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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:22:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Smith)
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Subject: Re: KaGOLD (and PkGOLD)
Date: 1 Aug 1995 19:48:32 GMT
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GIVE US A WINDOZE (+95) VERSION JEFF, PLEEEEEAAAAAAASE.
GOT AEA's WIN PROGRAM - BAD AND FREAQUES UNDER 95.

p.s. I know KAGOLD works in windoze

--
Bob Smith, Atlanta, GA
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
TAPR 5412  ARRL  AARL



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:22:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Carvalho)
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Subject: Software for packet(newbie)
Date: 1 Aug 1995 21:42:03 GMT
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I picked up a Kantronics 9612 to get started in packet. The
pacterm software that came with it looks like a terminal emulator.
Are there other software packages out there aside from the *nos systems?

--joe
ke6weo
My opinions are mine...All mine.
[e-mail]
Inter-National Research Institute 10101 Old Grove Rd. Sandy Ehgo, CA. 92131
For long you live and high you fly, And smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry
And all you touch and all you see, Is all your life will ever be...PF.DSotM




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:22:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rafeek Kottai)
Subject: WTB: Collins KWM-2A
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Hello,

I am looking for a good condition Collins KWM-2A tranciever
for personal use.

If you have one or if you know anyone who has one for sale
please let me know by e-mail or at 708/9525235 (9am-5pm) or
708/5900708(5pm-9am).

Thank you.
73
Rafeek Kottai KB7DBJ
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:22:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Darin Holwell)
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Subject: FS: Packet Radio gear!
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 22:23:08
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Darin Holwell) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Darin Holwell)
>Subject: FS: Ham Radio gear!
>Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 22:05:34

Best deal on the net.

Have a packet station for sale. includes:

Kantronics KPC3 tnc   like new with boxes and manuals
Marconi DT93 dedicated 30watt xcvr xtal'd to 145.010
Digital vt420 terminal and keyboard.

Complet package 150.00 FIRM


This wont last long at this price so call early
709-753-1914 Home
709-738-1600 Work

All The Best
Darin Holwell




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:22:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (steve genz)
Subject: HELP WITH KENWOOD TH-77A AND MFJ 1278B
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HI , I 'M HAVING TROUBLE GETTING ANY CONTACTS WITH MY MFJ 1278 AND KENWOOD
TH-77A HT. I GET A FEW , BUT IT SEEMS LIKE I'M NOT QUITE CONNECTING...DOES
IT  (THE RADIO ) NEED ANY MODS?? PLEASE E-MAIL ME AT
[e-mail]


thanks! 73's... steve, wi0e


p.s. my alinco dr-590 and kenwood ts-940s need help too...


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:22:48 1995
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From: Jim Devenport <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Where is Baycom Ver. 1.6??
Date: 2 Aug 1995 03:24:25 GMT
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The Digicom modems will work as is, unmodified, in my
experience, on roughly 50% of the PC's in use.  I have
never known them to work on Dell clones nor any other PC
requiring "true" RS-232 levels at the serial comport since
the less expensive Digicom modems produce only "half" the
data voltage excursions (one polarity only).
I say go ahead and try it, you may be lucky and it will
work on most of your PC's.  The modem will almost always
transmit successfully;  if it can not be persuaded to
receive you'll need to add an RS-232 level adapter to it,
such as a MAX232 or such like.
Here's the wiring compatibility chart:

25-Pin Com    9-Pin Com    C64    Description
**********************************************
20             4            3     TX data
4              7            5     PTT
5              8           4 & 6  Receive data
7              5            1     Ground
**********************************************
I've actually wired up a couple modems with both C64 and
PC connectors pigtailed together.... that way I can plug
it into either computer without the usual jumper-clip
shuffle.
--
*********** Jim Devenport WB5AOX **************
*      PO Box 445, McIntosh NM 87032          *
*  505-832-1462 weekends, 667-1055 workdays   *
*        http://nis-www.lanl.gov/~jdport/     *
***********************************************




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:22:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Where is Baycom Ver. 1.6??
Date: 2 Aug 1995 06:30:12 -0600
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[e-mail] (Rich) writes:

> Hi folks, KC4UEB, Rich, here. I have a friend using a Baycom modem, wit

>Version 1.4 software. I know the newest version is 1.6, but I can't find

>it anywhere to save my life. Even Baycom's own homepage is no help,
>mostly because it's not done yet. I can't even tell if they're trying to

>say it's public domain or not. Anyone know the story, and/or where to
>ftp/buy the latest software?
>
> Also, if anyone knows, is there a way to convert the Commodore version
>of the Digicom modem for PC use? Thanks.

>--
> [e-mail]

=====
Baycom 1.6 is a commercial program.
It is not freely distributable, and is available from Tigertronics, plus
at least one other commercial distributor of Baycom modems.
=====
The C64 modem might be converted, but with the Baycom modem costing only
$50, I think it is not worth the effort.
?
--
 [e-mail]   Robert Davis  Salina, KS
                          Amateur Radio K0FPC


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:22:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ulrich Guenther)
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Subject: BayCom WWW page
Date: 2 Aug 1995 08:03:43 GMT
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Hi all,

It seems that a few of you are enjoying the BayCom WWW page. Unfortunately
this service is now in jeopardy, as the OM who looked after it has become
a silent key. I'll let you know more as it comes to light.

73 de Ulrich ZL1DDL




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:22:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Nielsen)
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Subject: Re: Modem+PC= Packet?
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:40:36 LOCAL
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]> Eric
>Weaver <[e-mail]> writes:
>>On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, Gary Coffman wrote:
>>
>>> What you *can* do is setup a full duplex link with another amateur
>>> and use your modem as if it were on a dedicated 4-wire network.
>>> (Use a 4-wire to 2-wire hybrid on each end.) That way the modems
>>> can train with each other and operate just like you'd dialed up a
>>> phone line. That's not packet, but it is digital over radio.
>>
>>
>>Gary, do you know anyone who is doing that? That would seem to make a
>>good point-to-point link, and allow relatively unmodified radios (well,
>>unmodified except for full-duplexing) to have a decent throughput (at
>>least at 28.8.) I am trying to figure out what actual PACKET high speed
>>stuff is going on in our area, but so far, I have not really found any.

Some hams in Japan were using 9600 baud fax modems for packet a few years ago
(and may still be).  A ham in Michigan (I forget the call) did some
experiments with this and wrote an article which appeared in PSR probably 3-4
years ago.  It is not compatible with the k9ng/g3ruh type modulation, and the
training sequence is probably an annoyance, but it works without the need to
hack the radio.


Bob
--------
Bob Nielsen                      Internet: [e-mail]
Tucson, AZ                       AMPRnet: [e-mail]
AX.25: [e-mail]  WWW: http://primenet.com/~nielsen/



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:22:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ESRAC)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Looking for HIGH SPEED modems?
Date: 2 Aug 1995 11:20:51 GMT
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Hello there,

We are wondering if there are HIGH SPEED modems available with speeds
 UP to 128 kbit/s to be used in a link between two PC's on 23cm/70cm. We want
to transmit a video signal via ax25 packet and make use of two HIGH SPEED
modems. If someone has any experience with HIGH SPEED data exchange via
modems that can be used in packet, or knows where to obtain more information
on this matter, please reply to the following E-mail address:

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:22:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mario Klebsch DG1AM)
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Subject: Re: need opinions&pointers: tech: PR in urban areas
Date: 2 Aug 95 12:45:27 GMT
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DB Wilhelm <[e-mail]> writes:

>[e-mail] (Tim Bray) wrote:
>>
>> > Tricks gearbeitet und Du kommst auf max gesicherte 9600 Bit/s !!!!!
>> Please tell me if I am wrong, but isn't this a uk.* group ????????
>Sorry Tim, this is a hr.* (that's Ham Radio) group, and it comes in
>all languages.  OTOH, my  version of "Netequette" says that English
>is the more commonly understood language and use of a newsgroup
>should be in the most commonly understood form.  To do otherwise
>is a waste of bandwidth, and should have been sent as e-mail.

This thread is crosposted to several newsgroups
(rec.radio.amateur.homebrew, alt.radio.digital, fido.ham-radio,
rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc, uk.radio.amateur,de.comm.ham) (where
is the hr.* ? ). Not everybody realizes crossposting, and since there
is a german newsgroup included, the original poster should expect
responses in german, too.

73, Mario
--
Mario Klebsch, DG1AM, [e-mail]                +49 531 / 391 - 7457
Institut fuer Robotik und Prozessinformatik der TU Braunschweig
Hamburger Strasse 267, 38114 Braunschweig, Germany


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:22:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Eduardo Sweet Biro)
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Subject: Need AUTOEXEC.NOS for JNOS & Linux
Date: 2 Aug 95 12:48:31 GMT
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Hi!
   I know here's a lot of amateurs running JNOS under Linux, and I'm
having trouble setting up my JNOS (109lxa3) under Linux (kernel 1.2.10)...

Can anyone send me an AUTOEXEC.NOS for a "more or less" standard setup?

Thankyou in advance, Ed - LU7AKC.
--------------------------------
Eduardo Sweet Biro
E-mail:  [e-mail]
Packet:  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:22:54 1995
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Subject: Re: Computers for Digital Modes
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In <3vauri$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (James P. Rybak) writes:
>(I know that PC's are SUPPOSSED to meet FCC requirements concerning RFI
>but do they actually?)
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions concerning 1) what brands of PC should be
>avoided because of RFI? and 2) how difficult is it to clean up RFI from a
>computer if you do have it?  Conversely, what brands of PC's are especially
>QUIET as far as RFI is concerned?
>
Most properly grounded PC's have not presented any problems with RFI
EXCEPT for an IBM laptop with an external diskette drive...this puppy is
so noisy you can't copy anything on any HF band when its on...S9+!
I've seen situations where the ground was floating on the PC and this
caused problems both ways...RF affecting the PC and the PC putting out
whistles on some bands.


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:22:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Stan Horzepa)
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Subject: Perseids packet test
Date: 2 Aug 95 13:28:19 GMT
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Here is what we are doing for the Perseids shower.  There's not enough time
to get it into QST in time, so please spread the word.

73,

Stan, WA1LOU

NATIONWIDE 2 METER METEOR SHOWER TEST 11-15 AUGUST

The August QST Packet Perspective column by Stan Horzepa pondered
a plan to test 2 meteor scatter.  LETS DO IT!  Amateurs Nationwide
are hereby encouraged to participate in the Persieds Meteor
Shower which will peak on 13 Aug.  Although 6 meters is far better
than 2 meters for meteor scatter work, everyone has a 2 meter radio and
we can make up in numbers what is lacking in performance.  All
you need is a TNC, and preferably high power and a beam.  The objective is
to see how many grid square (DX) packets you receive over the 4 day event.

Here is the plan:  Stations in the four quadrants of the country will
alternately transmit for 15 seconds.  Stations will transmit the
shortest possible meaningful packet formed by placing their 6 digit
gridsquare in the UNPROTO TO callsign field. eg,  W3ADO>FM18SX:  The
suggested frequency is the ARRL experimental packet frequency of 145.79.
BE SURE THIS FREQUENCY IS NOT OTHERWISE ASSIGNED IN YOUR AREA.  EVEN so,
you can still monitor!

STEP-BY-STEP SET UP PROCEDURES:

1) Point your beam towards a major population area about 500 to 1000 miles
   away in one of the three other USA quadrants.  If there is another 2m
   local station, coordinate your beam headings so that you are not both
   hitting the same azimuth and receiver target area.
2) Enter your grid square into your TNC using the following command:
   cmd: UNPROTO FM18SX
   (If you cannot estimate the last 2 digits, use AA)
   Notice that there is NO VIA DIGIPEATER used!
3) ATTENDED OPERATION:   Enter the converse mode (cmd: CONV) and
   then each time you hit your carriage return key, you will send a packet.
   Hit 20 CR's and you will send a bundle of 20 grid square packets.
   Synchronize your clock with WWV and transmit as many CR's you can in
   the following schedule:
   North East stations transmit between 00 to 14 seconds
   South East ...                       15 to 29 seconds
   South West ...                       30 to 44 seconds
   North West ...                       45 to 59 seconds

4) UNATTENDED OPERATION: This will probably be the most successful:
   a) Set your BEACON TEXT to ^HP where H and P are single characters:
      H is beam heading divided by 10 and expressed by the digits 0 to 9
        and then A through Z.  9=90, A=100, B=110, C=120... Z=350
      P is the square root of your power %10.  1=10, 2=40, 3=90... 9=810
   b) Set your BEACON to EVERY 1.  This is not in accordance with the
   scheduled 15 second cycle, but it is better than nothing if you are
   operating un-attended.

5) Alternatively, run the APRS program version 71b or later, which has an
automated mode for Meteor Scatter and will plot all received packets on
the map.   Also, in many areas, 145.79 is already being used for APRS.
Read the APRS METEOR.txt file.

EXPECTATIONS:  Meteor scatter paths are VERY specific between the
transmitter and the receiver, typically any single event will only be
heard by receivers within about a 20 mile footprint.  This is why
everyone can transmit at the same time in the same area, preferably
pointing their beams in slightly different directions.  As long as
there is about 50 miles between identical TRANSMITTING stations, their
signals will NOT probably hit the same receivers at the same times.

W0RPK and K1HTV did make a successful 2 meter packet contact in 1984 over
about a 1000 mile path, but it took 2.5 hours of constant packets.
Hopefully by having hundreds of transmitters, and hundreds of receivers,
we can improve the statistics.  The best time for meteors is in the early
mornings from 0400 to 0800 LOCAL time.  But it is not much worse the rest
of the day...

REPORTS:  Since you will possibly see packets that no one else will see,
send all gridsquare reports (Only those known to be greater than 250 miles
distant) to me and I will compile the data.  Be SURE to include your
gridsquare!

Bob Bruninga, WB4APR @ KA3RFE.MD or
[e-mail]  (preferred)

P.S.  The Naval Academy 40 foot dish (Annapolis MD) will beam towards
Florida on the 11th, Atlanta on the 12th, the midwest on the 13th.
Donno about the final 2 days yet.  Expected ranges are only about 550
miles, though, because the elevation cannot get down below 10 degrees.
The range to Atlanta and Indianapolis are about perfect for that...

P.P.S. I had posted a request for everyone to check with their frequency
coordinators to find a permanent 6 meter Meteor scatter (and separate
APRS) frequency.  So far NO ONE has responded.  All I am asking for is a
copy of YOUR EXISTING PLANS so that we can select minimum grief
frequencies.   Here is the current band plan in the Greater Wash DC and
Baltimore areas....

In the absence of any contravening data, for this AUGUST 11 to 15 test,
lets use 50.62 MHz for any APRS 6 meter METEOR SCATTER TESTS..

50.62 packet backbone (defunct) & I have crystals
50.64 avail
50.66 avail
50.68 avail
50.70 rtty freq (probably defunct)
50.72 avail
50.74 avail
50.76 avail
50.78 avail
50.80 bottom edge of radio control band

I suggest the LOWEST and FURTHREST From the radio controllers for 6
meteor METEOR SCATTER WORK.  This means 50.62.

Then i suggest 50.78 for APRS...



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:22:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Where to obtain 56 kbps packet modems?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] ("Kevin Hodges") writes:
>Could someone let me have the ISBN for the ARRL book  Packet: Speed, More
>Speed, and Applications  so that I may try and source this book in the
>UK. Also could you let me have the Email address for the ARRL or there
>home page on WWW

The ISBN is 0-87259-495-5. The ARRL operates the arrl.org domain.
I don't have an electronic order address for ARRL publications, but
I bet an Email to Debra Jahnke, [e-mail], would answer that
question. (What she doesn't know about the operation isn't worth knowing
anyway.) Good book, BTW.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:22:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  > In article <3vb83o$[e-mail]>
  >            [e-mail] "Hajo Brunne" writes:
  >
  > > 10 Mbit/s und 10km Reichweite in Stadtbebauung!!!! Dann rechne Dir mal
  >
  > Please tell me if I am wrong, but isn't this a uk.* group ????????

  Well, since you asked. You're wrong. According to the headers it is more
  than a UK group.

  Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
              alt.radio.digital
              fido.ham-radio
              rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
              uk.radio.amateur
              de.comm.ham

  Ya know, with the fascination with DXCC, you'd think people would know
  that there is more than English spoken on this planet.


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From: [e-mail] (Ian McEachern VE3PFH)
Subject: APRS FTP Site?
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Can anyone tell me where the latest version of APRS would
be located?

Ian

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ian
McEachern VE3PFH) wrote:

> Can anyone tell me where the latest version of APRS would
> be located?
>
> Ian
>


Both APRS and MacAPRS are at


ftp.tapr.org     in   /tapr/SIG/aprs/uploads


Keith
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[e-mail] wrote:
Try XPKAM!  Just run it under windows in a DOS Session.  Works great!

Dave - AA9OQ

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:23:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Len Bougie (VA3LEB))
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Paul Moller <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I am looking for information on 2m packet activity in northern Minnesota
>preferebly the Ely/ Virginia area. Does anyone know who I can contact or
>have first hand information. TNX. Paul.


1200 Baud packet in Northern Minnesota is on 145.010 Mhz.  There is a
digi called MNVIR in Virginia, as I get down there through a few other
digis.  If you do 2 hops via MNVIR -> ONRUM -> VE3TKA, there is a BBS
located.  I am a Canadian Amateur that uses these digi's quite
frequently.  Check 145.010 out and you are guaranteed to find
something.


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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:23:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Olaf Erb)
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Subject: Re: Modem+PC= Packet?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Eric Weaver  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, Gary Coffman wrote:
>> What you *can* do is setup a full duplex link with another amateur
>> and use your modem as if it were on a dedicated 4-wire network.
>> (Use a 4-wire to 2-wire hybrid on each end.) That way the modems
>> can train with each other and operate just like you'd dialed up a
>> phone line. That's not packet, but it is digital over radio.
>
>Gary, do you know anyone who is doing that? That would seem to make a

Some time ago I asked the same question and got some positive responses,
but, nobody tried it. I heard from people using modem/fax chips over
packet, and we have some dedicated interlinks running with 9k6 and higher
fax modems here in Germany.
Really interesing would be connecting an 200$ 28k8 modem to a fulldup-
radio for a dedicated link. After some research I think it should be *very*
easy. You're right, the problem is only the hybrid. I found some stuff
from MITEL, they have SLIC's you may use for this purpose.. Or, even
easier, there's a thing called 'circulator' (badly translated from
Germang :), it splits the phone line in the two signals.. only 3 op-amps,
should be in most better electronics books..
You can even get the transformers of old phones or so and use them, that's
the way my old 2k4 modem does it. Phonemodems do echo compensation, very
good.
Cheap modems are maybe not the best choice, they may have problems if
the link quality changes- retrain, fallback, fall-forward and this aren't
very well implemented in some cheap ones.
There you're getting into some ranges where building some FSK capable
TRX with may cheaper as the whole plugn' play setup. Much more cheaper!
And more fun, too :)

>What do you think about 10 mbps point-to-point microwave links? It would
>be interesting to run ethernet over radio, if you programmed an
>appropriate ID setup...

I heard some people did this with modified ATV transceivers.. The problem
is, you need very strong signals. Compare a 25khz 19k2 channel with
10MBit! That's 10MHz bandwidth if you just modulate a gunnplexer without
fiddling with better modulation schemes.. you need a big PA for good
distances :)

There are rumors some people modified NE2000's to a slower datarate
like 2 or 3mb and sending the stuff over a wireless video trx system
on 5ghz (which is available for some 100$ here, no-licensed band).
It only outputs 10mW, good between two buildings, nothing more.

73,
Olaf
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:23:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] ("John Newgas")
Subject: Re: Running Baycom software with 'normal' TNC?
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 [e-mail] (CRONIN) asked
 in  Message-ID: <3vdlgq$[e-mail]>
> I have heard that Baycom software can be used with a regular TNC.

In the Latest QRZ CD-ROM there is a program MUBAYCOM which is intended to
be a Baycom Looka alike for use with a normal TNC.  I suppose the idea is
to make it easier for those who sometime use a normal TNC and sometiems a
Baycom type Modem.
John N.
G7LTQ/N2UYI


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:23:06 1995
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>For all you Os/2 - Warp fans out there:  Why are you so threatened?
>Why?

I'm not, OS/2 is superior in multitasking (not task switching)several DOS programs.
 I run some windows stuff but mostly DOS & OS/2 apps.
>
>It bogs down my machine, more, crashes more on my machine, Runs Slower
>because it has more overhead and has to load a DOS session so it can
>run windows! Talk about putting something unstable on top of something
>stable and then think that you are safe.  Run the program  and pound
>on it, sure it might save you from GPFs and might keep you going at a
>SNAILs pace but you will keep on going like the energizer bunny!!
>
>Total crashes 3  total time of use on  my  computer 3 months
>
This doesn't make sense to me, Warp runs faster on my system in most tasks,
I never notice a slowdown when it swaps (barely noticeble in W95) & the only
time I've crashed OS/2 is when I try really hard (haven't been able to crash WARP
without doing something dumb with hardware) or I'm running an unstable beta.

>Windows 95 - ahhhhhhh - says it all!!!! Only crashed once one first
>build (preview addition 1) and once on the second build ( June test
>release)
>
>Total crashes 2  approximate time used 3 months.
>
Try running a couple DOS comm programs out different ports & then access
your ethernet with Jnos, computer freezes, both builds, waiting for final code
to see if it still does.

>Draw your own conclusions: But I know I am not a brain dead! And I
>have made the choice for me!  From my conclusions, if you have the
>horse power and dont mind the over head then it would be a race
>between NT and Os/2 but when you are talking ease of use and quick
>easy installation, I know windows 95 wins there!
>
>Please keep in mind three things before flaming me with hate mail.
>1.  My best friend who is a Os/2 computing ZAR loves Os/2 and has
>great reasons (none for me but good reasons)
>2.  I have tried both and both, BOTH, HAVE there own good points!
>3.  I like people not hate them!
>
I agree that both have their good points & I'm really impressed by W95. Warp is
a pain to install in comparasion for instance. I've only had W95 since the preview
came out. On my machine- 486-66, 20M ram, 4-350+ meg hard drives (1 IDE, 3 SCSI)
Warp works better, W95 can't use the drives as well & wants to swap more. I'll
admit this is a lot of machine for either one but the people asking me about W95
have 4M, 250M HDD, W95 won't work for them so I tell them to wait. I feel that if
you build a machine to where it runs W95 well you just as well throw Warp on it &
not get lost in the "made for W95" mess that's coming. If you can't handle the OS/2
installation (it's not nearly as bad as 2.1 was) then try W95, it is a good upgrade
to W3.11. 73

Dan Hupp [e-mail]  [e-mail]



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From: "Manuel A. Maseda  WF1J" <[e-mail]>
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Anyone figure out how to interface JVFAX with the 2232?


Manuel  WF1J



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[e-mail] (Ian McEachern VE3PFH) wrote:
>Can anyone tell me where the latest version of APRS would
>be located?
>

Try ftp.tapr.org in /tapr/sig/aprs/upload (some of these may be upper case, I
don't have the listing in front of me).

Bob
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From: [e-mail] (Johan van Dijk)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert White) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Robert White)
>Subject: Make $50 000 cash fast, I did!!
>Date: 2 Aug 95 03:37:46 GMT

>Never Go Broke Again!

nice wishfull thinking.


>        Dear Friend,

>        I'll be the first to admit the previous message sounds too good to
>be true, but it just might be true for you!  You only need to invest $5
>in this scheme, so even if it didn't work, the most you could possibly lose
>is $5.  Why not give it a shot?

no, I preferre drinking a beer from my $5.

text deleted

>Remember-  This program fails only if you are not honest.  Please be
>           honorable, and it WILL WORK FOR YOU!

It will work for the few in the top of the pyramid.

>Good luck!  Remember to spread this message as far as you can!


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:23:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Sasa Grgasovic - FSB)
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Subject: Baycom & LINUX
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I have a Baycom modem and a Linux. Can this two things work together or I'll
have to buy a TNC?

Thanks for you answers!


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From: [e-mail] (FBenterprises)
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Subject: FBenterprises Web Page
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Just a quick announcement of FBenterprises new Web Page.  FBenterprises sells
Amateur Radio Publications, including Repeater Maps, and the full line of ARRL
Publications (at a DISCOUNT!).

The URL for the page is:

http://www.teleport.com/~radio/ham.html

Thank you!

73!

Bob Martin N7JXN
FBenterprises


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From: [e-mail] (Dave Roberts)
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Subject: Re: Where to buy NET/ROM Firmware?
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In article <3vlqms$[e-mail]>,
   Rick George <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Anyone know where one can purchase net/rom firmware for
>TNC2 compatibles? If so, please reply to
>[e-mail] >>> Tnx de KD1LC.
>

Buy ?

Why buy ?

The original netrom code was sold commercially to amateurs,
but I think software 2000 (?) have stopped supporting it.

There are a number of versions freely available for amateur use
( not available for commercial application )

try

TheNet X-1J4 from ftp.ucsd.edu in the hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming
directory. Look for the files X1J*.* and hotncold.*

Dave


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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  > We often get requests for information, as we did from AD4WP, send them a
  > newsletter and brief outline of the features of our software, and hear
  > nothing back.

  [ clip ]

  >         73 -- Jeff, WA4EGT
  >         InterFlex Systems
  >         [phone]

  Well, here's a request you can answer. When am I going to get a working
  copy? I paid for the program, received it and a bad serial number. You
  and Lynn have consistantly dodged the issue and so far have NEVER made
  any attempt to rectify the situation.

  It's been several years and I'm STILL waiting.

  Would you like more copies of the cancled check?
  How long is this gonna take.

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In article <3vlhrt$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Burchett) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>   [e-mail] (Mark Bramwell) wrote:
>>I know that the US callbook can be downloaded from its source but I was
>>wondering if Industry Canada is online with their database also?
>>
>>I don't mean callsign.cs.buffalo.edu.  The canadian portion of that service
>>tends to be very old.  I am looking for recent data.
>>
>>Is there a better place to ask?
>
>
>    You betcha!   You can go directly to
>
>http://www.com-west.com/com-west/b-dx.htm
>
> or a better place to start browsing for ham radio stuff with a Canadian
>flavour is:
>
>http://ve7tcp.ampr.org/
>
>which will get you to Com-West services also.  (Com-West being a commercial
>outfit with links to other web services)
>
>73, Gary VE6BBD

Sorry Gary, but the hamflat7.zip file is outdated now, the date is Mar 12.
I have not found anywhere a newer version. May be you can help...
Regards,
Clem.

--
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:23:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
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Subject: Re: How will Win95 help us?
Date: 3 Aug 1995 16:36:27 GMT
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Jeffrey Sloman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey) wrote:

: >Jeffrey Sloman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

: >: >In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman) writes:
: >: >>[e-mail] (Rik Van Riel) wrote:
: >: >>>... Linux: release the workstation in your PC...   for free!
: >: >>
: >: >>Now there is an easy to configure product, with lots of commercial
: >: >>apps available...NOT.

: >: >Again banging the "it's not an appliance drum", let me say that
: >: >Linux is both a strong and stable OS platform, and fully open
: >: >for the education of the user.

: >: This is wonderful, for those who desire to learn UNIX

: >   Fine, you don't have to learn it.

: I already know it--I was referring to those that have no need to know
: UNIX.

   Most things in this world are not truly *needed*.  However, our
lives are enhanced by the *habit* of learning, even if you see
no immediate requirement for it.  And, if the acquisition of the
knowledge will allow you access to better tools, so that you can
achieve your wants more easily, why not put out the effort?

: >But you'll be missing out
: >on additional power that the system can provide, when compared to
: >the barely-stable functionality of the various incarnations of
: >MS-DOS/Windows.

: This is a gratuitous assertion.  It is not borne out by my experience,
: and it is clearly not possible since the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of
: desktop computers used in business run this software.

   Yes, and the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of help desk problems at the
numerous companies where I've worked and consulted at deal with the
problems associated with the use of an unstable OS and its
applications.  Namely, DOS and Windows.  I've been out there for
13 years now, and have seen how desktop OS's have evolved from
CP/M to their current state.  So no, my observations in real,
working environments are far from "gratuitous assertions."  The
major reason for the widespread use of MS/DOS and Windows is
nothing more than inertia, and excellent marketing.  When technical
merit is considered, the combination cannot measure up to truly
protected OS's.

: >I'm currently running a fully-connected internet
: >node, AMPR tcp/ip gateway, HTTP server, and acting as a firewall
: >for my wife's OS/2 machine on a cheap 386/33 with 8MB.  And my system uptime
: >is 129 days, without a crash.  Windows wouldn't stay up for a *day*
: >under those conditions.  I know, because I've tried.


: >Regardless, XWindows

: . . .the name of the window manager is "X Window", there is no "s". .

   Show a little respect for yourself.  Attempting to use distractions
to cover up your inability to support your arguments is demeaning.  If
you are so concerned about such matters, please note that the product
you are attempting to support is Microsoft Windows.  Now did that
add anything?

: > is NOT the OS - it's merely a presentation layer for
: >applications.  WinX, on the other hand, proclaims itself as an OS with
: >a standard presentation layer.  A subtle, but crucial difference.  You
: >can replace X with MGR, et al. if you don't happen to like it.  With
: >WindowsX, the most you can do is replace the Program Manager, which
: >is not at all the same thing.

: I run X Window on my Windows NT box, and you can not tell it is not a
: UNIX box.  I happen to like Explorer considerably more that X11 or
: OpenWindows in any case.

   As I said above, a snazzy presentation layer doesn't make or break
the appropriateness of an OS for a given use.  When you are running X on
your NT machine, you still haven't managed to escape the necessity of
running on top of the presentation layer that Microsoft dictates.  I have
no argument that NT 3.5 is a perfectly servicible OS.

: >: >though you can make it emulate an Etch-A-Sketch too if you start up X. Unlike Windoze, Linux
: >: >won't crash because an application went nuts,

: >: Never heard of a kernel panic, eh?

: >   No, I've never encountered one with the 1.2.x kernels.  I do,
: >however, GPF my Windows machine at work an average of 5-6 times
: >per day,

: Sounds like you need some help configuring your Windows machine, or
: you need some realistic expectations about what your machine is
: capable of.

   But you claim below that Windows is a breeze to configure.  You can't
have it both ways.  As for realistic expectations, I've had to reboot
3 times this morning.  In one case, I had the Reflection terminal
software open, and started up MS Word.  Immediately after loading my
document, Program Manager GPF'd.  Are you claiming that it's unreasonable
to expect that I should be able to even *load* a document while I have
a TCP connection open?  In the other two reboots, I was in the midst of
running the Borland C++ 4.5 compiler, with no other tasks running.
Is that too much to ask of a 486/66 with 32MB of memory?

: I use Windows ALL DAY and rarely require rebooting the
: machine, though I am using many large applications.  Usually a reboot
: is required because I have installed an ill behaved application to
: test it.

   PRECISELY my point.  Ill-behaved applications should *NEVER* cause
a reasonable OS to require a reboot.  As applications become larger and
larger, they are only going to become more and more ill-behaved.  And
if the OS is unable to compensate, it cannnot be considered to be an
appropriate tool for mission-critical tasks.  It may "work", but
after factoring in the concrete costs from support requirements, as
well as productivity costs from the interruptions, you end up spending
far more than you should.

: >with the help of your much-vaunted commercial software.
: >Word 6.0, typically, is the immediate cause, as it merrily stomps
: >through other applications descriptor arenas.

: Don't have this problem, myself.

   A sample set of 1 isn't significant.  We've had to backrev to
previous versions of Word, which have their own problems, to
escape some of the more pernicious bugs.  Not a trivial task,
when you have to deal with hundreds or thousands of machines.

: >: >and unlike
: >: >Windoze 95.8, you can actually have more than 4 or 5 tasks
: >: >running at the same time, and they'll actually have some decent
: >: >performance, even on a non-supercharged machine.

: >: Hmmm... last time I checked, my desktop machine running Win95 was
: >: doing everything I needed.  My Linux machine, on the other hand, was
: >: sitting idle with a blown-up file system, waiting for me to fix it.

: >   I hope you have a good backup, considering that our machines with
: >the Win95 "Golden" beta blew away several filesystems in quick
: >succession.

: I venture to say that you are not the person who actually uses those
: beta Windows 95 machines, because what you are saying is simply not
: the common experience.

   Making assumptions will get you into more trouble than its worth.  I
am, in fact, the person who uses the machines, and I also have the
job of restoring the filesystems.  As for the experience being uncommon,
you might want to peruse some of the Windows groups.  The problem
is not as uncommon as you appear to think.

: >When they managed to stay up, of course.

: More gratuitous assertions.

   More large-scale experience, in working environments.

: >Pretty sad
: >when you consider that it was running on Compaq machines, which are
: >as standard in the business world as you could ask for,

: Please, you haven't proven a thing, this is gratuitous nonsense.
: Please explain exactly what problems Windows 95 Golden code had with
: Compaq machines--I am sure that Microsoft would be very interested in
: your report.

   As I said before, it blows away filesystems on SystemPro machines that use
industry-standard Adaptec 1542 SCSI controllers.  And yes, they were
interested.  And no, didn't have any solutions for the problem.

: >whereas
: >my home Linux node is performing an order of magnitude more work
: >on a $50.00 Pacific-rim clone motherboard.

: An order of magnitude?  Measured how?

  In data traffic, if nothing else.  The linux node has routed almost
3GB of data without a reboot.  Our WindowsX machines could never come
close to that measure.

: Don't obfuscate.  Can you get the best selling Windows applications in
: versions that will run under Linux?

: >You may have heard of niche product called "Wordperfect",

: In my opinion Word is far superior to Word Perfect.

: >for example.  As for Word 6.0 being a "spectacular" tool, well, I suppose
: >if you want to call an application that regularly trashes its files,

: not here . . .

: >whose filters can often translate less than 50% of a converted file
: >correctly,

: not here . . .

: >and that crashes more often than not,

: This is just plain silly--son't you have any repest for those reading
: this news group?

   Again, your professed sample size of one isn't statistically
significant when compared to a sample size of thousands.  Please call
again when you have comparable measurements.

- Rich


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:23:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Smith)
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I wish that  AEA, or MFJ would make a PCMCIA card, to be the ultimate
in portable packet.
-73- De Greg, N8PPZ


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:23:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Stan Huntting)
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Subject: Re: Software for packet(newbie)
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In article <3vm73b$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...

>I picked up a Kantronics 9612 to get started in packet. The
>pacterm software that came with it looks like a terminal emulator.
>Are there other software packages out there aside from the *nos systems?

If you run MS Windows (3.11 or Win95) you should try KaWin. It's designed
specifically for Kantronics TNCs and runs them in Host Mode.

73, Igottago... Stan ..

KaWin Home Page:    http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/

KaWin FTP Site:     ftp.csn.net in the directory /kawin
--
Stan Huntting
Boulder, CO, USA
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:23:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Morris @ignite)
Subject: Re: Looking for HIGH SPEED modems?
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In <3vnn2j$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (ESRAC) writes:
>We are wondering if there are HIGH SPEED modems available with speeds
> UP to 128 kbit/s to be used in a link between two PC's on 23cm/70cm.

Here are 3 URLs for good sources of information on high speed packet:

  http://www.mindspring.com/~bobm/

  http://hydra.carleton.ca/articles/hispeed.html

  ftp://col.hp.com/hamradio/packet/n6gn/index.html

--GaryM


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:23:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mel Martin)
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Subject: Re: Packet program for HP150?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Greg Dolkas) writes:
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>I managed to pick up an HP-150 computer system (the original), with disk and
>printer.  I won't say how much, out of respect for this fine machine.

>I'd like to get into packet some day, and thought it'd be a good machine to
>run it on.  The problem is that the 150 is not a complete PC compatible -
>it's more of a DOS compatible (i.e. if you only use DOS calls, things usually
>work).

>Has anyone used a 150 for packet?  I mean, more than using it as a "dumb
>terminal"?  What software did you use, and where can I get a copy of it?

>Thanks,

>Greg  KO6TH

Hey! You want another one?

Seriously though, I'd be interested too. BTW I paid about $4,000 for mine.
(Yes it was a few years back!)

Mel, VE2DC.


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From: "Arthur E. Sowers" <[e-mail]>
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I have not heard any rumors yet, but does anyone doubt that there will be
a Windows 96 release in a year or so?

Art Sowers, W4PON









From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:23:20 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: How will Win95 help us?
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman) writes:
>be confused to know that Linux is NOT the universal solvent of Intel
>platform operating systems.  There is plenty good about it, there are
>many good applications to which to put it, but IT IS NOT AS
>REPLACEMENT FOR WINDOES 95.

and we're thankful for that.

i think after they finally deliver a few truckloads, i'll bet we'll be hearing
that windows for workgroups is the replacement for windows 95.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:23:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Dolkas)
Subject: Packet program for HP150?
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I managed to pick up an HP-150 computer system (the original), with disk and
printer.  I won't say how much, out of respect for this fine machine.

I'd like to get into packet some day, and thought it'd be a good machine to
run it on.  The problem is that the 150 is not a complete PC compatible -
it's more of a DOS compatible (i.e. if you only use DOS calls, things usually
work).

Has anyone used a 150 for packet?  I mean, more than using it as a "dumb
terminal"?  What software did you use, and where can I get a copy of it?

Thanks,

Greg  KO6TH


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From: [e-mail] (rwf)
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Subject: Atlanta Packet Balloon Launch Aug 5th
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 08:30:36 -0400
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ATLANTA BALLOONATICS


Balloon #4 Mission Update as of Aug 4, 1995 at 12:00Z


As you probably know, last Saturday's balloon experiment (carrying a GPS,
packet radio, and ATV camera and transmitter)  was postponed due to weather.
It was rescheduled to Saturday August 5th.

Lots of bad weather is still passing through this area due to Hurricane Erin.  Many damaging thunderstorms occurred
 throughout last night.

A preliminary go/no go decision will be made this afternoon, around lunch time.
 I'll try to get the word out here as quickly as possible.

Bill Brown, WB8ELK, is almost a "local" now, living in Huntsville AL and has told us he will be attending this launch.

If you do not have EMAIL access at home, you can get an update from our info line at [phone].
The info on there at the moment is very stale, and I probably will not update
it until after 17:00Z. today.




   Ralph Fowler, N4NEQ                S.E.R.A. ATV Technical Advisor

   [e-mail]                                     Atlanta, GA USA
   Web:    http://www.mindspring.com/~rwf     for ATV, Balloon, and Ham info
   FTP:     ftp.mindspring.com/users/rwf            for ATV, GPS, APRS info
   ATV and GPS Balloon Flight coming up Aug 5th from Atlanta, GA
  APRS web page: http://www.mindspring.com/~rwf/aprs.html



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:23:22 1995
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Joe Carvalho ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Are there other software packages out there aside from the *nos systems?

Try paKet. It's easy to use and doesn't require much effort to get it
up and running. It has lots of features and well liked.
It's available from ftp.funet.fi and many other locations. The current
version is 6.1.

John, WB3ESS



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 04 16:23:23 1995
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From: [e-mail]@204.138.239.65
Subject: HAPN plug-in TNC software for OS/2
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  We are looking for Beta testers for OS/2 packet radio software.
 If interested send E-mail to [e-mail]

73,
         John Vandenberg VE3DVV


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From: [e-mail] (rwf)
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Subject: A "GO" for the Atlanta Packet Balloon 8/4/95
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Yes!!  It looks like a GO




Atlanta Balloon Update as of 3 August 1995:

All equipment for all packages on hand.
Payloads modules tested.  Final integration complete.
Launching from Crossroads, GA. (NW of Dallas)


ATLANTA BALLOONATICS

Balloon #4 Mission Status

DATE/TIME
            :   Saturday  August 4th       or   Sunday  August 5th
            :   Release 0930EDT (1330Z)        0930EDT (1330Z)
            :   Weather conditions will control exact time of release


RELEASE SITE:

     :   Crossroads Elementary School, North of Dallas, GA
          WB8ELK  (Bill Brown) will be in attendance
     :   Coordinates 3400.48N  08446.12W

      :   Payload weight : 2.27kg (5-pounds)
      :   Balloon        : TOTEX TA-1200
      :   Helium         :  180 cu ft.
      :   Ascent rate    : 750 fpm
      :   Max altitude   : 110,000ft
      :   Max radio range: 640km (400sm)


FREQUENCIES
AND MODES

            :       Packet Radio Downlink     441.0 MHz  2W
            :       Retransmitted from ground into APRS net on
                      145.79 MHz and on 10.151 MHz LSB
            :       Standard AX.25 1200BPS AFSK FM
            :       Sending  APRS-compatible NMEA-183 GPS navigation data
            :       No Open digipeating.  No receiver.  Don't try.

            :       Altitude & Temperature telemetry on:
                    146.575 MHz ,  28.322 MHz , &  438.5 MHz (wide band TV
                    audio)

            :       B&W ATV camera with 1 watt AM transmitter on 434.0 MHz


            :       All antennas vertically polarized


EXPERIMENTS :   More experiments in BASIC stamp control of balloon payloads.
                               Basic Stamp controlled servo/mirror for multiple camera views.
                               1 12 bit altimeter and 2 8 bit temperature sensors (inside and outside)
                                data will be sent as CW on the 10 and 2 meter frequencies


For more details about this project, as well as telemetry decoding charts-
see the WWW addreess listed below






   Ralph Fowler, N4NEQ                S.E.R.A. ATV Technical Advisor

   [e-mail]                                     Atlanta, GA USA
   Web:    http://www.mindspring.com/~rwf     for ATV, Balloon, and Ham info
   FTP:     ftp.mindspring.com/users/rwf            for ATV, GPS, APRS info
   ATV and GPS Balloon Flight coming up August 4th from Atlanta, GA
  APRS web page: http://www.mindspring.com/~rwf/aprs.html





From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Eric Bertrem)
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Subject: APRS ?
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Hello,

I'd like to know how APRS is working. I mean, when you have a GPS-TNC in your
car, what do you do ? Do you have to connect to an APRS system to report your
position, or simply send unproto frames ?
What's happening if you leave the coverage of your local digipeater ? Is
there a way to set an alternate connect path ?

Thanks for any comments about APRS, I'd like to test it, but need to know
more before :-)

73s

Eric BERTREM
Email  : [e-mail]
Packet : [e-mail] (digi F6BIG-2)



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (rwf)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Eric Bertrem) writes:



>I'd like to know how APRS is working. I mean, when you have a GPS-TNC in your
>car, what do you do ? Do you have to connect to an APRS system to report your
>position, or simply send unproto frames ?


If you are running the APRS program on a laptop or other computer in your car,
the APRS program sends your position into the network as you move.  If your
GPS is connected straight to a TNC (with no computer) it is suggested  to
set the GPS to output a position sentence every few minutes.  The TNC is set
up in the CONVERSE mode and will transmit the position in a UI frame.

If you have one of the newer TNCs that supports GPS directly, it will have
settings that willcause it to hold the position reports and transmit them
periodically.



>What's happening if you leave the coverage of your local digipeater ? Is
>there a way to set an alternate connect path ?

Yes, you use the U (Unproto) command of APRS to set the path towards your
destination.

Most aprs digis here are all on the same frequency: 145.79     They are all
aliased as WIDE  and some also as RELAY.  So if you go into a new area, you
can try using WIDE as the path.  That way you need not know the call of the
digi in that area.  They beacon occasionally, so they may pop up on your
screen before you get into their coverage area.


>Thanks for any comments about APRS, I'd like to test it, but need to know
>more before :-)

There is an APRS mailing list maintained at the TAPR site.  It is very
informative.

To sign up, send Email to  [e-mail]
On the first line, put     Subscribe aprssig

I don' t think you have to add anything, but if you don't start getting about
10 messages a day, do it again, putting :

Subscribe aprssig eric bertrem

on the first line.  My mind is blank as to the correct way right now.


Check my www page for more APRS info:

http://www.mindspring.com/~rwf


'73
Ralph


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From: [e-mail] (rwf)
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The correct date is  Sat Aug 5th  Rain date is Sun Aug 6th



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (john lawrence pawluk)
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Subject: Re: Atlanta balloon   Sorry wrong date
Date: 5 Aug 1995 13:38:37 GMT
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rwf ([e-mail]) wrote:
: The correct date is  Sat Aug 5th  Rain date is Sun Aug 6th

Good luck Ralph! Hope everything goes right, wish we could see it from
Ca. :-(

73 - John - KB6MMF - http://www.realm.net/~jpawluk/KB6MMF.html

The Amateur Television Network




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From: [e-mail] (rwf)
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Subject: Atlanta Balloon Flight Is Now History
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 23:11:32 -0400
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On August 5th, after a 1 hour weather hold,our balloon was launched from
Crossroads Elementary School near Dallas, GA.   Bill Brown (WB8ELK) and his
girlfriend were there to lend a hand.

We even had an unplanned experiment: "Ants in Space" (with apologies to Gerry
Creager's cows).  Someone had set the GPS payload down on an anthill, and we
were going to have the first amateur "Antronauts". :(

At liftoff, something caused the bottom payload (the GPS/TNC/TEKK Radio) to separate from the flight train.
This caused the balloon to ascend with only the ATV payload, Radar reflector,
parachute, and 10 and 2 meter beacons.

Those payloads worked flawlessly, and the fox hunters DF'ed the balloon with the aid of APRS and manual beam
headings, handi finders and Doppler units. A local fellow has a Company
(Directional Systems) that makes a NICE Doppler unit.

After a two hour flight, the package landed on a farm, in a 100 ft high Sweet Gum tree.  The farmer tried to
shoot down the package for us with a rifle, but couldn't get all the strings.
His son finally felled the tree and we cut it up into logs and stacked it for
him.  The payloads, including the video with servo controlled moving mirror
all worked while the balloon was in the tree and during the tree felling.

By the way, the first person to the balloon was WB8ELK.  I know telemetry was received in Huntsville by KE4EER.
Any one else receive our beacons?


We'll post some images on the web site soon. And I will post the HST file of the DFing activities as well.


We have 1 balloon and 1 tank of helium left, so we'll fly it again soon (ALL of it, I hope)



For more details about this project, as well as telemetry decoding charts-
see the WWW address listed below


   Ralph Fowler, N4NEQ                S.E.R.A. ATV Technical Advisor

   [e-mail]                                     Atlanta, GA USA
   Web:    http://www.mindspring.com/~rwf     for ATV, Balloon, and Ham info
   FTP:     ftp.mindspring.com/users/rwf            for ATV, GPS, APRS info

  APRS web page: http://www.mindspring.com/~rwf/aprs.html





From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Donnell - KD7NM)
Subject: Re: Baycom & LINUX
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In article <3vq296$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I have a Baycom modem and a Linux. Can this two things work together or
I'll
>have to buy a TNC?
>
>Thanks for you answers!

It seems like you'll either be buying a TNC or a computer to dedicate to
the Baycom modem.  The way the Baycom modem works demands virtually
instant and pretty full attention of the computer it runs on.  This is
not consistent with what a multi-task operating system is designed to
provide.  This is because the Baycom modem has no 'smart' processing
capability, therefore it's left to the computer to measure the timing for
the data coming from the modem (on receive) and to create the timing for
the data going to the modem (on transmit).  If the computer's processor
is busy doing something else, the time involved to switch back to the
Baycom driver task will probably be too in excess of the requirement, and
the packet will not be decoded or encoded properly.  With a multi-task
operating system, the chance of the processor being busy elsewhere is
high, so much so that your chances of decoding any but maybe the smallest
packets are quite small.

Since the folks who write code generally understand the problems imposed
by multi-task operating systems, they know the task is pretty hopeless.

Note that I did mention what may be an alternative:  Using a dedicated
computer.  If you were to run the Baycom AX.25 to Ethernet Packet driver
simulator software, then load and configure a version of NOS to talk to
the packet driver (on one COM port) and to a SLIP link over to the linux
box, you might get this to work.  I've used the Baycom AX.25 driver
described above to run Jnos on a 386sx/20 machine, but have not tried to
run a slip link at the same time over to the linux (or any other)
computer.  But it might work - maybe even with a '286 machine.  I've not
heard of anyone having luck running the AX25 driver with NOS on an
8088-class system at all, and I know some guys locally that've tried.

Hope this information is useful, and if you get it running with a
dedicated computer for the Baycom driver and NOS, I'm sure there are
others that would be interested in hearing about it.

73 and GL

Bob



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Victor S. Gregg)
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Subject: Re: Bets on Windows 96?
Date: 6 Aug 1995 09:33:28 -0700
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Arthur E. Sowers ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I have not heard any rumors yet, but does anyone doubt that there will be
: a Windows 96 release in a year or so?
: Art Sowers, W4PON

Art,

 I'm going to suggest that this is off topic for the r.r.a.d.m group,
and I'm sure that I'm risking flamage for following up, but since this
is the only question I have read here that I do know the answer to,
I will give the following reply.

I have read that there will be a bug-fix release for Win95 in 1Q96
and that no other major update will be available until 97.  This
is also true for Windows NT.  There will be a version that adds the
"95" interface to NT in 1Q96, but the next major update will not be
until 97.  I hope that answers your question, and doesn't provoke too
many responses that do not relate this back to the topic of digital
radio.  By the way, I have some experience with NT 3.5 has anyone
tried running the various NOS programs on NT?

Victor S. Gregg, KF4BUX











From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Smits)
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Subject: Re: Computers for Digital Modes
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tovar) writes:
>>    >
>>    >Does anyone have any suggestions concerning 1) what brands of PC should be
>>    >avoided because of RFI? and 2) how difficult is it to clean up RFI from a
>>    >computer if you do have it?  Conversely, what brands of PC's are especially
>>    >QUIET as far as RFI is concerned?
>>
>>    1) Unless it is Tempest certified, they all radiate noise, and it
>>    often varies as much unit to unit as it does brand to brand.
>>    It has more to do with the care with which they are assembled
>>    than it does with the name of the manufacturer on the front.
>>    Especially for no name clones, you are really at the mercy of
>>    the luck of the draw.
>>
>>Yes, and the Macs are NOT alot better in that respect either.
>>
>>You missed an important one, Gary.  (I'm surprised.)
>
>The Mac has less than 10% market share in desktop machines, and less
>than that among amateurs, so I generally don't bother to mention it
>by name. I did note that the manufacturer's name on the front makes
>little difference. While we are talking about niche machines, however,
>I'd note that the Commodore C64 is generally quieter than your run of
>the mill PC.
>
>Gary
>

While we're discussing noisy computors, does anyone know where I can get
better (from an RFI viewpoint) cases? I had seen a post about a year ago
advertising surplus Tempest certified cases, but it looks like my
experiment with OS/2 did it in.

I need to do a lot of work on my computors to regain a quiet environment,
but I'd like a reasonable place to start from....


Bob, VE7HS

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:18 1995
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Subject: Re: Computers for Digital Modes
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    >
    >Does anyone have any suggestions concerning 1) what brands of PC should be
    >avoided because of RFI? and 2) how difficult is it to clean up RFI from a
    >computer if you do have it?  Conversely, what brands of PC's are especially
    >QUIET as far as RFI is concerned?

    1) Unless it is Tempest certified, they all radiate noise, and it
    often varies as much unit to unit as it does brand to brand.
    It has more to do with the care with which they are assembled
    than it does with the name of the manufacturer on the front.
    Especially for no name clones, you are really at the mercy of
    the luck of the draw.

Yes, and the Macs are NOT alot better in that respect either.

You missed an important one, Gary.  (I'm surprised.)

7) Make sure your modem is well-shielded as well, there's a good chance
   there's a fast processor hidden inside.  For example, there are
   now on the market 28.8 Kb/sec modems with no shielding whatsoever!
   (And they even has a "Part 15" stickers on the back...)

Life is tough for those of us without roof access and have to do computing
as well.

Also, watch out for laptops in sensitive applications.  For example, you may
be better off going by-guess-and-by-golly aiming at a satellite by hand than
by having a laptop nearby to tell you where to point.  Of course, that will
depend both on your radio and your computer.

Have fun.
                        -- KD6PAG  (networking old-timer, RF newbie)


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (William Rice)
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Subject: hf digital voice
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I'm interested in hf digital voice. Does anyone know of a good
reference on the subject? What is/are good vocoders. What are general
experiences with digital voice? Thanks, David Panek KE4MLV


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Olaf Erb)
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Subject: Re: Looking for HIGH SPEED modems?
Date: 5 Aug 1995 18:06:00 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Eric Bertrem <[e-mail]> wrote:
>You can find 5.6 GHz data-dedicated transceivers in Germany, available as
>kits. They are supposed to run up to 115200 Baud. At this moment, few 76k8 or
>28k8 links ar on the air.
>
>Let me know if you need more information, I'll email you the address of the
>distributor. Don't forget you'll only get German manuals ;-)

Maybe you have some problems with your machine, I tried to send mail
but only got this:
Your message was not delivered to   [e-mail]
        for the following reason:
        Unknown Address
        Nameserver error for infracom.gatelink.fr.net: Non existent
        host/domain (NXDOMAIN)

So I ask it here, could you send more info, please? Not if it is the
concept of df9ic, I already know it :-)

73,
Olaf
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:20 1995
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I am pleased to announce a new product offered by Positive Time Systems
called the RCS-I.  This is a radio controller that connects to any VHF/UHF
transceiver and can issue x-10 commands. (X-10 is a power line standard
for controlling devices throughout a building. Sears, Radio Shack, and
others offer these compatible units)
 The unit also has an alarm input, a listen feature, a short voicmail box,
and responds to all commands in a pleasant female voice. The system IDs
with your recorded voice and call sign.  This description doesn't do the
product justice, so please check out the new homepage at :

                http://www.halcyon.com/pos.time.sys/top

or you may email us with you address so that we can promptly send you
our brochure and newsletter.

NOTE: This product is intended for US voltages of 120 / 220 VAC.  Another
version will be offered to support other international power standards.
Email for more information.

Thank You,

Marshall Craw  <[e-mail]>
Positive Time Systems
North Bend, WA



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:21 1995
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From: "Michael E. Hair" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: NOS and TCP/IP Selecton
Date: 7 Aug 1995 01:42:32 GMT
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I am interested in setting up my TNC to use NOS, But have
no idea of where to start. I downloaded JNOS but I don't have
a C++ compiler.  Is there a version of NOS that I don't have
to compile to run?  If so will it work with a KAM plus in
KISS mode ?  I would like to eventally set up agate way
using both hf and vhf,  as well as packet to internet, if
I can find the write software.

Please respond by email to [e-mail] thanks

MIKE
WL7BA
NORTH POLE, AK 99705




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Keith Zimmermann)
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Subject: Re: Perseids packet test
Date: 7 Aug 1995 00:10:33 GMT
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Thanks for the information.  I'll be participating from Central Texas.

I've been spreading the news through the local packet BBS.

                      73,    K5WX  Keith Zimmermann
                                [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Karl Leite)
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Subject: Please, help me!
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    Dear friend,

    Thank you for reading this message!

    I have an old equipment Kenwood for 2M/FM, model TM-2550A.
    By the way, I have problem with that set now &I would like
    to repair as soon as possible.

    I looking for schematic  and  operating  manual to fix the
    trouble. Can you help me?

    I will pay you for xerox copies and shipping via airmail to
    my address:

    Karl M Leite
    Caixa Postal 385
    59001-970 NATAL, RN - Brazil

    I would like to thanks for valuable help in advance!

    Vy best wishes and 73,


     []'s, Karl Leite, Natal/RN - Brasil
          [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Thomason)
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Subject: Rotary encoders
Date: 7 Aug 1995 12:35:47 GMT
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Do rotary encoders "go off" after a year or so? Can they be repaired? Do they lose
their magnetism or is it just dust which gets inside?

I have a couple of digital radios which can be tuned by a knob, one cheap, one
expensive. In both cases, after a year's use, the frequency started to dither
around slightly whilst I smoothly turned the knob. I had thought this was due
to a brain-damaged chip but now think it must be the rotary encoder.

Many thanks,
Andrew Thomason ([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:24 1995
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From: sam@colossus (Sam Goldwasser)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,uk.radio.amateur,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Rotary encoders
Date: 07 Aug 1995 13:35:02 GMT
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In article <4051b3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Andrew Thomason) writes:

> Do rotary encoders "go off" after a year or so? Can they be repaired? Do they lose
> their magnetism or is it just dust which gets inside?
> I have a couple of digital radios which can be tuned by a knob, one cheap, one
> expensive. In both cases, after a year's use, the frequency started to dither
> around slightly whilst I smoothly turned the knob. I had thought this was due
> to a brain-damaged chip but now think it must be the rotary encoder.

> Many thanks,
> Andrew Thomason ([e-mail])

They should not.  You may have really cheap encoders - mechanical contacts
rather than optical or magnetic design.  These can be cleaned if you can
get at them.

The other types should last a long time.

--- sam


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Olaf Erb)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Searching for Motorola IC, help..
Date: 7 Aug 1995 12:28:57 GMT
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Hi,

For a modem application I need only about 4 of Motorola's MC 145428.
Distributors here in Germany don't have them and can only get it
in quantities of >1000 :-( Too bad.
(It's an synchron/asynchron converter for synchron data/rs232
conversion)

If anyone knows an address/fax or something (maybe outside Europe)
where I can get this chip I'd be very very happy..
No hams here working for Motorola :) ?

Thanks in advance,
Olaf, dc1ik
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:26 1995
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From: Bob Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Software for packet(newbie)
Date: 5 Aug 1995 20:49:52 GMT
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jkbe@zeus (John_Bednar) wrote:
>Joe Carvalho ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Are there other software packages out there aside from the *nos systems?
>
>Try paKet. It's easy to use and doesn't require much effort to get it
>up and running. It has lots of features and well liked.
>It's available from ftp.funet.fi and many other locations. The current
>version is 6.1.

A closer site would be ftp.tapr.org.  You can find it in
/tapr/software_lib/terminal/paket61.zip (also from www.tapr.org)

Bob

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Bob Nielsen                         Internet: [e-mail]
Tucson, AZ                          AMPRnet: [e-mail]
http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen    AX.25: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: tags
Date: 7 Aug 1995 16:35:59 GMT
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Dallas Semiconductor
Your local vet will stick one in your dog too



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:27 1995
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From: Tim Kearsley <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: UltraPak 3.0 beta available
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 95 09:18:16 GMT
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Hi all,
I have just uploaded today (Monday Aug 7th 1995) a beta version of
UltraPak 3.0, the Windows 3.1 terminal software for virtually ALL TNCs.
Version 3.0 has many new features, most significant of which are:

*  Personal BBS, allowing forwarding of mail, bulletins etc.
*  "Point and click" interface to reading BBS listings on screen
*  Automatic appending of signature file to messages
*  Much better connect list interface, allowing scripts
*  User-definable connect log

There is more, but the best thing is to try it!
The zipped up file set is called upak30b.zip and can be found at
ftp.demon.co.uk in the directory /pub/ham.  File size is 557,674 bytes.
The unzipped files occupy about 1.3 Mbytes.
It is a BETA version, so I shall be of course most interested to hear
your comments, criticisms, suggestions.
It normally takes a day to release new uploads at DEMON, so the file
should be available from Tuesday or Wednesday.
--
Tim Kearsley.  G4WFT@GB7LWB  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 07 15:55:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Graham Graieg)
Subject: Where: Wireless Tagged Equipment
Sender: [e-mail]
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 12:33:42 GMT
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Is there an orginisation that can provide or a device developed by
someone that allows a small electronic device to be attached to portable
equipment.

The device could be interogated by a hand held or fairly small unit and
thus be identified. The need is to take stock of fairly expensive
equipment quickly. This equipment is moved from building to building and
if such a device exists, then I have a customer in Australia who would be
interested in about 250000 of them!

If you can think of a better news group for this advise please let me
know.

Graham Graieg (Triad Computer Services)
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:39 1995
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From: Greg Richard <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: Act-Up
Subject: ADDRESS CHANGE

From: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Terrance R Redding)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Atari Ham Software
Date: 8 Aug 1995 02:20:10 GMT
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Atari amateur radio software is available free for the downloading from
Ben's Place, an Atari only support BBS.  Call 407 659-1961.  Latest
software titles include
Satellite tracking and prediction
Digipoint 4.05, packet BBS, Sat track and broadcast with rotor control
TCP/IP pe1chl
JNOS by KD6GEO
and many others.

73 Terry
WB5LMJ @ WB4MOZ.FL.USA.NA

--
Director Corporate Computer Training
Post Office Box 24708
Palm Beach Atlantic College
West Palm Beach, Florida  33416-4708

Terrence R Redding
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Barber)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Bets on Windows 96?
Date: 10 Aug 1995 06:41:09 GMT
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In article <402qso$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Victor S. Gregg) says:

[snip, cut, whack, etc..]
>By the way, I have some experience with NT 3.5 has anyone
>tried running the various NOS programs on NT?
>
>Victor S. Gregg, KF4BUX
>

Victor:
No, but I sure wish someone would write an 'amateur' tcpip.sys
for NT that would support WSOCK32..
Great things looking for a place to happen.

Jim Barber, N7CXI


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:41 1995
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From: Len Sanchez <[e-mail] >
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: DAVIS Weather Station/Packet Radio
Date: 9 Aug 1995 12:49:59 GMT
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Our Club has just purchased a Davis Weather station to be used at a repeater site and provide weather
data on packet radio to the Office of Emergency Management and National Weather Service.

Davis provides a modem program to connect to the station on the telephone, they do not, however
provide any relevant information on commands to interface to packet.

Any information would be welcome before we start trying to "re-invent the wheel"

Thanks in advance.


***************************************************
*  Len Sßnchez  [e-mail]     *
*  Carmel, New York 10512                  *
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (rwf)
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Subject: Re: DAVIS Weather Station/Packet Radio
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 13:04:11 -0400
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In article <40aatn$[e-mail]> Len Sanchez <[e-mail] > writes:



>Our Club has just purchased a Davis Weather station to be used at a repeater site and provide weather
>data on packet radio to the Office of Emergency Management and National Weather Service.

>Davis provides a modem program to connect to the station on the telephone, they do not, however
>provide any relevant information on commands to interface to packet.

>Any information would be welcome before we start trying to "re-invent the wheel"

>Thanks in advance.


>***************************************************
>*  Len Sßnchez  [e-mail]     *
>*  Carmel, New York 10512                  *
>***************************************************


Len-   The  APRS (Automatic Packet Reporting System) will send weather data
over packet.  Not only that, it will iconize it on a map of your area, the
state, the us, or world along with all the other reporting stations.

For a couple of sample screens and an information file, point your Web browser
at my site: http://www.mindspring.com/~rwf.  There is also a way to download
the program there.

Only problem is:   Davis is very protective of their protocol.  They sell a
disk for developers, but will not release the protocol, - so the APRS author
cannot support it.   Someoneshould really prod them to work with us and stop
being so protective!  I have 2 of the Peet Brothers WX units and they do
nicely.

As a matter of fact- the PEET will plug into a TNC and spurt out data that
can be recognized and iconized  by APRS WITHOUT having a computer at the WX
site!

There is a mailing list for APRS users as well.
To subscribe, send a message to  [e-mail]     on the first line of
the msg, put   subscribe aprssig


73

Ralph Fowler
N4NEQ
Atlanta GA

Hope this helps





From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Eric Jacksch)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Digital Pagers
Date: 8 Aug 1995 15:12:30 GMT
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I'd like to convert a few numeric pagers to ham frequencies for
experimentation...does anyone know what data format/modulation
these things use?


Thanks,
Eric.
[e-mail]
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:44 1995
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From: Jim Devenport <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Digital Pagers
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MRT (Mobile Radio Technology) has an extensive series of
articles written by Dave Ludvigson about servicing many
models of pagers and if one of the articles doesn't meet
your needs Dave could probably be contacted and give you
good advice.
(No connection to me of course!)
Mobile Radio Technology Magazine
Customer service: 1-800-441-0294
--
*********** Jim Devenport WB5AOX **************
*      PO Box 445, McIntosh NM 87032          *
*  505-832-1462 weekends, 667-1055 workdays   *
*        http://nis-www.lanl.gov/~jdport/     *
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Eric Bertrem)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: FlexNet for digipeaters
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                   FlexNet, a solution for digipeaters
                   ===================================

Have you ever heard about RMNC/FlexNet and PC/FlexNet systems ? The first
one runs with 6809 based cards, the second one on any PC compatible
computer (XT or even better 386).

The software has been written by Gunter Jost, DK7WJ @ DB0GV. It has
many interesting capabilities, such as :

 . automatic router : no more broadcasts (The Net), no static routing
                      (Rose / Fpac) ! The whole network is known on any
                      digipeater and is displayed in DESTINATIONS routes.

 . up to 15 radio channels on a PC/FlexNet + 1 used to interface with
   programs running on the same computer, as TSR for example.

 . any hardware can be used :

        . serial 1k2 Baycoms modems
        . Centronics 9600 Baud FSK Baycom modems (PAR96)
        . BayCom USCC cards (2, 4, or 8 channels, depending on the model)
        . Ethernet cards
        . Sound Blaster cards
        . KISS interface on COM ports (for PC-to-PC links, not for TNCs)
        . Texas Instrument DSP kit
        . SCC cards (not yet available, but soon)

          etc...

   If you don't find *your* card, a driver kit is available : you can program
   your own interface !

 . A "service interface" allows the use of remote DOS commands (sysop only)
   and offers a watchdog function : if your PC hangs, it restarts
   the digipeater.

 . FlexNet uses auto-parameters : Persist, Maxframe and few other parameters
   get values according to the trafic on each radio channel.

 . User friendly interface : no more "phone numbers" (Rose) or out-of-range
   routes :

      C W1AAA WA7MMM is enough to connect your friend 500 miles from home!
        ----- ------
          !     !------> output digi
          !------------> callsign of your correspondent

 . an IP router should be available soon, but at this moment, IP frames can
   be sent via the FlexNet network.


There are many other interesting features, but a bulletin wouldn't be long
enough :-)) At this moment, I have an English translation of the PC/FLEXNET
French documentation (home made, WORD 6 format only).
If you're interested, just send me an email, I'll send it UUEncoded.

I'm also looking for people who help me translating German / French into
English, or simply correct my mistakes.

I forgot : FlexNet is FREE, it has no commercial purpose and can only be
used on a ham-radio basis.

Vy 73s.

Eric BERTREM / F5PJE

Email : [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mnr PJ Le Riche)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Gunn Transceiver info needed
Date: 8 Aug 1995 11:35:20 GMT
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Hi!

I am an undergraduate student in Electronic Engineering at the University
of Stellenbosch in South Africa. For my final year project I have to build
a 10Mb/s microwave data link. For this reason I need info on microwave
transceivers, most notably Gunn diodes, etc. Unfortunately information is
a bit hard to come by so I am turning to the Internet for help...

I am particularly looking for information at Gunn transceivers in the 10 to
11 GHz range. I am quite interested in the NEC ND751AAM Gunn transceiver,
but I am unable to reach NEC through the net. Anybody out there know how to
contact them, or at least get some info?

Thanks,
Pierre



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Glenn Elmore)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Gunn Transceiver info needed
Date: 8 Aug 1995 14:59:29 GMT
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Mnr PJ Le Riche ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I am an undergraduate student in Electronic Engineering at the University
: of Stellenbosch in South Africa. For my final year project I have to build
: a 10Mb/s microwave data link. For this reason I need info on microwave
: transceivers, most notably Gunn diodes, etc. Unfortunately information is
: a bit hard to come by so I am turning to the Internet for help...

: I am particularly looking for information at Gunn transceivers in the 10 to
: 11 GHz range. I am quite interested in the NEC ND751AAM Gunn transceiver,
: but I am unable to reach NEC through the net. Anybody out there know how to
: contact them, or at least get some info?

Pierre,
   For some more information on Gunn diode sources and running them at higher
speeds please see my web page:

        ftp://col.hp.com/hamradio/packet/n6gn/index.html

  To my knowldege, NEC has stopped making the ND751AAM and its companion
24 GHz transceiver.  THere are, however, workable substitutes.  At
higher speeds I would strongly recommend using something with electronic
tuning rather than trying to bias-push tune.  While the non-electronic
tuned transceivers work fine for receiving, they don't have enough
bandwidth to do well at 10 Mbps.  I was only able to get about 8 Mbps
out of the ND751s I originally used in my articles.
  The Ma/Comm Gunnplexers or other similar devices appear to have plenty of
capability to go to 10 Mbps or faster.

Good luck on your project.


Glenn Elmore n6gn

amateur IP:     [e-mail]
Internet:       [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:48 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Help: INterface PacComm and Kenwood TM-742A
Date: 9 Aug 95 10:52:54 GMT
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Date sent:  9-AUG-1995 05:50:03

Anyone here know how to interface a PacComm HandiPacket TNC with a Kenwood
TM742A ?  A good friend advises me that I need a resistor and capacitor but
I am not sure of the values and the correct placement...
Please respond to me directly as I don't want to miss it...
thankyou.
...Darrell
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:49 1995
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Subject: Re: How will Win95 help us?
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> I read with interest your article on windows95.
> I received my beta copy and installed it over Windows 3.11 for
> work-groups.
>
> However  it seemed to have a lot of trouble with my Diamond Viperpci
> graphic's card.
>
> At boot time it takes as long as 5 min. to get Win95  up and running.
>
> All this time it sits in the Windows Screen ( the one with the moving
> arrows from right to left) and then finally seems to get there.
>
> I have heard that Windows 95  will not run with the Family of Diamond
> graphic's cards.
>
> I wonder if you have heard of this and if so what the fix might be.

Surprised to hear you are having problems. I am using Win95 build 347 and
have had no problems getting it to work with the Diamond Stealth at 1280x1024,
In fact Win95 is the only thing that worked with it directly. I had to load
drivers to get it to work with Win3.1, but have had absolutely no success
getting it to work under OS/2.

I have had the OS/2 guru's at work try to get it up and running, but even
they had trouble. They keep on blaming the hardware.

I am interested in your comments since they (Diamond) insited that the
drivers for 2.1 should also work with Warp (I have tried 4 versions of
OS/2, none have worked properly with this card. It also had a lot of
problems with the SCSI devices) I am hoping that no problems will develop
with this card under Win 95 (The OS/2 guru's call it Wonder-Win.. It beats
me why they find the thing so threatening!)

The configuration is similar to what you indicated (Pentum 90 PCI, 32MB)

I have been using Win95 for a couple of months now and was very impressed with
how easy it was to get running. I use it as a basis for an EDA environment and
can run Protel (SCH&PCB win V2.8), Specctra (SB Router) and Altera's MaxplusII
(EPLD Design) all at the same time without problems. I definately could not do
that under Win 3.1 without crashes or running out of system resources!

For some reason your callsign is familiar.... VK3KVW....??

Regards

Bryan Ackerly (VK3YNG)




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tomokazu Kizawa)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Introduction of SPG-NEWS
Date: 9 Aug 1995 18:30:44 GMT
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Hello it is Tomokazu Kizawa(JO1SPG) of the Kanagawa Pref. Yokohama-city
in Japan.
Thank you for getting my message reading.

 Today,introduced E-mail system SPG-NEWS for the packet radio network which
I developed.
SPG-NEWS is client software characterized in the operation environment by GUI
which operates on Microsoft Windows.

 Each other of mail of RBBS such as F6FBB-TYPE and WORLI-TYPE, e-mail, and
electronic bulletin boards is forwarded.
Moreover, even if the forwarding setting with RBBS is not done, e-mail and
an electronic bulletin board can be automatically read and written in the
auto-pilot mode.
The auto-pilot mode connects with RBBS automatically and reads the message set
beforehand.
The message is automatically transmitted if there is a transmitted message.

 Received e-mail and electronic bulletin board can be read in the operation
environment by GUI.
The e-mail which wants to transmit and the content of an electronic bulletin
board can be edited with a built-in text editor.
The address can be easily specified only by specifying the address made a data
base with the mouse.
An environmental setting can be done very easily being possible to do to the
interactive mode.

 SPG-NEWS operates by Microsoft Windows (since version 3.1).
SPG-NEWS was developed with FM TOWNS (made by Fujitsu Limited) which was one
of the strongest, exciting multi media personal-computers in Japan. :-)
The development language was done with VisualBasic2.0 (Japanese version).
Of course, it is possible to operate with all machines where Microsoft Windows
runs because it is software for Microsoft Windows.
The operation is confirmed with the interchangeability machine of IBM-PC/AT.

 SPG-NEWS is announced by "Ham fair '95" held in the Tokyo international trade
fair hall in Tokyo on August 25 and is distributed in Japan.
To our regret, the one being prepared now is only a Japanese version.
However, because I want to have everybody in the world use SPG-NEWS, the
preparation for an English version is being advanced.
The development environment schedules Windows95 and VisualBasic4.0 (English
version).
SPG-NEWS English version aims at the release in the second quarter of 1996.
Please expect SPG-NEWS.

 Moreover, the one of the RBBS type of the mutual forwarding type also
schedules the development though SPG-NEWS is client software.
This is a development code name of WoodStream.
WoodStream is developed in Japan aiming at the beta test release in the third
quarter of 1996.
An English version schedules the release in the first quarter of 1997.

 SPG-NEWS is still software of development on the way.
I want to have a lot of persons use SPG-NEWS and get guidance.
My best regards.

            DE [e-mail] Tomokazu Kizawa
                   E-mail: [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: KAGOLD (AND PKGOLD)
Distribution: world
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Take note: The following is a retraction...

I'd like to point out that Jeff called me this afternoon and the entire
matter has been settled.

It was an unfortunate chain of circumstances, but it has been resolved.

My "broken" shareware program has be "fixed" and I've bought an upgrade
to KaGold so I will be able to report on how it works from my standpoint.

Anyways, I'm happy to put the matter to rest.

73 es GM from jeff

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  >
  >
  > In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
  >
  >   > We often get requests for information, as we did from AD4WP, send them a
  >   > newsletter and brief outline of the features of our software, and hear
  >   > nothing back.
  >
  >   [ clip ]
  >
  >   >         73 -- Jeff, WA4EGT
  >   >         InterFlex Systems
  >   >         [phone]
  >
  >   Well, here's a request you can answer. When am I going to get a working
  >   copy? I paid for the program, received it and a bad serial number. You
  >   and Lynn have consistantly dodged the issue and so far have NEVER made
  >   any attempt to rectify the situation.
  >
  >   It's been several years and I'm STILL waiting.
  >
  >   Would you like more copies of the cancled check?
  >   How long is this gonna take.
  >
  > ;--
  > ;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
  > ;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
  > ;
  > ; Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM Internet: [e-mail]
  > ; US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749       Phone: [phone]
  >
;--
;    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
;    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin
;
; Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM Internet: [e-mail]
; US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749       Phone: [phone]


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Morrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Marconi 2304 modulation meter
Date: 8 Aug 1995 13:09:41 -0600
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If anyone is intersted in buying a Marconi 2304 modulation meter (AM/FM),
they should give this guy a call.

I guess I was thinking I wanted to buy one and the price was pretty steep
new.  This guy was selling them for $365.00 and I decided to buy one.

If you want one as well (he had 7 more) then give him a call.   He is very
reliable.

Brian Kent (Kentronix)
[phone]


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:52 1995
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From: Nathan Green <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Mod for Kenwood TM-732a
Date: 10 Aug 1995 06:00:48 GMT
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I want to mod a Kenwood TM-732a for 9600bps packet
modeming.  Can someone send me e-mail if any one knows
how or has location to find mods.

Thanks in advance

--
Nathan Green - KE6EVL
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:53 1995
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From: Nathan Green <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Mod for Kenwood TM-732a
Date: 10 Aug 1995 06:01:09 GMT
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I want to mod a Kenwood TM-732a for 9600bps packet
modeming.  Can someone send me e-mail if any one knows
how or has location to find mods.

Thanks in advance

--
Nathan Green - KE6EVL
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (A.C. Spraggins)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Old Packeteer Seeks Callsign Original Owner
Date: 10 Aug 1995 00:38:52 GMT
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 I was first licensed in 1954 with WN5EZM, and later rose to W5EZM who
eventually became an Extra class licensee.  I'm sure that someone else
had my callsign back in the thirties or forties.  Does anyone have an
old callbook that can tell me who that might have been and where he/she
lived?

     Many thanks for the help and 73 de A.C., [e-mail]
also, [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Bowman)
Subject: Packet and Internet
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Hello,

Is there anyone out there who could communicate with me about setting up
NOS software. I have a pk232.

I would also like to learn about ways of sending email over the internet
using packet radio. I am already familiar with [e-mail] run by
wb7tpy.


thanks

Peter ve7yap



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:55 1995
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From: gkroeker@undefined
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Subject: packetinfo
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[e-mail]
Greg Kroeker <VE4YT>
Can anyone tell me where I can get information on how to access the Internet using
packet radio on VHF and/or HF bands? I am asking on behalf of ZP1KF in Filadelfia,
Paraguay, who would like access to the net, but cannot use the expensive and unre-
liable local telephone network. Any help is much appreciated.


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Eduardo Sweet Biro)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: PK-96 Experiences ??
Date: 8 Aug 95 01:08:23 GMT
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Hi!
   Im looking forward in buying an AEA PK-96 TNC, and want to know if
it's a good (trouble-free) TNC. Also, more/less the pricing for it in the
USA.

If you have any comments or info, please send me an e-mail.

Thanks in advance, Ed.
--------------------------------
Eduardo Sweet Biro
E-mail:  [e-mail]
Packet:  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary P. Fiber)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: PK-96 Experiences ??
Date: 10 Aug 1995 02:42:05 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Eduardo Sweet Biro) says:
>
>Hi!
>   Im looking forward in buying an AEA PK-96 TNC, and want to know if
>it's a good (trouble-free) TNC. Also, more/less the pricing for it in the
>USA.
>
>If you have any comments or info, please send me an e-mail.
>
>Thanks in advance, Ed.
>--------------------------------
>Eduardo Sweet Biro
>E-mail:  [e-mail]
>Packet:  [e-mail]
>
Eduardo,

My PK-96 has been on the air 24 hours a day for about 1 year now.  So far no problems
it lives in Kiss mode and I operate nothing but TCP / IP packet.  I have the battery
installed so even if the power goes out, the computer boots NOS and the PK-96 stays
in KISS mode so the packet station just returns to the air automatically.  I never
shut it off, when at work or o\away from home on vacation.

73' gary


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Phil Street)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Please point me to TPK1.82
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 95 00:37:26 +0800
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[e-mail] (Brian Mork) writes:

> Where is a ftp server that has the newest version of TPK?
> I understand v1.82 was on the street about a year ago.

I got v1.82 of TPK from:

nic.funet.fi

I'm sorry, but I can't remember the directory, but I think there was one
called `terminals' in the `ham' directory tree branch. I grabbed it last
October just as it came out.

Hope this helps.



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jgrahamjr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Radio Control Servos
Date: 9 Aug 1995 22:15:41 -0400
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This may not be the proper forum, But I am trying to get any information
on the theory of operation fo R/C Servos.  All I know is that some sort of
Pulse Width Modulation is used.  Does anyone have a file or info
describing the details.  Thanks

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:58 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re:Remote ID Devices
Date: 9 Aug 95 21:35:44 GMT
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Someone asked about using remote ID devices which could be interrogated by RF.
I believe that Texas Instruments makes such devices.  I have seen them in EE
Times,Microwaves and RF, and Wireless Design, but I don't have any recent
advertisements.  Try calling TI in Dallas.

Ray Mack
WD5IFS
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:26:59 1995
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From: Leon Heller <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,uk.radio.amateur,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Rotary encoders
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 95 18:32:37 GMT
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In article <4051b3$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Andrew Thomason" writes:

> Do rotary encoders "go off" after a year or so? Can they be repaired? Do they
>  lose
> their magnetism or is it just dust which gets inside?
>
> I have a couple of digital radios which can be tuned by a knob, one cheap, one
> expensive. In both cases, after a year's use, the frequency started to dither
> around slightly whilst I smoothly turned the knob. I had thought this was due
> to a brain-damaged chip but now think it must be the rotary encoder.

According to my Cirkit catalogue, the Alps low-cost mechanical encoder
has a service life of 10^6 cycles. They cost #8.95 in the UK if that is
what is used in your radios.

Leon
--
Leon Heller, G1HSM                | "Do not adjust your mind, there is
E-mail [e-mail]  |  a fault in reality": on a wall
Phone: [phone]         |  many years ago in Oxford.


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:27:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Karlquist)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Leon Heller  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <4051b3$[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] "Andrew Thomason" writes:
>
>> Do rotary encoders "go off" after a year or so? Can they be repaired? Do they
>>  lose
>> their magnetism or is it just dust which gets inside?
>>
>> I have a couple of digital radios which can be tuned by a knob, one cheap, one
>> expensive. In both cases, after a year's use, the frequency started to dither
>> around slightly whilst I smoothly turned the knob. I had thought this was due
>> to a brain-damaged chip but now think it must be the rotary encoder.

Yes, rotary encoders are infamous for their poor reliability.  I don't
know what makes them fail, I just know I have seen them go out time and
time again.

Rick Karlquist
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:27:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas de Lellis)
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Subject: Re: Rotary encoders
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Andrew Thomason ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Do rotary encoders "go off" after a year or so? Can they be repaired? Do they lose
: their magnetism or is it just dust which gets inside?

: I have a couple of digital radios which can be tuned by a knob, one cheap, one
: expensive. In both cases, after a year's use, the frequency started to dither
: around slightly whilst I smoothly turned the knob. I had thought this was due
: to a brain-damaged chip but now think it must be the rotary encoder.

: Many thanks,
: Andrew Thomason ([e-mail])

Hi there,

yes, same thing happened with my Kenwood R-5000 which used an optical rotary
encoder. After talking with a local Kenwood dealer here in Munich, that
was disinterested in taking the radio for service, I decided to have a go
at it myself and tracked the problem down to a bad photodetector in the
encoder itself. I was able to replace the detector with a detector removed
from an emitter/detector module of the write protect section of a junked
TEAC floppydrive. I was lucky it also fit mechancally in the R-5000 encoder.
My R-5000's tuning knob has worked perfectly ever since.

tom

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From: [e-mail] (Peter Onion)
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Thomas de Lellis ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Andrew Thomason ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : Do rotary encoders "go off" after a year or so? Can they be repaired? Do they lose
: : their magnetism or is it just dust which gets inside?

: : I have a couple of digital radios which can be tuned by a knob, one cheap, one
: : expensive. In both cases, after a year's use, the frequency started to dither
: : around slightly whilst I smoothly turned the knob. I had thought this was due
: : to a brain-damaged chip but now think it must be the rotary encoder.

: : Many thanks,
: : Andrew Thomason ([e-mail])

Hi,

I have a FT290 MkI that will only qsy HF, no matter which way you turn the knob!

So I think I too have a faulty encoder!  Anybody else had this problem?

Peter Onion. G0DZB
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[e-mail] (Richard Karlquist) writes in a followup:


>Yes, rotary encoders are infamous for their poor reliability.  I don't
>know what makes them fail, I just know I have seen them go out time and
>time again.

I'm assuming :) you are talking about light coupled encoders.  I would
have to say that I disagree with the statement that they are not
reliable.  Some of the most expensive equipment in the world uses
them and they work without fail as long as they are kept clean and
properly aligned.  If designed properly, they won't need alignment,
but dust gets on the encoder wheel and the source/target leds and
causes problems.  Carefully cleaning an encoder wheel will keep it
working for many many years.  Case in point, check out the FT-2400.
It is notorious for encoder wheel problems.  The one they replace it
with, I've been told, is better sealed so that dust can't get to it as
easily.

Gary - AG0N


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Subject: Rotary encoders
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>
> Do rotary encoders "go off" after a year or so? Can they be repaired? Do they
> lose
> their magnetism or is it just dust which gets inside?
>
> I have a couple of digital radios which can be tuned by a knob, one cheap, on
> expensive. In both cases, after a year's use, the frequency started to dither
> around slightly whilst I smoothly turned the knob. I had thought this was due
> to a brain-damaged chip but now think it must be the rotary encoder.
>
> Many thanks,
> Andrew Thomason ([e-mail])
>

Rotary encoders come in several different forms...for example;
there are mechanical type that use switch contacts and there are optical
type that use a pair of diodes (RX & TX) and a slotted wheel that
makes/breaks the beam of light from the TX diode to the RX diode.
(Never worked with the magnetic type, not to say they don't exist.)

The mechanical versions are much cheaper than the optical type. These are
subject to oxidization of the contacts and could create bouncing which is
probably what you are experiencing. Short of opening up the encoder
itself and giving it a good cleaning, It might be best to replace it.
Some of them are sealed units where attempting to open them up
results in bastardizing the thing to the state of irrepair.

Regards...Hugh Duff  VA3TO  Toronto



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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:27:04 1995
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In article <40aju5$[e-mail]>,
Gary McDuffie Sr <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Richard Karlquist) writes in a followup:
>
>
>>Yes, rotary encoders are infamous for their poor reliability.  I don't
>>know what makes them fail, I just know I have seen them go out time and
>>time again.
>
>I'm assuming :) you are talking about light coupled encoders.  I would
>have to say that I disagree with the statement that they are not
>reliable.  Some of the most expensive equipment in the world uses
>them and they work without fail as long as they are kept clean and
>properly aligned.  If designed properly, they won't need alignment,

Speaking of expensive equipment, the $58,000 HP 8663A is a case in
point.  The rotary encoder in that instrument has a relatively high
failure rate.  I don't know if the failed ones can be rehabilitated
by cleaning out the dust.

Rick Karlquist


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:27:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Rotary encoders
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In article <4087ns$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Richard Karlquist) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Leon Heller  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <4051b3$[e-mail]>
>>           [e-mail] "Andrew Thomason" writes:
>>
>>> Do rotary encoders "go off" after a year or so? Can they be repaired? Do they
>>>  lose
>>> their magnetism or is it just dust which gets inside?
>>>
>>> I have a couple of digital radios which can be tuned by a knob, one cheap, one
>>> expensive. In both cases, after a year's use, the frequency started to dither
>>> around slightly whilst I smoothly turned the knob. I had thought this was due
>>> to a brain-damaged chip but now think it must be the rotary encoder.
>
>Yes, rotary encoders are infamous for their poor reliability.  I don't
>know what makes them fail, I just know I have seen them go out time and
>time again.

Actually, optical shaft encoders are noted for their extreme reliability
and long life. About the only things that can harm them is contamination
of the optical surfaces, an electrical surge that blows the LEDs or
phototransistors, or shaft bearing failure. Now unfortunately, some of
the shaft encoders used in amateur equipment are mechanical rather than
optical, and tarnished contacts, and ordinary contact wear, take a rapid
toll.

Gary

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:27:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Stockton)
Subject: Re: Rotary encoders
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Richard Karlquist ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Speaking of expensive equipment, the $58,000 HP 8663A is a case in
: point.  The rotary encoder in that instrument has a relatively high
: failure rate.  I don't know if the failed ones can be rehabilitated
: by cleaning out the dust.
: Rick Karlquist

    The original RPG in that generation and earlier actually used a
filament bulb as the light source, I think it was only in the mid 80's
that things switched over to LED based rotary pulse generators. I'd
moved into prod eng for a few years around that time and had to change
everything in production at Queensferry over to the new type.

    I had a different problem with one... I wore out the shaft and bush
in a prototype instrument doing testing (Spurious hunting)  I swear one
of my fingers is worn down, too. For the gross-overkill-global-
domination class transceiver I keep building bits of, I think I may have
to make my own RPG with proper ball races...

    The mechanical switch things are definitely bad news. Incidentally,
how many people know that genuine Microsoft mice use nasty contact type
pulse generators?  I keep wearing them out playing Doom.

    Cheers
              David  GM4ZNX


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:27:07 1995
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From: Brian Swartz <[e-mail]>
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Subject: sound card morse reader
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I have heard rumors of software which will read morse code with a PC type
sound card.

Any one herd of such a thing?

Please let me know, here, or via e-mail.



Thanks,

Brian
KC6CDS



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This is a test

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test

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 10 15:27:09 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Where: Wireless Tagged Equipment
Date: 8 Aug 1995 00:44:36 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Graham Graieg) writes:
>
>Is there an orginisation that can provide or a device developed by
>someone that allows a small electronic device to be attached to portable
>equipment.
>
>The device could be interogated by a hand held or fairly small unit and
>thus be identified. The need is to take stock of fairly expensive
>equipment quickly. This equipment is moved from building to building and
>if such a device exists, then I have a customer in Australia who would be
>interested in about 250000 of them!
>
>If you can think of a better news group for this advise please let me
>know.
>
>Graham Graieg (Triad Computer Services)
>[e-mail]
>
Vets are using small microchips that can be inserted in horses, dogs etc and
give a digital readout with appropriate microwave interogation equipment.


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From: [e-mail] (Butch Magee)
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Subject: Re: Where: Wireless Tagged Equipment
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Graham Graieg) says:
>
>Have you considered bar coding?  That is the way we did it to solve our
problems.  A quick scan tells you all info you input about the equipment
at the time of barcoding and who is signed for it and which building and
room it is supposed to be in.

Butch


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:55:45 1995
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Subject: Asking for sat equipment.
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Hello friends, thank for reading my letter.
I am planning work with pack sats. I am looking for all reports and
comments about the equipment.
What antenna have I use ? And radio ?
What is the best TNC ? What equipment are hams using for work with
this Oscars birds ?
I have no idea, I dont know rotors, servo-control boards, special circular
polarized antennas and so on.
I hope hear comments and suggestions about  it.
Thanks everybody, all the best.
Peace, 73 !
DE
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:55:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
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Subject: DRSI DPK-2 Mod for use with Kantronics D4-10
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Title:  DRSI DPK-2 19.2 kbps Modification
Author: Steve Sampson, N5OWK
Date:   Public Domain (p) June 1994

   The Kantronics D4-10 radio comes equipped with both an Analog and a TTL
interface jacks on the back.  The Analog port is for speeds up to 9.6 kbps
and the TTL port is for 19.2 kbps.  This radio has a large bandwidth and is
designed to swing +/- 9.6 kHz deviation.  A TTL logic 1 gives +9.6 kHz and
a logic 0 gives -9.6 kHz deviation.  The task then is to provide a serial
data stream up to 19.2 kbps maximum to the TTL port.

  All TNC-2 clones can be converted to this speed.  In fact most are equipped
with a switch on the front of the PC board which is used to specify the data
rate.  These rates vary from 300 to 19200 bps and normally you never touch
this because the modem chip onboard only works at 1200 bps.  If you purchase
a 10 MHz CPU/SIO upgrade then normally these rates are doubled and you can
run up to 38400 bps, in which case you will need more radio to operate at
that bit rate.

  The DRSI DPK-2 was an all-CMOS version of the TNC-2 and was in the $120
price class.  DRSI has gone out of the Amateur Radio business.  J4 is where
an optional header is installed for external modems.  This modification
doesn't use a header, but does use two points on the header for soldering a
wire jumper.

        1.      Remove cover (4 Philips head screws).
        2.      Remove battery jumper (disable battery backup).
        3.      Remove PC board (4 Philips head screws, two hex screws).
                To remove the PC board you must remove the hex screws on
                the back holding in the DB-9 serial port connector.  Also
                you should use a screwdriver and slowly push each front
                panel LED out of the panel.  Once this is done, you can
                lift the front and pull out the power and DB-9 jacks from
                the rear.  Remove the metal DB-9 cover and set it aside.
        4.      Remove the PC board trace (using a sharp knife) between pins
                17 and 18, and 19 and 20.
        5.      Locate R-18 and C-8 on the board and remove the side going to
                J2 (the radio jack on the back).
        6.      Solder a wire jumper (wire wrap wire is good) from the removed
                R-18 side to J4 pin 17, and the C-8 removed side to J4 pin 19.
                Do not cross these wires in layout (to minimize cross-talk).
        7.      Put the metal shield on the DB-9 connector and put the PC
                board in the case and slowly push the LED back into position.
        8.      Replace the battery backup jumper (enable it).
        9.      Replace cover.


Theory of Operation

  Before modification the TNC would only operate 1200 bps AFSK (Audio
Frequency Shift Keying) to an FM radio.  This modification disables the SIO
data from reaching the internal modem and redirects the data out the rear radio
jack (J2).  It provides a switched bit rate to the rear radio jack using TTL
(Transistor-Transistor Logic).  The TNC will now only operate with radios that
are equipped with TTL data input.  The Kantronics D4-10 is a radio of this
type.  You can also modify any radio to convert TTL to the proper AFSK tones
and deviation.  For example to be compatible with most packet radio users, your
converter should translate TTL to either 1200 Hz or 2200 Hz at 3.0 kHz
deviation.  Probably a good start would be a BayCom modem installed right into
a radio wired to a DB-9 connector for the TNC.  But I digress, as the intent of
this modification is to use a TNC-2 for 19.2 kbps and the D4-10.  By the way,
the RF Carrier Detect pin must be used on the radio jack to the D4-10.

Functional Checkout

  When I first set up my 9600 modems I spent quite a bit of time working with
the deviation setting.  It seemed like it took a long time to even get the data
to flow across the house.  When I converted two TNC-2 modems and plugged them
into the D4-10's the result was instant gratification (my lifes goal) and I
only had to adjust the Transmit Delay on both TNC's to a point where they both
operated without retries.  This is truly a plug and go operation.  I've used
this link over a 2 mile path with success, but a 16 mile path failed.  The
reason being that my station doesn't have a good RF path (in a hole).  I'm not
too impressed with the TNC speed, and consider the 10 MHz mod a necessity.
The PacComm 10 MHz modification kit should interface without problems.

Good luck,

Steve Sampson
(BBS) [e-mail] or (Internet) [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:55:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (AG-Funkamateure-THD)
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Subject: Re: FlexNet for digipeaters
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[e-mail] wrote:
: You forget another important item : this software is only available
: in executable - no source code.

: This is , in my opinion, a very big disadvantage.

So what, in your opinion, would be the advantage of having the source?

-- Matthias

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From: [e-mail] (Olaf Erb)
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Subject: Re: FlexNet for digipeaters
Date: 12 Aug 1995 15:03:02 GMT
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In article <40hm3g$[e-mail]>,
AG-Funkamateure-THD <[e-mail]> wrote:
>So what, in your opinion, would be the advantage of having the source?

Hi Matthias :)
I just wanted to post the same question.

Look- I think everybody knows pe1chl-net. And everyone knows how stable
it is! Why? It's (was) only maintained by one person who kept track of
everything. If I look into some NOS derivates I can say from my own
experience that most aren't very stable.

In a network with some 100(!) nodes, exchanging vital routing information
like Flexnet-Nodes consitency is the most important thing! You can't
afford people playing with routingtables or internode-communication.
We already have problems with nodes running 'cloned' Flexnet-protocols,
messing up routing information etc..
(Too complicated to explain here, maybe Matthis want to say something about
this.. :)

There was a time when I also thought the binary-only stuff is a big
disadvantage, but with PC-Flexnet and the applications interface you can
write everything you want, only the 'lower' layers cannot be touched.
Very good, IMHO.

Another point- the author is very aware of bugreports, every bug found
is immediately corrected. (my experience for the last 3 years....)

73,
Olaf
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
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Subject: Re: FlexNet for digipeaters
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[e-mail] (AG-Funkamateure-THD) writes:
>So what, in your opinion, would be the advantage of having the source?

See how it works.

Fix how it works.

Improve how it works.

No program is perfect, and few programs cannot be improved.
        - Brian


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Subject: Re: FlexNet for digipeaters
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AG-Funkamateure-THD ([e-mail]) wrote:
> [e-mail] wrote:
> : You forget another important item : this software is only available
> : in executable - no source code.

> : This is , in my opinion, a very big disadvantage.

> So what, in your opinion, would be the advantage of having the source?

What about porting it to another hardware / software platform.

Experimenting with software and protocols is part of the amateur
packet radio network. We don't want or need a 100% reliable network.

We are amateurs, remember. We dont want to compete with the national PTT
organisations.

Joop



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From: [e-mail] (Eric Bertrem)
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Subject: Re: FlexNet for digipeaters
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 [e-mail] (Olaf Erb) wrote :

Hi Olaf,


> Look- I think everybody knows pe1chl-net. And everyone knows how stable
> it is! Why? It's (was) only maintained by one person who kept track of
> everything. If I look into some NOS derivates I can say from my own
> experience that most aren't very stable.

True ! Too many versions very often means to many different functions... and
sometimes too many bugs :)


> There was a time when I also thought the binary-only stuff is a big
> disadvantage, but with PC-Flexnet and the applications interface you can
> write everything you want, only the 'lower' layers cannot be touched.
> Very good, IMHO.

I've been distributing PC/FlexNet to French BETA-Testers since PC/FlexNet
first came out and find it very user friendly, evolutive, and its router
relegates the older system to a position of secondary importance.


> Another point- the author is very aware of bugreports, every bug found
> is immediately corrected. (my experience for the last 3 years....)

You're right !! Every bug reported by the French testers has always been
corrected in the next upgrade. DK7WJ is very efficient !

73s.

Eric BERTREM

'Email  : [e-mail]'
'Packet : F5PJE @ F6BIG.FRHA.FRA.EU        '



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:55:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (M.Z.)
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Subject: Frequency Hopping
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 21:14:04 +800
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Hello ?  Tap tap.... Hello ?

I'd really like to get in touch with any Australian (VK) amateur operators
who have experimented with, or are operating F/H on HF,VHF or UHF.

I've had success with Frequency Hopping on HF in commercial applications
overseas and would like to exchange ideas, protocols etc. with Australian
amateurs.

I realise this may be a bit much to ask of 98% of VK ops, but if you're
reading this, you have at least ventured beyond the realm of blah blah nets
and poking packet.

Please don't reply with 'tut tut, no no ' about Spread Spectrum FH between 3-
30 Mhz.

I know this.   Many don't.   If you don't tell, I won't tell.  They'll never
know, because they won't hear it.  We'll stay 'in band' and it won't be
encrypted, if there's ever an investigation.

Who knows, by the time the sunspot cycle starts to bring decent propagation,
we may have a simplex working link on (Shock, Horror) HF. ? Even sooner ?

Nothing fancy to begin with, just test the waters.


Note 1.   I haven't transmitted S/S F/H on HF in Australia.
Note 2.   I don't have the equipment hard wired to do this.  It's around the
          shack, just not connected up.
Note 3.   F/H won't go away.  It has been used for 20+ years by the military
          and commercial users.
Note 4.   We can get Temporary Approval from the SMA if you're capable but
          nervous/paranoid.
Note 5.   F/H is definitely not for ops who lift the lid off their rig
          and say:

          "My, things are kinda complex in there"

          then put all the screws back into place.

Note 6.   Ya gotta have a PC, a will to 'make stuff' and a sense of humour.

I'm willing to talk about it, if you are.   Let's talk.

signed:

IN HERE
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    neqrz pleas youar efive bynin enext pleas exxxx ++



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:55:52 1995
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Subject: FS: Yaesu FT411E & KPC-3
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Date: 14 Aug 95 03:33:22 CDT
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Kantronics KPC-3 Packet Modem, manuals, cables... $200 obo

Yaesu FT411E 2m HT with CTCSS chip, battery,
charger and case... $200 obo

send email if you're interested.

Tyler Macmillan
HTTP://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~macmilla




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:55:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Cira)
Subject: HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE BBS
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:55:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Bramwell)
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Subject: have linux 1.3.9, ax25 driver, need apps!?
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:20:29 GMT
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I downloaded and compiled linux 1.3.9.
The ax25 and nr driver is showing up in /proc/net

Question:  Now what?

Is there a doc file around somewhere?

How about some pseudo tnc program under linux that allows users to connect out
to the local packet bbs.  I have a kiss tnc hanging off com1.

I am guessing that I need to ifconfig then run some sort of linux app.

any URLs with ax25 docs?

thanks in advance,

de ve3pzr.

ps: the conversd is running ok.  We are node London.


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:55:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Bramwell)
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Subject: Re: have linux 1.3.9, ax25 driver, need apps!?
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>I downloaded and compiled linux 1.3.9.
>The ax25 and nr driver is showing up in /proc/net

>Question:  Now what?

>Is there a doc file around somewhere?

>How about some pseudo tnc program under linux that allows users to connect out
>to the local packet bbs.  I have a kiss tnc hanging off com1.


I am answering my own posting.  I downloaded the latest HAM-HOWTO, and it
explained where the latest things were located.  I can now ax25 connect to our
local pbbs.

Now onto wormholes....

anyone interested in making one?


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:55:55 1995
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Subject: help psk modem
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dear sir,
I am planning to setting up KISS on HF transceiver to join internet via
amateur packet radio. please tell me any suggestions about psk modems (its
price, features, and best buy) and about setting up kiss for HF trans.
many thanks for help
YC4JIM, sumatra island.



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I am planning to setting up KISS on HF transceiver to join internet via
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many thanks for help
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:55:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (C. T. Nadovich)
Subject: Re: Help with digital filter design at RF.
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[e-mail] (Arthur J Binning) writes:

>variable Digital Filter to follow the mixer stage in the above
>receiver project.  My initial idea is that the incoming frequency will
>be mixed down to say 50 kcs, passed through an A to D, followed by the
>digital filter, which will have its bandwidth controlled from an
>external PC, then through a D to A and into the product detector and
>audio stages.   I can find little published data on such designs and
>wonder if anybody can help?

There are a couple companies doing this kind of receiver, and I'm sure
they consider the work highly proprietary. Ten years ago, I personally did
a receiver as you describe with 4 TMS32010's. Quite a project that was.
I'm sure I'm still bound by a NDA, but I probably can say that it was a
triple conversion design with a final IF of 12.5 Kc and a sampling rate of
50 Kc. With 4 of today's DSP chips you can easily multiply those numbers
by 4 (or only use one CPU). I think you would find a 50 Kc IF a bit too
much to handle with just one CPU, unless all you did was a filter....

My point being: Why use of an analog product detector? Use a digital
product detector. Once you're inside the DSP chip, do the final IF
conversion (a sampling rate 4x the IF makes this easy) and then FIR filter
the result. While you're at it, might as well put in the AGC algorithm,
pasband tuning, adaptive notch, modem, etc....


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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:55:57 1995
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Subject: Re: How will Win95 help us?
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman) wrote:

[numerous lines of Windows vs. Linux debate snipped]

>I run X Window on my Windows NT box, and you can not tell it is not a
>UNIX box.  I happen to like Explorer considerably more that X11 or
>OpenWindows in any case.

Um, I understand from a trusted friend who is a consultant in
networking and computers that Windows NT at the kernel level *IS* an
old version of Unix.  Not that Microsoft wants the end-users to know
that, but the programmers sure do.

Of course, this is the same guys who says that computers are just a
passing fad with a twinkle in his eye in meetings.

Nate Duehr
[e-mail] (home)
[e-mail] (work)




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:55:57 1995
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[e-mail] (Nathan Duehr) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman) wrote:

>[numerous lines of Windows vs. Linux debate snipped]

>>I run X Window on my Windows NT box, and you can not tell it is not a
>>UNIX box.  I happen to like Explorer considerably more that X11 or
>>OpenWindows in any case.

>Um, I understand from a trusted friend who is a consultant in
>networking and computers that Windows NT at the kernel level *IS* an
>old version of Unix.  Not that Microsoft wants the end-users to know
>that, but the programmers sure do.

Please!  Don't repeat stuff like this--it's silly.

>Of course, this is the same guys who says that computers are just a
>passing fad with a twinkle in his eye in meetings.

>Nate Duehr
>[e-mail] (home)
>[e-mail] (work)






From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:55:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: How will Win95 help us?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman) writes:
>[e-mail] (Nathan Duehr) wrote:
>
>>Um, I understand from a trusted friend who is a consultant in
>>networking and computers that Windows NT at the kernel level *IS* an
>>old version of Unix.  Not that Microsoft wants the end-users to know
>>that, but the programmers sure do.
>
>Please!  Don't repeat stuff like this--it's silly.

From what I gather, NT is migrating to a Mach-like microkernel
architecture, as are most *nix implementations, so as to
gain greater platform independence. That won't necessarily
make NT better, of course. It could just add more bloat.
Microsoft OS products are plagued by a backward compatibility
requirement at the shrink wrap executable level that shows
no signs of going away. That has required piling kludge on
top of kludge in an often unstable way. *nix has mostly
avoided that problem by requiring only source code portability.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:55:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Aitken)
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Subject: Info on 5.6 GHz german data radios?
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Hello,

In one of the Digital digests [e-mail] (Eric
Bertrem) wrote
to some one in regards to 5.6 GHz data radios from germany?

I wonder if I could have some info on these as well?

(ozemail returned unknown host to eric's address ?????)

73

Mark



          Mark Aitken Amateur Radio Operator VK3JMA
          AX25net : vk3jma @ vk3ksd.#mel.vic.aus.oc
          Fidonet : Mark Aitken @ 3:635/502
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Olaf Erb)
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Subject: Re: Info on 5.6 GHz german data radios?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Mark Aitken <[e-mail]> wrote:
>to some one in regards to 5.6 GHz data radios from germany?
>
>I wonder if I could have some info on these as well?
>
>(ozemail returned unknown host to eric's address ?????)

The same here..

The radios are from Ewald Goebel, dk2db. Eisch Elektronic in Ulm sell kits.
It was described in the '7. Frankfurter Packet-Radio-Treffen, 6.7. April
1991'- script.

It's a 6cm converter to 140mhz for RX, you've to use an Oberon RX or
something similar. I don't know if the kits now include it.

For TX you've a 480mhz oscillator (included) x12 to 6cm.

If something changed, please correct me someone.

73,
Olaf
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:01 1995
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From: John Weaver <[e-mail]>
Subject: LAWN wireless network
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I just aquired a wireless device called LAWN. It stands for Local Area Wireless Network. Does
anyone have info on what I could use this for. I just have the one, so it makes it pointless to
use for my LAN. Also, I have an ethernet LAN at home, so I don't really need this gizmo for in
house use. I would like to use is for packet radio purposes??? I'm not sure it would even be
useful for that if one were to take a look at the specs. Something peculiar:  It is picking up
traffic on its band (in addition to its own becon), so it could be useful. Anything you could
provide about this thing would be neat. It is fairly brand new and it has the software. I use
Linux and was wondering if there is something for it; like TNC style stuff, or just address it
as /dev/cuaX w/slattatch. Just a packet sniffer would be neat.

Here are the specs

*  LAWN wireless network by O'neil Communications
*  serial interface w/cables for 9pin and 25pin
*  frequencies:  902-928 MHZ
*  four(4) channels
*  max speed:  38400 per channel
*  transmit power:  20 miliwatts
*  spread-spectrum, multi-point
*  range:  100ft indoors  500ft open
*  no FCC licence required
*  weighs a pound and is the 7x4x2"
*  comes with proprietary networking software
*  7k mail box

If anyone wants this, make me an offer I can't refuse. I got it cheap and you could too.


-john weaver  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:01 1995
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From: Marshall Craw <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: NEW HAM RADIO REMOTE CONTROL PRODUCT OFFERED
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 15:51:33 -0700
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 I am pleased to announce a new product offered by Positive Time Systems
 called the RCS-I.  This is a radio controller that connects to any VHF/UHF
 transceiver and can issue x-10 commands. (X-10 is a power line standard
 for controlling devices throughout a building. Sears, Radio Shack, and
 others offer these compatible units)
  The unit also has an alarm input, a listen feature, a short voicmail box,
 and responds to all commands in a pleasant female voice. The system IDs
 with your recorded voice and call sign.  This description doesn't do the
 product justice, so please check out the new homepage at :

                 http://www.halcyon.com/pos.time.sys/top

 or you may email us with you address so that we can promptly send you
 our brochure and newsletter.

 NOTE: This product is intended for US voltages of 120 / 220 VAC.  Another
 version is offered to support other international power standards.

 FLASH! NEW FEATURE!  The RCS-I has a new feature called Secure Access
 Mode(SAM).  When enabled, the access code changes dozens of times per
 hour, making it virtually impossible to hack into.

 Thank You,

 Marshall Craw  <[e-mail]>
 Positive Time Systems
 North Bend, WA




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Pika)
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Cwave is a utility for Windows.  If you have a shortwave radio and a
Windows compatible sound card, Cwave will convert Morse Code into
readable text, in real-time. No TNC or de-modulator is required.

Precise sampling and filtering of the incoming signal is  provided, and
the converted text is presented in a convenient text editor.

Cwave is shareware, and is available for file transfer at:
ftp.eskimo.com/u/p/pika/cwave

Thank you.

-Pika Software



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:03 1995
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From: N5UHB <[e-mail]>
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Subject: NOS for Windows?
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:12:28 -0600
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I guess I'm falling behind here, since I just heard that there are now
versions of NOS for windows.  I would like to get some information about
this new version of NOS, i.e., what's new about it, what are the
advantages over the old 'dos' nos, etc.

Also, I am running JNOS v 1.10i right now, and the thing I don't like
about it is that every so often it spews out a listing of NODES over the
air.  I'd like to know how to control this (i.e., what parameter
determines how often this list is transmitted).

 Thanks in advance for the info and 73 de Luis XE2MXU/N5UHB




___

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                              the rules!"



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Old Packeteer Seeks Callsign Original Owner
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[e-mail] (A.C. Spraggins) writes:

> I was first licensed in 1954 with WN5EZM, and later rose to W5EZM who
>eventually became an Extra class licensee.  I'm sure that someone else
>had my callsign back in the thirties or forties.  Does anyone have an
>old callbook that can tell me who that might have been and where he/she
>lived?

>     Many thanks for the help and 73 de A.C., [e-mail]
>also, [e-mail]

If you are an ARRL member, just send them a letter.  They have callbooks
all the way back to the begining of the callbooks.


--



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:04 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Packet on 10m
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I am contemplating putting a 10m port on my JNOS BBS.  Here in Canada we
are allowed a bandwidth of 20 KHz on that band, so it would be possible
to run 1200 Baud.  I would likely place the port on 28.075 or something
in that neighbourhood.   Is anyone aware of a problem with using 1200
Baud in other countries?  Is that frequency used anywhere else?

73 de VE7MDL              ....Erik.


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (SallieE)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: packet software for macintosh
Date: 13 Aug 1995 07:07:18 -0400
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Looking for any packet software (commerical or shareware) that that can be
used on a macintosh computer.  Would appreciate any information on type of
software that can also download files from another packet station.  Thanks
for any infor.   Sallie


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tony Drumm)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Perseids packet test
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Our club station, WD0GNK, is on the air running unattended
here in EN34.  Friday night, I had two packets received
from EN90 (WB5NLJ and W8RQQ).  Last night, two more stations
heard (several packets each) - K1HTV and W3ADO.  The latter
is the US Naval Academy so I assume that was the big dish?

Tony Drumm - AA0SM



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Karl Leite)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Printer Star NX-1000
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------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Friend,

     Thank you very much for reading this message!

     I  own  an  old  printer  STAR,  model  NX-1000  and  I
would  like  to  get instruction manual because I lost mine.
Can you help me? I hope so!

     I will pay for  xerox  copies  and shipping charges via
air mail to Brazil.

     THank you very much in advance for your valuable  help.
I hope hear from you soon.

     Vy best wishes and 73,

                                         Karl M Leite, PS7KM
                                            Caixa Postal 385
                                59001-970 NATAL, RN - Brasil
                              Packet: PS7KM@PY1AA.#RJ.BRA.SA
                                      PS7KM@PT7FX.#CE.BRA.SA
                        InterNet: [e-mail]
============================================================




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Karl Leite)
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Subject: Schematic for TM-2550A
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------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Friend,

     Thank you very much for reading this message!

     I own  an old  equipment  KENWOOD TM 2550A, 2M/FM and I
would like to repair it but, I have not schematic and servi-
ce manual. Can you help me? I hope so!

     I will pay for  xerox  copies  and shipping charges via
air mail to Brazil.

     THank you very much in advance for your valuable  help.
I hope hear from you soon.

     Vy best wishes and 73,

                                         Karl M Leite, PS7KM
                                            Caixa Postal 385
                                59001-970 NATAL, RN - Brasil
                              Packet: PS7KM@PY1AA.#RJ.BRA.SA
                                      PS7KM@PT7FX.#CE.BRA.SA
                        InterNet: [e-mail]
============================================================






From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Cliff.Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: want fbb forwarding parteners
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Hello,

Thank you for reading this message.

I am looking for FBB forwarding parterners, via the Internet e-mail,
in VK, ZL, G, USA, and JA.

I am interested in forwarding WW Bulitins (English only) and Personal
mail.

73's
Cliff
[e-mail] (ax25)
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Keizer, Information Systems, Winnipeg)
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Subject: WANTED: Info on  Yaesu FT-404R handheld
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I am looking for information for a friend for a Yaesu FT-404R UHF handheld.
This model is a rock-bound version.  Anyone have any information/manuals or
schematics that they could send me, or information on applicability for
FSK mods would be appreciated.

Dan.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Keizer                                  Federated Insurance Co. of Canada
[e-mail]                       Winnipeg, Manitoba [phone]
"Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement".


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Gordon)
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Subject: WANTED: Software for AEA CP-100 (ibmpc)
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I have an AEA CP-100, computer patch box that does
cw, rtty, amtor and ascii. Is there any ibmpc software
that will work with this??? If so, let me know via email.
Thanks...

David - KB4LCI
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Peter A. Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: WANTED: Software for AEA CP-100 (ibmpc)
Date: 14 Aug 1995 09:16:12 -0700
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In article <40npuf$[e-mail]>,
David Gordon <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I have an AEA CP-100, computer patch box that does
>cw, rtty, amtor and ascii. Is there any ibmpc software
>that will work with this??? If so, let me know via email.

I use a CP-1, which is a simpler version of what you have.  I've been
using BMKMulty, a program by a British ham.  It does CW, RTTY, AMTOR and
Pactor.  It costs about $100 for the basic version.  It works beautifully
and is well worth the cost, I think, especially when compared with the
cost of a multimode TNC.  The CP-1 and CP-100 are better performers on HF
than the do-everything boxes, and the BMKMulty software does a digital
version of "memory ARQ" (building a correct packet from partially damaged
blocks) both on Pactor (standard) and AMTOR (optional "DX" mode).

BMKMulty is available in the US from

        Schnedler Systems (AC4IW)
        25 Eastwood Rd.
        P.O. Box 5964
        Asheville, NC 28813
        [phone]

I am not affiliated with Schnedler Systems in any way, just a very happy
customer.


73 - Peter, KD7MW
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gregory R. LaBorde)
Subject: WB7TPY Gateway?
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Can someone tell me what the status of David Dodell's gateway is? I have
tried to send a few messages through it lately with no response.

Thanks,
Greg

--
Opinions expressed are my own and are not intended to be an official
statement by the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

Gregory R. LaBorde                    Phone: [phone]
Member Technical Staff - Galileo OET  [e-mail]
Jet Propulsion Laboratory             Packet:kd6msm@w6vio.#soca.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Dodell)
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Subject: Re: WB7TPY Gateway?
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[e-mail] (Gregory R. LaBorde) writes:

> Can someone tell me what the status of David Dodell's gateway is? I have
> tried to send a few messages through it lately with no response.

It is alive and working .... I was on 2.5 weeks of vacation in Europe,
and just returned yesterday.

David WB7TPY

---
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Internet: [e-mail]                 FAX: [phone]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lewis Stephens KC5PSX)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: What is Packet? Where is the FAQ?
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 07:35:37 -0600
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As the header asks, what is Packet and how do I use it? Can it be done
with an HT?
Where is the FAQ that I am sure answers these question.
What about Mac Software?

Thanks

Lewis

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel `HB9VBC' Pfund)
Subject: Re: Windows 95, NAHd! OS/2 YEAH!
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 15:31:44 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Colin McGregor) writes:
> S. D. ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : OS/2 On the other hand. Rules! It is the best operating system I have
> : had. Alls you have to do is get over the initial installation. E-mail
> : me if you have problems don't give up! And it is pretty much
> : bullet-proof when you get over the new OS-shell language.
>
> : remember WINDOWS 95 sucks! Say it with me now. OS/2 Rules. Besides Do
> : you really want to jump on the bandwagon to a crappy operating system?
>
> Yea, and Linux (or NetBSD) will eat both of them for breakfast.
>
> UNIX RULES!!!

And so will AmigaOS... let's forget this stupid thread and get
back to what the top of your screen says!!!!!!

Daniel
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__///  University of Geneva, Economics   AX25: [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (S. D. )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Windows 95, NAHH! OS/2 YEAH!
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I would just like to say that Windows 95 is the same crap repackaged
and refurbished as Windows nt, 3.11, etc etc. It still freezes and
locks up when doing simple multi-tasking.

OS/2 On the other hand. Rules! It is the best operating system I have
had. Alls you have to do is get over the initial installation. E-mail
me if you have problems don't give up! And it is pretty much
bullet-proof when you get over the new OS-shell language.

remember WINDOWS 95 sucks! Say it with me now. OS/2 Rules. Besides Do
you really want to jump on the bandwagon to a crappy operating system?


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman)
Subject: Re: Windows 95, NAHH! OS/2 YEAH!
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[e-mail] (S. D. ) wrote:

>I would just like to say that Windows 95 is the same crap repackaged
>and refurbished as Windows nt, 3.11, etc etc. It still freezes and
>locks up when doing simple multi-tasking.

I don't know why you like to say it, but it is not true.  In fact, I
would venture a guess that you have not even used the product, since
what you say is no much at odds with reality.

>OS/2 On the other hand. Rules! It is the best operating system I have
>had. Alls you have to do is get over the initial installation. E-mail
>me if you have problems don't give up! And it is pretty much
>bullet-proof when you get over the new OS-shell language.

It is such a great product that people shouldn't "give up" on the
INSTALLATION?  Wow, it must be REALLY great if you have to work that
hard just to get it installed, and from your article it looks like
using it REALLY builds up the old brain muscle there, eh?

I also like the bullet proof part that you can have if you "get over"
the new OS-shell language.  I guess you can count me out, with Windows
95 I don't have to "get over" anything, it all works.

>remember WINDOWS 95 sucks! Say it with me now. OS/2 Rules. Besides Do
>you really want to jump on the bandwagon to a crappy operating system?

No, which is why I stay away from rinky dink OSs with infinitesimal
market share like, of, I don't know, say, OS/2.




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rick Munn)
Subject: Re: Windows 95, NAHH! OS/2 YEAH!
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman) writes:

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>No, which is why I stay away from rinky dink OSs with infinitesimal
>market share like, of, I don't know, say, OS/2.

Really now Jeffrey, comments such as this will afford you little
credibility as an editor in a popular column in a popular magazine.

Now, it is quite easy to see you are strongly biased towards the Windows
platform, and that is fine. Others may be equally biased towards other
platforms, and that is fine too, but this is not the forum for that
discussion.

I have Windows, OS/2, and Linux, on the same machine. Each OS has its own
strong points and weaknesses. I choose which one to boot depending on the
job I need to do. All three can live happily together in my shack.

Let's put an end to this OS bashing now. If you are compelled to continue
on in this line, please take it to an appropriate forum i.e.,
comp.os.*.advocacy.
--
,--------------------------  \-\-\-\  ---------------------------,
| Rick Munn                     |                                |
| Amateur Radio N5XCR           |    "My name is raincheck,      |
| Stillwater, OK  USA           |     need a shot of rhythm      |
| INTERNET: [e-mail] |     and blues."  -van morrison |
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:15 1995
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From: WA4DSY-1@
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Subject: Re: Windows 95, NAHH! OS/2 YEAH!
Date: 14 Aug 1995 01:57:01 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman) writes:
>[e-mail] (S. D. ) wrote:
>
>>I would just like to say that Windows 95 is the same crap repackaged
>>and refurbished as Windows nt, 3.11, etc etc. It still freezes and
>>locks up when doing simple multi-tasking.
>
>I don't know why you like to say it, but it is not true.  In fact, I
>would venture a guess that you have not even used the product, since
>what you say is no much at odds with reality.
>
How much experience have you had with OS/2 ?


>>OS/2 On the other hand. Rules! It is the best operating system I have
>>had. Alls you have to do is get over the initial installation. E-mail
>>me if you have problems don't give up! And it is pretty much
>>bullet-proof when you get over the new OS-shell language.
>
>It is such a great product that people shouldn't "give up" on the
>INSTALLATION?  Wow, it must be REALLY great if you have to work that
>hard just to get it installed, and from your article it looks like
>using it REALLY builds up the old brain muscle there, eh?
>

So nobody has installation problems with Windoze 95 eh?
Maybe thats because it hasn't been released yet.  What about
the 200 windows apps that have problems under '95?


>I also like the bullet proof part that you can have if you "get over"
>the new OS-shell language.  I guess you can count me out, with Windows
>95 I don't have to "get over" anything, it all works.

Funny, Microsoft copied many of the Workplace shell features of OS/2.
Now Windoze 95 works a lot like Warp.  I guess OS/2 must be as easy
to learn as windoze.

>
>>remember WINDOWS 95 sucks! Say it with me now. OS/2 Rules. Besides Do
>>you really want to jump on the bandwagon to a crappy operating system?
>
>No, which is why I stay away from rinky dink OSs with infinitesimal
>market share like, of, I don't know, say, OS/2.
>

Rinky dink indeed!

Try running DEBUG from win95 and use the f command to
fill the bottom 64k of ram with FFs.  win95 will crash.
Do the same thing with OS/2 in a DOS session....DOS session dies
but OS/2 stays up along with all other DOS and windows sessions!

Your VFAT file system will waste 10% more disk space than
OS/2 HPFS.  Thats 100 megs lost on a 1 gig drive!  No wonder
windoze users need Stacker.  HPFS resists fragmentation.  Windoze
users need to purchase defraggers for vfat drives.  All in all windoze
is a gold mine for software utility writers.





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From: [e-mail] (Colin McGregor)
Subject: Re: Windows 95, NAHH! OS/2 YEAH!
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S. D. ([e-mail]) wrote:
: OS/2 On the other hand. Rules! It is the best operating system I have
: had. Alls you have to do is get over the initial installation. E-mail
: me if you have problems don't give up! And it is pretty much
: bullet-proof when you get over the new OS-shell language.

: remember WINDOWS 95 sucks! Say it with me now. OS/2 Rules. Besides Do
: you really want to jump on the bandwagon to a crappy operating system?

Yea, and Linux (or NetBSD) will eat both of them for breakfast.

UNIX RULES!!!

Colin VE3ZAA


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman)
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[e-mail] (Rick Munn) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman) writes:

> many lines deleted


>>No, which is why I stay away from rinky dink OSs with infinitesimal
>>market share like, of, I don't know, say, OS/2.

>Really now Jeffrey, comments such as this will afford you little
>credibility as an editor in a popular column in a popular magazine.

>Now, it is quite easy to see you are strongly biased towards the Windows
>platform, and that is fine. Others may be equally biased towards other
>platforms, and that is fine too, but this is not the forum for that
>discussion.

>I have Windows, OS/2, and Linux, on the same machine. Each OS has its own
>strong points and weaknesses. I choose which one to boot depending on the
>job I need to do. All three can live happily together in my shack.

>Let's put an end to this OS bashing now. If you are compelled to continue
>on in this line, please take it to an appropriate forum i.e.,
>comp.os.*.advocacy.
>--

Actually, Rick, you are essentially correct.  My response was
tit-for-tat, I am tired of mindless OS/2 advocacy.  Whatever the
merits of OS/2 (they DO exist), it is NOT a replacement for Windows
95.  Please don't think that I reject OS/2 unequivocally, I do not.

>,--------------------------  \-\-\-\  ---------------------------,
>| Rick Munn                     |                                |
>| Amateur Radio N5XCR           |    "My name is raincheck,      |
>| Stillwater, OK  USA           |     need a shot of rhythm      |
>| INTERNET: [e-mail] |     and blues."  -van morrison |
>`----------------------------------------------------------------'




From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman)
Subject: Re: Windows 95, NAHH! OS/2 YEAH!
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WA4DSY-1@ wrote:

>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman) writes:
>>[e-mail] (S. D. ) wrote:
>>
>>>I would just like to say that Windows 95 is the same crap repackaged
>>>and refurbished as Windows nt, 3.11, etc etc. It still freezes and
>>>locks up when doing simple multi-tasking.
>>
>>I don't know why you like to say it, but it is not true.  In fact, I
>>would venture a guess that you have not even used the product, since
>>what you say is no much at odds with reality.
>>
>How much experience have you had with OS/2 ?

Only a small experience.  I use OS/2 only when forced into it by
proprietary software that requires it.  So?  What did I say about OS/2
that is not true?


>>>OS/2 On the other hand. Rules! It is the best operating system I have
>>>had. Alls you have to do is get over the initial installation. E-mail
>>>me if you have problems don't give up! And it is pretty much
>>>bullet-proof when you get over the new OS-shell language.
>>
>>It is such a great product that people shouldn't "give up" on the
>>INSTALLATION?  Wow, it must be REALLY great if you have to work that
>>hard just to get it installed, and from your article it looks like
>>using it REALLY builds up the old brain muscle there, eh?
>>

>So nobody has installation problems with Windoze 95 eh?
>Maybe thats because it hasn't been released yet.  What about
>the 200 windows apps that have problems under '95?

I am sure that _thousands_ of people have had difficulty installing
Windows 95.  But since 400,000 copies of the preview edition have been
distributed, this is a small percentage.

What _about_ the 200 apps that have problems?  There are TENS of
THOUSANDS of Windows apps that run fine under Windows 95.  THere are
still more applications for Windows then there will ever be for OS/2.


>>I also like the bullet proof part that you can have if you "get over"
>>the new OS-shell language.  I guess you can count me out, with Windows
>>95 I don't have to "get over" anything, it all works.

>Funny, Microsoft copied many of the Workplace shell features of OS/2.
>Now Windoze 95 works a lot like Warp.  I guess OS/2 must be as easy
>to learn as windoze.
>
>>
>>>remember WINDOWS 95 sucks! Say it with me now. OS/2 Rules. Besides Do
>>>you really want to jump on the bandwagon to a crappy operating system?
>>
>>No, which is why I stay away from rinky dink OSs with infinitesimal
>>market share like, of, I don't know, say, OS/2.
>>

>Rinky dink indeed!
In terms of market share, it is.

>Try running DEBUG from win95 and use the f command to
>fill the bottom 64k of ram with FFs.  win95 will crash.
>Do the same thing with OS/2 in a DOS session....DOS session dies
>but OS/2 stays up along with all other DOS and windows sessions!

Thanks for warning me, I won't do that with debug under Windows 95.
Is that how you get your Word Processing done?

>Your VFAT file system will waste 10% more disk space than
>OS/2 HPFS.  Thats 100 megs lost on a 1 gig drive!  No wonder
>windoze users need Stacker.  HPFS resists fragmentation.  Windoze
>users need to purchase defraggers for vfat drives.  All in all windoze
>is a gold mine for software utility writers.

Gee, you mean that FAT is a bad file system?  What a shocker!  Hey
maybe we should use something like, oh, I don't know, NTFS.  I guess
that the defragger that I got with Windows 95 is an illusion and
doesn't really dfrag the drive.

Look, there ARE technical advantages to OS/2--I have never denied
that.  But that does not change the fact that Windows is the number
one operating system (also posessing a variety of technical
advantages) and will remain that way.  If I need bullet proof I run NT
(which is what you should be comparing OS/2 with--care to try?)







From [e-mail] Mon Aug 14 20:56:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff McLeman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 95, NAHH! OS/2 YEAH!
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 15:01:02 GMT
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[e-mail] (S. D. ) wrote:

>I would just like to say that Windows 95 is the same crap repackaged
>and refurbished as Windows nt, 3.11, etc etc. It still freezes and
>locks up when doing simple multi-tasking.

>OS/2 On the other hand. Rules! It is the best operating system I have
>had. Alls you have to do is get over the initial installation. E-mail
>me if you have problems don't give up! And it is pretty much
>bullet-proof when you get over the new OS-shell language.

>remember WINDOWS 95 sucks! Say it with me now. OS/2 Rules. Besides Do
>you really want to jump on the bandwagon to a crappy operating system?

Gotta love Flame Bait...

Jeff -- KD1IT

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brad Baker)
Subject: Re: 9600 Commercial Rigs???
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could someone please point me toward the tcp-ip mailing list?

tnx,

brad baker
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (KE4GAJ)
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Subject: Anybody Running OS/2 NOS ?
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Hi there!
            I would like to know if there is anyone out there running OS/2
NOS,
JNOS, or whatever. I am looking for info on what program you are using and
where I can obtain a copy of it via internet. Any info much
appreciated.....
       73 DE Rick


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:29 1995
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In <40rg04$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (KE4GAJ) writes:
>Hi there!
>            I would like to know if there is anyone out there running OS/2
>NOS,
>JNOS, or whatever. I am looking for info on what program you are using and
>where I can obtain a copy of it via internet. Any info much
>appreciated.....

If you manage to get it running successfully, let me know too - I thought
I had it running, but I'm still running the DOS PA0GRI - it's reliable at least.



John.

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (pbac)
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Ben's Place is an Atari support BBS with an emphasis on ham programs for
Atari computers.  The latest JNOS,TCP/IP, satellite, and digital software
is available, free, for the downloading.  Call 407 659-1961 to connect.
Runs 300 to 14,400 baud.

73 Terry
WB5LMJ @ WB4MOZ.FL.USA.NA



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From: [e-mail] (Charles Okstein)
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Subject: DX - HF Prediction Program from Satterlee??
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ANyone know where I can find any HF propagation prediction programs, like the
one mention above?

Are there any Windows based programs?


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Jonz)
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Subject: Re: DX - HF Prediction Program from Satterlee??
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Charles Okstein ([e-mail]) writes:

        > ANyone know where I can find any HF propagation
        > prediction programs

If you're "wired to the Web", you might want to check out:

                http://itre.ncsu.edu/radio/mufluf.html

which is an interactive, form-based page that predicts the MUF and LUF
between two locations given an assumed sunspot number.


Todd, KB6JXT



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Olaf Erb)
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Subject: Re: FlexNet for digipeaters
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Eric Bertrem <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> [e-mail] () wrote :
>
>> > So what, in your opinion, would be the advantage of having the source?
>> What about porting it to another hardware / software platform.
>
>This is a good reason, but I think it is already planned to port PC/FlexNet
>on a linux platform.

Right, there's someone working on it.

>> Experimenting with software and protocols is part of the amateur
>> packet radio network. We don't want or need a 100% reliable network.

Not 100%.. but it's nice if it works. Before FlexNet introduced it's
autorouter everything here was really bad.. We had RMNC's with the
old FlexNet running, without autorouter. The NET/WRONG folks talked
bad about it, because you had to specify the whole path on connect.
It wasn't really that bad, even better than NET/WRONG. At this time
FlexNet even did hop2hop ack.
But you never knew how to connect your friend, you had to hold large
maps with all links and try everything out- if a link failed you were
stuck and had to figure out an alternative route. It took hours!
Maybe our situation in Europe is different from the US- to connect
someone 50km way I've usually to go over 2..8 digipeaters.
We have very small areas covered by user-accesses with dedicated links
on 1.2GHz.

Look at this- I want to connect to a user only 300km from here.
=>d db0hsk
*** DB0HSK (0-0) T=414
*** route: DB0IE DB0ROT DB0EQ DB0KUN DB0SWR DB0ASF DB0GV DB0SHI DB0BID
DB0RWT DB0DOZ-7 DB0DOZ DB0HSK-3 DB0HSK

Do you think this may work with TheNET, without hop2hop ack?
Never! If one of the links break, the message is distributed to the whole
network after only some minutes (remember the dead nodes in TheNET,
staying there for days?), and an alternative route (if possible)
is used.
No active rerouting, though. You get a link failure message and disc.

FlexNET also does ax.25 headercompression on its interlinks, saving
some bytes. If a link breaks (or the IN-QSO) it falls back to normal
ax.25.

FlexNET gives detailed information on your links:

Here's an example from my RMNC running FlexNET
=>p 2
po id td qso usr tifr rifr tkby rkby qty   mode       links
 2 -- 28   4   1   36   35    2    2  92   2400+      DB4UT   0-9     27/22

The qty is % of frames accepted form the other node. Very good to
optimize the hardware, maybe I've to do something, 92 isn't that good :)
The last 27/22 is something like a RTT in 1/10ms  (local/remote rtt).
Others are selfexplaining, I think.
It also has an internal trace for every card.
If I want to connect a new radio, I just plug in a new card and that's
it. The biggest RMNC I know has 15 cards, and it still performs good.

>> We are amateurs, remember. We dont want to compete with the national PTT
>> organisations.
>
>Sometimes I wonder when I see all these internet links. What about radio
>links ? ;-)

We're years behind, no chance to compete. They're much more better than
we, the amateurs are, IMHO. I'm talking here hardware..

See the RMNC/FlexNET as a good working box where you can connect all
kinds of modems, terminals.. It's something you want to work if you
need it. My RMNC is now running for over 4 years without any problems,
lockups, resets. Can't even say this about my KISS tnc's.

PC-Flexnet is different, it allows you to build drivers for everything
you want, applications.. It sits like a packetdriver on an interrupt,
waiting for applications. The only thing you can't do yourself is the
ax.25 layer yourself.

If you want to play with ax.25 something different is better, than don't
choose FlexNET..

Don't see this posting as a flame against other systems, everything
has its advantages, and I respect it. I just want to make clear what our
intension is. Maybe the RMNC is useless in the USA. Highspeed-people
there prefer PI2 cards and wa4dsy, here we use RMNC with max. 115k2 KISS
(some bottleneck, maybe) and data-tranceivers (most df9ic-type)
with g3ruh-like FSK modems, all on 23cm. Useraccesses are limited to
9k6/19k2 max. on 70cm or 23cm, very rare 38k4, because of regulations.
(Channels of 25khz/50khz, all channels occupied.. For this the RMNC
suffices very well. But I don't want to see it with 5*115k2 HF links :)

73,
Olaf
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Jonz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: FlexNet for digipeaters
Date: 16 Aug 1995 04:29:39 GMT
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[e-mail] writes:

        > this software is only available in executable - no source code.

AG-Funkamateure-THD ([e-mail]) replies:

        > So what, in your opinion, would be the advantage of
        > having the source?

Well, here are a few generic answers to that question:

        o  Fix bugs; sure, the author's track record to date may be very
           good, but what happens in the future if more pressing issues
           take priority?

        o  Add enhancements; compare the fuctionality of KA9Q's original
           NOS to the various derivatives currently available.

        o  Improve performance; there are a lot of folks out there with
           a lot of experience in link- and network-layer protocols who
           might have some good ideas to contribute.

        o  Education; somebody might actually *learn* something by being
           able to see how the application works.

        o  Port to new environments; I run Linux -- can I get binaries?

Not to mention a very basic motivation for most hams: the desire to tinker.
Most "conventional" hams want to be able to open up their rigs and twiddle
what's inside; why should "digital" hams be any different?  I'll readily
admit to being an "appliance operator" for a when it comes to the hardware,
(isn't it against the law in several states for a software engineer to even
own a soldering iron?), but if I can't tinker with my packet software, I
really have very little interest in it.  I thought experimentation was what
ham radio was supposed to be all about in the first place.

As case studies, Linux and GNU serve as excellent arguments for freely
available source code.  Would anyone be running Linus Tovalds' kernel today
if he had only released it in binary form?  Would the GNU C compiler run on
MS-DOS today if the original implementation hadn't been released as source?

One more point (just to fan the the flames, he said with an impish grin):
although I am thoroughly unfamiliar with FlexNet, I would hazard to say that
if one node running poorly modified code can bring the whole network to its
knees, then the protocol it employs leaves a great deal to be desired.  Who
knows, maybe one of those folks interested in obtaining the source code might
have some good ideas about how to make it a bit more robust.

FWIF, another country heard from....  ;-)


Todd, KB6JXT



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:35 1995
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From: George Poulson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: FlexNet for digipeaters
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 05:18:40 GMT
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In newsgroup "rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc", Olaf Erb wrote:

: >on a linux platform.

: Right, there's someone working on it.

Sounds interesting .. where do I find out more? Is there any documentation?
(preferably English :-).

Is anyone using this system in the UK?

--
George G7LOB

NTS     : G7LOB@GB7LOB.#28.GBR.EU
Amprnet : [e-mail]            Internet : [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:35 1995
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From: Ian Wade <[e-mail]>
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A message for Eric Ebertrem. I saw somebody (in Australia I think)
complaining the other day that he couldn't get email messages to
you, as your address was unknown. The same has happened here today --
I have tried to send you two messages, but they bounced. Can you
try jumping on your IP provider?  :-)

73
Ian, G3NRW


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brad Boundy)
Subject: FT-290R
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I have never been active on Packet Radio. I have a Yaesu FT-290R
transciever and I was thinking of using it to transmit Packet with it.
Does anyone have any experience interfacing one to an IBM compatable
PC?  What will I require?

Brad
VK4NT



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Costas Vlassis)
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        OK thanks for your time reading this message but since I am new
to the word of Ham Radio I really need some help !
        To be honest I do not know WHERE to start...
I own a 486DX/33 with 8MB RAM (soon 16) and running Linux + DOS - Win3.1
but most of the time I am in Linux.
        Reading through the HAM-HOWTO I found on a Linux ftp server I saw
all the neccessary software for the communications (AX.25, satelite
tracking software, etc) but there was no mentioning about the HARDWARE
needed !  Then a packet.faq fell into my hand but that was seriously
outdated (1993 !) so here I am asking you :
        What do HARDWARE do I need to get me started with packet radio
communications ? (please be as clear as you can) and how much the cost
will be ?
        As you can probably guess I do not live in USA but in Europe,
Greece.  What's the experience with this kind of telecommunications on
this side of the Atlantic ?
        Does packet radio offer direct connection to the Internet or not
? I mean E-mail, USENET, FTP, TELNET, WWW, etc ?  What are the speeds
like ?

        Thanks very much for your time,
        Costas Vlassis ([e-mail])



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From: [e-mail] (Mparkes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Help tuning Digital Modes on HF?
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Hi Herb:

I don't know if I can help you on the different shifts for rrtty...(i
never did much rtty, prefer the other digital modes.)

But...as far as amtor, pactor etc goes, here's how to tell the difference:

Amtor is the "fastest" chirp...it sends much shorter bits of information
spaced closer together.

Pactor is longer...the chirps or longer in duration and timing is slower.

Gtor is the longest of all...Very long chirps...

Hope this will help. You'll find after a while that you won't be
scratchin' your head trying to figure them out. You'll recognize each for
what it is. The only area that I still have trouble though is telling the
dif between amtor FEC and pactor FEC...sound the same to me...you'll just
have to switch between the two modes until the KAM starts deciphering
something! (This you'll usually find for other stations calling CQ).

73's
Mike KS4DA


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Jonz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: How will Win95 help us?
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[e-mail] (Nathan Duehr) writes:

        > I understand from a trusted friend who is a consultant in
        > networking and computers that Windows NT at the kernel level
        > *IS* an old version of Unix.

Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) replies:

        > From what I gather, NT is migrating to a Mach-like microkernel
        > architecture

Just prior to the original release of NT, someone wrote a book about its
development (similar in concept to "Soul of a New Machine".)  If I recall
correctly, the engineering project manager came from DEC, where he had been
responsible for the development of a Mach-based microkernel.  When DEC
killed the project, Microsoft signed this guy up almost overnight, along
with a large portion of the development team.  To say that NT is UNIX is
certainly an overstatement, but they undoubtedly share some common roots.


Todd, KB6JXT



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jay J. Chichon)
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Subject: Kenwood 940 Timing Problem
Date: 15 Aug 1995 15:55:59 -0400
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Has anyone had the problem of being able to run Amtor with the 940 all ok
but not Pactor? I have this problem and it is due to the fact that the
Transmit/Receive Turn-Around Time of the 940 increases dramatically with
the
longer PTT Key Down time of Pactor. This does not happen with all 940's....

in fact I know of only one other that has the same problem. I would like to
hear
from anyone familiar with this problem. 73.
Jay J. Chichon
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DARRYL LINKOW)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: KPC-3 clock/calendar chip
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:24:00 -0800
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 Upgrade for Kantronics KPC-3 TNC's

  Clock/Calendar chip -  $15.00 includes shipping

  To purchase, leave Email message  and send check or
  money order to me:  Darryl Linkow - KE6IHA
                      4958 Marmol Drive
                      Woodland Hills, CA 91364

  Internet: [e-mail]   OR   [e-mail]

---
 * OLX 2.2 * Darryl Linkow [phone]  9 am - 5 pm PDT


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Luke Pickering)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: L2PCX 9k6 Modem Driver.
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 01:19:57 GMT
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Hi all, I have an early version of L2PCX (test version of 30 May 1995)
which is designed to run a simple 9k6 modem through the serial port of
an IBM-PC.

Unfortunately it has some problems & I would like to contact the
author direct so I can pass on some information that may be of use in
any later version. If anyone has an E-mail address for the author, who
appears to be located in Austria, then could you let me know please?

Alternatively if anyone is aware of a version later than what I have
then I would appreciate a note as to where it might be obtained...

Thanks, de Luke ZL2JF (@ZL2JF.#80.NZL.OC).




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Whittaker)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Mods to turn 1200 BPS modem into packet beast?
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HI there...

I'd heard that there was a way to turn a modem into a TNC.. I'm wondering
if it's possible to modify either a Hayes 1200 bps modem or a Packard
Bell PB1200plus into something that's capable of receiving/sending digital
radio traffic..

Thanks in advance..
E-Mailed replys can be sent to [e-mail]
Cheers & 73s
Richard (VY1RW)


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:43 1995
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From: Bob Vaughan <techie>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Mods to turn 1200 BPS modem into packet beast?
Date: 16 Aug 1995 08:50:00 GMT
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It can't be done..
The basic problem is that the modern 1200bps modems are of the Bell 212
type, where modems for packet are Bell 202 (different modem protocol)..
The main reason that packet uses 202 is that they were available cheaply
as obsolete landline modems at the time that packet was first being developed..

The Bell 202 modems were half duplex, where the Bell 212 modems are full
duplex,
and they also use a different set of tones..

Best bet: go out and buy a inexpensive TNC, or build a Baycomm modem..

[e-mail] (Richard Whittaker) wrote:
>HI there...
>
>I'd heard that there was a way to turn a modem into a TNC.. I'm wondering
>if it's possible to modify either a Hayes 1200 bps modem or a Packard
>Bell PB1200plus into something that's capable of receiving/sending digital
>radio traffic..
>
>Thanks in advance..
>E-Mailed replys can be sent to [e-mail]
>Cheers & 73s
>Richard (VY1RW)

--
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Freerk Kuperus)
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Subject: Need documentation SIEMENS teleprinter T 1000
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Can anyone supply me with the documentation of te SIEMENS teleprinter T1000 ?

| Freerk Kuperus
|
| Holland Railconsult                   tel [phone]
| Postbus 2855  3500 GW Utrecht fax [phone]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Bowman)
Subject: Packet / Internet Gateway
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Hi

Does anyone know of any packet / internet gateways which can handle
email.

I am already familiar with wb7tpy in Arizona ... but was wondering if
anyone has come across others.

thanks Peter ve7yap



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From: [e-mail] (Emanuel Borsboom)
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Subject: Re: Packet / Internet Gateway
Date: 17 Aug 1995 13:32:00 GMT
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Peter Bowman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Does anyone know of any packet / internet gateways which can handle
: email.

: I am already familiar with wb7tpy in Arizona ... but was wondering if
: anyone has come across others.

Try ve7ihl (IHLBBS) in Delta, B.C.  You can send/receive internet e-mail,
as well as telnet to non-ampr sites.

---
Emanuel Borsboom
 internet: [e-mail]
   packet: VE7NUL@VE7DIE.#SVI.BC.CAN.NOAM



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Re: packet software for macintosh
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In article <40kmd6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (SallieE) wrote:

> Looking for any packet software (commerical or shareware) that that can be
> used on a macintosh computer.  Would appreciate any information on type of
> software that can also download files from another packet station.  Thanks
> for any infor.   Sallie


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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bernie Doehner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Ramsey FX-440 for 9600 baud packet?
Date: 18 Aug 1995 04:51:52 GMT
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Hi,

Is anyone out there successfully running 9600 baud packet with a Ramsey
FX-440? If yes, what mods (if any) did you have to do to get it working
successfully?

Bernie nu1s ([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Terry Pridgen)
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Subject: RTTY
Date: 17 Aug 1995 18:23:15 GMT
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Just recently gotten interested in RTTY.  Any info on equipment
suggestions, books to read, and any other info will be greatly
appreciated.  Pse EMAIL to:[e-mail]
73//KC4YTF//
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From: [e-mail] (Terry Fugate)
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In article <4101ej$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Terry Pridgen) says:
>
>Just recently gotten interested in RTTY.  Any info on equipment
>suggestions, books to read, and any other info will be greatly
>appreciated.  Pse EMAIL to:[e-mail]
>73//KC4YTF//

Be sure to try the HAMCOM program.  It does a fairly good job(on strong
singal).  It uses an opamp camparator circuit.  Should cost you way less
than $5(us) even if you have to buy everything.  It will also work with
JVFAX.(a great wefax program).
You should be able to snag them off the oakland ftp site.  I think the
ARRL ftp site has them.
Good luck

>

.............................................................................
Terry Fugate
UKTV
University of Kentucky
"The opinions expressed herein are mine, and soley mine.  They do represent
the official view of the University of Kentucky, the State of Kentucky, or
any agency of any government or agency.  If you do not like my opinion,
just get on with your life.  I will not change your mind and you damn sure
can not change mine."


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lee W. Fry)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: spread spectrum bands and chips
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 16:01:18 -0800
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:

> What are the details on what kind of spread spectrum
> experimenting I can do on the three FCC allocated bands
> in the US: 902-928 MHz, 2400-2483.5 MHz and 5725-5850 MHz.
> Are all three currently open and if so what if any restrictions
> are there on details such as allowed codes or radiated power?
>
> Also, what manufacturers are there of spread spectrum chips?
> I have data on Stanford Telecom and an Atmel chip.  Any others
> out there?
>

Sounds like there is not a lot of interest based on the overwhelming
response to your posting.  Maybe we can get something going here.

I think there is the possibility of something interesting being built out
of the commercial networking products that are being developed.

In December 93, W7SX gave a presentation to our company club on the
potential application of the Plessy DE6003 2.4GHz SS tranciever to an
amateur digital network at 625 Kbps.  At the time he was an engineer at
Plessey in Scotts Valley.  Had done his homework, but apparently didn't
get enough started to gain momentum.  Looked real neat to me.  625Kbps
would make ISDN look sick. Don't know where W7SX is now.

In March of this year I had a reply from someone at Thorne EMI CRL who
gave me some information on a RS-485 serial interface tranciever they have
developed operating at 2.45GHz and capable of up to 1Mbps. It conformed to
European Standard ETS 300 328.  Price was given as 488 UK pounds sterling
(ex vat) in quantities 1 - 10.


With gain antennas these types of units could be good for several
kilometers point-to-point.  There is a possibility, if you get enough
players, of putting together a fairly high performance network.  How about
TCP/IP nodes linked at up to T1 speeds with lower speed, say 56Kbps, nodes
off of them?

--
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed above are my own and do not in any way represent Loral Aerospace Corporation.
Lee W. Fry   [e-mail]


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From: "Steven R. Bible" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: spread spectrum bands and chips
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[e-mail] (George Schmitt) wrote:
>
>
>What are the details on what kind of spread spectrum
>experimenting I can do on the three FCC allocated bands
>in the US: 902-928 MHz, 2400-2483.5 MHz and 5725-5850 MHz.
>Are all three currently open and if so what if any restrictions
>are there on details such as allowed codes or radiated power?
>
>Also, what manufacturers are there of spread spectrum chips?
>I have data on Stanford Telecom and an Atmel chip.  Any others
>out there?
>
>Thanks.
>
>-George
> [e-mail]


George, what you are talking about is the FFC Rules Part 15 allocations
and the respective restrictions and requirements that go will it.  In a
nutshell, Part 15 allows direct sequence spread spectrum communications
under 1 watt transmitted power in the above three bands you mentioned.
This being a amateur radio newsgroup, Part 97 rules are very much
different, and will be changing in the near future.

I have created an Amateur Spread Spectrum Web page that goes into much
more explaination of both Part 15 and 97 rules.  I also have details of a
STA that you can join to do experimenting beyond the present Part 97
rules.  Then there is a biblography page and an other links page (which
is quite popular, it is links to other SS info on the Web).

The URL is

    http://www.sp.nps.navy.mil/ss

Lastly, on a chip set, look at the Loral (formally UNISYS) PA-100 chip.
I was the guest columnist for Harold Price's Digital Communications
column in the June QEX.  It was an introductory SS article and mentioned
the PA-100 chip.  I also briefly mentioned PANSAT, a spread spectrum
amateur satellite being built at the Naval Postgraduate School in
Monterey CA.  (http://www.sp.nps.navy.mil/pansat/pansat.html).





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In the above message example, "help" retrieves a brief set of instructions
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From: [e-mail] (Olaf Erb)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: V.34 PROTOCOL: WHAT IS IT?
Date: 15 Aug 1995 09:42:36 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Dave Scobie <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I am trying to write an assignment for a class. The professor has asked us
>to answer a few questions on the v.34 or v.fast protocol that is in the
>news (and modems) lately. I went to our school library and could find
>nothing. Does anyone have a bit o' info on them for me? The questions are:

Try comp.dcom.modems. The protocol-specs are on the ITU gopher, but
without account you can't get them, they cost money.
If someone knows where to get the protocol specs for free, please
post it here :)

Some time ago this was posted: (longish)

>Newsgroups: sci.electronics,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.telecom.tech
From: [e-mail] (Brett Frankenberger)
Subject: Re: Summary: Are 28.8 kbits/s modems and digital telephony incompatible?
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 02:02:45 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
Jon Goguen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Thanks for the informative post. I have been wondering how it is possible
>to devise a modulation scheme that gets multiple bits or baud into the
>time occupied by a single cycle of the highest carrier frequency (4000) Hz
>usable.  Does anyone know how this is done?

No one uses 4000Hz carrier frequencies (among other reasons, everything
above 4000 Hz would get filtered, so the signal would essentially be
single-sideband ... not inherently bad, not not good with current
modulation schemes.)  Nor do any standard modems use 4000baud (4000
signal changes per second).

The carrier frequency isn't really relevant at all -- getting multiple
bauds into one cycle of the carrier is no big deal.  (Of course,
getting multiple bauds into one cycle of a 4000Hz carrier is futile
since that would be more than 4000 baud, which won't work on the phone
network).  You can change the signal multiple times per cycle with no
problem ... for example, I'm going to invent a new modulation scheme
called v.brettf right here ... it will use a 100 Hz carrier, and offer
3000bits-per-second, and run at 3000 baud (signal changes per second).
This will be strict amplitude modulation - I'll send the signal at 0dD
to represent a 1 bit and -10dB to represent a 0 bit.  I'll be changing
the amplitude of the signal 30 times per cycle of the carrier (or once
every 12 degrees).  That's OK.  There's nothing that says the receiver
had to receive an entire cycle to determine the amplitude of a signal.
(A sinusoidal signal in general is
amplitude*sine(frequency*time+phase)) ... time can be determined
locally, the frequency is known (it's the agreed upon carrier
frequency) ... phase and amplitude are the two unknowns (of which the
receiver only cares about amplitude) ... so with two samples of the
signal, the receives can determine the amplitude of the signal ...
thus, is he can sample the signal 60 times per cycle (and this get two
samples everytime the signal level changes), he can successfully
demodulate the signal).  (I don't want to beat this analogy to death,
since it describes a modulation system that is not in use anywhere that
I know of, but I will point out that in theory, he could demodulate the
signal with just 30 samples per cycle, since the phase is a constant
and could be determined in advance ... but frequency is neither
constant (no transmitter can maintain absolutely zero frequency drift)
nor agreed upon in advance (modem specs never require exactly X Hz
carriers, because nothing is that accurate -- there is always at least
some percentage of error allowed ... but we can model frequency error
and drift as a very slow change in phase, and then we can assume that
phase is constant over one "baud" (1/30 of a cycle) but not constant
over all time ... and if we do that, two samples per baud are both
necessary and sufficient to demodulate the signal.)

In all seriousness, the about modulation scheme is completely viable,
and is implementable using technology available today.  It just won't
work over a regular telehpone line.  Why?  All digital-based signals
(i.e. everything that every comes from a modem's modulator) have
infinite bandwidth.  The signal is then filtered down to a (roughly) 4K
bandwidth (by internel filters in the modems and by the phone network).
This distorts the signal.  The trick is to design a modulation scheme
such that, after it is filtered to a 4K bandwidth, enough of the signal
remains to be able to demodulate it.  That's what's wrong with my
proposed modulation scheme.  Enough of the signal won't be left after
it gets filtered for a demodulator to be able to receive it.  But in a
lab where I could run over circuits with bandwidths much larger than
4K, it would work fine.

So the carrier frequency is completely irrelevant in  terms of
theoretical bandwidth limitations.  It's just chosen to make everything
"work" (As info, V.34 running at 28.8kbps typically uses a carrier of
1959Hz).  It's even possible to design a modem that used a 6000Hz
"carrier" and run it over regular phone lines, as long as the resultant
signal (coming out of the modulator) has enough information in the
below-4KHz range.

What the 8Khz sampling rule limits you to is 4000 Signal Changes per
second, or 4000 Baud.  No one actually goes that high, though ... v.34
at 28.8Kbps is only 3429 baud.  (Note: For the rest of this post, I am
assuming 28.8KBps V.34 with 3429 baud ... V.34 defines manay data rates
other than 28800, and many bauds other than 3429, and, in fact, even
defines 28800 KBps at baud rates other than 3429).  To get higher data
rates, more than one bit per baud is used.  How can this be done?  Many
ways.  If you are using amplitude modulation, instead of having one
level represent "1" and another level represent "0", you can define
four power levels and have one for "00" another for "01", another for
"10" and another for "11".  Thus, everytime you change the signal, you
sent two bits.  This gives you two bits per baud.

This is how 2400, 9600, and 14400 bps modems work ... 2400bps is 600
baud & 4 bits/baud (I think ... it's been a while since I dealt with
v.22, though) ... 9600 and 14000 are (definitely) 2400baud and 4 and 6
bits per baud (respectively).  They are also all based on Quadrature
Amplitude Modulation, which (essentally) uses two carriers at the same
frequency (separated by 90 degrees in phase) and varies their amplitude
(for 4 bits per baud, you have 4 possible amplitude values, which gives
2bits/carrier/baud*2carriers=4 bits per baud).  (Implementation is more
complicated than that, but this at least gives you an idea).

v.34 is a lot more complicated ... at the high end, it is 3429bps with
8.4 bits per baud!  How can you have fractional bits per baud? ... there
are a couple of ways to look at it ... one is that each signal change
conveys 9 bits 40% of the time, and 8 bits 60% of the time.  Another
way is to realize than 8.4 bits/baud is 42 bits every 5 bauds, 2^42 is
4.398*10^12.  Since (4.398*10^12)^(1/5)=337.78, all you need to do is
provide 338 possible values every signal change.  Then the modem just
reads 42 bits, and converts the number to base 338.

Neither of these two ways of looking at things is completely right ...
The first one (put 8 bits in some bauds, and 9 bits on other bauds)
brings up an obvious question:  If you are putting 9 bits in some bauds
and 8 bits in others, then obviously you have the ability to put 9 bits
into a single baud.  So ... why not put 9 bits in all of the bauds and
get 30861 bits per second.  Well, the answer is "it depends" ...
depending on the exact details of a modulation scheme, it may or may
not be be possible to do that ... remember, the output of the modulator
is going to be distorted by the network, and the goal is to have an
understandable signal at the other end ... it is conceivable that
9 bits every baud won't work, but 9 for some of the bauds will work.
In the case of V.34, the point is moot, since v.34 doesn't switch
between 8 and 9 bits per baud.

The second way I gave above doesn't have any obvious flaws.  And, in
fact, it would be a perfectly viable way of (in theory) doing things.
The only problem with it is that it isn't how V.34 actually works.

The way V.34 does it is to realize that 8.4 bits/baud is 67.2 bits
every 8 bauds.  Thus, they transmit 68bits/8bauds 20% of the time, and
67bits/8bauds 80% of the time.  Actually, though, they transmit
68bits/8bauds 100% of the time, and stuff an extra "0" bit into 80% of
the "8baud groups" (not really - see below for details).  One way of
looking at 68bits/8bauds is 2^(68/8)=362.04 (must round up to 363)
possible signal levels per baud.  There are two issues here: (A) This
isn't how v.34 does it -- that is, they don't simply have 363 possible
signal values per baud -- they have a much more complex way of getting
68 bits / 8 bauds, and (B) The question still comes up: If you are
going to put 68 bits in every 8 bauds, why can't I use all 68 bits
every 8 bauds and get 29142bps (instead of 28800).  First, they really
run at 29000bps, since V.34 defines a 200bps secondary or control
channel.  So they use 67.67bits/8 baud (or, 68 bits/8bauds and bit
stuff a 0 in 33% of the time) to give 29000bps, then subtract the
200bps control channel to leave 28800 for the user.  I suppose if they
wanted to allow usage of that extra bit that appears in every third
group of 8 bauds, they could, but that would give a very non-standard
data rate of 28942bps ... and the percent gain over 28800 would be only
0.5% ... so "why bother"?

This isn't meant to be all inclusive -- If you want gory details, you
can get the V.xx specs ... but this gives an idea of how you can cram
multiple bits into a baud and how you can have multiple bauds within
one cycle of the carrier.  Hopefully the above wasn't too confusing :)
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rene Olsen)
Date: 16 Aug 95 18:41:44
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Subject: Version of MBL ?
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Hi All.

I would like to now what the most recent version of MBL is, and
where I might be able to obtain it.

Thanks in advance.

Rene Olsen (OZ1LQH)


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:55 1995
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From: Bob Nielsen <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Version of MBL ?
Date: 18 Aug 1995 00:16:40 GMT
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[e-mail] (Rene Olsen) wrote:
>Hi All.
>
>I would like to now what the most recent version of MBL is, and
>where I might be able to obtain it.
>

MBL hasn't been updated in a long time.  The most recent is version 5.14 and
you can ftp it from ftp.tapr.org  in /tapr/software_lib/bbs/mbl514.zip

73 de w6swe


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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Timothy Horn)
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SD>I would just like to say that Windows 95 is the same crap repackaged
SD>and refurbished as Windows nt, 3.11, etc etc. It still freezes and
SD>locks up when doing simple multi-tasking.

SD>OS/2 On the other hand. Rules! It is the best operating system I have
SD>had. Alls you have to do is get over the initial installation. E-mail
SD>me if you have problems don't give up! And it is pretty much
SD>bullet-proof when you get over the new OS-shell language.

I'm glad you're happy with Warp. I've been using OS/2 since 2.0. And
I've been more than happy with it...I've invested enough in OS/2
applications. But I'm now at the point of shifting to another
platform...be it Win95 or Nt. Why? Because I can't connect to my ISP in
Warp and getting information from IBM is expensive if not hopeless. And
I keep reading about Warpees having problems with the IAK in the various
comp.os2 and OS/2 conferences in RIME, Ilink, Intelec, etc. I don't see
any such complaints about windows internet programs. Everyone can use
Netscape and most web sites are recommending it. And there is a plethora
of good and free internet apps whereas OS/2 apps can be expensive.

I've loaded Win95 (June beta release) and its installation program puts
Warp's install to shame. If it hadn't failed to install the telesystems
network driver (whatever that is) which prevented my internet software
dialer to work, I'd have switched by now. As it is, I boot from Warp to
wfwg3.11 to run my ISP software (Total Access from Earthlink), grab the
USENET newsgroups I subscribe to in FreeAgent and head back to Warp to
read them in winos2. TotalAccess and Netscape will not work in winos2.
And Earthlink does not support OS/2 having lost the only employee who
was familiar with Warp.

I've reinstalled twice now starting with the original IAK. That had no
problem dialing Advantis. But who wants to go broke using Advantis? So I
tried the slippm dial other provider route. It dials but fails to
negotiate a complete link. I installed the latest ppp.zip from Hobbes
and it won't even start dialing.

If you're the guru, perhaps you can dicipher these 32bit addresses with
respect to the IAK notebook pages:

IP Address: 206.43.133.81
Gateway   : 198.68.160.1
Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0
DNS Address 198.68.160.2

Perhaps I put them in the wrong slots. Maybe not. Someone suggested
there is a TCP/IP update in addition to the ppp.zip file I downloaded.
He failed to indicate what file name this might be on Hobbes or
elsewhere.

For the vast majority of home computer users, Win95 will be a superb
multitasker. Most of us do not perform heavy duty background operations.
Win95 does do background communications work very well according to most
of those doing serious beta work. I can download large zip files in
Wincomm using wfwg3.11 while working in the foreground with other
windows apps without losing characters or otherwise botching the
download. And from all accounts, Win95 is somewhat better than wfwg
wrt multitasking. So windows isn't that bad for most folks. It's not as
good as Warp. But it does the job.

Any suggestions will be appreciated. Regards, tbh.
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In article <[e-mail]>
   [e-mail] (Timothy Horn) writes:
>
> I'm glad you're happy with Warp. I've been using OS/2 since 2.0. And
> I've been more than happy with it...I've invested enough in OS/2
> applications. But I'm now at the point of shifting to another
> platform...be it Win95 or Nt. Why? Because I can't connect to my ISP in
> Warp and getting information from IBM is expensive if not hopeless. And
> I keep reading about Warpees having problems with the IAK in the various
> comp.os2 and OS/2 conferences in RIME, Ilink, Intelec, etc. I don't see
> any such complaints about windows internet programs. Everyone can use
> Netscape and most web sites are recommending it. And there is a plethora
> of good and free internet apps whereas OS/2 apps can be expensive.
>
Works OK with my ISP. I didn't have to pay for any of the related apps
either.

Dave
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:58 1995
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>Any suggestions will be appreciated. Regards, tbh.

Get Windows NT and forget both Win95 and OS/2. Given a choice between
OS/2 and Win95, pick OS/2. Win 95 is very much based on DOS with all
of its problems. Given a choice of NT, pick NT, hands down.



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:51:59 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman) writes:
>It is such a great product that people shouldn't "give up" on the
>INSTALLATION?  Wow, it must be REALLY great if you have to work that
>hard just to get it installed, and from your article it looks like
>using it REALLY builds up the old brain muscle there, eh?

yes. they should.  most people don't have the widely heralded installation
problems either, but some do.  win/95 is showing some of the same traits
in the at work test beds.  both os/2 and win/95 install best on no-name
clones so far. get a "name" computer and there seems to be no end of
things that are squirrelly.

>I also like the bullet proof part that you can have if you "get over"
>the new OS-shell language.  I guess you can count me out, with Windows
>95 I don't have to "get over" anything, it all works.

what "shell" language? the commands for os/2 are very much the same as
plain old dos. REXX is a much better language for batch files (just as things
such as DEC DCL are...)

"it all works" just means you haven't found what doesn't yet. when even the
big mags talk of major applications that will have problems with the new
order from microsoft, such broad statements must be discounted.

used to be a saying that the only working programs are trivial.

>No, which is why I stay away from rinky dink OSs with infinitesimal
>market share like, of, I don't know, say, OS/2.

turn in your bank machine card. odds are the system under it is OS/2.
OS/2 ain't going away just yet. even the Betamax isn't dead.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:52:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brad Boundy)
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WA4DSY-1@ wrote:

>>No, which is why I stay away from rinky dink OSs with infinitesimal
>>market share like, of, I don't know, say, OS/2.
>>

>Rinky dink indeed!

>Try running DEBUG from win95 and use the f command to
>fill the bottom 64k of ram with FFs.  win95 will crash.
>Do the same thing with OS/2 in a DOS session....DOS session dies
>but OS/2 stays up along with all other DOS and windows sessions!

>Your VFAT file system will waste 10% more disk space than
>OS/2 HPFS.  Thats 100 megs lost on a 1 gig drive!  No wonder
>windoze users need Stacker.  HPFS resists fragmentation.  Windoze
>users need to purchase defraggers for vfat drives.  All in all windoze
>is a gold mine for software utility writers.

I have been running OS/2 from v2.1 and Windows from v3.0 (currently
using Windows '95) and I must agree that OS/2 is a superior product in
many ways, but you will need to present your case with a little more
tact to get an audience with the masses. Just bagging Windows is
counter-productive at best, and you can't get around the fact that the
vast majority of softare packages have been written for the Windows
platform and so it is an easy and viable choice for nearly everyone.

You'll have to do better than that.

Cheers,
Brad



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:52:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Sloman) writes:
>WA4DSY-1@ wrote:
>>How much experience have you had with OS/2 ?
>
>Only a small experience.  I use OS/2 only when forced into it by
>proprietary software that requires it.

That shows.

>What _about_ the 200 apps that have problems?  There are TENS of
>THOUSANDS of Windows apps that run fine under Windows 95.  THere are
>still more applications for Windows then there will ever be for OS/2.

That would be funny if it didn't reinforce your answer above. OS/2
runs Windows apps just fine, better than Windows in most cases, so
there are actually *more* OS/2 apps available than apps for Windows.
OS/2 is a better platform for running Windows apps than Windows 95,
and much better than Windows itself. Windows 95 specific apps are
a different matter, of course, but they are as yet few in number
compared to OS/2 specific apps.

Gary

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 18 14:52:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Jonz)
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Rick Munn ([e-mail]) writes:

        > Each OS has its own strong points and weaknesses. I choose which
        > one to boot depending on the job I need to do.  All three can live
        > happily together in my shack.

What are you trying to do here, Rick?  Inject an element of rationality into
this debate?  Just who the heck do you think you are?!

        > I have Windows, OS/2, and Linux, on the same machine.

As a developer, I have a clear preference for UNIX, and I think Linux is
the greatest thing since peanut butter.  I haven't worked on OS/2 since
release 1.1, which was quite incomplete (not to mention buggy as hell) but
it featured a very nice API.  I find the MS-Windows family of APIs to be
ugly, quirky, inconsistent, and the most difficult of the three with which
to become proficient.  Fortunately, as middleware products become more
mature and affordable hardware becomes more powerful, these issues are
becoming more and more academic.

As a user, there's no doubt that the MS-Windows environment offers the
widest selection of application software today, and will probably continue
to do so for the foreseeable future.  IMHO its level of application
integration and interoperation runs rings around the other two environments.

Which is the "best" operating system?  Beats me.  Which is the superior
color: crimson, magenta, or chartreuse?

        > Let's put an end to this OS bashing now.

Watch it, Rick; suggestions like this could get you thrown off Usenet.  ;-)


Todd, KB6JXT



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Hi all,

I have a MFJ1274 which doesn't include AMTOR and I could like to try out
AMTOR as cheaply as possible.

Does anyone have a AMTOR capable controller for sale that I can plug
between my computer and HF radio?

Bernie nu1s


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:30 1995
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Is there any sort of regular G-TOR activity, such as a bulletin board
using this mode? I'd like to try it, but haven't run across anyone using
this.

73 de Jay, KD2L


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  You can find PMNOS and PMail at

  ftp.ucsd.edu  in hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming

  Look for files PMNOSX13.ZIP & PMAIL.ZIP

John D.
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:31 1995
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In article <40rg04$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (KE4GAJ) wrote:

> Hi there!
>             I would like to know if there is anyone out there running OS/2
> NOS,
> JNOS, or whatever. I am looking for info on what program you are using and
> where I can obtain a copy of it via internet. Any info much
> appreciated.....
>        73 DE Rick

I had JNOS 1.10g running in a DOS fullscreen with no problems, although I
had to change some of the DOS settings. It ran fine in the background and
while other stuff was running as well. I had OS/2 v2.10.

I tried PMNOS (forget which vers), but found JNOS to be better.

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:32 1995
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Frank Alwine ([e-mail]) wrote:

:                               Has anyone come-up with a ftp site for
: the executables for FlexNet or the english documentation?  If so, if
: you would please reply both directly to my e-mail address and the
: newsgroup with an address?


I asked specifically about the linux version a little while ago. (thanks to
Olaf for the reply!) I will post anything that I do find out from the author
here (unless he posts the details first!).

In the meantime I too would be interested in a source for any documentation
and/or MS-DOS executables.

Thanks!
   George
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:33 1995
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Todd Jonz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: AG-Funkamateure-THD ([e-mail]) replies:

:       > So what, in your opinion, would be the advantage of
:       > having the source?

:       o  Fix bugs; sure, the author's track record to date may be very
:          good, but what happens in the future if more pressing issues
:          take priority?

I think it`s very unlikely that someone finds a bug in a piece of software
he`s not familiar with, faster than the author of the software can do.
Do you think this will change in future?

:       o  Add enhancements; compare the fuctionality of KA9Q's original
:          NOS to the various derivatives currently available.

Well, compare the stability, too. KA9Q is said to be pretty stable (am I
wrong here?), and then look at some of the derivates.

:       o  Improve performance; there are a lot of folks out there with
:          a lot of experience in link- and network-layer protocols who
:          might have some good ideas to contribute.

Then contribute! But why do you have to hack the source for that? You will
find it a hard task to discover the design issues by reading the source..
Look, I just took the task to port Fred Baumgartens PingPong-Convers
package to PC/FlexNet. The first attempts were _very_ unstable, just
because some of my changes and enhancements conflicted with Fred`s code.

:
:       o  Education; somebody might actually *learn* something by being
:          able to see how the application works.

Very doubtful. Looking at "alien" sources is somehow a masochistic habit.
Look, most software is not written for educational means, so what will
you learn from reading the source? How to write in C? Certainly you will
learn how the author uses to write in C :-) I think that is not worth
to spend time upon.

:
:       o  Port to new environments; I run Linux -- can I get binaries?

Why not. I run Linux, too. I don`t have the source for most of the binaries,
they simply work.

: One more point (just to fan the the flames, he said with an impish grin):
: although I am thoroughly unfamiliar with FlexNet, I would hazard to say that
: if one node running poorly modified code can bring the whole network to its
: knees, then the protocol it employs leaves a great deal to be desired.  Who
: knows, maybe one of those folks interested in obtaining the source code might
: have some good ideas about how to make it a bit more robust.

I don`t want to bring up the old "BayCom vs FlexNet" discussion here again
(and hopefully noone else will!). One advise: take some literature, and read
about router design issues, and you will learn that any FlexNet-style router
is a very peculiar thing.

: Todd, KB6JXT

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:34 1995
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 [e-mail] (Olaf Erb) wrote :

> I just talked about this with Gunter (DK7WJ) about this.
> The main problem was the lack of a complete English documentation.

You're wrong ! DG0JAB has translated the whole FlexNet German manual into
English (I have a beta release on my HD), and I've translated my French
PC/FlexNet + FAQs into English (corrected in Great Britan, hello Ian !).

In addition, most of the drivers now have a multilanguage DOC file : English,
French, and German.

So everything is about to be ready for an international release :-))
Let's wait until DK7WJ officially releases the version.

73s.

Eric BERTREM

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Eric Bertrem)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: FlexNet for digipeaters
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 [e-mail] (Olaf Erb) wrote :

> Not 100%.. but it's nice if it works. Before FlexNet introduced it's
> autorouter everything here was really bad.. We had RMNC's with the
> old FlexNet running, without autorouter. The NET/WRONG folks talked
> bad about it, because you had to specify the whole path on connect.
> It wasn't really that bad, even better than NET/WRONG. At this time
> FlexNet even did hop2hop ack.

NET/WRONG is a horrible thing.

> But you never knew how to connect your friend, you had to hold large
> maps with all links and try everything out- if a link failed you were
> stuck and had to figure out an alternative route. It took hours!
> Maybe our situation in Europe is different from the US- to connect
> someone 50km way I've usually to go over 2..8 digipeaters.
> We have very small areas covered by user-accesses with dedicated links
> on 1.2GHz.

You don't have to convince me :-) : I know your country very well, and use
RMNC or PC/FlexNet every day. I perfectly know how it works, and how
efficient it is.


> If I want to connect a new radio, I just plug in a new card and that's
> it. The biggest RMNC I know has 15 cards, and it still performs good.

Have you read the article about DB0ZDF in the July issue of CQ DL ? It's
realy a nice and big system !


> See the RMNC/FlexNET as a good working box where you can connect all
> kinds of modems, terminals.. It's something you want to work if you
> need it. My RMNC is now running for over 4 years without any problems,
> lockups, resets. Can't even say this about my KISS tnc's.

Same thing here : we only need to update the master-Eprom when new versions
come out, and nothing else ! It is reliable, small, et efficient.

By the way, what's your local digi ? Maybe we could have a live chat one day.

73s.

Eric BERTREM

'Email  : [e-mail]'
'Packet : F5PJE @ F6BIG.FRHA.FRA.EU        '



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Eric Bertrem)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: FlexNet for digipeaters
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 Ian Wade <[e-mail]> wrote :

> A message for Eric Ebertrem. I saw somebody (in Australia I think)
> complaining the other day that he couldn't get email messages to
> you, as your address was unknown. The same has happened here today --
> I have tried to send you two messages, but they bounced. Can you
> try jumping on your IP provider?  :-)

I already did Ian :-)) He said the system is ok. I'll forward him a copy of
your message. Try to send emails to [e-mail], it's an
alternative address which will be rerouted here.

You can also try packet-radio, our countries aren't too far away and F6BIG
has a wonderful HF link to Great Britain (but no binaries :) ).

73s

Eric BERTREM

'Email  : [e-mail]'
'Packet : F5PJE @ F6BIG.FRHA.FRA.EU        '



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:37 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: FT-290R
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: FT-290R

>>...Packet Radio...Yaesu FT-290R...

Here's a note I found on ATTENTION to Details BBS [phone] in
their extensive MODS database:

There is a very "hard" de-emphasis in FT-290R. This can cause serious
problems copying packet signals with some demodulator chips, eg. like the
XR2211.

By a common request, here is a modification of this popular TCVR for packet
radio. It was made after a RADIO-REF article in several copies, by HA5OB,
HA5DI, HA3MA and others. Increasing the intelligibility in noisy environment,
this modification is also useful in FM voice communications.

You'll have to add only a serial RC unit, the R being 4.7 kOhm, and C being a
1uF tantalum capacitor. Put them between the pin 9 of IC Q1019 and the
collector of transistor Q1021, with the positive leg of the tantalum
capacitor to the collector of the transistor. These points can be found as
test points, near to IC Q1019. Solder the components together, wrap some
insulation around them, then solder to the test points mentioned. That's all
you have to do!

With this modification, FM reception will sound somewhat noisy, but much
louder.



Clint Bradford
---
 * TLX v4.00 * ATTENTION to Details BBS - 909/681-6221 - EFF/AOP/ASP
 ■ wcECHO 4.1 ≈ AR-Net: ATTENTION to Details ■ Mira Loma, CA ■ 909-681-6221


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:37 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Help with PK232MBX purchase..
Message-ID: <1995Aug19.213123.7566@muvms6>
From: [e-mail] (d)
Date: 19 Aug 95 21:31:23 EDT
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Hello All:

Today I bought pk232MBX from local Ham and version is 7.0
dated Dec 1, 1993.  I was told it has pactor and Gateway installed
I have not tested it for those modes.  I would like to know what
is the latest version and are there any advantages with new version
if it exists. I mean EPROM version.  It came with pakratt software
for windows.  Please advise me on whether it is good buy or not.
I paid $180 for this unit.  I have option of returning the unit.

Please let me what the experienced people think.

Thanks for your help.

73
Dinakar KG8OE



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Noel Newton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Help with PK232MBX purchase..
Date: 20 Aug 1995 11:24:12 -0700
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Consider yourself fortunate...

Noel



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:39 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: How will Win95 help us?
Date: 19 Aug 1995 03:50:54 GMT
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In <40uu8b$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Todd Jonz) writes:
>Just prior to the original release of NT, someone wrote a book about its
>development (similar in concept to "Soul of a New Machine".)  If I recall
>correctly, the engineering project manager came from DEC, where he had been
>responsible for the development of a Mach-based microkernel.  When DEC
>killed the project, Microsoft signed this guy up almost overnight, along
>with a large portion of the development team.  To say that NT is UNIX is
>certainly an overstatement, but they undoubtedly share some common roots.
>Todd, KB6JXT

there were a lot of now-former DEC folks in the area that were expecting
NT to be a lot more like a micro-VMS than it is (i don't think that's a bad
thing...can you imagine a VMS/386? ick.). if i recall correctly the guy now
at MS was also heavily involved in VMS as well...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (GBohner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Internet/Packet Email Gateway
Date: 18 Aug 1995 16:24:31 -0400
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I am a ham cruising the Caribbean by boat (temporarily, I am at home in
FL).

I would like to use a packet/Internet Gateway to send Email to non-ham
friends and family to keep them informed of our whereabouts.  Also, if the
gateway was relaiable and timely, I could file a float plan for some of
our
more dangerous open-ocean crossings.  SInce I am in the Caribbean, I think
an
HF gateway might be more practical (what do you think?).

Could you please provide me information on how to access any Internet
gateways that you might know about, particularly on HF.  Since I just
bought
a KAM--Plus and have not yet got my feet wet with packet, I appreciate any
suggestions on how to be most successful.

Send mail to [e-mail].  TNX Guy Bohner, W6LJL


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: IP Network Links at 5.7 Mbps
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 11:51:09
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Tinker AFB here in Oklahoma has solved one of its network problems
by using the Cabletron AirPort II product.  The link starts on a roof
about 15 ft off the ground.  It then is aimed at a telephone pole on
a slight hill.  Here they have three other AirPort products.  One to
the first link, and two more for the other two end points.  So the
telephone pole and RF heads act like a router to the three seperate
networks (ties them together).

To top it off, the AirPort series uses the Ham bands with Part 95 rules.
The reason Hams would never have designed this, is because we are limited
to AX.25 and a 17 bit shift register for spread spectrum.  You could use
other protocols than AX.25, but you can't then transport third party data.
Well actually someone could have designed it in the hopes that the AX.25
would finally die, and real SS chips from the industry would be allowed.
This is a far fetched hope; however, as the ARRL is in no mood to advance
digital protocols past anything the Choo-Choo used in 1870 (didadidadidah)

Specifications:

AirPort Series Wireless Interbuilding Ethernet Systems

Hubs

Chassis:

AirPort I:
6" H x 17" W x 17" D (43 cm D x 43 cm W x 15cm H)
Desktop or rack mount (Standard 19" rack adapter supplied)

AirPort II:
9" H x 18" W x 16" D
Desktop or rack mount

Antenna:

AirPort I:
27 cm D x 19 cm W x 47 cm H (18.5" H x 7.5" Wx 10.5" D)
Desktop, wall or ceiling

AirPort II:
Outdoor roof mounted 24" dish Indoor window mounted 16" square planar

Remotes

Remote with Antenna:

AirPort I:  10cm D x 18 cm W x 28 cm H (11" H x 7" W x 4"D)
Desktop or rack mount

AirPORT II: 43cm D x 43 cm W x 15 cm H (17" x 17" x 6")
(Desktop or rack mount, standard 19" rack adapter supplied)

Interface Unit:
18cm D x 13 cm W x 6.5 cm H (7" x 5" x 2.5")

LAN Interfaces

Hubs:
IEEE 802.3-compliant 10Base-T (RJ45 uncrossed), AUI (female)

Remotes:
IEEE 802.3-compliant 10Base-T (RJ45 crossed), AUI (male)

Performance

Radio Signaling Rate:
16 Mbps aggregate (2 independent 8 Mbps channels)

User Data Throughput:
5.7 Mbps aggregate

RF Specifications

Frequency Bands:

Hubs:
Transmitter: 5.746-5.830 GHz            84 MHz Bandwidth (42+42)
Receiver: 2.400-2.484 GHz               84 MHz Bandwidth

Remotes:
Transmitter: 2.400-2.484 GHz
Receiver: 5.746-5.830 GHz

Modulation Technique:
Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum

Encoding:
16 PSK with Trellis encoding and FEC

Spreading Factor:
32 chips per baud

Effective Radiated Power:
1 watt

Effective Range:
AirPort I: 300 meters (1000 feet)
AirPort II: 1.4 km (4750 feet)

Electrical Specifications:
Hubs: 90VAC-250VAC, 50-60 Hz, 250 watts

Remotes: 90VAC-250VAC, 50-60 Hz, 22 watts

Antenna Characteristics:
AirPort I: 120° horizontal coverage, 60°
vertical coverage

AirPort II: 7° beamwidth vertical polarization

---

Hell this isn't anything a Ham couldn't do given the incentive, and we
could economically use 10 Watts instead of 1 Watt.

---

AirPort I Wireless Solution

AirPort I is an interbuilding connectivity solution primarily
designed for smaller distances.  AirPort I can communicate at distances
up to 300 meters (1000 feet) with general line of sight to the point of
connection.  Utilizing a wireless hub/remote architecture, the AirPort I
relies on a standalone hub to manage the product's remote device.  This
ensures optimal performance and a reliable data channel in the face of
unpredictable atmospheric conditions.

AirPort II Wireless Solution

AirPort II provides an interbuilding connectivity solution with the
flexibility to be installed indoors or outdoors.  It can communicate at
distances up to 1.4 kilometers (4750 feet) with general line of sight to
the point of connection. Remote-Hub-Remote access is 2.8 kilometers.
Similar to the AirPort I, the  AirPort II features a wireless hub/remote
architecture providing reliability and low error rates in inherently
difficult communication environments.

Benefits of Cabletron's Wireless Solutions
Spread Spectrum Technology for Transmission Security

Spread spectrum radio transmission techniques used in the AirPort
Series are extremely difficult to intercept and much more immune to
Radio Frequency (RF) noise than conventional radio. This type of radio
system has been used extensively by the U.S. military because of its
inherent security characteristics. Security is further assured through a
pre-set ID code that the hub uses to communicate with the wireless
remote.

No FCC Licensing Required

The AirPort Series operates on a bandwidth which requires no
end-user licensing. This allows for a wide variety of installation
possibilities since users do not have to obtain FCC licensing every time
they move their wireless equipment from one area to another.

SNMP Manageable

Users are provided with performance information, operational control
and diagnostics of the AirPort Series from any SNMP-compliant management
systems, including Cabletron's own SPECTRUM® for Open Systems(TM).

Connects Easily to Existing Wired Networks

Cabletron's AirPort Series is fully compatible with all existing
IEEE 802.3 specifications. It works with any Ethernet device and is
fully compatible with all existing network protocols and operating
systems. Essentially the AirPort Series operates similarly to a wired
system except that, as a standards-based network, it can be set up
anywhere, at any time, with minimum tools, expertise or disruption to
ongoing activities.

---

There you go, real packet radio at speeds that cause G related illnesses.
Put a 1.2 kbps AX.25 link on the same path and see which one can transfer
the most poop.  I think I know which one will win.

---

The above Cabletron information was taken from their WWW server on the
internet.  Do a lookup on Cabletron to find them.

---
Steve
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:43 1995
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From: "Steven R. Bible" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: IP Network Links at 5.7 Mbps
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[e-mail] (Steve Sampson) wrote:

>Tinker AFB here in Oklahoma has solved one of its network problems
>by using the Cabletron AirPort II product.  The link starts on a roof
>about 15 ft off the ground.  It then is aimed at a telephone pole on
>a slight hill.  Here they have three other AirPort products.  One to
>the first link, and two more for the other two end points.  So the
>telephone pole and RF heads act like a router to the three seperate
>networks (ties them together).
>
>To top it off, the AirPort series uses the Ham bands with Part 95 rules.
                                                           ^^^^^^^
                                                           Part 15


>The reason Hams would never have designed this, is because we are limited
>to AX.25 and a 17 bit shift register for spread spectrum.  You could use
>other protocols than AX.25, but you can't then transport third party data.
>Well actually someone could have designed it in the hopes that the AX.25
>would finally die, and real SS chips from the industry would be allowed.
>This is a far fetched hope; however, as the ARRL is in no mood to advance
>digital protocols past anything the Choo-Choo used in 1870 (didadidadidah)


Come on Steve!  You know better than this!  You are leaving facts out of your story that are
clouding the issue.

1) The AX.25 requirement was dropped from the Part 97 rules a year ago.  There is no more
requirement for AX.25.

2) The 17-bit shift register limit is in the present rules but there is an STA that allows
experimentation of _any_ spreading code.  It is easy to join.  (I sent you this information
several months ago).  Details are available on the web site listed below.

3) What are you doing to encourage the FCC to have the rules changed?


 [snip]

>RF Specifications
>
>Frequency Bands:
>
>Hubs:
>Transmitter: 5.746-5.830 GHz           84 MHz Bandwidth (42+42)
>Receiver: 2.400-2.484 GHz              84 MHz Bandwidth
>
>Remotes:
>Transmitter: 2.400-2.484 GHz
>Receiver: 5.746-5.830 GHz
>
>Modulation Technique:
>Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum
>
>Encoding:
>16 PSK with Trellis encoding and FEC
>
>Spreading Factor:
>32 chips per baud
>
>Effective Radiated Power:
>1 watt
>
>Effective Range:
>AirPort I: 300 meters (1000 feet)
>AirPort II: 1.4 km (4750 feet)

 [snip]

>---
>
>Hell this isn't anything a Ham couldn't do given the incentive, and we
>could economically use 10 Watts instead of 1 Watt.
>
>---

Yep, this is Part 15 alright.  To read the exact wording of Part 15.247 of the Code of
Federal Regualtions goto http://www.sp.nps.navy.mil/ss/15_247.html.


>---
>
>There you go, real packet radio at speeds that cause G related illnesses.
>Put a 1.2 kbps AX.25 link on the same path and see which one can transfer
>the most poop.  I think I know which one will win.
>
>---

But you did not tell everyone how much this system costs.  I am sure that a group of hams
can banter up the money and establish a backbone, but the user costs are still too high for
Joe Average Ham.  Yet there are hams that have done this very thing.  To read about it goto
http://www.sp.nps.navy.mil/ss/other.html.


>---
>
>The above Cabletron information was taken from their WWW server on the
>internet.  Do a lookup on Cabletron to find them.
>
>---

Why not tell people what the URL is?

Goto http://www.ctron.com/Catalog/Standalone/AirPort.html


I established an Amateur Spread Spectrum web site in May to inform Amateurs about Spread
Spectrum communications.  It lists all the rules and regulations pertaining to SS in Part 97
and 15.  There is a biblography of text books and journals one can read to learn more about
SS and an entire web page with pointers to other SS related pages on the Web.  The URL is:

  http://www.sp.nps.navy.mil/ss

I am always looking for new information to put on the web site and links to connect to.

I also wrote an introductory article about Amateur SS in the June QEX (under NK6K's Digital
Communications Column).  It tells of experimentation hams can do to advance the art of radio
(SS radio that is).


73, Steve N7HPR





From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Daryl Clarkson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: JVFAX?
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 19:25:03 GMT
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Can anyone tell me about the JVFAX wefax rx program -- does it still exist?

Cheers
Daryl.
ZL4TWO


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] ("Kevin Hodges")
Subject: Looking for info on 2Mbps 10 GHz links
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 17:06:24 GMT
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Hi I'm looking for info on N6GN's 2Mbps 10Ghz link, I have all the RF
side  ok but can't find any info on how to connect up to the computer,
Basically I can't find any info on what type of card to use , Ethernet is
to fast and Token ring runs at 4 or 16 Mbps. Any one know if there is a
card that will run at 2Mbps

Kevin Hodges
G0CHI@GB7VRB.#38.GBR.EU


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:45 1995
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From: Rob Dover <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: MFJ 9k6 modem schem wanted
Date: 20 Aug 1995 16:13:17 GMT
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Message-ID: <417mut$7g0$[e-mail]>

Hi
I am looking  for a schematic  diagram for a  MFJ 9600 bps  modem. This is the
one that fits into the MFJ 127x series TNC's and TNC II's.
Thanks and 73 -Rob-

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Putrich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Mods to turn 1200 BPS modem into packet beast?
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 12:56:07 -0500
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In article <40rahn$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Richard Whittaker) wrote:

> HI there...
>
> I'd heard that there was a way to turn a modem into a TNC.. I'm wondering
> if it's possible to modify either a Hayes 1200 bps modem or a Packard
> Bell PB1200plus into something that's capable of receiving/sending digital
> radio traffic..
>
> Thanks in advance..
> E-Mailed replys can be sent to [e-mail]
> Cheers & 73s
> Richard (VY1RW)

I have a Smartmodem 1200, and am considering something related. The
problem is that the 1200bps packet is Bell 202, and the 1200bps on the
telephones are 212A. They are not compatible. I don't know if it's
possible to modify the modem so that it does 202. There's also a block
diagram on A-14 of the manual (the old orange one) on how to hook it up to
a radio. Good(?) news is that the 300bps mode is 202 for both packet and
phone. BUT...

It should work just fine, as long as you communicate with other phone
modems (unless you're able to modify the modem).

Good luck.

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:47 1995
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From: Marshall Craw <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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  I am pleased to announce a new product offered by Positive Time Systems
  called the RCS-I.  This is a radio controller that connects to any VHF/UHF
  transceiver and can issue x-10 commands. (X-10 is a power line standard
  for controlling devices throughout a building. Sears, Radio Shack, and
  others offer these compatible units)
   The unit also has an alarm input, a listen feature, a short voicmail box,
  and responds to all commands in a pleasant female voice. The system IDs
  with your recorded voice and call sign.  This description doesn't do the
  product justice, so please check out the new homepage at :

                  http://www.halcyon.com/pos.time.sys/top

  or you may email us with you address so that we can promptly send you
  our brochure and newsletter.

  NOTE: This product is intended for US voltages of 120 / 220 VAC.  Another
  version is offered to support other international power standards.

  FLASH! NEW FEATURE!  The RCS-I has a new feature called Secure Access
  Mode(SAM).  When enabled, the access code changes dozens of times per
  hour, making it virtually impossible to hack into.

  Thank You,

  Marshall Craw  <[e-mail]>
  Positive Time Systems
  North Bend, WA



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:48 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: New Ham Test Simulators - Macintosh
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       The new Macintosh Ham Test Simulators are HERE!

              Novice Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea
              Technician Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea
              General Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea
              Advanced Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea
              Extra Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea

The latest versions feature:

    HyperCard 2.3 as a stand-alone application (SA) eliminating
    the need to have HyperCard. All you need is a Mac with 4
    Meg of memory and version System 7 or greater.

    Each version 5 Ham Test Simulator has the latest questions
    as prepared by the Question Pool Committee.

    Each Ham Test Simulator is FREE OF CHARGE and work the
    same way as the originals written by Diana, KC1SP.

You may obtain a Ham Test Simulator by mailing me a *FORMATTED
disk (1 per test) and include a Self Addressed and Stamped disk
mailer for the return.

Each Ham Test Simulator is also bundled with a shareware CW
program called MacMorse 1.4 written by Doug, WB0EON.

Also included are a collection of text files that relate an
interesting variety of ideas about the best way to study CW and
prepare for tests.

or warm your phone line and get just the tests:

America On Line - Macintosh Ham Radio Section

ftp://oak.oakland.edu//pub3/hamradio/mac/theory-and-morse/AdvancedHamTest1.sea.bin
ftp://oak.oakland.edu//pub3/hamradio/mac/theory-and-morse/ExtraHamTest.sea.bin
ftp://oak.oakland.edu//pub3/hamradio/mac/theory-and-morse/GeneralHamTest.sea.bin
ftp://oak.oakland.edu//pub3/hamradio/mac/theory-and-morse/NoviceHamTest.sea.bin
ftp://oak.oakland.edu//pub3/hamradio/mac/theory-and-morse/TechnicianHamTest.sea.bin

Your comments and suggestions for future versions are always
welcome. Stay in touch and good luck with your next test!

73,


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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Pietro Carratu')
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: packet radio socket software
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 01:40:24 GMT
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Hello,
I need some info about packet radio socket software:
Can one of the follows radio modems operrate with 'Trumpet Winsock'
socket software at 9600 baud, carrier at 43 Mhz (ch 40 Khz)?
AEA PK96, TINY 2MK2, BAYMOD9600, SPIRIT 2.
If not, exists some shareware/freeware socket software to start a
TCP/IP link and to run software as Netscape, etc?
Is it possible to setup 'Trumpet Winsock' or other socket software to
work with a 'fast-simplex' modem which works at 9600 baud, 43 Mhz (ERE
RMO.94, made in Italy)?
Thanks in advance,
Pietro Carratu'
e- mail [e-mail]
           [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:49 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.net-connect.net!news
From: [e-mail] (Charles Morrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: packet radio socket software
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 08:06:20 GMT
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In article <4154is$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Pietro Carratu') wrote:
>Hello,
>I need some info about packet radio socket software:
>Can one of the follows radio modems operrate with 'Trumpet Winsock'
>socket software at 9600 baud, carrier at 43 Mhz (ch 40 Khz)?
>AEA PK96, TINY 2MK2, BAYMOD9600, SPIRIT 2.
>If not, exists some shareware/freeware socket software to start a
>TCP/IP link and to run software as Netscape, etc?
>Is it possible to setup 'Trumpet Winsock' or other socket software to
>work with a 'fast-simplex' modem which works at 9600 baud, 43 Mhz (ERE
>RMO.94, made in Italy)?
>Thanks in advance,
>Pietro Carratu'
>e- mail [e-mail]
>           [e-mail]
>

Pietro,

Im not sure what you mean exactly by the 43 mhz, but here in Lafayette, we
have set up a LAN on 446.900 using 9600b tcp/ip.  Our LAN includes a gateway,
that I have successfully installed and configured trumpet to access the Net
via packet radio.  Our gateway is running Jnos, and merely passes the tcp/ip
traffic.  From there, I've configured Trumpet 2.0b to use ethrax25.zip and
winpkt.com as the packet drivers, and have obtained web pages from Netscape,
mail from Eudora, and even IRC from WS_IRC.  Also included are the general
apps such as finger and telnet.  All seem to work fine, albeit slow at 9600b,
but they are at least a way for Hams in the Lafayette area to get their feet
wet before shelling out money for a telephone connection to the Net.

Charlie
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: packet radio socket software
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 10:37:29
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In article <4154is$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Pietro Carratu') writes:
>Can one of the follows radio modems operrate with 'Trumpet Winsock'
>socket software at 9600 baud

[snip]

The problem is the delay times in radio.  Instead of milliseconds, the best you
can do is seconds.  Most network software is designed for milliseconds and
this timing is just too fast for radio.

Solution:

Build a router.  Get the k5jb net program from:
ftp.ucsd.edu:/hamradio/packet/tcpip/k5jb or incoming

and an old junk XT or AT (floppy only is good).  The reason is, is you don't
really want all that bullshit layered into the xxxNOS series.  NOS makes a
poor BBS, it makes a poor everything.  The creeping featurism has made
it into a fat pig that requires a dedication unworthy of its use as a router.

Joe Buswell (k5jb) has spent his time on the old NET program debugging
it and not stuffing it.  It makes an excellent router.  So here's my
recommendation:

        XT with floppy
        K5JB NET
        Packet MODEM and RADIO
        Ethernet Card (NE-2000) Cheap

Then hook this into your network and you're done.  The packet router then
handles the AX.25 protocol and seconds timing, and it also handles the
Ethernet timing to your WIN95, WFW, OS/2, Linux, Unix, you name it.

--
Steve
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:51 1995
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From: Robert Novak <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Questions on HF packet
Date: 19 Aug 1995 02:03:46 GMT
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I am just learning about packet and have a few questions.


Is there a HF internet/packet gateway in operation?  I would like to
communicate with my partents via packet radio.  They are ham operators and are
in Mexico.  They have a TNC(AEA Pakrat 232) and a PC that they currenty use for
downloading weather info.

It is my goal to be able to send and recieve e-mail to/from them while they
sail in Mexico and Costa Rica.

What is the best way to do this?  Do I need to sign up with a service?  What
software do I need to send them?

Thanks in advance

rob novak (KD6TOG)

--
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Does fuzzy logic tickle?



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Meredith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: WB7TPY Gateway?
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LRL>Can someone tell me what the status of David Dodell's gateway is? I have
LRL>tried to send a few messages through it lately with no response.

LRL>Thanks,
LRL>Greg

LRL>--
LRL>Opinions expressed are my own and are not intended to be an official
LRL>statement by the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

LRL>Gregory R. LaBorde                    Phone: [phone]
LRL>Member Technical Staff - Galileo OET  [e-mail]
LRL>Jet Propulsion Laboratory             Packet:kd6msm@w6vio.#soca.ca.usa.na

It is working A-ok,  he was on vacation for a tad....


Dan

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve King)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Will SP v6.0 + PK-88 work?
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 12:13:31 GMT
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Has anyone who has an AEA PK-88 and is running SP v6.0 (or at least
v6.x), please tell me how they did it?  I'm also interested if anyone
has a clean (i.e., still in the original ZIP file w/ installation
program) version of the program.  SP looks interesting, and according
to the copy of the docs I got from another ham, it theoretically
should work if I use the TFPCR driver.  Unfortunately, I can't get it
to work.  Even though I RTFM thoroughly, and modified the CONFIG.SP
file, the program keeps loading up with the previous user's (whom I
got the program from) callsign, a completely different frequency, and
insists on saving the incoming data from each file.  All this despite
the settings to the contrary in CONFIG.SP.

As for the TNC part, I have been told that I need to set the PK-88 in
KISS mode.  According to the manual, the following commands put it in
KISS mode:

        CONMODE TRANS
        PPERSIST ON
        RAW ON
        HPOLL OFF
        KISS ON
        HOST ON

Unfortunately, after I do the "kiss on" command, the TNC throws
garbage on the screen before I enter the "host on" command.  Is this
the correct way to do it?

After five hours of struggling with SP and my PK-88, I appreciate any
help that is offered.  Tnx.

        Steve KC6WCH

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Rights sound so righteous. But the new rights aren't rights at all: They are
blunt powers masquerading under the name of rights. The rights our forefathers
died for are a shield -- government can't tell me what to do or say -- to
preserve our freedom from others ordering us around. The new rights are a
sword. They are hailed under the flag of freedom. The coinage of the new rights
of the new regime has a flip side; it is called coersion.
                                       -- from "The Death of Common Sense"
                                          by Philip K. Howard



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:54 1995
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From: "Michel Stoop (PE1OZA)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Will SP v6.0 + PK-88 work?
Date: 21 Aug 1995 17:01:43 GMT
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[e-mail] (Steve King) wrote:
>Has anyone who has an AEA PK-88 and is running SP v6.0 (or at least
>v6.x), please tell me how they did it?

There are 2 ways. Use KISS mode or exchange the EPROM with an
TheFirmware version wich runs on the PK88. TFPK27 is the latest.

>has a clean (i.e., still in the original ZIP file w/ installation
>program) version of the program.  SP looks interesting, and according
I must have version 6.50, wich is the last freeware version, on my BBS
The program is now at version 9.52 but you have to buy it (DFl 139,-)
But you can get a limited demo version.

>to work.  Even though I RTFM thoroughly, and modified the CONFIG.SP
>file, the program keeps loading up with the previous user's (whom I

It looks like you have more CONFIG.SP files, propably in a subdir.
Setting the SPDIR variable to your SP dir might also help.
Normaly it will be: SET SPDIR=C:\SP\CFG

>       KISS ON
The PK88 wil instantly switch to KISS mode after this command, so

>       HOST ON
does not work, issue this command before KISS ON.
BUT, you must NOT use this command, it sets the PK88 to AEA hostmode.
Not WA8DED/TF hostmode required by SP.

>garbage on the screen before I enter the "host on" command.  Is this
The garbage is propably just packet data ;-)

And if you use TFPCX, set the PORT= in CONFIG.SP to 5

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Windows 95, NAHH! OS/2 YE
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <41101t$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John Ferguson) writes:
>
>>Any suggestions will be appreciated. Regards, tbh.
>
>Get Windows NT and forget both Win95 and OS/2. Given a choice between
>OS/2 and Win95, pick OS/2. Win 95 is very much based on DOS with all
>of its problems. Given a choice of NT, pick NT, hands down.

While NT is certainly more stable than Win95, it's still a pig. 16 Meg
is the minimum memory to do any useful work, 32 Meg is a more realistic
minimum. The OS and its ancillaries are bloated things that thrash a lot
even on a Pentium 90 system with gobs of memory. It is, however, a real
operating system, unlike the GUI over DOS of Windows.

Both OS/2 and Linux require fewer resources to give good performance.
OS/2 is a better Windows for your Windows apps than Windows itself,
and it handles plain DOS apps better too. 8 Megs will give a comfortable
system, and a 66 MHz 486 is plenty for snappy performance.

While Wine for Linux is still alpha code and won't run many of your
Windows apps, Dosemu will run your DOS apps fine, and all the universe
of Unix apps is open to you. Linux will run nicely in 4 Meg, though
if you want X, bumping that to 8 Meg is better. Linux will run productively
even on a little SX 20 MHz laptop with a small hard disk. OS/2 requires a
bit heavier duty laptop to run productively, but NT is a disaster on all
but the very top super-laptop machines (and who can afford those?).

It seems to me that we're going backwards in some ways. Back when
a 4 MHz Z80 was the hot setup, Wordstar would work comfortably in
48 kb of memory, and edit huge files practically as fast as the disk
could run. Today, pigs like Microsoft Word need gobs of memory and
a fast processor, and they're still glacially slow. Most people seem
to say "So what? We've got fast hardware now." That's true, but tightly
coded applications still let you do more, and do it faster. And it
certainly seems absurd when a 100 Mbyte hard disk won't hold the
applications you used to be able to carry in a box of floppies.

Linux, and Unix in general, were designed with the idea of efficient
coding and use in mind. Most of its apps are designed to do only one
thing, but to do it very efficiently and well. The OS then lets you
chain apps together in many ways to achieve high productivity. You'll
rarely find an app as bloated as MS Word on a Unix system. And the OS
is written the same way, fast and lean. This allows you to utilize
your hardware to its fullest extent. Even a Unix can become bloated,
Solaris is an example, but it doesn't have to be that way. A fully
functional Linux can fit on 8 floppies, with enough apps to do real
work, though having a 20 Mb hard disk makes it more convienent. Try
running NT on such a system.

To bring this back toward digital radio a bit, what kind of machine
do you want to tie to the radio (and indirectly to its lightning
enticing antenna)? Its unlikely it would be one that can run NT.
However, one running Linux would be ideal. Either fixed or portable,
you can run affordable hardware (and *free* software) while having
the full networking functionality of Unix, something that's a kludge
at best under the other OSs, even if you're willing to risk your
heavy hardware to run them.

Sure, you could run NOS on a cheapy DOS box, but that's *all* it
could do. Running Linux allows you to run apps *while* networking,
either independently, or as apps *over* the network. In some ways,
Windows is a nice standard GUI, but it isn't very good over a network.
If you need a GUI over a network, X is *much* better. Its client-server
design is optimized to minimize demands on the network channel.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 95, NAHH! OS/2 YE
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 18:42:11
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In article <412tgk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <41101t$[e-mail]>,
>John Ferguson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Get Windows NT and forget both Win95 and OS/2. Given a choice between
>>OS/2 and Win95, pick OS/2. Win 95 is very much based on DOS with all
>>of its problems.

>So far, so good.

>> Given a choice of NT, pick NT, hands down.

>Only if you have an unlimited hardware budget. NT requires at least 16 MB of
>RAM to deliver anything close to the same performance that OS/2 does in 8.
>Further, you don't get anything more than OS/2 delivers.

The office where I worked ran NT on a P90 with 32Meg.  Later we bumped it
to 64 Meg.  The conclusion was, that NT Server is a pig.  It is bloated as heck
and doesn't perform.  I am assuming that what we really needed was a two or
three processor machine.  NT Server is not very useful on anything less than
64 Meg, and at least 2 processors of the P90 type.

I figured the NT client would be better, but it is a dog too.

So I figured I'd run it at home to analyze what exactly was sucking all the CPU
down.  It has a really nice performance monitor (and I love the tape backup
stuff) so I studied it.  It was running pretty good until I moved the mouse.
Then the %system time went off the scale.  OK, don't use the mouse.  That
left only one other problem, and that is the bloat.  The programs need very
high speed drives, as the files are pretty big.  There's just too much overhead
and the thing is sluggish.  I take it back, maybe one CPU for the console, one
CPU for the disk manager, and one CPU for the applications.

Anybody know a good 2 processor board that will plug in to a PCI bus?

Meanwhile my Caldera Linux screams in 8 Meg.  One of the programs I found
recently (there's just a ton out there) is the Samba program.  I installed
that, and now I can attach a network drive in WFW31 and WIN95 and get my
Linux drive.  Instead of Netbios, it uses TCP/IP (WFW TCP/IP is available
on ftp.microsoft.com).  This is really neat, as I thought maybe I'd have to
purchase one of the PC-NFS or other NFS type products.

So yes, my vote is a linux X window machine, with a bunch of old WFW or
WIN95 clients running Ham/Home/Network poop :-)

--
Steve





From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (D. Ray East)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 95, NAHH! OS/2 YEAH!
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 08:04:07 GMT
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[e-mail] (Todd Jonz) wrote:

>Rick Munn ([e-mail]) writes:

>
>What are you trying to do here, Rick?  Inject an element of rationality into
>this debate?  Just who the heck do you think you are?!


>As a developer, I have a clear preference for UNIX, and I think Linux is
>the greatest thing since peanut butter.

Hey guys I HATE peanut butter!!!!!!

73 spins dray
There is a sucker born every minute.  PT Barnum
Do not think you have just met one    Dray



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 21 18:01:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joseph Moschella)
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Subject: Wisconsin 9600 baud?
Date: 18 Aug 1995 20:29:38 GMT
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        I would be interested in any information about 9600 baud networks in
Wisconsin, preferably in the Milwaukee - Madison area. The only thing I have
been able to find in Wis. had been the 1200bd PBBS's, and would like to know
of any higher speed operations, in the 440 band and even 2m. (Also, please
specify if "TheNet," or "TCP/IP.") Thanks a lot...73!

Joe, N9YJZ




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio)
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Subject: ***TNC DISCOUNTED AT WWW HAM SITE***
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We have the Baypac TNC discounted, we also have "Getting Started in Packet
Radio" both and the video from CQ discounted way below retai. Check out
our entire product line at URL:
                      http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html

                                 73's Ray

--
Ray Sarrio Co.
http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:07 1995
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From: Leon Heller <[e-mail]>
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Subject: 1200 Packet Tone Freqs?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 17:50:31 GMT
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A colleague of mine asked me if I knew what the modem FSK tone freqs for
1200 baud packet radio were. I've looked through the ARRL Handbook, but
can't find them anywhere! Can someone please enlighten us?

73, Leon
--
Leon Heller, G1HSM                | "Do not adjust your mind, there is
E-mail [e-mail]  |  a fault in reality": on a wall
Phone: [phone]         |  many years ago in Oxford.


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Jones WD5IVD /999999)
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1995 ARRL DCC - Tentative Schedule (8/26/95)
--------------------------------------------
A number of amateurs have asked to see the tentative schedule.
For more information check http://www.tapr.org, ftp.tapr.org, or
e-mail [e-mail]

Hope to see you there!

Cheers - Greg, WD5IVD


Friday, September 8th, 1995
---------------------------
        3:00pm - 6:00pm         Registration opens at 3pm  (foyer)
        4:00pm  - 7:00pm        APRS Workshop, Keith Sproul, WU2Z


Saturday, September 9th, 1995
-----------------------------
Times inside each session are approximate.  Each session will begin on
time.  Time will be available after each presentation for limited
questions from the audience depending on the amount of time used by the
presenter.

        8:00am - 5:00pm         DCC Registration        (foyer)

        8:20am  Welcome, Dave Wolf, WO5H & Greg Jones, WD5IVD

---

Session 1a * 8:30am - 10:10am   Room: Johnson Station
        8:30am          AX.25 Transport Layer Drivers for TCP/IP
                      Mark Sproul, KB2ICI       [p. 119]
        9:00am  NETMGR: A Graphical Configurator for ROSE X.25 Networks,
                      Donald Rotolo, N2IRZ      [p. 101]
        9:30am  TAPR/AMSAT DSP-93, Frank Perkins, WB5IPM        [p20, 27, 97]


Session 1b * 8:45am - 10:15am   Room: Mill Creek
        8:45am  Introduction to Digital Communications, Jim Neely, WA5LHS
        9:15am  Introduction to HF Digital Communications, Johan Forrer, KC7WW
        9:45am  Introduction to Packet Networking, TBD

---

Session 2a * 10:30am - 12noon   Room: Johnson Station
        10:30am Convolutional Decoders for Amateur Packet Radio,
                      Phil Karn, KA9Q   [p. 45]
        11:00am Modeling Some Data Communications Functions Using Excel,
                      Tom McDermott, N5EG       [p. 56]
        11:30am Data Radio Standard Test Methods, Donald Rotolo, N2IRZ  [p 51]


Session 2b * 10:30am - 12noon   Room: Mill Creek
        10:30am Introduction to APRS, Keith Sproul, WU2Z
        11:00am Introduction to TCP/IP, John Ackermann, AG9V
        11:30am Intro to Satellite Communications, Robert Diersing, N5AHD

---

Lunch * 12noon - 1:30pm Room: Arlington Downs

---

Session 3 * 1:30pm - 3:30pm     Room: Johnson Station
        1:30pm  An Introduction to FlexNet, Gunther Jost, DK7WJ [p. 37]
        2:00pm  Building a Packet Network & DAMA, Karl Medcalf, WK5M  [p. 65,73]
        2:30pm  The Tulsa NWS TexNet Interface Project, Bob Morgan, WB5AOH [77,86]
        3:00pm  Graphical Information Systems and Ham Radio,
                      Keith Sproul, WU2Z        [p. 108]

---

Session 4 * 3:45pm - 5:00pm
        Room: University Hall
             HF SIG / HF Digital Issues, Conducted by Johan Forrer, KC7WW
        Room: Rush Creek
             APRS Topics and Issues, Conducted by Keith Sproul, WU2Z
        Room: Johnson Station
             RUDAK-U/P3D Topics and Issues, Conducted by BDale Garbee, N3EUA

---

Dinner * 6:00pm - 8:00pm        Room: Arlington Downs
                Banquet Speaker: Phil Karn, KA9Q

        8:00pm - 11:00pm        Informal Meeting Area   Room: Rush Creek


Sunday, September 10th, 1995
----------------------------
        9:00am  -       1:00pm  PCS Workshop, Dewayne Hendricks, WA8DZP (Room:
Johnson Station) (Personal Communications Systems)

        ARRL Future Systems Committee Meeting (Time TBA)



------------------------------------------------------------------------
TAPR (Tucson Amateur Packet Radio)
8987-309 E Tanque Verde Rd #337 * Tucson, Az * 85749-9399
---
Phone : [phone]                Fax   : [phone]
web   : http://www.tapr.org/tapr    ftp   : ftp.tapr.org
e-mail: [e-mail]
------------------------------------------------------------------------



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:09 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: 2400 Baud TNC?
Date: 26 Aug 95 01:48:22 GMT
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I am looking two 2400 TNCs so I can improve the throughput on my link to
the Internet gateway.  Can anyone help.

Thanks from my users and me  de VE7MDL           ....Erik.


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Grzegorz Mielcarek)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: AX.25 protocol help.
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 13:18:35 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (WISZNIEWSKI  SEBASTIAN) wrote:
> Hi all, thanx for reading this. I'd like to find out more about the
>AX.25 protocol used for packet radio. Mainly I'm interested in how
>Unnumbered frames are constructed. I'd like to find out the bit
>assignments for control field, what binary code needs to be sent
>in order to denote that the particular transmission is an unnumbered
>one. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanx.
>
>

Czesc Sebastianie

Ja kiedys szukale czegokolwiek o AX.25 i co nie co znalazlem:

    ftp://hydra.carleton.ca/pub/hamradio/packet/ax25.std
oraz
    [e-mail] (wystarczy pusty mail)

A Ty masz cos ciekawego ????

Serdecznie pozdrawiam

Grzegorz SP3RNH





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Tech. University in Zielona Gora, Poland

phone: [phone] ext. 231, 421
  fax: [phone]

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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Toste)
Subject: Baycom and WIN95
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Has anyone tried getting the Baycom modem to work in WIN95?  Mainly
AX25.COM ??

--
 David Toste [VE3TOS]        Internet - [e-mail]
 Don Mills, Ontario.          SWLOGit - The Ultimate Shortwave Listeners
 ftp.virginia.edu  /pub/swlogit/        Software. (Fidonet: 1:250/930)
 http://www.io.org/~saturn/SWLOGit.html (SWLOGit Web Page)


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Wanna Hemasuk - SRNS)
Newsgroups: alt.cellular-phone-tech,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,alt.radio.digital,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Subject: Re: Cell Phones & RFI affecting computer systems?
Followup-To: alt.cellular-phone-tech,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,alt.radio.digital,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Date: 25 Aug 1995 15:18:56 GMT
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LarryFinch ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >Hi,
: > Does anyone have information on Cell Phone RFI, and how it might affect
: large
: >computer systems utilizing VLSI and high density SMT designs?  There was
: >
: If it is truly a cellular repeater it is very unlikely to be the problem.
: Cells are low power -- typically 100 watts or less. More than a few feet
: away the energy level will be lower than what comes out of the microwave
: in the cafeteria.

        I use 1 watt 900mhz cellular and 5 watts 145mhz HAM handy 2-3 hours
 a day for 5 years. Dose anyone have information about eyes and brain
effect .

thanks
wanna H.
--
        *************************************************************
        * Wanna Hemasuk      Siriraj Hospital      Bangkok Thailand *
        * [e-mail]               Mahidol University *
        *************************************************************



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (GBohner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Clover/AMTOR/PACTOR mailbox Freqs Needed
Date: 27 Aug 1995 12:22:19 -0400
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I am looking for the same, so I can access Internet email from my boat in
the Caribbean.  If anyone has info, please send mail to [e-mail].
Thanks in advance.


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gareth Rowlands)
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Data over Spread Spectrum - advice ?
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Hello,

One of my colleagues wishes to set up a spread spectrum data link on UHF
between his home and our club node/bbs site.  I'm quite happy to leave
him to do this (and liase with the licencing authority !), but would like
to do some background reading in order to be better placed to assist.

Would anyone like to own-up to knowing of suitable publications or
internet resources describing spread-spectrum techniques ?

Many thanks,

Cheers,

Gareth.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:13 1995
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From: John Morris <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Data over Spread Spectrum - advice ?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 16:31:46 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Gareth Rowlands" writes:

> Hello,
>
> One of my colleagues wishes to set up a spread spectrum data link on UHF
> between his home and our club node/bbs site.  I'm quite happy to leave
> him to do this (and liase with the licencing authority !), but would like
> to do some background reading in order to be better placed to assist.
>
> Would anyone like to own-up to knowing of suitable publications or
> internet resources describing spread-spectrum techniques ?

I believe that ARRL do a spread spectrum handbook. It apparently isn't
one of those carried by RSGB (according to latest Rad Com). If you don't
get an answer here, you could try asking on rec.radio.amateur.misc.

It sounds interesting - can you let us have any more information?

J.

--
John Morris                Usenet is essentially Letters to the Editor
[e-mail]    without the editor. Editors don't appreciate
GM4ANB@GB7EDN.#77.GBR.EU   this, for some reason.      - Larry Wall





From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bernie Doehner)
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Data over Spread Spectrum - advice ?
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Date: 26 Aug 1995 00:11:33 GMT
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Gareth Rowlands ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hello,
:
: One of my colleagues wishes to set up a spread spectrum data link on UHF
: between his home and our club node/bbs site.  I'm quite happy to leave
: him to do this (and liase with the licencing authority !), but would like
: to do some background reading in order to be better placed to assist.

I don't know about England, but here in the US, we are allowed to
operate Spread Spectrum on any ham band above 420 Mhz., using up to 100W
output, although we are limited to 3 distinct spreading code (for direct
sequence). There is a current permit (special temporary authority) that
once part of it, lets you do spread spectrum between 50 and 420 Mhz. as
well, and removes the silly restriction on the spreading code you use.

In addition to the ham bands, it is also legal for anyone to set up any
kind of spread spectrum between 902 and 928 Mhz. (1 max
output/unlicensed). England might have something similar (?)

: Would anyone like to own-up to knowing of suitable publications or
: internet resources describing spread-spectrum techniques ?

Check out http://www.sp.nps.navy.mil/ss

He has a pretty good description of what spread spectrum is, and also
some bibliographies (right off the main page). If you are looking for
a more practical approach, you might try the Spread Spectrum Sourcebook
(not sure if it's part of the bibliographies mentioned.
:
: Gareth.

Let me know if you need additional information..

Bernie Doehner nu1s ([e-mail])



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James R Miller)
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Data over Spread Spectrum - advice ?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:35:45 GMT
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In message <[e-mail]> John Morris wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]>
>            [e-mail] "Gareth Rowlands" writes:
>
> > Would anyone like to own-up to knowing of suitable publications or
> > internet resources describing spread-spectrum techniques ?
>
> I believe that ARRL do a spread spectrum handbook. It apparently isn't
> one of those carried by RSGB (according to latest Rad Com). If you don't
> get an answer here, you could try asking on rec.radio.amateur.misc.


  Cut out the middleman.  Pick up the phone, dial 001 203 666 1541, ask for ARRL
  bookshop, ask for publication #3177 "ARRL Spread Spectrum Sourcebook", give
  your MC/VISA number and wait about a week.

--
============================================================================
   James R Miller                    E-mail:    [e-mail]
  Cambridge England                  Stardate:  1995 Aug 25 [Fri] 1939 utc
============================================================================



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gareth Rowlands)
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Data over Spread Spectrum - advice ?
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 23:17:05 GMT
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May I say a big "thank-you" to those readers who were most kind to respond
to my enquiry regarding reading material on spread spectrum communications.

Philip Cadman, Bernie Doehner, James Dunnet, Glenn Elmore, David Hough,
James Miller (THE Man!) and John Morris have all been very thoughtful in
volunteering sources of material and encouragement.  Thanks must also go to
those who might have written after this post was sent too !

We now have a bit of reading to do, and must then submit a proposal to the UK
licensing authorities for their consideration and (hopefully) approval.

Cheers and 73!

Gareth Rowlands, G4HIP (BBC Ariel Radio Group)








From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:17 1995
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Hi OM's and (X)YL's!

As SysOp of SK0VF BBS, north of Stockholm, I'm looking for
forwarding partners in Canada, South America, Indonesia and
Japan.

I would like to use Internet for forwarding!

73 de Pontus, [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:17 1995
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Hi!

As SysOp of SK0VF I'm looking for forwarding partner in Canada!

I would like to use Internet for the forwarding...

73 de Pontus, [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bernie Doehner)
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Subject: FS: 3c503 Ethernet card
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Selling:

3c503 Ethernet card.. First offer over $20 gets it shipped to your door.

Selling because I upgraded to a NE2000.

Bernie ([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:19 1995
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Look at (ftp)grivel.une.edu.au and there you will find s/w for a BAYCOM modem,
There are 3 packages that I have had success with, Baycom,TPK & Graphic packet.
Now you will need a modem. I built up a Baycom modem earlier this year and it works
great. With the Baycom modem the pc does most of the work and for a grand outlay of
about $50 you can get goning on packet.Incidently, Tom Moffat had an article in
Electronics Australia several years ago describing a thing called the "pocket
packet". This is no more than the original Baycom Modem. I think the circuit is also
at that ftp site in postscript format. The only slightly difficult thing will be
obtaining the TCM-3105 modem chip. I got mine through mail order from Geoff Wood
Electronics in Sydney for about $14. I think the Moorabbin Radio club here in
Melbourne will sell the entire kit with pcb and all bits for about $50. The type of
radio seems to be no problem. Baycom will run on a 4.77 M xt whereas GP/TPK requires
an XT with a clock speed 8 Mhz. I hope this information helps you get going on AX-25
packet.

73 Andy, VK3CAH




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From: [e-mail] (Grzegorz Mielcarek)
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Subject: GMSK Data radio modem 28K fast ????
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Hi,

is there anybody who knows something about GMSK radio modem 28K fast (designed
with Digital Cellural Phone chips espesially for packet radio). I have read
about it
in http://www.stack.serpukhov.su/~victor/hamradio/packet/vfast288.html.
There is a e-mail to GMSK Data Products, but nobody answer !!!!

Vy 73

-Grzegorz



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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:20 1995
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Subject: Help with shareware for PK232MBX version 7.0
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Hello Everyone:

I have pk232MBX which I bought few days back and I have kenwood TS450s
radio.  I would like to try shareware for multimode digital
communication. Will someone suggest good shareware for pk232MBX.
I would appreciate your help.

thanks..
73
Dinakar KG8OE
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Noel Newton)
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Subject: Help with shareware for PK232MBX verson 7.0no
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Sure....

Use paKet-6 an Aussi paket program I have been using for a couple years.
It's great.  It's available on any ham BBS.

Noel



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robin Arna)
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Subject: HF Forwarding paths
Date: 26 Aug 1995 08:22:40 -0400
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Hello packeteers,

Packet operators in south Florida should have learned a lesson a year ago
when the only HF-forwarding packet BBS in the area took a direct lightning
hit.

In an area so prone to storms, and sitting right in the path of
hurricanes, you'd think there'd be more than just one HF-forwarding BBS in
the area, wouldn't you?  You'd think that after the catastrophe of last
summer, and looking at the parade of tropical storms marching across the
Atlantic towards the area this week, that local sysops and node-ops would
be agreeing upon a few alternative HF-forwarding paths, wouldn't you?

Nope.  It's profoundly stupid, but there remains only ONE HF-forwarding
plan for the area.  If the N4HHP BBS is taken out again by lightning,
wind, or whatever, messages into and out of south Florida will once again
be lost or delayed.

Why?  Because N4HHP likes being the center of the ham radio universe in
Broward county, Florida.  Even when it doesn't make any sense, he is able
to get others to do as he wants.  It's like he's running his own little
cult in Broward.  President of a ham club and doubling as RACES officer
(which he uses to promote his club), he has more than his share of control
over policies that affect the area.  A certifiable megalomaniac driven by
an adolescent need to be the center of attention, he will allow no other
HF-forwarding path for the area.

Lots of good folks in south Florida know this doesn't make any sense, but
most are not on packet, or have given up on the area in the face of the
growing "cult" of personal followers that pander to N4HHP's ego.

So when the next hurricane threatens, and packet users try to help, the
mistakes of last summer could multiply into a disaterous boondoggle,
making Broward county "a black hole" for emergency traffic once again,
just as happenned during the Andrew emergency and again last summer.

Good luck, south Florida!

-Robin Arnaud,
 KD4ELI
 former resident of south Florida and victim of the local madness


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:22 1995
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George Poulson <[e-mail]> wrote:


>I give up! .. or should that read "I have given up!"

Maybe we could get the FCC (or whatever in your country) to open up a
couple of 'experimenters' bands. You know, some band(s) where guys
that have a technical interest in radio and various communication
methods could get on and share ideas and test new concepts and
designs... Nah, they'd never go for it...

-be




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[e-mail] (Steve Sampson) wrote:

>I wasn't advocating just buying one.  Only that while we stagnate at 1.2 kbps
>and those silly BBS programs (xxxNOS, MSYS, etc), the world is passing us
>by.  Personally, I've given up on packet radio.  Even if there was an
>affordable microwave link, the Hams would never use it.  You see, it must be
>on 2 meters before they'll even use it.  That and a C-64...
>
This MIGHT be a tad overstated....  But not much. We put up a 9.6K
full duplex machine here in Ct over a year ago, (hardly the cutting
edge of the technology) So far except for the 4 or 5 guys that helped
set it up and get it going there has been ONE new user. The common
complaint? 9.6K is too difficult to setup and requires some investment
and modification of equipment. A poor testimony to the technical
abilities of the hams in our area. Most of 'em seem to be totally
satisfied running 3:1 retry rate, 1200 baud on simplex channels and
accessing the bbses. Is it ignorance or apathy?

-be




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Brian Ellsworth ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson) wrote:

: >Personally, I've given up on packet radio.  Even if there was an
: >affordable microwave link, the Hams would never use it.

:                               A poor testimony to the technical
: abilities of the hams in our area. Most of 'em seem to be totally
: satisfied running 3:1 retry rate, 1200 baud on simplex channels and
: accessing the bbses. Is it ignorance or apathy?


Well if it's any consolation, things are just the same, if not worse, over
here in the UK; I have just given up running my BBS here (TCP/IP) having
kept it going for a couple of years with fewer regular users than it takes
the fingers of one hand to count! I built a 9600 baud TNC, converted the
radio, and had not a single user come on.. in the end I swapped the 9k6 gear
for a SCSI tape streamer!

At the same time the local "regular" BBS is swamped with users on 2 metres
downloading enormous .GIF files of their sports cars, pets, etc.. at 1200
baud on a congested channel.

I give up! .. or should that read "I have given up!"

73 ..
--
George Poulson  G7LOB
[e-mail]


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In  <[e-mail]>,(Brian Ellsworth) said:

>>> The common complaint? 9.6K is too difficult to setup and requires some
>>> investment and modification of equipment.

Well, I have to somewhat echo that sentiment. I'm in the process, albeit
slowly, of bringing a KPC-9612 on line. I haven't invested much time in
it since I'll have to use my FT736-R initially until I can get some
dedicated gear for packet. But, a couple of the stumbling blocks that I
learned in WM5K's talk at the NE Division ARRL Convention up here in July
is that you need to adjust the levels carefully to get the right deviation.

I suspect that's true, especially on a busy 2M channel. However, I don't
have $2-3K for a Service Monitor and/or spectrum analyzer to make the
right tweaks. Although the Kantronics documentation is very thorough,
there still appears to be room for error, and those errors can affect a
lot of other people aside from the user. Basically, the unmodulated
center frequency has to be dead-nuts on, and the deviation has to be
set to ensure that the spectrum at 9600 is shaped correctly and fits in
the 20 kHz channel (ideally) so that the reciever see what it's supposed to.
(And, of course, this assumes that the rig can run at 9600 - mine will,
but others will be justifiably nervous about certain modifications if
they can't see what the effects are.) Given the right test equipment, it's
probably very easy to do right.


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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Atkinson)
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Subject: Re: IP Network Links at 5.7 Mbps
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Steve Sampson ([e-mail]) wrote:
:
: I wasn't advocating just buying one.  Only that while we stagnate at 1.2 kbps
: and those silly BBS programs (xxxNOS, MSYS, etc), the world is passing us
: by.  Personally, I've given up on packet radio.  Even if there was an
: affordable microwave link, the Hams would never use it.  You see, it must be
: on 2 meters before they'll even use it.  That and a C-64...

Which is why I found that the best way to actually get something done is
not necessarily to work with everyone else but to find a small group of
people with a common interest and just put it up for yourselves. If others
would like to use what you have, then let them. If you went and put up a
microwave network around town and it was built by a small closed group
of people, and if there was a 9600 network around town built by a large
group of people all working together (the best they could do is 9600),
and then you stated that if anybody wanted to "hitch a ride" on your network
you'll probably find that a lot of people won't want to use yours because
of various reasons...  It's something foreign to them (they are used to
2m/220/440 at common speeds),  it's not built by "their group", it actually
works and they have nothing to complain about, and probably other various
reasons.

I quit trying to work with everyone since years of experience has shown
that it always slows down progress when too many people get involved. I
have a few friends that I do experimenting with now and we can do anything
we want anytime we want and not have problems anymore. If you want to put
up a decent packet system just figure out what you want to do with it,
find some friends with the same interest, and put it up for yourselves
and use it.  Feel free to offer it to others, but don't push it on them
and try to get them to use it. And it nobody else wants to use it because
it looks strange to them,  so what,  more bandwidth for you.

Ron



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bernie Doehner)
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Subject: Re: IP Network Links at 5.7 Mbps
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Brian Ellsworth ([e-mail]) wrote:
: George Poulson <[e-mail]> wrote:


: >I give up! .. or should that read "I have given up!"

: Maybe we could get the FCC (or whatever in your country) to open up a
: couple of 'experimenters' bands. You know, some band(s) where guys
: that have a technical interest in radio and various communication
: methods could get on and share ideas and test new concepts and
: designs... Nah, they'd never go for it...

We already have that in the US! Part 15 bands at 160-190 Khz (yuk!),
some frequencies at 46 and 49 Mhz (not so much yuk, but really low
power), 902-928 Mhz. (up to 1W out with spread spectrum - this is the
ideal experimenter's band - too bad it's not a bit further down in
frequency, though), and a 2 microwave bands.

Bernie nu1s


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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:

>George Poulson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
>>I give up! .. or should that read "I have given up!"
>
>Maybe we could get the FCC (or whatever in your country) to open up a
>couple of 'experimenters' bands. You know, some band(s) where guys
>that have a technical interest in radio and various communication
>methods could get on and share ideas and test new concepts and
>designs... Nah, they'd never go for it...
>
>-be

   There already is an service in existence here in the USA like you
describe above that was setup by the FCC years ago.  Its called Part 5,
the Experimental Service.  By filling out an application and paying a
small fee, you can get a license from the FCC to do experimentation just
about anywhere in the RF spectrum.  Check it out.

-- Dewayne

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Is there a new verison of JvFax (8.0)?
I see talk about it but could not find it.
And if there is a new verison, what is new?
--
Mike Cotts - KB8SSH
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:29 1995
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Whats the best source, setup method, and what do I have to have in
hardware to run it. I'm also going to setup a 2m packet rig with APRS,
so suggestions on that would also be appreciated. I already have the
Jpole setup for voice on the bike, a 'dale H400, but if someone has a
bright idea for packet ops for 2m on 2 wheels I'd appreciate all
suggestions. Local area of operation will be in OKC, if that is a
factor for APRS.
TIA
Jake, who does'nt believe he has EVER had such a combination of
crossposts...
and the Thought of the Moment(TM) is...
" A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects" Lazarus Long


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Crossett)
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Subject: Re: Looking for info on 2Mbps 10 GHz links
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] ("Kevin Hodges") writes:
>From: [e-mail] ("Kevin Hodges")
>Subject: Looking for info on 2Mbps 10 GHz links
>Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 17:06:24 GMT

>Hi I'm looking for info on N6GN's 2Mbps 10Ghz link, I have all the RF
>side  ok but can't find any info on how to connect up to the computer,
>Basically I can't find any info on what type of card to use , Ethernet is
>to fast and Token ring runs at 4 or 16 Mbps. Any one know if there is a
>card that will run at 2Mbps

>Kevin Hodges
>G0CHI@GB7VRB.#38.GBR.EU



Maybe ARCNET ?


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In article <41cols$[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]> writes:
> Xref: grayfox rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc:4544
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sruhe.de!erb
> From: [e-mail] (Olaf Erb)
> Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
> Subject: Re: Looking for info on 2Mbps 10 GHz links
> Date: 22 Aug 1995 14:13:16 GMT
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> In article <41b1bf$[e-mail]>,
> Glenn Elmore <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >Take a look at the web page and click on the pointer to Ottawa. That will
> >get you to a PI card which can do 230 kbps as it sits and probably >600
Kbps
> >if you're willing to put in 20 MHz parts. Another alternative may be the
> >Gracilis cards.
>
> Unfortunately it can't do fullduplex operation, right? (PI2) I was very
> suprised when I read this..
>
> Is there info about this Gracilis cards somewhere on the net?
>
> 73,
> Olaf
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> !   [e-mail]  [e-mail]    !
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
Olaf,

I can mail you info on the Gracilis card if you email me your address.
Also do you have Henning's (DF9IC) new address. I have lost track of his
current location and address.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:32 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.intersource.com!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Freddie Freeloader)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Looking for Mfr of fire/explosion detectors that transmit by radio
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:08:12 GMT
Organization: InterSource, Bloomington, IN
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Scenario:
 A business currently has in place approximatley 350 fire dectector
stations that transmit on a frequency back to a central location.
They are old (tubes are still used!).  They have self diagnostics and
transmit two (2) seperate type codes/frequencies.  One is in the event
of fire another is a noticification of an abnormality (i.e. broken
wire/failed self-diagnostics).  They transmit an identifier also so
the location is known.  This transmission in turn lights up a red
light for a fire or a yellow light for a diagnostic problem.

Is anyone aware of a company that sales this type of equipment?
Are books available on the design of this type system?
etc...etc..etc...

What questions am I not asking that's needed to be known? (outside of
frequency)

Thanks in advance.

Richard M Jackson
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
=================================




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:34 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!mv!wd1v.mv.com!user
From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Mac TCP/IP + Docs
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Sender: [e-mail] (System Administrator)
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 21:56:16 GMT
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    Free - Latest Release of Macintosh TCP/IP software for Amateur Radio

version NET_Mac2.3.54

For those who don't know NET/Mac...   NET/Mac is the application that
supports TCP/IP over packet-radio, which means, that hamradio operators
can use NET/Mac for their wireless TCP/IP network...

In this version of NET/Mac the following mods/features were implemented:

- 'netmacicons' now also defines the icontype of 'source'-files
- <hostname>.<domainname> is now the same as <hostname>
- Added a mailfile-size-limit to the popmail command
- Added command 'domainname'
- Some cosmetic mods for netmacicons
- NET/Mac does NOT support the new Buckmaster CD-ROM's HAMCALL
  database yet... I am trying to convince Buckmaster that I need
  the new data-encryption-method, but as of yet they are not ready
  to release a description of the encoding-algorithm...
  The old CD-ROM's remain fully supported...

This version obsoletes all versions of info-mac/comm/radio-net-mac in
the Sumex-Aim.stanford.edu (and it's mirror-) archives.

The new NET/Mac has (hopefully) been uploaded to:

 - oak.oakland.edu, to the directory /pub/hamradio/mac/digital
 - ftp.ucsd.edu, to directory /hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming.
   If it's not there (anymore), then look at /hamradio/packet/tcpip/mac.
 - hamster.business.uwo.ca, to directory /pub/amsoft


NET/Mac includes interactive HELP if you are just starting out. I also include
a TCP.FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) that even includes names and addresses
of regional gurus and a "by the numbers" list of what you do to get
operational.

Send me (1) one formatted disk and a *self addressed and *stamped disk mailer
marked TCP/IP... 800k or 1.4 Meg disks are OK but they MUST be formatted.


\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
John D. Seney, WD1V                Internet:      [e-mail]
144 Pepperidge Drive        America On Line:        [e-mail]
Manchester, NH 03103-6150         AX.25 Pkt: [e-mail]
(H) 603-668-1096                   Ampernet:    [e-mail]
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
LeCroy Sales Engineering -  Maine, New Hampshire, and Northeastern
                            Massachusetts
(O) 800-553-2769      (F) 603-627-1623    (P) 800-SKYPAGE #5956779

   All opinions are my own, including Digital Storage Scope.FAQ

 To obtain the latest copy automatically, simply send me an EMAIL
       with "subscribe scope.faq" in the subject field.
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jay J. Chichon)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: N2FAM, Dave Skarbowski
Date: 27 Aug 1995 13:11:06 -0400
Organization: The Pipeline
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Hi Dave, I resent mail to you using the new address
you gave me. Did you receive it? News update:
I have the 940 bottom cover off! Boy your right.....
even difficult to get a probe tip to anywhere. I measured the turnaround
delay again.....
For Amtor it is 32 ms.
For Pactor it is 98 ms! Quite a difference!
Please let me know when you receive this and other
E-Mail I sent you. 73 de Jay

E-Mail address: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:35 1995
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From: Marshall Craw <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: NEW HAM RADIO REMOTE CONTROL PRODUCT OFFERED
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 18:37:01 -0700
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc.
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   I am pleased to announce a new product offered by Positive Time Systems
   called the RCS-I.  This is a radio controller that connects to any VHF/UHF
   transceiver and can issue x-10 commands. (X-10 is a power line standard
   for controlling devices throughout a building. Sears, Radio Shack, and
   others offer these compatible units)
    The unit also has an alarm input, a listen feature, a short voicmail box,
   and responds to all commands in a pleasant female voice. The system IDs
   with your recorded voice and call sign.  This description doesn't do the
   product justice, so please check out the new homepage at :

                   http://www.halcyon.com/pos.time.sys/top

   or you may email us with you address so that we can promptly send you
   our brochure and newsletter.

   NOTE: This product is intended for US voltages of 120 / 220 VAC.  Another
   version is offered to support other international power standards.

   FLASH! NEW FEATURE!  The RCS-I has a new feature called Secure Access
   Mode(SAM).  When enabled, the access code changes dozens of times per
   hour, making it virtually impossible to hack into.

   This Product will work on other radio services like GMRS. Marine and
   Business bands!

   Thank You,


Marshall Craw   <[e-mail]>
Positive Time Systems [phone]
470 E North Bend Way, Suite 115
North Bend, WA  98045



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:36 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.zeitgeist.net!punchdown.zocalo.com!usenet
From: Jeffrey Pawlan <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: NEW HAM RADIO REMOTE CONTROL PRODUCT OFFERED
Date: 25 Aug 1995 19:12:17 GMT
Organization: Zocalo Engineering - Berkeley, California, USA
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So you, too, can flush your toilet by remote control while sitting in rush-hour
traffic!



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:36 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!usenet
From: [e-mail] (John P. O'Neil)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Packet Software for Atari ST & PK232MBX?
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 01:40:23 -0400 (EDT)
Organization: InfiNet
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I'm looking for software to run my AEA PK232MBX with my Atari ST520
system. I've checked most of the Atari FTP sites and a lot of the
packet sites without luck. Any suggestions?
Please respond by email if possible. :-)

Thanks!
John O'Neil
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:38 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!metro.atlanta.com!nntp.atlanta.com!news
From: [e-mail] (kb8rjy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: QSL cards
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 20:28:49 GMT
Organization: Marquette Senior High School
Lines: 77
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Check this out - QSL cards!



With your own custom graphics, and text...



only $5.95 for 50!...



Custom design your cards with up to 80 Characters of text, and Your
own scanned
graphic / or antenna graphic.



Just fill out the following form, and send with total (check or money
order) to:
Shaun Qualheim, KB8RJY

QSL cards

Dept. BBS

224 Cherry Creek Road

Marquette, MI 49855



(Print, and cut here:)

________________________________________________________________________________
Order Form: QSL Cards

________________________________________________________________________________
Front Text:
____________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
(up to 80 characters on front) - back will have standard QSL reply
fields.
Is a graphic/photo to be scanned included? (yes/no) ____

Do you wish to have the antenna included on your qsl card instead?
(yes/no) ____
Number of sets: (50 in a set, $5.95 a set)     ____ times $5.95 = ____

Plus Shipping and handling: ($1.50 per set)    ____ times $5.95 = ____

Plus Scanning fee ($1.00)                                         ____



                                TOTAL (sets + s & h + scan fee)
=____

________________________________________________________________________________
(cut here)





Thank You

Shaun Qualheim, kb8rjy

Internet: [e-mail]









From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:40 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!metro.atlanta.com!nntp.atlanta.com!news
From: [e-mail] (kb8rjy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: QSL cards - qslad.txt (1/1)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 19:25:06 GMT
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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:40 1995
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From: mike keane <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: radio + internet?
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 12:52:18 +0100
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Hope this is the correct group!
I m seeking advice for a friend, I know the internet, he knows amatur
radio. I know there are radio BB's. BUT are there means of gaining
access to the internet using amatur radio. He is based in south england
hes got a big ariel and lots of interesting looking boxes (I know
NOTHING about amatur radio,as you probably have guessed) He has a
license ? hes got no voicebox so cant speak so he uses Bardot?
 I hope this is making sense to someone. anyway if anybody has details
or knows where to look for info then PLEASE Email me as I have no
interest in this group.Thanking you in advance. MIKE

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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:42 1995
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 11:58:00 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Pete Huber)
Subject: RTTY DX Notes, 8/25/95
Message-ID: <NOMSGID_1=3A109=[e-mail]>
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X-Gateway: FIDOGATE 3.9.3

RTDX0825 RTTY DX
VK2SG RTTY DX NOTES (NR.851) FOR WEEKENDING 25 AUG 95 (BID RTDX0825)

According to a widely disseminated report by Paul, NA5N,
at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory at Socorro, NM
the next Solar Cycle began on August 12, 1995 when the Big
Bear Solar Observatory operated by Cal Tech, observed a
sunspot at 21 deg. north latitude, with a magnetic polarity
opposite from all sunspots observed since 1984. This
latitudinal position, and polarity difference satisfy two
astronomical criteria for the end of one cycle and the start
of a new one. This is a bit ahead of most forecasts. Paul
opines that improved HF propagation could be evident as early
as next spring or summer, depending upon the rate of increase
in solar activity. Some experts are disputing the conclusion
that the new cycle has started. KYFC.

Our information this week comes from DJ3IW and the DB0SPC
Central Europe Cluster, I5FLN and the IK5PWJ Packetcluster,
JF1MGI/5R8EU, WA6HHQ, WB2CJL, W5KSI, ZS5S, and the NJ0M Node
of the Minnesota DX Packetcluster Network. Thanks to all.

Bandpass:
Friday 18
0029-14083 CO3JE
0814-14084 GD4EBA
1124-14084 UX2FXX
1220-14072 A41KB
1241-14075 ZC4DF
2117-14087 XE3ARV
2119-14085 UA4LCQ
2208-14070 TU5DR Pactor
2347-14085 RK9CWA
2349-14083 3V8BB

Saturday 19
0026-14092 HP1KZ
0030-14089 8P6AW
0031-14083 XE1CI
0034-14096 CE8SFG
0036-14095 VP8CKN
0037-14083 KP2N
0043-14083 HK1LAQ
0046-7037  PJ2MI
0050-14087 XE3ARV
0105-14074 VE8RCS
0127-3582  SV2BFN
1250-14079 LU8VCC
1614-14083 J28JJ
1616-14082 OH3MMF
1637-14094 XE1BEF
1649-14087 SM5FUG
1831-21088 CE8SFG
1833-21087 CX7BF
1923-14081 PJ2MI
1925-14082 PT2BW
1935-14088 9A6D
2034-14087 4X6UO
2041-14079 8P6AW

Sunday 20
0034-14087 KP4VP
0111-14085 XE1BEF
1014-28086 TA2GC
1026-21084 C91A
1027-21084 TA2GC
1041-21079 US9Q
1127-14091 KP2N
1135-14087 PJ2MI
1223-14087 RK9CWA
1224-14089 9A6D
1225-14077 HC5K
1225-14098 UA4LCQ
1229-14085 UY5AO
1230-14086 OK1DX
1236-14080 CX7BF
1253-14070 8P6AW
1304-14088 OL1A
1305-14084 KP4VP
1320-14082 OH2GI
1410-14083 3W5FM
1415-14102 JT1CS
1422-14098 JT1CS
1446-14094 JH1BIH
1601-21085 CX7BF
1617-14086 LA7AJ
2225-14084 AZ7FAF

MONDAY 21
0028-14087 UX4UA
1921-14085 SV8CS
2245-14085 HP1DGX
2247-14083 EA8RA
2259-14087 8S3BG QSL via SM3CER
2300-14068 CO2HQ Pactor FEC

TUESDAY 22
0052-14086 LU7OKU
1735-14083 ZS6PJS
1754-14080 5N3ALE Pactor
1918-14086 9A17A Special Event
2116-14088 9G1BS
2157-14070 HK3BZO Pactor fEC
2215-14086 EA5CFN
2325-14083 ZP6EM
2326-14081 SV1BSX

WEDNESDAY 23
1910-14086 IS0/I1JCK QRP
2203-`14084 XE3ARV
2216-14086 LU1CFU

THURSDAY 24
0010-14069 P43JB Pactor

Notes of Interest:

The final plans for the Easter Island and Salas y Gomez
DXpedition are in place. XR0Y on EI will be QRV 5-21 Sept.
XR0Z on SyG will be QRV 7-11 Sept. This is an all band,
all mode venture. RTTY frequencies are as follows:
XR0Y - 3680, 7080, 10108, 14080, 18102, 21080, 28180.
XR0Z - 3590, 7090, 10104, 14090, 18109, 21090, 28190.
Real signal reports are requested. This expedition will
experiment using state-of-the-art digital technology
to enhance communications from remote sites. QSL Manager
is WA3HUP.

Due to professional commitments in Japan, the trip to
Madagascar by Shun, JF1MGI/5R8EU, originally scheduled
for August/September, will take place in October or
November. Watch these Notes for updated information.

The VK2SG RTTY DX Notes are also available on Internet
via Telnet or FTP at  ab6z.ampr.org  and reflectors
[e-mail]  and  [e-mail]  See also the
OH2BUA WebCluster at URL http://www.clinet.fi/~jukka/webcluster.
html

TO ALL THOSE ATTENDING THE NEW ORLEANS DX CONVENTION THIS
WEEKEND...H A V E  F U N !!!!

For next week's bulletin send your bandpass and notes of
interest to Luciano, I5FLN at ZS5S.ZAF.AF

73 es Good Hunting de Jules W2JGR at W5KSI.#NOLA.LA.USA.NOAM
Internet: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:43 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Lee Asher)
Subject: Siemens S3 Digital Phone Ringer Control
Sender: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 09:32:57 GMT
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Can anyone tell me how the RINGER Volume of this phone may be increased.
I have set this from the options menu to flat out but it is still far from
loud enough.

Any help appreciated, even siemens email address would help.

         Lee Asher, QUEENSLAND CD PUBLISHING
         10 COOMB STREET, 17 MILE ROCKS, QUEENSLAND, AUSTRALIA, 4073.
         PH. 61-07-3755688
         E-Mail:  [e-mail]
         Packet Radio:  VK4CXX @ VK4CXX.BNE.QLD.AUS.OC




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tommy Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: tcpip on a baycom?
Date: 24 Aug 1995 23:05:17 -0400
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
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Message-ID: <41jeld$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: csgrad.cs.vt.edu

Hello...
I just got a baycom modem, and have been playing with it on my toy Dos box.
Now, I'm trying to attach it to my HP running NetBSD.  After much searching,
I found a single reference to a program written by Pawel Jalocha (SP9VRC)
([e-mail]) which is aparently a packet driver so KA9Q
and friends can talk to a baycom modem through the FTP packet driver
interface.  Then I could put the baycom modem on a dos box with either an
ethernet board or a slip line to the unix box, and be happy (though this
is a bit of overkill...).  The only problem is that I can not find this
program.  The filename is supposed to be AX25DRV.ZIP, and I have tried
every archie-type thing I could find, but no dice.  Does anyone know
where to find this?  Or perhaps a more elegant solution to putting a
baycom on a unix box?

-Tommy    <KE4ILZ>    (Professional Fanatic Flaming Diehard Unix Bigot)
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:45 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.icon.net!win95.n5owk.ampr.org!ssampson
From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: tcpip on a baycom?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:14:47
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X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A]

In article <41jeld$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tommy Johnson) writes:
>Hello...
>I just got a baycom modem,

Well we can sympathize...  :-)

> and have been playing with it on my toy Dos box.
>Now, I'm trying to attach it to my HP running NetBSD.  After much searching,
>I found a single reference to a program written by Pawel Jalocha (SP9VRC)
>([e-mail]) which is aparently a packet driver so KA9Q
>and friends can talk to a baycom modem through the FTP packet driver
>interface. Then I could put the baycom modem on a dos box with either an
>ethernet board or a slip line to the unix box, and be happy (though this
>is a bit of overkill...).  The only problem is that I can not find this
>program.  The filename is supposed to be AX25DRV.ZIP,

Anything concerning tcp/ip and packet is usually someplace on:

ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/packet/tcpip

Also check the incoming directory for new stuff.  The sysadm usually cleans
out the incoming once a year, so it's pretty full with the 12,000 TNOS posts
the last year.

> Or perhaps a more elegant solution to putting a baycom on a unix box?

Hell no.

P.S. tcp/ip really sucks at 1.2 kbps, but it can be done.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:45 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Jay O'Brien - W6GO)
Subject: Terminal program for BPQ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
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I'm using G8BPQ code in a stand-alone computer to monitor the data which
flows between TNCs in an X1J Node stack.  Using "PAC4" I can connect and
monitor, and also save data to a file.  It works fine as far as it goes.

I would like a terminal program with features like ProComm, which would
allow me to send files, scroll back through the display buffer, shell to
DOS, etc.

Any suggestions will be appreciated!

73, Jay
    [e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (JOHN  MXL)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: TPK and DRSI?
Date: 25 Aug 1995 13:07:15 -0400
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NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com

I just picked up a DRSI Type I card and would like to know if anyone has
set one up on TPK successfully.

What driver(s) are needed, and are they available on the 'net?

Any help you can provide will be appreciated.

TIA


John
[e-mail]
KD6MXL@KM6PX.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Walton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Ultimate Packet Station
Date: 25 Aug 95 01:19:02 GMT
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I am fairly new to packet radio.  I currently use an ICOM IC-u2AT and
the BAYCOM packet modem with my IBM PS/2.  I've never been able to get
into the local node with much regularity.  Even the slightest frequency
congestion will keep me out.  I am in a townhouse development with ext
antenna restrictions.  How about some help?  "If you were me ..." how
would you set up your station?  I'd appreciate your help & feedback.
Thanks & 73's - N4RMF / 9M2ZZ / YL/N4RMF / AFA8FX      -- Kevin

Kevin L. Walton, Culpeper, Virginia
AX.25:     N4RMF @ KD4MVG.VA.USA.NA
Internet: [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Ultimate Packet Station
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 15:55:14 GMT
Lines: 20

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kevin Walton) writes:
>
>I am fairly new to packet radio.  I currently use an ICOM IC-u2AT and
>the BAYCOM packet modem with my IBM PS/2.  I've never been able to get
>into the local node with much regularity.  Even the slightest frequency
>congestion will keep me out.  I am in a townhouse development with ext
>antenna restrictions.  How about some help?  "If you were me ..." how
>would you set up your station?  I'd appreciate your help & feedback.
>Thanks & 73's - N4RMF / 9M2ZZ / YL/N4RMF / AFA8FX      -- Kevin

To be blunt, Kevin, a real radio would help. Since you're antenna
restricted, you need more watts to compensate.

Gary

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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Ultimate Packet Station
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:20:19
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kevin Walton) writes:
>I am fairly new to packet radio.  I currently use an ICOM IC-u2AT and
>the BAYCOM packet modem with my IBM PS/2.  I've never been able to get
>into the local node with much regularity.  Even the slightest frequency
>congestion will keep me out.  I am in a townhouse development with ext
>antenna restrictions.  How about some help?  "If you were me ..." how
>would you set up your station?  I'd appreciate your help & feedback.

Find a friend you can point a beam at (UHF is pretty small and can be hidden)
and have him but a UHF/VHF node up for you.  Together you can learn a lot
about how these switches work/don't work, and enjoy the pastime.  Make it
9600 with a couple of TEKK radios.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:49 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!warp.cris.com!voyager.cris.com!Mnbc
From: [e-mail] (Dkhg Dhgfd)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: WHAT IS THE BEST TNC?
Date: 26 Aug 1995 17:19:05 GMT
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WHAT IS THE BEST TNC THAT I CAN GET FOR MY MONEY? ($300-$400) :)
SOMEONE TOLD ME THAT THE KANTRONICS ARE THE BESTS! ITS THAT TRUE?
I ALSO LIKE THE PK900! I AM LOOKING FOR A MULTIMODE TNC FOR VHF
THAT CAN AT LEAST RUN AT 9600! WICH IS THE BEST?


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 95, NAHH! OS/2 YE
Date: 24 Aug 1995 18:18:14 GMT
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In article <41g7p8$[e-mail]>,
Jay Maynard <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <5320@pa2aga-1>, Adam van Gaalen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Forget about Windows NT and Win95 and OS/2 and get a Macintosh!
>
>Why spend too much money on an underpowered machine that forces you to use a
>GUI?

It scares the living daylights outta me when I agree with Maynard....

;-)


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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:50 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!gatech!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Windows 95, NAHH! OS/2 YE
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <41g7p8$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <5320@pa2aga-1>, Adam van Gaalen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Forget about Windows NT and Win95 and OS/2 and get a Macintosh!
>
>Why spend too much money on an underpowered machine that forces you to use a
>GUI?

Now, now, Jay, I've heard there's a way to get a command line prompt
on the Etch-A-Sketch.

Gary

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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:51 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cc.iu.net!news
From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 95, NAHH! OS/2 YE
Date: 26 Aug 1995 11:52:31 GMT
Organization: Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
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Message-ID: <41n1tv$[e-mail]>
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X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09

In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>Now, now, Jay, I've heard there's a way to get a command line prompt
>on the Etch-A-Sketch.

it must be true since it was in Dilbert.  don't forget to hold it upside down
and shake it when it locks up...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gerald Forthuber)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: WNOS: Timeout errno 9???
Date: 25 Aug 1995 05:40:13 GMT
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Hi,
I am using W-NOS.950216.dama_slave (Feb 16 1995) now for a short while and
I have setup all the neccessary files to be able to establish sessions to
a "NOS-ham" in my neiborghood.

Now I got some TCP/IP-addresses from countries at the border of Austria,
like HB9 and DL and I want to try to get in contact with them via ftp or
telnet.

But I have no success with establishing a IP-link to this stations because
after a short while my server brings up the following messages:

Telnet session failed: Timeout errno 9

and terminates the session. - The interesting thing is that ax25 still
tries to establish a contact to this station. Normally I get a ax25-link
after a while and the server are exchanging informations but no
session will be opened to make this link accessable for me. (I found
this out by using the TRACE-window).

Any WNOS-wizard out there who can give me a hint - perhaps there is somewhere
a timer which can be modified????

any help apreciated, 73 de Gerald/OE1GOU/oe1gou.ampr.org
[44.143.1.24]

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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn T. Rutledge)
Subject: X-windows packet term?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (USENET News System)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 22:26:46 GMT
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I'd like to find one of these for Linux.  Anybody heard of such a beast?
It should have multiple windows for multiple conversations, understand how
to streamswitch on my KPC9612, have a nice toolbar, etc.

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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 27 16:55:53 1995
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From: Dave Skarbowski <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: X-windows packet term?
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[e-mail] (Shawn T. Rutledge) wrote:
>I'd like to find one of these for Linux.  Anybody heard of such a beast?
>It should have multiple windows for multiple conversations, understand how
>to streamswitch on my KPC9612, have a nice toolbar, etc.
>

I'm not sure what your looking for here.  I don't believe there's any
host mode software for any TNC for Linux available as of yet.  But the
Kernel AX25 kiss support works very well.  I'm pretty sure your TNC can
do kiss.

Dave, n2fam



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:30 1995
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In article <41t362$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> Hello all:
> I am just now getting back into 'packet' radio  experimenting (I currently
> operate a working node, but it has been steady state for about 4 years)  and
> while reading about all the new high speed stuff, I keep coming up with the
> same problems, I hope somebody can straighten me out on these points:
>
> Medium / high speed (>=19k2)
>   When I look at the math, it seems to me that with "standard lenght"
packets,
> the overhead delay can become a significant fraction of the total
transmission.

Overhead is the least of the problem: TXDelay can eat up quite a bit more.  Of
course, the amount of overhead depends upon the protocol (TCP/IP has lots, for
example, and ROSE has the least).  TXDelay depends upon the radios used.  The
Kantronics D4-10 is pretty good, as are the TEKK radios (only 2w tho...)
Converted commercial units can be awful.

> Even to the point where overhead exceeds certain packets.  If we were to have
> "super" packets of several standard frames muxed together transiting between
> each node, and active switching the overhead would drop back to reasonable
> percentages, assuming of course that the BER will suppport the packet lenght.
>
>
> Adaptive path qualities:
>   In our current network path qualities are manualy set, frequently with bad
> values, which can bog down the network.  Has anyone done some work on
adaptive
> route qualities where the soft/firm ware crunches the RTT vs RTR% and comes
up
> with a dynamic value?

Yes, in Germany the network uses software called FlexNET, written by Gunter
Jost DK7WJ.  The only parameter you (sysop) can set is TXDelay, and even that
is watched for excessive length by the software.  All the other parms adapt to
the current channel conditions, using quite ingenious algorithms.  FlexNET runs
primarily in the RMNC hardware, a 6809-based system, but also is available for
the PC.  It is modular, in that the main program uses channel drivers to
interact with whatever hardware you happen to have.  There's a paper about it
in the proceedings of this years DCC being held in Dallas.


>
> Adaptive packet lenghts?
>   Lets face it, when a path (maybe the only available one ) has a BER that
is
> say 1 err/500 bits there is no way that a 80 char line is going to get
through.
> most likely the retry is going to get clobbered also.  This would also apply
to
> my first item above.  Has any body developed a system where dynamic packet
> lenght control is used?

If your level 1 network is properly constructed, this is not a problem.
Dedicated point-to-point links are the rule.

>
> Automatic checking account debit :
>   Some way to get adequate funding for a network that works.

A network that works supports itself.  users see what works and what doesn't,
and support follows.

>
> Sorry about the above, but my node is 99.9% backbone traffic and 0.1% user
port
> traffic, and I have a hard time getting help to pay to keep it on the air.

The backbone traffic: who is sending it?  Are you spending your money to
support the BBS world?  Get some $upport from them!

>
> Have fun, stay safe  73
> Tom KA7UPD own/op "LYONS" KA7UPD-1
> --
> Thomas E Williams, Transmission Systems Engineer
> Network Services / Oregon State University
> [e-mail]  503.737.3822
> http://www.nero.net/neropeople/williamt

73,Don Rotolo N2IRZ



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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (GHorine)
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Subject: Re: AX.25 protocol help.
Date: 29 Aug 1995 00:38:45 -0400
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In article <41ta06$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(John Minger) writes:

>Subject:       Re: AX.25 protocol help.
>From:  [e-mail] (John Minger)
>Date:  28 Aug 1995 20:47:02 GMT
>
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>WISZNIEWSKI  SEBASTIAN <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> Hi all, thanx for reading this. I'd like to find out more about the
>>AX.25 protocol used for packet radio. Mainly I'm interested in how
>
>(deleted material)
>
>I recently located a document titled "AX.25 Amateur Packet-Radio
>Link-Layer Protocol".  It is version 2, October 1984, so there is
>undoubtedly a later version somewhere.  This one was one of the
>documents in a Macintosh archive named "radio-environment" which
>was on a local mirror site for sumex.aim at Stanford Univ.  Try
>www path: "ftp://mirror.apple.com/mirrors/Info-Mac.Archive/comm/"
>
>-73, John
>
>--
>_________________________________________________________________________
__
>John A Minger    KE6DTC          Opinions expressed are those of the
author
>Los Angeles, CA                  and not those of anyone or anything
else.
>
>

The October 1984, AX.25 Version 2.0 is the current version.  The world of
amatuer packet radio link-layor protocol has basically been frozen in time
since then.  A number of possible solutions have been proposed over the
years.  One of which was the A802, Metropolitan Area Network Protocol for
Amateur Packet Radio, advanced in 1988 at the ARRL Networking Conference
by Fred R. Goldstein, K1IO.  This protocol is a dirivative of the IEEE 802
committee family of LAN networking protocols, 802.3, Ethernet, 802.4,
Token Bus, and 802.5, Token Ring.  In 1993, Phil Karn, KA9Q, the creator
of NET/NOS TCP/IP software for ham radio, proposed a FEC/ARQ hybrid
replacement for the link-layer.  Hopefully we'll find something soon that
can deal with noisy, busy channels and still get the data through.

Greg Horine
N9PBD
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Emanuel Borsboom)
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Subject: Re: Baycom for Linux?
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[e-mail] wrote:
: I have one of those BayCom modems, and I was wondering if anyone has
: implemented support for these little guys in linux? Any directions and or
: sites would be appreciated.

Yah, I'd be interested in this too.  I tried running the L2 driver under
dosemu and it doesn't work at all (it doesn't work under Win95 either).
Probably has something to do with that fact that it wants 1000 timer
interrupts per second (why?).

---
Emanuel Borsboom
 internet: [e-mail]
   packet: VE7NUL@VE7DIE.#SVI.BC.CAN.NOAM



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:34 1995
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This is a stupid idea.  Even though it would be cheap in money, it is expensive
in computer.  (i.e., it sucks the whole CPU which is fine in DOS).

>>Yah, I'd be interested in this too.  I tried running the L2 driver under
>>dosemu and it doesn't work at all (it doesn't work under Win95 either).
>>Probably has something to do with that fact that it wants 1000 timer
>>interrupts per second (why?).

Hmmm, let's see. The Baycom simulates a serial port using software.  A serial
port is fed 1 byte (8 bits) and it performs the translation to a bit stream.
Now, simulate that wonderful serial chip in software, and you must send out
1200 bits per second.  Hmmm, I wonder what the CPU will be doing while this
process is taking place?

This is a wonderful idea for a DOS box that sits in the corner, but a stupid
idea for a multitasking, multiuser OS.  Hell, some consider context switching
at 100 times a second as too much overhead...

--
Steve




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:35 1995
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In article <41ske9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Emanuel Borsboom) wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
> : I have one of those BayCom modems, and I was wondering if anyone has
> : implemented support for these little guys in linux? Any directions and or
> : sites would be appreciated.
>
> Yah, I'd be interested in this too.  I tried running the L2 driver under
> dosemu and it doesn't work at all (it doesn't work under Win95 either).
> Probably has something to do with that fact that it wants 1000 timer
> interrupts per second (why?).

Only 1000? Sorta hard to sample 1200 bits/sec with only 1000 samples. This
is the core of what is wrong with Baycom-style modems, they trade CPU time
for reduced hardware and as a result have to be much closer to the
hardware of your system. When the OS has other ideas about CPU
utilization, Baycom breaks.
--
David Kelly N4HHE,   [e-mail],    [e-mail]
===========================================================
The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its
capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system.


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Negaard (Oberon-))
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Subject: Re: Baycom for Linux?
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>>>>> "Jake" ==   <[e-mail]> writes:

Jake> I have one of those BayCom modems, and I was wondering if anyone
Jake> has implemented support for these little guys in linux? Any
Jake> directions and or sites would be appreciated.

I asked this question a month or two, and the end result of all the
information I got was that it isn't possible.  I began pursuing
alternatives, and I think the most cost-effective route would be to
get an SCC-based card like the OptoSCC.  If you had an OptoSCC, you
could probably use the Baycom modem.  I _think_ that all this would
require would be a current loop interface, and perhaps some _minor_
modifications to the modem.

Unfortunately, I'm having trouble obtaining an OptoSCC (the card I
think I'd like best).  I have the schematics, and I think I could
create trace artwork, but I can't find a source for the program for
the PAL required for address decoding, and while I _think_ that it
should be possible to substitute something else, I'm not quite up to
figuring it out.

Jake> Thanks.  Jake KB2IVA
--
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:38 1995
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Subject: CCTSS: what is it?
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Subject: CCTSS: what is it?

>>Anyone know about an identification technique using audio tones and
>>referred to as CCTSS?

Sub-audible tones are used to open squelch on receivers. Or repeaters.
You might want to think of them as "channels" on the same frequency - as
one frequency/repeater can have several CTCSS tones, enabling differenty
agencies/entities to access the machine.

                       S T A N D A R D   P.L.  T O N E S

   PL Freq   Code#   Yaesu#   Icom#        PL Freq   Code#   Yaesu#   Icom#
______________________________________________________________________________

    67.0      XY     01,34     01           118.8     2B       12      17
    69.3      WZ      ---      --           123.0     3Z       13      18
    71.9      XA     02,35     02           127.3     3A       14      19
    74.4      WA     36        03           131.8     3B       15      20
    77.0      XB     03,37     04           136.5     4Z       16      21
    79.7      SP     38        05           141.3     4A       17      22
    82.5      YZ     04,39     06           146.2     4B       18      23
    85.4      YA     40        07           151.4     5Z       19      24
    88.5      YB     05,41     08           156.7     5A       20      25
    91.5      ZZ     42        09           162.2     5B       21      26
    94.8      ZA     06        10           167.9     6Z       22      27
    97.4      ZB      ---      11           173.8     6A       23      28
   100.0      1Z     07        12           179.9     6B       24      29
   103.5      1A     08        13           186.2     7Z       25      30
   107.2      1B     09        14           192.8     7A       26      31
   110.9      2Z     10        15           203.5     M1       27      32
   114.8      2A     11        16
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:39 1995
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From: kevinc@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Kevin Cameron)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Digitized voice/data via mobile packet radio
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Hi there,

I am a hang glider pilot who dreams of someday making a record distance
flight.  One of the problems on a flight like this is maintaining contact
with ones chase crew.  Often, the road that the chase crew must drive
diverges quite a ways from the path that the pilot is flying.  Also, at
times the hang glider can outrun the chase car.  The result is that the
pilot and chase crew could find themselves separated by a large distance
with intervening hills/mountains.  The 2-meter radios that we carry are
often inadequate.  In order to maintain safety margins in remote areas,
the pilot must sometimes slow down or choose less than optimal routes.
Many a pilot has had to spend one or more nights in the desert after
losing track of his chase crew.

Another problem is determining the positions of both the glider and
car.  While I am planning on having a GPS receiver on both, it is
difficult to plot ones position on a map while driving a car and
worse while flying a hang glider.

I've come up with a somewhat grandiose scheme for solving these problems.
It's pretty complicated so I doubt that I will ever do it all.  I'm posting
it here in order to get some feedback from people who might have a lot more
knowledge about the radio side of things.

Here's the idea in simplified form:

Each station (the car and one or more hang gliders) has the following
major components:

    1)  2-meter FM transceiver (the ones we have now).
    2)  Long wavelength (10-meter?) CW transceiver.
    3)  GPS receiver.
    4)  Flat-panel display of reasonable size (4x4?).
    5)  A control module which runs the display, interfaces a
        speaker and mike, and encodes/decodes a digital signal
        to/from the transceiver.
    6)  Mongo battery to power everything (solar cells on the
        glider?).

Via some packet protocol, all gliders and the car keep each other updated with
their current positions.  In operation, the display is used primarily as a
moving map.  The positions of the hang glider(s) and the chase car are
constantly updated on the map.  As the glider/car moves, new maps are drawn
as needed.

When the 2-meter voice communication breaks down due to excessive distance
or obstacles, the operator would switch to sending voice communications via
the digital link.  The control module would digitize a voice message,
compress it, and send it out in packet form.

To my mind, using this system for voice has the following advantages:

    1)  The long wavelength will penetrate obstacles and refract
        around hills better than 2-meter.  This will allow for
        longer distances with a given amount of power.
    2)  Using CW modulation for packet communications will use power
        more efficiently than an FM rig.
    3)  By converting the voice message to digital form, the use of
        error checking and correction codes is possible.
    4)  At a given power level, one could achieve greater transmission
        distances by lowering the baud rate.
    5)  Fits in well when another digital data stream (gps coordinates)
        must be sent as well.

Possible problems that might arise with my scheme:
    1)  Legal problem with non-approved encoding on a HAM band.
    2)  A frequency that's clear at the starting point may interfere
        with another HAM operator as the gliders/car travels into a
        new area.
    3)  The size of a good 10-meter antenna may be too large for a hang
        glider (or car for that matter).

Anybody out there have some ideas on improving this scheme?  Are there
other fundamental problems that I've missed?

Thanks for your attention,

Kevin Cameron
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:40 1995
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Subject: Re: Digitized voice/data via mobile packet radio
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Why not just have the chase crew put a repeater in the car?




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:41 1995
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Subject: Re: Digitized voice/data via mobile packet radio
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PacComm makes a PicoPacket/GPS, which is a GPS reciever and a TNC in a 2
X 2.5 X 3.25 inch package (so the add claims). It runs for about $625.
Add a transmitter and you are set.

Aaron

* NOTE: No implied or expressed opinion is that of the Air Force *



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Matthew Richardson)
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Subject: DSP-12 Modem
Date: 29 Aug 1995 11:27:33 GMT
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Hi all have got a DSP-12 Modem and would really like a terminal program to
take full advantage of it and all its modes....
Wondering if anyone has or knows of a program somewhere that we can get hold
of to use...tnx fer any [e-mail]  VK7JUF @ VK7GL.#HBT.TAS.AUS.OC



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:43 1995
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EMDRC 1995 Balloon Launch No3.
============================

At 10AM on Saturday the 16th July 1995, the Eastern and Mountain Districts Radio
Club will be releasing a Helium Balloon from the Vermont South Shopping Centre
Car Park, Burwood Highway Vermont, Victoria, Australia.

The payload will be transmitting on 144.250MHz FM at a power level of
approximately 100 milliwatts The Balloon is expected to reach an altitude of
approximately 20KM before bursting. The payload should be able to be heard in
VK2, VK3, VK5 and VK7. The EMDRC encourages as many people as possible to record
the transmissions on tape or (preferably) by logging the packet data to disk. A
program will be distributed to analyse the data and concatenate results from
multiple sources.

Telemetry will be sent in both 1200 Baud Packet and Voice identifying itself as
VK3ER and will send the following information:

1) Flight Time
2) Altitude
3) Internal and External Temperature
4) Background Radiation Count
5) Global Position (see note)

The voice and data transmission will repeat approximately once every minute.
Data packets will be sent as UI frames, repeated four times for data redundancy.

When the payload returns to ground level the transmission power will increase to
approximately 2 watts for 5 seconds every 60 seconds. This will aid in recovery
of the payload once it reaches the ground. There is a $100 prize for the person
who recovers the payload. The global Positioning data is subject to the
availability of a GPS receiver before the launch. Although the interface has
been included, at this stage the GPS looks doubtful. We will need to rely on the
expertise of the "foxhunters" to track the location of the payload and its
recovery. We encourage anyone who feels the urge to hunt it. All you need is a
2m receiver, some sort of simple attenuator  (20 db steps up to 80 db
should suffice) and a simple vehicle mounted 3-element beam.

A Short presentation on the launch will be given at the next EMDRC Club Meeting,
Friday, 1st September at 8PM. The location of the meeting is the Willis Room,
City Of Whitehorse Civic Centre Maroondah Hwy, Nunawading. The meeting will
start at 8PM Sharp. The rest of the evening will be a presentation on Internet
by David Tilson, VK3UR.

All are welcome.

For more information, contact:
        Joe Magee: ([e-mail])
        David Williams: ([e-mail])
        Bryan Ackerly: ([e-mail])





From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Russell Gore)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Help with no-code survey..
Date: 29 Aug 1995 02:16:18 GMT
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Thanks for reading this, my name is Russell Gore and I am a student at
DeVry Institute of Technology in Phoenix.  Part of my technical
writing class is a survey, please complete the following survey and mail
it back to me at [e-mail]    thanks..

What class of license do you hold?
Do you support the idea of no-code on HF?  Why?


******************************************************
Please send answer for the two questions to [e-mail]


--
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Russell  Gore   WL7AG   ||    Internet:  [e-mail]
8902 N 19th Ave apt2031 ||    Packet:   [e-mail]
Phoenix, AZ  85021      ||    Compuserve: 72377,2075
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Student at DeVry Institute of Technology in Phoenix, Arizona



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:46 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!alfa02.medio.net!guysmiley.blarg.com!eskimo!news
From: [e-mail] (Ed Engel)
Subject: Re: JVFAX?
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Joerg Bauerfeld <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Dear George,
>I am a close friend of Eberhard Backeshoff, the JVFAX editor and
>would very much like to surprise him with his release 8 he never
>wrote. Could you please Email the EXE file in a compressed
>uuencoded format to me, I`d like to see this fake myself !

>73`s de Joerg, DL8EBM / N1VCA

Thanks, Joerg!  I've been periodically running searches for ver. 8 and
starting to get real irritated that I couldn't find it.

Ed Engel N7UQZ
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:46 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: JVFAX?
From: [e-mail] (Ibrahim Alshugair)
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Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <41qr50$ei1$[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 23:14:00 +0300
Organization: * Sahara BBS * Dammam,Saudi Arabia +(966)-3-833-2082 *
Lines: 18

Hi Jorge
How r u..


-> Message-ID: <41qr50$ei1$[e-mail]>
-> Newsgroup: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
-> Organization: Bauerfeld Communications
->
-> Dear George,
-> I am a close friend of Eberhard Backeshoff, the JVFAX editor and
-> would very much like to surprise him with his release 8 he never
-> wrote. Could you please Email the EXE file in a compressed
-> uuencoded format to me, I`d like to see this fake myself !
->
-> 73`s de Joerg, DL8EBM / N1VCA
from my side i,ll send u the Jvfax Ver 8.1 when i get it..
73's de Ibrahim
E-mail    [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mnr PJ Le Riche)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Looking for MA87127 Gunnplexers
Date: 29 Aug 1995 14:08:31 GMT
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Guido Sansoni)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: MFJ1278B
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 17:13:09 GMT
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Hallo Guys
Is there anybody who can tell me what is the last firmware for
mfj1278b rev. 9  with multilevel gray modem ?
I have eprom 3.6 but I'm quite sure it must be upgraded.
many tnx
                  Guido Sansoni ([e-mail])



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (CMSuss)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: MSYS1.18 to Jnos Forwarding
Date: 29 Aug 1995 14:46:52 -0400
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
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Hello all...
We are having some troubles trying to get a MSYS bbs to forward to a Jnos
site.  We are trying to forward all mail to @LNET to the Jnoser.  The MSYS
bbs
forwards correctly, but when the bull gets to the jnos site, it forwards
it right
back to the bbs.  We are guessing there is a problem with the BIDs or
maybe the
rewite files.  Any suggestions would be great.  Please reply directly to
[e-mail] or [e-mail].

Tia and 73,
Chris
N1UOC


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:50 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Bowman)
Subject: Nos  What Version
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With the many versions of Nos is there anyone who can recommend a version
to use based of ease of installation, good documentation and
functionality.

thanks



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: PK-12 double spaces
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A friend of mine obtained a PK-12, sans documentation, and is having
trouble with it double-spacing everything on transmit.  The local dealer
is less than helpful.  Can someone please tell me the command to turn
this off?

I've never seen the thing, but I get the impression that it isn't even
remotely TAPR compatible (like my own KPC).

--
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) | [e-mail] | VK2KFU @ VK2DAA.NSW.AUS.OC | PGP 2.6
Opinions expressed are mine. | D8 15 71 F9 26 C8 63 40  5E 63 5C 65 FC A0 22 99


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: PK-12 double spaces
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 18:20:39 -0600
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In article <41ujo5$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dave
Horsfall) wrote:

> A friend of mine obtained a PK-12, sans documentation, and is having
> trouble with it double-spacing everything on transmit.  The local dealer
> is less than helpful.  Can someone please tell me the command to turn
> this off?

Have him set "ILfpack ON" which should be the factory default. This tells
the PK-12 to ignore all Incoming Line feeds. Or he can set his terminal
program NOT to add LF after CR.

> I've never seen the thing, but I get the impression that it isn't even
> remotely TAPR compatible (like my own KPC).

Command set is close. I peeked inside a PK-12 once and it is not even
remotely similar to a TNC-2, neither is the KPC. In fact I almost bought a
PK-12 just because the PK-12 uses a Motorola 68HC11 rather than the Zilog
Z80 in the TNC-2. I do a lot of 68HC11 work, have an excellent C compiler
and Nohau emulator. Decided I didn't have was the time to make neat things
out of PK-12's.

73,
--
David Kelly N4HHE,   [e-mail],    [e-mail]
===========================================================
The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its
capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system.


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:53 1995
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Subject: Setting up a FBB BBS
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 02:32:11 EST
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Hello..I was wondering if there are any thing i would have to go through
to put a FBB packet BBS online in my area..for use as a carbon
server..anyone running a packet BBS or has experience, could you please
help me!

Many Thanks

Jim - KD6HWC
Founder of the CollegeNet
packet : KD6HWC @ WA6RDH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM
internet: [e-mail]
CollegeNet Info: [e-mail]
--
  Message Sent Via CyberVillage BBS!  [phone]  Running Worldgroup V1.0!        For More Information, Send a Message to: [e-mail]===



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Crosby)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Terminal program for BPQ?
Date: 29 Aug 1995 00:10:02 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jay O'Brien - W6GO) writes:

>I'm using G8BPQ code in a stand-alone computer to monitor the data which
>flows between TNCs in an X1J Node stack.  Using "PAC4" I can connect and
>monitor, and also save data to a file.  It works fine as far as it goes.

>I would like a terminal program with features like ProComm, which would
>allow me to send files, scroll back through the display buffer, shell to
>DOS, etc.

TPK works with G8BPQ.  E-mail me if you want complete configuration details.

73 de Dave
[e-mail]
VE3VSM @ VE3VSM.#CON.ON.CAN.NA


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rick Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: TM-742A
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:43:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: The MOG-UR'S EMS/TGT Technologies, Granada Hills, CA 818-366-1238
Distribution: world
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I have a new 742A. It is a great radio!  I enjoy it very much.
However, I do have a couple of questions that I can't seem to find the
answer to in the manual. Maybe you can help me.

1) When using the autodialer, the button sequence is PTT, PF, & then the
autodialer memory number (#1 in my case).  The transmitter turns on when
the PTT is pressed, of course, but then turns off when the PF button is
pressed and then back on for the DTMF string. However, there is no (or
very little) pause between the transmitter turn on and the sending out
of DTMF. I use two repeater autopatches and neither of them likes this
and it _usually_ results in a misdial.  Question: Is there anyway to
add a pause or a brief wait between the transmitter turning back on and
the output of DTMF?

2) When using the 742A in a crossband repeat mode between a 220
repeater and my 2m HT, I have to wait for the 220 repeater to drop
before I can transmit.  This becomes a real drag when on a roundtable
on the 220 repeater and it has a long hang time.  Is there anyway
around this?  Is there a way to make the 742A act like a single
frequency repeater on the 2m side (ie. sample the receive every few
hundred milliseconds)?

Thanks....<re>
---
 * QMPro 1.50 41-9162 * 1 Minute Shut Mouth Worth 1 Hour Explanation


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:56 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Morris @ignite)
Subject: What 440 radio for 9600 bps?
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I'm looking for suggestions on what radio to get for the 440 Mhz band for use
on 9600 bps packet.  I have an AEA PK-80 (TNC-2) that I'm going to install a
9600 bps modem on for the a local BBS <http://www.cts.com/browse/garym/races>
and put it on 439 Mhz backbone here.

I've heard a Tek(?) radio mentioned, how about converting a Micor or Syntor
or something like that?  I don't mind drilling holes, modifying the radio,
etc (as long as I can get a manual for it).  Cost is a factor, and I can
probably get a used Motorola UHF commercial radio for free from somewhere
within our organization but I don't know which ones can be moved down to 439
Mhz (if any).
--GaryM

--
Gary Morris
Deputy Radio Officer/Digital Comm  Internet:  [e-mail]
Emergency Planning Detail (RACES)  Packet:    KK6YB @ K6JCC.#SOCA.CA.USA.NA
Emergency Services Division        Phone (days):  619-457-2700 x128
San Diego County Sheriff's Dept    <URL:http://www.cts.com/browse/garym/races>


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:57 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: "Marc Kilgore" <[e-mail]>
Subject: What good stuff is there at 9600?
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Well, I made the jump to 9600 baud - bought a new 2m rig with 50 watts
out, put up a better antenna, put in a KPC 9612. Now what? I've been
hearing about how great 9600 baud is for the last year, so I made the
move to 9600. Now the only thing I find is the same BBS's at a faster
data rate - hardly enough to cause me to jump for joy. Isn't there
anything more interesting going on out there at 9600?

I get the general feeling from reading messages that moving to tcp/ip
is alot better. Before I go to all that trouble, I'd like to hear some
examples of what there is out there. Is anyone doing anything truly
interesting at 9600? I'm interested in hearing comments. I'm sure that
there must be something that I'm missing or not aware of...I just
haven't found it yet.

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VP Information Systems       [phone]        FAX:[phone]
City & County Employees CU /144 11th Street East / St. Paul, MN 55101
[e-mail]   /[e-mail]  /  Amateur Radio: N0XIC
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 31 16:54:58 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.icon.net!usenet
From: Steve Sampson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: What good stuff is there at 9600?
Date: 29 Aug 1995 17:46:42 GMT
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"Marc Kilgore" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Well, I made the jump to 9600 baud - bought a new 2m rig with 50 watts
>out, put up a better antenna, put in a KPC 9612. Now what? I've been
>hearing about how great 9600 baud is for the last year, so I made the
>move to 9600. Now the only thing I find is the same BBS's at a faster
>data rate - hardly enough to cause me to jump for joy. Isn't there
>anything more interesting going on out there at 9600?
>
>I get the general feeling from reading messages that moving to tcp/ip
>is alot better. Before I go to all that trouble, I'd like to hear some
>examples of what there is out there.

It's not any better.  When people talk about TCP/IP they are usually
talking about JNOS.  What that means is putting up a BBS more than having
a TCP/IP client/server/router.  If you could convince others to join you
and develop not only an email or chat thingy, but also to route packets
using TCP/IP, you may find the energy spent useful.  In most cases you will
find that people are using JNOS IP packets over Rose or Netrom, and sucking
down BBS data to fill out the hard drive.

It may be a bit early yet.  I think maybe in 10 years we should be ready for
everyone to have a Linux capability.  I run Linux at home, I also use the
Alan Cox AX.25 kernel stuff (but I'd like to get rid of AX.25 totally and will).

If you want my opinion; I would recommend you get a Linux on the air.  It's
real TCP/IP as opposed to xxxNOS BBS with incidental TCP/IP.  It's full of
challenges, and can actually do real work (a software emporium of good stuff).
I think 3 or 4 users in town running 9K6 Linux connected boxes will have more
fun than all the 1K2 slack-jaws in the Universe.

--
Steve/n5owk




From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 18:16:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Baycom for Linux?
Date: 31 Aug 1995 03:16:52 GMT
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> Hmmm, let's see. The Baycom simulates a serial port using software.  A serial
> port is fed 1 byte (8 bits) and it performs the translation to a bit stream.
> Now, simulate that wonderful serial chip in software, and you must send out
> 1200 bits per second.  Hmmm, I wonder what the CPU will be doing while this
> process is taking place?

> This is a wonderful idea for a DOS box that sits in the corner, but a stupid
> idea for a multitasking, multiuser OS.  Hell, some consider context switching
> at 100 times a second as too much overhead...

Okay I guess I will cooly put my 50 dollar 1200 baud modem in a bag, Yes
that is pathetic. 50 dollars for a 1200 baud modem, when will amateurs learn...
And hit it repeatadly with a hammer until a fine powder is left.

It was relayed to me that the apollo missions was handled soley by
punched card and the equivalent of a commodore 64. I'm not going to be
crunching gaussian field equasions in the background or anything like
that. I'm just at the end of my rope and considering hand grenades as an
alternative. For some reason packet just doesn't like me. And now I am
considering things like satelite communications when I can't even get
something simple like a 1200baud half duplex modem to work. Why wasn't I
smart and chosen a nice hobby like paintball instead.

Jake Schneider

KB2IVA



From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 18:16:39 1995
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From: kevinc@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Kevin Cameron)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Digitized voice/data via mobile packet radio
Date: 31 Aug 1995 05:02:07 GMT
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Steve Sampson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Why not just have the chase crew put a repeater in the car?

The way you ask that question leads me to believe that I
didn't make myself clear.  The chase crew rides in the car
chasing the hang glider pilot.

So, a repeater on the car wouldn't help.  Also, repeaters are
scarce in the remote areas where such flights usually take place.
While car-to-hg transmissions could be helped by installing a
high powered radio, this option doesn't work out well on the
hang glider since battery energy is limited.

I guess a large antenna on the car is possible but there are
limits there.  Perhaps a directional antenna would be possible
to gain a few db.  This would add to the workload of the chase
crew though.

But what about the basic idea of using a long wavelength and
cw modulation to get extended range?  Am I all wet?  How much
range improvement could I expect for a given amount of power?

Kev
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Sep 03 18:16:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary P. Fiber)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Computer Control of Icom IC-R7100
Date: 31 Aug 1995 12:16:55 GMT
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In article <41qoge$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Allan Butler) says:
>
>                Hello,
>
>        I have a friend with one of these radios and he would like to
>build the interface and program his own computer to control the radio.
>The only problem that he has is that he cannot find the protocols that
>the radio uses to be controlled.  He would like to get the information
>that is needed to make the radio listen to the computer commands.  He is
>most interested in the data bits and the baud rate and what the actual
>commands are that need to be sent out the computer serial port.
>
>        Please respond via E-mail and here if you have an answer to this.
> He realizes that he could do the solution by throwing money at the
>problem but he wishes to do it the old fashioned way and do it himself.
>--
>                                                Allan Butler KA0IES

Allan,

Call ICOM America at 206-454-7619, press " 3 " when the automated system
answers.  You will then be connected with ICOM's parts dept.  They have a
manual titles the " CI-V Reference manual " for sale at a cost of about
$15.00 plus shipping.  This manual has the commands for the IC-R7100.
Newer ICOM radios now have the command set for the radio right in the
operators manual so it is doubtful the CI-V Reference Manual will ever
be updated

73' Gary


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Ham-Digital Digest          Thu, 31 Aug 95       Volume 95 : Issue  267

Today's Topics:
                          Baycom for Linux?
             Digitized voice/data via mobile packet radio
                         Forwarding (2 msgs)
                           JVFAX? (2 msgs)
               Looking for MA87127 Gunnplexers (2 msgs)
  Looking for Mfr of fire/explosion detectors that transmit by radio
                         PK-12 double spaces
                          radio + internet?
                     What 440 radio for 9600 bps?
              What good stuff is there at 9600? (2 msgs)

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Date: 30 Aug 1995 14:33:32 GMT
From: Steve Sampson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Baycom for Linux?

[e-mail] (David Negaard (Oberon-)) wrote:
>>>>>> "Jake" ==   <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Jake> I have one of those BayCom modems, and I was wondering if anyone
>Jake> has implemented support for these little guys in linux? Any
>Jake> directions and or sites would be appreciated.
>
>I asked this question a month or two, and the end result of all the
>information I got was that it isn't possible.  I began pursuing
>alternatives, and I think the most cost-effective route would be to
>get an SCC-based card like the OptoSCC.  If you had an OptoSCC, you
>could probably use the Baycom modem.  I _think_ that all this would
>require would be a current loop interface, and perhaps some _minor_
>modifications to the modem.

I would buy an SCC card for high speed (19K2 and up) and an external
TNC for 19K2 and down.  Alternative is the PacComm Spirit TNC which
is a modern design that can go very high in speed.

Linux has code for the PI2 SCC card, so it would be folly to get anything
else.

Leave the Baycom for the DOS boys, forget about it for real operating
systems.

--
Steve

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Date: 30 Aug 1995 14:27:48 GMT
From: Steve Sampson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Digitized voice/data via mobile packet radio

Why not just have the chase crew put a repeater in the car?

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Date: 26 Aug 1995 23:59:48 GMT
From: Pontus Falk <[e-mail]>
Subject: Forwarding

Hi OM's and (X)YL's!

As SysOp of SK0VF BBS, north of Stockholm, I'm looking for
forwarding partners in Canada, South America, Indonesia and
Japan.

I would like to use Internet for forwarding!

73 de Pontus, [e-mail]

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Date: 27 Aug 1995 00:02:28 GMT
From: Pontus Falk <[e-mail]>
Subject: Forwarding

Hi!

As SysOp of SK0VF I'm looking for forwarding partner in Canada!

I would like to use Internet for the forwarding...

73 de Pontus, [e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 01:46:02 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Ed Engel)
Subject: JVFAX?

Joerg Bauerfeld <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Dear George,
>I am a close friend of Eberhard Backeshoff, the JVFAX editor and
>would very much like to surprise him with his release 8 he never
>wrote. Could you please Email the EXE file in a compressed
>uuencoded format to me, I`d like to see this fake myself !

>73`s de Joerg, DL8EBM / N1VCA

Thanks, Joerg!  I've been periodically running searches for ver. 8 and
starting to get real irritated that I couldn't find it.

Ed Engel N7UQZ
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 23:14:00 +0300
From: [e-mail] (Ibrahim Alshugair)
Subject: JVFAX?

Hi Jorge
How r u..


-> Message-ID: <41qr50$ei1$[e-mail]>
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-> Organization: Bauerfeld Communications
->
-> Dear George,
-> I am a close friend of Eberhard Backeshoff, the JVFAX editor and
-> would very much like to surprise him with his release 8 he never
-> wrote. Could you please Email the EXE file in a compressed
-> uuencoded format to me, I`d like to see this fake myself !
->
-> 73`s de Joerg, DL8EBM / N1VCA
from my side i,ll send u the Jvfax Ver 8.1 when i get it..
73's de Ibrahim
E-mail    [e-mail]

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Date: 29 Aug 1995 09:32:11 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Mnr PJ Le Riche)
Subject: Looking for MA87127 Gunnplexers

Hi!

I am currently designing a 10 megabits/second digital data link for my final
year Electronic Engineering project (I am a student at the University of
Stellenbosch).

I am envisaging the use of Gunn transceivers to accomplish this, and my choice
has fallen on the MA87127 or MA87125 from Microwave Associates. The data
sheets for these indicate that they are "low cost", however I have not been
able to obtain them locally at a reasonable price and within a couple of
weeks (I am rather pressed for time).

If anyone knows how to get hold of these quickly or has a couple of used
ones lying around (and you are willing to sell them), please let me know.

Thanks

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Date: 29 Aug 1995 14:08:31 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Mnr PJ Le Riche)
Subject: Looking for MA87127 Gunnplexers



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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:08:12 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Freddie Freeloader)
Subject: Looking for Mfr of fire/explosion detectors that transmit by radio

Scenario:
 A business currently has in place approximatley 350 fire dectector
stations that transmit on a frequency back to a central location.
They are old (tubes are still used!).  They have self diagnostics and
transmit two (2) seperate type codes/frequencies.  One is in the event
of fire another is a noticification of an abnormality (i.e. broken
wire/failed self-diagnostics).  They transmit an identifier also so
the location is known.  This transmission in turn lights up a red
light for a fire or a yellow light for a diagnostic problem.

Is anyone aware of a company that sales this type of equipment?
Are books available on the design of this type system?
etc...etc..etc...

What questions am I not asking that's needed to be known? (outside of
frequency)

Thanks in advance.

Richard M Jackson
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 18:20:39 -0600
From: [e-mail] (David Kelly)
Subject: PK-12 double spaces

In article <41ujo5$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dave
Horsfall) wrote:

> A friend of mine obtained a PK-12, sans documentation, and is having
> trouble with it double-spacing everything on transmit.  The local dealer
> is less than helpful.  Can someone please tell me the command to turn
> this off?

Have him set "ILfpack ON" which should be the factory default. This tells
the PK-12 to ignore all Incoming Line feeds. Or he can set his terminal
program NOT to add LF after CR.

> I've never seen the thing, but I get the impression that it isn't even
> remotely TAPR compatible (like my own KPC).

Command set is close. I peeked inside a PK-12 once and it is not even
remotely similar to a TNC-2, neither is the KPC. In fact I almost bought a
PK-12 just because the PK-12 uses a Motorola 68HC11 rather than the Zilog
Z80 in the TNC-2. I do a lot of 68HC11 work, have an excellent C compiler
and Nohau emulator. Decided I didn't have was the time to make neat things
out of PK-12's.

73,
--
David Kelly N4HHE,   [e-mail],    [e-mail]
===========================================================
The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its
capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system.

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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 12:52:18 +0100
From: mike keane <[e-mail]>
Subject: radio + internet?

Hope this is the correct group!
I m seeking advice for a friend, I know the internet, he knows amatur
radio. I know there are radio BB's. BUT are there means of gaining
access to the internet using amatur radio. He is based in south england
hes got a big ariel and lots of interesting looking boxes (I know
NOTHING about amatur radio,as you probably have guessed) He has a
license ? hes got no voicebox so cant speak so he uses Bardot?
 I hope this is making sense to someone. anyway if anybody has details
or knows where to look for info then PLEASE Email me as I have no
interest in this group.Thanking you in advance. MIKE

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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 08:41:32 PDT
From: Don Rotolo <[e-mail]>
Subject: What 440 radio for 9600 bps?

In article <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:

> I'm looking for suggestions on what radio to get for the 440 Mhz band for use
> on 9600 bps packet.  I have an AEA PK-80 (TNC-2) that I'm going to install a
> 9600 bps modem on for the a local BBS <http://www.cts.com/browse/garym/races>
> and put it on 439 Mhz backbone here.
>
> I've heard a Tek(?) radio mentioned, how about converting a Micor or Syntor
> or something like that?  I don't mind drilling holes, modifying the radio,
> etc (as long as I can get a manual for it).  Cost is a factor, and I can
> probably get a used Motorola UHF commercial radio for free from somewhere
> within our organization but I don't know which ones can be moved down to 439
> Mhz (if any).
> --GaryM

Gary, you have four choices:
1. Kantronics D4-10, 10 watt for 9k6 and 19k2 - $350
2. TEKK Model KS-900 or KS-960, 2 watt for 9k6 (*) - $120
3. Azden PCS-9600(?) 25-30 watt for 9k6 - $650
4. Modify a commercial rig - micors work well

If 2 watts will be enough, the TEKK is highly recommended.  Tiny, no frills,
crystal-controlled, and inexpensive.  The KS-960 is the more expensive model,
but you gain little for the money, and no performance increase.  John WB3ESS
developed a simple upgrade mod (a few capacitors here and there) to improve
performance at 9k6, which really helps (if you need details, reply via mail).

If 2 watts won't fly, a modified commercial rig might be the next best bet. The
other routes are basically plug-n-play, but costly.

Don Rotolo
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 04:31:56 GMT
From: "Marc Kilgore" <[e-mail]>
Subject: What good stuff is there at 9600?

Well, I made the jump to 9600 baud - bought a new 2m rig with 50 watts
out, put up a better antenna, put in a KPC 9612. Now what? I've been
hearing about how great 9600 baud is for the last year, so I made the
move to 9600. Now the only thing I find is the same BBS's at a faster
data rate - hardly enough to cause me to jump for joy. Isn't there
anything more interesting going on out there at 9600?

I get the general feeling from reading messages that moving to tcp/ip
is alot better. Before I go to all that trouble, I'd like to hear some
examples of what there is out there. Is anyone doing anything truly
interesting at 9600? I'm interested in hearing comments. I'm sure that
there must be something that I'm missing or not aware of...I just
haven't found it yet.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Marc Kilgore                 http://www.ccecu.com/kilgore/kilgore.htm
VP Information Systems       [phone]        FAX:[phone]
City & County Employees CU /144 11th Street East / St. Paul, MN 55101
[e-mail]   /[e-mail]  /  Amateur Radio: N0XIC
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Date: 29 Aug 1995 17:46:42 GMT
From: Steve Sampson <[e-mail]>
Subject: What good stuff is there at 9600?

"Marc Kilgore" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Well, I made the jump to 9600 baud - bought a new 2m rig with 50 watts
>out, put up a better antenna, put in a KPC 9612. Now what? I've been
>hearing about how great 9600 baud is for the last year, so I made the
>move to 9600. Now the only thing I find is the same BBS's at a faster
>data rate - hardly enough to cause me to jump for joy. Isn't there
>anything more interesting going on out there at 9600?
>
>I get the general feeling from reading messages that moving to tcp/ip
>is alot better. Before I go to all that trouble, I'd like to hear some
>examples of what there is out there.

It's not any better.  When people talk about TCP/IP they are usually
talking about JNOS.  What that means is putting up a BBS more than having
a TCP/IP client/server/router.  If you could convince others to join you
and develop not only an email or chat thingy, but also to route packets
using TCP/IP, you may find the energy spent useful.  In most cases you will
find that people are using JNOS IP packets over Rose or Netrom, and sucking
down BBS data to fill out the hard drive.

It may be a bit early yet.  I think maybe in 10 years we should be ready for
everyone to have a Linux capability.  I run Linux at home, I also use the
Alan Cox AX.25 kernel stuff (but I'd like to get rid of AX.25 totally and will).

If you want my opinion; I would recommend you get a Linux on the air.  It's
real TCP/IP as opposed to xxxNOS BBS with incidental TCP/IP.  It's full of
challenges, and can actually do real work (a software emporium of good stuff).
I think 3 or 4 users in town running 9K6 Linux connected boxes will have more
fun than all the 1K2 slack-jaws in the Universe.

--
Steve/n5owk

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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:41:30 -0700
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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:17:07 -0700
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End of Ham-Digital Digest V95 #267
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Subject: Re: AX.25 for Linux?
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Mat Maessen {tomatoe} ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I'm in the process of putting together a Linux machine, and gee, it just
: happens to have an extra serial port available...

: Does anyone out there know where I can find AX.25 kernel extensions, utilities,
: etc. for Linux?  I know I've seen them somewhere, I just don't remember where..
Try ftp.ucsd.edu
The tcp/ip stuffs are in /hamradio/packet/tcpip

Good Luck,

73 de Dan, ke6dnd