt pattern of jumpers, and a green jumper wire at a location
that MIGHT be jumper 13 (which is supposed to be de-soldered).  Since the
orgiginal mod instructions date from 93-94, I wonder if there have been
revisions in the hardware, and if anyone can provide updated mod
instructions.  Kindly reply here or by email -- [e-mail].  Thanks.
,


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Price N3QYE)
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George Clyde ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I have a new Yeasu FT-530, and am following the factory instructions for
: adding RX/TX frequencies published at oak.oakland.  What I find is a
: slightly differnt pattern of jumpers, and a green jumper wire at a location
: that MIGHT be jumper 13 (which is supposed to be de-soldered).  Since the
: orgiginal mod instructions date from 93-94, I wonder if there have been
: revisions in the hardware, and if anyone can provide updated mod
: instructions.  Kindly reply here or by email -- [e-mail].  Thanks.

Mine doesn't have the green wire, but I heard it was added specifically
to make easier the mod you're seeking.  If it were on mine, based on
what I've heard I'd go ahead and clip it.  Since we're talking about
yours, you might want confirmation first.

73

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Price, ARS N3QYE                         Don't blame me.
[e-mail]                  I voted for Emma Goldman.



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Brown)
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Subject: Re: Question on Using Super morse to generate exams
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In article <3vrm4g$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>How do I get super morse to generate multiple choice questions to the
>exams it generates ?  This is the type of test i will be taking to upgrade
>to General & I want to get used to it.
>Thanks !
>
>
Buddy I can't help you out with your problem but I have a friend who may be
able to  I will see what he says.  Can you help us out in the meantime by
telling me if you know of any ftp sites that I can get the latest copy of
Super Morse from ???

Thanks Doug
--
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Doug Brown
Auckland, New Zealand
[e-mail]



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>Buddy I can't help you out with your problem but I have a friend who may be
>able to  I will see what he says.  Can you help us out in the meantime by
>telling me if you know of any ftp sites that I can get the latest copy of
>Super Morse from ???

>Thanks Doug
>--
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>Doug Brown
>Auckland, New Zealand
>[e-mail]

try ftp://sstcx1.lanl.gov/pub/packet/supmorse.zip

Ed Filkins
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Diego Pons)
Subject: Re: Radio Images (.gif, tif, .bmp, etc.)
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Rob Bellville ([e-mail]) wrote:
> I am looking for radio-related images for my Web pages. Prefer colored
> images, drawn or scanned.

> Any clues where I can find some?

> Thanks!

> -- Rob


> ******************************************************************
> Please excuse any delays in responding to your correspondences.
> I am taking a few random vacation days and I will be away
> from 8/14 - 8/19.         THANKS! - Rob
> ******************************************************************

>  [e-mail]              <--email
>  http://www.ultranet.com/~bellvill/           <--Rob's cobWeb Page
>  -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Rob Bellville, N1NTE   | Technical Supervisor - Millbury Public Schools
>
>  PO Box 515             |    Got an old PC or Mac? Millbury Schools
>
>  Millbury, MA 01527     |   are looking for donations dead or alive!
>
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I've seem some in the Hamnet Forum in CI$.

--
Diego Pons
[e-mail]
Los Angeles, CA


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:07 1995
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In article <3vt0bu$[e-mail]> Jeffrey Wittich,
[e-mail] writes:
>Yes, it is, but be sure to FEED it properly.  None of these cigarette
>lighter plugs.  The amplifier needs about 5 amps, and that requires
>direct connection to the battery to avoid alternator noise on the
>transmitted signal.

I am using the Radio Shack amplifier off of the cirgarette lighter plug
without difficulty.  Using a battery operated handheld into the amp, I
have not had reports of alternator whine or heard any on receive.  Maybe
the make of car is important.  I am in a 87 Volvo.


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
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Subject: Re: Radio Shack 2m amplifier
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In article <403oeo$[e-mail]>, Bill Schaff <[e-mail]> writes:
> In article <3vt0bu$[e-mail]> Jeffrey Wittich,
> [e-mail] writes:
>>Yes, it is, but be sure to FEED it properly.  None of these cigarette
>>lighter plugs.  The amplifier needs about 5 amps, and that requires
>>direct connection to the battery to avoid alternator noise on the
>>transmitted signal.
>
> I am using the Radio Shack amplifier off of the cirgarette lighter plug
> without difficulty.  Using a battery operated handheld into the amp, I
> have not had reports of alternator whine or heard any on receive.  Maybe
> the make of car is important.  I am in a 87 Volvo.

FWIW...  I've been using my TR-7950 on a cig. plug for years when I do
communications in a SAG wagon on bike rides and running events.  I've used
it in a number of different vehicles including an 89 Aerostar, 76 Volvo,
'8? Transport, 84 Dodge Colt, etc. and never had alternator noise on receive
or the transmitted signal.

The radio is a 45 watt model and it draws 9.5 amps.  No, it probably isn't
the best installation, but it is temporary and handy.  We do what we can.

73,
Ken
--

__________________________________________________________________________
Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~










From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RMORGN)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack selling Outdated Adv. Test book
Date: 6 Aug 1995 16:53:38 -0400
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I had the same thing happen... I was getting ready to teach the AOL course
on the No-code tech license and was after Gordon West's text.... In
passing I saw the book for the Advanced license and was going to buy it.
Took it to the counter when I realized it was going to expire in about a
month.  Pointed this out to the clerk and he said, "yep, here" and he gave
it to me. He said he'd just be throwing it out anyway....  Maybe there is
a RS god.
ARJAY
N3LKZ


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:10 1995
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Subject: Re: Radio Shack selling Outdated Adv. Test book
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[e-mail] (Walter R Francis) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>
>[e-mail] (Ken Thompson) writes:
>
>>In article <3v25jk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dan Brown) writes:
>>>From: [e-mail] (Dan Brown)
>>>Subject: Re: Radio Shack selling Outdated Adv. Test book
>>>Date: 25 Jul 1995 07:13:56 GMT
>>
>>>Ken Harrison ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>>        [RS selling out-of-date book]
>>>: an out of date book, fine.  If it is misrepresented, then that is not fine.
>>
>>>        Well, the date _is_ printed on the cover...
>>
>>
>>but the expiration date is not.
>
>"Element 4A Question Pool Valid to July 1, 1995!" to quote the cover..
>
>Do you expect Rat Shack to lose sales, regardless of date of material?
>They were selling old Police Call books from '93 to unsuspecting people
>even after the '95 book came out at my local store!
>
>---
>     Walter    _                                              Alinco 580


I work for Radio Shack and received an order from the corporate
offices in early July to remove all of the advanced books from the
shelves, mark them ou-of-stock, and destroy them.  New books are on
the way (I've been on vacation the past week, they may already be out,
I don't know).  Any store that still has them either has missed the
memo or has a lazy (or greedy) manager.  Bring it to their attention.

73,
Rodney, KB0SPZ



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From: [e-mail] (Walter R Francis)
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Subject: Re: Radio Shack selling Outdated Adv. Test book
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Ken Thompson) writes:

>In article <3v25jk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dan Brown) writes:
>>From: [e-mail] (Dan Brown)
>>Subject: Re: Radio Shack selling Outdated Adv. Test book
>>Date: 25 Jul 1995 07:13:56 GMT
>
>>Ken Harrison ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>        [RS selling out-of-date book]
>>: an out of date book, fine.  If it is misrepresented, then that is not fine.
>
>>        Well, the date _is_ printed on the cover...
>
>
>but the expiration date is not.

"Element 4A Question Pool Valid to July 1, 1995!" to quote the cover..

Do you expect Rat Shack to lose sales, regardless of date of material?
They were selling old Police Call books from '93 to unsuspecting people
even after the '95 book came out at my local store!

---
     Walter    _                                              Alinco 580
       R    _ //  [e-mail]     [e-mail]
    Francis ¢X/   [e-mail]  [e-mail]       KE4UWN


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For:  Emergency Management Agencies via Amateur Radio
Info: Communications Volunteers in Government Service
Info: Amateurs U.S. (@usa:Information), ACS, CAP, MARS, RACES
By:   Auxiliary Communications Service (ACS), the volunteer
      communications reserve of the State of California
      Governor's Office of Emergency Services

Bulletin 390 - For Release 8/7/95
MGT - Volunteers- Images & Issues 3/7

Another image in the mind of many is that the only people in an
emergency communications reserve are radio Amateurs who just
operate radios and pass messages. FACT: Today's professional
communications volunteer is NOT calling a distant station with,
"This is message number eight-seven, are you ready to copy?" If
that's your vision of the professional volunteer in communica-
tions in l995, please erase it NOW! [Explanation to follow.]

In some parts of the nation there is a GOVERNMENT agency that is
responsible as the primary responder in any emergency. Usually
this is a direct result of a state legislative act (law). Where
that situation exists, the government agency wants people who are
committed to a local government as PART of that SPECIFIC
government. Of necessity that means that the communications
volunteer of the Nineties are those that are recruited INTO the
government (albeit unpaid) to become a part of the agency. Where
a state has a different situation, then other policies may
prevail.

As the person responsible for the coordination and development of
the California Auxiliary Communications Service, the coordinator
(Stan Harter) spends a great deal of time talking with managers
in government from around the country about how to deal with
communications volunteers. An attitude that he sometimes hears is
expressed this way: "If I  ever need communications, it's so much
easier just to call in an outside group."

[There are agencies that do so.] It certainly does sound good, but
be aware of the pitfalls. Here is Harters answer based on 40 years
experience in Hawaii, California and other western states:
(Continued, next week)

ACS Addresses:  2800 Meadowview Rd., Sacramento, CA. 95832.
Ph: 916-262-1600. FAX [phone]. Landline BBS: 916-262-1657.
[e-mail] or Internet [e-mail] or [e-mail].
Bulletin delivery problems? Notify W6WWW@KM6PX.#NOCAL.USA.NA
EOM



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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey A. Harvey)
Subject: Rebar grounds and exploding myths
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Glenn Mead ([e-mail]) wrote [+/-]:
> I would not use rebar that is part of a foundation as a grounding point.
> If you did happen to have a direct hit, it could cause your foundation
> to shatter/crack/explode.

The above is in direct contradiction to the information supplied by the
Poly Phaser company.
-Jeffy VE1BLL



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Knowlton)
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-> > I would not use rebar that is part of a foundation as a grounding
-> point. > If you did happen to have a direct hit, it could cause your
-> foundation > to shatter/crack/explode.
->
-> The above is in direct contradiction to the information supplied by
-> the Poly Phaser company.

Then Poly Phaser was wrong. It is correct that if there was a direct
hit, that it will damage the foundation. Besides, you have concrete,
which is not the greatest of conductors between the rebar and ground.

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Benton StJ Bonney)
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Subject: Re: Recent radio related trivia...
Date: 5 Aug 1995 20:42:57 GMT
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[e-mail] (Dana Myers) writes:
> ...[snip]...
>                              ...  They don't even have a
> key in the comm room; they primarily monitor VHF marine and
> CB channel 9.  So, if you are in distress off the Oregon coast,
> make sure to be prepared either with a VHF marine radio or a
> cheap CB radio.  Don't waste your time trying to get help
> with Morse code :-).

The Coast Guard officially stopped all CW operations several months ago.
The official reason was VHF FM, HF digital, and satcom have replaced CW.
I'm sure the cost of training new radio guy/gals was also a key factor.

In a related item, USAF MARS just announced it will cease all CW
operations on October 1st.  The reason is more information can be passed
on the limited bandwidth using packet, pactor, slow-scan, etc...

Sad to see it go, but time moves on, and these services are not hobbies.
They must justify the tax dollars and spectrum they use.

----
Benton Bonney, [e-mail], Columbia, South Carolina
               ko4xe@kc4gym.#col.sc.usa.na


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Vinie)
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Subject: stamps on radio amateurism
Date: 7 Aug 1995 13:34:35 GMT
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since my father is a radio amateur and I am a stamp collector, we were up
to collect stamps of radio-amateurism. Unfortunatly, we didn't find any
stamps about that subject at diferent sale-places......
If you are , or if you know someone who combines these two hobbies, let me
know if there are stamps on this subject,...

My fathers call is ON1BWJ
my e-mail number is [e-mail]

we will appreciate it very much,....Vincent --
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*          Van Wesemael Vincent               O   O  O  O  O  O            *
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:17 1995
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: This Week in Amateur Radio #123 (for air through 8/11/95)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 95 23:32:20 -0500
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Here is a summary of news items covered on edition #123 of "This
Week in Amateur Radio", North America's satellite-delivered audio
bulletin service, for the week ending 11-Aug:
-
1.   New Trans-Pacific Distance Record Established on Two Meters
2.   ARRL Staff Member Honored for Contributions to VHF
3.   Amateur Radio Gets Boost from CNN Coverage of Special Olympics
4.   Errors on AMSAT Election Ballots Cause Confusion
5.   New World Wide Web Page for Amateur TV Operations
6.   Damage to Shuttle Booster O-rings Delays Endeavor Launch
7.   "The RAIN Dial-up" from Chicago
8.   Three Los Angeles-area Amateurs Killed in Shooting Incident
9.   "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
10.  Nicaraguan Contest Scheduled for This Sunday
11.  Weekly Propagation Forecast with George Bowen, N2LQS
12.  Upcoming Special Event Stations
13.  "Amateur Radio Newsline" - Edition #938 from Los Angeles
-
Satellite time and uplink equipment have been provided by SKYVISION
as a service to the amateur radio community.  Funding to access
"Newsline" was provided by a grant from the Stoddard family and
users of the KF9MP repeater system in North Webster, Indiana.
-
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is a weekly amateur radio news and
information service, in audio newsmagazine format, which is produced
by Community Video Associates, Inc., a New York State not-for-profit
corporation based in Albany, New York.  The program is carried on
the "Tech Talk Network" each Saturday at 7:30 PM (EDT) on the
Telstar 302 commercial communications satellite, transponder 21
(11V), 5.8 MHz wideband audio (4.120 GHz), located at 85 degrees
west longitude in geosynchronous orbit, and can be heard on various
VHF/UHF repeaters throughout the United States and Canada, as well
as on 160 meters at 1860 kHz.  Contact your local amateur radio club
or repeater operator if "This Week in Amateur Radio" is not being
heard in your area.
-
Production and transmission expenses are underwritten by
contributions from repeater system operators, amateur radio clubs,
and individuals.  For further information, contact George Bowen,
N2LQS, at 518/283-3665, or Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB, at
518/664-6809.  You may also reach them via amateur packet @
WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA or on the Internet to [e-mail]
or [e-mail].


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:18 1995
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From: Burton Stein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Toyota Camry-RF
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Recently installed standard 5608 with diamond 7900 antenna, direct to
battery. Rf lights up the rear light warning icon on the dash when using
50 watts- Any suggestions?



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Jonz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Wanna know where the question pools are?  Read on...
Date: 7 Aug 1995 08:38:56 GMT
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Gary Skaggs ([e-mail]) writes:

        > I have had very out-of-date question pools posted on the
        > internet...The latest and greatest question pools are located
        > on the ARRL web/ftp site that is maintained by the Boston
        > Amateur Radio Club... The site is: oak.oakland.edu...The pools
        > are located in the directory pub/hamradio/arrl/infoserver/vec.

Er, "lastest and greatest"?

        From the files of the ARRL Automated Mail Server, ([e-mail]):
        file: advanced.txt    updated: 10-23-92

I recently went looking for current question pools myself, and was amazed
at how difficult it was to find them on the net.  I was equally amazed that
BARC and ARRL would leave outdated stuff like this around, but I guess that's
another matter....


KB6JXT, Todd



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Tracy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Wanna know where the question pools are?  Read on...
Date: 7 Aug 1995 09:12:07 -0400
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Todd Jonz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Gary Skaggs ([e-mail]) writes:

:       > I have had very out-of-date question pools posted on the
:       > internet...The latest and greatest question pools are located
:       > on the ARRL web/ftp site that is maintained by the Boston
:       > Amateur Radio Club... The site is: oak.oakland.edu...The pools
:       > are located in the directory pub/hamradio/arrl/infoserver/vec.

: Er, "lastest and greatest"?

:       From the files of the ARRL Automated Mail Server, ([e-mail]):
:       file: advanced.txt    updated: 10-23-92

: KB6JXT, Todd

Todd,
        The file name for the current Advanced question pool is
'advanced.new'.  The old question pool (good until July 1st of this year) is
still there because I thought some folks might want to compare the two.

Best Regards, Michael Tracy, KC1SX, ARRL Technical Information Services
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Subject: Re: What is "HAM"??
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[e-mail] (Luigi Greco) wrote:

:>[e-mail] wrote:
:>: What does "HAM" stand for????

As you can see by the myriad of DIFFERENT answers no one knows for
sure.  It's kinda like asking what color is the wind.

73
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Jim Martin, WK1V                | I speak for no one....not even myself.
Lowell, Massachusetts           |
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian E. Woodley)
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Subject: Re: What is "HAM"??
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Jim Martin) wrote:
}[e-mail] (Luigi Greco) wrote:
}
}:>[e-mail] wrote:
}:>: What does "HAM" stand for????
}
}As you can see by the myriad of DIFFERENT answers no one knows for
}sure.  It's kinda like asking what color is the wind.
}
I know! I know!  It's clear.

8)  Later.


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:22 1995
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Subject: Re: What is "HAM"??
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[e-mail] (Brian E. Woodley) wrote:

:>In article <[e-mail]>,
:>   [e-mail] (Jim Martin) wrote:
:>}[e-mail] (Luigi Greco) wrote:
:>}
:>}:>[e-mail] wrote:
:>}:>: What does "HAM" stand for????
:>}
:>}As you can see by the myriad of DIFFERENT answers no one knows for
:>}sure.  It's kinda like asking what color is the wind.
:>}
:>I know! I know!  It's clear.

Uhhhhhhh, yeah, yeah...it's, uhhhhhh, clear.....yeah, clear...that's
it.  8-D

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Jim Martin, WK1V                | I speak for no one....not even myself.
Lowell, Massachusetts           |
USAF(Ret) 1973-1993             |
Ex-KB1LW-N1CLS-KA5MWD-HL9ZF     |
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Knowlton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What is "HAM"??
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 7 Aug 95 12:58:00 GMT
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-> :>}:>: What does "HAM" stand for????
-> :>}
-> :>}As you can see by the myriad of DIFFERENT answers no one knows for
-> :>}sure.  It's kinda like asking what color is the wind.

I thought it was the first callsign.. or maybe i'm crazy.. crazy.. yeah,
thats it.. crazy..

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:24 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What is "HAM"?? (here we go again..)
Date: 7 Aug 1995 04:21:12 GMT
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In <3vmsps$[e-mail]>, Gareth Crispell <[e-mail]> writes:
>[e-mail] (Max Sabo) wrote:
>>I remember reading a long time ago (before I was a ham) that the term
>>"ham" was used so far back that no one knew what it meant anymore.  Could
>>be wrong, but I have never heard anything to the contrary.
>>
>>Max
>>N7NWG
>>
>
>Almost 100 years ago there was a American magazine called the " Home
>Amateur Mechanic "   An article appeared in this mag about how to build a
>newfangled wireless radio. People who built and used these radios started
>to be as "Ham" radio people after the magazine's first letters.
>
>N1MSV

last time around on this, this explaination was debunked.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:25 1995
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From: 193.96.231.25 (Stefan Wimmer)
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Subject: Which licence for HF in USA?
Date: 7 Aug 1995 16:07:36 GMT
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Hi folks,

browsing this newsgroup from time to time I have an idea that there are
several licences in the USA like tech, advanced etc.
Can someone enlighten a foreigner what wich licence implies?
I suppose they form a hierarchy like ours here in Germany (C-A-B not A-B-C
[lowest->highest]!!)) do? Especially I'm interested which license is needed
at least to work on the HF bands?

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From: [e-mail] (C.N.B.)
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Subject: Will Airport Security allow HT passage?
Date: 6 Aug 1995 16:13:11 GMT
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Will Airport Security allow HT passage?
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 95 15:39:21 GMT
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In article <402pmn$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (C.N.B.) wrote:
>[Will airport security allow HT passage?]

Generally, yes.  Be prepared to demonstrate that it at least has a few
radio parts inside (switch on, open the squelch, show display) and hasn't
been converted to a bomb.  The same kind of thing they require for portable
computers.

-Mike KD4QDM


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Subject: Re: Will Airport Security allow HT passage?
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I have taken my handhelds literally around the world.  Well,
distance-wise anyway.  This is before the OKC bombing, though, and
before the mass histeria and Uni-bomber's latest.  My latest air trip
was September 1992.

I have never had any problems at airports in this country or in Korea,
Japan, or Alaska...or even California.  Oh yeah, California IS in this
country...8-D   Ooops!  I forgot...ever since I left California in
1969 I keep forgetting that.

I ALWAYS took my HT out of my carry-on luggage and had it visually
inspected.  And, I always separated the battery pack (I use the
alkaline battery case) and opened it up to show the inspector the
batteries inside.  I also tell them that I keep the batteries in one
compartment of my carry-on bag and the radio in another and that I
keep the small plastic cover attached to the top of the battery case
to keep from accidentally shorting out the batteries whilst in
flight...or any other time for that matter.

On a personal note, I don't see why anyone should have a problem
carrying their handheld radios on any flight.  Sometimes it will
happen where you might run into an over zealous inspector who knows
everything about everything...I have yet to experience that.

Have a safe trip!
73



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Jim Martin, WK1V                | I speak for no one....not even myself.
Lowell, Massachusetts           |
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Baker)
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Subject: Re: Will Airport Security allow HT passage?
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 95 20:51:35 GMT
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Never had a problem.  However, DO NOT transmit from the plane.
This is FAA no no!

Dave - AA9OQ


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:29 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Will Airport Security allow HT passage?
Date: 6 Aug 1995 23:48:52 GMT
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I took my HT with me on a trip to Europe.  I put it in the luggage and checked it in.
I did not even separate the battery pack, although I will next time.  I had no problems
at all.

Andrew
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Will Airport Security allow HT passage?
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 95 21:35:39 GMT
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In article <4036i9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dave Baker) wrote:
>Never had a problem.  However, DO NOT transmit from the plane.
>This is FAA no no!

To expand on that further, do not *receive* in the plane either!  As I
understand it, operation any sort of superheterodyne radio receiver
including conventional broadcast-band AM and FM sets, is verboten inside an
airplane (without the pilot's permission).

The loose argument for that is that a spurious signal radiated from the
local oscillator could interfere with the plane's communication or
navigation receivers.  Perhaps under that logic, t.r.f. sets are legal.  I
believe one such receiver was sold for a time to monitor communications in
the VHF aircraft band while travelling by plane.

I would be interested to know if there are any restrictions on radio
transmitter use at the airport terminal, or inside a plane that is parked
at the gate.

-Mike KD4QDM


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:30 1995
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Anytime I've flywn on USAir they let me carry my HT on. Be sure the
batteries are up.. you may have to prove it's a radio.

Ken


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott H. Reed)
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Subject: Re: Will Airport Security allow HT passage?
Date: 7 Aug 1995 10:53:16 -0500
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Mike Keitz, [e-mail] writes:

> I would be interested to know if there are any restrictions on radio
> transmitter use at the airport terminal, or inside a plane that is parked
> at the gate.

Read Part 97.11:

"The installation and operation of an amateur station on a ship or air-
craft must be approved by the master of the ship or pilot in command of
the aircraft.  [....] The station's transmissions must not cause inter-
ference to any other apparatus installed on the ship or aircraft." (47
CFR 97.11(a)(b).)

The rule say that any amateur transmitter operation *on* a ship or plane
must be approved by the ship's master (captain) or the plane's pilot.

It doesn't say anything about whether the ship is at sea or in port,
whether the plane is on the ground or in the air.  Nor does it say
anything about private or commercial vessels.  It says that that
if you carry a transceiver aboard, you must have permission to operate.

If you carry your HT aboard my yacht or plane (don't I wish), you must
have my permission to operate.  This is not only a matter of courtesy,
but of statute, since I am ultimately legally responsible for >all<
transmissions and proper operation of equipment aboard my vessel.

= 73 de Scott KF9QK


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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Colin McGregor)
Subject: Re: Will Airport Security allow HT passage?
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Jim Martin ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I have never had any problems at airports in this country or in Korea,
: Japan, or Alaska...or even California.  Oh yeah, California IS in this
: country...8-D   Ooops!  I forgot...ever since I left California in
: 1969 I keep forgetting that.

Ditto.

: I ALWAYS took my HT out of my carry-on luggage and had it visually
: inspected.  And, I always separated the battery pack (I use the
: alkaline battery case) and opened it up to show the inspector the
: batteries inside.  I also tell them that I keep the batteries in one
: compartment of my carry-on bag and the radio in another and that I
: keep the small plastic cover attached to the top of the battery case
: to keep from accidentally shorting out the batteries whilst in
: flight...or any other time for that matter.

On occasion I have been asked by the guards to turn the HT on, so that
they can see the display light up and show some numbers, so you should
have a charged battery pack handy (My ICOM IC-2SAT has a (small) internal
battery pack, so this is never a problem for me).

Colin McGregor - VE3ZAA


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 17:24:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Treit)
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Subject: WW2END  USS Missouri Special Event Station
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:37:30
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This Labor Day weekend, as many of you know, a multi-club once in a lifetime
special operating event will be held at the Bremerton Naval Shipyard onboard
the USS Missouri, in Nortwest Washington.

We will be operating for 4 days, around the clock, with stations on HF SSB, HF
CW, Packet, Sattelite, VHF/UHF and more.  We will be commemorating the signing
of the Japanese surrender onboard the Missouri 50 years ago, as well as
celebrating the continuing peace between the nations who had fought against
one another in that tragic war.

This is a truly unique opportunity for amateur radio operators worldwide to
participate in the celebration, and to be a part of history.

A WWW page dedicated to the project is now active at:

http://www.excell.com/ww2end.html

Check it out!

There have been a number of inquiries regarding our use of the callsign
WW2END.  At the beginning of the year, when the entire event was being
planned, the FCC said that there would be no problem receiving that callsign
and since then we have been promoting the event heavily with "WW2END" as out
centerpiece.  It was quite disturbing, then, when the FCC lawyers called a
mere month or so before operations to say "Sorry, we lied."  Whether or not we
shall get the call is still up in the air, but we are working on it.  At any
rate, we shall be on the air regardless and it will be FUN!

I encourage EVERYONE out there to take the time to contact this station.  A
special QSL card and certificate will be available to all amateurs contacting
the station.  Frequencies are posted on the WWW page, and should be in the
Sept. QST as well.  Be on the lookout for the USS Missouri and WW2END!

73

-MikeTreit KB7QOP
Training Manager and Support Team
USS Missouri Project



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:20 1995
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add info-hams




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Help Desk Person)
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Subject: * * * WO IST RUDY? * * *Looking for DK7NP
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I'm hoping to find Rudy (DK7NP) on the net.  If any of you have a way of
getting in contact with Rudy, please pass along my aemail address:

[e-mail]

73,
   NZ0C



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (A.C. Spraggins)
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Subject: 1930's or '40's CallBooks out there?
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My call, W5EZM, was issued to me in 1954.  I'm curious as to who it was
issued to first.  Does anyone have an old callbook that shows who it was?

Many thanks for checking this out for me, and 73 de A.C., W5EZM
[e-mail]   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:22 1995
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From: Rob Bellville <[e-mail]>
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ATTN: Hams in Central MASS...

Looking for hams in Worcester County who would like to set up a 440MHz to
6M link. I've got the following to contribute:

- Hamtronics REP-100 UHF 50W repeater
- An 800 foot hill just south of Worcester

Repeater & duplexer is presently tuned to 462.625/467.625 MHz with no PL

Hilltop presently has no antenna structures or other transmitters (no
intermod!). A building is there to shelter equipment and electricity is
available.

Anyone interested in creating such a project, please let me know. We can
even add links to other bands if desired (like 1.2 GHz and 10 Ghz) since
there is good line of site north and east of this site.

Looking for hams who can contribute other equipment, time, and retune the
repeater & duplexer.

Contact:

Rob Bellville, N1NTE
email: [e-mail]
Tel: [phone] days
Fax: [phone]
or at various times on 147.405MHz  PL->100Hz


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Please excuse any delays in responding to your correspondences.
I am taking a few random vacation days and I will be away
from 8/14 - 8/19.         THANKS! - Rob
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Address of Matsushita Communication
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I bought a "Mobile Telephone Transceiver Unit" model EF-6105EA
for $5 (from the Salvation Army store!) and need to contact the
manufacturer to get the control head. Anyone know the U.S.
address for Matsushita Communication Industrial Co. Ltd.?

Thanks in advance!

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I bought a "Mobile Telephone Transceiver Unit" model EF-6105EA
>address for Matsushita Communication Industrial Co. Ltd.?
>

Might also try Panasonic as Matsushita is the parent corp.

I've had miserable luck with the in the marine equip. dept.  I once spent over
an hour and about 10 phone calls only to finally be referred back to where I
started by Matsushita.  I then called another company who sold the same radar
under their name and was helped within 2 minutes.  What a joke.

Hope you have better luck with the cell phone dept.

73's

Paul, KE6OTL

[e-mail]



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From: Ej Johnson <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: Greg Law
Subject: Amateur (jerks) Electron

GL<>It seems some companies are using "shipping charges" as profit enhancers of
GL<>sorts.

Hi Greg!
I agree, And not just Ham radio Dealers, Almost all companys who sell
through the mail use the "shipping and Handleing" charges to make big
bucks off of their buyers How can a $10.00 12oz item cast $&.95 to ship?
Impossible!
                73 de N6OID
                        EJ!

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:25 1995
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In article <3vldok$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>I also know that Radio City is on the net, but I haven't seen many
>complaints about them.

Can't say much, I guess. I ordered a Yaesu FT-2400 and an Astron RS-20M power
supply from Radio City the week before Dayton 1994. Overall the person I spoke
with was pleasant and answered all my questions. The prices quoted were on par
with AES and HRO, but he whipped their shipping costs hand down.

I have never really gotten a good grasp on shipping charges. More to the
point, if UPS charges $7.50 shipping, why does A charge $25 and B charge $15
when both are in the same zone?

It seems some companies are using "shipping charges" as profit enhancers of
sorts.

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            AX.25    - ke4dpx@w4cn.#ncky.ky.usa.noam
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (George Van Wagner)
Subject: Re: Amateur (jerks) Electronic Supply
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Can't say for sure, but if I were a shop shipping a $2000 HF rig, I would
definitely want to make sure it was insured to the hilt. I've seen enough
munched UPS packages come through our warehouse door. Also, the mail order
dealer has to pay someone to package that puppy so it can resist shipping
gorillas. Boxes aren't cheap, either. If the mail order shop has lowered
their margin on items enough to make the average ham only grumble a little
bit about how expensive these rice boxes are, he probably can't really
afford to absorb all the shipping expense.

George KE6EPC


In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Greg Law) wrote:

> In article <3vldok$[e-mail]>,
> [e-mail] says...
> >
> >I also know that Radio City is on the net, but I haven't seen many
> >complaints about them.
>
> Can't say much, I guess. I ordered a Yaesu FT-2400 and an Astron RS-20M power
> supply from Radio City the week before Dayton 1994. Overall the person I
spoke
> with was pleasant and answered all my questions. The prices quoted were
on par
> with AES and HRO, but he whipped their shipping costs hand down.
>
> I have never really gotten a good grasp on shipping charges. More to the
> point, if UPS charges $7.50 shipping, why does A charge $25 and B charge $15
> when both are in the same zone?
>
> It seems some companies are using "shipping charges" as profit enhancers of
> sorts.
>
> --
> =========================================================================
> 73 de Greg  AMPRNet  - [e-mail] [44.106.56.35]
>             AX.25    - ke4dpx@w4cn.#ncky.ky.usa.noam
>             Internet - [e-mail]
>  =========================================================================


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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Greg Law) wrote:

> I have never really gotten a good grasp on shipping charges. More to
> the point, if UPS charges $7.50 shipping, why does A charge $25 and
> B charge $15 when both are in the same zone?
>
> It seems some companies are using "shipping charges" as profit
> enhancers of sorts.

Don't know if the Amateur dealers are doing this, but other companies
sure are.  A few years ago I ordered some non-Ham parts from a company
several states away.  What arrived was not what I had ordered, and the
items I wanted were not in stock.  The company refused to offer a
refund, but I had paid over the phone with a credit card so I shipped
the items back, then called the card company for a credit.

What I didn't know was that when card companies issue a credit on
returned merchandise, they are obligated to do so for everything
except shipping charges.  Because of this, I ended up in an argument
with the credit card folks concerning the difference between shipping
charges, and "shipping and handling".  The vendor was claiming that
shipping/handling charges should not be refunded, and their invoice
showed this item at about $30.00.  However, the carrier's tag on the
carton showed actual shipping charges to be about $7.00.  To make this
short, I won the argument and received the credit, but only because I
had proof of the actual shipping charges.

The moral is, "shipping and handling" can be practically any amount
the seller wants it to be.  It may be a long ways from actual shipping
charges, and this is a good thing to remember if there's a dispute
later.  Even if the merchant won't refund handling charges, the credit
card company will.

There's also something to be said for having UPS (or your favorite
carrier) pick up the shipment on *your* behalf instead of the
seller's.  That way, you pay shipping directly to the carrier and the
exact amount is never in dispute.

73,

Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:28 1995
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Subject: Anyone know about Shelby Hamfest?
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Can anyone tell me the dates of the Shelby, NC Hamfest?  I know that it
normally runs around the first weekend of September.  Please be sure of
your dates since I am going to be flying down from Chicago and would
HATE to find that I've arrived on the wrong date!  Thanks.

-Don Congdon-

[e-mail]
or
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:29 1995
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Subject: ARLX038 Dick Cotton, W8DX, SK
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX038
ARLX038 Dick Cotton, W8DX, SK

ZCZC AX08
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 38  ARLX038
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  August 8, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX038
ARLX038 Dick Cotton, W8DX, SK

Dick Cotton, W8DX, a former FCC engineer in charge at the Detroit
Field Office, died July 29, 1995, in Detroit.  He was 89 years old.

He was born in Minneapolis in 1905 and graduated from the University
of Minnesota with a degree in ''radio engineering.''  He attended
university in the 1920s while also working as a shipboard radio
operator plying the Great Lakes.

Following a stint at a US government monitoring station on Mt. Hood,
Oregon, he joined the Federal Radio Commission's Detroit office in
the early 1930s.  He was a government employee of the FRC and then
the Federal Communications Commission continuously until retiring in
1971, finishing his career as engineer in charge.

He was first licensed in the early 1920s, and held W8LEC before
becoming W8DX.  An active DXer (331 Mixed as of 1986), he was one of
the first amateurs on the Oscar satellites and held satellite DXCC.
He was an ARRL life member.

His successor as EIC of the Detroit office, Ed Atems, W8BX,
remembered Cotton as someone who ''got on amateur television by
winding his own deflection yoke coil.''  In the early days he also
made his own variable capacitors.  Atems retired in 1978.  The
current Detroit EIC is Jim Bridgewater, AA8JD.

Richard Cotton was buried in Detroit.  He leaves a son, Richard
Cotton Jr, and a daughter, Mary Green.
NNNN
/EX



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Subject: ARLX039 Ham's war anniversary
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX039
ARLX039 Ham's war anniversary

ZCZC AX09
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 39  ARLX039
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  August 9, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX039
ARLX039 Ham's war anniversary

The young US Army Signal Corps sergeant who helped relay the ''end of
the war'' message on August 14, 1945, is an Amateur Radio legacy and
a current active ham.

Sgt Richard Zucker, today KB3YM of Ellicott City, Maryland, was a
radio operator with the 3116th Signal Service Battalion at WTJ Radio
Control on Oahu, Hawaii.  At 2314Z, the 21-year-old radioman
received a teletype message from the Pentagon station WAR near
Washington and relayed it to General Douglas MacArthur in the
Philippines.  The message announced the Japanese capitulation,
signifying the official end of World War II.

Zucker grew up in an Amateur Radio family in Mt Vernon, New York.
His father, also named Richard, was on the air in 1913 with a
kilowatt spark rig and a ''self-assigned'' call sign: 2DB.  The elder
Zucker was in the Signal Corps in World War I. Young Richard
enlisted in the service in 1942 at age 18 and was assigned to the
Signal Corps because he already knew the Morse code.  He took his
amateur license exam in 1944 while stationed in Honolulu and was
assigned his first call, W2QKT, in 1946.

After the war, Sgt Zucker earned a bachelor's degree from New York
University and a master's from Brooklyn Polytechnic Institute.
Today, he is active both on the amateur bands and on the Military
Affiliate Radio System, as AAR3EO.  His wife is Doris Jean Hauck.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Fishman, FSAC)
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Subject: Atlas Radio
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Has anybody out there ordered and RECEIVED an Atlas 400X transceiver ???

My friend ordered one over 2 YEARS ago and has nothing...Atlas is not

answering there phone lately....

Any poop on Atlas is appreciated..

Clark Fishman  WA2UNN  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Date: 7 Aug 1995 23:05:25 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(CHRIS CONKLIN (N0PAV)) writes: >

> Strong Suggestion- yes.  Requirement- heck no!

Indeed. Not every repeater owner is going to go through the trouble of
replacing his/her controller just so 911 can be accessed.

> Although (thank God) we have few problems in general with people abusing the
> repeaters in our area but we had to pull the 911 support due to abuse.

Same thing here in Rhode Island. The autopatch on the 146.70 machine is not
open but requires a code to activate it. Even with that code people were still
dialing up 911 and hanging up.

What I wish is that someone would design a super-controller where each user
has their own access code. This wouldn't be too difficult to implement but the
only hole I see is someone capturing the individuals code and then using it.
On the other hand you could use some sort of transmitter fingerprinting to ID
the person too but how many repeater owners really want to do stuff like this?


Tony

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== [e-mail]
== Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a nation.


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Herndon R. Elliott)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 1995 00:50:04 GMT
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[e-mail] (John LaMartina) wrote:

sniperoo

>An open 911 autopatch is an excellent idea, until abused !
>Our area has experienced late night prank calls and abuses of open 911.
>Guess who is responsible...  It's the repeater owner/club.
>It's our phone number that shows up at 911, not the callers.
>One local club was forced to take its autopatch off the system because
>  of open 911 misuse and prank calls.

Theres a fairly simple solution to this problem, which one of our
local repeaters also encountered.  Call the police department (the
folks who administer the 911 system) and describe the fact that you
have a public access phone line, and no repeat NO 911 calls should be
traced to this number.  If the call isn't resolvable over the air, the
local system simply drops it from the 911 queue.  Problem was solved,
no more late night wake-ups for the repeater owner, we still have 911
access via the repeater.




Herndon Elliott
KE4KUZ - 147.505o/146.505i or 444.575
Internet: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Herndon R. Elliott)
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Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 1995 00:50:05 GMT
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[e-mail] (John Chapman) wrote:


> Even when the operator tells 911 that it's radio phone if the patch is dropped
> (many times it takes so long for 911 to get right enity on line that the
>3 minute timeout takes over) the 911 operator dials back on that line and
>gets nothing. So again the deputy is dispatched.
>  Anyway we tell our members to use patch for 911 only if there is no one else
>to handle the call.

Sounds like your 911 activity needs to get a life.



Herndon Elliott
KE4KUZ - 147.505o/146.505i or 444.575
Internet: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Date: 8 Aug 1995 04:12:17 GMT
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Tony Pelliccio ([e-mail]) recently wrote
            in <[e-mail]>:
: In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
:            (CHRIS CONKLIN (N0PAV)) writes: >

: > Although (thank God) we have few problems in general with people abusing the
: > repeaters in our area but we had to pull the 911 support due to abuse.

: Same thing here in Rhode Island. The autopatch on the 146.70 machine is not
: open but requires a code to activate it. Even with that code people were still
: dialing up 911 and hanging up.

We have solved that dilema by programming the number of the regional
highway patrol dispatch center to ring when 911 is dialed as part of an
autopatch. The days of * on # off have long passed, the same thing is now
happening to 911. Our repeater covers over nine counties as well as three
area codes. Chances are the local 911 call would not be able to be
transfered to the right agency if they were several counties away.

Before we "mandate" third party 911 calling on amateur radio service
repeaters, we might want to review the salient rules of Part 97. The
Amateur Radio Service is not a common carrier radio service.

Seems to me a control operator must be present. I don't know of any
repeater trustees in major metropolitan areas who are willing to allow
anyone who can press 911 on their radio to be an instant control operator.

Bob
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Cliff Frescura)
Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 00:25:03 GMT
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rwf ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Tim- You wrote:

: >I feel very strongly on this that it should be a mandated requirement
: >that if your repeater has auto patch then anyone with an emergency should
: >be able to dial 911 or *911 to contact the 911 Emergency services and #
: >to end the call.

: My repeaters cover 6 Counties in Metro Atlanta.
: It takes over 50 individual speed dials to allow users to contact the various
: Sheriffs, County Police, City Police, State Patrol and National Park service
: Departments that serve our communities.  We cover 3 area codes as well!

: In your " mandate " ,  who do you suggest we call when 911 is entered?  Any
: choice could be as far as 60 miles from the affected area.  We don't even
: dial "911" in our home county because  the highly intelligent 911 operators
: insist on sending police cars to the address of the repeater (even though
: they are given the correct location of the problem)!  We dial the individual
: 10 digit numbers for the 911 equivalent for each area.

: So you see,  the idea is good, I agree with you.  But repeaters covering large
: Metro areas do have different requirements than repeaters in areas like yours.

: By the way, the Repeater owners have pretty much standardized on ten
: autodial codes that work on most repeaters.   0*0 will almost always get
: you the Atlanta PD,  0*3, the Cobb County Police, etc..


: Ralph Fowler  N4NEQ
: Atlanta GA


Yea, add to that the idiots that play with their TT pads.  As I recall,
dialing 911 for kicks can lead to jail time and a hefty fine.

Plus it acts as a filter to reduce the amount of trivial calls to
emergency personnel.

Sure, I'll go along with your mandate, I bet the dispatchers at 911 will
love it!

73,
Cliff K3LL
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John LaMartina)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Date: 8 Aug 1995 10:14:55 -0400
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Barry Rose ([e-mail]) wrote:
: My repeater organization has been under the impression that it is a law that
: if you have a phone patch you must have access to 911.

: Barry Rose

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
       a  LAW  that mandates a club REPEATER Autopatch ?

I don't think so.  A public phone or cell phone, maybe....
But a privately owned and operated telephone line,
     I'd like to see this one.......

     -= 73 =-  john  k3nxu   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (dgorevin)
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Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
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[e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio) writes:


> What I wish is that someone would design a super-controller where each user
> has their own access code. This wouldn't be too difficult to implement but th
> only hole I see is someone capturing the individuals code and then using it.
> On the other hand you could use some sort of transmitter fingerprinting to ID
> the person too but how many repeater owners really want to do stuff like this


    I have built my own controller . And I added that very feature. The
repeater is considered "open" but the phone is "closed". All that is requred
is to fill out a form, read the instructions and sign it. Each amatuer family
is then issued thier own PIN. I still do not allow "911" access, the phone
hangs up as soon as it sees a "91" for the first 2 digits. However, All the
control ops have a code that they can use to bring up the patch that does
allow "911" in addition the 3 min. timer is disabled. Also the controller
senses the local PD number and disables the 3 min timer. Although the 3 min
timer is required by FCC rules, I feel that if you are calling 911 or the
local PD you are handling an emergency situation.



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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Walt Johnson)
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Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Date: 8 Aug 1995 15:59:55 GMT
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This is a two sided problem...and I've been on both sides, winnning and
losing.

Twice in the last month I've been first on the scene at a MVA while
traveling away from my home area. The first, near Laconia NH at 11:30 PM
I was unable to raise any ham on three repeaters to place a 911 call for
me and waited for a car with a cell phone to come and call 911. The
second, last sunday evening, at 10:00 PM I was successful in raising a
station to place a 911 call for me and we had police on the
scene within three minutes, ambulance in eight minutes.

Also, consider the following potential scenario...a new ham encounters
an emergency situtation, dials *911 and get the call started but is
unable to continue the communication because he doesn't understand the
process well...it shows up as a dead call but is actually a cockpit
problem with the caller.

Walt Johnson                                                   N3385L
KB2UOU                                                   Cessna A185E
Loral Federal Systems Group                                  EDO 2790
Owego, New York 13827                          The comments expressed
[e-mail]                           above are my own and do
(607-751-2158)                               not reflect the position
FAX[phone])                            of the Loral Corporation






From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:39 1995
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Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Date: 8 Aug 95 14:32:49 -0600
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio) writes:
> What I wish is that someone would design a super-controller where each user
> has their own access code. This wouldn't be too difficult to implement but the
> only hole I see is someone capturing the individuals code and then using it.
> On the other hand you could use some sort of transmitter fingerprinting to ID
> the person too but how many repeater owners really want to do stuff like this?

You'd also have to consider the case that an individual might have multiple
radios that they use to access said repeater.  Sounds like this kind of access
control would become an administrative nightmare.

Some of the repeaters around here have digital access.  That would do what you
want, but it's probably expensive.

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Date: 8 Aug 95 13:10:46 -0800
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio) writes:
> What I wish is that someone would design a super-controller where each user
> has their own access code. This wouldn't be too difficult to implement but
> the
> only hole I see is someone capturing the individuals code and then using it.

That could be done with having just one code, too.

The problem I see with this suggestion is that there will be that many more
possibilities for someone out there screwing around punching buttons.  Sooner
or later someone is going to hit upon a correct combination and when there
are so many to choose from, it is going to happen sooner.

> Tony

Ken
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (CHRIS CONKLIN (N0PAV))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 8 Aug 95 22:41:34 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (dgorevin)
 write>

<<stuff deleted...>>
> hangs up as soon as it sees a "91" for the first 2 digits. However, All the
> control ops have a code that they can use to bring up the patch that does
> allow "911" in addition the 3 min. timer is disabled. Also the controller
> senses the local PD number and disables the 3 min timer. Although the 3 min
> timer is required by FCC rules, I feel that if you are calling 911 or the
> local PD you are handling an emergency situation.

Using a different # for 911 access, and only giving it to people who
understand the limitations and hazards of the autopatch (i.e  automatically
traced and is impossible to ringback if the E911 operator calls the number
back), seems to work here- although 99% of the time it is best, and people use
the speeddial number of the specific agency/municipality they need to speak to.

Our machine(s) also disable the regular TO timer for all emergency speed dialed
numbers, and there is not a reason to worry about violating part 97:

97.213 (b) concerns Telecommand of an amateur station:
"Provisions are incorportated to limit transmissions by the station to a period
of no more than 3 minutes in the event of malfunctioning in the control link."

As long as the radio-user unkeys every 3 minutes (and with a half-duplex patch
I would hope the period is much shorter than this!!) the patch can run
infinitely, just as your repeater's transmitter is not required to unkey
momentarily every 3 minutes.

Another response to this thread commented on 911 dialing the Highway
Patrol/State police.  Is there any move anywhere to standardize this (yes I
know- this is just as easily abused).  The cellphone companies in Iowa either
had exactly one bright idea, or were forced (by some enlightened bureaucrat!)
to support  *55 as an autodial to the IHP.  Easy to remember, universal
throughout the area, etc.  Too bad a few "hams" have to screw up universal
codes like this on amateur repeaters by playing games ("hams" is used loosely,
since these violators are not true hams in the elegant sense, and some probably
are not even licensed).

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Christopher Conklin
Public Policy Masters Student: University of Northern Iowa
Net:[e-mail]

Amateur Radio voice: 444.650Mhz n0pav/rpt
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David C. Gingrich)
Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (News Admin)
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In article <405k07$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Chapman) wrote:

>   Try as we will we can't get either 911 office to put permanent note
> saying what that phone line is. It is a second line to that hams home.


The problem with this approach is that the public safety agencies do not
control what is displayed on the PSAP display (E-911), the telephone
company database is where that info resides. Our local repeater's phone
line comes up at the sheriff's dept, displaying "Ham Radio Phone Patch"
Which helps a lot. But this was arranged with the telco, not the sheriff's
dept.  (it didn't hurt to have a couple of telco employees in the club)

Dave, K9DC


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From: [e-mail] (Robert Schulz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
Date: 9 Aug 1995 08:48:45 GMT
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David C. Gingrich ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <405k07$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Chapman) wrote:

: >   Try as we will we can't get either 911 office to put permanent note
: > saying what that phone line is. It is a second line to that hams home.

: The problem with this approach is that the public safety agencies do not
: control what is displayed on the PSAP display (E-911), the telephone
: company database is where that info resides. Our local repeater's phone
: line comes up at the sheriff's dept, displaying "Ham Radio Phone Patch"
: Which helps a lot. But this was arranged with the telco, not the sheriff's
: dept.  (it didn't hurt to have a couple of telco employees in the club)

It depends on the nature of your local 911 dispatch system - many agencies
have computer-aided dispatch systems that are capable of flagging specific
phone numbers/addresses with special information the dispatcher needs to
know - this is usually call history, officer safety, and hazardous
materials information, but any sort of relevant information can be put
into the dispatch system.


Robert Schulz  KC6UDS
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
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In article <402vvq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Barry Rose) writes:
>My repeater organization has been under the impression that it is a law that
>if you have a phone patch you must have access to 911.

No. Must carry only applies to common carriers (and isn't universal even
then, depending on State PSC tariffs), and your repeater patch is not a
common carrier. Amateur stations can't be common carriers as per Part 97.

Gary

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:45 1995
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On Tue, 8 Aug 1995, Herndon R. Elliott wrote:

>
> [e-mail] (John Chapman) wrote:
>
>
> > Even when the operator tells 911 that it's radio phone if the patch is dropped

Stuff Deleted
>
> Sounds like your 911 activity needs to get a life.
>
That comment wasn't needed.

Now that everyone on this thread has or has not read this thread it has
raised some great questions as to how to correct and proper training for
the 911 communicators.  Now ask yourselves:  "What can I do to make the
system better."

There is major room for improvement.  Cut Downs are not the solution to
the problem.  It just shows that most are uninformed or misinformed or
just plain don't care about their fellow man.

At least the Phones haven't started being answered by the local Dunken
Doughnut shop yet..

Maybe there is still hope.

Tim Wright  KD4OVM

[e-mail]


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In article <[e-mail]> Tim writes:

  > Stuff Deleted
  > >
  > > Sounds like your 911 activity needs to get a life.
  > >
  > That comment wasn't needed.

  And then follows up with:

  > At least the Phones haven't started being answered by the local Dunken
  > Doughnut shop yet..

  pot - kettle - black.

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:48 1995
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On Tue, 8 Aug 1995, dgorevin wrote:

> Date: Tue, 08 AUG 95 07:43:43 MST
> From: dgorevin <[e-mail]>
> Newgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
> Subject: Re: Auto patch and 911
>
> [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio) writes:
>
>
> > What I wish is that someone would design a super-controller where each user
> > has their own access code. This wouldn't be too difficult to implement but th
> > only hole I see is someone capturing the individuals code and then using it.
> > On the other hand you could use some sort of transmitter fingerprinting to ID
> > the person too but how many repeater owners really want to do stuff like this
>
>
>     I have built my own controller . And I added that very feature. The
> repeater is considered "open" but the phone is "closed". All that is requred
> is to fill out a form, read the instructions and sign it. Each amatuer family
> is then issued thier own PIN. I still do not allow "911" access, the phone
> hangs up as soon as it sees a "91" for the first 2 digits. However, All the
> control ops have a code that they can use to bring up the patch that does
> allow "911" in addition the 3 min. timer is disabled. Also the controller
> senses the local PD number and disables the 3 min timer. Although the 3 min
> timer is required by FCC rules, I feel that if you are calling 911 or the
> local PD you are handling an emergency situation.
>
>
>
> ================================================================================
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>
> David N. Gorevin, N7DJZ                      [e-mail]
> 2310 E. June St.                             Home-602.890.0689
> Mesa, AZ 85213-2912
> ================================================================================
>
So far, this seems like the best IDEA......
But I still have a lot of posts to thumb through.


Tim Wright  KD4OVM


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From: [e-mail] (Al Gerheim)
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I seem to recall seeing a brochure from an outfit that made
autopatch-only machines.  You set one up at home (with a good
antenna), and it'll let you access your home phone line while
remote.

I remember that the devices were a bit pricey, considering the
complexity of the problem.  Does anyone know more about the
company, or about low-cost methods of achieving the same end?

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RHooverAL)
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CES offers a nice line of telephone interconnects. The cheapest being the
personal patch 410. It does not have all of the DTMF programming features
as the higher priced models but it will get you connected to a land line
for about $170.00. They also have great tech. support. You don't hear that
much.
Russell,  KE4TBV


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael McCarthy)
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In article <3vqjl9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>We are trying to buy a brand-new straight key for our club.  We will
>appreciate any comments about various straight keys.  Thanks!
>
>
>73, Yuzuru Suzuki, AA1JA (Member of Harvard Wireless Club, W1AF
>                          E-mail Address: [e-mail])
>

I am partial to a Speed-X all brass key.  I think that AES still
carries them.

--
Mike McCarthy
===================== Give every man his Dew ===========================
Michael A. McCarthy
Everest Engineering Corporation, Consultants
4 Barnes Circle, Marlborough, MA 01752
[phone]
E-mail to [e-mail]



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In article <408sj3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael McCarthy) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Michael McCarthy)
>Subject: Re: Best Straight Key?
>Date: 8 Aug 1995 23:39:15 GMT

>In article <3vqjl9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>
>>We are trying to buy a brand-new straight key for our club.  We will
>>appreciate any comments about various straight keys.  Thanks!
>>
TWO OF THE BEST STRAIGHT KEYS ARE

1) The "Swedish Pump" - beautiful teakwood and brass piece hand made by
Lennart Petterson of Hoverberg, Sweden.  If you can't find a dealer, contact
Finnish Amateur Radio League, PL 44, 00440 Helsinki, Finland.

2) German made Schurr Keys dist. by Electronic Switch Co. in Marietta, Georgia.
Contact Verne W8BLA at (404) 518-HOFI.

73
Frank Smith AH0W/OH2LVG



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:51 1995
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[e-mail] (Yuzuru Suzuki) wrote:
>We are trying to buy a brand-new straight key for our club.  We will
>appreciate any comments about various straight keys.  Thanks!
>

Bar none, unless you're looking for a really fancy (marble base, blah,
blah) type of key, the pump key made by KENT, LTD. is just fabulous.
Beautiful looking, works great and has just the right substantial "feel"
that separates it from anything else I've ever used.  The current crop of
"keys for the masses"  pales in comparison.

An obviously unbiased opinion :-)  Really guys, it beats something like a
Bencher all to blazes.

Grant/NQ5T



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:52 1995
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>[e-mail] (Yuzuru Suzuki) wrote:
>>We are trying to buy a brand-new straight key for our club.  We will
>>appreciate any comments about various straight keys.  Thanks!

Dang, it difficult to keep a secret, but a U.S. manufacturer
of telegraphic sending devices is now tooling up to produce a
straight key for the first time in their 100-year history. It
promises to be the very very very best straight key ever built.
Sounds like a riddle? Email me for details.

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:53 1995
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[e-mail] (Frank R. Smith) wrote:
>In article <408sj3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael McCarthy) writes:
>>From: [e-mail] (Michael McCarthy)
>>Subject: Re: Best Straight Key?
>>Date: 8 Aug 1995 23:39:15 GMT
>
>>In article <3vqjl9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>>
>>>We are trying to buy a brand-new straight key for our club.  We will
>>>appreciate any comments about various straight keys.  Thanks!
>>>
>TWO OF THE BEST STRAIGHT KEYS ARE
>
>1) The "Swedish Pump" - beautiful teakwood and brass piece hand made by
>Lennart Petterson of Hoverberg, Sweden.  If you can't find a dealer, contact
>Finnish Amateur Radio League, PL 44, 00440 Helsinki, Finland.
>
>2) German made Schurr Keys dist. by Electronic Switch Co. in Marietta, Georgia.
>Contact Verne W8BLA at (404) 518-HOFI.
>
>73
>Frank Smith AH0W/OH2LVG
>

The secret is not the key, it's the fist!

                   Jim WB6LWS in Pacifica, CA



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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  > Dang, it difficult to keep a secret, but a U.S. manufacturer
  > of telegraphic sending devices is now tooling up to produce a
  > straight key for the first time in their 100-year history. It
  > promises to be the very very very best straight key ever built.
  > Sounds like a riddle? Email me for details.
  >
  > Jeff NH6IL

  I've got a secret and I'm not telling. Neener neener neener...
  Geeze jeff. It's Vibroplex. Under the new ownership, of course they're
  gonna do something different.
  I can't wait to buy a straight key from these people. Especially if
  it's anything like the other 3 keys they made that I have.


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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frederic Tronel)
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Hello,

Here's  adresse for several call books :
www.acs.ncsu.edu/HamRadio/CallServers.html

and then adresse for finnish : www.man.ac.uk/cgi-bin/callbook
_____________________ Austria,Cuba,Italy,Turkey : www.qrz.com/callbook.html


I always need an adress for german callbook.

Fred
F1SDZ

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:38:56 1995
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Monninger) says:
>
>In article <401quf$[e-mail]> Harold Lines <[e-mail]> writes:
>> ...
>>Of course, there's no way of telling how the CCRs will be enforced when
>>you buy your house, but you might just luck into a situation like mine.
>>Try putting up a couple of antennas and see if anyone says something.
>>You might just be pleasantly surprised.
>
>I live across town from Harold (in Gilbert, AZ) and I have a similar
>situation. There are CC&R's prohibiting the normal things but there was no
>enforcement written into them, no board or homeowner's association...only a
>civil suit and the loser pays all costs. There were several TV antennas in the
>neighborhood already so I put up my vertical on the roof. No one said
>anything.  I now have three antennas up and a 8.5 ft TVRO dish. No one has
>said anything in 6 years so I figure I'm safe. At one time the mayor lived
>across the street, the town manager lived next door, and a couple town
>councilmen lived in the neighborhood, too.
>
>No one pays any attention to the CC&R's any more and, amazingly enough, the
>neighborhood has not gone to hell in a handbasket. Property values have
>steadily risen (could it be the LACK of CC&R enforcement? Perish the thought!)
>and houses put on the market sell faster than average. I don't know how the
>neighbors would feel about a nice tower & beam, but I don't have the money or
>real desire to have one anyway.
>
>On the other hand, most of the newer ticky-tacky developments in the area have
>the standard bull(chicken-?)shit CC&R's and gestapo HA's to go with them. I
>guess we just lucked out.
>
>73...    Mark   AA7TA
All kidding aside, if you do not get the relief you are looking for.  Check into
livestock restrictions.  Nothing like a couple smelly Hogs grazing in your yard
to bring the neighbors to their senses :)  It has worked in many places before.
Best time is summertime when the winds of summer blow the right direction.

Gary


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This week in the beautiful neighborhood I live in, we are attempting
to get enough signatures to change the covenant regarding outdoor
antennas. In the CCR document that I and all my neighbors signed is a
provision that enables anyone with the ability to get 75% of the
homeowners to agree to a change, to effect the change. My
responsibility as a licensed operator is to handle my radio affairs in
a neighborly and professional manner. I have to restrain myself from
acts that would tarnish the image of the hobby.

Lots of folks have seen the effects of mega-amped CB radios on their
TV sets and are suspicious of ham antennas. By simply showing your
neighbors around your shack and making an honest effort to get them
interested in radio, you can solve most of the problems. A little
diplomacy can go a long way.

I explained to my neighbors that my station would be used to assist
the community during a disaster or national emergency. Outlining the
tower constuction limitations in the covenants, limiting the height to
a reasonable size for the neighborhood and conforming with the local
ordinances regarding setbacks and materials; agreeing to cease any
activities that disrupt commercial reception; and just being nice
about the whole situation will probably get your tower built.

Change the CCRs.



[e-mail] (Ross Alexander) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Hank Oredson) writes:

>>You have little or no control over the use of the property you own;
>>what you can do, how you do it, and when you can do it has been
>>decided for you.  If you don't like it, you CANNOT "buy some other
>>house" because they don't exist.

>So, this building I'm living in isn't a house?  Heck, I don't even have
>a permit for the building, much less the tower (more planned!).

>regards,
>Ross ve6pdq

>ps: my point: the western US isn't the whole world.
>--
>Ross Alexander, ve6pdq  --  [phone]  --  [e-mail]




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Curt Phillips ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Steve Wilson) wrote:
: >Curtis Wheeler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >: [e-mail] (Steve Wilson) wrote:
: >Notice
: >how absolute I made that statement.  I'd love to be proved wrong on
: >this, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that you can't find a
: >new house developement anywhere in the country that doesn't prohibit
: >external towers/antennas in some fashion.

:   We still have developments here in central N.C. that don't have
: restrictions against antennas.  You have to get away from the Raleigh/
: Research Triangle area, but you can still be within commuting distance.


How many donuts would you like bearing in mind that I have to packetize
them before I send them to you via the net.. ;-)

:   As an ME, that's one of the reasons I took a real estate course
: (only $15 at the local community college) before I bought my house
: 12 years ago.  Actually, I took the course 4 years before I bought
: my house, and as I bought and sold some land prior to buying the
: house, it paid for the time and effort overwhelmingly in the real
: estate fees I saved by handling some of the sales myself.

A good idea!  But this is to my point also(I don't really think you
were arguing with me ;-)  in that most of us are ignorant.  A class
on the subject is a pretty good remedy for the situation!

I'm fortunate in having been exposed to this subject pretty
thoroughly when growing up.  My dad is a real estate appraiser
and I helped him on weekends to make my spending money.  My
grandfather was an agent also, and both of them did general
contracting as well at one time or another.  So I've been around
the building/land business as an observer for awhile.  As you'd
imagine, there were a lot of calls to Dad when I made the offer
on my first house!

:   When I made the offer for the house, it was contingent upon their
: being "no restrictions on outside antennas".  I've been a ham since
: I was 13 years old, and a car/home without an antenna is unthinkable!
: Fortunately, this development was out in the boonies (but not so much,
: nowadays) and there was no restrictions on antennas.  There WERE
: quite a few other restrictions though, and I'm glad I knew about them
: before purchasing the house.
:   I definitely recommend taking a real estate course if you can.

Good idea!

: Curt Phillips KD4YU (ex-WB4LHI)      |"I don't want to gain immortality

Steve KA6S


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In article <405q2b$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Hank Oredson) writes:
|>
|> And just how do towers and antennas affect adjoining property values?
|> The answer is "They do not."

I'll bet you also think having a house next door that has 4 foot high weeds
and junked cars on the front lawn won't effect your chances of selling your
house too.  Like it or not, some people (non-hams) see towers and antennae
exactly the same way.  And as long as hams make up a totally non-significant
percentage of the population, this will continue to be the case.

|>
|> Several people have already posted the results from the studies
|> which show this.

My wife sells houses for a living.  I have heard a lot of reasons why people
decide not to buy a house.  Most of them strike me as absurd, but we are talking
aesthetics here, and everyones taste is different.  CC&Rs against towers and
antennae would not exist unless someone was concerned enough about it to go to
the trouble of drafting them.  If they didn't think it would increase their ability
to sell property, do you really think developers would bother??  Large numbers of
people must agree with them, or it would become a simple matter of getting your
neightbors to agree to remove them.  It isn't, so what does that tell you??

|>
|> The issue is not one of property values, but one of "We can control
|> you, and if you do not think so, just try and put up an antenna
|> here.  We don't like them, and so we will not allow them."

Nobody is controlling the ham. He can choose to live somewhere else.  There
is no guaranteed right to have a 200 foot tower in a residential neighborhood.

|>
|> I don't happen to like lots of things my neighbors do (like
|> painting their houses in pastel colors, for example, or having
|> tiny little manicured lawns instead of natural habitat).

Then you should have looked for a place to live that had CC&Rs against those
things.  I have seen CC&R's that controlled the color you could paint your
house.  That too is an aesthetic that can adversely effect your abilty to
sell your house at a later date.  But fewer people care about it, so CC&Rs
concerning house color are much less common.

|>
|> But I do not attempt to CONTROL what they do, but rather attempt
|> to INFLUENCE how they do these things.
|>
|> In most of the Western US, if you want a tower, you cannot live in:
|> a city; a housing development; a neighborhood; a large town.
|>
|> You have little or no control over the use of the property you own;
|> what you can do, how you do it, and when you can do it has been
|> decided for you.  If you don't like it, you CANNOT "buy some other
|> house" because they don't exist.

But you agreed to that restriction before you bought the house.  End of story.
No one came in and told you after the fact that they were going to start
restricting your activities.  You agreed to the restriction when you signed the
contract for the house.  The best and only practical suggestion to come out of
any of this is the suggestion that you add a clause to the contract concerning
making all CC&Rs known and that if antennae are prohibited, the contract becomes
void.  The only other thing to do is if you really want to live in a particular
area and it prohibits antennae, you could go from house to house and see if your
prospective neighbors are willing to agree to the removal of that particular CC&R,
before you buy the house.  Of course, I highly suspect you will find that there
are a lot more people who find towers and antennae unsightly than what you think.

And in the end, it comes down to what I said above.  Ham's are a statistically
insignificant number in the population.  And this is after all, supposed to be
a democracy, with majority rule.

All the best.

bill   KB3YV

--
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[e-mail]         |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton   |
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Bill Gunshannon ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I'll bet you also think having a house next door that has 4 foot high weeds
: and junked cars on the front lawn won't effect your chances of selling your
: house too.  Like it or not, some people (non-hams) see towers and antennae
: exactly the same way.  And as long as hams make up a totally non-significant
: percentage of the population, this will continue to be the case.


Well, first Bill, you are ignoring what the "scientific" studies
say, and second you are ignoring a fundamental piece of human
behavior.  People don't look up, they look at eye level or
lower typically.

I have a quick existance proof of this.  When I was first courting
my XYL, I took her over to my house the first time, and I'd warned
her about the HF antenna I had in the middle of the roof.  The house
is your typical 1960's ranch style house in the burbs.  The antenna
is about 20 feet above the roof mounted smack dab in the center of same.

Well, to make a long story short.  We visited my house for the first
time, then after we'd pulled away, and were down the street aways
I asked what she thought of the antenna... "Oh darn, I forgot to  look!"
She hadn't noticed it EVEN THOUGH SHE KNEW ABOUT IT and was expecting
to see some horrible monstrosity.  It just didn't enter her field
of vision while we walked up to the house front door, or left.
: |>
: |> Several people have already posted the results from the studies
: |> which show this.

: My wife sells houses for a living.  I have heard a lot of reasons why people
: decide not to buy a house. Most of them strike me as absurd,but we are talkin
: aesthetics here, and everyones taste is different.  CC&Rs against towers and
: antennae would not exist unless someone was concerned enough about it to go to
: the trouble of drafting them.If they didn't think it would increase their ability
: to sell property, do you really think developers would bother??  Large numbers of
: people must agree with them, or it would become a simple matter of getting your
: neightbors to agree to remove them.  It isn't, so what does that tell you??

It tells me that there are alot of control freaks out there!  The problem is
that the supply and demand are all out of whack.  Sure there are some
people that will only move into places like this...but then there
is the another set, that I would argue is the silent majority, that
are just like hams, and that don't know the  CC&R's are even there!

The ignorance arguement can be used quite strongly here...just as
we don't know enough to ask about CC&R's when were looking, the
average home buyer probably doesn't either.

Your wife sells real estate, but has she ever done land development?

The typical developer just uses the same set of CC&R's over and over
again.  In fact, one adhock survey found that there are just
four boiler-plate sets of CC&R's in the Greater LA area (like
San Diego to Santa Barbara) in use by all the different developers!

There isn't a whole lot of thinking here...the formula works (so
they think..) so they keep repeating it, and the general public
doesn't know what they are getting into typically, especially if
you are the second buyer of the property!

: |> The issue is not one of property values, but one of "We can control
: |> you, and if you do not think so, just try and put up an antenna
: |> here.  We don't like them, and so we will not allow them."

: Nobody is controlling the ham. He can choose to live somewhere else.  There
: is no guaranteed right to have a 200 foot tower in a residential neighborhood.

Where?  Within the town I live in there are three sets of developments.

There is stuff that is vintage 1960's, there is stuff that is circa 1980,
and the majority is circa 1990+.  So the vast majority of the property
I can buy has CC&Rs on it(1980+) and the majority of that set includes
CC&R's that prohibit antennas.

Further, you assume it's gonna be a 200 foot tower...no...55 feet will
do thank you, and that is actually limit placed by most of the
municipalities around here.   But this isn't even relevant since the
CC&R's prohibit ANY antenna.

You say I have a choice as to where I get to live...yep...anything in
this town built around 1960 will be what I'm restricted too!  I don't
accept that as a reasonable answer!

: |>
: |> I don't happen to like lots of things my neighbors do (like
: |> painting their houses in pastel colors, for example, or having
: |> tiny little manicured lawns instead of natural habitat).

: Then you should have looked for a place to live that had CC&Rs against those
: things.  I have seen CC&R's that controlled the color you could paint your
: house.  That too is an aesthetic that can adversely effect your abilty to
: sell your house at a later date.  But fewer people care about it, so CC&Rs
: concerning house color are much less common.

Yeah..and CC&Rs as to what type of front door you have, and what style
roof you have, etc. Tell these dweebs to get a life and start worrying
about their own affairs, not mine!

: |> to INFLUENCE how they do these things.
: |>
: |> In most of the Western US, if you want a tower, you cannot live in:
: |> a city; a housing development; a neighborhood; a large town.
: |>
: |> You have little or no control over the use of the property you own;
: |> what you can do, how you do it, and when you can do it has been
: |> decided for you.  If you don't like it, you CANNOT "buy some other
: |> house" because they don't exist.

: But you agreed to that restriction before you bought the house.  End of story.

Uh..wait a minute here.  What if he didn't know about the restrictions.

You are ignoring that full disclosure isn't required in all 50 states!

: No one came in and told you after the fact that they were going to start
: restricting your activities.  You agreed to the restriction when you signed the
: contract for the house.  The best and only practical suggestion to come out of
: any of this is the suggestion that you add a clause to the contract concerning
: making all CC&Rs known and that if antennae are prohibited, the contract becomes
: void.  The only other thing to do is if you really want to live in a particular
: area and it prohibits antennae, you could go from house to house and see if your
: prospective neighbors are willing to agree to the removal of that particular CC&R,
: before you buy the house.  Of course, I highly suspect you will find that there
: are a lot more people who find towers and antennae unsightly than what you think.

: And in the end, it comes down to what I said above.  Ham's are a statistically
: insignificant number in the population.  And this is after all, supposed to be
: a democracy, with majority rule.

Yep, and protection of a minorities rights.  (Igoring the fact that
I don't have a right to put up a tower from a federal point of view.)
What about the right to live in a place that I can afford, and
raise my family.  There are enough places that are seniors only, or
now children as an example.  (In CA the above is illegal...I don't
know about other locales. )   The point is that there are deceptive
selling practices going on in many places, and there is also a huge
busy-body factor that just isn't right!

: All the best.

: bill   KB3YV

Steve KA6S


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   [e-mail] (Steve Wilson) wrote:
>
>You say I have a choice as to where I get to live...yep...anything in
>this town built around 1960 will be what I'm restricted too!  I don't
>accept that as a reasonable answer!

I really don't understand the basis of this argument.  The houses you
want to buy are private property.  They don't belong to you.  Why
would you ever think you have the right to tell the seller what
conditions he should be allowed to place on the sale?  The solution is
no different than if you lived somewhere that had no jobs - find a
different place to live.

>Yeah..and CC&Rs as to what type of front door you have, and what
>style roof you have, etc. Tell these dweebs to get a life and start
>worrying about their own affairs, not mine!

It is exactly their own affairs that they *are* worrying about.  If
you don't want to agree to the restrictions, the sellers are
perfectly happy to see you walk away.  You, on the other hand, are
implying that they should be forced to sell regardless of your intent,
and without regard for their own well-being.  The fact that you don't
agree with them as to the effect of your antennas on their welfare is
entirely irrelevant to the principles involved.

>Uh..wait a minute here.  What if he didn't know about the
>restrictions.
>
>You are ignoring that full disclosure isn't required in all 50
states!

Full disclosure is a convenience, not a substitute for the buyer's
need to be aware.  Unless you want to live in a totally socialist
state, it must be the buyer's responsibility to investigate the
merits of the purchase.  The seller only has to be honost in whatever
representations he chooses to make regarding the property.  Given that
the covenants are a matter of public record, it is difficult to
imagine how the seller could defraud a buyer in this regard.

>Yep, and protection of a minorities rights.  (Igoring the fact that
>I don't have a right to put up a tower from a federal point of view.)

The issue has nothing to do with minority rights.  It has to do with
the rights of the seller to attach whatever conditions he wishes to
the sale, be it price, time of closing, condition of the property, or
restrictive covenants.

>What about the right to live in a place that I can afford, and
>raise my family.

You have no such right - you only have the right to purchase
property that a seller agrees to sell.

>The point is that there are deceptive selling practices going on in
>many places, and there is also a huge busy-body factor that just
>isn't right!

The busy-body factor can't bother you unless you voluntarily agree to
the covenants proposed by the seller.  On the other hand, if you try
to force the seller by law to agree to your terms instead, then *you*
will have destroyed the concept of private property in a way much
worse than any covenant could ever do.

73,

Jack  WB3U


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         To say something on this subject, I refer back to Pouplar Science July
1995, issue in I believe the WHATS NEW DEPT.  Cellular phone companies have the
same problems as hams when erecting antenna towers, so one company cleverly
disguised the tower to look like a tree, and it does look like a tree in the
photo!  I wonder if enough hams wrote, or called them that they might diversify
into ham towers???  Might be an alternative neighborhoods could live with.
73's
Tony
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   [e-mail] (Steve Wilson) wrote:
>
>You say I have a choice as to where I get to live...yep...anything in
>this town built around 1960 will be what I'm restricted too!  I don't
>accept that as a reasonable answer!

I really don't understand the basis of this argument.  The houses you
want to buy are private property.  They don't belong to you.  Why
would you ever think you have the right to tell the seller what
conditions he should be allowed to place on the sale?  The solution is
no different than if you lived somewhere that had no jobs - find a
different place to live.

>Yeah..and CC&Rs as to what type of front door you have, and what
>style roof you have, etc. Tell these dweebs to get a life and start
>worrying about their own affairs, not mine!

It is exactly their own affairs that they *are* worrying about.  If
you don't want to agree to the restrictions, the sellers are
perfectly happy to see you walk away.  You, on the other hand, are
implying that they should be forced to sell regardless of your intent,
and without regard for their own well-being.  The fact that you don't
agree with them as to the effect of your antennas on their welfare is
entirely irrelevant to the principles involved.

>Uh..wait a minute here.  What if he didn't know about the
>restrictions.
>
>You are ignoring that full disclosure isn't required in all 50
states!

Full disclosure is a convenience, not a substitute for the buyer's
need to be aware.  Unless you want to live in a totally socialist
state, it must be the buyer's responsibility to investigate the
merits of the purchase.  The seller only has to be honost in whatever
representations he chooses to make regarding the property.  Given that
the covenants are a matter of public record, it is difficult to
imagine how the seller could defraud a buyer in this regard.

>Yep, and protection of a minorities rights.  (Igoring the fact that
>I don't have a right to put up a tower from a federal point of view.)

The issue has nothing to do with minority rights.  It has to do with
the rights of the seller to attach whatever conditions he wishes to
the sale, be it price, time of closing, condition of the property, or
restrictive covenants.

>What about the right to live in a place that I can afford, and
>raise my family.

You have no such right - you only have the right to purchase
property that a seller agrees to sell.

>The point is that there are deceptive selling practices going on in
>many places, and there is also a huge busy-body factor that just
>isn't right!

The busy-body factor can't bother you unless you voluntarily agree to
the covenants proposed by the seller.  On the other hand, if you try
to force the seller by law to agree to your terms instead, then *you*
will have destroyed the concept of private property in a way much
worse than any covenant could ever do.

73,

Jack  WB3U


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From: [e-mail] (Tom Randolph)
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As a ham who'll be buying a house sometime soon, I've been following this
discussion closely. My wife's a ham too, and shares similar views in regard to
CC&Rs.

A question: is there any reason the seller and I can't come to an agreement to
simply waive the CC&Rs that I don't like? Especially if this is included in a
purchase contract in some way?

The part I don't see is what a homeowner's association would have to say about
this one way or another... unless they have some way of preventing me from
buying under the conditions I want.

Luckily, there's plenty of houses with no restrictions whatsoever here in New
England.

-Tom R.   N1OOQ   [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Wilson)
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WB3U ([e-mail]) wrote:
:    [e-mail] (Steve Wilson) wrote:
: >
: >You say I have a choice as to where I get to live...yep...anything in
: >this town built around 1960 will be what I'm restricted too!  I don't
: >accept that as a reasonable answer!

: I really don't understand the basis of this argument.  The houses you
: want to buy are private property.  They don't belong to you.  Why
: would you ever think you have the right to tell the seller what
: conditions he should be allowed to place on the sale?  The solution is
: no different than if you lived somewhere that had no jobs - find a
: different place to live.

The answer you propose is rediculous.  My arguement isn't related to
a particular house, but rather an entire city!  For that matter, the
description I gave can be extended to the entire SF bay region
fairly successfully.

Your answer says that I have to move away from my job to solve my
problem.   That is the effect of implementing your answer.  My
gripe is that the available property is rediculously limited by
severe CC&R's in most of this region, yet this is the region
I MUST live in because of my particular jobs skills.  There isn't
a great deal of choice in this.

Further, the VAST majority of home owners AREN'T the ones who placed
the CC&R's on their own properties, but rather the developers of
the property.  The owners of an individual property CAN'T negate
the CC&R's attached to their properties if they choose to either!
So the arguement you make that it is part of the seller's choice
really only applies to the original developer, and not any
subsequent owners...thus the arguement seems to be invalid on
it's face in my  mind.

: It is exactly their own affairs that they *are* worrying about.  If
: you don't want to agree to the restrictions, the sellers are
: perfectly happy to see you walk away.  You, on the other hand, are
: implying that they should be forced to sell regardless of your intent,
: and without regard for their own well-being.  The fact that you don't
: agree with them as to the effect of your antennas on their welfare is
: entirely irrelevant to the principles involved.

Again...the sellers (except the original developers) don't really have
any say in this issue.

: >Uh..wait a minute here.  What if he didn't know about the
: >restrictions.
: >
: >You are ignoring that full disclosure isn't required in all 50
: states!

: Full disclosure is a convenience, not a substitute for the buyer's
: need to be aware.

It should be a mandatory convenience in my mind.  The state I live in
does have such a law.  I don't agree with you here...why bother arguing
about it.

: >Yep, and protection of a minorities rights.  (Igoring the fact that
: >I don't have a right to put up a tower from a federal point of view.)

: The issue has nothing to do with minority rights.  It has to do with
: the rights of the seller to attach whatever conditions he wishes to
: the sale, be it price, time of closing, condition of the property, or
: restrictive covenants.

Again...which seller?  Just the original developer seems to have these
rights....your arguement falls on deaf ears here.

: >What about the right to live in a place that I can afford, and
: >raise my family.

: You have no such right - you only have the right to purchase
: property that a seller agrees to sell.

So I don't have a right to pursue happiness?  Boulderdash!

: >The point is that there are deceptive selling practices going on in
: >many places, and there is also a huge busy-body factor that just
: >isn't right!

: The busy-body factor can't bother you unless you voluntarily agree to
: the covenants proposed by the seller.

That doesn't make sense.  I WON'T agree to the busy-body factor,
thus CC&R's won't let me buy a house anywhere! AND THE CC&R's aren't
propossed by anyone but the original DEVELOPER.

: On the other hand, if you try
: to force the seller by law to agree to your terms instead, then *you*
: will have destroyed the concept of private property in a way much
: worse than any covenant could ever do.

: 73,

: Jack  WB3U

Nope.  Jack, another simple fact that you ignore is the power that
Home Owners associations have.  In CA they have more power than the
federal government AND local municipalities.  They can literally
step into my home and dictate how I live my life.  I guess you haven't
heard about situations like Home Owner's associations describing
where you can't be amorous in you own household as an example.  It's
happened!    I think it is high time that we reconsider the amount
of power these little tyrants sitting on HOA boards give themselves!

Steve KA6S


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Bassett)
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             CVARC     CVARC     CVARC     CVARC     CVARC
            HAMFEST   HAMFEST   HAMFEST   HAMFEST   HAMFEST

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  The Cedar Valley Amateur Radio Club Hamfest and Fleamarket is quickly
  approaching.

  It will be on August 13th, in Cedar Rapids at the Teamsters Hall at
  5000 Jst SW.

  The hours are 8AM till 4PM.  The cost of admission is a measly
  $4, which is also your prize entry.  Of course your welcome to buy more
  than one ticket to increase your odds if you wish.

  There will be Prizes Galore !!  There will be multiple door prizes with the
  drawing for the Grand Prize Kenwood TS50 at 2PM.

  There will be 20 vendors inside the hall and who knows who many selling
  outside in the Fleamarket.

  How do I get there, you ask.  Get onto I-380 and head to Cedar Rapids.  When
  you get into Cedar Rapids get off at the 33rd Ave exit turn East on 33rd Ave
  to Jst , go South on J st for about 2 miles ( or until you see the hall on
  the right ).  There will also be signs posted to help out.  Talk in will be
  on the 146.145/745, repeater.

See you there.

73's

N0UTS

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
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In article <3vrbcf$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (gregory brown) writes:
>Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>: The purpose of any
>: communications medium is to facilitate the transmission of thoughts
>: and ideas from one person to another.
>
>That IS the point, Gary!  (Hurrah!)
>
>: The more quickly and accurately
>: it does that, the better. Almost any digital mode does that better
>: than manual Morse.
>
>Oh, darn.  Gary slips back to missing the point again.  "Faster and
>more accurately" is great (even "technologically advanced") if the
>person on the other end is capable of copying your mode.  The point of
>this mini-sub-thread is just that.  CW (Morse) is the second most used
>(popular) mode worldwide (by HF hams).  It clearly has the advantage
>of "facilitating the transmission of thoughts and ideas from one
>person to another" better than any other mode (except SSB) currently
>in use.

Nope, you miss the point. While it may be true that there are a lot
of Morse capable operators out there, Morse doesn't lend itself to
exchanges of thoughts and ideas very well. It's too slow, and too
tedious to be of much use for anything other than simple stylized
gaming contacts. While the digital modes aren't all that much faster,
type ahead at least allows you to get a thought down before you lose
the thread of the conversation from tedium, and they at least allow
you to multitask and do something else while the mechanics of transmission
proceed. SSB voice is of course more immediate, and has a more tolerable,
though still low, information rate, but it fails easily under harsh
conditions.

There's a sufficient, and growing, number of digital operators out
there now so that there's no need to lack for contacts by ignoring
the Morse operators. As I've mentioned before, it would be impossible
in your ham career to exchange ideas with more than a very limited
subset of all amateurs anyway, so the fact that you can't interoperate
with a number of them is of little consequence.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Hans Brakob) writes:
>GARY@KE4ZV opined:
>
>GG>The early SSB operators couldn't intercommunicate
>GG>with envelope detector equipped AM operators either, but eventually
>GG>the superior mode became dominant anyway.
>
>Oh NO! Gary has tired of the code vs. no-code discussion, and will
>now try to jump-start the old AM vs. SSB battle!
>
>Is someone paying him by the word? Perhaps he'll soon be able
>to retire!

Oh, dear, I've been found out. Now Yaecomwood-Tec won't pay me anymore
to help them sell more of their high buck HF rigs. You know the ones,
those hyped for manual Morse contesters? And I guess Vibroplex and
Bencher will quit slipping me money under the table as well. As long
as no one got wise, lots of you were going out and buying those
monstrosities just to spite me.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3vrbcf$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (gregory brown) writes:
: >
: >Oh, darn.  Gary slips back to missing the point again.  "Faster and
: >more accurately" is great (even "technologically advanced") if the
: >person on the other end is capable of copying your mode.  The point of
: >this mini-sub-thread is just that.  CW (Morse) is the second most used
: >(popular) mode worldwide (by HF hams).  It clearly has the advantage
: >of "facilitating the transmission of thoughts and ideas from one
: >person to another" better than any other mode (except SSB) currently
: >in use.

: Nope, you miss the point. While it may be true that there are a lot
: of Morse capable operators out there, Morse doesn't lend itself to
: exchanges of thoughts and ideas very well. It's too slow, and too
: tedious to be of much use for anything other than simple stylized
: gaming contacts.

What you are describing is Morse at 13 wpm and slower.  The effective
difference between the average ham's typing speed and medium speed
Morse (20-30 wpm) is negligible.  Morse proficient hams do indeed
exchange thoughts and ideas quite well.  Morse is only "tedious" if
the operator is not proficient...or if one is clunking along at 10 wpm.
Your stereotypic description of Morse being of no use except for
"simple stylized gaming contacts" shows an apparent ignorance of
actual Morse operation...and it's about as valid as someone saying
that all packet is good for is attracting crickets.

: While the digital modes aren't all that much faster,
: type ahead at least allows you to get a thought down before you lose
: the thread of the conversation from tedium, and they at least allow
: you to multitask and do something else while the mechanics of transmission
: proceed. SSB voice is of course more immediate, and has a more tolerable,
: though still low, information rate, but it fails easily under harsh
: conditions.

Most of the words uttered on voice modes are superfluous.  The same
thoughts and ideas can distilled down and sent efficiently with Morse
(or digital modes).  Much of what you hear on voice is the result of
people's brains not being able to keep up with their mouths.  Morse
gives you time to think of things worth saying. :-)

: There's a sufficient, and growing, number of digital operators out
: there now so that there's no need to lack for contacts by ignoring
: the Morse operators. As I've mentioned before, it would be impossible
: in your ham career to exchange ideas with more than a very limited
: subset of all amateurs anyway, so the fact that you can't interoperate
: with a number of them is of little consequence.

It would seem to be much more in keeping with the spirit of Amateur
Radio to draw your "subset" from the entire pool of world-wide hams.
As _I've_ said before, the fact that you have a sufficient number of
digital hams to talk with is a poor justification for virtually
excluding the vast majority of hams in the world who do not have
modern digital capabilities.  You have always spoken against
"class divisions" in ham radio, and yet if we as American hams were
to ignore such an internationally accessible, widespread and popular
mode as Morse, we would be going a long way towards dividing the ham
world into two classes: the "haves" and the "have-nots".

Greg
WB0RTK



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:21 1995
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WW>You folks have been at this argument for months now. Don't you have
WW>anything better to do? It's getting pretty boring.

Hi Zack,

Their favorite mode is "arguing" -- I just wish they'd find
a new topic!

73, de Hans, K0HB





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From: [e-mail] (Richard McAllister)
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In article <408dju$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (gregory brown) writes:

>It would seem to be much more in keeping with the spirit of Amateur
>Radio to draw your "subset" from the entire pool of world-wide hams.
>As _I've_ said before, the fact that you have a sufficient number of
>digital hams to talk with is a poor justification for virtually
>excluding the vast majority of hams in the world who do not have
>modern digital capabilities.  You have always spoken against
>"class divisions" in ham radio, and yet if we as American hams were
>to ignore such an internationally accessible, widespread and popular
>mode as Morse, we would be going a long way towards dividing the ham
>world into two classes: the "haves" and the "have-nots".

Uh, Greg, we already *have* divided the whole world into those with licenses
and transmitters and those without, and we've divided the ham world into
those with HF licenses and those without.  What's so repugnant about another
subdivision?  Especially one that's overcome-able for at most US$ 400, less
via scrounging.  What about the hams -- not just US ones, mind -- who
already work only voice modes?  By your argument, should we not be
requiring a certain number of logged hours of CW operation for
license renewal?

Rich

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
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[e-mail] (Hans Brakob) wrote:

:>WW>You folks have been at this argument for months now. Don't you have
:>WW>anything better to do? It's getting pretty boring.
:>
:>Hi Zack,
:>
:>Their favorite mode is "arguing" -- I just wish they'd find
:>a new topic!

I thought every radio produced or homebrewed came with at least two
modes, AM/Arguing, AM/SSB/CW/Arguing, etc., etc.  Isn't Arguing
actually the oldest and most common mode anyway?

And wasn't 14.313 MHz the international arguing frequency at one time
if not still?  I thought even rock-bround rigs had that frequency...
but that is another thread.

Cheers!
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:23 1995
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Jerry B Altzman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Yes, he's happy, just as you're happy that there are Morse Code beepers and
: Voice Box Squawkers with whom YOU can talk. What is the big deal? If Gary
: doesn't want to talk with the morons on 14.313, will you take offense at
: that?

It's interesting that this freq always pops up with regard to Morse.
As you very well know, if you so much as sneeze on HF you'll be heard
hundreds if not thousands of miles away. Now think of all the sneezing
occuring on V/UHF (147.435 MHz in L.A. comes to mind) which only the
locals hear. If 14.313 is the only HF freq in which routine sneezing
is occuring then we should count ourselves as blessed. Too bad the
V/UHF operators can't brag as  such.

: Your argument is so specious and weak that you must resort to silly _ad
: hominem_ attacks on Gary to further your silly point.

Say Jerry, why don't you speak up when Gary insults a large percentage
of hams by saying things such as code causes brain damage, and other
nutty beliefs. You defending Gary places you in the same silliness
catagory that he resides in.

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:24 1995
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[e-mail] (Jim Martin) wrote:

:>And wasn't 14.313 MHz the international arguing frequency at one time
:>if not still?  I thought even rock-bround rigs had that frequency...
                                                          ^^^^^^^^^
Woops....I meant mode.  <:)
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Schreibmaier)
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From article <[e-mail]>, by [e-mail] (Hans Brakob):
> WW>You folks have been at this argument for months now. Don't you have
> WW>anything better to do? It's getting pretty boring.
>
> Their favorite mode is "arguing" -- I just wish they'd find
> a new topic!
>

AND, that they would take it to rec.radio.amateur.policy, where the
code wars debate belongs.

73,
Bob K2PH

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Horrock)
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Subject: Damneck Naval Station - Damneck, VA  been there?
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Greetings,
I am looking for anyone who may have served some of their Naval
service time at Damneck, VA and used the Ham/MARS radio
station there?

I was there in 1977 and 1980-1982.  The last I heard, CMD Peters
retired, and the old Ham/MARS Shack was bulldozed to have a new
BEQ built on it.  There were plans to open up a new shack, but
I have not heard from anyone who can confirm that a new shack
was ever opened.

Regards,
Thomas Nofsinger


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Lakin)
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I am about to buy a marine deep cell battery for emergency power.  Any
suggestions?  Any warnings?  All advice sincerely appreciated.











Organization: Tallahassee Free-Net

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:27 1995
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From: Tu and Bob Myers <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Deep Cell Batteries
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 18:02:04 -0400
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"Marine" and "Deep Cycle" is an oxymoron.  Marine batteries hare starting
batteries built to higher physical standards and capacity.  They're still
built for short period, high current starting loads.

A deep cycle battery has thicker plates, lower maximum discharge rate, and
is designed for long periods of discharge.

Trojan Battery Co. has two batteries that might suit your purpose better.
One is a 250 Ampere hour 12 volt one, and the other is a 350 A/hr 6 volt
battery used in series pairs for 12 volts.

Trojan Battery Company
12380 Clark Street
Santa Fe Springs CA  90670
 Contact:  Fred Daniel
TollFree:  800-433-6569
   Phone:  [phone]
           714-521-8215
     FAX:  [phone]
   TELEX:  744587
Deep cycle lead acid battery manufacturer.
93OCT31

The 250 A/h battery should be the same price as the marine one, only the
money goes into electrical storage inners, not seaworthyness.

Your best bet on renewable (photovoltaic) (battery storage) systems is
Home Power Magazine.

Home Power Magazine
POB 130
Horrnbrook CA  96044-0130
 Contact:  Karen Perez, KA7ETV
           Richard Perez, N7BCR
   Phone:  [phone]
Magazine.  EXCELLENT source of information.  I paid $20.00 for two years
of a first class mail subscription when third class subscriptions were free.
95JUL05

(This full color magazine is prepared in a completely renewable energy
house, using battery storage.  They run 3 Mac's [that I know of], laser
and other printers, a color scanner, and ham gear, in addition to
regular household lighting.  If anyone should know about batteries, they
should.]
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On 8 Aug 1995, Robert Lakin wrote:

>
> I am about to buy a marine deep cell battery for emergency power.  Any
> suggestions?  Any warnings?  All advice sincerely appreciated.
>
> Organization: Tallahassee Free-Net
>
> ROBERT LAKIN   -    KD4MNY
> INTERNET ADDRESS  [e-mail]
> Work [phone]    Home [phone]
>


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Deep Cell Batteries
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In article <[e-mail]> Tu and Bob Myers <[e-mail]> writes:
>"Marine" and "Deep Cycle" is an oxymoron.  Marine batteries hare starting
>batteries built to higher physical standards and capacity.  They're still
>built for short period, high current starting loads.

Not if they are intended to run electric trolling motors. Then they are
indeed both deep cycle and marine, and a good deal at Sam's Club. They
aren't huge traction batteries with enormous capacity like the Tojans
you mention, but they're a lot cheaper and smaller, and suited to many
amateur station needs. I use a 38 A/hr Yuasa gell cell intended for
trolling motor operation that cost under $40 and is slightly smaller
than the average starting battery. That's a fine battery for station
backup.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:30 1995
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From: Tu and Bob Myers <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Deep Cell Batteries
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 22:06:08 -0400
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Gel Cell (a trade name), also know as retained electrolyte batteries made
for deep discharge are good if sized correctly and don't go below 30 or
40 percent depth of discharge.  RE batteries are also more convenient and
generate less hydrogen.

How ever, before deciding, determine your load and time of use.  Then
multiply by three or 4 to keep the depth of discharge at 30/40% maximum
to get the best life out of the battery.  Mel Weis at Yuasa will send you
information on depth of discharge versus number of charge/discharge cycles.

Yuasa Battery Co Inc
POB 3748
Santa Fe Springs CA  90670
 Contact:  Ron Alonzo, Marketing
           Mel Weis, Engineer
TollFree:  800-423-4667
   Phone:  [phone]
     FAX:  [phone]
Manufacturer, lead acid batteries, flooded and sealed
94OCT24

Perhaps, after analysis of your load, time, and conditions of use, the
Yuasa may be just what you need.

In my case, with power failures lasting a couple of days in winter with a
snow covered PV array, a fan to circulate the heat from the wood stove
(for water pipes as well as people), a couple of fluorescent light (@ 30
watts each), an entertainment radio, a 2 meter ham rig working with the
city and 4-wheel drive clubs for rescue, etc., my lap top computer for
amateur packet, ... 38 Ampere hours doesn't last very long.

Bob
of Tu and Bob

On Wed, 9 Aug 1995, Gary Coffman wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]> Tu and Bob Myers <[e-mail]> writes:
> >"Marine" and "Deep Cycle" is an oxymoron.  Marine batteries are starting
> >batteries built to higher physical standards and capacity.  They're still
> >built for short period, high current starting loads.
>
> Not if they are intended to run electric trolling motors. Then they are
> indeed both deep cycle and marine, and a good deal at Sam's Club. They
> aren't huge traction batteries with enormous capacity like the Tojans
> you mention, but they're a lot cheaper and smaller, and suited to many
> amateur station needs. I use a 38 A/hr Yuasa gell cell intended for
> trolling motor operation that cost under $40 and is slightly smaller
> than the average starting battery. That's a fine battery for station
> backup.
>
> Gary
> --
> Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
> Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
> 534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
> Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |
>
>


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From: [e-mail] (Eric Jacksch)
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Subject: Digital Pagers
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I'd like to convert a few numeric pagers to ham frequencies for
experimentation...does anyone know what data format/modulation
these things use?


Thanks,
Eric.
[e-mail]
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:31 1995
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MRT (Mobile Radio Technology) has an extensive series of
articles written by Dave Ludvigson about servicing many
models of pagers and if one of the articles doesn't meet
your needs Dave could probably be contacted and give you
good advice.
(No connection to me of course!)
Mobile Radio Technology Magazine
Customer service: 1-800-441-0294
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:34 1995
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From: Oliver Welp <[e-mail]>
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Subject: DL0ART/am launch #2
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The Nienberge Amateur Radio Group (Germany) performed its second balloon
launch on sunday, 07-16-95 (I apologize for this late report: QRL hr!).

This was our announcement:
> We planned to have another emergency beacon with our regular balloon
> equipment, and it now is ready for a launch. Since we have some (smaller ) spare
> balloons, we plan to do a launch with only this rig: 2 m beacon - no data, no
> remote control, no gas valve; just launching and parachuting (hopefully) "home"
> after bursting.

It should be a 2 - 3 hours flight.

Yes, that's what we intended... but, of course, the actual flight was totally different!


ARTOB launch 07-16-95:

Launch:         # 2
Launch date     07-16-95
Launch time:    1201 UTC
Launch site:    Nienberge near Muenster, NW Germany, JO32SA
Call sign:              DL0ART/am
QRG/mod.:       144.991 MHz F1A beacon: call sign and info in FM audio CW,
                in between freq shift slow (- - - - - -  = balloon lifts) or
                fast (......... = balloon is descending) (using a quicksilver
                switch)
Power:          100 mW
Antenna:                groundplane
Diameter ballon:        ca. 3 ft
Gas:            hydrogen
Parachute:      ca. 5 ft
Weight:         490 g (over all)
Lift rate:              ca. 200 g



(UTC)
11:00           Meeting of the team at launch site
11:20           weather data:
                ground wind 14 knots, 240 deg
12:01           launch
12:10           DF teams start to their dedicated areas

The author had a hard moment when the parachute of the launched balloon did
not open immediately - but after a few moments, it did...

So far, everything was on schedule.

But it turned out that the ballon was drifting E/SE with quite a high speed.
The DF teams had a very hard time following. At 14:30 the balloon left quit
the area of the maps used by the teams (we use a very special system for giving
DF results to the coordinator). Furthermore, the main DF coordintor, Joachim,
DL3YBQ), had to head home and left us alone... I guess that was the moment
when we lost (just a little bit) control of the situation.
And: the beacon signal still indicated the balloon lifting!

The DF teams continued following the balloon, but soon it is obvious that its
speed was to high for us - most of the teams were just driving on highways in
this rural area where we found ourselves. These roads seemed to lead anywere except
to the place were the balloon apparently was... so we finally switched over to
interstates. At about 18:00 most of us were in the Goettingen area (160 km linear
distance), and still the DF results were unanimous: east!

East of Goettingen, the Harz begins - a secondary chain of mountains (summits
up to 3200 ft). Another old man located in these mountains told us that his QTE
also was - east.

So we finally decided at 18:30 UTC - that was 20:30 local time and about the
time of sun set - to finish our hunt and go home.

What has happened?
Obviously, the lift of the balloon was not sufficient to bring it to a height
where it would burst. We ae not sure if the gaz filling was insufficient or if
maybe the parachute had slowed the lift so much that the balloon already lost
too much gaz on its way up. It also passed a thunderstorm area, so maybe the
balloon and the payload were covered with ice during some parts of its journey.

There also was another (so far) unexplained effect: about 2 hours after the launch,
the beacon freq increased by abt 4 or 5 kHz, but decreased after 30 min by abt
6 or 7 kHz, increased again and so on. The transmitter was crystal-controlled,
and was thermically quite well isolated in a styrofoam box - so what could be the
reason?

But there also were some very positive things to tell: Since we used the local
70 cm repeaters for talk back (and quite a few of them during our long journey,
hi), we drew the attention of many OMs to us, or better the balloon. Many of
them help us with triangular DF or just told which roads to use and so (how do
I get right across through Bielefeld - quite a large city - as fast as possible?).
Even some days later, we heard OMs on our local repeater asking what had happened
to the balloon, did we recover the payload and so on. That by itself was probably
the biggest success of this launch - consider that ballooning is not that popular
in Germany as it apparently is in the US.

HAPPY END!
Wednesday morning, Armin (DF1QE) got a phone call! The balloon had been found (by
a non-ham) who already had seen this balloon right next to a road he passed on his
way to work on monday morning. He finally became curious - so we were lucky!
I almost forgot (not relly, hi): he lives in Krina near Bitterfeld (formerly East
Germany), JO62DP. So our balloon travelled a distance of abt 330 km. And the
balloon never bursted - this explains why we had the signal for lifting during the
whole flight. About ten days later, we got the equipment back (by mail).


Conclusions:

We will never start again on a such a windy day - yes, 14 knots is not that much,
but the upper wind normally is twice as much, and that is defintely too fast to
follow in an area that does not provide appropriate roads (e.g. leading to the
balloon, hi).

Besides that, on every upcoming launch we will add a receiver to the equipment for
remote control of a relaese unit for the payload (Guess why?).


Meanwhile, we are happy that we got the payload back (even if its value is limited).
We got reception reports even from Bremen - a distance of about 100 km.


Any suggestion or response is always welcome!
Please tell me if you want to be added to our mailing list!


Best 73,
Oliver

[Oliver Welp, DL9QJ, N3NSF
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:35 1995
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Subject: DXCC Reforms in Year 2000??
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I read of a disturbing rumor on the local (East-coast) Packetcluster over the
weekend. It was a message posted by someone, whose call escapes me, to the
effect that they had heard of a conversation between someone at the League and
a third-party about the future of the DXCC program in the year 2000. As I
understood the message (and I'm recalling from memory), the gist was that the
new program would have a single award - 100 countries; no band/mode/Honor Roll,
etc. I have absolutely no idea whether there is any substance to this rumor,
and I do not wish to propagate it further if it is groundless, however if
anyone else has more definitive information about this topic, I'm sure a LOT of
people will be very interested. (I have sent a message to my local ARRL
Director, but as yet, no reply. Maybe the League would like to comment, and
kill the rumor if it is false.)

73, Darrell (NR3Y).


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Quoting from an August 3 open letter "To All DXCC Participants" from ARRL
President Rod Stafford, KB6ZV:

"The future of DXCC: No formal proposals for a study have been introduced
at this time, no decisions have been, and no decisions will be made
without ample opportunity for input from DXCC participants."

73,
Rich Moseson, NW2L
ARRL SM/NNJ


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From: Steve Ford <[e-mail]>
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The following is the complete statement from ARRL
President Ron Stafford, KB6ZV.




                                                August 3, 1995
To All DXCC Participants:

The ARRL DX Century Club program was the subject of considerable
discussion before and during the July 21-22 meeting of the ARRL Board
of Directors. The purpose of this letter is to describe the actions
taken, and in some cases not taken, and what happens next.

The Membership Services Committee (MSC) is the standing committee of
the Board that is responsible for performing studies and making
recommendations to the Board regarding membership awards, including
the DXCC program. The members of the MSC are Directors Fried Heyn,
WA6WZO (chairman), Lew Gordon, K4VX, Steve Mendelsohn, WA2DHF, Joel
Harrison, WB5IGF, and Mary Lou Brown, NM7N; Vice President Jay
Holladay, W6EJJ; and Vice Director Warren Rothberg, WB1HBB. The MSC
met on Wednesday evening, July 19, with all other ARRL directors and
several other officers, vice directors, and staff also present. Thus,
while the decisions taken at this meeting were not formal decisions
of the ARRL Board, it is fair to say that they reflected the sense of
the Board.

The ARRL DX Advisory Committee is a group of volunteers, appointed on
a division basis by each ARRL Director and with a Canadian
representative appointed by the president of the Radio Amateurs of
Canada, to advise the Board and staff on matters relating to its
specialty. Leading up to the meeting, recent DXAC decisions on close
votes concerning two applications for DXCC country status were the
focus of considerable discussion.

The DXAC had voted, 8 to 7, against the addition of Pratas Island to
the DXCC list. During and after the vote, information that might
conceivably have changed the outcome of this very close vote had been
received by the DXAC members. An internal rule of the DXAC prevents
reconsideration of DXAC decisions until two years have elapsed,
unless waived by the DXAC chairman. In general, this is a useful rule
which saves time that otherwise would be devoted to considering
repetitious applications. However, in this particular case it was the
sense of the Board that in light of the clarifying information that
had been received regarding Pratas Island since the voting process
was begun, it wished the DXAC to revisit the matter now. This has
been relayed to the DXAC Chairman, Garth Hamilton, VE3HO, by ARRL
Membership Services Manager (and chairman of the Awards Committee)
Chuck Hutchinson, K8CH, and the DXAC will now take up the matter.

The DXAC had also voted, 9 to 7, against the addition of Scarborough
Reef (referred to as "Scarborough Shoal" on US Defense Mapping Agency
maps). In reviewing this particular decision on July 19, the MSC and
other Board members present discussed the long-standing policy of the
ARRL Awards Committee (a committee of ARRL headquarters staff
qualified in the areas of DXing and contesting) to not consider
applications for DXCC country status until the DXAC had made a
favorable recommendation. While the basis for this policy was an ARRL
Board instruction dating back to 1976, when the Board had mandated
that the DXAC must be consulted before the country status of any new
area was determined, the MSC concluded that it was more limiting than
the Board had intended and voted to delete the policy from the Awards
Committee documentation. The effect of this change is that new
country applications will be considered first by the DXAC and then by
the Awards Committee, as in the past--but the Awards Committee will
now consider those on which the DXAC has made a negative
determination as well as those on which the determination was
positive. If the two committees agree, that decides the matter. If
they disagree, the issue will go to the Board via an appeals
procedure.

An appeals procedure has been in place for several years that
permitted the chairman of the DXAC or Contest Advisory Committee
(CAC) to appeal to the full Board a decision of the Awards Committee
that ran contrary to an Advisory Committee recommendation. Following
a study that was initiated at Minute 88 of the January 1995 Board
Meeting, the MSC decided to recommend to the Board two revisions in
this procedure: (1) to eliminate the need for the Advisory Committee
chairman to initiate an appeal, making the appeal automatic, and (2)
to refer the appeal to the MSC before it goes to the full Board so
the Board can have the benefit of an MSC recommendation when it
considers the matter. This change was adopted by the Board when it
met on July 20.

Also adopted by the Board was a reduction in the size of the ARRL
Awards Committee from 8 members and 2 alternates and 6 members and no
alternates. This change was made at the request of the chairman of
the Awards Committee and on the recommendation of the MSC, and simply
serves to streamline Awards Committee operations so they will have
less impact on other staff responsibilities.

The Board also instructed the ARRL President to appoint an Ad Hoc
Committee to review and recommend revisions to the various documents
that govern Advisory Committee procedures. The Ad Hoc Committee is
scheduled to deliver its final report to the July 1996 meeting of the
Board.

Some Board members had been considering introducing a motion calling
for a comprehensive study of the DXCC program, including the
possibility of phasing out the existing program and creating a new
one effective with the turn of the century. Such a motion was not
introduced. Should one be introduced in the future, there will be
ample opportunity for comment by interested members before any
decisions are made by the Board. Veteran DXCC participants will
recognize that this is not the first time such a possibility has been
discussed.

During the week following the Board Meeting, the Awards Committee met
and reviewed the Scarborough application. It was the unanimous
opinion of the Awards Committee that Scarborough Shoal should be
added to the DXCC countries list. As called for in the Awards
Committee Standard Operating Procedure, the chairmen of the DXAC and
the Awards Committee conferred in an attempt to effect a compromise
but were unable to do so. Therefore, the question now goes to the MSC
for recommendation to the full Board. The MSC will next meet on
August 19.

To recap:

Procedures for considering new country proposals: The procedures have
been amended so that both the DXAC and the Awards Committee will
consider such proposals. If the committees cannot reach agreement,
the matter will go to the full Board via the Membership Services
Committee. Advisory Committee procedures also will be the subject of
study by a new Ad Hoc Committee.

Pratas Island: The DXAC has been asked to reconsider its earlier
negative decision. Once it has done so, the Awards Committee will
also take up the matter. If the committees agree, that decides the
issue; if not, it will go to the Board via the Membership Services
Committee.

Scarborough Shoal: The conflicting decisions of the DXAC and the
Awards Committee are being appealed to the ARRL Board via the MSC.

The future of DXCC: No formal proposals for a study have been
introduced at this time, no decisions have been, and no decisions
will be made without ample opportunity for input from DXCC
participants.

I hope this clarifies where things stand. Thank you for your
continuing interest in the ARRL DXCC program.

73,

Rodney J. Stafford,KB6ZV
President




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:40 1995
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From: "James A. Storm" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: E-mail into Packet Radio?
Date: 8 Aug 1995 08:20:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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Message-ID: <4076og$[e-mail]>
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There are ways to connect between packet and Internet but in can be very
complicated and convoluted. Since your father-in-law already has a
computer, since he works packet, the easiest way is to get him on one of
the commercial services, AOL, Compuserve, or an Internet service
provider. I've been a ham for over 30 years but I have to admit that
Internet is even more fascinating.

                          73, Jim WB6LWS in Pacifica, CA

              [e-mail] (hortense) wrote:
>Hello,
>
>    My father-in-law is a radio-amateur in Washington state, and uses
>packet radio up there.  He has a mailbox at on a local pbbs there.  I
>have internet access and am wondering if there is a connection.  Can I
>mail a message to "74QA??@someppbs.wash" or something to send him mail?
>Is there any cross-talk between the two systems.
>
>Thanks in advance for your help
>
>[e-mail]
>




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Anthony D'Ercole)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: E-mail into Packet Radio?
Date: 9 Aug 1995 13:11:24 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Company
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References: <3vr4ft$[e-mail]>
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  The W2XO gateway in Pittsburgh, PA.  It is bi-directional; however, an
internet addressee must be "registered" with Jim.  In other words the
ax.25 sender cannot simply send to anyone on internet; only those users
who have made prior arrangments.  Mail coming in for ax.25 users must,
of course, be screened for content before making the hop over to amateur
packet radio.  Jim can be reached at: [e-mail] (Jim Durham).





From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:41 1995
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From: Force Majeur <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: For Sale: Kenwood TH-78A
Date: 10 Aug 1995 04:08:41 GMT
Organization: High Voltage Hobbyist Publications, Inc.
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[e-mail] (John E Mason) wrote:
>I'm moving and as a result I'm in real need of money.
>I brought the TH-78A a year ago, and I've rarely used it since.
>It includes one battery and a wall/recharger hookup.
>The listed price at Ham Radio Outlet is $599.95, I asking $350 obo.
>If interested, mail me at [e-mail]
>
>later,
>--
>John E. Mason II,
>email <[e-mail]>
>www: http://www.auburn.edu/~masonje
>Address: 101 Ann St. B-44  Auburn, AL 36830
>Phone: [phone]
>

Even AES, who offers a ten-day "no questions asked" money-back policy and
30-day warranty, asks less than $300 for a used TH-78A with the same
accessories.  Your asking price is a bit steep.



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From: [e-mail] (Ernest Eckel)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap
Subject: FS: Multimedia 486 DX4-100 COMPUTER SYS.
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 00:04:26 +1000
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
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    (2) 5" Bays (2) 3" Bays (2) 3" Hidden Bays (not 5 bays)
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(4) Meg RAM
    1 X 36 72 Pin
486 Mother Board With ZIFF Scoket
    (3) VLB Slots
    (4) ISA Slots
    (2) 72 Pin Simm Slots
    (4) 30 Pin Simm Slots
    256k cache On Board (not 0k or 128k)
AMD 486 DX4-100  (not cyrix)
VLB Enhanced IDE I/O Controller (not 16 bit)
    (4) IDE OR IDE CD-ROMS
    2S,1P,1G Ports
MULTIMEDIA
    2 x  CD-ROM
    16 bit Sound Card
    Speakers (amp)
VLB 1 Meg SVGA Video Card Upgradable to 2 Meg (not 256K vga)
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    14.4k Fax/Modem/Voice Mail
    14.4k bps Group III Fax
    Broadcast Fax,Fax On Demand
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     101e Keyboard
     1.44 FDD
     CPU Fan (A Must Have)
     850 Meg EIDE HD (not 525 meg) (WD)
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         Voice Mail,fax,Remote,999 Mail Box's

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BYTE/WIDE Software, Inc.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ftp sites for amature radio callsigns
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 00:11:36 UNDEFINED
Organization: PSS InterNet Services, InterNet in Fl 904 253 7100
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Summary: looking for ftp sites for callsigns
Keywords: ftp amature radio callsign
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Does anyone have info on ftp sites for us amature radio callsign database?
I want to download the whole thing.


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Charles J. Mishmash)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Geoclock
Date: 9 Aug 1995 19:54:03 GMT
Organization: Evergreen Communications, Phoenix, Arizona
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Distribution: usa
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In article <3kdpam$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>Can someone direct me to a/the source for the computer program
>Geoclock which shows a series of maps with the current time displayed
>in various cities, both USA and in other parts of the world?
>
>Is it commercial software, shareware or what?  Where does one obtain it?
>
>
>
>Thanks in advance.

The program that you seek is a shareware product that can be found as
file GEOCLK51.ZIP (303k) at the following FTP SITE:

 OAK.OAKLAND.EDU/PUB/HAMRADIO/ARRL/BBS/PROGRAMS

It is a nice program

Charlie AA7NQ

>Marv Hoffman, KD4EGV/AA
>Boone, NC
>
>Internet:  [e-mail]
>
>Marvin K. Hoffman                           Phone: [phone]
>Appalachian State University                Fax:   [phone]
>Political Science/Criminal Justice
>Boone, NC  28608
>              Internet:  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frederic Tronel)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: German Call Book
Date: 10 Aug 1995 09:40:32 GMT
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NNTP-Posting-Host: cordeliers.ens-lyon.fr

Hello,

I need adresses of several german OM's.
So where can I find a electronic german call book on the net ?
I have http adresses for US,Canada,Italy,Finland,UK ..
But not concerning germany.
Help ....

Please e-mail : [e-mail]

Fred
F1SDZ.






From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael G. Beck)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Going to Germany.
Date: 8 Aug 1995 02:26:27 -0700
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Hi, I'm sure this is an easy one...

I'm going to Germany for a month in October, and I am planning to take
over a QRP rig and do a little operating. I was wondering I am a General
Class operator and would like to get a German licence for operation, (and
as a souvenir) How would I go about obtaining one? Can I do it in the
Airport? Does Germany Reciprocate with Americans. What would my
priviliges be?

thanks for any and all info...

______________________  ___<__________________
 [_________________] o||_________ICE_________[\\
-o--------------o--o--'`---o--o-----------o--o--'

Ahhh The ICE. The only way to Fly!

Michael Beck/KE6JNO
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:46 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Hallicraft s-38b NEED INFO
Date: 7 Aug 1995 21:01:53 -0400
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hello, i just recived a Hallicraft <or something like that> S-38B
and when powered up, all i hear is this noise/static, and nothing else.
i would like to #1. know how to fix an antique radio
#2.  where i would find a stamatic for this radio...


thanks

DAvid
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (WARREN WHITBY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham HTs and Airport Security
Date: 10 Aug 95 13:43:15 GMT
Organization: ucsd usenet gateway
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I usually carry two HTs, scanner, spare antennas, and spare batteries in
my camera bag with my camera equipment.  The bag has been x-rayed
several times with out any problem to the electronics.  I did have a
security man who asked to look inside of it once.  I smiled (knowing it
was crammed full) and said sure.  He took one look inside and was
satisfied.

When I go to the airport to pick someone up, I usually carry my scanner.
Before I go through the metal detector, I make sure its on and hand it to a
security guard.  As long as they can see it working or open the squelch
they are satisfied.

For David Gingrich - I''ve started leaving my pager in the car.  It got to be
too muchtrouble going through security and I lost the numbers when I
had to show them it works.

Warren Whitby
73s de KE4ITL



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham Radio & More Show...new shortwave time.
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 04:45:51 GMT
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The Ham Radio & More Show has added another tape delayed broadcast time on
WWCR. The show can now be heard Mondays, on 7.435, at 0400utc & 0900utc. It
can also be heard on Saturdays, starting 8/12/95, on 12.160 at 1600utc.
Thanks to WWCR.
73,
Len, KB7LPW

Len Winkler, KB7LPW                           [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                   [e-mail]
Phoenix, Az. 85068-9219
Ham Radio & More Show info at:
http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc/ham-more.html
Show also airs on WWCR shortwave, 7.435mhz, tape delayed,
 Monday at midnight ET (0400utc), and again at 5:00am ET (0900utc), and
Saturdays at noon ET (1600utc) on 12.160.






From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (MushmouthD)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham Radio?
Date: 9 Aug 1995 23:24:17 -0400
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
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Sender: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <40bu51$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (MushmouthD)
NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com

 Hello... I guess all these amateur radio groups I've been lookin in meant
Ham.
 Anyway, point is I would like to get my hands on, or build, modify,
etc... a transmitter that'll pump out in the commercial FM band...
moderate range, 10 miles er so.
 If anyone knows where I can get a schematic(sp?) to build one, or specs
for
making another transmitter work, could ya e-mail me?
 I've been trying for years to build one from a schematic I had, but some
of the components were difficult to find.
 I believe it's illegal to own one, but I'm only after the KNOWLEDGE.  I
don't think thats illegal.
 Thats what I thought FELONS - EX and OTHERWISE meant! Hehehe...

  Email me at [e-mail]
  I'd REALLY appreciate the help.....


  Mushmouth in Canada....


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (KE4IOF)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ham Radio?
Date: 10 Aug 1995 00:01:40 -0400
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
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In article <40bu51$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(MushmouthD) writes:

>
> Hello... I guess all these amateur radio groups I've been lookin in
meant
>Ham.
> Anyway, point is I would like to get my hands on, or build, modify,
>etc... a transmitter that'll pump out in the commercial FM band...
>moderate range, 10 miles er so.
> If anyone knows where I can get a schematic(sp?) to build one, or specs
>for
>making another transmitter work, could ya e-mail me?
> I've been trying for years to build one from a schematic I had, but some
>of the components were difficult to find.
> I believe it's illegal to own one, but I'm only after the KNOWLEDGE.  I
>don't think thats illegal.
> Thats what I thought FELONS - EX and OTHERWISE meant! Hehehe...
>
>  Email me at [e-mail]
>  I'd REALLY appreciate the help.....
>
>
>  Mushmouth in Canada....
>
>

If you're only after the knowledge, then why are you trying to build one?
Building a transmitter isn't very difficult, and the knowledge is readily
available if you know where to look. Besides, I think you want
alt.pirate.radio, not rec.radio.amateur.misc. Most of the people on this
list go through the trouble of LEARNING what radio is all about,  becoming
LICENSED and then operating LEGALLY.

Mark


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Pardue)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham shops in Pensacola, FL?
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 95 19:15:02 GMT
Organization: Communique Inc., New Orleans
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Are there any Ham shops in or near Pensacola, Florida?  I am particularly
interested in stocking distributors or dealers for Yaesu, ICOM and Kenwood.

Thanks in advance for any information.

JoeP




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Cira)
Subject: HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE BBS
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 23:43:56 GMT
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HELLO FELLOW HAMS:and FUTURE HAMS !!!!!!!

        re: HAM BBS dedicated to amateur radio !!!!

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:52 1995
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From: Ed@Ed
Subject: Re: Help with 2Mtr. SSB
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In <402j6o$[e-mail]>, Bill Richards <[e-mail]> writes:
>I just acquired a Kenwood TS 700s two meter all mode and would like
>to start exploring SB operations.  Could anyone offer any recommendations
>as to antenna's, amplifiers and best methods to track DX. Any help

Bill. You need a beam mounted horizontal (sorry about selling) 8 elements or
more. About 40 watts ok but the morer the betterer :-)  Monitor 144.200 the
ssb call channel. Look around the net or on the web for 2m beacons.

73  Ed



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From: [e-mail] (David Feldman)
Subject: Re: Help with 2Mtr. SSB
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In article <[e-mail]> Ed@Ed writes:
>In <402j6o$[e-mail]>, Bill Richards <[e-mail]> writes:
>Bill. You need a beam mounted horizontal (sorry about selling) 8 elements or
>more. About 40 watts ok but the morer the betterer :-) Monitor 144.200 the
>ssb call channel. Look around the net or on the web for 2m beacons.

I have only one comment on this --- don't just monitor, but rather get out
and CALL CQ as much as you can. This reduces the tendency for deadly embrace
where the band appears dead because of no activity.

73 Dave WB0GAZ [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
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Subject: Re: Help with 2Mtr. SSB
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David Feldman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]> Ed@Ed writes:
: >In <402j6o$[e-mail]>, Bill Richards <[e-mail]> writes:
: >Bill. You need a beam mounted horizontal (sorry about selling) 8 elements or
: >more. About 40 watts ok but the morer the betterer :-)       Monitor 144.200 the
: >ssb call channel. Look around the net or on the web for 2m beacons.

: I have only one comment on this --- don't just monitor, but rather get out
: and CALL CQ as much as you can. This reduces the tendency for deadly embrace
: where the band appears dead because of no activity.

: 73 Dave WB0GAZ [e-mail]
   In general I concur with Ed and Dave, but I don't think that just
because your beam has less than 8 elements and the TS700S is only about
10 watts should keep you off the air.  Horizontal is certainly a necessity.
Remember that if you get your effective radiated power and receiving
gain with a big beam, the radiated beam will be narrow, and you
will have to listen and call in many directions to get in touch
when the band is poor (no tropospheric ducting, etc)  When it is
good it will surprise you!
Gerry K8EF




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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Gerard Foley) says:

>   In general I concur with Ed and Dave, but I don't think that just
>because your beam has less than 8 elements and the TS700S is only about
>10 watts should keep you off the air.  Horizontal is certainly a necessity.
>Remember that if you get your effective radiated power and receiving
>gain with a big beam, the radiated beam will be narrow, and you
>will have to listen and call in many directions to get in touch
>when the band is poor (no tropospheric ducting, etc)  When it is
>good it will surprise you!
>Gerry K8EF
>
>
>

One of my first 2m SSB QSOs was with South Dakota (EN14 > EN50) with 5
watts and an indoor 5-el Yagi.

I've recently made a few QSOs with the East Coast on 6 meters with 250 mW
and an indoor dipole.

When these bands are open, they are OPEN!

GO FOR IT!

                                        73, Zack W9SZ (in EN50)


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Help with 2Mtr. SSB
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In article <40c4k1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Zack Widup) writes:
>
>One of my first 2m SSB QSOs was with South Dakota (EN14 > EN50) with 5
>watts and an indoor 5-el Yagi.
>
>I've recently made a few QSOs with the East Coast on 6 meters with 250 mW
>and an indoor dipole.
>
>When these bands are open, they are OPEN!

Even when the bands are not open they can surprise you. During Field
Day, when VHF/UHF propagation really stank from our site, I was still
able to make contacts at respectable distances with my IC-202 and
IC-402 2m and 70cm portables, at 2 watts PEP off C cell batteries,
and using only the inboard vertical whips (held sideways).

The main thing needed is *activity*. When there are lots of stations
on, you'll make lots of contacts, even with very modest equipment.
Of course beams and power are like chicken soup, they can't hurt,
but don't give up just because you don't have them.

Gary

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:57 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Help! Newbie with a DJ-F1T
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Greetings!

        I just aquired an Alinco DJ-F1T HT and would like to get into the Ham
Hobby. I have a couple of questions:

1) Does anyone know of when the next exams for a licence in the Phoenix area
are? I contacted one club and they knew of a place where exams are given the
first weekend of each month, but I just missed August and there is no exam over
labor day. This would mean the earliest I could get a licence would be
Halloween!

2) Is there a such a thing as a on-line repeater directory? It could be in PC,
Mac, or Unix format as I have access to all three. The ARRL directory is nice,
but I would like it in a format I can manipulate for planning trips.

3) Any opinions or hints about this radio would be apreciated. I got it at such
a screaming price that I could not pass it up (an impulse buy, which I usually
NEVER do).

Any help would be great. Thanks.

Dave Andrews
Motorola GSTG
Scottsdale, Arizona
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim  W9WU)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HELP:Locate amateurs with surname BINNING
Date: 9 Aug 1995 11:57:30 -0400
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Arthur:  Well I copied the www address wrong. The following will work and
identifies all those Binnings

http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html

You can search using call, name, city, zip code.

Good luck and 73
Jim W9WU


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:39:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim  W9WU)
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Subject: Re: HELP:Locate amateurs with surname BINNING
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Try the following WWW page:

http://www.ualr.edu/htbin/callsign.exe

This uses the latest FCC database and you can search by name or call.


73, Jim W9WU


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From: [e-mail] (Arthur J Binning)
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Subject: HELP:Locate amateurs with surname BINNING.
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Can anybody help me locate the following amateurs with the surname
BINNING.  David, WB6JMM - Raymond, KD6SWT - Sheila, WD6BZA - Steven,
WA9NRB.
Any help to enable me to contact them will be much appreciated,
Arthur, GM3XIJ.
If you have the time point your browser at http://www.ftech.net/~scotland/



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:00 1995
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From: kyle cassidy <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: How to improve my CW speed to 13wpm ?
Date: 9 Aug 1995 16:14:15 GMT
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[e-mail] (WarrenRing) wrote:
>In article <3vmksh$[e-mail]>, BUDDY10 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I just passed my 5wpm CW test. I want to take advantage of the "momentum"
>>i've built up

[some good advice deleted]

after i passed my no-code tech test i was going crazy from the wait (for
the license to arrive in the mail -- this was before electronic filing)
and my wife suggested that i see how far i could advance before my
licence actually did arrive. i made it to general in 6 weeks, my license
(no code tech) arrived one day later. i'd say it took me about 3 weeks to
get to 13 wpm (although only 5 days to get to 5 wpm) studying an hour or
so a day. but one thing i did (and one thing the other poster mentioned)
was translate everything i saw into code, stop signs, street signs, pizza
menu's. i didn't use supermorse, i hated the calibration, i forget what i
used but they're all fairly similar, as long as it lets you do random
letters, numbers, and text files. random is better practice, but it's
aggrivating (because it's harder) so i tended to listen to text files.
but the other poster was right about you never being more motivated to go
to 20.

kc
kb2rvy



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Schreibmaier)
Subject: Re: How to UnZip *.zip
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From article <[e-mail]>, by [e-mail] (Dave Halverson):
>>I have reciently downloaded some files for studying for the General
>>Ham test.  These files were in *.zip format. The only executable
>>I have to UnZip these is PKUNZIP. This program will not work. It says
>>that it doesn't know how to handle the files, or something like that.
>>Does anyone have or know where I can get a program which works to
>>unzip these?
> This usually means that the files were zip'd with a later version of
> PKZIP than the version of PKUNZIP you are attempting to use. Get a
> more current version of these utilities.

You could get the unzip and zip programs from the Info-ZIP group.
They are somewhat slower than pkzip and pkunzip, but they are free,
while pkzip and pkunzip are not.

Unzip and zip are available for anonymous FTP from oak.oakland.edu
in the /SimTel/msdos/zip directory (I think).

73,
Bob K2PH

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:02 1995
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From: Grant H Youngman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HQ-129
Date: 9 Aug 1995 02:04:00 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
>Some years ago, a neighbor lent me a Hammarlund HQ-129 SW receiver and asked
>me to repair it.  It must have been a pretty nice rx in its day.
>
>Does anybody know when it was in production?
>
>    Mike  N3MA

The HQ-129X receiver was introduced by Hammarlund in 1946.

Selling price - $177.30 plus speaker.  Don't know how long it stayed in
production, but the next ham receiver in the "HQ" series was the
HQ-140X introduced in 1953.

Grant/NQ5T



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:03 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: IC-P2AT & IC-21E Mods
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 95 11:49:56 GMT
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I'm looking for mods on the IC-P2AT & the IC-21E .  Many any that will unload
the TX side.
                        Regards
                                Rhett Donnan (VK3HAP)
                                Victoria Australia




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ignore 1st "TAPR President on Show" post - hr&m.txt [01/01]
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 95 23:41:17 GMT
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Sorry, the 1st post was encoded.. Sorry...

Greg Jones, WD5IVD, will be the guest on this week's Ham Radio & More Show,
8/13/95, at 6:00pm ET. If you have questions about the upcoming TAPR
Convention, packet, other digital modes, or certain aspects of phase 3d, call
in on the toll free listener call-in line during the show. You could win some
super prizes, too.
73,
Le, KB7LPW
NEW AS OF 8-5-95
Ham Radio & More Station List:
The following list can change often....

Arkansas:   KNWA, 1600am, Bellefonte
            KELD, 1400am, Eldorado
Arizona:    KFNN, 1510am, Phoenix
            KVRD, 1600am, Prescott
            KVNA,  600am, Flagstaff
California: KNSN, 1290am, Chico
Connecticut:WATR, 1320am, Hartford
Florida:    WFFG, 1300am, Miami/Florida Keys
            WIPC, 1280am, Tampa/St. Pete
Georgia:    WGIG, 1440am, Brunswick
Illinois:   WKTA, 1330am, Chicago
            WBGZ, 1570am, Alton
            WTIM, 1410am, Taylorville
            WKEI, 1450am, Kewanee
Indiana:    WPDJ, 1300am, Huntington/Ft. Wayne
IOWA:       WKEI, 1450am, Davenport
Kansas:     KKLE, 1550am, Wichita/Winfield
Kentucky:   WMTA, 1380am, Central City
            WTTL, 1310am, Madisonville
Louisiana:  KGGM, 93.5fm, Monroe
            KEEL,  710am, Shreveport (50,000 watts)
Massach:    BOSTON CABLE CHANNEL 38B, BOSTON
            WNBH, 1340am, New Bedord/Providence
Michigan:   WMKT, 1270am, Traverse City/Cadillac
            WABJ, 1490am, Adrian
Missouri:   WBGZ, 1570am, St. Louis
            KNWA, 1600am, Springfield
            KSWM,  940am, Aurora
Mississippi:WSUH, 1420am, Oxford
Montana:    KDRG, 1400am, Butte/Deer Lodge
N. Carolina:WEEB, 990am,  Fayetteville
            WCRY, 1460am, Raleigh/Durham
            WSKY, 1230am, Greenville/Spartanburg
            WHKY, 1290am, Hickory
Nebraska:   KICS, 1550am, Hastings/Lincoln
New Mexico: KICA,  980am, Clovis
Ohio:       WIOI, 1010am, Charleston/New Boston
Oklahoma:   KTMC, 1400am, Tulsa/Mcalester
            KADS, 1240am, Oklahoma City
Oregon:     KBNP, 1410am, Portland
Penn:       WJMW,  550am, Scranton/Wilkes Barre
S. Carolina:WPCC, 1410am, Clinton
            WJMX,  970am, Myrtle Beach/Florence
            WDAR, 1350am, Darlington
Texas:      KIVY, 1290am, Crockett/Paddington
Utah:       K26EM,Channel 26, TV, Emery County-Castledale
Vermont:    WSYB, 1380am, Rutland
Wisconsin:  WHBY, 1150am, GreenBay/Appelton
W. Virginia:WWNR,  620am, Bluefield/Beckley
            WNMR,103.9fm, Wheeling/New Martins
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[e-mail] (Benton StJ Bonney) writes:
>
>_Properly_ is the key.  I wouldn't want to pump a gazillion amps into the
>rebar net and, possibly, up into the steel structure of a building.  I
>have put up metal buildings with the structure and rebar electrically tied
>together, but it all terminated into a healthy counterpose.

I once helped our general contractor/neighbor build a house (1970). Prior
to the cement foundation being poured we tied all the rebar together
using galvanized bailing wire. I hope you're not refering to that as
being ``electrically tied together''. The rebar has a layer of oxidation
on it that certainly will *not* offer a low resistance path.

Jeff NH6IL


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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 07/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 07 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 08 AUGUST - 10 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 74/11

GOES satellite data for 06 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   5.7E+04
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 2.4E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A3.1
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             08 Aug             09 Aug             10 Aug
Activity     very low           very low           very low
Fadeouts     none expected      none expected      none expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 08 Aug: 74/11

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 06 Aug
    Learmonth        6  2122 3121
    Fredericksburg   7                           5
    Planetary        6                           4

Observed Kp for 06 Aug: 1121 1122
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
08 Aug     5    Quiet
09 Aug    12    Quiet to unsettled
10 Aug     5    Quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
07 Aug      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
08 Aug      normal         normal         normal
09 Aug      normal         normal         fair
10 Aug      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
07 Aug    30    enhanced by 15-30% 15-20UT, with night-time Spread F.
                Near predicted values during daylight hours.

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
08 Aug    30    near predicted monthly values during local day,
                10-20% enhanced at night.
09 Aug    30    near predicted monthly values during local day,
                10-20% enhanced at night.
10 Aug    30    near predicted monthly values during local day,
                10-20% enhanced at night.
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: 10-30% depressed.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with night-time Spread F.

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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 08/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 08 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 09 AUGUST - 11 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  74/11

GOES satellite data for 07 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   9.7E+04
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 2.4E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A2.4
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             09 Aug             10 Aug             11 Aug
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 09 Aug:  74/11

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 07 Aug
    Learmonth       10  3332 2132
    Fredericksburg  15                           9
    Planetary       12                           7

Observed Kp for 07 Aug: 0112 3233
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
09 Aug    12    Quiet to unsettled
10 Aug     5    Quiet
11 Aug     5    Quiet
COMMENT: Unsettled levels observed on 8 August were due to a solar
coronal hole.
-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
08 Aug      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
09 Aug      normal         normal         fair
10 Aug      normal         normal         normal
11 Aug      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
08 Aug    33    Near predicted monthly values during daylight hours,
                with 15-50% enhancements and Spread F during local
                night.

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
09 Aug    30    Near predicted monthly values during local day,
                10-30% enhanced at night.
10 Aug    30    Near predicted monthly values during local day,
                10-30% enhanced at night.
11 Aug    30    Near predicted monthly values during local day,
                10-30% enhanced at night.
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with night-time
Spread F.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with strong night-time
Sporadic E layer.

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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 09/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 09 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 10 AUGUST - 12 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  73/9

GOES satellite data for 08 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   2.0E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 2.9E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A2.4
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             10 Aug             11 Aug             12 Aug
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 10 Aug:  70/5

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to unsettled, with brief active
period 15-18UT.

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 08 Aug
    Learmonth       14  3332 3423
    Fredericksburg  20                          16
    Planetary       18                          13

Observed Kp for 08 Aug: 4432 2233
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
10 Aug    12    Mostly unsettled, with isolated active conditions.
11 Aug    10    Quiet to unsettled
12 Aug    12    Quiet to unsettled

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
09 Aug      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
10 Aug      normal         normal         fair
11 Aug      normal         normal         normal
12 Aug      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
09 Aug    32    Near predicted monthly values during daylight hours,
with 15-30% enhancements during local night.

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
10 Aug    30    Near predicted monthly values during local day,
10-20% enhanced at night.
11 Aug    30    Near predicted monthly values during local day,
10-20% enhanced at night.
12 Aug    30    Near predicted monthly values during local day,
10-20% enhanced at night.

COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with some spread F at
night.

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Marc DePaul)
Subject: Kenwood Service Stinks
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Kenwood service absolutely stinks.  I dare you to call them up and
get a timely HUMAN voice and a RETURN OF A PHONE CALL WITHIN THREE
DAYS for a technical question.


Now, my question to all of you:  Is Ten Tec or Icom (US stuff) any
better???  I also have found Yaesu to stink..


I'm their profit, and they're the overhead...I really don't think
they understand how pissed off I am!



Marc


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From: [e-mail] (John Soo-Hoo)
Subject: Re: Kenwood Service Stinks
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Marc DePaul) writes:
>
>
>Kenwood service absolutely stinks.  I dare you to call them up and
>get a timely HUMAN voice and a RETURN OF A PHONE CALL WITHIN THREE
>DAYS for a technical question.

I've had no problems with Kenwood (Long Beach, CA).  They usually call
me back within the next day.

>Now, my question to all of you:  Is Ten Tec or Icom (US stuff) any
>better???  I also have found Yaesu to stink..

I've heard that Ten-Tec HF stuff is generally good.  Yaesu?  They have
a commercial line too, I think it is called Vertix.

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Attention Star Fleet Surplus Shoppers!!  There will be a special on
anti-matter, photon torpedoes casings, and trilithium resin on
aisle 4 level 10.  The Star Fleet purchasing permits will be waived for
this week only.  And please do NOT  service your spaceships or assemble
items purchased in the parking lot!

Will the owner of the Nova-class starship, ship registry NCC-1701E please
turn off your phasers?



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Subject: Re: Kenwood Service Stinks
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[e-mail] (Marc DePaul) wrote:

:>Kenwood service absolutely stinks.  I dare you to call them up and
:>get a timely HUMAN voice and a RETURN OF A PHONE CALL WITHIN THREE
:>DAYS for a technical question.

What do you consider timely?  Have you ever tried to fax them?  Have
you ever considered the fact that there are many happy and loyal
customers to each manufacturer?  These are usually the patient folks
who don't need replies in an instant and they don't fly off the handle
when they don't receive an immediate reply.

:>Now, my question to all of you:  Is Ten Tec or Icom (US stuff) any
:>better???  I also have found Yaesu to stink..

sniff, sniff...
Hmmmm.  My Yaesu stuff doesn't smell.  Must've been from a good batch.

:>I'm their profit, and they're the overhead...I really don't think
:>they understand how pissed off I am!

Have you ever noticed that the more pissed off you are the more you
badmouth whomever you are pissed at and that it doesn't make the
situation any better?  Did you ever try to call the dealer you bought
the radio from first?

That overhead may have been too busy to answer the phone.  Sometimes
it can get rather busy in-house and the phones may be placed on the
back burner...

Well...it's just a thought.

Hey, when amateur radio quits being fun, find another hobby.

Cheers!

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Lowell, Massachusetts           |
USAF(Ret) 1973-1993             |
Ex-KB1LW-N1CLS-KA5MWD-HL9ZF     |
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner)
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Subject: Re: Kenwood Service Stinks
Date: 9 Aug 1995 09:14:43 -0700
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>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Marc DePaul) writes:
>>
>>
>>Kenwood service absolutely stinks.  I dare you to call them up and
>>get a timely HUMAN voice and a RETURN OF A PHONE CALL WITHIN THREE
>>DAYS for a technical question.

I agree with John, I have had very good service from Kenwood.  However,
I have other friends who have been treated absolutely horribly, with
no excuses.  I tend not to trust them unless I walk in and carefully
explain my problems to the service tech there, as many mistakes
appear to be made at times.  I like to submit a very carefully written
statement of the problem, suggested solutions, and limitations on what
I want from them.  It has worked fine for me.

>>Now, my question to all of you:  Is Ten Tec or Icom (US stuff) any
>>better???  I also have found Yaesu to stink..

I do not know anything about Yaesu.  Ten Tec is wonderful for tech
support and for service.  Absolutely no complaints in my many dealings
with them, and no close friends of mine have complained.  Occasionally
Ten Tec has gone out of its way to help me out.

Clark
WA3JPG


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DE>Kenwood service absolutely stinks.  I dare you to call them up and
DE>get a timely HUMAN voice and a RETURN OF A PHONE CALL WITHIN THREE
DE>DAYS for a technical question.

i must agree with you on kenwood service.  shitty.

DE>Now, my question to all of you:  Is Ten Tec or Icom (US stuff) any
DE>better???  I also have found Yaesu to stink..

i don't know about icom (my H16 and marine handhelds have never had any
problems to speak of).  as far as yaesu goes, i have had nothing but
excellent tech support from them.  i had one tech on the phone with me
for just under an hour until he had helped me solve a problem.  he
didn't get frustrated with me, and occasionally cracked a joke or two to
ease the tension.  he may be a rarity, but i have always received
curteous service from all the yaesu crew.  they're also more than
willing to ship you small replacement items (one at time  :)  ) for
free, such as new rubber keypads / covers, belt clips, flexible
antennas, you name it.


DE>I'm their profit, and they're the overhead...I really don't think
DE>they understand how pissed off I am!

sorry to hear you had such a bad experience with these companies.  i
have heard complaints about kenwood service, and reviews i get about
icom's service rate it as at least "fair".

DE>Marc


greg
kd6ven
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Kenwood Service Stinks
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In article <40amtj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner) writes:
>
>I do not know anything about Yaesu.  Ten Tec is wonderful for tech
>support and for service.  Absolutely no complaints in my many dealings
>with them, and no close friends of mine have complained.  Occasionally
>Ten Tec has gone out of its way to help me out.

Not to put too fine a point on this (I like Ten-Tec), but the reason
you hear so much praise for Ten-Tec service is that you're likely to
*need* Ten-Tec service. Everyone I know who's had one has had a chance
to find out about Ten-Tec service first hand. OTOH, most Icoms and
Yaesus are like the Energizer Bunny, they just keep working, and
working, and working. Just a point to ponder.

Gary
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From: [e-mail] (Brad Mitchel)
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Subject: Re: Kenwood Service Stinks
Date: 10 Aug 1995 14:50:49 GMT
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In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>In article <40amtj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner) writes:

>Not to put too fine a point on this (I like Ten-Tec), but the reason
>you hear so much praise for Ten-Tec service is that you're likely to
>*need* Ten-Tec service.

Just curious Gary, what data do you have to support this? Being a test kinda
guy, you know that one experience is not enough, so what say?


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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gert Carlsson)
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Subject: Re: Looking for a good HAM FTP Site
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I think you should take a look at nic.funet.fi in the directory pub/ham and
subdirectories, the best one of them all in my opinion. There is plenty of
amateur radio related programs for different platforms, UNIX, Macintosh, PC
etc. Everything is updated as soon as there are new versions available, which
is not always the case on the other sites.

Gert E B Carlsson
Computer Science and Engineering
Linkoping University and Institute of Technology
Sweden
E-mail: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Keys)
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Subject: Looking for historical radio messages
Date: 9 Aug 1995 15:01:50 GMT
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I am looking for the text of some historical radio messages that
were sent in the WWII era.

A good frine of mine, and a fine Amateur Radio operator, who
was the operator in Burma, running his beloved BC-191 out in the
jungles at the edge of a remote P-51 fighter base (I even have a pic
of him in the tent manning the beast) received the plain text message
of the demise of President Roosevelt.  Does anyone by a long stretch
of the imagination have a copy of that anywhere?  This opr copied it
fresh for the CO and then trashed the original as-received copy.  It
would be neat to pass this along to him after 50 years.

Also, does anyone have a copy of the final capitulation of Japan
message sent at the close of the war?

Also, does anyone have copy of the declaration of war message sent
over the same circuits in 1941?  Strangely, I can't seem to find
a copy of these in any of the history books of the military govdocs.
They would have been sent to everyone of any importance, and should
have been preserved, somewhere.

I would like to find the text, as close to the original as-sent messages
as possible, to preserve a little history as it was actually sent via
Morse code (computer generated background music for displays at a local
museum and at amateur radio functions).

Thanks
Robert D. Keys
[e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:24 1995
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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 16:02:47 EST
From: H Campbell <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Looking for license information for W9EPT
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Don Smith, W9EPT, died yesterday and I have been asked to try and
locate information about his ham license.  I have been able to
find current information on several web pages, but have been unable
to find the date his license was first issued. Any one out there who
can help?  Thanks.


-- H Campbell

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H Gregory Campbell               |   [e-mail]
Systems Programmer               |   hcampbel@irishvma
Univ. of Notre Dame              |
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:25 1995
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From: kyle cassidy <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Morse Code Tutor for Computer?
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morse code programs for dos/windows/macintosh etc, can all be found at

     oak.oakland.edu

in the

     /pub/ham_radio

subdirectory. lots of 'em.

kc





From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:26 1995
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From: Mark Whittington <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Motorola Radius UHF mobile
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Hello

  If anyone knows if there's a way to program a Motorola Radius UHF
mobile radio through a PC, please post or mail me.  The radio has an 8
pin modular mic pluc, and a 14 pin plug on the back.  Thank you.

73
Mark Whittington, KE4MAA




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Pieter van De Kerk)
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Subject: My wife's 1a exam
Date: 9 Aug 1995 01:03:10 GMT
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My wife had her 1A exam a little while back ... the exam was graded on one
minute of perfect copy only.  No 10 question exam at all, either a minute
of perfect copy or failure.  It also had a LOT of abbreviations - OT, FB,
UR, ES and a couple of others I can't remember ... I only got a minute to
read it as they were making out her upgrade certificate after ...

The exam was a lot meaner than my 1A  .. is that standard now?
She is very curious, as everyone had been telling her about the "10
question exam" all the way through she feels like they tried to zap her
because she's female or something.  Not that it stopped her ...

KE6GXD
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (WarrenRing)
Subject: Re: My wife's 1a exam
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In article <4091ge$[e-mail]>,
David Pieter van De Kerk <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>My wife had her 1A exam a little while back ... the exam was graded on one
>minute of perfect copy only.  No 10 question exam at all, either a minute
>of perfect copy or failure.  It also had a LOT of abbreviations - OT, FB,
>UR, ES and a couple of others I can't remember ... I only got a minute to
>read it as they were making out her upgrade certificate after ...
>
>The exam was a lot meaner than my 1A  .. is that standard now?
>She is very curious, as everyone had been telling her about the "10
>question exam" all the way through she feels like they tried to zap her
>because she's female or something.  Not that it stopped her ...
>
>KE6GXD

I'm a VE.

The VE team may have wanted to save trees by examining her copy before
handing her the 10-question exam.  Once it was found that she passed
on perfect copy, the 10-question exam was unnecessary.  One VE team leader
here doesn't allow changes to copy after the 10-question exam is handed
out; he believes that the wording in the questions might assist in
correcting copy.  Personally, I don't subscribe to that idea, but it's
up to the leader.  If she had failed the code, they would have been
required to give her the 10-question exam.

The content of the CW message is up to the VE team.  Usually they use
message tapes supplied by their VEC (sponoring organization, ie.
ARRL, W5YI...), but they don't have to.  I was helping at a test
session last Saturday, and was listening to the CW during the test,
and heard "...TS-950 running 450 watts...".  Nobody runs 450 watts
without an external amplifier.  The message also said the weather was
hot - 76 degrees!  The message doesn't have to make sense.  In fact,
legally it could be random characters.  It just has to contain at least
one each of all characters and prosigns.

You got to read her copy after the test???  That would be irregular.
VE teams are instructed to tell only how many characters of perfect
copy were found, or how many test questions were answered correctly.
They are admonished by their VEC to avoid going any further than that
(except to tell whether or not you passed).

VE teams aren't out to get people.  Actually, they want to see as many
people as possible pass, as it helps justify our use of precious
spectrum if more people use it.  People taking the test usually feel
a lot of pressure, but she shouldn't assume the VE team is out to get
her.  If you think tests are hard now, ask someone near you who's held
a license for 20 years what it was like before the VECs were created.
It may be a good idea to take the next exam from another team,
if it's close by.  Good luck.

Warren Ring
AB6QE



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: My wife's 1a exam
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WarrenRing ([e-mail]) wrote:
[snip]
: If you think tests are hard now, ask someone near you who's held
: a license for 20 years what it was like before the VECs were created.

After many years (27, to be exact) of sitting on Advanced Class, I have made
it a priority to make the ultimate upgrade by the end of the year.  As a
young high-school senior I made the 60-mile trip to Detroit to take the exam
for General.  During the code test, workers were tearing out the back wall
of the office.  The examiner brushed off the suggestion that noise was a
problem, saying that we'd have rough copy on the air, so we'd better get
accustomed to it.  Those who didn't pass the code test got the boot - no
chance even to see the theory exam.  Plus, they were out the fee ($8 as I
recall, not a trivial amount in the '60s) and couldn't test again - anywhere
- for 30 days.

There were so many more stresses back then to make the examinee even more
nervous.  The FCC examiners had about the sense of humor of an IRS agent.
Since it was necessary to appear at an FCC Field Office, that meant up to a
150-mile trip, one way.  Many prospective hams didn't have the advantage of
the high school education that we take for granted today, so the algebra
needed for the General was a killer for many.  If the code didn't get 'em,
the theory would.

When incentive licensing came about, and the Advanced Class ticket was
introduced, I once again made the trek to Detroit, this time as a
second-year college student.  A couple of my buddies went along for the
test.  I didn't really feel prepared for the test, but was under time
pressure to test during the summer break, because in the fall i was
transferring out-of-state to a four-year university, and would be even
farther from an FCC Field Office.  By the grace of the gods of radio, I
was the only one of the three who passed.

There was also no immediate notification of success or failure, on the
theory exams.  Word would come from Gettysburg, and it might take 2-3 weeks
just to get a notice of failure.  There was no online access to the FCC
calsign data, and it was necessary to have ticket in hand to begin
operation, with new or upgraded frequency priviliges.

I'm convinced that the General exam was a lot harder then, too.  While there
were books available to teach theory, and sample questions were included,
there was no question pool where the questions and answers were available
verbatim.  You could expect to have equations and values rearranged, so it
was an absolute necessity to know the theory cold.

By comparison, I expect the Extra exam to be a piece of cake.  But, since
our club holds VE testing, I have to do well, or I'll never hear the end of
it from my "Extra" buddies who have been urging me on...including one old
timer who used to work for me as an electronics technician/installer years
ago, before I took the career path to software.

As treasurer of our club, one of my duties is to collect the VE testing fee.
While I don't sit in on the exam sessions, I have the advantage of seeing
how the system works.  The members of our VE team have urged me to become a
VE, but that's going to take a back seat to the upgrade to Extra.

I hope this gives everyone a bit of perspective and, hopefully, my
historical recall is correct.

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
[phone] (O)  |   Unix:  "It isn't supposed to be easy...If it
[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:31 1995
From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)
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I think the nearest one to you is (was?) NAA
at Cutler, Maine.




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:32 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Need Advice on where to post....
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Greetings from the glacial moraine....

Can anyone tell me where to post a question about finding a
source for a part for a Radio Shack tuner...

Thanks
Glacier Gruff
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (VINY N1VC)
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Subject: Need G-5400B manual
Date: 10 Aug 1995 12:21:09 -0400
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I am looking for the operating manual and or service manual for the Yaesu
G-5400B AZ and EL antenna rotator. Thanks ahead of time. Please respond by
internet or phone [phone].


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Mileshosky)
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Subject: Need info on Kenwood TH-79A!
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 23:37:51 GMT
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Hello,
  I am looking for info on the Kenwood TH-79A dual-band HT. Any
problems? Likes? Dislikes? Any and all info regarding this rig would
be appreciated!
  I am planning on buying one and want some info before I do so.

Send all replies to:  [e-mail]

73,
Brian, N5ZGT...




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Mileshosky)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need Info on Yaesu FT-51R!
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 23:36:15 GMT
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Hello,
  I am looking for some info on the Yaesu FT-51R dual-band HT. Any
problems? Likes? Dislikes? Also, I have heard that this HT gets
spider-cracks near where the battery connects. Has this happened to
anybody else?
  I am looking to buy one and any other bit of info about this rig
would be appreciated!

PSE send your reply to:  [e-mail]

73,
Brian, N5ZGT...





From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Richard Rosenfeld)
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Subject: P.S. on Leukemia donations
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I will also consider equipment donations, which I will try to sell at
local hamfests.  Upon sale of items, I'll email or call you as to how
much was received, etc., and forward the info to the Leukemia Society.

Thanks!
--
Member, Leukemia Society's "Team in Training." | Tax-deductible contributions
Run/walk in Bermuda Marathon, Jan. 12-15, 1996 | accepted and welcome.  Email
-----------------------------------------------| or call for more info.  All
Scott Rosenfeld  Burtonsville MD  301-549-1022 | sponsors welcomed.  Thanks!


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:35 1995
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From: Brian Hammill <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Perseids Information
Date: 10 Aug 1995 16:12:05 GMT
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The Perseids meteor shower peaks this Weekend (August 12).  I have only seen
one
posting related to the Perseids shower from a planned operation in Grid JP30.

I am located in Grid FM05 in Central North Carolina.  I have made meteor
scatter contacts before on 2 meters using my 12 element yagi and 150 watts.

The most likely area to contact via meteor scatter for me is the midwest,
including Wisconsin, Kansas, Texas, Arkansas, Indiana, Michigan, Louisiana,
Missouri, and Illinois.

If you have information about the best times for trying scatter contacts, or
would like to try a sked with me sometime this weekend, I want to hear from
you.

73 and Good Luck,
Brian - KD4BFJ



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rothan Maxwell)
Subject: QRP-L LIST
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Hello to all, I'm looking for info on subscribing
to the QRP-L list. If you have info please e-mail
me.

Thanks and 73's/ 72's max (Nu6u)




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rothan Maxwell)
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I asked, and I recieved ! Thanks to all the guys
who took the time to send me e-mail about the
QRP-L list 73's/72's rothan (Nu6u)




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Fred Lloyd, AA7BQ)
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Subject: QRZ E-Mail Callsign Server Available
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We're pleased to announce that you can now lookup callsigns
via e-mail.  To lookup any callsign in the QRZ database,
send a message to:

[e-mail]

Your message may contain one or more lines which contain the
word 'lookup' followed by a callsign to look for.

Example:

lookup aa7bq
lookup w1aw


Please feel free to give it a try and pass the info on to
your friends.

73,

-fred  AA7BQ


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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:38 1995
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From: Simon Twigger <[e-mail]>
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HI there,

I just changed my callsign as a result of upgrading my licence.
I intend to get some QSL cards printed up now my call isnt likely
to change for a while, and I was wondering how this might affect
QSL's using my previous call. I havent sent out many QSL's using
my old call, but I have quite a few to send - can I use
the QSL cards with my new callsign on as long as I write on my old call,
or would this invalidate the QSLs for DXCC purposes or whatever else
the other station might want to use them for?


Thanks for any advice anyone can give.

Simon AA9PW/G1SNT



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:39 1995
From: [e-mail] (Bruno Bienenfeld)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 16:35:23 GMT
Subject: Re: QSL Cards & changing callsigns...
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In our society change of your name dosnt change your legal obligations-
that for and in accordance with DXCC rules you may apply for credits
with old/new calsign.
Same prefix hunters may ask you for your old calsign since it may be rare
so - you can print your QSL with the new call and add ex-old one.


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Someone)
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Subject: Question about traveling with Radio
Date: 8 Aug 1995 14:40:20 GMT
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I'm going to leave Canada for a job in Asia...
and i want to bring the radio along with me...

do i need any special application to import my radio to japan,
taiwan and hongkong??

can i still use my canadian license and call sign in those countries??

any help would be appreciated!!

simon
VE7VSI



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Howard Lester)
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Subject: Re: Radio Shack 2m amplifier
Date: 7 Aug 1995 23:18:17 GMT
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I got my repaired amp back from Radio Shack on Saturday. Well, actually, they
gave me a new one. Turns out the one I had was "not economical to repair". No,
I don't get a new warranty - the warranty expires a year from April when I
originally bought it.

This one seems to work differently: for one, I did hear some intermod. Two,
there is apparently a preamp in the receive section, as evidenced by the
fact that when I turn the amp ON, the 2m received signals increase. I did
not notice that happening with the other unit. Out-of-bad signals do decrease
when the amp is ON, as well they should.

Howard Lester KE7QJ


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:41 1995
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Bill Schaff <[e-mail]> writes:
>In article <3vt0bu$[e-mail]> Jeffrey Wittich,
>[e-mail] writes:
>>Yes, it is, but be sure to FEED it properly.  None of these cigarette
>>lighter plugs.  The amplifier needs about 5 amps, and that requires
>>direct connection to the battery to avoid alternator noise on the

>I am using the Radio Shack amplifier off of the cirgarette lighter plug
>without difficulty.  Using a battery operated handheld into the amp, I
>have not had reports of alternator whine or heard any on receive.  Maybe

Likewise - I am using a ciggy lighter plug and have had no complaints,
and no problems with the amp.  In fact, I have been extremely please
(so far) with the way the amp operates, although I wish it didn't
get quite as warm as it does.  I have an inclination to provide it with
more of a heat sink to get that heat OUT of the box and away from the
semiconductors.....

Duane
wb9omc



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:42 1995
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In article <408o9i$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...

>>>Yes, it is, but be sure to FEED it properly.  None of these cigarette
>>>lighter plugs.  The amplifier needs about 5 amps, and that requires
>>>direct connection to the battery to avoid alternator noise on the
>
>>I am using the Radio Shack amplifier off of the cirgarette lighter plug
>>without difficulty.  Using a battery operated handheld into the amp, I
>>have not had reports of alternator whine or heard any on receive.  Maybe

>Likewise - I am using a ciggy lighter plug and have had no complaints,
>and no problems with the amp.  In fact, I have been extremely please
>(so far) with the way the amp operates, although I wish it didn't
>get quite as warm as it does.  I have an inclination to provide it with
>more of a heat sink to get that heat OUT of the box and away from the
>semiconductors.....

Same here.  I just set the amp by the vent under the dash on the hump
in my truck to keep it cool.  The A/C or blower is on all the time.
It seems to work just fine.

Paul
KE6OTL



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clif Moyers)
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For fm operation, alternator noise on the supply to the amp is not going to
create received noise on the other end (when the sig. is received) unless the
fm receiver is of really poor design, or maybe (?) at really weak signal
conditions.  Noise (alternator or any other source) superimposed on the dc to
the amp may cause am of the amp's output but this should not show up as
signal (audio) out of the fm receiver.

Clif
WA4BKY

>In article <403oeo$[e-mail]>, Bill Schaff <[e-mail]> writes:
>> In article <3vt0bu$[e-mail]> Jeffrey Wittich,
>> [e-mail] writes:
>>>Yes, it is, but be sure to FEED it properly.  None of these cigarette
>>>lighter plugs.  The amplifier needs about 5 amps, and that requires
>>>direct connection to the battery to avoid alternator noise on the
>>>transmitted signal.
>>
>> I am using the Radio Shack amplifier off of the cirgarette lighter plug
>> without difficulty.  Using a battery operated handheld into the amp, I
>> have not had reports of alternator whine or heard any on receive.  Maybe
>> the make of car is important.  I am in a 87 Volvo.

>FWIW...  I've been using my TR-7950 on a cig. plug for years when I do
>communications in a SAG wagon on bike rides and running events.  I've used
>it in a number of different vehicles including an 89 Aerostar, 76 Volvo,
>'8? Transport, 84 Dodge Colt, etc. and never had alternator noise on receive
>or the transmitted signal.

>The radio is a 45 watt model and it draws 9.5 amps.  No, it probably isn't
>the best installation, but it is temporary and handy.  We do what we can.

>73,
>Ken
>--

>__________________________________________________________________________
>Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~











From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
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Subject: Re: Radio Shack selling Outdated Adv. Test book
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For that matter, I saw recently in an RS near me the Maia/West GROL book
"marked down while supplies last" to $6.50.

Go figger.

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel)
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Subject: Re: Radio Shack selling Outdated Adv. Test book
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In <406ptu$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Jerry B Altzman) writes:
>
>For that matter, I saw recently in an RS near me the Maia/West GROL
book
>"marked down while supplies last" to $6.50.
>
>Go figger.

You have to understand how the RS inventory system works.  RS
automatically devalues an outdated item for the store manager.  These
devaluations directly impact the bonus a manager can receive.  Too many
markdowns, thefts, etc. can cause an inventory loss and thus the amount
of money a manager can make.

So when the manager can sell any outdated, devalued inventory item for
any money, this can directly impact his bonus.  In other words, why
would a manager be tempted to sell something old and outdated?  Because
he can make money doing it.  The heck with the unsuspecting buyer!

Regards,

Duffy - WB8NUT



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[e-mail] (Walter R Francis) writes:

>"Element 4A Question Pool Valid to July 1, 1995!" to quote the cover..
>
>Do you expect Rat Shack to lose sales, regardless of date of material?
>They were selling old Police Call books from '93 to unsuspecting people
>even after the '95 book came out at my local store! ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Unsuspecting people? If they don't read the date on the cover then
too bad for them. No need for anyone to hold their hand. One wonders
how they cope in the grocery store with dated food items!

Jeff NH6IL



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> [e-mail] (Walter R Francis) writes:
>
>>"Element 4A Question Pool Valid to July 1, 1995!" to quote the cover..
>>
>>Do you expect Rat Shack to lose sales, regardless of date of material?
>>They were selling old Police Call books from '93 to unsuspecting people
>>even after the '95 book came out at my local store! ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Unsuspecting people? If they don't read the date on the cover then
> too bad for them. No need for anyone to hold their hand. One wonders
> how they cope in the grocery store with dated food items!
>
> Jeff NH6IL

I go to reputable grocery stores that keep a close watch on their stock.
They pull things when they are outdated.

Ken
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey A. Harvey)
Subject: Re: Rebar grounds and exploding myths
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Paul Knowlton ([e-mail]) wrote:
: -> > I would not use rebar that is part of a foundation as a grounding
: -> point. > If you did happen to have a direct hit, it could cause your
: -> foundation > to shatter/crack/explode.
: ->
: > The above is in direct contradiction to the information supplied by
: > the Poly Phaser company.

: Then Poly Phaser was wrong. It is correct that if there was a direct
: hit, that it will damage the foundation. Besides, you have concrete,
: which is not the greatest of conductors between the rebar and ground.

Well....perhaps a direct hit to the foundation _itself_!
I keep my foundation in the basement, not on the roof! {:)}
Have you read the Poly Phaser book?
They seem to know what they are talking about.
Perhaps someone should call them to straighten them out...
Have a nice day.
-Jeffy VE1BLL


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Subject: Re: Rebar grounds and exploding myths
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey A. Harvey) wrote:

:>Paul Knowlton ([e-mail]) wrote:
:>: -> > I would not use rebar that is part of a foundation as a grounding
:>: -> point. > If you did happen to have a direct hit, it could cause your
:>: -> foundation > to shatter/crack/explode.
:>: ->
:>: > The above is in direct contradiction to the information supplied by
:>: > the Poly Phaser company.

:>: Then Poly Phaser was wrong. It is correct that if there was a direct
:>: hit, that it will damage the foundation. Besides, you have concrete,
:>: which is not the greatest of conductors between the rebar and ground.

:>Well....perhaps a direct hit to the foundation _itself_!
:>I keep my foundation in the basement, not on the roof! {:)}
:>Have you read the Poly Phaser book?
:>They seem to know what they are talking about.
:>Perhaps someone should call them to straighten them out...
:>Have a nice day.
:>-Jeffy VE1BLL

It is my understanding that a foundation can explode if the tower it
is sunken into takes a direct hit.  There is usually moisture in the
ground and likely in the foundation too.

What does lightning do?  It doesn't just strike the ground and that's
the end of it.  Any moisture could be affected too.  If your tower is
hit couldn't the moisture in and around the foundation boil or
vaporize instantly?  Wouldn't it stand to reason then that the
resulting gasious expansion could cause the foundation to
"shatter/crack/ or explode?"  Isn't this an effect of the heat
generated?  Wouldn't it be the same as putting an ice cube into a
glass of tepid water?  Listen to it crackle...couldn't the temperature
differential create the same results?  I haven't tried ice cubes with
rebar yet...  <%-*

This doesn't mean all foundations will shatter/crack/explode all the
time but the chances are pretty good that they can.

Any Physics majors here.

============================================================================
Jim Martin, WK1V                | I speak for no one....not even myself.
Lowell, Massachusetts           |
USAF(Ret) 1973-1993             |
Ex-KB1LW-N1CLS-KA5MWD-HL9ZF     |
============================================================================



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From: [e-mail] (Peter Simpson)
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Subject: Re: Rebar grounds and exploding myths
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Knowlton) writes:
>-> > I would not use rebar that is part of a foundation as a grounding
>-> point. > If you did happen to have a direct hit, it could cause your
>-> foundation > to shatter/crack/explode.
>->
>-> The above is in direct contradiction to the information supplied by
>-> the Poly Phaser company.
>
>Then Poly Phaser was wrong. It is correct that if there was a direct
>hit, that it will damage the foundation. Besides, you have concrete,
>which is not the greatest of conductors between the rebar and ground.
>

I, too, have wondered about this.  The cause of the damage to the foundation,
I believe, would be the heat generated by the resistive losses in the rebar
causing the moisture in the concrete to turn to steam, which would expand and
crack the concrete.  So what matters here, is how good a conductor is the steel
rebar, and how good a connection is there between rebars and a good ground?

If it were my house, I'd use a different method of grounding.  Besides, there's no
rebar in my foundation.
--

 Peter Simpson, KA1AXY       Linux!       [e-mail]
 3Com Corporation         The free Unix   [phone] voice
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From: [e-mail] (John E. Taylor III)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Peter
Simpson) wrote:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Knowlton) writes:
> >-> > I would not use rebar that is part of a foundation as a grounding
> >-> point. > If you did happen to have a direct hit, it could cause your
> >-> foundation > to shatter/crack/explode.
> >->
> >-> The above is in direct contradiction to the information supplied by
> >-> the Poly Phaser company.
> >
> >Then Poly Phaser was wrong. It is correct that if there was a direct
> >hit, that it will damage the foundation. Besides, you have concrete,
> >which is not the greatest of conductors between the rebar and ground.
> >
>
> I, too, have wondered about this....[deletions]

I thought it was PolyPhaser who recommended multiple ground rods around the
tower foundation, well bonded to each leg of the tower, and avoidance of
rebar sticking through the foundation into the ground.  At least those are
the standard practices I've read.

--
John Taylor    (W3ZID)      |  "The opinions expressed are those of the
e-mail: [e-mail] |   writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company."


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Rebar grounds and exploding myths
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Knowlton) writes:
>>-> > I would not use rebar that is part of a foundation as a grounding
>>-> point. > If you did happen to have a direct hit, it could cause your
>>-> foundation > to shatter/crack/explode.
>>->
>>-> The above is in direct contradiction to the information supplied by
>>-> the Poly Phaser company.
>>
>>Then Poly Phaser was wrong. It is correct that if there was a direct
>>hit, that it will damage the foundation. Besides, you have concrete,
>>which is not the greatest of conductors between the rebar and ground.
>>
>
>I, too, have wondered about this.  The cause of the damage to the foundation,
>I believe, would be the heat generated by the resistive losses in the rebar
>causing the moisture in the concrete to turn to steam, which would expand and
>crack the concrete.  So what matters here, is how good a conductor is the steel
>rebar, and how good a connection is there between rebars and a good ground?
>
>If it were my house, I'd use a different method of grounding.  Besides, there's no
>rebar in my foundation.

The key point you're both overlooking is that the rebar laced concrete
is a *much* better conductor than soil. Therefore the I^2R losses in
the concrete are much less than in the soil, so most of the heat *doesn't*
go into the concrete. You can't treat Earth as a perfect conductor, it
isn't, and it's in series with any other elements in the circuit connecting
to Earth. That's why you'd get "exploding dirt" long before you'd get
exploding concrete.

Because the Ufer ground is effectively many resistors in parallel,
the current divides through it in such a way that no one point has
a lot of I, and hence no one point has a lot of I^2R to generate
heat. The energy of a lightning bolt is only about 20 joules total,
so if you spread it a bit, it can't do much.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Emarit Ranu)
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        Hello, I will be staying in Margate City, NJ (right up against
        Atlantic City) next week.  Are there any repeaters I can use
        just with an H.T.?  I have 2m and 440.  I remember there was one
        440 machine but I don't recall its frequency.

        Thanks!


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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (MikeDom)
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Hi Dan, You have an old channel master rotor, and all of the 3 wire rotors
were basically the same. A new control box will run you old motor. I
believe its something like 20 volts AC to run the thing if you want to
make your own control.
We just used one of those beasts this last field day....but we had a 12V
DC motor installed in it ( we were QRP Battery) it worked quite well.
                     73  mike


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From: [e-mail] (Terry Pridgen)
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Looking to buy a quality TNC for RTTY to operate with my FT-840 and PC.
Would appreciate all suggestions.
73
[e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (C J Teichert)
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I must be in San Fransisco from August 27 through August 31. Im looking
for information on 2M and 440 repeaters in the San Fransisco area. Any
nformation would be welcome. Please include Freq., PL, and Offset info.
If there are any club meetings during this time this info. would be
appreciated also. Thanx...N1SFK, Chuck


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Carvalho)
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I need a schematic for the above power supply.
I toasted off the zeners and need a part#.
--joe

My opinions are mine...All mine.
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For long you live and high you fly, And smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry
And all you touch and all you see, Is all your life will ever be...PF.DSotM




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:40:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Natalie)
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WarrenRing ([e-mail]) wrote:
: It was apparent that I had been hit not by lightning, but with an
: Electro-Magnetic Pulse (EMP) like I've read about when A-bombs go off.
: My next thought was "YOU IDIOT!!!  You're lucky you weren't killed!
: They don't let extra-class hams into heaven if they die by
: electrocution!"  But I've never heard of anyone getting shocked by EMP!

Not EMP, just static.  I've watched a lot of safety film regarding material
handling and static discharge.  It is a misconception that the tower is
likely to be hit by a bolt of lighting (or a lighting rod).  All that needs
to happen is the storm to pass through and have the air charge up around
your tower.  This is the point in lightning rods.  They discharge the
static before theres lightning, not afterwards.

Actually, almost anything moving can cause static buildup.  One common way
is to pour liquids through air(like filling your aircraft).  That's why
grounding is so important there.  One day when an electrical storm was
moving through I stopped by the airport to find the guy refilling the
fuel truck.  Not only was there increased chance of static ignnition
on the fuel truck, but he was standing on top of the thing, making him
the highest conductor around (I mused that it could only be made better
had he been smoking).

I got about five feet away from a lightning strike once.  I was sitting
in my car with the window rolled down at a stop light.  I heard this strange
hissing noise and had just enough time to turn my head when lightening
struck the light pole next to my car.

-Ron



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (WarrenRing)
Subject: Re: Shocking DIA experience.
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I have an interesting event to share.

This morning around 5:00 AM, I was awakened by a heavy rain outside,
and thunder in the distance.  It's not unusual for me to disconnect my
HF rig when a storm is brewing, so lay there waiting until the
lightning was about two miles away (counting 1001, 1002... between the
lightning and thunder) and then got up and went downstairs to pull the
plugs.

My shack is an add-on room with a ceramic tile floor,  I have a tower
behind the house with a Lightningbolt 2-element 5-band quad antenna
50 feet up a Rohn HDBX-48 tower, with a Ringo Ranger 2-meter omni on
a sidearm, and a G5RV center support on the other side.  The tower is
grounded with one rod at the base, and all equipment in the shack is
grounded to another rod outside the house.  The quad and the G5RV are
switched through an MFJ-1701 6-position coax switch to an FT-890/AT
HF rig.  The tower is surrounded by trees that are about 70 feet tall.
(OK, I like free-standing towers.)

I toyed with the idea of using gloves to disconnect the cable to the
rig by unscrewing the PL-259 from the Common connection to the coax
switch.  But I decided not to because (1) the closest lightning strike
was two miles away, (2) the lightning strikes were about a minute
apart, (3) unscrewing PL-259s with gloves on isn't fun, (4) the tower
is grounded, (5) every piece of equipment in the shack is grounded,
(6) I was tired and wanted to get back to bed, (7) unscrewing the
connector would take only about 5 seconds, (8) a layer of cloth
isn't going to stop a lightning bolt.

Figuring I'd at least use the "one hand" rule, I put my right hand
behind my back, unscrewed the PL-259 with my left hand, with my
hand resting on the switch box, I pushed the PL-259 off the switch
box with my finger tips, and at that moment, ZAP!, there was a flash
of light (no sound), and I got a respectable shock in my arm.  It felt
like about 100 to 200 volts DC.  (Years ago I got a 350 VDC shock,
and I still remember what that felt like.)  I was shocked in more ways
than one.  I thought "How could there be a short?  Everything's
turned off!"  Two seconds later I heard thunder.

It was apparent that I had been hit not by lightning, but with an
Electro-Magnetic Pulse (EMP) like I've read about when A-bombs go off.
My next thought was "YOU IDIOT!!!  You're lucky you weren't killed!
They don't let extra-class hams into heaven if they die by
electrocution!"  But I've never heard of anyone getting shocked by EMP!

Looking back on this episode, I considered something.  No conductive
part of the quad antenna is closer than about six feet from the tower.
The spreaders are made of fiberglass.  The shield on the cable running
to the quad antenna is not grounded at the antenna; it goes to a balun
out on the loop, so if the quad gets hit with an EMP (or lightning),
there's no place for the charge to go but down the coax to the switch
box, through my hand if necessary, to the grounded equipment in the
shack.  Wow!

Life is dangerous.

Warren Ring
AB6QE
Columbus, Ohio



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Shocking DIA experience.
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In article <4087ns$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ron Natalie) writes:
>WarrenRing ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: It was apparent that I had been hit not by lightning, but with an
>: Electro-Magnetic Pulse (EMP) like I've read about when A-bombs go off.
>: My next thought was "YOU IDIOT!!!  You're lucky you weren't killed!
>: They don't let extra-class hams into heaven if they die by
>: electrocution!"  But I've never heard of anyone getting shocked by EMP!
>
>Not EMP, just static.  I've watched a lot of safety film regarding material
>handling and static discharge.  It is a misconception that the tower is
>likely to be hit by a bolt of lighting (or a lighting rod).  All that needs
>to happen is the storm to pass through and have the air charge up around
>your tower.  This is the point in lightning rods.  They discharge the
>static before theres lightning, not afterwards.

No. Almost certainly what he experienced was EMP. EMP effects are *the*
most common antenna effect during a thunderstorm, far more likely than a
direct strike because they occur for *every* lightning discharge within
a several mile radius of the antenna. Those of us who routinely play with
large ungrounded antenna structures know this effect well. Up at the farm
I had a 1,000 foot rhombic. I attached one leg of it to a sparkplug once
and could reliably detect lightning by the EMP that would cause the plug
to fire every time a distant lightning stroke occurred (even for discharges
that offered only a faint glow on the horizon and no audible thunderclap).
EMP's effect with antennas is, of course, simply reception of an
electromagnetic pulse, something antennas are designed to do. And,
of course, a lightning discharge generates an electromagnetic pulse,
it is, after all, a natural spark transmitter.

This has nothing to do with "static", which is an entirely different
phenomena. For a static charge to build up, his antenna would have to
have been disconnected *first*, and *then* brought near a grounded point.
For static charge separation to occur, a very high impedance between
the charges is required (which can't happen with the antenna tied to
Earth via his coax switch and cable braid), as well as a charge separation
mechanism, most typically mechanical, ala a Windhurst machine. In nature,
the most likely charge separation mechanism is wind driven particulates,
often dust, but sometines snowflakes too. Such charges build up slowly,
at less than 20 uA/s, and most antennas don't have enough capacitance to
Earth to store much charge. Typically, you never build up enough to generate
a spark you can see in daylight when you discharge the antenna. But EMP
generated induction can deliver nice fat sparks, like those normally
seen with sparkplugs.

If you think lightning rods prevent strikes by discharging "static",
then you are sadly mistaken. Even Ben Franklin, the inventor of the
lightning rod, knew better than that. Lightning rods offer protection
by making themselves the most attractive target for lightning in the
area. They thus safely provide a controlled path for the discharge
rather than letting it meander through other paths that might cause
harm.

Lightning rods do this by generating early and strong streamers,
which, when they meet a step leader coming down from the cloud,
form a low impedance ionized channel for the lightning discharge
currents.  Since the lightning rod is designed to be the most
prolific and strongest source of streamers in the local area,
it makes itself the most likely target for the bolt.

Lightning rods don't offer 100% protection, the meeting of streamer
and step leader is a chaotic process akin to a random walk, but they
offer good protection because the odds that it will be one of their
streamers that intersects a step leader are much greater than for
other structures in the area.  And, because streamers from multiple
sources typically become tangled on their way up to the cloud, the
eventual lightning current will follow Kirchhoff's Law and flow
primarily in the lowest impedance path regardless of which particular
streamer first encounters a step leader. That's why lightning bolts
often appear to fork in the sky, the currents are travelling several
tangled streamer paths, but typically terminate at only one point on
the ground, the point with the lowest impedance.

Barring the presence of a lightning rod, a grounded antenna structure
can serve the same purpose, generating streamers from antenna "points".
And will thus be the most likely target structure in the area. The
source of the currents for the streamers is the current mirror induced
in the Earth by a passing thundercloud, so obviously, a low impedance
connection to Earth is required for best streamer production (and for
safely conducting the return stroke to Earth).

If you doubt this, here are some good reference works to consult.

_Atmospheric Electricity_ by John A. Chalmers

_The Thundercloud_ by C.B. Moore in Vol 1 (_The Physics of Lightning_)
of the compendium _Lightning_ edited by R. H. Golde

_The Lightning Discharge_ by Martin A. Uman

_The Electrification of Thunderstorms_ by Earle R. Williams

And for treatment of EMP, specifically NEMP, see

_The Role of Space Charge in Nuclear Lightning_ by Chatham Cooke
and Kenneth Wright in _Journal of Geophysical Research_ vol 93
number D2 pp 1679-1688

For a practical hands-on engineering view, see

_The "Grounds" for Lightning and EMP Protection_ by Roger Block

EMP effects on antennas are very real, and very common. Only a
direct strike is potentially more destructive to equipment or
more dangerous to personnel. "Static" is rarely ever dangerous
to properly designed equipment, and almost never presents an
electrical hazard to personnel. Static buildup is also typically
only an issue on very dry days. At other times, the humidity of
the air offers a sufficient leakage path to prevent large
buildups of charge on antenna structures.

To Warren, I would suggest fitting EMP rated suppressors to your
tower base, and routing your antenna cables via those suppressors
to the shack. (I'd also suggest improving your tower ground field,
using single point ground window technique at your shack entrance,
etc. But you've likely seen me say that before. Properly done, these
latter steps will protect you from direct strikes too, not just from
EMP hazards.)

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
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Summary: lightning!  Wow!

A posting from a decade ago:

From noscvax!uhpgvax!islenet!bob Sat Jul 27 18:17:21 PDT 1985
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Cunningham)
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Subject: lightning, PACXs and computers
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Had serious problems from a lightning strike last week.  Now that most
everything is working again, though I'd pass on some details.  Those of you
in some parts of the U.S. might not find this sort of thing so unusual, but
if you think it Couldn't Happen Here, read on ...

Thunderstorms occur only a few times a year out here in the Hawaiian
Islands, and lightning tends to strike in relatively harmless places.  Last
Wednesday at about 1500 a small but intense little storm was accompanied by
a relatively intense lightning strike on the the eastern end of the
University of Hawaii campus.  Eyewitness reports of exactly where the
lightning struck are numerous and contradictory, observers up to five miles
away were mightily impressed by the huge bolt of lightning and very loud
thunder.

There was no apparent effect on the power lines, outside of the possible
"jiggling" of a few cycles.  The affect on data communications lines was
more impressive.

Briefly, all of the on-campus computer facilities with data communications
lines extending beyond their immediate buildings (typically RS232
3-or-4-wire leased phone circuits or similar) suffered burned out
ports and burned out terminals, notably:

        several VAX780s at the Center for Cultural Interchange between
        East & West (an on-campus "think tank" type organization) lost
        multiplexer (port) boards and distribution panels.

        a VAX785 in the Information & Computing Sciences Dept. lost
        multiplexer boards & distribution, and appears to have suffered
        memory and/or cpu damage.

        several VAX780s in the Management Systems Office (administrative
        computing) lost multiplexer boards & distribution, and may have
        more extensive damage.

        the High Energy Physics group lost multiplexer boards & panels
        and a tape drive on their VAX780.

        a VAX750 in the Marine Sciences Building kept on operating,
        oblivious to the fact that more than 8 of its ports had just burned
        out.

        an H800 at the Hawaii Institute of Geophysics lost virtually all of
        its DMACP (port) daughter and mother boards.

        All three of the larger port selectors on campus (1 large Gandalf
        at the UH Computing Center, 1 smaller Gandalf at the East/West
        Center, and 1 Micom 600/2 at the HIG) suffered a large number of
        burned out line boards, along with some port boards.

None of the computers which crashed (all of the above, except the VAX750),
suffered disc crashes.

For the most part, most of the damage appears in obviously-burned-out RS232
driver circuitry, and continues back into logic on the various port
interface (multiplex) boards.

An as-yet-uncounted number of terminals (minimum estimate: several hundred)
were damaged.  Typically, the RS232 driver chips (most often 1488) were
burned out.  In about 30% of the terminals I've personally checked so far,
damage spreads further into the terminal logic board, and sometimes all the
way to the power supply.

Most of the affected terminals were on relatively long lines (more than
200' or so), however many terminals with much shorter lines -- even some
in the same room as their computer -- suffered damage.  Usually, these were
attached to port/multiplexer cards along with one or more long-line
terminals.

Microcomputers (such as IBM PCs) chugged right along without noticing the
lightning strike -- unless they had an out-of-building asynch connection,
in which case they suffered damage like terminals.

In many cases (notably the IBM3081D, DEC20 and HP3000/64 at the UH
Computing Center), port selectors protected individual machines almost
completely.

I don't have an accurate monetary estimate of the damage, but
it will certainly run over $100,000.

Field engineering response from Digital was quite good, but handicapped by
the fact that DEC only carries one "kit" of spares in the islands for each
model of VAX.  Assessing the damage took a day or so (UH has almost
entirely, basic service), some replacement boards arrived quickly, others
not until after the weekend.  Response from other vendors was
similar; Harris pulled parts off its production line
in Florida and burned-in over the weekend for us.  Micom responded
quickly to ERE requests, shipping within 24 hours via Federal
Express.  I don't have details on Gandalf's response yet.

A wide variety of different maintenance agreements were in effect with the
various manufacturers.  Many of the contracts turned out to have "acts of
god" exclusion clauses.  Fortunately, all of the vendors involved took the
attitude that they'd fix now, and worry about who would pay later.
--
Bob Cunningham  {dual|vortex|ihnp4}!islenet!bob
Honolulu, Hawaii


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>From: [e-mail] (Bob Cunningham)
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Subject: Re: lightning, PACXs and computers
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> ... In particular I wonder
> if your communications lines are above or below ground?  What about
> your power lines?  Are they above or below ground? Secondly, do your
> communications lines have any type lightning or surge protection?
> Were any of the affected lines shielded?  Do you have surge protection
> on your power lines?

All of the comm lines are underground, in conduits (not steam tunnels,
which we don't have out here).  In some cases these were leased "4-wire
control circuits" from the local phone company (Hawaiian Telephone Co.,
a GTE subsidiary); in other cases, self-installed.  All power lines are
also underground (separate conduit, usually completely different trenches).
Note that power lines were not affected, nor were regular phone lines (not
a single modem was zapped, and no phone problems of any kind were
reported).  None of the comm lines had lightning or surge protection.  Some
(a few) were shielded -- though I'm not sure how well the shielding was
grounded.  Some power lines have surge protection, some not; in any case
the path was NOT thru the power lines.

Interestingly, some of the affected lines were entirely within a single
building, typically of reinforced concrete (and for ordinary r.f. signals,
the rebar cage usually provides some shielding).  My theory is that -- at
some point -- those comm lines were bundled with other lines passing from
building to building.

> We are in a lightning prone area, and I have been attempting to
> understand the intricacies of lightning protection recently.  I
> confess that the more I hear the more confused I get.  I have
> concentrated on power protection, but your problems seem to have resulted
> from a communications line hit.

That's what the evidence definitely indicates.  Surprised us.

> I wouldn't have thought that such a
> hit would spread to so many machines, unless you had a tremendous
> earth current transient that affected buried lines in a wide area,
> or were unlucky enough to get a hit on some central distribution
> point.

There was no central distribution point -- several completely separate
computer "centers" were involved, none tied together in any way.  I'd say
the ground current transient (or, perhaps several as a charge briefly
"bounded" back and forth from the clouds to the earth and back again until
settling) seems likely.

> Am I wrong in this evaluation?  Is there some other way such
> a strike could get into a widespread communications network?  How
> does one go about protecting such a network from lightning?

I'd like some of those answers myself.  Anyone else with experience care to
comment?
--
Bob Cunningham  {dual|vortex|ihnp4}!islenet!bob
Hawaii Institute of Geophysics Computing Facilities
Honolulu, Hawaii

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Protecting one building or tower from lightning is fairly straightforward:

1. First order protection -

On the tallest object associated with your structure, mount an
extended umbrella-like fixture a few meters in diameter, with numerous
sharp points along the periphery and across the crown, spaced about 1
meter apart.  (You can make the thing from re-bar and heavy duty
chicken wire unless you have high winds like we have around here.)
Use a large diameter conductor (1 to 2 cm.) to connect the umbrella
points together at the center and thence down to a suitable ground
stake located at a place where soil moisture is prevalent, but more
importantly, try to make the conductor run in a straight line with
*no* sharp corners; use a minimum radius of 1.5 meters on any bends in
the ground wire.  Keep this wire at least 2 meters from any power or
communications conduit at all places along its route.

Theory:

The multitude of points will emit a trickle corona continuously,
resulting in a space charge of ionized air within 20 meters of the
umbrella.  The space charge will terminate the cloud-to-ground
electric field across a broad hemisphere and will reduce the local
field gradient to a value below that needed to form "leaders".  The
umbrella will likely not ever be hit by lightning; however, the
conductor gauge is set to minimize the damage inherent in such a
strike.  (A strike, if it occurs, will likely be a secondary,
(resulting from the shift in electrostatic field just after a strike)
to another object within a fraction of a km.)  This approach, you
should note, puts additional stress on your neighbors (they will see a
slight rise in their hit statistics) as it only postpones the
discharge until the cloud has moved past your installation.  The
ground conductor is spaced from other conduits so that the
Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) associated with the 10000 Ampere surge
will not be able to develop equivalent currents in parallel conductors
adjacent to the ground wire.  Using a large diameter and avoiding
bends reduces the per length inductance discontinuities.  This
discourages the abandonment of your ground conductor in favor of
nearby metal objects such as power conduits (resulting in hazardous
elevation of the system ground potential to thousands of volts above
the mains).

2. Second order protection -

Protect your primary power entry by use of a surge protector having
four main elements

a.) Line fuses for each hot main NO FUSE FOR THE WHITE NEUTRAL.  No
circuit breakers (too slow).

b.) Self extinguishing gas discharge tubes or arc chutes routed to a
primary ground stake *separated* by 3 or more meters from the umbrella
ground mentioned above, *not* using the same stake, even, and using
the same linear routing algorithm mentioned above.

c.) Heavy gauge inductors, 1 microhenry or thereabouts for typical 30
to 50 Ampere per phase service levels, to choke the surge out of the
consumer side of the system.  NONE IN THE WHITE NEUTRAL.

d.) Post choke line clamping to WHITE NEUTRAL.  This is where the
witchcraft comes in.  One candidate is the Metal Oxide Varistor (MOV).
They have two disadvantages: They age, gradually reducing their
threshold over time until one day they evaporate in a ball of fire
during a line surge.  They have a rather remote threshold
characteristic compared to, say, a Silicon TransZorb.  They have
several advantages: They are cheap.  They come in packaging that is
familiar to professional electricians.  They are generally more robust
than Selenium or Silicon protectors.  They have a smaller geometry
than a Selenium protector.  Another candidate is a combination
protector made up from a ground referenced 50 Ampere triac in series
with either a lower rated voltage MOV or TransZorb element, with the
triac gate wired back to (an artfully positioned) tap on the gas
tube/arc chute ground.  From here (this stuff belongs in a fire-rated
NEMA box) the WHITE NEUTRAL and GREEN NEUTRAL are tied together at
this one point only, and passed through a medium size conductor to the
primary ground stake by a route that is separated by 1.5 meters from
the gas tube/arc chute ground.

Theory:

If your power line gets hit, the gas tube fires and conducts the surge
current to ground.  The 20 kilovolts experienced by your service entry
(for about 10 microseconds) will go through the chokes and will cause
the MOV or complex protector shunt to break down and draw a steadily
rising current (to many tens of Amperes), but immediately choked to a
reduced voltage.  The fuses will, after a while, be blown away.  Until
then, the MOVs will clamp the WHITE NEUTRAL to the mains (perhaps
resulting in noticeable rise of the common-mode voltage).  It is this
common-mode elevation which destroys your out-of-building
communications interfaces.  With everything in the building coming to
2000 volts above your neighbors (including your local telephone
operating company), any common-mode paths will be severely stressed.
However, especially withing the building, they will be less stressed
than they would have been if the mains were allowed to diverge from
the WHITE NEUTRAL.

3. Third level protection

The most effective common-mode protection is an Ultra-Isolator
Transformer.  It is also rather expensive compared to differential
line protectors and secondary Silicon TransZorb protectors.  Although
many Ultra-Isolator Transformers were utilized during the 1970's by
sensitive computer installations, it was realized eventually that the
most damage to main-frame equipment was done by differential surges
(main to main on three-phase systems).  The common-mode threat was
seen as too little to justify the cost and complexity of installation
of an ultra-isolator, which, by the way, can also be done
ineffectively, resulting in no net improvement in the level of
protection.  The companies that make ultra-isolators issue complete
and effective instructions concerning their installation.  The
difficulty is in getting industrial electricians to follow the
directions.  Thus for the benefit of the main-frame and peripheral
power supplies, for cost effective purposes, a good differential surge
eliminator inside the enclosure of each system power supply is
recommended.  However, remember that the common mode is the most
destructive to your distributed data communications peripherals;
unfortunately, to protect them you must provide the entire computer
room and distributed CRT terminal load with an ultra-isolator
transformer, or see that each unit is designed to withstand momentary
local and global differences of thousands of volts on the signal
returns.  Even then, on occasion, only one violator located in a
critical location and tied to a non-isolated power system elsewhere in
the building can blow the whole scheme.

Theory:

Not much theory here.  The entire primary winding of the transformer
may get lifted to 2000 volts, but the secondary remains referenced to
the computer room ground stake.  The box shields around the the
windings are tied to the stake, and short out the electric field that
might otherwise couple to the secondary.  Saturation of the
transformer core protects the differential mode.  The differential
protectors installed in each power supply dissipate the surges locally
and since each takes a small part of the surge energy, no
concentration of damage will likely occur.

4. Fourth order protection

You may get surge protectors for all communication lines leaving the
building.  Each will need a reliable path to a stout ground.  (DEC
usually specifies that the computer frame GREEN WIRE ground be done
with a heavy gauge wire, and all surge protector grounds be separately
returned to the distribution transformer secondary neutral grounding
point.) You may add Silicon TransZorbs to power supply rails in data
communications equipment.

Theory:

If one of your comm lines gets hit, or gets involved in an induced
surge, the elevation in voltage not dissipated by the protector is
conducted through the internal diode clamps included in most IC line
drivers and receivers to a ground or supply rail, and thence to a
TransZorb (a back-to-back zener with a heavy silver anode and
thermally conductive silver leads).  If enough protectors are in
place, the common-mode surge is clubbed to death by the collective
capability of all peripheral surge protectors operating together.

And that about does it.  Needless to say, if you do a good job of
protecting your site, and one of your neighbors gets hit, you may be
damaged anyhow by currents resulting from the elevation of your
neighbor's electrical ground.  This is especially true in Hawaii (and
even more so on their mountain tops) where the ground is made of lava
rock.  If you get hit by lightning, your entire site goes to 25000
volts with respect to the surrounding neighborhood.  This bleeds down
to appx 2000 volts over the next 100 microseconds or so.

If you have several buildings to worry about, such as may be the case
for a university campus, putting an umbrella protector on every
building will only cause the cloud to ground potential to develop to
the point that when you finally do get a strike, it will be a *real
killer*.  It has been pointed out elsewhere that most lightning
strikes are from the ground up to the cloud.

Thus, More Theory (speculation):

I suspect that the mechanism is something like this: Collisions of air
molecules with each other and the things that make up the surface tend
to knock electrons off the air molecules.  There are other charge pair
generation mechanisms as well, such as natural radioactive decay of
Radon 222 and its decay products.  (This specific mechanism is not my
theory - see JGR Vol 90 No D4 Pgs 5909-5916 June 30, 1985, Edward A
Martell, NCAR.)  The electrons, because of their charge, are sticky.
They cling to the surfaces of various semi-insulators (rocks and dry
dirt) and near the surface of conductors until enough of them are
implanted to provide a counter electrical field gradient to repel
later arrivals.  The positive air ions are separated by thermal
energy, and molecular screening prevents the immediate recombination.
The charge separation is effected by the rising of the warmed
positively ionized air.

Once the charge is separated, mutual repulsion drives the electrons
into the conductive ground layers.  Later, as the air rises and water
condenses, positively charged droplets accumulate in descending air
columns at the front of the storm just ahead of the rising column.  A
field gradient is thus established with respect to the ground, where
all the electrons are.  As the ground is conductive, the electrons
follow the cloud until, with the aid of conductive moisture and the
turbulence of the rising and descending air column interface, leaders
are established and a strike path is ionized and carried into the
descending air.  The electrons travel up the path in a flash (parts of
which will have oscillations at radio frequency) and then distribute
themselves (at a more leisurely pace, accompanied with local flashes
and secondary flashes) in accordance with upper level gradients until
there is nolonger sufficient gradient to ionize the cloud-to-cloud
paths.

Time scales:

Main strike and individual secondary strikes each about 10
microseconds.

Duration of ionized path, reversals and secondaries about 100
microseconds.

Duration of high altitude electrical coronae readjustment about 1
millisecond.

Localized differences in the final potential may result in some
reverse strikes from a few overcharged negative clouds to the ground,
or subsequently more numerously (after air motion), cloud to cloud
"readjustments".

Well, I've done it again.  Darn.  If this is too long, I suppose you
should flame me for it, or if I am guilty of mis-representing known
(un)truths, that would qualify as well.  But I wanted to at least try
to clear up the nature of lightning and its hazards a little.

                                                          Howard Hull
        {ucbvax!hplabs | allegra!nbires | harpo!seismo } !hao!hull


From noscvax!uhpgvax!islenet!bob Tue Aug 13 10:56:13 PDT 1985
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Cunningham)
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Subject: Re: lightning, PACXs and computers (followup)
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At last count, over 40% of the zapped terminals we had were repairable only by
replacing the 1488 and/or 1489 chips (usually the 1488).  An
industrial-quality solder remover (heater + vacuum pump) is highly
recommended.  The percentage seems to be slightly higher (better) for port
selector boards (Gandalf & Micom).  Needless to say, we've been installing
sockets for those chips where practical.

On the computer side, all the port/multiplexer (DZ or whatever) boards
were just swapped out.  Not sure what percentage just had driver chips
burned out or not.  Subsidiary damage (one tape unit and some memory
boards) was limited to just 2 systems, and my opinion is that not all
the equipment at those locations was solidly tied to a single ground.

Besides the followup articles in this newsgroup, I've received a
considerable number of mail messages (all appreciated, though
I've not had time to send individual replies), falling into
two categories:

        1) similar horror stories
        2) thoughtful advice on lightning protection

Apparently, similar incidents (lightning damage via local data comm lines)
are much more common & widespread than I'd have thought.  Unless you're in
a very unusual location, if you've got comm lines going between buildings,
be warned:  something similar might just happen to you.

While I've received a number of very sensible suggestions on lightning
protection, there doesn't seem to be one single solution we could adopt
in all cases.  Suggestions have ranged from using opto-isolators,
diodes (of various sorts, including MOVs), to using telco-type
spark gap devices, to fiber optics.  Each approach has some good points.

However, the thought of having to install any particular suggestion
on the 800 or so data comm lines around campus which probably should have
protection is a sobering thought.  Schemes cheap in material (e.g. diodes)
look to be rather labor-intensive (if both terminal and computer/port
selector ends both need protection -- which seems optimal).  Schemes
cheap in time (e.g. fiber optics) look a bit expensive in parts
(though the thought of pulling a lot of fiber optic cables to replace
twisted-pair lines is also rather sobering).

So far, I think our best approach here is to stick to the basics.

For starters, going over all of the central grounds.  All Computer
equipment and auxiliary racks within a room should be securely grounded
to a single point with generous-size braided ground straps.
The objective is to minimize any possible ground differences between
computers and their peripherals (including port selectors).
It seems to be a good idea to tie down all incoming terminal
grounds (RS232 pin 7) to that same point -- as the lines come in
(typically on punch blocks).  This should localize damage (typically to the
port selectors).  It also seems reasonable to dedicate whole computer-side
port/multiplexer boards to PACX lines ... no more mixing direct-connect
and port selector terminals.  Typically, the only terminals I want
to leave directly connected will be those in the same building
(preferrably the same wing) as the computer site.  This should also
minimize computer-side damage.

Fortunately, port selector boards are MUCH cheaper to repair/replace
than computer port/multiplexer boards.

Relatively expensive terminals (graphics types, for the most part) should
get some special form of isolation at their end from the RS232 lines
(preferrably something simple that plugs in between the RS232 line
and the terminal).

Cheaper terminals (< $1,000) I think are best left as-is for now.

All NEW inter-building trunks (multiple data comm lines) that I have
any control over will be fiber optic lines (stat muxes at each end,
of course).

We do have some plans for a couple of real LANs around campus.  I
do believe that specs for those will now definitely include some
form of lightning protection.
--
Bob Cunningham  {dual|vortex|ihnp4}!islenet!bob
Hawaii Institute of Geophysics Computing Facilities
Honolulu, Hawaii


From nosc!humu!uhccux!bob Wed Aug 19 11:05:00 PDT 1987
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Cunningham)
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Subject: Re: Lightning storms zapping modems [really LONG!]
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Summary: postscript notes on the 1985 lightning strike

Some postscript notes on the 1985 lightning strike here at the U. of Hawaii.

No one ever figured out the total extent of damage, but it certainly was
in excess of $100,000 across the campus.  The Hawaii Institute of Geophysics
alone---where I'm responsible for various machines---documented $43,000
in damages for the claim on our multi-risk insurance policy (which,
very fortunately specifically included fire & lightning...your typical
insurance policy often specifically doesn't cover those).  That doesn't
include any of our DEC equipment which was replaced by DEC with no
questions asked (they were kind to us, if they went by the fine print
on their maintenance contracts, legally speaking they could have stuck
us with some hefty bills).  My guess is that HIG sustained about
20-25% of the damage on campus (the lightning striking just about on
top of us); if so, then the total campus damage ran around $200,000.

Again for HIG alone, over 40 terminals were damaged.  Almost half
of those we were able to repair by replacing 1488/1489 chips and such.
The remaining terminals were much more thoroughly fried and weren't
economically replaceable.  I don't know what the campus total of
damaged terminals was, but it was almost certainly over 100.

There were some indications that one or two computer sites may indeed
have suffered some sort of power surge, but the main damage was to
data communications equipment and devices attached to that equipment.
With several thousand datacom lines running around campus there were
lots of "antennas" that picked up induced currents.

We thought up all sorts of schemes to protect ourselves afterwards,
but really didn't implement any protection measures systematically.
The Meteorology department did a risk study which showed that the
probability of a similarly damaging lightning strike on campus
within the next 20 years was very, very small.  I hope they're right.

More (probably most now) campus terminals go through various port selectors
now, which means the port selectors protect most of the larger computer
systems from this sort of thing (our experience showed that replacing
parts of the port selectors was substantially cheaper than replacing
computer boards).  On the other hand, we're much more thoroughly
ethernetted on campus now and I don't have any experience with
lightning zapping ethernets.  One hopes that the transceivers
are the weak links.

Also on the other hand, we have many, many more PCs and fewer
computer terminals.  The PCs are more expensive to fix.

If we were in Florida or the midwest where lightning strikes such
as this were more common, we'd certainly take more systematic
protection.

1985 was not a fun year.  Several months afterwards we were hit
by a hurricane that knocked out the power grid on Oahu (and Kauai),
leaving Honolulu (the 11th most populous U.S. city) without power
for several days.  [during that time, hardly anybody was concerned
about their computers, being preoccupied by more immediate problems like how
to deal with the immediate shortages of water, gasoline and refrigerated
food---all very dependent upon electrical power].

Outlying areas were without power for several
weeks while the rest of us had to deal with rolling blackouts before
power generating capacity and major electrical trunk capacity
was restored.  We'd start up our computer systems when we had
power, and bring them down when the radio announcement came that
the power company was about to "roll" the power over to another
locality.

Utility electric power was generally "flaky" for
perhaps a year afterwards, with brief outages or major phase
imbalances occuring more than once a week.  HIG invested
in an UPS (uninterruptible power supply) for our main computer
systems.  Other University sites weren't so fortunate and
for various reasons wouldn't or couldn't obtain UPS's.

During that time an extraordinary number of power supplies and
various other computer components rolled over and died.  It was,
of course, virtually impossible to tie any specific failure to
the power problems we know we had during that time, but my personal
guess is that HIG alone probably saved the $40,000 or so we
spent for our 50kva UPS during the following year in equipment
that didn't fail because of power problems.

All of that is is the past now, and we generally don't worry too
much about these sorts of problems.  Although...once every few
months when we get an occasion power problem (particularly if
it's a surge of some kind) I can count on 1-3% of our various
models of PCs rolling over and dying (though it's usually just
the power supplies).

Bob Cunningham
Hawaii Institute of Geophysics, University of Hawaii
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Francis)
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>In article <4087ns$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ron Natalie) writes:
>>WarrenRing ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>: It was apparent that I had been hit not by lightning, but with an
>>: Electro-Magnetic Pulse (EMP) like I've read about when A-bombs go off.
>>: My next thought was "YOU IDIOT!!!  You're lucky you weren't killed!
>>: They don't let extra-class hams into heaven if they die by
>>: electrocution!"  But I've never heard of anyone getting shocked by EMP!
>>
>>Not EMP, just static.  I've watched a lot of safety film regarding material

>No. Almost certainly what he experienced was EMP. EMP effects are *the*
>most common antenna effect during a thunderstorm, far more likely than a
>direct strike because they occur for *every* lightning discharge within
>a several mile radius of the antenna.

Try this and I see if you get the same results..

When a thunderstorm is about 4 or 5 miles out hook a field strength
meter up to an antenna lead. Every time you see a flash in the
distance the pointer on the meter will move just a little bit. The closer
the lightining gets the higher the readings will go on the meter. You might
have to set the meter to max sensitivity at first and work down from their.

I have found that I can get a spark when the lightning is less than 1 mile
away.

Another thing..  I did have static build up once. When that happened I started
getting sparks from the center pin to the shell of the coax connector. As
the static charge got higher, the frequency of the sparks got faster. My
antenna or something very close to it was hit a few min. later. (blew the
element in my transitrap sp?)

Just my observations....
Chris
N8TBW


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[e-mail] (Dana Myers) writes:
>  I've seen some notes here on the Usenet
>from someone that live in Hawaii

oh, that's me!

>describing the 2m climate in
>SoCal, but I don't think he has operated 2m in Los Angeles
>for a long time.

147.435 147.435 147.435 147.435 147.435 147.435 147.435 147.435 MHz

Pllzzzzztttttt.

I make it back to your side of the ocean three times per year. My
ears burn for a month after that.

73 from Honolulu (the nation's 11th largest city),
Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Werther)
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Subject: SOFTWHERE: RigManager 2.0 for Windows
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I'm looking for some remote radio control software for my rig. I
heard RigManager by W1AW is one of the possibilities. What is the
experience out on the globe. Can it be used for a TS950SDX with all
functions?

I want to evaluate this software. I somebody can send me a copy I
would appreciate this.

Tnx, 73

Ron
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Ron Werther                 PA3DSO        [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:19 1995
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Subject: SSTV programs
Date: 8 Aug 1995 21:49:12 GMT
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I'm looking for a SSTV program that will run on my PC,
and use the Soundblaster card for decoding SSTV (and fax etc)
images.

Can anyone help me??


Villy
VE6SQ



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:19 1995
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From: Rick Lehman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: SSTV programs
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Harlan Technologies (815)3982683(evenings at weekends best)offers Color
Slow Scan for the Sound Slaster.  I have never used it, therefore I
cannot say how good it is... I can say that it is not a very popular
choice and that shareware software is readily available for very
inexpensive($20) hardware interfaces that produce very good results.  If
you are interested in more see URL HTTP://www.gate.net/~rlehman/

73,

Rick WB4EJC



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John W Langner)
Subject: Re: SSTV programs
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In article <408m4o$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm looking for a SSTV program that will run on my PC,
>and use the Soundblaster card for decoding SSTV (and fax etc)
>images.
>
>Can anyone help me??
>

If you have access to the WWW, set the URL to:

        http://www.ultranet.com/~sstv/computer.html#ssii

and this will take you directly to information about a program
for receiving SSTV with a Sound Blaster.

If you can't get to the WWW, contact:

Harlan Technologies
5931 Alma Drive
Rockford, IL 61108

73,
John WB2OSZ

>
>Villy
>VE6SQ
>




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Allen Finne)
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Subject: sstv, amiga
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I am looking for a public domain SSTV program for the amiga. Could someone
point me towards one?

73 Allen kb5sqk




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:22 1995
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Subject: Re: sstv, amiga
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In article <408hgi$[e-mail]>, Allen Finne <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am looking for a public domain SSTV program for the amiga. Could someone
>point me towards one?
>
>73 Allen kb5sqk
>
>


The only Amiga SSTV software I am aware of is the AVT Master which
was manufactured by AEA but discontinued about 3 years ago.
It was incredible at the time and very popular but now rather outdated
so I'm sure you could pick up a used one really cheap.

For more information about this fascinating but often misunderstood
and neglected mode of communication see the SSTV Handbook at:

        http://www.ultranet.com/~sstv

73,
John WB2OSZ




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:22 1995
From: [e-mail] (Bruno Bienenfeld)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 15:26:15 GMT
Subject: Re: stamps on radio amateurism
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I used to collect stamps as a youngster, and in the corse of last 60 years
have seen stemps dedicatet to our hobby from appx. 50 different countries.
USA for one has at least 3 stamps on subject. Israel has one or two.
some african countries and I think have seen ON (Belgien) or pre- WW2
or postwar one.
Conntact any fillatelistic shop or your local organisation as well as
Phillatelistic Cattalog will have info on subject.

from the log of AA6AD


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:23 1995
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Subject: Suggestions Please
Date: 9 Aug 1995 20:58:11 -0500
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I am a new HAM (Technician) in the Dallas, TX area and would appreciate
some guidance regarding the purchase of a Handi-talkie.  Are the dual
band units worth the extra expense?  My primary use of the unit will be
to and from work and the occasional auto-patch call over the phone lines.

Any thoughts or opinions would be greatly appreciated.  Lenny Taylor  KC5QBE
--
molson@utd-dallas


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jose Antonio Gonzalez)
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Subject: SW: HyperLog v ?.?
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Hello!

Does anyone know which is the last versi≤n of Hyperlog?

Many thanks.

Best 73 from Spain, EA2BSN



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
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Subject: TAPR President on Show! - hr&m.txt [01/01]
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Greg Jones, WD5IVD, President of TAPR is this week's guest on the Ham Radio &
More Show. Call in and ask Greg your questions, and win some good prizes, too!
73, Len
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Len Winkler, KB7LPW                           [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Fred Lloyd, AA7BQ)
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Subject: The QRZ Callsign/Email Registry
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** Weekly Posting **

The QRZ Callsign/Email Registry Now contains over 4100 callsign to
email address listings and ig growing daily.

We have a WWW page where you can input your e-mail address directly
into the QRZ Callsign Database, where it will be published on both
CDROM and on the internet.  When you use this page, your email-address
is made instantly available to the online database.

Everyone is encouraged to check in and add their e-mail address to the
server.  There are no charges or listing fees, and it's free to all
radio amateurs.  The procedure takes only a second, and you are only
asked to supply your callsign and e-mail address.

The URL is:

http://www.qrz.com/email.html

If you don't have WWW access, send an email to [e-mail]
with the one-line message:

qrz-email    YourCallsign      YourEmailAddress

E-mail submissions will be sent an automated reply.

Register your e-mail address today!


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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:29 1995
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Anyone interested in trading a "Galaxy Saturn Base Station" for a
"RCI2950" with a brand new "in box" "Astron RS-M20" power supply?
Pat!



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From: Ian Roger Brothwell <[e-mail]>
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Would someone kindly remind me of the telnet address for the Buffalo callsign
server?

Thanks,  Ian G4EAN @ GB7BAD  or [e-mail]



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Would someone kindly remind me of the telnet address for the Buffalo callsign
server?

Thanks,  Ian G4EAN @ GB7BAD  or [e-mail]



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Would someone kindly remind me of the telnet address for the Buffalo callsign
server?

Thanks,  Ian G4EAN @ GB7BAD  or [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Glibbery)
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Subject: US Military Field Expedient Antennas
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I have some fairly basic questions that I would appreciate your help and
guidance  with.

I have been reading a US Army Special Forces manual which discusses various
types of improvised, field-expedient antennas such as:

Ground Plane
Horizontal
Long-wire
Half-Rhombic
Doublet

I'm writing from the UK and the references mentioned in the manual are not at
all easy to come by - I've tried.

1) In the case of some of these designs there is a need for a 'ground'. The
diagrams in the manual show one end of a wire attached to a metal stake which
is pushed into the ground, while the other end is attached to the radio set
itself. Where on the radio set is the free end of the ground wire attached ? Is
it attached to some kind of socket, or do you somehow attach it to the body of
the radio set ?

2) When using a 1/2-Rhombic the manual mentions that you feed the two 1/4 wave
antenna elements from the centre using a 'coax'. What exactly is a 'coax' and
how does it differ from the antenna wire itself ?

3) With the 1/2-Rhombic design the manual suggests that if a coax is not
available to use a 'twisted pair'. What is a twisted pair ? My guess is two
sheathed copper wires twisted together - but is this too simple a thought ?

4) With the 1/2-Rhombic one end of the antenna wire is attached to a
terminating resistor. The idea of this resistor is to give some
directionality to the radio wave (I recognise that there is a difference
between a resistor and an insulator (in the later case, the manual suggests a
piece of wood or a C-ration spoon)). Does anyone have a good idea of what would
make a good field expedient resistor ?

Thanks,

Peter




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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Peter Glibbery) says:
>
>You'r kidding us, right Peter?  Playing a little "see who will respond"
game?  Ok!  you got one, me.

Butch


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:33 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Has anyone had an experiences of working tropo-enhanced vhf communications
induced by Chinook winds?  I would be interested in hearing your stories.

Occasionally, we get Chinooks in Alaska.  It would be very interested to
receive information on how these natural phenomena can be used for enhanced vhf
communication.

James Wiedle
WL7NO


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Subject: What does "HAM" mean?
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I don't endorse it, I'm just reposting it - header and all:


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From
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zo!outland!terry.mccarty From: [e-mail] (TERRY
MCCARTY) Newsgroups: N,rec.radio.swap Subject: Ham - Origin Date: Wed, 25
Jan 95 20:47:00 -0400 Message-ID:
<[e-mail]> Reply-To:
[e-mail] (TERRY MCCARTY) Organization: ][ The
Outland BBS ][ Raleigh, North Carolina X-Newsreader: PCBoard Version 15.2
X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.0 Lines: 55 Here is an interesting
article I picked up from a local BBS.  Seems like the best explanation I
have heard regarding the name "Ham".  Guess if some one really wanted to
check it out they could go to the Congressional Record for the dates
listed as well as newspapers of the time.  Anyway it sounds good.  Hope
you enjoy.

                    WHY RADIO AMATEURS ARE CALLED "HAMS"

        From Florida Skip Magazine - 1959 Have you ever wondered why radio
amateurs are called "HAMS"?  Well, it goes like this: The word "HAM" as
applied to 1908 was the station CALL of the first amateur wireless
stations operated by some amateurs of the Harvard Radio Club. They were
ALBERT S. HYMAN, BOB ALMY and POOGIE MURRAY.  At first they called their
station "HYMAN-ALMY-MURRAY".  Tapping out such a long name in code soon
became tiresome and called for a revision.  They changed it to "HY-AL-MU",
using the first two letters of each of their names.  Early in 1901 some
confusion resulted between signals from amateur wireless station "HYALMU"
and a Mexican ship named "HYALMO".  They then decided to use only the
first letter of each name, and the station CALL became "HAM".  In the
early pioneer days of unregulated radio amateur operators picked their own
frequency and call-letters.  Then, as now, some amateurs had better
signals than commercial stations.  The resulting interference came to the
attention of congressional committees in Washington and Congress gave much
time to proposed legislation designed to critically limit amateur radio
activity.  In 1911, ALBERT HYMAN chose the controversial WIRELESS
REGULATION BILL as the topic for his Thesis at Harvard.  His instructor
insisted that a copy be sent to Senator DAVID I. WALSH, a member of one of
the committees hearing the Bill.  The Senator was so impressed with the
thesis is that he asked HYMAN to appear before the committee.  ALBERT
HYMAN took the stand and described how the little station was built and
almost cried when he told the crowded committee room that if the BILL went
through that they would have to close down the station because they could
not afford the license fees and all the other requirements which the BILL
imposed on amateur stations.  Congressional debate began on the WIRELESS
REGULATION BILL and little station "HAM" became the symbol for all the
little amateur stations in the country crying to be saved from the menace
and greed of the big commercial stations who didn't want them around.  The
BILL finally got to the floor of Congress and every speaker talked about
the "...poor little station HAM".  That's how it all started.  You will
find the whole story in the Congressional Record.  Nation-wide publicity
associated station "HAM" with amateur radio operators.  From that day to
this, and probably until the end of time in radio an amateur is a "HAM"
[e-mail] (Former K1SWL)



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   _/_/  73, de Dave (Johnson) - KB5YIW in Socorro, New Mexico _/_/







From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Jonz)
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Brian, KC7LWZ ([e-mail]) writes:

        > What does "HAM" stand for?

This thread (and threads about other ham lingo) comes around about once
every six months or so.  On one of its last visits I decided to collect all
of the responses I could with the intention of compiling a Hamspeak/English
dictionary.  Needless to say, this project wound up on the back burner, but
I *did* edit a few entries.

Attached below is the entry for "ham", which includes the four principal
theories that seem to recur whenever this topic comes up.  These theories
are listed in what *I* consider to be the most plausible order (I believe
this is referred to as "editorial license"), and the first actually contains
a real live reference to someone who might actually know what he's talking
about.  ;-)


KB6JXT, Todd

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ham

An amateur radio operator, often referred to as a "ham radio operator."  The
precise origin of this term is without a doubt one of the biggest mysteries
in amateur radio.

        ( i ) During the late 19th century wire telegraphers with poor
        operating skills were known as "hams", and the trade schools at which
        they were trained were referred to as "ham factories" (cf. "The
        American Telegrapher - A Social History, 1880-1900" by Edwin Gabler.)
        "Ham" was probably derived from "ham-fisted", a pejorative term used
        to describe a heavy-handed brass-pounding style ("a fist like a ham.")
        "Ham radio" was later used by professional wire telegraphers to refer
        to amateur experimentation in wireless telegraphy.  These
        experimenters apparently did not object to the derogatory intent of
        this term, and adopted its use themselves.

        ( ii ) The early 20th century magazine "Home Amateur Mechanic", in
        which plans for a spark gap transmitter were first published, featured
        regular columns entitled "HAM Aviation", "HAM Invention", and, of
        course, "HAM Radio."  One theory cites this magazine column as the
        origin of the term "ham radio", and argues that it was adopted by
        young inventors and experimenters like ARRL founder Hiram Maxim Percy.
        Another theory suggests that "ham" was actually derived from Percy's
        first name - a highly unlikely possibility at best.

        ( iii ) The Harvard Radio Club's first wireless telegraphy station was
        identifed in 1908 as "Hyman-Almy-Murray", an amalgam of its three
        operators surnames.  In the interest of brevity this was later
        shortened to "Hy-Al-Mu" and eventually "HAM".  Although this is
        sometimes cited (primarily by Harvard graduates, one would presume) as
        the first use of the term "ham", it is more likely a fortuitous
        coincidence that the operators initials spelled the already popular
        term.

        ( iv ) Some armchair etymologists have observed that "ham" could be
        a shortening of a dialectic (possibly Scottish, Irish, or Cockney)
        pronounciation of "amateur", and suggest that this is the origin of
        the term.  No authoritative etymological source cites this theory.



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:40 1995
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In article <409i08$[e-mail]>,
Todd Jonz <[e-mail]> wrote:

>       ( iv ) Some armchair etymologists have observed that "ham" could be
>       a shortening of a dialectic (possibly Scottish, Irish, or Cockney)
>       pronounciation of "amateur", and suggest that this is the origin of
>       the term.  No authoritative etymological source cites this theory.

Hi Todd, do you consider the newspaper column "Word For Word" not an
authoritative etymological source or are you not aware of their
research?

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


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From: Force Majeur <[e-mail]>
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Date: 10 Aug 1995 04:02:50 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>In article <409i08$[e-mail]>,
>Todd Jonz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>      ( iv ) Some armchair etymologists have observed that "ham" could be
>>      a shortening of a dialectic (possibly Scottish, Irish, or Cockney)
>>      pronounciation of "amateur", and suggest that this is the origin of
>>      the term.  No authoritative etymological source cites this theory.
>
>Hi Todd, do you consider the newspaper column "Word For Word" not an
>authoritative etymological source or are you not aware of their
>research?
>
>73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)

There is no newspaper column in existence that is an authoritative
source on anything.  This is because newspaper columns are written by
newspaper columnists, not authorities.  Todd's first explanation is
correct.  All the others are after-the-fact rationalizations through and
through.



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From: [e-mail] (Eugene Kang)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>:>In article <[e-mail]>,
>:>   [e-mail] (Jim Martin) wrote:
>:>}[e-mail] (Luigi Greco) wrote:
>:>}
>:>}:>[e-mail] wrote:
>:>}:>: What does "HAM" stand for????
>:>}
>:>}As you can see by the myriad of DIFFERENT answers no one knows for
>:>}sure.  It's kinda like asking what color is the wind.
>:>}
>:>I know! I know!  It's clear.
>
>Uhhhhhhh, yeah, yeah...it's, uhhhhhh, clear.....yeah, clear...that's
>it.  8-D

Looks haze-coloured to me. :)



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Subject: Re: What is "HAM"?? (here we go again..)
Date: 7 Aug 1995 22:03:16 GMT
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In article <405sgn$[e-mail]>,
WB3U <[e-mail]> wrote:

>When I was licensed in 1966, the explanation I first heard was that Ham is
>short for Amateur.

My Elmer told me in 1952 that ham is short for 'amateur as pronounced
with a cockney accent.

There's a newspaper column entitled "Word For Word". Here is a quote:

"An earlier Word For Word suggested that the term HAM actor probably
referred to the HAM fat once used to remove make-up. On the other hand,
'A HAM Radio Operator' is certainly a play on the word AMATEUR! The
term was coined in the 1920s!"

It fits with what I was told 43 years ago, it makes sense, and it's
been researched by linguists.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:46 1995
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[e-mail] wrote:
>In article <405sgn$[e-mail]>,
>WB3U <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>When I was licensed in 1966, the explanation I first heard was that Ham is
>>short for Amateur.
>
>My Elmer told me in 1952 that ham is short for 'amateur as pronounced
>with a cockney accent.
>
>There's a newspaper column entitled "Word For Word". Here is a quote:
>
>"An earlier Word For Word suggested that the term HAM actor probably
>referred to the HAM fat once used to remove make-up. On the other hand,
>'A HAM Radio Operator' is certainly a play on the word AMATEUR! The
>term was coined in the 1920s!"
>
>It fits with what I was told 43 years ago, it makes sense, and it's
>been researched by linguists.
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)

Please post the details as to who these linguists were and what
research they performed (to verify this? You didn't say that.)

As a ham and a linguist, I'm fascinated. (No sarcasm intended - I really
would like to know.)

Another "linguist-researched" theory is that it means "ham" as in
"ham-fisted."  This story makes a lot more sense to me; the other one has
all the earmarks of a quickly-concocted story coined without any research
at all, rather like the well-known one about "Welsh Rabbit" versus "Welsh
Rarebit."  The fact that the quote you posted uses the exclamation point
a bit too much adds to the "sensationalistic nonsense" theory, although
it could indeed be the correct derivation.

73 de KB9JTT




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From: Hans Brakob <[e-mail]>
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Saw this somewhere---

- - -

"Nothing much new here....just the usual Code vs. No Code crap. Pro-
Coders dancing around like electronic Hare Krishna's chanting " Code
Great, Code is good, Code was used by Robin Hood ", while beating eac
other with their keyers. Meanwhile the No Coders are marching around
with signs reading " Code is Obsolete ", "Digital is the only God", a
" Beep This ! " while singing " Packet, Packet, we're a fan...If we c
Packet, anyone can ! "

- - - -

They're both wrong.

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill L. Kotarski)
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Subject: Re: Which licence for HF in USA?
Date: 7 Aug 1995 23:04:11 GMT
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Stefan Wimmer (193.96.231.25) wrote:
> Hi folks,

> browsing this newsgroup from time to time I have an idea that there are
> several licences in the USA like tech, advanced etc.
> Can someone enlighten a foreigner what wich licence implies?
> I suppose they form a hierarchy like ours here in Germany (C-A-B not A-B-C
> [lowest->highest]!!)) do? Especially I'm interested which license is needed
> at least to work on the HF bands?
Tech --no code is limited to vhf and uhf

A novice and TECH-plus can use 10 meters.
then it goes from the lowest class to the hiher class
General then advance then EXTRA.  Extra being the highest



>  ______________________________________                                ____
> |      Stefan Wimmer                  / c / e / l / l / w / a / r / e /    |
> |                                     Breitband Technologie GmbH           |
> | Tel:   ++49(30)4670 8235            Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25                |
> | Fax:   ++49(30)4630 7658            13355 Berlin, Germany                |
> | Email: [e-mail]                                                    |
> |                              WWW:   http://www.cellware.de/              |
> |__________________________________________________________________________|
> Do 't tou h the f op ydi ks su f ce!



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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Randall)
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Stefan Wimmer (193.96.231.25) wrote:
: Hi folks,

: browsing this newsgroup from time to time I have an idea that there are
: several licences in the USA like tech, advanced etc.
: Can someone enlighten a foreigner what wich licence implies?
: I suppose they form a hierarchy like ours here in Germany (C-A-B not A-B-C
: [lowest->highest]!!)) do? Especially I'm interested which license is needed
: at least to work on the HF bands?

:  ______________________________________                                ____
: |      Stefan Wimmer                  / c / e / l / l / w / a / r / e /    |
: |                                     Breitband Technologie GmbH           |
: | Tel:   ++49(30)4670 8235            Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25                |
: | Fax:   ++49(30)4630 7658            13355 Berlin, Germany                |
: | Email: [e-mail]                                                    |
: |                              WWW:   http://www.cellware.de/              |
: |__________________________________________________________________________|
: Do 't tou h the f op ydi ks su f ce!


   Stefan,
     To work HF in the U.S. you need a novice, technician plus, general,
advanced or extra license. The no-code license is technician class, no HF
privledges. For Novice and tech plus you need to know morse code at 5wpm.
For general class you need to know 13 wpm.
I'm a tech at the moment but I'm studing for my 5wpm code test to upgrade
to a tech plus. From there I'll go for the general class.

Tom Randall - KB2SMS



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:52 1995
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In <[e-mail]>, 193.96.231.25 (Stefan Wimmer) writes:
>Hi folks,
>
>browsing this newsgroup from time to time I have an idea that there are
>several licences in the USA like tech, advanced etc.
>Can someone enlighten a foreigner what wich licence implies?
>I suppose they form a hierarchy like ours here in Germany (C-A-B not A-B-C
>[lowest->highest]!!)) do? Especially I'm interested which license is needed
>at least to work on the HF bands?
>
> ______________________________________                                ____
>|      Stefan Wimmer                  / c / e / l / l / w / a / r / e /    |
>|                                     Breitband Technologie GmbH           |
>| Tel:   ++49(30)4670 8235            Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25                |
>| Fax:   ++49(30)4630 7658            13355 Berlin, Germany                |
>| Email: [e-mail]                                                    |
>|                              WWW:   http://www.cellware.de/              |
>|__________________________________________________________________________|
>Do 't tou h the f op ydi ks su f ce!
>
The license structure is as follows:

Name:        Code:     Priviledges:
Novice        5wpm    CW on parts of 80, 40, 15, and 10 meters, and
                               SSB on part of 10 meters, and
                               some very limited UHF priviledges

Technician  0           All bands above 30MHz
(no code)

Technician  5wpm     All bands above 30MHz, plus
(plus)                      Novice priviledges

General      13wpm    CW and SSB on parts of all HF bands,
                                 All bands above 30 MHz

Advanced   13wpm    Same as general, but larger part of HF bands

Extra          20wpm   Full priviledges on all amateur bands

The Novice class was originally intended as the entry point, with
operators upgrading to General class after they had mastered CW
(Until several years ago, Novices had only CW priviledges on HF.  Many
years ago, the Novice class license was a two year, non-renewable
license).  The Advanced and Extra classes were designed to entice Generals
to upgrade in order to obtain priviledges on larger portions of the bands.
The Technician class was designed for VHF/UHF experimenters.  However,
with the introduction of the no-code Technician class, this seems to be the
entry point, with new users upgrading to Technican plus licenses.

Dave
WA4QAL


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From: [e-mail] (David R Tucker)
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Subject: Re: Which licence for HF in USA?
Date: 9 Aug 1995 13:31:56 -0400
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Stefan Wimmer (193.96.231.25) wrote:
: Hi folks,

: browsing this newsgroup from time to time I have an idea that there are
: several licences in the USA like tech, advanced etc.
: Can someone enlighten a foreigner what wich licence implies?
: I suppose they form a hierarchy like ours here in Germany (C-A-B not A-B-C
: [lowest->highest]!!)) do? Especially I'm interested which license is needed
: at least to work on the HF bands?

There are 6 license classes: Novice, Technician, Technician Plus
(limited HF), General, Advanced, and Extra.  Technician and above have
full VHF/UHF privileges, approximate equivalent to the VHF/UHF CEPT
licence; General and above have decent access to the HF bands.
Advanced is approximately the equivalent of a CEPT Full license,
although only Extras have full privileges.  The biggest difference is
that even Extras have limited phone privileges compared to non-US hams
(leading to "foreign phone" bands).  If you're curious, all foreign
amateurs operating in the US under reciprocal privileges get the
privileges they get at home, but they cannot exceed the privileges of a US
Extra-class licensee.

-drt

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio)
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In article <402nn5$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Keitz) writes:
> In article <402pmn$[e-mail]>,
>    [e-mail] (C.N.B.) wrote:
> >[Will airport security allow HT passage?]
>
> Generally, yes.  Be prepared to demonstrate that it at least has a few
> radio parts inside (switch on, open the squelch, show display) and hasn't
> been converted to a bomb.  The same kind of thing they require for portable
> computers.

Actually they probably won't even require you to do that if you put it in a
carry-on container. My only experiences have been at Greene Airport in RI and
Newark International and those were with my laptop. They just put em' through
the x-ray and it's off you go. And no, the x-ray at either airport won't
damage your computer.

Tony

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== [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Martin N6MZV)
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Subject: Re: Will Airport Security allow HT passage?
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>
> On occasion I have been asked by the guards to turn the HT on, so that
> they can see the display light up and show some numbers, so you should
> have a charged battery pack handy (My ICOM IC-2SAT has a (small) internal
> battery pack, so this is never a problem for me).
>
> Colin McGregor - VE3ZAA

It is, however, considered bad form to turn on the radio and have it tuned to
the airport security frequency...

--

Bob Martin N6MZV          * [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (David R Tucker)
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Mike Keitz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <4036i9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dave Baker) wrote:
: >Never had a problem.  However, DO NOT transmit from the plane.
: >This is FAA no no!

: To expand on that further, do not *receive* in the plane either!  As I
: understand it, operation any sort of superheterodyne radio receiver
: including conventional broadcast-band AM and FM sets, is verboten inside an
: airplane (without the pilot's permission).

Are you quite certain?  Last time I was on a plane, radios (along with
computers and other "noisy" things) couldn't be used during takeoff or
landing, but were ok in between.  (Be sure to set Transmit Stop, of
course!)  I listened to my HT on that flight, and the attendant wanted
to make sure it wasn't a cellphone.  I assured her it wasn't, that it
was just a radio.  With transmit diabled, that's true.  No problem.

-drt

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From: [e-mail] (Frank R. Smith)
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In article <402pmn$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (C.N.B.) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (C.N.B.)
>Subject: Will Airport Security allow HT passage?


I've taken all kinds of equipment on board including HT's, scanners, HF gear
including transceivers and linears, etc. with no problem.  In fact, some
European airlines have permitted use of AM/FM receivers to listen in to
broadcasters below - much to the delight of passengers who want to hear
what local radio stations sound like.

I travelled with a former pilot one time on America West Airlines who was
monitoring everything up-front using a scanner while sitting in the passenger
section.  He did everything he could to conceal the scanner while explaining
to me that as a pilot he could verify there was NO WAY the oscillations could
disturb such highlysophisticated, filtered equipment that moderns planes are
equipped with.





From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:41:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David C. Gingrich)
Subject: Re: Will Airport Security allow HT passage?
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> Ditto.
>
> : I ALWAYS took my HT out of my carry-on luggage and had it visually
> : inspected.  And, I always separated the battery pack (I use the
> : alkaline battery case) and opened it up to show the inspector the
> : batteries inside.  I also tell them that I keep the batteries in one
> : compartment of my carry-on bag and the radio in another and that I
> : keep the small plastic cover attached to the top of the battery case
> : to keep from accidentally shorting out the batteries whilst in
> : flight...or any other time for that matter.
>
> On occasion I have been asked by the guards to turn the HT on, so that
> they can see the display light up and show some numbers, so you should
> have a charged battery pack handy (My ICOM IC-2SAT has a (small) internal
> battery pack, so this is never a problem for me).
>
> Colin McGregor - VE3ZAA

Boy, what a pain to go through all that grief. Just put the radio in your
brief case or other carry on and run it through the xray machine.  If I am
carrying nothing else, I just stick it in the pocket of my laptop case run
it through the xray along with the computer.  No delays, no demos,
(unless, of course you're like me and forget to take off your pager while
in line :)

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:42:00 1995
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Subject: Re: Will Airport Security allow HT passage?
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[e-mail] (David R Tucker) wrote:
>Mike Keitz ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: In article <4036i9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dave Baker) wrote:
>: >Never had a problem.  However, DO NOT transmit from the plane.
>: >This is FAA no no!
>
>: To expand on that further, do not *receive* in the plane either!  As I
>: understand it, operation any sort of superheterodyne radio receiver
>: including conventional broadcast-band AM and FM sets, is verboten inside an
>: airplane (without the pilot's permission).
>
>Are you quite certain?  Last time I was on a plane, radios (along with
>computers and other "noisy" things) couldn't be used during takeoff or
>landing, but were ok in between.  (Be sure to set Transmit Stop, of
>course!)  I listened to my HT on that flight, and the attendant wanted
>to make sure it wasn't a cellphone.  I assured her it wasn't, that it
>was just a radio.  With transmit diabled, that's true.  No problem.

Federal Aviation Regulation (FAR) 91.21 prohibts the use of any portable
electronic device on board an aircraft in flight with these exceptions.

1.  Portable voice recorders
2.  Hearing aids
3.  Heart Pacemakers
4.  Electric Shavers
5.  Any other device that the operator (the airline) has determined will
not cause interference with the aircraft's navigation or communications
systems.

The original purpose of this rule (it used to be 91.19 and was
esatblished in 1961) was to prohibit the use of portable FM *receivers*
aboard aircraft using VHF navigation.  The superhetrodyne technology
mentioned above can be a threat to the VHF equipment.  A poorly
constructed or malfunctioning receiver can cause interference.  Most
navigation today is still primarily VHF, augmented by UHF and SHF
systems like GPS.

I believe most airlines are pretty restrictive about the operation of
radios (receivers and scanners).  The FAA issued an advisory circular in
1993 on the matter.  They recommend that airlines prohibit the use of
all electronic devices during stages of flight involvoing sterile
cockpit operations - that is any operation, including taxi, below 10,000
feet and away from the gate.  The AC also advises airlines not to allow
any intentional radiators, including but not limited to, cellular
telephones, CB radios, or remote controlled devices while in flight.

Of course the use of ham radios on any airplane is subject to FCC
rules part 97.11 as well as FAR 91.21.  97.11 mentions Instrument Flight
Rules (IFR).  It should be noted that all flights operating at over
18,000 feet are under IFR as well as most commuter flights that may be
below 18,000 - this includes just about every jet airliner flight.

BTW, for those that do not know.  The use of cellular telephones in any
aircraft, including hot air balloons, while airborne is expressly
prohibited by the FCC under part 22.911.

--
Curtis Wheeler

aka:  [e-mail]



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The times I have flown out of Korea, I was asked to hand over all
batteries, and told that I could get them back at my destination if I
asked for them.  (People were putting drugs and AAAA cells inside D cells
to get through customs.)

On Sun, 6 Aug 1995, Jim Martin wrote:

> I have taken my handhelds literally around the world.  Well,
> distance-wise anyway.  This is before the OKC bombing, though, and
> before the mass histeria and Uni-bomber's latest.  My latest air trip
> was September 1992.
>
> I have never had any problems at airports in this country or in Korea,
> Japan, or Alaska...or even California.  Oh yeah, California IS in this
> country...8-D   Ooops!  I forgot...ever since I left California in
> 1969 I keep forgetting that.
>
> I ALWAYS took my HT out of my carry-on luggage and had it visually
> inspected.  And, I always separated the battery pack (I use the
> alkaline battery case) and opened it up to show the inspector the
> batteries inside.  I also tell them that I keep the batteries in one
> compartment of my carry-on bag and the radio in another and that I
> keep the small plastic cover attached to the top of the battery case
> to keep from accidentally shorting out the batteries whilst in
> flight...or any other time for that matter.
>
> On a personal note, I don't see why anyone should have a problem
> carrying their handheld radios on any flight.  Sometimes it will
> happen where you might run into an over zealous inspector who knows
> everything about everything...I have yet to experience that.
>
> Have a safe trip!
> 73
>
>
>
> ============================================================================
> Jim Martin, WK1V                | I speak for no one....not even myself.
> Lowell, Massachusetts           |
> USAF(Ret) 1973-1993             |
> Ex-KB1LW-N1CLS-KA5MWD-HL9ZF     |
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>
>


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N5>The times I have flown out of Korea, I was asked to hand over all
N5>batteries, and told that I could get them back at my destination if I
N5>asked for them.  (People were putting drugs and AAAA cells inside D cells
N5>to get through customs.)

N5>On Sun, 6 Aug 1995, Jim Martin wrote:

N5>> I have taken my handhelds literally around the world.  Well,
N5>> distance-wise anyway.  This is before the OKC bombing, though, and
N5>> before the mass histeria and Uni-bomber's latest.  My latest air trip
N5>> was September 1992.
N5>>
N5>> I have never had any problems at airports in this country or in Korea,
N5>> Japan, or Alaska...or even California.  Oh yeah, California IS in this
N5>> country...8-D   Ooops!  I forgot...ever since I left California in
N5>> 1969 I keep forgetting that.
N5>>
N5>> I ALWAYS took my HT out of my carry-on luggage and had it visually
N5>> inspected.  And, I always separated the battery pack (I use the
N5>> alkaline battery case) and opened it up to show the inspector the
N5>> batteries inside.  I also tell them that I keep the batteries in one
N5>> compartment of my carry-on bag and the radio in another and that I
N5>> keep the small plastic cover attached to the top of the battery case
N5>> to keep from accidentally shorting out the batteries whilst in
N5>> flight...or any other time for that matter.
N5>>
N5>> On a personal note, I don't see why anyone should have a problem
N5>> carrying their handheld radios on any flight.  Sometimes it will
N5>> happen where you might run into an over zealous inspector who knows
N5>> everything about everything...I have yet to experience that.
N5>>
N5>> Have a safe trip!
N5>> 73
N5>>
N5>>
N5>>
N5>> ==========================================================================
N5>> Jim Martin, WK1V                | I speak for no one....not even myself.
N5>> Lowell, Massachusetts           |
N5>> USAF(Ret) 1973-1993             |
N5>> Ex-KB1LW-N1CLS-KA5MWD-HL9ZF     |
N5>> ==========================================================================
N5>>
N5>> hi this is the first time ever in this forum and i saw that you
were a radio operator from lowell mass. my dad used to belong to the
react club in a small town near boston called somerville...his name was
harry cochran...maybe you knew him or knew some of the local react
members? i now live in new cambria, kansas...miss mass. a lot. he was
also a member of a civil war re-enactment group called the 5th mass.
battery. he loved cb's and even made his own scanner.:)

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:42:04 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Will Airport Security allow HT passage?
Date: 10 Aug 95 12:37:23 GMT
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Like many on the net, I had some fear that I would have to go through some
pagan ritual at the gate when I tried to carry my HT on the airplane.  I
used a small yellow Pelican case to hold the HT, spare batteries, antenna,
etc.  I merely put the case through the X-ray machine, and much to my surprise,
nothing at all.  I have repeated this procedure numerious times on various
airlines, all with the same result, ie nothing.  My experience is that it is
a non-issue to carry your assembled and live HT on the plane - just do it.



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:42:05 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!usenet
From: Rob Bellville <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: X-band transmitter source???
Date: 9 Aug 1995 22:00:41 GMT
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I'm looking for a X-band transmitter kit that Innotek, Inc used to sell
for about $30. Any sources new or used???


Thanks! - Rob

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:42:06 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: y
Date: 8 Aug 1995 21:24:51 -0500
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I need some guidance on an equipment purchase.  I am a new technician in
the Dallas, TX area and want to purchase a Handi-talkie.  Is it worth the
added expense to buy a dual-band unit?  Your thoughts would be greatly
appreciated.

--
molson@utd-dallas


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:12 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONES ON
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Distribution: world
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Subject: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONES ONE NUMBER!!!

>>Have you ever wondered about having two or more cellular phones
>>on one cellular number??  It is possible.     -MacGuyver.

Sure, it's possible. Also a violation of most Agreements between carrier
and customer. Also will AUTOMATICALLY get your telephone number TURNED
OFF AUTOMATICALLY by your phone company, 'cause when the pair are both
"ON" at the same time, the phone company software will shut you down,
fearing illegal access to your phone.

Go away with your posts, "MacGuyver." Unwelcome, bogus scam you're
running. And you have no knowledge of telecommunication law (or are
stupidly ignoring sauch).


Clint Bradford
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:12 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONES ON
Date: 14 Aug 1995 17:05:14 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Clint Bradford <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Subject: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONES ONE NUMBER!!!

>>>Have you ever wondered about having two or more cellular phones
>>>on one cellular number??  It is possible.     -MacGuyver.

>Sure, it's possible. Also a violation of most Agreements between carrier
>and customer. Also will AUTOMATICALLY get your telephone number TURNED
>OFF AUTOMATICALLY by your phone company,...

One of the local Phoenix cellular carriers is advertising two or more
cellular phones on the same number as an available feature.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONES ONE NUMBER!!!
Date: 13 Aug 1995 05:10:33 GMT
Organization: Pacific Bell
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In article <400l4u$[e-mail]>, Angus MacGuyver <[e-mail]> writes:
>       Have you ever wondered about having two or more cellular phones
> on one cellular number??  It is possible.  You can get special
> programming software, and hardware, from me, to do this yourself.  If you
> would rather not do the programming yourself, I can do it for you.  I can
>
>                                -MacGuyver.
>
This sure sounds an awful lot like what the police and media call
cloning cellular phones.  Better check with you service provider
before messing with this stuff.

Without giving anything away, I would say that calls coming from the
"same" phone in two different areas are an invitation to a visit from
law enforcement and cellular security folks.  It's a standard way
to detect fraud in progress.

(I speak for myself, not my employer here)

-John


--
John Minger  KE6DTC                        "Society is like a stew.  If you
Glendale, CA                            don't keep it stirred up, you get a
<[e-mail]>              lot of scum on top."  -Edward Abbey


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:14 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: (no subject)
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Distribution: world
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Subject: (no subject)

>>...repeaters in the 434Mhz range in the region near Gerlach NV area...

Contact the Control Operator of the repeater of 441.700+ [146.2] and see
what else is going on in that area! Was WA6MNM....
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:14 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: (no subject)
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: Re: (no subject)

>>OTOH I here Abbie Hoffman's _Steal_This_Book_....

Man, you're DATING yourself. . .wasn't that fron the early 70s?

>>what color is the new Repeater
>>directory?>

Almost maroon. Reddish with black splotches.
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: **NEW HAM SURVEY QUESTION STARTED ON 8/13/95**
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 17:36:32 +0100
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Yes a new question goes before the ham community on the internet:

"Should one way information bulletins, broadcast on the HF bands, be
banned by the FCC?"

This is a hot issue with many ramifications. As many of you already know,
this very proposal has been made to the FCC by Fred Maia. It is now part
of petition RM-8626. Hams now have the opportunity to express their
opinion on this pettition by casting their vote in the HAM POLL on the
World Wide Web:

                     URL http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html

--
Ray Sarrio Co.
http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J Barnett)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: A new Amateur Radio Club
Date: 13 Aug 1995 14:25:01 -0500
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        Hello,

        This is Beau Barnett, Vice-President of the Young Hams of America.  We are
looking for a few members.  We are directed towards amateur radio operators
under 21 years of age.  However, anyone is invited and encouraged to join.
If you would like some more information about who we are and what we do,
please email me at [e-mail]  .  I will get back with you as soon
as possible.  Thank you and see you on the air.


        Beau Barnett, Vice-President, YHA

        KT4BI


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clair Robinson)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,sci.lang,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Alpha Bravo phonetics: the quickie version
Followup-To: alt.usage.english,sci.lang,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Date: 11 Aug 1995 07:33:44 -0500
Organization: Loral Defense Systems - Eagan, Eagan, MN  USA
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Buster ([e-mail]) wrote:

: >            Phonetic Alphabets (Alpha Bravo etc)
: >                      (brief version)
: >
: > There is a widely known alphabet Alpha Bravo ... Yankee Zulu.
: > Such alphabets are variously known as phonetic alphabets,
: > radio alphabets, spelling alphabets and telephone alphabets.
: >
: > I have a collection of alphabets for many languages which
: > I post occasionally, but as that now amounts to many hundreds
: > of lines I here post a brief summary.
: >
: >                                Brian Kelk  [e-mail]
: >                                10 August 1995
: >
: >
: > That famous alphabet:
: >
: >    Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Echo Foxtrot Golf Hotel India
: >    Juliet Kilo Lima Mike November Oscar Papa Quebec Romeo
: >    Sierra Tango Uniform Victor Whiskey Xray Yankee Zulu





:       Notice there is no Kilowatt or Antenna in this list!  It's
: a pain when someone uses these homebrew phonetics.  When you hear
: alpha you think "A" (kinda like recognizing cw by sound of letters)
: , when someone uses something like "antenna", one has to stop, and
: think what is the first letter.  How about "kilowatt"?  Doesn't it
: sound like "KW".

:       If your going to use phonetics, please use the correct, and
: easily understood ones (see original).




:                       QSL?


I used to teach radio procedure in the military, so I know the standard
phonetic alphabet very well.  However, when I give my amateur callsign I almost
always use "Kilowatt" because it has been my experience that "Kilowatt Zero" is
more consistantly understood correctly than "Kilo Zero".  Thats the way it is.

73, Clair K0CJ




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:17 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cc.iu.net!news
From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur (jerks) Electron
Date: 12 Aug 1995 12:40:13 GMT
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In <50809130007$[e-mail]>, Ej Johnson <[e-mail]> writes:
>bucks off of their buyers How can a $10.00 12oz item cast $&.95 to ship?
>Impossible!
>                73 de N6OID

go to UPS and get the price list. go to a box place and price what boxes go
for (as well as bubble wrap or foam and foam-in-box stuff. add overhead.

let us know what your pricing of shipping comes out. don't forget to do FedEx
and the USPS while you're at it. (remember to figure in your time to box up
the item, the cost of mailing labels, etc....)

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Amateur (jerks) Electronic Supply
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 08:46:49 -0800
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Greg Law) wrote:

>In article <3vldok$[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail] says...
>>
>>I also know that Radio City is on the net,

  Actually so is Amateur Electronics Supply ([e-mail] and
http://execpc.com/~aesham) so they might be listening to this thread
(actually probably are they loged in Sat the 12th and Monday the 7).

 Although all I've done so far is to get price quotes, the web site isn't
worth much (yet)

Ralph

--
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e-mail to [e-mail] (read daily)
[e-mail] (last resort only)
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Pjay0)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Anyone have study aids for Novice exam?
Date: 11 Aug 1995 22:48:25 -0400
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
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If you have Tech or Novice study software files you would like to donate
or if you know of where I could find some I would appreciate the help.
I'm  getting up the nerve to finally take the exam and I'm not quite sure
which license I should shoot for - code or no code.  Anyone who has
experience taking both and would like to offer some advice to me is
greatly encouraged to email me at PJAY0 (that's a zero at the end)
@aol.com.



Doing inspires greatness,Teaching inspires doing........  Archimedes



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:19 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!mv!wd1v.mv.com!user
From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Re: Anyone have study aids for Novice exam?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <40h4pp$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Pjay0) wrote:

> If you have Tech or Novice study software files you would like to donate
> or if you know of where I could find some I would appreciate the help.
> I'm  getting up the nerve to finally take the exam and I'm not quite sure
> which license I should shoot for - code or no code.  Anyone who has
> experience taking both and would like to offer some advice to me is
> greatly encouraged to email me at PJAY0 (that's a zero at the end)
> @aol.com.
>
>
>
> Doing inspires greatness,Teaching inspires doing........  Archimedes
>

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:20 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!world!maclamb
From: [e-mail] (frank mackenzielamb)
Subject: ARRL www address?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 12:22:18 GMT
Lines: 7

Hello,

Assuming the ARRL has a www site, does any have the correct address for
it? if no site the e-mail and bbs number please?

Mny tnx 73 Frank  NG1I



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:21 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!not-for-mail
From: [e-mail] (richard l wilder k3di)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL www address?
Date: 12 Aug 1995 12:57:32 GMT
Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc., Ellicott City, MD USA
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frank mackenzielamb ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Assuming the ARRL has a www site, does any have the correct address for
: it? if no site the e-mail and bbs number please? Mny tnx 73 Frank  NG1I
:
I don't believe they have a WWW but you can get their EMail addresses
from automated reply.  Send to   [e-mail]       de K3DI




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: ARRL www address?
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frank mackenzielamb ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hello,

: Assuming the ARRL has a www site, does any have the correct address for
: it? if no site the e-mail and bbs number please?

I believe that it is http://acs.oakland.edu/barc/arrl.html
ARRL indeed does have a WWW site; I just can't get to my bookmarks
because I don't have my Web browser accessible from OS/2 yet.

Jim

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:22 1995
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (frank mackenzielamb) writes:
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>Hello,

>Assuming the ARRL has a www site, does any have the correct address for
>it? if no site the e-mail and bbs number please?

>Mny tnx 73 Frank  NG1I



The ARRL, doesn't have a WWW address, but it does have an FTP address -->
ftp://ftp.arrl.org, or if you're looking for a callsign book, the Univ of
Arkansas has a great query base right from the FCC.
http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html or telnet://callsign.ualr.edu

73s  Brian KC8ARM
http://www.cris.com/~Buck9166


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (frank
mackenzielamb) wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Assuming the ARRL has a www site, does any have the correct address for
>it? if no site the e-mail and bbs number please?
  I was just there, it's not much but here is it

http://arrl.org/

Ralph

--
Ralph Lindberg N7BSN
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[e-mail] (last resort only)
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Koert Koelman )
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The annual Amateur Radio Auction of the Palo Alto Amateur Radio
Association (PAARA), a non-profit organization, will be held in the
cafeteria of Ampex at 401 Broadway, Redwood City, CA on Saturday,
October 7, 1995.  Doors will open around 7:30 a.m.

Further details will be posted within one week.  However, mark this
date already on your calendars so that you will not miss this exciting
event.

                              73/Koert KC6WCI


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Abraham Stavsky)
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Anybody know what kind of autopatch facilities are availab;le
in Europe or Middle East?
--
A. Stavsky, P.O. Box 351222, Los Angeles, CA  90035-1222


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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AN>advantage for D
AN>Message-ID: <"11-Aug-95..9:22:50".*[e-mail]
AN>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
AN>Organization: ucsd usenet gateway

AN> In this thread I have heard both sides and I belive they are missing
AN>some IMPORTANT FACTORS or QUESTIONS:  Can a person who is blind read a
AN>computer
AN>screen better than they hear, and as fast???????    Can a deaf person hear t
AN>tones coming out of their radio better than he can read his computer screen,
AN>and as clear?????
AN>   It appears that there are benefits to both and depending on the
AN>perspective of the arguee it will only see that perepective.  I know that
AN>there
AN>only opinions of such arguee's but open the bandwidth a bit and try to
AN>encompass the WHOLE PICTURE, and not just your pixel!

AN>73's
AN>Tony N2TRV
AN>of course there my opinions, do you think any body would pay for this?   :>)

What language is it? Certainly not good English!
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Think "HONK" if you're telepathic.



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:26 1995
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Subject: Can 2M portables do this?
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JH>: > I need a couple portables (hand-helds) that can operate in the 151-154 M

JH>: region.
JH>: > This is a commercial band. The problem is that commercial radios seem to
JH>be
JH>: $400-600
JH>: > MORE than 2M units and they operate about the same frequency. I understa
JH>: >

JH>: As far as I know the TH28E of Kenwood is able to transmit also in the
JH>: required 154 MHz region. Inside the handheld transceiver one certain diode
JH>: must be removed for that. In case you like to receive more particulair
JH>: information, I am pleased to be sof any assistance.

JH>: Kind regards,

JH>: Stefan

JH>Nice try. The amateur radio equipment is NOT type accepted for use
JH>in the commercial bands. For use in the commercial bands, the radios
JH>MUST be type accepted. Guess your stuck with the higher priced spread

we all know of the legality issues surrounding modification of radios
for out of band transmit.  though, contrary to what some like to think,
there are more modified rigs out there than you'd believe.  i haven't
owned a single rig that wasn't modified.  i have commercial gear as
well, but it's always a handy thing to have around.

i must say that as far as the type acceptance laws go, however, you are
stuck with having to use commercial gear.  something you can do,
however, is instead of looking for brand new gear for your commercial
needs, try going to a few swap meets or asking a dealer if he has any
used gear to sell.  used from a flea market can be a little risky, but
you could end up spending half, if that, for the gear had it been new.

good luck
greg
kd6ven


JH>Jim, WA6SDM

JH>[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:26 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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[e-mail] writes:
>[e-mail] writes:

>>      I think that the real question should be:  "Do we as as a community
>> of licensed and law abiding radio amateurs want to see ex-felons granted
>> radio licenses?"
>> Bill Pasternak, WA6ITF
>> Newsline - On Line

>Well, yes, why not?  If they've served their time and been released from
>jail.  Let them try to be productive members of society?

Again, one wonder how `serving time' makes up for the violence and
scars the felon has inflicted upon his victims. Maybe conditions of
granting a license to the criminal should be left up the the victims.

Jeff NH6IL  (followups directed to .policy)


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Dixon)
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Subject: Re: CCR restrictions (was Re: Local Antenna Restrictions)
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I believe that these restrictions aften get applied more out of habit and
neglect than intention. I used to serve on a local zoning board, and we had to
approve or disapprove any new housing development in our area. One of the
things we looked at was the CCRs. To a great extent, these were often just
boilerplate that was very repetitive from one development to another, even
though they were from different developers. I suspect the developers just
use some standard CCRs they get from their own "Developers Association" or
whatever, and make a few additions of their own at the end.

The zoning board really had no grounds to force changes in the CCRs unless
they were in conflict with the zoning code or master plan or other applicable
regulations. So there was nothing I could do to get the antenna restrictions
taken out.

I believe the only way to prevent these antenna CCRs in the future is to
work with the "Developers Associations" at the national or state levels,
and convince them  to remove or modify them in their standard boilerplate.
Otherwise developers will just continue to take the course of least resistance
and use the typical CCR document and not even think much about its content.


                                        Bob W8ERD


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Finley)
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               So you want to learn (or teach) the code?

Most of what you've probably been told about learning Morse Code is
wrong. If someone were to try to devise the slowest, most painful and
most frustrating way of learning code, they'd have a hard time beating
the way hams have been told to do it. The 13- and 20-wpm tests don't
have to be a fear-inspiring barrier. The biggest problem is that most
people think the road to 13 and 20 wpm starts at 5 wpm. It doesn't.
Slow (5-wpm) code is a deadly trap to be avoided at all costs.

Fire up your Web browser and look at the article at URL:

http://hawk.nmt.edu/~bateman/sara/finley.morse.html

This article outlines the Morse training method covered in my article
in the May issue of Radio Fun and in a lecture entitled "Morse for
Morse-Haters," that I've been giving to ham groups in New Mexico.

If you're in the least interested in gaining code proficiency, or
helping someone else gain it, take a look at the article. Learn how to
bypass the frustrations and go straight to full HF privileges. This is
a free service; nothing is being sold.

Good luck and 73,

Dave Finley, N1IRZ


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:29 1995
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From: Stewart Thompson <[e-mail]>
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dan drumm <drumm> wrote:
>here is a general and specific question.  how do I cross reference
>transistors, chips, etc.  I do not want to call up parts stores, because
>I have so much salvage laying around the house, that I could build a
>hundred projects, and still not make a dent.
>
>I have a NTE cross ref. program, but that only gives me NTE #'s.
>
>Is there anything more general I could use?
>
>Specifically, this time I was looking for a substitute for a TIP-120
>I am sure it is a general purpose switching transistor, but it would
>have been nice to find some listed as a good cross.
>
>thanks for the ideas.

There are numerous cross reference guides. Try and get your hands on as many as you can. Other
common ones are ECG, GE, RCA, and even Radio Shack. I never throw these away, new numbers are
always being added or deleted. The way I figure out whether a part will work or not is by
crossing the number I want to say the NTE number. I look this up and find out what the
parameters are. (ie npn Ic Vbc etc.) Then I check my parts bin for likely suspects and cross
them also. Usually I can find an exact match. Sometimes you can find a functionally equivelant
part with a differnt pinout. If your stuck you can usully twist the leads around to work.
Obviously that won't work with an IC but its amazing what a little ingenuity can do. Generic
chips can often be swapped, but you have to watch the circuit in question. When it comes to
specailty chips your probably out of luck. With transistors, there are dozens of numbers which
have essentially the same characteristics. For instance a 2n2222, 2n4401, 2n3904 are common
npn transistors which are essentially the same. bear in mind that modern silicon transistors
are pretty stable. In a well designed circuit, just about any transistor that as adequate gain,
voltage and current ratings for the circuit should work just fine in 90 plus per cent of the
circuits you are likely to encounter. Well I hope this helps. Stu.....VE7BQy

                                                 [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
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In article <3vrcm1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (gregory brown) writes:
>Jerry B Altzman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>: Yes, he's happy, just as you're happy that there are Morse Code beepers and
>: Voice Box Squawkers with whom YOU can talk. What is the big deal? If Gary
>: doesn't want to talk with the morons on 14.313, will you take offense at
>: that?
>
>Well, "the morons on 14.313" wasn't quite what I meant by "the widest
>cross-section of hams".  I'm sorry if that's your interpretation.

Well, substitute your own selection of "morons" instead. :-)

(Note: I'm willing to converse with anyone having something interesting
to say, but you must admit that *is* a subset of HF amateurs. It takes
two to make a conversation, and try as you will, some can't be drawn out.
It's too often "UR 599 PSE QSL, QRZ" and that's it, or something else
equally inane.)

>: >I've enjoyed your recent posts, Gary.  They do a good job of giving
>: >people a peak at your fundamental mind-set and remind all of us that
>: >those _concerned_ with "superior technology" and "progress" advance the
>: >human condition, while those _obsessed_ with it sometimes have little
>: >regard for how it might impact people in the present.
>
>: Since when is the thrust of Amateur Radio to "improve the human condition"?
>
>Sorry, it just seems to me that "enhancing international goodwill" (a
>stated purpose of Amateur Radio) improves the human condition.  Silly
>me.

Silly you indeed. Many DX contacts and behaviors are, in my opinion,
detrimental to international goodwill. That's true regardless of
mode, but I have found that those on the digital modes often have
more to say than those using Morse. Now I believe that the nature
of the mode used has a good bit to do with that. Perhaps it is because
they have made the choice to use more than the most rudimentary mode
of information exchange that the information content is higher.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn C. Masters)
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Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
Date: 10 Aug 1995 14:46:08 GMT
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gregory brown ([e-mail]) wrote:
: What you are describing is Morse at 13 wpm and slower.  The effective
: difference between the average ham's typing speed and medium speed
: Morse (20-30 wpm) is negligible.  Morse proficient hams do indeed
: exchange thoughts and ideas quite well.  Morse is only "tedious" if
: the operator is not proficient...or if one is clunking along at 10 wpm.
: Your stereotypic description of Morse being of no use except for
: "simple stylized gaming contacts" shows an apparent ignorance of
: actual Morse operation...and it's about as valid as someone saying
: that all packet is good for is attracting crickets.

        Yes, but other peoples packets can fit in between the ones the sender
is sending  slowly.  This way packet can approach total usage of the channel.
Morse code requires that you wait until the sender is finished with his/her
transmission.

: Most of the words uttered on voice modes are superfluous.  The same
: thoughts and ideas can distilled down and sent efficiently with Morse
: (or digital modes).  Much of what you hear on voice is the result of
: people's brains not being able to keep up with their mouths.  Morse
: gives you time to think of things worth saying. :-)

        That's the same as voice mail not being as effecient as email.  You
have to compose and edit in real time with voice.  Other modes of communication
don't need as much bandwidth to convey the same idea, since we have time
correctly formulate the message.

        73,
                Shawn
                KE4GHS


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn C. Masters)
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Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
Date: 10 Aug 1995 18:00:31 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
: It's interesting that this freq always pops up with regard to Morse.
: As you very well know, if you so much as sneeze on HF you'll be heard
: hundreds if not thousands of miles away. Now think of all the sneezing
: occuring on V/UHF (147.435 MHz in L.A. comes to mind) which only the
: locals hear. If 14.313 is the only HF freq in which routine sneezing
: is occuring then we should count ourselves as blessed. Too bad the
: V/UHF operators can't brag as  such.

        That's funny, here in Northern Virginia we only have problems on our
repeaters when one extra class ham gets on the air.  Otherwise I haven't
heard anything but an occasional throat clearing:-).

        73,
                Shawn
                KE4GHS




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:32 1995
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Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
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From: [e-mail]

Gary pontificated thusly:

GC>It's too often "UR 599 PSE QSL, QRZ" and that's it, or something else
GC>equally inane.)

Ah yes, but remember Gary, if you are an E.M.E.'er or you are into
meteor scatter, that can be a breath-taking, thrilling experience!!

Different strokes for different strokes. Some non-hams think that
the whole hobby is entirely idiotic, whether we rag-chew, serve
in disasters or whatever!

BTW - anyone have a good text file about the public service dimensions
of amateur radio? I'd like to post it to a local nay-sayer here in the
area on a local BBS I call!
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Am I apathetic? I don't know & don't care!



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:34 1995
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Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
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In article <40d63g$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Shawn C. Masters) writes:
>       Yes, but other peoples packets can fit in between the ones the sender
>is sending  slowly.  This way packet can approach total usage of the channel.
>Morse code requires that you wait until the sender is finished with his/her
>transmission.

Well, the way packet is currently implemented on HF that's not totally
true. Current activity is for the most part pure Aloha, and that only
offers 18% utilization of channel capacity under contention. That may
be more capacity than pairs of Morse operators use, but it still isn't
that great. The TOR modes are more efficient on HF at this time at
utilizing the channel, but, like Morse, they can't share it seamlessly
with others. And, give the devil its due, Morse operators operating QSK
can *interrupt* each other's transmissions between characters while packet
and TOR modes have to wait until the end of a frame. Of course frames are
short for the TOR modes, 3 characters for AMTOR, so that's not a big deal.
It's a bigger deal for packet where frame lengths are typically around
40 characters plus frame overhead.

HF packet as it is currently done is an abomination. The entire system
needs to be re-thought and re-engineered. Everything from the very
poor modems to the bulky protocols need to be replaced. AX25 wasn't
designed for HF conditions, and the Bell 103 standard modems aren't
suited to the HF channel either. Don't try to point to current HF
packet practice as more efficiently utilizing the channel than Morse,
it probably doesn't. Some of the TOR-like modes certainly are better,
and packet *could* be better, but AX25 over Bell 103 isn't.

Clover has given us a clue as to what a good HF modem can do, and
more efficient packet protocols are possible, even the old Vancouver
protocol had less overhead. HF packet might best be served by a
token passing protocol, or not, that would take more extensive
analysis to determine. For sure CSMA as it's now implemented isn't
a good model for HF. Karn's demand access model looks much better
for example.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:34 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 13 Aug 1995 23:42:33 GMT
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In <40jkra$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Burt Fisher) writes:
>WHAT IS  C W

should read "Morse Code" instead of "C W".

>* It is a unique,intimate,concise and effective communications skill
>still employed throughout the world.

true.

>* It is the most efficient mode in terms of power required for long-
>distance communication ,least susecptible to interference,and
>conserving of the radio frequency spectrum.

false. there's been better for quite some time. like 50+ years or so?

>* It involves no accent or pronunciation problems,therefore providing
>a widely understood international language.

false. not a language.

>* It employs simpler,more reliable and easily maintained equipment
>than any other communications mode.

a code receiver is also an SSB receiver. it's easier to make an FM transmitter
than anything else (and being in the avionics biz where everything is AM bears
this out...8) ).

>* It is an equalizer,negating age,speech impediments and dialectical
>differences;it provides for ready acceptance of youngsters in an adult
>enviornment.

to a point, but you can usually tell the old hands form the young squirts.

>* It is the ONLY radio communications mode that is understood readily
>by both man and machine.

morse isn't all that great for machine decoding.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Theodore J. Bittner)
Subject: Dx-mailing list?
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Does anyone know if the dx-mailing list of Lyndon
Nerenberg, VE7TCP, is still active? I used to subscribe to the
list but have been off for about 6 months and when I tried to
resubscribe to the list @ [e-mail] , my mail is
returned 'user unknown' from unbc.
        I tried to connect to Lyndons home page on the web and
can't get a connect.
        Is the list still active or has the address changed?
Any info is most appreciated. Thanks & '73
                                Ted --KQ4MZ--
--
Ted Bittner   Charlottesville,Va                 University of Virginia
Internet: [e-mail]           Dept of Radiology
Amateur Radio: KQ4MZ                             804-924-9399


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:36 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Exam irregularities (was: Re: My wife's 1a exam)
Date: 12 Aug 1995 12:52:42 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>speaking of exams, i was wondering if anyone could explain to me why the
>VE's at my test were requiring a passing grade with no more than 5
>questions missed.  i took both elements required for the tech license,
>and anyone that missed more than 5 total from both exams was told they
>failed.

sounds like a note the VEC is in order.  you can miss 8 on the novice and
6 on the technician test. on the ARRL answer sheet, this is on the bottom of
the page.

we had a VE here that would get up while we're sorting out the paperwork to
get the session setup and start into "instructions" that had to be corrected.
we learned to make sure he had lots to do so we'd not be embarrased by having
the candidates come back with the right answers and he'd start arguing with
them. and he really really really wanted to help in the worst way - too bad
he seemed to be able to only help in the worst way.

not that you can't have brain fade even with the best people...but it doesn't
make for a good session to have such an event occur...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (GHG3)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: For Sale: "Allied's Radio Data Handbook" (1947)
Date: 13 Aug 1995 22:54:49 -0400
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For Sale: "Allied's Radio Data Handbook" (1947)

"Allied's Radio Data Handbook"

A Compilation of Formulas and Data Most Commonly Used in
the Field of Radio and Electronics.

Written and Compiled By The Publications Division Allied Radio Corporation
Under the Direction of Eugene Carrington
Edited by Nelson M. Cooke, Lt. Commander, US Navy
Illustrated
Published by, Allied Radio Corpration, Chicago, IL, USA
Condition: Excellent
Softcover, 48 pages
12th Printing; May,1947
$18.00 ppd

Please contact me if you are interested in this booklet, or have any
questions.

Anyone who may be offended by this sales post, please contact me
and accept my apology.

George Gifford
ANCESTRY CONNECTION
36 Alton Avenue
Cumberland, RI  02864
[e-mail] (preferred)
[e-mail] (alternate)


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (GHG3)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: For Sale: "Operating an Amateur Radio Station" (1966)
Date: 13 Aug 1995 22:54:07 -0400
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For Sale: "Operating an Amateur Radio Station" (1966)

"Operating an Amateur Radio Station"

Including Information on Emergency Communications and
A.R.R.L. Field Organization.

Copyright 1966 by the American Radio Relay League

Softcover, 19 pages

$9.00 ppd

Please contact me if you are interested in this booklet, or have any
questions.

Anyone who may be offended by this sales post, please contact me
and accept my apology.

George Gifford
ANCESTRY CONNECTION
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Cumberland, RI  02864
[e-mail] (preferred)
[e-mail] (alternate)


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Beckers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Geoclock
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 20:53:00 GMT
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 [e-mail] (Charles J. Mishmash) said:

CJ > In article <3kdpam$[e-mail]>,
CJ > [e-mail] says...
CJ > >
CJ > >Can someone direct me to a/the source for the computer program
CJ > >Geoclock which shows a series of maps with the current time displayed
CJ > >in various cities, both USA and in other parts of the world?
CJ > >
CJ > The program that you seek is a shareware product that can be found as
CJ > file GEOCLK51.ZIP (303k) at the following FTP SITE:
CJ >
CJ >  OAK.OAKLAND.EDU/PUB/HAMRADIO/ARRL/BBS/PROGRAMS

     A more current version, GEOCLK61.ZIP, can be found at
garbo.uwasa.fi in /pc/ham.

     =Mike=
---
 * JABBER v1.1 * If it exists, it's obsolete.


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ground rods: why 8 feet?
Date: 12 Aug 1995 01:26:31 GMT
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John Chapman ([e-mail]) wrote:

:    It's the length or standard pickup bed. Handy size to haul for electricans.

:  Most items for construction come in 4, 6, 8 etc

: John, N0KICV



   Yes but will a 2 foot rod do the job as well as an 8 foot?
Do you NEED to use an 8 foot rod? I think this is what she was getting at.

Tom



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Ground rods: why 8 feet?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Lowman) writes:
>My wife is head of the geology/earth science department at a local community
>college, and is studying for her no-code tech.  She asked me why there
>seems to be a magic length of eight feet for a ground rod.  I was unable to
>come up with an answer, and we didn't find one in the ARRL 1995 Handbook.

There's nothing "magic" about 8 feet. The NEC requires that an effective
Earth terminal have a resistance of less than 25 ohms. Often, an 8 foot
rod can give you that in typical soils. (Often it *can't* also, which is
why multiple paralleled rods are often specified, or something offering
better soil grain contact, like the Ufer ground, is preferred.)

Eight feet gets you down well below the frost line in most of the US. Frozen
soil has very poor conductivity, so short rods won't have much effective
contact area in winter. Very long rods don't buy you much either because
the induced mirror charge under a thundercloud is shallow. The soil at depth
won't have access to that charge to couple with that deep part of the rod,
and the currents would have to flow back up through the resistive Earth to
neutralize the charges. Since that path is shorted by the rod itself, the
value of that portion of the rod is moot.

Eight feet happens to be a reasonable compromise length that's easy to
handle and ship, so it has become a "standard" in the electrical industry.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ground rods: why 8 feet?
Date: 13 Aug 1995 19:48:30 GMT
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Jim Lowman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: My wife is head of the geology/earth science department at a local community
: college, and is studying for her no-code tech.  She asked me why there
: seems to be a magic length of eight feet for a ground rod.  I was unable to
: come up with an answer, and we didn't find one in the ARRL 1995 Handbook.
:
: Being a geologist, she is curious about this.  Can anyone help?

I got tired of listening to all the incorrect answers here and just went
and asked an electrician and also an electrical instructor for Chrysler.

Many years ago most people were using ground rods about 4 ft long, but during
the summer months (in the US at least, June, July, August) the ground would
start to dry up and there wouldn't be a good ground. It was found through
many years of experience that 8 ft will give you a sufficient ground. In
some areas where you can't put a ground rod 8 ft into the ground, you need
to dig a hole and put a metal plate into the ground that the ground rod
attaches to (anyone who was in the military and has driven ground rods
in might have used a metal plate or at least had one with them just in
case they needed it).  BTW, this discovery of 8 ft was actually done long
before there was such as thing as an automobile, so you can rule out the
pickup truck story.  Also it has nothing to do with RF since RF and
electrical grounds are completely different. You can capacitive couple an
RF ground (a ground that is not even physically tied to the ground itself),
but you can't capacitive couple an electrical ground, you need to physically
tie it to the ground somehow.

You might want to look at the electical codes first and also some of the
history of it, it will probably answer your question. Also I was told that
according to code that the tip of the ground rod needs to be 10 ft below
the surface.  Typically you'll find a ground rod installed in a hole a
couple feet deep or in a low spot that essentially makes an 8 ft ground
rod tip actually 10 ft or more below the surrounding surface.

Since I asked him he was going to get me the current code information on
grounding and also about lightning protection (he installs lightning
protection on building in the Detroit, MI area and is our local source
on information for protecting amateur systems from lightning strikes).
I may have more precise info in the future on it.

Ron



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Subject: Re: Ground rods: why 8 feet?
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 11:48:23
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>If you want to ace the test, just disengage the brain and quote what the
>pool says is correct.
>

That is right Tony.
There was a question on my Novice exam that I am still made about.
" What is the element length of a 5/8 wave 220 antenna?"
THEIR answer is 29.5 inches, with the explanation that a loading coil is
always added.  Bull shit, THAT was not the question.


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:42 1995
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  Sometimes... I use my cordless telephone to operate
my 2 meter transceiver. Very handy for when I need to
be in front of my computer (50' away in another room)
or when nature calls in the middle of a QSO!
   I designed the circuit about a year ago....and never
went any further with it. The guys on my favorite repeater
tell me it sounds great. (In fact they can't even tell when I'm
using it.)
  They call it the "Tether"., and they think I'm nuts for not
marketing it.  Maybe they're right.
  Is anybody interested?     Gene  K2LYU ([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:42 1995
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Subject: Re: Ham Rig "Tether"
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 95 19:08:10 -0500
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<[e-mail]> writes:

>  Sometimes... I use my cordless telephone to operate
>my 2 meter transceiver. Very handy for when I need to
>be in front of my computer (50' away in another room)
>or when nature calls in the middle of a QSO!
>   I designed the circuit about a year ago....and never
>went any further with it. The guys on my favorite repeater
>tell me it sounds great. (In fact they can't even tell when I'm
>using it.)
>  They call it the "Tether"., and they think I'm nuts for not
>marketing it.  Maybe they're right.

how do you key and un key the radio?



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:43 1995
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[e-mail] wrote:

:>how do you key and un key the radio?

Probably VOX...right?

73 de
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|Lowell, Massachusetts         |       even for myself!      |
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:43 1995
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From: Brian Gilhuly VE3BGB <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Ham stores in Tampa area?
Date: 12 Aug 1995 16:35:22 GMT
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I have a meeting in Tampa later this week and was wondering if there were any ham
stores in the area. Didn't find anything by skimming the QST ads, so I'm turning
to the net. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Brian

--
  Brian Gilhuly VE3BGB         Author of KENTROL, the ultimate in
                               rig control/logging/memory mgmt software
  [e-mail]    for Kenwood HF rigs and MS Windows
  CompuServe: 73257,3131
  Tel/fax: [phone]      Kentrol Web Page:
                               http://www.synapse.net/~kentrol/
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
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Subject: Re: Ham stores in Tampa area?
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In article <40il8a$[e-mail]>,
Brian Gilhuly VE3BGB  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have a meeting in Tampa later this week and was wondering if there were any ham
>stores in the area. Didn't find anything by skimming the QST ads, so I'm turning
>to the net. Any suggestions?

There is an AES in Clearwater, about 1/2 hour away from Tampa.

>Brian

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dr. Siegfried Sprainys)
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Subject: Help 9600 Baud with Alinco DR-510
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Hi there from Germany !

Can anyone give me some info if my good old faithfull Alinco DR-510 duobander
can with used with 9600 Baud packet ???
The local Alinco rep said : it┤s not possible, bye a new one  !

Best 73┤s de Siggy, DJ4SS


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Nick Sadowy)
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        I am trying to get in touch with a Ham operator (KB6LNJ).  I personnaly
don't have a radio, and I was unable to find a phone number for him.  If anyone
knows how I can contact him, please let me know via email.  Thank you in
advance.

Nick Sadowy
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:45 1995
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From: Tony DiCenzo <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How does one join RSGB?
Date: 14 Aug 1995 20:47:52 GMT
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Many foreign amateurs join the ARRL. How does a foreigner (eg an
American) join the Radio Society of Great Brittain or other foreign radio
societies?

73,

KX1G Tony



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Halverson)
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Subject: Re: How to UnZip *.zip
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>You could get the unzip and zip programs from the Info-ZIP group.
>They are somewhat slower than pkzip and pkunzip, but they are free,
>while pkzip and pkunzip are not.
>
>Unzip and zip are available for anonymous FTP from oak.oakland.edu
>in the /SimTel/msdos/zip directory (I think).
>
>73,
>Bob K2PH
>
Pkzip/Pkunzip are shareware which equates to almost free :-)

--

Dave Halverson                          [e-mail]
Wanganui, New Zealand                   Amateur - ZL3TGQ




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Halverson)
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>You could get the unzip and zip programs from the Info-ZIP group.
>They are somewhat slower than pkzip and pkunzip, but they are free,
>while pkzip and pkunzip are not.
>
>73,
>Bob K2PH
>

There are shareware versions of PKZip/PKUnZip that only cost you $25.00 to
register, that's almost free :-)


--

Dave Halverson                          [e-mail]
Wanganui, New Zealand                   Amateur - ZL3TGQ




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:47 1995
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From: Andy Brant <[e-mail]>
Subject: Icom IC-24AT help
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Hi all,
   I just got a used dual band HT (Icom IC-24AT).  It
works ok but seems to have poor sensitivity.  Can anyone
tell me if the service manual would cover procedures
for correcting this problem and what type of test equipment
is needed?  Is Icom the only place that has service manuals?

Thanks in advance,
Andy  <[e-mail]>


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Clemens)
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Subject: Re: Info-Hams Digest V95 #692
Date: 13 Aug 95 14:12:30 GMT
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At 4:30 AM 8/13/95, Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup wrote:

 * I believe that it is http://acs.oakland.edu/barc/arrl.html
and
 * The ARRL, doesn't have a WWW address


Well the first reply was almost right...it is:

http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc/arrl.html

And BTW when your looking for this type of stuff on the web, just use one
of the many search tools.  I like http://webcrawler.com/ the best but there
are several.  Using the term ARRL with webcrawler I found the URL of the
ARRL with ease.

Enjoy!


--
Richard Clemens, KB8AOB                West Virginia Wesleyan College
[e-mail]             Buckhannon, WV 26201 [phone]
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:49 1995
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From: n9ssg@198.147.221.34 (David Allen Yanke)
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Subject: RE: Info-Hams Digest V95 #692
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---------------Original Message---------------

>>>      I think that the real question should be:  "Do we as  a community
>>> of licensed and law abiding radio amateurs want to see ex-felons granted
>>> radio licenses?"
>>> Bill Pasternak, WA6ITF
>>> Newsline - On Line

>>Well, yes, why not?  If they've served their time and been released from
>>jail.  Let them try to be productive members of society?

>Again, one wonder how `serving time' makes up for the violence and
>scars the felon has inflicted upon his victims. Maybe conditions of
>granting a license to the criminal should be left up the  victims.

>Jeff NH6IL

        First, you assume the crime is of a violent nature. Secondly, you suggest that since
a crime was committed in the past that a person becomes worthless for any future activities.
You make it sound like anyone who commits a felony should suffer the death sentence.

        A 17 year old who takes the neighbors car for a joy ride and gets caught has just
committed a felony. We need to execute this individual on the spot. Such misjudgment by a
youth must not be tolerated.

        Let's get this in perspective people. It's a hobby. It has it's good and not so good
people involved with it. If a _CURRENT_ convict can get privileges and access to radio
equipment, let them at it. It's a ;lot better then some of the other activities I can think
of.

-------------------------------------
Name: David Allen Yanke
E-mail: [e-mail]
Date: 08/13/95
Time: 11:39:13

-------------------------------------




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Herb Rosenberg)
Subject: Information on Long Delay Echoes?
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Back in the 1960's, I remember reading a few articles about an unusual HF
propagation phenonenon called Long Delay Echoes.  This was widely
reported and involved hams hearing there own signals echoing back on HF
frequencies with about a 2-3 second delay.  There was all kinds of
speculation about this.

I am wondering if anyone out there is familiar with Lond Delay echoes, as
I would be interested in hearing / learning more about this.

Any comments or observations would be apprecaited.

Thanks and 73's/

Herb - KG6OK [e-mail] KG6OK@W6KRW (packet)

--
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Installing a Ground Rod
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 10:11:46 GMT
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In article  [e-mail] writes:
>[e-mail] (Benton StJ Bonney) writes:
>>
>>_Properly_ is the key.  I wouldn't want to pump a gazillion amps into the
>>rebar net and, possibly, up into the steel structure of a building.  I
>>have put up metal buildings with the structure and rebar electrically tied
>>together, but it all terminated into a healthy counterpose.
>
>I once helped our general contractor/neighbor build a house (1970). Prior
>to the cement foundation being poured we tied all the rebar together
>using galvanized bailing wire. I hope you're not refering to that as
>being ``electrically tied together''. The rebar has a layer of oxidation
>on it that certainly will *not* offer a low resistance path.

Depends on what you mean by low resistance, compared to a rod stuck
in dirt, those connections are very low resistance. Consider lightning
as an 8,000 amp constant current source with a forcing voltage in the
millions. Now a little corrosion hardly matters does it? The highest
resistance in the circuit is always the interface between soil grains
and the Earth terminal.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jani 'Dii' Kanala)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: IOTA information wanted, anyone?
Date: 13 Aug 1995 06:22:36 GMT
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  I am planning to start the IOTA working but this far I haven't found
any documentation about IOTA working/rules etc.  Could someone please
help me find maybe a book about IOTA.  Or any publications about IOTA.
Has there been any articles about IOTA on QSTs or CQs?  Thanks in
advance!

73s...OH6LJN

--

regards,
  Jani



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Regional Warning Centre)
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Subject: IPS Daily Report - 11 August 95
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 11/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 11 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 12 AUGUST - 14 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  73/9

GOES satellite data for 10 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   2.0E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 1.9E+08 (moderate)
       X-ray background: A2.7
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             12 Aug             13 Aug             14 Aug
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 12 Aug:  72/8

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 10 Aug
    Learmonth        8  3232 2122
    Fredericksburg  10                          15
    Planetary       12                          18

Observed Kp for 10 Aug: 4444 2223
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
12 Aug    12    Quiet to unsettled
13 Aug    16    Quiet to unsettled, with isolated active conditions.
14 Aug    14    Mostly unsettled, with isolated active conditions.

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
11 Aug      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
12 Aug      normal         normal         normal
13 Aug      normal         normal         normal
14 Aug      normal         normal         fair

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
11 Aug    25    Near predicted monthly values, with regular spread F
observed during local night.

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
12 Aug    25    Near predicted monthly values, with spread F during
local night.
13 Aug    25    Near predicted monthly values
14 Aug    25    Near predicted monthly values

COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with spread F
observed 13-14UT.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with blanketing sporadic
E conditions at 06 and 17UT.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with blanketing sporadic
E observed at 17UT.

--
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PO Box 5606                       | WWW: http://www.ips.gov.au/rwc/
West Chatswood NSW 2057 AUSTRALIA | FTP: ftp://ftp.ips.gov.au/users/rwc/
tel: [phone]                | fax: [phone]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:53 1995
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Subject: IPS Daily Report - 12 August 95
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 12/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 12 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 13 AUGUST - 15 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  72/8

GOES satellite data for 11 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   1.3E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 3.1E+08 (moderate)
       X-ray background: A2.5
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             13 Aug             14 Aug             15 Aug
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 13 Aug:  72/8

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 11 Aug
    Learmonth        8  2223 2123
    Fredericksburg   9                          10
    Planetary       10                           9

Observed Kp for 11 Aug: 2232 3222
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
13 Aug    16    Quiet to unsettled, with possible isolated active
periods.
14 Aug    10    Quiet to unsettled, with possible isolated active
periods.
15 Aug    10    Quiet to unsettled

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
12 Aug      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
13 Aug      normal         normal         normal
14 Aug      normal         normal         fair
15 Aug      normal         normal         fair

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
12 Aug    27    Near predicted monthly values, with regular spread F
during local night.

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
13 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values, with spread F during
local night.
14 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values
15 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values

COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: slightly depressed, with blanketing sporadic E
observed 04-06 & 21UT.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with blanketing sporadic
E conditions at 20UT.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with some spread F
observed.

--
IPS Radio and Space Services      | email: [e-mail]
PO Box 5606                       | WWW: http://www.ips.gov.au/rwc/
West Chatswood NSW 2057 AUSTRALIA | FTP: ftp://ftp.ips.gov.au/users/rwc/
tel: [phone]                | fax: [phone]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:54 1995
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Subject: IPS Daily Report - 13 August 95
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Date: 13 Aug 1995 23:10:33 -0000
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 13/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 13 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 14 AUGUST - 16 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  71/6

GOES satellite data for 12 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   1.3E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 3.7E+08 (moderate)
       X-ray background: A2.7
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             14 Aug             15 Aug             16 Aug
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 14 Aug:  71/6

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 12 Aug
    Learmonth        9  3222 2322
    Fredericksburg  14                          11
    Planetary       12                           9

Observed Kp for 12 Aug: 3213 3223
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
14 Aug    12    Quiet to unsettled, with possible isolated active
periods.
15 Aug    10    Quiet to unsettled
16 Aug    15    Quiet to unsettled

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
13 Aug      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
14 Aug      normal         normal         normal
15 Aug      normal         normal         normal
16 Aug      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
13 Aug    27    Near predicted monthly values, with blanketing
sporadic E observed at 05UT and regular spread F observed during
local night.

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
14 Aug    25    Near predicted monthly values, with spread F during
local night.
15 Aug    25    Near predicted monthly values
16 Aug    25    Near predicted monthly values

COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: slightly depressed, with blanketing sporadic E
observed at 19UT.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with blanketing sporadic
E observed 14-16UT.

--
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PO Box 5606                       | WWW: http://www.ips.gov.au/rwc/
West Chatswood NSW 2057 AUSTRALIA | FTP: ftp://ftp.ips.gov.au/users/rwc/
tel: [phone]                | fax: [phone]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (M Lang)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Is US ham license in Canada valid?
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 12:23:27 +0000
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Hi, I'm wondering if I can use my ham radios while I visit
Canada? Is the US ham license recognized in Canada? I'm
not talking about communicating with Canadian hams but
rather using ham radio equipments between our groups while
we visit there.

Thanks for any info.

 - Minh -


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:55 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kenwood Service Stinks
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Date: Sun, 13 Aug 95 12:16:00 -0500
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Subject: Kenwood Service Stinks

>>Kenwood service absolutely stinks.  I dare you to call them up and
>>get a timely HUMAN voice and a RETURN OF A PHONE CALL WITHIN THREE
>>DAYS for a technical question.

Sorry to hear this. I, too, could NOT get a human being on the telephone
to talk to out here on the West Coast. And their BBS didn't have Fact
Sheets on their equipment.

So...I called the Eastern U.S. Office. A VERY polite woman answered. Was
going to patch me to the General Manager, but "He's up on the roof
adjusting an antenna."

"Yeah, sure," I thought to myself, as I left my name and telephone
number for a callback.

Twenty-five minutes later, the phone rings. It's the Gen Manager -
APOLOGIZING to me for not being able to take the call. All my equipment
questions were answered, and he even followed up with a letter via Email
on Compuserve to me, as well as a mailing of literature.

I did advise him how HORRIBLE the West Coast's voicemail system was -
and he had heard it before. If I EVER need any product information from
Kenwood, I know where to call.



Clint Bradford
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:56 1995
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From: "James A. Storm" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Kenwood Service Stinks (looks good to me)
Date: 12 Aug 1995 02:22:45 GMT
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Hi Marc,

I don't think one can expect "instant" response from any service
facility. I know you certainly don't get it with commercial gear. I guess
I'll just knock on wood and hope I never have to find out about Kenwood
service. My HF Kenwood's been chugging along for 14 or 15 years. It's
great to get good service, but even better to never need it...

                      73, Jim WB6LWS in Pacifica, CA




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:57 1995
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Subject: licenses in USA
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I'm now confused.  I thought the Tech Plus meant you'd passed the code and had
full priviledges and that just the technician was now the "nocode" equivalent.

B.A. Merrill, KC6ING (tech with code)


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:57 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: licenses in USA
Date: 12 Aug 1995 21:50:12 GMT
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In <40g0v2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>I'm now confused.  I thought the Tech Plus meant you'd passed the code and had

yes. tech plus a tech (no code required) that has passed any code test.
techs have full privileges from 30 MHz and up - including the 2 code only
segments.

>full priviledges and that just the technician was now the "nocode" equivalent.

a tech plus is not anywhere near "full priviledges"...just tech plus novice privs
on the HF bands...

>B.A. Merrill, KC6ING (tech with code)

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:58 1995
From: [e-mail] (Beno M Bequette Jr)
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 BK> Subject: Looking for historical radio messages


 BK> I am looking for the text of some historical radio messages that were
 BK> sent in the WWII era.

 BK> A good frine of mine, and a fine Amateur Radio operator, who was the
 BK> operator in Burma, running his beloved BC-191 out in the jungles at
 BK> the edge of a remote P-51 fighter base (I even have a pic of him in
 BK> the tent manning the beast) received the plain text message of the
 BK> demise of President Roosevelt.  Does anyone by a long stretch of the
 BK> imagination have a copy of that anywhere?  This opr copied it fresh
 BK> for the CO and then trashed the original as-received copy.  It would
 BK> be neat to pass this along to him after 50 years.

 BK> Also, does anyone have a copy of the final capitulation of Japan
 BK> message sent at the close of the war?

 BK> Also, does anyone have copy of the declaration of war message sent
 BK> over the same circuits in 1941?  Strangely, I can't seem to find a
 BK> copy of these in any of the history books of the military govdocs.
 BK> They would have been sent to everyone of any importance, and should
 BK> have been preserved, somewhere.

 BK> I would like to find the text, as close to the original as-sent
 BK> messages as possible, to preserve a little history as it was actually
 BK> sent via Morse code (computer generated background music for displays
 BK> at a local museum and at amateur radio functions).

 BK> Thanks Robert D. Keys [e-mail]

 BK> --
 BK> ---  * Origin: Stingray Mail System (stingray.net) (1:2805/8.0)

In a message dated 08-09-95 at, BENO M BEQUETTE JR wrote to BOB KEYS :

Check with the US ARMY Signal Corps. Propably the best place to check is the
Signal Corps Museum or with the Signal Cops school at Ft. Huachua, AZ.
Another option is to check with PAO/PIO  office at the the Pentagon or your
local military base.
If i read your e-mail address correctly, you are in North Carolina. Try Ft.
Brag or Camp Lejeune N.C.
Good Luck and Good Hunting,
Beno
 -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Eval:02Jul95
Origin: Alice strikes back @

 * Origin: Beyond Tomorrow - Moberly, MO USA - [phone] (1:2805/2)


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Mosterd)
Subject: Looking for Standard-suppliers in Germany
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Hi,

I am about to go to Germany and I wonder if there are any
Standard-suppliers or stores that sell Standard equipment.

Could you give me some addresses that are worth going to.

Thanks in advance !

73 de Patrick



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:13:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Watts)
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Subject: Re: Looking for Standard-suppliers in Germany
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Hi,
>
>I am about to go to Germany and I wonder if there are any
>Standard-suppliers or stores that sell Standard equipment.
>Could you give me some addresses that are worth going to.

Do what I did:  Go into the magazine/newspaper stand and buy copies
of 'FUNK Amateur' and 'Beam' (the only ones I found, there may be others!).
I guarantee there'll be a shop within a train ride or two.

Try also to enjoy the scenery ;-),
Galen, KF0YJ


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:00 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Losers
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Tracy, posting from Bert's account, wrote:
>From:         Warren T Reese <[e-mail]>
>Its true that examples can be cited where Amateur Radio is of great
>publice
>service, but these are very few & very far between.
>..Sorry,
>Tracy WB6TMY

Only when disasters are far and few between. Each round of hurricanes
that hits the Southeast or Hawaii will produce plenty of examples.
Each tornado spotted by ham-spotters working with the NWS produces
an example. Every autopatch call reporting an accident produces an example
(and one wonders how many of these are done each and every day?). Each
round of springtime floods will produce examples. Each major wildland
fire in California will produce an example.

That you don't search for these examples doesn't mean they don't exist.

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Subject: Re: Losers
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[e-mail] wrote:

:>Tracy, posting from Bert's account, wrote:
:>>From:         Warren T Reese <[e-mail]>
:>>Its true that examples can be cited where Amateur Radio is of great
:>>publice
:>>service, but these are very few & very far between.
:>>..Sorry,
:>>Tracy WB6TMY

:>Only when disasters are far and few between. Each round of hurricanes
:>that hits the Southeast or Hawaii will produce plenty of examples.
:>Each tornado spotted by ham-spotters working with the NWS produces
:>an example. Every autopatch call reporting an accident produces an example
:>(and one wonders how many of these are done each and every day?). Each
:>round of springtime floods will produce examples. Each major wildland
:>fire in California will produce an example.

:>That you don't search for these examples doesn't mean they don't exist.

Jeff I think you hit the nail on the head.

To others:

Actually depends on where you live.  I lived in Biloxi, Mississippi
where I first obtained my license...KA5MWD...and SKYWARN was always
being activated.  ARES was pretty big there too and having been the
president of the Keesler AFB ARC (K5TYP) for two and a half years
('82-'85) and along with the MS SEC being located next door in
Gulfport you can bet "we" saw a lot of activity...especially the
winter of '82-'83.  Great tropo during those storms...

We saw a hurricane (Elena, Sept. 1985) or two (Gloria's remnants, '85
[up here in Mass.]) some tropical storms (Chris, 198?..I forget...82,
83, or 84).  We (not just me) saw the Pearl River overflow into
Slidell, Louisiana in 1983 and went there to help out St. Taminy
Parish officials with communications as well as sandbagging (not the
type of sandbagging where you pull trump at the last minute either);-)
Spotted many a waterspout, funnel cloud, wall cloud, and several
tornados back then too.

From 1985 to 1989 while stationed at Pease Air Force Base, New Hamster
we saw quite a bit of public service activity.  Just ask folks like
WB1HBB [Currently ARRL New England Div. Vice-Director), WA1PEL,
WA1WOK, KB1LW (me at the time), K1ACL, W1YFZ (SK), WA1ZCQ, KA1OU,
N1FVL...and a host of others.  We kept fairly busy.

I was in New Mexico from 1990 to 1993 and our ARES team was pretty big
with the state of New Mexico SAR.  There were always search and rescue
missions going on.  It was pretty easy to get lost on a hunting
expedition in the desert.  Miles and miles of nowhere.  And, very,
very common in the mountains.  We've even responded to aircraft crash
sites...and unfortunately a couple with no survivors.

Not to mention the many T-shirts I have hanging in my closet from
participating with communications in marathons, walk-a-thons, Special
Olympics, auto races...just to mention a few.

The T-shirts were not renumeration either but for identification at
the events...hi hi.

No one can tell me that incidences where amateur radio is of a great
public service are very few and very far between.  I have personally
participated in many, many, many amateur radio related public service
events.  Maybe not that many in the past two years [because there is
an over-abundance of hams here in New England {my opinion}]...but I've
had my share around the country.  And, at any given moment there is
always something going on somewhere in this country...with amateur
radio operators providing valuable public service communications.

Garone-teed!

Oh yeah...and what about the VE teams?  Are they not doing publice
service?  Uh...yeah...but very few and very far between?!?   uhhh huh!

Cheers!

73 de
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (JGRIB)
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Subject: Manual for Astro-150
Date: 13 Aug 1995 07:52:52 -0400
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Hi,

A buddy of mine needs a manual or at least a schematic for a Cubic Astro
150. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Joe KI3B


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:03 1995
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Subject: Manual for Astro-150
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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From: [e-mail]

(or if it bounces try E-mailing me at:
[e-mail]

JG>A buddy of mine needs a manual or at least a schematic for a Cubic Astro
JG>150. Any help would be appreciated.

Joe, try these:

MANUALS:                      List by AF4K
########

Eico Electronic Instruments Co., Inc.
363 Merrick Rd
Lynbrook NY 11563
Note: No current kits, EICO manuals and schematics only


Alton H. Bowman               No phone number given
4172 East Avenue              radio, TV, amateur, misc.
Canandaigua, NY 14424-9564    Schematics & info 1920 - 1970


Charles Larus, K4CAD
5421 Tuckahoe Lane
Richmond, VA 23226            Heathkit & other manuals, copies.


Brock Publications            [phone]
P.O. Box 5004
Oceanside, CA 92052           Swan, Cubic, Siltronix, Atlas manuals


K9FG Vintage Manuals          [phone]
Address needed


Manuals Plus                 [phone]
P.O. Box 937                 [phone] (fax)
Spanaway, WA  98387-0937     Test equipment manuals, no catalog
Office Hours: 8:30 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. Pacific Time, M-F


Pete Markavage                [phone]
27 Walling Street             Send two 29c stamps for a catalog.
Sayreville, NJ 08872          3,000 amateur & related manuals.
manuals


W7FG Vintage Manuals          [phone]
3300 Wayside Drive
Bartlesville, OK 74006        SASE for catalog or call.


The Manual Man                [phone]
Pete Markavage
27 Walling Street
Sayreville, NJ 08872


Hi-Manuals                    No phone number given
Box 802
Council Bluffs, IA 51502      Catalog $2.00

Jay Stanfield
3212 Rita Lane
Fort Worth, Tx 76117          Jay has a lot of Heathkits and manuals

Deane E. Kidd, W7TYR          [phone]
27270 SW Ladd Hill Road,
Sherwood, OR 97140.


East Coast Transistor Parts, Inc. [phone]
2 Marlborough Road,
West Hempstead, N.Y. 11552


Miles Gillie                  [phone]
Address needed
c/o Internet address: [e-mail]
Or via Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Manuals for Sw radios, commercial 2-way etc. $15.00 each


AG Tannenbaum Co.,            [phone]
POB 110,
East Rockaway, NY  11518      Manuals

###########################################################################
If you have additions, send them to me and I'll gladly add them to this
list. Most of these companies will gladly send you a catalogue if you call
or write requesting one. Also, if you find that one or two of these
companies are out of business, PLEASE drop me a message & let me know
about it so I can delete them!

This list was prepared by AF4K, Brian Carling 21 June, 1995
Please send additional sources for inclusion in this list.

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Microwave "guru", Kent Britain, WA5VJB on show! - hr&m.txt [01/01]
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Kent Britain, WA5VJB, will be the special guest this sunday, 8/20/95, on the
nationally syndicated Ham Radio & More Show. Kent will explain how to get on
the microwave band for little money, how to turn radar detectors into
transceivers, that microwave communications are more than "line of sight", and
a little about 10ghz moonbounce. Be sure to tune into this exciting show at
6:00pm ET (2200utc).
NEW AS OF 8-11-95
Ham Radio & More Station List:
The following list can change often....

Arkansas:   KNWA, 1600am, Bellefonte
            KELD, 1400am, Eldorado
Arizona:    KFNN, 1510am, Phoenix
            KVRD, 1600am, Prescott
            KVNA,  600am, Flagstaff
California: KNSN, 1290am, Chico
            KCNO, 570am,  Alturas
Connecticut:WATR, 1320am, Hartford
Florida:    WFFG, 1300am, Miami/Florida Keys
            WIPC, 1280am, Tampa/St. Pete
Georgia:    WGIG, 1440am, Brunswick
Illinois:   WKTA, 1330am, Chicago
            WBGZ, 1570am, Alton
            WTIM, 1410am, Taylorville
            WKEI, 1450am, Kewanee
Indiana:    WPDJ, 1300am, Huntington/Ft. Wayne
IOWA:       WKEI, 1450am, Davenport
Kansas:     KKLE, 1550am, Wichita/Winfield
Kentucky:   WMTA, 1380am, Central City
            WTTL, 1310am, Madisonville
Louisiana:  KGGM, 93.5fm, Monroe
            KEEL,  710am, Shreveport (50,000 watts)
Maine:      WJTO, 730am, Bath
Massach:    BOSTON CABLE CHANNEL 38B, BOSTON
            WNBH, 1340am, New Bedord/Providence
            WCAT, 700am, Orange
Michigan:   WMKT, 1270am, Traverse City/Cadillac
            WABJ, 1490am, Adrian
Missouri:   WBGZ, 1570am, St. Louis
            KNWA, 1600am, Springfield
            KSWM,  940am, Aurora
Mississippi:WSUH, 1420am, Oxford
            WJNT, 1180am, Jackson (50,000 watts)
Montana:    KDRG, 1400am, Butte/Deer Lodge
N. Carolina:WEEB, 990am,  Fayetteville
            WCRY, 1460am, Raleigh/Durham
            WSKY, 1230am, Greenville/Spartanburg
            WHKY, 1290am, Hickory
            WRAQ, 1240am, Bravard
Nebraska:   KICS, 1550am, Hastings/Lincoln
New Mexico: KICA,  980am, Clovis
Ohio:       WIOI, 1010am, Charleston/New Boston
Oklahoma:   KTMC, 1400am, Tulsa/Mcalester
            KADS, 1240am, Oklahoma City
Oregon:     KBNP, 1410am, Portland
Penn:       WJMW,  550am, Scranton/Wilkes Barre
S. Carolina:WPCC, 1410am, Clinton
            WJMX,  970am, Myrtle Beach/Florence
            WDAR, 1350am, Darlington
Tennesse:   WNWS, 101.5fm,Jackson
Texas:      KIVY, 1290am, Crockett/Paddington
Utah:       K26EM,Channel 26, TV, Emery County-Castledale
Vermont:    WSYB, 1380am, Rutland
Wisconsin:  WHBY, 1150am, GreenBay/Appelton
W. Virginia:WWNR,  620am, Bluefield/Beckley
            WNMR,103.9fm, Wheeling/New Martins
**********************************************************************************
**********************************************************************************
WWCR, 100,000 WATTS, ON TAPE DELAYED BASIS THREE TIMES PER WEEK. WWCR 7.435Mhz,
EVERY MONDAY, 0400UTC AND 0900UTC. AND EVERY SATURDAY, ON 12.160 AT 1600UTC.
**********************************************************************************
**********************************************************************************

##################################################################################
     ALSO AVAILABLE ON TVRO SATELLITE on Spacenet 3, Transponder 9, 6.8 Audio.
##################################################################################
Ham Radio & More is on the Talk America Network. It is aired LIVE
every Sunday at 6:00pm Eastern Time, originating from Phoenix, Arizona.

Our toll free listener call-in line is 1-800-298-TALK. The
originating station number is 1-602-241-1510 for more
information.

Any radio station can air the show FREE OF CHARGE. Get your local
station to air the show by calling the program director asking them
to air the show. Faxes help, too. Again,there is NO CHARGE for the
station to air the show, so a lot of calls asking for the show
can really work.

Also, be sure to check out our WWW Home Page. It has information on
upcoming shows,reviews of past shows, and even theme music. It is
updated courtesy of the Boston Amateur Radio Club. Access it at:
http://www.oakland.edu/barc/ham-more.html

73, Len, KB7LPW

Len Winkler, KB7LPW                           [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                   [e-mail]
Phoenix, Az. 85068-9219
Ham Radio & More Show info at:
http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc/ham-more.html
Show also airs on WWCR shortwave, 7.435mhz, tape delayed,
 Monday at midnight ET (0400utc), and again at 5:00am ET (0900utc), and
Saturdays at noon ET (1600utc) on 12.160.






From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:05 1995
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From: Michael McAmis <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: MLog logging/packet freeware, minor screwup
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> Disappointed with the commercial and shareware Windows
> logging/packet software out there?  Try MLog, freeware
> now available on the internet.
>
> For ftp users, sign on to oak.oakland.edu and get
> pub3/hamradio/pc/logging/mlog0116.zip
>
> If you're using a Web browser, start at BARC's home
> page (www.acs.oakland.edu/barc.html), pick
> "barc archives", then "PC files" (even though it
> says DOS only).  Select the "logging" directory
> and fetch mlog0116.zip
>
> Have fun...

The file import.bas was supposed to be a "little QBasic
prgram" used to import foreign logs.  Instead I included
a chunk of MLog code with the same name.  Entertaining but
not very useful.  If you need the real thing, let me know.
It's quite small and e-mailable.  Hopefully, I'll get
1.17 posted soon.

Mike/WA3ECT
[e-mail]  (internet)
WA3ECT @ W1ET.NH           (packet)




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:06 1995
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Mark Whittington <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Hello

>  If anyone knows if there's a way to program a Motorola Radius UHF
>mobile radio through a PC, please post or mail me.  The radio has an 8
>pin modular mic pluc, and a 14 pin plug on the back.  Thank you.

Requires Motorola or 3rd party RIB (radio interface box) to convert
rs-232 signals to TTL. In addition requires Motorola software for the
series model of radio, in short you need to buy at least the RIB, the
cable from RIB to radio you can build and you may be able to find some
one willing to give you a copy of the software.



--
Mark S. McDermott, P.E.  N7TJP
email: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:07 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Need info on setting Kenwood 690S tone board
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A friend has a Kenwood 690S with a TU-8 tone board.  He needs to know how
to set the dip switches to produce a 107.2hz tone (even better would be a
complete discription of how to set it for all the tones it's capable of).

Please e-mail responses to [e-mail].

Thanks!

  -joe


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DGoodman)
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Subject: Re: NEW Airport Security Issues
Date: 14 Aug 1995 00:59:46 -0400
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Flew out of Boston on Saturday (8/12) with a hand-carried bag loaded with
laptop, HT, CD player, PDA, and cell phone (what a geek!).  Not a query
about what was in the bag.

Danny Goodman, AE9F/6


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:08 1995
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Subject: Re: New Airport Security Rules?
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[e-mail] (WARREN WHITBY) writes:
>I was told yesterday that airports are going to be tightening up security.
>Does anyone know how it will affect carrying HTs and scanners through
>security?
>Warren Whitby
>73s (sic) de KE4ITL

Why not telephone your nearest FAA office or airport
instead of trusting the hearsay and rumors you'll
encounter from us?

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Don Davis)
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Subject: New calls: Net site or 800#?
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 22:04:29 -0400
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I have heard of both an 800# and a net site to find out a new call from tne
FCC within a few days of taking an exam.  Could anyone provide these? Thanks.


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James Warren Price)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New calls: Net site or 800#?
Date: 14 Aug 1995 21:42:16 GMT
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Don Davis ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I have heard of both an 800# and a net site to find out a new call from tne
: FCC within a few days of taking an exam.  Could anyone provide these? Thanks.

Callsign server at University of Arkansa, Little Rock:
http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Price, ARS N3QYE                         Don't blame me.
[e-mail]                  I voted for Emma Goldman.



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Thomas Sheldon)
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Subject: Re: New Ham Radio Tests - Macintosh
Date: 13 Aug 1995 17:35:00 -0500
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: If you load these onto file servers where others can gain access
: via Internet, please let me know so we can point others in that
: direction.

Yes! Yes!  Please, somebody do that! :)


Glad these are available
-Jeff


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Pika)
Subject: NEW PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT: CWAVE
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Xref: grape.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:9996 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:15751 rec.radio.amateur.misc:84795

Cwave is a utility for Windows.  If you have a shortwave radio and a
Windows compatible sound card, Cwave will convert Morse Code into
readable text, in real-time. No TNC or de-modulator is required.

Precise sampling and filtering of the incoming signal is  provided, and
the converted text is presented in a convenient text editor.

Cwave is shareware, and is available for file transfer at:
ftp.eskimo.com/u/p/pika/cwave

Thank you.

-Pika Software



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ShenKing)
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Subject: New Web Sit
Date: 12 Aug 1995 05:20:21 GMT
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There is a new fledgling ham club website: http://www.profile.net/~mori



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:11 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Newsletter for Editors
Date: 11 Aug 1995 16:00:19 GMT
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A fellow ham informed me that there is a newsletter or newsgroup ? for
editors of amateur radio newsletters.  If someone know any info about
this, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks & 73

B.A. Merrill, KC6ING
RCARA MONITOR Editor


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Newsletter for Editors
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 95 06:00:22 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>A fellow ham informed me that there is a newsletter or newsgroup ? for
>editors of amateur radio newsletters.  If someone know any info about
>this, I'd appreciate it.
>
>Thanks & 73
>
>B.A. Merrill, KC6ING
>RCARA MONITOR Editor


  There is the Amateur Radio News Service which publishes the "ARNS
Bulletin" monthly (paper only via snail mail, not on-line).

  Membership is $10 per year. For membership or info, contact:

ARNS
Pam Myers, N8IAK
510 West Harrison
Alliance, OH 44601
Compu$erve- 75027,1342

Curt Phillips, Editor, THE EXCITER -- Raleigh Amateur Radio Society

===========Opinions expressed are solely those of the author===============
Curt Phillips, CEM KD4YU (ex-WB4LHI) | "Microsoft is a synomym of SLOW!!!"
Engr Proj Mgr., Industrial & Research;  [e-mail]
North Carolina Division of Energy;    Chairman, Tarheel Scanner/SWL Group
Energy/Recycling BBS 704-547-3114; ARRL Life; QCWA; Raleigh Am Radio Soc, NRA




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alden & Carolyn Oyer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Northern New Mexico Hamfest, Sept 16
Date: 14 Aug 1995 12:22:15 GMT
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You are invited to attend the Northern New Mexico Hamfest on Saturday,
September 16, 1995, 0830 - 1500 at the Glorieta Baptist Conference Center,
Glorieta, NM (Interstate 25, Exit 299, 16 miles east of Santa Fe).  The hamfest
will include commercial vendors, free tailgating, free donuts and coffee,
presentations, demonstrations, and prizes including a Ten Tec Scout Mobile HF
rig..  There will be arts and crafts for those not interested in amateur radio.
Limited accommodations are available.

Admission at the door will be $5.00 and pre-registration  by September 8 is $2.50
per person.

In conjunction with the hamfest, there will be examinations for all license classes
starting at 1000.

For further information or registration forms, contact either:
        Helenrose Burke, W5IXS
        HCR 65 Box 73
        Ojo Sarco, NM 87521
        Phone [phone]

or
        Alden Oyer, AG5S, via e-mail at [e-mail]

73 de AG5S



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Bessey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: OLD SEARS WAYFARER
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 95 21:49:41 -0700
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If anyone takes offence at the location of this post, please point me in
the correct direction.

I have inherited an old(1968-1970 ish) SEARS WAYFARER Muliband receiver,
and I am looking for a U.S.A. based parts contact as this set was, I am
told, not distributed in Canada, so no listing.  The MODEL # is 8227.
Everything works fine, but need a couple of controls and a new extendable
antenna. Also           thinking about hooking it up to a roof mounted
antenna to see what I can pick up.

Any help would be appreciated.  Please E-Mail imfo.

tks.




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert C. Martin)
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Subject: Re: OLD SEARS WAYFARER
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 06:41:48 GMT
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[e-mail] (Alan Bessey) wrote:

>If anyone takes offence at the location of this post, please point me in
>the correct direction.

>I have inherited an old(1968-1970 ish) SEARS WAYFARER Muliband receiver,
>and I am looking for a U.S.A. based parts contact as this set was, I am
>told, not distributed in Canada, so no listing.  The MODEL # is 8227.
>Everything works fine, but need a couple of controls and a new extendable
>antenna. Also           thinking about hooking it up to a roof mounted
>antenna to see what I can pick up.

>Any help would be appreciated.  Please E-Mail imfo.

>tks.

Your best bet would probably be to go to some hamfests or maybe garage
sales and such and try to find another used one.  Then you can have
one for parts to keep the other one going!

______________
73,

Bob Martin N7JXN
[e-mail]

Author of the "North American Repeater Atlas" published by ARRL



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:15 1995
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From: "Chris M. Bridges" <n4fan.vnet.net>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: personal autopatch ... possible? legal? ethical?
Date: 13 Aug 1995 02:48:10 GMT
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What is the differance between going through a repeter or your own home
base and autopatch ? I my self see no differance.
Is it ethical? I think so. More so, because you are not tying up someone
else's repeter.
Yes it's very possible.
Yes its legal. As long as you obide by the rules of your license.
I say if you want it and can afford it , go for it.


--

   Chris M. Bridges
   >>>>>N4FAN<<<<<<
    [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (FJDJr)
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Subject: Photo Opportunity !!
Date: 12 Aug 1995 21:21:34 -0400
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I am preparing a screen saver for Amateur Radio to be offered with QSO
Tutor from QSO Software.  If you have an amateur related photo that you
think would be worthwhile to be a part of the screensaver I would like to
get a copy.   In return for allowing me to use your photo, I will give you
a copy of the screen saver and a QSO Tutor of your choice - Novice -
Extra, Commercial or Commercial Radar.  Photos are subject to my
acceptance to obtain the Screen saver and Tutor.   Please send a print of
your picture to me in the mail or electronically in gif jpeg bmp tiff or
any common image format.  My address is Jeff Duncan c/o QSO Software , 208
Partridge Way, Kennett Square PA  19348.  Email at [e-mail] or
[e-mail].
Call 1 800 GUD DX 73   (1800 483 3973) if any questions.
Thanks es  73.   Jeff (WB3B)


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel SAVEL)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Pulsed-Bi-Phase Com of K6HH
Date: 14 Aug 1995 10:12:12 +0200
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An article published by K6HH in the June, 1988 issue of the "73 AMATEUR
RADIO" described a technique of pulsed Bi-Phase shift-keyed (BPSK)
modulation (19.2 KB in a 3kHz bandwith!).

The key element of this system was a very small phase angle deviation and a
nanosecond linear transient of the phase modulation.

Some of my friends and I are experimenting this technique and any
information would be of great help.

I would like to know if someone has tried this system and/or knows results
of such tests. Thanks.

Daniel F5ITU





From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Rebar grounds and exploding myths
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <40ehbj$[e-mail]> Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]> writes:
>Some others wrote:
>>>>-> > I would not use rebar that is part of a foundation as a grounding
>>>>-> point. > If you did happen to have a direct hit, it could cause your
>>>>-> foundation > to shatter/crack/explode.
>>>>->
>[snipped]
>>>
>>>I, too, have wondered about this.  The cause of the damage to the foundation,
>>>I believe, would be the heat generated by the resistive losses in the rebar
>>>causing the moisture in the concrete to turn to steam, which would expand and
>>>crack the concrete.  So what matters here, is how good a conductor is the steel
>>>rebar, and how good a connection is there between rebars and a good ground?
>
>[snipped]
>
>>The key point you're both overlooking is that the rebar laced concrete
>>is a *much* better conductor than soil. Therefore the I^2R losses in
>>the concrete are much less than in the soil, so most of the heat *doesn't*
>>go into the concrete. You can't treat Earth as a perfect conductor, it
>>isn't, and it's in series with any other elements in the circuit connecting
>>to Earth. That's why you'd get "exploding dirt" long before you'd get
>>exploding concrete.
>>
>>Because the Ufer ground is effectively many resistors in parallel,
>>the current divides through it in such a way that no one point has
>>a lot of I, and hence no one point has a lot of I^2R to generate
>>heat. The energy of a lightning bolt is only about 20 joules total,
>>so if you spread it a bit, it can't do much.
>
>While I don't know if anyone's foundation WILL explode, it could
>considering how much heat can develop almost instantly.

I made a misstatement above, there are about *20 coulombs* total in
a lightning bolt, not 20 joules. Calculating the number of joules
in the discharge is more complex. Lets crank some typical numbers,
but first lets review a little physics.

It is energy that boils water, not power. Energy is measured in joules,
calories, BTU, etc, and is power per unit time, IE we are most familiar
with it expressed as kilowatt-hours. A lightning discharge moves a certain
amount of charge, measured in coulombs. Now an ampere is 1 coulomb per
second, so we can get the total energy dissipated by the bolt in a given
resistance by using I^2*R and using 20 coulombs-sec as the amperage, doing
it this way factors in *time* so that we get joules instead of watts. Now
an effective ground connection must be less than 25 ohms according to the
NEC, and the Ufer ground meets that requirement handily, so for worst case,
20^2*25 will give us the number of joules dissipated in the Ufer ground,
or 10,000 joules. Now 1 joule will raise the temperature of 1 gram of water
1 degree Celsius, or one lightning bolt will raise the temperature of 10
kilograms of water in the Ufer ground 1 degree. That's how much heat we're
talking about here. Not a lot.

OTOH, *peak* power is very high, on the order of 8000^2*25 or 1.6 billion
watts. But this is a very short duration pulse, so the energy of the
bolt is still fairly low. This is like any other pulse source, like radar,
where the peak power may be *very* high but the average energy of the
radar beam is quite modest. That's why small magnetrons with modest
cooling requirements can produce pulses with a peak power of 100s of
kilowatts, but *don't* have the *heating* energy of a continous 100 kW
power source.

What we have to be wary of is *spot* effects. If we concentrate the
heat energy on a very small spot, we get dramatic effects. This is
like using a magnifying glass to burn an ant. The energy from the
Sun normally doesn't cause an ant to burn because it is diffuse,
but concentrate a bit of it with a magnifying glass and you can
make the ant burn. The same thing can happen here. If a high resistance
spot dissipates most of the bolt's energy, that spot can get very
hot. This is the advantage of the Ufer ground, it *spreads* the bolt
energy over a large Earth contact area. Like millions of resistors
in parallel, it shares the bolt energy over a large volume. This is
like a magnifying glass in reverse, IE a diverging lens, and is why
the concrete does not explode.


>But there is something I haven't seen addressed in this thread when
>talking about lightning protection.  Most of the figures, equations and
>ideas I have seen here about how these things can happen seem to be based
>only on a DC applications of Ohm's law.  Until just recently, I
>also considered lightning protection to be a project that worked with
>just a DC path.  I was recently enlightened to the fact that you must
>consider AC reactance when designing a lightning protection system as
>well as the DC path.

Yes, we must consider the AC effects, but remember that for power
the AC equation is just P=I*E*cos(theta), where theta is the angle
between current and voltage. *Worst case* from our point of view
is when cos(theta) is 1, IE when the current and voltage are in
phase, and that devolves to the same as DC. At any other angle,
we have VAR, or so-called wattless watts, IE the net energy delivered
is less than the DC case. So for worst case heating calculations, we
can use the DC equations and be confident that they are conservative.

>When lightning hits a conductor, such as a tower, a ground cable, or a
>piece of rebar, there is a BIG surge in current through that conductor.
>The smallest lightning surge ever recorded was 5000 amps with a 5 usec
>rise time.  The average lightning surge is 25,000 amps.  There is of
>course, a magnetic field that grows during the rise.  If the conductor
>goes through something like a metal conduit, or has any sharp bends, etc,
>it can act like a choke and raise the potential between both ends of the
>path.  With some of the some of the numbers I have seen, it's a big
>hazard, and was quite an "eye opener".

Well, my references disagree with yours on average surge currents,
giving an average of 8,000 amps, but I'll agree that's still "BIG".
Remember, however, that it is also *brief*. It does not behave the
same as a *constant* current of that magnitude, so motor effects are
small. We have to be wary of an inductance because very large potentials
can be expressed across it during a strike. This can force currents
through alternate paths, which is why we want our main path to Earth
to be low reactance.

>Not considering the inductive reactance of your lightning protection
>system can lead to unaccepatble protection of you and your property.

You bet. This is absolutely critical. If your controlled path is
highly reactive, huge potentials will develop across it, and alternate
paths will be taken. Those alternate paths are typically through your
equipment *or you* and are the reason you installed the controlled
path in the first place, IE to suppress side flashes and shunt current
flows.

>With this in mind, I sure as hell would NOT rely on rebar in my
>foundation in my lightning path to ground.  In fact, I would keep my
>system isolated from the rebar as much as possible.

Why? A Ufer ground is many elements in parallel to Earth. It offers
a low inductance path, same as any case where multiple inductors are
in parallel. A driven rod is the *worst* case. It offers neither
paralleled resistance nor paralleled inductance to the path. Like
the magnifying glass, it concentrates the energy at one point. The
Ufer ground is equivalent to many millions of resistors or inductors
in parallel. It spreads the energy, like a diverging lens. It also
acts like many *capacitors* in parallel to the surge, and couples
it with low reactance to Earth.

The Ufer ground is orders of magnitude less resistive and reactive
than soil grains. So its I^2*R losses are orders of magnitude lower
than soil grains, and its E=I*X potential drop is orders of magnitude
lower than soil grains. With a driven rod, you are depending mostly on
the conductance and susceptance of the soil grains in intimate contact
with the rod to carry off the surge. With a Ufer ground, the volume of
soil in paralleled contact is *vastly* greater, so it's a much better
Earth connection.

You've *got* to remember that Earth is the *worst* conductor in your
circuit. Whatever you use as an Earth terminal, it is that interface
between it and soil grains where the highest resistance and reactance
are going to occur. You want to make those as low as possible. A Ufer
ground does that much better than a driven rod. A solid copper sheet
the size of the Ufer ground would do it even better, of course, but
isn't cost effective.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:20 1995
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[e-mail] (John E. Taylor III) writes:
>[e-mail] (Peter Simpson) wrote:
>> [e-mail] (Paul Knowlton) writes:

>> >-> > I would not use rebar that is part of a foundation as a grounding
>> >-> point. > If you did happen to have a direct hit, it could cause your
>> >-> foundation > to shatter/crack/explode.

>> >-> The above is in direct contradiction to the information supplied by
>> >-> the Poly Phaser company.

>> >Then Poly Phaser was wrong. It is correct that if there was a direct
>> >hit, that it will damage the foundation. Besides, you have concrete,
>> >which is not the greatest of conductors between the rebar and ground.

>> I, too, have wondered about this....[deletions]

>I thought it was PolyPhaser who recommended multiple ground rods around the
>tower foundation, well bonded to each leg of the tower, and avoidance of
>rebar sticking through the foundation into the ground.  At least those are
>the standard practices I've read.

Someone about a year ago provided an eye-witness account of lightning
hitting his tower and causing the cement base to burst apart. Chunks
of concrete flew in all directions causing severe damage to whatever
they struck. It was a most fascinating story - sure wish he come back
here and provide the details again. Him or someone else concluded
that the moisture in the cement vaporized to steam, and its expansion
caused the burst to occure.

Maybe we don't see "exploding dirt" because the steam can harmlessly
escape.

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:21 1995
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Gary Coffman" writes:

> It is energy that boils water, not power. Energy is measured in joules,
> calories, BTU, etc, and is power per unit time,

It is power which is energy per unit time, so energy must be power
multiplied by time, as you then correctly applied in your examples.

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Roy Lewallen)
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>   [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:

>. . . .

>  I made a misstatement above, there are about *20 coulombs* total in
>  a lightning bolt, not 20 joules. Calculating the number of joules
>  in the discharge is more complex. Lets crank some typical numbers,
>  but first lets review a little physics.
>
>  It is energy that boils water, not power. Energy is measured in joules,
>  calories, BTU, etc, and is power per unit time, IE we are most familiar
>  with it expressed as kilowatt-hours. A lightning discharge moves a certain
>  amount of charge, measured in coulombs. Now an ampere is 1 coulomb per
>  second, so we can get the total energy dissipated by the bolt in a given
>  resistance by using I^2*R and using 20 coulombs-sec as the amperage, doing
>  it this way factors in *time* so that we get joules instead of watts. Now
>  an effective ground connection must be less than 25 ohms according to the
>  NEC, and the Ufer ground meets that requirement handily, so for worst case,
>  20^2*25 will give us the number of joules dissipated in the Ufer ground,
>  or 10,000 joules. Now 1 joule will raise the temperature of 1 gram of water
>  1 degree Celsius, or one lightning bolt will raise the temperature of 10
>  kilograms of water in the Ufer ground 1 degree. That's how much heat we're
>  talking about here. Not a lot.
>
>. . . .

If I'm recalling my basic physics correctly, there's still a problem with
this analysis.

For simplicity (so we won't have to mess with derivatives and integrals),
make the assumption that all quantities aren't changing with time. This isn't
true, of course, but I don't think it'll change the conclusions:

I = Q/t where I is the current (amperes), Q the charge (couloumbs), and t
the time (seconds) for which the charge flows.

P = I^2 * R where P is the power (watts) and R is the resistance (ohms)

W = Pt where W is the energy (joules). Energy isn't power per unit time as
stated in the original posting, but energy times time (more accurately, the
time integral of the power).

A little manipulation gives that W = (Q^2 * R)/t. This indicates that for a
given charge Q, the amount of energy depends on the length of time over which
the charge is delivered. The faster it's delivered, the larger the energy.

The example above used one second for the delivery time and gave a result of
10,000 joules. If we use 1 millisecond for the delivery time, the current is
20,000 amperes, the power 10^10 watts, and the energy is 10,000,000 joules.
A joule is a watt-second. We've produced 10^10 watts for 1 millisecond. This
is the same amount of energy as 10 kW for 1,000 seconds.

I have no idea of whether reinforced concrete will or won't explode if hit
by lightning. But if Gary's number of 20 couloumbs is correct, and 1 ms is
a ballpark delivery time, you get quite a bunch of energy. Or I don't recall
my basic physics right.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL
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In article <40k12f$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Roy
Lewallen) wrote:

> I have no idea of whether reinforced concrete will or won't explode if hit
> by lightning. But if Gary's number of 20 couloumbs is correct, and 1 ms is
> a ballpark delivery time, you get quite a bunch of energy. Or I don't recall
> my basic physics right.
>
> Roy Lewallen, W7EL
> [e-mail]

You are correct sir! Your basic physics is just fine.

Jeff Schneider WM1Y
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Orrin Winton WN1Z)
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A program i've written in C and compiled, a utility i call
ROUTES, may be of interest to packet bbs sysops and users, so
i am posting this announcement on a couple of the ham newsgroups.

ROUTES.EXE:  A self-extracting archive.  For DOS; there is one
version for a 50-line screen and one for the 25-line screen.
The utility creates a searchable listing, using packet
bulletins you have downloaded off your local ham radio BBS
using the 'rh' command (rather than 'r') to get the long-header
info.  (Sorry, i don't know what the equivalent FBB command is
for this.  It might be 'v'.)  The listing will tell you who
forwards to whom, who receives from whom.  Will also tell you
how many days a message stayed on a BBS en route.  You can then
search the listing with the search program provided, and it
will produce a file based on a search callsign you provide.

Sysops might use this program to keep track of forwarding
delays over time; 'users' might use this program to keep track
of sysops over time  :-)

Someone will say that this information could also be gleaned
by simple inspection of the routing headers; however, the program
ALSO PRODUCES a comma-delimited file (with all forwarding
info, not just a single search-callsign) which can be imported
into dBase, Paradox, etc. for very versatile sorts and searches.
Find bottlenecks between BBSs with corresponding dates and length
of 'holds' or delays.  In a dBase IV file i made with the
results of the program, i sorted on BBS-a, BBS-b, and date, and
got a listing showing a history by date of delays in forwarding
from a to b, hundreds of 'pairs' of BBSs.  The utility will not
of course tell you anything about a message which never got to
you.  For the latter, you need witchcraft and a big stick   :-)
not C code.

Most of my motivation for writing this utility was that i
wanted to come up with a tool for users to try to demystify
the forwarding system; some sysops are not always forthcoming
with information, and some are not even up-front about their
editorial and censorship policies.  So this utility is an
intelligence-gathering tool for the user.  It can also be a
tool for the sysop, of course.

Sysops who are not "downloading" messages on the air, with
routing headers, but who rather wish to analyze messages
sitting on their hard disk, might be able to create one large
file with all the messages combined into one file, by doing the
following dos command:  copy *.* packet.txt       ; my
utility requires that there be a text file called 'packet.txt'
to work on (a sample is included with my utility); i've used
file sizes up to 800K without my utility coughing and dying on
me; don't know how big the 'packet.txt' file can get before it
would cough and die.  Perhaps never, since the text file is
examined line by line and only a few hundred bytes are held
in memory at any given moment.

An earlier version of this program appeared in May on the
CD-ROM "The World of Ham Radio" by Amsoft.  However, the
version of ROUTES on the CD does not include the comma-delim
file feature mentioned above.

I'm offering some other original freeware, such as (1) curve-
fitting regression package (stats) for amateur radio (and other)
programmers (how to get an equation to fit a curve in some
engineering handbook); (2) rhombic antenna design hf/vhf;
a set of 3 programs i call 'fromage' which yank all lines
out of Internet email which start with 'From:'.  Then you
sort the file, kill duplicates with another program of mine,
but then you have to go in and clean up the unnecessary
garbage like the 'From:' at the beginning and any other
junk that came on the line.  Eventually i'll get around to
combining all these functions into one 'big' utility and
include some garbage disposal routines.

Also have some freeware, with C code and author identification
material, for several tsr utilities, one of which lets you
copy PARTS of your screen (the parts you select) to a disk
file, and appends to that disk file every time you invoke
the tsr.  I use it to reduce 300K listserver downloads to
10K of excerpts.  The problem, if it's a problem, is that
you have to use a simple DOS text editor like Q-edit; the tsr
won't work under Windows, nor in WP for DOS.  And 25-line
screen only.  I just now checked, and it won't work with
msdos edit.  If you need Q-edit, i think i can send that to
you since the signoff blurb makes it look like shareware
(you're the one who's responsible for registering your copy),
and i'm not SELLING anything in this posting.  Apparently the
tsr routines are ancient, from the late eighties.

At this point in time i don't have any of this stuff available
at an FTP site; if you want any of these programs, please send
a formatted 1.44, 720, or 360 disk (2 360s if you're wanting
more than a couple of the utilities), mailer, and enough return
postage, to me:  Orrin Winton, PO Box 89, Big Sur CA 93920.

Specify which program(s):  ROUTES, STAT, RHOMBIC, FROMAGE, TSR,
and Q-EDIT (for use with the tsr screen copier).


Best regards,

WN1Z  Orrin





PS:  I don't as yet have the ability to read Newsgroups; i
posted this via e-mail.  So any replies, questions, hate mail
or whatever should go to my e-mail address:  [e-mail]

A late note:  i can send any of this stuff via uuencoded
email, in 49K chunks.  E-mail me if you want that.


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (HeadShrnkr)
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I am in the process of setting up a 2m and 70m KLM antenna array. I have
selected the Yaesu GB5400 antenna rotator. My question is this.
What is the max angle the antenna would be inclined to during the tracking
process? By degree, for example I noted that the rotator control allows a
90 degree angle. Is the antenna ever really used at this angle? The reason
for my concern is that mounting location that I have chosen maybe restrict
me from using the antenna at 90 degrees. If I located the antenna on a
higher mast, say 12 feet this problem would be solved, but it would become
more of an eyesore to my neigbhors.

Also, do most Satellites tend to travel in a North/South pattern? Final
question, how would this antenna be for use with ground based stations?
Would I be better retaining my dualband vertical that I am presently using
for gound communication?

Thank you for your reply. Email to [e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:26 1995
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HeadShrnkr ([e-mail]) wrote:
<snip>
: What is the max angle the antenna would be inclined to during the tracking
: process? By degree, for example I noted that the rotator control allows a
: 90 degree angle. Is the antenna ever really used at this angle?
Yes
<snip>
: Also, do most Satellites tend to travel in a North/South pattern?
     Satellites have many kinds of orbits. A few of them are near
polar, and thus travel nearly north-south (or vice versa) but even
these can pass near the zenith, the point right overhead.

: Would I be better retaining my dualband vertical that I am presently using
: for gound communication?
Probably.
<snip>

Gerry K8EF



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>>: WarrenRing ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>: It was apparent that I had been hit not by lightning, but with an
>>: Electro-Magnetic Pulse (EMP) like I've read about when A-bombs go off.
>>: My next thought was "YOU IDIOT!!!  You're lucky you weren't killed!
>>: They don't let extra-class hams into heaven if they die by
>>: electrocution!"  But I've never heard of anyone getting shocked by EMP!

>>In article <4087ns$[e-mail]>
>>  [e-mail] (Ron Natalie) writes:

>>Not EMP, just static.  I've watched a lot of safety film regarding
>>material handling and static discharge.  It is a misconception
>>that the tower is likely to be hit by a bolt of lighting (or a lighting
>>rod).  All that needs to happen is the storm to pass through and
>>have the air charge up around your tower.  This is the point in
>>lightning rods.  They discharge the static before theres lightning, not
>>afterwards.

>In article <[e-mail]>
>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:

>No. Almost certainly what he experienced was EMP. EMP effects are *the*
>most common antenna effect during a thunderstorm, far more likely than a
>direct strike because they occur for *every* lightning discharge within
>a several mile radius of the antenna. Those of us who routinely play with
>large ungrounded antenna structures know this effect well. Up at the farm
>I had a 1,000 foot rhombic. I attached one leg of it to a sparkplug once
>and could reliably detect lightning by the EMP that would cause the plug
>to fire every time a distant lightning stroke occurred (even for discharges
>that offered only a faint glow on the horizon and no audible thunderclap).
>EMP's effect with antennas is, of course, simply reception of an
>electromagnetic pulse, something antennas are designed to do. And,
>of course, a lightning discharge generates an electromagnetic pulse,
>it is, after all, a natural spark transmitter.

And I'll just add my $0.02.  My lightning-induced EMP experience came
from a 40-meter dipole strung vertically to a 300-foot television transmitting
tower on top of a mountain.  Same thing as Gary's rhombic.  I got a spark
across the PL-259 connector whenever there was a lightning strike within
10 miles of the site.

With HF antennas, though, I don't think there is much of an electrocution
hazard.  The antenna's self-impedance would only be low at HF frequencies,
so the low-frequency and DC components of the pulse would be attenuated
with any load (namely your body) across the transmission line terminals.
The unattenuated HF components would not cause any physiological
response due to skin effect driving the current flow outside the body through
dead skin.  Could give you a nasty little RF burn if it arced, however.

Jim, W5GYJ




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:28 1995
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Subject: Re: SHOULD THE CODE REQUIREMENT BE DROPPED???????
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(Jerry B Altzman) writes:

>Why should I? I didn't have to walk to school 10 miles, through a raging
>blizzard, both ways, like you did. Life got better. "I did it" is no reason
>to keep a requirement.
> KE3ML

What are you complaining about, Jerry? You've already passed the
fill-in-the-blank code test - you've got your HF privileges.

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Mosterd)
Subject: Re: STANDARD
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[e-mail] wrote:

>what do you thing about STANDARD

It is rather expensive but it's solid equipment and is made out of
quality components. It's performance is really good, especially it's
selectivity. Out of band sensitivity is not outstanding but acceptable.

The thing that attracts me about Standard is the solid impression it
makes and it's performance. No superfluous 'bells, rings and flashy
lights'.

Uphere I use the C620 dualband HT and the C5600D dualband mobile.
I started with the C520 for six years ago.

It's worth the money in my opinion.

Cheerio

de Patrick



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:29 1995
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Subject: STANDARD
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Subject: STANDARD

>>...what do you thing (sic) about STANDARD...

Wouldn't trade my C288As or my C558As to anyone for anything. Best specs
in the business.

What exactly are you looking for in a radio?
---
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:30 1995
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: This Week in Amateur Radio #124 (for air through 8/18/95)
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Here is a summary of news items covered on edition #124 of "This
Week in Amateur Radio", North America's satellite-delivered audio
bulletin service, for the week ending 18-Aug:
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1.   Maryland Amateur Celebrates a Special VJ Day 50th Anniversary
2.   Fundraising Effort Will Put Amateur Call Signs Aboard Phase 3D
3.   Computer Chip Market Grows 52% to $16.3 Billion in 1995
4.   South African AMSAT's SpaceCon '95 Scheduled for Next Month
5.   Russian Op Activates Vietnam (3W), Announces New QSL Address
6.   "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
7.   "Amateur Radio Newsline" - Edition #939 from Los Angeles
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There a good computer-prog out there that'll teach me what's needed for a tech and/or novice-class
license?



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill L. Kotarski)
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Subject: Re: Trying to find Buffalo callsigns - help
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Ian Roger Brothwell ([e-mail]) wrote:
> Would someone kindly remind me of the telnet address for the Buffalo callsign
> server?

> Thanks,  Ian G4EAN @ GB7BAD  or [e-mail]

Buffalo Call sign data base is over a year old. http://qrz.com
There is also a university in Arkansas that has the latest (one day old)
data base from the fcc,
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 21:14:31 1995
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Subject: Re: What is "HAM"??
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Subject: Re: What is "HAM"??

No one has the definitive derivation of the term, "Ham."

So - here's mine.

The first time you showed interest in this magnificent hobby, "Ham"
stood for: Have A lot of Money.

Once you got the bug, of course, it now means: Had A lot of Money.
---
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[e-mail] (Clint Bradford) writes:
>Subject: Re: What is "HAM"??
>No one has the definitive derivation of the term, "Ham."

Its earliest use in print was the November 1914 issue of QST.
And is *was* spelled `Ham', not `ham'.

Jeff NH6IL


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From: [e-mail] (William A. Kirsanoff)
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On 10 Aug 95 12:28:23 GMT
[e-mail] (Peter Simpson) wrote:

     >In article <40akak$[e-mail]>,
     >[e-mail] (Curtis Wheeler) writes:

     >>Federal Aviation Regulation (FAR) 91.21 prohibts the use of any
     >>portable electronic device on board an aircraft in flight with
     >>these exceptions.
     >>1.  Portable voice recorders
     >>2.  Hearing aids
     >>3.  Heart Pacemakers
     >>4.  Electric Shavers
     >>5.  Any other device that the operator (the airline) has
     >>determined will not cause interference with the aircraft's
     >>navigation or communications systems.
     >

     >Number 5 is the key.  The last few times I flew, I checked the
     >seat pocket for information.  It seems to vary by airline.  For
     >example, there has been a lot of pressure from business travellers
     >to allow laptop use in flight, so those and video games were
     >specifically allowed (on this particular airline), but only during
     >the "cruise" phase of the flight.  They had to be off and stowed
     >during takeoff and approach.

     >I had a co-worker who was told he could use his laptop, but not
     >his mouse (it was a normal, corded, mouse, not an integrated
     >pointing device).

     >Of course, if you want to listen to the radio, you could use
     >a tuned-RF receiver.  Without a local oscillator, you wouldn't be
     >able to interfere :-)

This thread began with the standard "can I take it through security and
then aboard the aircraft" question, and now seems to be migrating to the
biannual "can I use it on the aircraft" question.

The answer to the former is yes, you may be asked to turn the HT on at
security, but you may bring it in. I travel frequently with an HT,
including a trip during the recent Unibomber alert in the LA area. No
problems.

o answer the latter question, in practice you may not operate an amateur
radio from a commercial airliner. Both FAA and FCC regulations restrict
radio operation from an aircraft in a manner that effectively prevents
an amateur radio operation. Note: this includes "just listening". Since
this question is a regular feature here, I have saved the appropriate
statutes from previous posts and append them here,:

Subject: Operation of Ham radios on planes

The use of a transmitter on-board an aircraft is a recurring topic in this
group. With this in mind, I have saved the meat of two posts from April
of 1994 that should provide the difinitive answer. I've lost the
attribution on the posts, but here are the applicable sections of both
part 97 (FCC Regs.) and FAR Part 91 (FAA Regs.)

Begin Quote  (FCC Regulations)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

97.11 Stations aboard ships or aircraft.

(a)  The installation and operation of an amateur station
     on a ship or aircraft must be approved by the master
     of the ship or pilot in command of the aircraft.

(b)  The station must be seperate from and independent of
     all other radio apparatus installed on the ship or
     aircraft, except a common antenna may be shared with
     a voluntary ship radio installation.  The station's
     transmissions must not cause interference to any
     other apparatus installed on the ship or aircraft.

(c)  The station must not constitute a hazard to the
     safety of life or property.  For a station aboard an
     aircraft, the apparatus shall not be operated while
     the aircraft is operating under Instrument Flight
     Rules, as defined by the FAA, unless the station has
     been found to comply with all applicable FAA rules.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

End quoted text.



Begin Quote  (FAA Regulations)
--------------------------------------------------

FAR Part 91.21 Portable Electronic Devices

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this
    section, no person may operate, nor may any
    operator or pilot in command of an aircraft
    allow the operation of, any portable electronic
    device on any of the following US-registered
    civil aircraft:
  (1)  Aircraft operated by a holder of an air
       carrier operating certificate or an operating
       certificate; or
  (2)  Any other aircraft while it is operated
       under IFR.

(b) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to --
  (1) Portable voice recorders;
  (2) Hearing aids;
  (3) Heart pacemakers;
  (4) Electric shavers; or
  (5) Any other portable electronic device
      that the operator of the aircraft has
      determined will not cause intereference
      with the navigation or communication system
      of the aircraft on which it is to be used.
(c) In the case of an aircraft operated by
    a holder of an air carrier operating
    certificate, the determination required by
    paragraph (b)(5) of this section shall be
    made by that operator of the aircraft on
    which the particular device is to be used.
    In the case of other aircraft, the
    determination may be made by the pilot in
    command or other operator of the aircraft.

--------------------------------------------------

End quote -- begin interpretation & explanation

Applications
1)  If your buddy takes you flying in his PA-28R, you can
    get his permission, as Pilot In Command to operate your kilowatt
    2m station, if he determines that doing so will not interfere with
    his communication & navigation equipment.

2)  If you're flying to Florida on AirWorst Airlines, you may NOT
    operate any transmitter or receiver ever.  The pilot does >NOT<
    have the authority to allow such operation.  (See FAR 91.21 (c) --
    The important definition is "operator" which is NOT PIC [pilot
    in charge])

End of saved posts.

73

________________________________________________________________________
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:03:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Reddy Biggs)
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Subject: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONES ON
Date: 15 Aug 1995 22:26:15 -0500
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I've been reading with some amusement the response from Clint Bradford &
others about the spam ad from MacGuyver on cell phones.

While I hate to see spam, I also hate to see uninformed hams make
pronouncements that are less than correct.

The bottom line is, most cellular service agreements do not prohibit
cloning YOUR OWN phone. There is no FCC prohibition.

There IS however, the misinformation from most cellular salesmen that it
is illegal (wrong) or not technically feasible (wrong again.. ) .

Obviously it is in the best interest of the cellular provider to sell you
two numbers instead of one.

I might share my personal experience with cloning.

I have a Motorola MicroTac and an Audiovox mobile in my car. I had TWO
phone numbers which was a real pain. People had to try to call me both
places to get me, and I had TWO phone bills.

I had my phones cloned 2 years ago to the same ESN (electronic serial
number). Actually the Audiovox was cloned to the Motorola's ESN.

I then brought the Audiovox to the place I purchased it, and had them
reprogram it to the same phone number as my Motorola.

Lest you feel that I was sneaking around my service provider, the place I
purchased it from was none other than Southwestern Bell. They had
absolutely NO problem doing this for me. They even turned both phones on
and called them for me to verify everything was OK !

The CAVEAT:

When you roam out of your home service area BE SURE both phones aren't on
at the same time. Fraud watch programs are likely to be unfriendly.

Also, if BOTH phones are on in my home area, both ring, but only the
Audiovox completes the call.

THE BOTTOM LINE:

Multiply 24 months x $30 -

A penny saved is a penny earned.
ll
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:03:39 1995
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WI>The bottom line is, most cellular service agreements do not prohibit
WI>cloning YOUR OWN phone. There is no FCC prohibition.

again, this is only legal IF your cellular provider has approved it.
there is no grey area.  if your cellular provider prohibits cloning a
phone in it's service agreement, you are breaking the law.

WI>Obviously it is in the best interest of the cellular provider to sell you
WI>two numbers instead of one.

yes, true.  however, not ALL cellular providers have set up provisions
for legal cloning of phones.  most service areas have 2 carriers
available at the most, and in my area, only one of the two carriers
permits cloning.  it is prohibited by the other.  don't tell me they
can't do that.  they prohibit it, they do catch people, and they DO
prosecute, and i have never seen them lose in court, yet.

WI>I might share my personal experience with cloning.

WI>I have a Motorola MicroTac and an Audiovox mobile in my car. I had TWO
WI>phone numbers which was a real pain. People had to try to call me both
WI>places to get me, and I had TWO phone bills.

WI>I had my phones cloned 2 years ago to the same ESN (electronic serial
WI>number). Actually the Audiovox was cloned to the Motorola's ESN.

last i checked, it WAS illegal completely in the san francisco bay
service area two years ago.  GTE mobilenet VERY recently started
allowing cloning of phones on THEIR system only with THEIR approval.  i
think they just loosened up a bit recently though.  as of yet, cellular
one still prohibits the practice.  in my opinion, however, they might
begin allowing it once they begin issuing PIN numbers for access.

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WI>=========================================================================

p.s., one other thing.  doctors and several other "important" people
often are allowed priveledges that others aren't allowed when it comes
to certain services such as telephones and communications devices in
many areas.  are you sure you weren't given the cloning option due to
this fact?

greg
kd6ven
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:03:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950815221646.11958A-100000@cortex>,
   [e-mail] (Reddy Biggs) wrote:
>I've been reading with some amusement the response from Clint Bradford &
>others about the spam ad from MacGuyver on cell phones.
>
>While I hate to see spam, I also hate to see uninformed hams make
>pronouncements that are less than correct.
>
>The bottom line is, most cellular service agreements do not prohibit
>cloning YOUR OWN phone. There is no FCC prohibition.

Maybe so (I'm not going to state definitely one way or another).  It is
clearly not intended to be done, as manufacturers build the phones so
it is rather difficult to do.  They probably have to do this in order to
get FCC approval of the phones.  One thing is certain: if the providers get
their act together, there will be no reason to reason to change the ESN of
a phone other than to steal service from someone else's account.  Providers
most likely would prefer ESNs not be changed for that reason than to
prevent "legitimate" use of two phones.

The ESN is used only to detect "fradulent" use.  It is not used to address
a particular phone when placing or receiving a call.  When a call is set
up, the phone transmits it's 10-digit number and its ESN.  These numbers
are cross-referenced in a database to be sure that they are legitimate.
This prevents someone from "borrowing" your account by simply setting their
phone to your phone number.  Of course the crooks are now sufficiently
advanced that changing the ESN as well is no problem either, although
finding a valid one generally requires monitoring the transmission from
someone's phone.

However, if the database had registered two or more ESNs as valid for each
phone number, then a customer could use "two phones on one number" without
"cloning" them.  But the fact remains that the protocol is going to have a
hard time dealing with two phones trying to operate at the same time on the
same 10-digit number, *same ESN or not*.  (Again, changing the ESN has no
benefit other than fooling the fraud database).  The original specification
was very shortsighted.  (In another major omission, since portable phones
were apparently not foreseen in 1981, there is no provision for "battery
saver" monitoring by a phone while it is waiting for calls).

So if this kind of service is set up (same 10-digit number, different ESN),
it is still up to the customer to be sure both phones are not powered on at
the same time.  Many customers are likely to not do that.  If both phones
are in the same cell, the one with more power and/or a better antenna will
generally "win".  If they are in different cells, the first one to answer,
or more likely the one with the strongest signal to its cell, could get the
call, although the network is probably set up to route calls only to/from
one point and would get rather confused trying to set up a call that goes
to two places at once.  (I believe a voice channel is opened when the phone
starts ringing, to ensure that it will still be avaialable when the call is
answered.  That's one reason why you can't call a cellphone and let it
ring for more than a minute or so, that uses airtime that is (as yet) not
charged for.)

Another way to set up a "two phones, one number" account would be to use
seperate 10-digit numbers for each, but configure the network software so
that (1) only one can be active at a time, and (2) calls for one are
"aliased" to the other as well.  The 10-digit number for the secondary
phone needn't be one allocated for landline use, since it is never used
over the landline anyway.  But it probably would be so the second phone
could be used for roaming as well (since providers make out like bandits on
roamer calls, there is no need to prohibit simultaneous use in that
circumstance).  Again, I'm just guessing, but this is probably how the
advertised plans work, since it has the least potential for techincal
difficulty.  The increase in cost to the provider is small compared to two
completely seperate accounts, since only one radio channel and one landline
can be used at a time.  And, assuming any use of a phone generates profit,
anything that increases use of cellular phones as well as customer
satisfaction with "value" received from the provider is going to be viewed
as beneficial.

>
>There IS however, the misinformation from most cellular salesmen that it
>is illegal (wrong) or not technically feasible (wrong again.. ) .

If cellular providers were set up for "two phones, one number" done the
right way, changing the ESN would be *unnecessary*.  If you are doing it
"to save money" over the provider's official method, then it is most likely
not in compliance with the terms of your contract, i.e. it is illegal.

Celluar providers and customers should realize that widespread changing of
ESNs is going to make it even more difficult than it already is to prevent
the illegal use of lost, defunct, or stolen phones.  This will naturally
raise costs for legitimate users.  If you loose or sell one of your cloned
phones, it will be impossible to distinguish it from your other phone.  So
additional changing of ESNs, rather than just having the provider change
the registration database, will be required to resolve the situation.
Using a PIN is a good idea (and probably necessary, since widespread
changing of ESNs already exists), but having to use it on every call could
get old after a while.

>
>Obviously it is in the best interest of the cellular provider to sell you
>two numbers instead of one.

Maybe not.  Clearly a lot of customers won't do it because of the
substantial extra expense.  If one number is used for more of the time,
because of the convenience of having two phones active on it, revenue is
increased as well.  Plus the cellular company would only need to pay the
landline company for one number, and prepare, mail, and collect only one
bill.

>[...]

-Mike KD4QDM


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From: [e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio)
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I now have our entire discount ham radio catalog on-line with a search
engine. Come and check it out at (http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html)!

--
Ray Sarrio Co.
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Morrow)
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          Ten Commandments For The Service Technician:

(1)  Beware the Lightning that Lurketh in the Undischarged Capacitor,
lest it smite Thee and cause Thee to Bounce upon Thy buttocks a most
UN-technician-like Manner.

(2)  Causeth the Switch that Supplieth large quanities of Voltage to be
Opened and Thusly Tagged, so that Thy Days in this Earthly vale of Tears
may be Long.

(3)  Prove to thyself that all Circuits that Radiateth, and Upon Which
thou Workest, are Grounded, and have their Power Reduced or Removed,
lest they lift Thee to thy Radio Frequency Potential and causeth Thee to
Act like a Radiator also.

(4)  Tarry not amongst those Fools that engage in Intentional Shock; for
Verily they are surely Non-Believers and are not Long for this World.

(5)  Take care that thou Useth the Proper Method when thou takest
Measurements of High Voltage, lest thee Incinerate both thyself and thy
Meter.  While Thee hath no account Number and can therefore be Easily
Replaced, thy Meter doth have an Account Number and as a Consequence,
replacement bringeth much Woe unto the Supply Room and Purchasing
Officer.

(6)  Tamperest not with Interlocks and safety Switches, for this
Incurreth the Wrath of thy Supervisor and bringeth the Fullness of the
Fury of the Safety Inspector down upon thy meager Head and Shoulders.

(7)  Workest not on Fully-Energized Equipment, for if thou so Dost, thy
Funeral Home shall surely Console thy Widow.

(8)  Workest not on Equipment alone, for electrical Cooking is a
slothful process and Thou might Sizzle in Thy own Fat for Hours upon the
Circuit before thy Maker sees fit to end thy Misery.

(9)  Triflest not with Radioactive Tubes and Substances, lest thou
Commence to Glow in the Dark like the Firefly, and thy Spouse have no
Further use for Thee except thy Wages.

(10) Thou must forceth thyself to Document all Modifications made by
Thee upon Equipment, lest thy Successor tear his Hair out and go slowly
Mad in His attempt to Decide what manner of Creature hath made a Nest in
the Wiring of such Equipment.

--
Bob Morrow
N7PTM
USAF Tops In Blue 1988
"Hey Beavis! Not that switc.."#R5\4#$%^D&   NO CARRIER



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:03:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (WARREN WHITBY)
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Subject: 2 Cellphones and 1 Number
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>One of the local Phoenix cellular carriers is advertising two or more
>cellular phones on the same number as an available feature.

I think it's a GREAT idea.  I would love to have one of the little flip phones
to carry with me, but I am not going to pay another $25+ a month for a
basic service plan (I've got two already!)

If Cellular One would let me get another phone on the same number, I'd
purchase another phone today!

Warren Whitby
73s de KE4ITL




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:03:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (FREICHERT)
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Subject: Re: 2m 50watt installation in 1990 Buick Century
Date: 15 Aug 1995 20:18:19 -0400
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We have run many a 100 watt 155 MHz Motorola transmitter in Century and
other GM cars of the period with no trouble, while using the broadcast
antenna and a coupler as the radiating element.  In many cases the bc
antenna is directly above and maybe three feet from many of these car's
brains in the right kick panel.  We use stub matching and an ASP619
coupler so the radio thinks things are ok, but the actual SWR on the
antenna is 5 or 6 to 1 at least.  Usually the bc radio audio amp pops when
the tx is keyed, but have never damaged one.
Most of the problems we have run into are the other way around, the car
interfering with the radio, expecially those that have predominantly
electronic dashboards.  Sometimes the cruise control generates signals
too--they are not stable and usually bother one channel at a time--of
course with a two meter rig, you will be frequency hopping more, probably,
so the potential for problems is greater.
With antenna installed on the roof or trunk, less computer hash is noted.
Bill N9HH


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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
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A few of us would like to put our vintage 2 meter AM sets on the air
and we were wondering what part of the 2m band we might set up shop in.

Anybody out there play around with 2m AM and if so, where are you operating?

73,
Ken
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From: [e-mail] (Tony Smithson)
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I am considering buying a transverter to work 2m SSB.  I've only seen
one supplier and that's Down East Microwave.  They offer a 144-28 Mhz
version with 25 watts out. Has anyone used a transverter and if so, what
were you're impressions?  Sounds too good to be true.  $400 versus $1600
for an all mode VHF rig.

What are the limitations of such a set up? Can you do FM or is the FM
from an HF rig "different"?

I am planning to use it with a Kenwood TS-850 SAT. If you've used
anything like this, I would appreciate your input.

73 de KN4TX
Tony

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From: [e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington)
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In article <3ugr0j$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I would like to offer an opposing opinion on how well TASMA is managing
>spectrum and its acceptance among the Southern California Ham community.
>
>An excerpt from the recent Newsline:
>
>>                         TASMA RECALL
>>  The head of Southern California's Two Meter repeater
>>coordination council has been recalled.  By a[sic] approximate three to
>>two majority vote, that itself may be questionable, Attorney
>>Sidney Radus, N6OMS, has been removed form[sic] his role as leader of
>>the TASMA political structure.

A certain amount of discord can be a sign of vitality in an organization.
Compare the amount of political discussion in the US to say, Iraq.

Does anyone know what Sid did to get booted out?  He originally was CLARA's
lawyer during the recent controversies involving that repeater.  My faint
recollection was that Clara packed the meeting and got him elected.  There
was some bad feeling about this.

I'd appreciate more info on what went on.  I've been too busy to keep up
with such matters of late.


--
Roger J. Buffington
1L, USC Law School
[e-mail]
AB6WR
Go Trojans!
WARPing with IBM OS/2 3.0 and PM-Mail
Scotty, beam me up...



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:03:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David C. Miller)
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I am writing about my recent experience purchasing my mobile rig, a Icom
IC-2700H. I purchased from Ham Radio Outlet (via mail order) and the order was
handled professional and rapidly. The salesperson ansewered all of my
questions without hesitation or resistance. I also ordered a add-in module (a
tone squelch unit). He indicated that the squelch unit was not in stock in the
store I called and it would be sent from another store. He then called back to
point out that the instructions with the module did not indicate properly the
precautions to be taken when removing the old unit and inserting the new one.
I appriciated him taking time out of his day to call me back to provide
information that was useful to me, but obviously not neccesary for the sale.

There has been much discussion about shipping and handling charges as well. I
just think about this as part of the total price. HRO does not charge a
shipping charge. If some other store were to have a price that was $20 less
and they charge $15 for shipping, does that make the deal any worse since the
total is $5 less?

Well I have rambled on long enough. I just wanted you all to know that I had a
pleasent experience purchasing.

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
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David C. Miller ([e-mail]) wrote:

: There has been much discussion about shipping and handling charges as well. I
: just think about this as part of the total price. HRO does not charge a
: shipping charge. If some other store were to have a price that was $20 less
: and they charge $15 for shipping, does that make the deal any worse since the
: total is $5 less?

I'll have to glance at my HRO catalog later this evening.  Does that mean
that their prices are lower for walk-in customers?

: Well I have rambled on long enough. I just wanted you all to know that I had a
: pleasent experience purchasing.

Glad to hear a positive experience.  By human nature, most of us will tell
the world when we've gotten a raw deal, but not many counter with some
praise.  I've heard some negative reports about our HRO in Anaheim, but
their manager advertises in our club newsletter, and I was treated well when
I visited back in May.  After the ordeal of driving there on various
congested freeways, on a Saturday, no less, I would have been upset with a
bad experience at the store.  I bought about $75 worth of books, and the
salesman seemed friendly enough.

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
[phone] (O)  |   Unix:  "It isn't supposed to be easy...If it
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        SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- Nearly lost amid the World War II
retrospectives is a postwar prank that literally had Japan's
vanquished military leader chewing on the words: ``Remember Pearl
Harbor.''
        A draftee dentist drilled the message in Morse code inside Gen.
Hideki Tojo's dentures while the general was imprisoned in occupied
Japan. The dots and dashes remained for three months before the
secret got out and they had to be removed.
        ``It wasn't anything done in anger,'' recalled E.J. ``Jack''
Mallory, who made full upper and lower dentures for Tojo in 1946.
``It's just that not many people had the chance to get those words
into his mouth.''
    Tojo, who had approved the surprise attack that drew the United
States into the war, asked for the dentures so he could speak
better at his war crimes trial. He was convicted and executed in
1948.
        Mallory, then 22, knew that writing out the words ``Remember
Pearl Harbor'' could get him court martialed. An amateur radio
operator, he decided to inscribe the letters in Morse code instead.
        Also in on the secret was George Foster, who died in 1990. He
was assigned to provide dental services at Sugama Prison near
Tokyo, where he extracted Tojo's teeth and sought Mallory's help in
making the dentures.
        ``I figured it was my duty to carry out the assignment,'' Foster
wrote in 1988. ``But that didn't mean I couldn't have fun with
it.''
        When the dentures were done, Mallory said he and Foster told
other buddies in the dental service.
``We took them on an excursion to the prison to show them our
masterpiece,'' Mallory said. ``The only ones in on this were my
dentist roommates and myself, all sworn to secrecy.''
        But the secret was just too juicy to hold. One of the men wrote
about the escapade to his parents in Texas, they passed it to a
brother, who broadcast it on a local radio station. Suddenly, the
tale of Tojo's teeth was broadcast all over the world.
        Mallory confessed to his commanding officer, who told him to
hide while the story was denied. Late that night, Mallory and
Foster drove to the prison and woke a bewildered Tojo in the middle
of the night to ``borrow'' his dentures.
        Using a crude grinding stone, Mallory removed the dots and
dashes.
        The erasure came just in time. The next morning, a furious
colonel called Mallory and his roommate.
        ``Is there any truth in this report that `Remember Pearl Harbor'
is inscribed in the dentures?''' the colonel barked.
        ``No, sir!'' the men were able to answer truthfully.
        Mallory said he never learned if Tojo found out about the trick,
which was not publicized in the Japanese press. But a dentist who
succeeded Mallory in Japan told him that the general began
complaining about the dentures' looser fit.
        Mallory, now 71, retired a decade ago from his dental practice
in Chico, 90 miles north of Sacramento. Since his military service
ended, he has talked openly about the prank. There is even a
display about it in the Navy Dental Corps Historical Museum in
Bethesda, Md.
        In 1969, Mallory returned to Japan for a reunion with several
Japanese dentists. Over dinner, he told them the tale of Tojo.
        ``They thought it was the funniest thing,'' Mallory said. ``They
all said, `Why didn't you tell us this?'
        ``I said, `well, the timing just didn't seem right.''


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From: [e-mail] (Phil Heaton)
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DZC> Could anyone offer any suggestions on the subject of T/R switches?  I
DZC> need a T/R switch to match a few old transmitters with receivers.  Any
DZC> ideas?  Are there any cheap relays that could get the job done?


There are some good solid state designs in the December 1994 QST.
See pages 25 - 27. The article is about testing different types of diodes
used in T/R switching and the IMD products created/suppressed by the
type used. His test circuit would work fine. Good luck.

Phil, KE4KRT

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20


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Phone: [phone]                Snailmail: 4181 Wash Lee Ct.
Lilburn, GA 30247-7440


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:03:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Damon Z Cassell)
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Subject: Re: Antenna T/R Switch?
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Phil Heaton ([e-mail]) wrote:

: DZC> Could anyone offer any suggestions on the subject of T/R switches?  I
: DZC> need a T/R switch to match a few old transmitters with receivers.  Any
: DZC> ideas?  Are there any cheap relays that could get the job done?


: There are some good solid state designs in the December 1994 QST.
: See pages 25 - 27. The article is about testing different types of diodes
: used in T/R switching and the IMD products created/suppressed by the
: type used. His test circuit would work fine. Good luck.

: Phil, KE4KRT

Thanks for the info, I'll look it up.

73s.


: ----
: Top Of The Rock BBS - Lilburn, GA         SYSOP: Steve Diggs
: Phone: [phone]                Snailmail: 4181 Wash Lee Ct.
: Lilburn, GA 30247-7440

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   Damon Cassell / WU1T    ||  Northeastern University
[e-mail]  ||   Boston, Massachusetts


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:03:52 1995
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You can use a simple relay 'cuz most transmitters have an internal
switch of some kind which closes on xmt.
There are several surplus tube-type T/R switches from B&W and Johnson
that are sometimes found at hamfests/fleamarkets, and there have been a
few in very old QST mags from around the early 1960's.

If you use a relay, it doesn't have to be fancy at HF, a couple amp
contacts will generally do fine.
Regards, Al




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:03:53 1995
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB080
ARLB080 FCC plan considers RFI

ZCZC AG47
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 80  ARLB080
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  August 15, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB080
ARLB080 FCC plan considers RFI

The FCC is considering ''privatizing'' the resolution of radio
frequency interference to consumer electronics devices.  Under the
plan, private repair shops would be used to fix problems ''in the
field.''

FCC representatives spelled out the Commission's concept at a
meeting in Tampa, saying ''Since it is not feasible for the
Commission to attempt to resolve these complaints'' (the most of
which come from Citizens Band operation), ''it is our policy not to
investigate interference to home electronic equipment. Likewise, we
do not offer any protection from interference.''

Over past several years, the FCC has been ''unofficially'' out of the
''retail'' RFI business, and parties who contact the FCC about an
interference problem are asked to work together toward a solution.

Depending on what the local repair shop found, either the shop would
fix the equipment or, in the case of a violation of FCC rules, the
service shop would refer the case back to the FCC for possible FCC
action.  The question of who would pay was not addressed.

The ARRL, which had responded to an FCC request for input before the
meeting, was represented at the meeting by several local volunteer
officials, in consultation with ARRL Laboratory Supervisor Ed Hare,
KA1CV.
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SB DX @ ARL $ARLD044
ARLD044 DX news

ZCZC AE20
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DX Bulletin 44  ARLD044
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  August 17, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB DX ARL ARLD044
ARLD044 DX news

This week's bulletin was made possible with information provided by
Tedd, KB8NW, Rolf, SM5MX, Hans, K0HB, Bruce, WA3RHW, Bob, N8CW,
K6URI, W3HG, Joe, NJ1Q, the OPDX Bulletin and Contest Corral from
QST.  Thanks to all.

LAOS, XW.  Andreas, DK9LM and ex-TA1ZE, is in Laos for 20 months and
will try to obtain a license to operate.

MADAGASCAR, 5R.  Shun, JF1MGI/VK9MG, will be in Madagascar until the
end of September to conduct medical studies, specifically the
ecosystems of rare animals.  Radio activity will be concentrated
during the third week of September using the call sign 5R8EU, with
an emphasis on RTTY, PacTOR and low bands.  QSL to his home CBA.

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, A6.  Listen for newly licensed amateurs A61AI
and A61AM.

SLOVENIA, S5.  A recent PacketCluster QSN reported Baldur, DJ6SI,
operating S5/DJ6SI on 7005 kHz around 2230z.

THAILAND, HS.  HS7CDI and 7L1MFS will sign HS2/7L1MFS from the Samet
Islands, AS-107, August 19 and 20.  Check IOTA frequencies.  QSL via
7L1MFS.

LIBYA, 5A.  It has been reported that there are three operators at
the 5A1A club station.  Check 7005 kHz at 2000z for CW and 14207 or
14243 for SSB.  A station signing 5A/G0UCT showed Friday on 14020
kHz between 1515 and 1630z.  This station was a slim.

DXPEDITION NEWS.  Ali, ZP5ALI, will be on the air from Syria as
YK1/ZP5ALI August 22 to 27, from Egypt as SU1/ZP5ALI August 28 to
September 3 and Lebanon as OD5FR September 4 to 14.  He will run SSB
on 20, 15 and 10 meters.  QSL to Fagues Rahal, Avda Pacheco 5257,
Asuncion, Paraguay.

VIETNAM, XV.  Rolf, SM5MX, aka XV7SW, is back home in Sweden.  He
heads back to Hanoi on August 26.  Contrary to earlier reports, he
was not active on 160, 80 or 40 meters, though he has plans to
install antennas for these bands upon his return to Hanoi.
Installing CW filters in his rig is also on the To Do list.  XV7SW
QSL cards were printed and Rolf plans to start sending out cards in
September.

ARUBA, P4.  Jack, N2VW, will be signing P40T from Aruba September 5
to 12.  He will be in on the WAEDC SSB Contest action.  QSL this
operation of P40T via N2VW with SASE/SAE with postage.

TURKS AND CAICOS ISLANDS, VP5.  PA3ERC, PA3EWP, PA3BBP and PA3FQA
will be signing /VP5 from Providenciales Island September 7 to 26,
all bands/modes.  They will sign VP5C for the WAE SSB and CQ WW RTTY
contests.  QSL via PA3ERC.

SAINT MAARTEN.  Mike, K6URI, will be operating as PJ7/K6URI
September 9 to 23 on 40, 20 and 15 meters.  Extra effort will be
made to work novices on 40 meters.  QSL via K6URI w/SASE or postage.
All novices will receive cards, regardless of SASE/postage status.

BERMUDA, VP9. Don, W4ZYT, plans on being active from Southampton
Parish as W4ZYT/VP9 September 16 to 22.  Activity will be mostly CW
on 40 through 15 meters.

WAKE ISLAND, KH9.  Tom, AL7EL, will be active as KH9/AL7EL in late
October.

QSL NOTES.  Bob, N8CW, reports receiving cards for V44KAQ, though he
is not and has never been QSL manager for this station.  QSL V44KAQ
direct.  K2AOQ is receiving cards for V44KAO.  He, too, is not the
QSL manager.  QSL V44KAO direct.

W3HG is receiving QSL cards for C53HG.  The correct QSL manager for
C53HG is W3HCW.

Mike, K6URI, has been receiving cards for the July 1995 operation of
P40Z, though this was NOT his operation.  The P40Z operation by
K6URI was the SSB WPX contest for March 1992 ONLY.  Mike will return
cards received with SASE/postage but cannot send back those without
same.

QSL's for Hamad, 9K2HN should now go via the bureau or direct to
Hamad J. Al-Nusif, PO BOX 29174, 13152 Safat, State of Kuwait.

THIS WEEKEND ON THE RADIO.  Take your pick as there appears to be
something for nearly everyone.  Details on the ARRL 10 GHz
Cumulative, KCJ, and SARTG Worldwide RTTY contests, and the New
Jersey and North American QSO parties appear on pages 114 and 115 in
July QST.  Info on the European DX Contest CW is on page 119 in
August QST.
NNNN
/EX



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Subject: ARLX042 TX balloon launch set
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX042
ARLX042 TX balloon launch set

ZCZC AX12
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 42  ARLX042
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  August 15, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX042
ARLX042 TX balloon launch set

The North Texas Balloon Project has scheduled its seventh high
altitude balloon experiment carrying Amateur Radio payloads on
August 19, 1995.  The payload carries a variety of amateur stations
that can be used by anyone with a Technician class or higher
license.

The launch will be from Clifton, Texas (between Waco and Fort
Worth), at approximately 1430 UTC.  In the event of inclement
weather, the launch will be delayed until the next day, and then to
August 26, if necessary.

The morning of the launch an information net will meet on 7.155 MHz.

Approximately two hours after launch, the balloon is expected to
reach an altitude of 95,000 feet before it bursts.  At this altitude
the radius of radio coverage will be about 370 miles in all
directions, for a 740-mile communication range.  On past missions,
there have been QSOs as far as between Corpus Christi, Texas, and
Salina, Kansas.

Here's a list of some of the experiments on board:

Two crossband FM voice repeaters, open to all:

Uplink: 147.450 MHz, Downlink: 445.850 MHz;
Uplink: 147.570 MHz, Downlink: 445.970 MHz.

1200 baud AFSK packet telemetry: 144.290 MHz.

Amateur television will be supplied by a 10-watt transmitter on
439.250 MHz, vertically polarized (cable TV channel 60).  With a
440-MHz gain antenna and reasonably low noise amplifier, a
cable-ready television set tuned to channel 60 should be able to
receive an acceptable signal, the sponsors say.

QSLs may be had through KG5OA at his Callbook address.
NNNN
/EX



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Subject: ARLX043 Oklahoma hams lauded
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX043
ARLX043 Oklahoma hams lauded

ZCZC AX13
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 43  ARLX043
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  August 15, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX043
ARLX043 Oklahoma hams lauded

Oklahoma Senator Don Nickles has entered into the Congressional
Record a tribute to volunteers who helped in the aftermath of the
April bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City,
including Amateur Radio operators.

Citing an ''outpouring of love, selfless effort, and resources,''
Nickles said the community is ''indebted to those volunteers who
created (a) silver lining'' to the dark cloud of the tragedy.

''Specifically,'' Nickles said, ''Amateur Radio operators provided an
essential service to rescue operations.  Within minutes of the
attack, operators were on the scene providing an emergency
communication network that allowed for the organization of supplies
as well as firemen, policemen, and rescue crews from countless
communities.

''Their contribution of 360 hours of service was made possible by
donations from electronics companies such as the Oklahoma Community
(Communications) Center,'' Nickles said.

Sen Nickles's remarks were published in the August 11, 1995,
Congressional Record, thanks in part to the efforts of ARRL Oklahoma
Public Information Coordinator Thomas M. Webb, WA9AFM.   An article
by Webb about Amateur Radio's role in this matter appears in
September QST.

Also helping, in Washington, was George Stephens, WB3DAC, who is on
the staff of the Senate Republican Policy Committee, of which Sen
Nickles is chairman.  (Stephens also is president of the Capital
Hill Amateur Radio Society, W3USS.)
NNNN
/EX



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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: ARLX044 Hurricane Felix 3
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX044
ARLX044 Hurricane Felix 3

ZCZC AX14
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 44  ARLX044
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  August 16, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX044
ARLX044 Hurricane Felix 3

As of 1500Z, or 11 AM EDT Wednesday, Hurricane Felix is 150 miles
ESE of Cape Hatteras, North Carolina, moving WNW at 12 mph.  It
remains a Category 1 hurricane, with maximum sustained winds of 80
mph.  Some decrease in forward speed is expected over the next 24
hours.  If Felix continues on a direct path for Cape Hatteras, the
storm's center would arrive at midnight tonight.  A hurricane
warning is in effect from Little River Inlet, South Carolina, to
Chincoteague, Virginia.

ARRL North Carolina Section Manager Reed Whitten, AB4W, reports that
the Tar Heel Emergency Net is active on 3923 kHz with an alternate
frequency of 7232 kHz.  Amateurs are requested not to transmit on
these frequencies unless directed to do so by net control stations.
NNNN
/EX




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:03:58 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: ARLX045 James Brown, W6VH, SK
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX045
ARLX045 James Brown, W6VH, SK

ZCZC AX15
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 45  ARLX045
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  August 16, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX045
ARLX045 James Brown, W6VH, SK

James Brown, W6VH, a retired Los Angeles municipal judge and former
Los Angeles city councilman, died July 10, 1995.  He was 89.

He was born in 1906 in Pingree, North Dakota, and moved to
California in 1912.  He was first licensed in 1922 as 6VH, according
to long-time friend Don Goshay, W6MMU.  For many years he worked
with the late Don Wallace, W6AM, on Long Beach, California,
Polytechnic High School class reunions.

Just out of high school, he became a shipboard wireless operator and
then an early disk jockey.  He enrolled in law school in 1934 and
was admitted to the bar in 1939.  During World War II he was
involved in the design of aircraft electronics and radar, but when
peace came he returned to his law practice, while continuing his
work in engineering, according to the late Lenore Jensen, W6NAZ, who
profiled Brown in Worldadio magazine in 1981.

City Councilman Brown represented the Hollywood District and, Goshay
said, was ''well known for his public battles'' with Los Angeles
Mayor Sam Yorty in the early 1960s.  He was appointed to the bench
in 1964 and served as a judge until retiring in 1985.

He was a member of the Radio Club of America and the Society of
Wireless Pioneers (and SOWP president in the early 1980s).  Among
his survivors are his wife, Margaret.
NNNN
/EX




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:03:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Tracy)
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Subject: Re: ARRL WWW
Date: 16 Aug 1995 08:58:57 -0400
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Not to repeat my post of August 1st, but here's the minimalist version:

http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc/arrl.html

ftp - oak.oakland.edu, dir pub/hamradio/arrl (several subdirs)

email - [e-mail]  (a robot mailer - put HELP in the message TEXT for
full instructions)

The complete list of HQ email addresses is available via all three sources -
file name HQ-EMAIL.TXT

73 de Michael Tracy, KC1SX, ARRL Technical Information Services


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:03:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ron angle)
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Subject: Re: ARRL www address?
Date: 16 Aug 1995 05:25:26 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (frank mackenzielamb) writes:
>Hello,
>
>Assuming the ARRL has a www site, does any have the correct address for
>it? if no site the e-mail and bbs number please?
>
>Mny tnx 73 Frank  NG1I
>
The ARRL download BBS is at 1-203-666-0578.



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Otto)
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Subject: ATLANTIC RECORDS SEEKS INTERNS
Date: 17 Aug 1995 22:58:29 GMT
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The LOW POWER RADIO VENTURES DEPARTMENT of Atlantic Records is looking for
fall interns to start immediately.  We are looking for several ambitious
college students who live in the New York City area and have a strong
desire to pursue a
career in the radio or record business upon graduation.  Applicants should
have college level experience in radio/tv, telecommunications, marketing,
or advertising.  You must be able to obtain college credit as this is an
unpaid internship program.  The positions involve approx. 20 hours work
per week.

Applicants should send a cover letter, resume, and 3-minute aircheck tape*
to the following address:

Atlantic Records
Low Power Radio Dept.
Attn:  Garrin Hirschhorn
1290 Avenue of the Americas, 27th Floor
New York, NY  10019


Or you can fax a letter/resume to Garrin at 212-265-7728.


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (VEKINIS Peter)
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Subject: Autopatch on 2-meters outside of U.S.?
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Connection of amateur radio equipment to the phone system is not normally
allowed in Europe (whet else is new).

However some coutries allow it. Germany has some repeaters and some systems
connected to autopatches (contact Dan, DL4VCW at packet address:
[e-mail] for info), Greece has some as well and we are putting
one up in Ireland.

They are all for automatic connection to the police and emergency services.
To access the Emergency services, press *9 (I believe the same with the US).

Best,
Peter, EI4GV
[e-mail]






From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Neil Carleton)
Subject: Badges
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I don't know about communications badges, but Paul Washa, W0TOK,
4916 Three Points Boulevard, Mound, MN, 55364-1245, sells T-shirts
with many amateur radio designs.  It's possible he has badges
too.  I hope this is of help.  Say hi to Paul for me.
--
Neil Carleton
[e-mail]


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Subject: Badges? We don' need no steenkin' badges!
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Ha!




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News from BARTG (the British Amateur Radio Teledata Group)

GB2ATG NEWS BULLETINS
This is being put into the Internet/newsgroups in, as of September, a
sligfhtly different manner.
We hope that there will be minimal interruption for the recipients
of GB2ATG News Bulletins.

DATACOM
BARTG is pleased to announce that the SUMMER issue of its quarterly magazine,
DATACOM,
has now been published. The delay in getting this issue into print was
regretted and was a combination of late-running articles and a heavy
workload at the editor's (paid) job.


73, Ian G4EAN @ GB7BAD   or   ibx @ cs.nott.ac.uk
    (Secretary of BARTG - British Amateur Radio Teledata Group)


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Charlie Fortner)
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Where can I get plans to build a CB signal strength meter?  Or where can I
get one for under $20?  email ([e-mail]) or a post
appreciated.


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Ellington)
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Charlie Fortner ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Where can I get plans to build a CB signal strength meter?  Or where can I
: get one for under $20?  email ([e-mail]) or a post
: appreciated.


This is an easy one. Find a sensitive, microamp meter like the one out of
an old VOM. Put a crystal diode across it. Connect a short piece of wire
to one of the terminals for a antenna. I used one for many years. If it
reads backwards, reverse the diode. If you want to really get fancy,
put a reostat in series with the diode. Thats all there is to it.
--
  Steve
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Herm Perez)
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Subject: Re: building a strength meter
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[e-mail] (Charlie Fortner) wrote:

>Where can I get plans to build a CB signal strength meter?  Or where can I
>get one for under $20?  email ([e-mail]) or a post
>appreciated.

Radio Shacks $20 swr meter has a built in field strength meter

Herm



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Delaney)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can 2M portables do this?
Date: 17 Aug 1995 03:54:19 GMT
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[e-mail] in article ve <[e-mail]> on Mon, 14 Aug 95 01:11:42 PST wrote:

: JH>: > I need a couple portables (hand-helds) that can operate in the 151-154 M


: JH>Nice try. The amateur radio equipment is NOT type accepted for use
: JH>in the commercial bands. For use in the commercial bands, the radios
: JH>MUST be type accepted. Guess your stuck with the higher priced spread

: we all know of the legality issues surrounding modification of radios
: for out of band transmit.  though, contrary to what some like to think,
: there are more modified rigs out there than you'd believe.  i haven't
: owned a single rig that wasn't modified.  i have commercial gear as
: well, but it's always a handy thing to have around.

I've often thought about getting/doing a mod to my 2M ht. Both my local
PD and EMS are in the 154 range. If I was laying bleeding on the side of
the road, I'd risk the penalties of using a non-type accepted radio.
Better than bleeding to death.




--
Matthew Delaney  N2MDB    [e-mail]   ax.25: n2mdb@k2sk.#eny.ny.usa.na
Finger for PGP key      http://www.j51.com:80/~delaney/
BBS: [phone]   FIDO: 1:143/2625.1  -- Licensed to Think for MYself!
 "Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of a
religion; or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the
freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably
to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tom)
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
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[e-mail] wrote:
: [e-mail] writes:
: >[e-mail] writes:

: >Well, yes, why not?  If they've served their time and been released from
: >jail.  Let them try to be productive members of society?

: Again, one wonder how `serving time' makes up for the violence and
: scars the felon has inflicted upon his victims. Maybe conditions of
: granting a license to the criminal should be left up the the victims.

Seeing as how we, as potential and/or former jurors and voters, have
decided the guilt of the person, established punishment as retribution,
inasmuch as our laws allow, and ensured the person served the required
time and paid his/her fines, why should there be additional punishment?
And who has the right to impose such additional restraints on the
ex-felon's rights to be a free citizen again?

Rhetorically posed, no response expected.




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:07 1995
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I've read all the posts about CC&R restrictions. Whether one thinks they
are the sacred rights of the seller, or they are interfering with the
rights of the buyer, there is no denying they can be used as an economic
'stick'. I've bought, and put in offers, on several homes over the years.
I love to see the real estate agents face when I inform them that they
need not show me any homes with restrictive CC&R's, or HOA's. I also make
it a point, being a well qualified buyer, to drop by the models at the new
subdivisions, and ask about CC&R's. People here are correct in that the
CC&R's used are boiler-plate, and I find most of the representatives at
the models have to look them up themselves, not really having any
knowledge of them. Well, it is also fun to see their faces when I tell
them, "No thanks" after they spend the time finding then reading to me
from the contract. I often get offers that they can find someway to work
around them! I think more of us hams ought to do this, let the real
estate agents, developers, and sellers know they are locking themselves
out of an important chunk of the market by using the same, tired old
CC&R's with no thought whatsoever. I won't compromise, and have never
bought a house with restrictive CC&R's. The ARRL, or some national ham
organization should take it as a sacred duty to educate all the great
unwashed mass of hams so none of them buy a home only to find they can't
put up on their own home something so central and important to their hobby.
73 de KB6JOB



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:08 1995
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In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Steve Wilson) writes:
[Some quoted text deleted to save space]

> :                                         Bob W8ERD
>
> ARRL national has attempted from time to time to make such connections
> but my understanding is that they have always been rebuffed.  The
> developer's associations, etc. don't need, nor want our input into
> their business.  A shame really.
>
> Steve KA6S

Perhaps a letter writing campaign from a few thousand hams saying that
they are unwilling to buy new homes with CC&Rs that totaly restrict all
antennas would get a response.  I am willing to live some restrictions
but most CC&Rs restrict all antennas.  I have even seen CC&Rs which
restrict all operation of "shortwave" transmitters and receivers!
So, does anyone know who to write to ?



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From: [e-mail] (Rod Hignite)
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>
> *** Much Deleted ****
>  I think it is high time that we reconsider the amount
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of power these little tyrants sitting on HOA boards give themselves!
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Steve KA6S

In a nutshell - Steve says it all......

Rod - KB3MK



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:09 1995
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RD>Are there any places that sell badges that have something to do with
RD>communications/ham radio. Such as Communications Specialst, or Ham radio
RD>operator.

You can buy a Star Trek "Comm Badge" from Best Products!
(Just kiddin'!)
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Delaney)
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Are there any places that sell badges that have something to do with
communications/ham radio. Such as Communications Specialst, or Ham radio
operator.

I know I could get a custom badge made for about $40, along with a wait
of 5-6 weeks. I just somewhere might have stock ones cheaper.





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On Thu, 17 Aug 1995, Ed Humphries wrote:
> centers). Go to the HAMFEST (it's worth the entrance fee,
> believe me). There in the area where sellers have setup

I love Hamfests. Actually I've got one coming up this weekend (assuming
Hurricane Felix doesn't do something unexpected)
I get about 6 or so that I goto around here (NYC metro area) a year.



They will > allow you to choose color, style, round or square corners,
> and even attachment devices (I prefer the ceramic magnets
> myself). Tell them what you want on the badge and they'll
> cut it on the spot.
I mean badges, as in metal, security/police/fire/ems type badges.. I
already have a name-plate.
I've never seen one of these people selling _badges_ since they require
all sorts of setting equiptment.


> BTW, most large towns have at least one "speciality" store

Didn't think of that though.


Matt
N2MDB
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
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In article <40uf02$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard Delaney) writes:
> Are there any places that sell badges that have something to do with
> communications/ham radio. Such as Communications Specialst, or Ham radio
> operator.
>
> I know I could get a custom badge made for about $40, along with a wait
> of 5-6 weeks. I just somewhere might have stock ones cheaper.

What in the HELL does a ham need a badge for?  I've seen an ad in QST
for such a thing and it made me laugh out loud!  I guess some people
really need to try EVERYTHING to stroke their poor pitiful egos.  I
feel sorry for the person who has to go out and buy a brass badge to
help them feel important.

Cop/Mr. Important wannabees, I guess.

Ken
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3vrcm1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (gregory brown) writes:
: >Jerry B Altzman ([e-mail]) wrote:

: >: Since when is the thrust of Amateur Radio to "improve the human condition"?
: >
: >Sorry, it just seems to me that "enhancing international goodwill" (a
: >stated purpose of Amateur Radio) improves the human condition.  Silly
: >me.

: Silly you indeed. Many DX contacts and behaviors are, in my opinion,
: detrimental to international goodwill. That's true regardless of
: mode, but I have found that those on the digital modes often have
: more to say than those using Morse. Now I believe that the nature
: of the mode used has a good bit to do with that. Perhaps it is because
: they have made the choice to use more than the most rudimentary mode
: of information exchange that the information content is higher.

You can cite bad operating behavior in ANY mode...including digital
modes and (perhaps especially) in voice modes. That says nothing about
the value or worth of a mode.  It perhaps says something about the
operator...or tradition...or even perceived wishes of the person on
the other end of the QSO.  But it says nothing about the mode.

We all know your feelings about Morse.  You have every right to like
it or not and to use it or not.  However, it seems your dislike of it
has lead you to make some inaccurate generalizations and attributions.
You are confusing "operating habits" with "operating modes".
Those who actually have something to say, will (and do) exchange
information quite well in any mode...even Morse.  Those with little
of value to say will exchange little information...in any mode. Your
observation that digital operators have more to say than Morse
operators is most likely biased by your operating habits.  I operate
both Morse and digital modes and find no such difference.

We also are all aware of your feelings about "DXing".
You often cite this activity as particularly heinous and
detrimental to the cause of goodwill.  There is no denying that
certain operating habits of a few DXers are inexcusable, but,
again, attributing this to DXing in general is grossly inaccurate.
And considering that some of the worst "offenses" of Dxing take place
on SSB, it makes no sense to attribute this behavior to the "most
rudimentary mode"...Morse.  Or perhaps you view voice as a rudimentary
form of communication?

It takes two to tango.  The vast majority of DX contacts take place
among willing participants.  A polite stateside operator usually lets
the DX station dictate the course of the QSO...and if they choose to
have short contacts...or long ragchews...it's their choice.  How could
anyone view this obviously mutually enjoyable activity as being
"detrimental to international goodwill"?

One last point you seem to be confused about: The number of words,
letters, bits transferred, or any other volume-measure does not
equate to the rate of "information exchange".  Ever listen to two hams
who have nothing to say to each other?  After ten minutes of
saying nothing they spend five more minutes saying goodbye?  What
valuble information have they really exchanged beyond "UR 599--TNX FER
QSO--73"?

73--Greg





From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <40rsm2$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (gregory brown) writes:
>Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: In article <3vrcm1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (gregory brown) writes:
>: >Sorry, it just seems to me that "enhancing international goodwill" (a
>: >stated purpose of Amateur Radio) improves the human condition.  Silly
>: >me.
>
>: Silly you indeed. Many DX contacts and behaviors are, in my opinion,
>: detrimental to international goodwill. That's true regardless of
>: mode, but I have found that those on the digital modes often have
>: more to say than those using Morse. Now I believe that the nature
>: of the mode used has a good bit to do with that. Perhaps it is because
>: they have made the choice to use more than the most rudimentary mode
>: of information exchange that the information content is higher.
>
>You can cite bad operating behavior in ANY mode...including digital
>modes and (perhaps especially) in voice modes. That says nothing about
>the value or worth of a mode.  It perhaps says something about the
>operator...or tradition...or even perceived wishes of the person on
>the other end of the QSO.  But it says nothing about the mode.

Arguing from the other side of the street now are we? I thought it
was already agreed that Morse loses on strictly technical grounds.
That's how we got here, arguing about how the mode is *used*.

>We all know your feelings about Morse.  You have every right to like
>it or not and to use it or not.  However, it seems your dislike of it
>has lead you to make some inaccurate generalizations and attributions.
>You are confusing "operating habits" with "operating modes".

I thought that was Jeff Herman's specialty. I understand very well
that any mode can be used for any purpose. I also understand that
the characteristics of particular modes will tend to lead usage
in certain directions. For example, no one is likely to attempt
to transmit a binary file in Morse. It *can* be done, using uu-
encoding, but its not likely to happen. The same holds true for
other types of usage, IE the characteristics of the mode influence
how the mode is typically used.

>Those who actually have something to say, will (and do) exchange
>information quite well in any mode...even Morse.  Those with little
>of value to say will exchange little information...in any mode. Your
>observation that digital operators have more to say than Morse
>operators is most likely biased by your operating habits.  I operate
>both Morse and digital modes and find no such difference.

That then, from your own logic, implies you must have little to say
to your contacts. That's a shame, and one of the reasons that I
generalized that low information content exchanges serve little
purpose in enhancing international understanding and goodwill.

>We also are all aware of your feelings about "DXing".
>You often cite this activity as particularly heinous and
>detrimental to the cause of goodwill.  There is no denying that
>certain operating habits of a few DXers are inexcusable, but,
>again, attributing this to DXing in general is grossly inaccurate.
>And considering that some of the worst "offenses" of Dxing take place
>on SSB, it makes no sense to attribute this behavior to the "most
>rudimentary mode"...Morse.  Or perhaps you view voice as a rudimentary
>form of communication?

Bringing in SSB is a strawman. I have no intention of defending voice
operation in this regard. It is, as you note, often even worse in
regards to contributing to a negative image of Dxers than Morse
operation. That's because of its nature as a non-text mode. People
tend to engage their mouths before engaging their brains. Any text
mode, including Morse, tends to lead to a more considered exchange.
That's not to condemn voice modes altogether, of course. There are
also advantages to that immediacy and intimacy in human exchanges.
Voice can often convey nuance in a way that would take pages of text
to convey. This too is a function of the ability to convey information
content. Information is conveyed not just by the words we use, but
also by how we say them.

>It takes two to tango.  The vast majority of DX contacts take place
>among willing participants.  A polite stateside operator usually lets
>the DX station dictate the course of the QSO...and if they choose to
>have short contacts...or long ragchews...it's their choice.  How could
>anyone view this obviously mutually enjoyable activity as being
>"detrimental to international goodwill"?

If that were even remotely universally true, then I'd agree with you
that the gaming activities have little detrimental effect. But we both
know that it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the barrel, and that
it is the squeaking wheel that gets grease. Far too often, it is the
inconsiderate operator who gets serviced first, just to get him off
the channel. Others then tend to emulate the behaviors that apparently
*work*, and we tend to get bedlam on the bands in the form of nasty
pileups instead of orderly sequential exchanges.

>One last point you seem to be confused about: The number of words,
>letters, bits transferred, or any other volume-measure does not
>equate to the rate of "information exchange".  Ever listen to two hams
>who have nothing to say to each other?  After ten minutes of
>saying nothing they spend five more minutes saying goodbye?  What
>valuble information have they really exchanged beyond "UR 599--TNX FER
>QSO--73"?

Anyone can, of course, waste the information capacity of the mode
they are using. But no one can cram more information into a channel
than it will bear. This is an important distinction. For the operator
who has something to say, a low information rate channel is a considerable
handicap, for those with little or nothing to convey, a high capacity
channel serves, but is mostly wasted. So, again, for those with little
content to convey, the information capacity of the channel is of little
importance. For those with something to convey, the channel needs to
have adequate capacity to convey it fluidly.

Gary
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn C. Masters)
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Well, the way packet is currently implemented on HF that's not totally
: true. Current activity is for the most part pure Aloha, and that only
: offers 18% utilization of channel capacity under contention. That may
: be more capacity than pairs of Morse operators use, but it still isn't
: that great. The TOR modes are more efficient on HF at this time at
: utilizing the channel, but, like Morse, they can't share it seamlessly
: with others. And, give the devil its due, Morse operators operating QSK
: can *interrupt* each other's transmissions between characters while packet
: and TOR modes have to wait until the end of a frame. Of course frames are
: short for the TOR modes, 3 characters for AMTOR, so that's not a big deal.
: It's a bigger deal for packet where frame lengths are typically around
: 40 characters plus frame overhead.

        What your looking for is a slotted Aloha.  The designers of orbital
packet systems have the same problems, and have reached some good solutions
(as much as 32% utlization).

: Clover has given us a clue as to what a good HF modem can do, and
: more efficient packet protocols are possible, even the old Vancouver
: protocol had less overhead. HF packet might best be served by a
: token passing protocol, or not, that would take more extensive
: analysis to determine. For sure CSMA as it's now implemented isn't
: a good model for HF. Karn's demand access model looks much better
: for example.

        The military's long haul HF lines would be another place to look for
effecient methods of utilizing this band.  I would stay away from token
passing, since token regeneration would have to be done quite often.

        73,
                Shawn
                KE4GHS


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:17 1995
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Subject: CW on Tojo's Dentures
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CHICO DENTIST RECALLS DRILLING
æREMEMBER PEARL HARBORÆ
ON TOJOÆS 1946 DENTURES

Ann Bancroft
Associated Press

SACRAMENTO - As the world commemorated the 50th anniversary of Japan's
World War II surrender this week, E.J. "Jack" Mallory was remembering
Gen. Hideki TojoÆs dentures.

The retired Chico dentist was a draftee stationed in occupied Japan
when, in a youthful prank with post-war revenge, he drilled a Morse
code message into imprisoned Japanese prime ministerÆs dentures.

ôRemember Pearl Harbor" was literally chewed-on by the man who
approved the surprise attack that drew the U.S. into World
War II.  The secret message remained in Tojo's mouth for three months.

"It wasn't anything done in anger," said Mallory, who made full upper
and lower dentures for the prime minister before Tojo was hanged as a
war criminal in late 1948.  "It's just that not many people had the
chance to get those words into his mouth."

Mallory, then 22, knew that drilling "Remember Pearl Harbor" in
English could lead to a court martial.  An amateur radio operator, he
decided to inscribe the letters in the dots and dashes of Morse code
with a round dental drill.

ôThe only ones in on this were my dentist roommates and myself, all
sworn to secrecy lest (roommate) George and I find ourselves in deep
trouble," he said.

George Foster, who hailed from Iowa and is now dead, was assigned to
provide dental services at Sugama Prison, where he extracted Tojo's
teeth and sought Mallory's help in making the dentures.

"I was naturally excited to be able to see and meet one of the
world's then-most famous (or infamous) persons - second only to
Adolf Hitler," Mallory wrote in a memoir at his children's urging.
"But the man I met was not the ferocious-looking "Tojo the Razor" we
had seen for so many years in photos and caricatures, but rather a
tired, grandfatherly looking older man."

After many visits over several weeks, Mallory finished the dentures
in the fall of 1946.

In February, 1947, two classmates of one of Mallory's dental service
buddies arrived and were let in on the secret.

"We took them on an excursion to the prison to show them our
masterpiece," Mallory said.  The dentists called Tojo to the prison
dental office, ostensibly to examine the dentures.

[Monterey County Herald, 16 AUG 95, p. 4C]
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Couldn't find him in the callbook, however.  Anybody know the
callsign of E.J. "Jack" Mallory?

Aloha+73 de Greg [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Larry Shilkoff)
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Subject: Re: CW on Tojo's Dentures
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In <40t36b$[e-mail]> Greg Pool <[e-mail]>
writes:
>
>"I was naturally excited to be able to see and meet one of the
>world's then-most famous (or infamous) persons - second only to
>Adolf Hitler," Mallory wrote in a memoir at his children's urging.
>"But the man I met was not the ferocious-looking "Tojo the Razor" we
>had seen for so many years in photos and caricatures, but rather a
>tired, grandfatherly looking older man."
>
>After many visits over several weeks, Mallory finished the dentures
>in the fall of 1946.
>
>In February, 1947, two classmates of one of Mallory's dental service
>buddies arrived and were let in on the secret.
>
>"We took them on an excursion to the prison to show them our
>masterpiece," Mallory said.  The dentists called Tojo to the prison
>dental office, ostensibly to examine the dentures.
>
>[Monterey County Herald, 16 AUG 95, p. 4C]
>---
>
>Couldn't find him in the callbook, however.  Anybody know the
>callsign of E.J. "Jack" Mallory?
>
>Aloha+73 de Greg [e-mail]

There's an Emery J. Mallory, N4ZN born April 1, 1922.




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:18 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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Dana Myers enscribed thusly:

DM>Hmmmm.... transmitting an umodulated CW carrier certainly is the easiest
DM>thing to do, but if you actually want to send Morse code, you end up
DM>having to modulate the carrier with Morse coded OOK, a form of AM.
             ||||||||

Not hardly Dana. You can't modulate a carrier when it is turned off!
There is no modulation in morse CW.
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Love believes the best of others.



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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Brian Carling <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
>
>Dana Myers enscribed thusly:
>
>DM>Hmmmm.... transmitting an umodulated CW carrier certainly is the easiest
>DM>thing to do, but if you actually want to send Morse code, you end up
>DM>having to modulate the carrier with Morse coded OOK, a form of AM.
>             ||||||||
>
>Not hardly Dana. You can't modulate a carrier when it is turned off!
>There is no modulation in morse CW.

Turning a carrier on and off *is* a form of modulation.  In fact,
turning a carrier on and off is sometimes called "on-off-keying",
or "OOK".  It should be obvious that that a modulation scheme
where a carrier is either full amplitude or zero amplitude
and the frequency (ideally) doesn't change is a form of
amplitude modulation (AM).  Just like other forms of AM,
there are sidebands on a Morse coded CW signal; the amplitude
and width of the sidebands depend on the rise/fall time of the
keying and the rate of keying.  This is pretty basic radio
theory covered in the ARRL Radio Amateur's Handbook (didn't you
learn it for the Extra exam?).

--
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 * [phone]               | mine and do not necessarily   *
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Kilgore)
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 16 Aug 1995 18:09:52 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:
|> Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
|>
|> Dana Myers enscribed thusly:
|>
|> DM>Hmmmm.... transmitting an umodulated CW carrier certainly is the easiest
|> DM>thing to do, but if you actually want to send Morse code, you end up
|> DM>having to modulate the carrier with Morse coded OOK, a form of AM.
|>              ||||||||
|>
|> Not hardly Dana. You can't modulate a carrier when it is turned off!
|> There is no modulation in morse CW.
|> ---
|>  ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Love believes the best of others.
|>

Not true, strictly speaking. Keying a carrier does in fact generate
sidebands. How much spectrum the sidebands occupy is dependent on keying
rate and the rise and fall times of the carrier. Try listening to
high-speed CW through a very narrow filter sometime. The blurring together
of the dits and dahs is a result of filtering out some of the information in
the sidebands.

73,
Jeff, KC1MK


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From: [e-mail] (michael silva)
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 17 Aug 1995 00:18:49 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey
D. Angus) writes:
>
>
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>  > Dana Myers enscribed thusly:
>  >
>  > DM>Hmmmm.... transmitting an umodulated CW carrier certainly is
the easiest
>  > DM>thing to do, but if you actually want to send Morse code, you
end up
>  > DM>having to modulate the carrier with Morse coded OOK, a form of
AM.
>  >              ||||||||
>  >
>  > Not hardly Dana. You can't modulate a carrier when it is turned
off!
>  > There is no modulation in morse CW.
>
>  BZZZZT! Wrong. But thank you for playing.
>
>  On-Off Keyed Morse Code is similar to using a square wave (bi-state)
to
>  drive an AM (Amplitude Modulator) to 100% modulation. (In effect.)

This is really a semantics game, but I am curious why I can't receive
these AM-CW signals using an envelope detector? (Psss-p-psss-pt
psss-psss-p-psst doesn't count <g>)

Mike, KK6GM



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From: [e-mail] (Richard McAllister)
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 16 Aug 95 18:59:24
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In article <40u1t9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (michael silva) writes:

   This is really a semantics game, but I am curious why I can't receive
   these AM-CW signals using an envelope detector? (Psss-p-psss-pt
   psss-psss-p-psst doesn't count <g>)

Because Morse-considered-as-AM would detect to about a 3 Hz audio tone. Note
CTCSS schemes consider even up beyond 250 Hz "subaudible" since
communications-type receivers don't pass them through the audio stages.
Even hi-fi audio only goes down to about 20 Hz, because that's where human
ears give out.

Rich

(derivation of 3 Hz:  "PARIS" has 14 dots and dashes, assume 20 WPM so
it takes 5 seconds to send, 14/5 is about 3.)
--
Rich McAllister ([e-mail])


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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 17 Aug 1995 01:38:39 GMT
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In article <40u1t9$[e-mail]>,
michael silva <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey
>D. Angus) writes:
>>
>>
>>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>
>>  > Dana Myers enscribed thusly:
>>  >
>>  > DM>Hmmmm.... transmitting an umodulated CW carrier certainly is
>the easiest
>>  > DM>thing to do, but if you actually want to send Morse code, you
>end up
>>  > DM>having to modulate the carrier with Morse coded OOK, a form of
>AM.
>>  >              ||||||||
>>  >
>>  > Not hardly Dana. You can't modulate a carrier when it is turned
>off!
>>  > There is no modulation in morse CW.
>>
>>  BZZZZT! Wrong. But thank you for playing.
>>
>>  On-Off Keyed Morse Code is similar to using a square wave (bi-state)
>to
>>  drive an AM (Amplitude Modulator) to 100% modulation. (In effect.)
>
>This is really a semantics game, but I am curious why I can't receive
>these AM-CW signals using an envelope detector? (Psss-p-psss-pt
>psss-psss-p-psst doesn't count <g>)

Oh, Mike, you know the answer; the fundemental frequency of the
modulating signal is fairly low.  A sequence of dits sent at
20 WPM is the same as sending an alternating one/zero (1010101010...)
pattern at 16 baud.  Since each one/zero cycle corresponds to a
single square wave cycle, the 16baud number is divided by 2 to
yield the highest fundamental frequency, which is 8Hz.  Higher
harmonics will be present, of course, depending on the shaping of
the one/off transition; an ideal square wave would have a great
number of odd harmonics present (these are the key clicks you
sometimes hear).  So, under ideal conditions you'd hear
a signal darn close to DC, and the ear isn't very good at dealing
with this.

In real life, we listen to Morse code signals with a fairly
high level of background noise.  Most of our radios have
AGC which will increase the noise level in the absence of
a signal but decrease the noise in the presence of a
DC carrier.  The Morse signal, if envelope detected, would
pump the AGC and that would add some other low frequency
components.

--
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 * [phone]               | mine and do not necessarily   *
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:23 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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I was going by the dictionary. If "ON AND OFF" means the exact same
thing as "VARIATION" then I guess you are right. Doesn't matter much
though... 73 - Brian

DM>>Not hardly Dana. You can't modulate a carrier when it is turned off!
DM>>There is no modulation in morse CW.

DM>Turning a carrier on and off *is* a form of modulation.  In fact,
DM>turning a carrier on and off is sometimes called "on-off-keying",
DM>or "OOK".  It should be obvious that that a modulation scheme
DM>where a carrier is either full amplitude or zero amplitude
DM>and the frequency (ideally) doesn't change is a form of
DM>amplitude modulation (AM).  Just like other forms of AM,
DM>there are sidebands on a Morse coded CW signal; the amplitude
DM>and width of the sidebands depend on the rise/fall time of the
DM>keying and the rate of keying.  This is pretty basic radio
DM>theory covered in the ARRL Radio Amateur's Handbook (didn't you
DM>learn it for the Extra exam?).
---
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Richard McAllister) writes:
>In article <40u1t9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (michael silva) writes:
>
>   This is really a semantics game, but I am curious why I can't receive
>   these AM-CW signals using an envelope detector? (Psss-p-psss-pt
>   psss-psss-p-psst doesn't count <g>)
>
>Because Morse-considered-as-AM would detect to about a 3 Hz audio tone. Note
>CTCSS schemes consider even up beyond 250 Hz "subaudible" since
>communications-type receivers don't pass them through the audio stages.
>Even hi-fi audio only goes down to about 20 Hz, because that's where human
>ears give out.

Ah, Rich, you haven't listened across HF with an old envelope detector
receiver I see. A nice strong OOK Morse signal does go hiss-de-hiss,
and often thump-de-thump too. Unfortunately, the sense of the hisses
and silences are reversed from normal Morse. The carrier's presence
creates a "quieting" effect in the receiver, and its absence creates
a band noise hiss. If you can warp your brain right, you can copy it.
It's not something you'd want to attempt with a weak signal, or in
interference, but it does sort of work.

And BTW back on topic, On-Off Keying *is* a modulation method, one
of the most primitive possible. It even generates *sidebands* just
like any other AM modulation. Hmmm, wonder if we could exploit
that and develop single sideband CW. Just think of it, half the
bandwidth, and 8 times the effectiveness, just like with DSB AM
versus SSB voice.

Lets see, the carrier is mighty close to the sidebands, so filter
methods would be tough. Looks like a job for a DSP IQ modulator,
ala SSB phasing systems. Once we get rid of that nasty power wasting
carrier, we can cut down on interference in the Morse segments
something wonderful. All we'd have would be half-clicks at an
average 3 Hz rate. We should be able to detect those and use a
paralleled FIR filter and Hilbert transformer to recover I and Q,
then use a reconstruction filter on the sum to recover the original
keying waveform. It could even be copied by ear if we rigged it up
to drive a sounder. Hey, this has possibiiities!

Of course OOK is incoherent, and Morse is non-uniform, so we'd
do better with other digital codes, but something 8 times better
than present OOK Morse use isn't something to lightly ignore.
Come on all you Morse guys, get with the program, move up to
single sideband Morse. :-)


Note: while I'm having a bit of fun, all this is true. We really
could do single sideband Morse, and it should really be about
8 times more effective, just like SSB voice versus DSB AM voice.
And they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. :-)

Gary
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:25 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 17 Aug 1995 15:32:41 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Brian Carling <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Not hardly Dana. You can't modulate a carrier when it is turned off!
>There is no modulation in morse CW.

No information can be carried by CW unless one modulates the carrier
amplitude and/or phase. The Morse modulation can be represented by
it's Fourier series equivalent sum of sine waves, just as a human
voice can. I agree, "You can't modulate a carrier when it is turned
off" but you can't send Morse code either when it is turned off. :-)

So AM is alive and well on the HF CW bands (yeah, I know "HF CW" is
redundant for ham frequencies).

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


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Date: 17 Aug 1995 16:40:51 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Jason Godfrey <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Ignoreing the part about "voice" sounds, Morse does seem to match this
>definition.

It matches the definition if one ignores the words used in the
definition?  :-)

>An FM transmitter is much more complex. A basic CW transmitter is just an
>oscilator set to the desired freqeuncy and hooked up to a switch.

And an FM transmitter is just an oscillator hooked up to a microphone.
I built one 40 years ago. Single tube oscillator and a carbon mike.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


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From: [e-mail] (Ross Alexander)
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[e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:

>Not hardly Dana. You can't modulate a carrier when it is turned off!
>There is no modulation in morse CW.

If there's no modulation, pray tell us what carries the information?
I really wonder how some people get on the air with such a deficient
knowledge of theory...

regards,
Ross ve6pdq
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In article <4105gl$[e-mail]>,
Ross Alexander <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:
>
>>Not hardly Dana. You can't modulate a carrier when it is turned off!
>>There is no modulation in morse CW.
>
>If there's no modulation, pray tell us what carries the information?
>I really wonder how some people get on the air with such a deficient
>knowledge of theory...
>
The presence or absence of carrier is the only source of information.
It's just a lot less than meets the eye....

-John KE6DTC

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:27 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 17 Aug 1995 21:24:46 GMT
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In article <40u1t9$[e-mail]>,
michael silva <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>This is really a semantics game, but I am curious why I can't receive
>these AM-CW signals using an envelope detector? (Psss-p-psss-pt
>psss-psss-p-psst doesn't count <g>)

If your speaker, ears, and brain can handle 2 to 20 Hz with associated
phase information, you shouldn't have any problem. :-) I actually learned
CW on an old Philco AM/shortwave receiver with no BFO. It was a little
like telegraph with nothing but clicks.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 17 Aug 1995 22:03:30 GMT
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In article <4107rn$[e-mail]>,
John Minger <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <4105gl$[e-mail]>,
>Ross Alexander <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>[e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:
>>
>>>Not hardly Dana. You can't modulate a carrier when it is turned off!
>>>There is no modulation in morse CW.
>>
>>If there's no modulation, pray tell us what carries the information?
>>I really wonder how some people get on the air with such a deficient
>>knowledge of theory...
>>
>The presence or absence of carrier is the only source of information.
>It's just a lot less than meets the eye....

The presence or absence of the carrier *is* the modulation; though
it has been said before, imagine for a moment an AM transmitter
that is modulated with a baseband digital signal of a low
baud rate.  That's Morse coded CW.  It is just the same
as modulating the carrier with an audio tone, except the
modulation shape and frequency are different.  *All* of rules
still apply.  Have a look at the discussion in the ARRL Handbook;
my 1994 copy explains this all pretty well.


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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn C. Masters)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 17 Aug 1995 21:57:25 GMT
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Brian Carling ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
: Dana Myers enscribed thusly:

: DM>Hmmmm.... transmitting an umodulated CW carrier certainly is the easiest
: DM>thing to do, but if you actually want to send Morse code, you end up
: DM>having to modulate the carrier with Morse coded OOK, a form of AM.
:              ||||||||

: Not hardly Dana. You can't modulate a carrier when it is turned off!
: There is no modulation in morse CW.

        Any time you introduce a non linearity there is a modulation.  Last
time I checked turning on and off is non-linear.  In fact that is how
modulation is done with diodes.  Hmmmm.  It also widens the signal by the
an amount inversly proportional to your switching frequency.  Hmmm.

        73,
                Shawn
                KE4GHS


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:30 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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From: [e-mail]

ROTFLL! I just love this stuff, he he he!
Gary you really are the biggest BS'er on here!

GC>Note: while I'm having a bit of fun, all this is true. We really
GC>could do single sideband Morse, and it should really be about
GC>8 times more effective, just like SSB voice versus DSB AM voice.
GC>And they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. :-)

GC>Gary

Go ahead. We will wait for your first construction article for SSB CW
to appear in QST. Bet it will be a while!
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ D.C. lane change: 9mm Uzi required!


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 18 Aug 1995 13:35:51 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Brian Carling <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I was going by the dictionary. If "ON AND OFF" means the exact same
>thing as "VARIATION" then I guess you are right. Doesn't matter much
>though... 73 - Brian

It's on, and then it's off. It varies. _Ergo_, there is a variation.

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
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Subject: CW, we need it.
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  > Dana Myers enscribed thusly:
  >
  > DM>Hmmmm.... transmitting an umodulated CW carrier certainly is the easiest
  > DM>thing to do, but if you actually want to send Morse code, you end up
  > DM>having to modulate the carrier with Morse coded OOK, a form of AM.
  >              ||||||||
  >
  > Not hardly Dana. You can't modulate a carrier when it is turned off!
  > There is no modulation in morse CW.

  BZZZZT! Wrong. But thank you for playing.

  On-Off Keyed Morse Code is similar to using a square wave (bi-state) to
  drive an AM (Amplitude Modulator) to 100% modulation. (In effect.)

  You could say you are driving a 50 watt station either to 100 watts or 0
  watts. Or you could say you are turning a 100 watt station on or off.

  Interestingly enough, most of the S line Collins gear was really Tone
  modulated SSB. They keyed an audio tone on and off, and with the quality
  of carrier and opposite sideband rejection they had, they were within
  the requirements of the FCC for spectral purity.

  If you're gonna argue about this stuff, make sure you're right before you
  claim the other guy is wrong.

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;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DCG Mktg Docmnt (Ivrea))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Subject: Drake TR7 help
Date: 17 Aug 1995 17:22:07 GMT
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I have the problem with the receiver part of the transceiver Drake TR7
serial number 6052.  The audio reproduction is not clear compared with
the other trtx connected to the same antenna and tuned to the same signal.
I don't know if it is a fault of the my rtx , or the rtx produced at a certain
period, and if successive versions have eliminated the problem, and how.
Is anybody able to help me?

Tanks in advance

My e-mail address is:   [e-mail]






From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Drake TR7 help
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In article <40vtrv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (DCG Mktg Docmnt (Ivrea)) writes:
>I have the problem with the receiver part of the transceiver Drake TR7
>serial number 6052.  The audio reproduction is not clear compared with
>the other trtx connected to the same antenna and tuned to the same signal.
>I don't know if it is a fault of the my rtx , or the rtx produced at a certain
>period, and if successive versions have eliminated the problem, and how.
>Is anybody able to help me?

What do you mean, "is not clear"? Do you mean the frequency response is
not flat across the bandwidth of the filter in use, or do you mean that
the audio is distorted, or do you mean that the signal is weak and noisy,
etc? More information please. Detail the symptoms, and the conditions under
which they appear, and we'll try to help.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Zinski)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Dressler ARA30 antenna - HELP!
Date: 17 Aug 1995 12:16:38 GMT
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Anyone know anything about a Dressler ARA30 Active Receiving Antenna?  I
was given one and do not know what the antenna should be used for.

                                        --Steve

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Kirkby)
Subject: Re: Dressler ARA30 antenna - HELP!
Sender: [e-mail] (Usenet News System)
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In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Steve Zinski) writes:
> Anyone know anything about a Dressler ARA30 Active Receiving Antenna?  I
> was given one and do not know what the antenna should be used for.
Dont know the antenna, but they are always receive only antennas. They are often
wide-band. Quite often electrically short. They are essentially low noise amps,
fitted with an antenna. Even at HF, they are low noise. Whilst this may seem odd,
since the cosmic noise at HF is high, since the antenna is short, it does not pick
up much noise, so there is an advantage in haing a low noise.




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (frank mackenzielamb)
Subject: Drop Code? No way!
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No to dropping the code...that simple.

73 De Frank
NG1I nr Boston



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? No way!
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In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (frank mackenzielamb) writes:
>No to dropping the code...that simple.

Okay, Yes to dropping the code (probably replacing it with some other examination
requirement(s)).

Now we're even.....

;-)

P.S. I've set the Followup-To: line to rec.radio.amateur.policy, which is more
appropriate for this kind of thread.


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 * [phone]               | mine and do not necessarily   *
 * [e-mail]      | reflect those of my employer  *




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Drop Code? No way!
Date: 18 Aug 1995 00:14:43 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (frank
mackenzielamb) writes: > No to dropping the code...that simple.

>
> 73 De Frank
> NG1I nr Boston

I agree. I hate searching around for an open frequency on SSB and CW sounds so
much cleaner to me.

Tony

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== [e-mail]
== Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a nation.


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No way!
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In article <40rjnk$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dana
Myers) writes: > In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (frank
mackenzielamb) writes: > >No to dropping the code...that simple.

>
> Okay, Yes to dropping the code (probably replacing it with some other
examination > requirement(s)).

>
> Now we're even.....
>
> ;-)

Thpppppttttt... wrong! I set a "no" vote too. Anyone else care to join in?


> P.S. I've set the Followup-To: line to rec.radio.amateur.policy, which is more
> appropriate for this kind of thread.

So considerate of you Dana.

Tony

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== Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR
== [e-mail]
== Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a nation.


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wartburg)
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Subject: Form610v
Date: 15 Aug 1995 21:03:02 GMT
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For the 4 or 5th time I have received notice back from the FCC that the
form 610V is not available or stock has been depleted. Now they say don't
order any till the end of Oct. Anyone tell me what is going on? Is the
ARRL stockpiling these forms?
73, Bob K0LLO



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (JEFF SUMBERG)
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Subject: Re: Form610v
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 18:23:00 -0400
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BW>For the 4 or 5th time I have received notice back from the FCC that the
  >form 610V is not available or stock has been depleted. Now they say don't
  >order any till the end of Oct. Anyone tell me what is going on? Is the
  >ARRL stockpiling these forms?

I heard that  the Budget Office hadn't approved them yet, and that they
haven't even been printed. Availability was due to be October (or
later).

"Red Tape" don't hold your breath!

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Max Sabo)
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Subject: Re: Form610v
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I called the ARRL to ask about these forms.  The August '95 QST says that
the whole vanity callsign program hasn't started yet.  So did the VE I
talked to at ARRL HQ.  They said to send in a SASE to the ARRL HQ.  When
they get them, they will send them out to you.  I don't have the address
with me right now, but you can call them at 203-594-0259.  You will get
the operator at the ARRL. Tell him/her that you want to know if they can
send you a form 610-V.  They will transfer you to another person (I think
in the VE section) and he/she will tell you the address.  The person I
talked to said that they would probably not be ready till Nov. or Dec.

Max

N7NWG



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:40 1995
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According to a recent news release, the 610V has not yet been
produced and/or approved.  Target date is the end of November.
Wonder how many more "target dates" will occur.



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[e-mail] (Bob Wartburg) wrote:

:>For the 4 or 5th time I have received notice back from the FCC that the
:>form 610V is not available or stock has been depleted. Now they say don't
:>order any till the end of Oct. Anyone tell me what is going on? Is the
:>ARRL stockpiling these forms?
:>73, Bob K0LLO

Sounds like a form letter or rubber stamp as far as "stock has been
depleted."

As far as I know the FCC Form 610v has never been available...no one
has ever had them because they have not been produced/published yet.
[Not necessarily in that order]  We'll all just have to be patient and
wait until they do come out.

I think...   <:-D

NWSISKTRA!

73 de
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:41 1995
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From: David Cleaves <[e-mail]>
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I have a 1961 edition of "The Radio Amateur's Handbook" for sale.
Published by the American Radio Relay League, there are over 700 pages of
articles, circuit diagrams, pictures, and advertisements of 1960's
vintage radio equipment.  The manual is complete, with no pen marks on
the pages, but the binding is rather loose in some places.  If
interested, the manual is available for $6 plus $3 postage.  Please email
to "[e-mail]" if you would like additional info.  Thanks, and
best regards.

Dave



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:42 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Joe Subich)
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Subject: Re: FT1000-MP ??
Date: 16 Aug 1995 02:35:50 GMT
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In <40qefg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>
>I just saw a couple of messages on the local Packetcluster concerning Yaesu's
>new HF radio - labelled (in the posts) as a FT1000-MP. The messages indicated
>that it had DSP at one of the IF's, but apart from that there were no other
>details. Apparently, September QST (when it hits the streets) will have a
>full-page ad. for it. Anyone else got any further details?  (Any ideas/guesses
>whether current FT1000s will be upgradeable?)
>

September QST does, indeed have a full page ad for the FT-1000MP - it is on
the inside rear cover.

Given the information in the ad (and the picture) the current FT-1000 will not
be upgradable.  The FT-1000MP has a couple of limitations not present in the
FT-1000(D) ... first the sub receiver is limited to "same band" operation  ... the
FT-1000MP is 100 watts.

It looks to me as if the FT-1000MP is an upgrade/enhancement to the FT-990
rather than the FT-1000(D).

          ... Joe Subich, AD8I
             ([e-mail])



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From: [e-mail] (Michael White)
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[e-mail] wrote:

> I just saw a couple of messages on the local Packetcluster concerning Yaesu's
>
> new HF radio - labelled (in the posts) as a FT1000-MP....
> Apparently, September QST (when it hits the streets) will have a
>
> full-page ad. for it. Anyone else got any further details?  (Any
ideas/guesses
>
> whether current FT1000s will be upgradeable?)

The ad is there, and I have a new goal in life: to own that radio! It is
beautiful, and quite different from the FT-1000D; no upgrade, unless it
includes a new front panel. Can't wait to try one, and to see lab test
results. There were no prices given in the ad; anyone know what it will
sell for? I'm guessing $5,000.

Mike, N4PDY

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Landis - Systems & Network Mgr)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael White) writes:
> The ad is there, and I have a new goal in life: to own that radio! It is
> beautiful, and quite different from the FT-1000D; no upgrade, unless it
> includes a new front panel. Can't wait to try one, and to see lab test
> results. There were no prices given in the ad; anyone know what it will
> sell for? I'm guessing $5,000.
>
> Mike, N4PDY
>

I saw $3K mentioned somewhere - maybe the FRC cluster. If that is indeed true,
I wish I hadn't bought the FT990 last year. Oh well...

Joe - AA3GN
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael White) writes:
>
>There were no prices given in the ad; anyone know what it will
>sell for? I'm guessing $5,000.
>

One of the JAs on the DX reflector reported that the domestic (JA)
price was about 350,000 yen (can't remember the exact number).  At
current exchange rates (aprox. $0.98/yen) that would be about $3,700.
Since the FT-1000 lists at $4229.00 (and should net about $3900) and
the FT-990 lists for $2759, I'm betting the FT-1000MP will list at about
$3495 (without the optional Collins mechanical filters).

Makes me think seriously about selling/trading my second (FT-990) rig.

         ... Joe Subich, AD8I
            ([e-mail])




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RhyneK)
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Subject: Re: FT1000-MP ??
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I saw the ad. It looks to me like an entirely different rig. Output power
is only 100 watts. It looks to me that the way they do the IFs that not
too much would be
exchangable. The 1000mp uses a collins 455 mechanical filter.
Just some thoughts.
                                            de KA1CX


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From: [e-mail] (J.Fitter BV/N0IAT)
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Subject: Re: FT1000-MP ??
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In article <40rli6$[e-mail]>,
>Given the information in the ad (and the picture) the current FT-1000 will not
>be upgradable.  The FT-1000MP has a couple of limitations not present in the
>FT-1000(D) ... first the sub receiver is limited to "same band" operation  ... the
>FT-1000MP is 100 watts.
>
>It looks to me as if the FT-1000MP is an upgrade/enhancement to the FT-990
>rather than the FT-1000(D).
>
>          ... Joe Subich, AD8I
>             ([e-mail])
>


Talked to my friends at T-Zone today about the FT-1011MP.  This is the JA-only
number for the 1000/D.  They claim there is a 200-watt MOSFET final option
available, so the 1000-MP should be upgradable/changeable too..  Perhaps the copy in
QST is mis printed????
--
73 from Joe BV2/N0IAT  Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C.
Ex. 7J1AOF(Japan) KA0ZDH(novice) YU3/N0IAT(Slovenia)
Licensed Radio Amateur since 1986 //comments are mine only



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Good morning. It's Sunday the 20th of August and here is the GB2RS news
broadcast, prepared by the RSGB and intended for all radio amateurs and
short-wave listeners.


We start this week with the news that tropospheric conditions have once
again affected all the VHF and UHF bands, due to the anticyclone centred
over the UK. Colin, GM0CLN, took advantage of this to work 7S6AG, a
special event station at the World Athletics Championships held in
Sweden. And G4NVD, a GB2RS newsreader in Grimsby, reports being called
back with reception reports from Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium and
all over the UK after reading the news on the 6th of August. On the 9th
of August he also made contact with SM7URN at a distance of 980
kilometres while using less than half a watt of SSB on 2 metres.

The RSGB National Convention at the Stafford Amateur Radio and Computer
Show is taking place this weekend, the 19th and 20th of August, at the
County Showground, Stafford. In addition to a large trade show, the
event features on-demand Morse tests, demonstrations, special interest
groups and a bring and buy sale. There is a large RSGB book and
information stand, including an exhibition of photographs of historic
radios and events, with the emphasis on Marconi. RSGB committees are
also in attendance. An official show guide is published in the August
Radio Communication.

The Radio Amateur Invalid and Blind Club, Northern Ireland area, wishes
to acknowledge and thank the members of the Mid-Ulster Amateur Radio
Club for their co-operation and time in arranging a street collection
recently on behalf of RAIBC Northern Ireland. The proceeds will be used
to purchase radio equipment in the province.

The IEE will be staging an International Conference on 100 Years of
Radio at Savoy Place in London between the 5th and 7th of September, at
which a number of radio amateurs will be making significant
contributions. One of the sessions, entitled "Tuning and the Amateur",
is chaired by RadCom 'Technical Topics' columnist Pat Hawker, G3VA. It
will include a paper called "Amateur Radio - Past, Present and Future"
by G3ZCZ, which will be presented by Richard Limebear, G3RWL. Other
contributors include Professor Martin Sweeting, G3YJO, from the
University of Surrey UoSAT programme; and Cecil Ramsbottom, G3BZQ, who
will present a paper called "The Era of the Home Wireless Constructor".
For further details contact IEE's Conference Services on 0171 344 5477
as soon as possible.

The RSGB International HF Convention will take place at Old Windsor in
Berkshire on the 9th and 10th of September. The event will feature
lectures and presentations from some of the world's top HF operators and
DXers, including Martin Atherton, G3ZAY, who will give a talk on
"Sunspots and Propagation". The talk will describe how sunspots affect
HF propagation, why they run in 11-year cycles, how to measure them and
how to tell when a new sunspot cycle has started. Martin will also
explain the mysteries of the 'A' and 'K' indices. There will be a
48-hour contest station operating in the WAE phone contest and, for the
first time, DXCC QSL card checking will be available at the convention.
Further details of the RSGB HF Convention and a synopsis of the lectures
are published on pages 20 and 93 of the August RadCom. Details of the
lecture programme and a booking form can also be obtained from Marcia
Brimson at RSGB Headquarters on 01707 659015.

Now some items of HF DX news from the weekly RSGB DX News Sheet, which
is edited by Chris Page, G4BUE:

From West Malaysia, Neville, G3NUG, is signing 9M2/G3NUG until Monday
the 21st of August. He is operating from an island which counts as
AS-073 for the RSGB IOTA awards. Check around 14260 kHz on SSB.

From Syria, ZP5ALI is planning to be active as YK1/ZP5ALI from Tuesday
the 22nd, until the 27th of August on 10, 15 and 20 metres SSB.

And from Italy, the special station IY1MR is active now, until the 10th
of September, during a Marconi 100th anniversary exhibition organised by
the ARI Rapallo Section and the Marconi Foundation. The station is
active on VHF and UHF as well as all HF bands.

Now news of some special event stations:

The North Norfolk Amateur Radio Group is operating GB100NT from
Sheringham Park this weekend, the 19th and 20th of August, in order to
celebrate the 100th anniversary of the National Trust. Next weekend, the
26th and 27th of August, the Swansea and Port Talbot clubs will operate
GB100NT from Aberdulais Falls.

GR0VLB will be on the air on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays throughout
August, representing the Voluntary Life Brigade in Sunderland.

The Braintree and District Amateur Radio Society is operating GB2OAY
from Andrews Field Aerodrome from Friday the 18th until Sunday the 20th
of August. The club is celebrating its 20th anniversary, and details of
a 20th Anniversary Award can be found in the May edition of RadCom.

The Bangor and District Amateur Radio Society in Northern Ireland is
operating GR4GPF from Grey Point Fort between 10.00 am and 4.00pm this
weekend, the 19th and 20th of August.

The Leicester Radio Society is operating GB5VJ during its open days this
weekend, the 19th and 20th.

The Aberystwyth and District Amateur Radio Society is operating GR0ARA
today, Sunday the 20th, from the Aberystwyth Model Club's annual event
at Blaendolau Fields, Aberystwyth.

GB2SGS will be on the air from "MOOT 95", a camp for over one thousand
Scouts and Guides at the Suffolk Show Ground, near Ipswich, from Friday
the 25th until Monday the 28th of August. The station will be mainly on
80 and 40 metres SSB and CW, and on 2 metres and 70cm SSB and FM.

The Barry Amateur Radio Society will be operating GB5FI from Flat Holm
Island in the Bristol Channel, along with members of the Passau Radio
Club from Bavaria, from Friday the 25th of August, for five days. The
station will be active on HF and VHF, and modes will include Amtor and
Pactor.

Next weekend, the 26th and 27th of August, is the Northern Lighthouse
Weekend, when eleven Scottish special event stations will be active from
lighthouses. The stations will be located in the Shetlands, Orkneys,
Outer Hebrides and mainland Scotland, and will use the callsign GB2L
followed by one or two letters indicating the name of the lighthouse.
Activity will be between 0800 UTC on Saturday and 1700 UTC on Sunday, on
10 to 40 metres, SSB only. A list of the stations participating can be
found on page 33 of the August RadCom and further information can be
obtained from Mike, GM4SUC, on 01292 443127.  And a special event
station in Queensland, Australia with the unusual callsign "VI50 Peace",
that's "V I Five Zero P-E-A-C-E", is active throughout August, September
and October.

Next the Rally News:

The Great Eastern Rally takes place at The Cattle Market, Hardwick
Narrows, near King's Lynn in Norfolk today, Sunday the 20th of August.
The event features a car boot sale, and a spacious indoor area with
national exhibitors and a bring and buy stall. Talk-in will be on 2
metres channel S22.

Also today, the 20th, the West Manchester Radio Club is holding the Red
Rose Rally at Silverwell Street, Bolton. Doors open at 11.00 am, or
10.30am for disabled visitors, and talk-in is on 2 metres channel S22.

The Amateur Radio Caravan and Camping Club rally takes place at
Stratford upon Avon between the 25th and 28th of August. For further
details telephone [phone].

A computer and radio rally will take place on Saturday the 26th of
August at Manchester University Refectory Hall, Oxford Road, Manchester.
For further details call 0161 627 2502.

The Galashiels and District Amateur Radio Society will hold an open day
and radio rally at the Focus Centre, Livingstone Place, Galashiels next
Sunday, the 27th of August. The event features traders, club stalls, a
bring and buy stand, raffles and refreshments. For further information
contact John Campbell, GM0AMB, on 01835 822686.

The Coleraine and District Amateur Radio Society's annual rally will
take place at the Lodge Hotel, Coleraine, next Sunday, the 27th. The
event features a large number of traders, and doors open at midday. For
further details, contact GI8LTB on 01265 58664.

And the Torbay Amateur Radio Society rally will also take place on
Sunday the 27th, at Clenon Valley Leisure Centre, Paignton, in Devon.
The event features traders, special interest stands, a bring and buy
stand, and a restaurant and bar. Details from John, G3YCH, on 01803
842178.

The Huntingdonshire Amateur Radio Society Bank Holiday Monday Rally will
take place on the 28th of August at St Peter's Road, Huntingdon. The
event features two halls and a car boot sale. For further details
contact David, G7DIU, on 01480 431333.

And the annual Wight Wireless Rally will take place on Saturday the 2nd
of September at the National Wireless Museum, Arreton Manor, Newport,
Isle of Wight. The event features traders, a bring and buy stand, and
free admission to the National Wireless Museum. The doors will open at
11.00 am and talk-in will be on 2 metres, channel S22. Further details
are available from Douglas Byrne, G3KPO, on 01983 567665.

There is a proposal for a new 70 centimetre speech repeater. The
proposal is for GB3TC to operate on channel RB1 from Wincanton,
Somerset.

Now for the HF contest news:

There are no RSGB HF Contests either this weekend or next weekend, but
the Japanese KCJ CW contest is taking place this weekend, the 19th and
20th of August. Brief rules are on page 22 of the August Radcom.

And the South-East Asian "SEANET" SSB contest is also taking place this
weekend. Brief rules are on page 20 of the July RadCom.

Next some VHF contest news:

The RSGB 432 MHz Fixed Station and 432 MHz Listeners contests takes
place today, the 20th of August, between 1700 and 2100 UTC. The rules
are in the May edition of RadCom.

And now the solar factual data:

The period from the 7th to the 13th of August saw solar activity at very
low levels, and geomagnetic levels quiet to unsettled. The mean Sunspot
number for the period was 17, but on the 9th the solar disc was
spotless. Solar flux levels declined slightly from 74 units on the 7th,
to 71 units by the 13th, with an average of 73 units. No solar flares
were reported. The electron fluence increased from moderate levels to
high levels on the 9th, whilst the X-Ray flux remained steady and
averaged A2.6 units. The 90-day solar flux average on the 13th was 75
units.

Geomagnetic conditions increased from quiet levels on the 7th to active
levels, with an Ap index of 19 units, on the 9th. This was due to a
recurring coronal hole. Levels then declined to quiet conditions for the
rest of the period, with an average of Ap 13 units. The aa indices, as
supplied by the British Geological Survey for the period from the 1st to
the 7th of August, saw conditions at very quiet levels, with only 6.1
nanoTeslas on the 6th. The most disturbed day was the 7th, with 13.0
nanoTeslas. The average for the period was 10.2 nanoTeslas, just K2.

I'll repeat the figures: spots - 17, flux - 73, Ap index - 13, X-Ray
flux - A2.6

Now the ionospheric data for Central France.

The F2 daytime critical frequencies at Poitiers, as reported by Meudon
for the period from the 4th to the 10th of August, averaged 6.7MHz.
Levels increased from 6.3MHz on the 4th, to 7.8MHz on the 7th, before
declining to 6.1MHz by the 10th. The darkness hour lows remained steady
and averaged 3MHz. The daytime highs took place between 1900 and 2000
hours, with the darkness hour lows between 0300 and 0400 hours every
day.

Very little sporadic E was reported as we approach the end of the summer
1995 season. Also, seasonal effects will begin to take place with the
daytime highs taking place earlier in the evening as the days shorten in
the northern hemisphere.

I'll repeat the figures: highs - 6.7MHz, lows - 3MHz.

And lastly the solar forecast.

This week the quieter side of the sun is expected to be looking our way.
Solar activity should be very low, and solar flux figures around the low
70s. Geomagnetic activity is expected to be very quiet, but could be up
to active levels today or tomorrow. Ionospheric MUFs during daylight
hours are expected to be about 18MHz for the south and 16MHz for the
north. The darkness hour lows are expected to be about 11MHz. Only small
sporadic E openings, particularly on 28 and 50MHz, are expected in the
coming week.

And that's the end of the solar information.

Finally in the main news, SSL has informed the Society that as of last
Wednesday morning, the latest callsigns allocated were in the G0 Whisky
Juliet and G7 Victor Oscar series, and Novice calls in the 2 0 Alfa Mike
and 2 1 Echo India series.

--
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From: [e-mail] (David Dodell)
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Subject: German Time Station
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I was in Germany recently and saw in some clock stores, clocks that were
synchronized by radio to a central german government station.

Anyone know anything about this service?

David Dodell WB7TPY



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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Burke Redi)
Subject: Re: Ground rods: why 8 feet?
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In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (John Woods) writes:
}[e-mail] (Thomas Randall) writes:
}>John Chapman ([e-mail]) wrote:
}>   Yes but will a 2 foot rod do the job as well as an 8 foot?
}>Do you NEED to use an 8 foot rod? I think this is what she was getting at.
}
}It actually depends entirely on the soil in your location.  If you're at
}the beach, a two-foot rod driven right at the waterline will probably make
}fabulous contact with the earth.  If you're in the middle of a desert,
}8 feet driven into sand probably won't really be adequate.  But in most
}locations, where the water table is relatively close to the surface but
}not actually higher than the surface :-), a two foot rod will do a noticably
}less efficient job than an 8-foot rod.
}
How true, here in South Florida, 8 feet may well be OK, but just 150-160 miles north
in central Florida, you may need to go 50 feet...

Bruce, WB4YUC






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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Randall)
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Bruce Burke Redi ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (John Woods) writes:
: }[e-mail] (Thomas Randall) writes:
: }>John Chapman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: }>   Yes but will a 2 foot rod do the job as well as an 8 foot?
: }>Do you NEED to use an 8 foot rod? I think this is what she was getting at.
: }
: }It actually depends entirely on the soil in your location.  If you're at
: }the beach, a two-foot rod driven right at the waterline will probably make
: }fabulous contact with the earth.  If you're in the middle of a desert,
: }8 feet driven into sand probably won't really be adequate.  But in most
: }locations, where the water table is relatively close to the surface but
: }not actually higher than the surface :-), a two foot rod will do a noticably
: }less efficient job than an 8-foot rod.
: }
: How true, here in South Florida, 8 feet may well be OK, but just 150-160 miles north
: in central Florida, you may need to go 50 feet...

: Bruce, WB4YUC




  So it's ALMOST like a guessing game. I understand that the rod should
go BELOW the frost line. Here in my part of New York that's about 2 1/2-3
feet. Sounds like 8 feet may be a safe length in any event.

Tom, KB2SMS



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John E. Taylor III)
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In article <40u9v6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Thomas
Randall) wrote:

[deletions]
>
>   So it's ALMOST like a guessing game. I understand that the rod should
> go BELOW the frost line. Here in my part of New York that's about 2 1/2-3
> feet. Sounds like 8 feet may be a safe length in any event.
>

If your installation is critical, the effectiveness of the ground system
can be _measured_, rather than guessed at.  Local ham club did presentation
on this; AC resistance measurement between two rods, as I recall.  I
_think_ the PolyPhaser literature mentions this sort of thing.

--
John Taylor    (W3ZID)      |  "The opinions expressed are those of the
e-mail: [e-mail] |   writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company."


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:52 1995
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From: Costas Vlassis <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Help needed to get started...
Date: 16 Aug 1995 13:50:34 GMT
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OK thanks for your time reading this message but since I am new
to the word of Ham Radio I really need some help !
        To be honest I do not know WHERE to start...
I own a 486DX/33 with 8MB RAM (soon 16) and running Linux + (DOS - Win3.1)
but most of the time I am in Linux with XFree.
        Reading through the HAM-HOWTO, I found on a Linux ftp server, I saw
all the neccessary software for the communications (AX.25, satelite
tracking software, etc) but there was no mentioning about the HARDWARE
needed !  Then a packet.faq fell into my hand but that was seriously
outdated (1993 !) so here I am asking you :
        What do HARDWARE do I need to get me started with packet radio
communications ? (please be as clear as you can) and how much the cost
will be ?
        As you can probably guess I do not live in USA but in Europe,
Greece.  What's the experience with this kind of telecommunications on
this side of the Atlantic ?
        Does packet radio offer direct connection to the Internet or not
? I mean E-mail, USENET, FTP, TELNET, WWW, etc ?  What are the speeds
like ?

        Thanks very much for your time,
        Costas Vlassis ([e-mail])



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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Randall)
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Costas Vlassis ([e-mail]) wrote:
: OK thanks for your time reading this message but since I am new
: to the word of Ham Radio I really need some help !
:         To be honest I do not know WHERE to start...
: I own a 486DX/33 with 8MB RAM (soon 16) and running Linux + (DOS - Win3.1)
: but most of the time I am in Linux with XFree.
:         Reading through the HAM-HOWTO, I found on a Linux ftp server, I saw
: all the neccessary software for the communications (AX.25, satelite
: tracking software, etc) but there was no mentioning about the HARDWARE
: needed !  Then a packet.faq fell into my hand but that was seriously
: outdated (1993 !) so here I am asking you :
:         What do HARDWARE do I need to get me started with packet radio
: communications ? (please be as clear as you can) and how much the cost
: will be ?


   You'll need a radio of coarse (and a license to go with it!), a
terminal node controller (tnc), a serial cable (your computer will do
just fine), a radio to tnc cable which can be bought pre-made for around
$15., and a antenna. A great little tnc is the Kantronics KPC-3 for
around $119.00. An HT will do just fine as a radio provided you have some
PBBs' nearby. Internet is possible although I don't know much about that
yet. Someone else will fill you (us!) in on that.


:         As you can probably guess I do not live in USA but in Europe,
: Greece.  What's the experience with this kind of telecommunications on
: this side of the Atlantic ?
:         Does packet radio offer direct connection to the Internet or not
: ? I mean E-mail, USENET, FTP, TELNET, WWW, etc ?  What are the speeds
: like ?

:         Thanks very much for your time,
:         Costas Vlassis ([e-mail])



Tom, KB2SMS



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:54 1995
From: [e-mail] (Bruno Bienenfeld)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 17:14:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Help needed to get started...
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The best way to get info you need is to contact Greece Radio Amateur Club
in Athens or any other major city.
Greece has been one of leaders in satelite communications on Ham Bands
and SV1AB George (profesor of Athens University) was formost operator
on VHF/UHF.
When you walk or drive around, observ rooftops and if you see strange
antenna on the roof or tower - ring the bell.......

from the log of AA6AD


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:55 1995
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Hi,

The ARRL (American Radio Relay League) sells a truly exellent book,
titled "The ARRL Satellite Experimenters Handbook" for $20 (plus
shipping, typically $4).  It has all of the details you need to
get up and running on the Amateur Radio satellites. (They sell
another titled the "Weather Satellite Handbook" for those interested
in those satellites.)  To order, call the ARRL Publications Department
at [phone].  Hope this helps.  It really is THE resourse book
for Amateur Radio satellite operators. It covers tracking, hardware,
details on each of the many Amateur satellies, their launch date,
operating frequencies, and leads to further information.  Enjoy!
73, Glenn, KB1GW



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Oh, and the ARRL also sells a book titled 'Your Packet Companion" for $8
(US).  Write to: ARRL, 225 Main Street, Newington, CT, 06111 and ask for
their "Publications Catalog."
73, Glenn, KB1GW



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (JIM)
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Subject: Help??
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I am looking for someone in the Cedar Rapids/Iowa City area (IA) to help me
become a technician class ham radio operator.

I have a two year electronics degree and am willing to share my knowlege
in return.

Please Email, Call or write to me if willing to help.

Thank You

=========================================================
= Name: James L. Werner Jr.                             =
= Compnay: PC-EASY                                      =
= Address: 1701 Wilson Ave S.W. Cedar Rapids, IA 52404  =
= Phone: [phone] (PAGER)                         =
= E-mail address: [e-mail]   =
=========================================================


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kenneth W. Harrison)
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I have a Henry 2meter amplifer that I'd like to find out
more about.  It says on the tag:

HENRY ELECTRONICS RF AMPLIFIER
Model Number S-30
Serial Number:  46-727
Tuned Frequency:  146.0 MHz
Maximum Output 30 Watts
Nominal Drive  1 to 5 Watts

It measures 4 1/2 by 4 1/4 by 3 inches tall.  It has a big
heatsink on top.  It also has a 1/4 inch phone plug socket
for controlling the amp when the internal relay is not used.

Is this a Class C only amp or can it be used with
AM/SSB also?

Thanks and 73--
Ken
N6MHG


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: HF channel management was(Re: CW an advantage for D)
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In article <40srmb$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Shawn C. Masters) writes:
>Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: true. Current activity is for the most part pure Aloha, and that only
>: offers 18% utilization of channel capacity under contention.

>       What your looking for is a slotted Aloha.  The designers of orbital
>packet systems have the same problems, and have reached some good solutions
>(as much as 32% utlization).

I don't think slotted Aloha is a good model for HF. It works for the
satellite because everyone can *hear* the satellite, even if they can't
hear each other, and so the satellite can manage everyone's slices. That
usually won't work on HF because there's likely to be no one station
that all the other stations can hear. Even if everyone managed to
initially synchronize their slices, that synchronization would slip.
And then there's the problem of allocating a new slice for a station
joining the network.

>: Clover has given us a clue as to what a good HF modem can do, and
>: more efficient packet protocols are possible, even the old Vancouver
>: protocol had less overhead. HF packet might best be served by a
>: token passing protocol, or not, that would take more extensive
>: analysis to determine. For sure CSMA as it's now implemented isn't
>: a good model for HF. Karn's demand access model looks much better
>: for example.

> I would stay away from token
>passing, since token regeneration would have to be done quite often.

Probably no more often than slice management, and automatic token
regeneration schemes exist that work fairly well. I don't think
that's the best course, however, and think that demand management
by the *receiving* stations is a better scheme for our semi-chaotic
amateur systems. They *can* hear the interfering stations and can
ask them to hold off for a frame time to allow the station they are
working with to get its frame through. That's just the gut talking,
however, and I haven't done extensive simulation and analysis to
confirm it.

Off on a tangent, I've just added a couple of books to my library that
may be of interest to those wanting to learn about digital signaling
techniques.

_Digital Modulation and Coding_ by SG Wilson

_Digital Communications Techniques, Signal Design and Detection_
by Simon, Hinedi, and Lindsey.

The latter is a good book for systems designers while the former has
a more formal information theoretic approach, but with enough nuts
and volts to be useful to the implementor as well. I've also added
some DSP books to the library, but I'm still looking for the book
with the right balance between cookbook and abstract theory, something
that puts the DSP algorithms on a concrete footing for the systems
implementor. For example, I'm looking for methods to calculate
coefficients for different digital filters. There's canned software
available, but I'd like to understand the nuts and bolts of that
a bit better, maybe even be able to write a Mathcad template to
do it. Any recomendations gratefully accepted.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Val Breault)
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> >  I think it is high time that we reconsider the amount
> >  of power these little tyrants sitting on HOA boards give themselves!
> >Steve KA6S

Steve, I kindly disagree.

People that live in those communities willfully and sometimes gladly
give those HOA boards the power to control the community.  The boards
have no power, no influence, no say in the lives of people that have
not given them that power.

Far too often in far too many ways the American people are willing, nay
eager to sign away their freedoms.  They believe that someone else can
protect them better than they can protect themselves.  The HOA board, like
the congress, has only as much power as the people give them.

I personally find that to be an unacceptable situation.  Every opportunity
I have I vote with my feet, my money, and my ballot to change it.

ObRadio:
I've been having a ball running HF-mobile using a Hustler system
mounted on the side of my van.  I've set it up so that the hinge
in the fold over mast is about at the drip rail level.  I can easily
reach it to set it up or bring it down and I can anchor the loose
end to the roof using a magnet.  I've installed a stand off support
just below the hinge to take the lateral load from this rather long,
stiff and heavy antenna.  This is all well and good but it's a real
pain to stop at the end of my tree lined street to erect or take down
the antenna every time I use it. I'd really REALLY like to be able to
put a shock spring just above or just below the hinge. That way I'd be
able to leave the antenna up when driving down tree lined streets or
campgrounds. Has anyone done this?  Does anyone know someone that does it?

I'll be away for a couple days longer than our local 'expire' time
so E-mail responses would be appreciated.

--
Val Breault [e-mail] \      /|
GM R&D Center - instrumentation dept.  \    / |
My opinions are not necessarily those   \  /__|     ars N8OEF
of GM R&D or of the GM Corporation.      \/   |___  Pres GM ARC


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:04:59 1995
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From: on1mv
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Subject: info temp licence in british virgin islands
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 08:17:27 GMT
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my call is on1mv from belgium
we are sailing end of next week in the british virgin islands -tortola
and I would like some info in obtaining a temp licence in this area
can someone help me out.
also what is their calling freq?

best 73 from ON1MV



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:00 1995
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Dear Orie

I got your letter.  Here it's very hot and we need Air- conditiner.
I got a week vecation so I will come to take you from the air port.


I called Baruch but he is'nt at home.

Please give the present to Natan for Hadasa.

That's all for now

                NOAM



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seeking information on WB0ITV, Denny Roberson, believed to be from Denver,
CO, u.s. army Munich, Germany, 1970's, h.s. in Denver, call data bbase
says Wichita, KS, no phone or 1411 info, please e-mail me or wwriwrite me
@ 820 S. Monaco pkwy, # 2208, Denver, CO 80224, thanks, 73's,

                              "From Me to You"
                       HAM CALL:  |  [e-mail]
                    Fly with Raptorman! (Dust-Off three-
                      -six [1969 South East Asia])



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alex Shrom)
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Subject: Re: Information on Long Delay Echoes?
Date: 16 Aug 1995 23:37:10 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Herb Rosenberg) writes:

>I am wondering if anyone out there is familiar with Lond Delay echoes, as
>I would be interested in hearing / learning more about this.

The August edition of Popular Electronics has an article on the
phenomenon.  It has a long bibliography, too, in which QST appears
several times, along with Nature and other journals.  You might try an
academic library for more info.



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Subject: Re: Information on Long Delay Echoes?
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There was a QST article on Long Delayed Echoes published in Mid 80's.
Frank Waxham K7DS of Seattle contributed the audio tape of a example.

Bob Kile KG7d



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Subject: Re: Information on Long Delay Echoes?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Herb Rosenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am wondering if anyone out there is familiar with Lond Delay echoes, as
>I would be interested in hearing / learning more about this.

The ARRL has a ftp'able file on this subject i n Oakland.

73, Moritz DL5UH



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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 15/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 15 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 16 AUGUST - 18 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  71/6

GOES satellite data for 14 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   3.2E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 9.8E+07 (normal)
       X-ray background: A1.0
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             16 Aug             17 Aug             18 Aug
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 16 Aug:  72/8

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: mostly unsettled.

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 14 Aug
    Learmonth       12  3333 2232
    Fredericksburg  14                          24
    Planetary       14                          22

Observed Kp for 14 Aug: 4355 2223
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
16 Aug    10    Quiet to unsettled
17 Aug    15    Quiet to unsettled
18 Aug    10    Quiet to unsettled

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
15 Aug      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
16 Aug      normal         normal         fair
17 Aug      normal         normal         normal
18 Aug      normal         normal         fair

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
15 Aug    16    near predicted monthly values

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
16 Aug    10    Near predicted monthly values
17 Aug    10    Near predicted monthly values
18 Aug    10    Near predicted monthly values

COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: slightly depressed, with blanketing sporadic E
observed at 19UT.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with blanketing sporadic
E observed at 20UT.
Hobart MUFs: slightly depressed, with regular blanketing sporadic E
observed during local night.

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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 16/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 16 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 17 AUGUST - 19 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: Very low

Flares: None

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  70/5

GOES satellite data for 15 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   7.2E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 1.5E+09 (very high)
       X-ray background: A1.0
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             17 Aug             18 Aug             19 Aug
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 17 Aug:  71/6

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: Quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 15 Aug
    Learmonth        8  3322 2211
    Fredericksburg  14                          15
    Planetary       10                          16

Observed Kp for 15 Aug: 4433 3223
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
17 Aug    10    Quiet to unsettled
18 Aug    10    Quiet to unsettled
19 Aug    10    Quiet to unsettled

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
16 Aug      fair-normal    fair-normal    fair-normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
17 Aug      fair-normal    fair-normal    fair-normal
18 Aug      fair-normal    fair-normal    fair-normal
19 Aug      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
16 Aug    14    Near predicted monthly values, with blanketing
                sporadic E at 01 and 14 UT and sporadic E present
                09-17 UT. Spread F also observed 10-12 UT and 16
                and 20 UT.

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
17 Aug    15    Near predicted monthly values, with sporadic E and
                spread F expected
18 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values
19 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT:
Darwin MUFs: near predicted monthly values with blanketing sporadic
E at 21 UT. Sporadic E present at 22 UT and spread F observed at 20 UT.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with sporadic E
observed at 02, 06 and 14 UT. Spread F observed 12-13 UT, 16-17 UT and
20 UT.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values with blanketing sporadic E
11-16 UT and sporadic E present 00-02 UT.

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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 17/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 17 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 18 AUGUST - 20 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: Very low

Flares: None

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  70/5

GOES satellite data for 16 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   3.8E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 2.7E+09 (very high)
       X-ray background: A1.3
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             18 Aug             19 Aug             20 Aug
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 18 Aug:  72/8

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: Quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 16 Aug
    Learmonth       12  3323 3322
    Fredericksburg  14                          13
    Planetary       12                          12

Observed Kp for 16 Aug: 3443 2212
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
18 Aug    10    Quiet to unsettled
19 Aug    10    Quiet to unsettled
20 Aug    15    Quiet to unsettled, with active to minor storm
                periods later in the day

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
17 Aug      normal         fair-normal    fair-normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
18 Aug      normal         fair-normal    fair-normal
19 Aug      normal         normal         normal
20 Aug      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
17 Aug     8    Near predicted monthly values, with sporadic E
                present from 02-05 UT and spread F from 19-20 UT.

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
18 Aug    15    Near predicted monthly values, with sporadic E and
                spread F likely.
19 Aug    15    Near predicted monthly values
20 Aug    15    Near predicted monthly values

COMMENT:
Darwin MUFs: near predicted monthly values with blanketing sporadic
E at 12 UT.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values with blanketing
sporadic E at 09 UT.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values with spread F observed
through the night hours.

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:07 1995
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From: "Bill Bowman Sr." <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Is US ham license in Canada valid?
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:36:37 -0500
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On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, M Lang wrote:

> Hi, I'm wondering if I can use my ham radios while I visit
> Canada? Is the US ham license recognized in Canada? I'm
> not talking about communicating with Canadian hams but
> rather using ham radio equipments between our groups while
> we visit there.
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
>  - Minh -
>
>
Yes, just make sure you have a copy of your license.  It might also aid
you in having a copy of your receipts for your radio equipment with you
in case there is any questions with customs officials when you return.

73 < Bill VE4UB

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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
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In article <40r383$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (M Lang) writes:
>>Hi, I'm wondering if I can use my ham radios while I visit
>>Canada? Is the US ham license recognized in Canada? I'm
>>not talking about communicating with Canadian hams but
>>rather using ham radio equipments between our groups while
>>we visit there.
>>Thanks for any info.
>> - Minh -
>Yep,  priviliges will depend upon your license class..

That "Yep," should read "Yep, if you are a US citizen holding the US
license".

>Villy VE6SQ

//jbaltz
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M Lang ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hi, I'm wondering if I can use my ham radios while I visit
: Canada? Is the US ham license recognized in Canada? I'm

Yes -- if you're a US citizen. As another poster mentioned, your priv's
depend on your licence class. At the least, you'll be allowed to operate
all modes on 50 MHz and up. If you've passed the 5 wpm code test, you can
operate CW only below 30 MHz. If you've passed the General code test, all
modes, all bands period. Just sign
(your call) (mobile/portable) / (canadian call district)
while operating in the Great White North.

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M Lang ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hi, I'm wondering if I can use my ham radios while I visit
: Canada? Is the US ham license recognized in Canada? I'm
: not talking about communicating with Canadian hams but
: rather using ham radio equipments between our groups while
: we visit there.

: Thanks for any info.

:  - Minh -


A good opportunity to repost this:

-------------------------------------------------------------------

       FAQ: US Automatic Reciprocal Operation in Canada


Q1: I have an FCC-issued amateur license.  What do I have to do to
operate an amateur radio station in Canada?

A: A reciprocity treaty, TIAS 2508, provides for US-Canada reciprocal
operation of amateur radio stations.  No application, registration, or
fee is required.  You are automatically eligible to operate in Canada
if all three of these conditions apply:

  1. You have a valid FCC-issued license;
  2. You are a US Citizen;
  3. You are a resident of the US (if you're not a US resident,
        please direct your questions to a Canadian official.  As I
        understand it, if you become a Canadian resident, your US
        license is good for a while, but they expect you to get
        a Canadian one eventually).

(GR2.45.1.a, RIC-25 p. 9)


Q2: What privileges do Canadian operators have?

A: Legally, Canada has no separate phone band or other mode
restrictions.  Instead, they adhere, on a voluntary basis, to a
bandplan, similar to the way we use 160 meters.  (The IARU Region 2
bandplan can be found in Chapter 2 of the ARRL Operating Manual.)
Canadian amateur bands are the same as those in the US up through 1.2
GHz, except they have all of 220-225 MHz, and they only have 430-450
MHz.  There are, however, bandwidth limits (-26 db):

160, 80, 40, 20, 17, 15, 12 meters: 6 kHz maximum bandwidth
                         30 meters: 1 kHz
                         10 meters: 20 kHz
                       6, 2 meters: 30 kHz
                               220: 100 kHz
                          440, 902: 12 MHz
                    1.2 GHz and up: none specified

(Schedule II, RIC-25 p. 15)


Q3: What privileges am I allowed while operating in Canada?

A: All foreign amateurs, including those from the US, are assigned
reciprocal privileges according to the Morse Code speed needed to
qualify for their license:

  12+ wpm:  All "Advanced + 12" privileges
                (i.e., *all* Canadian privileges)

        [US General, Advanced, Extra Class]

  5-11 wpm: All privileges above 30 MHz,
                PLUS CW and CW only on all bands below 30 MHz;
            limited to Basic privileges [*]

                [*] *Canadian* Basic + 5 wpm licensees are allowed
                    full access above 30 MHz, plus (full) access to
                    80 and 160, only.  However, the above *is* what
                    the rules say about *foreign* amateurs operating
                    in Canada.

        [US Novice Class, Technician + 5 WPM code]

  0-4 wpm:  All privileges above 30 MHz, with Advanced privileges

        [US Technician without code]

(GR2.45.2,3,4, RIC-25 p. 9)


Q4: What's the difference between Basic and Advanced?

A: Without Advanced Qualification (or equivalent), you may not:

 1. posess or install a transmitter or amplifier that isn't
    commercially designed and manufatured;
 2. posess or install any radio apparatus manufactured specifically
    for use as a repeater where input and output are on the same band;
 3. install a repeater where input and output are on the same band;
 4. set up a club station

(GR2.47, RIC-25 p. 10)

Basic operators are also limited to lower power.


Q5: What are the power limits?

A: An Advanced operator or equivalent can use up to 1000 W dc input,
if power is measured as input to the final stage, *or* an output of
2250 W PEP SSB/750 W carrier power for other modes, if output power is
measured.

A Basic operator or equivalent is limited to 250 W input, *or*
560 W PEP SSB/ 190 W carrier power other modes, output.

It is illegal in Canada to posess or install a transmitter or
amplifier capable of exceeding your legal maximum power by 3 db.

(GR2.58, RIC- 25 p. 11-12)


Q6: So a General class licensee can transmit phone on 3760 or even
14140 kHz?  And a Novice can use a 2 meter repeater?

A: Absolutely.


Q7: But I heard that the FCC won't allow you to exceed your US
operating privileges, even in another country.

A: I personally called the FCC and was able to confirm that this is
NOT the case.  The FCC does not enforce Part 97 in foreign countries.
Despite what you may have read, it is perfectly legal to use whatever
privileges Canada allows you (see above) while you are operating a
station in Canada.


Q8: How do I identify in Canada?

A: If you're operating under your US license, then you use your call
"mobile" (if you are) or "portable" (if you're not), *followed by* the
appropriate indicator:

Nfld: VO1
Lab:  VO2
PEI:  VY2
NS:   VE1
NB:   VE9 (since Dec 1993; prior to this it was part of VE1)
Que:  VE2
Ont:  VE3 or VA3
Mtba: VE4
Sask: VE5
Alta: VE6
BC:   VE7
NWT:  VE8
Yukon:VY1

On CW, RTTY, and such you just use a slash, for example, I would use
"KG2S/VE2" in Quebec.

The treaty requires you give your location by City and
Province/Territory at least once per contact, but the Canadian rules
make no mention of this.

While the treaty requires English ID, the Canadian rules allow you to
use French, too.  A chacun son gout.  (However, you are not limited to
English or French during your contacts; you can use any language.)

Of course, if you operate a Canadian station or get a Canadian license
yourself, you use that callsign.

(GR2.57.1-3, RIC-25 p. 12)


Q9: What if I'm not from the US?

A: You will have to contact Communications Canada (numbers below) and
apply for permission to operate.  If your country has a reciprocal
agreement with Canada, your privileges (once licensed) will be those
outlined in Question 3.

If you, as a US licensee, want a Canadian license, you may be able to
get it merely by passing a 26-question rules exam and giving a
Canadian address.  I know of at least one Advanced-class licensee who
has done this with a Delegated Examiner.  A Canadian station license
carries an annual fee (currently about CDN$24), and license terms end
31 March of each year.


Q10: I'd like to get a copy of the Canadian rules.  What do I do?
Where do I address questions if I'm in a "gray area"?

A: I highly recommend getting a copy of the rules.  They publish a
number of circulars called RICs that you can order from Industry
Canada.  They sent me these without charge.  You can get them in
French, too, of course ("CIR-25", etc.).

ON THE WEB: Most are also at http://www.cam.org/~dino/ric.html

 RIC-25: Rules and Regulations affecting the Amateur Service. 24 pp.

 RIC-3: Banned Countries/Reciprocal List/Third Party Traffic List

 RIC-66: Addresses and Telephone Numbers of Regional and District
         Offices

If you want information on exams in Canada, ask for:

 RIC-24: Information on the Amateur Operator's Certificate
         Examinations

 RIC-1: Information on the Delegated Examiner system

There are a lot of District offices, so I'm only going to list one in
each Province.  You can ask them to mail the rules to you, or you
could get the address for the office closest to where you'll be
visiting and go pick up what you want there.

St John's, NF:  709-772-4889
Halifax:        902-426-3810/3811
Charlottetown:  902-566-7000
Saint John, NB: 506-636-4889
Montreal:       514-283-7657
Toronto:        416-973-8215
Winnipeg:       204-983-5590
Regina:         306-780-5007
Calgary:        403-292-4207
Vancouver:      604-666-5468
Whitehorse:     403-667-5102
Yellowknife:    403-920-6603

Also:

Radio Amateurs of Canada, Inc.
614 Norris Court, Unit 6
Kingston, Ontario K7P 2R9
613-634-4184

Radio Amateur du Quebec (RAQI)
4545 Pierre-du-Coubertin Avenue
PO Box 1000, Station "M"
Montreal, Quebec
H1V 3R2
514-252-3012/252-3000 ext. 3422


Q11: Something you wrote in this FAQ was wrong!  How do I let you
know?

A: The material in this FAQ was based on the 1 March 1993 edition of
RIC-25.  If you know about any rule changes, or if a government
official contradicts something in this FAQ, please email me at:

[e-mail]

I'll investigate and fix any errors.  PLEASE BE SURE TO INCLUDE AN
AUTHORITATIVE SOURCE FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

(TNX VE9LN, VE3HKZ/WA6SGA, FCC, and Industry Canada for their help!)


Bon voyage!

-Dave, KG2S

9507A





From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (M Lang)
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Subject: Re: Is US ham license in Canada valid?
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:20:21 +0000
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In article <[e-mail]>,
"Bill Bowman Sr." <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Yes, just make sure you have a copy of your license.  It might also aid
> you in having a copy of your receipts for your radio equipment with you
> in case there is any questions with customs officials when you return.
>
> 73 < Bill VE4UB
>
>  *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-*
>   Bill Bowman Sr.     _\|/_  [phone] fax [phone] bbs 785-8518
>   [e-mail] (o o)  Voice Mail 482-5942 or Winnipeg 475-9740
>  *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-oOO-(_)-OOo-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-*

Oh, do I really need receipts for my radio equipments? It has been
a few years that I bought them and I don't think I still have the
receipts...
What will happen if I don't?

 73, KD6ARD

  Minh


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Is US ham license in Canada valid?
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M Lang ([e-mail]) wrote:
[snip]
: Oh, do I really need receipts for my radio equipments? It has been
: a few years that I bought them and I don't think I still have the
: receipts...
: What will happen if I don't?

It's hard to say.  I grew up near the Canadian border, in Michigan, and we
thought no more of going into Canada in the '50s and later than going to
visit relatives in the next state.

Every experience we've had recently, either entering Canada or returning to
the US, has been less than smooth.  Driving up to Vancouver in the late
'80s, for some reason, the Canadian customs official was convinced that I
had a handgun concealed in the truck.  Don't know if it was casual dress,
driving a truck, or California plates that piqued his curiosity.  It wasn't
until after he'd explained Canadian handgun law and forfeiture policy, and
my invitation to search the truck if he liked, that we were allowed to pass.

On that same trip, I got hassled by a US customs official for bringing back
a case of beer, which I had declared.  Apparently the seller wasn't quite
correct on his interpretation of export laws.  I think what really bothered
him was that it was late in the afternoon, and he didn't want to be troubled
with calculating the duty.

On another occasion, we had been visiting my father-in-law in Michigan, and
he had given us some antique chairs that belonged to his grandmother.  We
entered Canada from Michigan's upper peninsula, and re-entered the US in the
northern part of Idaho.  Naturally, the US customs officer inferred that the
chairs were antiques that we bought in Canada; he did accept our
explanation, in lieu of other proof.

I guess all of this rambling means - it depends.  I don't blame the customs
officials on either side of the border, because everyone is under closer
scrutiny because of drug traffic.  I will say that we carry our passports
whenever we enter Canada now, even though it is not required, and even being
born-in-the-USA anglo types.

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
[phone] (O)  |   Unix:  "It isn't supposed to be easy...If it
[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-



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From: [e-mail] (Dick Hughes)
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[e-mail] (M Lang) wrote:

>Hi, I'm wondering if I can use my ham radios while I visit
>Canada? Is the US ham license recognized in Canada? I'm
>not talking about communicating with Canadian hams but
>rather using ham radio equipments between our groups while
>we visit there.

>Thanks for any info.

> - Minh -

No problem.  Need for separate license went away several years ago.
If you have a U.S. license, you are in good shape for Canada.

Dick Hughes - W7LVA




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John N0ISL)
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Subject: ISLDX August Bulletin
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       official packet bulletin for the
       *********************************************************
       I      UNITED STATES ISLANDS AWARDS PROGRAM (US I)      *
       S              c/o John Reisenauer, NL7TB               *
       L        Rt. 2  Box 2161, Benton City, WA 99320         *
       *                                                       *
       *                US Islands ARC "KC7KHU"                D
       *             US I Last Frontier ARC "WL7CND"           X
       *********************************************************
                                                  August 5, 1995

         We have several new islands that have been pre-qualified.
       Thanks to Gerry, VE6PWJ, for the list.  Here they are:

      *ALASKA (AK-XX)     *FLORIDA (FL-XX)          Absecon..NJ-03S
       St. Paul..41S       Black..09S               Aquidneck..RI-06S
       Pleasant..42S       Bahia Honda..12S         Bailey..ME-22S
       Amchitka..43S       Dry Tortugas..13S        Little Colington..
       Barter..44S         Egmont Key..14S                      NC-11S
       Barnof..45S         Little St. George..08S   Sullivans..SC-04S
       Endicott..46S                                Tybee..GA-09S
       Crooked..47S        *other misc. islands:    Chincoteague..VA-02S
       Sitkinak..48S       Middle..NY-07S           (WA3EOP) op.
       Nawkins..49S        Appledore..MA-02S
       St. George..50S     Bogue Banks..NC-10S

         Kim, KD1VE, sent a packet msg saying she'll be on from a Maine
       island (s) around Aug. 16th.  She put on So. Hero Island for Field
       Day and made over 100 QSOs- good show!  Rick, N6IV/KL7, says he'll
       be more active on 20m from Douglas Island when the band improves.
       Rick has quite an impressive station over looking Juneau.  I had a
       great time operating from there!  Page, WA3EOP, has something
cooking
     * too I'll bet.  If I can swing it, my son (John, KC7FVA) and I will
be
       on from a Washington state IOTA island (Destruction, WA-05S or
Tatoosh
       WA-06S)...more to follow.  Stay tuned around 14.250 to 14.260 for
US I
       traffic!

         Our 1st Annual W/VE Island contest promises to be fun, good prop-
       ation will help!  It will be nice just to get out, away from the
city
       sounds.  Many island enthusiasts have expressed interest but we
still
       need more "activators", especially from Canada.  The contest starts
at
       1700Z Saturday (Sept. 23) and ends 2300Z Sunday (Sept. 24).  N0ISL
is
       the contest manager.  Remember, you don't have to be a BIG GUN
contest
       station to participate or have fun.  This one is for all of us!

                                      73, good island DXing
                                          John, NL7TB

      *  Sept. 9 listen for N3TDN, N3TLI, AA3LG and WA3EOP from Pee Wee
         Island on multiple band operation.  Tnx Page,WA3EOP, for another
         "FORM A" and for activating Chincoteague Island!

John Douglas, N0ISL
AX.25 N0ISL@KZ7I.#MSP.MN.USA.NOAM
I'm in Minnesota only because I must be somewhere!


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John N0ISL)
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Subject: ISLDX: US, Canadian and now German Island Awards
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MN03L will be activated August 18-20, 1995 from Lake Superior. The call
will be N0ISL. Look for us on the usual island frequencies. On
20 meters 14.250-14.260. We will also me active on CW and RTTY. If
conditions permit, We will also activate WI01L from Wisconson.

Here is a note just received, Island collecting continues to grow!

GERMAN ISLANDS AWARD -> The G.I.A. (Deutsches Insel Diplom) Award Manager
is
DL2MX (ex DL2RMX), Peter Seifert,  P.O.Box  1124, D-16535  Hohen
Neuendorf,
Germany: you can write him to ask for questions, information or credits.

Don't forget the Canadian/US ISL contest on September 24 and 25, 1995..
CU there... Good hunting....

73 de N0ISL John

[e-mail], [e-mail]


John Douglas, N0ISL
AX.25 N0ISL@KZ7I.#MSP.MN.USA.NOAM
I'm in Minnesota only because I must be somewhere!


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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Ashley)
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     When and where will Hams and Scouts in the Greater Boston MA
participate in JOTA? As a former Boy Scout and now a Ham I would like
to attend the 1995 JOTA.

     Please reply by e-mail to:   [e-mail]   as I read my
e-mail frequently.

     Thank You, Arthur, N1NHZ, 73
     Member, Boston Amateur Radio Club
     Web URL:   http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc.html


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Allen Skaggs)
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If you are having trouble getting you Kam TNC to initialize with the APRS
program  try going into the inittapr file in the systems directory and
resetting the PAR command from 0 to 4. I have found that this must be done
on my Kamtronics Kam version 5.0 before it will work correctly with the
program. 73, see you on the freq. Allen

--
==============================================================================
Allen Skaggs, Grove City, OH.
Packet Radio Address: NV8R@W8CQK.#CMH.OH.USA.NA



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Jonz)
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I've done my best to stay out of this one, but in the back of my mind I guess
I knew that I'd eventually give in to temptation.  No generalizations here,
just my personal experience over the last year or so.  Draw your own
conclusions -- I know I have.  ;-)

I loved my TM-741, but the baddies got the dash-mounted control head when
they broke into the car to rip off the CD player.  Fortunately (or so I
thought) they didn't find the rig itself, which was mounted under the
driver's seat.  A call to HRO led nowhere; the control head is considered
"parts", and HRO doesn't sell parts.  The Kenwood service center won't talk
to individuals about parts, only corporate customers, so they referred me
to their distributor in my area.  The distributor couldn't find a part number
when I called them, but promised to call Kenwood and get back to me.  When
they did, they told me that the control head for the TM-741 was out of
production (even though I had purchased the rig new less than a year earlier),
and that the head for the TM-742 was not compatible.

So much for my beloved 741.  The insurance company gave me 90% compensation
on the original purchase price, most of which went into a TM-733 (I had lost
interest in 23cm FM, and the balance went toward an auto alarm. ;-)  Three
weeks after the warranty on the 733 expired, I was greeted on power-up by the
message "on" where the 2M frequency display should have been, and nothing
else.  None of the buttons functioned at all -- not even the power switch, so
I was unable to execute the hardware reset function.  I called the Kenwood
service center and was told that they'd seen this problem before, a blown IC
in the control head, and was told to send them just the head and that they'd
fix it for free even though the warranty had expired.  Pretty cool, I
thought.

Three weeks after sending them the head I received notification that it
worked just fine on the bench using another rig, and was asked to send them
the rest of the radio, which I did about a week later.  Two weeks after that
I received everything back from them with a diagnostic report that read
simply, "No trouble found."  I hooked it up to a power supply in the shack,
and before I even pressed the power switch, the display lit up with the
message "on" where the 2M frequency display should have been, and nothing
else.  None of the buttons functioned.  You guessed it -- the rig failed in
in *exactly* the same way it had when I first contacted Kenwood a month and
a half earlier.

If anyone needs a good night light, lemme know -- the amber display is really
quite effective for such an application.  If the 733 were usable for 9600 bps
packet as advertised (which it isn't), or if the intermod wasn't a constant
problem, I'd try sending it through once more.  Instead, I've just plain
given up on mobile rigs, and am looking to install a dual-band linear under
the seat and stick with an HT in the car....


Todd, KB6JXT



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James Muller)
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Date: 18 Aug 1995 14:33:57 +1000
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Does anyone know where I can find a ASCII or .DBF file containing
all US zipcodes, city name, county, and state?

73, Jim

VK1FF/WB2FFY
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:19 1995
From: [e-mail] (Beno M Bequette Jr)
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Subject: Mac Terminal Program for
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 JB> Subject: Mac Terminal Program for HAm Radio Needed

 JB> Reply-To: [e-mail]


 JB> -- Hello,     I am looking for a program to run my KAM or PK-232
 JB> using a MAC PLUS with 1 Meg and no hard drive.... Do you have one
 JB> ??? Can you send it to me..  Appriciate the help...  John AA7RF
 JB> P.O. Box 628 Woodland Wa 98674

 JB> Thanks and 73 ---------------------------------------------------
 JB> ----------------------- ---- Pacifier Online Data Service Dialup
 JB> SLIP/PPP User [e-mail] --------------------------
 JB> ------------------------------------------------ ----

 JB> ---  * Origin: Stingray Mail System (stingray.net) (1:2805/8.0)

In a message dated 08-15-95 at, BENO M BEQUETTE JR wrote to JOHN BURKE :

You can use ZTerm 0.9 as a terminal program to run the Kam. Follow the
directions fo using ZTerm on a floppy system. You may need at least 2 Meg of
memory and 2 flopply drives for the best results. ZTerm should also work as a
terminal program for the PK-232 also. My brother is using ZTerm for a
terminal program for his Kam Plus., works fine. He started out with a Mac
512KE with the 2Meg daughter board installed, upgraded to a 4 Meg Mac Plus
and then to a 4 Meg MacSE, 2 weeks ago. Be sure to read carefully the manual
for ZTerm 0.9.
You should plan to expand your ram to 4 Megs ASAP and get a external
harddrive at least a 40 Meg SCSI drive.
Here is a source for some low cost ram for your Mac :
Dean Smith
509-536-8604 during the day before 2:30 PST
You can use 120ns or faster. You can use the 2 or 8 chip set, 30 pin sims
they must be non-parity sims.
Dean had listed the following 30 pin sims :
2-1megx8's 60 ns $25 ea or $45 for both
2-1 megx8's 100ns-$15 ea or $25 for both

call him and see if still has any in stock these are far prices for for
simms.
 This add was dated 07-16-95. He may have more on hand now so give him a call
and check.

If you do not have the manual for your Mac Plus find one before you try to
add the memory. Memory can be increased  to 2 meg, 2.5 meg or 4 meg, using 2-
1 meg simms, 2-1 meg simms and 2-256k simms or 4-1meg simms there is resistor
that has to be cliped and or resoldered.
If you need some help look for your local Mac usre group for help.
Good Luck,
Beno

 -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Eval:02Jul95
Origin: Alice strikes back @

 * Origin: Beyond Tomorrow - Moberly, MO USA - [phone] (1:2805/2)


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From: [e-mail] (Bob Martin N6MZV)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mac Terminal Program for HAm Radio Needed
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In article <40qqh0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> -- Hello,
>     I am looking for a program to run my KAM or PK-232 using a MAC PLUS
> with 1 Meg and no hard drive.... Do you have one ??? Can you send it to
> me..  Appriciate the help...  John AA7RF P.O. Box 628
> Woodland Wa 98674
>
> Thanks and 73
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> Pacifier Online Data Service Dialup SLIP/PPP User
> [e-mail]
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------

John-

For simple single connects, zterm, the shareware comm program works just great-
and it will run on a mac plus.

73-

--

Bob Martin N6MZV          * [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:20 1995
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Subject: Re: Mac Terminal Program for HAm Radio Needed
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A real small terminal program is "Free Term"
Z-term has a special keyboard init for the MacPlus keyboard.
I just got a secone MacPlus for $15 as a side walk sale.
73
Bob




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Sandy Lynch)
Subject: Re: Mac Terminal Program for HAm Radio Needed
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John Burke ([e-mail]) wrote:

: -- Hello,
:     I am looking for a program to run my KAM or PK-232 using a MAC PLUS
: with 1 Meg and no hard drive.... Do you have one ??? Can you send it to
: me..  Appriciate the help...  John AA7RF P.O. Box 628
: Woodland Wa 98674

: Thanks and 73

Kevin Krueger N0IOS has written the wonderful HOST MASTER for Macintosh
for use with the KAM.  As I understand it, he has the rights to sell it
directly; and Kantronics also sells it.   I heard that he also wrote
the new Macintosh version of the control software for the AEA machines
as well ..... least wise I think he was demonstrating it at their booth
at Dayton a few months ago.  I don't know if he can sell that program
directly or not.  I have used and do use the Host Master for Macintosh
program and it is wonderful.

Cheers
Sandy
WA6BXH
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RICHARD LEFFLER)
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Subject: Manuals - anyone?
Date: 18 Aug 1995 04:41:03 GMT
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    I need two different manuals:  (1) for Heath SB-100 and (2) for an
    SBE-35.

    Anyone able to make a copy for me that I can buy?

    Email me Okay.  Thanks de AC6CE - Dick

--

                  Dick Leffler ---> #:-)

                "WHERE ARE ALL THE ANGELS?"
                        See my book at:
           http://ttx.com/bookzone/religion.html




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robin Gandevia)
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Subject: Re: MLog logging/packet freeware, minor screwup
Date: 18 Aug 1995 19:13:28 +1000
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Michael McAmis ([e-mail]) wrote:
: > Disappointed with the commercial and shareware Windows
: > logging/packet software out there?  Try MLog, freeware
: > now available on the internet.
: >
: > For ftp users, sign on to oak.oakland.edu and get
: > pub3/hamradio/pc/logging/mlog0116.zip
: >
: > If you're using a Web browser, start at BARC's home
: > page (www.acs.oakland.edu/barc.html), pick
: > "barc archives", then "PC files" (even though it
: > says DOS only).  Select the "logging" directory
: > and fetch mlog0116.zip
: >
: > Have fun...
:
: The file import.bas was supposed to be a "little QBasic
: prgram" used to import foreign logs.  Instead I included
: a chunk of MLog code with the same name.  Entertaining but
: not very useful.  If you need the real thing, let me know.
: It's quite small and e-mailable.  Hopefully, I'll get
: 1.17 posted soon.
:
: Mike/WA3ECT
: [e-mail]  (internet)
: WA3ECT @ W1ET.NH           (packet)
:
:

Yes, well when you want a professional logging program that does
not have any bugs, is considered by many to be the definitive
logging program, try HAMLOG31 by VK2VN. It is also downloadable
from OAK.

Robin Gandevia
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clay Irving)
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Subject: Re: NEED HURRICANE MONITERING FREQ'S!!!!!!!!
Date: 15 Aug 1995 20:02:21 -0400
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In <40qf2k$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Greg Smith) writes:

>Hi all,  just what the name says is what I need.  A list of all
>relevent frequencies to hurricane tracking particularly on HF.
>thanks in advance,

I have a copy on my Scanning Reference site:

http://www.panix.com/clay/scanning/hurricane.html

If you need a copy, I'd be happy to Email it to you...

--
- o - o     Clay Irving, N2VKG
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Tracy)
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Subject: Re: New Ham Radio Tests - Macintosh
Date: 15 Aug 1995 17:04:04 -0400
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Jeffrey Thomas Sheldon ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : If you load these onto file servers where others can gain access
: : via Internet, please let me know so we can point others in that
: : direction.

: Yes! Yes!  Please, somebody do that! :)


: Glad these are available
: -Jeff

Jeff et al., These are now available on oak.oakland.edu, in the directory
pub/hamradio/mac/theory-and-morse

73 de Michael, KC1SX


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Delaney)
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I know I asked this before, but I lost the answer :(

What is the alert tone used by NOAA weather radio for an alert? (The same
tone used by the alert radios that RS sells)

Is this a standerd DTMF tone? This way I can set my HT to open-squelch on
a alert.

Are there any plans/devices out there that will, on hearing the tone,
open a audio line. This way I could put it on a spare scanner, and leave
it on at home all the time.

Thanks


--
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religion; or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the
freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably
to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."


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On Thu, 17 Aug 1995, Eric Jacksch wrote:

> In article <40ueqi$[e-mail]> you wrote:
> : I know I asked this before, but I lost the answer :(
>
> : What is the alert tone used by NOAA weather radio for an alert? (The same
> : tone used by the alert radios that RS sells)
>
> : Is this a standerd DTMF tone? This way I can set my HT to open-squelch on
> : a alert.
>
> : Are there any plans/devices out there that will, on hearing the tone,
> : open a audio line. This way I could put it on a spare scanner, and leave
> : it on at home all the time.
>
> Hi!
>
> If you get any info, could you forward it to me?  I'd like to do the
> same.
>

1050 hz.

Now I need to built a device to open the squelch, since it's not a
DTMF.... (It figures, they couldn't have just made it a DTMF tone :)


Matthew Delaney  N2MDB    [e-mail]   ax.25: n2mdb@k2sk.#eny.ny.usa.na
Finger for PGP key      http://www.j51.com:80/~delaney/
BBS: [phone]   FIDO: 1:143/2625.1  -- Licensed to Think for MYself!
 "Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of a
religion; or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the
freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably
to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tom)
Subject: Re: personal autopatch ... possible? legal? ethical?
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michaelr. wrote:
: >  Yes its legal. As long as you obide by the rules of your license.

: As long as you follow rules for one way transmissions.

That's just in the realm of redundant.  If a Ham can make a call on the
club machine, that same person can make a call on his/her own machine.
They're both one-way, if you look at it - only the Ham and the repeater
identify.



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From: Lord GAD <[e-mail]>
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Don't you need a control operator at the "Home Autopatch" rig
since you are allowing third party comunications?

GAD - KB2VMH

--

        His eminence, Lord GAD


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In article <40t1at$djv$[e-mail]>, Lord GAD <[e-mail]> writes:
> Don't you need a control operator at the "Home Autopatch" rig
> since you are allowing third party comunications?
>
> GAD - KB2VMH

Or better yet, wouldn't one need to control their own patch (or be able to)
via a frequency above 222 MHz?

Ken
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Lord GAD <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Don't you need a control operator at the "Home Autopatch" rig
>since you are allowing third party comunications?

Not necessarily.  Any station can be remote controlled by an auxilary
station above 222.

--
Curtis Wheeler
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:29 1995
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[e-mail] (Ken Harrison) wrote:

>In article <40t1at$djv$[e-mail]>, Lord GAD <[e-mail]> writes:
>> Don't you need a control operator at the "Home Autopatch" rig
>> since you are allowing third party comunications?

>Or better yet, wouldn't one need to control their own patch (or be able to)
>via a frequency above 222 MHz?

Yes. If you are controlling that (patch) station by radio link it has to
be done from an auxilary station (at or above 1.25cm).

Doesn't this apply to two meter repeaters with autopatches?  If the patch
is brought up by anyone - doesn't a control operator have to be at a
control point since the station (repeater) cannot be under automatic
control when passing third party traffic?

--
Curtis Wheeler
CITC/CSD San Ramon, CA




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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: personal autopatch ... possible? legal? ethical?
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In article <40t1at$djv$[e-mail]> Lord GAD <[e-mail]> writes:
>Don't you need a control operator at the "Home Autopatch" rig
>since you are allowing third party comunications?

Sure, but *you* can be the control operator if you're operating on
222 MHz or above. See the Auxillary rules.

Gary
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Curtis responded:
>
> Yes. If you are controlling that (patch) station by radio link it has to
> be done from an auxilary station (at or above 1.25cm).
>
> Doesn't this apply to two meter repeaters with autopatches?  If the patch
> is brought up by anyone - doesn't a control operator have to be at a
> control point since the station (repeater) cannot be under automatic
> control when passing third party traffic?
>

According to my read of the rules, the auxiliary station is the *patch*
station, because the primary station is the one that has the control
operator present (that is, you on that HT). So in that instance, the
auxiliary station has to be transmitting to you on 222 or above. Some
people read the aux station rule to be the opposite direction (HT is the
aux station). Either case, of course, immediately makes a 2m personal
patch illegal.

On conventional repeaters, though, a wrench is thrown into this, because
autopatches become an *ancilliary* (not auxiliary, and not the primary)
function. As long as other means exist to control the repeater (auxiliary
link 222 or above, hardwired control), 2m autopatches are OK.

In neither case is control completely automatic at the patch station. The
"3rd party traffic" is under complete control of the person on the radio
who intiated the patch. The repeater user is exercising limited remote
control of the repeater station, while a control operator (actively
participating or just listening) can take over at any time and supercede
the 2m user's control. In a personal autopatch, the existing interfaces
give the operator complete control over the link, including the simplex
patches, which drop the patch transmit momentarily to poll the freq for
control.

But, in the end, it all comes down to what you're going to a Notice and/or
"pink slip" for. As a member of the FCC Amateur Auxiliary (yes, an
"Official Observer" [while he ducks the tomatoes]), I certainly won't bug
anybody about using a 2m autopatch as long as everything else is Kosher.
And I won't hassle anybody over a personal autopatch - if it clearly
wasn't legal, then CSI wouldn't be in the market selling 'em.

But I will "write-up" a simplex autopatch if I find it below 222.

It's all gray areas, and we're all sea lawyers, I guess, dealing with gray
areas that are intentionally ambiguous. But I think the shade of gray is
pretty dark on the simplex autopatch thing, and I s'pose it's my "job" to
be up on the Rules.
  ...mm

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:32 1995
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[e-mail] (Mike Musick/N0QBF) wrote:
>Curtis responded:
>>
>> Yes. If you are controlling that (patch) station by radio link it has to
>> be done from an auxilary station (at or above 1.25cm).
>>
>> Doesn't this apply to two meter repeaters with autopatches?  If the patch
>> is brought up by anyone - doesn't a control operator have to be at a
>> control point since the station (repeater) cannot be under automatic
>> control when passing third party traffic?
>>
>
>According to my read of the rules, the auxiliary station is the *patch*
>station, because the primary station is the one that has the control
>operator present (that is, you on that HT). So in that instance, the
>auxiliary station has to be transmitting to you on 222 or above. Some
>people read the aux station rule to be the opposite direction (HT is the
>aux station). Either case, of course, immediately makes a 2m personal
>patch illegal.
>
>On conventional repeaters, though, a wrench is thrown into this, because
>autopatches become an *ancilliary* (not auxiliary, and not the primary)
>function. As long as other means exist to control the repeater (auxiliary
>link 222 or above, hardwired control), 2m autopatches are OK.

Even if the patch is not considered a remote control (auxilary) function,
it is still passing third party traffic.  This requires at least a
"designated control operator" to be at a control point for the repeater.
 If the user is just that, a user, and not a control operator, he doesn't
fufill this requirement in my read.  I don't have a problem with any two
meter phone patch, I guess I am just wondering if most repeater control
ops monitor and control their repeater when the patch is enabled and
available to users.

>In neither case is control completely automatic at the patch station. The
>"3rd party traffic" is under complete control of the person on the radio
>who intiated the patch. The repeater user is exercising limited remote
>control of the repeater station, while a control operator (actively
>participating or just listening) can take over at any time and supercede
>the 2m user's control. In a personal autopatch, the existing interfaces
>give the operator complete control over the link, including the simplex
>patches, which drop the patch transmit momentarily to poll the freq for
>control.

Don't have a problem with this - but you are saying that the control
operator is monitoring the repeater at a control point, right?  The user
has to be designated a control operator by the repeater licensee to meet
the requirements - right?

>But, in the end, it all comes down to what you're going to a Notice and/or
>"pink slip" for. As a member of the FCC Amateur Auxiliary (yes, an
>"Official Observer" [while he ducks the tomatoes]), I certainly won't bug
>anybody about using a 2m autopatch as long as everything else is Kosher.
>And I won't hassle anybody over a personal autopatch - if it clearly
>wasn't legal, then CSI wouldn't be in the market selling 'em.

CSI could still sell them even if all phone patches were illegal in
amateur radio - they sell plenty of equipment to users of other radio
services.

>But I will "write-up" a simplex autopatch if I find it below 222.

Before you know all of the facts?  Third party traffic is allowed on two
meters.  There just has to be a control point for the radio transmitting
that traffic.  If it's not a local control point, it must be a remote
control point.  If remote control is by radio link (it could be
wireline), the control point has to be an auxilary station.  Sounds like
a legit use for a dual band radio - conduct your simplex patch on two
meters but maintain your control point above 222.

>It's all gray areas, and we're all sea lawyers, I guess, dealing with gray
>areas that are intentionally ambiguous. But I think the shade of gray is
>pretty dark on the simplex autopatch thing, and I s'pose it's my "job" to
>be up on the Rules.

I really don't think it's that grey at all.  To answer the original
question, if a simplex patch is legal - Yes (and I have used one on two
meters - not as a control op - but a user).  It's just that the black and
white answer cannot be found in just one paragraph of part 97.  But can
the FCC walk in one day and say no one can have a patch?  Where in part
97 is interconnect to the public telephone network, for the purpose of
placing calls, allowed?

This is just how things seem to me...

--
Curtis Wheeler
CITC/CSD San Ramon, CA
mailto:[e-mail] to reach me at home.

-- Why are there Braille dots on the buttons of drive-up ATMs? --




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Al Gerheim)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: personal autopatch ... possible? legal? ethical?
Date: 18 Aug 1995 11:24:40 GMT
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michaelr. wrote:
> >   "Chris M. Bridges" <n4fan.vnet.net> writes:
> >  What is the differance between going through a repeter or your own home
> >  base and autopatch ? I my self see no differance.
> >  Is it ethical? I think so. More so, because you are not tying up someone
> >  else's repeter.
> >  Yes it's very possible.
> >  Yes its legal. As long as you obide by the rules of your license.
> >  I say if you want it and can afford it , go for it.
> >

> As long as you follow rules for one way transmissions.

Does anyone know where I can get an autopatch - only board?  I saw
a brochure from a company that makes them some time ago, and lost
it.

--
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: personal autopatch ... possible? legal? ethical?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <40jp5a$[e-mail]> <40t1at$djv$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <40vo2r$[e-mail]> <mmusick-1708951300460001@198.102.74.50>
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In article <mmusick-1708951300460001@198.102.74.50> [e-mail] (Mike Musick/N0QBF) writes:
>Curtis responded:
>>
>> Yes. If you are controlling that (patch) station by radio link it has to
>> be done from an auxilary station (at or above 1.25cm).
>>
>> Doesn't this apply to two meter repeaters with autopatches?  If the patch
>> is brought up by anyone - doesn't a control operator have to be at a
>> control point since the station (repeater) cannot be under automatic
>> control when passing third party traffic?
>>
>
>According to my read of the rules, the auxiliary station is the *patch*
>station, because the primary station is the one that has the control
>operator present (that is, you on that HT). So in that instance, the
>auxiliary station has to be transmitting to you on 222 or above. Some
>people read the aux station rule to be the opposite direction (HT is the
>aux station). Either case, of course, immediately makes a 2m personal
>patch illegal.

NO! Patches are legal even at HF. So the fact that the station has a
patch isn't the primary issue. The station with the simpatch on it
is operating under the *Remote Control Rules*. You can operate *any*
station under remote control on *any* band. The *control link* must
be done under auxillary operation, and above 222 MHz, if by radio
(the control link can also be wireline of course). Automatic control
is *never* permitted for a station operating under remote control,
so that doesn't even enter into the picture.

(Automatic control is limited to repeaters when not carrying third
party traffic, to packet stations doing automatic relay, and to beacon
stations, all of which have their own special rule sections. The
simpatch station doesn't fall under any of these sections. It's just
an ordinary amateur station operating under remote control, IE a remote
base that happens to have a patch.)

Now, you can run both ends of the voice link for the patch on 2m
if you like, but you have to *control* the remotely controlled
station on 222 MHz or above. That basically means that to use
the patch as control operator, you need two radios at each end.
But if you have the simpatch station on 222 MHz or above, then
you can control it with the same radio you're using to conduct
the patch. Since that's easier, its the right way to do it. But
if you don't mind the extra radios, you can operate the simpatch
station on 2m, or any other band, including 20m or 75m if you're
crazy enough to do that.

The rules permit you to do anything with a remotely controlled station
that you can do with a station under local control, including running
phone patches. There's nothing grey about this at all.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Pulsed-Bi-Phase Com of K6HH
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 13:12:28 GMT
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In article <40n0gs$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Daniel SAVEL) writes:
>An article published by K6HH in the June, 1988 issue of the "73 AMATEUR
>RADIO" described a technique of pulsed Bi-Phase shift-keyed (BPSK)
>modulation (19.2 KB in a 3kHz bandwith!).
>
>The key element of this system was a very small phase angle deviation and a
>nanosecond linear transient of the phase modulation.

This step phase change produces products at multiples of the symbol
rate on either side of the carrier, IE sidebands. Because the step
is hyperabrupt, there are multiple sidebands, IE all the odd harmonics.
If you attempt to filter off these sidebands, the demodulated eye
closes up, thus reducing the already poor SNR of the system.

These products have a very brief duration, just during the step
change, so they're difficult to see on the spectrum analyzer, but
they are *there*, and that means pulse interference to anyone
operating up or down the band. Pulse transmission is illegal
on the bands below microwave for this reason.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:36 1995
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Subject: QRP..Wimps!
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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From: [e-mail]

Marc Depaul writes:

MD>QRPers:

MD>Why are you so proud to be running low power?  Your scrawny, scratchy,
MD>wimpy signals are giving the rest of the hams headaches.  Hold on...Let
MD>me throw my DSP on, and borrow my dogs ears.  I just love hamming with
MD>someone who is 40 over S9...speech processed and all that blower noise...
MD>Throw away that tin can and buy a real rig!  Then, buy an amp (with a
MD>loud noisy fan)...THEN get on the air.

MD>(My alter ego...)

I'd say that you definately NEED to alter your ego!
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Adopt BABIES, not manatees!



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:36 1995
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From: Buster <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: QRP..Wimps!
Date: 16 Aug 1995 19:48:47 GMT
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[e-mail] (Brian Carling) wrote
> From: [e-mail]
>
> Marc Depaul writes:
>
> MD>QRPers:
>
> MD>Why are you so proud to be running low power?  Your scrawny, scratchy,
> MD>wimpy signals are giving the rest of the hams headaches.  Hold on...Let
> MD>me throw my DSP on, and borrow my dogs ears.  I just love hamming with
> MD>someone who is 40 over S9...speech processed and all that blower noise...
> MD>Throw away that tin can and buy a real rig!  Then, buy an amp (with a
> MD>loud noisy fan)...THEN get on the air.
>
> MD>(My alter ego...)
>
> I'd say that you definately NEED to alter your ego!


  Lot's of hams aren't involved in amatuer radio to just flap their
gums over the air.  I'm in it for the challenge.  We've talked all
over the world on HF with great propogation and high power.  What is
possible with low power?  What is possible with VHF?  Somebody tells
me something can't be done, by god I'll try to do it.  Whether it's
QRP on HF or 2 meter contacts with Australia.


  Push the limits of what people think can be done.  Then go beyond.



        73's
        Buster


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Marc DePaul)
Subject: Re: QRP..Wimps!
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Hello.

I have enjoyed here and email comments from both sides of the fence...
Thanks.  My post was a sort of double entendre...the comment on the
speech processor coupled with the amp blower noise should have given
it away.  Nice to see strong feelings shown on both sides...The hobby
is alive and well!

Marc


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:37 1995
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From: klaus@L
 (Klaus Tiedemann)
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Subject: Rantec TWT P-2169 docum. ?
Date: 17 Aug 1995 00:53:32 GMT
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Hi all,
I'm looking for the documentaion for a TWT amplifier by Rantec, part number
is P-2169.

Someone offered one to me. It delivers 10w CW on 10GHz.
I have a felxible TWT power supply, but I need to know, how exactly to use
power the tube..

Thanks in advance, Klaus.
--
________________________________________________________________________________
[e-mail],       AX25: [e-mail]   on the air : DL4EBY, DK0TU
[e-mail]    Klaus Tiedemann   in the air : D-8551


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:38 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: RF Concepts Amp for 2m
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I went to a local ham store today to ask about a power amp for my marine HT.
The guy at the store said the RF Concepts amp for 2m "will not work". I asked
him if he ment that there is some kind of attenuation above the 2m band, or if
he ment that the amp is rated at 30 watts output in 2m, but will be less output
above this band. His reply was a scowl and "It will not work." Help! Any
improvement in power will help when I'm on a lake like Powell.

A more technical and/or complete answer will be GREATLY apreciated! Also, any
suggestions for more power would help!


Thanks,
Dave
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:39 1995
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Subject: RF Concepts Amp for 2m
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From: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 23:45:22 PST
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[B

P2>I went to a local ham store today to ask about a power amp for my marine HT.
P2>The guy at the store said the RF Concepts amp for 2m "will not work". I aske
P2>him if he ment that there is some kind of attenuation above the 2m band, or

P2>he ment that the amp is rated at 30 watts output in 2m, but will be less
P2>output
P2>above this band. His reply was a scowl and "It will not work." Help! Any
P2>improvement in power will help when I'm on a lake like Powell.

P2>A more technical and/or complete answer will be GREATLY apreciated! Also, an
P2>suggestions for more power would help!


P2>Thanks,
P2>Dave
P2>[e-mail]

more than likely, as this is  true with most amps, the unit is tuned
tightly for the 2-meter band.  anything outside of 2-meters will either
not trigger the amp properly or will yield output so low that it won't
be usable.  my advice is to look for a marine vhf amp (and i honestly
don't know of any amps made for marine specifically), look for a
commercial vhf amp (approx 155MHz, and commercial amps aren't cheap!),
or get a full blown mobile rig (well, boat mountable rig), that outputs
a full 25 watts.

greg
kd6ven


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Taylor (CSD Norwich))
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Subject: Satgate sysops
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Hello this message is sent on behalf of Roger G3LDI
sysop of GB7LDI.
Is there any Satgate Sysop that may be able to help?
  I am running two computers, a 486 and a 386. The
386 has the FBB BBS running in WINDOWS, HF,  VHF and  UHF.
 The  486 runs the Satgate,WISP software  also running
under WINDOWS.  Has anybody fully  automated such a  system
and if so, would it  be possible  to contact  me for
a discussion?  I need to have fully automatic  transfer
of mail  from one to  the  other, with  as  little human
intervention as possible!
 Look forward to hearing from somebody!

Ps both machines are running WFWG3.11 and talking to each
other over a small peer to peer lan.

73 de Roger G3LDI @ GB7LDI
G0LGJ @ GB7TLH
reply to email :-

[e-mail]


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Hello this message is sent on behalf of Roger G3LDI
sysop of GB7LDI.
Is there any Satgate Sysop that may be able to help?
  I am running two computers, a 486 and a 386. The
386 has the FBB BBS running in WINDOWS, HF,  VHF and  UHF.
 The  486 runs the Satgate,WISP software  also running
under WINDOWS.  Has anybody fully  automated such a  system
and if so, would it  be possible  to contact  me for
a discussion?  I need to have fully automatic  transfer
of mail  from one to  the  other, with  as  little human
intervention as possible!
 Look forward to hearing from somebody!

Ps both machines are running WFWG3.11 and talking to each
other over a small peer to peer lan.

73 de Roger G3LDI @ GB7LDI
G0LGJ @ GB7TLH
reply to email :-

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clinton Peebles)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Sound Blaster as DSP
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 13:46:49 GMT
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Is there a way of using a Sound Blaster 16 card as a DSP?
Please reply via e-mail to [e-mail]

Thanks. VE7KNL
---
 ■ QMPro 1.53 ■ A rebel without a clue....


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Manfred Lange)
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Subject: SSTV and WINDOWS?
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 21:47:55 GMT
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Is there any software for SSTV available, that is running under
WINDOWS 3.1 or WIN 95 ???

Until now I am using JVFAX 7.0 under DOS, which is running very
nicely, but I prefer running programs under WINDOWS.

Any experiences?

73's, Manfred, DK3UD.



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Name:      Manfred Lange
Location:  Hamburg / Germany
E-Mail:    [e-mail]
Ham Call:  DK3UD
Ham BBS:   DK3UD@DB0HB.#HH.DEU.EU
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (KC7LWZ)
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Subject: Re: STANDARD
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] wrote:
}what do you thing about STANDARD

I own a C558A dual Ht.
Works great and appears to work nicely with many other
mfg. periferealls etc...


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:43 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: SYNGARS?
Date: 17 Aug 1995 17:16:21 GMT
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I am looking for some information on the new military radio encryption system
called SYNGARS.

Anyone have anything...just misc facts will suffice :-)

--Dave
KB2RUM



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:44 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Thank you to ...
Date: 17 Aug 1995 18:16:33 GMT
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I wish to offer a thank you from myself and many other operators of
the 1995 World Scout Jamboree Radio Station (PA6WSJ) for the contacts
and at times helping a homesick scout feel better by being able to talk
to someone from his or her country.  The station was active 24hrs/day and
was active on many bands.  Many assigned amateurs from The Netherlands and
other countries put in long hours with the ultimate goal to help other scouts
 experience amateur radio.  I was a guest operator most nights and could
not have accomplished our goal without the help of you, our fellow HAMS.

For those who were not able to contact use, but could hear us, I apoligize
and explain having multiple radio transmitters running different bands
in close proximity of each other. (20 M noise from Dronten, the Netherlands
was S-5 to S-7 complicated communications also!)

The next Scout radio event is JOTA, Jamboree On The Air, in October.  Keep
watching for more info.....

                Yours in Scouting,
                        Mike KB9KFE
                        Explorer Post 1203/1204 (Computer)
                        Explorer Post 272 (Amateur Radio)


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[e-mail] (William A. Kirsanoff) writes:
>
>"Mayday" is the international prosign for a life-threatening emergency
>ONLY! "Mayday" should only be used on the air on any radio when a life
>threatening situation exists. Two related prosigns not as well known
>are: "Securite" for non-life-threatening emergencies (imminent danger,
>loss of property), and "Pan", for urgent traffic. (I may have Securite
>and Pan backwards, can someone verify (Gary?) it's been a long time
>since I did "that kind" of radio work.) :-)

Precedence         Voice                         CW
----------         -----                         --

Routine            Hello All Stations  (3X)      CQ       (3X)
Safety             Securite            (3X)      TTT      (3X)
Urgent             Pan-Pan             (3X)      XXX      (3X)
Distress           Mayday              (3X)      SOS      (3X)
Distress relay     Mayday Relay        (3X)      DDD SOS  (3X)


Pan rhymes with John; Securite is pronounced as Say-cur-e-tay.

Example: ``Pan-pan pan-pan pan-pan, this is US Coast Guard Honolulu,
for Hurricane Flossie update number 12 listen 2670 kHz, out.''

And on CW:  XXX XXX XXX DE NMO NMO NMO HURRICANE WRNG NR12 QSW 440 KHZ AR

Jeff NH6IL (who used to do this stuff for a living)


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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
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In article <40qnd9$[e-mail]>,
Your name  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>VOICE      CODE      MEANING
>MAYDAY     SOS       IN DISTRESS
Mayday, from the French "Maider", meaning "help".
E.g., "the shark has taken a bite out of our lifeboat".

>PAN        PAN       GOING TO BE IN DISTRESS
            XXX       Urgent situtuation.

>SECURITY   TTT      DISTRESS AVOIDANCE (WEATHER, NOTAMS, ETC.)
Usually written "Securite'"

>drawn out. Security is said as if French, (that helps explain
>the different spelling).

See above.

I don't do a lot of listening off of the ham bands; are "Pan" and "Securite'"
used much?

>Walt

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:46 1995
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From: Walter Zorn <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman) wrote:
>
> In article <40qnd9$[e-mail]>,
> Your name  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >VOICE      CODE      MEANING
> >MAYDAY     SOS       IN DISTRESS
> Mayday, from the French "Maider", meaning "help".
> E.g., "the shark has taken a bite out of our lifeboat".
>
> >PAN        PAN       GOING TO BE IN DISTRESS
>             XXX             Urgent situtuation.

It's intresting to note that PAN and XXX when run together as a prosign
sound about the same - one being inverted from the other.


> >SECURITY   TTT            DISTRESS AVOIDANCE (WEATHER, NOTAMS, ETC.)
> Usually written "Securite'"
>
> >drawn out. Security is said as if French, (that helps explain
> >the different spelling).
>

> I don't do a lot of listening off of the ham bands; are "Pan" and "Securite'"
> used much?
>

Jerry

From my listening - Securite' (TTT) is used a-lot.  In fact, this is
the season, listen to Marine Channel 16 for CG Radio Stations or
Coastal ComSta's on HF (2182 KHz).  The central east cost should be
active with these radio posts as it is about ready to be slammed.

I've never heard either used in amateur service.

Respectfully,
Walt


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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

>Precedence         Voice                         CW
>----------         -----                         --
>
>Routine            Hello All Stations  (3X)      CQ       (3X)
>Safety             Securite            (3X)      TTT      (3X)
>Urgent             Pan-Pan             (3X)      XXX      (3X)
>Distress           Mayday              (3X)      SOS      (3X)
>Distress relay     Mayday Relay        (3X)      DDD SOS  (3X)

Fascinating.  Does anybody know where "Pan-Pan" comes from?  I know
"mayday" is from "m'aidez", French for "Help me!", and I see
"SΘcuritΘ" is just French for "Safety".  But "Pan-Pan" is baffling.
It's certainly an attention-getting sound.

Rich

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From: [e-mail] (Jeff NH6IL)
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Your name <[e-mail]> writes:
>VOICE      CODE      MEANING
>PAN        PAN       GOING TO BE IN DISTRESS

Pan-Pan     XXX       Life or property in possibly danger (but not in distress)

Jeff NH6IL


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Richard McAllister, [e-mail] writes:

> Fascinating.  Does anybody know where "Pan-Pan" comes from?  I know
> "mayday" is from "m'aidez", French for "Help me!", and I see
> ["Securite"] is just French for "Safety".  But "Pan-Pan" is baffling.
> It's certainly an attention-getting sound.


The French  PAN PAN  in the urgency signal means  TO ALL  TO ALL.

If it were French 'pain, pain', pronounced almost the same, it would
mean English 'bread, bread', probably most unhelpful.  :-)

Equivalent expressions, telegraphy/voice are

type:          telegraphy:              voice:

distress       <SOS> <SOS> <SOS>        MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY
urgency        XXX XXX XXX              PAN PAN  PAN PAN  PAN PAN
safety         TTT TTT TTT              SECURITE  SECURITE  SECURITE

<SOS>, dashes extended, not faster than 16 wpm.  Parts 80.314-80.333
are exquisitely specific about what goes into a distress, ugency or
safety call, voice or (well, used to be) manual telegraphy, as well
as any replies or relays.

USCG sez they ain't listening anymore on 500 kHz, but if my boat were
sinking, I'd blast out on 'every means available', old CW freqs
included, and hope somebody hears me.  Bet USCG still are listening,
just not officially.  Or else, some ham who knows what he's hearing
and QSPs USCG RCC.

Voice procedures are still very much in use, all bands.

The experience of ops Jack Phillips and Harold Bride of blessed
memory aboard RMS Titanic, 14/15 Apr 1912, is the reason.  Present
day would-be deregulators of radio spectrum should remember the chaos
prior to the FRC and later FCC, IMHO, responsible in great part for
the disaster.

GMDSS imposes some new rules.  See now Part 80 Subpart W.

I think every competent ham operator should know Part 80 in addition
to Part 97.

= 73 de Scott KF9QK
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff NH6IL)
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[e-mail] (Scott H. Reed) writes:
>
>USCG sez they ain't listening anymore on 500 kHz, but if my boat were
>sinking, I'd blast out on 'every means available', old CW freqs
>included, and hope somebody hears me.  Bet USCG still are listening,
>just not officially.  Or else, some ham who knows what he's hearing
>and QSPs USCG RCC.

The USCG was only a tiny fraction of the stations monitoring 500 kc,
and they are the only ones who have ceased monitoring. There is still
plenty of activity on the ol' 600M calling and distress wavelength so
string up an antenna and listen in after sunset. You'll still hear
some XXXs and TTTs, and plenty of CQs (especially at the top of the
hour).

Jeff NH6IL (ex NMO CW op)


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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Richard McAllister) writes:
>Fascinating.  Does anybody know where "Pan-Pan" comes from?  I know

The little guy in the toga on the Little Caesar's Pizza commercials?

I know, I know. But that's the only thing I can associate 'pan-pan' with.
Before I read this thread I would not only NOT have recognized that as
a distress call, I would probably have answered "Pizza pizza" in total
seriousness.

--
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     WA9PDM                      way you spit, it's upwind.
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (bill harris)
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Subject: Transoceanic 7G605
Date: 18 Aug 1995 00:38:50 -0400
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  Well, I decided the other day it was time to get out the
Zenith 7G605 Transoceanic and see if it can be restored in
time for the contest at the VRPS convention in October. We are
having a category this year just for tube-type T/O's. Lots of
work to be done to get this baby in shape. The cabinet is in fair
condition. The genuine simulated alligator covering is pretty faded
on top, some gouges on the sides, the escutcheons and the
whip antenna need to be replated. I removed the chassis and it
is in good shape with no rust, just dirty.
  Uh-oh, there is a sheet of asbestos under the chassis, so I
get out the clear lacquer spray and give it several coats to seal
it and then cut a piece of cardboard the same size and glue it
down over the asbestos and then another coat of lacquer. That
should seal it so no asbestos dust goes floating around.
  Underneith the chassis is pretty clean. All the orginal
Zenith caps are there and I don't see any evidence of anyone
being here before messing around. Some of the rubber covered
wiring is very brittle is obviously going to have to be replace.
  After a few checks with the ohm meter I decided I would
risk bringing it up on the variac. After the 35Z6 warmed up I
got a nice loud hummmmmmmmmm. Bad filters. A quick check
with the frequency meter confirmed that the 1LE3 oscillator
was working, at least on the broadcast band and two of the
short wave bands so can't be too bad off. No sense going any
further until the filters are replaced. The original filter caps are
mounted in two cans on top of the chassis.
  I want to keep the chassis as original as possible so I will
remove the insides of the cans and put new caps inside.
Besides the underside of the chassis is too crowded to easily
place any there. This thing must have been built in layers.
There are components wired next to the chassis that you
cannot get to without removing overlaying components. The
old filters came out easily after heating the can with a propane
torch. New electrolytics were installed inside the cans and held
in place with hot glue. A piece of business card was cut to go
just inside the can with a hole in the center for the leads and
then covered with more hot glue.
  After installing the new filter caps, brought the set back up
on the variac and checked B+. Looks good. Punched the AM
band switch and by golly there is  a station down in New
Orleans.... not bad! Only there is hum again. It only appears
when a station is tuned in. Modulation hum. Could be the
bypass cap from B- to chassis ground. Removed one end of
the cap and tacked a new one in place and hum reduced some
but still objectionable.
  Another uh-oh, now the set is doing funny things, static,
cutting out. Found out it happens when I jiggled the tone
switch escutcheon . The switches are connected via a cable
bundle of seven wires, four of which are in a shielded jacket.
The old rubber insulation on the wires is very brittle and is
falling off and the wires are shorting out. It is so bad that the
only thing to do is replace all the wires with some cloth
covered stuff. Not going to be real easy. Getting late and I'm
tired so save that for tomorrow.

Bill Harris
Vintage Radio & Phonograph Society of Irving, TX


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Subject: Re: Transoceanic 7G605
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Sorry, posted this to wrong newsgroup.

Bill Harris - K5MIL


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From: [e-mail] (Scott Sidener)
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Subject: TUNE YOUR MOTOROLA OR DUPLEXER
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This is an experiment to see how much response I would get if I offered
a tuning/alignment service for any of the following radios for a flat
fee of $15.00.  Customer supplies shipping.

                (any band)

Motorola:       Mitrek
                Micor
                Mocom-70
                Mocom-30
                Motran
                Motrak


I would also order xtals and compensate channel elements for extra fee

I could also get pl reeds.



I would tune duplexers or cavities for a flat fee of $20.00



If this sounds interesting to you please send me some e-mail to let me know!

Thanks,

Scott Sidener    N0WFL  [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Paula Ehn)
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Subject: UMARS Balloon Launch!
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Summary: Weather Balloon launch with Amateur Radio Payload
Keywords: balloon, 2m, 10m, packet, APRS

      UMARS Balloon Launch!!!

The University of Manitoba Amateur Radio Society is launching a
balloon with an amateur radio payload on Saturday, August 19, 1995
at 9:00am from the area of Omands Creek Road and Brookside Blvd in
the city of Winnipeg, Manitoba.

Frequencies of interest are:
   a 10 meter beacon on approximately 28.08 MHz
   and APRS and packet running on 145.790 MHz

Special QSL cards will be issued for all packet contacts.
A packet contact will consist of you connecting  through your TNC
to the TNC on board the payload.  The TNC will then send your
callsign back to you and disconnect you.

We are intending to retrieve the payload and will be co-ordinating our
fox hunting efforts on VE4UMR or VE4MAN to start and then moving to
various other repeaters and links depending on where the balloon leads
us. Any help from monitoring stations will be greatly appreciated.

We expect the balloon to be in the air for roughly 4 hours maximum and
to reach an altitude of about one hundred thousand feet.

If winds are not favorable the launch may be postponed or canceled
until a new time and date can be arranged.

Many thanks the people at Akjuit Aerospace, Environment Canada, Linette
Geomatics and Bristal Aerospace for the help and support we have
received throughout the duration of this project.


Paula Ehn
Vice-President/Librarian/QSL Card Manager/UNIX Guru of
the University of Manitoba Amateur Radio Society
 ____________________________________________________________________________
| Paula Ehn  (VE4MHZ)                 | And for those of you out there who   |
| University of Manitoba              | haven't evolved up the evolutionary  |
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| Sun CAP Student Rep.                | idea is to hit the rocks together    |
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From: [e-mail] (John N0ISL)
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Subject: US Island Award FAQs Part. 1
Date: 16 Aug 1995 16:41:08 -0400
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From: NL7TB@WA7EAQ.#EWA.WA.USA.NOAM
To  : ISLDX@ALLUSA


       FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE U.S. ISLAND PROGRAM
       --------------------------------------------------------
       Part 1 of 2


       Q. What are the US I awards?
       A. US I offers certificates (red, white and blue!) for:
          -BASIC AWARD (100 islands)  -INTERMEDIATE (300 and 500)
          (plus W/VE CONTEST operations) and
          wooden plaques for ADVANCED (2 different categories).
          You can also receive a "free" island activator cert-
          ificate for activating 10 new state islands!

       Q. What info is to be exchanged for island collecting or
          activating?
       A. Island stations should send a signal report, island name
          and US I number as a minimum.  Non-island stations should
          send a signal report and their QTH.  It's more personal to
          exchange names and info about the island station (ie- WX,
          antenna used, isle description..) makes an interesting QSO.

       Q. I guess I need an elaborate station for island collecting?
       A. No, not at all!  Many island enthusiasts operate mobile or
          use a simple wire antenna, car battery or generator, a tent
          or set up right on a picnic table for portable ops.

       Q. Must I submit any paperwork to activate an island (I hate
          paperwork!)?
       A. Only if you're applying for one of our many awards and then
          the paperwork is minimal!


        ...cont'd on Part 2

Imported to Internet from AX25 by N0ISL
John Douglas, N0ISL
AX.25 N0ISL@KZ7I.#MSP.MN.USA.NOAM
I'm in Minnesota only because I must be somewhere!


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From: [e-mail] (M Lang)
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Hi, anyone can recommend a good VOX headset? (brand, model?)
I'll be using it with an ICOM HT.

Thanks.

 - Minh -


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From: [e-mail] (Lewis Stephens KC5PSX)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (M Lang) wrote:

> Hi, anyone can recommend a good VOX headset? (brand, model?)
> I'll be using it with an ICOM HT.
>
> Thanks.
>
>  - Minh -

I'm using the Radio Shack Communication Headset with my Icom HT. Seems to
work fine. Cost $50.


Lewis

~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
Lewis Stephens KC5PSX [e-mail] Pasadena,Texas
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (KE4IOF)
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Subject: Re: VOX headset recommendation?
Date: 17 Aug 1995 22:27:50 -0400
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (M Lang) writes:

>Hi, anyone can recommend a good VOX headset? (brand, model?)
>I'll be using it with an ICOM HT.
>
>Thanks.
>
> - Minh -
>
>

Believe it or not, Radio Shack sells one that works fairly well. I got
mine for $49.95. If your ICOM is the split plug type, it should work.


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (KD1YVJim)
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Subject: WESTERN CONNECTICUT HAMFEST
Date: 17 Aug 1995 22:55:16 -0400
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          THE WESTERN CONNECTICUT HAMFEST
Sponsored by the Candlewood Amateur Radio Association

Sunday, Sept. 17, 1995                      0900-1400
Edmond Town Hall                 Route 6, Newtown, CT
Admission $6.00                 Kids under 12 free
Tables inside                      Tailgating outside
ARRL Sanctioned                    Handicapped Access
Door Prizes                             Ample Parking
Refreshments                            Rain or shine

For table reservations ($10.00 each, includes 1 admission), mail to
Candlewood Amateur Radio Association, PO BOX 3441, Danbury CT 06813

For more info, phone [phone] or [phone].

Hope to see you all there.
73 de KD1YV
Jim


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:57 1995
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From: Lord GAD <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: What is "HAM"??
Date: 16 Aug 1995 15:05:07 GMT
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There is an excelent small article on the meaning of the word HAM
in the current QST magazine. Of course I forget what page...

GAD - KB2VMH

--

        His eminence, Lord GAD


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:58 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Where should novice wannabe start?...
Date: 18 Aug 1995 16:50:08 GMT
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Well.. No responce to my last msg, so...<grin>
Where should I start? Totally lost in regards to getting a ham-license.
Where can I buy software for flash-card type studying of the questions that'll be asked?
What about morse-code? Read an article not long ago about going for the 20wpm (or 20cpm?) speed vs
the 5wpm Novice requirement. It made sense to me. Any opinions?



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Kaylor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WTB VS-1 & IF-10B
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 22:11:25 GMT
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I am looking for both a VS-1 and IF-10B this is the voice synthesizer
and computer control chipset for the Kenwood TS-711/811 series all mode
radios. If anyone has either of these that they would like to get rid of
either e-mail me or phone [phone] and ask for Dave between 8:30 am and 10:00 pm
EDT. thanks in advance. Dave KB8EAP.



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 15:05:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J Barnett)
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Subject: Young Hams of America
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Prospective member:

        Hello.  My name is Beau Barnett, from Adamsville, AL.  My callsign is
KT4BI.  A group of teenage 'HAMS' got together and decided to help the
younger generation of amateur radio operators attain a larger 'voice' in
the hobby.  We decided to start a club.  Around two months ago, the four of
us decided to try to take it national, and we have allready reached
international status.  YHA actively pursues 'HAMS' under the age of 21, but
in no way are we denying anyone a membership, regardless of age.  If you
would like some more information on YHA, please post it here, or email me
at:

                [e-mail]

with a subject of 'YHA Information'.  I will then expedite you some
information.  Thanks, and see you on the air.


        KT4BI



        Beau Barnett, Vice-President, YHA


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:12 1995
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Subject: Re: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONE
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: Re: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONES ON

>I've been reading with some amusement the response from Clint Bradford &
>others about the spam ad from MacGuyver on cell phones.
>
>While I hate to see spam, I also hate to see uninformed hams make
>pronouncements that are less than correct.

My FIRST HAND information came directly from Southern California's
largest cellular carrier, FYI.
---
 ■ wcECHO 4.1 ≈ AR-Net: ATTENTION to Details ■ Mira Loma, CA ■ 909-681-6221


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:12 1995
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Unsubscribe Info-Hams [e-mail]




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add info-hams



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Charles Morrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 2 Meter Amps and 440 Mhz.
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 08:15:27 GMT
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I've got a question that has probably been answered several times in this
group, but since Im gonna ask again.

I am interested in purchasing a 2 meter amplifier for my vehicle.  This is
where I have a question.  In my vehicle I've got a Kenwood 742, which is
DualBand (at this time, no other "active" bands in this area) and would like
to amplify it, but due to budjet (aint it the same for all of us??) the
*really* nice RF Concepts Dual Band amp is out of the question.  My question
is this, If my main concern is 2 meters, will a straight 2 meter amplifier
cause any signal degradation of my 70cm signal?  Can I run a straight 2 meter
amplifier, or do I *HAVE* to have a dual band amp?  This is of course assuming
that I have a less then 100w Comet DiPlexer in line, which would not handle
the power Im looking for (+150w).

Help?  Suggestions?

Charlie


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:15 1995
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From: Tu and Bob Myers <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 2 Meter Amps and 440 Mhz.
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 10:46:27 -0400
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Sorry to ruin your day, but the only 2 meter amplify/440 pass through
amplifier I know of is another RF concepts product, VHF-160...

Be seated before reading further.

US$249.95 in HRO's spring-summer '95 catalog.  The model that amplifies
on both bands is `only' US$40.00 more.

Bob
of Tu and Bob

On Sun, 20 Aug 1995, Charles Morrison wrote:

> I've got a question that has probably been answered several times in this
> group, but since Im gonna ask again.
>
> I am interested in purchasing a 2 meter amplifier for my vehicle.  This is
> where I have a question.  In my vehicle I've got a Kenwood 742, which is
> DualBand (at this time, no other "active" bands in this area) and would like
> to amplify it, but due to budjet (aint it the same for all of us??) the
> *really* nice RF Concepts Dual Band amp is out of the question.  My question
> is this, If my main concern is 2 meters, will a straight 2 meter amplifier
> cause any signal degradation of my 70cm signal?  Can I run a straight 2 meter
> amplifier, or do I *HAVE* to have a dual band amp?  This is of course assuming
> that I have a less then 100w Comet DiPlexer in line, which would not handle
> the power Im looking for (+150w).
>
> Help?  Suggestions?
>
> Charlie
>
>


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Larson)
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Subject: Re: 2m AM...  What part of band?
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In article <412kok$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John Chapman) writes:

>It looks like the only place left might be at 145.65 due to wide bandwith
>of AM.


  AM with 3 kHz max audio frequency will have 6 kHz bandwidth -- a
lot less than the 16 kHz bandwidth that is typical of the common 2
meter FM with the same audio bandwidth.

        Alan

wa6azp


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Chapman)
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Subject: Re: 2m AM...  What part of band?
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Ken Harrison ([e-mail]) wrote:
: A few of us would like to put our vintage 2 meter AM sets on the air
: and we were wondering what part of the 2m band we might set up shop in.

: Anybody out there play around with 2m AM and if so, where are you operating?

: 73,
: Ken
: --

: __________________________________________________________________________
: Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


2 METERS (144-148 MHz):
144.00-144.05   EME (CW)
144.05-144.10   General CW and weak signals
144.10-144.20   EME and weak-signal SSB
144.200         National calling frequency
144.200-144.275 General SSB operation
144.275-144.300 Propagation beacons
144.30-144.50   New OSCAR subband
144.50-144.60   Linear translator inputs
144.60-144.90   FM repeater inputs
144.90-145.10   Weak signal and FM simplex
                (145.01,03,05,07,09 are widely used for packet)
145.10-145.20   Linear translator outputs
145.20-145.50   FM repeater outputs
145.50-145.80   Miscellaneous and experimental modes
145.80-146.00   OSCAR subband
146.01-147.37   Repeater inputs
146.40-146.58   Simplex
146.61-146.97   Repeater outputs
147.00-147.39   Repeater outputs
147.42-147.57   Simplex
147.60-147.99   Repeater inputs

From the ARRL Bandplan (above);

It looks like the only place left might be at 145.65 due to wide bandwith
of AM.
  Might listen for a few days in your area.

John, N0KIC






From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:16 1995
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Subject: Re: 2m AM...  What part of band?
Date: 19 Aug 1995 20:14:21 GMT
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In article <413m5f$[e-mail]>, Alan Larson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>  AM with 3 kHz max audio frequency will have 6 kHz bandwidth -- a
>lot less than the 16 kHz bandwidth that is typical of the common 2
>meter FM with the same audio bandwidth.

If I remember right, the 5 kHz deviation of NBFM was chosen to equal
the bandwidth of an AM signal? Looks like you are thinking telephone
line bandwidth. Broadcast AM is wider than 6 kHz.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:17 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 2m AM...  What part of band?
Date: 20 Aug 1995 17:11:28 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>In article <413m5f$[e-mail]>, Alan Larson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>  AM with 3 kHz max audio frequency will have 6 kHz bandwidth -- a
>>lot less than the 16 kHz bandwidth that is typical of the common 2
>>meter FM with the same audio bandwidth.
>
>If I remember right, the 5 kHz deviation of NBFM was chosen to equal
>the bandwidth of an AM signal? Looks like you are thinking telephone
>line bandwidth. Broadcast AM is wider than 6 kHz.

I don't think any talking about running "broadcast" AM here.  That would
be wider than 6 KHz (would be more like up to 20 KHz).  Commercial
quality voice telephony with 3 KHz audio requires 6 KHz bandwidth
(6K00A3E).  Simply Bn=2M

Commercial quality FM telephony for the same audio requires 16 KHz of
bandwidth (16K0F3E). This applies to the typical amateur FM work
where the highest modulating freq is 3 KHz, the peak deviation
is 5 KHz, and the modulation index is 1.  Bn=2M+2DK.

--
Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2m Transverter Question
Date: 21 Aug 1995 09:42:19 GMT
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>I am planning to use it with a Kenwood TS-850 SAT. If you've used
>anything like this, I would appreciate your input.

Tony,

A good transverter in combination with the 850 will beat any VHF
multimode hands down, and they have become popular with contesters,
EME ers and the like. Many converters are homebrew though. I recomend
trying to get hold of the "VHF DX Book" by Ian, G3SEK.

73, Moritz DL5UH



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Richard Rosenfeld)
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Subject: Re: 2m Transverter Question
Date: 21 Aug 1995 15:02:18 GMT
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>I agree a TS-850 with a good Xvtr will outdo any mult-mode vhf/uhf rig
>but beware the 850 requires disabling the Hi Power Final stage to use the
>Xvtr's.  Kinda makes it useless for making meteor skeds on HF then going back
>to vhf.
>
I disagree - you could very easily build into the unit an attenuator pad
to bring 10 watts down to, say, a few hundred milliwatts.  Ten-Tec's 6m
xverter does this and thus runs directly off the RF output of the rig.

I am sure you could get the 850 down to 5 or 10 watts out, thus this would
be quite an attainable goal.
--
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Run/walk in Bermuda Marathon, Jan. 12-15, 1996 | accepted and welcome.  Email
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Charles H. Reichert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2m Transverter Question
Date: 21 Aug 1995 17:12:42 GMT
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In article <41a75q$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Scott Richard Rosenfeld) writes:
|> >I agree a TS-850 with a good Xvtr will outdo any
|> mult-mode vhf/uhf rig
|> >but beware the 850 requires disabling the Hi Power Final
|> stage to use the
|> >Xvtr's.  Kinda makes it useless for making meteor skeds
|> on HF then going back
|> >to vhf.
|> >
|> I disagree - you could very easily build into the unit an
|> attenuator pad
|> to bring 10 watts down to, say, a few hundred milliwatts.
|> Ten-Tec's 6m
|> xverter does this and thus runs directly off the RF
|> output of the rig.
|>
|> I am sure you could get the 850 down to 5 or 10 watts
|> out, thus this would
|> be quite an attainable goal.
|> --
|> Member, Leukemia Society's "Team in Training." |
|> Tax-deductible contributions
|> Run/walk in Bermuda Marathon, Jan. 12-15, 1996 | accepted
|> and welcome.  Email
|> -----------------------------------------------| or call
|> for more info.  All
|> Scott Rosenfeld NF3I Burtonsville MD 301-549-1022 |
|> sponsors welcome.  Thanks!

--
True..but now you need additional Relays for switching
in/out the HF section.  Not
impossible but I'm not sure if the display will correctly
show the frequency in use.
In the Xvt'r mode the display can show 50, 144, 432, etc ..
or at least per the Kenwood
rep I talked to it will.  Almost got one until I found out
about the Jumper change.

Picked up the TS-690S instead which has 6 Meters and at a
lower cost.
Excellent Receive IMD, Sensitivty, and apparent low noise on
HF and 50 Mhz.  Of course
you still need Xvtr's for the other bands.  If I had to go
the attenuator route anyways
then the 690 gave me more for less.

BTW 144, 432, and up are Open!  Been working out to 700
miles on 432.  Should be good
tonight.



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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Agenda for Southwestern Division Convention?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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The upcoming Southwestern Division Convention in two weeks will be my first.
Just wondered if anyone knows the agenda, in particular for the first day
(Friday)?  I hadn't planned to get there much before early afternoon that
day.

Also, I booked a room at the Hyatt.  Anyone know if the Queen Mary is
walkable from the hotel?  Last time in Long Beach, we stayed at the Hilton,
and I know it was a good drive from there.

So far, we have received only a postcard confirmation of our
convention/dinner reservations.  Is more forthcoming?

Thanks in advance and 73,

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
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[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:21 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone have study aid
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: Re: Anyone have study aids for Novice exam?

> If you have Tech or Novice study software files you would like to donate
> or if you know of where I could find some I would appreciate the help.

Here's the finest I found when I was searching:

[Also available at ATD BBS in the tagline.]

Novice/Technician Class Manager
General Class Manager
Advanced Class Manager
Extra Class Manager

FEATURES:

-  Simple, intuitive system for preparing for Ham License
   Examinations
-  Perfect tool for Volunteer Examiners for creating tests
-  Manages entire question pool
-  Begin reviewing at any question
-  Review questions sequentially or randomly
-  Shuffle answers for each question if desired
-  Take a test from randomly chosen questions (within the
   guidelines of the FCC testing criteria)
-  Full set of options for customizing tests, including a Test
   Design Screen
-  Print complete tests, along with answer sheets and score key
-  Save tests to disk for later use
-  Study assist screen tells you what areas you need to study after
   taking a test
-  Pop-up on-screen calculator
-  Automatically "remove" a question from the "question card deck"
   when answered correctly, if desired
-  Manually remove any question from the "deck" at any time
-  Reinsert into the "deck" any previously removed question
-  Start review all over by putting all "cards" back into the deck
-  Show answers always or only after an attempt at the answer has
   been made
-  Saves option settings, deck, and last question number to disk to
   "pick up where you left off"
-  Print any part of the question pool

Versions available for DOS and WINDOWS

CONTACT:

William R. Wharton, Jr.
PRACTICAL-ly Software
513 Glenview Drive
Oxford, OH 45056

Technical Support: [phone]  8 a.m.-10 p.m. EST
FAX: [phone]
BBS: [phone]  24 hours 300/1200/2400/9600/19200 bps


Clint Bradford
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shanta McBain)
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Subject: APRSxxx.???
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Hi

I am looking for the latest version of the APRS program. Any one know
were it is stored.


Thanks
Shanta McBain
VE7 TIT A little bird told me so.
Vernon BC



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:22 1995
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From: "George L. Hiscox" <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] (Shanta McBain) wrote:
>Hi
>
>I am looking for the latest version of the APRS program. Any one know
>were it is stored.
>
Should be available from tapr.org or muncey.com via anonymous
ftp.

Good luck,

--
| George L. Hiscox                 | Very funny Scotty... Now |
| [e-mail]               | beam down my clothes !!! |
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Pat Masterson)
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Subject: Re: APRSxxx.???
Date: 20 Aug 1995 17:28:16 -0400
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 Does anybody know if work is being done on a Baycom
 driver for APRS software? I don't have a real TNC, and
 would like to do APRS with my Baycom.
 -pat




--
Pat Masterson


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:24 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: ARLB081 ARRL reply to rules plan
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB081
ARLB081 ARRL reply to rules plan

ZCZC AG48
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 81  ARLB081
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  August 18, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB081
ARLB081 ARRL reply to rules plan

The ARRL has filed reply comments on FCC proposals of several rules
changes, in WT Docket 95-57.

The League reiterated its original comments (detailed on page 59 of
September 1995 QST) and responded to several comments and
suggestions by others.

On the matter of a lifetime amateur operator license (an original
ARRL proposal) versus granting to an expired licensee credit for
licenses previously held (the FCC's proposal), the League said that
while comments were mixed, those comments on the FCC's proposal
failed to consider a lifetime alternative as a superior alternative.

The League cited its strong opposition to the idea of a volunteer
examination ''session manager,'' saying that the shared responsibility
of three volunteer examiners is crucial for continuing the integrity
of the VE program.

The League in its reply comments said that most others who commented
supported its proposal to increase from two to four the number of
licensed members required to constitute an Amateur Radio ''club'' for
the purpose of obtaining a club station license.

Finally, the ARRL noted that almost no comments had been received,
pro or con, on proposals to expand the ways to ''sign portable'' and
to offer temporary 1X1 call signs to special event stations.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:25 1995
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Subject: ARLP035 Propagation de KT7H
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SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP035
ARLP035 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP04
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 35  ARLP035
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  August 18, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP035
ARLP035 Propagation de KT7H

Solar activity continues to drift into the low part of the cycle.
Flux was below the average for the previous 90 days on every day
over the past week.  Flux is expected to gradually drift up to a
plateau around 75 between August 28 and September 3, then drop back
around 70 after the first week in September.  Expect a moderately
active geomagnetic field around September 5, 6, and 10 due to
recurrent coronal holes.

The latest prediction for the rest of this solar cycle shows a
slight rise in solar flux this fall before the bottom of the cycle
around June through December, 1996.  Flux should be back up around
current levels around April, 1997.  The peak in solar flux for the
next cycle is projected for August, 2000.

For sunspot numbers the expected minimum is around April to June,
1996.

Sunspot Numbers for August 10 through August 16 were 24, 22, 12, 11,
0, 38 and 41, with a mean of 21.1.  10.7 cm flux was 73, 72.9, 71.9,
70.8, 70.1, 71.4 and 70.5, with a mean of 71.5.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Al Gerheim)
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Subject: Automatic Operation on HF?
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In the latest issue of QST, they mentioned automatic operation
on HF.  It has apparently just been approved by the FCC.  This
apparently allows any station to use HF Packet with no control
operator present in very small sub-bands. This will allow you
to receive mail from friends via HF while you are out.  Almost
as good as email! ...but more fun!

Where are the sub-bands?  What are the rules?
Please post your answer as it may be of general interest.

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:26 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Autopatch Legality Query??
Date: 21 Aug 1995 15:38:22 GMT
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[e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh) wrote:
[snip]
>
>Besides getting into the issue about "Wether a club has the right to tell us
>how to talk and use equipment" (which this club has done in the past)...I have
>a specific question.
>
>One of the exmples they gave as "legal...but this is something we would have
>not wanted to listen to." was to order a pizza over the patch. Another example
>was listed as "Not legal", and it was calling work to say that you are going to
>be late. As a matter of fact, they also claim that a HAM that even calls
>another at home, to call into work for him, is in violation of FCC law as well.
>
>My question is this: How can a call to a business over the patch that results
>in monetary gain for both parties (pizza call), be considered legal...and a
>call to your work to say that that you will be late (where no one is being
>financially compensated) be called "not legal"?
>
>Heck, my boss would worry about me being hurt or something, if he didnt hear
>from me in a timely manner...what do you think? Is the club correct? Are they
>talking out there rears?

97.113(a)(3) prohibits communication where the licensee has a pecuniary
interest, including commnications on behalf of an employer.  This is
where calling in late to work is interpreted as being a no-no.  You have
a pecuniary interest in going to work since they pay you - in addition,
if your employer wants to know if you will be late, such communications
would be on behalf, or in the interest of your employer.

The infamous "pizza" calls were previously interpreted as being illegal.
 Now you can get away with it, I guess.  But I don't believe the actual
rule was changed, just the interpretation (someone tell me if I am wrong
on that).  But you should remember that the reason the interpretaion was
relaxed was to allow Amateurs to assist with logistics for public
service.  It was not done to turn the Amateur service into an alternative
for another, more appropriate service, such as cellular.

97.103(a)(5) prohibits "Communications, on a regular basis,which could
reasonably be furnished alternitively through other radio services."
This is where one might be justified in saying that you should consider
GMRS or a cellular phone if you want to talk to the same person (like
your spuose) on the autopatch every night on your way home from work or
conduct "personal business" communications.  Just a thought.

--
Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:27 1995
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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Autopatch Legality Query??
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In article <41a2at$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Christopher K Greenhalgh" writes:

> As a matter of fact, they also claim that a HAM that even calls
> another at home, to call into work for him, is in violation of FCC law
> as well.

I would suggest that if your boss tells you to call or if you supervise
the person you are contacting, then you're way out of bounds.  But if its
a friendly wake-up call because you suspect your co-worker and friend
overslept or forgot to come in, then it is just the pizza case again where
it is not in your own pecuniary interest, and so is okay with the FCC.

However make sure you do use phone patch even if the person you are
calling is licensed.  He can reply to you as third-party traffic but to do
so directly over the air would violate 97.113 (a) (3) in respect of his
own license but not yours :-)

But anyway, if it's not okay with the repeater group, then the matter is
moot because that's their privilege to dictate their own rules.

--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:28 1995
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From: Tu and Bob Myers <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: bicycle rig
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 10:33:46 -0400
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Suggestion:  (Means I haven't tried it myself) Standard's ear microphone.
I talked with a bicycle mobile who used it to get rid of wind noise.

Advice:  (Means I've tried it, and it works.)   Get a 6 or 7 Ampere hour
"gel cell" (about 3 x 4 6 inches) and put it in the handle bar bag.  You
can charge it with a Radio Shack wall cube charger.  It gives you 12vdc
for high power and has 5 or 6 times the operating time of even the 1200
mili Ampere Hour NiCads.  While not as fancy as a "Power Station", it's a
lot cheaper.

A "battery maintainer" solar panel (300 ma or so) will keep it charged if
you want to be completely "off the grid".

Bob
of Tu and Bob

On 19 Aug 1995 [e-mail] wrote:

> >  Does anyone have an idea for a good bicycle rig set-up? I'm considering
> >  bringing my HT while riding for emergency purposes.
>
> Me too. My pocket cell-phone's useless on most of my 'remote' bike rides..
> The CB walkie-talkie (sp?) is even uselesser. Not unless you can actually talk redneck-retard.
>
> Also.. Are most ham type portables so quick on the battery-drainage? My walkie-talkie can barely last
> 4hrs with NO transmitting.
>
>
>


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Sollows)
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Subject: Re: bicycle rig
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 16:03:37 GMT
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Tu and Bob Myers <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Suggestion:  (Means I haven't tried it myself) Standard's ear microphone.
>I talked with a bicycle mobile who used it to get rid of wind noise.

Our Search and Rescue team uses a great mic that would be ideal
for this purpose. I believe it's called the Hayden Dynamic Spike Mic.
It looks like an ear phone but it also works as a mice by picking up
the vibrations that pass through the jaw bone to your ear as you
speak, The result is a very sensetive high performance mic that
completely eliminates outside noise and is also non-obtrusive. They
work very well and sound good, We can speak in a whisper over the
radio while standing on the skid of a moving helicpoter (probably the
worst noise conditions possible). All the other station hears is us
not the background noise. I should warn you they aren't cheap, I think
we got them for about $100.00 each.



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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Anthony Regala )
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Does anyone have an idea for a good bicycle rig set-up? I'm considering
bringing my HT while riding for emergency purposes.

Thanks,

ANTHONY --KE6WUB--


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:30 1995
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>  Does anyone have an idea for a good bicycle rig set-up? I'm considering
>  bringing my HT while riding for emergency purposes.

Me too. My pocket cell-phone's useless on most of my 'remote' bike rides..
The CB walkie-talkie (sp?) is even uselesser. Not unless you can actually talk redneck-retard.

Also.. Are most ham type portables so quick on the battery-drainage? My walkie-talkie can barely last
4hrs with NO transmitting.



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Jarrett)
Subject: Re: CC&R restrictions
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[e-mail] wrote:
: I've read all the posts about CC&R restrictions. Whether one thinks they
: are the sacred rights of the seller, or they are interfering with the
: rights of the buyer, there is no denying they can be used as an economic
: 'stick'.

<snip>

: Well, it is also fun to see their faces when I tell
: them, "No thanks" after they spend the time finding then reading to me
: from the contract.

<snip>
: I won't compromise, and have never
: bought a house with restrictive CC&R's. The ARRL, or some national ham
: organization should take it as a sacred duty to educate all the great
: unwashed mass of hams so none of them buy a home only to find they can't
: put up on their own home something so central and important to their hobby.

This is the best posting I've seen in this thread.  I've done exactly the
same thing and in every case I've ended up with a better deal than you
get in those stacked together tract homes . . . even if they do cost 100
grand plus!

Right now I live on 4 acres in an excellent school district in a
subdivision that has reasonable restrictions.  And I spent no more than I
would have if we had bought a house in a highly restricted (read "no
antennas") subdivision on a tiny lot with the home next door only 20 feet
away.

Stick to your guns!  It WILL take longer to find a house.  You won't be
sorry you took the time!  And the message may start getting out.
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DORR DEPEW)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Communication badges for sale?
Date: 21 Aug 95 09:56:25 EST
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In article <412q5o$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard Delaney) writes:
> Ken Harrison ([e-mail]) in article ve <[e-mail]> on 18 Aug 95 02:03:12 -0800 wrote:
> : In article <40uf02$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard Delaney) writes:
> : > Are there any places that sell badges that have something to do with
> : > communications/ham radio. Such as Communications Specialst, or Ham radio
> : > operator.
>
> : What in the HELL does a ham need a badge for?  I've seen an ad in QST
> : for such a thing and it made me laugh out loud!  I guess some people
> : really need to try EVERYTHING to stroke their poor pitiful egos.  I
> : feel sorry for the person who has to go out and buy a brass badge to
> : help them feel important.

Yeah, and some people get their jollies by flaming folks who ask innocent
questions on the internet, trying to get information.  How about leaving off
the profanity, too?

For info of the original poster, if you want a badge, you can get one
through mail order -- ads in QST and other ham mags.

Our local club, which is active in emergency comm work, uses another method
of ID, however.  We bought some high-visability "vests" that go over our
clothing...has our club name and EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS on it.

Good luck and 73,

Dorr Depew
N4QIX



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Antonio Bosso)
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Subject: Convention HF-DX e IOTA
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lewis Stephens KC5PSX)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CW Filters
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 10:11:30 -0500
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I am having a bit of trouble haering a single station and coping an entire
qso on 40 meters novice band cw. I'll admit that the ears here aren't what
they were twenty years ago and I need to know if a 500hz cw filter is the
answer for me. I use a Yaesu FT-840 and have only been at this a few
weeks, but I am beging to believe that I'll never get passed the hump.
What few cw qso's I have had I have enjoyed and I really do want ot
continue with this mode of communication.

My questions are;

   Will the optional cw filter help me?

   What sould I expect to hear after I install the filter?

   Are there any options other than the Yaesu product for a cw filter?
Does any one make a third party filter?

   Are there better ways to do what I need other than a cw filter?

Thanks in advance for what ever help you can give me.

Lewis Stephens KC5PSX

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner)
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Subject: Re: CW Filters
Date: 20 Aug 1995 22:36:20 -0700
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I consider a 500 Hz filter the absolute MINIMUM filtering needed for
CW work these days.  I really like 250 Hz and less, but the 500 will
do the job in conjunction with IF shift or PBT controls.

The Yaesu filter will do fine for you.  I don't know how hard the
installation is, probably pretty simple, but get a friend to help
if you haven't done it before!  Find another ham who knows about
these things....

The filter, when in line, will make things sound "thinner" and it will
take more skill tuning in a station on CW.  However, you will be able
to tune in one station at a time now.  And the background noise will
be a little less loud.

There is another filter company you might check out, besides Yaesu,
it is IRCI in Florida.  They are not very helpful after the sale,
but their filters are good, and less expensive than Yaesu, I believe.
Check QST for the ads - International Radio and Computer Inc.

Clark
WA3JPG


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In article <[e-mail]>,
Lewis Stephens KC5PSX <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am having a bit of trouble haering a single station and coping an entire
>qso on 40 meters novice band cw. I'll admit that the ears here aren't what
>they were twenty years ago and I need to know if a 500hz cw filter is the
>answer for me. I use a Yaesu FT-840 and have only been at this a few
>...
>Lewis Stephens KC5PSX

I got a 250 hz filter for my ICOM, and it makes a big difference.  I have
to use headphones at night, and the noise is brutal.  The CW filter cuts
out much of it, and keeps nearby stations from interfering with your QSO.
Don't know what difference to expect between 250 hz and 500 hz filters.
A friends Ten-Tec rig has a 200 hz filter, and it's great.

73...Jim  N2VNO


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:37 1995
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[e-mail] (Lewis Stephens KC5PSX) wrote:

>My questions are;
>
>   Will the optional cw filter help me?
>
>   What sould I expect to hear after I install the filter?
>
>   Are there any options other than the Yaesu product for a cw filter?
>Does any one make a third party filter?
>
>   Are there better ways to do what I need other than a cw filter?
>
>Thanks in advance for what ever help you can give me.
>
>Lewis Stephens KC5PSX
>

Lewis,
I have used my dads' 840 and the CW bandwidth is HUGE.  I have been using a TT with 150hz filter
and it is a dream.  I would look into a DSP, as it will be a godsend on 40.  Killing heterodynes,
narrow audio bandpass, and some noise reduction, it should make the whole trip better.  Also, a
DSP-9 should be cheaper than the yaesu filter.

73
N1QDQ




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 19 Aug 1995 06:10:07 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Brian Carling <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
>From: [e-mail]
>
>ROTFLL! I just love this stuff, he he he!
>Gary you really are the biggest BS'er on here!

He's funny sometimes when he wants to be, but you'll really get a
laugh out of the Extra the other day who said Morse code isn't
any modulation at all!!!  He didn't even include a smiley!!  Maybe
that Pellicio character is right; amateur standards sure have slipped
if Extras learn 20WPM code but don't even understand the most fundamental
modulation mode!!  Maybe the time spent learning Morse code and then
ranting about would be better spent learning *radio theory*!!!  It would
sure cut down on the appliance operator syndrome so commonly whined
about.

>GC>Note: while I'm having a bit of fun, all this is true. We really
>GC>could do single sideband Morse, and it should really be about
>GC>8 times more effective, just like SSB voice versus DSB AM voice.
>GC>And they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. :-)
>
>GC>Gary
>
>Go ahead. We will wait for your first construction article for SSB CW
>to appear in QST. Bet it will be a while!

Oh, I don't know, Brian.  Take a few moments off from flaming people who
dare to be technical, learn a thing or two and maybe you could beat Gary
to the punch (though QEX (not QST) publishes the really interesting projects,
so you'd better off trying that first).

Take care!

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:39 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 19 Aug 1995 04:26:27 GMT
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In <40oh0r$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (michael silva) writes:
>You're fighting a losing battle here.  CW came to mean radiotelegraphy
>in ham circles a very long time ago.

and this is one of the reasons some "pros" hold amateurs in disregard.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



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From: [e-mail] (michael silva)
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 19 Aug 1995 17:38:30 GMT
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In <413p5j$[e-mail]> [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk) writes:
>
>In <40oh0r$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (michael
silva) writes:
>>You're fighting a losing battle here.  CW came to mean
radiotelegraphy
>>in ham circles a very long time ago.
>
>and this is one of the reasons some "pros" hold amateurs in disregard.
>
(a) I don't believe it, (b) if some "pros" are brooding over a useage
that became common before they were born, then the problem is entirely
theirs, and (c) maybe you should extend your term-correction crusade to
radiotelegraphy itself, since the method actually involves no -graphy.

Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:40 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 19 Aug 1995 20:04:30 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Brian Carling <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
>From: [e-mail]

>How many hams use your "simpler than CW" circuitry today?

Almost exactly the number who use your keyed CW oscillator.
FYI the CW circuitry in my IC-745 is pretty complex. The CW
filters alone cost around $300 and my Bencher hand key cost
$80. It came equipped for SSB and FM. I had to spend an additional
$380 to get on CW.

>Anyway, FWIW, the addition of
>the mike would make it more complex, rather than simpler.

Actually, a carbon mike is a much simpler device than the average
commercial Morse key. You can make one out of pencil lead.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 19 Aug 1995 23:30:50 GMT
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In article <415l4b$[e-mail]>, Scott H. Reed <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Dana Myers, [e-mail] writes:
>
>> In article [...] Brian Carling <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>> ROTFLL! I just love this stuff, he he he!
>>> Gary you really are the biggest BS'er on here!
>
>> He's funny sometimes when he wants to be, but you'll really get a
>> laugh out of the Extra the other day who said Morse code isn't
>> any modulation at all!!!  He didn't even include a smiley!!  Maybe
>> that Pellicio character is right; amateur standards sure have slipped
>> if Extras learn 20WPM code but don't even understand the most fundamental
>> modulation mode!!  Maybe the time spent learning Morse code and then
>> ranting about would be better spent learning *radio theory*!!!  It would
>> sure cut down on the appliance operator syndrome so commonly whined
>> about.
>
>Don't take said Extra as typical.  Anectdotal.  You would prolly like to
>think you know more than your average Extra, but you don't.  Otherwise,
>1) you would have earned the grade; and 2) you'd realize that CW really
>is the fundamental commo mode.
>
>BTW, Adv was the hardest am lic to earn.  After Adv, Extra theory was a
>piece of cake; it was the code that held me back.  Then put your back
>into it and learn it and stop yer bitching.
>
>If I've got this whole conv wrong, forgive.  But Extra-bashing always
>seems to occur amongst those who haven't yet earned it.

A simple check of the callsign database would have saved you the
need to be forgiven; my callsign is in my .signature.  Maybe
you should actually read a thread and figure out what is actually
being said before starting off on the condescending lectures.

>Mean while I'll todder away on my straight key ....  And keep in mind, I
>'fully support' GMDSS -- when you learn >that< means, kiddo, then we can
>talk, eh?

Of course I know what GMDSS is...


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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ross Alexander)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 19 Aug 1995 01:06:28 GMT
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I've lost the >CM>> attrib.  Apologies to all. >CM> is Brian C.

[e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:

>CM>>An FM transmitter is much more complex. A basic CW transmitter is just an
>CM>>oscilator set to the desired freqeuncy and hooked up to a switch.

>CM>And an FM transmitter is just an oscillator hooked up to a microphone.
>CM>I built one 40 years ago. Single tube oscillator and a carbon mike.

>Oh sure! How many FM VHF broadcast stations in the U.S. are using this
>technique with a carbon mike?

About as many as there are HF broadcasters using an oscilator [sic]
hooked up to a switch :).

regards,
Ross
--
Ross Alexander, ve6pdq  --  [phone]  --  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 18 Aug 1995 23:08:37 GMT
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In article <4132b6$[e-mail]>,
Curtis Wheeler  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Dana Myers) wrote:
>>In article <4107rn$[e-mail]>,
>>John Minger <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>In article <4105gl$[e-mail]>,
>>>Ross Alexander <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>[e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:
>>>>
>>>>>Not hardly Dana. You can't modulate a carrier when it is turned off!
>>>>>There is no modulation in morse CW.
>>>>
>>>>If there's no modulation, pray tell us what carries the information?
>>>>I really wonder how some people get on the air with such a deficient
>>>>knowledge of theory...
>>>>
>>>The presence or absence of carrier is the only source of information.
>>>It's just a lot less than meets the eye....
>>
>>The presence or absence of the carrier *is* the modulation; though
>>it has been said before, imagine for a moment an AM transmitter
>>that is modulated with a baseband digital signal of a low
>>baud rate.  That's Morse coded CW.  It is just the same
>>as modulating the carrier with an audio tone, except the
>>modulation shape and frequency are different.  *All* of rules
>>still apply.  Have a look at the discussion in the ARRL Handbook;
>>my 1994 copy explains this all pretty well.
>
>Is this entire thread about whether or not continuous wave telegraphy (as
>in the emission designator A1A) is a form of modulation?  It is...at
>least legally it is.  The technoid bunch can keep arguing over it for the
>rest of their lives as far as I am concerned.

It isn't the technoids that are arguing; we're  mostly in violent agreement,
and Carling seems to be acquiescing.

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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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Now I've heard it all, Curtis! CW is considered amplitude modulation!
OK, and RTTY is also considered SSTV.

CW>[e-mail] (Dana Myers) wrote:
CW>>In article <4107rn$[e-mail]>,
CW>>John Minger <[e-mail]> wrote:
CW>>>In article <4105gl$[e-mail]>,
CW>>>Ross Alexander <[e-mail]> wrote:
CW>>>>[e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:
CW>>>>
CW>>>>>Not hardly Dana. You can't modulate a carrier when it is turned off!
CW>>>>>There is no modulation in morse CW.
CW>>>>
CW>>>>If there's no modulation, pray tell us what carries the information?
CW>>>>I really wonder how some people get on the air with such a deficient
CW>>>>knowledge of theory...
CW>>>>
CW>>>The presence or absence of carrier is the only source of information.
CW>>>It's just a lot less than meets the eye....
CW>>
CW>>The presence or absence of the carrier *is* the modulation; though
CW>>it has been said before, imagine for a moment an AM transmitter
CW>>that is modulated with a baseband digital signal of a low
CW>>baud rate.  That's Morse coded CW.  It is just the same
CW>>as modulating the carrier with an audio tone, except the
CW>>modulation shape and frequency are different.  *All* of rules
CW>>still apply.  Have a look at the discussion in the ARRL Handbook;
CW>>my 1994 copy explains this all pretty well.

CW>Is this entire thread about whether or not continuous wave telegraphy (as
CW>in the emission designator A1A) is a form of modulation?  It is...at
CW>least legally it is.  The technoid bunch can keep arguing over it for the
CW>rest of their lives as far as I am concerned.

CW>If you are keying carrier with digital or quantized information (ie:
CW>Morse code) it is considered amplitude modulation.  Necessary bandwidth
CW>can be calculated for a A1A signal (100 Hz bandwidth is necessary for 25
CW>wpm).

CW>There is no calulation for bandwidth of an unmodulated, continuous wave
CW>(N0N) emission (at least not for necessary bandwidth).  As soon as you
CW>start keying that emission with information, it's considered to be
CW>modulated.  If it's taking up bandwidth, it's modulated - in my book.

CW>I missed the beginning of this thread (it expired here).  What does all
CW>this have to do with the subject of "CW, we need it"?

CW>--
CW>Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:44 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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You've lost the thread Ross. This had nothing to do with
BROADCASTERS. It was about hams, but don't let reality interfere
with your schtick about FM transmitters being simpler to build than
CW transmitters, he he!

RA>I've lost the >CM>> attrib.  Apologies to all. >CM> is Brian C.

RA>[e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:

RA>>CM>>An FM transmitter is much more complex. A basic CW transmitter is just
RA>>CM>>oscilator set to the desired freqeuncy and hooked up to a switch.

RA>>CM>And an FM transmitter is just an oscillator hooked up to a microphone.
RA>>CM>I built one 40 years ago. Single tube oscillator and a carbon mike.

RA>>Oh sure! How many FM VHF broadcast stations in the U.S. are using this
RA>>technique with a carbon mike?

RA>About as many as there are HF broadcasters using an oscilator [sic]
RA>hooked up to a switch :).

RA>regards,
RA>Ross
RA>--
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:45 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
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DM>>Is this entire thread about whether or not continuous wave telegraphy (as
DM>>in the emission designator A1A) is a form of modulation?  It is...at
DM>>least legally it is.  The technoid bunch can keep arguing over it for the
DM>>rest of their lives as far as I am concerned.

DM>It isn't the technoids that are arguing; we're  mostly in violent agreement,
DM>and Carling seems to be acquiescing.

Yo, "Myers" - good thing we calmed down that dope "Carling" huh?
---
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:45 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
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DM>Oh, I don't know, Brian.  Take a few moments off from flaming people who

Rotfll, Dana - I know that you would never flame people, grin!
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:46 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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BC>How many hams use your "simpler than CW" circuitry today?
(FM transmitter that is)

CM>Almost exactly the number who use your keyed CW oscillator.
CM>FYI the CW circuitry in my IC-745 is pretty complex. The CW
CM>filters alone cost around $300 and my Bencher hand key cost
CM>$80. It came equipped for SSB and FM. I had to spend an additional
CM>$380 to get on CW.

NONSENSE! What pure _B_  _S_!

Cecil, there are plenty of amateurs on QRP using simple one and two
transistor rigs, some home brew, some kits. I mean THOUSANDS!
Yes, a number of them may also own your $4,000.00 commercial rig too.
BTW - if you are paying $300 for CW filters for an ICOM, you got taken!

CM>Actually, a carbon mike is a much simpler device than the average
CM>commercial Morse key. You can make one out of pencil lead.

Again, pure B.S. Hams DO use morse keys, but I don't know any that use
carbon mikes.
---
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ross Alexander)
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
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>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
>From: [e-mail]

>You've lost the thread Ross. This had nothing to do with
>BROADCASTERS. It was about hams, but don't let reality interfere
>with your schtick about FM transmitters being simpler to build than
>CW transmitters, he he!

Brian,

You've got your atributation botched.  But it's trivially easy to go
back and get the original.  Let me help your memory.  The question
about "how many broadcasters" was your question, not mine.  I just
offered an answer.  I didn't invent the question.

>RA>I've lost the >CM>> attrib.  Apologies to all. >CM> is Brian C.

>RA>[e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:

>RA>>CM>>An FM transmitter is much more complex. A basic CW transmitter is just
>RA>>CM>>oscilator set to the desired freqeuncy and hooked up to a switch.

>RA>>CM>And an FM transmitter is just an oscillator hooked up to a microphone.
>RA>>CM>I built one 40 years ago. Single tube oscillator and a carbon mike.

>RA>>Oh sure! How many FM VHF broadcast stations in the U.S. are using this
>RA>>technique with a carbon mike?

These two lines are the center of Brian's error.  They are HIS speech, not
mine.  I don't know whether this was deliberate or an error, so I'm
going to be charitable and presume the latter.  After all, Brian has
made so many errors in this group, we can't be surprised at another.

>RA>About as many as there are HF broadcasters using an oscilator [sic]
>RA>hooked up to a switch :).

And the above two lines are my answer.  Now, here's the base post (in
it's complete form, headers and all) that Brian made, and that I was
responding to:

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] Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
] From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
] Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
] References: <40vrej$[e-mail]>
] Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 14:35:00 -0500
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] ~Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
] ~From: [e-mail]
]
] Is this what happens when there is "INTEL INSIDE?" -
]
] CM>>An FM transmitter is much more complex. A basic CW transmitter is just an
] CM>>oscilator set to the desired freqeuncy and hooked up to a switch.
]
] CM>And an FM transmitter is just an oscillator hooked up to a microphone.
] CM>I built one 40 years ago. Single tube oscillator and a carbon mike.
]
] Oh sure! How many FM VHF broadcast stations in the U.S. are using this
] technique with a carbon mike?
]
] How many hams use your "simpler than CW" circuitry today?
] We were not talking about 40 years ago. Anyway, FWIW, the addition of
] the mike would make it more complex, rather than simpler.
] ---
] \376 SLMR 2.1a \376 I'm donating my body to science fiction!

If anyone feels that I've misquoted Brian, or that the words "Oh sure!
How [...] carbon mike?" are indeed mine and not Brians, please speak
up.  (I have replaced two 0xFE characters in the post with the string
"\376" out of respect for the RFCs.)

regards,
Ross ve6pdq
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:48 1995
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I have a Delcom 960Air Aviation Tranciever that need repaired. Does
anyone know where I can find a schematic for this radio, or where to
send it to have it repaired.

Thanks
Brian

Please email responses to [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No way!
Date: 19 Aug 1995 04:32:55 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (frank mackenzielamb) writes:
>No to dropping the code...that simple.
>73 De Frank
>NG1I nr Boston

too late, we already did for VHF and up.

nobody said you would have to stop using it.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:49 1995
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DORR DEPEW ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio) writes:
: > In article <40rjnk$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dana
: >> Okay, Yes to dropping the code (probably replacing it with some other
: > examination > requirement(s)).

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Do you realize if the Morse Code requirement were dropped,
this newsgroup along with rec......policy could be eliminated

     -= 73 =-  john  k3nxu   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:50 1995
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In case you don't want the art work of my home page :-)
try the following:

 http://www.clinet.fi/~jukka/webcluster.html

A great ham page!

73 de N5PHT,  Gary


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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:53 1995
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Subject: Re: Foxhunt at HAMCON-95 in Long Beach
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RDF EQUIPMENT FOR EUROPEAN/ASIAN STYLE FOXHUNTING
Part 3 -- Commercial and Homebrew RDF Sets

Competitors in HamCon/Foxhunt-95 may use as much RDF gear of any type as
they can carry by themselves, so long as the gear does not radiate any
signals that would interfere with other hunters.  Besides the simple
setups described in Part 2, here are some specialized RDF devices to
consider for your arsenal:

In an international championship foxhunt, the first transmitter will be at
least 3/4 of a kilometer from the starting point, running as little as 250
milliwatts.  Tuned or untuned field strength meters (such as the
Sniff-Amp) and commercial "bug detectors" will not have sufficient
sensitivity to hunt at this distance.  However, these units are excellent
when you are a few yards away from a well-concealed transmitter and you
can't get enough attenuation with your sensitive equipment.

AM-based Dual-Antenna Sets

The Little L-Per dual-pattern RDF set by L-Tronics[1] is popular with
search and rescue teams that hunt Emergency Locator Transmitters in the
wilderness.  It consists of a dual-dipole antenna set, switcher, and
receiver with attenuator and zero-center meter.  It has two modes for RDF.
 The switched mode gives a very sharp left-right indication on the meter,
making it easy for the user to walk the bearing line toward the
transmitter.  In the non-switched mode, the antenna performs like a
two-element phased array and the meter reads signal strength; this is
better for very weak signals.

The sharpness of the zero crossing indication in the switched mode makes
possible more precise bearings than those obtainable with a quad or yagi.
Under ideal conditions with a well-built unit, bearing accuracy is within
one degree.  Meter deflection tells the user which way to turn to zero the
meter.  For example, a negative (left) reading requires turning the
antenna left.  This solves the 180 degree ambiguity caused by the two zero
crossings in each complete rotation of the antenna system.

The L-Per receiver has 4 crystal-controlled channels, which limits its
versatility on ham bands.  Plans for the Happy Flyer DF, a very similar
dual-pattern design, are in the T-hunt book.[2]  This homebrew unit can be
added to most VHF receiver models with a little minor surgery.  Both units
have RF gain controls that can be used to gauge relative distance to the
fox.

FM-based Dual-Antenna Sets

Dual-antenna add-on sets such as the SuperDF kit,[3] Ramsey Foxhound,[4]
Simple Seeker[5] and W9DUU design[6] give sharp left-right indications
similar to the L-Per, but they can be used on two meters with ordinary
narrowband FM hand-helds and scanners.  The RDF set plugs into the antenna
and earphone connectors of the receiver; no modification of the receiver
is required.  These "phase-front detector" sets use the
time-difference-of-arrival (TDOA) principle, which ignores amplitude
variations in the signal.  No attenuator is required with them.

The above three sets all use left/right LED indicators to show deviation
of the signal from the bearing line.  The Handy Tracker[7] is a simple
TDOA set with two audible null patterns to resolve the front/back
ambiguity instead of LEDS or a meter.  It uses only one IC and has a
smaller antenna pair.

Sets which give only a front/back bearing line and do not resolve the
ambiguity are also available.  These are not recommended because they give
you a 50/50 chance of going the wrong direction.

Objects near the observer such as concrete/steel buildings, power lines,
and chain-link fences will distort the incoming wavefront and give bearing
errors.  Even a dense grove of trees can sometimes have an adverse effect.
 It is always best to take readings in locations which are as open and
clear as possible, and to take bearings from numerous positions for
confirmation.  Keep taking bearings as you move along to "eyeball average"
the readings.  Some TDOA RDF sets have a slow-response mode that aids the
averaging process.

Because most TDOA's lack any indication of signal strength, it can be
difficult to gauge distance to the fox.  It is not uncommon to see a
foxhunter walk over the top of a concealed transmitter and walk away,
following the opposite 180 degree null, because he had no display of
signal amplitude.  To avoid this, keep moving and take bearings very
frequently, verifying that you are still approaching by carefully
observing the left/right indication.

TDOA sets were were plagued by cross-modulation from out-of-band signals
when used with extended-range hand-helds in the 1991 Portland Friendship
Games foxhunt.  This can be a serious problem if there are strong VHF-FM
transmitters nearby and the receiver's front end has very broad response.

Switched-pattern and TDOA sets use vertical antenna elements and usually
do not perform well if the fox is horizontally polarized.  IARU ARDF rules
call for fox antennas to be horizontal.  However, the HamCon/Foxhunt-95
foxes will be vertically polarized so that switched-pattern and TDOA sets
can be used.  It should be noted that experienced European foxhunters
claim that DFing vertically polarized signals in the woods is much more
difficult than DFing horizontal signals, because reflections from trees
are more pronounced with vertical polarization.

To see homebrew and commercial equipment for foxhunting, come to the
HAMCON-95 T-hunt forum on Saturday morning (September 2) at 9 AM on the
Queen Mary.  Mark your calendar for HamCon/Foxhunt-95 on September 3 and
plan to participate.  Get your on-foot T-hunting gear ready.  Have some
practice hunts in your back yard.  See you at the hunt!

REFERENCES:

[1]  L-Tronics, 5546 Cathedral Oaks Road, Santa Barbara, CA 93111

[2]  Moell and Curlee, "Transmitter Hunting---Radio Direction Finding
Simplified," TAB/McGraw-Hill Books, pp. 106-113

[3]  BMG Engineering, 9935 Garibaldi Avenue, Temple City, CA 91780.
Reviewed in the T-hunt book.

[4]  Ramsey Electronics, 793 Canning Parkway, Victor, NY 14564.  Reviewed
in 73 Amateur Radio Today Magazine "Homing In" column, December 1993.

[5]  Geiser, "A Simple Seeker Direction Finder," ARRL Antenna Compendium,
Volume III, p. 126 and ARRL Handbook, 1995 Edition, pp 23.72-23.73

[6]  Bohrer, "Foxhunt Radio Direction Finder, 73 Amateur Radio Today, July
1990, pp. 9-11.  Contact W9DUU for circuit board availability.

[7]  Moell, "Build the Handy Tracker," 73 Magazine, September 1989, p. 58
and November 1989, p. 52

73 de Joe K0OV

Packet:  K0OV@WB6YMH.#SOCA.CA.USA
Internet:  [e-mail]
CompuServe:  75236,2165



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RDF EQUIPMENT FOR EUROPEAN/ASIAN STYLE FOXHUNTING
Part 1 -- What the Rest of the World Uses

You might think that all competitors in an international championship RDF
contest should be required to use the same type of equipment and that all
sets should give identical performance.  But equipment preferences and
availability vary greatly from country to country, so this is not
practical.  IARU rules for championships instruct entrants to bring their
own gear.  Any type of RDF set is allowed, so long as it can be carried by
the contestant and does not radiate any signals that would interfere with
the hunt.

Preferences in equipment vary greatly from country to country.  For
instance, homebrew RDF sets and kits are very popular in Germany.
Projects are featured regularly in ham magazines there.  The same is true
in Scandinavian countries.  Australian foxhunters have traditionally built
their own gear such as "whoopee sniffers" (portable receivers with audio
S-meters), but the sport is becoming so popular there that commercial
sniffers are now coming to market.

Almost all foxhunters in the former Soviet Union use commercial RDF units
made at the Barnaul Radio Factory in southern Siberia.  The Russian
"Altai-145" is a complete two-meter receiver/antenna unit in one piece.
The AM receiver is built into the boom of a 3-element yagi.  The foxhunter
holds it overhead and orients the yagi for loudest signal in the
earphones.  For safety in the woods, the yagi elements are made of curved
steel tape that folds over instead of impaling the operator or breaking.
The receiver is VFO-tuned (non-synthesized).  There is no FM detector or
BFO, but it has a quencher circuit that interrupts the signal at an audio
rate to create an audible tone in the user's headphones.  Slope detection
of FM signals works fine.  There is no S-meter.  Sensitivity is low,
approximately 7 microvolts threshold.

The Barnaul Radio Factory in Russia would like to sell its RDF sets around
the world.  They were used successfully in the 1993 Friendship Radiosport
Games in Victoria, Canada.  However, they cover only 144-146 MHz.  (The
two meter band includes only this range in IARU Regions 1 and 3.)
Furthermore they lack the IF-stage selectivity required to perform
reliably in the crowded band conditions of a typical US city.  Stations up
to 50 KHz away can cause serious QRM.  They work much better in Russia,
where two meter repeaters are a rarity.

In Japan, commercial foxhunt receiver/antenna units made by Mizuho are
popular.  The Model FRX-2001 features a synthesized receiver built into
the boom of a two-element HB9CV phased array beam, with selectable AM and
FM detection.  The phased array is smaller than an equivalent yagi, making
it excellent for use in the brush.  Electronic attenuation and audible
strength indication are included, along with an S-meter.  An audio-pitch
signal strength circuit feeds one channel of stereo headphones, with
receiver audio in the other channel.  The FRX-2001 tunes 144-146 MHz, but
can be changed to cover 146-148 MHz by a simple modification of the
synthesizer.  This unit is not marketed in the USA because the Mizuho
importer does not believe that the cost of FCC Part 15 certification will
be recovered by the small number of projected sales at strong-yen prices.
Estimated retail cost in the USA would be well over $300.

Stay tuned for part 2, where I'll describe easy ways to get ready for
HamCon/Foxhunt-95 using two-meter gear you may already have.

73 de Joe K0OV
Packet:  K0OV@WB6YMH.#SOCA.CA.USA
Internet:  [e-mail]
CompuServe:  75236,2165



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Homingin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Foxhunt at HAMCON-95 in Long Beach
Date: 19 Aug 1995 12:34:13 -0400
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RDF EQUIPMENT FOR EUROPEAN/ASIAN STYLE FOXHUNTING
Part 2 -- Easy Ways to "Sniff" Foxes on Two Meters

There is no "standard" two-meter RDF setup for on-foot use by hams in the
USA.  Every ham who is experienced at "sniffing" has his or her own idea
of what works best in a given situation.  Try the various methods
described below and see which ones you like most.

Handie-Talkie Tricks

Special sniffing gear is great if you can build or buy it, but you can
usually find "foxes" with just a handi-talkie and simple accessories.  The
very simplest way to get a bearing with just your hand-held is to use the
"body shield" technique.  Hold your HT tight against your chest and turn
around slowly, looking for the direction at which your body blocks the
signal most effectively (the signal null).  At this point, the signal is
coming from behind you.  When you are so close that you can't find the
signal minimum, remove the HT's "rubber duck" and try again.

If the signal is so strong that you can't find the null, try tuning 5 or
10 KHz off frequency to put the signal into the skirts of the IF passband.
 If your hand-held is dual-band (144/440 MHz) and you are hunting on two
meters, try tuning to the much weaker third harmonic of the signal in the
70 cm band while performing the body shield.

For more controllable signal reduction on two meters, use a "waveguide
attenuator" made from a sturdy pasteboard tube about 3 feet long and 4
inches diameter.  Cover the outside of the tube and one end completely
with aluminum foil.  For durability and to prevent accidental shorts, wrap
packing tape over the foil.[1]

To use this attenuation scheme for body fade bearings, hold the tube
vertically against your chest and lower the hand-held into it until the
signal begins to weaken.  Holding the receiver in place, turn around
slowly and listen for a sudden decrease in signal strength.  If the null
is poor, increase the depth of the receiver in the tube and try again.
You do not need to watch the S-meter, which will be out of sight in the
tube.  Instead, use signal quieting to estimate signal strength.  For
extremely strong signals, remove the HT's antenna or extend the wrist
strap with a piece of string to get greater depth into the tube.

The body fade null, which is rather shallow to begin with, can be obscured
by reflections, multipath, nearby objects, etc.  Step well away from your
vehicle before trying to get a bearing.  If you can, stay away from large
buildings, chain-link fences, metal signs, and the like.  If you do not
get a good null, move to a clearer location and try again.

Using Directional Antennas

International championship foxhunters prefer RDF sets with a sensitive
RF-gain-controlled receiver and a simple directional antenna.  You could
carry the 4-element yagi or quad that you normally use for mobile hunting,
but it's rather large and cumbersome.  You don't need that much gain and
pattern sharpness.

International hunters frequently choose two-element phased arrays such as
the "HB9CV" and "ZL Special" because their close spacing makes them easy
to carry.  They are often made of curved steel elements (like a steel tape
measure) so they are less likely to cause injury when crashing through the
brush at running speed.  These antennas have modest gain in one direction
and a null in the opposite direction.  Multipath tends to fill in nulls,
so the peak response is almost always used for obtaining bearings.

Another good sniffing antenna is the Shrunken Quad.[2]  It is more compact
than a yagi or phased array and is safer because it does not have long
pointed elements.  It is somewhat tricky to tune and has a narrow
bandwidth (about 500 KHz), but it is an excellent choice if most of your
hunts are on the coordinated frequency (146.565 MHz).

Much of the time, you can use your handi-talkie's S-meter to take bearings
with your small RDF antenna.  When you get so close that the S-meter goes
off scale, you will need to reduce (attenuate) the signal into the
receiver without affecting directivity.  Simple resistive RF attenuators
that are commonly used for mobile hunting will be of limited use, because
the signal will bypass the attenuator and and go through the receiver case
by the time you have put in a few attenuation steps.  To reduce direct
pickup by the receiver, you can make a shielded box for the HT.  You can
also try putting the HT in a hollow tube as described above.

There is another kind of attenuator, called an "active," or "offset"
attenuator that converts a strong on-frequency signal into a weaker
off-frequency signal.  To use it, tune your receiver to the offset signal,
which can be adjusted for attenuation of as much as 100 dB.  Signal
leakage into the receiver case is not a problem with this kind of
attenuator.  Construction plans have been published,[3] and a commercial
version is available at reasonable cost.[4]

If you have a dual-band hand-held, you get will the equivalent of 40 to 60
dB attenuation by tuning it to the third harmonic of the hunt frequency.
A small UHF yagi or quad will give sharp bearings on the hidden T's third
harmonic when you are within a few dozen feet.

If you aren't over your Visa card's credit limit, watch for part 3, where
I'll describe specialized sniffing gear that's available and popular in
the USA.

REFERENCES:

[1]  Rickerd, "A Cheap Way to Hunt Transmitters," QST, January 1994, p. 65

[2]  Moell and Curlee, "Transmitter Hunting---Radio Direction Finding
Simplified," TAB/McGraw-Hill Books, phased arrays 41-43, Shrunken Quad
173-176, shielded boxes 166-167

[3]  Eenhoorn, "An Active Attenuator for Transmitter Hunting," QST,
November 1992, pp. 28-30 and ARRL Handbook, 1995 Edition, pp. 23.74-23.75

[4]  Arrow Antenna, 1461 Peacock Place, Loveland, CO 80537 [phone].
 Also sold by Antennas West, Box 50062-S, Provo, UT 84605.  Reviewed in
"Homing In" column of 73 Amateur Radio Today magazine, July 1994 issue

73 de Joe K0OV

Packet:  K0OV@WB6YMH.#SOCA.CA.USA
Internet:  [e-mail]
CompuServe:  75236,2165



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
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Subject: FS: CB $25
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 19:25:35 GMT
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        FORSALE:

        Uniden PRO501XL Citizens Band Radio, comes with Radio Shack Magnetic
roof anntenna,  This is a mobile unit and needs to be pluged into a
cig lighter.  The CB is in minit condition, It has 1 or 2 minor
scratches at the most. $25,  Buyer pays for shipping.



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lewis Stephens KC5PSX)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FT1000-MP ??
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 10:17:03 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Sandy Lynch) wrote:

> J.Fitter BV/N0IAT ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
> :Talked to my friends at T-Zone today about the FT-1011MP.  This is the
JA-only
> :number for the 1000/D.  They claim there is a 200-watt MOSFET final option
> :available, so the 1000-MP should be upgradable/changeable too..
> :Perhaps the copy in QST is mis printed????
> : --
> : 73 from Joe BV2/N0IAT  Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C.
> : Ex. 7J1AOF(Japan) KA0ZDH(novice) YU3/N0IAT(Slovenia)
> : Licensed Radio Amateur since 1986 //comments are mine only
>
> Hmmmm..... this is very interesting.  In Japan, Yaesu uses often uses
> different product numbers for the domestic market.  If the FT-1000MP
> is known there as the FT-1011MP, then I'd guess it is an extention of
> the FT-990 line up.  The FT-990 is known as the FT-1011 series in Japan.
>
>      US/Europe       Japan
>      FT-1000D        FT-1021X
>      FT-1000         FT-1021
>      FT-1000MP       FT-1011MP (???)
>      FT-990          FT-1011
>
> Admittedly, it looks more like a FT-1000 series though.  Should be la
> nice radio, but I'm still pretty happy with the FT-1000D. :-)


I called Yaesu tech support. The MP is a 100 watt, with dual in band
vfo's, a new menu set up system, and new DSP section. That was the extent
of the technicians knowledge on the subject.

Lewis

>
> Cheers
> Sandy
> WA6BXH/7J1ABV
> [e-mail]

~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:58 1995
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Subject: Re: FT1000-MP ??
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:24:49 -0400
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>
> I called Yaesu tech support. The MP is a 100 watt, with dual in band
> vfo's, a new menu set up system, and new DSP section. That was the extent
> of the technicians knowledge on the subject.
>
Reading the ad in QST would lead one to believe that the radio has two
independent receivers, each with its own S-meter.  But, I think you're
right in that all it is is two VFO's, each with its own knob; sort of
like the old TS940 without VFO-2 knob.  I also agree that the MP appears
to be an upgrade to the FT-990.  Some quick checking with HRO indicates
that the price will be under $3K......Ron, W4VR.


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:15:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCNFgbKEIgGyRCOHkbKEI=?= Isao SEKI)
Newsgroups: fj.rec.ham,tnn.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham Fair'95 in Tokyo WWW server and Cu-SeeMe reflector
Date: 19 Aug 1995 17:07:56 GMT
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Hi,

Ham Fair'95 will come on Aug. 25-28.  Ham Fair is a biggest fair for
Ham in Japan.  Japan Amateur Radio League will work a radio all of
ham band, 8J1HAM.  We, Packet Radio User's Group will join the fair.
We will work a WWW server at HAM FAIR, "www-harumi.prug.or.jp".  You
can access the server Aug.25-28 from the Internet.  And we will work
a real time broadcast from Ham Fair by Cu-SeeMe.  Our reflector will
be "reflector.prug.or.jp".

www-harumi:     163.213.30.1
reflector:      163.213.1.100

We are also working a www server every day, "www.prug.or.jp" and
an anonymous ftp server, "ftp.prug.or.jp".

If you have any question for this project, please contact to
"[e-mail]".

Isao
--
Isao SEKI / JM1WBB / [e-mail] / [e-mail]
http://www.prug.or.jp/people/jm1wbb.html


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Pat Masterson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham Stores in Germany?
Date: 20 Aug 1995 09:51:37 -0400
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Keywords: Stores Ham

 My friend KD1F will be in Germany next week, and was
 wondering if there are any Ham stores in Frankfurt,
 Koln, Bonn, or Dusseldorf? Thanks. -pat











--
Pat Masterson


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RJ. Turner)
Subject: Help Please
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The football season's is nearly here, and I try to follow AFN/AFRTS
broadcasts on 873, 1047, and 1107 KHz. The signal comes out of Germany, I
think, but when it does get to Bristol, South West England it's often too
weak and suffers cross station interference. I switch between frequencies
to gain snatches of the commentary but I really need help. So please any
help would be appreciated.

Richard

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:01 1995
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From: Gary Stone <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help, DX sites on the Internet
Date: 21 Aug 1995 01:23:19 GMT
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[e-mail] (Robert Strickland) wrote:
>I would appreciate direction/sources/sites that cover DX topics.
>Thanks.

Start with my home page listed below.  It is not for hams, but it has a
link (go to 'links') for the DX Packet Cluster on the web.  It is great
for DX and it has many more sites listed therein.  Enjoy my wifes art
work on the way.  :-)

Gary


--

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Bushong)
Subject: Re: Home Page
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In article <41399u$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Wow this Ham has gone mad with his graphics. Check out his personal home page
@
>this URL,
>
>http://www.bridge.net/~ws9a

Wow, this ham has gone mad with his spam on a ham newsgroup.  It's not really
a personal home page, it's more like an ad.

Shame on you, Michael.

And by the way, keep your day job.  You are a good example of a bad example of
how to make a WWW page.




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:02 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Home Page
Date: 18 Aug 1995 23:55:42 GMT
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Wow this Ham has gone mad with his graphics. Check out his personal home page @
this URL,

http://www.bridge.net/~ws9a


CQ  CQ   CQ  de  WS9A


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Caron)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ideas for software
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 15:03:49
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Good Day to all. I am in the process to develop a database with Visual Basic
which would strictly address Ham radio issues.
The database would have:

1- A detailed database about the operator.
2- A detailed logbook.
3- A packet table
4- A repeater table
5- A Police table
6- A banished countries table
7- A list of Int'l abreviations table
8- Morse Code References from A to Z and 1 to 9 and HighAscii Char
9- Int'l Frequencies
and more....
Actually there is such software that I wrote in french and sold exclusively
in Quebec. Of course the version that I plan is totally in english to be sold
in English Canada and the US
If you have any other ideas that would be good to add, please reply
also if you wish to become beta tester let me know. Once completed, the software will be available
vis FTP
Regards...





From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:04 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!prairienet.org!mgarrett
From: [e-mail] (Mark A. Garrett)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Indianapolis Balloon Launch Sept 9
Date: 19 Aug 1995 17:23:10 GMT
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Indianapolis Balloon Flight Sept 9

Windtrax 5  95, a continuing series of Amateur radio balloon flights for
fun and education will be having it's first balloon launch at the New
Agusta Public Academy in Indianapolis Indiana on Saturday September 9,
1995 at 7:30 am EST/CDT or 12:30 UTC.
The balloon will carry to 90,000 feet Amateur Television (ATV) on 439.250
vertical polarity showing two camera views and a color video Id'er.
Transmitter power 1.5 watts.

GPS/packet on 446.000 running 1 watt with packet at 1200 baud showing
latitude/longitude and altitude information.

And, a cross band repeater.  Input will be in 144.300 FM with outputs on
444.850 at 250 mw and on 52.525 using a recrystalled and slightly tweaked
baby monitor transmitter at approxmately 80 mw

A HF net on 3871 khz will be held to provide status and launch coordination.

All amateurs are invited to participate.  Schools that wish to
participate in this flight are encouraged to contact Doug Craig at the
New Agusta Public Academy or Chuck Crist at [phone] for more
information on how to participate in this and future shool flights.

Sponsors of this flight are the New Agusta Public Academy and
Chuck Crist, WB9IHS.  Paul Bohrer, W9DUU and Terry Hudson, KT9V

Permission granted to distribute this announcement.
8/19


--
Mark Garrett   [e-mail]
               KA9SZX @ N9LNQ.#ECIL.IL.USA.NOAM


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tony Goodloe)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: internet access of new call signs?
Date: 21 Aug 1995 13:58:54 GMT
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I have heard it rumored that I can find out my new call sign
via the internet. Any truth to this? If so, where?

tony


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:06 1995
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 18/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 18 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 19 AUGUST - 21 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  72/8

GOES satellite data for 17 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   4.3E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 9.6E+08 (high)
       X-ray background: A1.0
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             19 Aug             20 Aug             21 Aug
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 19 Aug:  72/8

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 17 Aug
    Learmonth        5  2211 1221
    Fredericksburg   5                          12
    Planetary        8                          12

Observed Kp for 17 Aug: 2224 3322
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
19 Aug    10    Quiet to unsettled
20 Aug    15    Unsettled
21 Aug    25    Unsettled to minor storm
COMMENT: IPS Geomagnetic Warning 20 was issued on 18 August and is
current for interval  20-21 August. Coronal hole associated
geomagetic activity is expected 20-21 August.
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3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
18 Aug      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
19 Aug      normal         normal         normal
20 Aug      normal         fair           fair
21 Aug      normal         fair           fair-poor
COMMENT:Degarded HF comms conditions are expected at mid to high
latitudes 20-22 August.
-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
18 Aug    17    near predicted monthly values

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
19 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values
20 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values
21 Aug    10    Near predicted monthly values/depressed 10 to 15%
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with some spread
F observed near dawn.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values with blanketing
sporadic E observed 04-09UT.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values.

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Regional Warning Centre)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.amateur.misc,ips.solar.activity,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.info
Subject: IPS Daily Report - 19 August 95
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Date: 19 Aug 1995 23:13:45 -0000
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 19/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 19 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 20 AUGUST - 22 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  72/8

GOES satellite data for 18 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   5.5E+04
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.8E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 1.6E+07 (normal)
       X-ray background: A1.0
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             20 Aug             21 Aug             22 Aug
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 20 Aug:  74/11

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 18 Aug
    Learmonth        5  2211 1221
    Fredericksburg   8                           8
    Planetary        8                           6

Observed Kp for 18 Aug: 2121 2222
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
20 Aug    15    Quiet to unsettled
21 Aug    25    Unsettled to minor storm
22 Aug    15    Unsettled
COMMENT: IPS Geomagnetic Warning 20 was issued on 18 August and is
current for interval  20-21 August. Coronal hole associated
geomagetic activity is expected 20-21 August.
-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
19 Aug      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
20 Aug      normal         fair           fair
21 Aug      normal         fair           fair-poor
22 Aug      normal         fair           fair
COMMENT: Degarded HF comms conditions are expected at
mid to high latitudes 20-22 August
-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
19 Aug    14    near predicted monthly values

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
20 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values
21 Aug    10    Near predicted monthly values/depressed 10 to 15%
22 Aug    10    Near predicted monthly values/depressed 10 to 15%
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: near predicted monthly valuesTownsville MUFs:
near predicted monthly values
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Degraded HF comms conditions may be experienced during interval
21-22 August for southern region Australia only.

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (M Lang)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is US ham license in Canada valid?
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 15:12:57 +0000
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In article <40rmd4$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman) wrote:

> In article <40r383$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >In <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (M Lang) writes:
> >>Hi, I'm wondering if I can use my ham radios while I visit
> >>Canada? Is the US ham license recognized in Canada? I'm
> >>not talking about communicating with Canadian hams but
> >>rather using ham radio equipments between our groups while
> >>we visit there.
> >>Thanks for any info.
> >> - Minh -
> >Yep,  priviliges will depend upon your license class..
>
> That "Yep," should read "Yep, if you are a US citizen holding the US
> license".
>
> >Villy VE6SQ
>
> //jbaltz
> jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
> [e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz

Thanks to all who responded to my original question. I appreciate
your help. Yes, I'm a US citizen holding a US ham radio license.
I'll probably operate only on 2m VHF. Is the frequency allocation same as
here in the states?

 - Minh -


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ian King )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is US ham license in Canada valid?
Date: 20 Aug 1995 09:20:57 GMT
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M Lang ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Thanks to all who responded to my original question. I appreciate
: your help. Yes, I'm a US citizen holding a US ham radio license.
: I'll probably operate only on 2m VHF. Is the frequency allocation same as
: here in the states?

Virtually identical. Repeater outputs are 145.1-145.5 (-600), 146.6-147.0
(-600) and 147.0-147.4 (+600). Simplex is found on 146.4-146.6 and
147.4-147.6, and the national FM calling frequency is the same as in the
USA (mind you, it seems to be underused).

cheers,
Ian VE7FTP
--
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\                  standard disclaimers apply                 \


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re:  List of US ZIP Codes
Date: 21 Aug 95 13:32:38 GMT
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> From: [e-mail] (James Muller)
> Subject: List of US ZIP Codes
>
> Does anyone know where I can find a ASCII or .DBF file containing
> all US zipcodes, city name, county, and state?

Zips are on the web at http://www.mit.edu:8001/geo


Larry Carr
Data Systems Administrator, DPS,
Ft Gordon, GA 30905-5360



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:10 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for two Amateur R
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Distribution: world
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 23:56:00 -0500
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Subject: Looking for two Amateur Radio Clubs in Texas

>>Could someone please tell me what the ham radio clubs are in Denton
>>County, TX and Carrolton, TX.  Could you also provide contact names
>>and numbers and club repeaters.

Metro Amateur Radio Club's repeater is at 145.210-. Ask a control
operator for club information. (Carrolton)

Denton Co. Amateur Radio Club's repeater is at 146.920-.




Clint Bradford
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Re: Mac Terminal Program for HAm Radio Needed
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In article <4114sr$[e-mail]>, Bob Winingham <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> A real small terminal program is "Free Term"
> Z-term has a special keyboard init for the MacPlus keyboard.
> I just got a secone MacPlus for $15 as a side walk sale.
> 73
> Bob


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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:11 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Motorola RIB(Radio Interface Box)
Date: 20 Aug 1995 17:22:58 GMT
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I am looking for information for building a Radio Interface Box(RIB)
for Motorola radios. If you have information or schematics, please
e-mail me at: [e-mail]

Also, am looking for software that I can use to program hamfest
radio to the ham bands...or the radio commands and pin outs, so
I can develope my own software...


73,
bill
KA3MFN


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Hiscock)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need info on Kenwood TS-850s (converter functions)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 20:59:44 NST
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I own a Kenwood TS 850s.  Functions 26, 27 and 28 allow a 50 MHz, 144 MHZ and
430 MHz converter to be turned on or off.  Can anyone tell me if there is a
converter that I can buy (where can I get it?) for the rig?  The manual makes
no mention of this, with the exception of saying it can be turned on or off.

Thanks and 73
Bob, VO1RMA



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Kilgore)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NEW Airport Security Issues
Date: 18 Aug 1995 16:24:28 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Alcock) writes:
|> > On of the issues, in addition to needing picture ID when checking
|> > bags, etc., was increased diligence of security checkpoint personnel.  It
|> > may be the end of breezing through the xray/metal detectors with your HT
|> > without question...at least for a while.  There should still be no reason
|> > for security to prevent you from getting on board - but expect to be
|> > looked over a bit more than you may have been before.
|> >
|> > --
|> > Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA
|> >
|> >
|> I took my HT on a flight from Nashville to Denver about a month ago.  The
|> person at the securtiy gate  asked me to turn it on.  That was all.  Other than
|> that they let me go.
|>
|> John
|> ke4tqm

John,

The new security measures were not in effect a month ago. Has anyone taken
an HT through airport security since the beefed-up airport security measures
were instituted a couple of weeks ago?

73,
Jeff, KC1MK


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Emarit Ranu)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NEW Airport Security Issues
Date: 18 Aug 1995 22:04:36 GMT
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Jeff Kilgore ([e-mail]) wrote:

: The new security measures were not in effect a month ago. Has anyone taken
: an HT through airport security since the beefed-up airport security measures
: were instituted a couple of weeks ago?


        Just returned from Philidelphia yesterday.  I gave the HT to the
        security person along with my keys/watch etc.  No questions at
        all.  Not even a demostration.  When I left Denver for Philly,
        the security person asked me to turn it on.  In all the years
        I have flown with the HT in my belly pack, I have never had
        a problem.

: 73,
: Jeff, KC1MK

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NEW Airport Security Issues
Date: 21 Aug 1995 03:23:27 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>> On of the issues, in addition to needing picture ID when checking
>> bags, etc., was increased diligence of security checkpoint personnel.  It
>> may be the end of breezing through the xray/metal detectors with your HT
>> without question...at least for a while.  There should still be no reason
>> for security to prevent you from getting on board - but expect to be
>> looked over a bit more than you may have been before.

I flew last week from Seattle to Portland and back. Security was very tight at
Portland. They were snatching away unattended bags; a german shepard and police
officer were stationed at bag checkin.

I had in my carry on bag: ICOM HT, cellular phone, notebook PC, extra batteries
for each of these, flashlight, telephone modular jack connector cable for
modem, etc. They did not search my bag at either end nor ask me any questions.

They didn't ask me to demonstrate that my alpha pager was working (that's been
done before); they didn't ask if my HT was a cel phone (that's happened); they
didn't care at all!

Ed
KF7VY



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:16 1995
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Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!iglou!dp013
From: [e-mail] (Chris Sakkas)
Subject: New Web site for Amateur Radio
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We've recently added an Amateur Radio page to our web site!

Our web address is:
http://www.iglou.com/ITU

and our anonymous ftp address is:
ftp://iglou.com/members/ITU

We also have some files on PC-interfacing and general electronics-related material
available on our ftp site.

We would appreciate any comments and suggestions, especially additions or
corrections to links on our page.  Please keep in mind that we have just added
this page and will continue to make updates!

Thanks!

Chris

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Complete PIC programming packages starting at only $29!
See our web page or e-mail us today for more info!


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve & Kelley Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NOAA alert tone freq?
Date: 19 Aug 1995 13:49:32 GMT
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Richard Delaney ([e-mail]) wrote:

: What is the alert tone used by NOAA weather radio for an alert? (The same
: tone used by the alert radios that RS sells)

1050hz

: Are there any plans/devices out there that will, on hearing the tone,
: open a audio line. This way I could put it on a spare scanner, and leave
: it on at home all the time.

Maxon sells a receiver with the alert decode capabilities for $50 or so.
The user manual has a schematic so you could probably hook up something
fairly easily to do whatever you want.

Steve


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:18 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: personal autopatch ... possible? legal? ethical?
Date: 18 Aug 1995 19:25:07 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>In article <mmusick-1708951300460001@198.102.74.50> [e-mail] (Mike Musick/N0QBF) writes:

>>Curtis responded:
>>>
>>> Yes. If you are controlling that (patch) station by radio link it has to
>>> be done from an auxilary station (at or above 1.25cm).
>>>

I guess I wasn't clear of my "yes" respnse to the question of remote
control.  A 2M simplex patch is legal.  Gary is correct - third party
traffic (including phone patches) is allowed on all ham bands.  But if
control operator duties are being performed by a radio linked remote,
that control must be above 1.25cm.

[then Mike wrote]
[snip]
>>
>>According to my read of the rules, the auxiliary station is the *patch*
>>station, because the primary station is the one that has the control
>>operator present (that is, you on that HT). So in that instance, the
>>auxiliary station has to be transmitting to you on 222 or above. Some
>>people read the aux station rule to be the opposite direction (HT is the
>>aux station). Either case, of course, immediately makes a 2m personal
>>patch illegal.

To clarify the question of which station is the auxilary station: The
auxilary station is where the control point is located for remote control
operation.
So the station with the patch that is being controlled by remote is a
remote controlled station.  The station doing the controlling is the
auxilary station.

All stations are primary now (or club).  An auxilary station is operated
under a primary or club station license.

[then Gary wrote - but I don't know if he thinks he is correcting me or
Mike]
>NO! Patches are legal even at HF. So the fact that the station has a
>patch isn't the primary issue. The station with the simpatch on it
>is operating under the *Remote Control Rules*. You can operate *any*
>station under remote control on *any* band. The *control link* must
>be done under auxillary operation, and above 222 MHz, if by radio
>(the control link can also be wireline of course). Automatic control
>is *never* permitted for a station operating under remote control,
>so that doesn't even enter into the picture.
[snip]
>
>Now, you can run both ends of the voice link for the patch on 2m
>if you like, but you have to *control* the remotely controlled
>station on 222 MHz or above. That basically means that to use
>the patch as control operator, you need two radios at each end.
>But if you have the simpatch station on 222 MHz or above, then
>you can control it with the same radio you're using to conduct
>the patch. Since that's easier, its the right way to do it. But
>if you don't mind the extra radios, you can operate the simpatch
>station on 2m, or any other band, including 20m or 75m if you're
>crazy enough to do that.

What's crazy about a phone patch via HF?  Other than it just isn't done
very often.

>The rules permit you to do anything with a remotely controlled station
>that you can do with a station under local control, including running
>phone patches. There's nothing grey about this at all.

This is why I was concerned when Mike (an O.O.) said he would "write up"
any simplex patch he found on 2 meters.

Is this confusing enough for everyone?

--
Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA

--
Why isn't "phonetic" spelled the way it sounds?




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:19 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: personal autopatch ... possible? legal? ethical?
Date: 18 Aug 1995 19:40:29 GMT
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>According to my read of the rules, the auxiliary station is the *patch*
>station, because the primary station is the one that has the control
>operator present (that is, you on that HT). So in that instance, the
>auxiliary station has to be transmitting to you on 222 or above.

This is an incorrect read of the rules.  The control operator does not
have to be "present" at the station.  The control operator has to be at a
control point.

(Note: A station under automatic control does not require an operator at
the control point - but of course we can't have auto control over 3rd
party traffic)

>Some
>people read the aux station rule to be the opposite direction (HT is the
>aux station).

This is the correct read of the rules.  An auxilary station is the
control point of an associated station under radio linked, remote
control.

(Note: ANY amateur station may be remote controlled)





From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Musick/N0QBF)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: personal autopatch ... possible? legal? ethical?
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 17:40:25 -0500
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NNTP-Posting-Host: gatekeeper.talx.com

Curtis -

>
> This is the correct read of the rules.  An auxilary station is the
> control point of an associated station under radio linked, remote
> control.
>
> (Note: ANY amateur station may be remote controlled)

Good points, and I can't dispute your (or Gary's) take on the auxiliary
station thing. The definition of "auxiliary station" in the Rules is so
completely vague as to be useless. In researching for this discussion, I
was poring through the Rules and my flip-flop of which end of the "system"
comprises the auxiliary station was prompted by the Subpart A definitions.
In some ways it's a shame we have to resort to debates about context in
this way, in other ways we ought to be glad the regulations are so
accommodating.

But I will still cite a 2m simplex 'patch, AFTER I've looked really,
really hard for evidence of control occurring in the proper areas. In a
practical sense, if I hear a simplex/personal 'patch, it is very likely
that only one radio (band) is available at either end of the link. In the
conjectured scenario of two bands at both ends (voice link/control link),
the user would/could have the more preferred full-duplex system.

If I hear everything transpire on the same 2m frequency including all
evident control, and there is no clear indication that a control op is in
attendance, that's a pretty strong indication that the control operator
and aux station Rules are being ignored.

Anyway, an Advisory Notice isn't the end of the world - it's just a nudge
to make sure everything's on the up-and-up.
  ...mm

=============================================================
Mike Musick/N0QBF               [e-mail]**
TALX Directory Division         71301,[e-mail]
St. Louis, MO
                Opinions expressed are my own...
                  ...like someone else would want 'em, right?
-----
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use the CompuServe address. Our mail server died a while back
and I've been given "real soon" on when it'll be up. You know
how *that* works!
=============================================================


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (FJDJr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack selling Outdated Adv. Test book
Date: 19 Aug 1995 17:14:18 -0400
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At the risk of being bashed myself for pusing my product,  I'd like to let
all know that QSO Software's QSO Tutor has the latest question pools
including explainations and memory aids -- ELI the ICE man stuff for you
EE's --   Program is avail on both the IBM and MAC platforms.  1800 GUD DX
73   (1 800 483 3973). Email [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:22 1995
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Subject: RB392 Vol-Images & Issues 5/7
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For:  Emergency Management Agencies via Amateur Radio
Info: Communications Volunteers in Government Service
Info: Amateurs U.S. (@usa:Information), ACS, CAP, MARS, RACES
By:   Auxiliary Communications Service (ACS), the volunteer
        communications reserve of the State of California
        Governor's Office of Emergency Services

Bulletin 392    Release date 8/21/95
MGT - Volunteers-Images & Issues 5/7

Today's professional communicator can provide astonishing
benefits, shouldering many a burden for an already
over-busy official.

Characteristics of today's professional communicators:

 - They want to be - and expect to be - treated like regular staff.
 - They are represented by and managed by the Radio Officer YOU
   select for his/her people-management skills.
 - They expect to learn agency policies, practices, procedures
   and programs. They also want to learn what NOT to do.
 - They take pride in working for you and your government.
 - They don't particularly want to be introduced as a volunteer,
   because that is actually a "dirty word" in a lot of places.
 - Their thanks are earned in being a trusted agent and someone
   you can count on to get a job done. The only difference is
   you get a paycheck and they don't.
 - Their Radio Officer has a key to the office, is given certain
   responsibilities and authority; is entrusted to operate your
   government equipment, vehicles and may have a telephone
   credit card and pager supplied by the agency. In other words,
   the Radio Officer is just as well equipped to respond as any
   other key agency responder.
   - The key officers and specified participants have a
   government ID card the same as yours; not a leftover l950
   civil defense ID card. All of them have registration cards to
   protect them and you in those states that have workers
   compensation laws (or similar laws) that apply to them.
 - They earn your trust to never abuse the symbols and tools of
   your office. You trust them never to be an embarrassment to
   you, to your program or your government.

(Continued, next week)

ACS Addresses:  2800 Meadowview Rd., Sacramento, CA. 95832.
Ph: 916-262-1600. FAX [phone]. Landline BBS: 916-262-1657.
[e-mail] or Internet [e-mail] or [e-mail].
Bulletin delivery problems? Notify W6WWW@KM6PX.#NOCAL.USA.NA
EOM



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Scaraglino)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RF Concepts Amp for 2m
Date: 18 Aug 1995 16:38:39 GMT
Organization: Ericsson North America Inc.
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First, the ham equip has a low pass filter to cutoff ant signals above abt 148 mHz
also they are not type accepted so beware!. That's why comm stuff costs sooo much

---
_______________________________________________________________________
Frank Scaraglino           [e-mail]       KA2FWC




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ronald L. Barrett)
Subject: RF-Powered ID Device
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 02:55:45 GMT
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I'd like to find a manufacturer of an rf-powered ID device that has no external power requirement, but is powered by an incoming microwave burst, it then

Does this ring a bell with anyone? Would be interested in any technical referrences or mfgrs offering them for sale.

Thanks

Ron Barrett
K6MZW
/ex
:wq




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Planck)
Subject: SELL OR TRADE
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FOR SALE: GRUNDIG SAT 700, 3 MO OLD, $325 SHIPPED
BEARCAT 9000 XLT W/GRE 800 MHZ CONV, 4 MO OLD, $375 SHIPPED
KENWOOD TS440SAT EXCELL COND $750 SHIPPED
AMERITRON AL80B AMP, 3 MO OLD $800 SHIPPED
KENWOOD TM241A 2M, 50 WATTS, 1 YR OLD NEVER MOBILE, $250
SHIPPED
SANGEAN ATS818 SHORTWAVE RECEIVER, GOOD COND $90 SHIPPED
WOULD CONSIDER TRADE FOR MINT YAESU FT990 OR MINT SONY 2010,
NO SCRATCHES, MUST BE LESS THAN A YR OLD

PH 317-724-3178 DEWAYNE AA9AF OR WRITE TO :

                               DEWAYNE PLANCK
                               1407 LINCOLN AVE, LOT 4
                               ALEXANDRIA, IN 46001


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SF Electronics shops (chinatown)??
Date: 21 Aug 1995 16:37:54 GMT
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Yesterday I was in San Francisco and visited many of the electronic shops in
Chinatown and near union square.  I am talking about the ones that sell
cameras, radios, sunglasses, etc.   They also had a small supply of ham
radio HT's.   Does anybody know how these stores are able to sell HT's?
MOst of them looked brand new (but older models) but the boxes were all beat
up.  All the stores had pretty much the same merchandise so I think they are
all owned by the same people.  Does anybody have any information or
experience in dealing with those shops?  They seemed willing to drop there
prices dramatically when asked, but the prices were still very high.  If you
know about thes stores please e-mail me or post here.

Thanks

John Thompson
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Flora)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Switch for Swan-350
Date: 21 Aug 1995 15:36:03 GMT
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I have a swan-350 that has a bad rotary switch in the output stage.
The schematic lists it as S4F. I need to get the direct replacement
(no room to modify).

1) does someone have the address for swan so I can contact them directly?
   They are still in business, I saw a ad for a new unit recently.

2) does someone have the MFG & P/N of the switch.

Any help would be greatly appriciated. Right now, I.m traped on 40 meters.
Not the worst think in the world, but I really would like to explore other
bands.
                                       Thanks
                                       Steve
                                       KC7JSC
                                  Middleton, Idaho


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (KC7GMR)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Thailand band plan?
Date: 20 Aug 1995 13:27:30 -0400
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Would you know where I could find a band plan for Thailand?  Specifically,
which frequencies are available IN THE COUNTRY OF THAILAND for use by
amateurs and which are available to commercial uses and which are legal to
monitor.  Thanks and 73!
Rick Rivard, KC7GMR
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott H. Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The Word Mayday
Date: 19 Aug 1995 14:43:48 -0500
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Scott H. Reed, [e-mail] writes [etc]:
> Richard McAllister, [e-mail] writes [etc]:

Well, so forth, and so fuch abt distress calls, but the latest issue of
"Ocean Navigator" magazine has this about false distress calls in the
Ninth CG District -- that is the Great Lakes --

        "HOAX DISTRESS CALLS estimated to have cost the Coast Guard's
        [9th] district in the Great Lakes more than $150 000 for each of
        the last three years.

        "[USCG 9th Dist] received 91 hoax calls in 1994 requiring 113
        responses which ties up resources for 218 sorties by various
        boats and aircraft.  Other Coast Guard districts report similar
        wastage of money and risk to personnel caused by hoax distress
        calls."

My opinion:

1) hoax distress calls should be prosecuted under FCC and USCG regula-
   tions as severely as possible; any amateur or commercial radio
   operator license-holder issuing a false distress should be stripped
   of license and never be allowed to hold again; non-holders should
   never be allowed any license, amateur or commercial.

2) vessel owners MUST carry the proper equipment; GMDSS should be made
   mandatory not only for commercial, but also private vessels.

There is no good reason to put USCG, USN and USAF personnel (not to
mention the civilian auxiliaries) at risk searching for you over 500 000
square nautical miles if you can't carry a $400 EPIRB on your $500 000
yacht.  Nor should the rest us have to foot the bill by our taxes.

This actually happened in Nov 1993.  Two brothers went to sea in separate
boats and got lost in a storm.  They found one right away.  Well, okay.
Although why you would attempt this in the North Atlantic in November
escapes.  The other was found weeks later north off Bermuda after CG had
given up search.  He was several hundreds of miles away from where they
were looking.  He still didn't know anybody was looking for him, 'cause
he didn't have any radio.

Luckily, I can't remember the names of these guys, altho' I think it was
Russian.

Neither one carried a $400 EPIRB, altho' each had spent abt $100 000 to
put his boat to sea in the November North Atlantic.  This was all
reported in the New York Times.

If somebody can corroborate the story, appreciated.

--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scott Reed KF9QK                  [e-mail]                  Chicago


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:27 1995
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: This Week in Amateur Radio #125 (for air through 8/25/95)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 95 23:43:48 -0500
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Here is a summary of news items covered on edition #125 of
"This Week in Amateur Radio", North America's satellite-delivered
audio bulletin service, for the week ending 25-Aug:
-
1.   FCC Seeks Privatization of RFI Complaint Resolution Process
2.   Senator Lauds OKC Amateurs in Congressional Record
3.   Amateurs Ready as ARRL Tracks Progress of Hurricane Felix
4.   RSGB Announces Dues Increase, Break for Seniors and "Juniors"
5.   LA Amateur, Former City Councilman and Judge a Silent Key
6.   Time Change Announced for "This Week in Amateur Radio"
7.   "The RAIN Dial-up" from Chicago
8.   Weekly Propagation Forecast with George Bowen, N2LQS
9.   "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
10.  Upcoming Special Event Stations
11.  "Amateur Radio Newsline" - Edition #939 from Los Angeles
12.  Financial Support for "This Week in Amateur Radio" Dwindles
-
Satellite time and uplink equipment have been provided by SKYVISION
as a service to the amateur radio community.  Funding to access
"Newsline" was provided by a grant from the Stoddard family and
users of the KF9MP repeater system in North Webster, Indiana.
-
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is a weekly amateur radio news and
information service, in audio newsmagazine format, which is produced
by Community Video Associates, Inc., a New York State not-for-profit
corporation based in Albany, New York.  The program is carried on
the "Tech Talk Network" each Saturday at 7:30 PM (EDT) on the
Telstar 302 commercial communications satellite, transponder 21
(11V), 5.8 MHz wideband audio (4.120 GHz), located at 85 degrees
west longitude in geosynchronous orbit, and can be heard on various
VHF/UHF repeaters throughout the United States and Canada, as well
as on 160 meters at 1860 kHz.  Contact your local amateur radio club
or repeater operator if "This Week in Amateur Radio" is not being
heard in your area.
-
Production and transmission expenses are underwritten by
contributions from repeater system operators, amateur radio clubs,
and individuals.  For further information, contact George Bowen,
N2LQS, at 518/283-3665, or Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB, at
518/664-6809.  You may also reach them via amateur packet @
WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA or on the Internet to [e-mail]
or [e-mail].



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Trunking, Paging, FSK, decoding...
Date: 18 Aug 1995 18:38:08 GMT
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does anyone have the schematics and other information
to decode, pagers, trunking, and any other interesting
FSK stuff in the 30+ Mhz range? please e-mail me

73

bill


--
William Smith   | Communications Engineering Services, Inc. [e-mail]
KA3MFN          | 6105-E Arlington Blvd, Falls Church, VA  22044
                | [phone]  FAX:[phone]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Staff Member)
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Subject: Uniden UC-1516A Info Needed.
Date: 19 Aug 1995 19:00:55 GMT
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 If anyone out there has the pinouts, and any other technical
information on this chip, please let us know via E-Mail.
Our address is "[e-mail]".

 Thanks in advance,

 V. Irmarosa



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shanta McBain)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Wanted APRSxxxx.zip
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 18:05:37 GMT
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I would like the latest version of the APRSXX program. Email to my
adress with MINE will work well or a FTP site.

Thanks
Shanta McBain
VE7 TIT A little bird told me so.
Vernon BC



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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Wanted: Old Test Equip. Catalogs
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 08:43:09 PDT
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I would like to purchase old test catalogs for my library.  I am interested in
catalogs and data sheets from the 50's through the mid 70's.  If you have any
H.P., Tektronix, General Radio, Wavetek, Boonton Radio, or similar catalogs
please contact George Carlson at Email [e-mail] or telephone
office-[phone], home-[phone]



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BUDDY10)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: What is the ARRL's position on getting rid of CW ?
Date: 19 Aug 1995 00:23:17 -0400
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What is the ARRL's position on getting rid of the CW requirement for the
different license classes that require it ?  There has been lots of talk
on the net about this recently.  What is the OFFICIAL response from the
ARRL ?


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:31 1995
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From: Chris Oesterling <[e-mail]>
Subject: Where find 19" shelfs?
Sender: [e-mail]
Organization: Mystery Spot BBS, Royal Oak, MI   [phone]
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 12:47:49 GMT
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I need a few 19" shelfs for my repeater cabinet. I went to a large
HAM fest this last weekend but there were none there. Any retail outlet
sell them? Thanks for the time. Chris N8UDK

--
Chris Oesterling ([e-mail])
Mystery Spot BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------?--



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lewis Stephens KC5PSX)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Where should novice wannabe start?...
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 21:48:04 -0500
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In article <412gc0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> Well.. No responce to my last msg, so...<grin>
> Where should I start? Totally lost in regards to getting a ham-license.
> Where can I buy software for flash-card type studying of the questions
that'll be asked?
> What about morse-code? Read an article not long ago about going for the
20wpm (or 20cpm?) speed vs
> the 5wpm Novice requirement. It made sense to me. Any opinions?

First thing to do is go to your closest Radio Shack and get a copy of "Now
Your Talking II". This is a great book to start off with and if you read
and understand the text and question pool as given to you, you will pass
the No-Code part of process in short order.

Good Luck,

Lewis Stephens KC5PSX

~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
Lewis Stephens KC5PSX [e-mail] Pasadena,Texas
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Browne)
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Subject: WNTD: Cleveland Test Sites
Date: 18 Aug 1995 22:26:26 GMT
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I am in desperate need of a list of test sites in Cleveland, and surrounding
cities, in Ohio.  Any info you may have will be GREATLY appreciated!  I
am trying to get my Technician Class licence.  Also, when is the next
cleveland hamfest?  Thanks alot!

Send all responses by email to    [e-mail]


Mark Browne




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Patrick N. Riggins)
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Subject: Re: Yaesu FT757GX vs GXII
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>Matt Fahey, EI5CB, a friend of mine who is an operator at North East
>Atlantic Search and Rescue (Valentia Radio) has a 757GX and he says that
>every now and then the radio just changes frequencies on its own.

>Was this a problem with the GX and got fixed in the GXII?
>Could it be a battery problem?
>Any other ideas?
>Thanks in advance
>Peter, KC1QF/EI4GV
>[e-mail]

I have had my FT-757GX for about three years now (I bought it used) and I
have never had any trouble out of mine. The serial number on mine is
5H200104. Hope that helps..

-- Patrick Riggins KA4ZNU
   Knoxville, TN


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:16:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Keizer, Information Systems, Winnipeg)
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Subject: RE: Zip codes
Date: 20 Aug 95 18:00:55 GMT
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> From: [e-mail] (James Muller)
> Subject: List of US ZIP Codes
>
> Does anyone know where I can find a ASCII or .DBF file containing
> all US zipcodes, city name, county, and state?

Jim ... there has been some recent discussion of this subject on the progress
database mailing list.  Someone has mentioned that they are stored and
available on compuserve and one other similar type of system.  Don't know if
they are on the net though.

73, de Dan ve4drk
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Keizer                                  Federated Insurance Co. of Canada
[e-mail]                       Winnipeg, Manitoba [phone]
"Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement".


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:36 1995
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From: william@cortex (William Biggs)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONE
Date: 25 Aug 1995 00:45:49 GMT
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Curtis Wheeler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >But by persistence, you will find out that is IS entirely legal, ethical,
: >appropriate, and being done by informed consumers of cellular service
: >nationwide.

: >FIRST HAND user of two phones on the same number, with FIRST HAND
: >blessing of Southwestern Bell Mobile Systems.
: >
: >Now, lets get back to amateur radio......
: >

: It would be legal and ethical when you "have the blessing" of your
: carrier.

: One could infer from MacGuyver's spam, that he was offering a service
: that does not involve the carriers.  And the carriers have grounds, as
: the system licnesee, to prohibit a user from cloning a phone.

: Note the following:  Your cellular carrier is the "control operator" of
: your cellular telephone (using terminology comparable to amateur radio -
: which is the only service even partillay understood by some in this
: group).  You can place calls on it but you do so under the authority of
: the carrier's licence - they maintain effective control of the mobile
: radio.

: Yes, there would be a service charge for this - I can hear the griping
: already, "Why should I have to pay for a second phone on the same
: number?"  If you're trying to compare your cellular service to your home
: telco service, where you can add extensions - don't waste your time.
: Cellular operates under a different set of rules and technology that
: makes such a comparison one of apples and oranges.

: --
: Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA

Give us a break Curtis, we're not morons.  What's your beef with some of
us getting a second phone on the same number without the highway robbery
rates that cellular phone companies charge.

Consider first, that you are the OWNER of the phone. Secondly, the
cloning was done with the explicit permission of you, the OWNER of the
phone.

Thirdly, the cellular company CANNOT tell the difference between the
cloned phone and the original.

So WHERE'S THE BEEF ?????

Perhaps if you are in the unfortunate position of living in an area where
the company doesn't want you to clone, I would recommend you change
cellular companies, or IGNORE THEM !

Who's paying the bill ?!   YOU ARE ! Rememer, YOU ARE THE PAYING
CUSTOMER. They'll give their left ball for new customers, and sometimes I
think they only have one ball!  Remember, these are the folks who
(outside of CA) give retailers $300 a pop to sign up a new user by
subsidizing the purchase of a new phone.

What can they do to you Curt?  Spank you?  Beg for mercy ? Call the IRS ?

The WORST they could do (and would be fools to do) would turn off your
service. So, use the other carrier.

Furthermore, your friend , as in all other posts here, is an employee of
the company. Just what did you expect Curt ? Duh, sure, go out and clone
a phone so we can't bill you another $49.95 every month ?

Have some hormonal fortitude, and go ahead and clone your cellulars,  men.
Don't be submissive to BS third hand anecdotes. I've done it !!!
It's not illegal to clone your own phone. The phone company cannot tell
the difference as long as only one is on at a time. They will not whip or
spank you.

I feel like MCI billboard....let's keep a running tally of how much I
have saved compared to what Curt suggests... Hmm 21 months x $30 = $630.

Heh! I can get that az-el rotor for the sats now!


--
William C. Biggs , MD
KC5JIF                            Howdy from the High Plains of Texas
1900 South Coulter Drive
Amarillo, TX 79106


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Hampshire )
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Subject: Re: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONE
Date: 25 Aug 1995 22:03:36 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rick Edwards)
writes:
>
>
>WB>So WHERE'S THE BEEF ?????
>
>They (the phone company) is not collecting the full customer rate for
>phone service.
>
What a crock!

The phone companies are ripping us off.  Back when they had to string
wires they at least had some justification for outrageous behavoir.

The rates are soooo over charged that they can afford to give away
hundreds of bucks in phones just to sign you up for a year.

I have a ohone for my wife to keep in the car in the event of
emergencies.  Fortunatly she has NEVER used it. Every year I cancell
and sign up with some other carrier.  I have a box of phones.  The
whole thing sounds like the 1960's when the phone police would break
down your door because you had an illegal extension.

FRANK  KA1HH


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rick Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONE
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:35:00 GMT
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WB>Thirdly, the cellular company CANNOT tell the difference between the
  >cloned phone and the original.

That's where you are wrong.  The cellular companies CAN tell the
difference between the cloned phone and the original.  Specifically,
AirTouch of California is heavily involved with "PhonePrint" technology,
recognizing the "signature" of each and every transmitter.

WB>So WHERE'S THE BEEF ?????

They (the phone company) is not collecting the full customer rate for
phone service.

WB>Perhaps if you are in the unfortunate position of living in an area where
  >the company doesn't want you to clone, I would recommend you change
  >cellular companies, or IGNORE THEM !

It is a federal offense!

WB>What can they do to you Curt?  Spank you?  Beg for mercy ? Call the IRS ?

Actually, they can put you in jail. They CAN call the FBI.

WB>The WORST they could do (and would be fools to do) would turn off your
  >service. So, use the other carrier.

Not true!

WB>It's not illegal to clone your own phone.

That is true! However, it IS illegal to use it without permission.

WB>The phone company cannot tell the difference as long as only one is
  >on at a time.

Again, NOT TRUE! At least with some of the wireline companies.

WB>They will not whip or spank you.

They haven't made an example out of anyone....YET!

---
 * QMPro 1.50 41-9162 * OS/2 VirusScan - "Windows found: Remove it? (Y/y)"


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Brown)
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Subject: Re: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONE
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[e-mail] (Rick Edwards) wrote:

        [re: cellphone cloning against the wishes of the carrier]

>It is a federal offense!

>WB>What can they do to you Curt?  Spank you?  Beg for mercy ? Call the IRS ?

>Actually, they can put you in jail. They CAN call the FBI.

        Since you're so certain that it's a criminal violation of federal law,
can you cite the law?  Or, if it's not a statute, where's the Supreme
Court decision holding this?

        If you're violating your agreement with the carrier, it's a breach of
contract, and entirely a civil matter--that is, they can sue you for
whatever damages they think you've caused.  Even if federal law
provides for the cause of action in this case, there's no criminal
offense in breaking a contract--you're just liable for any damages.
--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS
Don't tread on me.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (S. D. )
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Subject: re: "RE: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONE" RICK EDWARDS
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    I haven't been caught yet buddy. They cannot identify the location
of the cell phone as long as you keep moving around and stuff. So, I am
waiting until they come down with the FCC (Federal Candy Corporation)
and the FBI (Federal Bureau of Incompetents) with their whips and belts
screaming and shouting to tell me to get off of my own service. (THAT I
AM PAYING FOR) Just because I have another phone, it doesn't mean I
cannot use it on same service as a clone.
    ANYWAYS, Come-on FBI CIA FCC DEA ATF MI-5 IRS FAA BBB JAG KGB (oh
Woops they're dead) CID POW's USAF USCG USN NYPD LAPD NYFD YPD PMS
(woops wrong newsgroup)EMS NASA UFO UPS USPS DMV FTC NYCHA DIA USDS
NYDPO MTA LIRR NJT YMCA DOT CHIP NYCTA NYSDE DOC (woops this is not
canada. Well it is international newsgroup but anyways.) DWR DWI DUI
DSS (nope this has nothing to do with satelites) SAREX AMSAT FEMA SWATT
MARS CAP MAARC YARC. ANYWAYS, you get the point. Yeah, all you guys
come here and bring ur belts. SPANK MEE!!



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:40 1995
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subscrib info-hams ehchee



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jason L.)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>subscrib info-hams ehchee


That's what HE thinks.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio)
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Subject: **HAM DISCOUNT CATALOG ON THE WWW**
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 02:05:56 +0100
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Many new products and a search engine has been add to this WWW Ham
discount catalog, Books, Antennas,Rig Assesories, videos, TNC, SSTV
converter and much more available way below retail. Check it out at URL

                        http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html

                                 73's Ray

--
Ray Sarrio Co.
http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:46 1995
From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)
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It's a dead issue. Out of some 500+ comments received by the FCC
only a handful (just enough to fill two pages of Freds' column in
CQ) were in favor of any aspect of the petition.




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:47 1995
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From: Hans Brakob <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: **SHOULD HAM DIRECTED HF BROADCASTING BE STOPPED?**
Date: 27 Aug 1995 04:05:37 GMT
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I think you should clarify the question.

Broadcasting is illegal in the Amateur Service.
If someone engages in broadcasting in violation
of the current rules, then the FCC should take
appropriate action.

Perhaps you meant to ask "Should one-way transmissions
such as Morse practice, information bulletins, beacons,
NASA manned spacecraft retransmissions, be stopped?"

If that is the question you meant to ask, then I
believe the answer is "No".

--
73, de Hans, K0HB
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REALITY.SYS corrupted: Reboot universe? (Y/N/Q)
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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Karamanos )
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Subject: Re: 2 meter repeaters in Arizona
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In <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Bob Garnier) writes:
>
>I will be visiting Arizona in October. Can someone please let me know
>what frequencies are in use for public repeaters in Flagstaff and
>Tucson area.
>Thanks
>73 VK4EA
>                    /////
>                   ( o o )
>+---------------oOO--(_)--OOo---------------+
>|                Bob Garnier                |
>| Queensland Australia - the sunshine state |
>|     [e-mail]   |
>+-------------------------------------------+
>
>
Here is a list of the freqs for Arizona

Flagstaff   146.980- (100.0 PL)
Flagstaff   147.080+ (100.0 PL)
Grand Cyn   147.320+

Tucson      146.880-
            147.160+ ZIA Conection (linked)
            448.550-

Have fun and 73's

Kevin, WD6DIH


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Butler)
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Subject: 2m mobile rigs
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I am about to purchase a 2m mobile rig for my 1994 Ford Explorer.  I've
read the QST reviews but am looking for some "real world" experiences
from my fellow amateurs...
1.  Any recommendations/warnings on rigs with reasons are welcomed
2.  Any recommendations on antennas are also welcomed (I'm not looking to
drill or otherwise mark my truck.
3.  Any info particular to installantion in the aforementioned vehicle is
also welcomed.
Thanks for any info provided.  KB2SHP (working SLOWLY but surely to 13WPM).




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 2m Transverter Question
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <41i0r9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] () writes:
>One disadvantage of the synthezized VHF all mode radios should be mentioned
>though: They have a horrendous LO noise floor. So if a strong station
>transmits nearby you can hear him 100 KHz up and down, no matter how clean
>his signal is. (During serious VHF work, like in contests or openings
>there are allways lots of strong stations)
>
>Than, if you use an amplifier, you can clear easily half the band from
>interferring stations with your sprogs (contest winner's trick)
>
>Thats where the HF rigs and older VXO- VHF rigs are much cleaner.

Since nearly all HF rigs today are synthesized too, the point is rather
moot. They *all* have synthesizer noise. The older VHF multimodes, and
the older HF rigs, had much noisier synthesizers than some of the newer
rigs, however. Analog VFO rigs are *generally* quieter, though some of
them can be pretty bad too.

Gary

--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 2m Transverter Question
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <41gh3f$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Peter A. Klein) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> Some (a very few) commercial transverters are good, and some (most) VHF
>> multimodes are pretty bad, but neither is universally true. A stock IC-275H
>> will beat 90% of the transverter/HF rig combos. A modified 275 is very likely
>> able to match, or nearly match, the rest.
>
>Gary, I am in process of getting a newer used HF rig, so my IC-745 will
>become available for use as an IF for a transverter.  Am I correct that
>its shortcomings would be less apparent in that role?  Would I be better
>off getting a 2m transverter, or sell the 745 and get a 275H?  What do you
>mean, "modified" 275?

Aside from cost, the main advantage of a good transverter is that it
allows you to take advantage of the strong signal handling ability of
your HF rig, and take advantage of its filters. Unfortunately, the
IC-745's greatest weakness is its inability to handle strong signals
well. If you aren't often contending with strong signals, you can get
by using it with a transverter, but realize that you'll have a low
performance setup.

There are a number of modifications that have been developed for the
Icom multimodes to overcome limitations in the design. Most are rather
esoteric, or apply only to the IC211, IC251, or IC271. Most of the
deficiencies of those older rigs have been cured at the factory in
the IC275. For example, Mutek offered a replacement front end board
for the older radios that changed their noise figure from a pretty
dismal 8 db to around 1.5 db. It also offered better strong signal
handling, so it even helped if you were running a mast mount preamp.

>I'm sure I'll try some Mode A satellites, How far I'll go with satellites
>depends on how expensive and difficult it will be once Phase 3D gets off
>the ground (let's hope zat ze French rockette, she does not blow up again,
>non?).  A full Oscar 13 style az/el setup is out of my reach right now.

You can do that cheaper than you might think. You have to do some
building, but antennas aren't rocket science. Also, satellite ground
station antennas don't have to be high to be effective. I operated
here for over a year with just a tripod mast sitting on the ground
and moving the antennas by hand. Worked fine on Oscar 10. I know
a fellow who drags his antennas out of the garage and sets them up
in the driveway when he wants to operate. Don't think you need dual
axis rotators and expensive commercial antennas on a tall tower to
work satellite. All that's *nice* though, and I'm glad I've got that
now. :-)

>I don't know how deep I want to get into VHF until I've tried it a bit.
>So I'm reluctant to blow for a 275H or a 736R just yet.  But if I'm going
>to be limited by second class performance with a transverter, maybe I
>ought to just take the plunge.

Buy used. That way if you decide you don't like it, you won't take
a big hit when you resell the equipment. The first purchaser always
takes it in the wallet, let him. The Icom Twins or the Yaesu are
good choices for satellite, and they've been around long enough for
a used market to develop. Stay away from the Kenwood 790A, or I'll
get to say "I told you so". It sucks. The Icom 970 is too expensive,
and has some nagging problems of its own, I'd avoid it. The new
Icom 820 has some operating quirks, and I'd pass on it too unless a
minimum space single box is an absolute priority.

>Anyway, I've ordered some info from Down East Microwave and Hamtronics.
>Have you any experience with these models?

The Hamtronics transverters are junk, don't waste your money. (They do offer
a decent helically filtered preamp. I use one on my repeater. But it's
primarily designed to handle sites with strong out of band signals, and
not for satellite use.) The new DEM transverters seem pretty good. They're
optimized for strong signal handling rather than weak signal performance,
but that's Ok, a good mast mount GASFET preamp can take care of that.
ARR or Henry or SSB Electronics all market good mast mount preamps for
satellite.

>> I've got a stack of SSB Electronics transverters (which perform great)
>
>Cost?  Address/phone?  Likes/dislikes?

Expensive (in the neighborhood of $700 depending on the current dollar/mark
exchange rate). I'm not sure who the US distributor is now, used to be The
VHF Shop (in Mountaintop PA), but I think they go under the SSB Electronics
name now. Check in QST for ads.

They are 20 watts while most transverters are only 10. That means you can
throttle them back to 10 to drive an amp and they run cool. The high side
ins and outs are separate so you can do TR on the tower at the preamp. That's
good. The low side ins and outs are combined, which some people like, but I
think is bad. They're easy to split out, however, for use with a HF rig with
a separate receive antenna input, which is the way I prefer.

They have a good GASFET front end which is strong and quiet. Works good
with their mast mount preamp even in strong signal areas. The cabinets
are attractive, and feature a relative RF output meter. They run off of
12 volts DC, so you need a separate power supply. When you open one up,
you'll be impressed by the quality of workmanship exhibited. The manuals
are in German, but a schematic is a schematic. You can figure them out
even if you don't read German.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:52 1995
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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 2m Transverter Question
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 95 02:57:02 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Gary Coffman" writes:

> Expensive (in the neighborhood of $700 depending on the current dollar/mark
> exchange rate). I'm not sure who the US distributor is now, used to be The
> VHF Shop (in Mountaintop PA), but I think they go under the SSB Electronics
> name now. Check in QST for ads.

Gerry Rodski, K3MKZ
SSB Electronics USA
13 Cherrywood Drive
Mountaintop PA 18707
717-868-5643 Voice
717-868-6917 Fax

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (rwf)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: APRSxxx.???
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 02:15:15 GMT
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Shanta-  Try ftp.tapr.org
directory is  /tapr/SIG/aprssig/upload    (the case for SIG is
important)

APRS web page at http://www.mindspring.com/~rwf









[e-mail] (Shanta McBain) wrote:

>Hi

>I am looking for the latest version of the APRS program. Any one know
>were it is stored.


>Thanks
>Shanta McBain
>VE7 TIT A little bird told me so.
>Vernon BC





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From: [e-mail]
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SB DX @ ARL $ARLD045
ARLD045 DX news

ZCZC AE21
QST de W1AW
DX Bulletin 45  ARLD045
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  August 24, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB DX ARL ARLD045
ARLD045 DX news

This week's bulletin was made possible with information provided by
David, G3OUF, Tedd, KB8NW, the OPDX Bulletin, and Contest Corral
from QST.  Thanks to all.

QATAR, A7.  Thomas, DL9FCQ, will be in A7-land December 29 to
January 14.  He will sign A71AN/DL9FCQ, mostly on CW on 80 through
10 meters.  QSL to DL9FCQ either direct or via the bureau.

TROMELIN, FR/T.  Michel, FR5HG/T, was active on 14005 kHz at 0940z.
Europeans have worked him on 18078 kHz at 0020z and 21002 kHz at
1700z.  He should be on the air for three or four weeks.  QSL via
F6FNU.

GUERNSEY, GU.  DL2MGP, DF6MS, DL5MHX and DL1MIA will be active
through August 30 from IOTA EU-144. Two stations will be active
mainly on CW, one at 100 watts output and another at QRP.  QSL via
the bureau to home calls or direct via DJ3QG.

LEBANON, OD.  Rami, OD5SB, reports a DXpedition to the highest peak
in Lebanon to be on the air August 27.  Listen for OD5LEB on CW, SSB
and packet.

SEYCHELLES, S7.  Hannes, DL3NEO, should be active as S79NEO until
September 8.  Activity will be on 160 and 40 through 10 meter CW and
SSB.

CHAD, TT8.  TT8NU likes 20 meter CW between 1615 and 2000z.  Also
check 17 and 30 meters. QSL via F6FNU.

ANTIGUA, V2.  Bill, KQ4GC, will sign KQ4GC/V2 September 6 to 14 on
80, 20 and 15 meter SSB.  QSL via his CBA with SASE.

LORD HOWE ISLAND, VK9.  W6OTC, N4TQO, KE6FV and W6/G0AZT will arrive
on the island September 19 and depart September 26.  Plans call for
three stations, RTTY, CW and SSB.  Listen for VK9LZ on RTTY, VK9LX
on CW and VK9NM on SSB.  They will also be in the CQ WW RTTY
contest.  QSL all calls to Eddie Schneider, PO Box 5194, Richmond CA
94805.

EASTER ISLAND AND SALAS Y GOMEZ, XR.  Bob, KK6EK, reports the
DXpedition team will be active September 5 to 18 from Easter Island
as XR0Y and September 7 to 11 from SyG as XR0Z.  30 meter activity
will be limited to 10100 to 10115 kHz.  The team will develop a
database for the study of propagation, so they ask for real signal
reports and not the gratuitous 599.

UK SPECIAL CALL SIGN.  Attention prefix hunters.  From August 25 to
September 21 the call M1OOG will be on the air in celebration of 100
years of radio and honoring Marconi.  This is only the second time
the M prefix has been used, the first being in 1991 with M0RSE.
M1OOG will be on CW and SSB.  QSL via the RSGB QSL Bureau.

THIS WEEKEND ON THE RADIO.  The Summer QRP Party and West Virginia
QSO Party are both going on over the weekend.  See page 119 in
August QST for details.
NNNN
/EX



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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: ARLP036 Propagation de KT7H
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SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP036
ARLP036 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP05
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 36  ARLP036
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  August 25, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP036
ARLP036 Propagation de KT7H

Average solar flux was unchanged from last week.  The geomagnetic
field was quite stable, with A indices in the single digits and the
K index often at zero.  Solar flux is expected to rise gradually and
only slightly into the mid 70s over to the next couple of weeks, and
then drop off to around 70 or below.  There may be an upset due to
coronal holes around September 5 and 6 and again on the 9th through
the 11th.

The exciting news recently was that the first sunspot of the next
solar cycle was detected.  Although we are probably a year away from
the minimum of solar activity between the two cycles, the first
sunspot of cycle 23 has just been observed.  The spot is identified
as being part of the next solar cycle by looking at the magnetic
polarity of the sunspot.

Sunspot Numbers for August 17 through 23 were 36, 0, 12, 13, 0, 11
and 11, with a mean of 11.9.  10.7 cm flux was 69.8, 71.9, 71.6,
71.3, 71, 70.3 and 74.3, with a mean of 71.5.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Herndon R. Elliott)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Autopatch Legality Query??
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:14:52 GMT
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[e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh) wrote:


>Besides getting into the issue about "Wether a club has the right to tell us
>how to talk and use equipment" (which this club has done in the past)...I have
>a specific question.

If they own the equipment, then they have the right to tell you how to
use it within the constraints of the law.

> As a matter of fact, they also claim that a HAM that even calls
>another at home, to call into work for him, is in violation of FCC law as well.

This is ludicrous.  How is this any different than calling to tell
your wife that you're going to be late?

There is no money being made, there is no commercial advantage being
taken by the user, and he is not benefiting nor is his employer.  The
user is just avoiding a hassle by using his licensed equipment.

>My question is this: How can a call to a business over the patch that results
>in monetary gain for both parties (pizza call), be considered legal...and a
>call to your work to say that that you will be late (where no one is being
>financially compensated) be called "not legal"?

Bingo.  I agree.  Precedent would agree as well.




Herndon Elliott
Amateur Radio:  KE4KUZ (147.505Mhz or 444.575Mhz)
Internet: [e-mail] (home)
Internet: [e-mail] (work)
==================================================
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human overcrowding.  If we don't do something
about it, something will be done for us, and it
won't be pretty.
      Source unknown
==================================================



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Autopatch Legality Query??
Date: 27 Aug 95 12:17:51 -0800
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In article <41putt$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Herndon R. Elliott) writes:
> [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh) wrote:
>
>> As a matter of fact, they also claim that a HAM that even calls
>>another at home, to call into work for him, is in violation of FCC law as well.
>
> This is ludicrous.  How is this any different than calling to tell
> your wife that you're going to be late?

I don't think I would go so far as to call this ludicrous.  Your wife
doesn't issue you a paycheck.  It is certainly a gray area.  If it is
a gray area, why chance it?  Use another service where such communications
couldn't possibly be construed as illegal.

> There is no money being made, there is no commercial advantage being
> taken by the user, and he is not benefiting nor is his employer.  The
> user is just avoiding a hassle by using his licensed equipment.

Every situation is different.  The employee making the call could be
saving his butt by not being docked a hefty amount if his boss knows
he will only be a little late.  In such case he would be standing to
gain financially.

>>My question is this: How can a call to a business over the patch that results
>>in monetary gain for both parties (pizza call), be considered legal...and a
>>call to your work to say that that you will be late (where no one is being
>>financially compensated) be called "not legal"?
>
> Bingo.  I agree.  Precedent would agree as well.

How is ordering a pizza any different than someone making a patch to their
wife who then asks them to pick up a few things at the grocery store?  The
only person standing anything to gain (other than convenience) is the
commercial retailer.  Since the radio operator doesn't gain financially,
no problem.

Of course, I hope there isn't a rash of pizza ordering taking place on our
local repeater.  It might make me hungry. ;-)

73,
Ken

__________________________________________________________________________
Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~












From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Morawski)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ayn Rand Net
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Date: 27 Aug 1995 13:08:17 GMT
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According to the ARRL net directory, it meets on 14272.5 KHz at 0030 UTC
on the second Monday and last Wednesday of each month.

Paul Morawski, AA3DD
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:35:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DGoodman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ayn Rand Net?
Date: 25 Aug 1995 10:20:48 -0400
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>Who is John Gault?

And would he have a zero- or seven-land call?

Years ago, the net used to publish its sked in the ad, but not recently.
Don't know what it is.

Danny Goodman AE9F/6


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Subject: Re: Ayn Rand Net?
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Whoaa!  Six replies before I could even get around to reading them.
I'll check the latest Net Directory I have.  By the way it's "Galt".
 Howard Roark was my personal favorite anyway.
Thanks-
Ken WB0QNA


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Chapman)
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Subject: Re: Ayn Rand Net?
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Kenneth M. Gianino ([e-mail]) wrote:
: years) in the classified section of QST has run an ad for an "Ayn
: Rand Net" to discuss ideas presented in her novels "The
: Fountainhead" and "Atlas Shrugged".  Has anyone ever run upon this
: net or written to set up a sked?
: Ken- WB0QNA    [e-mail]  (day)314-235-9081
: (eve)314-894-1822
o

   About two years ago, the net time was in "NET DIRECTORY"  on 20Mtrs.

I don't remember the time.

  Check out a recent ARRL Net Dir.

John, N0KIC



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (prvalko)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ayn Rand Net?
Date: 26 Aug 1995 13:13:56 GMT
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Kenneth M. Gianino ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I'm reposting because I think the original was lost.  For years (and
: years) in the classified section of QST has run an ad for an "Ayn
: Rand Net" to discuss ideas presented in her novels "The
: Fountainhead" and "Atlas Shrugged".  Has anyone ever run upon this
: net or written to set up a sked?

No.

Your implied question is, "What is the frequency (you can add
"Kenneth" if you are a Dan Rather fan)?"

You must BE an Objectivist though because you did not come out and ask
for it.  An Objectivist would only answer said question if it were in
their rational self interest.

Unless you are asking rhetorically... the objectivist response could
very well be, "Why?"

Notice that none of us have a clue as to the net freq!  Objectivists
one and all.

73! =paul= wb8zjl
: Ken- WB0QNA    [e-mail]  (day)314-235-9081
: (eve)314-894-1822


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Richard Rosenfeld)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ayn Rand Net?  In QST every month...
Date: 25 Aug 1995 17:45:22 GMT
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It's there EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY MONTH...

"AYN RAND NET.  Discuss ideas presented in her novels 'The Fountainhead'
and 'Atlas Shrugged.'  For sked send address to K1UKQ, 222 Wm. Henry Road,
Scituate, RI 02857."

No, I've never actually heard the net, nor does it really matter to me...
But I find it curious that it's there EVERY month...I've gotten QST for
almost 10 years...

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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:02 1995
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X-To: Sierra Madre, Inc.)" <[e-mail] <"Sgt. Pedro>

Si senor! Muy Bueno


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
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Subject: Re: Badges? We don' need no steenkin' badges!
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>
>
>>Si senor! Muy Bueno
>>
>
>All right ... what movie was that from?  "Treasure of the Sierra Madres"?
>
>
>                                       73, Zack W9SZ
>

OK... it was "Blazing Saddles" ... I shoulda known that! Duh...
Thanks guys!
                                73, Zack


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Nancy Rabel Hall (KC4IYD))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: bicycle rig
Date: 25 Aug 1995 12:27 EST
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In article <413tth$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes...
>>  Does anyone have an idea for a good bicycle rig set-up? I'm considering
>>  bringing my HT while riding for emergency purposes.
>
>Me too. My pocket cell-phone's useless on most of my 'remote' bike rides..
>The CB walkie-talkie (sp?) is even uselesser. Not unless you can actually
>talk redneck-retard.
>

There is a group called Bicyle Mobile Hams Across America (I believe
that's the correct name). They may have additional information about
setting up a rig on your bike. Unfortunately, I do not have their number
or address. If anyone has it and can post it, it would be appreciated.

kc4iyd
Nancy

  Nancy Rabel Hall                      [e-mail]
  Space Experiments Division            --... ...--   -.. . KC4IYD
  NASA Lewis Research Center            stamp collector, SF addict
  Cleveland, OH 44135                   non-sports card collector


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Harvey)
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Subject: Re: bicycle rig
Date: 26 Aug 1995 12:04:09 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) says:
>In article  [e-mail] writes:
>>[e-mail] writes:
>>>Also.. Are most ham type portables so quick on the battery-drainage? My walkie-talkie can barely last
>>>4hrs with NO transmitting.
>>
>>Consider using a 12 volt generator run by one of your tires. I think they
>>might be AC so you'll need to rectify the voltage.
>
>Bike generators are typically DC (generators typically are, alternators
>produce AC), and as is typical of simple DC generators, regulation is
>awful. A nice fat gell cell can act as your filter and regulator though,
>just don't forget a reverse polarity diode to keep the battery from
>turning the generator into a motor when you aren't pedaling fast enough.
>(Unless you *want* motor assist on the hills, of course.)

My experience with bike generators is that they are horribly inefficient
create a LOT of drag, and chew up the tire sidewall.  Once upon a time,
30 years ago, I saw a generator that rode on the inside of the rim with a
relatively large 3 inch rubber wheel.  I think it was a modified Whizzer
part.

>
>But a new HT might be a better solution. One that only lasts 4 hours
>on receive isn't good at all by today's standards. My little Standard
>C508A runs for over a month on one set of 2 AA alkaline batteries.
>Even my old FT470 runs for a couple of days on receive (with power
>saver function engaged). Talking a lot exhausts the batteries faster,
>of course.
>
My  solution is an external battery.  I use a Makita 9.6 volt power tool
battery carried with the HT in one of those Ski Patrol chest slings.  The
battery gives great live and more power than the stock ICOM pack, but it's
a bit uncomfortable.  There's lots of places you could tuck a Makita
battery  on a bike, and if you own a Makita drill, you probably already have
a rapid charger.
>

--
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    [e-mail]   |   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Andy Lutomirski)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Bug Frequencies needed
Date: 26 Aug 1995 00:59:39 GMT
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In article   writes:
>u.washington.edu!gordonlm
>From: [e-mail] (G. Mitchell)
>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
>Subject: Re: Bug Frequencies needed
>Date: 24 Aug 1995 00:43:29 GMT
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>
>[e-mail] (Colin Smith) writes:
>
>>Does anyone know the 'common' UHF/VHF frequencies used by
>>covert radio surveillance transmitters (bugs)?
>
>Generally above 50 MHz.  Below that frequency it is hard to get
>much antenna efficiency with limited lengths.  DC (battery) to
>RF efficiency is critical for good battery length.
>
>The upper end of freqs is ligh0t.  Thru-air and fiber links are
>not hard to make these days.  They generally go to RF transmitters
>outside the window.
>
>>I would also be interested to hear from anyone who has
>>picked up such a bug in a 'sweep'.
>
>The guys that talk aren't to be believed.
>
>
>   Gordon Mitchell   [e-mail]

Me too

Andy <[e-mail]>  Please e-mail


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (pmy )
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Subject: Can you talk about the stock market on the air?
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I have a friend with whom I regularly discuss the stock market, the
economy, techniques for mathematically modelling the markets, etc.
Most of it is academic in nature.  Is this subject okay to discuss on
the air?

Please send all replies to [e-mail].


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Can you talk about the stock market on the air?
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In article <41jj21$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (pmy ) writes:
>I have a friend with whom I regularly discuss the stock market, the
>economy, techniques for mathematically modelling the markets, etc.
>Most of it is academic in nature.  Is this subject okay to discuss on
>the air?

Sure, as long as you aren't coordinating an investing club or otherwise
communicating for profit, you can talk about anything you like, it's a
free country.

Gary

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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Ennes)
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Subject: Re: Can you talk about the stock market on the air?
Date: 26 Aug 1995 02:14:35 GMT
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Yes it is OK to talk about stocks on the air.  You are not doing anything
commercial in nature.

N7DTD




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Buch)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can you talk about the stock market on the air?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 00:16:21 GMT
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[e-mail] (pmy ) wrote:

>I have a friend with whom I regularly discuss the stock market, the
>economy, techniques for mathematically modelling the markets, etc.
>Most of it is academic in nature.  Is this subject okay to discuss on
>the air?

>Please send all replies to [e-mail].

The rules say that your transmissions cannot have any pecuniary
interest.  A broad interpretation of the rule might be assumed to
require that you should not talk about your investments.  You probably
shouldn't air your personal financial information over the air to be
safe.  My recommendation would be to go ahead and talk about the
economy, the stock market in general, performance of specific stocks,
and similar topics.  Don't make specific buy or sell recommendations
and you should be OK.  If the FCC has a problem with this, I think
they would be on real thin ice from a free-speech perspective.  If you
and your friend would like to expand your discussion into a group net,
I would like to join in.  There are so few intelligent conversations
on ham radio these days; I think it would be refreshing.  Let me know
if you are on HF and if you would like to get a net going..


Joe Buch N2JB
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:09 1995
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Subject: Re: Can you talk about the stock market on the air?
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[e-mail] (Joe Buch) wrote:
  There are so few intelligent conversations
>on ham radio these days; I think it would be refreshing.  Let me know
>if you are on HF and if you would like to get a net going..
>
>
>Joe Buch N2JB
>[e-mail]

Amen.

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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:10 1995
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  >
  > Burt Fisher is a schmuck.
  >

  Har har har. Burt's gotten to be enough of a schmuck to get on the
  canclemoose list.

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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:11 1995
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From: K R Jeffcoat <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Cell phone use on planes?
Date: 26 Aug 1995 21:31:48 GMT
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[e-mail] (Abraham Stavsky) wrote:
>
>Why are 800 MHz cellular phones forbidden on air carriers when
>the same airline offers cell phone service to its passengers using
>a credit card?  Any logic here?
>
>73s
>KE6OCM
>--
>A. Stavsky, P.O. Box 351222, Los Angeles, CA  90035-1222

It's the difference between equipment that's part of the airframe or
installed in the aircraft and equipment that is brought on board as cargo
or by passengers.  The on board telephone service has been tested and
approved and proven not to interfere with the avionics.

Same goes with flammable liquids, wet batteries, flare guns, compressed
gas bottles, and so on.  Forbidden as cargo, but aboard every flight!

The bottom line is there is a reason, and we just have to live with it.






From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Cell phone use on planes?
Date: 27 Aug 1995 01:55:39 GMT
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In article <41nsgg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>>  When you're on an airplane, you have a 30,000' high antenna, and can see
>>  _lots_ of cells, with the attendant possibility (or, more likely,
>>  probability) of interfering with all of them.  On the ground, you're
>>  only in range of, at most, a few cells, and they can deal with this.
>
>But you are inside a metal tube...
>I thought that the reason for the restriction was the possibility of you
interfering with the planes'
>communications, etc...

I recently saw the FAA directive on this issue. The primary reason is because
the FCC (yes, the FCC) does not wish you to use your 30,000' high antenna to
interfere with numerous cell sites. 850 MHz radio signals will easily escape
through the window holes on airliners. Furthermore, at altitude, you will hear
potentially many cells - causing a lot of interference to you. The cellular
radio telephone system was designed for use by low level users. Cell sizes vary
typically from about 1 mile diamter out to about 20 miles in diameter,
depending on how many customers must be served. Cells generally reuse
frequencies in a way that there are unique channels for 7 cells, and then they
repeat. Consequently, the same channel may be in use just 2 to 4 cells away. As
you can see, from the air, you will render useless a great many cells on the
one channel that has been assigned to you.

Ed Mitchell



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Cell phone use on planes?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <41o3s4$[e-mail]> K R Jeffcoat <[e-mail]> writes:
>[e-mail] (Abraham Stavsky) wrote:
>>Why are 800 MHz cellular phones forbidden on air carriers when
>>the same airline offers cell phone service to its passengers using
>>a credit card?  Any logic here?
>
>It's the difference between equipment that's part of the airframe or
>installed in the aircraft and equipment that is brought on board as cargo
>or by passengers.  The on board telephone service has been tested and
>approved and proven not to interfere with the avionics.

Actually, in the case of cellular phones there's nore to it than that.
The FAA doesn't like unapproved electronic devices as you note, but in
the case of cellular the FCC specifically forbids their use because
at the altitude of an aircraft the phone would occupy *many* cells
at once and adversely affect the cellular network. The airphones operate
on different frequencies from cellular, and with a ground network
designed for aircraft sources, so they don't have that problem.
(Newer airphone systems are satellite anyway.)

>Same goes with flammable liquids, wet batteries, flare guns, compressed
>gas bottles, and so on.  Forbidden as cargo, but aboard every flight!

Hazardous materials can be shipped air freight in certain cases. Guns
and ammo can be shipped on any flight where they are declared, and
compressed, and even cryogenic, gases can be shipped in FAA approved
containers. Acid can be shipped too, but wet batteries generally
aren't approved containers for it. They are shipped as part of a
larger cargo, however, such as when included with a generator set or
as part of a vehicle being shipped. Those latter items generally
aren't shipped on a *passenger* aircraft, however.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:14 1995
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On Sat, 26 Aug 1995, Abraham Stavsky wrote:

>
> Why are 800 MHz cellular phones forbidden on air carriers when
> the same airline offers cell phone service to its passengers using
> a credit card?  Any logic here?
>
> 73s
> KE6OCM
> --
> A. Stavsky, P.O. Box 351222, Los Angeles, CA  90035-1222
>
>
Money made by the air lines,   not really, the airlines cell phone is a
specific setup with a lot of engineering so that it will not interfere
with the navigational systems on the aircraft.  Your pocket cell phone
isn't and could well get into some of the aircrafts vital equipment and
cause immense problems for all.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Jarrett)
Subject: Re: Cell phone use on planes?
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Fred Peerenboom ([e-mail]) wrote:
: On Sat, 26 Aug 1995, Abraham Stavsky wrote:
: > Why are 800 MHz cellular phones forbidden on air carriers when
: >
: Money made by the air lines,   not really, the airlines cell phone is a
: specific setup with a lot of engineering so that it will not interfere
: with the navigational systems on the aircraft.  Your pocket cell phone
: isn't and could well get into some of the aircrafts vital equipment and
: cause immense problems for all.

Plus the fact that the standard cellular telephone system was never
designed to handle RF from "above".  It totally screws up the concepts
that make cellular telephones work.  Key up a cell phone from 10,000 feet
above the city and you hit numerous cell sites.  Totally confuses the
software <grin>.

Take a cell phone up on a mountain overlooking a big city, BTW, and you
may find that it doesn't work in some places.  I think what happens is the
software running the cellphone system gets so confused that it just tells
your telephone to go away . . .  "I hear you from too many places and I
don't understand how to talk to you".

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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David C. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Comments Tandy HTX-212 2m
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 05:04:42 GMT
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You are correct, however you are talkingh about the wrong radio. The 212 is
the new mobile and it has wide receive out of the box and instructions to open
for mars/cap frequencies in the book (via the keyboard non the less) The 202
is the handheld and the only out of band receive mod is to tape a scanner to
the back... :-)

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>HA>Can anyone offer some constructive criticism or compliments regarding the
>HA>Radio Shack HTX-212?  Also, is this radio modifiable?  I understand that
>HA>it can RX up to 174 with a key-pad combination but can it be alter to TX
>HA>as well up to that range?
>
>standard form answer:
>the radio shack amateur ht's CANNOT, i repeat CANNOT be modified for out
>of band TX or RX.  period.  end of story.  whoever told you that the
>unit could be modified is lying to you or has no idea what he / she is
>talking about.
>
>greg
>kd6ven

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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:17 1995
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From: Walter Zorn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CQ Alamogordo, NM
Date: 27 Aug 1995 14:22:54 GMT
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Hello,

I'm seeking 2M and 440MHz in Southern NM for a planned trip to
Alamogordo.  If anyone can send me information, beyond what's
in the ARRL RPTR Directory, I would greatly appreciate it.  I'm
especially interested in open (or closed with appropiate
permission, etc.) autopatching to let the folks know our
location (and for emergencies, of course).

Please send any info. you can share to:
Walter (KF0OS) at [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:18 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
Date: 25 Aug 1995 19:23:06 GMT
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In article <41kklv$[e-mail]>,
Zack Widup <[e-mail]> wrote:

>If you look at the frequency domain representation of the time-domain CW
>signal (Fourier transform), you get ... sidebands! Although they are much
>narrower than other modes, CW has them. Hence, it's modulation.

You're right Zack, and it just occurred to me how CW operators can
conserve bandwidth. 30 wpm CW occupies a lot more bandwidth than
5 wpm CW so, in the same spirit that limits digital modes to 300
baud, don't you think think CW should be limited to 5 wpm?  :-)

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
Date: 25 Aug 1995 13:54:07 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Brian Carling) says:

>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
>From: [e-mail]
>
>Again, pure horse poop, Dana!
>
>DM>Sending a digital code by varying the amplitude of a 10W carrier between
>DM>very near 0 and 10W is indeed amplitude modulation; in fact, it is
>DM>exactly like amplitude modulating the carrier with a baseband
>DM>digital signal filtered to remove the upper harmonics.
>
>Bet you never use that "CW Modulator" of yours!
>
>

I don't know what the "official" definition of "modulation" is, but in my
book anything with sidebands (or at least one) is modulation.

If you look at the frequency domain representation of the time-domain CW
signal (Fourier transform), you get ... sidebands! Although they are much
narrower than other modes, CW has them. Hence, it's modulation.

I like the idea of single-sideband CW. Maybe a good Larson E. Rapp
article could come of it!   :-)

                                        73, Zack W9SZ


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (michael silva)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
Date: 26 Aug 1995 04:20:06 GMT
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In <41l7uq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

>You're right Zack, and it just occurred to me how CW operators can
>conserve bandwidth. 30 wpm CW occupies a lot more bandwidth than
>5 wpm CW so, in the same spirit that limits digital modes to 300
>baud, don't you think think CW should be limited to 5 wpm?  :-)
>
I think you've hit on something, Cecil.  Since 300 baud is equivalent
to 250 wpm, we should limit both on-air transmission and testing to
below that speed.  A very good idea, since I really have trouble
getting above 150 or so...

BTW, for a given rig 30 wpm does *not* occupy more bandwidth than 5
wpm, because the shape of the leading and trailing edges is the same in
both cases.

73,
Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:20 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
Date: 26 Aug 1995 12:50:36 GMT
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In <41m7dm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (michael silva) writes:
>BTW, for a given rig 30 wpm does *not* occupy more bandwidth than 5
>wpm, because the shape of the leading and trailing edges is the same in
>both cases.

it's got to because the pulse duration got shorter..unless you use 30 WPM
characters spaced to 5 WPM.  the bandwidth consumed at the instant
doesn't know about the information throughput.  a V sent at 30 is going to
be wider than the same thing sent at straight 5.  the shaping only provides
a limit  to what can be sent.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
Date: 26 Aug 1995 14:14:39 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] () says:

>In article <41kklv$[e-mail]>,
>Zack Widup <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>If you look at the frequency domain representation of the time-domain CW
>>signal (Fourier transform), you get ... sidebands! Although they are much
>>narrower than other modes, CW has them. Hence, it's modulation.
>
>You're right Zack, and it just occurred to me how CW operators can
>conserve bandwidth. 30 wpm CW occupies a lot more bandwidth than
>5 wpm CW so, in the same spirit that limits digital modes to 300
>baud, don't you think think CW should be limited to 5 wpm?  :-)
>
>73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)
>

Not in the SSB sub-bands!    (big  :-)        )

                                        73, Zack


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:22 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
Date: 26 Aug 1995 23:50:54 GMT
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In article <41nhfa$[e-mail]>,
michael silva <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Nope, the frequency components due to the dit length are lower than
>those due to the edges, so while the former will increase in frequency
>at higher wpm it's the latter that determine the bandwidth.

This could easily be remedied in the law that would limit hams to
5 wpm CW. A limit could be specified for sidebands that would obsolete
all the present equipment and only allow slow rise and fall times
thus conserving spectrum and allowing more CW QSOs in the available
bandwidth. Sort of like outlawing spark because it was too wide. :-)

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (michael silva)
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Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
Date: 26 Aug 1995 16:17:46 GMT
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In <41n5as$[e-mail]> [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk) writes:
>
>In <41m7dm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (michael
silva) writes:
>>BTW, for a given rig 30 wpm does *not* occupy more bandwidth than 5
>>wpm, because the shape of the leading and trailing edges is the same
in
>>both cases.
>
>it's got to because the pulse duration got shorter..unless you use 30
WPM
>characters spaced to 5 WPM.  the bandwidth consumed at the instant
>doesn't know about the information throughput.  a V sent at 30 is
going to
>be wider than the same thing sent at straight 5.  the shaping only
provides
>a limit  to what can be sent.

Nope, the frequency components due to the dit length are lower than
those due to the edges, so while the former will increase in frequency
at higher wpm it's the latter that determine the bandwidth.


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:24 1995
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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 95 18:02:41 GMT
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In article <41n5as$[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Bill Newkirk" writes:

> In <41m7dm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (michael silva)
>  writes:
> >BTW, for a given rig 30 wpm does *not* occupy more bandwidth than 5
> >wpm, because the shape of the leading and trailing edges is the same in
> >both cases.
>
> it's got to because the pulse duration got shorter..unless you use 30 WPM
> characters spaced to 5 WPM.  the bandwidth consumed at the instant
> doesn't know about the information throughput.  a V sent at 30 is going to
> be wider than the same thing sent at straight 5.  the shaping only provides
> a limit  to what can be sent.


Of course, you're both right.  The higher the frequency of transmitting
the switch-on and switch-off edges, the more energy that will go into the
sidebands per unit *time* (as opposed to per unit character) and by
definition, that means more sideband power at higher keying speeds.  Thus
you might consider that a higher keying speed causes greater bandwidth or
merely a greater "depth of modulation".  If you define bandwidth as the
distance from the center frequency at which the power is down say 25dB
from the unkeyed level, then the increase in character rate will increase
bandwidth as so defined.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:28 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 18:20:00 -0500
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]

Scott writes to Dana:

SHR>Dana Myers, [e-mail] writes:

SHR>> In article [...] Brian Carling <[e-mail]> wrote:
SHR>>> ROTFLL! I just love this stuff, he he he!
SHR>>> Gary you really are the biggest BS'er on here!

SHR>BTW, Adv was the hardest am lic to earn.  After Adv, Extra theory was a
SHR>piece of cake; it was the code that held me back.  Then put your back
SHR>into it and learn it and stop yer bitching.

SHR>If I've got this whole conv wrong, forgive.  But Extra-bashing always
SHR>seems to occur amongst those who haven't yet earned it.

SHR>Mean while I'll todder away on my straight key ....  And keep in mind, I
SHR>'fully support' GMDSS -- when you learn >that< means, kiddo, then we can
SHR>talk, eh?

Hey Scott, don't forget that you are MODULATING with that straight key!
Yes siree! Don't let any of those "idiot extras" fool you into thinking
that you are keying any CW rig. Why us techno-nerds ALL know that a
straight key is really a modulator! Pffft!

73 de AF4K! - Brian C.
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ I've used all my sick days, so am calling in dead.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:30 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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From: [e-mail]

Ross, this has to be the most STUPID inverted. circular doubled-back
logic I have ever seen anyone use! Thank youfor entertaining us with
your puerile attempt at humor!

You must have no life if you can't do any better than this.

RA>Organization: Athabasca University

RA>>You've lost the thread Ross. This had nothing to do with
RA>>BROADCASTERS. It was about hams, but don't let reality interfere
RA>>with your schtick about FM transmitters being simpler to build than
RA>>CW transmitters, he he!

You seem to be confused. It was probably someone else that
foolishly claimed that FM transmitters were simpler than CW
transmitters.

RA>Brian,
RA>You've got your atributation botched.

OK, I agree. BTW, It is attribution, not atributation.
Do they teach New Age spelling at Athabascau?

RA>But it's trivially easy to go
RA>back and get the original.

Not with an off-line mail reader on a BBS!

Let me help your memory.  The question
RA>about "how many broadcasters" was your question, not mine.  I just
RA>offered an answer.  I didn't invent the question.

Well, you jumped into a thread knowing nothing about what was actually
being disputed.

RA>>RA>[e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:

RA>These two lines are the center of Brian's error.

Now you tell me who is in error! I was quoting "CM" whoever that was,
and YOU attributed it to me!
Talk about the pot calling the kettle "black!"

RA>After all, Brian has
RA>made so many errors in this group, we can't be surprised at another.

Go and boil your bottom sundry silly peson!

RA>>RA>About as many as there are HF broadcasters using an oscilator [sic]
RA>>RA>hooked up to a switch :).

RA>And the above two lines are my answer.

OK, then I guess you agree with me - fine!

RA>Ross ve6pdq

Ross - go and pick a fight somewhere else. You are sounding like a very
confused person who has to become obnoxious to compensate for their own
feelings of inferiority.

I think we all agree that a CW transmitter is simpler than an FM
transmitter so stop grumbling and go eat your Wheaties!

Brian, AF4K
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ For Sale: Dehydrated H²O - $14 per quart



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:31 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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CM>>CM>FYI the CW circuitry in my IC-745 is pretty complex. The CW
CM>>CM>filters alone cost around $300 and my Bencher hand key cost
CM>>CM>$80. It came equipped for SSB and FM. I had to spend an additional
CM>>CM>$380 to get on CW.

CM>>NONSENSE! What pure _B_  _S_!

CM>Are you accusing me of not telling the truth?

No, I am telling you that you are making a very stupid non sequitur.
FOLLOW THE THREAD!
Two other hams were discussing the advantages of CW. One said that a
CW transmitter is the simplest to BUILD for a young ham.

YOU foolishly jumped in and claimed that an FM transmitter is SIMPLER
than a CW transmitter. You changed the context to support a view
that is unrelated to the topic that was being discussed. You shanged it
to commercially built amateur radio equipment. That was not the topic.
Follow the thread next time, or explain what you mean! Otherwise,
don't get all excited if people, naturally fail to read your mind.

CM>My IC-745 came without
CM>the two CW filters. The CW selection position will not work without
CM>them 'cause there's no audio output. Please email me where the NONSENSE
CM>and _B_ _S_ exists.

Please, tell us how long it took you to build that IC-745?

CM>>Cecil, there are plenty of amateurs on QRP using simple one and two
CM>>transistor rigs, some home brew, some kits. I mean THOUSANDS!

CM>There are thousands of hams using single transistor oscillators for
CM>transmitters? If that were true, there should be a lot of chirps out
CM>there. Maybe we could set up a charity for those poor guys so they
CM>could at least add a final amplifier. It reminds me of the tale of
CM>starving people in third-world countries who can only afford CW rigs.

Oh shut up! If you can't follow a thread, don't jump in and try to
pick an idiotic fight.

CM>>BTW - if you are paying $300 for CW filters for an ICOM, you got taken!

CM>That's list price at HRO. One cost $180, the other cost $90

Just as I thought.

CM>>CM>Actually, a carbon mike is a much simpler device than the average
CM>>CM>commercial Morse key. You can make one out of pencil lead.

CM>>Again, pure B.S.

CM>OK, I challenge you to prove that my statements are false or else
CM>meet me in downtown Queen Creek at high noon. :-)

Your statements are not just wrong, they are incredibly stupid!
No hams USE a bloody carbon mike. This is amazingly childish!
How did you ever get a ham ticket?

CM>ps: My mother says you should wash your mouth out with soap.

P.S. My mother says that YOUR mother was a hamster and that your breath
smells of elderberries!

CM>73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)

Cecil I am sure your brain hurts by now!

72 de AF4K
---
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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:32 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]

Again, pure horse poop, Dana!

DM>Sending a digital code by varying the amplitude of a 10W carrier between
DM>very near 0 and 10W is indeed amplitude modulation; in fact, it is
DM>exactly like amplitude modulating the carrier with a baseband
DM>digital signal filtered to remove the upper harmonics.

Bet you never use that "CW Modulator" of yours!
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ My family thinks I am WORKING on this computer! He he!



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:33 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 25 Aug 1995 15:49:35 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Brian Carling <[e-mail]> wrote:

>No hams USE a bloody carbon mike.

If you don't like carbon mikes then how about a $1 crystal mike
and a $0.20 Op Amp to modulate that single transistor transmitter?

I'm not pulling your leg. In the past, telephones used carbon
microphones and that's where a lot of hams got theirs. We used them
for single/double tube AM and FM transmitters. I still have some in
my junk box. If the FCC allowed new hams to use FM, I guarantee you
there would be a lot of new hams on FM with transmitters no more
complex than CW transmitters. Why do they subsidize CW? Why don't
they allow freedom of choice of modes?

>How did you ever get a ham ticket?

When you were still in diapers, my parents drove me 200 miles in a '46
Chevy with no AC to the nearest FCC office in Houston where I passed
with flying colors in front of an FEE examiner and became W5DXP.

>Cecil I am sure your brain hurts by now!

Mensa brains are unaffected by your temper tantrums.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:33 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 26 Aug 1995 12:13:16 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:

>No hams USE a bloody carbon mike. This is amazingly childish!

i wouldn't be so sure...maybe if they flossed and brushed regularly it
wouldn't be so bloody. however, if i had a carbon mike and interfaced it
to the radio, i suspect it would work...probably sound a lot like a telephone.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:34 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 09:16:00 -0500
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GC>It does if you actually copy the traffic. Telegraphy means "distant
GC>writing". The distant operator writes the message down. If it's not
GC>on the paper, it isn't copy.

Says who? A pattern etched in a RAM chip or in the cells of your
brain is still a form of "writing."
I see nothing implicit in the suffix "-graphy" that mentions any
particular kind of paper, Gary! Grins, runs and ducks for cover.
Send all flames to the dumpster, you guys!
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ I'll never forget the time I had amnesia.


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 25 Aug 1995 15:31:49 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Brian Carling <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
>From: [e-mail]
>
>Again, pure horse poop, Dana!

This is from the gentleman who spent a lot of energy trying to
convince me I'm rude and arrogant?

>DM>Sending a digital code by varying the amplitude of a 10W carrier between
>DM>very near 0 and 10W is indeed amplitude modulation; in fact, it is
>DM>exactly like amplitude modulating the carrier with a baseband
>DM>digital signal filtered to remove the upper harmonics.
>
>Bet you never use that "CW Modulator" of yours!

Actually, I operate Morse CW almost every time I'm on HF, which
admittedly isn't often enough.

As for "Morse code isn't modulation", no amount of name-calling
and ridicule is going to change the facts: Morse code sent by
on-off-keying is a form of AM.  Tell me this is pure horse poop
all you want, but it is true.

Are you just being obstinate for fun?


--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are      *
 * [phone]               | mine and do not necessarily   *
 * [e-mail]      | reflect those of my employer  *


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Distance formula?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 10:56:30 GMT
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Sender: [e-mail]

I thought I had a formula for finding the distance between two points
on the globe given the latitude and longitude of each, but I can't find
it.

Can someone tell me what it is?  I'm looking for one which corrects for
the varying lengths of a degree of latitude at different degrees of
longitude, not the simple euclidean distance formula.

Also, is there a relatively simple solution which also accounts for the
fact that the earth is not a perfect sphere?  That's more precise than I
want, but I'm curious.

--

-----------------------------
Jack Hamilton  [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (John Kodis)
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In article <[e-mail]>, Jack Hamilton <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I thought I had a formula for finding the distance between two points
>on the globe given the latitude and longitude of each, but I can't find
>it.
>
>Can someone tell me what it is?  I'm looking for one which corrects for
>the varying lengths of a degree of latitude at different degrees of
>longitude, not the simple euclidean distance formula.

I think this might be the one that you had in mind.

  two_pi = 8 * atan2(1, 1);
  circ = 40000;         # circumference of the earth, in kilometers.
                        # use circ = 24855 if you prefer miles.
  lat0 = dms2rad("n39:05:54");# latitude and longitude of my house,
  lon0 = dms2rad("w76:27:30");#  ... in [nsew]<deg>:<min>:<sec> notation.
  sin_lat0 = sin(lat0);
  cos_lat0 = cos(lat0); # sin and cos of my (or your) home latitude.

  function gcd(lat, lon,  a) {
    a = asin(sin_lat0 * sin(lat) + cos_lat0 * cos(lat) * cos(lon0-lon)) - pi_2;
    return (a<0) ? -circ * a / two_pi : circ * a / two_pi;
  }


>Also, is there a relatively simple solution which also accounts for the
>fact that the earth is not a perfect sphere?  That's more precise than I
>want, but I'm curious.

I'm sure that there are.  I'm also sure that they are not simple, and
that I don't know what they are.  You might try Snyder's _Map
Projections -- a working manual_, published by the USGS.

-- John Kodis.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Moldenhauer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Date: 26 Aug 1995 22:35:08 GMT
Organization: Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources
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In article <413phn$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (frank
mackenzielamb) writes:
>>No to dropping the code...that simple.
>>73 De Frank
>>NG1I nr Boston
>
>too late, we already did for VHF and up.
>
>nobody said you would have to stop using it.
>

I think the whole license structure needs to be reexamined.  It is silly
to force people who only want to do things like packet radio, slow scan
TV, etc to learn Morse Code.  On the other hand you may want to restrict
some bands to code only for people who want to communicate that way.  We
already have no-code technicians anyway.

Something like:

Computer Class - All bands packet, voice on most bands
Telegrapher Class - All bands voice, code on code restricted bands







From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John B. Lawrence )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Date: 27 Aug 1995 07:29:21 GMT
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In <41o7is$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert
Moldenhauer) writes:
>
>In article <413phn$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>
>>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (frank
>mackenzielamb) writes:
>>>No to dropping the code...that simple.
>>>73 De Frank
>>>NG1I nr Boston
>>
>>too late, we already did for VHF and up.
>>
>>nobody said you would have to stop using it.
>>
>
>I think the whole license structure needs to be reexamined.  It is
silly
>to force people who only want to do things like packet radio, slow
scan
>TV, etc to learn Morse Code.  On the other hand you may want to
restrict
>some bands to code only for people who want to communicate that way.
We
>already have no-code technicians anyway.
>
>Something like:
>
>Computer Class - All bands packet, voice on most bands
>Telegrapher Class - All bands voice, code on code restricted bands
>
>
>
>
>
YES!!!! Drop the code for those of us who don't want it!!!! I'm trying
to learn code but am having much difficulty because I am almost tone
deaf. Code is useless to me.............

John
KE6TGN


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (michael silva)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Date: 27 Aug 1995 16:03:48 GMT
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In <41p6sh$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John B.
Lawrence ) writes:
>>
>YES!!!! Drop the code for those of us who don't want it!!!! I'm trying
>to learn code but am having much difficulty because I am almost tone
>deaf. Code is useless to me.............
>
>John
>KE6TGN

So, John wants to drop (!!!!) the code (lower the requirements for a
license), rather than replacing the code test with a tougher written on
newer modes, techniques and circuits.  The latter is a very defensible
position (one I'm in large agreement with myself), while the former
is...well, you decide.

BTW, I'm curious how tone deafness (inability to match pitch?) affects
learning the code?

Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:39 1995
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From: Philip Ambrose <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Frequ: Mt. Whitney!!
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 22:51:58 -0700
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I am going to Mt. Whitney (in CA) and would like to know of any ham
repeaters in the area (2 meter only).  I knew of a few out of the Lone
Pine area but have lost them.  If anyone has this info. please e-mail
me..makes me feel safer on trips when I know I'll have some radio
contacts.  Think of the reception at 14,000+ft. (Highest point in
Continental U.S.)

Thanx in advance,
Phil Ambrose (KE6FPS)
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:40 1995
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From: "George L. Hiscox" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frequ: Mt. Whitney!!
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I seem to recall that there is one on Mazourka Peak (near Lone
Pine E/of 395) on 146.76 and another E/of Bishop on 146.94.
Don't think either one requires a PL.

Have fun and be careful!  As of July 4th weekend there was still
a whole lot of snow on the summit trail.

George

--
| George L. Hiscox                 | Very funny Scotty... Now |
| [e-mail]               | beam down my clothes !!! |
| WA6RIK @ WB6YMH.#socal.ca.usa.na | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Karamanos )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Frequ: Mt. Whitney!!
Date: 27 Aug 1995 08:34:53 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> Philip
Ambrose <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>I am going to Mt. Whitney (in CA) and would like to know of any ham
>repeaters in the area (2 meter only).  I knew of a few out of the Lone

>Pine area but have lost them.  If anyone has this info. please e-mail
>me..makes me feel safer on trips when I know I'll have some radio
>contacts.  Think of the reception at 14,000+ft. (Highest point in
>Continental U.S.)
>
>Thanx in advance,
>Phil Ambrose (KE6FPS)
>[e-mail]


Hello Phil,

Try the following freqs:

146.940-            Silver Pk., Bishop
444.150+ (131.8)    Silver Pk., Bishop
146.730- (100.0)    Mammoth Mtn.
146.880- (100.0)    Mt. Potosi, Las Vegas

Good Luck and 73's

Kevin, WD6DIH



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Van Yperen)
Date: 26 Aug 95 23:29:18
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: GB Lighthouse weekend
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Alexander BBS / HCC OS/2 gg - [phone] & 2201454
Lines: 18

Anyone with details of the stations working at Northern Lighthouse weekend in
Schotland ?????
I request info on QSL-adress and Award-adress/info.
Seems the info was in August issue of RadCom page 33,anyone can send me a copy
or info pse via
                    [e-mail]

           (snail)  Gong 52
                    3068 LM Rotterdam
                    The Netherlands.           TNS ALL.


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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ham activity in Ibiza & Gran Canaria?
Date: 26 Aug 1995 14:23:41 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Michael Sattler, San Francisco <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm about to travel to Ibiza and Gran Canaria.  I'm wondering whether
>it'll be worth my while to pack my HT.

It might be interesting if you speak spanish. Else you are waisting your
time.

73, Moritz DL5UH



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Sattler, San Francisco)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham activity in Ibiza & Gran Canaria?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 23:48:05 -0700
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I'm about to travel to Ibiza and Gran Canaria.  I'm wondering whether
it'll be worth my while to pack my HT.  Does anyone have info, freqs,
contacts, thoughts about licensing reciprocity with Spain, etc.?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Michael Sattler <[e-mail]>  http://www.jungle.com/msattler/ |
                                                                       |
I'll be writing my next book on the islands of Ibiza and Gran Canaria  |
from from 5 Sept to 9 Dec 1995.  I'll get and respond to email, albeit |
with some lag time.  My home page will have an ongoing trip report,    |
complete with images, sounds, and perhaps movies.  Check it out.       |


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:43 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HHHEEELLLPPP!!!!!!
Date: 25 Aug 1995 00:50:34 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Rick Edwards) writes:
>
>RC>I need to order a part from ICOM to fix my radio. I have an I-O2AT and the
>  >ribbon cable inside broke. Can anyone tell me the number for ICOM
>  >America???? Thanks.
>
>Give 800 information a call (800-555-1212).

or check out the ads in any of the relevant magazines....

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BUDDY10)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How do i find out my exact Longitude/latitude ?
Date: 27 Aug 1995 10:47:49 -0400
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How do i find out my exact longitude & latitude , so i can use a beam
heading program ?
Thanks !


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:44 1995
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From: Floydjr <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How do i find out my exact Longitude/latitude ?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 12:19:14 -0400 (EDT)
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Have someone look up your call on Buckmaster. It gives you all the info
you will need.

73's Jim // WA4ZXA


On 27 Aug 1995, BUDDY10 wrote:

>
> How do i find out my exact longitude & latitude , so i can use a beam
> heading program ?
> Thanks !
>


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Fortnum)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How do I get my licence in Canada?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:58:22 -0400
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Any Canadian Hammers here?  I would like to ask you some questions.  I am
interested in tranceiving.

Cheers.

--
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Rich Fortnum (aka BeeRich)
F & M Breweries Limited
Guelph, Ontario, CANADA
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (prvalko)
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Subject: Re: How do I get my licence in Canada?
Date: 26 Aug 1995 13:18:09 GMT
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Rich Fortnum ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Any Canadian Hammers here?  I would like to ask you some questions.  I am
: interested in tranceiving.
: Cheers.
: Rich Fortnum (aka BeeRich)
: F & M Breweries Limited
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Boy is this guy going to be popular for Field Day!

=paul= wb8zjl



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (PJohn8888)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: IC-735 10M Sensitivity Problem
Date: 26 Aug 1995 18:52:10 -0400
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I recently became active after a few years off the air and was quickly
reminded that I always thought my IC-735 had poor sensitivity on 10 and
12M.  I seem to recall some talk years ago about a "fix" but had called
Icom once and they said no such thing.  Is anyone familiar with a "tuneup"
procedure for the IC-735?


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Icom CT-17 computer radio controller
Date: 26 Aug 1995 06:21:47 GMT
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Keywords: ICOM CT-17 SERIAL COMPUTER REMOTE CONTROL

I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has had any success with
the Icom CT-17 serial radio remote control (or a home-made version),
especially concerning the reading and setting of PL tones into
memories.

Thanks,
Doug Mitchell
[e-mail]
KC6ZVF



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:47 1995
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From: Bob Winingham <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Icom CT-17 computer radio controller
Date: 26 Aug 1995 08:50:05 GMT
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I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has had any success with
the Icom CT-17 serial radio remote control (or a home-made version),
especially concerning the reading and setting of PL tones into
memories.

-----------
All the CT-17 does is convert TTL to RS-232 using a MAX-232 chip.
It is a high price level conferter.

The rest is up to the computer program you use or write and the
type of ICOM radio you have.

You might need the ICOM CI-V reference manual.

Reply direct with radio type for more info.

73

Bob [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:48 1995
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Subject: idea man
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 95 15:18:41 EST
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To me the idea man does not have to be perfect.  He just has love and
respect himself before he can love and respect another person.  I think
the idea man does not have to be a arnold swartzanerger or how ever you
spell his name. I think the idea man should have a job and be happy with
his job.  To me he does not have to a hunk he just has to love me for
who I am.  It really is not that hard to find the right man but
sometimes I think that women in general are looking for their idea man
when sometimes he has been their right there all a long.


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tom_Jennings)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Info-Hams Digest V95 #722
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In message M, Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup says:


Date: 24 Aug 95 13:55:47 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Ronald D. Rossi)
Subject: W & W Associates / DJ-F1T Battery Problems

Folks,

I just want to relay my recent experience with these folks.  I
purchased a battery for my Alinco DJ-F1T from W & W Associates
based on an ad in QST.  The battery at first glance looked fine.  I
charged it up, put it on the radio and put it on my belt.  Well
when I pulled the radio off my belt the battery came loose from the
radio and was only attached at the bottom latch (This is a back,
not bottom, mounted battery).  Upon closely comparing the battery
to the original, I noted that the catch protruded too far from the
case.  This let the top of the battery become disengaged from the
radio.

I sent the battery back to W & W Associates with a detailed
description of the problem as I saw it along with diagrams.  I
received a new (actually refurbished) battery from them promptly
WITH EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM.  I just got of the phone with one of
their representatives.  She spoke with a technician told me that
"that was the way our battery attaches to that radio".  I told her
that I would be sending the battery back and expecting a full
refund.  This, she told me, would not be a problem.

The representative did not seem to care much when I told her that I
would be posting my experience to the internet and to the ARRL.  I
guess the moral is to order from the manufacturer.  I admit that
this is a subtle flaw, but it is a flaw that will damage the radio
since the the battery supports the radio.  W & W Associates were
willing only to refund my money.  DJ-F1T owners check your batteries
carefully when you get them!!

73 de N1PBT...Ron  ([e-mail]) ><>

Ron,
I had similar problem with my DJ-F1T's batter pack.  Over time the battery pack got
loose and kept detaching from the radio's body.  After examining the pack I found that the
catch was bent.  So I bent it back and the battery stays on securely.  Maybe all you needed to do
was a little bending and it would work fine.

73,
TJ, kv2x




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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (tim woo)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Info-Hams Digest V95 #723
Date: 25 Aug 95 16:29:12 GMT
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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:51 1995
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Subject: IPS Daily Report - 24 August 95
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 24/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 24 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 25 AUGUST - 27 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  77/16

GOES satellite data for 23 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   8.3E+04
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.8E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 3.3E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A1.0
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             25 Aug             26 Aug             27 Aug
Activity     Low                Low                Low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 25 Aug:  78/17

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 23 Aug
    Learmonth        6  2111 3221
    Fredericksburg   5                          11
    Planetary        7                          15

Observed Kp for 23 Aug: 4444 1122
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
25 Aug     5    Quiet
26 Aug     5    Quiet
27 Aug     5    Quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
24 Aug      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
25 Aug      normal         normal         normal
26 Aug      normal         normal         normal
27 Aug      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
24 Aug    12    near predicted monthly values

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
25 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values
26 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values
27 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: mostly near predicted monthly values, depressed
15% 04-06UT.Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values.

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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:52 1995
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 25/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 25 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 26 AUGUST - 28 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  77/16

GOES satellite data for 24 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   6.9E+04
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 4.6E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A4.8
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             26 Aug             27 Aug             28 Aug
Activity     Low                Low                Low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 26 Aug:  80/20

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 24 Aug
    Learmonth        9  3333 1121
    Fredericksburg  12                           7
    Planetary       18                           7

Observed Kp for 24 Aug: 2111 2223
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
26 Aug     5    Quiet
27 Aug     5    Quiet
28 Aug     5    Quiet
COMMENT: The cause of yesterdays mild geomagnetic activity is not
known. Quiet levels are expected over next few days.

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
25 Aug      normal         normal         fair-normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
26 Aug      normal         normal         normal
27 Aug      normal         normal         normal
28 Aug      normal         normal         normal
COMMENT: Degarded HF comms conditions may have been
experienced at high latitudes during local night last night.
-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
25 Aug    21    near predicted monthly values

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
26 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values
27 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values
28 Aug    20    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: depressed 15-30% 02-06UT, near predicted at
other times.Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values.

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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:53 1995
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Subject: Re: Is Candian Ham lisence valid in USA?
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Part 97.7 (Control operator required) states: When transmitting, each
amateur station must have a control operator.  The control operator must
be a person who has been granted an amateur operator/primary station
license, or who holds an unexpired document of the following types:

a. A reciprocal permit for alien amateur licensee (FCC Form 610-AL)

b. An amateur service license issued to the person by the Government of
Canada.  The person must be a Canadian citizen.

In other words, if you are a Canadian citizen - yes, you can operate in
the U.S. of A.

Hope this helps.

Max
N7NWG



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Trevor Dolby)
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Subject: Is SW Packet usable?
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 Hello,

 I am interested in using some form of digital communications
over large distances (across the Atlantic, for example). Satellite
technology is a bit expensive for me, so I was wondering if anyone
has tried packet radio with a SW link (using SSB-SC or DSB-LC)?
If so, what sort of speeds (bps per channel) are practical?

 I have looked on web sites and FAQs, but I haven't found much
relating to SW. Can anyone in NetLand(sm) help?

 Cheers,
                T.D.

Trevor Dolby - Distributed Systems Mgmt Group - T.J. Watson Research Center
[e-mail] - #include <net/disclaimer.h> - (914)7846407 TL:863


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:56 1995
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From: wirenet![e-mail] (GLEN SWANSON)
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Subject: RE: JOTA 1995
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The ARRL responded promptly re: JOTA '95...Attached are the details...
Thanks to those of you who responded!

Dennis - N4NR
 ---------------------------------------------------
1995 JAMBOREE ON THE AIR


MEDIA CONTACT:
American Radio Relay League (ARRL)
Educational Activities Department
Phone [phone]
Email [e-mail]


WHAT IS JOTA?

When Scouts want to meet young people from another country, they usually
think of attending a World Jamboree. But few people realize that each year
more than 400,000 Scouts and Guides "get together" over the airwaves for
the annual Jamboree-on-the-Air (JOTA). Modern technology offers Scouts the
exciting opportunity to make friends in other countries without leaving
home.

JOTA is an annual event in which Boy and Girl Scouts and Guides from all
over the world speak to each other by means of Amateur (ham) Radio.
Scouting experiences are exchanged and ideas are shared via radio waves.
Since 1958 when the first Jamboree-on-the-Air was held, millions of Scouts
have met each other through this event. Many contacts made during JOTA have
resulted in pen pals and links between Scout troops that have lasted many
years.

With no restrictions on age or on the number of participants, and at little
or no expense, JOTA allows Scouts to contact each other by ham radio. The
radio stations are operated by licensed ham radio operators. Many Scouts
and leaders hold licenses and have their own stations, but the majority
participate in JOTA through stations operated by local radio clubs and
individual radio amateurs. Some operators use television or computer-linked
communications.


WHEN

JOTA is held the third weekend in October. JOTA 1995 will take place
Saturday October 21, at 0001 hours local time to Sunday, October 22, 2359
hours local time, though some activity continues over from Friday to Monday
to take advantage of long distance (DX) time differences.


HOW DO WE TAKE PART?

First, contact a local Amateur Radio operator or club to ask for
assistance. If you need help finding one in your area, contact the
Educational Activities Department at ARRL HQ at [phone]. Radio
amateurs are enthusiastic about their hobby and most will be willing to
help you participate in JOTA. The radio operator may suggest that the
Scouts visit his/her station or that the operator bring equipment to your
local campsite. Often, JOTA stations are set up in unusual locations, such
as the top of a mountain, or on a boat. For free Girl and Boy Scout
brochures, contact the Educational Activities Department at ARRL HQ.


LICENSING REGULATIONS

Ham radio operators have obtained a radio transmission license by passing
an exam given by national authorities. License conditions vary from country
to country. In some, Scouts may speak over the air: in others, special
permission can be obtained for Scouts to speak over the radio during JOTA.


RULES

Radio operators run their stations in accordance with their national
licensing regulations.

Stations should call "CQ Jamboree," or answer stations doing so. Any
authorized frequency may be used. It is recommended that stations use the
agreed World Scout Frequencies, listed elsewhere in this document. To avoid
congestion, use close-by frequencies.

JOTA is not a contest. The idea is not to contact as many stations as
possible during the weekend.

All participating groups are asked to send a report of their activities to
their National JOTA Organizer (NJO) and to ARRL HQ after the event. The NJO
for the US is Dan Dansby, W5URI (see addresses listed elsewhere in this
document). NJOs forward national JOTA reports to the World Scout Bureau for
the World JOTA Report.

Although the worldwide JOTA is organized in October, Scouts can meet on the
air at other times during the year. Regular Scout nets (a pre-arranged time
and frequency when operators meet) are organized nationally or regionally.
An updated list of these nets can always be found in the latest World JOTA
Report which is published in March.


HB9S

The World Scout Bureau operates its own Amateur Radio station, with the
call sign HB9S. There is a permanent radio room in the Bureau's Geneva
offices, and the station is regularly on the air during Scout nets and JOTA
weekends. Transmitters are on the 10/15/20 meter, 160/80/40 meter and (in
the Geneva area) the 440/2 meter bands. Making contact with HB9S requires
patience, as many stations call at the same time. Please follow
instructions given by the operators and do not interfere with on-going
contacts. They speak in as many languages as possible.


SCOUT STATION CALL SIGNS

Each licensed Amateur Radio station has a unique identifier known as a
"call sign." The first letters specify the country. Here are call signs of
well-known stations that can often be contacted:

HB9S  World Scout Bureau
Geneva Switzerland

K2BSA  Boy Scouts of America National Office
Dallas TX

JA1YSS  Boy Scouts of Nippon National Office
Tokyo Japan

PA6JAM  Scouting Nederland National Station
Sassenheim Netherlands

5Z4KSA  The Kenya Scouts Assoc. Paxtu Station
Nyeri Kenya

VK1BP  The Scout Assn. of Australia National Station
Canberra Australia

GB2GP  The Scout Assn.
Gilwell Park, London UK

XE1ASM  Boy Scouts of Mexico

DU1BSP  Boy Scouts of Philippines


JOTA PROGRAM ACTIVITIES

Before the event:
* Send a report of your plans to local news reporters. Ask them to visit
the station.

* Ask a radio operator to talk about ham radio communications. Visit
his/her station to actually see how it works. Learn about radio waves and
their propagation.

* Learn to say hello in other languages.

* Learn about other countries and prepare questions to ask over the air.

* Design special QSL cards for the JOTA weekend. Find a way to print cards
or prepare different handmade cards.

* Build a suitable antenna and erect a tower. For ideas, refer to chapter 7
in "Now You're Talking!" available through the ARRL for $19, plus $3
shipping and handling.

* Build a simple radio receiver (send an SASE to ARRL for a list of kits).

* Learn about electricity and how to do simple electrical repairs such as
how to fix a blown fuse.

* Learn and practice Morse code. Use a computer to teach the code. ARRL has
a computer program that helps teach code: GGTE Morse Tutor for IBM or
compatible PCs.

* Practice talking into microphones using radio operating procedures and
jargon--see examples.

* Find out about your local area in order to answer questions from Scouts
in other regions.


During the Event:

* The global weather situation. Get a large wall map of the world. Ask the
Scouts with whom you speak to give the local weather. Mark it on the map
for the area where they are located. At the end of the weekend you will
have a global weather picture.

* Determine the distance between each radio contact that you made and add
them all up. Can you reach 100,000 km (62,000 miles) in one JOTA weekend?

* Learn to say "Scout" in several different languages. Use it whenever
possible.

* Invite parents and other friends to visit your JOTA station.

* Organize a weekend hike and take portable radio equipment with you.

* Ask Scouts to keep his/her own personal logbook. Include names, addresses
and other information for Scouts contacted.

* Set up an information section with maps, atlases and other sources. When
a contact is made, Scouts can find out details about the country or region.

* Plot contacts made on a world map.

* Invite the media to your station. Ask a newspaper to take photos.

* Organize a fox hunt, where Scouts have to locate a small hidden
transmitter. This can include the use of a map and compass.


After the Event:

* Write to the Scouts contacted. Establish individual (pen pal) or troop
links. Send your badge and other information about your area.

* Send your reports (and photos!) to the ARRL. Maybe you'll see your
picture in our magazine, QST!

* Send a report to your NJO. He'll send his national JOTA report to the
World Scout Bureau.

* Start planning for next year!


EXAMPLES OF RADIO JARGON USED BY RADIO AMATEURS

Ham:  An Amateur Radio operator.

Log:  A written (or computerized) record with details of contacts made.

"CQ Jamboree":  A request for any other JOTA station to answer your call.

QSL card:  A card which gives the details of the contact, such as location,
time and date of contact, etc.

"73":  Ham lingo for sincere "best regards." (Used on both phone and CW
toward the end of the contact.)

CW: (continuous wave):  Morse code telegraphy.

SSB or Phone:  Voice mode of sending messages.

Packet:  Electronic mode of sending radio messages using ham radios and
personal computers.

RTTY: (radio teletype):  Radio signals sent from one "teleprinter" to
another. What the sending operator types on his or her keyboard will be
printed on the screen of the receiving station.

Shack:  The room where an Amateur Radio operator has set up his or her
radio equipment.


WORLD SCOUT FREQUENCIES

Band   SSB (phone)
80 m    3.740 / 3.940 MHz
40 m    7.090 MHz
20 m   14.290 MHz
17 m   18.140 MHz
15 m   21.360 MHz
12 m   24.960 MHz
10 m  *28.990 MHz

*Note: On 10 meters, try 28.350 MHz, where US "Novice" class licensees may
participate.

Band   CW (Morse code)
80 m    3.590 MHz
40 m    7.030 MHz
20 m   14.070 MHz
17 m   18.080 MHz
15 m   21.140 MHz
12 m   24.910 MHz
10 m   28.190 MHz


JOTA RESOURCES

Postcard-size certificates are free to anyone participating in any way.
Order beforehand for presentation during JOTA or award later at Scout or
Amateur Radio club meetings. (These are not "QSL" cards.) Send a self-
addressed stamped envelope large enough to hold the cards ordered. Send
requests to:

Jamboree-on-the-Air Certificate Cards
S221, 1325 West Walnut Hill Lane
PO Box 152079
Irving TX 75015-2079

Pocket patches are $2.50 each; order early.
Include state sales tax. Send to:
JOTA Coordinator, International Division
Boy Scouts of America
S221, 1325 West Walnut Hill Lane
PO Box 152079
Irving TX 75015-2079
tel: [phone].

An account of the 37th Jamboree-On-The-Air event (1994) is contained in the
"World JOTA Report." To order your personal copy, contact your National
Scout HQ., or email [e-mail].

For a list of Amateur Radio Clubs in your area, contact:
American Radio Relay League
Educational Activities Department
225 Main Street  Newington CT 06111-1494  USA
Telephone: [phone]  FAX: [phone]
Internet: [e-mail]  ARRL BBS: [phone]
CompuServe: 70007,3373  Prodigy: PTYS02A  America Online: HQARRL1

JOTA.TXT
RJI 5/95
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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Gaskins)
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Subject: Re: JOTA 95
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 10:33:57 GMT
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wirenet![e-mail] (N4NR), in a fit of total madness, wrote:

>I would like to discover where I can obtain information about JOTA '95.
>Dates, times, patch availability, etc....

>Thanks in advance for any help!

>Dennis - N4NR
>[e-mail]

The September issue of Scouting magazine has a small blurb about it in
the News Briefs section, as well as a picture of the patch. It says
that the patch as well as "certificate cards to record contacts"
(QSLs?) are available. Should be able to get them from your local
Council service center. You can also write to:

BSA International Division
S221, P. O. Box 152079
Irving, TX 75015-2079

73,

Jim

e-mail-->[e-mail]
Amateur Radio Station-->AD4SI

...I never wake up Grumpy.....I just let her sleep!



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:58 1995
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Keps available at   ftp://archive.afit.af.mil/pub/space



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
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Subject: Re: Keplerian Elements (InstantTrack)
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Garry Harrison ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Please advice where we can obtain a electronic file for current Keplerian
: elements for Ham satellites.

: Thanks in anticipation.

: Regards

  If nowhere else, the Celestial BBS Number     1-334-409-9280
Gerry K8EF



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:36:59 1995
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From: Andrew Morkunas <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Looking for a HAMS in Germany
Date: 26 Aug 1995 06:47:13 GMT
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I know that their are VECs in Germany.  A friend of mine took his General
test and they applied for and received his DBP license.  Right now I am
in the field so I cannot find out where the VEC is but I will get back
with you.

Andrew
N7JRR/DA2AM




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DanielM949)
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Subject: Looking for mods on the ALINCO DX-70???????????????
Date: 26 Aug 1995 23:37:43 -0400
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I am looking for any mods ont the alinco dx-70 ,particularly a mod for the
cap/mars operation.

 Any responses would be greatly apreciated.

please E-mail at [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DARRYL LINKOW)
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Subject: Looking for.....
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 10:13:00 -0700
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I am looking for the following gear.  If you have any of these
items, please tell me price, condition, and if you are willing to
work a trade for computer hardware or software, or a few other
items I have around here for trade.

6 Meter mobile antenna  (vertical or halo)
Tri-band mobile (6M,2M, 70cm)
6 Meter mobile rig
2 Meter All-Mode radio
10 Meter All-Mode radio
Icom IC-SM2 microphone
Icom IC-PS20 power supply
Icom IC-MB5 mobile mounting bracket for IC-551D

                73, Darryl - KE6IHA

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 * OLX 2.2 * Darryl Linkow [phone]  9 am - 5 pm PDT


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Mac TCP/IP + Docs
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    Free - Latest Release of Macintosh TCP/IP software for Amateur Radio

version NET_Mac2.3.54

For those who don't know NET/Mac...   NET/Mac is the application that
supports TCP/IP over packet-radio, which means, that hamradio operators
can use NET/Mac for their wireless TCP/IP network...

In this version of NET/Mac the following mods/features were implemented:

- 'netmacicons' now also defines the icontype of 'source'-files
- <hostname>.<domainname> is now the same as <hostname>
- Added a mailfile-size-limit to the popmail command
- Added command 'domainname'
- Some cosmetic mods for netmacicons
- NET/Mac does NOT support the new Buckmaster CD-ROM's HAMCALL
  database yet... I am trying to convince Buckmaster that I need
  the new data-encryption-method, but as of yet they are not ready
  to release a description of the encoding-algorithm...
  The old CD-ROM's remain fully supported...

This version obsoletes all versions of info-mac/comm/radio-net-mac in
the Sumex-Aim.stanford.edu (and it's mirror-) archives.

The new NET/Mac has (hopefully) been uploaded to:

 - oak.oakland.edu, to the directory /pub/hamradio/mac/digital
 - ftp.ucsd.edu, to directory /hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming.
   If it's not there (anymore), then look at /hamradio/packet/tcpip/mac.
 - hamster.business.uwo.ca, to directory /pub/amsoft


NET/Mac includes interactive HELP if you are just starting out. I also include
a TCP.FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) that even includes names and addresses
of regional gurus and a "by the numbers" list of what you do to get
operational.

Send me (1) one formatted disk and a *self addressed and *stamped disk mailer
marked TCP/IP... 800k or 1.4 Meg disks are OK but they MUST be formatted.


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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (W8IJ Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: MFJ 949D Question
Date: 26 Aug 1995 17:45:08 -0400
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I recently moved and haven't been able to find the manual for my MFJ 949D
tuner.  I am contemplating using 450 ohm balanced feeders to an antenna.
I remember the book said something about putting a jumper on the back of
the tuner when running balanced feeders but I don't remember where the
jumber goes.  Can someone tell me?

Thanks,

Dave Barrows, Camp Hill, PA  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:03 1995
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From: Lord GAD <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mobil VHF Antennas for Base Station Use?
Date: 25 Aug 1995 01:03:03 GMT
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Here's one:

Keep the antenna away fron your head. The cables on the mobile
antennas are not usually that long. They may also be designed to
use the car as a ground plane. I've found putting the antenna on a
pizza pan helps, but then the wife yells at me for using the pizza
pan. Life is so complicated...

GAD - KB2VMH

--

        His eminence, Lord GAD


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Bromley, W5GYJ)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mobil VHF Antennas for Base Station Use?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 08:00:33 MST
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In article <41i1lu$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

>Just curious. I need to install a tri-bander (144,220,440) on a
>stand-off bracket on my tower (below my HF antenna) ...
>... Anyone see any obvious gotchas with this approach?

Just make sure your stand-off bracket is at least 1/4-wavelength
long at the lowest frequency.  This would be 19 inches in your
case.  And longer is better.  You still may get some impedance
change and pattern distortion at 19 inches.

Jim





From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (SEAN R. STEPANEK)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Moto M216 Vs. MaxTrac.  Differance?
Date: 26 Aug 95 04:24:26 -0500
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Hello,   I have a Motorola M216 VHF 45 watt radio, and a MaxTrac 16 channel,
45 watt radio.  The appear functionally the same, yet they take different
programming software.  Can anybody shed light on the differance?  Or is this
just a marketing ploy from Motorola?

Thanks for any info you can offer.

Sean / N0PBA                            dj1 @ vax1.mankato.msus.edu
                                        n0pba @ n0pba.#scmn.mn.usa.noam




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: N8EMR down???
Date: 24 Aug 1995 11:29:59 -0400
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TSTADER ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Is the N8EMR callsign server down? Getting bounced mail from it recently.

: Terry Stader - KA8SCP
His BBS has been shut down for some time.
Gerry K8EF



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:06 1995
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From: "Al Koblinski  (W7XA)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Need help with audio filters
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For the minimum expense and good results, use an audio filter. You can
build them with op-amps (fixed frequency) pretty easy or the easiest are
the switched capacitor filters.  Linear Technology (Milpitas, CA) just
announced a new 8th order bandpass filter that should work great for
your application.
It is exceptionally quiet and can be used with a small post amplifier
for a "killer" audio filter.
73 Al




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Sergei Kulyov)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need help with Super super Dentron tuner
Date: 27 Aug 1995 13:46:33 -0400
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Hi gang. I have a Super super Dentron antenna tuner with one missed
part inside. There are one air vary capacitor which connects to input,
balun, and couple air core coils.
Does anybody could help with schematic or suggestion about the missed
part?
Thanks,

73! Sergei AA8OT, UA3AP


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Miller)
Subject: Need Suggestion for DJ-580 Antenna
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I recently picked up a DJ-580 Alinco hand held (dual band).
(2m/70cm).
I'm not at all impressed with the short rubber duck that came
with the radio.

Any folks out there have recommendations from personal experience
of other brands, rubber duck or otherwise, that might provide
better service?

bruce miller, [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need Suggestion for DJ-580 Antenna
Date: 25 Aug 1995 18:19:01 GMT
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Bruce Miller ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I recently picked up a DJ-580 Alinco hand held (dual band).
: (2m/70cm).
: I'm not at all impressed with the short rubber duck that came
: with the radio.

: Any folks out there have recommendations from personal experience
: of other brands, rubber duck or otherwise, that might provide
: better service?

: bruce miller, [e-mail]


   I tried the "ANLI" dual-band ducky. It seemed to work fine untill I
dropped the unit about 2 ft on the duck. The center pin of bnc snapped
off and stayed in the HT. This was on a long trip and I couldn't put on
my rool-up J-pole, untill I found some needles to pick it out with.
 This time I'm going with the LARSON. Costs more (25.00) but has good rep.

  John, N0KIC



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Sergei Kulyov)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need: MFJ-8621 schematic
Date: 27 Aug 1995 13:55:14 -0400
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Hi gang. I'm looking for the schematic of the Data radio MFJ-8621.
Will appreciate for any help.

73! Sergei AA8OT, UA3AP


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary P. Fiber)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Pinout Needed: IC-25A
Date: 25 Aug 1995 05:32:22 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (frank mackenzielamb) says:
>
>
>Hello,
>
>I'm looking for the microphone pinout of a ICOM IC-25A mobile 2m rig.
>What I'm trying to do is hook up a Kenwood MC-85 mike (3 mike leads) so I
>don't have a bunch of mikes crowded around on a small desk.
>
>ANY help greatly appreciated!
>
>Mnt tnx 7 73
>
>De Frank NG1I
>Nr Boston
>

Frank,

Pin 1 - Mic audio in, also has about 8 volts D.C. on this pin for mic bias.
Pin 2 - 8 volts D.C. @ 50 mA for powering mic amps.
Pin 3 - frequency Up/ Dn, ground it scans up, ground thru 470 ohm resistor
        it scans down
Pin 4 - No connection
Pin 5 - PTT
Pin 6 - Chassis ground
Pin 7 - Mic audio ground, ok to jumper to Pin 6 too.
Pin 8 - May be No connection or speaker audio. can not remeber.

If radio has RED Led display it requires a preamplified mic, the 25A with
the green Led display was able to use the electret ( spelling ?) mics.

Hope this helps,

73' Gary KF7XV


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:10 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Plectron Paging Tones
Date: 27 Aug 1995 17:58:16 GMT
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Someone e-mail'ed me requesting the exact frequencies of the tone signals
used in a Plectron paging group.

Their return e-mail address was accidently deleated,
but the information is available for anyone interested at...

http://www.winternet.com/~genave/ttplect.html


steve
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Guy Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Q:FDK mic pinout
Date: 18 Aug 1995 07:19:52 GMT
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Hello,

Could anyone on the net tell me what is the mic pinout for
the FDK multi 2000  VHF transceiver?

TNX es 73       Guy

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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (kb8rjy)
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Subject: QSL cards
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own scanned
graphic / or antenna graphic.



Just fill out the following form, and send with total (check or money
order) to:
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QSL cards

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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:13 1995
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end


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:14 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cc.iu.net!news
From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: QST:Any HAMS in FL
Date: 25 Aug 1995 00:57:19 GMT
Organization: Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Lines: 38
Message-ID: <41j75f$[e-mail]>
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Reply-To: [e-mail] (Bill Newkirk)
NNTP-Posting-Host: netport-15.iu.net
X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09

In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Walter Schlifer) writes:
>Greetings to all HAMS!
>Currently, I am looking for any HAMS in Florida. I need some help/info.

i think we're still the 2nd largest state in terms of amateur radio operators...

>Please respond to me, here, if you're a Tech+ or better in licensing. If you
>could also provide either your FIDO address/local BBS phone_number and if
>possible, your InterNet Address, I can explain more of WHY I am searching for

should be in the header but [e-mail]

>HAMS in the Florida State.

(by the way...in most usage "hams" isn't capitalized..it's not like something
like NWS or NHC or NASA might be..)

>In NO_WAY does this concern a business_adventure/concern. There are some
>persons' that I've contacted via InterNet who are in need of ELMERS' or at
>least some help towards a club or group.

so why not sic 'em on the ARRL's (800) - 3 - 2 - New - ham  phone number?
[phone]...

>Being in WISCONSIN, I have no way to help them on an individual_basis, as NEW
>HAMS so often need; I am waiting for your response; and will re_direct YOU to
>them as YOU respond to me!
>
>Thx!  73's   Walter Schlifer, N9NRF      in  La Crosse, WI

class started wednesday -- hoover junior high, indialantic, fl..6:30 PM.
room a-25.  info phone [phone].

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:14 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!emory!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!wa4mei!totrbbs!marvin.haynes
From: [e-mail] (Marvin Haynes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Radio-TV Course Wanted
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 26 Aug 95 17:07:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Top Of The Rock BBS Atl, GA 404-921-8687
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Marvin Haynes)
Lines: 10

I am looking for a fairly recent instruction course from one of the
correspondence schools (NRI, CIE, Etc) that includes all of the training
material.  Must have training lab and prefer one that has color tv
training material.  Will pay reasonable price.  Reply to
[e-mail]

----
Top Of The Rock BBS - Lilburn, GA         SYSOP: Steve Diggs
Phone: [phone]                Snailmail: 4181 Wash Lee Ct.
Lilburn, GA 30247-7440


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:16 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!nntpgate.primenet.com!nntpdist.primenet.com!stat!news
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.info
Subject: RB393 Volunteers-Images & Issues 6/7
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 95 08:36:15 PDT
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Xref: grape.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.misc:85544 rec.radio.info:9099

For:  Emergency Management Agencies via Amateur Radio
Info: Communications Volunteers in Government Service
Info: Amateurs U.S. (@usa:Information), ACS, CAP, MARS, RACES
By:   Auxiliary Communications Service (ACS), the volunteer
      communications reserve of the State of California
      Governor's Office of Emergency Services

Bulletin 393 Release date 8/28/95
MGT - Volunteers-Images & Issues 6/7

Characteristics of today's professional communicators continued:

   - They know you might pay them to do what they do if you could
   (so long as it does not conflict with FCC regulations, etc).
   They might not accept it, but would appreciate the thought and
   the trust.
   - When they do a good job you may pat them on the back, but
   they don't expect to make a big to-do about it. It they
   foul-up they expect you will call them into your office and
   have at them as you would any paid subordinate.
   - Given the right combination of talent, trust and rapport,
   the Radio Officer may become your 'alter-ego' (i.e., second
   self.)

>From these characteristics can you see the benefits they provide?
Once a part of your agency, they amplify you many times over.
They extend your entire staff. They are much more than message
handlers operating a radio. Sure, there may be some need for an
operator to man a communications system component, but that may
be minimal in some agencies; albeit it is a potential that IS
important to consider in emergency planning. The astute manager
realizes that and builds that into the program in such a way that
both sides of the equation are fulfilled.

Don't be afraid of ANY volunteer who threatens to pick up his or
her toys and go play somewhere else. 'Fine, be my guest! Don't
let the door hit you on the backside on your way out!' Let it be
known at the beginning that they are working for you. Not because
they HAVE to, but because they WANT to. With proper recruiting
and stating this up front, let them know "who we are, what we do,
how we do it as a team" and any problems can be greatly reduced
or eliminated.

(This series on volunteers is for the government emergency
services agency manager. Continues, next week)

ACS Addresses:  2800 Meadowview Rd., Sacramento, CA. 95832.
Ph: 916-262-1600. FAX [phone]. Landline BBS: 916-262-1657.
[e-mail] or Internet [e-mail] or [e-mail].
Bulletin delivery problems? Notify W6WWW@KM6PX.#NOCAL.USA.NA
EOM



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:16 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!nnrp.info.ucla.edu!Avian.CAD.UCLA.EDU!andy
From: [e-mail] (Andy Lutomirski)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Repeaters in Hawaii
Date: 25 Aug 1995 13:54:33 GMT
Organization: U.C.L.A. Computer Aided Design Laboratory
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Message-ID: <41kkmp$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: avian.cad.ucla.edu

Does anyone know of any repeaters (2 meter/70 cm) on Maui and/or Kauai?

Also, does anyone know how to get repeater listing on the Internet?

Thanks, Andy <[e-mail]>
Please e-mail...


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:17 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!cphillips
From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Scanner Modifications
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 05:19:10 GMT
Organization: Phillips Technicon
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[e-mail] (Clint Bradford) wrote:
>Subject: Scanner Modifications
>
>>>...instructions on how to modify your scanner...to pick up
>>>cellular phones...
>
>It amazes me how blatantly people advertise the fact that they condone
>the commission of felonies....

  Before being so "amazed", try to get your facts straight:

  For the 10,000th time... is NOT illegal to own a scanner than can
receive ("pick up") cellular frequencies... it is NOT illegal to modify
your scanner so it can receive cellular frequencies.

  It is illegal to actually LISTEN to cellular phone calls, but owning
the equipment is not, but like owning an amplifier that is capable of
5000 watts output is not illegal, but USING it on the ham bands at
5000 watts IS illegal.

  Finally, since April 1994, no new scanners covering the cellular
frequencies will be FCC Type accepted for manufacture or import.  However
existing scanners were NOT affected.

=========Opinions expressed are solely those of the author============
Curt Phillips, KD4YU/AE (ex-WB4LHI)   | "I don't want to achieve
[e-mail]   |immortality through my work.  I
Chairman, Tarheel Scanner/SWL Group   |want to achieve immortality through
ARRL Life; QCWA; Raleigh Am Radio Soc |NOT DYING."   -- Woody Allen



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:18 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.onramp.net!usenet
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Scanner Modifications
Date: 25 Aug 1995 08:16:26 GMT
Organization: On-Ramp; Individual Internet Connections; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA
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>  >It amazes me how blatantly people advertise the fact that they condone
>  >the commission of felonies....
>    For the 10,000th time... is NOT illegal to own a scanner than can
>  receive ("pick up") cellular frequencies... it is NOT illegal to modify
>  your scanner so it can receive cellular frequencies.

You sound like a cheap lawyer...
WHY would a person get the info and go thru the trouble of conversion and then NOT listen?...
BTW, I did convert mine.. Just required the snipping of one resister.. Listening to cell-phones is BORING.
You hear one side of the conversation and then only a portion of that when the person moves to another
cell.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:18 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!nic.wat.hookup.net!fortnum.wat.hookup.net!user
From: [e-mail] (Rich Fortnum)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Scanner Modifications
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 15:03:19 -0400
Organization: F & M Breweries Limited
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NNTP-Posting-Host: fortnum.wat.hookup.net

In article <41khnb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(ROY5715936) wrote:

>Im so glad to hear a person report that CELL CALLS ARE BORING,

To tell you the truth, I don't know what I'm missing.  What is the average
cost of a mod (I have an Icom-R1) and what does it give me?  I've been
listening to cordless phones recently.

Cheers.

--
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Rich Fortnum (aka BeeRich)
F & M Breweries Limited
Guelph, Ontario, CANADA
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:19 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jlowman
From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Scanner Modifications
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
References: <[e-mail]> <41jmt4$[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:05:46 GMT
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Sender: [e-mail]

Curt Phillips ([e-mail]) wrote:

:   It is illegal to actually LISTEN to cellular phone calls, but owning
: the equipment is not, but like owning an amplifier that is capable of
: 5000 watts output is not illegal, but USING it on the ham bands at
: 5000 watts IS illegal.

Good point, but why would there be so much interest in modifying the
equipment to receive these calls, if not to listen?

What amazes me more is the number of people who are interested in listening
in on the phone calls of people they don't even know.  In fact, I could care
less what my friends and neighbors have to say on the phone.

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
[phone] (O)  |   Unix:  "It isn't supposed to be easy...If it
[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:20 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!aimnet.com!news2.aimnet.com!NewsWatcher!user
From: [e-mail] (Andy Brandt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Southern Cal. 2m/440 repeaters
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:30:42 -0700
Organization: NextStep
Lines: 12
Message-ID: <anb-2408951930420001@204.118.173.33>
References: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.118.173.33

I am traveling to the Los Angeles area this weekend, and was wondering if
a few people could suggest some active, open 2m- or 70cm-band repeaters
for the West L.A. area (Westwood/Santa Monica).

By the way, does anybody know Gordon West's callsign & repeater freq.?  I
know he's in Southern California somewhere...

Please e-mail replies to "[e-mail]"

Thanks!

--A


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Max Sabo)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Southern Cal. 2m/440 repeaters
Date: 27 Aug 1995 07:05:18 GMT
Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access [phone]
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Gordon West's callsign is WB6NOA.  Sorry, but I can't help you out on the
repeater freqs.

Max

N7NWG



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:21 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.azstarnet.com!sprite126.azstarnet.com!user
From: [e-mail] (Jim Mandaville)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Spanish QSO instruction
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 15:00:10 +0600
Organization: Arizona Daily Star - AZSTARNET
Lines: 6
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: sprite126.azstarnet.com

Someplace I saw an ad for a short course in ham radio operating in
Spanish.  Now I can't find it.  Can anyone help with a reference?  I am a
novice in Spanish but want to learn enough for some DX operating.
Something with audio cassette examples and drills would be preferred.  73

Jim, KG5KP


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:23 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.delphi.com!usenet
From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: This Week in Amateur Radio #126 (for air through 9/1/95)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 23:48:15 -0500
Organization: Delphi ([e-mail] email, 800-695-4005 voice)
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1g.delphi.com

Here is a summary of news items covered on edition #126 of
"This Week in Amateur Radio", North America's satellite-delivered
audio bulletin service, for the week ending 1-Sep:
-
1.   ARRL Files Reply Comments on FCC Rule Making Initiatives
2.   Sunspot Sighting Could Indicate Early Beginning of Cycle 23
3.   FCC Seeks to Downsize with Office Closings and Layoffs
4.   Results Announced in Recent ARRL Section Manager Elections
5.   Amateur Activity Aboard MIR-19 at a Low Ebb
6.   "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
7.   "Amateur Radio Newsline" - Edition #941 from Los Angeles
8.   Upcoming Special Event Stations with George Bowen, N2LQS
9.   Easter Island Satellite DXpedition Planned for Next Month
10.  ARRL in Possession of Requests for Packet Use at 219 MHz
11.  League Files Comments with FCC on Amateur Use of 40 GHz
12.  Time Change Announced for "This Week in Amateur Radio"
13.  "The RAIN Dial-up" from Chicago
14.  Weekly Propagation Forecast
15.  Expanded Schedule of Special Event Stations
16.  Financial Support for "This Week in Amateur Radio" Dwindles
-
Satellite time and uplink equipment have been provided by SKYVISION
as a service to the amateur radio community.  Funding to access
"Newsline" was provided by a grant from the Stoddard family and
users of the KF9MP repeater system in North Webster, Indiana.
-
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is a weekly amateur radio news and
information service, in audio newsmagazine format, which is produced
by Community Video Associates, Inc., a New York State not-for-profit
corporation based in Albany, New York.  The program is carried on
the "Tech Talk Network" each Saturday at 7:30 PM (EDT) on the
Telstar 302 commercial communications satellite, transponder 21
(11V), 5.8 MHz wideband audio (4.120 GHz), located at 85 degrees
west longitude in geosynchronous orbit, and can be heard on various
VHF/UHF repeaters throughout the United States and Canada, as well
as on 160 meters at 1860 kHz.  Contact your local amateur radio club
or repeater operator if "This Week in Amateur Radio" is not being
heard in your area.
-
Production and transmission expenses are underwritten by
contributions from repeater system operators, amateur radio clubs,
and individuals.  For further information, contact George Bowen,
N2LQS, at 518/283-3665, or Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB, at
518/664-6809.  You may also reach them via amateur packet @
WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA or on the Internet to [e-mail]
or [e-mail].


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:24 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: This week in Amateur Radio should report about...
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:44:02 GMT
Lines: 18

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>What does typewriter maker problems and world-wide cpu shipments have to
>do with Amateur radio?

In case you haven't noticed, amateur radio has belatedly moved into the
computer age. Not only do most of our radios now have cpus embedded in
their control systems (often more than one), but also cpus today often
participate actively in the modulation and demodulation of our signals.
And amateur builders and designers have replaced the slide rule with a
computer for the most part today as well. So cpus and computers are now
an integral and important part of amateur radio.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:24 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: This week in Amateur Radio should report about...
Date: 26 Aug 1995 12:23:16 GMT
Organization: Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
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In <[e-mail]>, Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]> writes:
>worried that someone with an "ibm.com" address has yet to figure it out!!  Of
>73 de Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB

probably more like he's a user of their internet access company's product.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:25 1995
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: This week in Amateur Radio should report about...
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 23:55:25 -0500
Organization: Delphi ([e-mail] email, 800-695-4005 voice)
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Thanks for the intelligent response to a rather stupid question!
-
It is technology, and it moves forward at a dizzying speed.  What has me
worried that someone with an "ibm.com" address has yet to figure it out!!  Of
course,
no call sign was given by the original author, so such comments from the
unlicensed are best ignored!!
-
One other thing, no one is offering to take over as our "News Director"...
-
73 de Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB
Executive Producer/Host - "This Week in Amateur Radio"
Stillwater, NY


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:26 1995
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From: JJSweeney <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Unblocking a Kenwood
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 17:00:05 -0400
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse NY, USA
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On 14 Aug 1995, hpeeters wrote:

> Date: 14 AUG 1995 13:01:08 GMT
> From: hpeeters <[e-mail]>
> Newgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
> Subject: Unblocking a Kenwood
>
> Hi,
> does anyone know how to unblock a hand held Kenwood radio? Mine 's got
> the 144-146 Mhz freq range limit, I'd like to extend this to 120 - 160.
> Please reply to [e-mail]
>
> tnx.
>
it is illegal to modify your rig for transmission out of the ham bands.
If you are amember of MARS or CAP you may modify it for that purpose . If
you are, you shouldn't have to post your question here
>


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:27 1995
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From: JJSweeney <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Unblocking a Kenwood
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 17:07:54 -0400
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse NY, USA
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 On Sat, 26 Aug 1995, JJSweeney wrote:

> Date: Sat, 26 AUG 1995 17:00:05 -0400
> From: JJSweeney <[e-mail]>
> Newgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
> Subject: Re: Unblocking a Kenwood
>
> On 14 Aug 1995, hpeeters wrote:
>
> > Date: 14 AUG 1995 13:01:08 GMT
> > From: hpeeters <[e-mail]>
> > Newgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
> > Subject: Unblocking a Kenwood
> >
> > Hi,
> > does anyone know how to unblock a hand held Kenwood radio? Mine 's got
> > the 144-146 Mhz freq range limit, I'd like to extend this to 120 - 160.
> > Please reply to [e-mail]
> >
> > tnx.
> >
> it is illegal to modify your rig for transmission out of the ham bands.
> If you are amember of MARS or CAP you may modify it for that purpose . If
> you are, you shouldn't have to post your question here
> >
>Whoops -- Sorry wasn't paying attention to suorce of original -- my
comments above apply only to U S ops However most kenwood 144s will only
open fro  144 to 160 >


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:28 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: W & W Associates / DJ-F1T Battery Problems
Date: 26 Aug 1995 12:27:21 GMT
Organization: Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ronald D. Rossi) writes:
>when I pulled the radio off my belt the battery came loose from the
>radio and was only attached at the bottom latch (This is a back,
>not bottom, mounted battery).  Upon closely comparing the battery
>to the original, I noted that the catch protruded too far from the
>case.  This let the top of the battery become disengaged from the
>radio.
>
>I sent the battery back to W & W Associates with a detailed
>description of the problem as I saw it along with diagrams.  I
>received a new (actually refurbished) battery from them promptly
>WITH EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM.  I just got of the phone with one of

this is a problem with cloners -- they don't have precise design data to work with
nor a chance to get that information before they need to have product out so
they have to measure some samples and go from there. if they got a set of
radios that are "off" in a direction, their products will be "off" in the same
direction or probably worse.

same sort of thing can happen to OEM's as well..just that they should have
more control over their vendors and processes than someone trying to
duplicate a work by measuring a few samples.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Andy Birkhead)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: W2DU Balun?
Date: 26 Aug 1995 10:27:12 GMT
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Where can I get a W2DU balun?  I have heard that they are very good!
I need one for my autumn antenna project.

Andy


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BUDDY10)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: What good is the 6 meter band ?
Date: 25 Aug 1995 22:25:36 -0400
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I will be getting a kenwood ts-450s/at.   I just saw that they have a
version out with 6m capabilities.   What good is 6m ?   Is it just another
2m band, basically ?  What is the UNIQUENESS of this band ? Is there some
COMPELLING reason to spend the extra $200.00 or so ?   I REALLY
appreciate any help on this !

P.S  Just joking about the tone at the beginning !


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What good is the 6 meter band ?
Date: 26 Aug 1995 14:20:07 GMT
Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG
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>What good is 6m ?   Is it just another
>2m band, basically ?  What is the UNIQUENESS of this band?

Well it is the most unique band of the entire spectrum :-)

Propagation lies between HF and VHF, however whereas 10 meters
often stays quiet during summer short skip, there is a lot of activity
on "the magic band" in many places. During the sun spot maximum,
when 10 m openings are something normal, they are stil something special on 6.

And there are no multiple hop Es transatlantic openings (as yet) on two.

It does hibernate though.

73, Moritz DL5UH


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:31 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: What good is the 6 meter band ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <41m0n0$[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 13:41:24 GMT
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In article <41m0n0$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (BUDDY10) writes:
>I will be getting a kenwood ts-450s/at.   I just saw that they have a
>version out with 6m capabilities.   What good is 6m ?   Is it just another
>2m band, basically ?  What is the UNIQUENESS of this band ? Is there some
>COMPELLING reason to spend the extra $200.00 or so ?   I REALLY
>appreciate any help on this !

6 meters is a unique band in that it blends the skywave propagation of
10 meters with the line of sight propagation of 2 meters in a  somewhat
unpredictable way. It's an exciting band mainly because you never know
what you're going to be able to work from hour to hour. For the code
test free Tech, it's the only band that offers frequent skywave propagation.
And, it's the nearly ideal band to do meteor burst communications because
the frequency is a good fit with the meteor trail ionization levels.

Gary

--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner WA3JPG)
Subject: Re: What good is the 6 meter band ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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References: <41m0n0$[e-mail]>
Date: 27 Aug 95 01:17:56 GMT

In rec.radio.amateur.misc you write:

>I will be getting a kenwood ts-450s/at.   I just saw that they have a
>version out with 6m capabilities.   What good is 6m ?   Is it just another
>2m band, basically ?  What is the UNIQUENESS of this band ? Is there some
>COMPELLING reason to spend the extra $200.00 or so ?   I REALLY
>appreciate any help on this !

Howdy again!

Well, 6 meters is a very interesting band.  Some have a taste for it,
others do not.  For the beginner, I would not really recommend it,
unless you think your investment is long term, then you might regret
not having 6 meters some day.

I have a friend who almost has DXCC on 6 meters, that is 100 countries.
It opens up almost like 10 meters some days, and a simple vertical
antenna will work pretty well, though the beams are small and easy
to rotate, so they are preferred.  As sunspots go up....as they are now,
the band will open up more and more.

NOw, 6 can also be good locally, and for mobiling.  It propogates pretty
well locally, and has repeaters as well as CW and SSB (and even some
AM here in Southern California).  This depends on your QTH, if you are
near a large city, you probably have a good local 6 meter group - or
you can find out about them at the local ham club.

It is really a good band.  If it is not a hardship, I would get 6 meters
on the rig.  If it is hard to spend the extra $$, you might wait.

Good luck.

Clark
WA3JPG


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:32 1995
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From: Hans Brakob <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What is the ARRL's position on getting rid of CW ?
Date: 27 Aug 1995 04:19:32 GMT
Organization: MicroBurst
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References: <[e-mail]>

>And, politicians that they are, they
>WON'T take a position until they're
>forced to do so.

ARRL has publicly staed the position that
the current Morse requirements should be
continued for stations licensed to operate
in the HF bands.

The IARU has stated a similar position.

--
73, de Hans, K0HB
- - -
REALITY.SYS corrupted: Reboot universe? (Y/N/Q)
- - -


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:33 1995
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From: Herschel Nieman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Where can I get the current issued callsigns
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:37:10 -0700
Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access
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Try http://www.southeast.edu

Have a good day,
Hersh Nieman W7LIM
P.O. Box 2
Angwin, CA 94508
[e-mail]
707-965-3919

"I Love New Mexico" hln

On 24 Aug 1995, Takao KUMAGAI wrote:

>
> Is the current issued FCC amateur radio callsigns list by
> district available on W3?
> If anyone know the URL, it will be appreciated.
>
> I checked the www.fcc.gov, but could not find.
> I could get it through W5YI-REPORT.
>       ---------
>       Tack Kumagai JE1CKA/KH0AM
>       TEL:[phone], FAX:[phone]
>       Internet: [e-mail]
>
>


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Where find 19" shelfs?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:28:49 GMT
Lines: 23

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>> >I need a few 19" shelfs for my repeater cabinet. I went to a large
>> >HAM fest this last weekend but there were none there. Any retail outlet
>> >sell them? Thanks for the time. Chris N8UDK
>>
>> Newark stocks them. Any distributor who carries racks will have the
>> shelves, and most large distributors do carry racks by Bud or one of
>> the other rackmakers.
>
>Do you have a phone number handy for Newark? Thanks, Chris

My Newark catalog seems to have sprouted legs, however, RS Electronics
carries Bud racks and shelves. Their Grand Rapids number is 800-776-1155.

Gary

--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:35 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: Chris Oesterling <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Where find 19" shelfs?
References: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail]
Organization: Mystery Spot BBS, Royal Oak, MI   [phone]
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 17:52:11 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:

> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> >I need a few 19" shelfs for my repeater cabinet. I went to a large
> >HAM fest this last weekend but there were none there. Any retail outlet
> >sell them? Thanks for the time. Chris N8UDK
>
> Newark stocks them. Any distributor who carries racks will have the
> shelves, and most large distributors do carry racks by Bud or one of
> the other rackmakers.
>
> Gary

Do you have a phone number handy for Newark? Thanks, Chris

--
Chris Oesterling ([e-mail])
Mystery Spot BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------?--



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:35 1995
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From: Herschel Nieman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Where to find "Now You're Talking"
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:41:05 -0700
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It is sold by any Radio Shack store.

Have a good day,
Hersh Nieman W7LIM
P.O. Box 2
Angwin, CA 94508
[e-mail]
707-965-3919

"I Love New Mexico" hln

On 24 Aug 1995, Cathy Mancus wrote:

>
>       Where can I find a copy of "Now You're Talking"
> in the Raleigh-Durham, NC area?
>
> /-------------------------------------------------------------------\
> |  Catherine Mancus               <[e-mail]>          |
> |  PP-SEL, N5WVR                  "God is a sponge."                |
> \-------------------------------------------------------------------/
>
>


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:36 1995
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From: Ed@Ed
Subject: Re: Where to find "Now You're Talking"
Sender: [e-mail] (News Admin ID)
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Cathy. Try your local Radio Shack



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:37 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Where to find "Now You're Talking"
Date: 26 Aug 1995 12:30:42 GMT
Organization: Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
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In <41io1g$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dan Brown) writes:
>       Any Radio Shack should have it, though the seem to sell quickly.
>Radio Shack's price is also a little cheaper than ARRL's.  It's the
>same book, but with a slightly different cover.

Radio Shack appears to no longer compete on price for this publication.

pity.

of course, i should introduce those who balk at buying a text book to bowling.
$80-$100 for shoes, $100-$250 for a reactive resin ball (many have more
than one) and about $8 for three games and many bowl several times a week.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Wesley E. Dickinson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WHEREIS ex-W9WWP -- Carol Anne Keating?
Date: 25 Aug 1995 19:29:13 GMT
Organization: (Retired Engineer)
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    I hope to locate a woman ham, at one time: W9WWP.
    I am almost 78 now.  When I was 19 as W9PTU I contacted W9WWP
in Chicago several times.  Her name then was Carol Anne Keating.
I worked the summer of 1937 in Chicago and took Carol to movies
a couple of times.  That was my last contact with her.
   Later I read in QST that she was active with women hams and was
then located in San Diego and had a W6 call sign, but I don't know
what it was.  I suspect she lives in San Diego.
   With this meager information is there anyone who can help me?
If so please e-mail me at: [e-mail]
   Wes Dickinson, San Jose,CA





From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:38 1995
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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: WHEREIS ex-W9WWP -- Carol Anne Keating?
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 95 03:23:33 GMT
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In article <41l8a9$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Wesley E. Dickinson" writes:

>     I hope to locate a woman ham, at one time: W9WWP.
>     I am almost 78 now.  When I was 19 as W9PTU I contacted W9WWP
> in Chicago several times.  Her name then was Carol Anne Keating.

There is a licensed Carol A Keating, but she wasn't talking to anyone
59 years ago.  Perhaps she is related or maybe I misunderstood your dates.

  KC6MMR                                       LICENSE CLASS:   N
  CAROL A KEATING                              BIRTHDAY:        05/20/46
  15633 GOLDEN STAR AVE                        LICENSE EXPIRES: 07/18/00
  RIVERSIDE CA 92506

>    With this meager information is there anyone who can help me?
> If so please e-mail me at: [e-mail]

Done.

--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Luis Ferreras)
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Subject: Who sells TEKK KS-900?
Date: 27 Aug 1995 15:47:09 +0200
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Hello.

I am interested in buying a TEKK KS-900 70 cm data radio. I have write directly
to TEKK, but I have no answer. Anaybody knows if this radio could be found in
a ham radio shop. If possible, tell me the snail address of the shop. I don't
speak english fluently.

Thanks a lot.
73's. Luis (eb1evb).



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:41 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio) wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Jarrett)
>writes: > IMO, a scanner would be the worst device possible to use on an
>airplane.
>> Since it has a Local Oscillator that may move over a large frequency
>> range, the chances are high that one or more of the frequencies it stops
>> on may cause interference to one or more of the aircraft's systems.
>>
>> Let us know what flights you intend to take so the rest of us can avoid
>> them <grin>.
>
>It always amazes me that they can't build an aircraft radio that's immune to
>RFI.

I have never seen a receiver that is *immune* from RFI.  In fact, most
are capable of generating RFI.  How exactly do you get rid of an
interfering signal that is on your desired frequency?

Most aircraft radios are built and perform a hell of a lot better than
just about any piece of consumer quality ham or scanner gear.  And that's
really the point - Aircraft radios work very well and are regularly
maintained (for commercial ops).  But unless you bring along a service
monitor, you wouldn't know if your personal electronic device was safe to
use.  (Then you have to trust your service monitor not to cause
problems.)

An example - just two months ago we noticed an interference problem on
one of our UHF frequencies at our facility.  Very localized.  Turned out
to be the receptionist's AM/FM clock radio had an LO that was sending out
pretty strong harmomics.  It was malfunctioning, and she had no idea.
Distance between her and the receivers with the problem: about the same
distance as you might be from the flight deck when riding in an airliner
- in fact you could be sitting within just few feet of the plane's radios
or antennas.

Also keep in mind that airliners are using more than just the 108-136 MHz
freqs we see listed on some scanners.  Right of the top of my head, I can
think of the following:

ADF uses MF.
Marker beacons use 75 MHz
VHF Nav 108 to 118  (VORs and localizers)
VHF Com 118 to 136
Glidslopes (for precision appraoches) are around 300 to 350 MHz.
DMEs are 900 to 1100 MHz.
Transponders use 1030 - 1060 MHz
Oh yeah - those airphones - some are on the 450 band, some are 800.

Think about it.  A lot places where you could see problems.

--
Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joel B Levin)
Subject: Re: Will Airport Security all
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In <[e-mail]>,
   Tony Pelliccio <[e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio)> wrote:
|It always amazes me that they can't build an aircraft radio that's immune to
|RFI.

Seems like it's pretty hard to build a radio that's proof against a
spurious product put out by some cheap consumer electronics if the
product is on the direct input frequency of the radio.

        /J

--
Nets: [e-mail]  |  I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences
  or [e-mail]|  attending too much liberty than those attending
pots: [phone]  |  too small a degree of it.  -- Thomas Jefferson
ARS:  KD1ON          |








From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Boyer)
Subject: Re: Will Airport Security all
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Tony Pelliccio ([e-mail]) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Jarrett)
> writes: > IMO, a scanner would be the worst device possible to use on an
> airplane.
>> Since it has a Local Oscillator that may move over a large frequency
>> range, the chances are high that one or more of the frequencies it stops
>> on may cause interference to one or more of the aircraft's systems.
>>
>> Let us know what flights you intend to take so the rest of us can avoid
>> them <grin>.
>
> It always amazes me that they can't build an aircraft radio that's immune to
> RFI.
>
> Tony
>
> --
> == Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR
> == [e-mail]
> == Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a nation.

The other thing to keep in mind is that a lot of the newer planes use fly
by wire - electronic signals sent to the mechanical moving parts to
control the aircraft.  The wire bundles run throughout the plane either
overhead or along the outside walls, even down the middle of the floor.
Most of these wires are not shielded so disrupting small digital or analog
signals don't require a whole lot of RF.

One more comforting thought is that the lowest bidder got the contract to
build most of the parts.

73
Mark
VE3MJB



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:44 1995
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Jarrett)
>writes: > IMO, a scanner would be the worst device possible to use on an
>airplane.
>> Since it has a Local Oscillator that may move over a large frequency
>> range, the chances are high that one or more of the frequencies it stops
>> on may cause interference to one or more of the aircraft's systems.
>>
>> Let us know what flights you intend to take so the rest of us can avoid
>> them <grin>.
>
>It always amazes me that they can't build an aircraft radio that's immune to
>RFI.
>
>Tony
>
>--
>== Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR
>== [e-mail]
>== Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a nation.

The problem isn't RFI as such.  The problem is that a lot of cheap
radio receivers are not well shielded.  Thus, their local oscillators
radiate.  It's impossible to build a receiver that will hear a
transmitter that's transmitting a few watts several hundred miles
away when some fool is transmitting a few milliwatts 10 feet away
from the receiver's antenna.

If all of the radio reception equipment was made such that the local
oscillators didn't radiate, then there would be no problem.  However,
this requires some shielding and some thought, both of which increase
the cost of the product.  In today's environment, users tend to go
after the cheaper product, regardless of the technical merit (and most
user's probably don't care anyway, at least, until that 747 comes
crashing through their roof).

Dave

P.S. I'm told that there were similar restrictions during World War II
concerning operating radio receiving equipment on ships.  It seems that
submarines would use radio detection gear to detect the local oscillator
leakage in order to find and torpedo the ship.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Will Airport Security all
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio) writes:
>
>It always amazes me that they can't build an aircraft radio that's immune to
>RFI.

The problem is devices that output spurs directly on aircraft frequencies.
No radio is immune to emissions on its input frequency.

Gary

--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:46 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Will Airport Security all
Date: 26 Aug 1995 12:45:08 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio) writes:
>I suppose you might have a point there. But wouldn't folks engineer systems
>that aren't that susceptible to interference?
>== Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR
>== [e-mail]
>== Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a nation.

sure -- with respect with other stuff that's going to be on the aircraft.
3 vhf coms, 2 vhf navs/localizer receivers, 2 dme, 2 transponders, 2 adf,
2 GPS, 2 marker beacon receivers, 2 glideslope receivers, 2 HF radios...and
i might be forgetting something.

add to that autopilots that run off that data and have servo loops out to the
servo systems that actually move the control surfaces..and i'm only covering
the avionics here...there's more than that running the plane. electronic flight
displays, air data computers, flight management computers, pa systems,
cabin pressure controls, engine controls...all are computer operated in the modern
aircraft...and there's lots of wire between them and there's data busses hooking
it all together.

things like an IAPS rack concentrates a lot of stuff in one place, but that also
ties you to a vendor...some folks want to be able to mix and match between
Collins, Sperry and Bendix on demand and that means lots of separate boxes
spread all over the plane.

got some where they com and nav radios are in places like the wheel wells
because that's the only place where there was room left.

if you get a chance, you should swing by the airport and see if it's possible
to be given a look at what a wiring harness looks like in the modern plane.
even the small planes get data busses these days and there's still plenty
of wire to fill every nook and cranny...

and you want us to make 'em so they will also work with any random
equipment that comes along?  the big problem today is making all that
resistant to broadcast stations in the 100kW and up range...and apparently
some idiots around the world have decided it's a good idea to put high
power broadcast stations at airports....so you have things like a 107.9 MHz
megawatt transmitter at an airport that has an ILS in the low 108's...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Will Airport Security all
Date: 26 Aug 1995 05:51:43 GMT
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> Oh yeah - those airphones - some are on the 450 band, some are 800.
>
> Think about it.  A lot places where you could see problems.
>
> --
> Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA

I suppose you might have a point there. But wouldn't folks engineer systems
that aren't that susceptible to interference?

Tony

--
== Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR
== [e-mail]
== Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a nation.


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey A. Harvey)
Subject: Re: Will Airport Security all
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Tony Pelliccio ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I suppose you might have a point there. But wouldn't folks engineer systems
: that aren't that susceptible to interference?

"Waddaya mean I can't use my 160m California-kilowatt inside this plane?
 Geesh! I've already got the long wire strung up-n-down the aisle.  Gosh
 darn it, I got skeds to keep!  Can't the stupid engineers design these
 planes properly?"

-Jeffy VE1BLL  :^) !


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich M1110)
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Subject: Windows 95 - You need a license...
Date: 25 Aug 1995 15:54:25 -0400
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What a great deal of fun we (I) had loading the Windows 95 Program.  The
recommendations on the side of the box stated the requirement  for
hard-drive space ran between 35-40 megabytes, depending on applications
installed.  What the box did not tell, was that the program, was going to
create a backup file of the old Windows and DOS back to the hard-drive
only.  In my application, this meant that another 14 megabytes, give or
take a byte, was going on the hard-drive as backup.  Up to 55 megabytes
would be required to install the new program..  Drive C:\ on my old, 386
max's out a around 101 megs.  My system has an addition 285 megs on a
secondary drive D:\.  I was fortunate to be able to move programs to the
secondary drive and reallocate the Window Group/Icon properties before
attempting an installation of the new 95 program files.  The New 95
interface will allow you to create (short-cuts) to program files.  This
process allows the user to add an Icon to the Desktop making accesses
easier and faster to the launch.  You could launch a .txt file, .doc, .xls
and etc from the 3.xx Windows File Manager, by creating an association
from the file drop-down list.  I had a problem creating an association to
the a New Icon moved to the Deck Top for 95.  This short-cut would launch,
MsMoney v3.0.  I'm also lost on how to change Icon and Text Names
connected to Icons on the Desk Top.   The new version of MsMoney,
downloaded free from Microsoft's Web Page, was less than desirable.  " If
it's to good to be true -- It probably is". This program was free for the
taking, since it's not worth the powder to burn.  It was able to open the
working file from it's earlier version, with some difficulty.  Difficulty
that corrupted the original file. Don't ask me how that happened.  It took
some effort to recover the old file.  The dealer I purchased the new
Windows 95 from mentioned that the Anti Virus program (vsafe), was
eliminated from the new operating system.  Surfing the net, meant I needed
new software to protect my system from attack.  I purchased Norton
AntiVirus for Window 95 for the sum of $100, to find that vsafe was still
active in the new 95.  There is no mention of vsafe or memmaker in any of
the accompanying manuals.  These files can be found using the search
(find) feature on the Start Button of Task Bar.  Over all the setup
difficulties for the New Windows 95 Operating System,  I think it will be
a winner.  Control over the program will require thicker manuals and a
little study.

Perhaps this is not a real Amateur Radio issue.  Yet, there are going  to
be a lot of people showing increased bandwidth between the ears, creating
a great deal of harmonics.

Regards
Good Luck on your upgrades:)
KC7MTJ



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:49 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: Windows 95 - You need a license...
Date: 26 Aug 1995 12:58:55 GMT
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In <41l9ph$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Rich M1110) writes:
>What a great deal of fun we (I) had loading the Windows 95 Program.  The
>recommendations on the side of the box stated the requirement  for
>hard-drive space ran between 35-40 megabytes, depending on applications
>installed.  What the box did not tell, was that the program, was going to
>create a backup file of the old Windows and DOS back to the hard-drive
>only.

good point -- i'll have to pass this on to others so they are aware of this.
i can imagine someone being hot to trot and being out of disk space real fast.

>The New 95
>interface will allow you to create (short-cuts) to program files.  This
>process allows the user to add an Icon to the Desktop making accesses
>easier and faster to the launch.

ok, everyone talks about this. what is the difference between that and just
making a new program item in the program manager for your application.

in OS/2 things work like this by default (if you've associated the right
application with the right extension...8) )  mac is similar.  the windows
file manager also knows about association so you could start a program
needed to use a data file by associating the extension to the program and then
you could start the program..

>Over all the setup
>difficulties for the New Windows 95 Operating System,  I think it will be
>a winner.  Control over the program will require thicker manuals and a
>little study.

can't be any setup difficulties. it's a microsoft program so by definition and
all the pundits writing it has a perfect setup program....8)

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
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Subject: Re: Windows 95 - You need a license...
Date: 26 Aug 1995 14:09:55 GMT
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In article <41l9ph$[e-mail]>,
Rich M1110 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Perhaps this is not a real Amateur Radio issue.

Here, the only relevant statment of your posting. Leave to one of
the alt.windows.problems news groups.

73, Moritz DL5UH




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joseph Moschella)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 95 - You need a license...
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        Hmmm...I wonder where all these wonderful new ideas in Windows 95
came from...oh, wait, I know! The Macintosh OS has been using them for the
last ten years. Its nice the PC world finally caught up. :-)

Joe, N9YJZ











From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 95 - You need a license...
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 95 22:24:18 GMT
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[e-mail] (Joseph Moschella) wrote:
>       Hmmm...I wonder where all these wonderful new ideas in Windows 95
>came from...oh, wait, I know! The Macintosh OS has been using them for the
>last ten years. Its nice the PC world finally caught up. :-)

   Gee, and the Macintosh stole them from the XEROX Palo Alto Research
Center.  But people who know how to READ, don't need EITHER of them.

   We'd all be better off with a REAL operating system like UNIX.

========== Opinions expressed are solely those of the author ==============
Curt Phillips, CEM KD4YU/AE (ex-WB4LHI| The widespread use of GUIs like
Engr Proj Mgr, Industrial & Research  | Windows and Mac are another prime
North Carolina Division of Energy     | example of the "dumbing down" of
ARRL Life; QCWA; Raleigh Am Radio Soc | the American people.
[e-mail] = [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joseph Moschella)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 95 - You need a license...
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        How true Curt, how true. The "Desktop" idea did belong to Xerox,
and you could bet that if I had an OS that was entirely UNIX based, I would
make that computer my primary one.

Joe, N9YJZ


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert C. Martin)
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Subject: Re: Windows 95 - You need a license...
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[e-mail] (Rich M1110) wrote:

<snip>
>process allows the user to add an Icon to the Desktop making accesses
>easier and faster to the launch.  You could launch a .txt file, .doc, .xls
>and etc from the 3.xx Windows File Manager, by creating an association
>from the file drop-down list.  I had a problem creating an association to
>the a New Icon moved to the Deck Top for 95.  This short-cut would launch,
>MsMoney v3.0.  I'm also lost on how to change Icon and Text Names
>connected to Icons on the Desk Top.

It's easy to change the text name of the icon on the desktop.  Simply
double click on the text and you can edit it right on the desktop!
Pretty slick.  However, I am still trying to figure out how to change
the icon of an item on the desktop.  Anybody know?







From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:53 1995
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From: Lord GAD <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 95 - You need a license...
Date: 27 Aug 1995 03:54:18 GMT
Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736)
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References: <41nk3l$[e-mail]>

To change an icon on the desktop.

Click on the icon with the right mouse button.
Choose Properties on the menu that pops up
Choose Shortcut on next screen
Choose change icon on the bottom of the window.
        You take it from there.

--

        His eminence, Lord GAD


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:54 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 95 - You need a license...
Date: 27 Aug 1995 14:14:12 GMT
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[e-mail] (Rich M1110) wrote:
>>Perhaps this is not a real Amateur Radio issue.  Yet, there are going  to
>be a lot of people showing increased bandwidth between the ears, creating
>a great deal of harmonics.
>
>Regards
>Good Luck on your upgrades:)
>KC7MTJ

This was not an amateur radio issue.
That is what made it interesting.
Thanks for your post.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                               [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:55 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 95 - You need a license...
Date: 27 Aug 1995 14:16:58 GMT
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[e-mail] () wrote:
>In article <41l9ph$[e-mail]>,
>Rich M1110 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Perhaps this is not a real Amateur Radio issue.
>
>Here, the only relevant statment of your posting. Leave to one of
>the alt.windows.problems news groups.
>
>73, Moritz DL5UH

Hey in Germany do you know what "f off"  means?
By the way I do not answer German CQs. I did not forget.

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                               [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:55 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 95 - You need a license...
Date: 27 Aug 1995 14:24:23 GMT
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[e-mail] (Joseph Moschella) wrote:
>       Hmmm...I wonder where all these wonderful new ideas in Windows 95
>came from...oh, wait, I know! The Macintosh OS has been using them for the
>last ten years. Its nice the PC world finally caught up. :-)
>
>Joe, N9YJZ

Macs suck.
With 5% of the market, knock it off.

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                               [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert C. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 95 - You need a license...
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 16:59:04 GMT
Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access [phone]
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Lord GAD <[e-mail]> wrote:

>To change an icon on the desktop.

>Click on the icon with the right mouse button.
>Choose Properties on the menu that pops up
>Choose Shortcut on next screen
>Choose change icon on the bottom of the window.
>       You take it from there.

But I wanted to change the icon of a folder.  I have already tried
what you describe, but it won't work for a folder, only a file
shortcut or other desktop item.

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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clarke Gholson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Yaesu/Vertex Questions
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 08:57:54 GMT
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Has anyone had any experience with the Yeasu/Vertex line of radios? I
am particularly interested in the FTL-2011-99.


73, Clarke

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 17:37:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Jonz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Zip codes
Date: 25 Aug 1995 07:25:23 GMT
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James Muller ([e-mail]) writes:

        > Does anyone know where I can find a ASCII or .DBF file
        > containing all US zipcodes, city name, county, and state?

Have a look at "http://tiger.census.gov/places.html".


Todd, KB6JXT



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:11 1995
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From: william@cortex (William Biggs)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: "RE: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONE" RICK EDWARDS
Date: 30 Aug 1995 01:09:54 GMT
Organization: Texas Tech University HSC Amarillo
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Curtis Wheeler ([e-mail]) wrote:


: You forgot the Secret Service.  They are the agency that goes after
: cloned phones (under 18 USC 1029).  And if the carrier has not sent
: anyone out after you it's probably because they don't know what you're up
: to.  If/when/whatever they find out, the easiest thing for them to do is
: just shut off your service and wait for you to come to them.


: --
: Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA

Curt, give up.  That reference is to fraud where you use somebody else's
account.

Not your own.

--
William C. Biggs , MD
KC5JIF                            Howdy from the High Plains of Texas
1900 South Coulter Drive
Amarillo, TX 79106



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:12 1995
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From: william@cortex (William Biggs)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: "RE: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONE" RICK EDWARDS
Date: 30 Aug 1995 01:32:32 GMT
Organization: Texas Tech University HSC Amarillo
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BTW, I downloaded 18 USC 1029 off the net. (Easiest way is by WWW -
Search on Yahoo with keys Law and USC)

Chap 18 Sec 1029 deals with fraudulent access devices with "intend to
defraud". Each paragraph includes the "intent to defraud" clause.

I would be hard to defraud myself, but perhaps I've already done it.

This section really didn't apply to cellular phone though Curt.

Note paragraph (e)  " The term access device means any plate, card, code,
account number, or other means of account access that can be used, alone
or in conjunction with another access device, to obtain money, goods,
services, or any other thing of value. "

"The term unauthorized access device means any access device that is
lost, stolen, expired, revoked, canceled, or obtained with intent to
defraud."

It'd be hard to steal from myself.

So, If we apply Curt's logic, if I access my Internet account from any
computer other than my primary one, (say I have one at the office) and I
clone my own password, then I get the Secret Service called out.

Seems that 18 USC 1029 really is a pretty broad statute Curt, and applies
to all types of piracy....credit cards, phone access codes, computer
passwords, and I would expect cellular ESN's.  But an essential element
here is that most courts would have a hard time convicting you of
defrauding yourself.

--
William C. Biggs , MD
KC5JIF                            Howdy from the High Plains of Texas
1900 South Coulter Drive
Amarillo, TX 79106


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:13 1995
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From: MRITUNJAY BANSAL <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.russian,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.ham-radio,ott.jobs,ott.forsale.other,ott.forsale.computing,ont.jobs,newbridge.rec,newbridge.notice,newbridge.forsale,misc.invest.technical,misc.invest.stocks,misc.invest.canada,bc.jobs,alt.current-events.russia,ab.jobs
Subject: Re: $1,800 WEEKLY! MAILING OUR CIRCULARS
Date: 28 Aug 1995 21:23:45 GMT
Organization: General Mills, Inc.
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This is just the kind of disgusting commercial crap that we can do
without. In a high-tech world it seems, the anarchists could get away
with it!!!!!

Oh well, anxiety and pleasure I guess do go together.

Mritunjay



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Duane P Mantick)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10 Meter www site ????
Date: 30 Aug 1995 16:57:34 GMT
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[e-mail] (jim metcalf) writes:

>Anyone know of a 10 Meter www site or newsgroup ?
>Thanks and Aloha  Jim WH6JP

Those of us who are members of 10-10 Int. now have a mailing list
for 10 meter interests.

If you wish to subscribe to it, email:

[e-mail]

and use as the body of the message:

SUBSCRIBE TENTEN-L <name> <callsign>

e.g.

SUBSCRIBE TENTEN-L John Doe K5FJZ

No subject line is needed.  It will probably be best if you DO NOT
attempt to include any other info in this bit of email.

===========

The stated purpose of the list:

"The 10-10 mailing list is open for discussion of subjects relating to
10-10 International and 10-meter amateur radio operation......<snip>....
does not limit the topics for discussion and questions, so long as
10 meters, 10-10, and amateur radio are the focus."

You don't have to be a member of 10-10 to participate in the list,
although some of us who 8are* might try and recruit you.  :-)

Duane
wb9omc



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 160m AM question
Date: 29 Aug 1995 16:21:03 GMT
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I've heard am operators in the 160m band, but forgot where
they stay at the most. Is there an am calling frequency?
Where you they operate am at on 160m. Thanks...

David - KB4LCI
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Hanavin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 160m AM question
Date: 29 Aug 1995 18:02:32 GMT
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In article <41vepf$[e-mail]>,
David Gordon <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I've heard am operators in the 160m band, but forgot where
>they stay at the most. Is there an am calling frequency?
>Where you they operate am at on 160m. Thanks...
>
>David - KB4LCI
>[e-mail]

I think 1885 khz is the main frequency for AM operation on the
160 band, however, AM can be also found just about every where
from 1850 khz and up. There's a group (gray hair net ) meets
every night on 1945 khz, mostly 1 landers. Also notice a fair
amount of activity on the high end last winter around 1990 khz.


Chuck (WB3FJJ)



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 4X6TT DX REFLECTOR - NOW OPERATING
Date: 30 Aug 1995 20:35:14 GMT
Organization: Prodigy Services Company  1-800-PRODIGY
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X-Newsreader: Version 1.2

Amir Bazak 4X6TT has started a new DX Reflector. This was
in  responce to some heated words between the sponsor of the
DX Reflector out of Canada and several users regarding tense
words regarding strict enforcement of the sponsors rules.

The new 4X6TT DX Reflector was created with the promise of
it being an unmoderated, uncensored forum where everyone may
speak there minds freely on any facet of DX.

To subscribe to the 4X6TT DX Reflector send a message to

 ADDRESS :     [e-mail]
 SUBJECT :     SUB
    TEXT :     SUBSCRIBE 4X6TT-DX

Do not put any more in the message than the above it will be
an automatic robot responce.

To send a posting to the 4X6TT DX Reflector send it to

               [e-mail]

During the first day there were over 100 subscribers added
to the mailing list with many more expected as word gets out
of its availablity.
                            73, Bob, WB2DIN
 




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 4X6TT DX REFLECTOR MAILING LIST
Date: 30 Aug 1995 17:02:30 GMT
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Amir Bazak 4X6TT has started a new DX Reflector. This was
in  responce to some heated words between the sponsor of the
DX Reflector out of Canada and several users regarding tense
words regarding strict enforcement of the sponsors rules.

The new 4X6TT DX Reflector was created with the promise of
it being an unmoderated, uncensored forum where everyone may
speak there minds freely on any facet of DX.

To subscribe to the 4X6TT DX Reflector send a message to

 ADDRESS :     [e-mail]
 SUBJECT :     SUB
        TEXT :     SUBSCRIBE 4X6TT-DX

Do not put any more in the message than the above it will be
an automatic robot responce.

To send a posting to the 4X6TT DX Reflector send it to

               [e-mail]

During the first day there were over 100 subscribers added
to the mailing list with many more expected as word gets out
of its availablity.

                                      73, Bob, WB2DIN
 




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:19 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 73 Mag's (Wayne Green) e-mail address
Date: 30 Aug 95 15:59:00 GMT
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;Can anyone tell me 73 Magazine's or Wayne Green's e-mail address?

;Many Thanks

;73
;Charlie

;               [e-mail] (Charles Hunter)

Charles,
Wayne Green will be at Hamcon this weekend.  If there is no answer to the
question before then I will ask him and reply next week.


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Charles Hunter)
Subject: 73 Mag's (Wayne Green) e-mail address
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (Charles Hunter)
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Charles Hunter)
Organization: The National Capital FreeNet
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 08:57:20 GMT
Lines: 9

Can anyone tell me 73 Magazine's or Wayne Green's e-mail address?

Many Thanks

73
Charlie

--
               [e-mail] (Charles Hunter)


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Floyd Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 73 Mag's (Wayne Green) e-mail address
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:40:57 GMT
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[e-mail] (Charles Hunter) wrote:

>Can anyone tell me 73 Magazine's or Wayne Green's e-mail address?

>Many Thanks

>73
>Charlie

>--
>               [e-mail] (Charles Hunter)

Charlie, the July 1995 issue of 73 has a letter to the editor about
E-Mail and he states his E-mail address is:

   [e-mail]

The next sentence after the address, he stated, "I don't encourge its
use because it's slower than fax to reach me."  So, good luck on
getting anything to him.  73's  Floyd  WD5ENJ



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:22 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARES Groups
Date: 30 Aug 1995 20:20:11 GMT
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Are there any ARES groups out there that have looked at forming themselves into non-profit corporations?
We in Cumberland County, New Jersey, are looking into this posibility now, and would like to be in contact
with other groups that are thinking on this line.

Please contact me with any info.

73

---
Best Regards,

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:23 1995
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Subject: ARLX048 Accident on Montserrat
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX048
ARLX048 Accident on Montserrat

ZCZC AX18
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 48  ARLX048
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  August 30, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX048
ARLX048 Accident on Montserrat

Bobby Martin, VP2MO, has been seriously injured, and his wife,
''Mae'' Martin, VP2MN, has died in an accident on the island of
Montserrat.

The two had temporarily relocated to Antigua following volcanic
activity that began on the island in late July.  They were back on
Montserrat where the accident, involving an automobile and a British
military vehicle, took place on Sunday, August 27.

Bobby Martin has been hospitalized at Hoberton Hospital on Antigua
and, although seriously injured, is expected to recover, according
to those who have spoken to attending physicians there.

Most residents south of Montserrat's volcano (Soufriere, 3000 feet
high) have been relocated to the north side of the tiny island,
farther away from danger.  The volcano continues to ''rumble and
spew ash,'' according to Perry Brittain, VP2MR/W5STI.

Bobby Martin has been well known for many years as one of the
Caribbean's most active amateurs.  In 1990 he received a British
knighthood for his work following Hurricane Hugo, which devastated
Montserrat in September 1989.

Stories about Montserrat appeared in QST for March 1990 and February
1991.

A funeral for Mae Martin was expected to be held sometime this week,
on Montserrat.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Wittich)
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|>
|> Of course, I hope there isn't a rash of pizza ordering taking place on our
|> local repeater.  It might make me hungry. ;-)
|>
|> 73,
|> Ken

The control ops on the repeater I use require anchovies to be on
any pizza ordered via the autopatch.  That keeps most of the pizza
traffic down.

73, Jeff - AC4ZO
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:25 1995
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From: Allan Spitzer <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Background noise using HTX-202 mobile
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During recent qso's from my car, I have been told that I have a lot of
background noise. The noise sounds like I have the windows open even
though I do not.  The noise disappears when the car is stopped, even if
the engine is still on.  I am using an HTX-202 with a 5/8ths wave
mag-mount.

I was thinking about trying an external mic, but I have a sneaking
suspicion that the noise is engine related (the car is a new Civic).

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Allan N3TCM





From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:26 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: Badges? We don' need no steenkin' badges!
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In <41o6qb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Zack Widup) writes:
>>>Si senor! Muy Bueno
>>All right ... what movie was that from?  "Treasure of the Sierra Madres"?
>>                                      73, Zack W9SZ
>OK... it was "Blazing Saddles" ... I shoulda known that! Duh...
>Thanks guys!

and in "UHF", it was "we don' need no steenking badgers..."

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: bicycle rig
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In article  [e-mail] (Jeff NH6IL) writes:
>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>>In article  [e-mail] writes:
>>>[e-mail] writes:
>
>>>>Also.. Are most ham type portables so quick on the battery-drainage? My walkie-talkie can barely last
>>>>4hrs with NO transmitting.
>>>Consider using a 12 volt generator run by one of your tires. I think they
>>>might be AC so you'll need to rectify the voltage.
>
>>Bike generators are typically DC (generators typically are, alternators
>>produce AC),
>
>Yes, I used the generic term `generator' since *no one* refers to them
>as `bike alternators'. The two electricity-generating devices on my
>bike are AC (one for the headlight, one for the tail light).

Interesting. The one on my bike really is a permanent magnet DC generator.
Does your bike have a battery to excite the stator coils of the alternator,
or does it depend on residual magnetism to get it started?

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff NH6IL)
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>In article  [e-mail] writes:
>>[e-mail] writes:

>>>Also.. Are most ham type portables so quick on the battery-drainage? My walkie-talkie can barely last
>>>4hrs with NO transmitting.

>>Consider using a 12 volt generator run by one of your tires. I think they
>>might be AC so you'll need to rectify the voltage.

>Bike generators are typically DC (generators typically are, alternators
>produce AC),

Yes, I used the generic term `generator' since *no one* refers to them
as `bike alternators'. The two electricity-generating devices on my
bike are AC (one for the headlight, one for the tail light).

Jeff NH6IL
Federal Signal Corp. sirens: Warning communities since 1901


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>In article  [e-mail] (Jeff NH6IL) writes:
>>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>>>In article  [e-mail] writes:
>>>>[e-mail] writes:
>>
>>>>>Also.. Are most ham type portables so quick on the battery-drainage?
My walkie-talkie can barely last
>>>>>4hrs with NO transmitting.
>>>>Consider using a 12 volt generator run by one of your tires. I think
they
>>>>might be AC so you'll need to rectify the voltage.
>>
>>>Bike generators are typically DC (generators typically are, alternators
>>>produce AC),
>>
>>Yes, I used the generic term `generator' since *no one* refers to them
>>as `bike alternators'. The two electricity-generating devices on my
>>bike are AC (one for the headlight, one for the tail light).
>
>Interesting. The one on my bike really is a permanent magnet DC generator.
>Does your bike have a battery to excite the stator coils of the
alternator,
>or does it depend on residual magnetism to get it started?
>
One that I had a long time ago had a rotating permanent magnet, and a
single-phase stator coil.  So I would classify it a "permanent magnet
alternator."  A car alternator of course uses a DC electromagnet as the
rotor, first since a stronger magnetic field can be developed, and also so
the power output can be controlled by varying the excitation.  A car
alternator also contains internal diodes to convert the output to "DC",
although of course there is still a lot of ripple.  The bike alternator
contained no diodes, it's output was AC.  It had two taps on the stator,
one nominally 12V for the headlight, and one 6V for the taillight.  The
efficiency seemed to be very low, probably mostly loss of mechanical power
in the coupling to the wheel.

I think it would be less effort to carry around a 3-5 AH lead acid battery
than to obtain power from a generator, unless you want to be "off grid" for
several days at a time.  Then solar cells may be a good idea.

If you do try a generator, the one I had also had one side of the output
connected to ground, so a conventional full-wave bridge rectifier while
also keeping the bike frame at DC minus is not practical.  If it is just to
keep the battery topped-up, a simple half-wave rectifer with a single diode
could be used.  Even if the generator does produce DC, a blocking diode
will still be needed.  I would doubt that an elaborate charge regulator
would be necessary, if you do it may make sense to make it a shunt
regulator with an indicator that the battery is charged.  Or just the
indicator.  Use Schottky diodes in the power path to reduce voltage
(therefore power) loss in the rectifier.  For the ultimate in efficiency,
synchronous rectifers using power FETs could be built.  These could include
series voltage regulation.

But really, if efficiency is any concern at all, replacing the radio with
one that uses less power is the best place to start.

-Mike KD4QDM


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DUNLAP TERRY W)
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Subject: Re: bicycle rig
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Geez,  you guys are trying to make it too difficult.  I ride with a
group of hams several times a week and the power source of choice is a
small gel cell.  Lasts for days.  I have my HT, an extended rubber duck
and the gel cell in a small fanny pack.  Works great and requires no
mods or attachments to the bike.

73 de Terry AC6EF
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:31 1995
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A small amorphous solar panel that is built on stainless steel and is
in a tough Tefzel flexible frame such as a UniSolar would be a simple
solution.  A small panel about 3" x 12" should be reasonable.  You
could add a tiny digital VOM, such as the those sold by Radio Shack to
keep and eye on the voltage.  Then just run a 12 volt pack wired to the
VOM and panel.


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:33 1995
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Subject: BULLETIN: Progress Toward Solar Cycle Minimum
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The hints suggesting of a new solar cycle are continuing to increase.
Recently, two new regions were defined by the Cal Tech group at Big
Bear Solar Observatory.  Both of these regions had the correct magnetic
polarity for the new solar cycle, but the southern-most region (located at
S07) was too close to the solar equator to be easily distinguished as a new
cycle region.  The northern-most region, however, had the correct magnetic
polarity and was located at N38, which is the nominal distance from the solar
equator for a new-cycle region.  This brings the total number of observed
possible new-cycle solar regions to three.

These observations are indeed very interesting, particularly considering they
are appearing almost one full year earlier than some models predict.  This
raises a question as to whether the predicted timing of the next solar
maximum is correct or possibly off by as much as one year.  One of the most
common and respected models used world-wide to predict the next-cycle maximum
is the McNish-Lincoln method which has been in wide-spread use for years.
The present predictions (which ignore the fact that new-cycle spots have
already been identified) suggest the next solar maximum should occur between
January and April in the year 2000 with a smoothed sunspot number of 108 (a
fair bit lower than the smoothed value of 158.5 which was observed as the
cycle maximum for the current solar cycle [cycle #22] in July 1989).  These
same models also predicted the minimum of the current solar cycle to occur
sometime between April and June of 1996 with a smoothed sunspot number of 6.

These predictions are only based on observed historic solar cycle sunspot
numbers and do not take into consideration actual physical processes which
lead to solar cycle minimums and maximums.  And they have been known to be
frequently in error with regards to timing.  For example, the rise of the
current solar cycle was only 34 months.  No other recorded solar cycle has had
such a short rise-time to a solar maximum from a solar minimum.  It may
therefore only be a minor surprise if the current solar minimum is achieved
earlier than anticipated.

The recent observations imply that the predicted solar cycle maximum may
actually occur sometime early in late 1998 or early 1999.  The implications
also suggest we may begin to see more frequent influential major solar events
erupting from the Sun later in 1996 or 1997 with a full resumption of
regular major solar events capable of possibly strongly affecting our various
industries (hydro, GPS, HF radio and navigation, satellite health,
upper-atmosphere characteristics, etc) possibly as early as 1998.

Considering the importance and influence of solar activity on many global
industries and space-based ventures, the accurate prediction of the nature
and timing of the new solar cycle is of great importance.  These recent
observations add fuel to the fire that the new solar cycle may already be
upon us, if not very near.


**  End of Bulletin  **


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:34 1995
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From: Peter Lemken <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Burt Fisher......still going!
Date: 29 Aug 1995 13:29:49 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] () wrote:
>>In article <41l9ph$[e-mail]>,
>>Rich M1110 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>Perhaps this is not a real Amateur Radio issue.
>>
>>Here, the only relevant statment of your posting. Leave to one of
>>the alt.windows.problems news groups.
>>
>>73, Moritz DL5UH
>
>Hey in Germany do you know what "f off"  means?
                                 ^^^^^^^^
Yes, we do.

>By the way I do not answer German CQs. I did not forget.

Germans will appreciate that.

>
>#================#=====================================================#
>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
                     ^^^^^^^

You are a teacher???? Poor kids.




>| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
>|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
>#================#=====================================================#
>| [e-mail]                               [e-mail]  |
>#======================================================================#
>
>Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
>         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).
>
Who would want your GIF?

Burt Fisher, you are a racist and an ignorant, qualities that exclude
themselves from being associated with the word "ham spirit". Why don't YOU
just f off and leave us all alone?


Peter Lemken
DF5JT/KE4UNQ





From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:35 1995
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Subject: Re: Burt Fisher......still going!
Date: 29 Aug 1995 21:22:17 GMT
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Peter Lemken <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>By the way I do not answer German CQs. I did not forget.
>
>Germans will appreciate that.

No more than I.


>Burt Fisher, you are a racist and an ignorant, qualities that exclude
>themselves from being associated with the word "ham spirit". Why don't YOU
>just f off and leave us all alone?

I am racist?

I was not part of a country that killed 6 million Jews and millions of
others, Or more recently sold germ warfare to Iraq

Old dogs change?

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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| [e-mail]                               [e-mail]  |
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Emarit Ranu)
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Subject: Re: Burt Fisher......still going!
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Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Peter Lemken <[e-mail]> wrote:

[SNIP]

: >Burt Fisher, you are a racist and an ignorant, qualities that exclude
: >themselves from being associated with the word "ham spirit". Why don't YOU
: >just f off and leave us all alone?

: I am racist?

: I was not part of a country that killed 6 million Jews and millions of
: others, Or more recently sold germ warfare to Iraq


        Burt...
        If you suggest that being a citizen of a country whose government
        is "racist" makes the citizen racist him/herself you need to
        reevaluate your method of thinking.

[SNIP]

--
        -Emarit  73's   [e-mail]

        KG0CQ          _._  __.  _____  _._.  __._

        Packet:         KG0CQ@KF0UW.#NECO.USA.NOAM


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Comperini)
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Subject: Re: Cell phone use on planes?
Date: 29 Aug 1995 14:47:18 -0700
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[e-mail] (Erik K.Sorgatz) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Abraham Stavsky) writes:
>>
>>Why are 800 MHz cellular phones forbidden on air carriers when
>>the same airline offers cell phone service to its passengers using
>>a credit card?  Any logic here?
>>
>>73s
>>KE6OCM
>>--
>>A. Stavsky, P.O. Box 351222, Los Angeles, CA  90035-1222


> Uhuh, and real simple too. The Aerophones, are connected to EXTERNAL antennas
>hence, no rfi to the navcomm stuff INSIDE the fuse. EZ huh?


Well, it's not *that* easy. First of all the "cell" phones you find on
the planes are not "cell" phones in the same sense. They are designed for
use in planes. The phone service you find onboard planes and cruise ships
are NOT the same cell phone system you use when you call from your car or
your hand-held cell phone.
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (phil reed)
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Subject: Re: Cell phone use on planes?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>
>Why are 800 MHz cellular phones forbidden on air carriers when
>the same airline offers cell phone service to its passengers using
>a credit card?  Any logic here?

In fact, cell phones cannot be used from *any* aircraft, not just
airlines. The reason? When in the air, your little cellular transmitter
can hit multiple cells over a very wide area, confusing the heck out
of the cellular system. It has the potential of crashing the cellular
computers.

The phones on the airlines transmit to special systems designed
for the purpose. They aren't cellular.

--
                        ...phil

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:39 1995
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From: william@cortex (William Biggs)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Cell phone use on planes?
Date: 30 Aug 1995 01:07:44 GMT
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: If a phone number is decected active in two cities, the software may
: assume that a second 'clone' of the phone is being used.  If this happens,
: the most logical action for a carrier to take is to temporarily shut down
: your phone number, and force you to either change the number or the
: phone (ESN) to make the clone unusable.  If it happens more than once,
: a carrier may safely assume the following:

: 1)  You used your phone in a plane, a clear FCC violation
: 2)  You have been targeted by shady characters as a prime target
:     to repeatedly tack their cellular bills onto.
: 3)  You are in possession of a second 'clone' of the phone,
:     invalidating anti-cloning security measures to protect other
:     customers.

: Wouldn't ANY of the above would be enough reason for a carrier to cancel
: your account?


I can give you my experience using cellular phones on aircraft. Back when
these first came out, there were no  directives on using them vs.
not using them on aircraft.

So, of course, we used them !

I was able to use my phone fine when in a large metro area like Dallas,
but since you are moving so quickly you get out of the carriers area so
soon it's not worthwhile.

Also, I did plan one call somewhere over North Texas, which
simultaneously connected me to (at least) 3 different carriers. The
call went through, but I simultaneously got 2 other busy signals !!

(I have assumed that 2 other cell sites tried to connect the call,
which had not connected as quickly as the site that actually connected
the call.)

The kicker was that ALL THREE billed me a daily roaming charge of $3 !

Since then the airlines have all asked not to use cellular phones on
the plane, and I have respected their wishes.

BTW, the 'clone phone security' comes up again. This doesn't explain why
they don't want you using them even at the gate, while you are firmly
planted on terra firma. I think the interference issue is plausible, and
the last thing I want is to give the pilot problems while I'm on board.



William C. Biggs , MD
KC5JIF                            Howdy from the High Plains of Texas
1900 South Coulter Drive
Amarillo, TX 79106


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:40 1995
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Subject: Re: Comments Tandy HTX-21
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: Re: Comments Tandy HTX-212 2m

>the radio shack amateur ht's CANNOT, i repeat CANNOT be modified for
out >of band TX or RX.  period.  end of story.  whoever told you that
the >unit could be modified is lying to you or has no idea what he / she
is >talking about.

Of course, this poster doesn't realize that the 212 is NOT an HT.

The Radio Shack 212 can, or course, be modified to transmit in the
MARS/CAP band. (Directions included with the unit.)



Clint Bradford
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
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Subject: Re: Comments Tandy HTX-212 2m
Date: 29 Aug 1995 01:43:22 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

: HA>Can anyone offer some constructive criticism or compliments regarding the
: HA>Radio Shack HTX-212?  Also, is this radio modifiable?  I understand that
: HA>it can RX up to 174 with a key-pad combination but can it be alter to TX
: HA>as well up to that range?

: standard form answer:
: the radio shack amateur ht's CANNOT, i repeat CANNOT be modified for out
: of band TX or RX.  period.  end of story.  whoever told you that the
: unit could be modified is lying to you or has no idea what he / she is
: talking about.

   Of course, the original poster was asking about the HTX-212, not
the HTX-202...


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (TIFFANY)
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Date: 29 Aug 1995 12:04 CST
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In article <41sj0q$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Alan ) writes...
>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
>(Clint Bradford) writes:
>>
>>Subject: Comments Tandy HTX-212 2m
>>
>>The HTX-212 Mobile Transceiver..
>>
>>
>>Can be modified to transmit in the MARS/CAP band.  (Directions
>included)

>You mean the directions in the manual tell how to modify it for
>out-of-band transmit, whether you are authorized to transmit on those
>frequencies or not?

     Uh-oh!  Someone...quick...call the FCC and sick them on Radio Shack
for this BLATANT advocacy of out-of-band transmission!!!  Now!!!

(Add :-) as needed)

     73!

     Tiffany -- kj5gu

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Abraham Stavsky)
Subject: Current listing of repeaters in France?
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Anyone have a listing?  Do they use PL tones & if so, which?
Thanks
KE6OCM
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Jessup)
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Subject: Re: CW Filters
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Lewis Stephens KC5PSX) writes:

>   Will the optional cw filter help me?

Undoubtedyl!  I find the more I filter out the CW, the more sane I become!

Kevin, n9sqb


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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:45 1995
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Hi,

I'm pretty new at ham radio, and I'm wondering:
is there anywhere someone with a Tech license can
practice CW on the air?

Just wondering.
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
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Subject: CW for Tech Class ?
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In article <422713$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  > I'm pretty new at ham radio, and I'm wondering:
  > is there anywhere someone with a Tech license can
  > practice CW on the air?

  Yup, CW is not outlawed on 2 meters or the other bands.
  Just use a multi mode radio and have a go at it. Or check the
  use chart and find a place where F2 is allowed and use a code
  practice oscillator into the mic. jack.

  Notably 50.0 to 50.1 and 144.0 to 144.1 Mhz are CW only.

  > To be is to do   (Kant)
  > To do is to be   (Sartre)
  > Yabba-Dabba-Doo! (F. Flinstone)

  You forgot the original, "do be do be do" (F. Sinatra)

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:47 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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ZW>I don't know what the "official" definition of "modulation" is, but in my
ZW>book anything with sidebands (or at least one) is modulation.

Ah weel, Zack... in the final analysis, I go by common amateur usage,
whether the pedants like it or not! The dictionary helps a lot too.
Variation is in the ear of the beholder!
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:47 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, is it modulation?
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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CM>You're right Zack, and it just occurred to me how CW operators can
CM>conserve bandwidth. 30 wpm CW occupies a lot more bandwidth than
CM>5 wpm CW so, in the same spirit that limits digital modes to 300
CM>baud, don't you think think CW should be limited to 5 wpm?  :-)

Good one Cecil! NOW your Mensa Brain is really kicking!
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:49 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 14:20:00 -0500
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BC>>No hams USE a bloody carbon mike.

CM>If you don't like carbon mikes then how about a $1 crystal mike
CM>and a $0.20 Op Amp to modulate that single transistor transmitter?

I didn't say that I didn't LIKE them. The other OM claimed that an FM
transmitter was easier and simpler to build than a simple CW
transmitter. Rather silly, eh?! :-)

CM>I'm not pulling your leg. In the past, telephones used carbon
CM>microphones and that's where a lot of hams got theirs. We used them
CM>for single/double tube AM and FM transmitters. I still have some in
CM>my junk box. If the FCC allowed new hams to use FM, I guarantee you
CM>there would be a lot of new hams on FM with transmitters no more
CM>complex than CW transmitters. Why do they subsidize CW? Why don't
CM>they allow freedom of choice of modes?

Er, I think new hams CAN use 10m FM with the NOCODE TECH license,
can't they? I don't hear any of them using carbon mike FM xmtrs though!

CM>>How did you ever get a ham ticket?

If you are going to continue with any more rude and stupid questions
I will just twit you, but since you seem to be curious, I will tell you:
I got my first license at the age of 16 (minimum in the UK in 1968!)
by taking a 12 wpm code test at one place and taking a theory test that
involved drawing schematics of transmitters, and essay type answers.
None of your easy American, multiple-choice, memorize the answers stuff!
I later moved here and studied hard and got the amateur extra in 1978.

CM>When you were still in diapers, my parents drove me 200 miles in a '46
CM>Chevy with no AC to the nearest FCC office in Houston where I passed
CM>with flying colors in front of an FEE examiner and became W5DXP.

Brag all you want. I took two buses and a train 60 miles down to London
to get mine, and I bet you got there quiker in your 46 !!

CM>Mensa brains are unaffected by your temper tantrums.

Pfft! Obviously you have faulty ESP also! Try a DSP filter for your
"Mensa brain!" :-)

I'm sure it took a real mensa brain to come up with demanding a 5 wpm
speed limit for CW, he he!

73, AF4K, WB4FPH, G3XLQ/W4, G3XLQ, A4941
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:50 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 14:20:00 -0500
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DM>>Again, pure horse poop, Dana!

DM>This is from the gentleman who spent a lot of energy trying to
DM>convince me I'm rude and arrogant?

No. Not trying to convince you of anything, just stating facts.
No persuasion desired.

DM>As for "Morse code isn't modulation", no amount of name-calling
DM>and ridicule is going to change the facts:

Huh? What "name-calling" can you cite? Your imagination is
getting the better of you!

DM>Morse code sent by
DM>on-off-keying is a form of AM.  Tell me this is pure horse poop
DM>all you want, but it is true.

And pigs will fly!

DM>Are you just being obstinate for fun?

Are you? What makes it acceptable for YOU to be obstinate over a
pointless, stupid argument, yet you criticize of I respond in kind?
Sauce for the gander, Dana!

73 de AF4K
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:51 1995
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Subject: Re: CW, we need it.
Date: 30 Aug 1995 16:07:00 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Brian Carling <[e-mail]> wrote:

BC>The other OM claimed that an FM
BC>transmitter was easier and simpler to build than a simple CW
BC>transmitter. Rather silly, eh?! :-)

I recall saying that it is as easy and as simple, i.e. equal in
complexity - not silly, just a statement of facts.

BC>Er, I think new hams CAN use 10m FM with the NOCODE TECH license,
BC>can't they? I don't hear any of them using carbon mike FM xmtrs though!

NOCODE TECHs cannot use 10m at all. By new hams, I was referring to
Novices. They are not allowed to use 10m FM. For an Extra, you don't
seem to know much about ham radio. A friend of mine has a couple of HTs
that won't work with anything but carbon mikes.

BC>>>How did you ever get a ham ticket?

BC>If you are going to continue with any more rude and stupid questions
BC>I will just twit you, but since you seem to be curious, I will tell you:

*YOU* ASKED THE RUDE AND STUPID QUESTION! I am not curious about you
or your ham ticket. If this question was "rude and stupid" it is
because you asked it. I agree with you - it *was* rude and stupid.
Are we getting a little forgetful lately?

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Landis - Systems & Network Mgr)
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Subject: Dayton '96
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Well it looks like I'll finally be able to see my way clear to get to Dayton
in '96. I should probably start making arrangements for the trip.
As I recall, the date for it changes next year. When is it? Are there any
particularly good or bad places to stay? I will be driving.

Thanks, and hope to see you there!

Joe - AA3GN
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn C. Masters)
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? No Way!
Date: 29 Aug 1995 16:46:37 GMT
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J. Duffy Beischel ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Is the code old? - Yes
: Is it slow compared to today's digital technology? - Yes
: Ae many other services dropping it? - Yes

: But is it outmoded? - NO

: I am not fond of the code, but I still like to use it in a while. It is
: one of those skills that one needs to have in "reserve."  We are
: supposed to be the emergency communications backbone of our respective
: countries.  When things get so bad that they need amateur radio
: communications, it may also mean that we need to use CW.  It is a
: reserve skill that all amateurs that operate on the HF bands must have.

        What we really need to do is develop a digital network for emergencies.
Set a standard, establish an operating protocol, distribute instructions on
building, or modifing equipment to be compliant, and getting it widly spread.
If not, then what are all of us going to do when CW fails?  There are times
when the S/N gets small enough that CW can't get through, yet a well designed
digital system can.

        73,
                Shawn
                KE4GHS


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Moldenhauer)
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
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John B. Lawrence ([e-mail]) writes:
>>Computer Class - All bands packet, voice on most bands
>>Telegrapher Class - All bands voice, code on code restricted bands
Video Class

Classes should be based on use!!!!!

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> YES!!!! Drop the code for those of us who don't want it!!!! I'm trying
> to learn code but am having much difficulty because I am almost tone
> deaf. Code is useless to me.............
>
> John
> KE6TGN

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>YES!!!! Drop the code for those of us who don't want it!!!! I'm trying
>to learn code but am having much difficulty because I am almost tone
>deaf. Code is useless to me.............
>
>John
>KE6TGN

If you have a physical impairment, the Rules allow for a physician to submit
a statement to the examiner team that might exempt you from the receiving
requirement.  I don't think you would be exempt from the sending test, though.
I have heard of CW ops that use their fingers against the cone of a speaker
to "feel" the Code.
I myself cannot hold or identify a tone either.  If you asked me to set the
dial on a signal at 600 hz, it would be somewhere between 400 and 800.
So I have rigged up a spot function on my ICOM radio so I can zero-beat the
other station within a few cycles or so.  You can find me in the contests
every so often at 30wpm.

I hear you, but I think you are saying "you don"t want it", and "it's useless
to you".  However, that won't get you the upgrade you want.  I spent 5 years
getting to the 20 wpm level for my Extra.  Keep trying.

Tyler Barnett N4TY




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:57 1995
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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 01:47:32 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Gary Coffman" writes:

> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> >If you have a physical impairment, the Rules allow for a physician to submit
> >a statement to the examiner team that might exempt you from the receiving
> >requirement.  I don't think you would be exempt from the sending test, though.
>
> Sending test? Gee, Tyler, it's been a long time since you took the test. :-)

Section 97.509(d) states that passing a telegraphy receiving examination
is adequate proof of an examinee's ability to send and receive telegraphy.
The adminstering VEs, however, may include a sending segment in a
telegraphy examination -- but it's not required.  Based on the FCC
recommendation, ARRL/VEC VE teams administer only receiving tests and
don't require sending tests.

A sending test may be used as an accomodation for a handicapped person.
The examination may be administered by allowing the examinee to send using
a key, keyer or other similar device - a computer keyboard is not
acceptable, however.  Sending tests may be requested [by the VE team] from
the VEC for this purpose or the VE team may create their own -- or use one
of [the ARRL-VEC's] standard texts from [the ARRL-VEC's] Morse code tapes.

In an accomodated sending test for a handicapped person, the VEs must
decide whether the candidate has maintained the required 5, 13 or 20-wpm
character speed.  Spacing between characters, because this is an
accommodated exam, isn't judged.  Depending on the severity of a
particular handicap, although some candidates can maintain a high sending
speed, others may only be able to demonstrate single characters -- and
even those characters may be extremely difficult for the candidate to
accomplish. The minimum sending test may be limited to include only the
FCC's required 43 characters sent randomly, as administered by the
examiners. For extreme cases, a passing grade can be based on a 70%
accurate demonstration of ability.

The examiners' decision should be based on the candidate's ability to
comprehend the Morse code message by overcoming the handicap through an
accommodated means.

[ARRL VEC Volunteer Examiner Manual - Seventh Edition]

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:13:58 1995
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From: Grant Youngman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
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>>
>Thanks for describing my problem exactly. I assumed it was tone
>deafness. I have never heard the term "temporal duration," which
>describes me to a "T" (tee?)(tea?).
>
>Thanks Again
>
>John
>KE6TGN

Ah-h-h-h-h.  Now we have a whole new class of "disadvantaged" to concern ourselves
with.  There is an excuse for everyone.  If you have a handicap that is so severe as
to prevent you from learning to copy code by any means, then I believe there are
waivers which can be obtained from the FCC.

We will have thousands of such souls cropping up everywhere.  Everyone wants some
way out other than just bucking down and learning to copy it.  I also suggest that a
physician might be a more appropriate person from which to obtain diagnosis of such
severe disability.  Nothing like buying off on a supportive argument.

Sorry for the poke, guys -- but this whole discussion is, well, ... as someone
pointed out in another thread somewhere -- there's just not enough meat left to get
a fork into.

Grant/NQ5T



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Grant Youngman <[e-mail]> sed:

:>Ah-h-h-h-h.  Now we have a whole new class of "disadvantaged" to concern ourselves
:>with.  There is an excuse for everyone.  If you have a handicap that is so severe as
:>to prevent you from learning to copy code by any means, then I believe there are
:>waivers which can be obtained from the FCC.

Only waivers for the 13 and 20 wpm exams but not the 5 wpm exam.
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Grant Youngman <[e-mail]> sed:

:>Ah-h-h-h-h.  Now we have a whole new class of "disadvantaged" to concern ourselves
:>with.  There is an excuse for everyone.  If you have a handicap that is so severe as
:>to prevent you from learning to copy code by any means, then I believe there are
:>waivers which can be obtained from the FCC.

Only waivers for the 13 and 20 wpm exams but not the 5 wpm exam.
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Kodis)
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Subject: Extracting FM station info from FCC database
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As you would imagine, the FCC maintains a database of all broadcast
stations licensed for operations in or near the US.  This information
is available from their FTP site, FTP.FCC.GOV.  The file containing
the FM station data contains over 8 MB of information in a 2 MB file.
The information is stored in a format which is not usable directly.
While few people would be interested in browsing through all of this
data, many people, myself included, would be interested in getting a
list of all of the nearby FM stations, with a few of the more
important station parameters displayed in an easy-to-read format.

Toward this goal, I developed a script which retrieves the FM database
and generates a concise list of FM stations in my area.  The first few
lines of this list are shown below.  The columns show each station's
frequency, station class, callsign, effective radiated power and
antenna polarization, latitude and longitude, distance and heading
(useful for antenna pointing), and the state and city of the station.

Freq  Class Callsign      Power   Lat       Lon         Km Deg    City
----  ----- --------      -----   ---       ---         -- ---    ----
 88.1 FM B1 WJHU          10000 - N39:19:53 W076:39:28  31 326 MD Baltimore
 88.1 FM D  WMUCFM           10 + N38:58:59 W076:56:37  44 253 MD College Park
 88.1 FM B1 WJTM           4000 + N39:25:05 W077:30:03  96 292 MD Frederick
 88.1 FM D  WVYC             36 - N39:56:49 W076:43:47  97 346 PA York
 88.5 FM B  WAMU          50000 + N38:56:09 W077:05:33  58 252 DC Washington
 88.7 FM B1 NEW           10000 | N39:13:44 W075:45:15  62  77 MD Massey
 88.9 FM B1 WEAA          12500 + N39:20:31 W076:35:13  29 338 MD Baltimore
 89.1 FM A  WXHL              1 - N39:40:38 W075:39:47  94  47 DE Christiana
 89.3 FM B  WPFW          50000 + N38:56:09 W077:05:33  58 252 DC Washington
 89.7 FM B1 WTMD          10000 + N39:23:45 W076:36:29  35 339 MD Towson
 89.9 FM A  WOELFM         3000 + N39:35:35 W075:51:49  75  43 MD Elkton
 90.7 FX D  W214AD           30 - N38:43:12 W075:56:54  61 134 MD Easton, etc.

I thought that others might find such a list of FM stations useful,
and so I put the script on my FTP site.  Instructions on the use and
customization of this script are in the comments at the beginning of
the file.  It should be usable on just about any Unix box.  I've also
been able to run it unmodified on my PC under OS/2, using the Internet
access kit for FTP access, and the GNU version of bash, gzip, awk, fold,
sort, and other utility programs.

The URL for the file is:

        ftp://ftp.digex.net/pub/access/kodis/fmx

or if using ftp manually:

        $ ftp ftp.digex.net (log on as user anonymous)
        > cd pub/access/kodis
        > get fmx

The script is well commented, and should be easy to modify if a
different output format or selection of station parameters are
desired.  The FCC also maintains lists of all television stations
within and near the US, and of all AM stations in the Western
hemisphere.  Generating a similar list for transmissions of these
types should be a simple clone-and-hack exercise.

I hope that many of you find this a useful program.  I'd be interested
in hearing any comments, criticisms, or suggestions that you might
have, and will be happy to answer questions as time permits by e-mail
at [e-mail].

-- John Kodis.




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:02 1995
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The following items are for sale, contact
Larry, AE4FV [phone]

Realistic PRO-2006 scanner $300.
Diamond D130J discone antenna $60.


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (-=FOOBARF=-)
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Subject: GE PCSH3 -? How to Program?
Date: 29 Aug 1995 00:02:51 GMT
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I have one general electric model PCSH3 portable radio, which
has an lcd display.  It is currently programmed with 2 channels,
and it is n the vhf band.  I see little plugs/pads on the side of
the radio where it looks like a programming adaptor may fit to
program the radio.  I took it apart and there are no frequency
crystals, (if's yes, but xtals no)

  Would anyone be able to point me in the direction of finding
out where to get it programmed?

(BTW, the only local ge dealer said to bring it in and they could
program it for 100$, Well, I think that is a little too high, since
I was given the radio..

  Thanks..
[e-mail]


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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Norm Collins )
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Subject: Ham Stores in LasVegas
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Several years ago, I visited a ham or radio store about 30 minutes
outside Las Vegas.  I've forgotten the name and would like to contact
them.  Anyone know the name of the store and the city?  Phone maybe?

Thanks in advance

Norm


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:05 1995
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Subject: Re: Ham Stores in LasVegas
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[e-mail] (Norm Collins ) wrote:
>
> Several years ago, I visited a ham or radio store about 30 minutes
> outside Las Vegas.  I've forgotten the name and would like to contact
> them.  Anyone know the name of the store and the city?  Phone maybe?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Norm


Might be who you're looking for:  Radio World
                                  Boulder City, NV
                                  tel  [phone]
                                  fax  [phone]



-Steve


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HAMCON '95
ARRL SOUTHWESTERN DIVISION CONVENTION
Aboard the Queen Mary (Long Beach, Ca)
September 1-3, 1995 (Labor Day Weekend)

Exhibit Hours: Friday 5pm-8pm, Saturday 9am-5pm Sunday 9am-noon.

Registration  $15

Parking $1 (show your pre-registration card or Amateur Radio License)

Make Checks to:
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For more information contact:
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Friday
        Royal Salon         King's View      Queen Elizabeth
                                             ARRL Field Organization
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        Workshop                             N6GIW

13:00        "                    "          Amateur Aux.
                                             JIM ZOULEK (FCC EIC)

14:00        "                    "          Communications Workshop
                                             W6TKV & N6HIQ

15:00        "                    "          Public Relations
                                             Len Winkler KB7LPW

16:00        "                    "          ARES & Club Council
                                             AA6MX
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18:30   Tesla Coil Demo

       Entertainment
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
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Subject: Re: HAMS VOTING AGAINST PETITION TO BAN HF ONEWAY HAM BROADCASTS!!
Date: 31 Aug 1995 17:42:45 GMT
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In article <424c1j$[e-mail]>,
Burt Fisher  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio) wrote:
>>WITH 181 VOTES AS OF 8/30/95, Hams are turning down W5YI's petitionby a 2
>>to 1 margin. You still have ome to participate in the poll. The polling
>>stops on September 13th 73's Ray
>
>
>Hams do not make that decision.
>And if you think votes are the way to go why not
>let your neighbors vote whether you should have a tower.

Of course such a petition isn't binding on anyone.  That isn't
to say it has no value.  Plebiscites are a good idea...
just as long as I don't have to call some 900 phone number ;-)

-John

--
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<[e-mail]> wrote:
>Yup the Gates of Hell !!!
>
>

Rotten Apple, Mac.

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:09 1995
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Subject: Re: How do i find out my exact Longitude/latitude ?
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[e-mail] (BUDDY10) wrote:
>How do i find out my exact longitude & latitude , so i can use a beam
>heading program ?
>Thanks !
Any avaiation map is marked in lat/long to the neares minute. Get one
at the local airport.

Also any atlas.

Rx  K1HI




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Subject: Re: How do i find out my exact Longitude/latitude ?
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In <41q0il$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (BUDDY10) writes:
>How do i find out my exact longitude & latitude , so i can use a beam
>heading program ?
>Thanks !

borrow a buddy's GPS receiver and take data over a few days and average the
numbers.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Diego Pons)
Subject: Re: How do i find out my exact Longitude/latitude ?
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BUDDY10 ([e-mail]) wrote:
> How do i find out my exact longitude & latitude , so i can use a beam
> heading program ?
> Thanks !

Look up in the Usenet maps the lat/long of the closest site to
your home (possibly a college), and use theirs. It could be
sufficiently accurate for long distances.

Or even easier, go to a library (of the said college?) and look it
up in a map. If you live in California that information should be
good enough until the Big One.

Or go to a computer shop and feign interest in one of those
geographical programs. Look up your block and write down the lat/long,
usually displayed somewhere in the screen, as if you where making
notes on the features.

You still have the problem of calculating the bearing of the
great circle to your destination. Ask in rec.boats about that.

(Now AOLers have a debt with me, can flame them in peace with myself
forever)
--
Diego Pons
[e-mail]
Los Angeles, CA


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:12 1995
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Subject: Re: Info Needed on 2m Antenna for Plastic-Body Car
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[e-mail] (-Braxton,T.E.) wrote:
>
> Does anyone have experience installing a mobile VHF antenna
> on a vehicle with a non-metallic skin?  I have a Saturn SL1
> for which I'm trying to find a suitable 2m antenna.
>
> Any advice?  Any war stories?  I haven't been able to find
> any info specific to this kind of application.  I want a temporary
> mount (e.g., trunk-lip) and obviously the widely-available
> magnetic mounts won't work too well.
>
> Any info appreciated.
>
> Tom Braxton  WB9VRW
> AT&T Bell Laboratories     Electromagnetic Compatibility Group
>

        Fun problem.  Kinda the same problem I've got with my
motorcycle.

        About the best idea I've come up with is to mount a J-Pole
where by turn signals are.  Maybe you could mount on the bumper or
hitch?

        Nice thing about the J-Pole is you won't need a ground plane.
I've thought about making it out of whip stock, maybe an old CB antenna.


        Good Luck

        Buster, KC7KMJ


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:13 1995
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From: Steve Sampson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Info Needed on 2m Antenna for Plastic-Body Car
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Buster <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (-Braxton,T.E.) wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience installing a mobile VHF antenna
>> on a vehicle with a non-metallic skin?  I have a Saturn SL1
>> for which I'm trying to find a suitable 2m antenna.

The way we put louvers in fiberglass deck lids, is to cut a hole
and fiberglass in some steel louvers.

Cut a hole in the body (an octagon would be good), and mount the antenna
above the glassed in metal ground plane.

Just an idea :-)

--
Steve




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Drumheller)
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[e-mail] (-Braxton,T.E.) wrote:
>
> Does anyone have experience installing a mobile VHF antenna
> on a vehicle with a non-metallic skin?  I have a Saturn SL1
> for which I'm trying to find a suitable 2m antenna.
>
> Any advice?  Any war stories?  I haven't been able to find
> any info specific to this kind of application.  I want a temporary
> mount (e.g., trunk-lip) and obviously the widely-available
> magnetic mounts won't work too well.
>
> Any info appreciated.
>
> Tom Braxton  WB9VRW
> AT&T Bell Laboratories     Electromagnetic Compatibility Group

   Oh, for crying out loud!  Your trunk lid, hood, and roof are metal.  A
magnetic mount antenna will work on any one of them.

   I used a 144 mHz. 5/8 wave mag-mount for over two years before I
installed a 2m/70cm antenna with an NMO mount in the center of the trunk
lid.  (Yes, I did cut a hole using a chassis punch.  I wasn't as painful
as I though, since the end result is a clean installation.)

Dave, KA3QBQ
--
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Naval Research Laboratory
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich M1110)
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Subject: Re: inline filter work wired into cigarette-lighter adapter?
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Power is Power...

You want to install the filter between the power supply (cigerette
lighter) and the radio.  You would have to (in-line) install the filter at
the back of the lighter. The other option - remove the lighter element and
with a hammer drive the filter into the socket:)  I'm not sure of your
application, but I'm sure you would prefer a hidden installment.  Your
best aproach is to hard wire your installment direct to the battery.
Installing to the lighter would pick up noise from the alternator.

Good Luck
KC7MTJ


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>  You want to install the filter between the power supply (cigerette
>  lighter) and the radio.  You would have to (in-line) install the filter at
>  the back of the lighter.

Why couldn't the filter be installed in the cord of the adapter that plugs my radio into the lighter-plug?
Total dummy when it comes to this stuff, so I don't wanna mess with the CAR at all..<grin>
My first one to be almost paid for. Would sure hate to burn it up first.



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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 28/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 28 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 29 AUGUST - 31 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  82/23

GOES satellite data for 27 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   1.6E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 3.2E+07 (normal)
       X-ray background: A7.7
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             29 Aug             30 Aug             31 Aug
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 29 Aug:  82/23

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 27 Aug
    Learmonth        4  2111 2111
    Fredericksburg   5                           9
    Planetary        7                           6

Observed Kp for 27 Aug: 2212 1223
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
29 Aug     5    Quiet
30 Aug    10    Quiet to unsettled
31 Aug     5    Quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
28 Aug      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
29 Aug      normal         normal         normal
30 Aug      normal         normal         fair
31 Aug      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
28 Aug    29    near predicted monthly values, apart from 30%
                enhancements after 19UT.

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
29 Aug    20    near predicted monthly values
30 Aug    20    near predicted monthly values
31 Aug    20    near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: mostly near predicted monthly values, with some
night-time Sporadic E layer.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: mostly near predicted monthly values, with night-time
Spread F.

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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 29/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 29 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 30 AUGUST - 01 SEPTEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  78/17

GOES satellite data for 28 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   1.7E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 1.6E+07 (normal)
       X-ray background: A5.5
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             30 Aug             31 Aug             01 Sep
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 30 Aug:  78/17

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to unsettled, apart from active
levels 09-12UT.

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 28 Aug
    Learmonth       11  3224 2232
    Fredericksburg  15                           5
    Planetary       12                           5

Observed Kp for 28 Aug: 1112 2221
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
30 Aug    10    Quiet to unsettled
31 Aug     6    Quiet
01 Sep     6    Quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
29 Aug      normal         normal         fair-normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
30 Aug      normal         normal         fair
31 Aug      normal         normal         normal
01 Sep      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
29 Aug    38    15-30% enhanced, with night-time Spread F.

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
30 Aug    30    15-30% enhanced.
31 Aug    30    15-30% enhanced.
01 Sep    30    15-30% enhanced.
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: mostly near predicted monthly values, with some
night-time Sporadic E layer.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: 15-30% enhanced during the local day, with night-time
Spread F.

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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 29/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 29 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 30 AUGUST - 01 SEPTEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  78/17

GOES satellite data for 28 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   1.7E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 1.6E+07 (normal)
       X-ray background: A5.5
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             30 Aug             31 Aug             01 Sep
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 30 Aug:  78/17

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to unsettled, apart from active
levels 09-12UT.

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 28 Aug
    Learmonth       11  3224 2232
    Fredericksburg  15                           5
    Planetary       12                           5

Observed Kp for 28 Aug: 1112 2221
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
30 Aug    10    Quiet to unsettled
31 Aug     6    Quiet
01 Sep     6    Quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
29 Aug      normal         normal         fair-normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
30 Aug      normal         normal         fair
31 Aug      normal         normal         normal
01 Sep      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
29 Aug    38    15-30% enhanced, with night-time Spread F.

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
30 Aug    30    15-30% enhanced.
31 Aug    30    15-30% enhanced.
01 Sep    30    15-30% enhanced.
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: mostly near predicted monthly values, with some
night-time Sporadic E layer.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: 15-30% enhanced during the local day, with night-time
Spread F.

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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 30/2330Z AUGUST 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 30 AUGUST AND FORECAST FOR 31 AUGUST - 02 SEPTEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  77/16

GOES satellite data for 29 Aug
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   3.1E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 5.4E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A6.2
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             31 Aug             01 Sep             02 Sep
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 31 Aug:  78/17

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 29 Aug
    Learmonth        4  2221 1111
    Fredericksburg   6                          13
    Planetary       10                          14

Observed Kp for 29 Aug: 3344 2232
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
31 Aug     6    Quiet
01 Sep     6    Quiet
02 Sep     6    Quiet
COMMENT: Unsettled to active levels are expected 4-6 Sep, due to a
recurrent coronal hole.
-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
30 Aug      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
31 Aug      normal         normal         normal
01 Sep      normal         normal         normal
02 Sep      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
30 Aug    37    15-40% enhanced.

Predicted Monthly T index for August: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
31 Aug    35    15-40% enhanced.
01 Sep    35    15-40% enhanced.
02 Sep    35    15-40% enhanced.
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: mostly near predicted monthly values, with
regular Sporadic E layer.
Townsville MUFs:  mostly near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: mostly near predicted monthly values, with night-time
Spread F.

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:24 1995
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From: berthold@sx1 (Berthold Thewes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: JOTA 95
Date: 30 Aug 1995 10:17:53 GMT
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John Hunley ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <41kf83$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Tracy) writes:
: |> ...From the files of the ARRL email Info-Server (also on the Web page and
: |> FTP site):
: |>
: |> JAMBOREE ON THE AIR
: |>
: |>    [...]
: |>
: |> WORLD SCOUT FREQUENCIES
: |>
: |> Band   SSB (phone)
: |> 80 m    3.740 / 3.940 MHz
: |> 40 m    7.090 MHz
:            ^^^^^
: |> 20 m   14.290 MHz
: |> 17 m   18.140 MHz
: |> 15 m   21.360 MHz
: |> 12 m   24.960 MHz
: |> 10 m  *28.990 MHz
: |>
: |> *Note: On 10 meters, try 28.350 MHz, where US "Novice" class licensees may
: |> participate.
: |>
: |> Band   CW (Morse code)
: |> 80 m    3.590 MHz
: |> 40 m    7.030 MHz
: |> 20 m   14.070 MHz
: |> 17 m   18.080 MHz
: |> 15 m   21.140 MHz
: |> 12 m   24.910 MHz
: |> 10 m   28.190 MHz

: I assume the 40m SSB frequency is a typo, since 7.090 is in the CW portion of
: the band.  My guess is this should be 7.290 MHz.

: --

:                             John Hunley
:    Sr. Software Engineer               Ham Call:  AC6LN
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:    Anaheim, CA  92807                       FAX:  [phone]


Nope, this isn't a typo. As these frequencies are international they are
chosen according to the bandplans also of the other IARU-regions. So this
frequency is in the upper (!) part of the 40m-band in our region.
(40 m: 7.000 - 7.100 MHz, CW: 7.000-7.040, Phone: [phone])
--
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                                            DL3YEI @ DB0ACC-8.#NRW.DEU.EU


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:25 1995
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Subject: Locator - help
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Hello,
I'm creating a contest prog. and I would like to know how to have the
distance between two qra locators.
73, Pierre ON4KNN


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RMORGN)
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Subject: man needs help
Date: 30 Aug 1995 14:04:46 -0400
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I've been asked to repost the following message for a fellow ham...

Subj:   Re: Help with posting?
Date:   95-08-30 09:28:29 EDT
From:   [e-mail] (Christopher E. Brown)
To:     [e-mail] (Arjay Morgan)


Sorry to bother but could you post this for me?  The ISP's
nntp server likes to forget about incoming posts, have not
been able to get it to accept an article in near 2 weeks.



Subject: RCA MCA39AA11B Info needed
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Greeting all, I am looking for data on the final amp sections of an
RCA MCA38AA11B 155 mhz transciever.  I am turning it into a 2 meter
amp (give a bit of a boost to the HT) and am trying to find
safe drive levels etc...

The first trasnistor in the string is a

7794-1 7803
then a
7795-1 7815
then a
7796-1 7707
and finally a pair of
7797-1 7815

Would any of you have the specs on these avail?? I have tried to find
locally
but I do not have the books and hte local library is well short on
anything
electronic related.

Also there is a small pin on the bottow of the amp near the power inputs
that just runs to the circut board just to one side of the transistors.  I
assume this is the bias supply, if so how many volts are needed for proper
operation?  I assume bias should be applied only when the  amp has input
and
the output is connected to the feedl;ine via the relay.  Right??

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:29 1995
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Date: 29 Aug 1995 08:51:00 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Fritz Bohnet)
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Internet Ressources Guide Moderatoren wanted


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Moderators should have the following credentials:

- You must have a full Internet account.
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   Computers, Music , Gardening etc.
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- You should be prepared for high traffic volumes AND A LOT OF
   VOLUNTARY WORK:

What will your work as a moderator be like:

- You will contact site owners or administrators , listowners or usenet gro=
up
moderators for update information about their sites. These descriptions and
your own experience with sites you have visited will lead to better
descriptions of all sites in your field of experience.
- Besides that you will be the contact person of all IRD users who have
questions or problems concerning sites in your field of experience. So you+=
ll
be able to delete sites which have gone or to update your connecting advice.

What you will gain by joining our moderators team:

- High exposure on the Internet
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bradley Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NEED HELP WITH RF EMMISSIONS PROJECT!!!
Date: 30 Aug 1995 14:56:21 GMT
Organization: Renaissance Internet Services
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newsgroup.
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I am a high school student who's in the process of developing a
computational science project dealing with the conflict between RF
emmissions and motorized wheelchairs.  Being in a wheelchair myself, and
dealing with amateur radios, I know and have experienced the affect of a
wheelchair being around a transciever.  You know, all the buzzing and
static that comes across, like power lines.

If you have any experience with RF, or know of any good internet
references that deal with the subject, I would appreciate it if you would
e-mail me at [e-mail] with the info.

Thanks,
--
*************************************************************
   Bradley Walker          E-mail:  [e-mail]
   27702 Pepper Road          WWW:  http://ro.com/~bwalker
   Athens, Alabama          Voice:  [phone]
   USA 35611
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Stickler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need help with VOX/MIC/PTT interface circuit
Date: 30 Aug 1995 19:16:26 GMT
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Help!

I just bought one of the new Radio Shack VOX headsets, and it works
great with my HT, but I also plan to use it with my HF rig. I had no
problem hooking up the headphone and mic connections to the HF rig,
but the PTT has me stumped.

The HF rig has a stereo jack designed for use with an eletret PTT hand
microphone. The base sleeve is common ground for the MIC and PTT circuit, the
tip is the PTT connection and the center sleeve is the MIC connection which
also provides +8VDC for the eletret microphone element.

The headset has a mono plug. The base sleeve is ground for the MIC and the
tip is the MIC input. The headset provides its own power for the VOX
circuit and MIC, so the +8VDC from the rig is not needed and I've inserted
a capacitor in line to isolate the headset MIC from the rig power.

The problem is that when the VOX activates, the impedance between the
headset plug tip and sleeve drops from 4Kohm to 1Kohm -- which my HT is
happy with, but the HF rig is not and will not key the transmitter as
it doesn't sense a complete short between the PTT connector and ground.

It seems clear that what is needed is a relay circuit that senses the
change in impedance and activates a relay that keys the transmitter,
but what is the best way to do this?

Any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Patrick Stickler
[e-mail]





From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:32 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NKARC Hamfest
Date: 30 Aug 1995 05:32:46 GMT
Organization: Telebyte North West Silverdale, Wa
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The North kitsap Amateur Radio Club Hamfest and Swapmeet will be held Saturday, 30 September
1995, 0900 to 1600 in the President's Hall at the Kitsap County Fair Grounds in Bremerton Washington.
 Talk in on 145.310 KC7FA/R.

Admission is $4.00 at the door, no advanced sales.

Advanced reservations for tables are as follows:

Table: $15.00 each, includes one admission.  $20.00 after 1 September 1995.

Commercial Space:  $30.00 (8x10 feet).  $35.00 after 1 September 1995.

Set up is Friday, 29 September, 1800 to 2200 and Saturday, 30 September from 0600 to 0900.  The
area will be locked and patrolled (from outside) from 2200 on Friday until 0600 on Saturday.

Mail table reservation to: North Kitsap Amateur Radio Club
P.O. Box 2268
Silverdale, WA
98383-2268

Special needs?  Call [phone] or [phone]

Jeff Horn
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:33 1995
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Subject: NKARC Hamfest (0/1)
Date: 30 Aug 1995 05:13:11 GMT
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:34 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: NKARC Hamfest [fest.txt] (1/1)
Date: 30 Aug 1995 05:13:13 GMT
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:35 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: NKARC Hamfest [fest.txt] (1/1)
Date: 30 Aug 1995 05:16:09 GMT
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When I figure out what I did wrong, I'll tell ya!
 Joe



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Novice questions
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:40:52 GMT
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In article  [e-mail] (Marcel E. Durieux) writes:
>I'm a novice to the field of amateur radio, and have a few
>questions.  I read through the FAQs, but didn't get the answers
>I needed, so I'll do it this way.
>
>My brother is leaving to work in the bush in Africa, often at
>places where he will be away from a telephone for long times.
>We would like to keep frequent contact, and amateur radio is
>one of the things we are considering.  Here are some questions:
>
>1.  For me (in Virginia) to talk to him in Africa, what would
>be the appropriate frequency band to work on?  What licence
>would I need to operate on that frequency?

You have two choices, HF or satellite relay. The most likely
HF band would be 20 meters, but that varies with many factors
so you'd want some frequency agility to move up or down a
band as propagation dictates. A path also wouldn't be available
at all, at times. You'd need at least a General Class license
to do this. Satellite relay is another choice. Using the
amateur pacsats, which can store and forward Email, you could
keep in touch. This would require the Technician Class license.
The satellites are in low orbits, and you'd only get access to
any given one about twice a day, and so would he, but at a
different time, hence store and forward messaging.

>2.  What kind of equioment would I need to make that kind of
>connection, and how much (roughly) would it cost me?

Somewhat in excess of $1000 for each end in either case. It
could be $5000 or more if you go first cabin. You're looking
at a HF transceiver, amplifier, and antenna or a VHF/UHF
transceiver, amplifier, TNC, computer, and antenna for satellite.

>3.  HOw dependable would it be, i.e. would we reliably be able
>to make contact, or would it be weather dependent and such?  TO
>what extent is this fixable by a bigger (more expensive)
>transmitter/receiver?

HF paths depend on the ionosphere, which depends on the Sun,
and other factors. It may be solid for days, or unusable for
days, it depends. Time of day matters too. You won't have
24 hour access, only certain times of the day will the path
be open. Satellite depends on orbital geometry. Unlike HF
propagation, it is very predictable. You'll be able to
schedule contacts weeks or months in advance with confidence.

>I'd appreciate any useful comments you can generate.

The most useful comment I can make is that amateur radio
isn't a good substitute for the telephone network. You
generally won't save money. However, if you want to take
it up as a hobby, it's rewarding, and you *can* use it
as a telco substitute in many instances. Lugging a major
HF or satellite station around in the bush isn't extremely
feasible, however. You can do it, but it isn't easy.
A pacsat station is probably easier, since the antennas
can be small.

(I've ignored QRP CW operations as an option, here. I don't
think it fills the need expressed.)

Gary
--
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534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Marcel E. Durieux)
Subject: Novice questions
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Sender: Marcel E. Durieux, MD ([e-mail])
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 13:38:36 GMT
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Hi there!

I'm a novice to the field of amateur radio, and have a few
questions.  I read through the FAQs, but didn't get the answers
I needed, so I'll do it this way.

My brother is leaving to work in the bush in Africa, often at
places where he will be away from a telephone for long times.
We would like to keep frequent contact, and amateur radio is
one of the things we are considering.  Here are some questions:

1.  For me (in Virginia) to talk to him in Africa, what would
be the appropriate frequency band to work on?  What licence
would I need to operate on that frequency?

2.  What kind of equioment would I need to make that kind of
connection, and how much (roughly) would it cost me?

3.  HOw dependable would it be, i.e. would we reliably be able
to make contact, or would it be weather dependent and such?  TO
what extent is this fixable by a bigger (more expensive)
transmitter/receiver?

I'd appreciate any useful comments you can generate.

Marcel Durieux
([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alex Milne)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Operating in Australia
Date: 29 Aug 1995 18:53:01 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
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Shortly I will be vacationing in Australia. I have
made arrangements to obtain a VK call upon arriving
there. I plan tp operate on 2M FM so I would be
interested in knowing the 2M band plan for Australia.
I would also like to obtain a 2M rep[eater list for
my main area of travel which will be New South Wales.

Is there anyone in the Sydney area that I could
contact, either a fellow ham, a frequency coordinator,
or a club?  Perhaps there are club meetings being held
while I am there and I could attend.

Looking forward to operating as a VK.

73 Alex VE3KIY


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:41 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Operating in Australia
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 10:13:58 PDT
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In article <41vnmd$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:


> Shortly I will be vacationing in Australia. I have
> made arrangements to obtain a VK call upon arriving
> there. I plan tp operate on 2M FM so I would be
> interested in knowing the 2M band plan for Australia.
> I would also like to obtain a 2M rep[eater list for
> my main area of travel which will be New South Wales.
>
> Is there anyone in the Sydney area that I could
> contact, either a fellow ham, a frequency coordinator,
> or a club?  Perhaps there are club meetings being held
> while I am there and I could attend.
>
> Looking forward to operating as a VK.
>
> 73 Alex VE3KIY
>

-------------Response

Alex: The ARRL has an info package that should help you.

I have operated on 2m FM only once in VK and that was in
1987, so I do not recall much about it, except that their
2m splits are different than ours.

You can also obtain your license by mail.

73, Bob, W5KNE, VK9XN, ex-VK9YW and VI9XN




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Mandaville)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Operating in Mexico
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 21:47:07 +0600
Organization: Arizona Daily Star - AZSTARNET
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: sprite216.azstarnet.com

Can anyone give me a brief rundown on the procedure for obtaining a
reciprocal ham license for operating in Mexico?  I expect to enter by road
through Nogales and operate while camping in northern Sonora.  Is the
permit obtained by mail or in person, or both?  Thanks.  Jim (KG5KP)


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Marcial E. Lopez )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Operator license
Date: 30 Aug 1995 12:45:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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I have been wanting to get my operator lisence since I was very young.

I'm 33 now and still want to get it.  Can somebody help me out and give
the information I need.

I heard there is a software that shows you all you need.  Some body has
it ???


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Richard Rosenfeld)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: P.S. on Leukemia donations
Followup-To: poster
Date: 19 Jul 1995 14:22:37 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland College Park
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Xref: grape.epix.net rec.radio.swap:39719 rec.radio.amateur.misc:83260

I will also consider equipment donations, which I will try to sell at
local hamfests.  Upon sale of items, I'll email or call you as to how
much was received, etc., and forward the info to the Leukemia Society.

Thanks!
--
Member, Leukemia Society's "Team in Training." | Tax-deductible contributions
Run/walk in Bermuda Marathon, Jan. 12-15, 1996 | accepted and welcome.  Email
-----------------------------------------------| or call for more info.  All
Scott Rosenfeld  Burtonsville MD  301-549-1022 | sponsors welcomed.  Thanks!


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Hawkins)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Phonetic Alphabet
Date: 30 Aug 1995 20:00:50 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell
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Distribution: usa
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A couple of years ago I saw a posting of a phonetic alphabet where
all of the words had a different sound than the letter the stood for.
Example the word for the letter E was Eunuch.  If anyone has a copy of
this I would appreciate a copy by Email.
Thanks Steve WV6U  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:46 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Racist hams in Germany
Date: 30 Aug 1995 13:22:37 GMT
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[e-mail] (Emarit Ranu) wrote:
>
>       Burt...
>       If you suggest that being a citizen of a country whose government
>       is "racist" makes the citizen racist him/herself you need to
>       reevaluate your method of thinking.

Birds of a feather flock together.
(there are EXCEPTIONS but they are only exceptions).


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From: [e-mail] (Mike Musick)
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Subject: Re: Ramsey Electronics Fox Kit FHT-1
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 11:27:23 -0500
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> I just finished building a Sly Fox Fox-Hunt Transmitter Kit from Ramsey
> Electronics (FHT-1).

Richard -

Interesting. This kit was delayed from release for many, many months. I'm
happy to hear that it's out and that you had good results. You're
absolutely right, Ramsey kits are not for first-timers. I also hope that
you were able to use a spectrum analyzer to perform the final tune-up;
this particular circuit is not spectrally clean unless carefully tweaked.

Did you get another crystal for a frequency besides the advertised
146.520? The people at Ramsey were told a number of times that putting an
automatic - much less potentially unattended - beacon transmitter on the
National 2m Calling Channel was a really, really poor idea.
  ...mm

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:49 1995
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>On Sun, 20 Aug 1995, Ronald L. Barrett wrote:
> I'd like to find a manufacturer of an rf-powered ID device that has no
> external power requirement, but is powered by an incoming microwave burst,
it then
> responds with a brief transmission on another frequency -- usually giving a
> brief message, like an ID number.
> >>
These devices generally use a technique called passive RF backscatter.
Allmost anything will reflect or re-radiate RF energy, especially in the UHF
and higher regions.  These devices can operate on very low power because they
do not actually transmit back to the interrogator, they simply modulate the
signal reflected off of it's own antenna.  One company that builds such
devices is Amtech located in Dallas Texas.  They build both RF powered and
battery powered devices.  The problem with the RF powered device is that the
range is severely limited.  This is really a problem if you want a device that
operates license free under Part 15 of the FCC rules.  I recently designed a
system that uses a very small lithium cell for power.  The CMOS ASIC draws so
little power during standby ( 0.4uA ), that the battery will last over 5
years.  This system operates on 915MHz and is compliant with FCC part 15.245.
It is currently in production and is being sold by a company in Louisiana.
Contact me if you need more info.
George Carlson, Geotek Design Services




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:50 1995
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From: Bill Meahan <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: RF-Powered ID Device
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[e-mail] (Ronald L. Barrett) wrote:
>I'd like to find a manufacturer of an rf-powered ID device that has no external power requirement, but is powered by an incoming mi=
crowave burst, it then responds with a brief transmission on another frequency -- usually giving a brief message, like an ID number.=

>
>Does this ring a bell with anyone? Would be interested in any technical referrences or mfgrs offering them for sale.

Similar technology is widely used in industry for tracking things on
conveyors, etc.  Allen-Bradley (one of the largest industrial controls
manufacturers in the world) has a line of such devices and distributors
and sales offices all over the world.  Look in the Yellow Pages.

Caveat:  it ain't cheap.

--
Bill Meahan  [e-mail]
Ford Motor Company -- End User Support - North America
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>
> I believe they are called AEI tags in the railroad industry.  They are
commonly used to tag cars and can be read at high
> speed by trackside scanners.  Sorry I don't have any manufacture info for
you but railroads might be another place
> to look for leads...

Amtech in Dallas builds the tags for the railroads.




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael G. Bushnell )
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Subject: Scanner Modification
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What modification's are avaible for the Bearcat BC3000XLT , if any ?
Yhank you for any help you can provide.

                                            Da Lizard



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:54 1995
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Subject: Re: Scanner Modifications

>>>...instructions on how to modify your scanner...to pick up
>>>cellular phones...

>It amazes me how blatantly people advertise the fact that they condone
>the commission of felonies....

CURT>>Before being so "amazed", try to get your facts straight:
CURT>>For the 10,000th time... is NOT illegal to own a scanner than can
CURT>>receive ("pick up") cellular frequencies...

And in no manner, shape, or form did I say such.

But tell me, Curt, would someone modify their units "to pick up cellular
phones" and then NOT dial 'em in?


Clint Bradford
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Finley)
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Last night (Monday), I heard an interesting station on 30 meters.

It was on 10.1225 MHz, and came on the air at about 0100Z (Tuesday).
A CW station, it repeated WNNRG for a few minutes, then sent AUI
a couple of times, then began sending 5-character code groups.

I think I recall hearing this station before, but this was the
first time I actually bothered to sit and copy it for any time.

Anybody know what this is?

Dave Finley, N1IRZ
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (phil reed)
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Subject: Re: Secret Station on 30 Meters?
Date: 30 Aug 1995 01:30:43 GMT
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In article <41v78h$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>
>Last night (Monday), I heard an interesting station on 30 meters.
>
>It was on 10.1225 MHz, and came on the air at about 0100Z (Tuesday).
>A CW station, it repeated WNNRG for a few minutes, then sent AUI
>a couple of times, then began sending 5-character code groups.
>
>I think I recall hearing this station before, but this was the
>first time I actually bothered to sit and copy it for any time.
>
>Anybody know what this is?

Congratulations. You've found a numbers station. The 5 character
groups you heard are actually cut numbers. The best supposition is
that those are transmissions to spies, using one-time pads to decode
the message. (At least, that's the most entertaining.) Nobody knows
what those things really are except the governments, and they aren't
talking.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Erik K.Sorgatz)
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In article <420f03$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (phil reed) writes:
>In article <41v78h$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>Last night (Monday), I heard an interesting station on 30 meters.
>>
>>It was on 10.1225 MHz, and came on the air at about 0100Z (Tuesday).
>>A CW station, it repeated WNNRG for a few minutes, then sent AUI
>>a couple of times, then began sending 5-character code groups.
>>
>>I think I recall hearing this station before, but this was the
>>first time I actually bothered to sit and copy it for any time.
>>
>>Anybody know what this is?
>
>Congratulations. You've found a numbers station. The 5 character
>groups you heard are actually cut numbers. The best supposition is
>that those are transmissions to spies, using one-time pads to decode
>the message. (At least, that's the most entertaining.) Nobody knows
>what those things really are except the governments, and they aren't
>talking.
>

 Also, if you do manage to thunt the station down, do not be surprised
at the fact that some form of military person will run you out of the area
with a firearm in hand! This happened to me here in Ca! These people, whoever
they are, seem to have no fucking sense of humor at all and are not one little
bit interested in your hanging out or asking any questions whatsoever. Another
tip; dont bring a camera!

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:14:59 1995
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FOR SALE: Grundig SAT 700, 3 mo old, $300 shipped
Bearcat 9000 XLT W/GRE 800 MHZ Conv, 4 Mo old, $325 shipped
Kenwood TS440SAT xcell cond ,20 million S/N $650 Shipped
Ameritron AL80B amp, 3 MO OLD $725 shipped
Sangean ATS818 shortwave receiver, good cond $75 shipped

PH 317-724-3178 DeWayne AA9AF or write to :

                               DeWayne Planck
                               1407 Lincoln Ave, Lot 4
                               Alexandria, IN 46001

[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:00 1995
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Subject: The Hamblaster Moon Filter
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The moon filter is DOS software package that includes a binary file.
A binary file is actually software that is uploaded to the Hamblaster.
Once it's loaded into the DSP RAM,   The DSP runs a filter program
and communicates to the PC via the Hamblaster handshake port.

Here's some technical data

moon.doc 21:04:23  5/30/1995

The moon filter is a very narrow band linear phase filter capable of
producing a 1 Hz bandwidth with a transition region of 1/2 Hz providing 60
dB attenuation.  The bandwidth is adjustable in powers of 2 providing a
maximum filter bandwidth of 256 Hz with 128 Hz transition region.

The filter center frequency is tunable in fractional Hz increments.

The filter can be phase locked to the input signal to provide variable
bandwidth tracking of the input signal as the frequency drifts due to
the variation in propagation delay due to atmospherics or due to
receiver or transmitter instability.

A "cartwheel" tuning display provides important filter tuning information
at a glance and also is useful for displaying signal strength.  Three
oscilloscope
displays are also available.

The Signal to Guard is a dual trace display that shows the signal strength
verses
guard band.   It's useful for analyzing band conditions and  sweeps in
real time
using a 486-66 DX2 with the turbo button turned off.

The Signal Vs AGC is a dual trace display for checking the AGC level.   It
will be
used to adjust the ACG (an AGC control will be available in a future
version)

The Signal vs Tuning is a dual trace display for accurately tuning the
filters center
frequency.  The tune trace indicates dc voltage level of  the
discriminator algorithm
and when the voltage is too high or low,  the filter is mis-tuned

There's also a code regenerator that works very well even when a 32 Hz
filter is selected.
The regenerator is an oscillator that's keyed with a signal detector.
When it's enabled,
the background noise and filter ringing is completely removed.    It's the
first regenerating
filter that works well with weak signals.


Other controls include;  volume, input gain, filter tune, filter bandwidth
and display

Jack Albert WA9FVP


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Subject: Re: The real HI HI (HI HI).
Date: 31 Aug 1995 06:54:09 GMT
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In article <422dg2$[e-mail]>,
Burt Fisher  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>OOTC?

Anyone who wants to be able to call the QCWA guys young sprouts should
join the Old Old Timers Club. All it takes is 40 or more years being
a ham. I'm not all that old, just precocious. If Mom didn't change my
diapers, I would have gotten *5* minutes of solid CW copy.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:02 1995
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Date: 30 Aug 1995 18:32:33 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:

> BF> Can someone tell me why hams say the above in VOICE conversation?

>    6.  "HI HI" - I'm trying to laugh, but I don't know how.

7. When utterred by Japanese hams, literally means yes, yes.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


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[e-mail] wrote:

>73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)

OOTC?


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
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Subject: The real HI HI (HI HI).
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In article <422dg2$[e-mail]> Burt writes:

  > [e-mail] wrote:
  >
  > >73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)
  >
  > OOTC?

  Old Old Timers Club. You know, the people that refer to the QCWA as kids.

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:06 1995
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Subject: The real Lid
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HOW TO SOUND LIKE A LID by Rusty Bumpers, N4LID
    On two meters lately, I have noticed a tendency of people making a
concerted effort to sound like a lid.  Since this appears to be the new
style in Amateur Radio, I thought I would present this handy guide to radio
nerd-dom.  The following is what I call:  "How to sound like a LID in one
easy lesson."
    Step One:  Use as many Q signals as possible.  Yes, I know they were
invented solely for CW and are totally inappropriate for 2 meter FM, but
they're fun and entertaining.  They keep people guessing as to what you
really meant.  I.E. "I'm going to QSY to the Phone".  Can you really change
frequency to the phone?  QSL used to mean "I am acknowledging receipt", but
now it appears to mean "yes" or "OK".  I guess I missed it when the ARRL
changed the meaning.  Also, it's best to use OK and QSL together.
Redundancy is the better part of Lid-dom.
    Step Two:  Never laugh, when you can say "hi hi".  No one will ever know
you aren't a long time CW ragchewer if you don't tell them.  They'll think
you've been on since the days of Marconi.
    Step Three:  Utilize an alternative vocabulary.  Use words like
"destinated" and "negatory".  It's OK to make up your own words here.  "Yea
Bill, I pheelbart zaphonix occasionally myself."
    Step Four:  Always say "XX4XXX" (insert your own call) "for I.D."  As
mentioned in Step One, anything that creates redundancy is always strongly
encouraged.  That's why we have the Department of Redundancy Department.
(Please note that you can follow your call with "for identification
purposes" instead of "for I.D."  While taking longer to say, it is worth
more lid-points.)
    Step Five:  The better the copy on 2 meter FM, the more you should
phonetically spell your name, especially if it is a short and/or common one.
 I.E. "My name is Al...Alpha Lima" or "Jack...Juliett Alpha Charlie Kilo."
If at all possible, make up unintelligible phonetics.  "My name is
Bob...Billibong Oregano Bumperpool."
    Step Six:  Always give the calls of yourself and everyone who is (or has
been) in the group, whether they are still there or not.  While this has
been unnecessary for years, it is still a wonderful memory test.
    Step Seven:  Whenever possible, use the wrong terminology.  It keeps
people guessing.  Use "modulation" when you mean "deviation" and vice-versa.
    Step Eight:  If someone asks for a break, always finish your turn,
talking as long as possible before turning it over.  Whenever possible, pass
it around a few times first.  This will discourage the breaker and, if it is
an emergency, will encourage him to switch to another repeater and not
bother you.
    Step Nine:  Always ask involved questions of the person who is trying to
sign out.  Never let him get by with a yes or no answer.  Make it a question
that will take a long time to answer.
    Step Ten:  The less you know about a subject, the more you should
speculate about it on the air.  The amount of time spent on your
speculations should be inversely proportional to your knowledge of the
subject.
    Step Eleven:  If someone on the repeater is causing interference, you
should talk about that person at great length, making sure to comment on at
least 4 out of 6 of the following:  (1) His mental state;  (2) His family;
(3) His intelligence, or lack of same;  (4) His sexual preference;  (5) His
relationship to small animals;  (6) His other methods of self entertainment.
    Step Twelve:  If you hear two amateurs start a conversation on the
repeater, wait until they are 20 seconds into their contact, and then
break-in to use the patch.  Make sure that it's only a simple routine phone
call.  It's also very important that you run the autopatch for the full
three minutes.  This way, once the two re-establish contact, they won't even
remember what they were talking about.
    Step Thirteen:  You hear someone on the repeater giving directions to a
visiting amateur.  Even if the directions are good, make sure you break-in
with your own "alternate route but better way to get there" version.  This
is most effective if several other LID trainees join in, each with a
different route.  By the time the amateur wanting directions unscrambles all
the street names whizzing around in his head, he should have mobiled out of
range of the repeater.  This keeps you from having to stick around and help
the guy get back out of town later.
    These thirteen easy steps should put you well on the way to Lid-hood.  I
hope these helpful hints will save you some time in your quest to sound like
the perfect Lid.
    73,
    Rusty Bumpers, N4LID

    (Rusty Bumpers is a pen name.  He maintains anonymity so he can sit
peacefully at club meetings and avoid the wrath (and breath) of the
uninformed.)

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel)
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Subject: Re: The real Lid
Date: 30 Aug 1995 21:01:49 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>
>Downloaded from RelayNet by K1OIK
>
>
>HOW TO SOUND LIKE A LID by Rusty Bumpers, N4LID
>    On two meters lately, I have noticed a tendency of people making a
>concerted effort to sound like a lid.  Since this appears to be the
new
>style in Amateur Radio, I thought I would present this handy guide to
radio
>nerd-dom.  The following is what I call:  "How to sound like a LID in
one
>easy lesson."
>    Step One:  (Long text has been deleted)

>    Step Thirteen:  You hear someone on the repeater giving directions
to a
>visiting amateur.  Even if the directions are good, make sure you
break-in
>with your own "alternate route but better way to get there" version.
This
>is most effective if several other LID trainees join in, each with a
>different route.  By the time the amateur wanting directions
unscrambles all
>the street names whizzing around in his head, he should have mobiled
out of
>range of the repeater.  This keeps you from having to stick around and
help
>the guy get back out of town later.
>    These thirteen easy steps should put you well on the way to
Lid-hood.  I
>hope these helpful hints will save you some time in your quest to
sound like
>the perfect Lid.
>    73,
>    Rusty Bumpers, N4LID
>
>    (Rusty Bumpers is a pen name.  He maintains anonymity so he can
sit
>peacefully at club meetings and avoid the wrath (and breath) of the
>uninformed.)

Let me add:

Step 14: If you are over 50 years in age and someone ask you "how is
everything going", or "How have you been", be sure and go into a long
boring description of every sickness that you have or have ever had.
Make sure you explain in detail all the gory details and how stupid the
doctor.  If you are a REAL LID, this one sided discussion should take
no less than 45 minutes.  If the person you are talking to changes the
subject, you are a true LID if you always bring the discussion back to
your aches, pains, cancer, your wife's medical and female problems,
etc.  Remember a true LID sticks to the boring medical discussion and
never talks about anything interesting.




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:08 1995
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Subject: The real Wayne Green.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 10:10:01 EST
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     It is one thing to one thing to be a preacher of unpopular causes
but one ought to be one of character when one preaches character and
strength. Wayne Green in his magazine would make you think he is the
LOrd and can save us all-if we would only listen to him. Much of what he
says in his column, if implemented, would save this country and amateur
radio. It is unfortunate that the man is all BS. At the last two New
England A.R.R.L. Conventions his entire presentation was self serving.
His presentation was filled with his accomplishments in the area of CDs
(music), his new book on declaring war on our economy, his
accomplishments as a DXer and his phoney call to action for the young in
amateur radio. When he tells you of his exploits as a rare DX station,
he also tells you how he worked stations in the thousands in a few
hours- of course he also encourages his listeners to TALK to DX stations
not just a 30 second signal report contact. Thus I guess when Wayne
decides to get on a "QSO run" that is OK, but the rest of us must live
by Wayne's preaching? His interest has nothing to do with saving
America, helping our youth and/or amateur radio. His interest is in
making more money for Wayne Green and he knows his audience of docile
hams will never speak up. He tells us of how he was on this governors
committee and that commission BUT he is all talk, no actual action. He
further supports many of his arguments with half truths (as lawyers say
"facts not in evidence").

      Wayne is not as stuffy as the old men from the A.R.R.L. but at
least those men are real men. Let me leave you with this quote from
Charles E. Wilson:

                 I have always liked bird dogs
                 better than kennel fed dogs
                 myself-you know, one that will
                 get out and hunt for food rather
                 than sit on his fanny and yell.

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:09 1995
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From: [e-mail]  (Gary Hosler - KN0Z)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The real Wayne Green.
Date: 30 Aug 1995 18:07:09 GMT
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You have a much higher opinion of Mr. Green than I do!  If the
quality of the magazine is any measure of the man, then there
may be a trend.  Look at a copy of 73 from the late 70's &
early 80's compared to the trash produced today!  If I see one
more article on how to build a J-Pole I'll lose it altogether!
Wayne has been reading his own stuff for so long that he is
actually starting to believe it.  The only thing that Wayne is
interested in improving is his balance sheet.  After all,..his
ego couldn't get any larger.



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:10 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: This week in Amateur Radio should report about...
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In <[e-mail]>, Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]> writes:
>Thanks for the intelligent response to a rather stupid question!
>-
>It is technology, and it moves forward at a dizzying speed.  What has me
>worried that someone with an "ibm.com" address has yet to figure it out!!  Of
>course,
>no call sign was given by the original author, so such comments from the
>unlicensed are best ignored!!
>-
>One other thing, no one is offering to take over as our "News Director"...
>-
>73 de Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB
>Executive Producer/Host - "This Week in Amateur Radio"
>Stillwater, NY

Stephan,

Ok, ok.  So I posed the question such that it could be taken not as I meant
it.

What I was saying was that I tune into TWIAR to hear about amateur radio.
Long drawn out reports of typewriter makers having finanical problems seem a
little off topic, and since I don't use a typewriter to check into the
local 2 meter net...

I DO know that microprocessors of many forms are used in our hobby.
Gary gave a nice set of examples.

Its nice of you to assume that I am some kind of _____ (insert insult here)
just because of where I work.  A lot of people with all kinds of talents and
skills work here, many smarter and higher paid than you.

73

Rick



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:11 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: This week in Amateur Radio should report about...
Date: 30 Aug 1995 01:41:08 GMT
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Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>  Of
>course,
>no call sign was given by the original author, so such comments from the
>unlicensed are best ignored!!
 ^^^^^^^^^^
What?

Sheezz - you want a social security number instead?  Since when is a call
sign required to give an amateur radio Usenet posting any credibility?
Last time I checked there was no requirement to use an assigned callsign
here at all - let alone every ten minutes.

I did about three minutes of research and came up with KF4AEE.  I don't
know if it's the *right* Rick Smith in Florida but it didn't take long to
find it.  Besides - callsigns identify stations, not operators - but we
seem to forget that.

--
Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Jessup)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: This week in Amateur Radio should report about...
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 10:36:53 UNDEFINED
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Hi Gary!!

[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) said...

>And amateur builders and designers have replaced the slide rule with a
>computer for the most part today as well.

It's surprising that I still play with my old Picket slide rule (vintage
1974) given that I am reluctant to learn CW beyond 5 WPM!

Actually, I'm surprised calculators are not BANNED (in favor of slide rules)
on all amateur radio theory exams given the morbid fascination with CW!

Kevin, n9sqb (inactive)
Yep...I still lurk, and rarely post.


--
[e-mail]
http://www.mei.com


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Aaron Morrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: TM-742A
Date: 30 Aug 1995 22:17:28 GMT
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Rick Edwards ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I have a new 742A. It is a great radio!  I enjoy it very much.
: However, I do have a couple of questions that I can't seem to find the
: answer to in the manual. Maybe you can help me.

: 1) When using the autodialer, the button sequence is PTT, PF, & then the
: autodialer memory number (#1 in my case).  The transmitter turns on when
: the PTT is pressed, of course, but then turns off when the PF button is
: pressed and then back on for the DTMF string. However, there is no (or
: very little) pause between the transmitter turn on and the sending out
: of DTMF. I use two repeater autopatches and neither of them likes this
: and it _usually_ results in a misdial.  Question: Is there anyway to
: add a pause or a brief wait between the transmitter turning back on and
: the output of DTMF?

As I remember, the '*' or '#' key produces a pause, but I don't have the
man here and I don't use this feature much.  (for all I know, those keys
produce '*' or '#' tones! <grin>)


: 2) When using the 742A in a crossband repeat mode between a 220
: repeater and my 2m HT, I have to wait for the 220 repeater to drop
: before I can transmit.  This becomes a real drag when on a roundtable
: on the 220 repeater and it has a long hang time.  Is there anyway
: around this?  Is there a way to make the 742A act like a single
: frequency repeater on the 2m side (ie. sample the receive every few
: hundred milliseconds)?

One way to do this is to put the 742 in a one-way crossband mode and
listen to the output on the handheld (assuming you have a handheld
capable of listening on 220 in your example.)

The only other way that I know of is to enable CTCSS decode on the 742
and hope that the repeater passes tones, i.e., only transmit a tone
when the input is active.  In this way, when the other users are done
talking, the CTCSS decode squelches the radio thereby switches to a
listening mode on the other input.  Otherwise you are stuck with the
squelch tail of the repeater!

: Thanks....<re>
: ---
:  * QMPro 1.50 41-9162 * Ever notice the AT&T symbol looks like the Death Star?

---
[e-mail]
Orlando, FL         If you apply the super-string theory
                    to a rubber-sheet universe, do you get a bungee cord?

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rick Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TM-742A
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:41:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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I have a new 742A. It is a great radio!  I enjoy it very much.
However, I do have a couple of questions that I can't seem to find the
answer to in the manual. Maybe you can help me.

1) When using the autodialer, the button sequence is PTT, PF, & then the
autodialer memory number (#1 in my case).  The transmitter turns on when
the PTT is pressed, of course, but then turns off when the PF button is
pressed and then back on for the DTMF string. However, there is no (or
very little) pause between the transmitter turn on and the sending out
of DTMF. I use two repeater autopatches and neither of them likes this
and it _usually_ results in a misdial.  Question: Is there anyway to
add a pause or a brief wait between the transmitter turning back on and
the output of DTMF?

2) When using the 742A in a crossband repeat mode between a 220
repeater and my 2m HT, I have to wait for the 220 repeater to drop
before I can transmit.  This becomes a real drag when on a roundtable
on the 220 repeater and it has a long hang time.  Is there anyway
around this?  Is there a way to make the 742A act like a single
frequency repeater on the 2m side (ie. sample the receive every few
hundred milliseconds)?

Thanks....<re>
---
 * QMPro 1.50 41-9162 * Ever notice the AT&T symbol looks like the Death Star?


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:15 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Unblocking a Kenwood
Date: 28 Aug 1995 23:42:30 GMT
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Hans Brakob <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Mygawd, this argument is STILL going on?

Yeah - but this one only crops up every couple of months for a week or
so. Unlike everytime I look at .policy and see 80% of the postings are
under three or four different threads - all arguing about code
requirement.  You can stick a fork in that one - it's done folks!

--
Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Subject: Re: Unblocking a Kenwood
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Grant Youngman <[e-mail]> sed:


:>I've always maintained that if the folks who spend all their time grousing about
:>code would take 10% of that time and actually practice it, they'd all be winning
:>speed contests at their local hamfest ....  ;-)

:>Grant/NQ5T

Yeah!  And how can one win a QLF contest with no knowledge of code?  Geez!


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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas C Sefranek)
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Subject: Re: Unblocking a Kenwood
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Good reply Clark,
                 I am CONSTANTLY having to use my "un-blocked" TS-440S as
a synthsized HF generator (all modes).  I used my IC-2AT and W2A "un-blocked"
as a stable 99-999 Mhz source.  After all I paid for these I EXPECT to use
them as often as possible.  But then I might be in the minority,
actually fixing and building...

Tom

--
Thomas C. J. Sefranek  WA1RHP  Work: 508-425-2200


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:18 1995
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I Unix were little guys that had their front end detuned



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John N0ISL)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: US Islands Award Program, August 25 Newsletter
Date: 29 Aug 1995 21:32:13 -0400
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From: NL7TB@WA7EAQ.#EWA.WA.USA.NOAM
To  : ISLDX@ALLUSA



       official packet bulletin for the
       *********************************************************
       I      UNITED STATES ISLANDS AWARDS PROGRAM (US I)      *
       S                     c/o John Reisenauer, NL7TB                  *
       L        Rt. 2  Box 2161, Benton City, WA 99320              *
       *                                                       *
       *                US Islands ARC "KC7KHU"                          D
       *             US I Last Frontier ARC "WL7CND"                   X
       *********************************************************
                                                  August 25, 1995

         We have several new islands that have been pre-qualified.
       Thanks to Fernand, VE2FVD, for the list.  Here they are:
       Key West  (FL-40S)  Santa Catalina  (CA-16S)  Baker's (MA-09S)
       James  (SC-05S)  Edisto  (SC-06S) and Dauphin  (AL-02S).

         Page, WA3EOP, has another island activated- East Chincoteague
      (VA-02S)!  Thanks for your efforts OM and for informing us about
      two Chincoteague Islands.  West Chincoteague has been assigned
      VA-03S.  This must be Virginia week, also please add Assateague
      Island, VA-04S, recently activated by John, K8SCH/4.  John also
      mentioned some fresh water islands near his QTH.  Go-for-it OM!
      If you come across a saltwater island IOTA qualified but not in

      the US I Island List, just let me know.  Some islands not meet-
      ing IOTA rules could count for US I as long as they meet the
      distance rule.

        I was pleased to hear from one of our SC's, John, N0ISL who
      activated another "new one" from Minnesota.  Minnesota Point Isl-
      and, on Lake Superior near Duluth, is registered as MN-03L.
      John along with AA0TR, N0WEM and N0RPP worked 5 countries from
      there!

         I received some photos and QSLs from Garry, VE3XN, founder of
      the Canadian Islands Awards program (CISA).  Very impressive look-
      ing CISA plaques were received by VE3NSZ (Ernie), KA2PHQ (Dick)
      and WD8MGQ (John)- all well known "island chasers"!  Ernie and
      Dick were smiling proudly with their ISLAND ACTIVATOR AWARD OF
      EXCELLENCE and John with his 300+ ISLAND AWARD.  Hey guys, how
      about putting on some state islands?  The US I certificates are
      very patriotic looking with an island theme (hint hint).

         Don't miss the W/VE Island Contest September 23 and 24.  All
      you have to do to receive a certificate is to submit a contest
      entry form along with $5.00 (US funds) and a certificate-sized
      SASE.  See you in the pileups!
                                73, good island DXing
                                    John, NL7TB


Reposted from Packet by N0ISL...

John Douglas, N0ISL
AX.25 N0ISL@KZ7I.#MSP.MN.USA.NOAM
I'm in Minnesota only because I must be somewhere!


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:21 1995
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Subject: Vintage Radio Manuals FS
Date: 30 Aug 1995 09:31:57 -0400
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Vintage Radio Manuals FS

Prices include postage in U.S.

reply email [e-mail]

A.R.R.L. Antenna Book.  Newington, Connecticut: The American Radio
Relay League, 1964; 10th edition, 2nd printing. Paper cover, 330
pages, index, illustrated.  Cover worn, otherwise very good condition.
$12

A.R.R.L. Antenna Book.  Newington, Connecticut: The American Radio
Relay League, 1984; 14th edition, 3rd printing. Paper cover, 327
pages, index, illustrated.  Excellent condition.  $12

Audel's Radioman's Guide: Theory, Construction and Servicing,
Including Television, Electronics.  New York: Theo. Audel, 1948.
Flexible black cover, 880 pages, illustrated, very good condition.  $20

Same as above, red cover, 1944, excellent condition, $25

Marcus, Abraham.  Elements of Radio.  Englewood Cliffs: Prentice-Hall,
1958; 3rd edition, 7th printing.  Hard cover, 771 pages, index,
illustrated.  $16

Moyer, James A., and John F. Wostrel. Practical Radio Construction and
Repairing.  New York:  McGraw-Hill, 1927; 1st edition, 2nd impression.
Hard cover, 319 pages, index, glossary, 157 illustrations. $20

Popular Science.  Everybody's Radio Manual:  How to Build and Repair
Radio Receivers.  New York:  Popular Science Publishing, 1944; 4th
printing.  Hard cover, 256 pages, index, 184 illustrations.  $15





From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: WANTED: Gonset Comm. IV man./schematic
Date: 28 Aug 95 15:36:02 -0800
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Hello.  I would like either the original or a photocopy of a manual
including schematic for the Gonset Communicator IV 2m AM rig.  Also,
I have a friend who is interested in the same for the Communicator III.

Please email me.

Thanks and 73--
Ken


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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Schaps)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Where to donate used QST's?
Date: 30 Aug 1995 17:44:53 -0400
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My XYL is after me to get rid of my old QST, Amsat newsletters, etc.
Rather than throw them out, can someone suggest a worthwhile group or
school that would appreciate them?

Please provide a contact name and complete mailing address.

TIA

73,

Bob WB2NVR

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Norman Zaremba)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Why "hi hi" is really used.
Date: 29 Aug 1995 21:57:32 GMT
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Isn't it the only thing that the first OSCAR satellite repeatedly
transmitted using A1A?


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           *** Paul Zaremba - Product Engineering - TDM, Inc. ****
                       Urbana, IL / State College, PA
     RF Devices, Photonics, SCoPTiC, AL/TENS, AV Processing and more....
                          email: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:24 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Why "hi hi" is really used.
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[e-mail] (Paul Norman Zaremba) wrote:
>
>Isn't it the only thing that the first OSCAR satellite repeatedly
>transmitted using A1A?

No no, it transmitted, "For ID"
Or was it "QSL via buro"
Or was it "The name HERE is"

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                               [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John N0ISL)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Why "hi hi" is really used.
Date: 29 Aug 1995 21:22:27 -0400
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
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The early telegraphers sent "HO HO" to each other to indicate a laugh. In
the American Morse, H is di-di-di-dit, just as now. "O" on the other hand
is sent dit small space dit. IE not .. but . .    So HO HO would be
....   . .   . .   ....   . .   . ., Thus  Ho Ho becomes HiHi in
International Morse..
Not a big thing, but some fun trivia.. 73 John N0ISL/UA4LIS/UB5WJD
John Douglas, N0ISL
AX.25 N0ISL@KZ7I.#MSP.MN.USA.NOAM
I'm in Minnesota only because I must be somewhere!


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:26 1995
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From: "Murray S. Tucker" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Why "hi hi" is really used.
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 01:09:40 -0600
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I thought HI meant humour intended.
73  de  VE6MT



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Soo-Hoo)
Subject: Re: Will Airport Security all
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey A. Harvey) writes:
>Tony Pelliccio ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: I suppose you might have a point there. But wouldn't folks engineer systems
>: that aren't that susceptible to interference?
>
>"Waddaya mean I can't use my 160m California-kilowatt inside this plane?
> Geesh! I've already got the long wire strung up-n-down the aisle.  Gosh
> darn it, I got skeds to keep!  Can't the stupid engineers design these
> planes properly?"
>
And I suppose before he unpacks his long wire he says, "Excuse me while I
whip this out"?

--
Attention Star Fleet Surplus Shoppers!!  There will be a special on
anti-matter, photon torpedoes casings, and trilithium resin on
aisle 4 level 10.  And please do NOT service your spaceships or assemble
items purchased in the parking lot... And will the owner of the Nova Class
starship, ship registry NCC-1701E please turn off your phasers?


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 95 - You need a license...
Date: 28 Aug 1995 16:10:38 GMT
Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG
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>Unix isn't an operating system... it's a disease!  :)

... and Windoze'95 a virus.

Moritz DL5UH



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 95 - You need a license...
Date: 28 Aug 1995 18:07:52 GMT
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In article <41spn9$[e-mail]>,
Rich M1110 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Well  -- After a little effort, I figured it out.  How to get the
>short-cuts (icons) on the desk top.
>
>       1.  Access the Windows Explorer
>       2.  Selected the Drive letter that holds the program file (folder)
>you want on the desk top
>       3.  Select View from the Tile Bar and then Options.
>       4.  Remove the check-mark from Hide MS-DOS file extensions....and
>OK
>       5.  Select the executable file (*.exe) that starts the program
>       6.  Drag and Drop that file to the desk top

(chop chop chop...)

>An Icon should appear on the desk top.  Example: Short-cut to winword.exe.
> Select the Icon and press the right mouse button.  Select "Rename" from
>the pop-up window.  Short-cut to winword.exe will be highlighted.  Type in
>a new name -- Word 6.0 for example.  The Icon (short-cut) can be removed

(greatly shortened...)

>features.  The other changes in the Item Box are Icon Spacing (up & down).
> To rearrange Icons on the desk top, select the desk top with right mouse
>button (area of no icons) and select *Arrange Icons.
>
>OK- Super Hams, we are having fun now.

Perfectly intuitive, eh?
I'm goin' over the the Johnson's ... They have a Mac  ;-)

-73, John

--
___________________________________________________________________________
John A Minger    KE6DTC          Opinions expressed are those of the author
Los Angeles, CA                  and not those of anyone or anything else.


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:30 1995
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Warning: Intel Inside




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:31 1995
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Yup the Gates of Hell !!!




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 17:15:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (C e Strobel)
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Subject: ZK1XC October 1991 - NOT MANAGER
Date: 30 Aug 1995 01:46:23 GMT
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Effective September 1, 1995, I WILL NO LONGER ACCEPT QSL
CARDS for WQ7R Ray Cameron who operated ZK1XC during
October 1991.

Ray has not contacted me since his last call from Moscow,
Russia a year ago.  He's never sent me a forwarding address
for his cards that I have received.  He was lax even before
keeping in touch with his address.  I don't know his current
whereabouts.

If you've sent a card in the past 12 months, I still have
it, waiting to be forwarded...sometime...somewhere.

I DO NOT have the logs...I acted ONLY as a maildrop.

Chuck Strobel K6PBT






From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:20 1995
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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 12:06:00 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Roger Cravens)
Subject: 2 Meter Amps and 440
Message-ID: <NOMSGID_1=3A109=[e-mail]>
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X-Gateway: FIDOGATE 3.9.3

The last time our heros met, [e-mail] mumbled to All
   about 2 Meter Amps and 440

 Zl> From: Zack Lau <[e-mail]>
 Zl>
 Zl> * To: [e-mail]
 Zl>
 Zl> [e-mail] (Charles Morrison) wrote:

>I've got a question that has probably been answered several times in
>this group, but since Im gonna ask again.

>I am interested in purchasing a 2 meter amplifier for my vehicle.
This
>is where I have a question.  In my vehicle I've got a Kenwood 742,
>which is DualBand (at this time, no other "active" bands in this area)
>and would like to amplify it, but due to budjet (aint it the same for
>all of us??) the *really* nice RF Concepts Dual Band amp is out of the
>question.  My question is this, If my main concern is 2 meters, will a
>straight 2 meter amplifier cause any signal degradation of my 70cm
>signal?  Can I run a straight 2 meter

 Zl> Yes, you can expect some degradation going through the bypass
 Zl> relay and coaxial connectors.  Relays used on 2 meters are often
 Zl> marginal on 70 cm, particularly in cost competitive products.
This
 Zl> doesn't apply if high quality coaxial relays and N connectors are
 Zl> used.  Note that the problems is primarily due to impedance
 Zl> discontinuities.  A really clever engineer could probably design
 Zl> a system using the inexpensive parts that still worked pretty good
 Zl> on 70 cm, but I doubt this would happen by accident.
 Zl>
 Zl> A more serious concern is the 70 cm signal turning on the amp
 Zl> and making it oscillate, perhaps to destruction.  I don't
 Zl> recommend sweeping a high power amp outside its design range
 Zl> unless you are prepared to replace the transistors/tubes.
 Zl>
 Zl> Zack [e-mail].
 Zl>
 Zl> Looking for 10 GHz FM/CW/SSB skeds
 Zl> with FN22 or FN23 to get to 15 grids
 Zl> from FN33KD/KE.  Lots of LOS paths in
 Zl> New England from a 3800 ft Mountain.
 Zl>

I wanted to quote the entire message, but also needed some views from
those who have quite a bit experience with Kenwood Multi-Bands.  I am
considering the purchase of Kenwood's TM-742A dual band mobile.

Have you experienced any problems with it?

How the power output?  Doe it perform at rated specs?

Have any problems with unstable/unbalanced circuits causing failure of
the power transisters?

Also, is anyone aware of amps that cover both bands (2m/70cm)?  I've
looked through various catalogs, but have only seen amps that are
specific to either 2 meters or 70 centimeters, but not both.  I travel
frequently (most times in the boondocks) and was hoping there was a
dual
band amp in the area of 100-300 watts PEP.  Cost wasn't the main
concern, but neither do I want to purchase at $700 each two different
amps.  That's a heafty chunk of change!!

Thanks in advance for your assistance and experience.

Roger Cravens
KE4YQZ
Atlanta, GA

... The maximum effective range of an excuse is ZERO!

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:21 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: "RE: !!!TWO CELLULAR PHONE" RICK EDWARDS
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <41o4u9$[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 08:32:26 GMT
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In article <41o4u9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (S. D. ) writes:
>    I haven't been caught yet buddy. They cannot identify the location
>of the cell phone as long as you keep moving around and stuff.

While the rest of this post is just pure flame bait, this misconception
should be addressed. The cellular network *can* locate you. In fact,
next generation systems will offer vehicle position location as an
option on the phone. The RDF qualities of the cellular system are
inherent in its design. The cellular provider *has* to know where you
are to provide service. While they only have to know your location down
to the single cell level, the techniques employed have better resolution
than that. Like the inherent and automatic phone trace capability of
service monitoring equipment in ESS exchanges, it's not something the
phone companies want widely known, but it's there. Big Momma really is
watching.

Whether they'll actually bother to come after an abuser of the system
or not depends in large part on how blatant and obnoxious the offender
is. The "phone police" like to go after high profile abusers as an
example to the rest of us. The FBI has a special squad that goes after
high tech thieves, and has recently publicized several arrests of
phone cloners in NYC and LA. Just as with the writers of chain letters,
the "phone police" are not likely to swoop down on you the instant
you commit a crime, but they can, and will, if you make a big enough
issue of it in public.

As an interesting subtext, the phone companies went to great lengths
to hide the automatic trace capabilities built into the telephone
network. In the past, they even lied to police about the ease of
phone tracing, and co-opted Hollywood into making it appear that
a trace was a time consuming and tedious task. In fact, the system
automatically traces all calls, and can "drop a card" any time the
phone operators want it to. I speculate that they conducted this
disinformation campaign in order to avoid the appearance of Big
Brother, which might alarm customers.

The phone companies also don't want you to know how often your
phone calls are monitored. It's common practice to listen in on
phone calls, ostensibly to check service quality. I know of cases
where calls to and from certain numbers are automatically put on
switching center speakers because they're usually so juicy that
the phone company employees like to listen. Of course this is
against official phone company policy, but they do it anyway,
much as you cell phone voyeurs listen in even though it is illegal.
Privacy and anonymity are illusions. Everything you say and do
can be monitored, and more often than you may think, is.

Gary
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Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank R. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.info
Subject: THE NEW DX REFLECTOR
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 08:09:22 MST
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Xref: grape.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.misc:85845 rec.radio.info:9138

Amir 4X6TT has started up a new DX Reflector.  This one is unmoderated and
welcomes Real DXers to join in the lively discussions on DXing.  It encourages
freedom of expression, fresh ideas, exchange of innovative and creative
thinking - no censorship, no "List Fuhrer" this time.

To join, send a message to:  [e-mail]

in the subject line, put:           sub

in the text area, write:             subscribe 4x6tt-dx


The DX Community owes a big thanks to Amir for making this available.  It was
long overdue.

73/DX to All

Frank AH0W/OH2LVG
Phoenix




From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank R. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: THE NEW DX REFLECTOR
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:23:08 MST
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For those interested, Amir 4X6TT has established a new DX REFLECTOR.

This is an unmoderated, uncensored DX REFLECTOR where freedom of
expression, innovative thinking, creative ideas, etc. on DXing are all
welcome.

To join, send a message to:

    [e-mail]

and in the subject line, write:   sub

and in the text area, write:  subscribe 4x6tt-dx


Enjoy!

and 73


Frank R. Smith
AH0W/OH2LVG


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:24 1995
From: [e-mail] (Beno M Bequette Jr)
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.stingray.net!beyond!Stingray
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Computer Control of Icom
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 15:06:11 -0600
X-FTN-To: Allan Butler
Lines: 36

 AB> Subject: Computer Control of Icom IC-R7100

 AB> Reply-To: [e-mail]

 AB>            Hello,

 AB>    I have a friend with one of these radios and he would like to
 AB> build the interface and program his own computer to control the
 AB> radio. The only problem that he has is that he cannot find the
 AB> protocols that the radio uses to be controlled.  He would like to
 AB> get the information that is needed to make the radio listen to
 AB> the computer commands.  He is most interested in the data bits
 AB> and the baud rate and what the actual commands are that need to
 AB> be sent out the computer serial port.

 AB>    Please respond via E-mail and here if you have an answer to
 AB> this.  He realizes that he could do the solution by throwing
 AB> money at the problem but he wishes to do it the old fashioned way
 AB> and do it himself. --
 AB> Allan Butler KA0IES
 AB> [e-mail]

 AB> ---  * Origin: Stingray Mail System (stingray.net) (1:2805/8.0)

In a message dated 08-27-95 at, BENO M BEQUETTE JR wrote to ALLAN BUTLER :

Try the 1995 ARRL HANDBOOK, Chapter 22 Station Setup and Accessory Projects,
Page 22.50 to 22.52. In a  article titled  " A Trio of Transceiver/Computer
Interfaces ", for the ICOM ,newer Ten-Tec, and Kenwood's.
Be sure to read the material preceeding the article on 22.50
Good Luck,
Beno
 -> Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Eval:02Jul95
Origin: Alice strikes back @

 * Origin: Beyond Tomorrow - Moberly, MO USA - [phone] (1:2805/2)


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John N0ISL)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Why "hi hi" is really used.
Date: 30 Aug 1995 19:53:11 -0400
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For those reading American Morse.. excuse the mistake.. The Text
reads H O O   H O O, not HOHO. It is reassuring to know there are
those that actually reads these posts.. SRI <BLUSH> :>)
JOHN 73

John Douglas, N0ISL
AX.25 N0ISL@KZ7I.#MSP.MN.USA.NOAM
I'm in Minnesota only because I must be somewhere!


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: The real Lid
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In article <422jjt$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

[ Burt's original boring drivel deleted ]

  > Let me add:
  >

  Don't bother to edit 50+ lines of crap. Repost it. After all, if it was
  good enough the first time, like cheese, it just gets better with age.


;--
;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
;
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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dennis Henderson )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Info Needed on 2m Antenna for Plastic-
Date: 31 Aug 1995 00:02:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc.
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>>[e-mail] (-Braxton,T.E.) wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone have experience installing a mobile VHF antenna
>>> on a vehicle with a non-metallic skin?  I have a Saturn SL1
>>> for which I'm trying to find a suitable 2m antenna.
>

A 1/2 wave antenna should work reasonably well without the
ground plane of the metal body.  Numerous 2m mobile antennas
are 1/2 wave designs.

I'm considering a particular model to mount on my house
roof.  The goal is to be as invisible as possible.  The model
I am considering happens to be a 144 and 220Mhz unit.  The
best feature is the element is a simple shaft and does not
have a loading.

...Dennis Henderson, N6TTW







From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (R. Wiley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What good is the 6 meter band ?
Date: 31 Aug 95 00:49:11 GMT
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[e-mail] (BUDDY10) writes:

>I will be getting a kenwood ts-450s/at.   I just saw that they have a
>version out with 6m capabilities.   What good is 6m ?   Is it just another
>2m band, basically ?  What is the UNIQUENESS of this band ? Is there some
>COMPELLING reason to spend the extra $200.00 or so ?   I REALLY
>appreciate any help on this !

>P.S  Just joking about the tone at the beginning !


If you live in an area that watches TV channel 2,
you can really annoy your neighbors.


NE0R


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Novice questions
Date: 31 Aug 1995 00:54:07 GMT
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Marcel E. Durieux ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hi there!

: I'm a novice to the field of amateur radio, and have a few
: questions.  I read through the FAQs, but didn't get the answers
: I needed, so I'll do it this way.

: My brother is leaving to work in the bush in Africa, often at
: places where he will be away from a telephone for long times.
: We would like to keep frequent contact, and amateur radio is
: one of the things we are considering.  Here are some questions:

: 1.  For me (in Virginia) to talk to him in Africa, what would
: be the appropriate frequency band to work on?  What licence
: would I need to operate on that frequency?

   If you want to be able to communicate with a minimum of
expense and technology, you'll want a license that provides
you with HF priviledges.  Therefore, at least a Novice or
Tech+ ticket.  You'll be limited to relatively "poor" portions
of the HF bands, however, because of interference from SW
broadcasters, and will be able to use only CW on bands below
10M.  Assuming that you want phone ( voice ) on the lower HF
bands, you'll need a General licence.

: 2.  What kind of equioment would I need to make that kind of
: connection, and how much (roughly) would it cost me?

   Good used HF rigs can be purchased for $300.00 or less.  Add in
a wire antenna, and an antenna tuner for a few bucks more, and you'll
be set.  You won't win any contests, but you'll be able to achieve
relatively good contacts.

: 3.  HOw dependable would it be, i.e. would we reliably be able
: to make contact, or would it be weather dependent and such?  TO
: what extent is this fixable by a bigger (more expensive)
: transmitter/receiver?

   We're at the low point in the current sunspot cycle, which means that
communications aren't as easy or reliable as they were 5 years ago.  There
will be times when you'll won't be able to make contacts, and times when
it will be wonderful.  More power doesn't necessarily mean that you'll
be able to make contact - when a band is closed, nothing you do will make
a difference.  The typical HF tranceiver puts out 100 watts, which should
be plenty.  Different bands have different characteristic: 20 meters
is typically a "daytime" band, while 40 and 80 meters are more usable
at night.


   I'd suggest contacting the American Radio Relay League in Newington,
CT.  They have free information packages that will tell you more
about the Amateur service, licensing requirements, etc.  For example,
you'll want to find out whether your brother can even get a licence
in the country he'll be traveling to - the ARRL will help you out
with that question, and more.

- Rich


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Radio Devices QRT
Date: 31 Aug 1995 01:17:24 GMT
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Dear Fellow Hams,

Due to the time demands of my part-time business, Radio Devices,
I have decided to sell the business to spend more time with the
family.  Many of you (actually over 300) have purchased QRZ from
Radio Devices at least once, many several times.  Just shows that
although 2 or 3 people consistently complain about commercial
stuff on the net, a vast majority appreciate the opportunity to
get good things cheap.  I havent sounded off in the past, but now
I felt it necessary.

Soon a new ham and good friend will appear (probably not for a few
weeks) and may decide to offer QRZ! and other stuff on rec.radio.swap
occasionally as I did.

I have had the support of many fine individuals on the ham scene
helping me establish Radio Devices.  I would personally like to thank

Fred Lloyd AA7BQ   QRZ Author and fine gentlman
Dick Witzke KE8KL  Oak Hills Research radio designer and Mr. QRP
Jim Stevens KK7C   Antennas West Chief Antenna Engineer and innovative
                   antenna designer.

If you havent checked out the CDs, Kits, or antennas these guys
produce, I urge you to do so.  Not the main line ICOM, KENWOOD,
etc big names, just fine Americans producing very high quality
ham products that I have enjoyed selling and using. I have used
these products (built all of Oak Hills Kits except the 4-bander
and will probably do so soon) and use my Antennas West Windom
on 40 & 80 all the time.

If you are in hurry to find out about the new Radio Devices,
call Rhyne Killian (KC1AX) at [phone].


One last time before I erase my .sig......

--
==============================================================
Radio Devices         email  for complete  cdrom or Ham catalog
32 Queens View Road   QRZ $14.95,  Buckmaster $49.95 +  postage
Marlboro, MA  01752   send subj:HAM for email distribution list
[phone] KD1GG   send subj:PGP to recv.  my public PGP Key
===================   Anli,Oak Hills Kits,Ramsey Kits,CDROMs
Radio Dev on World Wide Web  http://www.raddev.com/biz/raddev/
Master Card/VISA, Personal Checks, Money Orders gladly accepted
==============================================================



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clifton T. Sharp)
Subject: Re: Drop Code? Yes way!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: as little as possible
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In article <41q514$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (michael silva) writes:
>So, John wants to drop (!!!!) the code (lower the requirements for a
>license), rather than replacing the code test with a tougher written on
>newer modes, techniques and circuits.  The latter is a very defensible
>position (one I'm in large agreement with myself), while the former
>is...well, you decide.

Actually, the most defensible position is to say you're going to do the
latter, then do the former instead. This is exactly the method that was
used to create the codeless Technician license.

--
   Cliff Sharp                  There are days when no matter which
     WA9PDM                      way you spit, it's upwind.
  [e-mail]       --The First Law of Reality


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steven Raymond)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help!
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 02:41:26 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Chowdanet BBS - 401-331-2604
Distribution: world
Lines: 4

Im starting my own bbs and im useing T.A.G. software,and i cant figure
out how to add doors,If anyone Can help I would be very grateful! Thank
You!!!
Steven!


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Arnold )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Inline filter on cigarette lighter cord
Date: 31 Aug 1995 05:39:35 GMT
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The filter works as well through the cigerette lighter as elsewhere in
eliminating buzz and humm.  You could just use a choke a large
electrolectic and a small ceramic capacitor and get something similar
to the radio shack filter, but why bother. 73s



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Barry Titmarsh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: 31 Aug 95 06:53:52 GMT
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>>[e-mail] (Emarit Ranu) wrote:
>>
>>       Burt...
>>       If you suggest that being a citizen of a country whose government
>>       is "racist" makes the citizen racist him/herself you need to
>>       reevaluate your method of thinking.
>
>Birds of a feather flock together.
>(there are EXCEPTIONS but they are only exceptions).
I have to agree, Sorry But Liveing in Germany for the Past 5 years
very the most unplesant experiance Glad to return Home and away.
I have had better relations with liveing in the former USSR, where
its soposed to be very Communist like..
Germany seems to be run like a dictatorship, if you dont conform your are
Ignored  Inc the hobby as Ham.Radio. ;-((

Barry EX DC0HK




From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Unblocking a Kenwood
Date: 31 Aug 1995 08:49:31 -0700
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

>i actively hunt jammers in the local area whenever they raise their ugly
>heads, and i'd never want to be caught hunting them with a scanner since
....
>greg
>kd6ven

That is a very, very good point.  I have volunteered to help the local
police track down jammers on their 150 mHz frequencies, and was called
in to do so at one point.  THis is the flip side of the coin.  Many
of us have (or could easily build) a quad for 2 meters and learn how
to use an HT to DF.  IF/WHEN these bozos use ham HT's to jam police
or public service, we can help out.  I believe that this is one of the
most powerful things we can do to help preserve respect for amateur
radio among politicians and public workers....a pretty important group
to have on our side.

Clark
WA3JPG


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HAMS VOTING AGAINST PETITION TO BAN HF ONEWAY HAM BROADCASTS!!
Date: 31 Aug 95 12:16:43 -0800
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio) writes:
> WITH 181 VOTES AS OF 8/30/95, Hams are turning down W5YI's petitionby a 2
> to 1 margin. You still have ome to participate in the poll. The polling
> stops on September 13th 73's Ray

Like the last vote...  Isn't this rather moot?
--

__________________________________________________________________________
Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~






From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary P. Fiber)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Computer Control of Icom IC-R7100
Date: 31 Aug 1995 12:16:55 GMT
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In article <41qoge$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Allan Butler) says:
>
>                Hello,
>
>        I have a friend with one of these radios and he would like to
>build the interface and program his own computer to control the radio.
>The only problem that he has is that he cannot find the protocols that
>the radio uses to be controlled.  He would like to get the information
>that is needed to make the radio listen to the computer commands.  He is
>most interested in the data bits and the baud rate and what the actual
>commands are that need to be sent out the computer serial port.
>
>        Please respond via E-mail and here if you have an answer to this.
> He realizes that he could do the solution by throwing money at the
>problem but he wishes to do it the old fashioned way and do it himself.
>--
>                                                Allan Butler KA0IES

Allan,

Call ICOM America at 206-454-7619, press " 3 " when the automated system
answers.  You will then be connected with ICOM's parts dept.  They have a
manual titles the " CI-V Reference manual " for sale at a cost of about
$15.00 plus shipping.  This manual has the commands for the IC-R7100.
Newer ICOM radios now have the command set for the radio right in the
operators manual so it is doubtful the CI-V Reference Manual will ever
be updated

73' Gary


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:38 1995
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From: Marinus Willemstijn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Icom 735 Problem
Date: 31 Aug 1995 12:31:34 GMT
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Can someone help me!

My IC735 has a funny rf-feedback like sound on the audio when
transmitting. I would like to know if anyone have had a similar
problem?

--
Marinus Willemstijn
Voice : [phone]
Fax : [phone]
eMail : WILLEMMA@TELKOM19
Internet : [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clinton Peebles)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RF-Powered ID Device
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:41:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Salmon Siding Saloon BBS 604-357-9942
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C>: >I'd like to find a manufacturer of an rf-powered ID device that has no
C>exter
C>nal power requirement, but is powered by an incoming microwave burst, it then
C>r
C>esponds with a brief transmission on another frequency -- usually giving a
C>brie

You might want to check with your local veterinarian or SPCA.  They are
using micro chips implanted in pets to find their owner if they get lost.

---
 ■ QMPro 1.53 ■ This tagline is SHAREWARE!  To Register, send me $10


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:40 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Is he a wimp (Burt Fisher)?
Date: 31 Aug 1995 12:59:31 GMT
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[e-mail] (Clint Bradford) wrote:
>
>Then Toto reveals the MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN...a tiny, insecure,
>computer operator.

Why don't you come check me out for yourself.
My address is in the call book and I will post it here if you want or you
can post it..

Or you can download my picture so you can spot me easier.

Go ahead, make my day.

Be careful, you do not want to get postaled.

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                               [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads
         for bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!).




From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:41 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Behind curtain 69.
Date: 31 Aug 1995 13:01:59 GMT
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[e-mail] (fritz-o-matic) wrote:
>
>->Then Toto reveals the MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN...a tiny, insecure,
>->computer operator.
>
>->Makes reading some of these threads a breeze for me!
>
><snip>
>
>A great analogy!
>
>73 de N4JVP/NH
>Fritz

Why don't you check me out for yourself and see what is behind the
curtain.
I will be pleased to post my address.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                               [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

G



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:41 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Bozo HAMS VOTING AGAINST PETITION TO BAN HF ONEWAY HAM BROADCASTS!!
Date: 31 Aug 1995 13:04:51 GMT
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[e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio) wrote:
>WITH 181 VOTES AS OF 8/30/95, Hams are turning down W5YI's petitionby a 2
>to 1 margin. You still have ome to participate in the poll. The polling
>stops on September 13th 73's Ray


Hams do not make that decision.
And if you think votes are the way to go why not
let your neighbors vote whether you should have a tower.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
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Subject: Re: Mods.
Date: 31 Aug 1995 13:30:02 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:
>Any Yaesu FT-840 users out there?
>Want to share any mods?
>I have the mod for all-band transmit from 1.8 - 30 MHz
>if anyone needs it. I already did mine and it works fine into a dummy
>load, but I did notice it cuts off below 1.8 MHz. Not that there is any
>reason to use it to transmit down there... Maybe one watt on 1750 meters
>but that is not the ideal us for a FT-840 anyway! I have a few things
>I wish were better, like no front-panel sidetone level adjustment.
>That is a bit annoying when you want to adjust the radio for different
>environmental situations. Also, the NB doesn't seem to do much.
>Wish I could buy the AM filter and the 500 Hz CW filter. Maybe later...
>
>Any other comments?
>---
> ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Appelate judge steps on banana: overturned on a peel!


I operate an 840 and have had it for about 5 months.  Not a bad radio, but you
are correct it does have some quirks.  I don't mind the xcieve being wide on CW
since I use a Timewave DSP.  The tuning shaft does not seem as sturdy as it
should for a "mobile" radio.  I also wish the offset receive and transmit freq
were BOTH displayed rather than just showing the freq. of the currently
operating mode (TX or RX).  The audio is a little low on output power also.  (I
guess I am sensitive to this since I use the output to drive the DSP and the
level is barely high enough)  The transmit mod using the TP2003 works fine on
mine also.  I do not like the AM (160M) sound.  I think it sounds to boomy on
captured transmitted signals.  It is a nice radio, but it has it faults.

                        Mike KB9KFE


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:44 1995
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From: Rex Lint <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: HT use with aviation headset?
Date: 31 Aug 1995 14:30:17 GMT
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Yeah, I did it. I built a box that has:
     a jack for the Mic line from the DC
     a jack for the Phones line from the DC
     a jack for a shielded cable to the MIC jack of IC2AT
     a jack for a cable to the PHONES jack of the IC2AT
     a PTT switch right on the box
     a resistor that pulls enough current to key the IC2AT.
Plug the DC into the box, hook the box to the IC2AT with a couple of
cables. When you push the PTT on the box OR THE IC@AT, you can
talk with the DC.

If you want more details (like resistor value), I can look.

Regards,

Rex Lint K1HI, N5523G



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:45 1995
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From: Rex Lint <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: HT use with aviation headset?
Date: 31 Aug 1995 14:32:42 GMT
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[e-mail] (Robyn Lyn Lempicki) wrote:
>Has anyone used a David Clark headset with an amateur HT?  I have a Yaseu
>FT-411 and my friend has the Radio Shack HT.  I use the headset with my ICOM
>A21 aviation radio, but I am not familiar with the mike key wiring in all of
>these radios.  Has anyone tried this or figured it out?  We don't want to risk
>blowing something in the radios, but would like to do a little aero-mobile
>work when we fly around.  Thanks!  -Gerry
>
Yeah, I did it. I built a box that has:
     a jack for the Mic line from the DC
     a jack for the Phones line from the DC
     a jack for a shielded cable to the MIC jack of IC2AT
     a jack for a cable to the PHONES jack of the IC2AT
     a PTT switch right on the box
     a resistor that pulls enough current to key the IC2AT.
Plug the DC into the box, hook the box to the IC2AT with a couple of
cables. When you push the PTT on the box OR THE IC@AT, you can
talk with the DC.

If you want more details (like resistor value), I can look.

Regards,

Rex Lint K1HI, N5523G



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Levine, KD1GG)
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Subject: Re: Radio Devices QRT
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Correction.

Ryhne Killian, the new Radio Devices owner is KA1CX

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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Cantrell)
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Subject: Re: CW for Tech Class ?
Date: 31 Aug 1995 15:27:10 GMT
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In article <422713$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] () writes:
|> Hi,
|>
Snip!
|>
|> Just wondering.
|>   /\      /\
|>   \ \    / /    To be is to do   (Kant)
|>    \ \  / /     To do is to be   (Sartre)
|>     \ \/ /_     Yabba-Dabba-Doo! (F. Flinstone)
                   Do be a Do Bee!  (Romper Room Teacher)
                   Do-be-do-be-doo  (F. Sinatra)

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Yours,
cantrell, WA2vxu


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:48 1995
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From: Peter Lemken <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: racist german hams
Date: 31 Aug 1995 17:19:07 GMT
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[e-mail] (Barry Titmarsh) wrote:

>I have to agree, Sorry But Liveing in Germany for the Past 5 years
>very the most unplesant experiance Glad to return Home and away.
>I have had better relations with liveing in the former USSR, where
>its soposed to be very Communist like..
>Germany seems to be run like a dictatorship, if you dont conform your are
>Ignored  Inc the hobby as Ham.Radio. ;-((
>
>Barry EX DC0HK
>
>

Barry,

let me tell you that I find your statements and judgements rather offensive
and inadequate. When you talk about Germany as a dictatorship, as having
had the most unpleasant experiences, then be a little more specific about
what you have experienced and how dictatorship in a Western democracy
defines.

I suspect, however, that your command of the German language is as
restricted as your English grammar, spelling and punctuation. When you
regard not learning the language of the country you live in properly as
"non-conformism", you are very likely to be ignored in every Non-English
speaking country of the world as well. Comparing Germany to pre-89 USSR is
a joke in any case.

With regard to ham radio I equally suspect that your problems in Germany
have their origin in your language capabilities as well. Your ex-call shows
that you had the lowest license class with VHF+ access only. This normally
(excluding dxing and satellite operation) confronts you with the problem
that the majority of people you can contact are Germans.

Don't flame me. Prove me wrong and I will most humbly apologize for my
speculations.


Peter Lemken
DF5JT/KE4UNQ



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:48 1995
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Subject: IC-730 w/xvrtr ??
Date: 31 Aug 1995 18:38:07 GMT
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  I recently installed the EX-205 transverter controller in my ic730 and,
without a transverter to attach to it for testing, I notice that I have
no HF receive - just white noise. I did try the HF transmitter on 10 meters
at lowest power with a scanner as a monitor - works fine. I redid the
whole ex205 installation again (kinda of a knucklebuster) with no luck.
The radio works fine without the ex205 installed. Anyone have some hints/
kinks to check? All replies gratefully accepted.

              Mike Miller   N0JAS  Des Moines, IA  EN31
              [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:50 1995
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Subject: Re: Racist hams in Germany
Date: 31 Aug 1995 19:37:14 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jim Martin) wrote:
>
>I haven't checked out your gif file but I bet you're the one wearing the >white sheet.

Not at all.
Those with the white sheet are chickens, much like the swastikas, some
what more common in Germany.

Even Kohl recently called Germany the "mother land"---sound familar?




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|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jamie Ersbak)
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Subject: College Radio Clubs?
Date: 31 Aug 1995 19:38:12 GMT
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        I am interested in finding out what colleges/universities in the
Northeastern U.S. (or all of the U.S) have ham radio clubs.  I'm a
junior in high school, and would like to know what college ARCs there
are out there, and whether or not they have a clubstation.
        Any help, however little would be appreciated, and I'm not just
interested in ARRL affiliated college ARCs.
        Please send all responses to "[e-mail]"

73s and Good Luck,
Jamie Ersbak AA3JZ

(I have been a ham for 2 years, and live about 2 miles northwest of
Philadelphia.  Thanks again!)


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 19:33:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Simo Juhani PΣtΣri)
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Subject: OH0 Aland is. on air!
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        Hi there!

  This weekend (1. - 3. September) we will activate the Aland islands OH0-land
with call sign OH0NRG. The team consists of four operators: OH2KMG, OH2LRE,
OH2JJN and K8MN. We will be on the air from friday about 1000 UTC to sunday
1500 UTC. We will work on all bands from 80m to 10m with three stations on
the air. QSL via OH2NRG.

73 & CU on the bands,
                        Simo, OH2LRE