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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:05 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: AZ callsign plate fee increase
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 95 00:19:14 -0500
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Keith Wyatt <[e-mail]> writes:

>Come over to California and pay our fees, Geez, talk about fees!

YOu got that right - I "lived" (if you  can call it that) in the Bay
area for about a year and a half.  When the CA DMV told me they wanted
$400 for plates plus a $300 "smog impact fee" I told them to shove it
and kept my out-of-state plates since I knew I wasn't going to
stay long anyway.  I never could understand what they could do with all
that money, given the amount of cars in California.  You would think that
the state would have more money than they could possibly spend, but
on the other hand we are referring to government bureaucrats.
Anyway, I'm back to paying PA my $24 per year and that's Ok with me.
I'm really suprised that the Californians didn't revolt against the
registration fees when they dreamed up Proposition 13!

73, Mike KB3RG


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Shuddering thoughts
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In article  [e-mail] (Ed Ellers) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) says:
>>Most recently I believe it was 1979. These are international treaties,
>>and require the consent of the Senate. Treaties hold a status secondary
>>only to the Constitution in US law. Once the Senate consents to a treaty,
>>it is superior to all other US laws, and as binding as the Constitution,
>>though not superior to it.
>
>So, in other words, 51 people with voting cards and one with a pen can
>throw away the indepdence that so many Americans fought and died for.
>(Assuming that there is no legal way to abrogate a treaty.)
[snip]
>I'm not bashing the ITU in this regard (though I have a lot of complaints
>about the way they do other things).  I'm simply asking what happened to
>our independence.

You'll have to take that question up with Madison and the other
Federalists. The Constitution was ratified in 1788 over the
objections of men like Jefferson, Henry, Jay, Mason, and Lee
who didn't want such power concentrated into the hands of a few.
So I guess you could say that's when Americans lost their
freedom. I doubt many would agree that the freedom of Americans
was lost with the signing of the Constitution, but that is the
basis for our treaty obligations.

Of course treaties can be abrogated, that's what war is for,
but it's not a step to be taken lightly.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mikelder)
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Subject: Re: [REQ] Motorola Syntor PROM info?
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;i want it too, if anyone has ANY ;info on this It would be very
helpful.....
ANYTHING, PLEASE


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From: [e-mail] (Mario Mere')
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Subject: Re: Where is a ham "for sale " newsgroup?
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] (Torrey L. Mitchell, M.D.) wrote:
>>If you have knowledge of this...please email to address below.
>>

>You want to buy a ham that is "for sale?"

Georgia or Danish????
73 de N1SGN
Mario MerΘ
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Atkins)
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Subject: Telefunken Tubes For Sale
Date: 1 Jul 1995 02:02:00 -0500
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I have the following original Telefunken Tubes (Made in Germany) for sale:

ECC 81    (B5215024)        x 2
ECC 82    (B2015126)        x 2
ECC 82    (B6005926)        x 1
ECC 83    (B5215001)        x 2
ECC 83    (B3105701)        x 1
ECC 83    (B81056??)        x 1
EAM 86    (B3105800Sa)      x 2

E-mail me and make a reasonable offer.

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mikelder)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help! NiCd won't hold charge!
Date: 1 Jul 1995 02:12:09 -0400
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you need to separate the individual cells to zap-em...dont have to
unsolder them tho. just make sure that you can get to each individual cell
with a meter.
Find the offending cell,,,usually only one and the whole pack is done for.
check each cell with a meter, (you can do this with them all still
assembled in the pack.) Place a test lead on the positive one and a
negitive lead on the neg.
I just use my test meter leads, same one that i found bad cell with. Now
connect your leads to a power source. ( power supply, car battery, ni-cad
"d" cell or whatever, )  [nicad "d" cell works because a nicad can
discharg a large amount of current fast] hit it with some power; you will
get a spark, so dont become alarmed, hold it on there for a while [10 or
so seconds usually does it] Maybe even 1 or 2 seconds, I dont know. There
a lot of neat gizmos that will do this for you but I have found out that
my astron pwr supply has fixed 90% of my dead nicads. Not very scientific
or precise, but it WORKS. Nicads are not nearly as fragile as i had once
thought...Dont hold it on there till it gets hot, just hit it for a few
seconds and then check it with a meter, chances are that it will show a
very good charge, not charged but will show good voltage. As much or more
than the others in the pack, Charge well and go, Nicads grow "whiskers"
that eventually grow together to form a short. killing (sorta) the cell,
this harsh treatment will also take care of a cell that has been cross
polarized (sounds bad dont it). Might work on fags too, I have seen girls
that could make a queer change his ways. Not very calculated but this will
fix it. I tryed a couple of circuits that were made to do this and found
out that it is easier and faster to just hit em with a jumper cable for a
few seconds. "ZAP" it'll get em every time. I used to unsolder the
offending cell and place it in a fixture to carefully repair the problem,
but what the hell I aint broke one yet. just zap it and before long you
will have a junk box FULL of bad nicads that will work like a new one.
Little buggers will last forever if you slapem around every once in a
while. And remember to unplug your cordless phone and leave it on once a
month or so till the batteries run down, dont keep putting it back on the
cradle every time you use is or before long you will HAVE to put it on the
cradle every time you use it  because it wont hold a charge.  Go ahead and
quick charge your cordless drill batteries with a car battery till they
get warm every once in a while if they run down while you are working on
your car, It may not be a full charge, but it'll work for a little while.
before all you nicads-are-fragile geeks write me hate mail, I will say
this. I gotta bunch of nicads that people threw away; peeled off the
package so i could get to each individual cell (cant zap the whole pack at
once) hit em with the astron and test leads and put-em in all the kids
toys and everything else that I can think of, and still gotta lot of em
left. nicads are cool.
If someone want to give you a circuit, computer program and fancy holders
to care for your nicads, thats ok too. I HATE to unsolder nicads and
solder them back (lazy). just check each cell with a meter and you'll find
it. no set values. It wont be less than a certain voltage itll be 0-volts,
easy.
have fun and if you can touch it for more than 5 seconds it ain't too hot.
FULLY


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl  Budd Lake)
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Subject: Re: cw is here to stay!
Date: 1 Jul 1995 03:03:32 GMT
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Tom Randolph ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Sorry, folks, but sometimes CW is a good choice. Maybe not the theoretically
: perfect or best choice, but a good one. Why is this so difficult to accept?
: Why MUST my backpacking trip advance the state of the art of radio? It's a
: vacation, not a master's thesis!

TOM, et al
Your use of CW is your choice.  NO ONE wants to deny you your
opportuunity to use CW.  No one is saying if CW testing ends that
your use of CW on the air must end.  NO ONE is saying if you only
want to have a QRP CW rig that you shouldn't.  BUT, just because
you have a fondness for CW or have some occasions where you belive
CW is the best mode to operate with that does not automatically
justify that every other ham on HF must pass a CW test.

: BTW, I can think of plenty of other places where CW works just fine. For
: instance, some of my ham friends are into 10 GHz - what's the first
: transmission they ever made when trying to get going on that band? Their call
: sign in CW! You guys would no doubt have them hooked up to a DSP system,
: running some exotic modulation at Gbits per second just to send their call!

As above, if CW fits, use it.  If there's an actual need for CW, then
those individuals that choose to use it will learn it and use it.
That's what it boils down to.  There's no need to force CW on anyone
anymore (except for the moment to satisfy the minimal requirements
of the ITU treaty)..
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Bill Sohl  K2UNK     (Budd lake, New Jersey)      ([e-mail])
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Warren Gay VE3WWG)
Subject: 4 S A L E - Rack Mount Cabinet
Organization: John Coutts Library Systems
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 03:16:15 GMT
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FOR SALE:

19  inch  Rack  Mount  cabinet.  Was  previously used to hold heavy disk
drives for old Unix system which has since departed.  The cabinet stands
roughly 5 feet tall, and is perhaps 3 feet deep, with a standard 19 inch
rack width.

Two  removable  side  panels  (dark  brown)  and  some  front/rear panel
portions  (tan) are included. Has extra front extendable foot to prevent
cabinet tip over, and castor wheels.

$ 50.00 Cdn, to the first person to take it out of the garage.

Call, Warren at home, (evenings please) 905-646-3915,

or until Fri July 14th, during 9-5 at Work 905-356-6382.
   ===================

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Warren W. Gay VE3WWG            John Coutts Library Services Limited
[e-mail]        Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada


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From: [e-mail] (Warren Gay VE3WWG)
Subject: 4 S A L E - Decwriter Terminal (for RTTY!)
Organization: John Coutts Library Systems
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 03:20:21 GMT
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FOR SALE, CHEAP!  We're moving -- it must go.

Working  condition, a 150/300/600 baud Decwriter printing terminal (with
keyboard).  Perfect for RTTY ham work.

$ 15.00 to the first person to come and take it away!

Evenings, call Warren at 905-646-3915,

or prior to Fri July 14th, at work at 905-356-6382.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Warren W. Gay VE3WWG            John Coutts Library Services Limited
[e-mail]        Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jose Miguel Fonte)
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Subject: DXpedition to EU-145 [Culatra Isl] CT1
Date: 1 Jul 1995 04:24:06 GMT
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             IOTA  DX'PEDITION TO CULATRA ISLAND   EU-145


The NPDXG - Northern Portugal DX Group and the RCL - Radio Clube
de Loule are organizing a Multi-single entry on the 1995 IOTA Contest
from the Culatra Island  IOTA EU-145.

The station will be active some days before the IOTA contest on all bands,
all Modes, including Satellites.
During the IOTA contest ( 29th and 30th of July 1995 ) will be active
as CQ2C ( requested callsign ) on SSB and CW.

QSL Manager for Europe will be CT1EEB and for all the
North Americans via  WA1ECA.

This Island is good for:
IOTA with the Ref. EU-145
DIP with the Ref. AL-001
The DX'pedition will also be good for the Portuguese Lighthouse award.

The  NPDXG  TEAM   will be:
Pedro  CT1DNF , Jose  CT1EEB ,  Miguel  CT1ENQ ,  Luis  CT1ESO ,
Ruben  CT1ETZ  ,  Rui  CT1FAK  and  Pedro  CT1FDR.

The  RCL  TEAM  will be:
Celestino  CT1ASU  and  Rui  CT1ERY

                                73's de CT1ENQ - Miguel
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:14 1995
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From: "Dennis A. Mason" <damason>
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Subject: did not recieve any info on hr-212 mic.
Date: 1 Jul 1995 04:38:27 GMT
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Hello Marty, I did not recieve any info from you on the  Regency HR-212
mic. if you have any leave it on my e-mail or phone at 1-303-373-5847
73 de kd4gan (Dennis)



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ishikawa nobuyoshi)
Subject: Ham shop in Boston area and ARRL.?
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Hello American amateur stations!.

This is JH1WCD from Japan.
I will go to Boston July 14th - July 20th.
So I want to visit some Ham shop in Boston area and ARRL.
Please let me know how to get Ham shops and ARRL.
I'm using lent a car.

And how about National Radio Company in Boston.?
I want visit this famous Company ruins.

Any other information (surplus shop,restaurant...) are
welcome.!

Nobuyoshi Ishikawa JH1WCD
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Karamanos )
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Subject: Re: ? open 440 repeaters
Date: 1 Jul 1995 06:46:39 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>[e-mail] writes:
>
>>Funny, I don't see this problem on 220 in So Cal -- it can be a
pretty
>>inviting band to new hams, with quite a few open repeaters, yet
>>equipment is MUCH harder to come by than it is for 440. Some ham
>>manufacturers have dropped 220 radios from their line entirely,
probably
>>since the band is inactive in almost all non-major cities and because
of
>>the advent of the no-code Tech license.
>
>But why do the manufacturers have to dictate what bands hams operate
on?
>My Elmer, WA6AIG, and his buddies ("Rag and Tech Net") built all their
>own 220 gear back in the mid-60s (they had to - I don't believe there
>was any commercial gear available [surplus mil gear excluded]); what
>prevents today's VHF ops from doing the same?
>
>Jeff NH6IL
Most Amateur manufacturers are making less 220 MHz equipment today
since 220 MHz Amateur can only be used in 2 countries around the world.
 2m and 440 MHz Amateur can be used in over 130 countries.  So we will
see a more and more 2m and 440 MHz gear. Very little 220 MHz gear in
the future.  Don't forget 1.2 GHz band (1240~1300 MHz).  You can now
use 1.2 GHz amateur gear in over 40 contries..

73's WD6DIH


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul J. Piercey (VO1HE))
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Subject: SONRA HamJam'95, July 14 - 16.
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 95 06:52:11 GMT
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The Society of Newfoundland Radio Amateurs will be sponsoring HamJam95,
the VO Hamfest, from July 14 to 16, 1995. It will be held in St. John's at the
Airport Plaza Hotel and we have a load of stuff on the agenda. The Hamfest will
also play host to the Annual General Meeting of VOARA, the VO Amateur Radio
Association, the NF Provincial organization. Our guest speaker at the banquet
will be Farrell (Hoppy) Hopwood VE7RD, President of RAC.

Because of venue obligations, the cut off for registration will be July 6th, 1995.

For further information, contact Ken Whalen VO1ST via:

VO1ST@VO1SIG.#ENF.NF.CAN.NA
                                or
[e-mail]
                                or
HamJam '95
Box 1226
St. John's, NF
A1C 5M9

either one or all!!


CU there!!


============================================================================
Paul J. Piercey

VO1HE
[44.135.16.3]

Packet Address     VO1HE@VO1AAA.#ENF.NF.CAN.NA
Internet Address   [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:17 1995
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Hi Tom,

There's only one thing it takes to learn CW, persistence!
It was a real struggle for me originally but well worth it.
Don't let anyone, particularly those lazy people who will
tell you CW is obsolete, talk you out of it. When you talk
to that 10 watt station in the furthest corner of Russia or
get WAS with 1 watt, you can have the last laugh. Hang in
there.

                  73, Jim WB6LWS



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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>In article  [e-mail] writes:
>>>Gerald Schmitt ([e-mail]) wrote:

>>>: Considering data thru put rate signal to noise ratio and
>>>: ability to communicate I must conclude C.W. must mean
>>>:    Completely Worthless

>>What's your speed? 5wpm? 13wpm? 20wpm? CW becomes worthwhile and
>>a pleasure once you hit 25 with no pencil  - just copy in your head.

>If it isn't hard copy, it isn't copy.

Oh Gary, stop being silly.  You'll hear folks on phone say ``I copied
that...'' - you know very well what they mean. Sometimes I think your
only reason to post is just so you can advertise DTS.

Jeff NH6IL (a non-commercial signature unlike Gary's billboard)




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This is not for those who want to fight with me over code or no code.  I enjoy
CW and the people who I talk with on it.  If you don't want to learn it, don't!

This is a compilation of what I've learned seems to work when teaching morse
code to people.  Hope this helps.

ôFrom No Code to Know Codeö
by Dave Kelley, AA7TQ

DRAFT COPY

IÆm not going to start out by telling you that learning the code is fun.
IÆm not going to tell you there is an easy way to learn it.  But, like
just about everything, there is a right way and a wrong way to do
something.  I hope to give you some ideas that should help you learn the
code and get all the way to the top.  Like many, you may learn to love
the CW mode.  DonÆt believe it can happen?  Listen to the CW bands on
any day and compare the number of  QSOs going on compared with the phone
band.  You probably will find more people chirping than yapping.

Here are some points to think about.  People all learn differently so
use what you think will work for you and discard or modify these ideas
for your own use.

* DonÆt learn it at a slow rate, even from the start.
If your goal is to get to 20, or even 13 words per minute set your
learning speed accordingly.  For example, if your goal is 20 then try to
copy with a character speed of 22 wpm with a long space between
characters.   As you start to recognize the letters quicker you can
simply close the spacing between the letters until your at full speed.
This allows you to get used to the sound of the characters at this
speed.  Hearing code at a slower speed later will be easy to recognize
opposed to the other way around.

* Listen to the SOUND of the characters.
Learning code at a higher speed helps you avoid one of the biggest
problems we all have when starting out in code.  We tend to ôcountö dits
and dahs or visualize the letter on paper with the code next to it (A .-
).  If you learn code by doing any counting, memorizing code charts, or
even thinking about the pattern of the sound you will find those
æplateausÆ you may have heard about.  These are blocks that youÆll find
at about 10 and 18 wpm.  Our minds can do these conversions only so
fast.

By learning the sounds of the character we can learn to copy almost
automatically.  If I were to recite letters to you in English you would
be able to write them down without thinking about how to form the letter
or even what it looks like.  You just know that when I say ôDouble-Uö
you would write W on the page.  Code should be learned the same way.  No
conscious conversion processes in between.

* NEVER use crutches!
In keeping with the above paragraph you should stay away from crutches.
One that comes to mind that is the worst way to learn code is the
Sound=Catchy Phrase=Letter technique.  This is were you learn little
rhymes that go with each letter.  The letter C is ôCatch-it Catch-itö,
like the sound of the C.  THIS IS A VERY BAD way to learn the code.  Can
you imagine using this to copy at 20 wpm?  YouÆd hear the sound, have to
think of the phrase, then think of what letter it was from that phrase
and then write it down.  Ooops, you just missed 5 letters while you were
doing all that mental converting.  Chances are, youÆd never make it to
20 wpm using that crutch.  Frankly, I think learning it simply by the
sound of the letter would be easier than learning little rhymes anyhow.

* Learn to drop the pencil from time to time.
Some of us canÆt write at 20 wpm.  I can, but my hand gets mighty tired
in a long QSO.  So, drop that pencil and close your eyes.  Listen to the
letters and let them form behind your eyelids instead.  YouÆll start
seeing whole words there.  Then youÆll get the hang of hearing complete
sentences without forgetting letters as fast as you hear them.  Think
about this.  The only conversion we have really talked about (thatÆs
okay) is from hearing the sound to writing it down.  If we take away the
part about forming the letter on paper our brain has even more time to
just listen and comprehend the code...leaving it time to remember the
order of the letters.  People who have learning this can listen to the
CW band as easily as they can the phone band.  As you tune around youÆll
hear what people are saying very clearly.

Without the pencil pushing to get in the way your code speed will jump
several notches too.  You might find yourself listening to a couple guys
or gals talking at 30-35 wpm and copying without much effort.  You sure
couldnÆt write it that fast.  So, drop that pencil and just listen for a
while.

* Taking the test.
Being a VE for many years I have seen everything in our code sessions.
Stress is always present (no matter how many jokes I tell first) and
people usually react negatively to stress.  You should have a skill
level of 2-5 wpm over the actual test you are taking.  Your comfort
level will be better.  If you have heart problems or get sick under
extreme stress let the VEs know this so they can work with you.

The code tests are nothing more than a sample of QSOs like you might
hear on the air.  It sends call letters and information about things
like RST, QTH, name, rig, weather and other standard chat stuff.
Knowing how we talk on the air can be a big advantage so if you have a
way to receive HF or even better, if you can get on the air by all means
do it.

When taking the test You might want to decide if you want to go for the
100% copy.  This might be good for some people.  If you copy on paper
and know you are doing well from the computer, tapes or on the air then
this would be good.  If you have learned with the æpencil downÆ method
you might want to just take notes.  When you hear key words write them
down.  He has to QRT for lunch, his antenna is a dipole, or he has a
schedule with his mother in Botswana.  You might write lunch, dipole,
mother, Botswana.  You can then answer the questions on the multi-choice
sheet rather easily.  This is not cheating in any sense of the word
either.  The idea of knowing code at a particular speed means you can
comprehend what the information is..and we are doing that here.

Well, there you have it.  I have known many people over the years who
have used these key ideas to gain a mastery over the Morse code.  Most
of them you can meet...the next time your on the air...in the CW bands.
Enjoy.



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:22 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: amateur radi obsolete?
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[e-mail] wrote:

>When I was in the USAF, several commanders ordered our MARS stations
>closed because "we don't need the capability now that we have cellular
>phones".  Same logic.  What idiots.  And the comm people didn't even
>argue.  Bigger idiots.

You are the idiot.
In most areas ham radio serves no purpose other than to cause old fat white
dirty men to sit on their butts. There are exceptions but they are
EXCEPTIONS.



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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:23 1995
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[e-mail] wrote:

>When I was in the USAF, several commanders ordered our MARS stations
>closed because "we don't need the capability now that we have cellular
>phones".  Same logic.  What idiots.  And the comm people didn't even
>argue.  Bigger idiots.

You are the idiot.
In most areas ham radio serves no purpose other than to cause old fat white
dirty men to sit on their butts. There are exceptions but they are
EXCEPTIONS.



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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:23 1995
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Subject: Re: Where is a ham "for sale " newsgroup?
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[e-mail] (Mario Mere') wrote:
>Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>You want to buy a ham that is "for sale?"
>
>Georgia or Danish????
>73 de N1SGN
>Mario MerΘ
>[e-mail]

I would like to buy a pretty female ham, a 1960s model rig will do.


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Greetings from ARRL headquarters!

The services that the American Radio Relay League provides via the
internet include a World Wide Web page, an FTP file archive site,
an automated email information server (Info-Server), a number of email
mailing lists and direct email to most HQ staff. If you have any
questions about the following information, please send them to me at
[e-mail].

Best regards - Michael Tracy, KC1SX, ARRL Technical Information Services.


* World Wide Web (URL http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc/arrl.html)

  The ARRL's Web home page is provided for by the generous folks
  at Oakland University in Michigan. This page, maintained by
  Scott Ehrlich, WY1Z, of the Boston Amateur Radio Club, features
  the following information links:

  Access to our FTP archive files
  The ARRL and our membership services
  Lists of upcoming license exam tests
  The complete text of FCC rules Part 97
  Contacts for volunteers who assist with emergencies and disasters
  ARRL sponsored hamfests and conventions listing
  ARRL sponsored contests
  The latest ARRL Letter
  Links to the web pages of ARRL affiliated clubs
  W1AW bulletins
  ...and more!


* FTP archive site (oak.oakland.edu)

  This FTP site (also at the University of Oakland) currently contains
  a complete mirror of the files on our Email Information Server.  It
  also features a growing number of files from the ARRL telephone BBS.

  To access this site, FTP to oak.oakland.edu. At the "login:" prompt,
  type ANONYMOUS and at the password prompt, type your email address.
  Change directory to pub/hamradio/arrl/infoserver and get the file
  index.txt for a listing of what files are available (and in what
  directories!)


* Email Information Server ([e-mail])

  The Email Information Server (Info-Server, for short) is an automated
  mail server that gives you access to many text files relating
  to various facets of Amateur Radio. To obtain more detailed instructions
  and a list of available files, send an email message to [e-mail]
  with any subject (it is not used) and the following text in the body
  of your message:

  HELP
  INDEX
  QUIT

  Each file you request is then mailed to you automatically.


* Email Mailing Lists ([e-mail])

  The following email lists are distributed by Netcom internet services
  and are sponsored by Mike Ardai, N1IST, and the Boston Amateur Radio
  Club. If you have any questions about these lists, please direct them
  to Mike Ardai, N1IST at [e-mail]. For more information on the
  Boston ARC, subscribe to barc-list.

  arrl-exam-list:  Amateur radio license examinations scheduled in the US
                   and in some foreign areas.
  arrl-nediv-list: Bi-monthly bulletins from the ARRL NE Division director
  arrl-special-olympics: Information about amateur radio's involvement in
the
                         Special Olympics
  arrl-ve-list:  Announcements to VEs and VE teams.
  barc-list:     Information, discussion and announcements for the Boston
                 Amateur Radio Club and hams in Eastern Massachusetts.
  barc-races:    RACES in Massachusetts and emergency management
  ema-arrl:      ARRL Eastern Massachusetts section discussions
  fieldorg-l:    ARRL field organization discussions
  fox-list:      Fox hunting and Radio Direction Finding
  ham-tech:      Technical discussions and questions about Amateur Radio
  ky1n-list:     VE exams in New England
  letter-list:   Redistribution of the ARRL Letter
  newsline-list: Redistribution of Amateur Radio Newsline
  w1aw-list:     ARRL bulletins, news, and information

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* Headquarters Email for the American Radio Relay League

  The complete list of HQ email addresses can be obtained on the
  Internet via:

  World Wide Web (http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc/arrl.html) -
  Click on the "Contact information" link.

  FTP (oak.oakland.edu) - At the "login:" prompt, type ANONYMOUS and
  at the password prompt, type your email address. Change directory
  to pub/hamradio/arrl/infoserver and get the file hq-email.txt.

  Email ([e-mail]) - Send an email to [e-mail] with any
  subject (it is not used). Put SEND HQ-EMAIL.TXT on a line by itself
  in your message. For a set of instructions on using the email server,
  add the word HELP on another line by itself.


Best Regards, Michael Tracy, KC1SX, ARRL Technical Information Services
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American Radio Relay League, Inc.     Tel: [phone]
225 Main Street                       Fax: [phone]
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:27 1995
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From: Leland Van Koten <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Obtaining a reciprocal license for the UK and Scotland
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Marc Wiz <[e-mail]> writes:

>I will be going to Scotland and Great Britain in the next couple
>of months and would like to operate there on two meters with my
>handheld.
>
>I've looked at the ARRL information server and found that I need
>to send an application to the Radio Communications Agency in the
>UK.
>
>Does anyone know what the typical time is for processing a request?

We got back from there at the end of March.  I had looked into getting a
reciprocal license, but didn't have time since we made our plans on about 2
weeks notice.  As I recall, they said the time involved was 4-6 weeks, so
I'd send the application by Federal Express or other overnight service.

If you're going to start your trip in London, you might ask them to hold the
license at the Radio Communications Agency so you and it don't cross somewhere
over the north Atlantic.

A couple of British hams had told me over the air that they thought we had
automatic reciprocal licensing (such as we do with Canada), but that's not
correct.  Unfortunately, they only have it with the other countries of the
European Community.  Too bad -- the guy at the Radio Communications Agency
said they had a lot of requests from American hams that were too late to be
processed in time for their trip, and I'm sure a lot of British hams have the
same experience here.

                                              Lee, KE3FB


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:28 1995
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>ARRL - association of old fat white men.

>CW - continuous wave. No longer used.

>AM - Amplitude Modulation. Rarely used by a few rare experimenters.

>FM - Frequency Modulation. Wasted on two meters.

>VHF - Very High Frequency, where no coders live.

>HF - High Frequency, home of dirty old men.

>HAM - boring person

>QST -  Also the title of the ARRL's monthly magazine, the only  decent one..

>QSO - over used term.

>DX  DXing is the "sport" of contacting DX stations.This is no SPORT, sports require getting off your butt

>AMATEUR BAND - waste of spectrum


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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:28 1995
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test



OL>Does anyone know of clubs offering VE testing in the
OL>Palo Alto CA area?

OL>Thanx in Advance!
OL>[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Forrest Gehrke)
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Last week on a tour of the Fredericksburg, VA Civil War
battlefields I saw at one of the U.S. Park Service
tour centers a telegraph instrument called Beardslee's
Magneto Telegraph.  It was in a wooden case approximately
2 feet wide, 1 1/2 feet high and 1 1/2 feet deep.

It was described as a telegraph instrument which could
be used without the need of the operator to know
any code and was capable of 7 to 15 words per minute.
There was no explanation of its electrical mode of operation
except to say that no batteries were required.

On the top was a circular face with the letters of the
alphabet and the numerals 0 to 9 inscribed. A movable
indicator (like the minute hand of a clock with a knob
on the end of it for grasping) could be turned to
each character and then depressed to actuate a switch.

It's operation was described as simply requiring the
operator to turn the indicator to each successive
character of the message, depressing the indicator,
and then proceeding to the next character.  An identical
instrument, acting as a receiver, would follow this
action and that operator had merely to record the characters
indicated by the pointer.  There was no explanation
of how distant the receiver might be in order to
reliably receive.  The implication was that this
instrument was used for intra-battle line communications.

The front of the cabinet was open and a gear train could
be observed attached to the central indicator. To one side
was what appeared to be an arrangement of a movable
armature coil surrounded by four large iron pole
pieces which obviously was the magneto.  The central
gear train appeared to be able to turn the magneto but
the front opening was not big enough to observe this well.

I was mystified.  I had never heard of this machine before
and the technology did not look like anything that could
have been available in the 1861-1865 period.  Furthermore,
if its capability was as good as indicated, why would there
ever have been need for telegraph operators?  Perhaps its
signal was too weak for any long distance operations?

My guess is that there would be a fixed number of alternations
of current produced as the indicator was pushed between each
character and that therefore the receiving instrument's
magneto would make the same number of turns.  There would
have to be a mutually agreed upon starting point for each
message in order to maintain synchronism.  Would the receiver
magneto reverse when the transmitter indicator was reversed,
or would the transmitter always be required to turn in the
same direction for the next character of the message?

Can anyone shed light on this instrument?  Was it actually
in use during the Civil War period?

--k2bt

 * RM 1.3 02583 *   When you care enough to fake the very best.


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Warren Gay VE3WWG ([e-mail]) wrote:
: FOR SALE, CHEAP!  We're moving -- it must go.

: Working  condition, a 150/300/600 baud Decwriter printing terminal (with
: keyboard).  Perfect for RTTY ham work.

: $ 15.00 to the first person to come and take it away!
^^^^^^^^

Warren, you do, of course, mean that you'll be paying them the
$15.00?   ;-)

I've STILL got one in my garage...the local scrap company wouldn't
take it!

Steve KA6S


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: cw is here to stay!
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Larry Roll) writes:
> -=> Quoting Ross Alexander to All <=-
> RA> Nobody ever said that CW should go.  Where in the world did you get
> RA> that self-pitying, paranoid idea from?  We're discussing taking CW off
> RA> a regulatory pedestal, not the air.
[snip]
> Well, if this isn't a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black!
> Most of the anti-code tirades I've read from the "No-Coders" also would
> fall into the category of "self-pitying, paranoid" ideas.  And the
> actual fact is, the majority of the "No-Coders" do actually want to see
> the literal abolishment of CW and Morse Code take place.  These are the
> ones who see the Morse Code as an "obsolete" technology, and the
> learning of it as a "waste of time" which could presumably be better
> spent on the development of the next generation of digital communications
> technology.

Only in *your* mind, Larry. Those of us who support making amateur
radio code test free don't necessarily wish to ban any form of
alphabetic encoding, or any form of carrier modulation in current
use. Many of us do expect usage of manual OOK Morse to wither away
over a period of time as better techniques displace it, much as AM
voice has withered away in the phone arena as the better SSB techniques
caught hold, but we don't call for a ban on its use. If you're still
around in 2020, you'll still be welcome to beep to your heart's content.

> The truth is, the code remains on it's "regulatory pedestal" due to it's
> effectiveness as a communications mode.  It is simply the most valuable
> skill an amateur radio operator can have.  The so-called "hams" who
> choose not to develop and use this skill, are severely deficient in their
> ability to provide emergency communications to the public.

This is nonsense. Manual Morse is nowhere near the top of the most
valuable skills an amateur can have, nor has it held an important
place in emergency communications for a long time. Over 90% of
emergency communications by amateurs is tactical in nature and is
conducted primarily on VHF/UHF FM voice. The remainder, mostly
bulk health and welfare traffic, is handled digitally on HF, or
by HF voice. It is now so rare as to be a major amateur news event
when manual Morse is used for primary emergency communications.
There are just too many better alternatives available.

> It all boils down to one thing...laziness on the part of those who
> won't make the effort to learn the code.  The "No-Coders" who post
> their arguments are, for the most part, simply jealous of those who
> did learn the code and are having fun using it.  A classic case of
> class envy.

At least some of us pushing for a code test free amateur radio, do
know manual Morse. Many of us were licensed at a time when there
was no alternative to passing a Morse test. Some, such as myself,
have even been amateurs long enough to remember when *use* of
Morse Code was actually a valuable skill for emergency and public
service communications. I handled thousands of serviceman messages
in the 1960s by Morse because that was the way it was done then,
though we handled as much as we could by RTTY even then. But newer
digital methods have replaced the old brass pounding days now, and
I think that's a very good thing. The new methods are faster and
more accurate ways to get the message through.

> Those of us who didn't want the "No-Code" concept are now living in
> a world we never made, and are seeing our predictions of it's effects
> on the Amateur Radio Service come true.  Sure, the numbers have gone
> up.  But the quality has been diluted significantly.  The two-meter
> band is now a consumer commodity.  And, of course, all these brilliant,
> computer-literate techno-whizzes, who can't be bothered to learn the
> code, are naturally giving us one amazing new breakthrough in high-
> speed digital communications a day, at least!  NOT!!!

That's *your* perspective. From my vantage, the code test free Tech
license has been a badly needed breath of fresh air into amateur
radio. We're growing again, the average age of licensed amateurs
has stopped increasing and may actually be declining (we won't know
the latter for sure until the ten year license renewal cycle purges
many of the silent keys from the roles). Many of our clubs have been
revitalized by the newcomers, who by and large are eager to do things
and eager to learn things. Like any incoming freshman class, they
have a *lot* to learn, and are looking for good mentors to show them
how to do things.

If you offer them an open hand of friendship, it's been my experience
that they respond well. However, if you give them the back of your hand,
or run off and hide on your private UHF repeaters, or the bottom of the
HF bands, then they adopt role models you may not like much. Testing has
little, if anything, to do with any of this. The new freshmen will emulate
the upper classmen. If you set a bad example, they'll follow. If OTOH you
offer good leadership, they'll follow that too.

It's always been this way, the only difference now is that growth rates
are back up to the healthy levels they were in the 1950s and early 1960s
rather than being at near stagnation levels as they have been for most of
the post '68 years. So naturally, you are seeing more newcomers than you
have gotten accustomed to seeing. Prior to the code test free Tech license,
it was unusual to meet one new amateur a month. Today, it is rare *not* to
meet one new amateur a week. This is a wonderful opportunity to help the
service grow and prosper in the coming years, unless you turn your back
and throw the opportunity away.

When I was first licensed at the beginning of the 60s, I was as green
as any of the new Techs (oh, sure, I could beep a little, but that
didn't mean squat). It was thanks to some very patient mentors that
I learned how to expand my horizons and become a productive member of
the amateur radio community. What are you doing today to be a mentor?
I'm certainly doing all I can to repay the patience and hard work that
my memtors spent on me during my first years in the service.

> All the No-Code concept has done so far is bring in a lot of ex-CB'ers
> who now stand around at the hamfests, their Radio Shack HTX-202's
> clipped to their belts, speaker mikes clipped to their T-shirts, and
> rubber-duckie nestled into their donut-filled bellies.  They jump on
> every peep heard on the repeater with their high-noise signals, and
> wonder why nobody wants to talk to them.  Sheez!

Well, with that attitude, we can all certainly hope they aren't
unfortunate enough to talk to *you*.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: HAM/AMATEUR ACRONYMS
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <3t1l4d$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (NW2L) writes:
>UHF - Ultra High Frequency, generally those between 300 and 1,000 MHz
>VHF - Very High Frequency, generally those between 30 and 300 MHz
>HF - High Frequency, generally those between 3 and 30 MHz (also known as
>short-wave)
>MW - Medium Wave, also medium frequencies, between 500 kHz and 3 MHz
>(you'll find the AM broadcast band here).
>LW - Long Wave - frequencies below 500 kHz

There's a pattern here. MW is 300 kHz to 3 MHz, and LW is 30 kHz
to 300 kHz. VLF is the area below 30 kHz. UHF stretches from 300 MHz to
3 GHz. Each step is a decade, and each breaks with a most significant
digit of 3. You had VHF and HF right, but missed on the others.

>SWR - Standing Wave Ratio -  a measure of antenna and feedline performance

Actually, more appropriately VSWR or ISWR designating whether you are
talking about voltage or current standing waves on the transmission
line. The particular value obtained may indicate good or bad things
about your transmission system depending on many variables which you
must factor in for any given measurement. A broad flat 1:1 VSWR may,
and often does, indicate something grossly wrong with your antenna
system. Remember, a dummy load has a flat 1:1 VSWR, but it's a lousy
antenna.

All a 1:1 VSWR indicates is that the load impedance matches the
characteristic impedance of the particular feedline you are using
at the frequency of measurement. This may be good or bad. For example,
if you are feeding a short vertical with a calculated base impedance
of 5 ohms using a 50 ohm cable, a 1:1 VSWR indicates you have 45 ohms
of loss resistance, and a horribly inefficient antenna system.

>DTMF - I forget what it stands for, but it's the tone system used in
>push-button phones and in many VHF/UHF amateur rigs for making phone calls
>and controlling various repeater functions

Dual Tone Multi-Frequency, also called Touchtone(tm). Each digit is
encoded as a pair of tones. The tones are arranged in a matrix following
the pattern of the typical TT pad on a Bell System phone.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Sven-arne Adolfsson)
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Subject: Help with Epson printer
Date: Sat,  1 Jul 1995 14:29:00 GMT
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Hello,
Inm need some help with the switch to a EPSON MX 80 FT
TERMINAL PRINTER  SERIAL NR.515654
Have you any manual for this printer and can help me with the switch so
the printer can work with a 486 PC in parallel mode.

Thanks for yourns help.
Sven-Arne Adolfsson
---
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:36 1995
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From: Burt M. Polson <[e-mail]>
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Misc. service manuals for sale cheap.  Email me for a list.
[e-mail]

--
~      Burt M. Polson      ~
~ [e-mail] ~
~   Share the Good News!   ~


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Harrison)
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Subject: 6 Meter Packet Activity
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Any 6 meter packet out there ?

I 1-min. beacon (1200 baud) on 50.620 or 51.700 MHz. Would like to know in
what areas, what 6m digi frequencies are being used.

And what about FEC & the TOR modes at the low end. Does 50.095 sound like a
good FEC beaconing freq ?

Your thoughts...

de Richard/NT2Z




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joel B Levin)
Subject: Re: TNX FER FB CW DURING FD
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In <[e-mail]>,
   Alan Braun <[e-mail] (Alan Braun)> wrote:

|In Article <phb.804187329@melpar>
|[e-mail] (Paul H. Bock) writes:

|>
|> N1NH was one station
|> which stood out, probably because we worked it on several bands and
|> because their category was *24A* (how in the world did you avoid
|> in-band interference with that many transmitters?)

|The idea of operating in a high class like that is to be the only one in
|it and thus assure yourself of winning your category.   The 24 doesn't
|mean they had that many transmitters on all the time, just that there were
|that many on at some point in the contest.  Usually what they do is have
|everyone key up their HT at once for a few seconds!

I refer you to Jim Heedles' (WW1Y) posts in this thread, but in a
period Saturday afternoon (I missed it unfortunately) N1NH was
operating CW and SSB on each band from 160 through 440 with
operations on several of the remaining bands including 900 ATV and
300GHz+.  Well, see Jim's posting.

|                                                  Probably they only had
|a few stations operating continuously, like all the rest of us.  Look at
|the scores in QST, they're not much higher (and in many cases are LOWER)
|for teams operating these huge numbers of transmitters than what most 2A
|and 3A groups have.

This is true.  The extra bands, usually in the UHF and higher, don't
yield great numbers of Qs; the main advantage is the per-transmitter
bonus.  The smaller stations often do so well because of the extra
point value per Q of operating on battery or QRP or somesuch; we
were operating in under 150W on field generated 240/110.

On the other hand, we had a lot of fun and gave a lot of newer hams
plenty of interesting and useful experience.

        /JBL  KD1ON
=

Nets: [e-mail]  | Those who cavalierly reject the Theory of
  or [e-mail]| Evolution, as not adequately supported by facts,
pots: [phone]  | seem quite to forget that their own theory is
ARS:  KD1ON          | supported by no facts at all.       --H. Spencer






From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lester Falkowski)
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Subject: GAP EAGLE DX VI antenna for sale $100
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    LosAngeles area hams: 40, 20, 17, 15, 12, 10 meters antenna.  Come
and pick it up. Will not ship.

e-mail [e-mail]
tel: [phone] (evenings)

Lester


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Marc DePaul)
Subject: Re: Dirty DXers
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Amen...

I remember having a wonderful (albeit short) contact with a man in
Senegal, Africa back in the early 80's...running 100 watts into a
lossy vertical...UNTIL someone in the US screamed "This is a rare
DX moment..."  The guy in Senegal could no longer hear me after I
was trampled under foot.

Piss on you DXers that are like that.


Marc


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
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Subject: Re: Dirty DXers
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Marc DePaul) says:

>Amen...
>
>I remember having a wonderful (albeit short) contact with a man in
>Senegal, Africa back in the early 80's...running 100 watts into a
>lossy vertical...UNTIL someone in the US screamed "This is a rare
>DX moment..."  The guy in Senegal could no longer hear me after I
>was trampled under foot.
>
>Piss on you DXers that are like that.
>
>
>Marc
>

Well, (1) We're not ALL like that!  A small percentage, maybe. But I know
it only takes ONE lid to ruin a QSO!

(2) Senegal is not a rare DX country. Perhaps it was in the early 80's
but I reacll it wasn't rare then, either. 6W6JX is on frequently; I have had
many nice ragchews with him and others in that country. The guy who did
that must not get on the air much!!   :-)

                                        73, Zack W9SZ


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:40 1995
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Subject: Re: cw is here to stay!
Date: 1 Jul 1995 18:37:52 GMT
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In article <3t19rk$[e-mail]>,
Tom Randolph <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Sorry, folks, but sometimes CW is a good choice. Maybe not the theoretically
>perfect or best choice, but a good one. Why is this so difficult to accept?
>Why MUST my backpacking trip advance the state of the art of radio? It's a
>vacation, not a master's thesis!

When are you guys going to stop knocking down this straw man? There is no
argument over whether you are to be allowed to use and enjoy CW. The
argument is over _CW TESTING_. Your posting had nothing to do with the
argument. Of course, sometimes CW is personally a good choice. Everyone has
accepted that as a fact (except in jest). Stop wasting bandwidth on .misc
and take it over to .policy

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (R. Wiley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Burt Fisher and mikes (??)
Date: 1 Jul 95 19:24:54 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:


>Harmonics? Like 4MHZ, 8 MHZ 12 MHZ?
>Only a ham would refer to a child as a frequency.

Yeah, I've always preferred hetrodyne.

>You do have the important part correct.
>What is your idea of a fantasy? Working a rare tropical island OR being on
>that island with your wife?

Are these mutualy exclusive? Most hams would rather take their
main squeeze to the island and include a DXpedition while
they are there.

Come on Burt, if you spent as much time as you imply
enjoying your wife we wouldn't see nearly as many of
your dim witted provcations. Are you trying to
attract our attention because you can't get any
from her?

NE0R



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Arck)
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Subject: VHF tropo open to BL10 HAWAII!
Date: 1 Jul 1995 20:09:27 GMT
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There has been a tropo opening for parts of the past few days,
and we have made VHF/UHF contacts with stations on the west coast
(USA) with 20-100 watts.  When we closed down, reports were 5-9.

We will be trying again today

  VHF: 144.2 MHz +/-

  UHF: 432.1 MHz


Satoshi Manabe/WH6CTO
Maui, Hawaii, USA/BL10
01 July 95 2000 UTC

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:43 1995
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-- [e-mail] (Ken Edwards) wrote:

>|> 1. Whatever I am, I am honest.
>
>This assertion can be easily proven false.  Anyone making inclusive statements
>about a large group of individuals, and claiming unflattering characteristics
>about all within that group is anything but honest.

What does an opinion have to do with telling the truth? You cannot point to a
single lie I have told. If I ever said ALL hams were anything, I was wrong. I
should have said MOST. Wrong is not the same as a lie.

>|> 2. I do not INTEND to upset people.
>
>Did you write this with a straight face ??

Absolutely.



>|> 5. Burt does not go away if ignored (why don't you practice what you preach?).

>
>Didn't you mean (6) ??   Really a teacher that cannot even count.  I agree
>that you will not go away with simple ignoring.  You will however, will
>refuse to respond to those who turn your (cough cough) "wit" (cough cough)
>back towards you.  So my advice to all those listening, give Burt his
>trouble maker attitude back, plus.

Yes I guess I was wrong again. I can count but cannot type. I respect wit. I
admit when I am defeated or wrong. You have caught me on some minor points.
There are those that with their wit make me look like a fool but you are not
one of those.



>Oh, yes Burt.  I expect you to ignore this as well !!

Like I am now?



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|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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What others say:

From: AL7DL@AL7DL
To: K1OIK
Subject: RE: Ugly (Ham) Americans

Greetings Burt;

I agree that American amateurs (DX types) are probably the rudest folks
on the face of the earth.  I'm sure the vast majority are just fine, but
it's the few that are after a dx contact at any cost that spoil amateur
radio for many a ham overseas.

I know this from personal experience as I have operated from many countries
while on temporary duty with the USAF (Jordan, England, Honduras, Equador,
Turkey, Spain, Italy, Japan, Korea, to name a few).  It seemed that, at times,
one couldn't even have a QSO with the 'locals' without a US ham breaking in
wanting a 'signal report'.  In many cases, I had to leave the air to get
some peace and quiet.  In even a minor pile-up, the US 'dx police force'
ruined the whole experience for me.  I wonder why there is such a drive for
the 'almighty' dxcc.  Another question is why the ARRL has the DXCC Honor
Roll...  Is it really an honor roll (or 'dis' honor roll)?  Through their
efforts to achieve DXCC are US amateurs really 'enhancing international
good will'?  I think not!  I found it better to operate VHF/UHF in the
countries I visited for I got to meet the hams of that country and
didn't have to worry about giving out that 'almighty' signal report to
aid a group of greedy dxers achieve their goal of 100 countries or more.
I wonder if dxing would be the same if one did not have the goal of getting
their call in the pages of CQ or QST and didn't get a piece of paper to
put on their wall.


               73, Bryce, AL7DL @ AL7DL.ALAMO.NM.USA.NOAM
                     (e-mail: [e-mail])
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:45 1995
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Date: 1 Jul 1995 21:32:03 GMT
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[e-mail] (Lewis Stephens) wrote:
>I want to put up a trapped wire for 80 - 10 meters. Space is a major
>problem. I own the house but the lot is small and the deed restrictions
>are large. I have no large trees to run a wire up to and the house is only
>about 23' tall at the peak.
>
>The question I have is can I put the wire up with a minimum ground
>clearance of 15' and use it as a modified sloping inverted vee with out
>too many problems? I want to tie to the chimney and the top ot the garage
>in one direction and the chimney and a elevated swallow house pole on the
>other leg. This will give me about 60 degrees of seperation with the
>'point' of the vee pointed upward to the east and the other two legs
>pointing nortwest and southwest.
>
>Will the wire be omnidirectional in this configuration or directional? I
>am a neopyhte at this and really need a little help. I am studing to take
>the ham tests and getting my 'shack' in order for the day when the ticket
>finally comes in.

Lewis:

What you describe will certainly not be optimum, however, it should work.  There may be some
directivity on some frequencies, but I wouldn't count on it. You may have to tinker with the
wire segment lengths some to maintain resonance, but that's what ham radio is all about
anyway.

With the proximity to house wiring that you will have, you may experience some mutual
interference to/from TV and telephone service.  This may require some extra effort to overcome
or may necessitate avoiding some freqencies.  You will just have to wait and see.

If it's any consolation (I'm almost ashamed to say this), I have two acres and no deed
restrictions but because my interest is mainly 2M CW/SSB, my HF antenna is a trapped dual-band
20/80 meter dipole 20ft high in the middle and about 10' at the ends.

With 100 W on 80 meters, I can work all of the US and have worked JA, VK, etc so don't
dispair.  Just stay out of contests :-)

Best wishes in your studies and many happy years of hamming.

Regards, Wes Stewart, N7WS



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Senie)
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Subject: Re: Shoddy work by RF Concepts
Date: 1 Jul 1995 21:43:03 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Ken Thompson <[e-mail]> wrote:
)They are the States' side reps and service for Diamond antennas.
)We had simular incompetent work on an antenna that made two round trips to
)them.

I believe you are confusing two companies. RF Parts is the USA rep for Diamond
as well as selling various power transistors and FETs.

RF Concepts is a part of Kantronics (or vice versa, they are always in one
booth at the trade shows, and are the same folks).

I've had reasonable luck with RF Concepts amps, and have seen problems with
some of them. Their construction is better than that of Mirage (not much of a
compliment for RF Concepts, since most anything would be a step up from
Mirage). They have no problems with you opening the case, and indeed you may
need to solder a jumper in a different position depending on keying line
interaction with your rig (if using SSB and hard keying). Mirage puts
stickers on the product indicating that opening the box voids your
warrantee. On consumer gear I suppose you can get away with that, but it's not
usually appreciated in the ham marketplace...

Dan
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 01/2330Z JULY 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 01 JULY AND FORECAST FOR 02 JULY - 04 JULY
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 79/19

GOES satellite data for 30 Jun
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   2.0E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 3.0E+07 (normal)
       X-ray background: A9.6
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             02 Jul             03 Jul             04 Jul
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 02 Jul: 80/20

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: mostly quiet to unsettled.

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 30 Jun
    Learmonth       11  4322 2322
    Fredericksburg  12                          12
    Planetary       15                          13

Observed Kp for 30 Jun: 3223 3334
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
02 Jul     6    Quiet
03 Jul     6    Quiet
04 Jul     6    Quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
01 Jul      normal         fair-normal    poor-normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
02 Jul      normal         fair-normal    fair-normal
03 Jul      normal         fair-normal    fair-normal
04 Jul      normal         fair-normal    fair-normal
COMMENT: Conditions at mid and high latitudes may have been
degraded early in the UT day on 01 July, due to geomagnetic
activity.
-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
01 Jul    35    enhanced during local night by 30-40%

Predicted Monthly T index for July: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
02 Jul    20    near predicted monthly values
03 Jul    20    near predicted monthly values
04 Jul    20    near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Townsville MUFs: occasional night-time Spread F.
Hobart MUFs: daylight depressions of 15-20%, night-time spread F,
occasional Sporadic E layer. Regular sporadic E layer and
night-time Spread F observed at Sydney.
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:50 1995
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[e-mail] (Lewis Stephens) wrote:
 >
 > I want to put up a trapped wire for 80 - 10 meters. Space is a major
 > problem. I own the house but the lot is small and the deed restrictions
 > are large. I have no large trees to run a wire up to and the house is only
 > about 23' tall at the peak.
 >
 > The question I have is can I put the wire up with a minimum ground
 > clearance of 15' and use it as a modified sloping inverted vee with out
 > too many problems? I want to tie to the chimney and the top ot the garage
 > in one direction and the chimney and a elevated swallow house pole on the
 > other leg. This will give me about 60 degrees of seperation with the
 > 'point' of the vee pointed upward to the east and the other two legs
 > pointing nortwest and southwest.
 >
 > Will the wire be omnidirectional in this configuration or directional? I
 > am a neopyhte at this and really need a little help. I am studing to take
 > the ham tests and getting my 'shack' in order for the day when the ticket
 > finally comes in.
 >
 > Thanks for the help in advance.
 >
 > Lewis Stephens

Since you have a space/height problem, just put up what you can and
use it.  In many cases like yours, a good antenna tuner is a big
asset, it may allow you to load whatever form of antenna that you
can get into the air.  I have found that low antennas can be somewhat
directional in unpredictable ways due to the close proximity of
surrounding objects.  Put it up and see what you get, it will
certainly be better than nothing.  Later you can try moving things
around to see if it might work better (or worse).

I personally use a 102 foot wire at about 25 feet strung from house
to tree to tree, it is painted with black, then green. then brown
paint to keep it from being obvious, and I feed it in the center
with ladder line just long enough to reach the tuner in the shack.
It's not the best, but it works, and the neighbors haven't called
in the covenant police yet.

In case you need a directional antenna for the low HF bands, first
get your antenna farm plot of ground (with no restrictions)
and go from there - the rest is easy by comparison.

GL & 73,
Don W3FPR

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:50 1995
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Would like advice as to repairing no output. Originally was 10w on cw and
113w on packet. Replaced x1, q3, ry1, q10 on main board. Now only rcvr.



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Horrock)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Icom HT's (was Re: Shoddy work by RF Concepts)
Date: 2 Jul 1995 01:06:33 -0400
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>Both Icom HT's I have
>owned (an IC-02AT and now an IC-W2A), had this white sticky stuff inside.

>In the W2A, it is on the metal sides of the RF stack units (I don't
remember
>where it was in the 02AT), and I tend to get it all over my fingers when
I
>open it up.  Anybody know what this stuff is for?
>

Heat sinking compound is my guess.  Nasty stuff.



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Great idea Chas. Those touting cw forever should work on this premise.
Once qualified, continue upgrading speeds according to ones age. At least
be able to read by ear that speed indicated by your present age. My 70th
birthday just past is now approaching 71. Will I make it? 73 gang...



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Great idea Chas. Those touting cw forever should work on this premise.
Once qualified, continue upgrading speeds according to ones age. At least
be able to read by ear that speed indicated by your present age. My 70th
birthday just past is now approaching 71. Will I make it? 73 gang...



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RUSSELL B. ROSLEWSKI)
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Subject: Icom HT's (was Re: Shoddy work by RF Concepts)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 01:21:44 GMT
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In article <3t4fhr$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Daniel Senie) writes:

>interaction with your rig (if using SSB and hard keying). Mirage puts
>stickers on the product indicating that opening the box voids your
>warrantee. On consumer gear I suppose you can get away with that, but it's not
>usually appreciated in the ham marketplace...

Although this has nothing to do with the previous topic, the talk about
opening up equipment made me think of this question:  Both Icom HT's I have
owned (an IC-02AT and now an IC-W2A), had this white sticky stuff inside.
In the W2A, it is on the metal sides of the RF stack units (I don't remember
where it was in the 02AT), and I tend to get it all over my fingers when I
open it up.  Anybody know what this stuff is for?

Thanks,
Russ  KI7FL

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:54 1995
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Subject: ARTOB launch on 07-02-95
Date: 2 Jul 1995 01:32:37 GMT
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 The Nienberge Amateur Radio Group (N46 of DARC) will launch an ARTOB this
 sunday.

 Location:      Sch÷ppinger Berg (NW Germany) JO32PC
 Date:  Sunday, 07-02-95
 Time:  12:00 UTC (Launch)
 Drifting direction:    probably to W/SW

 The balloon:
 Call sign:     DL0ART/am
 QRGs:  145.200 MHz:    data and call sign in cw;
                        also downlink when switched to repeater mode
        29 MHz:         uplink when switched to repeater mode; if so,
                        the exact frequency will be broadcasted on 145.200
 Mode:  FM
 ground teams:  talk back on DB0EG (R71),
                later on DB0PD (R84)

 This will probably be a 2 or 3 h flight.

 Any response and or reception reports will be highly appreciated. You may use
 the talk back frequencies for (short) reports (coordinator is DL3YBQ), or send a
 QSL card to DL9QJ via the buro. Any participation in using the repeater (if
 working) is also welcome, but please: use your ham spirit...

 The N46-ARTOB team is looking forward to all responses, suggestions and
 especially reports.

 I am aware that this information will only concern to hams living in the northern
 part of Germany or in the Netherlands, but maybe the balloon's sigs will be heard
 in even more distant places...
 Please forward this message to any ham who might be interested!

 For more information, please contact Oliver, DL9QJ (see below).

 I'm sorry that this message is posted only abt 40 h before the launch, but that is
 the time when we decide about it.

 Best 73, Oliver

 [Oliver Welp, DL9QJ, also N3NSF
  [e-mail]
  Tel./Fax: [phone]]





From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner WA3JPG)
Subject: IRCI filter paperwork
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Date: 2 Jul 95 01:57:26 GMT

Well, I finally got some paperwork for my IRCI CW filters for the
TS 940, I thank those who replied and offered help.  I had explained
that I received obnoxious treatment from IRCI, and also got some
similar reports from others.

Well, now I HAVE the paperwork for the TS 940 CW filters from IRCI.
If anyone needs it, I am happy to help you :-) .

Clark
WA3JPG


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:55 1995
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Could you e-mail me a site to down load morse code tutorial software.
My neighbor is getting the bug.

thanks,
wayne
wa6lla




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:56 1995
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From: wayne <[e-mail]>
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Could you e-mail me a site to down load morse code tutorial software.
My neighbor is getting the bug.

thanks,
wayne
wa6lla




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could you email me a source of Code tutorial software for mac. My
neighbor is getting the bug.

thanks,
wayne
WA6LLA




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:10:59 1995
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

>  > If the code speed were to be lowered then I'd like to see a new
>  > element required: Each examinee would have to demonstrate to the VEs
>  > a homebuilt transmitter for an HF band of their choice, showing that
>  > it works and meets all applicable specs. The VEs could provide the
>  > necessary test equipment.

>  Well, lets see, what kind of parts are you going to make them use?

They can use any parts they'd like. But they should be prepared to
explain how each stage operates.

>  And (sic) old 1625 tetrode with the base knocked off to gain access to the
>  screen grid? What chassis materials (if any) are required. Transistors
>  ok as long as they are point contact germanium? How about capacitors.
>  Waxed paper and glass too modern, should we use Leyden jars instead?
>  Perhaps IC's would be acceptable if the were connected with Fahenstock
>  clips. (So they don't "just snap in".)

Whatever works. Kind of stupid suggestions, though.

>  > I'd like to see this even applied to the Tech examinees, where they
>  > would be required to provide a homebuilt VHF or UHF rig.

>  Lecher wires to tune the grid and plate. At least you'd know what freq.
>  you're on.

Whatever works.

>  > I believe the extra 5 to 10 minutes necessary per examinee would be time
>  > very well spent.

>  Only 5-10 minutes to demostrate that the rig works at all, or to spec all
>  the performances. Such as spurious radiation, phase noise etc? Or just that
>  it doesn't set the examiners table on fire?

A spectrum analyzer should be helpful.

>  > To those who will balk and say that they aren't going into ham radio
>  > to build things, I ask them to explain why they're being tested on
>  > basic electronics (Ohm's law, reactance formulas, resonance formula).

>  They ask these things because they have some bearing on electronics in
>  general...

Reactance and resonance formulas are pretty specific to RF.

>  That sort of stuff.

Very specific comment. Pretty well sums up your article.

>  Besides, even this wouldn't work. Not 20 minutes after the FCC released
>  the R&O, Gordon West and W5YI would have License Transmitter Kits on the
>  market.

Say Angus, there are already kits on the market. The folks on the
QRP email list seem to believe  that kits are homebrew (I disagree).
Certainly the VEs would be able to spot a commercially made p.c. board.
Point-to-point, `dead-bug', or a homebuilt p.c. board could be among
the wiring options.

>  Besides which, I thought CW was supposed to act like the lid filter. How
>  can soldering a few parts together from a Gordon West kit do that?

The xmtr can operate any mode. And CW is not a lid filter - just listen
to the voice subbands. The fact that HF lids exist shows that just about
anyone can pass a fill-in-the-blank code test.

>    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  ..."

Ideas won't blow your head off. You love to quote Hitler and Stalin -
are they your heros?

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Todd Perry)
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Subject: Re: Magneto Telegraph
Date: 2 Jul 1995 04:43:19 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>
>Last week on a tour of the Fredericksburg, VA Civil War
>battlefields I saw at one of the U.S. Park Service
>tour centers a telegraph instrument called Beardslee's
>Magneto Telegraph.  It was in a wooden case approximately
>2 feet wide, 1 1/2 feet high and 1 1/2 feet deep.
>
>It was described as a telegraph instrument which could
>be used without the need of the operator to know
>any code and was capable of 7 to 15 words per minute.
>There was no explanation of its electrical mode of operation
>except to say that no batteries were required.
>

        I don't remember the Beardslee specifically, but there were many
different types of actuator arrangements out there, even that early. If you're
in the Washington area, there's a nice exhibit at the Museum of American
History about the evolution of data processing (which, BTW, has a station run
by a local amateur group as part of it). It includes several arrangements for
"no-code" transmission over telegraph. One of the earliest used a series of
arrows that could deflect one of two ways. I think the system used different
wire pairs for each arrow. The letters were arranged in a diamond formation
(like if you put all the letters of the alphabet around the outside of ARRL
symbol and put a series of arrows horizontally across the middle of it). The
arrows would deflect and point out a letter. The transmitting station was a
rotary wheel, I think. You selected the letter to be sent and made the
connection. It looked like the recieving end broke it (signifying copy, I
assume). Anyway... I'm not really a historian, but I really liked the exhibit.
--
                        Regards,
                        R. T. Perry
                        KF4BAL
                        GMOO
- The world is divided into two groups of people: Those that own HP's
and those that yell "HEY! Where's the equals sign?"



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Y. Liu)
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Subject: Re: Unlicensed ops
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I found him in the call book now!, but may people think his is using
>someone elses call. He is using the correct name but sometimes he
>does not seem to know his own age (18 or 40 something). I have not
>heard him for a week now. Maybe someone caught up with him.
>
When enough people know about him, and learn to ignore him just like
we ignore deliberate interfere, he may go away - or at least go to some
other repeater.

KE6GPF, John



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:02 1995
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From: Don Latimer <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Antenna Deed Restrictions in Flordia
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Fellow Operators:

I live in a deed restricted community in the Tampa Bay area.  I should
have known better.  Anyway, there is an antenna restriction that
prohibits all types, including satellite dishes since the restrictions
were drafted in 1980.  Seems to me they are a little outdated with the
pace of technology.  If I decided to erect the tower that I've wanted
since I was 12 years old, what are my changes of being successful at
challenging the restrictions?  Has anyone in this area had a simular
experience?  I am new to the Bay area (and Flordia in general) and don't
know where to start researching this.  I am assuming that what is imposed
on me is a restriction from the local home owners association and not a
local city/county ordinance, because I see all types of antenna farms in
other non-restricted communities.  Its hard for me to believe that these
restrictions carry any weight in regard to amateurs with the frequency of
emergency management activity in this area and its value to the
community.  Any direction, suggestions, or support you can provide via
EMAIL or this newsgroup would be most helpful.  TNX

73,

Don, N5KHB

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James Messer)
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Subject: How to _remove_ a ground rod?
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I've had a ground rod installed in a location for about a year, and
now I'm moving.  I'd like to take the ground rod with me (ten bucks is
ten bucks, after all), but I'm not sure the easiest way to get this
rod out of the ground!  Can anyone offer suggestions?

I'll be installing the rod into a new location.  I got the first rod
into the ground with brute force; can anyone give some ideas on what
might be easier ways to get a ground rod into the earth?

Thanks for any info!
James Messer
KE4LAY



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gene Williamson)
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Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc. (QCWA), headquartered in
Eugene, OR, is pleased to announce the QCWA World Wide Web Home Page,
available by either text or graphic browser at

http://www.efn.org/~qcwa

Membership in QCWA, a not-for-profit 501(c)(3) corporation, is open to any
radio amateur licensed today AND also licensed 25 years or more ago (there
is NO REQUIREMENT for continuous licensing over this time period -- if you
received your first ham licens e on or before January 1, 1970, you're now
eligible). Included on the Web page are:

-  Photos, biographies, addresses and phone numbers of QCWA 1995-1996
Officers and Directors
- Database of local Chapters (nearly 200,
worldwide), including name, address, and call of Chapter Secretary
- Listing of on-the-air Chapter meetings
- Details of upcoming National
Convention -- with photos, as soon as we receive them
- A few words about
the quarterly QCWA Journal (we hope soon to have excerpts from Editor
Barry Wiseman's new, improved Journal available to you on the Web)
- Rules
and schedule for QCWA Phone and CW QSO Parties
- QCWA Memorial Scholarship
Program
- Criteria for and recent winners of QCWA Awards
- A Photo Tour of
QCWA Headquarters and W2MM/7 memorial station (soon to display a spiffy
new IC-738 . . . THANK YOU, ICOM!)
- Links to other interesting
ham-related Web sites.

Please visit QCWA on the Web . . . and take a moment to email General
Manager Jim Walsh, W7LVN ([e-mail]) with your comments, corrections,
and suggestions. If you administer a ham-related Web site, QCWA would
appreciate a Link from your page. We're 12,000-strong -- worldwide -- and
growing! Come join us!

73 Gene K7DBV                     [e-mail]






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Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc. (QCWA), headquartered in Eugene, OR, is pleased to announce the QCWA World Wide Web Home Page, available by eit

http://www.efn.org/~qcwa

Membership in QCWA, a not-for-profit 501(c)(3) corporation, is open to any radio amateur licensed today AND also licensed 25 years or more ago (there is N
e on or before January 1, 1970, you're now eligible). Included on the Web page are:

-  Photos, biographies, addresses and phone numbers of QCWA 1995-1996 Officers and Directors
-  Database of local Chapters (nearly 200, worldwide), including name, address, and call of Chapter Secretary
-  Listing of on-the-air Chapter meetings
-  Details of upcoming National Convention -- with photos, as soon as we receive them
-  A few words about the quarterly QCWA Journal (we hope soon to have excerpts from Editor Barry Wiseman's new, improved Journal available to you on the W
-  Rules and schedule for QCWA Phone and CW QSO Parties
-  QCWA Memorial Scholarship Program
-  Criteria for and recent winners of QCWA Awards
- A Photo Tour of QCWA Headquarters and W2MM/7 memorial station (soon to display a spiffy new IC-738 . . . THANK YOU, ICOM!)
-  Links to other interesting ham-related Web sites.

Please visit QCWA on the Web . . . and take a moment to email General Manager Jim Walsh, W7LVN ([e-mail]) with your comments, corrections, and sugge
12,000-strong -- worldwide -- and growing! Come join us!

73 Gene K7DBV                     [e-mail]






From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lazaro Munoz)
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Subject: Re: Where is a ham "for sale " newsgroup?
Date: 2 Jul 1995 08:30:46 -0400
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I have noticed that the threads on this newsgroup tend to be very long and
winded (this is not meant to flame).  I have now discovered the key to this
media's, the internet news, superiority over amateur radio.  With the
proper mail reader one has the luxury of filter rules.

;) Boy was my up-arrow finger getting tired.

73 de N2PUK (Laz)
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lewis Stephens)
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In article <3t4esj$[e-mail]>, Wes Stewart
<[e-mail]> wrote:


Snip>


> Lewis:
>
> What you describe will certainly not be optimum, however, it should
work.  There may be some
> directivity on some frequencies, but I wouldn't count on it. You may
have to tinker with the
> wire segment lengths some to maintain resonance, but that's what ham
radio is all about
> anyway.
>
> With the proximity to house wiring that you will have, you may
experience some mutual
> interference to/from TV and telephone service.  This may require some
extra effort to overcome
> or may necessitate avoiding some freqencies.  You will just have to wait
and see.
>
> If it's any consolation (I'm almost ashamed to say this), I have two
acres and no deed
> restrictions but because my interest is mainly 2M CW/SSB, my HF antenna
is a trapped dual-band
> 20/80 meter dipole 20ft high in the middle and about 10' at the ends.
>
> With 100 W on 80 meters, I can work all of the US and have worked JA,
VK, etc so don't
> dispair.  Just stay out of contests :-)
>
> Best wishes in your studies and many happy years of hamming.
>
> Regards, Wes Stewart, N7WS

The warning about household wiring was something I hadn't considered.
After reading your message, I have started to consider a different
location for the wire. I think I can get the center up about 20'-25' and
the ends about 12' by adding a couple of more bird houses in the back
yard. This would let me stretch it out above the back fence which is 72'
long.  I'm going to try both for a couple of days and see which if any
will hear better. I'll be glad when the next exam day comes. I think I
have the written, now if the code will come.

Lewis

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From: [e-mail] (Lewis Stephens)
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Subject: Re: How to _remove_ a ground rod?
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In article <3t58j6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (James
Messer) wrote:

> I've had a ground rod installed in a location for about a year, and
> now I'm moving.  I'd like to take the ground rod with me (ten bucks is
> ten bucks, after all), but I'm not sure the easiest way to get this
> rod out of the ground!  Can anyone offer suggestions?
>
> I'll be installing the rod into a new location.  I got the first rod
> into the ground with brute force; can anyone give some ideas on what
> might be easier ways to get a ground rod into the earth?
>
> Thanks for any info!
> James Messer
> KE4LAY

There is no easy way. The earth around the rod are going to cling to the
rod and hold it down. A back hoe and a bull dog grip are what we use at
work. I am a industrial electrician and have this problem from time to
time. Spend the ten bucks.

Lewis

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Lewis Stephens         [e-mail]     Pasadena,Texas
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In article <3t4esj$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:
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> From: Wes Stewart <[e-mail]>
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>
> [e-mail] (Lewis Stephens) wrote:
> >I want to put up a trapped wire for 80 - 10 meters. Space is a major
> >problem. I own the house but the lot is small and the deed restrictions
> >are large. I have no large trees to run a wire up to and the house is only
> >about 23' tall at the peak.
> >
> >The question I have is can I put the wire up with a minimum ground
> >clearance of 15' and use it as a modified sloping inverted vee with out
> >too many problems? I want to tie to the chimney and the top ot the garage
> >in one direction and the chimney and a elevated swallow house pole on the
> >other leg. This will give me about 60 degrees of seperation with the
> >'point' of the vee pointed upward to the east and the other two legs
> >pointing nortwest and southwest.
> >
> >Will the wire be omnidirectional in this configuration or directional? I
> >am a neopyhte at this and really need a little help. I am studing to take
> >the ham tests and getting my 'shack' in order for the day when the ticket
> >finally comes in.
>
> Lewis:
>
> What you describe will certainly not be optimum, however, it should work.
There may be some
> directivity on some frequencies, but I wouldn't count on it. You may have to
tinker with the
> wire segment lengths some to maintain resonance, but that's what ham radio is
all about
> anyway.
>
> With the proximity to house wiring that you will have, you may experience
some mutual
> interference to/from TV and telephone service.  This may require some extra
effort to overcome
> or may necessitate avoiding some freqencies.  You will just have to wait and
see.
>
> If it's any consolation (I'm almost ashamed to say this), I have two acres
and no deed
> restrictions but because my interest is mainly 2M CW/SSB, my HF antenna is a
trapped dual-band
> 20/80 meter dipole 20ft high in the middle and about 10' at the ends.
>
> With 100 W on 80 meters, I can work all of the US and have worked JA, VK, etc
so don't
> dispair.  Just stay out of contests :-)
>
> Best wishes in your studies and many happy years of hamming.
>
> Regards, Wes Stewart, N7WS
>
>




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:11 1995
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Subject: Re: CW
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 1995 09:30:00 -0500
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]

ML>Great idea Chas. Those touting cw forever should work on this premise.
ML>Once qualified, continue upgrading speeds according to ones age. At least
ML>be able to read by ear that speed indicated by your present age. My 70th
ML>birthday just past is now approaching 71. Will I make it? 73 gang...

Amplitude of sense of humor is clearly inversely proprtional to age!
:-)
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Gullible isn't in the dictionary. Really, go ahead, look!



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lewis Stephens)
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Subject: Re: Antenna Deed Restrictions in Flordia
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 1995 09:31:39 -0600
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In article <3t5br7$[e-mail]>, Don Latimer
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Fellow Operators:
>
> I live in a deed restricted community in the Tampa Bay area.  I should
> have known better.  Anyway, there is an antenna restriction that
> prohibits all types, including satellite dishes since the restrictions
> were drafted in 1980.  Seems to me they are a little outdated with the
> pace of technology.  If I decided to erect the tower that I've wanted
> since I was 12 years old, what are my changes of being successful at
> challenging the restrictions?  Has anyone in this area had a simular
> experience?  I am new to the Bay area (and Flordia in general) and don't
> know where to start researching this.  I am assuming that what is imposed
> on me is a restriction from the local home owners association and not a
> local city/county ordinance, because I see all types of antenna farms in
> other non-restricted communities.  Its hard for me to believe that these
> restrictions carry any weight in regard to amateurs with the frequency of
> emergency management activity in this area and its value to the
> community.  Any direction, suggestions, or support you can provide via
> EMAIL or this newsgroup would be most helpful.  TNX
>
> 73,
>
> Don, N5KHB
>
> [e-mail]

I have the same prlem and I believe that the deed restrictions cannot be
overcome. A deed restriction is a voluntary contract entered into by
several paties. It were a law you could fight it. A signed contract would
be a tougher cookie to crack. I am afraid a court would tell you that you
signed it and will be required to live with it.
Sorry,

Lewis

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian R. Buckstiegel)
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Subject: 73cm Freq in So. Michigan??
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 1995 10:28:55
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Looking for 70cm repeater frequencies in the Michigan Tri Cities area.

Appreciate the info :)

73's
______________________
Brian R. Buckstiegel
Saginaw, Michigan USA
[e-mail]
www.cris.com/~Buck9166
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Markmann)
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Subject: Radio Kit Sources
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Summary: Would like the list again please.

I know this list was posted just last week, but of course after it
dissappears is when I realised that I should have grabbed it. Would the
person who posted the 7 parts originally kindly mail them to me? It would be
much appreciated.

Michael
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Markmann)
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Subject: Info on launching balloons with Amateur Radio needed
Date: 2 Jul 1995 11:28:42 -0500
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Summary: Looking for sources of info
Keywords: balloons, amateur radio

I am looking for info on all aspects of launching weather balloons carrying
amateur radio equipment and experiments. Some places that I know of that
have launched balloons are in Iowa, Colorado, and I believe Texas. Any and
all information on radios, TNCs, antennas, telemetry, control, packaging,
size and type of balloon, launching and recovery, liability, and any other
details or pointers to sources of info will be greatly appreciated. I am
especially interested in the experiences of other groups who have done this
type of thing.

Thanks in advance

Michael Markmann
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn Skinner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to _remove_ a ground rod?
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 95 12:02:34 GMT
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In article <3t6s6a$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Larry Shilkoff) wrote:
>=In <3t58j6$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James Messer)
>=writes:
>=>

>=> but I'm not sure the easiest way to get this
>=>rod out of the ground!  Can anyone offer suggestions?

As was said before... spend the $10, or dig a big hole.


>=>I'll be installing the rod into a new location.  I got the first
>=>rod into the ground with brute force; can anyone give some
>=>ideas on what might be easier ways to get a ground rod into
>=> the earth?
>=>
>=>James Messer
>=>KE4LAY

Ground Rod installation:
Large steel pipe, 2.5 foot plus or minus, smaller pipe, 1/2 the
length of the large pipe, thread on end caps for both.
Smaller pipe is just a bit bigger diameter than the ground rod.
Fill larger pipe a little mor than 1/2 full with cement (no rocks)
and push smaller pipe into larger (end cap first) till flush.
Fill any remaining space with cement (plug small pipe with rag).
Let set, and remove rag plug on small pipe.
Weld rebar handles to large pipe near the middle.
Insert small pipe over ground rod, and lift handles.
Let go.

For faster insertion mix lead shot into cement.

Also, Possibly one of your local Electricians might have
this monster allready made.

Disclaimer:
Consult your Doctor before trying this or any other excercise
program.

73 de Shawn, N7XBM.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:15 1995
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From: "Charles Jack Hawley Jr." <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: [REQ] Motorola Syntor PROM info?
Date: 2 Jul 1995 13:22:52 GMT
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Send a request to [e-mail]. He, Jeff, and another fellow are
developing a kit, and built interface for the syntor.
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BMW K100RS, BMWMOA #224 (A.K.A. 'Jack' in Motorcycles)
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:16 1995
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Subject: Re: Icom HT's (was Re: Shoddy work by RF Concepts)
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>Although this has nothing to do with the previous topic, the talk about
>opening up equipment made me think of this question:  Both Icom HT's I have
>owned (an IC-02AT and now an IC-W2A), had this white sticky stuff inside.
>In the W2A, it is on the metal sides of the RF stack units (I don't remember
>where it was in the 02AT), and I tend to get it all over my fingers when I
>open it up.  Anybody know what this stuff is for?

i'd say it's Heat sink grease   i guess....

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Leon D. Zetekoff)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Antenna Deed Restrictions in Flordia
Date: 2 Jul 1995 14:10:02 GMT
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Don Latimer ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I live in a deed restricted community in the Tampa Bay area.  I should
: have known better.  Anyway, there is an antenna restriction that
: prohibits all types, including satellite dishes since the restrictions
: were drafted in 1980.  Seems to me they are a little outdated with the

DOn: it is an uphill battle. I lived in a homeowners area for 10 years
till my new wife and I moved to a larger house in january. I was able to
get a tower there but it was due to the work of another ham/owner who did
some behind the scenes work before the association was turned over to the
homeowners. I did, tho, file an official application before he started
all that.

Your best bet is to get the ARRL kit and draft an application to ur
architectural board or BofD asking for a waiver. Load them down with
paper and documentation. Tell them u want to appear before the board to
plead ur case.

Then get your local RACES/ARES group to help u out. Instill the fear of
what Andrew did and how amateur radio played a pivotal role in florida.

The other alternative is talking to an attorney familiar with radio and
condo law (arrl can help there too to point u to someone in ur area) and
see what they have to say.

Exactly what is the wording in the documents?

Take care Leon WA4ZLW


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Senie)
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Subject: Re: amateur radi obsolete?
Date: 2 Jul 1995 14:23:10 GMT
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In article <3t39g8$[e-mail]>,
Burt Fisher  <[e-mail]> wrote:
)[e-mail] wrote:
)
)>When I was in the USAF, several commanders ordered our MARS stations
)>closed because "we don't need the capability now that we have cellular
)>phones".  Same logic.  What idiots.  And the comm people didn't even
)>argue.  Bigger idiots.
)
)You are the idiot.
)In most areas ham radio serves no purpose other than to cause old fat white
)dirty men to sit on their butts. There are exceptions but they are
)EXCEPTIONS.

Perhaps you have just defined yourself. Let the rest of us stand on
our own merits. Since you have made such an authoritative statement
as to the physical, hygienic and kinetic attributes of the Amateur Radio
community, you could back up your statements with the data used to make
these sweeping statements?

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Randy Beavers)
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Subject: 5.11 link day to cols down
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      A sat. night with out  the round table is like not
breathing for a week.  I am BLUE... link been down for 2
sat. in a row.
      HELP   Shirly..................


a very short wave (scanner) monitor





From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (MICHAEL CARR)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham Group in W. Los Angeles
Date: 2 Jul 1995 15:31:02 GMT
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Can anyone provide me with some information about ham groups in West
Los Angeles?  I am a new ham, I received my Tech license a few months
ago, but with other commitments I have not been able to jump in with
both feet.  Any advice about local groups or suggestions on getting
started is appreciated.

Michael
ke6plk


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher Trask)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help with Epson printer
Date: 2 Jul 1995 17:15:44 GMT
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Sven-arne Adolfsson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hello,
: Inm need some help with the switch to a EPSON MX 80 FT
: TERMINAL PRINTER  SERIAL NR.515654
: Have you any manual for this printer and can help me with the switch so
: the printer can work with a 486 PC in parallel mode.

: Thanks for yourns help.
: Sven-Arne Adolfsson

        If the MX-80 is similar to the FX-80 in terms of the switches,
        I can be of some help.  From the FX-80 manual:

        SW1-1   Print mode at power on          OFF     Pica
                                                ON      Condensed

        SW1-2   ZERO Font                       OFF     O
                                                ON      0

        SW1-3   Paper-end detector              OFF     Valid
                                                ON      Invalid

        SW1-4   Input Buffer                    OFF     Invalid
                                                ON      Valid

        SW1-5   Print mode at Power on          OFF     Pica
                                                ON      Emphasized

        SW1-6 through SW1-8     International
                                Character set

                                USA             ON      ON      ON
                                France          ON      ON      OFF
                                Germany         ON      OFF     ON
                                England         ON      OFF     OFF
                                Denmark         OFF     ON      ON
                                Sweden          OFF     ON      OFF
                                Italy           OFF     OFF     ON
                                Spain           OFF     OFF     OFF


        SW2-1   SLCT IN signal                  OFF     Not fixed
                                                ON      Fixed

        SW2-2   Buzzer                          OFF     Invalid
                                                ON      Valid

        SW2-3   Skip-over perforation           OFF     Invalid
                                                ON      Valid

        SW2-4   Line feed                       OFF     LF from host
                                                ON      Auto LF with CR


From the factory:

        SW1-1   OFF                     SW2-1   ON
        SW1-2   OFF                     SW2-2   ON
        SW1-3   OFF                     SW2-3   OFF
        SW1-4   OFF                     SW2-4   OFF
        SW1-5   OFF

Hope this is of some help


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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:22 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: New Ham needs help/advice BADLY!
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[e-mail] (Keith Wyatt) writes:

> Tom T. Shaffer ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
> : Howdy Hi!  1st off thanks for like reading this.. now to the point.
> : ok i recently got my ham tix (nc-tech) and am struggling' with cw so what
> : I'm asking' is aloe, yet simple.  1) What is the Best CW trainer for the
>(stuff deleted)
> : The whole Cw is old debate is really annoying, cw is there to get QSO's
> : outta places where otr modes are impossible, granted i Cannot spell :)
> : but i think CW is a good req. when the CB radio became un-reg'ed it blew
> : it to heck! SO just live with cw, just make it easy for me :)

> And you wonder why so many people are against no code on ham radio!

Hey Keith, knock it off. Tom wants to upgrade - encourage the fellow.

Tom: Whatever Morse trainer you use here is a bit of unusual advice.
Once you know the alphabet and numbers, start off each practice session
at an extremely fast speed, such a 25wpm (no kidding!). After a few
minutes of just listening (no writing), slow it down to say, 20wpm.
Each minute or two decrease until you finally get down to the speed
that you were able to copy at the previous day. You'll be shocked
that yesterday's speed will seem so slow!

Never stay at a speed you feel comfortable with - when you're able
to get 50% copy at one speed, move up a notch. Don't wait for 100%
copy to occure before you move up.

Also, set the *character* speed for 22wpm - you don't want to hear
the individual   dit  dah   of the letter A  - you want to hear just
the single  didah  sound. So at say 7wpm the characters will be sent
at 20wpm with lots of space between characters. This is one of the
most important techniques in learning the code - hear the sound of
a character, not its individual elements.

Spend some of your practice time *not* writing anything. Just sit
back and relax and listen. Do some work in the shack with the
code running. When you're in the shack preparing some coax for
an antenna or whatever, keep an HF receiver on a fast CW QSO
and passively attempt to do some `head copy'. After awhile you'll
start picking up bits and pieces of the QSO. Keep at it and
you eventually not have to write anything down. That's when
Morse starts sounding like a language - music to the ears!

73 from Hawaii,
Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:23 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: ? open 440 repeaters
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[e-mail] (Kevin Karamanos ) writes:
>[e-mail] writes:
>>[e-mail] writes:

>>>equipment is MUCH harder to come by than it is for 440. Some ham
>>>manufacturers have dropped 220 radios from their line entirely,

>>But why do the manufacturers have to dictate what bands hams operate
>on?
>>My Elmer, WA6AIG, and his buddies ("Rag and Tech Net") built all their
>>own 220 gear back in the mid-60s (they had to - I don't believe there
>>was any commercial gear available [surplus mil gear excluded]); what
>>prevents today's VHF ops from doing the same?

>Most Amateur manufacturers are making less 220 MHz equipment today
>since 220 MHz Amateur can only be used in 2 countries around the world.
> 2m and 440 MHz Amateur can be used in over 130 countries.  So we will
>see a more and more 2m and 440 MHz gear. Very little 220 MHz gear in
>the future.  Don't forget 1.2 GHz band (1240~1300 MHz).  You can now
>use 1.2 GHz amateur gear in over 40 contries..

You didn't address my question (you didn't even come close!). Why
be dependent upon the manufacturers?

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:23 1995
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Subject: Re: CW is here to stay !!
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[e-mail] (Shawn C. Masters) writes:

>       I was just showing that rag chewing can be as effective on the
>internet.  So many people say, who you going to talk to, or how are you
>going to communicate.  Well this forum seems to have brought more people
>and diverse view together then most amatuer communications I've seen.  So
>if it's quirks of CW and HF you are looking for, I thought I'd let them
>know they can be accomodated:-).

I just shared this with my South Pacific buddies on 20M. They all
laughed since there's no internet connection on the islands they
live on. One fellow didn't laugh, though. His only response was
"What's internet?"

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:26 1995
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Subject: Re: C.W. defined (code forever et.al.) (LONG!)
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Gerald Schmitt <[e-mail]> writes:

>As the original author, I agree it was a bit strong but the response
>has been most enlightening. The strongly religious Herman and Wyatt both
>answered as if they had neither read nor understood my post.
>Thinking that perhaps I had not made my points clearly enough I wrote
>private e-mail to both. I tried to explain that I didn't want a free HF
>ticket (I actually have HF CW privileges) but was challenging the
>utility of CW in a changing world.
>From Wyatt nothing, not responsive but at least not insulting. From Herman
>a very full of him self (or full of something) e-mail requesting that I not
>darken the door of his e-mail but to only respond in news groups. Ok Jeff
>here it is:

Hi Gerald, you have my permission to show the entire world the email
I wrote you. I thought it was very nice. You're lying through your
teeth calling it insulting. You shouldn't have to resort to slander
to defend your position. Accept my dare and post the email.

Should Gerald back down and not post the email let me say that I
began by telling him that I do not want the code debate carried
into my mailbox. To see an anti-code email when I arrive for work
in the morning (when I was only expecting personal and  math-related
email) is distasteful. I asked him to keep the code debate on the
newsgroups. He ignored my request and insisted upon sending me
another.

Included in my email were some of my reasons I felt the code should
continue to be tested for - here's the exact paragraph:


``We are the last line of communications for our city, county, state,
and nation. This is demonstrated each year when hams are called upon
to provide communications in place of professional systems distroyed
due to Nature displaying her strength and fury. Because of this tre-
mendous responsibility we carry (and this responsibility is one of the
reasons for the existance of our service - see section 97.1 of the CFR)
we sould be able to demonstrate the ability to communicate with as little
hardware as  possible. We  should be able to use our given senses in
place of relying upon exotic equipment. Manually encoded CW, along with
our sense of hearing and our mental powers, provides an unfailable means
to conduct communications in any situation imaginable. Every HF amateur
worldwide has a CW-capable transceiver at his/her fingertips. VHF FM
will not provide reliable communications for the passing of statewide,
national and international traffic during times of widespread disaster,
due to the limited propagation at those frequencies and because widespread
power outages will disable repeaters (or their battery banks will even-
tually die). Thus, all amateurs wishing to be awarded the privilege
of operating below 30 Mc should fully meet the code requirements as
set forth by the ITU. CW might not be everyone's mode of choice for
their daily ham activities, but it must remain the common denominator
of all hams worldwide.''

Not bad, huh? No insults thrown at all.

>...lid filter.

Another lie! I've always said that the code is not a lid filter -
just witness all the lids on the phone subbands. Almost anyone
can pass today's fill-in-the-blank code test; some pass just by
guessing. My contention is that there are very few lids on the
CW subbands.

>In fact the ravings by you and Mr. Wyatt do

What ravings?

>If the non-responsive replies from
>you (twice)

Another lie. I responded with the above long paragraph ``*''.

>and Wyatt are an indication of the comprehension of CW ops
>it proves my point that they copy little and assume much.

Run that by me again - copy what? Assume what?

>A quick visit
>to the May call cdrom shows Herman a general. Why not advanced or extra?

Well, first there was the B.S. in Math to earn. Then there was the
M.A. in Math to earn. Now there is the Ph.D. in Math to earn. I promise
I'll upgrade when I finish my academics.

>Perhaps too technical? Inquiring minds want to know.

Nah. I have trouble with the 20wpm code - it's too slow. Too technical?
Remember, I'm the one asking everyone to go back to building at least
some of their gear. We've got too many appliance operators and not
enough homebrewers.

>

Why didn't you sign your slanderous post, Gerald?

73 from lovely Hawaii,
Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jonathan Swan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: trip to G-land
Date: Sun,  2 Jul 1995 18:57:47 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: WELCOM BBS
Distribution: world
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It's a L O N G time since I was Hamming in U.K., but I can assure you
things are still humming along under the care of the RSGB  ( Radio
Society of Great Britain) ... they have monthly mags etc, that surely
should be aroun din USA  ( we get them easily here in New Zealand !)
Try Short Wave Mag etc.  Do you have WWW access ? I believe they are
email contactable too. BTW most hand helds have options to switch in
that 1700Hz tone as needed, so you wonted need to whistle !  ZL2AJZ


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What others say:
Date: 2 Jul 1995 19:17:14 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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>
>What others say:
>
>From: AL7DL@AL7DL
>To: K1OIK
>

"OTHERS"?  I only see one response!    :-))

                                        Zack W9SZ


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Shilkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to _remove_ a ground rod?
Date: 2 Jul 1995 19:31:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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Distribution: world
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References: <3t58j6$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-wh3-05.ix.netcom.com

In <3t58j6$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James Messer)
writes:
>
>I've had a ground rod installed in a location for about a year, and
>now I'm moving.  I'd like to take the ground rod with me (ten bucks is
>ten bucks, after all), but I'm not sure the easiest way to get this
>rod out of the ground!  Can anyone offer suggestions?
>
>I'll be installing the rod into a new location.  I got the first rod
>into the ground with brute force; can anyone give some ideas on what
>might be easier ways to get a ground rod into the earth?
>
>Thanks for any info!
>James Messer
>KE4LAY
>

Rent a crane.

Larry




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Swami Kumaresan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.quipment
Subject: *** FOR SALE  ***** Almost unused MFJ Portable tuner!!!
Date: 2 Jul 1995 19:49:06 GMT
Organization: University of Rhode Island
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Sender: swamik@shiva (Swami Kumaresan)
Distribution: world
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    Hi
                I have an MFJ  that has received about 30 minutes of usage.
         It has three settings QRP, Moderate power (0-60 watts) and High
     (0-300 W)!  All manuals aand original packaging are intact. EMAIL me
     or call me for details and price.

                        Swami K. (KD1QV/AE)
                        [e-mail]
                        401-789-5938



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:29 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: See me in pictures.
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Telnet to ccsnet.com
and go to FREE files and get bf1pres.gif
and see me for a dart board.



#================#=====================================================#
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:30 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] ("John Newgas")
Subject: Re: trip to G-land
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Compulink Information eXchange
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 20:00:41 GMT
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> I'm planning a trip to England and Scotland this fall.  I'll be sending
> inquiry to ARRL for info about reciprocal licensing or any permits
> needed (though please feel free to inform me on that, too)
Reciprocal Licenses are available to US amateurs.   The ARRL will send
you the details and paperwork on request.

> .....so I'm looking at 2m.  (Is there a 70cm ham band in the UK?)  The
> ARRL repeater directory
Yes there is a 2m and 70cm band in UK with repeaters on both bands.  All
repeaters are open for public use and have call signs starting GB3...
You can get a list of repeaters from the RSGB
Llamda House, Cranbourne Rd, Potters Bar, Herts, EN6 3 EJ, UK. for a
modest cost .

>I understand that most (all?) repeaters there use 1700 (or is it 1750?)
> Hz tone burst activation and of course my US-featured radios don't do
> that.
> I'm not sure I can whistle reliably enough.  I know that most of the
> feature
My advice is to get one of the "metal silent dog whistles" from a pet
store.  they can be tuned to 1750 Hz fairly easily cost < $5 .

73's de John Newgas  G7LTQ & N2UYI


John N.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Sparks)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Repeater Database?
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 1995 20:33:38 -0700
Organization: Delta Internet Services, Anaheim, CA
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Is there a database of ham repeaters available via anonymous FTP
somewhere?

Dave Sparks -- KD6PDZ -- [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:32 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!parsifal.nando.net!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Doug Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WWW page for JPS Communications
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 1995 21:21:06 GMT
Organization: JPS Communications, Inc.
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X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46

For those interested, JPS Communications, makers of DSP noise filters
and other radio-related products, has a page on the WWW. The URL is:
http://emporium.turnpike.net/J/JPS/jps.html

Also, I'm in the process of collecting links to pages relating to uses
of DSP in amateur radio. If you know of some, I'd appreciate hearing
about them. There are a lot of people experimenting with new
modulation schemes, voice compression, noise reduction,  DSP IF
techniques, and lots of other interesting applications. I'm planning
to add a page with links to this information, so keep an eye out for
it, and if you have something to share, please drop me a line.

73,
Doug Hall, KF4KL
JPS Communications, Inc.
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Hank Riley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Western New York High Altitude Balloon
Date: 2 Jul 1995 21:27:12 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
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Message-ID: <3t72vg$[e-mail]>
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               WESTERN NEW YORK ATV HIGH ALTITUDE BALLOON

The ATV Group of Western New York will launch its second high-altitude
helium balloon on Sunday, July 9, at 9 AM EDT.  The launch will be
conducted at the Batavia Hamfest in Alexander, New York (approx. 30
miles east of Buffalo and just south of Batavia).

Live ATV will be transmitted on 439.25 Mhz, with a video overlay
displaying WA2CXW and altitude, temperature, and other information.
Morse code beacon on 2 meters.

Amateurs monitoring the balloon's signals are invited to check
into the voice net on 7.290 MHz (or just a little lower) starting
at 8:30 AM EDT.  No scrub date set at the time of this writing (7/2/95).

          Location:         Western New York
          Date/Time:        July 9/ 9:00 AM EDT
          ATV:              439.25 MHz (articulated mirror camera)
          Morse Beacon:     144.340 MHz (1 watt)
          HF Voice Net:     just below 7.290 Mhz at 8:30 EDT
          Launch director:  Roger Garbacz, WA2CXW


posted by Hank Riley, N1ATV

Please email for further info
or to submit news of upcoming balloon launches
for distribution on the Net.

[e-mail]
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Fernando Nunes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap
Subject: 2nd hand near Frankfurt?
Date: 2 Jul 1995 22:39:06 GMT
Organization: PUUG - Grupo Portugues de Utilizadores do Sistema UNIX
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   Hello,

   I've have a friend who is going to stay two weeks in Germany (Frankfurt),
and we would like to take the oportunity to buy 2nd hand equipment (cost
reasons, I suppose). So, if anyone knows of any contact near Frankfurt where
he cold find what he's looking for, please e-mail me (as I don't usually
follow this newsgroup).

   Thanks, in advance




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:34 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!news.Direct.CA!usenet
From: [e-mail] (David G.M. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: North/West Vancouver, B.C. Web Site
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 1995 22:59:14 GMT
Organization: Internet Direct, Inc.
Lines: 15
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NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn-177.direct.ca
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55

The North Shore Amateur Radio Club, of North and West Vancouver, B.C.
annouces its new Internet Web site at URL:

http://www.ve7ubc.ampr.org/users/nsars/index.html

This new web site also has ponters to other ham radio web sites and
information on Vancouver, B.C. - Canada's evergreen playground!!!

Come and visit for a while.

This site was created by Mike Humphry VE7MJH

...Dave Smith VE7EC




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Regional Warning Centre)
Newsgroups: aus.radio,ips.solar.activity,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.info
Subject: IPS Daily Report - 02 July 95
Followup-To: aus.radio,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Date: 2 Jul 1995 23:22:27 -0000
Organization: IPS Radio & Space Services.  Sydney, Australia.
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 02/2330Z JULY 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 02 JULY AND FORECAST FOR 03 JULY - 05 JULY
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  78/17

GOES satellite data for 01 Jul
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   8.2E+04
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 2.4E+07 (normal)
       X-ray background: A8.6
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             03 Jul             04 Jul             05 Jul
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 03 Jul:  78/17

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 01 Jul
    Learmonth        3  2111 1111
    Fredericksburg   4                          12
    Planetary        8                          14

Observed Kp for 01 Jul: 5332 2222
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
03 Jul     6    Quiet
04 Jul     6    Quiet
05 Jul     6    Quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
02 Jul      normal         fair-normal    fair-normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
03 Jul      normal         fair-normal    fair-normal
04 Jul      normal         fair-normal    fair-normal
05 Jul      normal         fair-normal    fair-normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
02 Jul    25    near predicted monthly values, with regular Sporadic
                E layer

Predicted Monthly T index for July: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
03 Jul    25    near predicted monthly values
04 Jul    25    near predicted monthly values
05 Jul    25    near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: depressions of 10-20% 00-09UT, night-time
spread F, occasional Sporadic E layer.
--
IPS Radio and Space Services      | email: [e-mail]
PO Box 5606                       | WWW: http://www.ips.gov.au/rwc/
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tel: [phone]                | fax: [phone]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RUSSELL B. ROSLEWSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Icom HT's (was Re: Shoddy work by RF Concepts)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 23:47:20 GMT
Organization: United States Air Force Academy
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NNTP-Posting-Host: cs33-61.usafa.af.mil

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (RUSSELL B. ROSLEWSKI) writes:

>Although this has nothing to do with the previous topic, the talk about
>opening up equipment made me think of this question:  Both Icom HT's I have
>owned (an IC-02AT and now an IC-W2A), had this white sticky stuff inside.
>In the W2A, it is on the metal sides of the RF stack units (I don't remember
>where it was in the 02AT), and I tend to get it all over my fingers when I
>open it up.  Anybody know what this stuff is for?

This is from the original poster:
        Okay, okay, okay!  Thanks to everybody who answered, but no more
please!  From the 20 or 30 responses I've gotten, I now know that this stuff
is heat sinking compound used to fill thermal gaps between hot stuff and the
metal case or heatsink (or that idea, anyway).  Good thing I didn't wipe it
all off or something :-).  And I guess it's working, because the case of my
W2A gets awfully hot at 5 watts.

Thanks everybody!
Russ  KI7FL
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roslewskirb96@[e-mail]     Russ Roslewski        __|__
PP-ASEL   (AOPA #01215297)          KI7FL     CAP   _______(*)_______
"Pick me up so high...where eagles fly!" - Sammy Hagar    o/ \o


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:38 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Cira)
Subject: HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE BBS
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 01:04:13 GMT
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HELLO FELLOW HAMS:and FUTURE HAMS !!!!!!!

        re: HAM BBS dedicated to amateur radio !!!!

There is a DEVOTED AMATEUR RADIO BBS in town ,from your
ARRL/LAX  affiliated club coordinator , JOE CIRA , KB6AXK ...........
Everything and anything about AMATEUR RADIO will be found here,
IF NOT ? Let me know and we will post it and file it !!!!!!!!


        HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE BBS at 1-818-584-1952....
        24 hrs,8-n-1,anyspeed.......
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        Using Wildcat v4.01 software..
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73's & 88's de kb6axk,joe cira,ARRL/LAX/ACC.
INTERNET E-MAIL ADDRESS:> [e-mail]

/EX
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:45 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!kb6axk
From: [e-mail] (Joe Cira)
Subject: HAM RADIO CLUBS CAL
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 01:23:25 GMT
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Sender: [e-mail]

This list of ARRL affiliated clubs was prepared as a membership service
by the American Radio Relay League, Inc., Technical Information Service,
225
Main St., Newington, CT  06111 [phone]. Email: [e-mail]
(Internet).

From the files of the ARRL Automated Electronic Mail Server,
([e-mail]):

Thank you for requesting the following information from the ARRL
Technical Information Service or the ARRL Automated Mail Server
([e-mail]). ARRL HQ is glad to provide this information free
of charge as a service to League members and affiliated clubs.

For your convenience, you may reproduce this information,
electronically or on paper, and distribute it to anyone who needs
it, provided that you reproduce it in its entirety and do so free
of charge.

If you have any questions concerning the reproduction or distribution of
this material, please contact Michael Tracy, KC1SX, Technical
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220 CLUB OF SAN DIEGO
STEVE ADAMS K6PD PRES
43699 MORAGA AVE
SAN DIEGO, CA 92117

AEROJET RADIO AMATEURS CLUB
WILL MAXTON AB6RT PRES
15750 REED DR
FONTANA, CA 92336

ALAMEDA COUNTY RADIO CLUB
RICH ANDERSON N6LIM
5082 ABBOTFORD CT
NEWARK, CA 94560

ALLAN HANCOCK COLLEGE BULLDOGS
ROBERT ALLDREDGE KE6BXR ADVIS
525 E ORCHARD ST
SANTA MARIA, CA 93454

AMADOR COUNTY ARC
BARBARA BROWN  WZ6Y TREAS
PO BOX 1094
PINE GROVE, CA 95665

AMATEUR COMMUNICATIONS SOC INC
IRVIN R WOLD W6JEU SECY
16 ANGELA AVE
SAN ANSELMO, CA 94960

AMATEUR TELEVISION NETWORK
MICHAEL V COLLIS  WA6SVT VPRS
PO BOX 1594
CRESTLINE, CA 92325

AMBASSADOR ARA
CLARK MILLER  W6T}PQ PRES
590 N OAKLAND AVE
PASADENA, CA 91101

ANAHEIM AMATEUR RADIO ASSN
BARRY D IVES  K6QJ
801 E DONNY BROOK AVE
LA HABRA, CA 90631

ANTELOPE VALLEY ARC
IVAN E HINKLE JR.  N6PQB PRES
2121 E AVENUE I SPC 70
LANCASTER, CA 93535

ANZA VALLEY RC
PAUL R LARSON KN6JL SCTR
38395 MCDONALD LN
ANZA, CA 92539

ARA OF LONG BEACH
ROBERT A BUHBE  AA6HV PRES
PO BOX 7493
LONG BEACH, CA 90807

ARC AT UNIV OF CA SANTA BARBA
STEPHEN I LONG AC6T ADVISOR
895 N PATTERSON AVE
SANTA BARBARA, CA 93111

ARC OF EL CAJON
AL GENTZ  KA6RLX PRES
9627 RAMSGATE WAY
SANTEE, CA 92071

AUTONETICS RADIO CLUB
DAN R VIOLETTE  KI6X PRES
M/C HD01
3370 MIRALOMA
ANAHEIM, CA 92803

BALDWIN HILLS ARC
EDWARD L WALKER WA6MDJ
PO BOX 43639
LOS ANGELES, CA 90043

BARSTOW ARC
JOHN SEGESMAN  N6TAP SCTR
PO BOX 451
BARSTOW, CA 92312

BEACH CITIES WIRELESS SOCIETY
DAVE TRUPKIN KD6KLZ PRES
PO BOX 4016
SAN CLEMENTE, CA 92674

BENICIA ARC
JACK B COOPER JR.  KG6LV
PO BOX 1881
BENICIA, CA 94510

BERRYESSA AMATEUR RADIO KLUB
GARY FORD N6GF SCTR
226 DIABLO AVE
DAVIS, CA 95616

BIG BEAR ARC
JAY DOWN  KC6JTJ PRES
PO BOX 790
BIG BEAR LAKE, CA 92315

BISHOP ARC
JON PATZER NW6C EDIT
730 KEOUGH ST
BISHOP, CA 93514

BLACKBIRD AIRPARK RADIO CLUB
WILLIAM WELSH  W6DDB PRES
45527 3RD ST E
LANCASTER, CA 93535

BUENA PARK ARC
COLLIER MCDERMON KC6WJM PRES
4792 SUNNYBROOK AVE
BUENA PARK, CA 90621

CA CENTRAL COAST DX CLUB
SHERRY ROBB N7LTO SECY
501 N POPPY ST
LOMPOC, CA 93436

CA STATE UNIV-SACRAMENTO STUD
GARY WEBBENHURST KC6URB ADVIS
8430 LA RIVIERA DR
SACRAMENTO, CA 95826

CALAVERAS ARS
JAMES M CLARK KC6ZWQ SCTR
PO BOX 4453
CAMP CONNELL, CA 95223

CALIF POLYTECHNIC STATE UNIV
DAN MALONE KC6WOT ADVISOR
CAL POLY STATE UNIVERSITY
UU BOX 53
SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA 93407

CALTECH ARC
DAVID B RITCHIE N6DLU SCTR
3521 YORKSHIRE RD
PASADENA, CA 91107

CASTLE ARC
JANET SIEGEL KB6SBH SECY
1145 JULIE DR
MERCED, CA 95348

CENTRAL CA AMATEUR COMMUNICAT
WALTER WILLMS  WB6FWO
2605 E SUSSEX WAY
FRESNO, CA 93726

CENTRAL CALIFORNIA DX CLUB
GILBERT DE LA LAING W6BJI SECY
1260 W SAN RAMON AVE
FRESNO, CA 93711

CENTRAL VALLEY INTER SCH RADIO
WILLIAM P ADDISON  N6GLL ADVIS
4411 MOUNTAIN LAKES BLVD
REDDING, CA 96003

CHALLENGER JR HIGH SCHOOL ARC
FRANK FORRESTER KI6YG PRES
CHALLENGER JHS
10810 PARKDALE AVE
SAN DIEGO, CA 92126

CITRUS BELT ARC
ANDREW T HALE N6IQK PRES
PO BOX 3788
SAN BERNARDINO, CA 92413

CLAIREMONT REPEATER ASSN
JACKIE CADOTTE KD6FHY SECY
PO BOX 7675
HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA 92615

CLOVIS AMATEUR RADIO PIONEERS
RAY HARKINS KB6LQV SECY
6114 E SHIELDS
FRESNO, CA 93727

COASTAL AR EMERG. SERVICES
MARCIA R BRUNO N6ISW SECY
15849 LOS REYES ST
FOUNTAIN VALLEY, CA 92708

COASTSIDE ARC
ROGER G SPINDLER WA6AFT TREA
977 PARK PACIFICA AVE
PACIFICA, CA 94044

CONEJO VALLEY ARC INC
ED PIERCE WB6DFW SECY
PO BOX 2093
THOUSAND OAKS, CA 91358

CORONA NORCO ARC
MIKEL FRASIER  KN6KH PRES
PO BOX 253
CORONA, CA 91718

CRESCENTA VALLEY RADIO CLUB
DONALD HANSON KD6DIJ PRES
600 W BROADWAY STE 235
GLENDALE, CA 91204

DEL NORTE ARC
GERRY FREDRICKSON KA6WYX SCTR
388 7TH ST
CRESCENT CITY, CA 95531

DOWNEY ARC
DOUGLAS E LYON N6WZI PRES
PO BOX 207
DOWNEY, CA 90241

EAST BAY ARC INC
JOHN S PERCIVAL WI6O SECY
PO BOX 1393
EL CERRITO, CA 94530

EDISON AMATEUR RADIO NET
CHARLES F SPETNAGEL N7QQ PRES
5327 CAROL AVE
ALTA LOMA, CA 91701

EDISON HIGH SCHOOL ARC
JOHN MORRICE WB6ITM
4768 N HARRISON AVE
FRESNO, CA 93704

EL DORADO COUNTY ARC
MICHAEL PICCO KD6BMV PRES
PO BOX 451
PLACERVILLE, CA 95667

ELECTRONICS MUSEUM ARC
SHELDON EDELMAN KM6GV TREAS
3708 STARR KING CIR
PALO ALTO, CA 94306

ENGINEERING RADIO GROUP
JIM PRATT  N6IG
3603 RIDGEVIEW DR
EL DORADO HILLS, CA 95762

ESCONDIDO ARS
KONRAD F WALLENDA N6UKO PRES
3040 QUAIL RD
ESCONDIDO, CA 92026

ESTERO RADIO CLUB
NORM WAGNOR KD6SAKZ SCTR
PO BOX 1813
MORRO BAY, CA 93443

FIFTY CLUB OF CALIF INC
HUGH S ALLEN JR W6MFC SECY
3601 ROYAL WOODS DR
SHERMAN OAKS, CA 91403

FRESNO ARC
FRED ATTOIAN JR KN6TA SECY
PO BOX 783
FRESNO, CA 93712

FULLERTON RADIO CLUB INC
CHUCK HUNGATE  K6TAT  SECY
PO BOX 545
FULLERTON, CA 92632

G S LADD PIONEER RADIO CLUB
GENE HILDEMAN W6KQZ SECY
346 PERKINS DR
HAYWARD, CA 94541

GABILAN ARC
DON TRIGUEIRO KA6AUR PRES
1729 FALLBROOK AVE
GILROY, CA 95021

GENENTECH ARC
RON SIDELL KM6BH
GENENTECH INC
460 POINT SAN BRUNO BLVD # 31
SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94080

GOLDEN EMPIRE ARS, INC.
STUART KING KN6ME PRES
136 W FRANCIS WILLARD AVE
CHICO, CA 95926

GOLDEN STATE ARC
ANANIAS G GASACAO KM6EF PRES
PO BOX 1324
UNION CITY, CA 94587

GOLDEN TRIANGLE ARC
CLIFF SHINN AB6PB PRES
PO BOX 1335
WILDOMAR, CA 92595

HENRY RADIO OF ORANGE CTY RADI
STEVEN L WALLIS WA6PYE PRES
25108-B MARGUERITE PKWY #76
MISSION VIEJO, CA 92692

HILLTOP AMATEUR MASTERTIE SYST
FREDERICK E DEEG N6FD PRES
13234A FIJI WAY
MARINA DEL REY, CA 90292

HUGHES-FULLERTON EMPLOYEES
STEVE DAVIES N6MNG SECY
BLDG 604 MS B260
P O BOX 3310
FULLERTON, CA 92634

HUMBOLDT ARC
SCOTT BINDER AB6TR SECY
PO BOX 5251
EUREKA, CA 95502

INLAND EMPIRE A R C
KEN D WALSTON SR WA6ZEF
1248 N CYPRESS AVE
ONTARIO, CA 91762

JAPANESE AMERICAN ARS
CHARLOTTE ISEDA KB6FXS SECY
6781 VERDE RIDGE RD
RANCHO PALOS VERDES, CA 90275

KELLER PEAK REPEATER ASSOC
GEORGE W POULSEN KB6AWJ SECY
PO BOX 8051
RIVERSIDE, CA 92515

KENNEDY HIGH SCHOOL ARC
ROBERT HAZARD N6NBF ADVISOR
KENNEDY HIGH SCHOOL
11254 GOTHIC AVE
GRANADA HILLS, CA 91344

KERN COUNTY RC INC
DR ROBERT GARDINER KE6FFN
4219 GLENCANNON ST
BAKERSFIELD, CA 93308

KERN RIVER VALLEY ARC
TOM H CORSO KN6TS PRES
PO BOX 3645
LAKE ISABELLA, CA 93240

KINGS ARC, INC.
CARLETON REED AA6GZ EDITOR
PO BOX 548
ARMONA, CA 93202

LA AREA COUNCIL OF ARC
DICK RITTERBAND AA6BC PRES
3823 CODY RD
SHERMAN OAKS, CA 91403

LADIES ARA OF ORANGE COUNTY
JERI HAINES KB6USX PRES
16139 OCASO AVE
LA MIRADA, CA 90638

LAKE COUNTY ARS
PHIL MCCLEEARY W6OZT PRES
PO BOX 814
KELSEYVILLE, CA 95451

LAMBDA ARC GOLDEN GATE CHAPTER
KITCHELL BROWN WB6QVU PRES
PO BOX 14073
SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94114

LAS CUMBRES ARC INC
DAVE FERGUSON WA6BXP PRES
PO BOX 160577
CUPERTINO, CA 95016

LEE DEFOREST RC OF HEMET
LANDON BROWN KK6BC PRES
25108 ROSEBRUGH LN
HEMET, CA 92544

LIVERMORE AMATEUR RADIO KLUB
LEE ZALAZNIK KI6OY PRES
PO BOX 3190
LIVERMORE, CA 94551

LOCKHEED ARC (LERA)
JAMES N WOODS  KC7FG SECY
1042 ROBIN WAY
SUNNYVALE, CA 94087

LODI ARC
DALE KRETZER K6PJV  SCTR
PO BOX 2088
LODI, CA 95241

LOMPOC ARC
DALE J LEISTRO WA4ANW SCTR
313 SOMERSET PL
LOMPOC, CA 93436

LOYOLA MARYMOUNT UNIV ARC
CLIFF D'AUTREMONT KI6TM
7101 W 80TH ST
BOX 555
LOS ANGELES, CA 90045

MADERA COUNTY ARC
DAN STANFORD KNGMV PRES
PO BOX 251
MADERA, CA 93639

MARIN ARC
GRANT PRITCHARD KK6JJ PRES
PO BOX 151231
SAN RAFAEL, CA 94915

MENDOCINO COUNTY ARS
JOE PARK WB6AGR PRES
PO BOX 1396
UKIAH, CA 95482

MILE HIGH MOUNTAIN RADIO CLUB
ROBERT G HAYTON  KC6GQC PRES
PO BOX 1776
IDYLLWILD, CA 92549

MONTEREY PARK ARC
RON GROSS N6KNF
PO BOX 403
MONTEREY PARK, CA 91754

MORENO VALLEY ARA
LOIS GOODINE WB6PLR PRES
PO BOX 7642
MORENO VALLEY, CA 92552

MORONGO BASIN ARC
GLENN MILLER N6GIW PRES
P O BOX 1995
YUCCA VALLEY, CA 92286

MOUNT DIABLO ARC
RICHARD SCHULZE AA6DL PRES
1599 LA CASA CT
WALNUT CREEK, CA 94598

MOUNT SHASTA ARC
CHRISTINE CROCKER KD6LNH SECY
PO BOX 73
MOUNT SHASTA, CA 96067

MOUNTAIN ARC
JOE BENTSON  K6STR
48947 QUAIL DR
OAKHURST, CA 93644

MOUNTAIN REPEATER ASSN
ELLIOTT BLOCH K6ELX SCTR
3049 DONA NENITA PL
STUDIO CITY, CA 91604

NEVADA COUNTY ARC
A FRANK DOTING W6NKU PRES
PO BOX 2923
GRASS VALLEY, CA 95945

NICHOLS ELEM SCHOOL ARC
THOMAS M ZANE K6URI ADVISOR
2310 W TOKAY ST
LODI, CA 95242

NORTH BAY AMATEUR RADIO ASSN
DOUG DYKES KC6UET PRES
PO BOX 1468
VALLEJO, CA 94590

NORTH HILLS RADIO CLUB
KEN SNYDER AB6BD PRES
PO BOX 41635
SACRAMENTO, CA 95841

NORTH SHORES ARC
MARK CARROLL KB6OSP PRES
P O BOX 639005-127
SAN DIEGO, CA 92163

NORTHERN AMATEUR RELAY COUNCIL
JOHN KERNKAMP WB4YJT PRES
PO BOX 60531
SUNNYVALE, CA 94088

NORTHERN CALIF CONTEST CLUB
BRUCE B SAWYER AA6KX SCTR
15430 BOHLMAN RD
SARATOGA, CA 95070

NORTHERN CALIFORNIA DX CLUB
GEORGE ALLAN WA6O PRES
PO BOX 608
MENLO PARK, CA 94026

NORTHROP RADIO CLUB
GREGORY T LANE K7SDW  PRES
3970 CORONADO CIR
NEWBURY PARK, CA 91320

NUCLEAR ARC
SHAWN DIENHART WB6JWB PRES
317 PRIMROSE LN
PASO ROBLES, CA 93446

ORANGE COUNTY ARC
KEN KONECHI W6HHC SECY
340 S CRAIG DR
ORANGE, CA 92669

ORANGE COUNTY COUNCIL OF ARO
LORRAINE HASTINGS KK6CG
854 E BERNARD DR
FULLERTON, CA 92635

PAL-HAM KIDS
PAUL BOWMAN  N6WZR ADVISOR
LONG BEACH POLICE DEPT
400 W BROADWAY JUVENILE DIV
LONG BEACH, CA 90802

PALO ALTO ARA
LILY ANNE HILLIS N6PGM PRES
PO BOX 911
MENLO PARK, CA 94026

PALOMAR ARC INC
STAN ROHRER W9FQN EDITOR
30311 CIRCLE R LN
VALLEY CENTER, CA 92082

PALOS VERDES ARC
HERBERT E CLARKSON KM6DD
POB 2316
PALOS VERDES PENINSULA, CA 90274

PASADENA RADIO CLUB
MERRIE SUYDAM AB6LR PRES
321 CHERRY HILLS LN
AZUSA, CA 91702

PASO ROBLES ARC
L S MOORE  KI6LA
1628 POPPY LN
PASO ROBLES, CA 93446

PETALUMA DX & EXPERIMENTERS
FRITZ O MAASS WB6EGE PRES
1291 ELYSIAN AVE
PENNGROVE, CA 94951

PIEDMONT ARC
DERALD SUE KD6HJX PRES
8 GLEN ALPINE RD
PIEDMONT, CA 94611

PLACENTIA RADIO WATCH
CHARLES TIELROOY KD6DON
PLACENTIA POLICE DEPT
401 E CHAPMAN AVE
PLACENTIA, CA 92670

POINSETTIA ARC
RUSSELL REID KD6QOH PRES
PO BOX 268
VENTURA, CA 93002

PORTERVILLE AMATEUR RPTR ASSN
EDWARD LAMB K6LSB TREAS
23433 AVENUE 184
PORTERVILLE, CA 93257

PREPARED RADIO IN MIGHTY ORAN
KATHERINE SCHAFFSTEIN WABFAH
731 W HOUSTON AVE
FULLERTON, CA 92632

QSO CLUB OF PASADENA AREA C.C.
HARVEY D HETLAND N6MM ADVISOR
PO BOX 73
ALTADENA, CA 91003

RADIO ACTIVE TEENAGERS
GAYLE OLSON KC6YDQ
21400 MAGNOLIA ST
HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA 92646

REDWOOD EMPIRE DX ASSN
STEVE LUND WA8LLY SCTR
PO BOX 476
GRATON, CA 95444

RELAY REPEATER CLUB
DONALD WERNER WA6KKR PRES
PO BOX 660081
ARCADIA, CA 91066

RHOADES SCHOOL HAM RADIO CLUB
RON MIELY KC6YLA PRES
3030 GARBOSO ST
CARLSBAD, CA 92009

RIVER CITY AR COMMUNICATIONS
LYLE B AUFRANC AA6DJ LIAS
PO BOX 215073
SACRAMENTO, CA 95821

RIVER CITY CONTESTERS
TIM DOLAN KM6AS SCTR
PO BOX 51
FOLSOM, CA 95763

RIVERSIDE COUNTY ARA
JOANIE VERDUFT KC6NXK PRES
5505 GOLDEN AVE
RIVERSIDE, CA 92505

SABIN PIONEER RADIO CLUB
LES COBB W6TEE SECY
4124 PASADENA AVE
SACRAMENTO, CA 95821

SACRAMENTO ARC, INC
GARY BRYANT KB6KZZ PRES
PO BOX 161903
SACRAMENTO, CA 95816

SAM'S RADIO HAMS
BOBBY MOONEYHAM WB6BRU PRES
9481 N WILLOW AVE
CLOVIS, CA 93611

SAN BRUNO CIVIL DEFENSE RC
GEORGE P DELICH WA6IZB PRES
321 FERNWOOD DR
SAN BRUNO, CA 94066

SAN DIEGO COUNTY RADIO COUNCIL
PATRICK C BUNSOLD WA6MHZ
14291 RIOS CANYON RD SPC 33
EL CAJON, CA 92021

SAN DIEGO DX CLUB
SAMUEL E JOHNSON JR W6BS
1647 CORTE LADERA
ESCONDIDO, CA 92025

SAN DIEGO METROPOLITAN ARC
WILLIAM CHAPMAN AA6JZ  PRES
3951 THE HILL RD
BONITA, CA 91902

SAN FERNANDO VALLEY ARC
IRVING SLITZKY N6PTI PRES
PO BOX 280517
NORTHRIDGE, CA 91328

SAN FRANCISCO ARC
ART SAMUELSON W6VV PRES
PO BOX 420741
SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94142

SAN GABRIEL VALLEY RC
TONY CHILLEMI KD6IFC
5023 N WILLOW AVE
COVINA, CA 91724

SAN LEANDRO RADIO CLUB
BOB RETT W6MEI PRES
301 DOWLING BLVD
SAN LEANDRO, CA 94577

SAN MATEO RADIO CLUB INC
JIM MUITER W6KXG PRES
PO BOX 751
SAN MATEO, CA 94401

SANDRA INC
BOB HELT NY6J PRES
P O BOX 81103
SAN DIEGO, CA 92138

SANTA BARBARA ARC
RONALD D FUGATE N6ANF PRES
PO BOX 3232
SANTA BARBARA, CA 93130

SANTA CLARA COUNTY ARA
DOUG EATON WN6U PRES
PO BOX 6
SAN JOSE, CA 95103

SANTA CLARA VALLEY RPTR SOC
LARRY FLETCHER KC6VRK PRES
17162 TASSAJARA CIR
MORGAN HILL, CA 95037

SANTA CRUZ COUNTY ARC INC
ALLAN HANDFORTH  KC6VJL PRES
PO BOX 238
SANTA CRUZ, CA 95061

SANTA MARIA AR TELE & TELE ARC
CHARLES H DANIEL  KD6AUY PRES
3958 LOCH LOMOND DR
SANTA MARIA, CA 93455

SATELLITE ARC
SHARI RICH KD6KZY SECY
PO BOX 5117
LOMPOC, CA 93437

SCIENCE & TECH CTR AR DIV
KEVIN WILLIAMS KN6UO PRES
P O BOX 895
LUCERNE VALLEY, CA 92356

SHAFTER HIGH RADIO CLUB
RALPH IRONS AA6UL ADVISOR
526 MANNEL AVE
SHAFTER, CA 93263

SHASTA CASCADE ARS
DON CHURCHILL K6EIX PRES
21815 SHADY OAK LN
PALO CEDRO, CA 96073

SHASTA DX & CONTEST CLUB
JON CASAMAJOR KN6EL PRES
24 GRACELAND CT
CHICO, CA 95926

SIERRA ARC
BOB LENTZ K6PYH PRES
PO BOX 236
CHESTER, CA 96020

SIERRA ARC OF THE HIGH MOJAVE
LLOYD BRUBAKER  WA6KZV SECY
235 E KENDALL AVE
RIDGECREST, CA 93555

SIERRA FOOTHILLS ARC
ROGER HEDGPETH N7EUQ PRES
460 FLOWER DR
FOLSOM, CA 95630

SILICON GULCH ARC
DOYLE E SOUDERS KG6MY PRES
1342 FIELDFAIR CT
SUNNYVALE, CA 94087

SIMI SETTLERS ARC
RON MCCLURE KD6VLM PRES
PO BOX 3035
SIMI VALLEY, CA 93093

SISKIYOU REPEATER ASSN
AL KIEP WA6IHK TREAS
PO BOX 41
ETNA, CA 96027

SOLANO COUNTY ARS
DARWIN THOMPSON K6USW PRES
2050 DORLAND DR
FAIRFIELD, CA 94533

SONOMA COUNTY RADIO AMATEURS
ALAN BLOOM N1AL SECY
PO BOX 116
SANTA ROSA, CA 95402

SONORA PASS AR KLUB
GERTRUDE ANDERSON KA6VFO TREA
17300 MONTE GRANDE DR
SOULSBYVILLE, CA 95372

SONS IN RETIREMENT ARC
CHARLES UNFRIED K6IGJ
1642 BALBOA CT
PLEASANT HILL, CA 94523

SOUTH BAY ARA
PHIL KELLER N6MWC TREAS
48775 BIG HORN CT
FREMONT, CA 94539

SOUTH BAY ARC
JOE LANPHEN WB6MYD SCTR
PO BOX 536
TORRANCE, CA 90508

SOUTH BAY ARS
JEROME ROEBUCK  N6ZQC PRES
1003 MELROSE AVE
CHULA VISTA, CA 91911

SOUTH CTY AR EMERG SERVICE INC
HARRY R COLLINS K6ANN PRES
1921 BIRCH AVE
SAN CARLOS, CA 94070

SOUTH ORANGE COUNTY ARA
GREGORY A PASQUA KB6YOM
12 WEST AVENIDA JUNIPERO
SAN CLEMENTE, CA 92672

SOUTHERN CA SIX METER CLUB
BOB HASTINGS K6PHE PRES
854 E BERNARD DR
FULLERTON, CA 92635

SOUTHERN CALIF CONTEST CLUB
MARK BECKWITH WA6OTU EDITOR
PO BOX 4
SIERRA MADRE, CA 91025

SOUTHERN CALIF DX CLUB
STEVE LOCKS W6FRZ SECY
2324 N HEATHER AVE
LONG BEACH, CA 90815

SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ATS
PAT MCNULTY N6GXZ SECY
PO BOX 1770
COVINA, CA 91722

SOUTHERN HUMBOLDT ARC
JACK FOSTER KM6TE PRES
PO BOX 193
GARBERVILLE, CA 95542

SOUTHERN SIERRA ARS
CAROLINE PARSONS
20277 BACKES LN
TEHACHAPI, CA 93561

SOUTHWESTERN REACT ARC
ERIC CROSSER N6SUB PRES
PO BOX 4554
SAN DIEGO, CA 92164

SS LANE VICTORY ARC
JENNY LUKENBILL K6JCL SCTR
C/O SS LANE VICTORY
PO BOX 629
SAN PEDRO, CA 90733

ST JUDE HOSP & REHAB CTR ARA
APRIL MOELL WA6OPS CHRM
PO BOX 2508
FULLERTON, CA 92633

STANISLAUS ARA
SANDRA INGRAM KC6TBK PRES
PO BOX 4601
MODESTO, CA 95352

STOCKTON-DELTA ARC
JOHN KESTER KD6FVA PRES
PO BOX 690271
STOCKTON, CA 95269

SULPHUR MOUNTAIN REPEATER ASSN
DAVID R WILKINS KM6UU PRES
PO BOX 5131
VENTURA, CA 93005

SUN CITY ARC
HERB LIPSON W8FBH PRES
26960 PINEHURST RD
SUN CITY, CA 92586

TAHOE AMATEUR RADIO ASSN
PAUL GULBRO WA6EWV PRES
PO BOX 624772
SOUTH LAKE TAHOE, CA 96154

TANDEM RADIO AMATEURS CLUB
PAUL WESLING KM6LH SECY
TANDEM COMPUTERS  INC
10400 RIDGEVIEW CT M/S 208-57
CUPERTINO, CA 95014

TECH RAC & EXPERIMENTAL SYSTEM
JAN F STICHA WA6HWT TRUSTEE
846 PLATT CT
MILPITAS, CA 95035

TEEN ARA
ANDREAS CSEPELY  KD6HNE  SECY
1246 SANDIA AVE
SUNNYVALE, CA 94089

TRI-COUNTY ARA
JOHN T PHILLIPP N6ZAE SECY
PO BOX 142
POMONA, CA 91769

TULARE COUNTY ARC
DAVE MILLHOUSE N6YMM SCTR
PO BOX 723
VISALIA, CA 93279

TURLOCK ARC
GEORGE STEVANS K6SNA VPRS
1804 E RUMBLE RD
MODESTO, CA 95355

U.H.F. ASSOCIATES
WILLIAM R SEYMOUR WA6MOD SCTR
PO BOX 609
GLENDORA, CA 91740

UNITED RADIO AMATEUR CLUB
BEVERLY PITMAN WA6TIU SECY
2902 ONRADO ST
TORRANCE, CA 90503

UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA ARC
JAMES CHESKO AB6YH PRES
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA
609ESHLEMAN HALL
BERKELEY, CA 94720

VACA VALLEY RADIO CLUB
GLENN D BISSELL N6WVF PRES
419 MASON ST SUITE 126
PO BOX 521
VACAVILLE, CA 95696

VALLEY OF THE MOON ARC
STEVE TODD K26KVY SECY
175 FIRST ST W
SONOMA, CA 95476

VENTURA COUNTY ARC
DICK GEORGE WA6JOX PRES
603 EVERGREEN SQ
PORT HUENEME, CA 93041

VICTOR VALLEY ARC
JAMES A CHANDLER N5COT PRES
PO BOX 869
VICTORVILLE, CA 92393

VILLAGES ARC
EMIL MARTIN K6MJ PRES
7652 FALKIRK DR
SAN JOSE, CA 95135

WEST COAST ARC
CAM HARRIOT KI6WF PRES
PO BOX 2617
COSTA MESA, CA 92628

WEST VALLEY ARA
TRAVIS WISE KB8FOU PRES
P O BOX 6544
SAN JOSE, CA 95150

WESTERN AMATEUR RADIO ASSN
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:45 1995
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From: "Charles Jack Hawley Jr." <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Syntor eprom question
Date: 3 Jul 1995 02:18:22 GMT
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I posted an address for a couple of guys doing a Motorola Syntor
project....a kit or built interface, and the address did not work.
Here is one that is more current:

[e-mail]
[e-mail]

--


Charles Jack Hawley Jr.
Amateur Radio KE9UW (A.K.A. 'Chuck' in Ham Radio)
BMW K100RS, BMWMOA #224 (A.K.A. 'Jack' in Motorcycles)
[e-mail]
Sr. Research Engineer Emeritus
School of Chemical Sciences
Univ of Ill, Urbana-Champaign




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:47 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Flame baiting, Gerald Schmitt <[e-mail]> writes:

>> >I will don my flame suit and define C.W.
>> >
>> >Considering data thru put rate signal to noise ratio and
>> >ability to communicate I must conclude C.W. must mean
>> >
>> >    Completely Worthless

To which I replied that once your code speed is up past 20-25wpm and
you can copy in your head *then* it becomes worthwhile. No flame.
Just a fact.

>As the original author, I agree it was a bit strong but the response
>has been most enlightening. The strongly religious Herman and Wyatt both
>answered as if they had neither read nor understood my post.

Well, there's another lie. I both read and understood your post.

>Thinking that perhaps I had not made my points clearly enough I wrote
>private e-mail to both.

Ummm, another possible lie. As I recall your email was addressed to
Mr. Wyatt, and the first line started something like "Dear Mr. Wyatt".
The only place my name was mentioned was in the CC: line.

>My original post for those who can actually read and understand was a
>technical challenge to CW as a "can get through when other modes cannot
>mode" or CW as a lid filter. In fact the ravings by you and Mr. Wyatt do
>not address any of the issued raised.

I've never taken the stance that CW is a lid-filter nor that it's the
only mode that can get through. Thus, your argument does not apply to
my stance. For years my stance has been that CW is a mode common to
all HF amateurs, and it provides the novice builder an easy and cheap way
to get on the air without depending upon complex gear. Code tests should
be kept to encourage more new hams to build their first transmitter to
give them hands-on training for going to more complex modes and  pro-
jects.

> If the non-responsive replies from
>you (twice) and Wyatt

Another lie. My initial email reply to the cc: copy I received was
well-thought out and stated my feelings.

Gee Gerald, why is it that you have to resort to so many lies to get
your opinion across? Surely it is a sign of a very weak argument
when you have to lie and slander your opponent.

>Since CW is less than 25% of the operating that is done and requires

Really? You must not own an HF receiver. It's one of the top two
modes on HF worldwide.

>less bandwidth the CW portions of the bands should be reduced appropriately.

Don't forget that CW is the only mode that can freely operate anywhere
on any band - it's not restricted to any subband. There is no real `CW
portion' on any band - the current subbands are by  gentlemen's agreement.

>The space saved could be dedicated to alternate digital modes and
>development of new techniques.

Lots of VHF/UHF spectrum for that.

73 from beautiful Hawaii,
Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Todd Perry)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to _remove_ a ground rod?
Date: 3 Jul 1995 04:50:55 GMT
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In article <3t6s6a$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>In <3t58j6$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James Messer)
>writes:
>>
>>I've had a ground rod installed in a location for about a year, and
>>now I'm moving.  I'd like to take the ground rod with me (ten bucks is
>>ten bucks, after all), but I'm not sure the easiest way to get this
>>rod out of the ground!  Can anyone offer suggestions?
>>
>>I'll be installing the rod into a new location.  I got the first rod
>>into the ground with brute force; can anyone give some ideas on what
>>might be easier ways to get a ground rod into the earth?
>>
>>Thanks for any info!
>>James Messer
>>KE4LAY
>>
>
>Rent a crane.
>
>Larry
>
>

This, of course, won't help you with the old one, but I read about an
interesting way of putting in a new one that might be easier (and make it
easier to get out later, if/when). I think I read this in 73, but it may be
somewhere else, too...
        Basically, go down to the local hardware store and get decent size
copper pipe (I used 3/4") with the thickest wall you can buy. They typically
come in 10' length. Also buy a 90 degree elbow and a fitting for a garden
hose. (you can skip the elbow if you need to, but I found it works better).
Sweat solder the fitting and elbow on to one end of the pipe, and take the
other end and cut it on a 45 or greater angle. This should leave the end
looking something like a hypodermic syringe.
        Take it to the site, attach the hose, and turn on the water full
blast. Let it run for a little bit then put the pipe in the ground. I didn't
need to force it at all. If it hung up, I just let the water work for a minute
or so, and then tried again. When it's all the way in, turn off the water,
disconnect the hose, and give it a day or so to let the ground dry back out
and set. Then just de-solder the connection, if you want to save that. I left
mine in, personally.
        I had a friend of mine that moved his shack to the "other" side of his
house that had this type of setup. He just attached the hose, turned on the
water, waited about 15 minutes for the ground to get saturated, and pulled it
out. Simple.
        Only hitch is that I would suggest not wearing anything that you mind
getting wet, as it's hard to do this without swamping a small section of your
yard (and yourself).
        I tried getting an old- normal style - rod out once. We wound up using
a stump puller, in the end. The rod was basically ruined after that (cause we
kinda bent it pretty hard with the stump puller).

Good luck!
--
                        Regards,
                        R. T. Perry
                        KF4BAL
                        GMOO
- The world is divided into two groups of people: Those that own HP's
and those that yell "HEY! Where's the equals sign?"



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RUSSELL B. ROSLEWSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to _remove_ a ground rod?
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 04:56:48 GMT
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In article <3t7svf$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Richard Todd Perry) writes:

>This, of course, won't help you with the old one, but I read about an
>interesting way of putting in a new one that might be easier (and make it
>easier to get out later, if/when). I think I read this in 73, but it may be
>somewhere else, too...

<snip>

>       Take it to the site, attach the hose, and turn on the water full
>blast. Let it run for a little bit then put the pipe in the ground. I didn't
>need to force it at all. If it hung up, I just let the water work for a minute
>or so, and then tried again. When it's all the way in, turn off the water,
>disconnect the hose, and give it a day or so to let the ground dry back out
>and set. Then just de-solder the connection, if you want to save that. I left
>mine in, personally.

I have heard about problems with this method, that it doesn't make a very
effective ground.  I don't remember why, maybe it's because the rod isn't in
as well as with the brute force method.  Sounds like a tradeoff to me--
easier installation, less effective ground.  This is just what I've
heard (or maybe read).

Good Luck!

Russ  KI7FL

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Brown)
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Subject: Re: Multimeters
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Kenneth D Anderson ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I'm in the market for a DMM, but my budget can't absorb a $200 - $300 Fluke.
: Something in the $70 -$80 range would be better.  Anyone have any comments on
: other multimeters such as B & K, Wavetek, Tenma?

        I have a Beckman (now Wavetek) DM15XL, which I'm quite happy
with.  This meter was ~$65, and covers what I need--AC/DC volts (to 1kv
DC, 750v AC), resistance (to 2000M ohms), and AC/DC current (to 10A).
The current inputs are fused, and there's a beeper to warn you if the
leads are in the wrong current jacks.

 --
 Dan Brown, KE6MKS
 [e-mail]
 Don't Tread on Me


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:51 1995
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>
> I am looking for a list of HF Weather Fax freq's and times.
> Any help would be great.
>
> Thanks,

Try the http://promet12.cineca.it/htdx/index.html
under the SWL-BCL section.. There's the Marius Rensen HF-FAX List
Bye


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chuck)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: WWW page for JPS Communications
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 95 06:27:10 GMT
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In article <3t72jm$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Doug Hall) wrote:
>For those interested, JPS Communications, makers of DSP noise filters
>and other radio-related products, has a page on the WWW. The URL is:
>http://emporium.turnpike.net/J/JPS/jps.html
>
>73,
>Doug Hall, KF4KL
>JPS Communications, Inc.
>[e-mail]
>
>

Are you THE Doug Hall, as in "The Doug Hall Interface" for the Link-Com
repeater controllers?  Just curious.  :^)

Charlie
KI5XP


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From: Neal McEwen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Magneto Telegraph
Date: 3 Jul 1995 06:45:55 GMT
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Yes, indeed the Beardless magneto telegraph was in use during the civil war.
This was in the same family of telegraph instruments as the needle telegraph.
The needle telegraph was invented in Europe about 1840 and using by the
English railroads well into this century.
I suspect that the magneto telegraph was abandoned in favor of simpler and
faster telegraph instruments.

Neal McEwen  K5RW
The K5RW wire and wireless telegraph museum and historical library.



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:54 1995
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Subject: Re: Flames!!
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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From: [e-mail]

Jeffrey, use some smarts!
The more that you insult someone in a public forum, the more they are
going to insult you back in that public forum.

Your pathetic attempts to manipulate and control people are not going to
work!

Any time someone posts a piece of used equipment at a price above retail
people are GOING to respond and point it out. Part of the reason is that
we all remember when we were newcomers to amateur radio and were
green enough to not know what used equipment prices were running.

Trying to single me out for ridicule is not going to work JEFFREY, you
oaf! There are plenty of others who will do the same over on r.r.s.
when people try to rip off others.

Jeffrey NH6IL writes:

JE>Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
JE>Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
JE>Organization: University of Hawaii

JE>[e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:
JE>>RK wrote:

JE>>>Folks.. If you don't like someone's post, hit the enter key!
JE>>>If you think someones prices are too high, hit the enter key!

JE>>Why should we have to just because you try to order us around Ronnie?


JE>Here's why, Brian et al:

JE>========================================================================
JE>Subject: A Guide to Buying and Selling on rec.radio.swap
JE>Summary: A guide to the rec.radio.swap newsgroup, providing a
JE>         description of the group and its charter, net-wisdom on the
JE>         best use of this forum, and some brief netiquette notes.
JE>         Also provides general guidelines for the other forsale and
JE>         marketplace forums.
JE>Keywords: faq ham amateur radio cb buy sell swap netiquette

JE><skipping a few paragraphs>

JE>Please do not post discussion articles to this group. If you really must pos
JE>please do so to the appropriate discussion group. Use email whenever possibl
JE>especially if you feel someone has committed a breach of etiquette.

JE><rest deleted>
JE>======================================================================

JE>Yes, I've violated the charter by posting this but it was sent to Brian
JE>via email in the past and he apparently ignored it. Maybe now he'll start
JE>abiding by the charter just as the other 50,000+ readers do.

JE>Sorry folks,
JE>Jeff NH6IL
---
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Subject: Re: Shoddy work by RF Concepts
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>)They are the States' side reps and service for Diamond antennas.
>)We had simular incompetent work on an antenna that made two round trips to
>)them.

>I believe you are confusing two companies. RF Parts is the USA rep for Diamond
>as well as selling various power transistors and FETs.


Yup, sorry.  My mistake.
Ken.


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From: [e-mail] (Ken Thompson)
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In article <3t5d04$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jphudy) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Jphudy)
>Subject: Descrambler
>Date: 2 Jul 1995 02:05:56 -0400

>You can build your own cable descrambler for under $15 using parts you can
>get from your local electronics store(Radio Shack). For instructions, send
>$3 (cash or money orders please)
>and a self addressed stamped envelope to:

>S. Keeley

Forget it.  There are a number of scrambling techniques used and the chances
of a simple one being in you area are small.  Trying to get ones money back
from a PO box, for bogus information, will be difficult.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:55 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: **Vote on the Vanity Callsign Issue**
Date: 3 Jul 1995 09:45:27 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>You can either show your support or opposition on the Vanity callsign
>issue, by casting a vote vote on the Web at:
>(http://www.csz.con/sarrio.html). You will also see your vote recorded in
>real time. 73's Ray
>
>--
>Ray Sarrio Co.
>http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html

Bad news Ray, too late.  The FCC has enacted the rule and has decided on a fee
schedule.  So, in a nutshell, you're a day late and a dollar short.

73, Greg
N9PBD




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From: [e-mail] (Ron Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Antenna Deed Restrictions in Flordia
Date: 3 Jul 1995 11:38:17 GMT
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In <3t5br7$[e-mail]> Don Latimer <[e-mail]>
writes:

>
>Fellow Operators:
>
>I live in a deed restricted community in the Tampa Bay area.  I should
>have known better.  Anyway, there is an antenna restriction that
>prohibits all types, including satellite dishes since the restrictions
>were drafted in 1980.  Seems to me they are a little outdated with the
>pace of technology.  If I decided to erect the tower that I've wanted
>since I was 12 years old, what are my changes of being successful at
>challenging the restrictions?  Has anyone in this area had a simular
>experience?  I am new to the Bay area (and Flordia in general) and don't
>know where to start researching this.  I am assuming that what is imposed
>on me is a restriction from the local home owners association and not a
>local city/county ordinance, because I see all types of antenna farms in
>other non-restricted communities.  Its hard for me to believe that these
>restrictions carry any weight in regard to amateurs with the frequency of
>emergency management activity in this area and its value to the
>community.  Any direction, suggestions, or support you can provide via
>EMAIL or this newsgroup would be most helpful.  TNX
>
>73,
>
>Don, N5KHB
>
>[e-mail]
>
>

I am not an attorney, but deed restrictions generally are very enforceable, as
I understand it. By buying the property the courts conclude that you
voluntarily have agreed to the restrictions on the property.

My advice is to locate an ARRL Volunteer Counsel and have them assess the
situation for you.
--
Ron Klein - W0OSK
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[e-mail]





From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (frank mackenzielamb)
Subject: FOR SALE  R7 Vertical Ant
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Hello All,

I havew for sale a 1 year old Cushcraft R7 vertical antenna. Coverage is
from 40-10 meters....was used on rooftop..pulled in some good signals
with DX pileups barefoot.  I have moved to ranch house and use all band
dipoles.

Cost $175....and you ship....if interested pse leaqve message here or
call 508/655-8775 after 5PM EDT.....

73 and fb dx..
De Frank  NG1I
Natick, MA



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From: [e-mail] (Bob Parnass, AJ9S)
Subject: Re: How to _remove_ a ground rod?
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Clamp a Vise Grips tool onto the ground rod.

Then, place a car jack between the Vise Grips and the ground.

Open the jack to lift the ground rod a few inches out of the ground.

Reposition the Vise Grips lower on the rod and repeat the previous
step.
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:11:58 1995
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Subject: WANT- MANUAL  TELCO PRODUCTS  2 METER AMP
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I need information on a 2 meter power amplifier.

It is made by a company I cannot locate.

        TELCO PRODUCTS COPR.
        GLEN COVE, NEW YORK.

THE AMPLIFIER IS
        COMMANDER 180 VHF POWER AMPLIFIER

        10 WATTS IN  80 WATTS OUT.

Any help locating or copying an owers or service manual
will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Ken
WA4EGW




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[e-mail] (Bob Parnass, AJ9S) wrote:
>
>
>Clamp a Vise Grips tool onto the ground rod.
>
>Then, place a car jack between the Vise Grips and the ground.
>
>Open the jack to lift the ground rod a few inches out of the ground.
>
>Reposition the Vise Grips lower on the rod and repeat the previous
>step.
>--
>
Bob's method will work.  I am fortunate enough to have a tractor and I
use the hydraulic hitch instead of the car jack.  I also made a
pipe lever, about 4 foot long, with a short, hinged leg near the front
and an attached piece of chain that wraps around the object in the
ground.  I use this device to pull electric fence posts.  The type of
soil varies the grip mother nature puts on the rod so your mileage may
vary. I am an electrician and have nearly lost fingers over the years
pounding ground rods.  One of my favorite tools is a metal handled wood
splitting maul called the monster maul.  I place the hollow handle over
the ground rod and work it up and down.  This holds the rod while driving
it and saves the fingers as well as the need for a helper. A similliar
device could also be made from a length of pipe with one end blanked off.
(the heavier the blank, the better)

73 KD3LZ



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 03 13:12:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Hall)
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Subject: Re: WWW page for JPS Communications
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 15:12:43 GMT
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[e-mail] (Chuck) wrote:

:In article <3t72jm$[e-mail]>,
:   [e-mail] (Doug Hall) wrote:
::For those interested, JPS Communications, makers of DSP noise filters
::and other radio-related products, has a page on the WWW. The URL is:
::http://emporium.turnpike.net/J/JPS/jps.html
::
:Are you THE Doug Hall, as in "The Doug Hall Interface" for the Link-Com
:repeater controllers?  Just curious.  :^)

Nope, not the same person, although I met him at Dayton, and like most
folks I know named Doug Hall, he's a pretty nice guy :-)

73,
Doug Hall (the other one) KF4KL
JPS Communications, Inc.
Raleigh, NC







From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:28 1995
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| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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I get QSL cards that say "A.R.S. K1OIK", why would anyone write that?
The post office has  N O   idea what A.R.S. means.

I hear hams say "clear and listening." Why would anybody say that?
Clear means you are leaving the air, listening means you are staying.
Which is it?

On repeaters I hear a station call another but when there is no reply,
the calling station comes back and says "nothing heard." Does the caller
think we are all deaf and feels a requirement to state the obvious?


After I sent the above I did get this response ON PACKET:

To: K1OIK
Subject: Re:A.R.S.
Path: KQ1K

Shame on you Burt - you rambunctious little devil!! Did you not realize that
ars means "always ready for sex!!"
stay frosty and keep blowing on the coals!



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:29 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Dirty DXers
Date: 4 Jul 1995 15:20:14 GMT
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[e-mail] (Zack Widup) wrote:
>

>(2) Senegal is not a rare DX country. Perhaps it was in the early 80's
>but I reacll it wasn't rare then, either. 6W6JX is on frequently; I have had
>many nice ragchews with him and others in that country. The guy who did
>that must not get on the air much!!   :-)
>
>                                       73, Zack W9SZ

Well Zack, for those of us who are not loaded with KW amps and stacked
arrays 6W6 is rare. I have had DX contacts interupted by DXers who had no
class. They are the same type of people that count sexual conquests as a
notch on a belt. Do not ask either type about love.


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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:30 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Burt Fisher and mikes (??)
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[e-mail] (R. Wiley) wrote:
>Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Come on Burt, if you spent as much time as you imply
>enjoying your wife we wouldn't see nearly as many of
>your dim witted provcations. Are you trying to
>attract our attention because you can't get any
>from her?
>
>NE0R

Interesting thought.
Those that talk don't do. Those that do, don't talk.


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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:31 1995
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[e-mail] (Daniel Senie) wrote:

>)You are the idiot.
>)In most areas ham radio serves no purpose other than to cause old fat white
>)dirty men to sit on their butts. There are exceptions but they are
>)EXCEPTIONS.
>
>Perhaps you have just defined yourself. Let the rest of us stand on
>our own merits. Since you have made such an authoritative statement
>as to the physical, hygienic and kinetic attributes of the Amateur Radio
>community, you could back up your statements with the data used to make
>these sweeping statements?


I attend club meetings and flea markets.
I am white and old (49) but my weight is 184 6"0" and shower every year like
most hams.

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:32 1995
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From: Gareth Crispell <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: How to _remove_ a ground rod?
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, but I'm not sure the easiest way to get this
>rod out of the ground!  Can anyone offer suggestions?

No question about it - getting a 8ft rod out is way to labor intensive
for the sake of 10 balloons.
As for insertion, if you have a power grindstone, sharpen one end into
a good point - get a six foot ladder and even a 3 lbs hammer will send it
home.

--






                 ..as for the mysteries of the
                Universe...they knew them not...


  And in the time of their visitation they shall shine, and run
  to and fro like sparks among the stubble.

  gareth     e-mail    [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Sparks)
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Subject: 1 Hour Code Course?
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 1995 18:03:09 -0700
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[My apologies if this is a duplicate post.  I tried posting it last
night, but the news server was having problems, and I strongly
suspect it never went out...]

They say that anything that sounds "too good to be true" ...
probably is...  In the July issue of "73 Amateur Radio Today", the
publisher (Wayne Green) is offering for $5.00 what he calls the "1
Hour Code Course".  It's described as follows:

        Anyone (including you) can learn the Morse Code in one hour!
        Forget the No-Code License and get your Tech-Plus Ticket!
        Guarantee:  You'll pass the 5 wpm code test with Uncle Wayne's
        system or YOU GET A 100% REFUND!

Has anyone ordered and received this?  What's the gimmick?  Does it
work?  The description doesn't indicate whether it's a book, or a
tape, or a computer program, or what.

-----
Dave Sparks -- KD6PDZ -- [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:34 1995
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>If the current limiter is in the charger, the battery will blow up,
>if it is in the set, it will charge. Best is to try and let us know
>what happened.  :-)
>
>73, Moritz DL5UH

err....i have NO idea, it's a IC-2GXAT

thanks....hardehaurhar :)

DAvid
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:35 1995
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>The current limiter is in the set, as far as I can tell.  I have done this
>very thing for several years now, with no problems at all (and no exploding
>batteries, either).  Actually, the stock charger is just a standard power
>supply rated at 12V, 200mA.  That alone would blow up the battery pretty
>quick.  So go with it!
>
>Have fun!
>
>Russ  KI7FL

cool, thanks :)

DAvid
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Milton D. Miller II)
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Subject: Re: Where did packet newsgroup go?
Date: 4 Jul 1995 23:47:11 -0500
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In article <3tcuc5$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>   "Arthur E. Sowers" <[e-mail]> writes:
>>  I noticed in my Hahn & Stout that there is supposed to be a packet
>>  newsgroup, but this internet provider says it doesn't exist. Can anyone
>>  tell me if it does exist somewhere?
>
>check out 'rec.radio.amateur.packet' ....
>nothing in there when i checkt.

Probably because it has been replaced with rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
(both to be more general and because there was going to be another group
that didn't pass its group).

milton
--
Milton Miller  KB5TKF  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:36 1995
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Subject: Re: Fastest way to learn CW ?
Date: 5 Jul 1995 00:26:37 GMT
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In article <3tcbit$[e-mail]>,  <atkes@$IMAPSERVER> wrote:
>BUDDY10 ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: What is ,in your opinion,the fastest and easiest way to learn CW ?

Before one can answer this question, one has to ascertain what speed
CW is the goal. Fast and easy methods that work for 5wpm do not work
at 13wpm.

Using fast and easy methods to learn 5wpm, I learned it in a couple
of hours. Fortunately, I actually used CW as a mode for a year after
that, which automatically increased my speed to around 20wpm. IMO,
on-the-air contacts are a much more enjoyable way to increase code
speed than listening to a computer. After one masters QSB, QRM, and
QRN, machine generated audio code is a snap.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
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Subject: Re: CW yes or no?
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Bill Sohl  Budd Lake ([e-mail]) wrote:
: gregory brown ([e-mail]) wrote:


: : Well, actually, considering the number of folks now who take the code
: : test to upgrade, then immediately throw away their keys...it's a good
: : bet that a considerable majority of them _are_ asking for "HF
: : voice-only licenses."  But that's somewhat beside the point.  "Fun" or
: : not, the point is that Morse is required because it is deemed an
: : important skill in international communications.  :
    ^^^^^^^^^

: Just because the ITU treaty still includes a requirement that ham
: have the ability to use CW does not logically lead to any
: conclusion that the ITU implies it is still an important
: skill today.
: -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Perhaps you have read some ITU proceedings which I missed.  Please
tell us why the ITU still requires Morse for HF access...other than
that they deem it an important skill in international communications.
That's the stated reason.  Or is this another or those dang insidious
international conspiracies again?

Greg



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From: [e-mail] (Richard Todd Perry)
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Subject: Re: Radio training loop
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In article <3ta9q3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>In article <3su4g6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>
>>Can Anybody help me?
>>
>>I need a circuit of a system which allows about 7 people to transmit and
>receive on a closed loop sy
>
>You could run all of the rigs into dummy loads, making sure the rigs are
>on lo power.  If you are all located within a couple of rooms of each
>other this should work.
>
>Chris
>


Wouldn't this be illegal? (Transmission w/out a licence)

Anyway, I don't think he was looking for real radios. I think he meant that he
was looking for a way to have 6-7 people talk back and forth to simluate a QSO
or two before they get on the air. I would suggest looking at garage sales for
intercom systems. (Baby monitors, that sort of thing.) Just get ones that can
go two way, wire 'em up, and away we go.....

--
                        Regards,
                        R. T. Perry
                        KF4BAL
                        GMOO
- The world is divided into two groups of people: Those that own HP's
and those that yell "HEY! Where's the equals sign?"



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:39 1995
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test



OL>Does anyone know of clubs offering VE testing in the
OL>Palo Alto CA area?

OL>Thanx in Advance!
OL>[e-mail]
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 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Hooked my car battery backwards....no my horn sucks!

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:39 1995
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Subject: cw xtl for HW101 needed
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OL>I have to replace the CW xtl in my HW101. I headr a "pop" and lost CW
OL>output but still have the sidetone. ie. fractured xtl. Does anyone have
OL>one lying around or address of supplier of this xtl...3395.4 KHz
OL>tnx in advance and 73'2 WA2EAW...Bob
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 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Gravity:  Not just a good idea, it's the law

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:40 1995
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Subject: cw xtl for HW101 needed
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From: [e-mail]
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OL>I have to replace the CW xtl in my HW101. I headr a "pop" and lost CW
OL>output but still have the sidetone. ie. fractured xtl. Does anyone have
OL>one lying around or address of supplier of this xtl...3395.4 KHz
OL>tnx in advance and 73'2 WA2EAW...Bob

Ok Bob, I think I have one.....give me acall
JIm

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (WA3AFS)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: power supply for battery
Date: 5 Jul 1995 08:36:30 -0400
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I have both the ICOM IC2SAT and the IC2SRA which i have modified an
alkaline battery pack (BP
90 I think) with a dc plug which can go to a power supply or car lighter.
This way I can operate
the IC2SAT without continually charging the internal battery (and it is
more convenient than having
another wire going into the top of the radio).

               - Bruce       [e-mail]
Bruce Goldstein,  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Atkins)
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Subject: Re: Radio Kit Sources
Date: 5 Jul 1995 09:14:09 -0500
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Michael Markmann ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I know this list was posted just last week, but of course after it
: dissappears is when I realised that I should have grabbed it. Would the
: person who posted the 7 parts originally kindly mail them to me? It would be
: much appreciated.

God, I hate to say it.  I HATE to say it, but  "M E   T O O,  P L E A S E !"
Thanks,
--Atkins



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:42 1995
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Subject: Re: cw is here to stay!
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 09:18:00 -0500
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]

PR>>Sorry, folks, but sometimes CW is a good choice. Maybe not the theoreticall
PR>>perfect or best choice, but a good one. Why is this so difficult to accept?
PR>>Why MUST my backpacking trip advance the state of the art of radio? It's a
PR>>vacation, not a master's thesis!

PR>Tom, I don't think that anybody is proposing outlawing code. Just that it
PR>doesn't need the preemenent place it currently holds.

Ha - ONLY for those who don't know what they are missing!

HF and CW - now THAT is REAL RADIO!
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:43 1995
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Subject: Fastest way to learn CW ?
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <3tc86t$[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 09:18:00 -0500
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]

Finally! The first INTELLIGENT remark about CW all summer!

BU>What is ,in your opinion,the fastest and easiest way to learn CW ?

Hello Buddy. I started with a friend using a CW practice oscillator, and
went to classes at a local technical school. I also used tapes and
records, but the MAIN thing I did was listening to hams on the air,
in the NOVICE segments of the bands, i.e. 7100 - 7150 kHz mostly.
Once I had the speed up enough to pass the easiest test, I found that
the best way to build up my speed was to get on the air and make
contacts. AT first I would only get about 50% of what the other station
sent, but eventually I got more and more. It was worth the effort.
Now I have a blast on CW. I can make contacts when the guys who only
operate SSB and digital modes are sitting around waiting for someone
to talk with them! Last night I chatted with stations in Hungary and
Macedonia even though propagation has been awful, and I only have a
100 watt rig with a low dipole antenna.

Happy CW learning! 73 de AF4K, Brian
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:43 1995
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Subject: Amateur Radio / Naturist
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 09:18:00 -0500
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From: [e-mail]

RR-K>Amateurs affiliated with the American Association for Nude Recreation, the
RR-K>Naturist Society and the Federation of Canadian Naturists will observe
RR-K>the 20th Annual North American Nude Awareness Celebration during the week
RR-K>of July 3rd thru 9th. Special Event stations will be operating near the
RR-K>following frequencies: 7.265, 14.265, 21.365 and 28.465 MHz +/- QRM. For
RR-K>personalized certificate, please send QSL card and 9" X 12" SASE to Bob
RR-K>Redoutey, KF5KF, PO Box 200812, Austin, TX 78720-0812. SWL confirmations
RR-K>are also welcome.

Will you guys remove the top & bottom covers from all of the rigs
before going on the air? :-)

Oh, and don't forget to strip the insulation off the wires on your
antennas!

73 de AF4K, Brian
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 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ YUPPIES: Yes Under Peer Pressure I Eat Sushi.



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (marc ellis)
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Subject: newsletter explores radio history and technology
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 10:16:52 -0600
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During my going-on-ten years as antique radio columnist for
Popular Electronics magazine, I've seen interest in the antique
radio hobby grow by leaps and bounds. A little over a year ago,
I decided to supplement the column--which is largely project-
oriented--with a new publication devoted to systematically ex-
ploring radio history, hardware, theory and restoration prac-
tices. The result was The Radio Collector, a bimonthly newslet-
ter edited for the thoughtful and inquiring reader who may also
be a newcomer to the hobby. Contact me at [e-mail]
to receive a detailed info package by e-mail.

Marc Ellis, N9EWJ
Editor and Publisher, The Radio Collector
Contributing Editor, Popular Electronics Magazine



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Watts)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: GERMAN ham radio stores???
Date: 5 Jul 1995 11:02:43 -0600
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Guten Tag.
        I'm off to Germany for some business and some fun, and I'd like to
visit some radio stores, probably in the Frankfurt aM and Munich areas.

Any suggestions???

galen, KF0YJ


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Kirkby)
Subject: SSB If filter - wanted.
Sender: [e-mail] (Usenet News System)
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Anyone got an IF filter (8 pole or more) with a bandwidth of 2.4 KHz (6dB points)
that they want to sell? I would prefere a centre frequency of 9.0 or 10.7MHz.


If so, let me know the spec and price.


Dave Kirkby G8WRB.






From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (JEFF SUMBERG)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HAM FESTS ??
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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J6>Can anyone please post Ham Fests around the new england area. Thanks

My club has a hamfest coming up in August on the 19th (Saturday). In
Oakland NJ (Northern NJ), about 25 minutes from the Tappan Zee Bridge.

Further details and directions if you feel this is close enough for you
to attend.

--
73 de N2VYU
Jeff

 * 1st 2.00d #32s * .


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Darryl Smith)
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Subject: Re: The Forbidden Drawing
Date: 5 Jul 1995 11:28:03 +1000
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To all those concerned...

I think distribution of the image is wrong. There is some artistic merit
in that immage.

Unlike the Yellow Pages and more importantly the White Pages and callbook.
In the USA the white pages are not copyright because they have NO artistic
metit at all.

Although minimal this drawing had some merit. Roger Harrison (Presuming
he owns copyright and not the liquidator of the magazine) is entitled
to payment for his work, just as you or I are.

Lets stop using the internet to distribute a drawing which has been
publically noted that copyright exists on

Darryl VK2TDS
[phone]






From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Gunshannon)
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Subject: Need help with an ICOM HT.
Date: 5 Jul 1995 11:30:07 GMT
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Is there anyone here with a manual for an ICOM Micro2AT HT??  I could sure
use an ASCII representation of the PL chart.  I haven't seen my manual since
about 3 moves ago and now, all of a sudden, I need to use PL for the first
time in all my years in ham radio.  Can anyone help??

bill   KB3YV

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[e-mail]         |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton   |
Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to _remove_ a ground rod?  It's out!
Date: 5 Jul 95 12:24:37 -0800
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In article <3tcobl$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (James Messer) writes:
> One person pushed up on the pipe, and I twisted the ground rod out
> with the pipe wrench.  In all, it took about 30 minutes (a LONG thirty
> minutes, here in South Florida with 90+ degrees).

I think I'd have opted to spend the extra $10 and bought a new one...

Ken

__________________________________________________________________________
Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Theodore Henry Phares)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 900mhz spread spectrum & GMRS in JA?
Date: 5 Jul 1995 12:31:43 GMT
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Hi,

Does anyone know if Japan shares the same freq. allocations in the 900
MHz band as the U.S. as far as spread specturm digital comm. is
concerend?  our group will be atteneding a race in Suzuka this August
and we'd like to know whether or not the telemetry system in our
vehicle (Fluke HYDRA w/wireless modems) will be a source of
intereference.

Also, does anyone know where the Japanese 2m business band (kind of
like our GMRS) lies?  I'd like to know if our voice radios (RS
htx-202's) will work there, too.

Thanks,

--
ted phares - kd6bgl
  university of california, berkeley - mechanical engineering
    uc berkeley solar vehicle project -
http://www.me.berkeley.edu/calsol


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: WANT- MANUAL  TELCO PRODUCTS  2 METER AMP
Date: 5 Jul 1995 12:36:05 -0400
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[e-mail] wrote:

: I need information on a 2 meter power amplifier.

: It is made by a company I cannot locate.

:       TELCO PRODUCTS COPR.
:       GLEN COVE, NEW YORK.

: THE AMPLIFIER IS
:       COMMANDER 180 VHF POWER AMPLIFIER


I looked in the several catalogs I have handy.  The Lafayette Manual Man,
908-238-8964, has one.  His catalog doesn't list prices, so you will have to
contact him for a quote.

73, Ed
--
Ed Hare, KA1CV, ARRL Laboratory, 225 Main, Newington, CT 06111
203-666-1541 [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Payne )
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Subject: Scouting based freq's needed / also need band chart
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I have been volunteered to operate a low band station for a Boy scout
summer camp next week.

I would like to know any suggested freq's. nets, etc. for SSB that
would be interesting to scouts.  I have not been on for over 15 years
so any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

I also need a band chart, is there any where I can download one?

73

Scott Payne
WA4CHL
Troop 488
Largo, FL


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
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Subject: Where is a ham "for sale " newsgroup?
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In article <3t39ki$[e-mail]> Burt writes:

  > I would like to buy a pretty female ham, a 1960s model rig will do.

  What happened to your wife Burt? Sell her off as New Old Stock?
  Or as they say over on r.r.s "mint"

--
    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
    guns, why should we let them have ideas."             -- Joseph Stalin

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 US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749       Phone: [phone]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Burt Fisher and mikes (??)
Date: 5 Jul 1995 13:11:19 GMT
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In article <3t19mk$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
|> [e-mail] (Ken Edwards) wrote:
|>
|> >Gee Burt,
|> >
|> >You make all kinds of ludicrous statements,
|>
|>
|> In the eyes of the beholder.
|>

Let's see Burt, you made these beauties:


Hams have no bedroom activities. The mike is a subsitute.

I thought hams were boring, not stupid.

I cannot control hams, no one can control the dead.

To see if there is a ham with human feelings.

It could be worse Larry, the kids of today could be like hams, never with an
original thought.


|>
|>
|> >BTW, Burt, I can't even imagine what your vision is with this mike subsitute
|> >thing.   ????   Oh well, I guess as a ham and MORE IMPORTANTLY a husband and
|> >father, I have no need for such wild fantasies myself....
|>
|> You do have the important part correct.
|> What is your idea of a fantasy? Working a rare tropical island OR being on
|> that island with your wife?
|>
|>
|>


Gee Burt, I have NO NEED for fantasies...


--
======================================================================

Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: amateur radi obsolete?
Date: 5 Jul 1995 13:13:13 GMT
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In article <3t39g8$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
|> [e-mail] wrote:
|>
|> >When I was in the USAF, several commanders ordered our MARS stations
|> >closed because "we don't need the capability now that we have cellular
|> >phones".  Same logic.  What idiots.  And the comm people didn't even
|> >argue.  Bigger idiots.
|>
|> You are the idiot.
|> In most areas ham radio serves no purpose other than to cause old fat white
|> dirty men to sit on their butts. There are exceptions but they are
|> EXCEPTIONS.
|>

Burt, you are the exception to the Amateur Radio service.  MOST hams are not
a***@|**  !!

--
======================================================================

Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Where is a ham "for sale " newsgroup?
Date: 5 Jul 1995 13:15:21 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Lines: 26
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <3te399$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <3t19ob$[e-mail]> <3t293s$[e-mail]> <3t39ki$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: b4pph13e.bnr.ca

In article <3t39ki$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
|> [e-mail] (Mario Mere') wrote:
|> >Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:
|> >
|> >>You want to buy a ham that is "for sale?"
|> >
|> >Georgia or Danish????
|> >73 de N1SGN
|> >Mario MerΘ
|> >[e-mail]
|>
|> I would like to buy a pretty female ham, a 1960s model rig will do.


And Burt complains about how "hams" treat their wives.  This indeed is (another)
insult to his.

--
======================================================================

Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What others say:
Date: 5 Jul 1995 13:25:10 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Lines: 15
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <3te3rm$[e-mail]>
References: <3t4dov$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: b4pph13e.bnr.ca

You get one agreement from someone about a small part of the hobby, and you
have to post it three times to make it look like you have more suppport.


Pitiful !!!

--
======================================================================

Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Burt Fisher and mikes (??)
Date: 5 Jul 1995 13:26:29 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Lines: 29
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <3te3u5$[e-mail]>
References: <3s9a93$[e-mail]> <3sn886$[e-mail]> <3srpmu$[e-mail]> <3t19mk$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <3tbmbc$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: b4pph13e.bnr.ca

In article <3tbmbc$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
|> [e-mail] (R. Wiley) wrote:
|> >Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
|> >
|> >Come on Burt, if you spent as much time as you imply
|> >enjoying your wife we wouldn't see nearly as many of
|> >your dim witted provcations. Are you trying to
|> >attract our attention because you can't get any
|> >from her?
|> >
|> >NE0R
|>
|> Interesting thought.
|> Those that talk don't do. Those that do, don't talk.
|>


Hey kids, the clown just hit himself over the head, AGAIN !!!


--
======================================================================

Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: amateur radi obsolete?
Date: 5 Jul 1995 13:29:16 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Lines: 37
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <3te43c$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <3t39g8$[e-mail]> <3t6a51$[e-mail]> <3tbmhg$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: b4pph13e.bnr.ca

In article <3tbmhg$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
|> [e-mail] (Daniel Senie) wrote:
|>
|> >)You are the idiot.
|> >)In most areas ham radio serves no purpose other than to cause old fat white
|> >)dirty men to sit on their butts. There are exceptions but they are
|> >)EXCEPTIONS.
|> >
|> >Perhaps you have just defined yourself. Let the rest of us stand on
|> >our own merits. Since you have made such an authoritative statement
|> >as to the physical, hygienic and kinetic attributes of the Amateur Radio
|> >community, you could back up your statements with the data used to make
|> >these sweeping statements?
|>
|>
|> I attend club meetings and flea markets.
|> I am white and old (49) but my weight is 184 6"0"

You are indeed your own  incarnation of the "typical" ham you loathe

|> and shower every year like
|> most hams.
|>
|>


No wonder your postings "stink".

--
======================================================================

Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Burt Fisher, Trouble Maker (was Re: Grade this term paper?
Date: 5 Jul 1995 13:34:55 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Lines: 71
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <3te4dv$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: b4pph13e.bnr.ca

In article <3t4dmk$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
|>
|>
|> -- [e-mail] (Ken Edwards) wrote:
|>
|> >|> 1. Whatever I am, I am honest.
|> >
|> >This assertion can be easily proven false.  Anyone making inclusive statements
|> >about a large group of individuals, and claiming unflattering characteristics
|> >about all within that group is anything but honest.
|>
|> What does an opinion have to do with telling the truth? You cannot point to a
|> single lie I have told. If I ever said ALL hams were anything, I was wrong. I
|> should have said MOST. Wrong is not the same as a lie.
|>

I questioned your HONESTY, not your Truthfulness

Gee Burt, a teacher and you do not know the difference.  Frightning for the
children of America


|> >|> 2. I do not INTEND to upset people.
|> >
|> >Did you write this with a straight face ??
|>
|> Absolutely.
|>

Then you MUST be pathological.

|>
|>
|> >|> 5. Burt does not go away if ignored (why don't you practice what you preach?).
|>
|> >
|> >Didn't you mean (6) ??   Really a teacher that cannot even count.  I agree
|> >that you will not go away with simple ignoring.  You will however, will
|> >refuse to respond to those who turn your (cough cough) "wit" (cough cough)
|> >back towards you.  So my advice to all those listening, give Burt his
|> >trouble maker attitude back, plus.
|>
|> Yes I guess I was wrong again. I can count but cannot type. I respect wit. I
|> admit when I am defeated or wrong. You have caught me on some minor points.
|> There are those that with their wit make me look like a fool but you are not
|> one of those.
|>

I do not even need to try to make you look like a fool, YOU do a fair enough
job of that yourself.

|>
|>
|> >Oh, yes Burt.  I expect you to ignore this as well !!
|>
|> Like I am now?
|>
|>


Only after the third dare, and you could not ignore me any further.  Really
Burt, you are nothing more than a name-calling, class-clown playground bully.
--
======================================================================

Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Shilkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Burt Fisher and mikes (??)
Date: 5 Jul 1995 13:45:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 40
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <3te517$[e-mail]>
References: <3s9a93$[e-mail]> <3sn886$[e-mail]> <3srpmu$[e-mail]> <3t19mk$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <3tbmbc$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-wh6-03.ix.netcom.com

In <3tbmbc$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

>
>[e-mail] (R. Wiley) wrote:
>>Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>>Come on Burt, if you spent as much time as you imply
>>enjoying your wife we wouldn't see nearly as many of
>>your dim witted provcations. Are you trying to
>>attract our attention because you can't get any
>>from her?
>>
>>NE0R
>
>Interesting thought.
>Those that talk don't do. Those that do, don't talk.
>
>
>--
>
>#================#====================================================
#
>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics
|
>| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)
|
>|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt
|
>#================#====================================================
#
>| [e-mail]    [e-mail]       [e-mail]
|
>#=====================================================================
#
>
>

Is that kinda like:
Those that can, do.  Those that can't, teach?



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:14:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Sandy Lynch)
Subject: Re: Dumb and dumber
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
References: <3tbm09$[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 14:11:49 GMT
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Sender: [e-mail]

Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:
: This is a multi-part message in MIME format.


Say ...... this kind of stuff really should be over on the newsgroup
rec.radio.amateur.policy ..... where people really care about it and
are always ready to offer opinions.  Take it there ......  puhleez. ;-)

Sandy



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Landis - Systems & Network Mgr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to _remove_ a ground rod?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 5 Jul 95 14:32:43 EST
References: <3t58j6$[e-mail]> <3t6s6a$[e-mail]> <3t7svf$[e-mail]>
Distribution: world
Organization: North American Drager - Telford, PA
Lines: 47

I was going to say use a backhoe. Been there, done that, when we had an
addition built. Bent the rod. But I think the following may just work for
removal as well. Just disconnect the clamp, using a length of pipe large enough
to slip easily over the rod, (1" maybe?) turn the water on and ease the pipe
down over the rod. when you get down 8 feet, pull the pipe out and the rod
should be loose. It may even come up with the pipe!

In article <3t7svf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard Todd Perry) writes:
> This, of course, won't help you with the old one, but I read about an
> interesting way of putting in a new one that might be easier (and make it
> easier to get out later, if/when). I think I read this in 73, but it may be
> somewhere else, too...
>       Basically, go down to the local hardware store and get decent size
> copper pipe (I used 3/4") with the thickest wall you can buy. They typically
> come in 10' length. Also buy a 90 degree elbow and a fitting for a garden
> hose. (you can skip the elbow if you need to, but I found it works better).
> Sweat solder the fitting and elbow on to one end of the pipe, and take the
> other end and cut it on a 45 or greater angle. This should leave the end
> looking something like a hypodermic syringe.
>       Take it to the site, attach the hose, and turn on the water full
> blast. Let it run for a little bit then put the pipe in the ground. I didn't
> need to force it at all. If it hung up, I just let the water work for a minute
> or so, and then tried again. When it's all the way in, turn off the water,
> disconnect the hose, and give it a day or so to let the ground dry back out
> and set. Then just de-solder the connection, if you want to save that. I left
> mine in, personally.
>       I had a friend of mine that moved his shack to the "other" side of his
> house that had this type of setup. He just attached the hose, turned on the
> water, waited about 15 minutes for the ground to get saturated, and pulled it
> out. Simple.
>       Only hitch is that I would suggest not wearing anything that you mind
> getting wet, as it's hard to do this without swamping a small section of your
> yard (and yourself).
>       I tried getting an old- normal style - rod out once. We wound up using
> a stump puller, in the end. The rod was basically ruined after that (cause we
> kinda bent it pretty hard with the stump puller).
>
> Good luck!
> --
>                         Regards,
>                         R. T. Perry
>                         KF4BAL
>                         GMOO
Joe - AA3GN
--
Joe Landis - Systems and Network Manager - North American Drager - Telford, PA
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:02 1995
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From: "Jean-Franτios Gagnon" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: DXpedition to Pictou Island - XJ1CWI - Announcement
Date: 5 Jul 1995 14:52:37 GMT
Organization: Canadian Meteorological Centre
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                        DX-PEDITION ANNOUNCEMENT
                   XJ1CWI - Pictou Island, Nova Scotia
                        Amendment 1, 1995-07-05

Members of the West Island Amateur Radio Club (WIARC) of Montreal will be Dx-
peditionning to Pictou Island, a small island in the Northumberland Strait between Nova
Scotia and Prince Edward Island, Canada (45°49'N lat., 62°35'W long.) between July
27 and August 3 1995 with emphasis during the IOTA contest (29-30 July).

Pictou Island is a rare island in the IOTA group (Islands on the Air, NA-154) and in the
Canadian Islands Award group (NS-05).  The special callsign XJ1CWI will be used.

Operations will be on or near the following frequencies (MHz):
  CW and SSB (HF and VHF)
         1.835, 3.510, 3.795, 7.050, 7.250, 10.110, 14.040, 14.195, 18.080, 18.120,
         21.040, 21.320, 50.11 and 144.3
  RTTY (HF)
         7.090 and 14.090

By popular demand, we will operate even more satellite than previously announced,
namely:
  RS-10, RS-12, RS-15, AO-10, AO-13 and FO-20
on the voice and CW frequencies to allow a maximum number of contacts.

Due to the declining propagation, much effort will go into good antennas on 40, 80, and
160 Meters.  Operators of the 3 HF and 1 VHF/satellite stations will be: Reg (VE2AYU),
Al (VE2DAV), Fred (VE2SEI), Jeff (VE2TBH), Helen (VE2YAK), Ben (VE3ISN), Al
(VO1NO), Lowell (VY2OX) and Vicki (soon to be VE1?).

Time and active frequencies will be as propagation, weather, and operator stamina
permit.  Helen, VE2YAK will be especially looking for YLs.

Please address QSLs to:
  The West Island Amateur Radio Club Inc.
  P.O. Box 884
  Pointe Claire/Dorval, Quebec
  H9R 4Z6
  Canada

and address inquiries to:
  Fred Archibald (VE2SEI)
  130 Embleton Crescent
  Pointe Claire, Quebec
  H9R 3N2
  Canada
  Tel: [phone]
  Fax: [phone]

or Email to:
  Jean-Francois "Jeff" Gagnon (VE2TBH)
  [e-mail]

The special prefix is to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the first man sailing
around the world in solo.  In 1895 Nova Scotian Captain Joshua Slocum left Boston to
begin his circumnavigation of the Earth in the 36-foot sloop Spray.  Three years and
46,000 miles later he completed his journey, landing in Fairhaven, Massachusetts.
This Nova Scotian Dxpedition to this semi-remote island will be dedicated to him.

Hope to hear you on the air!
73 de XJ1CWI


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:02 1995
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From: Patric Lavigne <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How to mail from Packet to Internet ?
Date: 5 Jul 1995 15:18:58 GMT
Organization: La Mienne
Lines: 14
Message-ID: <3teah2$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: dd07-003.compuserve.com
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC)
X-URL: news:rec.radio.amateur.misc

Is anybody tell me the trick to mail a text from Packet to Internet and
vise versa adress lik this :

Bla bla Bla bla Bla bla Bla bla

From  VE2TAP

To L [e-mail]

Patric Lavigne
VE2TAP
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:03 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARLB067 ARRL president steps down
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Date: 5 Jul 1995 15:51:40 -0400
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB067
ARLB067 ARRL president steps down

ZCZC AG34
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 67  ARLB067
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  July 5, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB067
ARLB067 ARRL president steps down

On July 1, 1995, American Radio Relay League President George S.
Wilson III, W4OYI, submitted his resignation from the office he has
held since January 1992.  Mr Wilson, who suffered a stroke on
February 11, presently is in a rehabilitation hospital in
Evansville, Indiana.

Mr Wilson said that while he has made progress in rehabilitation,
his medical condition prevents him from traveling and from devoting
the energy required to perform the duties of the office for the
remainder of his term, which expires at the January 1996 meeting of
the ARRL Board of Directors.  He expressed his appreciation to the
members of the Board for the opportunity to serve.

''The League has my undying love and support,'' he said.

In accordance with the ARRL By-Laws, First Vice President Rodney J.
Stafford, KB6ZV, has been performing the duties of president since
Mr Wilson became incapacitated in February.  With Mr Wilson's
resignation, Mr Stafford becomes president for the remainder of the
term.  The next ARRL vice president in the order of succession, Jay
A. Holladay, W6EJJ, becomes first vice president.

Upon completion of the rehabilitation program in Evansville, Mr
Wilson will return to his home in Owensboro, Kentucky.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:04 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARLX028 CY3IARU at IARU meeting
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX028
ARLX028 CY3IARU at IARU meeting

ZCZC AX97
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 28  ARLX028
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  July 5, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX028
ARLX028 CY3IARU at IARU meeting

All Amateur Radio-licensed delegates and observers to the
International Amateur Radio Union Region 2 conference in Canada in
September have been extended temporary operating privileges for the
duration of the conference.

Industry Canada, the country's licensing authority, extended the
privileges.  The conference, to be held in Niagara Falls, Ontario
September 25 to 29, 1995 will have an amateur station, CY3IARU,
operating from September 22 to October 1.

The conference, formally called the XII General Assembly of
Delegates, IARU Region 2, is being held in Canada for the first
time, and will be hosted by the Radio Amateurs of Canada.  It will
be followed by a meeting of the IARU Administrative Council.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (R.Baxter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,uk.radio.amateur
Subject: IC-735 vs FT-840
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 95 16:43:37 BST
Organization: University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.
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Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Hello - this is my first posting,
        I have heard a lot of good things about the ICOM IC-735 as a
reliable rig for a club and for use on expeditions. Also it seems to
be highly recommended for use on offshore yachts. I would like to ask
for any opinions on the use of the Yaesu FT-840 in similar situations.
        This rig seems to be much more modern and I would like to know
if there are any advantages or disadvantages over the ICOM that
I have missed.The secondhand prices seem to be comparable in the UK so
I see no way of distinguishing between the two. I know that the Kenwood
TS-50 has also been recommended but this seems to fall into a higher price
bracket which our club cannot afford.
        I am primarily interested in its suitability for use on a sailing
expedition and as a base station for university club use. A Trio TS-130
had also been recommended as a suitable cheaper alternative.

        I would be grateful for any info/opinions on this and advice from
anyone who has experience in maintaining communications with a boat
travelling from the Mediterranean via the Red Sea and across the Indian Ocean.
I have heard that Maritime Nets exist but only have info about the States
and Pacific not the Indian Ocean. Many thanks for any help that you can
offer.
Richard Baxter



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Hommel)
Date: 05 Jul 95 17:23:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARIZONA SHUTTLE RELAY FRE
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Organization: WoodyWare Software, Inc.
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MI>From: [e-mail] (Mike)
  >Subject: ARIZONA SHUTTLE RELAY FREQUENCIES?
  >Organization: FlatLands

MI>Howdy!
  >I was wondering if anyone knows the channels that ham operators relay the
  >shuttle communications while it is on mission. let me know by e-mail, or
  >at least to this newsgroup. Thanks!

MI>[e-mail]

MI>Mike


MI>---
  > * Origin: Usenet:FlatLands (1:2619/599)


Hi, Mike.

The Goddard Space Flight Center ARC re-broadcasts shuttle-ground com. on
the following HF freqs.:

3860 kHz

7185 kHz

14.295 mHz

21.395 mHz

28.650 mHz

A FAQ I read about the club indicated these broadcasts were dependent
upon volunteers' time schedules, flight crew "day" sched., special
events in the flight sched., etc. You may want to inquire locally if
anyone re-transmits NASA Select TV out there. Hope this helps.

73,

Bill KA9QFJ
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Hommel)
Date: 05 Jul 95 17:34:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HAM/AMATEUR ACRONYMS
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AT>From: [e-mail] (Atkins)
  >Subject: HAM/AMATEUR ACRONYMS
  >Organization: Louisiana State University

AT>Could someone tell me in as much detail as space and time allow, what
  >exactly each of these mean, please:

AT>ARRL
  >CW
  >AM
  >FM
  >NFM/WFM
  >VFO
  >UHF
  >VHF
  >HF
  >MW
  >LW
  >SSB
  >HT
  >LSB
  >USB
  >HAM
  >SIMPLEX/FULL DUPLEX
  >RTTY
  >PACKET
  >SWR
  >QSL
  >QST
  >QSO
  >CTCSS
  >DXing or "DX"
  >DTMF
  >MARS/CAP
  >CQ
  >RIT
  >IF NOTCH FILTER
  >IF SLOPE TUNER
  >FULL BREAK IN/SEMI BREAK IN
  >WORLD BAND
  >AMATEUR BAND
  >HAM BAND
  >SHORTWAVE BAND


AT>Thanks,
  >--Atkins


AT>---
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I would advise you to obtain a copy of the ARRL Handbook. ARRL, by the
way, stands for the American Radio Relay League. They are HQ'd in
Newington, CT. This publication should answer most of your questions.

73,

Bill KA9QFJ
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:07 1995
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From: Patric Lavigne <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help send from packet to Internet ?
Date: 5 Jul 1995 17:41:18 GMT
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Is anybody can help me, I whant to send message from Packet to
Internet Adress like this, From : VE2TAP-2  to : [e-mail] !

Is it possible ?

Patric Lavigne
VE2TAP
[e-mail]
or here

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Hommel)
Date: 05 Jul 95 18:33:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Houston we have a problem
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KW>From: [e-mail] (Keith Wyatt)
  >Subject: Houston we have a problem!
  >Organization: The Computer Factory BBS [phone]


KW>What's the problem taxpayer?
  >We can't afford any more exploration.
  >Do you know that those pots & pans you cook on were created by the space
  >program?
  >My pots and pans are made of metal and you didn't create that!
  >No, No ignorant, misguided taxpayer the teflon frying pans.
  >:taxpayer: So what. Pam does the same thing.
  >NASA:No if we get more tax money for our space station we can create more
  >     useful items for consumers.
  >Taxpayer: Like what?
  >NASA:What about life in the universe? Don't you want to find out if we are
  >alone
  >?
  >Taxpayer:WHAT TYPE OF CONSUMER ITEMS?
  >NASA:Excuse me sir, are your taxes all paid? Maybe we should call the IRS.
  >Taxpayer:Never mind! Besides I want to watch my cable TV program now. Thats
  >         one thing worth paying for.

KW>NASA:Do you know how put the satellite in space?
  >Taxpayer:Of course I do, it was HBO and Turner broadcast. Now goodbye! Click

NASA: Oy Vey! We're just not getting through to these people.

Hi, Keith!

Your sketch is sad, but true. Houston, we have a 'PR'oblem! What NASA
needs are a few Info-babes or some better coverage by the mainstream
media. NASA's biggest problem is that they do things so well, so
organized, so orchestrated, they have made what they do seem too easy to
pull off. This doesn't make for a juicy news story, so they (the media)
 have to dig for "doomsday dirt" to broadcast. I watched an interview
with the Atlantis/Mir 18-19 crews and "Mr. Nightline" Ted Koppel. He
eluded to the Mir 18 commander that he knew they had a small fire aboard
Mir, and asked how they dealt with the problem. The CDR. looked
bewildered and replied that he knew nothing about said fire. Ted then
said he must have been misinformed, but pressed the CDR. again with
"well, If you DID have a fire, what would you do?" This went on for
several minutes. No questions about the mission objectives, just
questions about worst case scenarios and what to do about them. I
wanted to reach into the TV and slap Koppel silly. His line of
questioning was ridiculous. It's frustrating to see this go on. I'd love
to see someone at NASA to have the gonads to stand up to this kind of
crap, but being militant about a subject/cause will only brand one a
zealot, and bring more of the same sensationalist B.S. journalism we've
come to expect from the mainstream media.

If I had the resources of a Ross Perot or a Bill Gates, I'd do it
myself, with my money, on MY paid-for prime time "News from NASA."
( You can bet I'd throw in a few "Info-babes" for good measure. If big
boobs can sell anything else, they should be able to sell a space
program.)

73 from a "BIG" (6'4" 250#) NASA fan/supporter/advocate/2 STS-QSL's in
the bag,

Bill Hommel III  KA9QFJ

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:10 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Information reg. ham radio
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Hi!
I am interested in finding some information reg. ham radio,
exams, licenses etc. Is there any http site on the internet...?
If so can any of you post that...?
Thanks

S Rao





From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Nathan Jachimiec)
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Subject: Illinois Hamfest
Date: 5 Jul 1995 19:34:35 GMT
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The Hamfesters Radio Club will have its 61st Hamfest at the Will Country
Fairgrounds in Peotone, Illinois on August 6th.

For information view the WWW hamfest flyer at

http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~njachimi/


[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Bushong)
Subject: Re: DSP experiences and comments please
Organization: Wang Software
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 19:46:30 GMT
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In article <3tadl2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>   Do the DSP's really work? Will they pull out say an s7 ssb signal
that
>is being blocked by an s9 heterodyne from a foriegn broadcast station on
>40 meters? Any experiences or recommendations as to brand or model would
>be most appreciated.

Yes, they work better than this skeptic thought they would.  You can
listen to some WAV files of CW, RTTY, and voice that I've uploaded to our
FTP server:

ftp://ftp.wang.com/dbushong/ham/dspread.txt

will give you all the details.

Enjoy, 73,
Dave KZ1O



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
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Subject: Re: Information reg. ham radio
Date: 5 Jul 1995 20:06:05 -0700
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[e-mail] recently wrote
      in <[e-mail]>:

: I am interested in finding some information reg. ham radio,
: exams, licenses etc. Is there any http site on the internet...?
: If so can any of you post that...?

the easiest way is to go to a search site.

try    http://www.yahoo.com/

then use the search option to type in      amateur radio

you will find over a hundred different amateur radio pages!

several clubs have the rules on their pages as well as pointers to local
classes and examinations.  check out   http://www.ccnet.com/~rwilkins/

Have Fun!

Bob



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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry AD3Y)
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Subject: Re: Dirty DXers
Date: 5 Jul 1995 20:32:05 GMT
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It's not just US DXers. There is just as large a
percentage of rotten DX operators in Europe and
South America. We just have a larger base of
operators. I blame 5BDXCC for alot of these antics.
One contact with a country should be enough for an
award, not one for each band and mode.

Larry - AD3Y- [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Glenn Sparks)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 1 Hour Code Course?
Date: 5 Jul 1995 20:42:35 GMT
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In <3tc5av$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

>Hi Dave, in previous NSD editorials, Wayne has told how to pass the
>5wpm CW test the easy way. 1. Visually learn the code; 2. During the
>5wpm CW exam, write down the dots and dashes; 3. During the multiple
>guess part of the test, manually mentally decode only what you need to

>answer the questions. I don't know if the one-hour-method above
follows
>this previously suggested pattern or not.
>
>My comment: It works for 5wpm multiple guess if the VEC will allow
>it. It won't work for 13wpm.
>

Not true, I watched in amazement as a kid wrote - and | for dots and
dashes at 13 wpm test, then wrote the letters above them to pass.  He
was sweating like a pig when done, and still shaking, but he passed

>An average human brain will automatically unlearn the "bad" method and
>learn the "good" method if Morse code is used often for QSOs and you
>realize that you must eliminate the dot-dash mental step to achieve
>

True, the same individual now has his extra license and can copy code
at over 25 WPM.

Now from someone who tried every method to short cut, none worked for
me, then I tried the 20 minutes a day for weeks, still didn't work, an
ex marine radio operator told me, 20 minutes, ha, I didn't get a 20
minute break in 8 hours (probably walked 20 miles in snow to get there
also).


I modified a code practice program pulled off the net, to send groups
of 5 letters over and over, random, but always the same 5 letters.  I
listened for 2 to 3 hours a day for 2 weeks, first one group, then
another, then mixed groups, and finally all letters and numbers.  I
passed the 13 WPM fine, would have gotten the 20, except I didn't learn
the double dash, or punctuation which would cause me to miss the next 4
or 5 letters afterwards.

I would like to say I still use it, but I don't much, always intend to
get back into it, but haven't.  Must be lazy, or maybe it is because I
spend to much time building my own stuff and restoring antique gear.  I
did get a Vibroplex bug, so I may start using it to say I am using a
bug.

I must say though, with the style of learning I did, I can still 5
years later copy almost as well as the day I took the test.

KI5GY  Glenn Sparks


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BUDDY10)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Good rig for a NOVICE(about $1000.00) ?
Date: 5 Jul 1995 21:14:00 -0400
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Recomendations for a new rig for a NOVICE operator ?   What can I expect
for around that price($1000.00) ?

 [e-mail]  (Scott Powell),  Nickel dime shoeshine,don't let your
meat loaf !


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Jessup)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Snot-hole Morse code bigots
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 21:26:50 UNDEFINED
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

>Nope. Within the last week or two Gary made reference to CW possibily
>damaging the brain (over on r.r.a.policy). That wasn't the first time
>he mentioned this.

>Jeff NH6IL

Well hello there, Jeff.  How ya been??

CW and it's relation to brain damage...now THERE'S a subject to
bring me outta the deep background!  Perhaps not just CW itself,
but amateur radio as a whole is taken way too seriously by many
of it's advocates.

Perhaps an analogy...  Just a month or two ago in the weekly "Electronic
Engineering Times" newspaper, I read an article on the very real possibility
that VR (virtual reality) may cause damage to the neorological signal paths in
the brain.  It would appear that when people "live" under a VR helmet for too
long, the "motion" that they "see" is way out of line with what the the inner
ear (balance, coordination) tells one's body is actually happening.

Alternate neurological "paths" are grown inside of one's brain during the VR
experience.  Later, while back in the real world, a person's brain can have a
VR relapse of sorts.  Those new neurological paths "grown" during the VR
experience can later trigger, and cause your preception of what is actually
occuring at a given instant to be seriously distorted, perhaps resulting in
serious physical injury to yourself or others.

Back in CW land, one's brain is repeatedly trained to become a human modem.
A very machine-like function, way out-of-line from the cognitive, emotional,
artistic and social skills the human brain is best suited for.   When all
is said and done, the time spent training a human brain to emulate the
functions of a modem is lost, never to be recovered.

The current ARRL incentive system serves only to prolong and encourage
this twisted way of "communicating".  They have, in effect, "put the cart in
front of the horse".  The machinations of the communication process take
precedence over the content of the message itself.  So much so, that
tradition becomes more important than technical advancement.  So much
so, that competency in ONE mode is tested for above all others in every
amateur radio licence class except TECHNICIAN.  So much so, that even
the General class theory test is pretty much of a joke.

After too much exposure to CW, one experiences CW flashbacks similar
to the VR experiences above.  One tends to line in "CW land", where
Q-code terminology, the pursuit of the simplest methods of communications
and a noise-filled contact only for the sake of another log entry take center-
stage to all other concerns.   The flashbacks occur even in real life.  For
example, a fellow ham leaving his callsign and signing out after leaving a
message on my home answering machine!!  Not as a joke, but simply because
such "communication" techniques became THE main mode of discourse for that
individual.  Even to the exclusion of family members and any real "non-ham"
life in general. Soon, divorce became the only option for this radio amateur's
wife.

Have you read Clifford Stoll's book, "Silicon Snake Oil"??  It's loaded with
humor, widsom and insight on the information highway (internet) and some
of it's false promises.  I just may write a similar book regarding amateur
radio.  ;-))

Fire away Jeff!  ;-))


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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:17 1995
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From: Pat Hunt <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: crystaldyne amplifiers circa 1924
Date: 5 Jul 1995 21:28:23 GMT
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Request info and sources of zincite crystals or negative resistance
characteristics of these amplifiers.  Please respond to
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Dolkas)
Subject: Re: How to _remove_ a ground rod?
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Robert C. Martin ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (John Amdor III) wrote:
: <snip>
: >Of course, if if was my choice, I would just hacksaw it flush with the
: >ground and install a new rod at the new house.  $10 is $10, but my time
: >is worth something to.  (My $0.02 worth)
:
: I think it would be even easier to just sledge hammer the old ground
: rod all the way flush with the ground (rather than hacksawing it), and
: spend $10 for a new ground rod!

Given the work I exerted putting mine in, those last few inches would not
be possible after all this time.  The only way to lower the elevation of the
rod would be to raise the rest of property.

Go to your local nursery and get a $.99 pack of flowers and hide darn thing.

Greg  KO6TH


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Apple Petition for Rulemaking "NII Band"
Date: 5 Jul 1995 22:22:55 -0400
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[There is a "cyberlobbying" attempt to support Apple's new "NII Band"
proposal.  Check out URL
http://www.warpspeed.com/appleniipetitionrelate_277.html
for more detail]

In the Matter of
Allocation of Spectrum in the 5 GHz Band
To Establish a Wireless Component of the
National Information Infrastructure

To: The Secretary

PETITION FOR RULEMAKING;

Apple Computer, Inc. ("Apple"), pursuant to Section 1.401 of the Federal
Communications Commission's ("FCC" or "Commission") Rules, 47 C.F.R.
Section 1.401, respectfully requests that the FCC initiate a rulemaking to
create a new unlicensed wireless radio service consisting of 300 MHz in the 5
GHz range, which will promote the full deployment of a National Information
Infrastructure ("NII"). This "NII Band" would extend the effective reach of the
NII, making possible high-bandwidth access and interaction throughout a
limited geographic area, where mobility is key, and providing as well for a
wireless element of "community networks" serving a larger area.

Specifically, Apple proposes that the FCC:

* allocate for use as part of the NII Band the 5150-5300 MHz band, a shared
private-government band that currently is not heavily used within the United
States and has been allocated throughout most of Europe for unlicensed
wireless local area networks;

* allocate for use as part of the NII Band the 5725-5875 MHz band, a shared
private-government band that currently is used by unlicensed Part 15
technologies, industrial, scientific and medical ("ISM") devices, and Amateur
operators; and

* adopt technical rules governing operation of unlicensed technologies in the
NII Band.

The NII Band would provide capabilities that are not now possible using any
other present or proposed technology: wired or wireless, licensed or unlicensed.
It would support users engaged in ad hoc, peer-to-peer communications, those
operating as part of a wireless local area network ("LAN"), and those
communicating over longer distances, who lack access to adequate alternatives.
It would hasten the full development of the NII and help to ensure that no
segment of society will be excluded from tomorrow's information-based world.
In short, an allocation of 300 MHz, within which unlicensed devices would
operate pursuant to an agreed set of technical rules, will assure that all
Americans have the opportunity to participate in and benefit from a
fully-developed, fully-integrated information infrastructure.

The essential characteristics of the NII Band are as follows:

* Adequate bandwidth: The NII Band would provide sufficient spectrum
resources to accommodate a wide range of high-bandwidth video, voice, and
high-speed data applications, up to 24 Mbps or more, for large numbers of
users.

* "Part 16" operation: NII Band technologies would operate in protected
spectrum and in conformance with an overarching set of technical rules.

* Open entry: All compliant technologies would be permitted to operate within
the band.

* Equal access: All devices and types of communications would have equal
access to the spectrum resource.

* Limited technical rules: Technical standards would be set at the minimum
level necessary to assure equal access, giving manufacturers the flexibility to
design a variety of devices suited to different types of communications needs.

* Longer distance: Users would be able to employ directional antennas
without paying a power penalty, in order to support community networking and
similar applications.

The bands proposed for use as an NII Band would build upon current spectrum
allocations. In particular, the lower of the two sub-bands has been allocated
throughout most of Europe for HIgh PErformance Radio Local Area Networks
("HIPERLAN"), while the upper of the two is used within the United States by
unlicensed Part 15 devices. As a result, dedication of these spectrum resources
to the NII Band would increase U.S. competitiveness and create new export
opportunities by enabling U.S. manufacturers to develop products for use in both
the NII Band and as part of European HIPERLAN networks; provide
interoperability between U.S. and European markets, thereby furthering the
creation of a Global Information Infrastructure ("GII"); and dramatically expand
the applications that can be supported by, and the market for products operating
in, the 5 GHz ISM band. Moreover, as discussed below, these goals can be
achieved while accommodating most current and proposed uses of the
5150-5300 and 5725-5875 MHz bands.



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Regional Warning Centre)
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Subject: IPS Daily Report - 05 July 95
Followup-To: aus.radio,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Date: 5 Jul 1995 23:08:56 -0000
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 05/2330Z JULY 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 05 JULY AND FORECAST FOR 06 JULY - 08 JULY
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  80/20

GOES satellite data for 04 Jul
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   6.1E+04
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 1.4E+07 (normal)
       X-ray background: A4.7
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             06 Jul             07 Jul             08 Jul
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 06 Jul:  80/20

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 04 Jul
    Learmonth        4  2112 1111
    Fredericksburg   5                           8
    Planetary        8                           7

Observed Kp for 04 Jul: 3321 2321
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
06 Jul     8    Quiet
07 Jul     8    Quiet
08 Jul     8    Quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
05 Jul      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
06 Jul      normal         normal         normal
07 Jul      normal         normal         normal
08 Jul      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
05 Jul    28    near predicted monthly values

Predicted Monthly T index for July: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
06 Jul    20    Near predicted monthly values
07 Jul    20    Near predicted monthly values
08 Jul    20    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with some
night-time Spread F.  Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values.

--
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PO Box 5606                       | WWW: http://www.ips.gov.au/rwc/
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:24 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 2m Allmode or 10m w/transverter
Date: 5 Jul 1995 23:27:46 -0400
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I am interested in 2m, 70cm and up weak signal and satellite.
My interests are in a mobile setup, not bulky, expensive base
stations. Would I be better off buying a 2m Allmode portable
(with transverters for higher bands) or a 10m Allmode portable
with a 2m/10m transverter and 2m amp? I am a No Code Tech and
therefore have no HF priveleges at this time.  Currently my
only radio is a RS HTX-202 (2m FM).  I have seen 2m Allmode
portables for $350-400 used (about double that new).

Any advice on this topic and/or other transverter/amp info
would be greatly appreciated.

--Thanks
--
---------------------------------------------------------------
  Todd Owen (KE4UDN)         Virginia Commonwealth University
  [e-mail]      Richmond, Virginia
---------------------------------------------------------------


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Apple Petition for Rulemaking "NII Band"
Date: 5 Jul 1995 23:32:55 -0700
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Thomas Grant Edwards ([e-mail]) recently wrote
                  in <3tfhdv$[e-mail]>:

: [There is a "cyberlobbying" attempt to support Apple's new "NII Band"
: proposal.  Check out URL

: http://www.warpspeed.com/appleniipetitionrelate_277.html

: for more detail]

For those of you who have trouble typing looooong word URLs try

http://www.warpspeed.com/      Thank you Dewayne !

Apples proposal involves taking away One Hundred Fifty MHz of spectrum
from the Amateur Radio Service at 5.7 GHz and using it for a propriatary
high power vary wide band data network.

They are not satisfied with the current Part15 sharing of the same spectrum.

Comments are due to the Commission by the tenth of July.

Bob
--
     Bob Wilkins                     work    [e-mail]
 Berkeley, California                home    [e-mail]
     94712-2354                      play    n6fri@n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.noam




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (R.Baxter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: re:IC-735 vs FT-840
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 95 00:55:32 BST
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Sorry - followups to rec.radio.amateur.equipment of course
or by email direct please...especially any info on marine
nets or advice. Thanks.
Richard



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:26 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New Ham needs help/advice BADLY!
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 01:33:25 -0500
Organization: Delphi ([e-mail] email, 800-695-4005 voice)
Lines: 3
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X-To: <[e-mail]>

And, as W. Churchill said, "Never Give Up". Let others along the way quit.
Just say to yourself that no matter what you will keep going. The reward
is great, it is worth all the work to get there.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Woolf x4760 1J-310 (nq8230100))
Subject: ICOM 471H: Need Service Info
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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        I am trying to troubleshoot a problem with my ICOM
        IC-471H and I am in need of someone with a service
        manual for this radio.  I have the schematic and think
        I have isolated the problem down to the PLL board
        and in particular the xtal oscillator, 9X multiplier
        and amplifier chain of Q1 through Q4.  I need to know
        if the service manual provides any information about the
        signal levels I should see along this chain.  Also any
        adjustment procedure provided for these stages would be
        helpful.

        The symptoms I am having is that there is significant
        drop off in xmit output power (it is variable, but
        sometimes as much as from 70 down to 10 watts) when
        tuning through 440.000 to 439.999.  I know that the xtals
        for the oscillator switch at this frequency and I do see a
        minor change in the signal waveform at the output (test
        point J4) of the chain when the oscillator switches.  I am
        suspecting that the gain through the multiplier chain is too
        low and this is causing the output to the PLL (IC3)mixer to
        be very marginal.  It also may be that the xtal for the lower
        10MHz is weak.  The reason I am suspecting it is more than just
        a weak xtal is the the power output even on the upper
        10MHz is highly variable both over frequency and over
        time.

        I would appreciate any help from someone with a service
        manual for this radio.

                                        Thanks,
                                        Dave Woolf - K8RSP
                                        [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Leigh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 2 Meter Sporadic-E Opening on July 5
Date: 6 Jul 1995 02:22:01 GMT
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Anyone catch the CA to CO/NM/UT sporadic-e (?) opening on July 5?  I did;
am really excited about it, and just gotta brag.

When I got home from work around 4pm local time, I'd heard a rumor of
"unusual" openings on 144.200, so I turned on my 25 watt 2 meter
all-mode, and was astounded to hear stations in New Mexico and Colorado.
I attempted to call on SSB, with no luck, so I switched over to CW.
Working CW/SSB cross-mode, I was able to work two NM and one CO stations,
more or less off the side of my fixed beam.  Also heard at least one UT
station, but could not work it.  The opening must have lasted at least
90 minutes.

Over the years I've skimmed the VHF column in QST magazine, and never
quite belived the reports of long-haul 2 meter openings, but I do now.

Also, while I support the Codeless Tech license, I hope CW never
quite leaves VHF, as I probably could not have made these contacts
without it.  I also have a three watt Icom 502 six meter SSB/CW QRP rig
attached to a vertical, and have been able to work several states.
Usually the SSB station can't hear me on voice, but switching over to CW
for a brief cross-mode QSO usually works.  Yes, I could get an amplifier,
but am afraid of the TVI in my apartment hosue.

Long live (VHF) CW and 73 from Leigh/KM6JE in Santa Barbara/DM04.



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Leif Ericksen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VEs in Miami
Date: 6 Jul 1995 03:24:55 GMT
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        A co worker has a friend living in Miami, that wants to become a
ham in the US.  He is from India and is said to know code because his father
is a ham in India.  Can anybody tell me where this person can go to get his
exam in the Miami Florida area.

        Please respond via email to reduce net clutter.


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[e-mail]       If you can hear it does it matter?
                            www page: http://miso.wwa.com/~phantom/
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: [WANT] Review of Standard C508A
Date: 6 Jul 1995 04:39:57 GMT
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I am strongly considering purchasing this little radio within a month or
so, and wanted net reviews before the purchase.

To the best of my knowledge, Standard has been (one of) the best
companies to offer "DC to daylight" receive, amazing noise filtering
to reject interference, and incredibly rugged construction.

I know the transmit coverage with the stock antenna and tiny output power
is only good for local coverage.

How is receive around the broadcast FM band (100 - 108 Mhz)?

Also, how about receive around 200 - 350 Mhz?

Thanks much for any and all reviews.

--
Scott Ehrlich, E-mail: [e-mail], Web: http://lynx.neu.edu:8000/~sehrlich
Boston ARC ftp archives: ftp oak.oakland.edu /pub/hamradio    Amateur
Boston ARC Web page: http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc.html  Radio Callsign:
ARRL Web page: http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc/arrl.html       wy1z


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:31 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Callsign servers on the WWW.
Date: Thu,  6 Jul 95 04:45:43 GMT
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Keywords: Callsign, database, servers

        Does anyone know the location of a FORIEGN CALLSIGN database
server on the Web?  I know of two U.S. callsign servers:
     http://www.mit.edu:8001/callsign
and
     http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html
I'm sure there are more direct ways of accessing these but the above
addresses work nicely for me.  But, how about foreign calls?  There
are a slew of new prefixes coming out of what once was the old USSR
and other European locations. 73.
Don, K1IDF



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:31 1995
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Subject: Re: Burt Fisher, Trouble
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 04:47:00 -0500
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From: [e-mail]

Ken writes to Burt Fisher:

KE>In article <3t4dmk$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
KE>writes:
KE>|> >|> 1. Whatever I am, I am honest.

KE>I questioned your HONESTY, not your Truthfulness

KE>Gee Burt, a teacher and you do not know the difference.  Frightning for the
KE>children of America

Don't you see Ken? You guys are giving Burt EXACTLY what he wants!
Total domination of the echo.
He is desperate for attention and you guys are giving him what he wants,
I got 8-10 messages on here this afternoon, and almost every one of them
is either written TO or ABOUT Burt Fisher.

Please. If you just ignore him, he will stop it!
73 de AF4K
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Gone Chopin . . . Bach in a minuet.



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Terry Sterkel)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Apple Petition for Rulemaking "NII Band"
Date: 6 Jul 1995 07:01:56 -0400
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The Wireless Information Networks Forum, the only industry association
dedicated to unlicensed wireless access filed, after public meetings with
industry and government officials their petition.  If you want to
understand the issues, and the alternatives, here is the public record.

Be informed, check it out!

BBS: 202/639-4469
TelNet: t1bbs.t1.org (199.183.75.7)
FTP: ftp.t1.org (199.183.75.3)
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for Telnet/BBS:  Join Conference #39 <j;39>


In rec.radio.amateur.misc [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri) said:
>Thomas Grant Edwards ([e-mail]) recently wrote
>                  in <3tfhdv$[e-mail]>:
>
>: [There is a "cyberlobbying" attempt to support Apple's new "NII Band"
>: proposal.  Check out URL
>
>: http://www.warpspeed.com/appleniipetitionrelate_277.html
>
>: for more detail]
>
>For those of you who have trouble typing looooong word URLs try
>
>http://www.warpspeed.com/      Thank you Dewayne !
>
>Apples proposal involves taking away One Hundred Fifty MHz of spectrum
from the
>Amateur Radio Service at 5.7 GHz and using it for a propriatary high power
vary
>wide band data network.
>
>They are not satisfied with the current Part15 sharing of the same
spectrum.
>
>Comments are due to the Commission by the tenth of July.
>
>Bob
>--
>     Bob Wilkins                     work    [e-mail] Berkeley,
>California                home    [e-mail]
>     94712-2354                      play
n6fri@n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.noam
>
>
--
[e-mail]
...on the road...and in the ether...


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dewayne Hendricks)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Apple Petition for Rulemaking "NII Band"
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 07:10:49 -0700
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In article <3tg02n$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins
n6fri) wrote:

>Thomas Grant Edwards ([e-mail]) recently wrote
>                  in <3tfhdv$[e-mail]>:
>
>: [There is a "cyberlobbying" attempt to support Apple's new "NII Band"
>: proposal.  Check out URL
>
>: http://www.warpspeed.com/appleniipetitionrelate_277.html
>
>: for more detail]
>
>For those of you who have trouble typing looooong word URLs try
>
>http://www.warpspeed.com/      Thank you Dewayne !
>

   For those without WWW capability you can also get a copy of the
petition as follows:

ftp:  ftp.warpspeed.com
gopher:  gopher.warpspeed.com


>Apples proposal involves taking away One Hundred Fifty MHz of spectrum
>from the Amateur Radio Service at 5.7 GHz and using it for a propriatary
>high power vary wide band data network.
>
>They are not satisfied with the current Part15 sharing of the same spectrum.
>
>Comments are due to the Commission by the tenth of July.
>
   My read of the petition doesn't give me the impression that Apple is
trying to take away 150 MHz from the amateur service.  Their plan is to
share that spectrum with hams and Part 15 devices.  I also don't think
that they plan to allow devices that operate under this new service to use
high power.  I believe that the power levels would be similar to those
used today by Part 15 devices.

-- Dewayne

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:35 1995
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[e-mail] (Kevin Jessup) writes:

>After too much exposure to CW, one experiences CW flashbacks similar
>to the VR experiences above.  One tends to line in "CW land", where
>Q-code terminology, the pursuit of the simplest methods of communications
>and a noise-filled contact only for the sake of another log entry take center-
>stage to all other concerns.   The flashbacks occur even in real life.  For
>example, a fellow ham leaving his callsign and signing out after leaving a
>message on my home answering machine!!  Not as a joke, but simply because
>such "communication" techniques became THE main mode of discourse for that
>individual.  Even to the exclusion of family members and any real "non-ham"
>life in general. Soon, divorce became the only option for this radio amateur's
>wife.
>
>Have you read Clifford Stoll's book, "Silicon Snake Oil"??  It's loaded with
>humor, widsom and insight on the information highway (internet) and some
>of it's false promises.  I just may write a similar book regarding amateur
>radio.  ;-))
>
>Fire away Jeff!  ;-))

Ummm, well, ah, dang. I wish you would have sent the above in code. I'm
at a loss to respond...

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Jessup)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: amateur radi obsolete?
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 09:20:57 UNDEFINED
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[e-mail] (Daniel Senie) wrote:

> In most areas ham radio serves no purpose other than to
> cause old fat white dirty men to sit on their butts. There are
> exceptions but they are EXCEPTIONS.

Well, a bit of an exaggeration, but I know what you mean.  Just attending
the AVERAGE, local amateur radio club meeting DOES Illustrate your
point, however.

I'm 38, and don't have enough time to devote to the technical aspects of the
hobby that interest me.  Not unless I also ignore my family and career.
I won't do that.  Lacking that time and not having found anyone else in the
immediate area with similar interests (spread spectrum LANS), I found
myself becomming the typical ham.  I almost got permanently sucked in...

I'd yack in round-table discussions for hours (while my wife sat lonely in
front of the TV set), build simple battery and antenna projects (whoopee!)
and basically "hang out" with the rest of the good-old-boys either at morning
breakfasts (laced with cholesterol), evening beer parties or swap fests.
I even <gasp> started learning CW!  Passed the 5 WPM and was up to
almost solid copy at 10.  But it got worse...

I stopped jogging.  My weight shot up and I stopped shaving and bathing.
Physical exercise, interpersonal relationships and personal hygiene just kept
getting in the way of those important contests.  Such things had to be put
aside if I were to become a REAL ham.  ;-))

I narrowly escaped with my sanity (and body!) intact.  Eventually,
I pulled the plug entirely and sold all my equipment.

I do have one 2-meter rig left in the car.  Comes in handy for NOAA
weather.  Whenever I feel the urge to get back into the hobby, I just listen
to the jamming and horseplay on the local repeaters.  Sanity quickly
returns  and I thus avoid running over to AES (just down the road from
home).


--
[e-mail]      Marquette Electronics, Inc
n9sqb                          Milwaukee, WI
http://www.mei.com             MarqEl NASDAQ



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Warren Rothberg)
Subject: Re: HAM FESTS ??
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[e-mail] (JEFF SUMBERG) wrote:

>J6>Can anyone please post Ham Fests around the new england area. Thanks

ARRL New England Division Convention
Manchester, NH
July 28, 29 & 39

Contact: Al Shuman, N1FIK
603-487-3333
[e-mail]

Enjoy,
Warren Rothberg, WB1HBB




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to _remove_ a ground rod?
Date: 6 Jul 1995 11:54:27 +0800
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>>In <3t58j6$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James Messer)
>>writes:
>>>
>>>I've had a ground rod installed in a location for about a year, and
>>>now I'm moving.  I'd like to take the ground rod with me (ten bucks is
>>>ten bucks, after all), but I'm not sure the easiest way to get this
>>>rod out of the ground!  Can anyone offer suggestions?
>>>
FWIW, would this help get it out?
Take a length of steel rod, say 1 metre or so long, and thread one end to
take a nut. fit the other with whatever it takes to attach to the top of
your earth stake. Now get a reasonably heavy weight (piece of scrap iron,
say, about 5kg), and fit it to slide on that rod. Hook the rod to your
earth-stake, thread on the weight, and screw home the nut (better, use 2
lock-nuts).
Now jerk that weight smartly upward against the nut(s), so jerking the
earth-stake upward.

Car mechanics have a device that works like this, they call it a "pull
hammer".

[Usual disclaimers apply: no liability assumed for any consequences of
using this advice. Obtain competent professional advice first]


--
David R. Brooks <[e-mail]>    Tel/fax. [phone]
"Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. It is a force.
Like fire, a dangerous servant and a fearful master." - G. Washington



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul A. Grayce)
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Subject: IC u02-AT CTSS
Date: 6 Jul 1995 12:24:45 -0400
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To: [e-mail] (Bill Gunshannon)
Subject: Re: Need help with an ICOM HT.
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In article <3tdt3v$[e-mail]> [e-mail] wrote:
: Is there anyone here with a manual for an ICOM Micro2AT HT??  I could sure
: use an ASCII representation of the PL chart.
[snip]

I just carry a list of the frequencies in my wallet and remember that
the switch is set up in binary... i.e., turn on the 1st section and
you have 67.0 (000001), the 2nd section (000010) gets you 71.9, the
1st and 2nd (000011) gets you 74.4, and so on up the line; if you
would like a copy of the original instructions, I can send one to you
...73, Paul, [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Nielsen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help send from packet to Internet ?
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 12:42:45 LOCAL
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In article <3teiru$hjo$[e-mail]> Patric Lavigne <[e-mail]> writes:

>Is anybody can help me, I whant to send message from Packet to
>Internet Adress like this, From : VE2TAP-2  to : [e-mail] !

>Is it possible ?



                             How to Use the WB7TPY
                          Packet <-> Internet Gateway

First, some brief operational notes:

(1) Messages must not contain any foul language, or commercial purpose.
(2) Messages can only be sent to countries that the United States has
    a third-party agreement.  All others will be destroyed.
(3) Messages from the internet should be less then 5K in length.
    No files should be sent.
(4) If you have questions, please do not hesitate to contact me either on
    packet radio: [e-mail]       -or-
    Internet    : [e-mail]                -or-
    Fidonet     : David Dodell @ 1:114/15

(5) Have fun.  Use the gateway as much as you like.  That is what it is
    there for.

                                    ------
                            From Internet to Packet
                                    ------


Send mail to the internet address of:

[e-mail]

The first line of text must contain a full packet address, preceded with the
word "Packet:"

For example, mail to my packet address, would have the first line of text;

Packet: [e-mail]


                                    ------
                            From Packet to Internet
                                    ------

Send as private mail (never a bulletin) to the packet address of:

[e-mail]

The first line of text must contain a full domained internet address,
proceeded with the word "Internet:"

For example, mail to my internet address, would have the first line of text;

Internet: [e-mail]


--------
Bob Nielsen                      Internet: [e-mail]
Tucson, AZ                       AMPRnet: [e-mail]
AX.25: [e-mail]  WWW: http://primenet.com/~nielsen/



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (SPBellamy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: grounding
Date: 6 Jul 1995 12:43:01 -0400
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For accurate and safe information on what you need to do for housepower
grounding and bonding, as well as grounding your Ham equipment, refer to
the 1993 National Electrical Code published by the National Fire
Protection Association (NFPA).  This code will be superseded later this
year by the 1996 code book.  The code is changed every three years, and is
used as a national standard by local municipalities.  These books are
available at electrical suppliers and through many college bookstores.
Many local Libraries have them as well.
  There are many codes that may apply to your particular situation, but
article 250 of the code covers grounding and bonding of power systems
while articles in the 800 section cover radio and TV installations.

73 de AA8MX


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,aus.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Australian 10m Band Plan
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Date: 6 Jul 1995 13:50:13 +1000
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Xref: grape.epix.net rec.radio.info:8662 rec.radio.amateur.misc:82332

Now that a lot more operators are coming onto 10m FM, it behoves them
to acquaint themselves with the Band Plan (unless you want to make an
obnoxious dork of yourself, a pastime in which some people apparently
revel).

I shall quote from the "Proposed Revised Band Plan" for 10m, dated 4th
January, 1995; it is expected to be ratified Real Soon Now (if it has
not already).  The author appears to be John Martin VK3KWA, Federal
Technical Advisory Committee Chairman.

10 Metres

28.0 - 29.7 MHz

28.000 - 28.200 NARROW BAND MODES                               (Note 2)
28.000 - 28.050         CW only
28.050 - 28.150         FSK (RTTY, Packrt etc)
28.150 - 28.200         CW only
28.190 - 28.200         IBP Beacon Segment                      (Note 3)

28.200 - 29.000 WIDE BAND MODES                                 (Note 2)
28.200 - 28.300         Existing Beacons
28.680 +- 5 kHz         SSTV
28.885                  International 6 Metre Liaison Frequency

29.020 - 29.180 DOMESTIC FM SIMPLEX                             (Note 4)
29.100                  Suggested national calling frequency
29.120                  VK2WI broadcast frequency (free plug :-)

29.200 - 29.300 WIDE BAND MODES                                 (Note 2)
29.300 - 29.500 AMATEUR SATELLITE DOWNLINKS                     (Note 5)

29.520 - 29.680 INTERNATIONAL FM SEGMENT                        (Note 6)
29.520 - 29.580         Repeater Inputs
29.600                  Simplex
29.620 - 29.680         Repeater Outputs


Note 1:         Band Access
Unrestricted and intermediate licensees may use the entire band.  Novices
may use CW and SSB only between 28.100 and 28.600 MHz.  Limited licensees
may use all modes above 29.000 MHz.

Note 2:         Modes
"Narrow Band Modes" include CW and digital modes (e.g. RTTY and packet),
using FSK and occupying bandwidths up to 1.12 kHz.  "Wide Band Modes"
include SSB, AM, narrow band FM and other modes with bandwidths up to
6 kHz.  FM bandwidths up to 16 kHz (as used on VHF bands) are permitted
only above 29 MHz.

Note 3:         Beacons
The beacon segments should be kept clear of all other transmissions.

Note 4:         FM Simplex
The channel spacing in 20kHz.

Note 5:         Amateur Satellites
This segment is used for satellite downlinks and should be kept clear
of all other transmissions.

Note 6:         International FM Segment
Repeater channel spacing is 20 kHz and the offset is 100 kHz.  The
simplex channel on 29.600 MHz is used for international simplex
operation.

[ Inserted for the interest and edification of 10m FM users and others ]

--
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:42 1995
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From: Chuck KD9JQ <reichert>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2 Meter Sporadic-E Opening on July 5
Date: 6 Jul 1995 14:04:02 GMT
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There was also a Sporadic E Opening July 1st ~ 16:30 19:00 GMT
from the Midwest.

I caught 8 Floridas, N1NLX/MM EL-76, and one EL-29.  Almost got
CO2OJ in EL-83 but came in too late from doing the lawn...always
a guarantee of a good E opening.  He heard me but I couldn't pull
his call out as he was fading.  AA9D & AA9DL did work him as
well as others.


FYI I'm in EN52XA


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|   KD9JQ ex KA7IXS,WA8NBD    708-358-3827 Home     |
|    Charles H. Reichert      708-632-6669 Work     |
|      955 Concord Ln.                              |
|  Hoffman Ests., IL. 60195   [e-mail]  |
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:43 1995
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From: Chuck KD9JQ <reichert>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2 Meter Sporadic-E Opening on July 5
Date: 6 Jul 1995 14:04:11 GMT
Organization: Motorola CIG
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There was also a Sporadic E Opening July 1st ~ 16:30 19:00 GMT
from the Midwest.

I caught 8 Floridas, N1NLX/MM EL-76, and one EL-29.  Almost got
CO2OJ in EL-83 but came in too late from doing the lawn...always
a guarantee of a good E opening.  He heard me but I couldn't pull
his call out as he was fading.  AA9D & AA9DL did work him as
well as others.


FYI I'm in EN52XA


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                      ( O O )
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|   KD9JQ ex KA7IXS,WA8NBD    708-358-3827 Home     |
|    Charles H. Reichert      708-632-6669 Work     |
|      955 Concord Ln.                              |
|  Hoffman Ests., IL. 60195   [e-mail]  |
=====================================================



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:44 1995
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From: Chuck KD9JQ <reichert>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2 Meter Sporadic-E Opening on July 5
Date: 6 Jul 1995 14:04:18 GMT
Organization: Motorola CIG
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There was also a Sporadic E Opening July 1st ~ 16:30 19:00 GMT
from the Midwest.

I caught 8 Floridas, N1NLX/MM EL-76, and one EL-29.  Almost got
CO2OJ in EL-83 but came in too late from doing the lawn...always
a guarantee of a good E opening.  He heard me but I couldn't pull
his call out as he was fading.  AA9D & AA9DL did work him as
well as others.


FYI I'm in EN52XA


--
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|   KD9JQ ex KA7IXS,WA8NBD    708-358-3827 Home     |
|    Charles H. Reichert      708-632-6669 Work     |
|      955 Concord Ln.                              |
|  Hoffman Ests., IL. 60195   [e-mail]  |
=====================================================



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Jessup)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Wars
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 14:34:44 UNDEFINED
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In article <3srt2i$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dana Myers) writes:

>What about the category you let out: people who "believe" in
>all modes of operation in amateur radio but also view the
>Morse requirements as no longer desirable?  In other words,
>someone who doesn't want to favor one mode over another in
>the licensing process?

We are in the minority and as far as anyone over at the
ARRL is concerned, that's just tough cookies.   Majority
rule doesn't always mean intelligent rule.  ;-))


--
[e-mail]      Marquette Electronics, Inc
n9sqb                          Milwaukee, WI
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:46 1995
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From: Greg Pool <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NVIS antenna info. needed
Date: 6 Jul 1995 14:46:34 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jim Lowman) wrote:
>
> Roy W Lewallen ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
> : There was an excellent introduction to the topic in QST a few months ago.
> : I don't recall the exact issue. (February?) Author was Ed Farmer.
>
> I'm told it was the January, 1995 issue; can't find the darned thing!
>

Hi, Jim.  Try pages 39-42 in the January 1995 QST.  Great review of
NVIS and its worth in Amateur Radio emergency communications.

Greg WH6DT
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark A. Garrett)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Indiana Balloon Launch July 15
Date: 6 Jul 1995 15:10:41 GMT
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On July 15 at 7 am EST weather permitting, there will be a helium
balloon launch from Veedersburg, Indiana (25 miles east of Danville, Il)
to test the deployment of 3 helium balloons to lift a package aloft with
minimal spinning on the package.  The package will contain a Amateur
Television transmitter on 439.250 with horizontal polarity on the antenna
showing two camera views plus a video Id'er with the call of KT9V.
A GPS receiver and packet telemetry software will give position of the
balloon at 1200 baud and other balloon status on 446.000 with the call of
WB9IHS.
Also on board will be a cross band repeater.  Input will be on 144.300 FM
with outputs on 444.850 and 52.525 with the call on the repeater of W9DUU.
A HF net on 3.871 KHZ will be hosted by Emmett Dodson, K9YKX to provide
status of preparation, launch and balloon operation during the flight.
This balloon is expected to reach an altitude of 100,000 feet or more and
should have a 440+mile range from the balloon at peak altitude.
All Amateur oerators are encouraged to participate in this flight.
                                                                       7/6
--
Mark Garrett   [e-mail]
               KA9SZX @ N9LNQ.#ECIL.IL.USA.NOAM


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Heryford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham Radio Booth at Orange County Fair
Date: 6 Jul 1995 15:14:28 -0700
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Amateur Operators in the Orange County and surroundings are invited to
help man the Ham Radio Booth at the ORANGE COUNTY FAIR!
     The event includes free admission into the fair and preferred
"Exhibitor Parking".  Please sign up in time for postal mail to get your
entry tickets and parking passes.
     The fair runs July 7th throught the 23rd.  If there is not enough
time to mail tickets, then they may be picked up in person from me here in
Costa Mesa, CAlifornia.
     73's,
          Rich WD6ESZ
[phone]
[e-mail]







From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry M. Weissman, X3722)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ZA/OK5DX
Date: 6 Jul 1995 16:09:38 GMT
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Did anybody contact ZA/OK5DX during the CQ WPX CW contest,
or at any other time? I can't find any info on this call.
Is his name Slim, or is he/she legit? Thanks.


Where have all the sunspots gone?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Larry Weissman AD3Y     |  All opinions expressed are my own and
Lockheed Martin Corp.   |  in no way related to my company. All my
Moorestown, NJ   USA    |  designs are my companies and in no way
[e-mail]  |  considered my own.



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Subject: DSP discussed on National Show!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (Internet Direct Admin)
Organization: Ham Radio & More
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 16:21:20 GMT
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This Sunday, 7/9/95, the Ham Radio & More Show will feature Ned
Stearns, AA7A, discussing Digital Signal Processing. Ned has been
involved with DSP for over 25 years. Find out how DSP is changing the
way we listen to radio and more.
Ham Radio & More is on the Talk America Network on more than 40
stations, tvro, and WWCR shortwave. It airs live each Sunday at 6:00pm
ET. Toll free call-in at 1-800-298-talk.
More info on the home page, courtesy of BARC, at:
http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc/ham-more.html
73,
Len, KB7LPW


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Dolkas)
Subject: Re: How to _remove_ a ground rod?  It's out!
Sender: [e-mail] (News Administrator)
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James Messer ([e-mail]) wrote:
:
: Now, what are your suggestions for putting it back _into_ the earth?
:

Put it *back*?  After all you went through?  After all IT went through?
You probably have the world's only surviving member of an Ungrounded Ground Rod
species.  It's a museum piece.  Donate it to the Smithsonian, take the tax
write-off and go buy a new one to install in your new location.

Greg  KO6TH

:-)



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Loker)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Technician vs. Technician NoCode??
Date: 6 Jul 1995 16:35:04 GMT
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[If this is the wrong group to post this, please let me know.]

I just downloaded the ASCII text version of the Technician test, but it
appears to be the older version. Is there an updated version? Or is this
version that I have still applicable, just no code?

Thanks,
Drew
[e-mail]

PS. Is your opnion, is it easier to learn to read 5 WPM in morse and take
the Novice test? Or try to learn all those electronics? I am trying to get
my wife licensed also, and I am not sure she knows even what a wave-lenght
or a resistor is.

As always, any comments are much appreciated!!


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard McAllister)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dumb and dumber
Date: 06 Jul 1995 16:37:09 GMT
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In-reply-to: Burt Fisher's message of 4 Jul 1995 15:16:25 GMT

Has the vanity call sign program started?  I'm kind of surprised to
see a obvious newcomer with a 1x3 callsign.  Anyway, in the
tradition of ham radio, let's help the newcomer out:

In article <3tbm09$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:


>I get QSL cards that say "A.R.S. K1OIK", why would anyone write that?
>The post office has  N O   idea what A.R.S. means.

The post office just pays attention to the address; after all, you did
get the card!

>
>I hear hams say "clear and listening." Why would anybody say that?
>Clear means you are leaving the air, listening means you are staying.
>Which is it?

Clear here means they are stopping *transmitting*.  They're letting
others that might want to use the frequency know that they're done.
"Listening" is in case there's somebody else who wants to talk to them.

>
>On repeaters I hear a station call another but when there is no reply,
>the calling station comes back and says "nothing heard." Does the caller
>think we are all deaf and feels a requirement to state the obvious?

Sometimes even experienced operators will manage to do a "bonehead"
mistake like forgetting to set the CTCSS tone, or getting the offset
wrong.  This will probably happen to you someday, Burt; don't feel
bad.  When it does happen, having the other station say "nothing heard"
will let you know that you didn't hit the repeater.

Keep at it Burt! There's a lot to learn in this hobby, in a few years
you'll be as knowledgable as many who have been in the hobby for
decades.

73, Rich KO6CL
--
Rich McAllister ([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard McAllister)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Killfiling Burt Fisher (was Re: Burt Fisher, Trouble)
Date: 06 Jul 1995 16:54:59 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:

>Don't you see Ken? You guys are giving Burt EXACTLY what he wants!
>Total domination of the echo.
>He is desperate for attention and you guys are giving him what he wants,
>Please. If you just ignore him, he will stop it!

Absolutely correct; it's the same as a repeater jammer.  I backslid earlier
today and replied to one of his screeds, I apologize.  I've now placed him
in my killfile, and to help me stay on the wagon, I ask that everybody who
just *has* to reply please edit the "Subject" line to include the phrase
"Burt Fisher"; that way I (and others) can conveniently kill the followups
too.  Thanks!

Rich



--
Rich McAllister ([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dirty DXers
Date: 6 Jul 1995 17:44:21 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Burt Fisher) says:

>
>>(2) Senegal is not a rare DX country. Perhaps it was in the early 80's
>>but I reacll it wasn't rare then, either. 6W6JX is on frequently; I have had
>>many nice ragchews with him and others in that country. The guy who did
>>that must not get on the air much!!   :-)
>>
>>                                      73, Zack W9SZ
>
>Well Zack, for those of us who are not loaded with KW amps and stacked
>arrays 6W6 is rare. I have had DX contacts interupted by DXers who had no
>class. They are the same type of people that count sexual conquests as a
>notch on a belt. Do not ask either type about love.
>
>

I do not run anything more than 150 watts and nothing more exotic than
dipoles here. I've worked 260 countries. I'm not bragging, just
commenting that you DON'T need those KW's and beams to do it!

Also had a great 1-hour ragchew with a station in the Netherlands
recently. Mostly what we talked about was music. Things like that make
the hobby worthwhile!

                                        Zack W9SZ


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:54 1995
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Subject: Fox-Tango Company Still in Business??
Date: 6 Jul 1995 17:54:26 GMT
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I've been searching for some ICOM XTAL filters for an R70 to no avail (ICOM
just wants way too much for theirs!)

Someone told me that Fox-Tango, one of the few companies building
after-market XTAL filters for various rigs, had been bought out. I obtained
the name of the following company who was supposed to own Fox-Tango:

International Radio & Computer Inc.
3804 South U.S. 1, Fort Pierce, FL.34982,
phone: [phone]

Their phone has been disconnected. Help! Any other sources of filters like
FL-44's and FL-32's??

geoff NQ7A  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: grounding
Date: 6 Jul 1995 18:20:34 GMT
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: The whole subdivision is on underground utilities, if that helps, and I don't
: have (or plan on) putting up a tower, and we aren't in an area known for
: lightning problems.  My previous thoughts on what to do were to take a normal

: Greg  KO6TH

   IMHO, amateurs that live where there is "underground" utilities,
have a greater risk of strikes, since their antennas are the only
metallic devices up in the air.

   Any comments??????????

John, N0KIC



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:56 1995
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Subject: Re: Anyone tried thick Ethernet cable for h.f. antenna feed use?
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I really need more elaboration concerning the types of information
regarding the amateur music
[e-mail] (Robert Casey) wrote:
>In article <3t9ag8$[e-mail]> Gerald Schmitt <[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>>It is 75 ohm and not intended to be outside so UV will
>>be a problem. But if it cheap enough (or free) it is something
>>you might be able to use. One use that I make of 75 ohm is in
>>matching sections.
>>
>Ethernet thick coax is 50 ohms, like RG8U.  You may be thinking of
>CATV hardline, that is 75 ohms.


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From: [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Subject: Re: Anyone tried thick Ethernet cable for h.f. antenna feed use?
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 02:34:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <3t9ag8$[e-mail]>

In article <3t9ag8$[e-mail]> Gerald Schmitt <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>It is 75 ohm and not intended to be outside so UV will
>be a problem. But if it cheap enough (or free) it is something
>you might be able to use. One use that I make of 75 ohm is in
>matching sections.
>
Ethernet thick coax is 50 ohms, like RG8U.  You may be thinking of
CATV hardline, that is 75 ohms.

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Milt Forsberg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dumb and dumber
Date: 6 Jul 1995 20:36:57 GMT
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I hear this frequently on repeaters with no tone required.  I feel like going
back to them and thanking them since I thought my receiver was out since I
didn't hear anything either!  I really look at all the extra comments as more
clutter we don't need on the repeater.  You call a station, it doesn't answer,
go on to whatever you want to do next.  It is somewhat obvious that you did
not get an answer - no need to announce it to the world.  You don't need to
come back and say "clear" either.  What are you clear from?  You didn't make
a contact.  Anyone has the right to access the repeater - you don't hold
exclusive rights to it forever if you don't say "clear".

                                        K9QZI, Milt


[e-mail] (Richard McAllister) writes:

>>On repeaters I hear a station call another but when there is no reply,
>>the calling station comes back and says "nothing heard." Does the caller
>>think we are all deaf and feels a requirement to state the obvious?

>Sometimes even experienced operators will manage to do a "bonehead"
>mistake like forgetting to set the CTCSS tone, or getting the offset
>wrong.  This will probably happen to you someday, Burt; don't feel
>bad.  When it does happen, having the other station say "nothing heard"
>will let you know that you didn't hit the repeater.



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Eric Hilding)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Hams Needed for Emergeny Communications at Equestrian Event
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 21:14:32 -0700 (PDT)
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If you know of any ham radio operators available to assist in
providing emergency communications on July 22, 1995 in Santa Cruz (CA)
for the Santa Cruz County Horsemen's Association annual Fireworks
Fifty Endurance Ride, please have them contact me.

This will be a nice day in the Redwoods of Santa Cruz (CA), passing
traffic and providing emergency communication for this non-profit
organization. Meals will be provided.

Thank you very much!
Erik  KD6EUF
Internet:  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:15:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Wittich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dumb and dumber
Date: 6 Jul 1995 21:33:10 GMT
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In article <3thhh9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Milt Forsberg) writes:
|>
|> I hear this frequently on repeaters with no tone required.  I feel like going
|> back to them and thanking them since I thought my receiver was out since I
|> didn't hear anything either!  I really look at all the extra comments as more
|> clutter we don't need on the repeater.  You call a station, it doesn't answer,
|> go on to whatever you want to do next.  It is somewhat obvious that you did
|> not get an answer - no need to announce it to the world.  You don't need to
|> come back and say "clear" either.  What are you clear from?  You didn't make
|> a contact.  Anyone has the right to access the repeater - you don't hold
|> exclusive rights to it forever if you don't say "clear".
|>
|>                                      K9QZI, Milt

What you say is right Milt, but one reason people do it is as
a measure of their courtesy.  They believe it is a courteous
way to let anyone else waiting to make a call that they have given
up hope for an answer.   Yes, it is unnecessary, but if they didn't
do that, how long before someone else should make a call?  4 seconds?
10 seconds?  a minute?   I think 8 or 10 seconds is good, but
someone else may think thats not long enough.   I have heard
cases where someone makes a call too soon after someone elses
unanswered call, and it ends up in a spat.

If the control ops think that clearing is more of an annoyance
than a courtesy, they can educate the offender on the land line.

I used to announce that I was clear after making an unanswered call,
but in a local club meeting a few months ago, the topic was 2 meter
operating.  Each person in the meeting was asked to name the
operating habit that aggrivated them the most.  WOW!  I don't
think we'll do THAT again!

73, Jeff.
--
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:00 1995
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#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    [e-mail]       [e-mail]   |
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What others say:

from unix.ccsnet.com by ccsnet.com with smtp
Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 15:21:00 EDT
From: Joe Esposito <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Duh!
To: Multiple recipients of list HAM-L <[e-mail]>

Well Burt, you finally said something I can agree with!

How many times have you heards folks say that they wanted the other
guy's name, QTH, etc. for the log? My log couldn't care less about
that information. Whenever I ask, it's because I want to know.

73,

Joe, K2YJL/M

And my response:

Hams cannot stand to be personal. Thus they do not want to know THE
name, the log wants to know THE name. Thus it is impossible for a ham to
say "I would like to know YOUR name." A ham says, "What is THE name for
the log?"

Burt, K1OIK.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:02 1995
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| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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 <>From: "John C. Willis Jr." <[e-mail]>
 <>Subject:      Re: HAMS ARE NOTHING BUT HAMS
 <>To: Multiple recipients of list HAM-L <[e-mail]>

>It is a real shame that you do not realize the potential and the good that a
>HAM can do for the community. I am here to tell you that there are many HAM
>out there who are very well intended and very helpful to the community. You
>attitude seems a little backwards. Many HAMS are there when the local
>communications have fallen due to hurricanes or other natural desaster. I
>think I talk for all us HAMS when I say that I also am glad you decided not
>to be a HAM. In time of need us HAMS have alot to offer the community. Tel
>me what you have to offer in time of real need.  Can you get a message from
>mother to her children stuck in a hurricane on the gulf coast. (I CAN) Can
>you be of any good at all when the local fire department has lost thier Fire
>repeater due to high winds. (I CAN) Can you direct lost motorist into town
>from the comfort of your living room. (I CAN) I think that people that are
>not HAMS are just as great as HAMS. I have a real problem with people who d
>not understand HAMS for what they are and what they can do for the community
> Please keep the attitude that you do not want to be a HAM. The HAM
>community will never need people with your attitude. If you have any desire
>to become a HAM and can do it with an attitude that you have not shown here
>(and many other HAMS) would be glad to help. If you keep the attitude that
>you just showed me the HAMS have no use for you. Please get a realistic
>attitude about HAMS. We are here to help the community and you. We are here
>in times of need. We are here when anyone calls.  We love the community tha
>we live in and, unlike you, we are glad we are HAMS.


I hate to blow you whole theory but I am a ham.
You cannot do crap. Tell me HOW you would actually send a message from
within a hurricane? You have a generator? Wind proof antennas? If the
fire dept lost their repeater I bet the ham repeater is  L O N G  gone.
The motorist can be directed and I commend you for doing it because MOST
hams sit on their butts when someone asks for help on a repeater (and
all readers here have experianced that). Hams indeed have an attitude,
the attitude of sitting on their butts talking about  N O T H I N G .
99% offer no help, do nothing and know diddlely about electronics. And
most of all most hams despise young people. I will accept you may be an
exception on some of these traits, but you are an exception.




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[e-mail] (Robert Redoutey - KF5KF) wrote:

>Amateurs affiliated with the American Association for Nude Recreation, the

What an oxymoron. Hams and nude.
No ham dare take off its clothes, for then everyone will know who the best
man is.



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|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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SB DX @ ARL $ARLD036
ARLD036 P5 DXCC ACTION

ZCZC AE12
QST de W1AW
DX Bulletin 36  ARLD036
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  July 6, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB DX ARL ARLD036
ARLD036 P5 DXCC action

NORTH KOREA, P5, ADDED TO DXCC COUNTRIES LIST

The ARRL DXCC Desk announced today that documentation for P5/OH2AM
has been approved.  In accordance with a news release dated July 16,
1991, North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) will now
be added to the DXCC Countries List.

The DXCC Desk will accept QSL cards for this new country starting
October 1, 1995.  QSL cards received at the DXCC Desk before October
1, 1995 will be returned without action.
NNNN
/EX



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[e-mail] (Todd Jonz) wrote:

>In addition to suing the originator of the remarks, can the equipment
>manufacturer also sue me?  By my lay interpretation of Judge Ain's decision,
>the answer would be yes.  Bummer.
>
>KB6JXT, Todd

Hams are so afraid of everything.
If I said  B O O  would you pee in your pants?


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| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit in the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
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[e-mail] (Ken Edwards) wrote:

>Burt, you are the exception to the Amateur Radio service.  MOST hams are not
>a***@|**  !!


Sorry there was   Q R M .
Most hams are not what?
Butt depressions?
I agree most are not but they way they act make them appear to be.

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[e-mail] (Ken Edwards) wrote:

>Burt, you are nothing more than a name-calling, class-clown playground bully.

Let me get this straight. You say I am "name calling". what do you call the
above that you did?



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[e-mail] (CSL) wrote:

>Hi.  Thinking about a DF hunt the Chester and District ARS are
>organising on 2m it occured to me that it would be fun to try and

Sigh - posting to my own email -- insanity looms...

I suppose this means that noone can help?

:(
Carl
gw0tqm



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[e-mail] (Larry Shilkoff) wrote:

>Is that kinda like:
>Those that can, do.  Those that can't, teach?


But I am a vocational teacher,
I have done.


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While listening to my scanner I frequently hear an amateur repeater on
166.85 Mhz.  I checked in the 1995 handbook and this doesn't
seem to be in any of the ham bands.  Could anyone shed any light on this?

TNXn


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skyhorse ([e-mail]) recently wrote
      in <3ti5lb$[e-mail]>:

: While listening to my scanner I frequently hear an amateur repeater on
: 166.85 Mhz.  I checked in the 1995 handbook and this doesn't
: seem to be in any of the ham bands.  Could anyone shed any light on this?

Next time you hear it check 145.25 or 145.45 for the same activity. You
are hearing a station 21.6 or 21.4 MHz lower due to your 10.8 or 10.7 IF.

166.85 - 21.6 = 145.25      166.85 - 21.4 = 145.45

You will find tuning 21.x or double your IF higher. any local frequency
users will come through. This feature may allow reception of blocked
frequencies. Just tune 21.x MHz higher. This feature only works with a
dual conversion receiver common to scanners. Newer scanners may use
triple conversion or down converters to eliminate these IF images.

Bob
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 06/2330Z JULY 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 06 JULY AND FORECAST FOR 07 JULY - 09 JULY
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1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  80/20

GOES satellite data for 05 Jul
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV: NA
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV: NA
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: NA
       X-ray background: NA
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             07 Jul             08 Jul             09 Jul
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 07 Jul:  80/20

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 05 Jul
    Learmonth        3  2111 1111
    Fredericksburg   5                           2
    Planetary        5                           4

Observed Kp for 05 Jul: 2111 1221
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
07 Jul     5    Quiet
08 Jul     5    Quiet
09 Jul     5    Quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
06 Jul      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
07 Jul      normal         normal         normal
08 Jul      normal         normal         normal
09 Jul      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
06 Jul    27    near predicted monthly values, with night-time
Spread F.

Predicted Monthly T index for July: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
07 Jul    20    Near predicted monthly values
08 Jul    20    Near predicted monthly values
09 Jul    20    Near predicted monthly values

COMMENT: Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with occasional
night-time Sporadic E layer.

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SB DX @ ARL $ARLD037
ARLD037 DX news

ZCZC AE13
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DX Bulletin 37  ARLD037
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  July 6, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB DX ARL ARLD037
ARLD037 DX news

This week's bulletin was made possible with information provided by
Lanny, W5BOS, Marios, 5B4WN, Rick, N6NR, Tedd, KB8NW, the OPDX
Bulletin, the Yankee Clipper Contest Club PacketCluster network and
Contest Corral from QST.  Thanks to all.

WEST KIRIBATI, T30.  Dave, T30DW, has been worked on 14208 kHz
around 1200z.  He should be active for the next two years.  QSL via
PO Box 29, Bairiki, Tarawa, Republic of Kiribati.

SOUTH SHETLANDS, VP8.  Listen for Andy, VP8CQS, on 40 meter CW and
SSB.  Europeans report hearing him with a good signal on 7004 kHz CW
around 2100z and on 7050 kHz SSB around 2145z.  QSL via DL1EHH.

BURKINA FASO, XT.  Ed, XT2CH, has been on 14160 kHz around 1945z.
QSL via XT2CH - Ed, c/o American Embassy Burkina Faso, Department of
State, Washington, DC 20521-2440.

ETHIOPIA, ET.  ET3AA, has been on 14224 kHz starting at 0200z.  QSL
via PO Box 60258, Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.  ET3YU has been on the low
end of 20 meters running stations on CW starting around 2230z.  QSL
via YU1FW.

KENYA and UGANDA, 5Z and 5X.  Paul, 5Z4FO, is active and plans to
remain so from Uganda as 5X1WM.  He should be leaving Kenya some
time this month.  QSL via KB4EKY.

CHINA.  Rick, N6NR, will be operating during July from Beijing
signing BY1QH and N6NR/BY1, and possibly BY1PK.  Rick will focus on
HF CW, primarily 40, 30, 20 and 17 meters, and on OSCAR 13 on
145.890 MHz.

ANGOLA, D2. Peter, ON6TT, will use either D2TT or D3T from July 7 to
August 28.  He plans to be on all bands, with special interest in
the WARC and low bands, and RTTY.  Peter will be in the IARU contest
this weekend.  He also plans to have beacons on 160 and 10 meters.
During his daytime work hours, check 28203 kHz.  During his sleep
hours, check 1821.5 kHz.  Beacon signal reports can be sent to
ifrclad at angonet.gn.apc.org, his Internet address.  Note his name
clearly in the message body.  Please do not use his Internet
connection for skeds or uses other than beacon reports.  QSL via
ON5NT.

TRINDADE, PY0.  Sergio, PU1LOK, is active as PU0TRI only on 80 and
10 meter SSB.  He will be on the island until October and will then
start QSL chores.

DODECANESE, SV5.  Ralf, DL9GTI, will be on from Rhodes Island,
EU-001, until July 19 as SV5/DL9GTI/p.  He will operate a QRP
station running 5 watts to verticals and long wires on 40 to 10
meters.  Listen for him in the IARU and the AGCW QRP Summer
Contests.  QSL via his home call.

IOTA TIPS.  POPOF ISLAND, KL0.  Lanny, W5BOS, will activate Popof
Island, NA-087, from 2200z July 12 to 2300z July 15.  He will
operate CW and SSB.  Popof is part of the Shumagin Island group.
QSL via W5BOS.

GREEN ISLAND, BV9G. Operators from CTARL, including BV8YA, BV8YB,
BV8AB and BV8BC, will sign BV0ARL/BV9G July 20 to 25.  QSL via BV8BC
and/or CTARL Bureau, PO Box 73, Taipei 100, Taiwan, R.O.C.

CULATRA ISLAND, CT1.  The Northern Portugal DX Group, NPDXG, and
Radio Clube de Loule, RCL, will operate a multi/single effort in the
1995 IOTA Contest, July 29 and 30, from EU-145 in the Algarve
Province Group.  They plan to have a station on the air a few days
before the contest on all bands and modes, including satellites.
They have requested the call CQ2C.  Europeans QSL via CT1EEB.  North
Americans QSL via WA1ECA.

BANKS AND HERSCHEL ISLANDS.  Frederick, VE3VRO, will be active July
10 to 13 from Banks, NA-129, and July 14 to 17 between 0000 and
0300Z from Herschel, NA-193.  Listen for VE3VRO/KL0.  Banks is in
the Arctic Archipelago Islands Group and Herschel is in the Yukon
Territory Group.

GEORGIOS ISLAND.  From July 10 to 13, operators 5B4WN, KH, AFM and
8AH will operate 80 through 10 meter CW and SSB from AS-120, signing
C4AG/P.  QSL via 5B4AFM or 5B4KH CBA.

WHAT'S THE FREQUENCY, KENNETH?  From time to time we mention to
check the usual IOTA frequencies.  General gathering spots for
Island Hunters are 3530, 7030, 10114, 14040, 18098, 21040, 24920 and
28040 kHz for CW.  On SSB try 3765, 7155, 14260, 18128, 21260, 24950
and 28560 kHz.  The IOTA Net is at 1300z Saturdays on 14260 kHz and
at the same time Sundays on 21260 kHz.

THIS WEEKEND ON THE RADIO.  The IARU HF World Championship starts at
1200z July 8 and runs for 24 hours.  Exchange signal report and ITU
Zone.  IARU member society HQ stations will send signal report and
official IARU member society abbreviation.  For complete rules, see
page 110 in April QST.

The CQ World Wide VHF Contest and QRP ARCI Summer Homebrew Sprint
are both this weekend as well.  For more information check page 113
in June QST.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Where did packet newsgroup go?
Date: 7 Jul 1995 00:39:04 GMT
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Arthur E. Sowers ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I noticed in my Hahn & Stout that there is supposed to be a packet
: newsgroup, but this internet provider says it doesn't exist. Can anyone
: tell me if it does exist somewhere?

Try  rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc

It now covers all of the digital modes and not just packet.


Ron N8FOW



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Fastest way to learn CW ?
Date: 7 Jul 1995 02:52:20 GMT
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In article <3tca7p$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Thomas
Randall) writes: > BUDDY10 ([e-mail]) wrote:

> : What is ,in your opinion,the fastest and easiest way to learn CW ?
>
> :  [e-mail]  (Scott Powell),  Nickel dime shoeshine,don't let your
> : meat loaf !
>
>
>     I'd like opinions on this also, as I'm starting to learn the code
> myself. I have about 13 characters down right now. I'm using Super morse
> and I bought an MFJ deluxe code practice oscillator to practice sending
> what I've learned.

Here's the secret to getting your 5WPM down in 5 Days flat.


Plan a camping trip to somewhere like, oh, say Maine. Also check weather
forecasts that say "Sunny weather all week."

I got my 5WPM code because I spent five out of ten days in a tent during
horrible rainstorms. Luckily I'd brought along some good reading, had
electrical hookups, and old Gordo's tapes and some paper and a few pencils.

As there wasn't much else to do I learned "The Code".

73,
Tony

--
== Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR
== [e-mail]
== Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a nation.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kenwood, Yeasu, Standard
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 95 03:37:18 GMT
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Looking for anyone who knows about any problems associated with the
following radios.

Kenwood TH-79A Deluxe HP

Yeasu FT-51R HP

Yeasu FT-530

Standard C5508A

If anyone owns one of the above a quick note on your experience would be
great.  Also if your experienced in Hand Held Tx'ers I would appreciate a
recommendation for a dual band.

E-Mail to [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ECPA of 1986
Date: Fri,  7 Jul 1995 05:06:01 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Distribution: world
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I am posting in this here only after repeated emailing to the White House as
well as my congressman's local office with no luck whatsoever. I explained
that I do not have at this time the capabilities to browse web sites. I only
have email & limited Usenet Forum capability. Even now, I don't have the
chance to read this group very often.
I am trying to get ahold of a copy of the ECPA of 1986 as well as the
amendments to it that President Clinton signed into law not too long ago
that made it a federal offense to listen to cellular as well as cordless
telephone calls with scanner radios. From the White House they tell me to
browse certain Web Sites. This is after I've repeatedly told them that I
do not have the capability for Web browsing. From my congressman, I get
water reports, so you see where I'm left. I'll appreciate any assistance
in obtaining this info. Please email any replies.
73's,
Tom Miller
[e-mail]

... What do you call a fly buzzing inside a blonde's head? A Space Invader
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joel B Levin)
Subject: Re: Dumb and dumber
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In <3thhh9$[e-mail]>,
   Milt Forsberg <[e-mail] (Milt Forsberg)> wrote:
[re "Nothing heard"]
|I hear this frequently on repeaters with no tone required.  I feel like going
|back to them and thanking them since I thought my receiver was out since I
|didn't hear anything either!  I really look at all the extra comments as more
|clutter we don't need on the repeater.  You call a station, it doesn't answer,
|go on to whatever you want to do next.  It is somewhat obvious that you did
|not get an answer - no need to announce it to the world.

If I have asked for a break in someone else's conversation to make a
call, "nothing heard" can be used as a way to say to the nice people
that you're giving up and they can get back to their conversation.
Actually, my form would be, "Nothing heard, thanks for the break,
KD1ON clear."  Actually, I guess I'd do that without the "nothing
heard" as well. :-)

        /J
=

Nets: [e-mail]  | Those who cavalierly reject the Theory of
  or [e-mail]| Evolution, as not adequately supported by facts,
pots: [phone]  | seem quite to forget that their own theory is
ARS:  KD1ON          | supported by no facts at all.       --H. Spencer






From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Opinion on Vanity Call?
Summary: Should I?
Keywords: Call
Message-ID: <3tigtc$[e-mail]>
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I'm on the fence about going for the call of my long SK
uncle, W2JFY. He introduced me to Ham Radio but passed
away before I got licensed. Years later I got licensed,
and recently moved to 6-land. When I moved I retired my
1-call because I think having an out-of-area call causes
uneeded confusion, especially when DXing.

So my delema : I'd love to have my uncle call because,
well you know, he taught me so much and introduced me
to this life long obsession with radio, BUT, signing
W2JFY/6 is bad enough on phone, and really rotten on
cw, especially with my lame fist.

What to do, what to do???

de KN6BX (also not a great cw call)


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From: "Gary R. Gouger" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How to get personalized call
Date: 7 Jul 1995 05:43:17 GMT
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I have heard that I can now get personalized call signs. How do I go
about doing this? Please send responses to [e-mail].

--
-Gary G.




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:20 1995
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From: "Gary R. Gouger" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: How to get personalized call
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I have heard that I can now get personalized call signs. How do I go
about doing this? Please send responses to [e-mail].

--
-Gary G.




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:22 1995
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Subject: Re: Radio Kit Sources 1/7
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 06:10:00 -0500
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]

AT>Michael Markmann ([e-mail]) wrote:
AT>: I know this list was posted just last week, but of course after it
AT>: dissappears is when I realised that I should have grabbed it. Would the
AT>: person who posted the 7 parts originally kindly mail them to me? It would
AT>: much appreciated.

AT>God, I hate to say it.  I HATE to say it, but  "M E   T O O,  P L E A S E !"
AT>Thanks,
AT>--Atkins

                          +-={ MEGALIST }=-+    by AF4K
Names and addresses of companies that supply kits, parts and equipment
for amateur radio:             (Updated 21 June, 1995)


"624 Kits"                    [phone] day / 583-1304 eve.
171 Springlake Drive
Spartanburg, SC 29302         (QRP kits & accessories)


8 Radio Products              [phone]
6198 Marlo Drive
Painesville, OH 44077         Roof top towers, masts, accessories


A & A Engineering             [phone]
2521 W. La Palma #K           Stas Andrzejewski, W6UCM  (Keyer,
Anaheim, CA 92801             Battery charger, SELCALL, freq synth kits etc.)


A.B.C Electronics            800-562-6503  206-364-8300
1750 15th N.E.     Only New Icom Ham Radio on special order. No stock
Seattle Wa 98155   Towers, Antenna's, Coax and Coax fittings.In stock


Ace Systems                   [phone]
Rd. 1 Box 83
Wilcox, PA 15870              Opto Keyer


Active Electronics            [phone]  FAX: [phone]
11 Cummings Park              (INT.) [phone]
Woburn, MA 01801              New electronic parts

ADI Co.                      [phone]
180 Michael Drive
Syosset, NY 11791            Power supplies, batteries etc.


Charles P. Adkins N8QXP 1821 La Blanc. Lincoln Park,MI 48146
[phone]  Tubes


Advanced Computer Products Inc. (800) FONE-ACP  FAX: [phone]
1310 E. Edinger             [phone] Voice Sales
Santa Ana, CA 92705         Chips, semiconductors


Alcomp Electronics            [phone] (old number)
56, 9th Street          FAX = [phone]
Lynchburg, VA 24504           Electronic surplus parts


Alexander Aeroplane Co.       [phone]
P.O. Box 909            FAX = [phone]    Aluminum tubing etc.
Griffin, GA 30224             Free catalog, $10 min. order


Alfa Electronics              (800) 526-ALFA  FAX: [phone]
P.O. Box 8089                 [phone]
Princeton, NJ 08543           Multimeters etc. Free catalog


All Electronic Components     Need phone number
118-122 Lonsdale Street
Melbourne, VIC 3000
Australia                     SWL, Amateur, Test Equipment


All Electronics               [phone] (orders)  FAX: [phone]
P.O. Box 567                  Voice: [phone] INFO
Van Nuys, CA 91408            Misc. surplus parts, batteries etc. catalog


Allied Electronics: 1-800-433-5700 Located in 37 states, 79 branches.
7410 Pebble Drive          Call for nearest branch. Call for Catalog.
Fort Worth, Tx. 76118:     Electronic components and tubes.


Alltronics: Main. [phone]: FAX [phone]: BBS(408)943-0622
2300 Zanker Road    Excellent Tube selection at reasonable prices
San Jose, CA 95131  Main Store. Components, grab bags etc. Min $15


Alltronics: Branch Store. [phone]
6283 S. Industrial Ave.    Components, grab bags etc.
Las Vegas Nv.89118


Alltronics: Branch Store. [phone]
2888 S. Main St.    Components, grab bags etc.
Salt Lake City, Ut. 84115


Almac Electronics      800-426-1410
Need address pse
Seattle, WA            Solid-state componets


Altronics                     Need phone number
P.O.  Box 8350
Perth Mail Exchange
WA 6000
Australia                     Test Equipment, Power Supplies


American Science and Surplus  (formerly JerryCo)
P.O. Box 48838                [phone]  FAX: [phone]
Niles IL 60714-0838             ### New address.
Surplus.  *The* surplus place.  Lots and lots of surplus. Batteries
You name it, they have it.  Catalogs are really good.
$12.50 minimum order (which includes the $4 shipping charge).


Ameritron                     Phone
Address
                              HF amplifier parts, HV capacitors etc.


Amidon Associates             [phone]
12033 Otsego Street           [phone]
North Hollywood, CA 91607     (toroid cores, ferrite beads etc.)


Amidon, Inc.                  714-850-4660
3122 Alpine Ave          FAX: [phone]
Santa Ana CA 92704            Which address is current?

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:25 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Kit Sources 2/7
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 06:10:00 -0500
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>>> Continued from previous message
Antennas West                 [phone]
Box 50062S
Provo, UT 84605               Wide variety of antenna kits, loops etc.


Antique Audio                 [phone]
5555 N. Lamar, Bldg. H-105
Austin, TX 78751              Tubes, parts, books, kits


Antique Electronic Supply Co. [phone]
6221 S. Maple Avenue          FAX: [phone]
Tempe, AZ 85283               (Tubes, variable capacitors, components)


Antique Radio Classified      [phone]   Write for free sample.
P.O. Box 802 (or is it Box 2?) Magazine. You'll find almost ANYTHING here
Carlisle, MA 01741             for older radios, obscure parts, tubes etc.


Appleseed Electronics Inc.    [phone]
P.O. Box 8228
Fort Wayne, IN 46898          Parts


ARE Communications Ltd.       44-081-997-4476
6 Royal Parade
Hanger Lane, Ealing           HF kit for ICOM R-7100 to 200 kHz !
London W5A 1ET                & SSB kits for Icom R-100 and R1.


Arlen Supply Company         [phone] / -9388 = FAX
7409 W. Chester Pike
Upper Darby, PA 19082         Tubes. 1 million stocked. Minimum $150.00!


Arlington Electronic Wholesaler
Lee Highway
Arlington, VA                 Electronic parts


Arrow Electronics Inc.        (800) 93-ARROW
1860 Smithtown Avenue         Catalogs c/o 25 Hub Drive
Ronkonkoma, NY 11779                       Melville, NY 11747
Minimum $25.00 Components distributor.


ARRL
225 Main Stret
Newington, CT 06111           (QRP Books, QST Magazine etc.)


A.R.S. Need address Arizona
[phone]  Tubes


David Ask                     No phone number given
RR 2
Houston, MN 55943             Tubes 4, 5 and 6 pin tubes. Send $1 for list


Astro Communications          [phone] "Frank"
10249 East Pike Drive         FM transceivers, mikes, power supplies,
Inverness, Fl 34450           parts, xtals, amps, VHF, UHF used commercial.


Auskits
Amblecote Crescent
Mulgrave, VIC 3170
Australia                     Amateur, QRP kits etc.


Avec Electronics              [phone]
711 Granby Street
Norfolk, VA Zip needed        Electronic parts & accessories


Barker & Williamson           [phone]
10 Canal Street
Bristol, PA 19007             Parts, antenna items etc.


Jeff Bauman WB5KZW            (313)-435-9922 (313)-661-0202
6647 Stonebridge East,
West Bloomfield, MI 48322     Jeff had 1500 tubes for sale as of
                              December,1993


Baycom                        (800) 8BAYPAC (800/822-9722)
400 Daily Ln
P.O. Box 5210
Grants, OR 97527           Baycom BayPac packet/modem model# BP-1 can be obtain


BCD Electro                   [phone]
P.O. Box 830119
Richardson, TX 75083          Catalog, parts,  etc.


Behind The Times              615-899-1058
PO Box 8683
Chattanooga, TN               Tubes


Bel-Tek                       phone number needed
P.O. Box 125
Beloit, Wisconsin 53511       Kits, keyer, memory keyer etc.


Bigelow Electronics           No number listed
P.O. Box 125
Bluffton, OH 45817            Parts, Catalog $2. Flyer 1 stamp


Bomar Crystals                [phone]
201 Blackford Avenue          [phone]
Middlesex, NJ 08846           Crystals, TCXOs etc.
                              Might be out of business (was OK in 1985)


Ron Borland, W4YBF            No phone number given
1165 Ashley Loop
Reidsville, NC 27320          Fuses, grab bag of 50 for $2.00


Brian E. Brachel, KA8HLI
P.O. Box 71684                Cordless Phone Patch kit $30.00
Madison Heights, MI 48071-0684         See QST March 1988


Brigar Electronics            [phone]  FAX: [phone]
7-9 Alice Street
Binghampton, NY 13904         Parts, gadgets $30 min.


Mel Brooks, K5DJB             No phone number given
932 Macklyn Lane
Bartlesville, OK 74006        Tubes, parts, schematics (incl. antique)


Byers Chassis Kits            [phone]
Charles Byers, K3IWK
5120 Harmony Grove Rd.
Dover, PA 17315               (Chassis & cabinet kits. s.a.s.e. please)

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:27 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Kit Sources 3/7
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 06:10:00 -0500
Organization: =ACE= ONLINE [phone]
Lines: 150

>>> Continued from previous message
C & A Electronic              (52) 42-867 or (52) 42-537
SV1AYI, Simeon Krizias
PO Box 25070
Athens, 10026 Greece          53 page catalog. Radio & audio kits etc.


C & H Sales Co.                 [phone], [phone],
2176 E Colorado Blvd          [phone]
Pasadena CA 91107             Fax [phone]
Mail address; P.O. Box 5356 Pasadena, CA 91117-9988
Surplus, mainly heavier stuff, power supplies, transformers,
motors, solenoids, etc. Free catalog available, fast service.


C & N Electronics             [phone] / [phone]
6104 Egg Lake Road            FAX # [phone]
Hugo, MN 55038                Buy & sell tubes


C & S Electronics             [phone]
P.O. Box 2142
Norwalk, CT 06852-2142        Specialty RF chips etc.


C & S sales inc              [phone]
1245 Rosewood ave
Deerfield Il 60015           Test gear, kits, $35 rcvr for 2m/6m etc.


Cain Electronics Co.          [phone]
408 Aberdeen Road
or 1530 Ingleside Road        [phone]
Hampton, VA Zip needed        Electronic parts, test equipment etc.


Calrad Corp.                  [phone]
819, N. Highland Avenue
Los Angeles, CA 90038         Audio parts, transformers etc.


John Cable Address needed     [phone]
Tubes from 1941 to 1960, new.


Canadian PW & SSC             514-283-6297 / 800-283-6297
Crown Assets division
Address needed                Canadian government surplus equip.
Montreal.                     Mailing lists for various categories


Capitol Radio                 [phone]
45 West Watkins Mill Rd       Catalog available
Gaithersburg, MD 20877        New electronic parts, tools, test equip.


C.B. City International       Phone number needed
P.O. Box 31500
Phoenix, Arizona 85046        Kits, mod-kits etc.


CeCo Communications           [phone]
2115 Avenue X
Brooklyn, NY 11235            (Vacuum tubes)


Central Electronics & Salvage Phone number needed
Address needed                (Ask [e-mail])
Utica, NY                     Old G.E. & IBM items etc.


ChipSwitch                    (707-539-0512).
Address needed                QRO, 12 metres etc.
USA                           Mod kits for HR2510, HR2600 rigs etc.


Circuit Board Specialists     June 1993 Mailed returned, no forwarding address
P.O. Box 969
Pueblo, CO 81002              (Various kits & projects, P.C. boards)


Circuit Specialists Inc.      [phone]
Box 3047
Scottsdale, AZ 85271          Electronic components incl. RF parts


Circuitwerkes Co.             [phone]
No address               FAX: [phone]
                              DTMF decoders etc.


City Electronics Supply       [phone].
Alex Stralinski, WA5UHT Proprietor
Address needed
Bellaire, TX (Near Houston)   Electronic parts etc. Mostly walk-in


Coilcraft                     [phone] / [phone]
1102 Silver Lake Road
Cary, Illinois 60013          Coils? Filters? Send for Catalog


Communication Concepts Inc.   [phone] or [phone]
508 Millstone Drive           [phone] = FAX
Xenia, OH 45385               (HF linear amp kits etc.)


CQ RADIO KITS                 [phone]
Box 1546
Bradford, ONTARIO
Canada  L3Z 2B8               QRP xcvrs, rcvrs, keys etc.


Crystal set society           [phone]
P.O. Box 3026
St. Louis, MO 63130           Handbook, projects, formulas


Crystek Crystals              [phone]
2351/2371 Crystal Drive
Ft. Myers, FL 33907           Quartz Crystals


Curtis Electro Devices, Inc.  [phone]
4345 Pacific St.,        FAX: [phone]
Rocklin, CA 95677             Keyer chips etc.


CW Crystals                   Inexpensive, but SLOW to respond.
570 N. Buffalo Street
Marshfield, MO 65706          (Crystals, $1.00 catalog)


CW Forever Key Co.            send stamp for list.
P.O. Box 659
Manchester, MO 63011          Buy & sell keys etc.


Cy-ance Kit,                  [phone]
14786 Slate Gap Road
West Fork, AR 72774           80 different kits


Peter Dahl Co.                [phone]    Collins 516F-2
5869 Waycross Avenue          [phone]    conversion kit
El Paso, TX 79924             Transformers, chokes, capacitors etc.
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:29 1995
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Subject: Re: Radio Kit Sources 4/7
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>>> Continued from previous message

Daily Electronics             [phone] / [phone]
10914 N.E. 39th Street        Fax # [phone]
Vancouver, WA 98682           Tubes, all types.


Dallas Solar Power            [phone]
P.O. Box 611927
San Jose, CA 95161            Photovoltaics, Solar cells, chargers


Dan's Small Parts And Kits   (Formerly KA7QJY Components)
1935 S. 3rd W. #1
Missoula MT 59801
1-406-543-2872  SASE for a current list of parts.  RF parts,
[phone] (Danny Stevig)


Data Mountain Industries      412-344-0956
47 Hazel Dr.
Mt Lebanon, PA 15228          Tubes


Davilyn Corp.                 [phone] / [phone]
13406 Saticoy St.             FAX: [phone]
North Hollywood, CA   91605-3475   Surplus electronic gear, incl. Collins.


Davis RF Co.                  [phone]
P.O. Box 230                  [phone] = FAX
Carlisle, MA 01741            JPS Audio Filter dealer  $1 catalog


DC Electronics                [phone] / [phone]
P.O. Box 3203                 FAX: [phone]
Scottsdale, AZ 85271          Components. Many ICs, caps etc.


Debco Electronics             [phone]
4025 Edwards Road             Catalog available
Cincinatti, OH 45209          Components, chips surplus crystals etc.


Defense Reutilization         BBS: [phone]
Marketing Organization (DRMO)
Address Needed
Memphis, TN?                  Government Surplus


DH Distributors               [phone]
P.O. Box 48623
Wichita, KS 67201             Tubes, radio, TV, industrial


Don Diers                     Phone number needed
4276 North 50th Street #MC5   Send $2.00 for catalog
Milwaukee,WI 53216-1313       Tubes, transformers, other parts etc.


Digi-key                      [phone]
701 Brooks Avenue S.          or 1-800-DIGI-KEY
P.O. Box 677
Thief River Falls, MN 56701   Parts


Digitrex Electronics          Need phone number
1005 Bloomer Road
Rochester, MI 48063           VHF, QRP, Amateur kits


John Dilks, K2TQN             Phone number needed
125 Warf Road, EHT,
Mays Landing, NJ 08330        NOS R.F. Chokes, by National etc.
[e-mail]


Ditek Industries              [phone]
*** NEED ADDRESS ***
                              (CW paddles, keyers etc.)


DOVER RESEARCH CORP (aka WB0VNE Bedroom biz)
Misc kits including...  DDS Based DigiVFO, Pasokon SSTV,
PRC47 LSB Kit, CheapSkate interface RTTY, CW, AMTOR, software etc.
Call for details. Voice 612-492-3913


DowKey  Corp                  [phone]
Address needed
Ventura, CA                   Relays for RF etc.


Down East Microwave           [phone]
RR 1 Box 2310                 [phone] = FAX
Troy, ME 04987-9721           Transverters, pre-amps, antennas etc.


R. L. Drake Co.               [phone]
Service Department
Address needed
Miamisburg, OH                Repair, parts etc. for ancient radios


DWM Enterprises               (No number listed)
1709 N. West Avenue #103
Jackson, MI 49202             (Mobile SW converter & simple QRP plans)


DX Radio Supply               [phone]
Box 360                       Call or write for catalog
Wagontown, PA 19376           Kit retailer. Ramsey, etc.


Easy Tech Inc.                [phone]
2917 Bayview Drive            [phone]    FAX = [phone]
Fremont, CA 94538             Parts, etc. free catalog


ECode Systems                 602-870-8063
Address needed
Phoenix, AZ                   Circuit boards for experimenters


Ed Mcbean                     [phone]
Ed's Electronics
44 Division Road
Great Falls, Montana 59404    Transformers, caps, radios, audio etc.


Edlie Electronics Inc.        [phone]
2700 Hempstead Tpk.
Levittown, NY 11756           Parts, kits, surplus


EF Electronics                Phone number needed
Box 326                       (Free catalog on request.)
Aurora,IL 60506               Tubes


Eidson Crystal  Company       (No number listed)
Address needed                Mr. Merill Eidson
Temple, TX                    Crystals for older rigs.

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 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ If the shoe fits, buy it. - Imelda Marcos


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:31 1995
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Subject: Re: Radio Kit Sources 5/7
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 06:10:00 -0500
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>>> Continued from previous message
ELECTRIC RADIO
AM International publishes a column in ELECTRIC RADIO magazine, which is
probably the best source for articles on vintage amateur radio and AM.
A subscription is $28/year from ER, P.O. Box 57, Hesperus, CO 81326.


Electrogadgets Inc.
P.O. Box 2065
Morris Township, NJ 07962     Digital voice recorder kits $20.00


Electron Tube Enterprises     [phone]
Box 311
Essex, VT 05451               Tubes


Electronics Exchange          [phone]
No address given
St. Louis, MO                 Electronics suurplus. Call for catalog.


Electronic Goldmine           [phone]
P.O. Box 5408
Scottsdale, AZ 85261          Kits, parts etc.


Electronic Materials & Computers [phone]
(plus Maryvale Engineering Co.)  FAX = [phone]
P.O. Box 23786                   New and surplus computer hardware
Phoenix, AZ 85063                New and surplus electronic components
John Schuch                      Kits, Grab-bags, Tools, Power supplies
E-mail to: [e-mail]


Electronic Rainbow            [phone]  / -7269 = FAX
6254 LaPas Trail
Indianapolis, IN 46268        Various electronics kits


Electronic Switch Co.         [phone]
4343 Shallowford Road, Suite E-6
Marietta, GA 30062            Co-axial switches etc.


Electronics Plus              [phone]  William Allen Jr.
10302 Southard Drive          [phone]
Beltsville, MD 20705     FAX: [phone] Abundant surplus. All kinds
of parts for the hobbyist. New Old Stock (NOS) parts, 20,000 tubes
transistors, ham radio homegrew parts etc. No catalog. Call them.
Exit I-95 East on Hwyw 212 to (R) on Hwy 1. Just ahead on left.


Electronics Plus              Phone number needed
Address needed
Huntsville, AL


Electronics Unlimited         [phone]
1010 Airline Blvd.,
Portsmouth, VA Zip needed     Electronic parts etc.


Electronic Warehouse          [phone] / 461-8095
5652 E. Virginia Beach Blvd.
Norfolk, VA Zip needed        Electronic equipment & supplies


Electro Sonic Inc.            (need phone number)
1700 Gordon Baker Road
Willowdale, ONT M2H 3B3
Canada                        Parts, boards, supplies etc.


ELFA                          Phone [phone]
S-171 17 Solna                FAX = (46) 8-730-30-88
Sweden                    Variable capacitors, trimmer caps, parts etc.
                          They are sure to speak English.


Elktronics Northeast Co.      [phone]
Rt. 1 Box 789
Hancock, NH 03449             VFO kit, RF amp, filters etc.)


Elna Ferrite Laboratories     [phone]
234 Tinker Street
P.O. Box 395
Woodstock, NY 12498           Ferrite cores, toroids etc.


William Erickson, W4UIL       No phone number given
3905 Cherrywood Lane
Annandale, VA 22003-1901      Tubes, older radios etc.


E.S.R.C.                      [phone]
P.O. Box 1192
Delray Beach, FL 33447-1192   Buy, sell, swap tubes of all kinds


Fair Radio Sales              [phone]
1016 E. Eureka                [phone]  FAX: [phone]
Box 1105                      Parts, transformers, power supplies,
Lima, OH 45802                Surplus and gov't surplus radios etc.


Fairway Electronics           [phone]
4210 Howard Avenue            Replacement parts for consumer electronics
Kensington, MD 20895          SONY,RCA,GE,Technics,Panasonic,Zenith etc.


Fala Electronics              (No number listed) send s.a.s.e.
P.O. Box 1376-1
Milwaukee, WI 53201           Vacuum tubes


Falkner Enterprises of America Inc.
312 River Street              [phone]
Sabula, IA 52070              Batteries, surplus electronic parts, catalog


FAR Circuits (N9ATW)          (No number listed)
18 N 640 Field Court
Dundee, IL 60118              (P.C. boards etc.)


Fordham Radio SUpply          [phone]
260 Motor Parkway
Hauppauge, NY 11788           Tools and test equipment


Robert Fowle                  [phone]
1215 Winifred Street          Buy/sell vintage gear, NOS parts, manuals
Jackson, MI 49202-1946        Hammarlund parts, numerous others too


Frequency Sources  Semiconductor Division Catalog
Need address          [phone] PIN diodes


Mark Fresa                    Phone number needed ([e-mail])
5801 North Banana River Blvd #926
Cape Canaveral, FL 32920      Numerous tubes

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 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ If the shoe fits, buy it. - Imelda Marcos


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:33 1995
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Subject: Re: Radio Kit Sources 6/7
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 06:10:00 -0500
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>>> Continued from previous message
Frontier Electronics          701-378-2341
P.O. Box 218 or 403 S.        No minimum order
McIntosh, Lehr, ND 58460      Good stock of high voltage capacitors


R.M. Fuller Co.               [phone]
902 Industry Drive
Seattle, WA 98188             DTMF decoder chips & info.


G&G Electronics               [phone]
Jeff Goldman
8524 Dakota Drive
Gaithersburg, MD 20877        Parts, manuals, amateur accesories


GSA property sales            [phone]
U.S. Government               U.S. Gov't surplus equip.
Address Needed                Call for info on regional sources
Northern Virginia             Offer sent via mailing lists


GTE Electronics               800-874-1765
Address needed please
New York, NY                  Tubes


Gateway Electronics           [phone] Orders
8123 Page Blvd.               [phone]
St. Louis, MO 63130           Parts, gadgets, surplus etc. $10 min.


G4ZPY Paddle Keys             (011) 44-704-894299
c/o Charles Tryor, N4LMY
7809, 10th Avenue S.
Birmingham, AL 35206          Various keys, catalog


Glass Audio Magazine          [phone]  /  -9467 = FAX
P.O. Box 176                  Bi-monthly $20/year
Peterborough, NH 03458-0176   Designs for tube equipment


Richard Gray, WA6LRR          [phone] / 390-8937 = FAX
11869 Hi Ridge Road
Lakeside, CA 92123            Buy & sell old radio gear,parts (pre 1940)


H & R Company                 [phone] / [phone]
(Herbach and Rademan)         FAX: [phone]
18 Canal Street, P.O.Box 122
Bristol PA 19007-0122         Tools, parts etc. Min. $25 Free catalog


Halted Specialties Co.        [phone]
3500 Ryder St.                [phone] (FAX)
Santa Clara, CA 95051         Oak Hills Research kits in stock


The Ham Key Co.               [phone]
Division of Ham Radio Center Inc.
8342 Olive Boulevard
St. Louis, MO 63132           (Paddles, keyers, SWR meters etc.)


Hambrew Magazine              [phone]
c/o George De Grazio, WF0K
P.O. Box 260083               Quarterly Magazine for builders $10/year
Lakewood, CO 80226            HF, QRP, VHF, XMTRS, RCVRS, QRO, ANTENNAS


Hammond Manufacturing Co. Inc.(Need phone number)
1690 Walden Avenue
Buffalo, NY 14225             Transformers, cases etc.


Hamtronics, Inc.              [phone]  /  - 9420 = FAX
65 Moul Road                  10m, 6m, 4m, 2m, 220
Hilton, NY 14468-9535         Receiver kits, receivers, converters


HANDS ELECTRONICS             Phone number needed
TEGRYN
LLANFYRNACH
DYFED, WALES  SA35 0BL
United Kingdom                Very good amateur radio kits


Harlech Electronics           Need phone number
Noddfa, Lower Road
Harlech, Gwynedd LL46 2UB
England                       NOTE: QRP, SWL


Heathkit Co.                  [phone]
Address needed
Benton Harbor, MI             Some parts & manuals still available


Heil Company, LTD.            [phone]
2 Heil Drive                  [phone] = FAX
Marissa, IL 62257             Microphones & other ham gadgets


Melvin Heineken, K5MNJ        No phone number given
2204 Spruce Needle Rd. N.E.
Rio Rancho, NM 87124-6308     Tubes. New unboxed. Other parts.


Hometown Electronics          [phone]
3616 Pruden Blvd.
Suffolk, VA ZIP Needed        Electronic parts and/or supplies


Hosfelt Electronics           [phone]
2700 Sunset Blvd.             FAX: [phone]
Steubenville OH 43952         No minimum. Surplus electronics.


C.M. Howes Communications     (44) 327-60178
Eydon, Daventry,
Northants NN11 6PT
England                       QRP transmitters, receivers, misc. Also
-------                       sold by Townsend Electronics in the U.S.


HSC Electronic Supply (Halted Specialties Co.)
Dave Joseph, WA6BOY Manager   [phone] orders
3500 Ryder Street             [phone]
Santa Clara, CA 95051         Surplus (new) electronics including variable
capacitors! New and used test equipment. Min order $10 ($2 handling
charge under $20), plus UPS


Heathkit                      800-253-0570
Benton Harbor, MI
Old Heathkit replacement parts until depleted plus schematics and
manual copies for some of the old Heathkits. Call with model # and or
part number. They may still have it.


Henry Radio Co.               [phone]
2050 S. Bundy Drive
Los Angeles, CA 90025         New tubes, amplifiers etc.

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 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ If the shoe fits, buy it. - Imelda Marcos




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:36 1995
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Subject: Re: Radio Kit Sources 7/7
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 06:10:00 -0500
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>>> Continued from previous message
Idiom Press                   (No phone given)
Box 1025
Geyserville, CA 95441         Computer controlled keyer kit


Index Laboratories            [phone]
9318 Randall Drive N.W.
Gig Harbor, WA 98332          The QRP Plus SSB/CW transceiver 160-10m


Industrial Communication Engineers LTD. [phone] / 545-9645 = FAX
Box 18495                     [phone]
Indianapolis, IN 46218        Grounding, filtering,matching devices


Insensitronics in Wisconsin   [phone]
Address needed
Select A tenna for $49.95, postpaid


International Components Corp.[phone]
1803 NW Lincoln Way           FAX: [phone]
Toledo, OR 97391              Cabinets, components


International Components Corp.[phone]
105 Maxess Rd.                [phone]  FAX: [phone]
Melville, NY 11747            Tubes           TELEX: 221576


International Crystal Mfg Co. [phone] / [phone]
10 North Lee Street           FAX: [phone]
Oklahoma City, OK 73102       Crystals.

701 W. Sheridan               |
PO Box 26330                  | - - Which address is correct?
Oklahoma City  OK 73126-0330  |


International Radio & Computer Inc. 10 a.m. - 5 p.m. Eastern, TUE-FRI only!
3804 South U.S. 1             [phone]
Ft. Pierce, FL 34982          FAX: [phone]
Crystal filters. Icom & Kenwood newsletters. Catalog $1.00


J & S Radio Sales             [phone]
Address Needed!
Anytown, CT                   G.E. & Motorola surplus radios


JAB Electronic Components,    Telephone [phone]
The Industrial Estate,
1180 Aldridge Road,
Great Barr, Birmingham,       Parts and kits for amateur radio
England B44 8PB.              Including Epiphyte QRP rig etc.


Jade Products Inc.            [phone]  / (800) JADE-PRO
P.O. Box 368                  [phone]
East Hampstead, NH 03826      Keyers, J-pole ant. kits 6m, 2m, 220


Jameco Electronics            [phone]  /  [phone]
1355 Shoreway Road            FAX: [phone]
Belmont, CA 94002             Electronic components $30 min. order


JAN Crystals                  [phone]
2341 Crystal Drive,           (800) JAN-XTAL /  [phone]
P.O. Box 06017 (or 60017?)    FAX: [phone]
Ft. Myers, FL 33906-6017      Crystals


J Comm                        [phone]
793 Canning Parkway       FAX [phone]
Victor, NY 14564              (QRP HT rigs for 80 - 6m, $350.00)
                              Computer interfaces etc.

Javanco                       [phone]  FAX: [phone]
501, 12th Avenue S.           Orders [phone] BBS: 244-4445
Nashville, TN 37203           (Surplus parts etc.)


JDG Co.                       No phone number given
P.O. Box 20809
Raleigh, NC 27619             Capacitors etc. catalog offered


JDR Micro Devices             [phone] / 5001
2233 Branham Lane
San Jose, CA 95124            Computers and components
Fax Order: 800-538-5005
BBS: 408-494-1430


Johns Radio                   [phone]
Whitehall Works         FAX = [phone]
84 Whitehall Road East
Birkenshaw                    Ask for Pat
Bradford BD11 2ER             Surplus radios, parts, repairs
England                       Racal RA-17s, converters etc.


Johnson Shop Products         [phone]  FAX: [phone]
P.O. Box 160113               Catalog $1 or two stamps
Cupertino, CA 95016           New & some used electronic parts


Jolida Tube Factory           [phone]
10820 Guilford Road
Annapolis Junction, MD 20701  Vacuum tubes


K-com                         [phone]
Box 82                        [phone] = FAX
Randolph, OH 44265            Telephone interference filters


Harry Kaklikian               [phone]
Address needed
USA                "One of the best sources for Collins equipment and parts.


Kanga US                      [phone]
3521 Spring Lake Drive        Biggest & best catalog of QRP kits!
Findlay, OH 45840             QRP kits, projects etc.


KB5QOH (No name given)        No phone number given

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 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ If the shoe fits, buy it. - Imelda Marcos


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gordon B. Slater)
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 07:54:16 GMT
Subject: Re: IC-735 vs FT-840
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In article <[e-mail]>, R.Baxter ([e-mail]) writes:
>Hello - this is my first posting,
hello, this isn't my first follow up :-)

>       I have heard a lot of good things about the ICOM IC-735 as a
>reliable rig for a club and for use on expeditions. Also it seems to
>be highly recommended for use on offshore yachts. I would like to ask
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  any particular reason for the recommendation?

If the yatch has normal HF eqpt just use that, much better, except you'll
have to check to see if it allows LSB, due to the old quirky tradition in
amateur circles :-)

>       I would be grateful for any info/opinions on this and advice from
>anyone who has experience in maintaining communications with a boat
>travelling from the Mediterranean via the Red Sea and across the Indian Ocean.

err, yes, but not with amateur radio.

Questions-

How big is the yacht?
How many crew?
How many amateurs?
How many experienced hf operators (professional or amateur?)
What sort of antennae are fitted on the yacht?

Gordy


--
SIGint, geddit?



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:38 1995
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Subject: Re: identify this freq
Date: 7 Jul 1995 07:55:32 GMT
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In article <3ti5lb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (skyhorse) writes:
>While listening to my scanner I frequently hear an amateur repeater on
>166.85 Mhz.  I checked in the 1995 handbook and this doesn't
>seem to be in any of the ham bands.  Could anyone shed any light on this?
>
>TNXn
This frequency should be in the Federal Agency band (I don't have specifics).
I suspect you're hearing a repeater very close by that is blasting the front
end of your scanner - try subtracting the first or second IF frequency of
your scanner from 166.85 and you may find the actual freq. The amateur
2-meter repeater sub-band is from 145.11 to 145.49 and from 146.61 to
147.39. Fixes to this would include an attenuator or a lesser antenna or
possibly a re-oriented antenna.

Hope this helps a bit.

Regards   Mike Miller  N0JAS  Des Moines, IA
          [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BV/N0IAT)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to _remove_ a ground rod?
Date: 7 Jul 1995 07:57:17 GMT
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>
>I've had a ground rod installed in a location for about a year, and
>now I'm moving.  I'd like to take the ground rod with me (ten bucks is
>ten bucks, after all), but I'm not sure the easiest way to get this
>rod out of the ground!  Can anyone offer suggestions?
>
>I'll be installing the rod into a new location.  I got the first rod
>into the ground with brute force; can anyone give some ideas on what
>might be easier ways to get a ground rod into the earth?
>
>Thanks for any info!
>James Messer
>KE4LAY
>

Ever seen those tractor pull TV commericals...you know, the ones
that start "50,000 tons of nitrous burning traction action...THissss
SSSAturday.....(echo echo echo).  Anyway, you might want to borrow
one of those monster trucks to pull that ground rod outta there (especially
if it is one of the 10 foot variety.  Best not use your car tailgate else you'll
have a heafty repair bill to re-attach the bumper.

73 de BV/N0IAT  Joe in Taipei, Taiwan
Licensed Radio Amateur since 1986    ex 7J1AOF  ex KA0ZDH  ex YU3/N0IAT   sk



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:39 1995
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From: Todd Jonz <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Hams Needed for Emergeny Communications at Equestrian Event
Date: 7 Jul 1995 09:22:01 GMT
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From: [e-mail] (Eric Hilding)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Hams Needed for Emergeny Communications at Equestrian Event
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 21:14:32 -0700 (PDT)
Organization: South_Valley_Internet
Message-ID: <3tif28$[e-mail]>

If you know of any ham radio operators available to assist in
providing emergency communications on July 22, 1995 in Santa Cruz (CA)
for the Santa Cruz County Horsemen's Association annual Fireworks
Fifty Endurance Ride, please have them contact me.

This will be a nice day in the Redwoods of Santa Cruz (CA), passing
traffic and providing emergency communication for this non-profit
organization. Meals will be provided.

Thank you very much!
Erik  KD6EUF
Internet:  [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Andy Hewett)
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Subject: Old HyGain antenna: help !
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I have acquired an old HyGain Vertical with sections for 10, 15 and 20m.

It's in three sections and looks as if there is a top section missing.

Can anyone with one of these antennas help me out ? Here's the list of
part numbers:

10m section - assembly number: 870138
15m section - assembly number: 870155
20m section - assembly number: 850169  ( may be wrong - label a bit faded !)

Made by HyGain Electrical Corp, Nebraska, USA.

Any information about the correct assembly of said vertical, or about
the configuration of the missing top section would be greatly appreciated.

TIA,

Andy G8PYG

email: [e-mail]

Std disclaimer: My opinions etc are mine, all mine, and nothing to do at
all with who I work for...





From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:41 1995
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Subject: help in Ann Arbor MI
Date: 7 Jul 1995 12:42:43 -0400
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Please help me locate a store which sells amateur radio mags, books, ARRL
stuff, etc. in Ann Arbor. I'm particularly interested in the repeater
directory and which nets are in the area.
Thanks
Mike KB0JGS
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
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Subject: Re: Radio Kit Sources 4/7
Date: 7 Jul 1995 13:51:46 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Brian Carling <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Dan's Small Parts And Kits   (Formerly KA7QJY Components)
>1935 S. 3rd W. #1
>Missoula MT 59801
>1-406-543-2872  SASE for a current list of parts.  RF parts,
>[phone] (Danny Stevig)

I've heard that Dan moved out of Montana. Can anyone confirm that Dan's is
still in operation?

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Stockton)
Subject: Re: identify this freq
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skyhorse ([e-mail]) wrote:
: While listening to my scanner I frequently hear an amateur repeater on
: 166.85 Mhz.  I checked in the 1995 handbook and this doesn't
: seem to be in any of the ham bands.  Could anyone shed any light on this?
: TNXn


    The clue may be the word "scanner"

  Most scanners are pretty poor receivers with, amongst other failings,
very poor image suppression. If your scanner is using single conversion
to a 10.7 MHz IF, the image will be 21.4 MHz away from the tuned
frequency.

   166.85  minus 21.4   = 145.450 MHz  which is in the 2 metre band.


   Guesswork, so far, but you can check it by trying 145.450 when you
find the repeater on 166.85

    It is, of course, possible that it could be a transmitted image from
a faulty repeater. The repeater would have to have a superhet
transmitter with a 10.7 IF, and would have to have poor output
filtering, and the cavity diplexer would have to have inadequate loss at
166.85  not impossible and stranger things have been known....

  Hope this helps,
                   David  GM4ZNX


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:43 1995
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English is not my native tongue and my dictionary is no help

for me in that particular case?

Thank you for help, Piotr ex SP6MLD


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai)
Subject: Re: identify this freq
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-In article <3ti5lb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (skyhorse) writes:
->While listening to my scanner I frequently hear an amateur repeater on
->166.85 Mhz.  I checked in the 1995 handbook and this doesn't
->seem to be in any of the ham bands.  Could anyone shed any light on this?
->
->TNX

Looks like you are hearing an image of a repeater on 145.45.  This is common
with double-conversion scanners.

166.85 - (2 * 10.7) = 145.45

Where 10.7 MHz (or perhaps 21.4) is your scanner's IF frequency.

/mike

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:45 1995
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From: Chuck KD9JQ <reichert>
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Subject: Re: identify this freq
Date: 7 Jul 1995 16:35:45 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>In article <3ti5lb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (skyhorse) writes:
>>While listening to my scanner I frequently hear an amateur repeater on
>>166.85 Mhz.  I checked in the 1995 handbook and this doesn't
>>seem to be in any of the ham bands.  Could anyone shed any light on this?
>>
>>TNXn
>This frequency should be in the Federal Agency band (I don't have specifics).
>I suspect you're hearing a repeater very close by that is blasting the front
>end of your scanner - try subtracting the first or second IF frequency of
>your scanner from 166.85 and you may find the actual freq. The amateur
>2-meter repeater sub-band is from 145.11 to 145.49 and from 146.61 to
>147.39. Fixes to this would include an attenuator or a lesser antenna or
>possibly a re-oriented antenna.
>
>Hope this helps a bit.
>
>Regards   Mike Miller  N0JAS  Des Moines, IA
>          [e-mail]
>


Probably 166.85 - 2 * 10.7 (IF) = 145.45 which is a repeater output.

Scanner's have notoriously poor front ends!

        Chuck
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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: amateur radi obsolete?
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Date: 7 Jul 1995 16:49:00 GMT
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In article <3thmdb$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
|> [e-mail] (Ken Edwards) wrote:
|>
|> >Burt, you are the exception to the Amateur Radio service.  MOST hams are not
|> >a***@|**  !!
|>
|>
|> Sorry there was   Q R M .

You ARE  QRM

|> Most hams are not what?

Use that stuff (if there is any) between your ears.


|> Butt depressions?

You're getting warm, keep guessing, or ask one of your students, I'm
sure they can make up for your lack of intelligence.

|> I agree most are not but they way they act make them appear to be.
|>

???  Clear communications there Burt !  %^}  (Talk about QRM)

|>

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Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:47 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: How to install a ground rod (was: How to _remove_ a ground rod?)
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Jim Erb <[e-mail]> writes:

>>> I'll be installing the rod into a new location.  I got the first rod
>>> into the ground with brute force; can anyone give some ideas on what
>>> might be easier ways to get a ground rod into the earth?
>
>Borrow or rent a Hilte rotary hammer. Comes complete with a cupped tool
>designed specifically for driving ground rods. Greatest thing since
>sliced bread for driving ground rods.


You don't need to go so high-tech.

1) Go to the local hardware or home supply store (Lowe's, HQ, etc. around
   these parts) and get a 4' length of heavy steel plumbing pipe with threading
   on at least one end.  Buy a few threaded metal caps to fit the end of the
   pipe.  Buy a 2' section of pipe if you're going to drive 4' ground rods.

2) Thread a cap on the end of the pipe.  Tighten with a pipe wrench.

3) Slide the pipe over the top of the ground rod.  Stand the rod and pipe up
   at the place you want the rod driven.

4) Grab the pipe, slide it up as high as you can, and start pounding.
   Be amazed at how well it works.

5) When the rod is halfway in and the pipe hits the ground, remove the pipe
   and finish off the job with a sledge hammer (or you might try the 2' pipe
   at this point, if you bought one).  A block of hard wood with an
   indentation in the middle of one side might make hammering easier.

6) Replace the threaded cap, which is probably cracked and about to break.


You can have a thick steel disk welded to the end of the pipe so you
won't have to keep replacing the screw-on caps.


  -joe


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Burt Fisher, Trouble Maker (was Re: Grade this term paper?
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In article <3thmmt$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
|> [e-mail] (Ken Edwards) wrote:
|>
|> >Burt, you are nothing more than a name-calling, class-clown playground bully.
|>
|> Let me get this straight. You say I am "name calling". what do you call the
|> above that you did?
|>
|>
|>


Just making an assement of your attitude.  YOU CONTIUNE TO REFUSE TO OWN
UP TO YOUR STUPIDTY.

YOU take one small part of my post out of context, and refuse to answer
the questions and issues that are posed.

YOU continue to live up to what I stated above.

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Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Burt Fisher and mikes (??)
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Date: 7 Jul 1995 16:57:05 GMT
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HEY Burt,

WHEN are YOU going to explain YOUR fanatasy on how the statement:

Hams have no bedroom activities. The mike is a subsitute.


is exactly accomplished??



Oh, the Sound of Silence....
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Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur Radio / Naturist Special Event
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In article <3thlut$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
|> [e-mail] (Robert Redoutey - KF5KF) wrote:
|>
|> >Amateurs affiliated with the American Association for Nude Recreation, the
|>
|> What an oxymoron. Hams and nude.
|> No ham dare take off its clothes, for then everyone will know who the best
|> man is.
|>
|>
|>

Burt,

Quit judging other Hams based on your own limitations...

--
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Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Opinion on Vanity Call?
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Dave Newman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I'm on the fence about going for the call of my long SK
: uncle, W2JFY. He introduced me to Ham Radio but passed
: away before I got licensed. Years later I got licensed,
: and recently moved to 6-land. When I moved I retired my
: 1-call because I think having an out-of-area call causes
: uneeded confusion, especially when DXing.

I agree wholeheartedly.  Field Day this year was my first crack at working HF in
some years.  So I'm going out of my way to contact 1s, 2s and 3s, only to
find out during the exchange of sections that they were just down the road
from me in LA.

: So my delema : I'd love to have my uncle call because,
: well you know, he taught me so much and introduced me
: to this life long obsession with radio, BUT, signing
: W2JFY/6 is bad enough on phone, and really rotten on
: cw, especially with my lame fist.

Are stations still required to sign /portable?  Guess I need to look over
Part 97.  I don't hear much of anyone signing that way today.

: de KN6BX (also not a great cw call)

I hope to get Extra by the end of summer, and sort of hate to part with my
Advanced callsign...just wonder what (AC6??) crazy Extra callsign I might
get?

I suppose if we think things are crazy now, wait until the vanity callsigns
really get going.

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
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[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Mack)
Subject: Re: Repeater Database?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 17:28:30 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dave Sparks) writes:
>Is there a database of ham repeaters available via anonymous FTP
>somewhere?
>
>Dave Sparks -- KD6PDZ -- [e-mail]
>
As far as I know there isn't. The ARRL repeater directory can only be
assembled by signing a non-disclosure statement with the repeater
co-ordinators, most of who feel proprietary about the location and
frequency of their repeaters. I asked the ARRL if I could get their
data base for a program I'm writing and this is the story I heard.

        All seems very strange to me.

        Joe Mack [e-mail]
        NA3T




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rick Risinger )
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Subject: Re: Fastest way to learn CW ?
Date: 7 Jul 1995 17:53:43 GMT
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I recently passed the 20 WPM code test, and here's my two cents worth:

- Get a copy of Morse Academy or a similar package and copy random code
letters only, and then numbers only, and then both at 25 WPM.

- Don't worry about the prosigns, except / . BT , as they are the only
ones that will appear in the text. AR & BK appear at the end.

- Get a copy of Jerry Ziliac's 35 WPM Code Word tapes.  They teach
common words and are very good.  Listen to these in your car on the way
to work.

- Using Morse Academy take the sample tests again and again and
again...

- Take the real test until you pass.  I would recommend taking the same
tests, either ARRL or W5YI, as each has its own style.  The Morse
Academy tests are best for ARRL.


 I started to learn code in Nov of 1994, passed 13WPM in January, and
20WPM in June.  You just have to work at it.

My own experience was that I seemed to get stuck at around 17-18 WPM.
I sent wife and the kids to Grandmas for a weekend, and spent two days
listening to computer generated code, taking tests and working CW on
the air.

The next Saturday I passed easily.. 8 out of 10, fill in the blank.

Good luck, it can be done. It just requires work.

Rick
KK5JV



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From: [e-mail] (Shel Darack)
Subject: Re: What SQUELCH comes from?
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[e-mail] wrote:
: English is not my native tongue and my dictionary is no help

: for me in that particular case?

: Thank you for help, Piotr ex SP6MLD

From my dictionary:
Squelch:  to crush, suppress, to silence (with a crushing remark)
OR an electronic circuit that cuts off a radio receiver when
the signal is too weak for reception of anything but noise.

Shel  WA2UBK



From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Wittich)
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Hi Ken.  Nice to see you having fun.  See you at lunch.

73
Jeff

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From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:54 1995
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Paul:  You are correct but the switch is set up such that
switch no. 1 is the binary one   ie 1000000
switch no. 2 is the binary two   ie 0100000
switch no. 3 is the binary four  ie 0010000
switch no. 7 is usually off.  it parallels the on off switch on the
top deck.  (now you only need to carry a list of the pl tones
so you know what number in the list to enter.)
Shel  WA2UBK

Paul A. Grayce ([e-mail]) wrote:
: To: [e-mail] (Bill Gunshannon)
: Subject: Re: Need help with an ICOM HT.
: Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

: In article <3tdt3v$[e-mail]> [e-mail] wrote:
: : Is there anyone here with a manual for an ICOM Micro2AT HT??  I could sure
: : use an ASCII representation of the PL chart.
: [snip]

: I just carry a list of the frequencies in my wallet and remember that
: the switch is set up in binary... i.e., turn on the 1st section and
: you have 67.0 (000001), the 2nd section (000010) gets you 71.9, the
: 1st and 2nd (000011) gets you 74.4, and so on up the line; if you
: would like a copy of the original instructions, I can send one to you
: ...73, Paul, [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is this hambo?
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Date: 7 Jul 1995 18:40:56 GMT
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In article <3thlqk$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
|>
|>
|> I hate to blow you whole theory but I am a ham.

And we (the remainder of the amateur community) certainly would like to change
this..

|> You cannot do crap.

Again Burt, YOU are judging others based on YOUR capabilities.

|> Tell me HOW you would actually send a message from
|> within a hurricane? You have a generator? Wind proof antennas? If the
|> fire dept lost their repeater I bet the ham repeater is  L O N G  gone.

Ever heard of a little thing called "field day" ??

|> The motorist can be directed and I commend you for doing it because MOST
|> hams sit on their butts when someone asks for help on a repeater (and
|> all readers here have experianced that).

That certainly doesn't happen on our repeater.  If anything, a motorist
gets Too Much help.

|> Hams indeed have an attitude,
|> the attitude of sitting on their butts talking about  N O T H I N G .

Burt, Burt, shame on you.  Generalizations AGAIN.

|> 99% offer no help, do nothing

How can you make such a statement ?  99 %  ???

|> and know diddlely about electronics.

Okay, then what's all this about tech. nets, QEX, etc. ??

|> And most of all most hams despise young people.

Surprising, the largest amateur radio project I have personally been involved,
Was one in which highlighted a wide range of subjects that only incidentally
included amateur radio.

|> I will accept you may be an
|> exception on some of these traits, but you are an exception.
|>
|>

No Burt, AGAIN, YOU are the exception to amateur radio......

--
======================================================================

Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur Radio Newsline #9 pee pee
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In article <3thm5a$[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
|> [e-mail] (Todd Jonz) wrote:
|>
|> Hams are so afraid of everything.
|> If I said  B O O  would you pee in your pants?
|>
|>

Burt, QUIT JUDGING others based on your own limitations......

--
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Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


From [e-mail] Fri Jul 07 17:16:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Dolkas)
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John Chapman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : The whole subdivision is on underground utilities, if that helps, and I don't
: : have (or plan on) putting up a tower, and we aren't in an area known for
: : lightning problems.  My previous thoughts on what to do were to take a normal
:
: : Greg  KO6TH
:
:    IMHO, amateurs that live where there is "underground" utilities,
: have a greater risk of strikes, since their antennas are the only
: metallic devices up in the air.
:
:    Any comments??????????

Well, we also live nestled amongst several oak trees which are even taller,
if that helps.

What I don't know is if being underground means that there are ample
opportunities for a strike to dissipate (it is underGROUND, after all), or
if that just means that I have a long inaccessable conduit to a unknown
lightning source.  I suppose that, being centralized, it is possible for the
power company to provide effective lightning protection prior to the cables
going under ground, and once there, they are pretty safe.  I have no idea if
this is done, however.  Anybody know?

Greg  KO6TH


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: **LAST DAYS TO VOTE ON THE VANITY CALL PROGRAM**
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 1995 11:23:43 +0100
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July 11th marks the last day to vote on vanity calls on the Web at
URL#http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html.

July 12 begins a new month long poll. The new poll question asks "SHOULD
THE CODE REQUIREMENTS BE REDUCED/ELIMINATED FOR LICENSING PRIVILEGES ABOVE
30 MHZ? All poll results are forwarded to the League and the Ham Radio
media. 73's Ray

--
Ray Sarrio Co.
http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Sparks)
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Subject: Re: **LAST DAYS TO VOTE ON THE VANITY CALL PROGRAM**
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio) wrote:

> July 12 begins a new month long poll. The new poll question asks "SHOULD
> THE CODE REQUIREMENTS BE REDUCED/ELIMINATED FOR LICENSING PRIVILEGES ABOVE
> 30 MHZ? All poll results are forwarded to the League and the Ham Radio
> media. 73's Ray

You mean *BELOW* 30 Mhz, don't you?  It was eliminated *ABOVE* 30
Mhz. several years ago.

---
Dave Sparks --- KD6PDZ --- [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (JEFF SUMBERG)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: **LAST DAYS TO VOTE ON THE VANITY CALL PROGRAM**
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 95 10:49:00 -0400
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RS>July 12 begins a new month long poll. The new poll question asks "SHOULD
  >THE CODE REQUIREMENTS BE REDUCED/ELIMINATED FOR LICENSING PRIVILEGES ABOVE
  >30 MHZ? All poll results are forwarded to the League and the Ham Radio


Dont you mean "BELOW" 30mhz?
--
*********************************************
* 73 de N2VYU, Jeff, in New Jersey  (Fn21)  *
* Email: [e-mail]         *
* Packet: N2VYU @ WA2SNA.NJ.USA.NA          *
* Advanced class - WAC on RTTY              *
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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Butch Magee)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: **LAST DAYS TO VOTE ON THE VANITY CALL PROGRAM**
Date: 11 Jul 1995 14:46:54 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (JEFF SUMBERG) says:
>
>RS>July 12 begins a new month long poll. The new poll question asks "SHOULD
>  >THE CODE REQUIREMENTS BE REDUCED/ELIMINATED FOR LICENSING PRIVILEGES ABOVE
>  >30 MHZ? All poll results are forwarded to the League and the Ham Radio
>
>
No code liscense is available for operation above 30 MHz.  I am curious
why you are taking these polls and if you think the ARRL and the rest
of us in the Amateur community would care about receiving questionable
polling results?

Butch KF5DE


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:13 1995
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Subject: Re: **LAST DAYS TO VOTE ON THE VANITY CALL PROGRAM**
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: [e-mail] (D. Larson)
Date: 11 Jul 95 11:07:40 MDT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dave Sparks) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio) wrote:
>
>> July 12 begins a new month long poll. The new poll question asks "SHOULD
>> THE CODE REQUIREMENTS BE REDUCED/ELIMINATED FOR LICENSING PRIVILEGES ABOVE
>> 30 MHZ? All poll results are forwarded to the League and the Ham Radio
>> media. 73's Ray
>
>You mean *BELOW* 30 Mhz, don't you?  It was eliminated *ABOVE* 30
>Mhz. several years ago.
>
This really buggs me.  ABOVE or *BELOW* in terms of frequency
in MHz or meters.  To me any frequency less than 30 MHz is
pretty low, but it's refered to as High Frequency.  Maybe Ray
meant above in terms of meters like uh, 160m is "above" 10m???
Very frustrating but I'm getting the hang of it.
73
KC7EGB
---Donald Larson---
---Laramie Wyoming---


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ich bin ein dumme Ammie)
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Subject: Re: 1 Hour Code Course?
Date: 10 Jul 1995 10:19:16 -0500
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The way I learned code was...

Well, I learned it out of a book first. The book had dahs and dits
written down...but I had the rhythm all screwed up. Then someone
straightened me out there one day, which didn't take much.

All I did after that was listen to a shortwave receiver whenever I felt
like I wanted to: everything from CQ CQ CQ DE WNU32 WNU#@ WNU#@ QSZ 4 8
12 16 mhz obs? CQ ... to hams on the novice band and everything else in
between, regardless of speed, just to see which letters I could pick out.
I  started doing this in July of '87; the first cw I ever heard was on
Field Day '87, and I was surprised that I could copy anything at all,
because on the way over was when I got my rhythm problem all straightened
out. Between July and September, I listened. I listened to voice, I
listened to cw, I listened to it all, and then on something like
September the 23rd (well, end of September anyway) 1987, I passed my 5
wpm 100%. No kidding. *Then*, after I had passed my test, I found W1AW,
and found (to my amazement) that I could copy about 13 WPM! (By the way,
I passed my novice theory only barely, as I had studied out-of-date
material.) In January, I went to take my General (figured I'd just skip
over Tech), and passed my 20, at the urging of my elmer. "Sit in on it
anyway," he said, "and the 13 will sound slower. Besides, you might just
pass." Well, I did pass. Then I went on to fail tech and general (in
reverse order--they gave 'em to me wrong way round). So, "I was a 20 WPM
Novice." Not for long though, because the next month I became a 20 WPM
General...then two years later, a 20 WPM Advanced... then, two years
after that...Extra. So it's do-able. I was only 14 when I passed my Tech,
and still 14 when I passed my General. I passed my Extra 2 months before
I turned 19. Now, whether I do code or not--sometimes I have long dry
spells--I can copy 25 wpm solid, no problems, in my head. Sometimes
faster, on good days. If I practiced more, who knows? Would you believe I
actually enjoy cw?

By the way, if you really learn cw, you don't forget it. I even decode
car horns sometimes that don't intend to be sending. *Heh...* The
problem, to my mind, is that people go in thinking they won't like it,
that it'll be hard, that they're just going to learn it, dammit all, but
they aren't going to like it. So it's that much harder. People make the
whole thing a lot harder than it needs to be--and that's really a shame.
It's not all that bad, really--about like anything else, I suppose.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV        | If you visit American city,
[phone] (Home)         | You will find it very pretty.
Internet: [e-mail]    | But two things of which you must beware:
[e-mail]    | Don't drink the water, and don't breathe the air. --Tom Lehrer


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ROBERT GERNER JR.)
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Subject: 2nd national Hamfest Bakersfield,ca
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KERN COUNTY CENTRAL VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB INC. OF BAKERSFIELD,CA
                     2ND NATIONAL HAMFEST OCT 6,7,8 1995
                       AT COSTERISAN LAKE, BAKERSFIELD,CA

 FRIDAT OCT 6, 1995- 8am Gates open for Dealer setup and camping.
    7pm - VE Testing off site.
    7pm  - Entertainment.
Saturday OCT 7, 1995-    Guest speakers all day
4 pm Tri-tip dinner
7pm Entertainment
Door prizes all day
Sunday OCT 8,1995
11AM All prizes will be gave away!!!! 6mtr Azden PCS-7500 MOBILE 50
WATTS, Yaesu 840 Hf rig
 For more info e-mail myself here or call Alvie N6THC 805-396-1012
OR CALL MYSELF Rob Gerner KB6JFL 805-366-1276
MORE SPEAKERS ARE NEEDED.  GAMES FOR KIDS, BOOTHS FOR YLS


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:16 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Alaska Bush Net time/freq?
Date: 10 Jul 1995 08:08:42 GMT
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Worldradio magazine ran an article recently on the Alaska Bush Net, but
listed the frequency as "around 7087 KHz" and the time as 8 PM.  Could
some kind soul supply me with the exact frequency of the net, and the time
in UTC?  Much appreciated.

--
Ed Carp, N7EKG                          [e-mail], [e-mail]
801/534-8857 voicemail                  801/460-1883 digital pager
Finger [e-mail] for PGP 2.5 public key          [e-mail]

Q.      What's the trouble with writing an MS-DOS program to emulate Clinton?
A.      Figuring out what to do with the other 639K of memory.


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:17 1995
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From: "Marc Kilgore" <[e-mail]>
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On Sat, 08 Jul 1995 22:03:15 GMT,
Steve King  <[e-mail] > wrote:

>Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:
  <<< CLIP >>>
>and out of the Santa Clara Valley was via amateur radio.  In SoCal,
>they have fires, mudslides, earthquakes, locusts which all can take
                                          ^^^^^^^
>out cell sites, but ham radio antennas can be set up faster than the
>cell sites can be restored.

Boy, they don't have locusts that big here in Minnesota! :)



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
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"Marc Kilgore" <[e-mail]> wrote:

:>On Sat, 08 Jul 1995 22:03:15 GMT,
:>Steve King  <[e-mail] > wrote:

:>>Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:
:>  <<< CLIP >>>
:>>and out of the Santa Clara Valley was via amateur radio.  In SoCal,
:>>they have fires, mudslides, earthquakes, locusts which all can take
:>                                          ^^^^^^^
:>>out cell sites, but ham radio antennas can be set up faster than the
:>>cell sites can be restored.

:>Boy, they don't have locusts that big here in Minnesota! :)

In SoCal the locusts have titanium steel teeth...geez..didn't you know that?

============================================================================
Jim Martin, WK1V                | I speak for no one....not even myself.
Lowell, Massachusetts           |
USAF(Ret) 1973-1993             |
Ex-KB1LW-N1CLS-KA5MWD-HL9ZF     |
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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
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>:>>and out of the Santa Clara Valley was via amateur radio.  In SoCal,
>:>>they have fires, mudslides, earthquakes, locusts which all can take
>:>                                          ^^^^^^^
>:>>out cell sites, but ham radio antennas can be set up faster than the
>:>>cell sites can be restored.
>
>:>Boy, they don't have locusts that big here in Minnesota! :)
>
>In SoCal the locusts have titanium steel teeth...geez..didn't you know that?
>

In Minnesota the MOSQUITOES are that big!

                                        Zack W9SZ


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:19 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Amateur Radio / Naturist
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[e-mail] (Bill Hommel) wrote:

>What do you guys clip your HT's to?????  :) ;)
>
>Bill KA9QFJ

To their rubber duckies.


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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:20 1995
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>
>RR-K>Amateurs affiliated with the American Association for Nude Recreation, the
>    >Naturist Society and the Federation of Canadian Naturists will observe
>    >the 20th Annual North American Nude Awareness Celebration during the week

>
>What do you guys clip your HT's to?????  :) ;)
>
Boy I want to tell you this is dangerous. A MD friend of mine tells me
these naked hams are fiddling around with something very dangerous. RF
energy in the UHF range and up can be harmful to many different organs,
not just the eyeballs. Lets say one of these naked guys made a
transmission on his 440 HT using a speakerphone and happened to hold the
radio too near his "waist".......... man oh man - you are looking at a
potentially nasty situation.

--






                 ..as for the mysteries of the
                Universe...they knew them not...


  And in the time of their visitation they shall shine, and run
  to and fro like sparks among the stubble.

  gareth     e-mail    [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mario Mere')
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Subject: Re: Amateur Radio / Naturist
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Gareth Crispell <[e-mail]> wrote:



>Boy I want to tell you this is dangerous. A MD friend of mine tells me
>these naked hams are fiddling around with something very dangerous. RF
>energy in the UHF range and up can be harmful to many different organs,
>not just the eyeballs. Lets say one of these naked guys made a
>transmission on his 440 HT using a speakerphone and happened to hold the
>radio too near his "waist".......... man oh man - you are looking at a
>potentially nasty situation.

Would have little or no effect on most hams!

73 de N1SGN
Mario MerΘ
[e-mail]



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> Gareth Crispell <[e-mail]> apparently wrote:
>
>
>
> >Boy I want to tell you this is dangerous. A MD friend of mine tells me
> >these naked hams are fiddling around with something very dangerous. RF
> >energy in the UHF range and up can be harmful to many different organs,
> >not just the eyeballs. Lets say one of these naked guys made a
> >transmission on his 440 HT using a speakerphone and happened to hold the
> >radio too near his "waist".......... man oh man - you are looking at a
> >potentially nasty situation.


How much rf protection does underwear provide?












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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Gareth Crispell) says:

>
>>
>>RR-K>Amateurs affiliated with the American Association for Nude Recreation, the
>>    >Naturist Society and the Federation of Canadian Naturists will observe
>>    >the 20th Annual North American Nude Awareness Celebration during the week
>
>>
>>What do you guys clip your HT's to?????  :) ;)
>>
>Boy I want to tell you this is dangerous. A MD friend of mine tells me
>these naked hams are fiddling around with something very dangerous. RF
>energy in the UHF range and up can be harmful to many different organs,
>not just the eyeballs. Lets say one of these naked guys made a
>transmission on his 440 HT using a speakerphone and happened to hold the
>radio too near his "waist".......... man oh man - you are looking at a
>potentially nasty situation.
>

Well, unless you're wearing metal underwear, it doesn't matter whether
you're wearing clothes or not...440 MHz will affect you the same with a
thick layer of clothes on as with no clothes on.

So get out those metal pants and yak away!

                                        Zack W9SZ


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
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Gareth Crispell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>not just the eyeballs. Lets say one of these naked guys made a
>transmission on his 440 HT using a speakerphone and happened to hold the
>radio too near his "waist".......... man oh man - you are looking at a
>potentially nasty situation.

As opposed to the absolute RF shielding provided by the cheap
synthetics that most hams wear?

Or maybe those silly polyester leisure suits?

Or the classic Sears overalls?

Leather and chains?

        - Brian


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From: [e-mail] (R. Wiley)
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

>[e-mail] (Robert Redoutey - KF5KF) wrote:

>>Amateurs affiliated with the American Association for Nude Recreation, the

>What an oxymoron. Hams and nude.
>No ham dare take off its clothes, for then everyone will know who the best
>man is.


Anthropomorphism is the attribution of one's own
traits to others (usually human characteristics
to non humans).

Does anyone else suspect that one ham might
project his own shortcomings on all others?


rw




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Guy A. DeRose)
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Subject: Re: amateur radio obsolete?
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In article <3tmv3p$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steve King) writes:


>Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>[e-mail] wrote:

>>>When I was in the USAF, several commanders ordered our MARS stations
>>>closed because "we don't need the capability now that we have cellular
>>>phones".  Same logic.  What idiots.  And the comm people didn't even
>>>argue.  Bigger idiots.

>Just like a few years ago ('91/'92?) the California OES put out a
>bulletin saying that amateur radio is no longer a part of the state's
>disaster plans because of the widespread use of cellular telephones.
>What the state neglected to notice, among other things, is that when
>power was lost (including the cell sites) after the Loma Prieta
>earthquake (Oct 89, I think), the only way messages could be sent in
>and out of the Santa Clara Valley was via amateur radio.  In SoCal,
>they have fires, mudslides, earthquakes, locusts which all can take
>out cell sites, but ham radio antennas can be set up faster than the
>cell sites can be restored.  Not to mention amateur radio (i.e.,
>trained volunteers) is more economical than cell phone time, even if
>the state did get a discount.

>>You are the idiot.
>>In most areas ham radio serves no purpose other than to cause old fat white
>>dirty men to sit on their butts. There are exceptions but they are
>>EXCEPTIONS.

Let me relate an "EXCEPTION", to use the constructive :) term from the
previous paragraph.  At approximately 6:40 PDT this morning, my carpool was
making its daily drive through the Angeles National Forest (LA, CA area) on
our way to Pasadena on the Angeles Forest Highway, when we noticed immediate
slowing ahead around a sharp turn.  It seems that some poor fool had the bad
lack of sense to try passing another car over the double yellow on a turn and
ended up rolling his BMW into a ditch off the side of the road.  The person
driving my carpool has EMT training, so we stopped to assess the situation.
About 6 cars had already pulled over at the scene (mostly rubber-neckers) and
one man was holding a cellular phone.  When Derek (the EMT) got out to check
on any victims (one had facial lacerations), I asked the cell phone user if he
was able to contact any emergency personnel.  He said that he tried 911 and
was cut off twice when he couldn't hit any cells.  This part of the forest is
pretty cell-lean.  However, there are at least three 2m amateur repeaters that
are reachable, since they are on mountain tops, so I asked if there was
anybody on frequency who could call the highway patrol for a traffic accident.
 As it turns out, there was since the local repeaters usually get alot of
traffic during rush hours, and I was able to get someone to relay the
information to the CHP and ambulance personnel.

This road is only lightly patrolled, and public phones are not very frequent,
nor are there any call boxes along the route.  Sure, there are alot of people
that drive the route who have cellular phones (This is LA County after all :)
), but they are quite useless in the remote portions.  I'd have to conclude
that amateur radio made the difference between minor medical attention being
needed and a longer wait for response causing more serious injuries to develop
in the victim of this accident.

Just my $0.02 (and a good excuse for being late for work today).

73 DE KE6JTN


Guy A. DeRose
Manager, Senior Physics Laboratory
Caltech


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alex Gong)
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I am looking for any ham radio clubs in the area of Wausau or Marathon county.
Also the repeater infos and packet BBS if any.
Appreciate if you can give the contact person too.
73... de Alex
Packet: KC6WIM @ W6QFK.#SOCA.CA.USA.NA


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jani 'Dii' Kanala)
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Subject: Any ham happenings in Midwest?
Date: 10 Jul 1995 01:38:16 GMT
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I'm spending my summer in Indiana and I was wondering if there are any
ham happenings in Midwest (in nearby states) this summer?  I'd like to
visit some here since I'm missing finnish summer camp while staying
here..  Let me know if you know any? Any info appreciated. Thanks
in advance!

  73 ... OH6LJN


--

regards,
  Jani



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
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This is NOT a correct statement. What Apple wrote in their petition is:
"Because NII Band technologies generally will be a more hospitable
'neighbor' than ISM devices ..., the NII Band allocation likely will not
adversely affect existing radiolocation or Amateur operations." Apple
absolutely HAS NOT proposed to take this band away from Amateur use. Jim
Lovette, author of Apple's petition, has a rusty ham ticket in his
background although he is not currently active. He has worked
cooperatively with the ARRL in recent FCC rulings concerning Part 15 usage
of the 902-928 MHz and the 2.4 GHz band.

The 5.7 GHz band is already a shared Part 15 band. Apple's NII petition is
basically an enhancement or extension to existing Part 15 usage. The
petition does not now specifically give technical requirements to the
proposed usage but it would appear to be basically low power devices (like
Part 15) but with directional antennas allowed.

I can hardly call this a "taking" of the 5.7 Ghz Amateur band.

Our best hope for continued access to UHF spectrum is to share our
allocations. Commercial interests don't particularly want to have shared
bands. All Amateur allocations above 420 MHz are today shared bands. And
remember that between 1980 and 1989, we lost an average of 9 MHz of
spectrum each and every year. 1989's loss of 220-222 MHz made 1989 a
fantastic year for ham radio - only 2 MHz lost!

Ed Mitchell
KF7VY
Disclaimer: The above comments are my own and do not represent the views
of my employer, Microsoft Corporation. However, I am familiar with this
proposal as I authored Microsoft's comments on Apple's petition, for
filing with the FCC.

>Apples proposal involves taking away One Hundred Fifty MHz of spectrum
>from the Amateur Radio Service at 5.7 GHz and using it for a propriatary
>high power vary wide band data network.
>
>They are not satisfied with the current Part15 sharing of the same
spectrum.
>
>Comments are due to the Commission by the tenth of July.
>
>Bob
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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:32 1995
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KK>From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
KK>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
KK>Subject: ARLB067 ARRL president steps down
KK>Message-ID: <3tjhpv$[e-mail]>
KK>Date: 7 Jul 1995 14:53:51 GMT
KK>
KK>[e-mail] wrote:
KK>
KK>>On July 1, 1995, American Radio Relay League President George S.
KK>>Wilson III, W4OYI, submitted his resignation from the office he has
KK>>held since January 1992.  Mr Wilson, who suffered a stroke on
KK>>February 11, presently is in a rehabilitation hospital in
KK>>Evansville, Indiana.
KK>>
KK>>''The League has my undying love and support,'' he said.
KK>>
KK>
KK>And his wife has what...a place in the back of the bus.
KK>
KK>

Obviously Mr. Fisher has not been privileged to meet the Wilson
family nor has he suffered with them through the heart-wrenching
period since George was striken. By implying a lack of love
between these two people, Mr. Fisher displays incredibly poor
manners and has directly insulted two uncommonly fine people.

Normally, I would "consider the source" but I cannot let such
coarse and crude behavior go unchallenged. All who are familiar
with the emotional roller-coaster of Georges' fight for survival
have been astounded by the strength of the bonds of love and
devotion in the Wilson family.

In the strongest possible terms, all amateurs should condemn the
crass comment by Mr. Fisher.

Mr Fisher, you owe the Wilson family a direct, immediate, and
sincere apology.

de Hans Brakob, K0HB




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:33 1995
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[e-mail] (Hans Brakob) wrote:

:>KK>From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
:>KK>...And his wife has what...a place in the back of the bus.

:>Mr Fisher, you owe the Wilson family a direct, immediate, and
:>sincere apology.

I agree!  Fisher, of all your inane comments this was certainly one of them...
<profound, huh?> really...totally uncalled for.

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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:35 1995
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[e-mail] (Hans Brakob) wrote:
>>
>KK>[e-mail] wrote:
>KK>
>KK>>On July 1, 1995, American Radio Relay League President George S.
>KK>>Wilson III, W4OYI, submitted his resignation from the office he has
>KK>>held since January 1992.  Mr Wilson, who suffered a stroke on
>KK>>February 11, presently is in a rehabilitation hospital in
>KK>>Evansville, Indiana.
>KK>>
>KK>>''The League has my undying love and support,'' he said.
>KK>>
>KK>
>KK>And his wife has what...a place in the back of the bus.

>Obviously Mr. Fisher has not been privileged to meet the Wilson
>family nor has he suffered with them through the heart-wrenching
>period since George was striken. By implying a lack of love
>between these two people, Mr. Fisher displays incredibly poor
>manners and has directly insulted two uncommonly fine people.

Wilson was the one who professed "undying love for the ARRL", that is NOT a
term you use for a ham radio organization. He may be all you say. But
his comments portrayed otherwise.

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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:36 1995
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[e-mail] (Jim Martin) wrote:
>[e-mail] (Hans Brakob) wrote:
>
>:>KK>From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
>:>KK>...And his wife has what...a place in the back of the bus.
>
>:>Mr Fisher, you owe the Wilson family a direct, immediate, and
>:>sincere apology.
>
>I agree!  Fisher, of all your inane comments this was certainly one of them...
><profound, huh?> really...totally uncalled for.

Wilson professed "undying love for the ARRL."
That is a term best reserved for a REAL loved one, a human one.

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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:37 1995
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In article <3tjhpv$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:

> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >On July 1, 1995, American Radio Relay League President George S.
> >Wilson III, W4OYI, submitted his resignation from the office he has
> >held since January 1992.  Mr Wilson, who suffered a stroke on
> >February 11, presently is in a rehabilitation hospital in
> >Evansville, Indiana.
> >
> >''The League has my undying love and support,'' he said.
> >
>
> And his wife has what...a place in the back of the bus.
>
>


And this from the "person" who claimed OTHER hams were unfeeling.

Burt, this is the most cold and heartless posting I have ever
had the displeasure of seeing come across the net.  To attack someone
who has suffered and now must leave his job due to health.  And in his
last comments, leave a heartfelt thanks to the PEOPLE he has worked
with.

You sir, are not worth any more of my time, and I consider
your worthless dribble to no longer be a plea for attention, but
garbage that will simply be put in its proper place before it
even comes into my machine.

YOU REALLY NEED A LIFE.  Get off your butt, turn off your computer,
and take a walk outside.  There is more to life than YOUR sophmoric
little tries at wit, and constant pleas for attention.

<Author Kill File include Burt Fisher>

To all others out there, have pity on this poor lifeless lump of
flesh that has insisted on posting here.  He apparently cannot get
satisfaction in his own home, like the rest of us.


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Did anyone else experienced what I did on Saturday,
July 1, 1995, or if they noticed unusual band openings at this
time:

I was driving in the Oklahoma panhandle around 1:30 pm CDT and
thought I'd try to find an FM station (broadcast band, that is) to
listen to.  This is usually difficult in these parts, since I was
a long way from anywhere (I was east of Guymon, OK, if that helps).
Lo and behold, there was a strong FM station on EVERY spot on the
dial (i.e., every 200 kHz).  In fact most of the frequencies had
2 or more stations "doubling." All of these stations were from the
southeast: Florida, Georgia, Alabama.  This band opening lasted
at least a couple of hours.

I scanned the 2 meter band with my HT and mag-mount antenna, hoping
it might be open, but 2m was pretty quiet.  Giving a CQ (no, I don't
normally do this!) on 146.52 simplex didn't raise anybody.

I've never heard of such a band opening on FM like this!
Did anyone notice anything unusual on 6m or below?


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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:39 1995
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From: Hans Brakob <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Boorish comment
Date: 10 Jul 1995 15:07:24 GMT
Organization: MicroBurst
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Xref: grape.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.misc:82666 rec.radio.amateur.policy:28493

In a bulletin regarding the resignation of George Wilson, W4OYI, as i
president, ARRL said:

>Mr Wilson, who suffered a stroke on February 11, presently is in a r
>hospital in Evansville, Indiana.
>''The League has my undying love and support,'' he said.

Burt Fisher K1OIK commented:

>"And his wife has what...a place in the back of the bus."

Obviously Mr. Fisher has not been privileged to meet the Wilson
family nor has he suffered with them through the heart-wrenching
period since George was striken. By implying a lack of love
between these two people Mr. Fisher displays incredibly poor
manners and has directly insulted two uncommonly fine people.

Normally, I would "consider the source" but I cannot let such
course and crude behavior go unchallenged. All who are familiar
with the emotional roller coaster of Georges' fight for
survival have been astounded by the strength of the bonds of love
and devotion in the Wilson family.

Mr Fisher, you owe the Wilsons a direct, immediate, and sincere apolo

--
73, de Hans, K0HB   | The Radio Amateur is: Considerate... |
                    | Loyal...  Progressive... Friendly... |
Support your local  | Balanced... Patriotic...             |
    radio club      |         (Amateurs Code by W9EEA)     |


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott H. Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Callsign server @ U Arkansas?
Date: 10 Jul 1995 07:31:09 -0500
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Does anyone have the telnet address for the callsign server at the
University of Arkansas?  I've misplaced it.  It seemed to be more
up-to-date than the Buffalo server.

Tnx.

-- Scott

--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scott Reed KF9QK                  [e-mail]                  Chicago


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:41 1995
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From: Gary Stone <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Callsign server @ U Arkansas?
Date: 11 Jul 1995 02:54:46 GMT
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To: All

The address I have is:  CALLSIGN.UALR.EDU 2000
I have tried to use this and get in, but what is the login and password
(I tried my e-mail address and quest to no avail)??
Thanks




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:41 1995
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From: Gary Stone <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Callsign server @ U Arkansas?
Date: 11 Jul 1995 02:55:05 GMT
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The address I have is:  CALLSIGN.UALR.EDU 2000
I have tried to use this and get in, but what is the login and password
(I tried my e-mail address and quest to no avail)??
Thanks




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Price N3QYE)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Callsign server @ U Arkansas?
Date: 10 Jul 1995 13:11:23 GMT
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Scott H. Reed ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Does anyone have the telnet address for the callsign server at the
: University of Arkansas?  I've misplaced it.  It seemed to be more
: up-to-date than the Buffalo server.

I don't know if you can telnet to it, but via www the url is:

http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Price, ARS N3QYE                         Don't blame me.
[e-mail]                  I voted for Emma Goldman.


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gachon Philippe SUPAERO)
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Subject: Re: Callsign server @ U Arkansas?
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> > The address I have is:  CALLSIGN.UALR.EDU 2000
> I have tried to use this and get in, but what is the login and password
> (I tried my e-mail address and quest to no avail)??
> Thanks
>
>

login : anonymous
password : your e-mail address

Connected to athena.ualr.edu.
220 athena.ualr.edu MultiNet FTP Server Process 3.4(14) at Tue 11-Jul-95 8:10AM-CDT
Name (CALLSIGN.UALR.EDU:thivet): anonymous
331 anonymous user ok. Send real ident as password.
Password: [e-mail]
230-Welcome to the University of Arkansas at Little Rock anonymous FTP server


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Richard Rosenfeld)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: callsign.ualr.edu 2000
Date: 10 Jul 1995 14:08:20 GMT
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For everyone:

telnet callsign.ualr.edu 2000

In article <3tr6id$[e-mail]>, Scott H. Reed <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Does anyone have the telnet address for the callsign server at the
>University of Arkansas?  I've misplaced it.  It seemed to be more
>up-to-date than the Buffalo server.
>
>Tnx.
>
>-- Scott
>
>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Scott Reed KF9QK                  [e-mail]                  Chicago


--
72 and 73!                                     _________   _________  The
301-549-1022 Talk to me eves&weekends, else lv. message \ /  Long   Original
Scott Rosenfeld  Amateur Radio NF3I  Burtonsville, MD    |   Live    $5.00
  WAC-CW/SSB  WAS  DXCC - 136 QSLed on dipoles __________| Dipoles! Antenna!


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:44 1995
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From: Grant H Youngman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Date: 9 Jul 1995 03:25:11 GMT
Organization: PSI Public Usenet Link
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>My question is: can he get his ham license or will the FCC deny him on
>this basis?  When you go to take the test, do they ask if you've ever
>been convicted of a felony?  DO you have to give specifics?  I think he
>is too embarassed to give the specifics here in our small community, but
>he really wants his ham license.  Please, all suggestions and comments
>are welcome.  Thanks.
>

This will have no impact on his ability to obtain
an amateur radio license.  The question is not asked.

Tell him there's nothing to worry about and to go for it!

Grant/NQ5T




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone])
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
In-Reply-To: Grant H Youngman's message of 9 Jul 1995 03:25:11 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Unfortunately, the new Newsline has a case where the FCC is making a
crime committed by an amateur, apparently not connected with amateur
radio, an issue in the renewal of an amateur license.

I'd still say go for it.
73, doug


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Date: 9 Jul 1995 16:52:38 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>
>I am usually against the posting of private e-mail, but this is a case
>where I would like to bring forward this issue and get an answer once
...

It is VERY VERY bad form to publicly post a private e-mail message.

--
Roger J. Buffington
1L, USC Law School
[e-mail]
AB6WR
Go Trojans!
WARPing with IBM OS/2 3.0 and PM-Mail
Scotty, beam me up...



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:46 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 95 18:32:36 GMT
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In article <3tp1gm$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington) wrote:
}In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
}says...
}>
}>
}>I am usually against the posting of private e-mail, but this is a case
}>where I would like to bring forward this issue and get an answer once
}....
}
}It is VERY VERY bad form to publicly post a private e-mail message.
}

Well then, how in the hell is he supposed to find out things like this
unless he asks someone?????
This is the internet, not the home shopping club or your sisters buliten
board in her kitchen.

It is VERY VERY bad form for you to frown on someone who askes a legitmate
question.

If his friend has a problem with it then thats between him and his friend..


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:47 1995
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From: Grant H Youngman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Date: 9 Jul 1995 23:39:48 GMT
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[e-mail] (Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone]) wrote:
>Unfortunately, the new Newsline has a case where the FCC is making a
>crime committed by an amateur, apparently not connected with amateur
>radio, an issue in the renewal of an amateur license.
>
>I'd still say go for it.
>73, doug

What did he do?  IF the FCC does any kind of background check on new
license applications, its certainly not very widely known.

I can see where they might be concerned about someone who had been
convicted of some form of communications related fraud, for example,
but basing license qualification on ANY conviction would be a stretch.

Grant/NQ5T



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:48 1995
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From: Grant H Youngman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Date: 9 Jul 1995 23:48:54 GMT
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snip....
>}
>
>Well then, how in the hell is he supposed to find out things like this
>unless he asks someone?????
>This is the internet, not the home shopping club or your sisters buliten
>board in her kitchen.
>
>It is VERY VERY bad form for you to frown on someone who askes a legitmate
>question.
>
>If his friend has a problem with it then thats between him and his friend..

I can't see where anyone violated anyone else's privacy here.  No names,
anon server.  No bad form.

I agree -- better if Mr. Buffington had just answered the question.
After all, he's a 1L law student ....

As far as I know, the FCC does not restrict licensees based on a personal
background check.  In another newsgroup, someone mentioned that there
was a current RENEWAL case under review because of some kind of criminal
activity, but no details.

I'd guess you might have a problem with a conviction on something related
to communications fraud -- like telephone long distance fraud or theft
and sale of cellular phone ID codes.

Grant/NQ5T



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Date: 10 Jul 1995 01:19:51 GMT
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In article <3tphsm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>In article <3tp1gm$[e-mail]>,
>   [e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington) wrote:
>It is VERY VERY bad form for you to frown on someone who askes a legitmate
>question.
>

Sorry chum.  You're just wrong.  Generally accepted nettiquette is that if
you don't post a message publicly, than it shouldn't stay public.

Tough if you don't like it.

--
Roger J. Buffington
1L, USC Law School
[e-mail]
AB6WR
Go Trojans!
WARPing with IBM OS/2 3.0 and PM-Mail
Scotty, beam me up...



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joel B Levin)
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
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|In article <3tp1gm$[e-mail]>,
|   [e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington) wrote:
|}It is VERY VERY bad form to publicly post a private e-mail message.
|}

In <3tphsm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
<[e-mail]> completely misses the point:

|Well then, how in the hell is he supposed to find out things like this
|unless he asks someone?????
|This is the internet, not the home shopping club or your sisters buliten
|board in her kitchen.

Roger is frowning on the previous poster publishing e-mail sent
privately to him without the e-mail writer's prior permission.  Get
a grip.

And he had a lot of nerve publishing the identity of the private
e-mail writer while hiding behind an anonymous remailer besides.

My take on private e-mail  (I ought to put it in my sig, though):

Normally, posting it _without permission_ is a no-no (I have posted
it several times _with_ permission secured in advance).  I feel free
to quote from or paraphrase e-mail I've received as long as the
writer's identity is not given and one couldn't deduce that identity
from the reposted stuff.

However, (this is what I should put in my .sig) - I do feel free to
post any harmful or abusive e-mail I receive, and have done so on
occasion.  By sending that kind of mail to my personal mailbox one
forfeits any consideration as a civilized person.

Many people that under no circumstances should private e-mail be
posted without permission; I make the one exception.

        /J

--
Nets: [e-mail]  |  I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences
  or [e-mail]|  attending too much liberty than those attending
pots: [phone]  |  too small a degree of it.  -- Thomas Jefferson
ARS:  KD1ON          |








From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Braun)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 95 19:10:16 GMT
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In Article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:

> I have a friend who would like to take the Tech/Novice exams for his
> amateur radio license.  He had some trouble in his life about 4 years ago
> and was convicted of several serious felonies (none involving radio or
> communications) related to his drug addiction.  Today he is clean and
> sober, and has changed his life around and is married and has a life.
>
> My question is: can he get his ham license or will the FCC deny him on
> this basis?

There is no reason he cannot be licensed.  Neither the exam teams (I'm a
VE team leader so I know) nor the 610 form ask about prior convictions.
I think the FCC keeps a list of people whose licenses they've revoked and
cross-checks against that, but other than that I don't think there are any
restrictions based on prior criminal record or lack thereof.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
*  Alan Braun MD, NS0B/V31EV  *   Internet: [e-mail]      *
*  Jefferson City, MO         *   Packet: NS0B@N0LBA.#cemo.mo.usa.noam  *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 09:06:48
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As far as I know ANYONE can take a test and get a license in this country.
One can be IN jail, if local rules permit.  One can even be an illegal alien.


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Todd Perry)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Date: 10 Jul 1995 16:46:26 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>Unfortunately, the new Newsline has a case where the FCC is making a
>crime committed by an amateur, apparently not connected with amateur
>radio, an issue in the renewal of an amateur license.
>
>I'd still say go for it.
>73, doug


Is this the Kevin Mitnick thing?
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                        GMOO
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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:54 1995
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In <3tppc4$[e-mail]>, Grant H Youngman <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>What did he do?  IF the FCC does any kind of background check on new
>license applications, its certainly not very widely known.
>
>Grant/NQ5T
>

Grant,

This is the KV4FZ thing ... the Commission is trying to jerk Herb's license based
on his felony conviction for telephone toll fraud.

    ... Joe Subich, AD8I
       ([e-mail])




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:55 1995
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From: Grant H Youngman <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] wrote:
>In <3tppc4$[e-mail]>, Grant H Youngman <[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>>What did he do?  IF the FCC does any kind of background check on new
>>license applications, its certainly not very widely known.
>>
>>Grant/NQ5T
>>
>
>Grant,
>
>This is the KV4FZ thing ... the Commission is trying to jerk Herb's license based
>on his felony conviction for telephone toll fraud.
>
>    ... Joe Subich, AD8I
>       ([e-mail])

Well, that explains it!  Should have recognized the footprints of good
ol' Herbie in this one somewhere.

In any event, this is a very specific case with a long and contoversial
history and is certainly no indication that the FCC routinely hassles
folks who have had a prior generic bout with the legal system.

Grant/NQ5T



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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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It's interesting that the poster wishes to remain anonymous (by using
anon.penet.fi) yet is so willing to post the identity of the peron
who emailed him. That seems a bit hypocritical.

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:57 1995
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In Article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:
>Hello
>I have a friend who would like to take the Tech/Novice exams for his
>amateur radio license.  He had some trouble in his life about 4 years ago
>and was convicted of several serious felonies (none involving radio or
>communications) related to his drug addiction.  Today he is clean and
>sober, and has changed his life around and is married and has a life.
>
>My question is: can he get his ham license or will the FCC deny him on
>this basis?  When you go to take the test, do they ask if you've ever
>been convicted of a felony?  DO you have to give specifics?  I think he
>is too embarassed to give the specifics here in our small community, but
>he really wants his ham license.  Please, all suggestions and comments
>are welcome.  Thanks.
>
>
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        There is an ongoing case now involving the renewal of license
of one H. L. Schoenbohm, KV4FZ.  I understand he was convicted of a
felony regarding possession of telephone access codes.  As some of you
may know, he has been very controversial for many years.  There are
many, many good hams who are applauding the FCC's action in this case.
We only wonder what took them so long.
        The hearing is scheduled for Aug. 8.
Don, K1IDF





From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:11:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Hello
>I have a friend who would like to take the Tech/Novice exams for his
>amateur radio license.  He had some trouble in his life about 4 years ago
>and was convicted of several serious felonies (none involving radio or
>communications) related to his drug addiction.  Today he is clean and
>sober, and has changed his life around and is married and has a life.
>
>My question is: can he get his ham license or will the FCC deny him on
>this basis?  When you go to take the test, do they ask if you've ever
>been convicted of a felony?  DO you have to give specifics?  I think he
>is too embarassed to give the specifics here in our small community, but
>he really wants his ham license.  Please, all suggestions and comments
>are welcome.  Thanks.

The FCC does not ask on its application about criminal records. However,
amateur licenses are normally available only to citizens or aliens legally
in this country. A felon has his citizenship rights restricted, IE he's
inelegible to vote, hold office, own firearms, etc, unless his rights have
been restored at the end of his sentence. This restriction also applies to
Federal licenses of all kinds, not just radio licenses. (The FCC doesn't
normally check for this sort of encumberance, but if they find out, they
will revoke the license.)

Your friend may petition to have his rights restored, for state felonies
this petition often goes to the governor's office, for Federal felonies,
a private bill in Congress is required. These are usually rather routine
matters unless the felon is notorious. Your friend's lawyer should have
advised him on this process, and may indeed have already done the necessary
filings. If so, your friend has had the vote restored to him (the most
visible encumberance), and may confidently obtain a Federal license.
If your friend can not vote, then his rights are still encumbered, and
he will be running a risk if he applies for a Federal license. If he's
still on parole, this may also be a parole violation, and might land
him back in the slammer.

Disclaimer: I am not an attorney. This advice is worth only the
photons it produces on your screen. Consult a lawyer for a definitive
legal opinion.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
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Subject: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Gary Coffman" writes:

 > The FCC does not ask on its application about criminal records. However,
 > amateur licenses are normally available only to citizens or aliens legally
 > in this country. A felon has his citizenship rights restricted, IE he's
 > inelegible to vote, hold office, own firearms, etc, unless his rights have
 > been restored at the end of his sentence. This restriction also applies to
 > Federal licenses of all kinds, not just radio licenses. (The FCC doesn't
 > normally check for this sort of encumberance, but if they find out, they
 > will revoke the license.)

Where do you get this stuff from, Gary?  Immature citizens have the exact
same restrictions on voting, holding office and owning firearms.  Do they
also fall victim to your ideas on FCC licensing?  Maybe whatever was in
your "etc" would have made your point better.

Your proposition that FCC amateur licenses are "normally available" only
to legal residents flies in the face of the regulations and of the facts.
U.S. amateur radio licenses are wholly available to forign visitors and
indeed, through V.E. sessions abroad, also to forign non-visitors. The
sole exception in the regulations is that of representatives of foreign
coutries, whetever they are.  (Diplomats and spies, I guess?).

The FCC does have the power to suspend and revoke licenses but I know of
no right to refuse one's issue.  And I would suggest that their sole valid
ground for revoking or suspending a license would be a history of conduct
which gives an FCC adminstrative judge good cause to suspect that the
license will be misused under its terms.  I think your average convicted
drug-dealing homicidal bigamous tax evader can happily enjoy his dx along
with the rest of us.  Wire fraudsters and computer hackers need not apply.

--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email:  [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Shilkoff)
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Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
Coffman) writes:

>The FCC does not ask on its application about criminal records.
However,
>amateur licenses are normally available only to citizens or aliens
legally
>in this country. A felon has his citizenship rights restricted, IE
he's
>inelegible to vote, hold office, own firearms, etc, unless his rights
have
>been restored at the end of his sentence. This restriction also
applies to
>Federal licenses of all kinds, not just radio licenses. (The FCC
doesn't
>normally check for this sort of encumberance, but if they find out,
they
>will revoke the license.)
>
>Your friend may petition to have his rights restored, for state
felonies
>this petition often goes to the governor's office, for Federal
felonies,
>a private bill in Congress is required. These are usually rather
routine
>matters unless the felon is notorious. Your friend's lawyer should
have
>advised him on this process, and may indeed have already done the
necessary
>filings. If so, your friend has had the vote restored to him (the most
>visible encumberance), and may confidently obtain a Federal license.
>If your friend can not vote, then his rights are still encumbered, and
>he will be running a risk if he applies for a Federal license. If he's
>still on parole, this may also be a parole violation, and might land
>him back in the slammer.

Hacker and convicted felon (two times) Kevin Mitnick is still N6NHG.

Larry



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From: [e-mail]
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold") writes:
>
>The FCC does have the power to suspend and revoke licenses but I know of
>no right to refuse one's issue.  And I would suggest that their sole valid
>ground for revoking or suspending a license would be a history of conduct
>which gives an FCC adminstrative judge good cause to suspect that the
>license will be misused under its terms.  I think your average convicted
>drug-dealing homicidal bigamous tax evader can happily enjoy his dx along
>with the rest of us.  Wire fraudsters and computer hackers need not apply.
>

Tony,

The Commission may refuse to license, or revoke the license, of any person
for any valid reason.  One of those reasonss is "character unfit to hold a
Commission license."

While the Commission designated the renewal of a license for a commercial
broadcast station for hearing based on the convictions of its owner for drug
trafficing, I doubt that the Commission would have a problem with a low
level drug offender who has "been rehabilitated."  On the other hand, if this
individual's conviction was for drug trafficing I would check with Commission
staff (or better yet, contact the ARRL and see if their liason would check
with Commission staff) before taking the exams.

       ... Joe Subich, AD8I
          ([e-mail])





From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:04 1995
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Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Date: 12 Jul 1995 00:13:56 GMT
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In <3tugsf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Larry Shilkoff) writes:
>
>Hacker and convicted felon (two times) Kevin Mitnick is still N6NHG.
>

That may be true today.  However, I expect that the Commission will designate
Mitnick's license for hearing if/when he trys to renew ... that's the Commission's
normal procedure unless the individual is found guilty of an offense directly
under the Commission's jurisdiction.

         ... Joe Subich, AD8I
            ([e-mail])




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:06 1995
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I am usually against the posting of private e-mail, but this is a case
where I would like to bring forward this issue and get an answer once and
for all.  First of all, I am pleased that so many people (hams and
non-hams) responded with such support and encouragement regarding my
question about x-felons getting a ham license.  Several people wrote in
saying that there are *no* questions about felonies or convictions on the
FCC application.  One person said there used to be but currently there
are no such questions on the application or exam.

Well, then I get the following e-mail in my box and I am confused.  This
individual obviously "has it in" for x-felons and that is his right.
However, I thought his message was rude and inappropriate, particularly
coming from a ham.  I wonder if he was blowing off steam and just trying
to discourage, or if he was right in saying that the application DOES ask
if you've been convicted.  I would really like to know the truth.  That's
all: I just want a yes or no, please no flames.

The ">>" are quotes from my original post and the ">" are KB0OXD's
responses to the original post:

>> I have a friend who would like to take the Tech/Novice exams for his
>> amateur radio license.  He had some trouble in his life about 4 years ago
>> and was convicted of several serious felonies (none involving radio or
>> communications) related to his drug addiction.  Today he is clean and
>> sober, and has changed his life around and is married and has a life.
>> My question is: can he get his ham license or will the FCC deny him

> ANY PERSON convicted of ANY felony crimes CANNOT get an amateur radio
> license.  The FCC will deny him this faster than you can blink your eyes.

>> When you go to take the test, do they ask if you've ever
>> been convicted of a felony?  DO you have to give specifics?

> The last time I looked at a 610 form, it DOES ask if you've ever been
> convicted of any felonies, and you MUST answer that question truthfully,
> completely, and honestly.

>> I think he is too embarassed to give the specifics here in our small
>> community, but he really wants his ham license.  Please, all suggestions
>> and comments are welcome.  Thanks.

> The best suggestion ANYBODY can make is for him to forget becoming a ham
> radio operator.  He will not be welcome into the service.  He has made
> his choices, and now he has to live with them.  Besides, if the FCC
> granted HIM a license, then they would have to grant EVERY killer,
> rapist, child molester, and drug dealer in America one EACH!

> As far as I'm concerned, he can put his wish where I'm not allowed to say
> on here!
> DE  KB0OXD
> [e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Dolkas)
Subject: Re: CB AM/FM radio antenna box = Random wire antenna tuner?
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I've got one of those (from JC Whitney).  It works OK, but not the sort of
gizmo you'd want to use for working 11 meter DX.  If you can see'em, you can
work'em.

I opened the box up.  It consists of a pair of LC traps.  One is a parallel
circuit which isolates the AM/FM from the CB.  The other is a series circuit
which tunes the CB to the antenna.  Both circuits use a variable capacitor
for the tuning, and depending on which antenna I used (long story) it did or
did not have sufficient range to tune for <2:1 SWR.

They probably wouldn't work for ham use, but then again, you could build
one yourself for less cost, that would.

Greg  KO6TH


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Gutman)
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Subject: Club in Berkeley??
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 22:49:56 -0800
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Is there a Ham Radio club or organization in Berkeley, CA that teaches Ham
Radio basics and prepares people for licensing?

Thanks in advance,
Alan
[e-mail]

--
Alan Gutman
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Hamilton)
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Subject: Re: Club in Berkeley??
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[e-mail] (Alan Gutman) wrote:

>Is there a Ham Radio club or organization in Berkeley, CA that teaches Ham
>Radio basics and prepares people for licensing?

Try the bulletin board at Ham Radio Outlet in Oakland (next to West
Marine).


--------------------------------------------------------
Jack Hamilton   [e-mail]  Sacramento, California  USA
kd6ttl    1992 BMW K75RTA     co-moderator, sci.med.aids
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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Hamilton)
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Subject: Code boot camp?
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 1995 20:49:45 GMT
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Is there such a thing as a code boot camp, where I could go for a few
days and just have it drilled into me?


--------------------------------------------------------
Jack Hamilton   [e-mail]  Sacramento, California  USA
kd6ttl    1992 BMW K75RTA     co-moderator, sci.med.aids
PGP Fingerprint: B90D 0207 6A05 ADAF 12C1 ECF4 7C4A 39E1



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
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Subject: Re: Code boot camp?
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In article <3tq7vv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jack Hamilton) writes:
> Is there such a thing as a code boot camp, where I could go for a few
> days and just have it drilled into me?

Lock yourself in your shack with food and drink and copy, copy, copy...
<grin>

Ken

__________________________________________________________________________
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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Cantrell)
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Subject: Re: Code boot camp?
Date: 10 Jul 1995 17:36:02 GMT
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You might try Gordon West out here in the LA area. He runs weekend classes
that will get the code into you. He also has the theory part.

He took me from "Terminal Tech" to General in one weekend. It was just
the 13 wpm, but it worked. You need about 8 wpm to go for the General, but
if all you want is 5 wpm, I am sure you could start from scratch.

Look up his phone or address in one of his books.

I have no connection with Gordo other than being a satisfied customer!

Yours,
cantrell wa2vxu


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:11 1995
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I have a collins 75s-3 receiver.  It has crystals for the older ham bands.
If I select one of the higher ham bands (14.X, 21.X etc), and I peak the
pre-selector at approx 7MHZ (rather than peaking it at the real freq range for
that band), I can pick up lots of shortwave broadcast signals...My question is:

Is it possible to come up with a formula so I can tell what frequency I am
listening to?  (based on band setting, preselector setting and tuning knob)?

Thanks much...
-boB


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Ellington)
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I have a microphone that looks exactly like a D104. It has the squeeze
switch. In the bottom is an amplifier which run on a 9 volt battery.
On the back of the microphone is an eagle. It's all chrome. No markings
of any kind. This obviously must be an Astatic look alike but has anyone
any idea who made it?
--
  Steve
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:13 1995
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Steve Ellington) writes:
>I have a microphone that looks exactly like a D104. It has the squeeze
>switch. In the bottom is an amplifier which run on a 9 volt battery.
>On the back of the microphone is an eagle. It's all chrome. No markings
>of any kind. This obviously must be an Astatic look alike but has anyone
>any idea who made it?
>--
>  Steve
>[e-mail]
>

What you have is an Astatic Silver Eagle Mic.  Very popular in the CB SSB
operators in the mid 70's.  The average Hamfest  price can range from $30-55
depending on the condition.  There should be a tag on top of the mic stating it
is a silver eagle.  If that is missing the value drops a bit.  They are quite
sensitive and I have been using one on SSB.  (Picked it up at an estate sale
for $15!)  The problem is they pickup almost any noise in the background.  If
you use it you will have to turn off the 2 meter rig in the background or you
will find it was re-transmitted.
                Hope this explains the Silver Eagle,

                                73, Mike KB9KFE




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jay Miller)
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    The 1995 Duke City Hamfest will be held at the NM National Guard
Armory, 600 Wyoming Blvd. NE, Albuquerque, NM on August 26, 1995. The
Armory is approximately .75 mile south of the intersection of
Interstate 40 & Wyoming Blvd. Talk-in on the 147.15 MHz repeater (no
pl, open, +600 KHz Tx). Pre-paid set up is after 6 PM MDT, August 25,
1995 (Friday). Doors open to the Public @ 7 AM MDT, on August 26
(Saturday). Free admission. Indoor tables are $10.00/each, prior to
August 21, 1995. Free tailgate, on a first come, first served basis, in
the west side parking lot of the Armory. There is no overnight camping
or parking allowed, at the Armory.
   All indoor table reservations must be accompanied by a check
($10.00/table, a mix of 6 & 8 feet in length). The ARRL Forum will be
presented by KA1CV, Ed Hare. His talk will be on Electronic
Troubleshooting, or as we like to say in the Southwest, "Shooting the
Trouble, with Electronics"  ;)
   SASE for a flyer to the Duke City Hamfest, P.O. Box 6552,
Albuquerque, New Mexico 87197-6552 (Same place to send the indoor table
reservations too).
   WA6ITF will be making his annual "fill me with green chili" trip to
Albuquerque.
   VE Exams are by pre-registration only (limited to 50 People).
Contact Bob Witter, AA5MK @ 505-292-3218, to pre-register.
   By voice, information only, 505-821-2771, Ray & Robbie Hill, via the
internet: [e-mail] .
   Hint: Since this is the peak of the Tourist Season, there are very
few vacancies, therefore, we are not allowed a group discount, on
Hotels/Motels.

                                  73...Jay


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:16 1995
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In article <3tjj70$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> [e-mail] (Richard McAllister) wrote:
> >Has the vanity call sign program started?  I'm kind of surprised to
> >see a obvious newcomer with a 1x3 callsign.  Anyway, in the
> >tradition of ham radio, let's help the newcomer out:
>
> I was licensed in 1959.
>
>
A pity

>
> >Sometimes even experienced operators will manage to do a "bonehead"
> >mistake like forgetting to set the CTCSS tone, or getting the offset
> >wrong.  This will probably happen to you someday, Burt; don't feel
> >bad.  When it does happen, having the other station say "nothing heard"
> >will let you know that you didn't hit the repeater.
>
> Everyone can at least tell if they keyed up the repeater. No one is that
> stupid.
>

Exactly how can "Everyone tell they keyed up a repeater ?  Not all have
squelch tails or courtesy tones.


>
> >
> >Keep at it Burt! There's a lot to learn in this hobby, in a few years
> >you'll be as knowledgable as many who have been in the hobby for
> >decades.
>
>



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:16 1995
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Curtis Wheeler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: My favorite is, "[insert call here] mobile and monitoring".
: Not a serious case of bad form or anything - but indicates some
: operators don't know why they are saying something.

HUH???  In this corner of the world, giving your call and saying you are
monitoring is fully acceptable use on repeaters that frown on guys
saying "CQ this is WB8ZJL."

73 =paul= wb8zjl


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:17 1995
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Curtis Wheeler ([e-mail]) wrote:

: My point should have have been clear here, but I wanted to see if
: any one would get it on their own.  What I find wrong with the
: ..mobile and monitoring" call is the use of the word "AND".  It is
: reaaly not a big deal, but it makes it sound as if the operator is
: telling you what he is doing....

Oh, I understand.  You are right, the custom here is to say, "This is
WB8ZJL, mobile, listening (or monitoring)."

: "Mobile" in my book means I am a mobile station as opposed to a
: permanant or portable station.  If I am walking down the street
: talking on my hand held, I am a "mobile".  I consider "mobile"
: to be part of my call sign, not an announcement that I am driving
: a car.

Your book is pretty recent :-)  Wasn't all that long ago we not ONLY had
to identify as being mobile, but ALSO what call district we were in.
Old habits die hard (witness the use of "The personal here is..." on 2M
FM) and I will occasionally ID as WB8ZJL mobile eight.  Drive the new
guys NUTS!

:-)  73! =paul= wb8zjl



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>You insist do you?
>How do you enforce it?
>The hams I know could not find a 50 kw transmitter if it were in
>their yard and keyed for hours.
>
  Yea Burt.  You see they are playing on our toys,  Everyone is welcome to
use the repeater if they follow the rules,  the autopatch is even open
to all.  All of my friends have the codes to turn on the repeater.
They also turn it off as I do on people who don't follow the rules.
If we want to use it we just turn it back on.. Doesn't cause us any problem
at all We only have problems with repeaters because owner/ trustees
don't follow FCC rules and regulations.  People forget that they are
using our station licence along with their own.  I'm sure that you have
noticed that some repeaters run rampid with violations while other's
 are very calm.  The only reason is enforcement...   cheers


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Richard Harrison) wrote:

>
>Stupid ham banter like that really irks me.  Strange but fun hobby isn't it !
>
We be mo-byling down the superslab here. We gotta jump out here for a few and
go QRT. We be almost destinated. This is Kilo Alpha One Julliet Yankee for
ID... QSL?   over...

After 17 years of listening to this crud i threw my two meter rig in the
river.... gees... Next to 'ham-speak' the next worst thing is the butt
cleavage displays at special event shows.

ain't ham radio grand?!

-be


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Pointing out the shortcomings of others is a classic way of elevating ones'
own sense of self-importancs.
QSL?
Ease off on the caffeine, Brian.
-Vester (N8EKA)


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: >Sometimes even experienced operators will manage to do a "bonehead"
: >mistake like forgetting to set the CTCSS tone, or getting the offset
: >wrong.  This will probably happen to you someday, Burt; don't feel
: >bad.  When it does happen, having the other station say "nothing heard"
: >will let you know that you didn't hit the repeater.

: Everyone can at least tell if they keyed up the repeater. No one is that
: stupid.

Nope, but some of us are deaf.  Like me.  Seriously.  I rely on others to
tell me what is said back.

73 de Bill, KC7JSD


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From: [e-mail] (Howard Lester)
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In article <3tn7ea$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill Newkirk) writes:
>
>Great, Old Man! You're 59 here. Please repeat your last...Over.
>
>it's possible to be 59 and the other station still need to repeat some tidbit.

And it's possible that he's 59 there, but his wife might think he acts
as if he's about 12....

Howard Lester KE7QJ



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Knowing that the previous user has 'cleared' may be helpful to the person
waiting to make a transmission, but holding off out of courtesy.

On 6 Jul 1995, Milt Forsberg wrote:

>
> I hear this frequently on repeaters with no tone required.  I feel like going
> back to them and thanking them since I thought my receiver was out since I
> didn't hear anything either!  I really look at all the extra comments as more
> clutter we don't need on the repeater.  You call a station, it doesn't answer,
> go on to whatever you want to do next.  It is somewhat obvious that you did
> not get an answer - no need to announce it to the world.  You don't need to
> come back and say "clear" either.  What are you clear from?  You didn't make
> a contact.  Anyone has the right to access the repeater - you don't hold
> exclusive rights to it forever if you don't say "clear".
>
>                                       K9QZI, Milt
>
>
> [e-mail] (Richard McAllister) writes:
>
> >>On repeaters I hear a station call another but when there is no reply,
> >>the calling station comes back and says "nothing heard." Does the caller
> >>think we are all deaf and feels a requirement to state the obvious?
>
> >Sometimes even experienced operators will manage to do a "bonehead"
> >mistake like forgetting to set the CTCSS tone, or getting the offset
> >wrong.  This will probably happen to you someday, Burt; don't feel
> >bad.  When it does happen, having the other station say "nothing heard"
> >will let you know that you didn't hit the repeater.
>
>
>


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In <[e-mail]> "Edwin J.
Bailen" <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Knowing that the previous user has 'cleared' may be helpful to the
person
>waiting to make a transmission, but holding off out of courtesy.
>
>On 6 Jul 1995, Milt Forsberg wrote:
>
>>
>> I hear this frequently on repeaters with no tone required.  I feel
like going
>> back to them and thanking them since I thought my receiver was out
since I
>> didn't hear anything either!  I really look at all the extra
comments as more
>> clutter we don't need on the repeater.  You call a station, it
doesn't answer,
>> go on to whatever you want to do next.  It is somewhat obvious that
you did
>> not get an answer - no need to announce it to the world.  You don't
need to
>> come back and say "clear" either.  What are you clear from?  You
didn't make
>> a contact.  Anyone has the right to access the repeater - you don't
hold
>> exclusive rights to it forever if you don't say "clear".
>>
>>                                      K9QZI, Milt
>>
>>
>> [e-mail] (Richard McAllister) writes:
>>
>> >>On repeaters I hear a station call another but when there is no
reply,
>> >>the calling station comes back and says "nothing heard." Does the
caller
>> >>think we are all deaf and feels a requirement to state the
obvious?
>>
>> >Sometimes even experienced operators will manage to do a "bonehead"
>> >mistake like forgetting to set the CTCSS tone, or getting the
offset
>> >wrong.  This will probably happen to you someday, Burt; don't feel
>> >bad.  When it does happen, having the other station say "nothing
heard"
>> >will let you know that you didn't hit the repeater.
>>
>>
>>
I guess I am missing something, but in the dark recesses of my mind I
seem to remember a rule concerning signing at the end of your
transmission, I guess if you call someone and give your sign it could
be assumed that was the end of your transmissions.

Of course I could take this the otherway and say this is a carryover
from the CB'ers who always had cute ways of claiming they didn't make a
contact.

I also think it is just a good practice.  If I hear someone I enjoy
speaking to, and they call another call, who doesn't answer, I often
times will call them after a minute or two, provided they do not say
they are clear after not making a contact.  If they say they are clear
I don't take up the airwave calling.

I don't consider this near as offensive as Hams who insist on using CW
shortcuts on voice.  What is your QTH, why not say Where are you
located.  I always felt this was just a way for the OT to make the
novices feel uncomfortable, or for the Novices to show how smart they
are, in both cases wrong.  The 'Q' abbreviations are for CW.  What is
my signal like makes a lot more sense than asking for your RST on SSB,
how does that tone sound anyway.

I can't believe I am acutally responding to this thread, must be really
bored today.

Glenn Sparks  KI5GY


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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
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Walter L. Zorn ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Well . . . {confession time} . . . I've done that.  Why?  I use to
: present myself with, "KF0OS listening."  Just so someone could call me if
: needed when on a quiet system.  Well, one day when on vacation, I got
: a reply, "KF0OS this is [insert call here].  I'm at the scene of a three
: car wreck . . . {lots of information that I was unable to copy going around
: curves with no place to pull off the road and nothing handy to write on or
: with in the dark} . . . on I-70 West of . . . well I'm not sure; but, the
: last mile marker I remember was 235 . . . this is west bound . . . {still
: looking for a place to stop} . . . in addition to the need for ambulances,
: the rock slide debris ruptured at least one gas tank and there's fuel all
: over the . . . {geez, I can't even find my pen to write this guys call
: with, let alone the critical information} . . . please landline the State
: Police."

<Interesting story snipped>

Walter, you probably did this, but just in case, couldn't you just keep
looking and as soon as the other guy stopped, inform him that you were
mobile and looking for a place to pull off the road so that you could try
to pass his info on or copy it down?  A calm response might even get him
to relax now that he knows he has someone on the other end, and you could
also specify that he needs to stay on the frequency so that you could
maintain contact.  Tell him you missed his call when he called you, and
would he please repeat just the call?  Then put out a call yourself on the
same frequency asking if anyone else was available to better handle this
emergency traffic immediately.  And request that they respond directly to
the person initiating the emergency traffic.  Wouldn't that help in a
situation like that?  Seems that would let you both know that there was
someone else more able to respond with help immediately or not.  Basically,
take charge of the emergency but be ready to hand it off to someone better
positioned.  It sounds like the original caller, KF0OS, was a little frantic
from all the adrenalin and would have liked you to take control.

I'm really interested in this as I'm part of our local RACES group, so the
more I can learn from actual emergencies, the better I hope to be prepared.

As to me, I guess I don't really see the difference between "[call] mobile
and listening" and "[call] mobile. listening."  Seems like both indicate
a mobile unit, whether in car or on foot, and that that person is just
listenning.  I'd also consider mobile appropriate when parked in the car,
as you can just turn the key and go.

I confess I'm new, as you can tell from my call, only 3 months, but I don't
see how there's any real confusion, just a matter of arguing about syntax
that results in the same effect.

Respectfully & 73 de Bill, KC7JSD


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Becker)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Email not protected
Date: 10 Jul 1995 14:15:25 GMT
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After all the comments from Roger and others about the propriety,
legality, etc. of posting private email in a public forum, there are a
few things some of us are apparantly forgetting.

If you send me a piece of First Class mail, it is MINE once I receive it.
I may do with it as I wish. Period. No matter how personal or private, it
is MINE, and if I wast to rent out the TImes Square lightboard and have
your letter displayed at rush hour, I can do that.

Unless certain personal communications fall under the protection of
ethics canons (ie. attorney-client, doctor-patient, clergy-parishioner,
etc.) there is NO protection under the law. None whatsoever. Unless you
copyright your letter to me, and clearly indicate so, you're out of luck.

Bad form to republish - maybe. That's my problem, and yours. It's NOT the
problem of EVERYONE else who gets mail through the Post Office.

Get the point?

Greg Becker NA2N
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Email not protected
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:10:12 GMT
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[e-mail] (Greg Becker) wrote:

>Unless you
>copyright your letter to me, and clearly indicate so, you're out of luck.

Under the Berne Convention, all works are copyrighted from the moment
they are created.  It is not necessary to explicitly claim copyright
in order to obtain it (although there are some benefits to doing so).


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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Becker)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Email not protected
Date: 10 Jul 1995 20:09:15 GMT
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>>Unless you
>>copyright your letter to me, and clearly indicate so, you're out of luck.
>
>Under the Berne Convention, all works are copyrighted from the moment
>they are created.  It is not necessary to explicitly claim copyright
>in order to obtain it (although there are some benefits to doing so).

Don't quote Berne out of context to prove your point, folks. To get the
restriction you are imposing, there are MANY other criteria which must be
met.

Greg Becker NA2N
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Email not protected
Date: 10 Jul 1995 22:13:57 GMT
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In article <3ts1db$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>>>Unless you
>>>copyright your letter to me, and clearly indicate so, you're out of luck.
>>
>>Under the Berne Convention, all works are copyrighted from the moment
>>they are created.  It is not necessary to explicitly claim copyright
>>in order to obtain it (although there are some benefits to doing so).
>
>Don't quote Berne out of context to prove your point, folks. To get the
>restriction you are imposing, there are MANY other criteria which must be
>met.
>

The point about not publicly posting private e-mail has nothing to do with
the law (at least not as far as I know) and everything to do with courtesy
and good practice.  My personal opinion is that it is appallingly bad form
to post a private e-mail message without the author's opinion.  I have read
comments in various internet guides that made this same point.

Someone else here on Usenet pointed out that the chap that did this did not
identify himself, but instead hid behind an anonymous identification.

BTW, FWIW, I have no opinion, none, about the convict issue, except to say
that if someone has done his or her time, then hopefully that's that, and
society doesn't hold a further grudge.

I don't, in any case.  :-)

--
Roger J. Buffington
USC Law, Class of '97
[e-mail]
AB6WR
Go Trojans!
WARPing with IBM OS/2 3.0 and PM-Mail
Scotty, beam me up...



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joel B Levin)
Subject: Re: Email not protected
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In <3ts1db$[e-mail]>,
   Greg Becker <[e-mail] (Greg Becker)> wrote:
|>>Unless you
|>>copyright your letter to me, and clearly indicate so, you're out of luck.
|>
|>Under the Berne Convention, all works are copyrighted from the moment
|>they are created.  It is not necessary to explicitly claim copyright
|>in order to obtain it (although there are some benefits to doing so).
|Don't quote Berne out of context to prove your point, folks. To get the
|restriction you are imposing, there are MANY other criteria which must be
|met.

This is older than Berne.  You may own the letter (and can sell it,
if it's a collector's item, etc.) but you can't publish it.  Why do
you think people who publish collections of letters have to go
around getting the permissions of the writers (or their estates)
before they can include them in the book?

Of course there's little or no case law on e-mail, and I still feel
free to post nasty or abusive mail someone might decide to send me.

        /J

--
Nets: [e-mail]  | Those who cavalierly reject the Theory of
  or [e-mail]| Evolution, as not adequately supported by facts,
pots: [phone]  | seem quite to forget that their own theory is
ARS:  KD1ON          | supported by no facts at all.       --H. Spencer






From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Becker)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Email not protected
Date: 11 Jul 1995 01:17:54 GMT
Organization: Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, New York  12504
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>This is older than Berne.  You may own the letter (and can sell it,
>if it's a collector's item, etc.) but you can't publish it.  Why do
>you think people who publish collections of letters have to go
>around getting the permissions of the writers (or their estates)
>before they can include them in the book?
>
>Of course there's little or no case law on e-mail, and I still feel
>free to post nasty or abusive mail someone might decide to send me.

The example you cite (as have many others) involves FOR PROFIT or FOR
COMPENSATION re-publication, not "random", non-remunerated distribution
with no intent to reap any reward. Apples and oranges, folks, apples and
oranges. Roger take note...

Greg Becker NA2N
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:35 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Email not protected
Date: 11 Jul 1995 15:34:53 GMT
Organization: USC Law
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In article <3tsjg2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
> Apples and oranges, folks, apples and
>oranges. Roger take note...

Like I said, for me it is a matter of courtesy, not a legal issue.  Please
don't try to drag me into the compensation stuff you guys are knocking
around.

--
Roger J. Buffington
1L, USC Law School
[e-mail]
AB6WR
Go Trojans!
WARPing with IBM OS/2 3.0 and PM-Mail
Scotty, beam me up...



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:37 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Feit)
Subject: Re: Email not protected
In-Reply-To: [e-mail]'s message of 10 Jul 1995 22: 13:57 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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On rec.radio.amateur.misc, [e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington) posts:
 >
 > The point about not publicly posting private e-mail has nothing to do with
 > the law (at least not as far as I know) and everything to do with courtesy
 > and good practice.  My personal opinion is that it is appallingly bad form
 > to post a private e-mail message without the author's opinion.  I have read
 > comments in various internet guides that made this same point.

Don't forget that bad form is simply bad form, and unless some of your
legal cohorts wind up with too much time on their hands, I hope it'll
stay that way.  (I happen to agree with you, by the way, but I except
anonymous mail.)

 > Someone else here on Usenet pointed out that the chap that did this did not
 > identify himself, but instead hid behind an anonymous identification.

And did a pretty lousy job of it at that.  From his "anonymous"
message:

 | The best suggestion ANYBODY can make is for him to forget becoming a ham
 | radio operator.
 |  ...
 | As far as I'm concerned, he can put his wish where I'm not allowed to say
 | on here!
 | DE  KB0OXD
 | [e-mail]

Going on the assumption that KB0OXD really wrote that message, a quick
look at the callsign server followed by a run through Four-11 provided
plenty of information.  Just don't sign the guest book on his home
page.  :-)

                                                - Mark

 ................................... ...................................
: Mark A. Feit, KR4FH  [e-mail] :  Engineering Research Associates  :
: Software Engineer and Systems Guy :  Advanced Communications Division :
 ................................... ...................................
  "Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who
  can't talk for people who can't read."  -- Frank Zappa, 1940-1993


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Email not protected
Date: 11 Jul 1995 22:01:12 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>

>
>Don't forget that bad form is simply bad form, and unless some of your
>legal cohorts wind up with too much time on their hands, I hope it'll
>stay that way.  (I happen to agree with you, by the way, but I except
>anonymous mail.)

No argument.  If some weenie wants to post e-mail to the net, to the best of
my knowledge there is no way to stop him, and I'd be the last one to try.

Such things, just like good operating practice on the bands, are best left
to peer pressure.  Which, by the way, is what I was trying to exert when I
posted my message condemning the practice.

--
Roger J. Buffington
USC Law, Class of '97
[e-mail]
AB6WR
Go Trojans!
WARPing with IBM OS/2 3.0 and PM-Mail
Scotty, beam me up...



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:39 1995
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From: Greg Pool <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Emergency communicating on repeaters
Date: 11 Jul 1995 05:43:20 GMT
Organization: Redshift Online Service
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[e-mail] (Joel B Levin) wrote:
>
> When it's on emergency power, our local repeater's owner usually
> switches off the squelch tail - cuts it to 0 seconds (it's usually
> on 15-20 seconds, another story).  It's pretty hard to tell if
> you've keyed up the repeater if there's no tail.
>

We did that with our last two incidents, in January and March, with
respect to the floods in California.  It made for very efficient
communications, but it did catch a few people off guard that didn't
know if they were getting through.  But that's what a net control is
for.

What really gets people, though, is decode.  We have to have it on
because of local use of the repeater pair from up north.  Whenever
I turn off the repeater during an ARES net, just to see who comes
up on the output frequency to continue the net, I will invariably
get a few that never knew what hit because we everyone came up
on simplex and no PL.  Nothing to decode, nothing to hear!

Good thread, Joel.  Got any more, anybody?

Greg Pool WH6DT
ARES EC, Monterey, California


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:40 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Emergency communicating on repeaters
Date: 11 Jul 1995 19:10:18 GMT
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Greg Pool <[e-mail]> wrote:
[stuff deleted]
>
> What really gets people, though, is decode.  We have to have it on
> because of local use of the repeater pair from up north.  Whenever
> I turn off the repeater during an ARES net, just to see who comes
> up on the output frequency to continue the net, I will invariably
> get a few that never knew what hit because we everyone came up
> on simplex and no PL.  Nothing to decode, nothing to hear!

This is the reason that I have resisted requests by users to have our
repeaters transmit PL.  Those using PL decode eventually get lazy and
don't MONITOR the frequency before transmitting.

We use PL decode on our PLMR equipment.  But a mobile automatically
goes into carrier squelch (monitor) when the mic is removed from the
mic clip.  Portables use "tx inhibit on busy channel" to prevent a user
from keying up on traffic using a different PL or operating simplex.
It more or less forces people to monitor.

Curtis Wheeler   San Ramon, CA
KD6ELA / GROL / Pvt. Pilot


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:42 1995
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From: "Walter L. Zorn" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Emergency Traffic (Was: Dumb and dumber)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 95 14:48:31 EDT
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On 8 Jul 1995 02:45:48 GMT,
Curtis Wheeler  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Walt:  You have experienced what I consider a classic problem with ham
>operators, they don't know how to request help by radio during an
>emergency.  They don't know when to shut up and listen.  What they
>end up doing is wasting their breath telling you everything when
>you can't help at the moment.
>
>I hear this on autopatch calls to "911" (or whatever) dispatchers
>all the time.  The dispatcher answers (maybe in another county) and
>ham proceeds to spill out a big speech about who he is, he's on an
>amateur radio patch, there's been a big wreck, where it is, all of
>landmarks, send an ambulance, what lane he's in, etc., etc.  Only to
>find out that the dispatcher needs to transfer him to another agency -
>where he will start the whole speech over again when the next person
>answers.
>
>I wrote an article for a club newsletter on this subject once and
>got a lot of positive response from members that thought it made
>sense.  The guidelines I spelled out were primarily for emergency
>autopatch calls but can be applied to any radio call for help.
>
>When a dispatcher (or whoever) answers the phone make sure you have
>ESTABLISHED two way communication with the before you give any other
>information.  Something like, "Sir.  I am calling on a radio patch.
>Can you hear me clearly?  Over."  And get a grip on yourself - it seems
>like people's voices go up one octave and 6 dB when they make a real
>emergency call - then they might start "talking off" the repeater.
>
>Once you have established two way communications, tell them what you
>need to report BRIEFLY.  "There has been a car accident in East
>Bunganuts.  Over."  Then let them ask you questions and give them
>brief, to the point answers.  They know what to ask.
>
>The same type of guidelines would apply if you are calling another
>station.  Call them first and get an acknowledgment that they can
>at least hear you.  Tell them you have an emergency and ask if they
>can contact the proper authorities.  Then tell them the basic scenerio
>without going into a bunch of little details.

Curtis, et. al. -

I echo your advise - almost to the letter.  I would add the main reason
that it's best to be queried for the information is: the 911, or emergency
operator, is generally filling out a computer screen or some log; so, the
order of information is important to faciliate rapid logging - and, of
course, emergency deployment.

In conflict, I would say that the only time anyone "spills their guts"
is when they're likely to die and time is very critical.  ie., your
airplane just lost it's only engine and there's about two minutes left
until a forced ditch.  Then, it's time to spill all: id, location, parties
on board, heading, and intentions.  But, this is not generally (if ever)
done to 911 or on the ham bands at all.

Curtis, we'll have to meet sometime!
Walt



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Ex-felon licensee // Amateur Radio Newsline #934  07 Jul 95
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>NEWSLINE RADIO - CBBS EDITION #934 - POSTED 07/07/95
> rules, the F.C.C. believes that it has the right to deny any
> citizen a license if they believe he or she has shown disregard
> for any law.

This might answer the question as to whether an ex-felon can earn
an amateur radio license. It depends. Upon what? Probably upon
how severe the felony, whether he's still on probation, his
past criminal record, and who knows what else.

I doubt that Charles Manson (if he ever gets paroled) would be given
a license. Besides, who'd want to have a QSO with him?

Ex-felon - it sounds like an oxymoron!

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Charlie Trentacosti)
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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Casey Romanski (@s914))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FT-51R .RDF Files
Date: 10 Jul 1995 16:08:42 GMT
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Anyone interested in swapping .rdf file for the Yaesu FT-51r/11r ? For those not
familiar, these are the frequency/program (template) files that can be uploaded/downloaded via rs-232. If there is enough interest perhaps we can start an

Thanks,
Casey Romanski
([e-mail])




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Meaker)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FT-51R .RDF Files
Date: 10 Jul 1995 18:33:37 GMT
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Casey Romanski (@s914) ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Anyone interested in swapping .rdf file for the Yaesu FT-51r/11r ? For those not
: familiar, these are the frequency/program (template) files that can be uploaded/downloaded via rs-232. If there is enough interest perhaps we can start

   You don't say what part of the world you are from, but I would be
interested in sharing frequency information also.  To make this idea
useful, I think that we need to place the .RDF files in an FTP site
somewhere so that you can search for the correct file for an area.

   Who maintains an appropriate FTP site where this archive could be kept?

   For anyone interested in an .RDF file for the Yaesu FT-51 for Austin, TX
you can e-mail me at this address.



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Reed)
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Subject: FT690(R2) info pse
Date: 10 Jul 1995 13:42:48 GMT
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Hi - wonder if anyone has any experience of the FT690 6m rig?

In particular, what you think of the receiver
               what modes are covered (SSB, CW and FM???)
               believe it is 3W output???
               approxamate size???

Any comments here or direct would be appreciated.


73...Peter, G4BVH

e-mail: [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:47 1995
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In article <3tkpv7$[e-mail]>, "Dennis A. Mason" <damason> writes:
>hey jeff, good to see you on the internet, your hambuddy.
>Dennis kd4gan
>ps: say hi to all in raleigh. also tell wa4snc to call me here in denver.
>73 kd4gan
>


Does your computer have a third party agreement?????

KB9KFE


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:48 1995
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[e-mail] wrote:

:>In article <3tkpv7$[e-mail]>, "Dennis A. Mason" <damason> writes:
:>>hey jeff, good to see you on the internet, your hambuddy.
:>>Dennis kd4gan
:>>ps: say hi to all in raleigh. also tell wa4snc to call me here in denver.
:>>73 kd4gan
:>>


:>Does your computer have a third party agreement?????

:>KB9KFE

I don't believe the US has a third party agreement with North Carolina...or
Colorado...*<8oD
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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:50 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Good rig for a NOVICE(about $1000.00) ?
Date: 11 Jul 1995 17:23:51 GMT
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[e-mail] (BUDDY10) writes:

>Recomendations for a new rig for a NOVICE operator ?   What can I expect
>for around that price($1000.00) ?
>

Scott,

(I assume you mean an HF rig:) If you are reasonably sure you'll stay
in the hobby, get the best radio you can.  Your enjoyment (and hence
likelihood to upgrade) will be much enhanced.  Personally, I like
having a transceiver with a general coverage (ca. 100 kHz - 30 MHz)
receiver; then you have an excellent SWL radio as well.
For ca. $1000.00 you should be able to get a very clean, used
Kenwood TS440 or Icom 735 (I think that's the number of Icom's
roughly equivalent rig), etc.  These are entry or mid-level
radios which are only about one generation old.

Amateur Equipment Supply (AES) lists some used gear in their
(otherwise) new equipment catalog (it's free), although it's likely to
be more expensive there.  Get a copy of Ham Trader or some other
newsletter that lists used equipment, or better yet, find out
if there is a swapnet in your area, or a hamfest coming up soon.

Take a veteran with you when you shop.  Few hams will try to rip
you off, but it is easy for a newbie to buy something that really
isn't the best thing for them.  Most hams love to "spend someone else's
money," so I think you'll find a volunteer!

73 es GL

Jud

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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:51 1995
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Subject: Ham gear so cheap your head will *SPIN*
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From: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 95 21:14:50 EST
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Hi, I have this stuff for sale.  I need to get rid of it.
All prices include shipping...

Timewave DSP-9 Latest version.  Great for HF work or SW listening.  They
sell brand new for $165.  Get this one (Like BRAND NEW) in box for $110
shipped.

Kantronics KPC-3 packet TNC about 7 months old with all the stuff
(Books, ect) shipped for $65!

MFJ/Bencher Keyer combo.  Great for saving desk space, also nice if just
starting out because the keyer will key lower than 5 WPM and has a built
in practice ocillator.  Why learn on that darn straight key when you
KNOW you're gonna get paddles eventualy anyway.  Put a 9v battery in it
(it fits inside, there is a bracket and a cable inside for it) and
practice ANYWHERE!!!  Why waste your lunchtime eating? Learn CW and
annoy your co-workers. $65 shipped.

If interested, e-mail me at [e-mail]

Tnx & 73
Bill
N3OGH


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ANDREY PIWOWARSKI)
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Subject: ham licence
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Can anybody help me get a HAM licence. I know there is a place in
laurel, but I live in Gaithersburg, and I don't have time to drive all
the way to Laurel. I've heard that there are some other ways to get HAM
licence. Also can anybody advise which repeater in the area of
rockville, Germantown, Gaithersburg or Potomac has an autopatch. I know
that I have to join the club to use it, but that's OK.
My close friend is N3KRV (that's if anyone knows him.)
Thanks for replies (IF ANY)


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:54 1995
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (ANDREY PIWOWARSKI) says:

>Can anybody help me get a HAM licence. I know there is a place in
>laurel, but I live in Gaithersburg, and I don't have time to drive all
>the way to Laurel. I've heard that there are some other ways to get HAM
>licence. Also can anybody advise which repeater in the area of
>rockville, Germantown, Gaithersburg or Potomac has an autopatch. I know
>that I have to join the club to use it, but that's OK.
>My close friend is N3KRV (that's if anyone knows him.)
>Thanks for replies (IF ANY)
>

        Your FRIEND, N3KRV will be more than willing to help you get
        your license.

                                                Steve Carlisle  VE7AHL


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
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Subject: Re: Hams Needed for Emergeny Communications at Equestrian Event
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Steve King ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Eric Hilding) wrote:

: >If you know of any ham radio operators available to assist in
: >providing emergency communications on July 22, 1995 in Santa Cruz (CA)
: >for the Santa Cruz County Horsemen's Association annual Fireworks
: >Fifty Endurance Ride, please have them contact me.

: Sure, I'll sign up!  Just send me more info, gas money, and
: accomodations and I'm on my way! :-)

For that, I'll sign up too!  Steve is in FLA, I'm closer, and therefore
cheaper, in ID.  :-)

73 de Bill, KC7JSD


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:56 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Hams Needed for Emergeny Communications at Equestrian Event
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In article <3tugb8$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bill Blohm) writes:
> Steve King ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : [e-mail] (Eric Hilding) wrote:
>
> : >If you know of any ham radio operators available to assist in
> : >providing emergency communications on July 22, 1995 in Santa Cruz (CA)
> : >for the Santa Cruz County Horsemen's Association annual Fireworks
> : >Fifty Endurance Ride, please have them contact me.
>
> : Sure, I'll sign up!  Just send me more info, gas money, and
> : accomodations and I'm on my way! :-)
>
> For that, I'll sign up too!  Steve is in FLA, I'm closer, and therefore
> cheaper, in ID.  :-)

Yea, I'm really glad that this local event was posted worldwide...  HAMs all
over the world might want to help out!

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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Chaloner)
Subject: hams on internet
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Could someone please tell me where I can find a 'Hams on Internet' list?

Thanks.

Mike G0UGR


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:12:58 1995
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From: "Alex Prikhodko" <[e-mail]>
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>>In article <[e-mail]> you write:
>>
>> Hello All !!
>> Who knows QSL managers: (??)

>etc. and end with that obnoxious beeping signature.  If it weren't for
>that signature I would have given you a hand and perhaps some pointers
>on how to obtain the info you want.

>                                                --Fuat
Yes, signature was too bright, but only for the first acquaintance!
I think, that nobody is hurt and I have already erased it!
Who wants to help - helps, and who don't....
 --------------------
 73 ! Best regards !
 Alex        UA9CR
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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:00 1995
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From: Tony Vella <[e-mail]>
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Subject: help...cw receptions
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I have a pc, windows 3.1, a Kenwood R-5000 and a Yaesu FRG-8800. I would
like to start logging cw transmissions but I don't know morse code. I was
recently told I could somehow connect one of the receivers to the pc and
when I catch morse on the cw I get to see the code converted to text on
the monitor. If this is true I would like to know what I would need to
buy and where from. Thanks.



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Hartarto Ciputra)
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Subject: Help: CMOS device identification
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Hi there,
I'm trying to fix a circuit board that contains the following chip,
hwever I couldn't find the data sheet for it. I hope soomebody on the
net might be able to help me.
The part number for it is: mc14541bcp
My guess is, this ais a cmos device, probably 4541, however, this device
doesn't exist in my data book (well, its not a very reliable databook).

Any help will be greatly apreciated.
Thanks,
H. Ciputra
[e-mail]  or  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:02 1995
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In article <3tqcca$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Hartarto Ciputra) writes:

>I'm trying to fix a circuit board that contains the following chip,
>hwever I couldn't find the data sheet for it. I hope soomebody on the
>net might be able to help me.
>The part number for it is: mc14541bcp
>My guess is, this ais a cmos device, probably 4541, however, this device
>doesn't exist in my data book (well, its not a very reliable databook).


Well... lets see, its in my Motorola  CMOS Logic Data, page 6-373.

MC14541B...  Programmable Oscillator/Timer... will work as frequency divider

Its also on page 356 of RCA CMOS Integrated Circuits databook....  CD4541B

73/Bob KA4BYP
http://www.mindspring.com/~bobm/


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Hans-jurgen Thees)
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Subject: HELP: QST Febr.93 - TS50 interface
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Hello everybody,

I'm looking for an article from QST'93 about how
to build a computer interface for the TS50 yourself.
Unfortunately the library down here has discontinued
receiving QST in 1992!
Anyone who could help me somehow please respond by
email. I'm not sure but possibly this article
is also in one of these nice ARRL-handbooks.

If you have bought the computer IF from Kenwood -
does it come with drawings / circuit plan?
I could use them, too. And of course any comments/
experiences welcome.


73, Hans          KE4ZEE

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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:04 1995
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In article <3tmo9c$[e-mail]>,
Hans-jurgen Thees <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Hello everybody,
>
>I'm looking for an article from QST'93 about how
>to build a computer interface for the TS50 yourself.
>Unfortunately the library down here has discontinued
>receiving QST in 1992!
>Anyone who could help me somehow please respond by
>email. I'm not sure but possibly this article
>is also in one of these nice ARRL-handbooks.
>


Hello!  I wrote the 2/93 QST article.  I also rewrote the Station Setup and Accessories
chapter in the 1995 ARRL Handbook and the interfaces are in there too.

I haven't dealt with a TS-50 yet, but I believe they are like the old 940, etc. in that
you have to buy something that goes inside the radio AND an interface like I wrote
about.  Sigh.


--
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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mary Johnson)
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I Bought a raido off someone who turrned out to be a big Jammer
and now i stuck with a raido that gets me thrown off of many repeaters
Could Someone Please Tell Me How I Can Change The
Imprint on the raido or FingerPrint it leaves when it first keys Up
And Please Post It On Here And  Not This Mail Box At I Don't Want
My Any one here reading it HiHi


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:06 1995
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In article <3tuk8g$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mary Johnson) writes:
> I Bought a raido off someone who turrned out to be a big Jammer
> and now i stuck with a raido that gets me thrown off of many repeaters
> Could Someone Please Tell Me How I Can Change The
> Imprint on the raido or FingerPrint it leaves when it first keys Up
> And Please Post It On Here And  Not This Mail Box At I Don't Want
> My Any one here reading it HiHi

Yea, right...  How about a call sign?  Why didn't you buy that from the
jammer too?  And by the way, it's spelled  R A D I O.

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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
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In article <3tuk8g$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Mary Johnson) wrote:
>I Bought a raido off someone who turrned out to be a big Jammer
>and now i stuck with a raido that gets me thrown off of many repeaters
>Could Someone Please Tell Me How I Can Change The
>Imprint on the raido or FingerPrint it leaves when it first keys Up
>And Please Post It On Here And  Not This Mail Box At I Don't Want
>My Any one here reading it HiHi

You won't get thrown off of repeaters if you use your radio courteously and
correctly.  If your story is true you could explain the situation.  The
repeater users would probably be glad that the "big Jammer" no longer has his
radio.  There are ways to change the "fingerprint" of a radio but based on the
non-credible tone of your post I don't think I want to tell you.

-Mike KD4QDM











From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jonathan Ho)
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Subject: How safe is a 900mhz cordless phone?
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 21:42:16 -0400
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Hi!  Forgive my ignorance, but I was concerned about the security on my
regular cordless phone and was told by someone that a 900mhz cordless
phone is not scanable.  Is this true?  Do any of you guys know if you can
pick-up conversations on a 900mhz cordless?  Thanks for all your help!


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:09 1995
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From: "James A. Storm" <[e-mail]>
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According to Consumer Reports it is virtually impossible to eavesdrop on
a 900 MHZ cordless phone.

                      73, Jim WB6LWS Pacifica, CA



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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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In article <3tt7tu$[e-mail]>,
James A. Storm <[e-mail]> wrote:
>According to Consumer Reports it is virtually impossible to eavesdrop on
>a 900 MHZ cordless phone.

My ATT9100 uses digital audio sent via WBFM.  Essentially impossible to
monitor.... unless you build a decode with a fairly common MC3418 and
attach it to your receiver....  listening on a conventional analog
NBFM receiver you don't hear anything.

--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are      *
 * [phone]               | mine and do not necessarily   *
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From: [e-mail] (Collier Chun)
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In article <3tt7tu$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>According to Consumer Reports it is virtually impossible to eavesdrop on
>a 900 MHZ cordless phone.

More accurately: it's virtually impossible to eavesdrop on a *digitally-encoded*
900 MHz phone.  If the manufacturers choose to make the 900 MHz transmissions
"in the open", or speech inverted, eavesdropping would be simple and
possible.









From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: How safe is a 900mhz cordless phone?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jonathan Ho) writes:
>Hi!  Forgive my ignorance, but I was concerned about the security on my
>regular cordless phone and was told by someone that a 900mhz cordless
>phone is not scanable.  Is this true?  Do any of you guys know if you can
>pick-up conversations on a 900mhz cordless?  Thanks for all your help!

Depends. There are two kinds of 900 MHz phones. The ordinary analog
phones can be scanned. The digital SS phones cannot (at least not
without additional equipment).

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:13 1995
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Subject: Re: How safe is a 900mhz cordless phone?
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From: [e-mail] (D. Larson)
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In article <3tu274$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Collier Chun) writes:
>In article <3tt7tu$[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail] says...
>>
>>According to Consumer Reports it is virtually impossible to eavesdrop on
>>a 900 MHZ cordless phone.

Not true

>More accurately: it's virtually impossible to eavesdrop on a *digitally-
>encoded* 900 MHz phone.  If the manufacturers choose to make the 900 MHz
>transmissions "in the open", or speech inverted, eavesdropping would be
>simple and possible.

Yes speech inversion is simple & very possible but I take exception
to the previous statement, "it's virtually impossible...*digitally-
encoded* 900 MHz phone."  Impossible?  The base portion of the phone
does it so doesn't it follow that some other properly configured
device could do the same?  I believe so but of course I don't speak
from experience on this one, that would violate the EPCA.

To answer the original question no it is not impossible. Different
900 MHz phones use different technologies.  Some can be heard by
a typical scanner, others can be heard but with more effort required
to do so and some are extremely difficult or just not figured out yet
but I would NOT say impossible.  The safest thing on any phone that
is not wired to a wall is to always assume that someone is listening.
Just don't bad-mouth the neighbors or give out vital info.

---Donald Larson---
---Laramie Wyoming---


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From: [e-mail] (Howard Burk)
Subject: Re: How safe is a 900mhz cordless phone?
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Dana Myers ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3tt7tu$[e-mail]>,
: James A. Storm <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >According to Consumer Reports it is virtually impossible to eavesdrop on
: >a 900 MHZ cordless phone.

: My ATT9100 uses digital audio sent via WBFM.  Essentially impossible to
: monitor.... unless you build a decode with a fairly common MC3418 and
: attach it to your receiver....  listening on a conventional analog
: NBFM receiver you don't hear anything.

Remember that it is only as safe as todays technology, tommorow when
I make my special wiget to decode then it will not be safe.

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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Theodore Morris)
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Subject: Re: How to _remove_ a ground rod?
Date: 8 Jul 1995 22:18:06 -0400
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Lesson learned from Field Day experience:  If you've got one of the old post-
type car bumper jacks, use it and a piece of heavy chain.  If you can't loop
the chain around your ground rod connection, use a heavy vice-grip pliers to
give you an anchor point (it's likely you can't get the hook of the jack
itself close enough to the ground clamp for it to hook directly.  Take your
time and run the garden hose down the hole a bit to loosen things up.

73 es GL,

Ted WB8VNV/3

--
Drexel Univ. Coll. of Info. Sci. & Technol.: [e-mail];
Univ. Cincinnati Med. Center Libs: [e-mail] | WB8VNV
Theodore A. Morris | Failure isn't the falling down, it's the not gettin up.


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: How to _remove_ a ground rod?
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In article <3t58j6$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James Messer) writes:
>I've had a ground rod installed in a location for about a year, and
>now I'm moving.  I'd like to take the ground rod with me (ten bucks is
>ten bucks, after all), but I'm not sure the easiest way to get this
>rod out of the ground!  Can anyone offer suggestions?

It's usually better to spend the $10 and buy a new rod rather than
trying to retrieve the old one. If it's well set, it's going to be
a bitch to remove, and if it's been there a while the copper plating
is probably corroded anyway. If you must try, use a Hi-Jacker, a
stout chain, and the wire clamp as a chain anchor. It won't come
easy, and you may need a sledge to rock it side to side a bit to
make it come at all. I've totally stalled the hydraulics of a 4020
John Deere trying to lift out an old rod. I normally just cut it
off below grade and leave it.

>I'll be installing the rod into a new location.  I got the first rod
>into the ground with brute force; can anyone give some ideas on what
>might be easier ways to get a ground rod into the earth?

Here I can help. The easiest way to set a rod is to dig a hole about
the size of a quart jar, a post hole digger is handy. Then pour the
hole about half full of water and start churning the rod up and down.
It will quickly start to sink into the ground. Add water as necessary
to keep the hole about half full. It should take less than 5 minutes
to sink the rod all the way. Now let it set undisturbed for a day or
so until all the water is absorbed and the mud has settled down the
hole around the rod. It should be really tight at this point, and
ready to be connected.

I've been setting rods this way for 30 years, after an older electrician
showed me how. It's lots easier than trying to dry drive a rod, and makes
a better connection to Earth to boot.

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Demetre Koymanakos)
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Subject: Re: How to _remove_ a ground rod?  It's out!
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: Thanks for all the responses to the question!  I've taken the darn
: thing out of the ground, using a pipe wrench, rope, and length of
: pipe.  I had a small wall next to the ground rod, so we tied the rope
: to the ground rod and the length of pipe, and used the wall as a
: fulcrum.

: One person pushed up on the pipe, and I twisted the ground rod out
: with the pipe wrench.  In all, it took about 30 minutes (a LONG thirty
: minutes, here in South Florida with 90+ degrees).

You saved 10 bucks, and you propably spent double that in liquids
just to avoid dehydration during your task...
You would have been better of living the darn thing burried :-)

73's



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:18 1995
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I hope this is the right place to discuss this and if not let me know I
will take it somewhere else. I feel it is two issues that should be
addressed. My name is Jim, and my call is WA4ZXA. I am an advance class
operator. I am getting ready to take my extra. One thing I will do
before I go before any VE team I will ask are there any no code extras
on the team. I mean someone who got there extra without taking the code.
I am not going to have someone give me a test on something that they
cannot do. I know there are people out there who truly deserve their
license in that manner but in this area it is getting to be a joke. I
don't consider high blood pressure a reason. I believe this should be a
rule in the VE program.

The other thing is on a local repeater the control operator has hooked up
a remote link setup. On this repeater a no code tech can bring up the
remote base and work anywhere in the advance portion, since the control
operator is only adavnce. I am talking anywhere on the HF bands. They
could work WAS, DXCC, and many other awards. If they do not tell the
station on the other end they are operating remote no one knows. I do not
feel that there should ever be a link between VHF and HF. Plus you now
have a no code tech operating in the bands most of us worked hard to get
to.

I know the FCC cannot do anything or won't and the ARRL (which I am a
member of) is to busy into ads to get into any issues, so maybe there
might be a way for the Hams to form a group. I mean a group that could
lobby and tackle issues without Kenwood, Yaesu, and Icom being involved.

These are only my opinions, but I feel they are issues that need to be
addressed. I am sorry if I put them in the wrong group and will move them
wherever they need to be if someone will tell me. Maybe a refractor
should be started to discuss these issues. Thank you for reading and I
will get off my soapbox.

73's Jim // WA4ZXA

<[e-mail]>



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jonathan Schulman)
Subject: Re: I AM AGAINST!!
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In <[e-mail]> Floydjr <[e-mail]> writes:
This should probably be in the policy newsgroup. The no code issue will
never go away it seems.

>I hope this is the right place to discuss this and if not let me know I
>will take it somewhere else. I feel it is two issues that should be
>addressed. My name is Jim, and my call is WA4ZXA. I am an advance class
>operator. I am getting ready to take my extra. One thing I will do
>before I go before any VE team I will ask are there any no code extras
>on the team. I mean someone who got there extra without taking the code.
>I am not going to have someone give me a test on something that they
>cannot do. I know there are people out there who truly deserve their
>license in that manner but in this area it is getting to be a joke. I
>don't consider high blood pressure a reason. I believe this should be a
>rule in the VE program.
When you say no code extra, do you mean Extras who never passed a code test,
or Extras who got the 20 wpm waiver? As you probably know, the 20 wpm waiver
still requires the 5 wpm exam. I agree, I wouldn't want to take an exam from
someone who did not pass the exam, not because they couldn't, but because
if a question about that part of the test pops up, they may not be able to
answer it. My code is lousy, and if I ever become a VE, I plan on only
administoring the written part. Why give a test if your lousy at it?

>The other thing is on a local repeater the control operator has hooked up
>a remote link setup. On this repeater a no code tech can bring up the
>remote base and work anywhere in the advance portion, since the control
>operator is only adavnce. I am talking anywhere on the HF bands. They
>could work WAS, DXCC, and many other awards. If they do not tell the
>station on the other end they are operating remote no one knows. I do not
>feel that there should ever be a link between VHF and HF. Plus you now
>have a no code tech operating in the bands most of us worked hard to get
>to.
Obviously that is illegal, however if they were stupid enough to submit
QSLs for an award they would be caught. If the ARRL was to ever run a
check on the callsign of the person submitting the cards, they would not only
not get the award, but would hopefully be punished (if the FCC did its job).

>I know the FCC cannot do anything or won't and the ARRL (which I am a
>member of) is to busy into ads to get into any issues, so maybe there
>might be a way for the Hams to form a group. I mean a group that could
>lobby and tackle issues without Kenwood, Yaesu, and Icom being involved.
Why would the manufactors be involeved? The FCC can do something if the
person is caught, they just don't do anything as they are cutting back in
personnel. ARRL doesn't have any legal power so the most they could do is to
turn them over to the FCC.

>These are only my opinions, but I feel they are issues that need to be
>addressed. I am sorry if I put them in the wrong group and will move them
>wherever they need to be if someone will tell me. Maybe a refractor
>should be started to discuss these issues. Thank you for reading and I
>will get off my soapbox.

The no code issue has been going on for sometime, and it will continue for
years to come.
--
Jonathan Schulman      University of Rochester
[e-mail]
73 de AA2XI -- formally KB2JNY



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner)
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In <[e-mail]> Floydjr <[e-mail]> writes:

>before I go before any VE team I will ask are there any no code extras
>on the team. I mean someone who got there extra without taking the code.

I don't understand this.  ALL extra class ops must take and pass a 20 wpm
code test.  If they cheated, I am with you, get their rear ends out of
radio.  But, hey, all the extras I know have taken the 20 wpm code test
and passed, even if they later didn't use it and forgot!

>The other thing is on a local repeater the control operator has hooked up
>a remote link setup. On this repeater a no code tech can bring up the
>remote base and work anywhere in the advance portion, since the control
>operator is only adavnce. I am talking anywhere on the HF bands. They

Well, if the control operator is actually in control of the remote, that
is fine.  I can have a novice guest to my home station and put him on
20 meters in the DX window as long as I "control" my station and my
callsign is used.  However, if you are saying that these fellers get
on and just work HF on their own, that sounds pretty unruly, and I would
complain to the repeater owner.  But check carefully on it, there are local
systems here with remotes where they are very careful to check license
class and who is actually controlling the remote base to keep it legal.

>could work WAS, DXCC, and many other awards. If they do not tell the
>station on the other end they are operating remote no one knows. I do not

Well, I suppose anyone could cheat like this.  The rules state, I believe,
that you cannot work these awards remotely....  If your argument is to
catch cheaters, good.  If it is that the possibility of cheating bothers
you, well, OK, but it doesn't mean the whole thing is bad.

>feel that there should ever be a link between VHF and HF. Plus you now
>have a no code tech operating in the bands most of us worked hard to get
>to.

Well, again, sure, I understand, but if a kid comes to MY station I am
going to put him on 20 to work some DX on SSB to GET HIM INTERESTED in
UPGRADING!  It is not all bad, at all.

>These are only my opinions, but I feel they are issues that need to be
>addressed. I am sorry if I put them in the wrong group and will move them
>wherever they need to be if someone will tell me. Maybe a refractor
>should be started to discuss these issues. Thank you for reading and I
>will get off my soapbox.

Well Jim, I support you bringing up the issues and it is nice to get such
respect in advance.  I hope I have returned the favor, even if I disagree.

73

Clark
WA3JPG


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In <3tppgo$[e-mail]>,
   Clark Savage Turner <[e-mail] (Clark Savage
Turner)> wrote:

|In <[e-mail]> Floydjr <[e-mail]> writes:

|>before I go before any VE team I will ask are there any no code extras
|>on the team. I mean someone who got there extra without taking the code.

|I don't understand this.  ALL extra class ops must take and pass a 20 wpm
|code test.  If they cheated, I am with you, get their rear ends out of
|radio.  But, hey, all the extras I know have taken the 20 wpm code test
|and passed, even if they later didn't use it and forgot!

People who qualify for a medical waiver still have to pass a 1A code
test, 5 wpm.  The waiver only exempts them from needing to pass 13
or 20.  So yes, there are extras who have only passed 5wpm,
presumably for a good and sufficient reason (and I suspect Floydjr
owes them an apology).  There are no extras who have never passed a
code test.

|>feel that there should ever be a link between VHF and HF. Plus you now
|>have a no code tech operating in the bands most of us worked hard to get
|>to.

|Well, again, sure, I understand, but if a kid comes to MY station I am
|going to put him on 20 to work some DX on SSB to GET HIM INTERESTED in
|UPGRADING!  It is not all bad, at all.

In at least one circumstance I know of it's perfectly legal for a
technician to work HF; the late lamented 440 - 10m linked repeaters
W1OJ used to run were a great way to run DX from the car; since the
link was at the repeaters and W1OJ was responsible for the
transmission on 29 Mhz, it was perfectly legal for a nocoder to work
stations on 29 Mhz.  This is separate from what constitutes contacts
eligible for awards; repeater contacts usually don't count for some
things.

        /JBL

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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:26 1995
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I do agree that there are people out there who deserve a waiver from
elements of the test. To those people I will say I am sorry. But most
likely those people are truly disable and will not be involved in the VE
program. We recently has a local ham get his extra in this manner and
wants now to start a VE team. These are the people this post was directed
at and I will apoligized to the turely deserving ones of the waviers.

73's Jim // WA4ZXA



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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Burke WB4YUC)
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In article [e-mail], Floydjr <[e-mail]> writes:
}
}I hope this is the right place to discuss this and if not let me know I
}will take it somewhere else. I feel it is two issues that should be
}addressed. My name is Jim, and my call is WA4ZXA. I am an advance class
}operator. I am getting ready to take my extra. One thing I will do
}before I go before any VE team I will ask are there any no code extras
}on the team. I mean someone who got there extra without taking the code.
}I am not going to have someone give me a test on something that they
}cannot do. I know there are people out there who truly deserve their
}license in that manner but in this area it is getting to be a joke. I
}don't consider high blood pressure a reason. I believe this should be a
}rule in the VE program.
}
}73's Jim // WA4ZXA
}
}<[e-mail]>
}


Ah yes Jim, more discrimination. I guess what you're saying is that a person
who is handicapped in some way and unable to complete the 20 wpm,
i.e: has a waiver, has no right to be there...

Our club has such a person, although not yet an extra - and quite frankly
I would be more than happy to have this person serve on our VE team! He is in
no way unable to understand and interpret the items needed to administer
any test. Further, I look forward to the day when he decides to make
that final jump to Extra as my team will no doubt be the one to
administer the test and sign off on any waivers - and I can tell you
there won't be a moments hesitation the team's part as well.

You need to seriously rethink your position Jim.

Bruce, WB4YUC




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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Wittich)
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|> >The other thing is on a local repeater the control operator has hooked up
|> >a remote link setup. On this repeater a no code tech can bring up the
|> >remote base and work anywhere in the advance portion, since the control
|> >operator is only adavnce. I am talking anywhere on the HF bands. They
|> >could work WAS, DXCC, and many other awards. If they do not tell the
|> >station on the other end they are operating remote no one knows. I do not
|> >feel that there should ever be a link between VHF and HF. Plus you now
|> >have a no code tech operating in the bands most of us worked hard to get
|> >to.
|> Obviously that is illegal, however if they were stupid enough to submit
|> QSLs for an award they would be caught. If the ARRL was to ever run a
|> check on the callsign of the person submitting the cards, they would not only
|> not get the award, but would hopefully be punished (if the FCC did its job).
|>

Since Floyd is coming to us from nando.net, He's prolly in the Raleigh
NC area, where there is a 2 meter repeater on 147.39 linked full time to
a 10 meter repeater.  The 10 meter repeater identifies as required.
There is nothing illegal about this operation.  I don't particularly
like it, but it's legal.

No punishment is due.  You can work DX on a link such as this.  As
far as awards go, are DXCC and WAS awards available for QSOs made
via repeaters?

Jeff - AC4ZO
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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jonathan Schulman)
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In <3trqjj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Wittich) writes:

>Since Floyd is coming to us from nando.net, He's prolly in the Raleigh
>NC area, where there is a 2 meter repeater on 147.39 linked full time to
>a 10 meter repeater.  The 10 meter repeater identifies as required.
>There is nothing illegal about this operation.  I don't particularly
>like it, but it's legal.
Yes, it was my mistake. I didn't read his message properly. Up here in
Rochester, NY I don't know of any 2m linked to HF bands repeaters so I am
a little unsure of that.

>No punishment is due.  You can work DX on a link such as this.  As
>far as awards go, are DXCC and WAS awards available for QSOs made
>via repeaters?
I don't think the ARRL accepts repeater contacts (whether they are cross-linked
or not).
--
Jonathan Schulman      University of Rochester
[e-mail]
73 de AA2XI -- formally KB2JNY



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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Floydjr  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I do agree that there are people out there who deserve a waiver from
>elements of the test. To those people I will say I am sorry. But most
>likely those people are truly disable and will not be involved in the VE
>program. We recently has a local ham get his extra in this manner and
>wants now to start a VE team. These are the people this post was directed
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>at and I will apoligized to the turely deserving ones of the waviers.

"VE" means "volunteer examiner".  In other words, someone who gives
up his or her time for amateur radio.  Assuming this person is an
honest VE, I'm not sure what the problem is, since all laws have been
fulfilled.

Of course, with flames like this already directed towards the individual,
you have to wonder why the individual wants to be a VE...

--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are      *
 * [phone]               | mine and do not necessarily   *
 * [e-mail]      | reflect those of my employer  *


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>
>>No punishment is due.  You can work DX on a link such as this.  As
>>far as awards go, are DXCC and WAS awards available for QSOs made
>>via repeaters?
>I don't think the ARRL accepts repeater contacts (whether they are cross-linked
>or not).
>--
>Jonathan Schulman      University of Rochester
>

You're so correct! The only "repeater" QSOs that count for DXCC or WAS are
satellite QSOs... and a satellite is DX in itself!

                                        Zack W9SZ


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[e-mail] writes:
>
>Ah yes Jim, more discrimination. I guess what you're saying is that a person
>who is handicapped in some way and unable to complete the 20 wpm,
>i.e: has a waiver, has no right to be there...

Jim didn't say that, Bruce! Why are you putting words in his mouth?
He just doesn't want to be given the 20wpm test by someone who can't
copy code. Would you want to be given an on-road driving exam by
someone who can't drive?

Jeff NH6IL


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In article <3tsr0i$[e-mail]>,
Dana Myers <[e-mail]> wrote:
> ...
>Of course, with flames like this already directed towards the individual,
>you have to wonder why the individual wants to be a VE...
>
Sometimes I wonder why anyone wants to be a VE. I am regularly suprised
at the flak that is directed toward VE's, here on the net and elsewhere.

Mark      AA7TA


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:34 1995
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[e-mail] wrote:
: He just doesn't want to be given the 20wpm test by someone who can't
: copy code. Would you want to be given an on-road driving exam by
: someone who can't drive?

Well in the scenario you put forth, since the examiner isn't the
one driving it wouldn't matter if they had no arms and legs, as long
as they are capable of judging my ability then I see no problem in their
being an examiner.

So coming back to the requirements for a code-examiner, since they have the
correct answers in their possesion it wouldn't matter what speed they
personally could copy at, they could still evaluate your ability at any
speed.

Now if it were to become a sending test, then you have a point there.

Jeff Copeland KB0QEB


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:35 1995
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No, I am in Thomasville, NC. The repeater I am speaking of is the 147.00
machine. It is linked to a 10 meter repeater also. But it is also linked
through 220 or 440 to 10 -160 meters. You will hear no code techs in the
advance portion of every band on it. Some ID that they are operating
through a remote base and others don't. What happens when you work one
and look up the call in your database and it shows no code tech? I just
do not feel they have earned the right to work in these portions of the
spectrum. I worked hard to get the right operate there and feel it is
unfair they are allowed to do it. Now if your license means no more to
you than that then I guess thats OK. As I stated this is IMHO. I was
hoping to find some other hams who felt the same way. Thanks for reading
this.

73's Jim // WA4ZXA



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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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In article <[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] writes:
>>
>>Ah yes Jim, more discrimination. I guess what you're saying is that a person
>>who is handicapped in some way and unable to complete the 20 wpm,
>>i.e: has a waiver, has no right to be there...
>
>Jim didn't say that, Bruce! Why are you putting words in his mouth?
>He just doesn't want to be given the 20wpm test by someone who can't
>copy code. Would you want to be given an on-road driving exam by
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>someone who can't drive?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

An on-road driving test bears no resemblence to a Morse code test.
In an on-road driving test, an individual is closely examined for
basic driving skills.  In a Morse code test, you either copy the
information adequately or you don't.  A computer (void of any skill)
can give Morse code tests; the only need for a human observer is to
make sure the examinees don't cheat.

--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are      *
 * [phone]               | mine and do not necessarily   *
 * [e-mail]      | reflect those of my employer  *


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:37 1995
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[e-mail] wrote:

:>[e-mail] writes:
:>>
:>>Ah yes Jim, more discrimination. I guess what you're saying is that a
:>>person who is handicapped in some way and unable to complete the 20 wpm,
:>>i.e: has a waiver, has no right to be there...

:>Jim didn't say that, Bruce! Why are you putting words in his mouth?
:>He just doesn't want to be given the 20wpm test by someone who can't
:>copy code. Would you want to be given an on-road driving exam by
:>someone who can't drive?

So now what do we do...ask every VE we come into contact with if he/she has
passed the exam for Element 1C?

BTW Jeff, I wouldn't want to be taught by my dentist how to fly the space
shuttle...reach into the apple barrel...shuffle, shuffle, shuffle...pull out
an orange.  Geez!


============================================================================
Jim Martin, WK1V                | I speak for no one....not even myself.
Lowell, Massachusetts           |
USAF(Ret) 1973-1993             |
Ex-KB1LW-N1CLS-KA5MWD-HL9ZF     |
============================================================================



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:38 1995
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I would like to make one comment to what someone else posted.

The word has finally come up and I was wondering how long it would take.
The nasty word "CHEAT". A person stated that the VE could be there just to
make sure the other examiners did not cheat. I only have one question to
that. If they cannot copy the code how do you know they did not cheat. Be
the same thing if they gave the written in spanish to some people.

73's Jim // WA4ZXA




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary P. Fiber)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dave Woolf x4760 1J-310 (nq8230100)) says:
>
>
>        I am trying to troubleshoot a problem with my ICOM
>        IC-471H and I am in need of someone with a service
>        manual for this radio.  I have the schematic and think
>        I have isolated the problem down to the PLL board
>        and in particular the xtal oscillator, 9X multiplier
>        and amplifier chain of Q1 through Q4.  I need to know
>        if the service manual provides any information about the
>        signal levels I should see along this chain.  Also any
>        adjustment procedure provided for these stages would be
>        helpful.
>
>        The symptoms I am having is that there is significant
>        drop off in xmit output power (it is variable, but
>        sometimes as much as from 70 down to 10 watts) when
>        tuning through 440.000 to 439.999.  I know that the xtals
>        for the oscillator switch at this frequency and I do see a
>        minor change in the signal waveform at the output (test
>        point J4) of the chain when the oscillator switches.  I am
>        suspecting that the gain through the multiplier chain is too
>        low and this is causing the output to the PLL (IC3)mixer to
>        be very marginal.  It also may be that the xtal for the lower
>        10MHz is weak.  The reason I am suspecting it is more than just
>        a weak xtal is the the power output even on the upper
>        10MHz is highly variable both over frequency and over
>        time.
>
>        I would appreciate any help from someone with a service
>        manual for this radio.
>
>                                        Thanks,
>                                        Dave Woolf - K8RSP
>                                        [e-mail]
David,

Do not waste too much time in the search of a service manual for the IC-471 radio.
There never was such a manual, only the IC-271 had a service manual.  I can tell you
that the output of the PLL needs to be with in 1 db for the entire tuning range.  And the typical
service monitor spectrum analyziers do not cut the muster when working on this radio.  theu
do not go low enough in level, and if they do they are not calibrated close enough.
Icom uses an 18 GHz spectrum analuizer for this job, Ship the radio to them you will be glad you did.

Gary


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (skyhorse)
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Subject: Re: identify this freq
Date: 9 Jul 1995 21:24:14 -0400
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Chuck KD9JQ (reichert) wrote:
> [e-mail] wrote:
> >In article <3ti5lb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (skyhorse) writes:
> >>While listening to my scanner I frequently hear an amateur repeater on
> >>166.85 Mhz.  I checked in the 1995 handbook and this doesn't
> >>seem to be in any of the ham bands.  Could anyone shed any light on this?
> >>
> >>TNXn
> >This frequency should be in the Federal Agency band (I don't have specifics).
> >I suspect you're hearing a repeater very close by that is blasting the front
> >end of your scanner - try subtracting the first or second IF frequency of
> >your scanner from 166.85 and you may find the actual freq. The amateur
> >2-meter repeater sub-band is from 145.11 to 145.49 and from 146.61 to
> >147.39. Fixes to this would include an attenuator or a lesser antenna or
> >possibly a re-oriented antenna.
> >
> >Hope this helps a bit.
> >
> >Regards   Mike Miller  N0JAS  Des Moines, IA
> >          [e-mail]
> >


> Probably 166.85 - 2 * 10.7 (IF) = 145.45 which is a repeater output.

Thanks to everyone who responded.  My scanner's IF is 10.8Mhz.  Tuned to
145.25Mhz and found a repeater that has just started operating in my
area.  166.85-(2*10.8)=145.25.  Thanks again for all the responses.

George




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:41 1995
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In <3tmj1c$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>
>Is there a DX reflector?  If so how do I subscribe?
>

DX Reflector is:

    [e-mail]

To subscribe send E-Mail to:

    [e-mail]

The body of the message should say:

    subscribe

            or

    subscribe dx <your_name@your_domain>

if you want the reflector messages sent to an E-Mail box other than the
one from which you are sending the "subscribe" requuest.

      ... Joe Subich, AD8I
         ([e-mail])



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chuck)
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Subject: Re: Kenwood, Yeasu, Standard
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 07:29:51 GMT
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In article <3tmpnb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe M.) wrote:
>[e-mail] (Brian) wrote:
>
>>Looking for anyone who knows about any problems associated with the
>>following radios.
>
>>Kenwood TH-79A Deluxe HP
>
>>If anyone owns one of the above a quick note on your experience would be
>>great.  Also if your experienced in Hand Held Tx'ers I would appreciate a
>>recommendation for a dual band.
>
>>E-Mail to [e-mail]
>
>

Brian,

I recently purchased the Kenwood and so far have nothing but praise for it.
It seems to be a tough radio, that has some interesting features.  QST gave it
fair reviews, commenting only on the fact that there is no squelch knob,
rather it has a squelch mode, and turning the multifunction knob controls
this.  In no way do I find this an inconvience.  I traded out an old Yaesu
FT-470, and have been happy since.

I've only found one mod on the radio, but it also includes some handy notes
about its use as a control radio for other kenwood mobiles in cross-band
mode. I do tend to lean towards Kenwood, owning 4 radios of various bands, so
I guess mine is a biased opinion, but I like it.

Charlie
KI5XP
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:43 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Can anyone tell me when & where monthly Ham type swap meets take place
in the Los Angeles area (ie: TRW, etc.) ?

TIA..........Scott



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: La hamfests
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[e-mail] wrote:

: Can anyone tell me when & where monthly Ham type swap meets take place
: in the Los Angeles area (ie: TRW, etc.) ?

Second Saturday of each month, IEARC Swapmeet at A.B. Miller High School in
Fontana.

Third Saturday of each month, DeVry Tech in Pomona, near the intersection of
the San Bernardino and 57 freeways.

TRW is the ->last<- Saturday of each month (not fourth!) at their facility
near LAX.

All swapmeets start ungodly early, like 7 AM.  If you don't arrive early,
the best gear that individual sellers have will be gone.  Some pretty much
break down by 10-11 AM.

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
[phone] (O)  |   Unix:  "It isn't supposed to be easy...If it
[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Christian Koubek)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Lookingg for latest version of HAMCOM
Date: 11 Jul 1995 18:34:24 +0200
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Hello!

I am looking for the latest version of HAMCOM. I am using version 2.1 from
11.Juni 92. Who knows a newer version? From where can i get it ?

Thankss for help.

        DE OE5KCO alias Chris
--
Christian Koubek alias [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Markus Baertschi)
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  I'd like to abuse a 'normal' VHF (TH-22AT) to communicate with
  a yacht on a upcoming sailing trip.
  Where can I get information about what frequencies are the equivalet
  to the marine channels ?

  Markus

--
  Markus Baertschi

  Rap's Law of the Inanimate Reproduction:
    If you take something apart and put it back together enough times,
    eventually you will have two of them.


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (GFA Robin)
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Subject: mobile scanner laws for Hams
Date: 10 Jul 1995 16:33:18 -0400
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I have heard a rumor that says anyone with an Amateur Radio license can
legally operate a mobile police scanner in any state. I have searched the
Internet for information on this and can't find anything. Does anyone know
where I might find a copy of this law?
Thanks bunches!!!!
Robin, KB9LAC, no longer a ham wannabe,but a Ham :)


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner)
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I think you have only a rumor.  I am aware of no Federal Law that
protects hams explicitly from state anti-mobile-scanner laws.
Of course, it is a winning argument that your Federal license
gives you some leeway over state laws, but that is not something your
local police can honor right off the bat.  They are under a different
immediate command in their jobs.  There are probably some state laws
that specifically exempt amateurs from anti-mobile-scanner laws
but they won't protect you except in the state where they
originated.

Keep looking, and if you actually find something, enlighten us all!

Clark
WA3JPG


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Victor Liguori )
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In <3ts2qe$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (GFA Robin)
writes:
>
>I have heard a rumor that says anyone with an Amateur Radio license
can
>legally operate a mobile police scanner in any state. I have searched
the
>Internet for information on this and can't find anything. Does anyone
know
>where I might find a copy of this law?
>Thanks bunches!!!!
>Robin, KB9LAC, no longer a ham wannabe,but a Ham :)
***********************************************************************


>      I know that a little while ago a Ham/Elected Representitive had
>worked very hard with Steve Mendelson from the ARRL and some others,
>to pass a law like that in NJ. I also know that some places didn't
>need to have such a law passed and there was on going work to pass a
>similar elsewhere. What I am trying to say, is it is a state by state
>thing. I don't know if there are any states where you can't but I do
>know that you will not find a single law. You most check you local
>laws.
                                         Victor N2NMN



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Walsh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: mobile scanner laws for Hams
Date: 11 Jul 1995 03:42:06 GMT
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GFA Robin ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I have heard a rumor that says anyone with an Amateur Radio license can
: legally operate a mobile police scanner in any state. I have searched the
: Internet for information on this and can't find anything. Does anyone know
: where I might find a copy of this law?

Sadly, there are places in which legislators with sloping
foreheads think that they can control the populace by making
everything illegal.  There is no such federal law, and there
are a couple of states, many counties, and many, many cities
in which dementites in need of Ex-Lax (tm) create boneheaded
laws.  There are no current federal laws which restrict the
use of scanner (amateur or not), but you can receive
additional penalties if you use such in the commission of a
crime.

Some law enforcement agencies even choose to ignore selected
portions of their own laws.  For example, Minnesota has a law
banning the mobile use of scanners, but with an exemption for
amateur radio operators.  Two years ago, a fellow Californian
was pulled over on the highway there (for no apparent reason),
and had his scanner confiscated despite his immediate production
of his amateur radio license as well as a copy of that state's
law.  Despite many letters, phone calls, promises, and so forth,
he still doesn't have his radio back.  This is not the only case
of the abuse of this law.

I suppose that the best thing to do if you get pulled over in
such a locale and your assault radio happens to be visible is
to push the "WX" button.  I wonder how they would handle trunk
mounted radios?  (Shudder!)

--
***** Mark Walsh ***** [e-mail] ***** km6xu@kc6pjw ***** L10861 *****


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: mobile scanner laws for Hams
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In article <3ts2qe$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (GFA Robin) writes:
>I have heard a rumor that says anyone with an Amateur Radio license can
>legally operate a mobile police scanner in any state. I have searched the
>Internet for information on this and can't find anything. Does anyone know
>where I might find a copy of this law?

There is no such law. Most State anti-scanner laws have exemptions
for amateurs. I believe Kentucky was the most recent to add that
feature to their anti-scanner law. However, in some cases local
jurisdictions also have anti-scanner laws, and some do not offer
a waiver for amateurs.

Only criminals, and news reporters (same thing, profiting from radio
intercepts is a violation of CCA'34), have a need to monitor police
calls from an automobile (so the thinking goes).  Are you wanting to
be the lookout man for a stickup gang? Or are you just a voyeur who
wants to be on the scene (and in the way) of police busts? In either
case, the police don't want you listening.

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:52 1995
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In article <3tscb3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Victor Liguori ) writes:
>In <3ts2qe$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (GFA Robin)
>writes:
>>
>>I have heard a rumor that says anyone with an Amateur Radio license
>can
>>legally operate a mobile police scanner in any state. I have searched
>the
>>Internet for information on this and can't find anything. Does anyone
>know
>>where I might find a copy of this law?
>>Thanks bunches!!!!
>>Robin, KB9LAC, no longer a ham wannabe,but a Ham :)
>***********************************************************************
>
>
>>      I know that a little while ago a Ham/Elected Representitive had
>>worked very hard with Steve Mendelson from the ARRL and some others,
>>to pass a law like that in NJ. I also know that some places didn't
>>need to have such a law passed and there was on going work to pass a
>>similar elsewhere. What I am trying to say, is it is a state by state
>>thing. I don't know if there are any states where you can't but I do
>>know that you will not find a single law. You most check you local
>>laws.
>                                         Victor N2NMN
>
I think the rumor started because some states that have mobile scanner
restrictions exempted amateurs.  Not because we are better or something
(debateable) but because some amateur radios can recieve police
frequencies.  The point being that they wouldn't confiscate an
amateur radio tranceiver that can recieve the police.  I don't
think the exemptions apply as a blanket, which would include
the exemption for scanners, but specifically to trancievers.  I think
if a state confiscated a tranciever that could recieve police
frequencies you could eventually get to a federal court and win.

---Donald Larson---
---Laramie Wyoming---


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James O'connell, w9wu)
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Subject: Re: mobile scanner laws for Hams
Date: 11 Jul 1995 18:28:16 GMT
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Robin:  The FCC issued a Memorandum Opinion and Order in FCC 93-410, 8 F.
C.C.R. 6413 on September 3, 1993 entitled

                                           IN THE MATTER OF
FEDERAL PREEMPTION OF STATE AND LOCAL LAWS CONCERNING AMATEUR OPERATOR
USE OF TRANSCEIVERS CAPABLE OF RECEPTION BEYOND AMATEUR SERVICE FREQUENCY
ALLOCATIONS.

That Opinion was in response to an ARRL Motion for a Declaratory Ruling
requesting that the Commission preempt certain state statutes and local
ordinances affecting transceivers used by Amateur Radio Service licensees.
  The laws referenced by the ARRL prohited the possession of such
transceivers if they are capable of the reception of communications on
certain frequencies other than amateur service frequencies.   On March 15,
 1990, the Commission released a public notice soliciting comments, and
on September 3, 1993, issued  a Memorandum Opinion and Order.

That Order (some 24 pages) stated:

                                                       CONCLUSION

13.  "We hold that state and local laws that preclude the possession in
vehicles or elsewhere of amateur radio service transceivers by amateur
operators merely on the basis that the transceivers are capable of the
reception of public safety, special emergency, or other radio service
frequencies, the reception of which is not prohibited by federal law, are
inconsistent with the federal objectives of facilitating and promoting
the amateur radio service and, more fundamentally, with the federal
interest in amateur operators' being able to transmit and receive on
authorized amateur service frequencies.  We therefore hold that such
state and local laws are preempted by federal law."

Thus, state or local laws prohibiting the possession of receivers capable
of monitoring police or emergency frequencies do not apply to amateur
radio transceivers with wide band frequency coverage in the possession of
licensed amateurs.  Carry your FCC licence or a copy.

73, Jim O'Connell, W9WU   ARRL Volunteer Counsel



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Wilson)
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3ts2qe$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (GFA Robin) writes:
: >I have heard a rumor that says anyone with an Amateur Radio license can
: >legally operate a mobile police scanner in any state. I have searched the
: >Internet for information on this and can't find anything. Does anyone know
: >where I might find a copy of this law?

: There is no such law. Most State anti-scanner laws have exemptions
: for amateurs. I believe Kentucky was the most recent to add that
: feature to their anti-scanner law. However, in some cases local
: jurisdictions also have anti-scanner laws, and some do not offer
: a waiver for amateurs.

: Only criminals, and news reporters (same thing, profiting from radio
: intercepts is a violation of CCA'34), have a need to monitor police
: calls from an automobile (so the thinking goes).  Are you wanting to
: be the lookout man for a stickup gang? Or are you just a voyeur who
: wants to be on the scene (and in the way) of police busts? In either
: case, the police don't want you listening.

: Gary

Okay...this is related.  I suspect that the statement about "scanners"
per-se, is correct.  However, there is a FULL FCC FEDERAL PREMPTION for
amateur gear that can receive outside of the amateur bands.  All state
laws banning the possesion of such equipment are null and void.

So, if the arguement is that this gear can receive my police channels,
so I get to confiscate it.. Nope.  This is what we ARE protected
against.

Now, as has been pointed out by previous posters, convincing the local
cop on the beat that such a thing exists is another matter.   It might
take a trip to court, or at least to the guys supervisor with all of
the required documentation to convice them otherwise.

Steve Ka6S




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From: [e-mail] (Rod Davis)
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In article <3ts2qe$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (GFA Robin) says:
>
>I have heard a rumor that says anyone with an Amateur Radio license can
>legally operate a mobile police scanner in any state. I have searched the
>Internet for information on this and can't find anything. Does anyone know
>where I might find a copy of this law?
>Thanks bunches!!!!
>Robin, KB9LAC, no longer a ham wannabe,but a Ham :)

In Florida hams are exempted from Florida Statute 843.16 (Unlawful to
install radio equipment using assigned frequency of state or law
enforcement officers; definitions;execeptions; penalties. -)

I have one question about section 1 below:

(1)  No person, firm or corporation shall install in any motor vehicle or
business establishment, except emergency vehicles as herin defined, or
places established by municipal, county, state, or federal authority
for governmental purposes, any frequency modulation radio receiving
equipment so adjusted or tuned as to receive messages or signals on
frequencies assigned by the Federal Communications Commission to police
or law enforcement officers of any city or county of the state or to the
state or any of its agencies.  Provided, nothing herin shall be construed
to affect any radio station licensed by the Federal Communications
System.

I understand the part about installing a scanner in a "motor vehicle",
but what about the "business establishment" part?   Does it mean you
can't have a scanner installed in a store in Florida?  I know A.E.S.
Orlando has 2 or 3 scanners running on their front counter every time
I go in there.

Our exemption:

(3)  This section shall not apply to any holders of a valid amateur
radio operator or station license issued by the Federal Communications
Commission.

                  ------------------------------

I was told by the director of communications of our local police
department (also a ham) that a hand-held scanner not attached to the
car by a power cord or external antenna is not considered "installed."
He also said the instant you modify your radio to transmit out of the
amateur band and possibly on law enforcement frequencies (by snipping
that little blue wire or removing some smt components), you are no longer
covered under the "receive" catagory of F.S. 843.16 and you are in
violation of the law.

I know that the 6 o'clock news makes a big story out of a captured bank
robber suspect that had a scanner on the front seat of the getaway car.
So I guess we scanner enthusiasts are "suspect" when stopped by the
police and have the AOR 1500 on the front seat.

One last item of information.  A friend of mine was driving down the
road in Central Florida and attempting mobile 2 meter packet.  He had
a notebook on the passenger seat hooked to a tnc and into his installed
mobile radio.  He was stopped and given a ticken under the Florida law
that prohibits "watching television" by any front seat occupant in a
moving vehicle.

The State of Florida just went on-line in January.  You might try
searching their information at:  http//FCN.state.fl.us

Good luck!

Rod


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:59 1995
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: N.A. 2meter distance record
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 95 01:08:41 -0500
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This doesn't strike me as being much of a record, considering new trans-
Pacific records were recently set on 2304 MHz along a similar path and given
that longer 3000+ miles contacts across the Atlantic on 144 MHz have been
occuring on a regular basis for many, many years.  This source and the ARRL
VHF/UHF records archive should be checked before this is declared a new
"North American record".

Stephan Anderman
WA3RKB
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:13:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Teodora Irimie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: N.A. 2meter distance record
Date: 9 Jul 95 20:03:22 GMT
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Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]> writes:

>This doesn't strike me as being much of a record, considering new trans-
>Pacific records were recently set on 2304 MHz along a similar path and given
>that longer 3000+ miles contacts across the Atlantic on 144 MHz have been
>occuring on a regular basis for many, many years.  This source and the ARRL
>VHF/UHF records archive should be checked before this is declared a new
>"North American record".
>
>Stephan Anderman
>WA3RKB
>[e-mail]

Its funny that you mention ARRL as QST magazine had an article on the
previous record from Nova Scotia to Florida (I believe) earlier this year.

Please provide references for these 3000+ mile 2 meter contacts to Europe.

Scott Leaf
VE7ZVZ
c/o T. Irimie
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Landis - Systems & Network Mgr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: N.A. 2meter distance record
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Teodora Irimie) writes:
> Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>This doesn't strike me as being much of a record, considering new trans-
>>Pacific records were recently set on 2304 MHz along a similar path and given
>>that longer 3000+ miles contacts across the Atlantic on 144 MHz have been
>>occuring on a regular basis for many, many years.  This source and the ARRL
    nope.
>>VHF/UHF records archive should be checked before this is declared a new
>>"North American record".
>>
>>Stephan Anderman
>>WA3RKB
>>[e-mail]
>
> Its funny that you mention ARRL as QST magazine had an article on the
> previous record from Nova Scotia to Florida (I believe) earlier this year.
> Please provide references for these 3000+ mile 2 meter contacts to Europe.
> Scott Leaf
> VE7ZVZ
> c/o T. Irimie
> [e-mail]
Yes this is funny. Please see June 95 QST, pg 92 for a description of the
Brendan trophies. The Irish Radio Transmitters Society will award them
to the 2 stations making the 1st 2 way contact between Europe and America
on 144mhz using terrestrial propagation.
Joe - AA3GN
--
Joe Landis - Systems and Network Manager - North American Drager - Telford, PA
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NEW FLORIDA KEYS REPEATER
Date: 11 Jul 1995 16:11:23 GMT
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Randy Williams <[e-mail]> writes:
>The Conch Republic Amateur Radio Club has the pleasure to
>announce that we have finally got our repeater on the air!
>It is on: 146.655(-)  call:  N7CJE
>The repeater is at mile marker 99 in Key Largo, FL.  It is
>located at the Key Largo Vol. Fire Dept. station.

I can't hear it here in San Diego.  I think it's being swamped
by the 146.64 repeater.

Could you maybe swing the antennas a little more to the west so
it will be stronger in Southern California?
Or would around-the-world to the east be better?

Thank you!
        - Brian


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Wright)
Subject: Re: Problem with Super Morse !!!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (Operator)
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In article <3tl76r$[e-mail]>,
gregory brown <[e-mail]> wrote:
>BUDDY10 ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: I downloaded the program and installed it with NO problems.  When I tried
>: to use it it sounded TERRIBLE !   The first lesson(dits & dahs) made the
>: dits & dahs sound the same.  Some dits were long , some dahs were short.
>: I calibrated the program.  I played around with the weight & the tone.  I
>: tried it with pc speaker & soundblaster.  AWFUL !    anybody else have
>: this problem ?   Can you recomend  another morse code program ?   Help !!!
>

A little bit of advice with SuperMorse, DO NOT run it from under Windows [tm].
It screws up the weighting and timing factor pretty good! Make sure you run it
from a DOS prompt and set your operating parameters.

Hope this helps.

Dave



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Pete Soper)
Subject: Re: Problem with Super Morse !!!
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 16:31:25 GMT
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[e-mail] (BUDDY10) writes:

>I downloaded the program and installed it with NO problems.  When I tried
>to use it it sounded TERRIBLE !   The first lesson(dits & dahs) made the
>dits & dahs sound the same.  Some dits were long , some dahs were short.

If you're running it in a DOS session under Windows, then the solution
(that worked for me) is to quit Windows and run it under DOS directly.

Regards,
Pete

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pete Soper KS4XG  ([e-mail]) 919 481 3730/voice 919 481 3868/FAX
Encore Computer Corp    901 Kildaire Farm Rd       Cary, NC 27511     USA


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:04 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with Super Morse !!!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: [e-mail] (D. Larson)
Date: 10 Jul 95 14:26:17 MDT
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In article <3tkg3k$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (BUDDY10) writes:
>I downloaded the program and installed it with NO problems.  When I tried
>to use it it sounded TERRIBLE !   The first lesson(dits & dahs) made the
>dits & dahs sound the same.  Some dits were long , some dahs were short.
>I calibrated the program.  I played around with the weight & the tone.  I
>tried it with pc speaker & soundblaster.  AWFUL !    anybody else have
>this problem ?   Can you recomend  another morse code program ?   Help !!!
>
>Thanks !!!
>DE KD6GPV
>
> [e-mail]  (Scott Powell),  Nickel dime shoeshine,don't let your
>meat loaf !

I had the same problem and never did figure it out.  This was
on a Pentium & internal speaker.
73
KC7EGB
---Donald Larson---
---Laramie Wyoming---


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:05 1995
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From: Kevin David Watkins <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Propagation model.
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 95 01:12:17 GMT
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Hi,

Can anyone help me - I'm trying to find am implementation of the HF propagation
model described in CCIR report 894-2 (possibly known as MICROP II). I beleive
there is a public domain Fortran implementation written by M. I. Dick
from the Rutherford Appleton Lab. I would also be interested in an Ada
implementation.

Thanks in advance

Kevin Watkins

P.S. Please reply to me by email.

--
Kevin D. Watkins                                      [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Laws)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Public safety radios-used
Date: 9 Jul 1995 19:32:01 GMT
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[e-mail] writes:


>Are you sure about this?  The radio I bought was a "HAM" radio that the dealer
>modified for me so that I *CAN* use it for Fire/EMS use at work.  When some of

As others have pointed out, "yes, this is true".  You're far better off
buying a used Motorola HT and converting it to amateur use than vice
versa.

Speaking of which, I picked up a Motorola APCOR at a recent hamfest (for
less than $100 - quick, go tell your comm manager :) and am looking for 1)
a battery - I have the charger; 2) a schematic/service manual; and 3)
notes for converting this to the 70 cm amateur band.

Peter Laws
exNREMT-P

Peter Laws<[e-mail]>|"Time flies when you're slackin'" - Brian Reed
n5uwy@ka5bml.#nwar.ar.usa.noam |<A HREF="http://comp.uark.edu/~plaws/">geek</A>



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Patterson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Public safety radios-used
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 19:33:15 -0400
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In article <3tparh$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Peter Laws) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Peter Laws)
>Subject: Re: Public safety radios-used
>Date: 9 Jul 1995 19:32:01 GMT

>Speaking of which, I picked up a Motorola APCOR at a recent hamfest (for
>less than $100 - quick, go tell your comm manager :) and am looking for 1)
>a battery - I have the charger; 2) a schematic/service manual; and 3)
>notes for converting this to the 70 cm amateur band.

>Peter Laws
>exNREMT-P

Hi Peter.   I don't have an Apcor manual - - those are pretty rare, but you
can probably find a manual for an MX300/330 type radio, and the
transmit/receive boards inside your Apcor are basically the same cards.
They also take the same crystals.    Is yours the 1watt or 12 watt version?
I have a 12 watt which is still on the Med 1- 10 freqs.   I was told by our
local service tech that  Apcors are a real pain to change the frequency on.
They are full duplex, and the internal  duplexer  is not easily retuned.
Let me know what kind of success you have.

David Patterson                   [e-mail]





From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Pat Franzis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Recent Canadian call signs??
Date: 11 Jul 1995 12:51:49 -0500
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   Hi All,

   I have been searching for a server that has up to date Canadian
   call signs. If anyone knows of such a site, please let me know
   by email.



                        Thanks - Pat




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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gab)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Reciprocal licence wanted for ISRAEL
Date: 10 Jul 1995 07:51:08 GMT
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Hi!
  Does anyone know how one might go about gaining reciprocal licence
rights in Israel (I'm from the VK2 division in Australia). I will be
getting my novice licence in 2½ months and may be going OS just a little
bit after that. Thanks for your help!

                                Regards, -Gab.

--
                                Gabriel Sassoon
       Triode help team member,  soon-to-be amateur radio operator
        [e-mail]                 Sydney, Australia
           "640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
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Subject: Re: Repeater Database?
Date: 11 Jul 1995 18:03:15 GMT
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There's also a book out called the _U.S. Repeater MapBook and OPEN Listings_
published by Artsci, Bill Smith (N6MQS) editor/author.  The maps aren't
pinpoint accurate (I found several errors in placement) but they are in
the general area and let you know about what they cover.  Includes freqs
and offsets.  Includes a CD-Rom with a Ham Callsign Database and I think it
might have the Open Repeaters on the CD-Rom as well.  Not sure as I haven't
accessed the CD yet.

I've looked thru it and it's OK.  May be what you want.  It also covers
Canada and Mexico, but I've no idea how thoroughly.  Looks to be about in
the same detail as the state maps.

I'm not associated in any way with this book or its publication, it's just
one I'm aware of that may answer the original query to some extent.  Granted
its not an on-line db, but it is a paperback listing.  Cost was $29.95.

FWIW: from the inside cover:

Artsci, Inc.
P.O Box 1428
Burbank, CA   91507
[phone]
[phone] FAX

73 de Bill, KC7JSD


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Andy Brandt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Sacramento, CA-area repeaters Q.
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 1995 11:33:33 -0700
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Unable to obtain the latest ARRL repeater guide, I would like to know if
any ham with spare time and a current repeater directory could e-mail the
freqs./offset/pl. of some open repeaters in the 2m/70cm bands around
Sacramento, CA.

I'll be going there on 22 July, and would like to be able to communicate
with some friends back in the San Francisco area over the airwaves.
Linked repeaters are, therefore, a bonus.

Please reply via e-mail to:  [e-mail]

Thanks for your help.

--A


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:14 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Selling a radio through Usenet
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[e-mail] (Rod Davis) writes:

>I just had my first experience at trading here.  I offered a ham radio
>for sale in the rec.radio.swap newsgroup.  After 7 exchanges with a
>ham in Georgia, discussing all details such as the price was "firm"
>and "not negotiable", and all the accessories I had, he made an
>offer equal to my exact asking price.  He added one more question:
>"what is the condition of the radio?"  I answered it was, "As new, in
>the box, and I would ship immediately upon his final confirmation."
>His reply, "Oh, I made a typo error, I meant to offer ..... (less than
>he had offered previously.)
>I sent him private EMAIL asking if he did not understand the words
> "firm" or "price not negotiable" but he will not respond.
>His name is H.G. and his amateur radio callsign is Nxxx
>just in case you end up in negotiations with him.
>I would be interested in hearing of other such incidents that happened
>through Usenet and on any newsgroups.  I have 14 attourneys on staff and
>we are just getting into "Intelectual Property Law."
>
>Rod Davis

This Davis guy is out in left field. Just for kicks, after reading the
above diatribe I emailed him and offered him $350 for the radio.
He accepted the offer, and added that if I didn't send him the money
he would sue me.

I suggest everyone stay far far away from this dingbat.

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Subject: Re: Selling a radio through Usenet
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[e-mail] wrote:

:>[e-mail] (Rod Davis) writes:

:>>I have 14 attourneys on staff and we are just getting into
:>>"Intelectual Property Law."
:>>
:>>Rod Davis

:>This Davis guy is out in left field. Just for kicks, after reading the
:>above diatribe I emailed him and offered him $350 for the radio.
:>He accepted the offer, and added that if I didn't send him the money
:>he would sue me.
:>I suggest everyone stay far far away from this dingbat.
:>Jeff NH6IL

Gee...do you think we can all get Rod Davis to threaten to sue us too? He
has 14 "attourneys" on staff.   Oooooooooooh!

============================================================================
Jim Martin, WK1V                | I speak for no one....not even myself.
Lowell, Massachusetts           |
USAF(Ret) 1973-1993             |
Ex-KB1LW-N1CLS-KA5MWD-HL9ZF     |
============================================================================



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Sparks)
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> >Of course treaties can be abrogated, that's what war is for,
> >but it's not a step to be taken lightly.
>
> Come ON, Gary!  Do you actually believe for one second that any other
> country would consider our dropping the Morse test an act of war against
> them?

Apparently not.  As I understand it, Japan already grants codeless
hams low power HF phone privileges, and I see no multi-national
"peacekeeping" force being organized to enforce treaty provisions to
the contrary.



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Danylchenko)
Subject: Six Metre All Mode?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (Greg Danylchenko)
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I am looking at getting a 6 metre rig. While it certainly depends on
personal interest, how really useful are the other modes, other than FM,
on 6 metres? A 6 metre FM only rig is a couple of hundred dollars less
than an all mode.

Thanks for any views you can toss my way.
--
Greg Danylchenko           [e-mail]
VE3YTZ


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Price N3QYE)
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Subject: Re: Six Metre All Mode?
Date: 11 Jul 1995 16:34:48 GMT
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Greg Danylchenko ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I am looking at getting a 6 metre rig. While it certainly depends on
: personal interest, how really useful are the other modes, other than FM,
: on 6 metres? A 6 metre FM only rig is a couple of hundred dollars less
: than an all mode.

Get an all-mode model.  There's a lot happening on SSB (not to mention
CW), and with SSB you can work stations on voice that are much weaker/
farther away than on FM.  You'll have fun with SSB.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Price, ARS N3QYE                         Don't blame me.
[e-mail]                  I voted for Emma Goldman.



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
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Subject: Re: Six Metre All Mode?
Date: 11 Jul 1995 17:16:14 GMT
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>I am looking at getting a 6 metre rig. While it certainly depends on
>personal interest, how really useful are the other modes, other than FM,
>on 6 metres? A 6 metre FM only rig is a couple of hundred dollars less
>than an all mode.

Hi Greg,

How usefull is amateur radio? or how usefull is FM?

Well to answer the question properly, only with ssb or cw you can
make efficiently DX contacts and enjoy the very special propagetion
on this band. In the summer there are lots of contacts in the 1000 to
2000 km range, with some lucky stations catching intercontinental DX.

73, Moritz DL5UH





From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Sparks)
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Subject: Skywarn FAQ?
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 1995 20:14:24 -0700
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Can someone point me to a FAQ or info file about Skywarn?  Thanks

---
Dave Sparks -- KD6PDZ -- [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] ("Steve Blinkhorn")
Subject: Southend & DRS Rally 10/9/95
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 15:26:12 GMT
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To celebrate the Clubs 75th Anniversary, the Rally will be held at a new
prestigious venue over looking Southend Seafront with over 10,000 square
feet of exhibitors and traders in one hall.
Easy access from M25 Junction 29. Bring the family for all the Southend
Seafront attractions.

FREE RAFFLE with £100 worth of prizes- Morse Tests on demand (2 photos
required)-RSGB in attendance. Large Bring & Buy-Display of historic Police
Radios-3 Bars, Hot & Cold Snacks, Pub Grub and Restaurant. Facilities for
the disabled-Talk in S22-Entrance only £1-50 (Concessions £1-00). Open
10:00am until 5:00pm.

   SUNDAY 10TH. SEPTEMBER 1995, CLIFFS PAVILION, SOUTHEND-ON-SEA

Tel: [phone]/Fax [phone]/E-Mail [e-mail]
                                          [e-mail]
                                   Packet G1XGP@GB7WIG.#34.GBR.EU

73
Steve
G1XGP


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Van Yperen)
Date: 09 Jul 95 15:56:16
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: special event station GB.
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Organization: Alexander BBS / HCC OS/2 gg - [phone] & 2201454
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Still searching for info and adresses of 2 U.K.based stations transmitting last
may to commemmorate 50 years of liberacion of Europe.
Calls where GB50LD
            GB50VE
Anyone outthere can supply snail-ad please contact me at

[e-mail]


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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:24 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: SSTV on 2m FM, aa3?? please reply
Date: 11 Jul 1995 16:41:46 -0400
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Hello, there was a AA3<GR>???? call that got back to me on SSTV on 2m FM, but
i never got the callsigns of those who did in the phily area....it would help
:-0

thanks

DAvid
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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Crosswell)
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Subject: Summer VE exams in Manhattan, NYC
Date: 10 Jul 1995 19:53:47 GMT
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The Columbia University ARC VE team will be holding summer exams at
6:30PM on July 17th and August 21st at 6:30PM at Columbia's
Morningside Heights campus (116th and Broadway).  To register,
call Alan at 212-854-3754.  See the following URL for more info:
   http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~alan/ham/cuarc-exams.html

73

Alan N2YGK



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Braun)
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Subject: Re: Technician vs. Technician NoCode??
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In Article <3tjqaf$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (D Carp) writes:

> Drew Loker ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : I just downloaded the ASCII text version of the Technician test, but it
> : appears to be the older version. Is there an updated version? Or is this
> : version that I have still applicable, just no code?
>
> I THINK the tests changed recently -- July 1st or something, so it may
> not be the most up to date question pool.  Some of the questions will be
> the same, tohers will be diferent.
>
The most recent question pool change was the Advanced pool which just
changed July 1 of this year.  Last year it was the general pool and the tech
was the year before that.  The exams I'm using (from ARRL-VEC) are dated
in 1995 for Advanced, 94 for Extra and General, and 93 for Tech/Novice.
The most recent ARRL VE manual has the following schedule for exam pool
updates:

Novice and Tech - 1997
General - 1998
Advanced - 1995 (already done)
Extra - 1996

Hopefully this helps.  I suspect your technician pool is current unless it
is dated 1990 or before.  There are a few questions that have been dropped
from current exam versions (even though they still use the old pools) due
to recent rule changes, which is the reason it may look old.  Good luck.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
*  Alan Braun MD, NS0B/V31EV  *   Internet: [e-mail]      *
*  Jefferson City, MO         *   Packet: NS0B@N0LBA.#cemo.mo.usa.noam  *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (D Carp)
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Subject: Re: Technician vs. Technician NoCode??
Date: 10 Jul 1995 17:18:08 GMT
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Alan Braun ([e-mail]) wrote:
: The most recent question pool change was the Advanced pool which just
: changed July 1 of this year.  Last year it was the general pool and the tech
: was the year before that.  The exams I'm using (from ARRL-VEC) are dated
: in 1995 for Advanced, 94 for Extra and General, and 93 for Tech/Novice.
: The most recent ARRL VE manual has the following schedule for exam pool
: updates:

: Novice and Tech - 1997
: General - 1998
: Advanced - 1995 (already done)
: Extra - 1996

Thanks for the clarification.

IS there any source online that anyone is aware of where one can get a
copy of the NEW Advanced Pool questions/answers?  I have to rely on
online sources since Radio Shack in Canada doesn't sell ANY of the books
[nor even code tapes :( ]...


DC
KC7IHY




From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:28 1995
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From: Ed Ellers <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The Forbidden Drawing
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 95 21:32:37 -0500
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Darryl Smith <[e-mail]> writes:

>In the USA the white pages are not copyright because they have NO artistic
>metit at all.

Wrong.  Copyright doesn't depend on artistic merit.


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
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Subject: Re: Tnc Plans needed
Date: 9 Jul 1995 21:54:08 GMT
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Richard Hurley ([e-mail]) wrote:
: is thereanyone who can get me plans to build a cheap tnc that would works
: with an older model IBM. Thank you !!!!!!!

   ANY TNC-2 compatible TNC will work with an XT.  You may, however,
run into problems if you attempt to run some of the associated host
software.  :-)



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wartburg)
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Subject: Vanity Call Signs
Date: 9 Jul 1995 23:58:26 GMT
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Anyone know why the FCC still cannot make the 610V form available? They
keep saying the forms are on backorder.

                                  TNX  73  Bob  K0LLO



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Derek Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VEs and code tests
Date: 10 Jul 1995 02:23:30 GMT
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Floydjr <[e-mail]> says:

>>I am getting ready to take my extra. One thing I will do  before I
>>go before any VE team I will ask are there any no code extras  on
>>the team. I mean someone who got there extra without taking the code.
>>I am not going to have someone give me a test on something that they
>>cannot do.

I think this is an unrealistic attitude to adopt.   Many Extras
who took and passed the 20 wpm test couldn't pass it now.  This
is why the test is multiple-choice or fill-in-the-blanks, and it
is why there is no sending test.  Many of the VEs could not pass
the higher-level written tests now either, and again that is why
they are multiple-choice tests.

It makes as much sense as asking the VE whether he or she voted
for a particular presidential candidate, or is an NRA member or
is left-handed or a vegetarian.

Good luck with the Extra tests - just make sure the VEs have the
answer keys and you're all set.   Ask them about their code ability
and/or political preferences after they have passed you, not before.

Derek Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
Department of Astronomy, University of Texas,
Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:33 1995
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Subject: Re: VEs and code tests
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 01:03:14 -0400 (EDT)
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I did not mean the VE had to be able to pass a test then. I have no
problem with any VE who has passed the test at least once. Most likely
after I pass it I might throw my key away. The ones I meant are the ones
who get a doctor's waiver and have never passed more than 5 wpm test.
These are the ones I will not take a test from.

I know this is a little silly but would take a test to fly an airplane
from someone who can't fly.

73's Jim // WA4ZXA



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:35 1995
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Date: 10 Jul 1995 07:14:45 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, Floydjr <[e-mail]> writes:
>I did not mean the VE had to be able to pass a test then. I have no
>problem with any VE who has passed the test at least once. Most likely
>after I pass it I might throw my key away. The ones I meant are the ones
>who get a doctor's waiver and have never passed more than 5 wpm test.
>These are the ones I will not take a test from.
>
>I know this is a little silly but would take a test to fly an airplane
>from someone who can't fly.
>
>73's Jim // WA4ZXA
>

I've been following your position with interest.  When the Morse code waiver policy
became the law of the land, I asked W5YI if there would be an indicator on the
license of those who had not passed 13 or 20 wpm.  Of course he had no answer
because the regulation was new and untested.

Back to your point.  If you would like to be tested the same way I was tested (1
minute straight copy), come to the Dallas area.  We can arrange it.

The VE system works.  Problems occur when the Congress caves to interest groups.
I yield the soapbox.

GL    es   73    de    K5IK



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Price N3QYE)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VEs and code tests
Date: 10 Jul 1995 02:38:18 GMT
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: Floydjr <[e-mail]> says:

: >>I am getting ready to take my extra. One thing I will do  before I
: >>go before any VE team I will ask are there any no code extras  on
: >>the team. I mean someone who got there extra without taking the code.
: >>I am not going to have someone give me a test on something that they
: >>cannot do.

No-Code Extra?  Perhaps someone who got a waiver because of physical
disability?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Price, ARS N3QYE                         Don't blame me.
[e-mail]                  I voted for Emma Goldman.


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:36 1995
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Subject: Re: VEs and code tests
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First of all there are no waivers of the 5 WPM requirement.
The higher speed can be waived but not the 5 WPM. I don't
know about other VECs but the ARRL does not allow Extras with
waivers to give the code portion of the exams although they can
give the writtens.

This urban legend of the no code Extra is more of the CW forever
paranoia. The world will not end if every ham cannot do 30 WPM
in his/her head while SCUBA diving.

Don't worry there will not be a no code Extra testing you.


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Wittich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VEs and code tests
Date: 11 Jul 1995 17:05:05 GMT
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In article <3tu3cr$[e-mail]>, Gerald Schmitt <[e-mail]> writes:
|>
|> First of all there are no waivers of the 5 WPM requirement.
|> The higher speed can be waived but not the 5 WPM. I don't
|> know about other VECs but the ARRL does not allow Extras with
|> waivers to give the code portion of the exams although they can
|> give the writtens.

This is not true.  It is up to the ARRL accredited VE team how
they want to use any examiner.  From the VE manual (ARRLVEC)
seventh edition, page 15:

The FCC allows VECs to accredit handicapped licensees to become VEs.
The FCC stated, that although VEs might be competent to administer a
20-WPM receiving test where the message is sent by a tape player and
the content of the message is known by the VE, a VE who does not have
the skill to receive Morse code sent at 20 wpm, for instance, is not
competent to administer a 20-wpm sending test because the VE cannot
receive the message sent by the examinee.

On page 16:   If a VE team plans to use the services of a handicapped
person, the VE team may determine in which ways that person's assistance
is accepted.  For example, if a VE team is not comfortable accepting
the participation of a VE who is not competant to receive Morse code
messages sent by the examinee, the team does not have to accept the
services of that VE in administering Morse code examinations in that
manner.

End of quoted material.

Whether you like it or not, thats what the book says.  Nowhere that
I can find does it say that a VE who never passed 1C is not permitted
to administer 1C.  I wouldn't want him giving ME the test either...
but it is permitted.

Jeff - AC4ZO
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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (D Carp)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VEs and code tests
Date: 11 Jul 1995 16:32:47 GMT
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Jim Price N3QYE ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : Floydjr <[e-mail]> says:

: : >>I am getting ready to take my extra. One thing I will do  before I
: : >>go before any VE team I will ask are there any no code extras  on
: : >>the team. I mean someone who got there extra without taking the code.
: : >>I am not going to have someone give me a test on something that they
: : >>cannot do.

: No-Code Extra?  Perhaps someone who got a waiver because of physical
: disability?

There actually isn't any such creature as a "No-Coe" Extra.  In order to
get the waiver for the 13 wpm and 20 wpm tests you STILL have to *pass*
the 5 wpm test, and are supposed to *attempt* the 13 wpm and 20 wpm
tests, including with all the adaptions that they are allowed to make.

So, there are 5 wpm Extras, but no No-Code Extras.


DC.



From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:40 1995
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From: Gerald Schmitt <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: VEs and code tests
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 13:04:28 MST
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I did not have the reference in front of me so you have
the advantage. What I was quoted was a paraphrase of what
you have supplied us. However there still is the matter
of the Urban legend of the no-code Extra and I reiterate
there ain't no such animal. You cannot be exempted from
the 5 WPM only the higher speeds. If it is convenient could
you quote that section also.


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:40 1995
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From: Michael J Wooding <[e-mail]>
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Subject: VHF Clubs in the USA
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 20:52:43 GMT
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Hi there,

I am looking for a list of VHF clubs in the United States for a mail
shot reference my magazine VHF Communications.  I am obviously quite
prepared to pay for a databse of such information, but can anyone
advise me as to where and if such a list resides.

Many thanks in advance.

Mike

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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BUDDY10)
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Subject: What is "Netting/Zero beatting" ?
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Can someone explain these two terms to me as they apply to CW operation ?
Thanks !

 [e-mail]  (Scott Powell),  Nickel dime shoeshine,don't let your
meat loaf !


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:43 1995
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Subject: Re: What is "Netting/Zero beatting" ?
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In <3tpsc9$[e-mail]>,
   BUDDY10 <[e-mail] (BUDDY10)> wrote:
|Can someone explain these two terms to me as they apply to CW operation ?

I won't talk much about "netting".  Zero beating is the term used to
describe matching your transmit frequency to someone else's;
presumably, that means if she is listening on the same frequency
that she's transmitting on, you'll be dead-on frequency when you
send to her.  This assumes that both your radio and hers are
correctly set-up so the pitch of the sidetone you hear when you
transmit CW matches the frequency offset you are listening to.  Most
modern radios take care of this automatically.  To zero beat, you
turn off transmit and then key some dits or steady tone (you don't
want to transmit this, just generate sidetone), and then adjust your
frequency till the sidetone "zero beats" or exactly matches the
received signal.  Then turn transmit back on and you're ready to
begin transmitting when appropriate.

The connection with nets as I understand them is that everyone wants
to be on the same frequency (unless two ops go off frequency to
exchange some traffic), so you might zero beat with net control and
use your RIT/Clarifier to listen to other operators.  When a net
starts, control will often start out with a series of V's to give
everyone a target to zero beat with.

Hope this helps.

        /J

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Price N3QYE)
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Subject: Re: What is "Netting/Zero beatting" ?
Date: 10 Jul 1995 02:34:43 GMT
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BUDDY10 ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Can someone explain these two terms to me as they apply to CW operation ?
: Thanks !

Netting?  Dunno.
Zero Beating -- matching your transmit freq to that of the person you're
communicating with.  This is easy with voice -- adjust RX freq until the
voice sounds right and transmit on same.  To do this on CW, you need to know
what the tone should sound like (not too high or low).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Price, ARS N3QYE                         Don't blame me.
[e-mail]                  I voted for Emma Goldman.


From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Deric Eldredge)
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Subject: Who do I contact Landwehr?
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 01:38:51 GMT
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        I need to get a Landwehr 2m pre-amp fixed. Can anyone help me find
them?

Thanks

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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dick Hale)
Subject: Re: ZA/OK5DX
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 > From: [e-mail] (Larry M. Weissman, X3722)
 > Reply-To: [e-mail]
 >
 >
 > Did anybody contact ZA/OK5DX during the CQ WPX CW contest,
 > or at any other time? I can't find any info on this call.
 >
 > Is his name Slim, or is he/she legit? Thanks.
I think this is the same fellow that runs RG8U. His name is Beldon and
his wifes' call is C0AX. Let me know if you work him again..
 Best 73; Boo, GH0S



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From: [e-mail] (David McBurney)
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 95 12:31:11 EST
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Subject: Suncoast ceases touring
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Since I haven't seen anyone else post this, I thought I would mention
that
Suncoast Sound has ceased touring this year due to a lack of money.
Apparently, the corps is helping the members join other corps if they
desire, otherwise, they will be back in Florida sometime Monday.  The
board member my wife talked to said that Suncoast plans on fielding a
corps next year, I imagine depending on the financial situation.  I know
that they have not had much luck with fundraisers this year, and lost
a
bundle on their rained out show, but I sure wish that they would have
toured later, rather than try it now and not finish the season.  I really
hope that this is a temporary setback for the corps.
Dave



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From [e-mail] Tue Jul 11 23:14:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Derek Wills)
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Subject: ZA/OK5DX
Date: 9 Jul 1995 19:06:18 GMT
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Someone said:

 >> Reply-To: [e-mail]
 >>
 >> Did anybody contact ZA/OK5DX during the CQ WPX CW contest,
 >> or at any other time? I can't find any info on this call.
 >>
 >> Is his name Slim, or is he/she legit? Thanks.

> I think this is the same fellow that runs RG8U. His name is
> Beldon and his wifes' call is C0AX. Let me know if you work him again..

This op was in the IARU contest this weekend, and I see no reason
to question the call.   ZA is not rare anymore, and there are plenty
of ops who use ZA/own-call legitimately.  The fashionable pirates
these days use 3A or 5A calls.

Admittedly, the only OK5 calls I have heard on the air have had
one-letter suffixes, so you can still worry about it if you want
to.   Best thing to do would be to send a card via the OK bureau,
and meanwhile work several of the other ZAs who are active daily.

Derek Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
Department of Astronomy, University of Texas,
Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:01 1995
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SUBJ: IPS MONTHLY REPORT - JUNE 1995
ISSUED BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.

1.     SOLAR-GEOPHYSICAL INDICES

                 SOLAR  LEARMONTH     AUST
Day         10 cm flux   A-INDEX   T INDEX
01 Jun           71      21         -6
02 Jun           73      13          4
03 Jun           75      15          8
04 Jun           79       6         13
05 Jun           82       4         18
06 Jun           79       6         32
07 Jun           82       5         31
08 Jun           84       3         31
09 Jun           86       4         31
10 Jun           84       5         39
11 Jun           83       4         41
12 Jun           81       3         32
13 Jun           77       2         28
14 Jun           76       8         36
15 Jun           73       5         30
16 Jun           71      10         25
17 Jun           70       5         20
18 Jun           70       8         29
19 Jun           71      17         23
20 Jun           72      15         21
21 Jun           72      10         20
22 Jun           73       7         22
23 Jun           72       7         23
24 Jun           71       5         30
25 Jun           71      14         22
26 Jun           71      11         32
27 Jun           72       6         22
28 Jun           74       8         23
29 Jun           78       7         21
30 Jun           78      15         19


              10 CM  FLUX  SUNSPOT  NUMBER   A-INDEX     AUST    FLARES
                                            LEARMONTH    T  INDEX
                Monthly  Monthly    Yearly   Monthly     Monthly   >M1.0
Month           Average  Average   Average   Average     Average
Jun         94     77.2     28.1      30.8      17.3        33.8       1
Jul         94     80.5     35.0      28.5      13.1        31.1       1
Aug         94     76.1     22.8      26.8       8.8        23.5       8
Sep         94     78.6     26.7      26.6       9.6        24.8       0
Oct         94     87.7     43.8      26.5      15.0        12.1       1
Nov         94     80.9     18.0      26.3      10.5        25.3       0
Dec         94     84.1     26.7      25.7      10.5        24.5       1
Jan         95     82.7     23.8     *24.4      10.9        18.6       0
Feb         95     85.6     29.9     *23.3      11.0        30.3       4
Mar         95     85.1     31.1     *22.6      11.7        28.0       1
Apr         95     77.7     14.6     *20.9      10.9        24.0       2
May         95     75.6     14.7     *19.4      13.7        15.4       0
June        95     75.7     15.8     *18.6       8.3        24.0       0

IPS Predicted (Yearly Smoothed) Sunspot Numbers (*)

Latest T-Indices for IPS Advanced Stand-Alone Prediction System-(ASAPS)

Last update: May 1995 Solar-Geophysical Summary

Year    Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
1990    151 128 134 129 127 138 137 138 142 136 123 133
1991    143 175 170 163 136 121 141 124 135 130 121 130
1992    153 173 156 134  96  80  89  66  68  67  84  89
1993     75  77  80  64  62  64  61  49  37  40  34  43
1994     59  42  44  30  20  20  25  19  21   9  14  15
1995     14  23  24  18  14* 14* 13* 12* 11* 10*  8*  8*
1996      8*  8*  7*  7*  7*  8*  8*  9* 10* 11* 13* 14*
1997     16* 18* 20* 23* 25* 29* 32* 37* 42* 48* 53* 59*

Asterisk indicates predicted value.

The IPS Monthly T-index is derived from the observed monthly median values
of foF2 for each hour at up to 40 ionospheric stations worldwide.
These records become available from IPS stations in Australia very soon after
each month, but the majority are received up to one year later.
This means that the exact observed value of the monthly T-index is not
available until some months later.

The predicted smoothed monthly T-indices are computed by using a statistical
analysis of the observed monthly T-indices for all solar cycles since 1938.
The IPS T-indices may not be updated each month but only when sufficient new
data becomes available.

===============================================================================

2.     FLARES AND SHORT-WAVE FADEOUTS - NONE

2.1     Comments on Solar Activity.
Solar activity was at predominately very low levels for June.

The monthly sunspot number in June was 15.8, which is the 3rd lowest in the
decline of this solar cycle (only 14.6, April 95 and 14.7, May 95, were
lower). This low sunspot number is the 3rd month in a row of such low values,
confirming a trend downwards in the cycle.

===============================================================================

3.     GEOMAGNETIC DISTURBANCES              (for Learmonth, WA)

DATE                     COMMENTS
1  Jun 95       active to minor storm
3  Jun 95       unsettled
19 Jun 95       unsettled to active
20 Jun 95       quiet to active

Recurrent geomagnetic activity observed 18-20 June was generally stronger this
rotation than during past rotations. However, the other major recurrent pattern
of recent times did not assert itself as expected over the period 26-30 June.

===============================================================================

4.     IONOSPHERIC DISTURBANCES              (for Sydney)

DATE         T     MUFs
1 Jun 95:       10 to 15% below predicted monthly values

The lack of ionospheric depressions in June continued the trend noted last
month. However, mid to high latitude propagation conditions may have been
degraded during the month, despite the absence of significant geomagnetic
activity.

===============================================================================

5.     IPS WARNINGS AND ALERTS ISSUED

WARNINGS:
HF RADIO WARNING:
ISSUE DATE      NO       BEGIN           END
 9 Jun 95       19      12 Jun 95       13 Jun 95
21 Jun 95       20      26 Jun 95       28 Jun 95


GEOMAGNETIC WARNING:
ISSUE DATE      NO       BEGIN           END
 8 Jun 95       16      12 Jun 95       13 Jun 95
21 Jun 95       17      26 Jun 95       30 Jun 95

ALERTS: NONE

SWF ALERTS AND DURATION REPORTS
DATE    SWF BEGIN-END (UT)
NONE.
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 09/2330Z JULY 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 09 JULY AND FORECAST FOR 10 JULY - 12 JULY
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  80/20

GOES satellite data for 08 Jul
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   6.3E+04
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 1.3E+07 (normal)
       X-ray background: A6.4
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             10 Jul             11 Jul             12 Jul
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 10 Jul:  80/20

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 08 Jul
    Learmonth        7  2222 2312
    Fredericksburg   4                           4
    Planetary        5                           5

Observed Kp for 08 Jul: 0122 3332
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
10 Jul     8    Quiet
11 Jul     8    Quiet
12 Jul     8    Quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
09 Jul      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
10 Jul      normal         normal         normal
11 Jul      normal         normal         normal
12 Jul      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
09 Jul    26    near predicted monthly values

Predicted Monthly T index for July: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
10 Jul    20    Near predicted monthly values
11 Jul    20    Near predicted monthly values
12 Jul    20    Near predicted monthly values

COMMENT: Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with some night-time
Spread F observed.

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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 10/2330Z JULY 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 10 JULY AND FORECAST FOR 11 JULY - 13 JULY
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  77/16

GOES satellite data for 09 Jul
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   7.1E+04
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.9E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 8.7E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A4.9
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             11 Jul             12 Jul             13 Jul
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 11 Jul:  76/14

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 09 Jul
    Learmonth        3  2112 1011
    Fredericksburg   2                           4
    Planetary        3                           5

Observed Kp for 09 Jul: 1102 3221
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
11 Jul     6    Quiet
12 Jul     8    Quiet
13 Jul    12    Quiet to unsettled

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
10 Jul      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
11 Jul      normal         normal         normal
12 Jul      normal         normal         normal
13 Jul      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
10 Jul    21    near predicted monthly values, with regular Spread F
observed.

Predicted Monthly T index for July: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
11 Jul    15    Near predicted monthly values
12 Jul    15    Near predicted monthly values
13 Jul    15    Near predicted monthly values

COMMENT: Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values. Hobart MUFs:
near predicted monthly values.

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Wagga Field Day

    The  Wagga  Amateur Radio Club will be holding its  1995  Riverina
    Field Day on the 6th August 95.  The venue will be the Police Cit-
    izens Youth Club Gurwood Street Wagga commencing at 9.00 am.

    The  entrance  fee will be $6.00 for adults and $4.00  for  senior
    cardholders and pensioners, school children free.

    There   will   be  the  usual  displays   from   Daycom,   Andrews
    Communications,  Melbourne  Satellites,  Strictly  Ham,  ATV,  ATN
    Antennas,  Icom.  There  will  be demonstrations of the latest  in
    mobile  antennas from ATN and also the latest from Wally VK4DA  on
    ARDF. There will be a mobile foxhunt around the city so bring your
    gear with you.

    Disposal tables will be available on site for selling and buying.

    Food and drinks will be available from the club and if you  desire
    something a little stronger the leagues club is across the road.

    There  will be convention dinner on Saturday 5th August so if  any
    one  wishing  to attend could they please let me know on the  23rd
    July  as we have to make the booking.  The cost of dinner will  be
    $16.50  and if you book and cannot make it please let us  know  by
    the  30th July as we have to pay for the number booked whether you
    turn up or not. So please let us know.

    Accommodation  is available at the PCYG for $8.00 per night  which
    includes  a  hot  breakfast,  so  bring  your  sleeping  gear,  or
    accommodation is available at the Junction Motel or at any of  the
    many motels, hotels and caravan parks.

    Directions on the day will be available on 146.750 Ch3 on the day.

    For  more  information  contact Paul VK2KVY on 069  243009  or  on
    packet on VK2KVY @VK2KAW and we will get straight back to you with
    the information you request.

    73's Paul President WARC


VK2 WICEN news

    VK2 WICEN News

    Members with access to Internet ought to be aware that following
    a  re-arrangement  of the "aus.radio"  hierarchy,  the  new  WICEN
    newsgroup is now "aus.radio.amateur.wicen".

    Central Coast WICEN will be holding their AGM on Friday, in the
    Central Coast Amateur Radio clubrooms, Dandaloo St, Kariong; the
    meeting will commence at 8pm.  This will be followed by the Hunter
    meeting  on  the 17th,  conducted by Pauline  VK2GTB.   The  State
    Annual  General Meeting is Sunday 30th July,  at Hornsby RSL Club,
    and of course the bar afterwards;  all are welcome.  There will be
    further  details  in  a later broadcast,  and  of  course  in  the
    newsletter as well.

    The next major event is the annual City to Surf Fun Run, on 13th
    August, for which David Shaw VK2TIP is the event commander.  He
    needs  quite  a  number of people for this race,  and  he  can  be
    contacted  at  home on [phone] or at work on (02)  588-5100.
    This is followed by the Shahzada Horse Enduro,  run by Andy VK2XRX
    over 21st-25th August.

    WICEN is always looking for members to provide the community with
    communications assistance.  Write to WICEN (NSW) Inc, PO Box 123,
    St Leonards 2065 for further information, or come up on one of the
    WICEN nets: Blue Mountains each Monday at 8.30pm on 7175 simplex,
    Northern  Rivers  each  Tuesday  at 8pm around  3610  kHz  on  odd
    Tuesdays  and the Lismore repeater 6800 on even  Tuesdays,  Hunter
    each  Wednesday  at 7.30pm on the  Newcastle  repeater  6900,  the
    State-wide  HF  net  each  Wednesday at 8.30pm  around  3610  kHz,
    Central Coast each Thursday at 8.30pm on the Wyong repeater  7125,
    and  Sydney  each  Thursday at 9.30pm on  the  Chatswood  repeater
    7150/8275.

    -- Dave VK2KFU, WICEN (NSW) Inc. Publicity Officer/ex


News briefs

                             NEWS BRIEFS

    Communications news is in somewhat short supply this week, so
    to fill the gap, we remind you that the Red Cross is still
    urgently looking for donors to bring blood stocks back up to
    safe levels. Please give up an hour of your time, and half-a-litre
    of blood this week.

    (A public service announcement from Richard VK2SKY, who will make
    his 36th plasma donation this week)


IPS report

               IPS WEEKLY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
                         (30 JUNE - 06 JULY)

    ISSUED ON 07 JULY 1995

    SUMMARY

    Date     30    01    02    03    04    05    06
    10cm     78    79    78    78    81    80    80
    A        17    12     6    12     8     2   (5)
    T        19    35    25    29    33    28    27

    SOLAR ACTIVITY WAS LOW ON 2ND JULY AND VERY LOW FOR THE REMAINDER
    OF THE PERIOD.

    THE GEOMAGNETIC FIELD AT LEARMONTH (W.A.) WAS QUIET 2ND AND 3RD
    JULY, AND 5TH TO 6TH; QUIET TO UNSETTLED ON 1ST AND 4TH, WITH 30TH
    JUNE QUIET TO 0900UT, THEN UNSETTLED TO ACTIVE FOR THE REMAINDER
    OF THE UT DAY.

    IONOSPHERIC F2 CRITICAL FREQUENCIES DURING THE PERIOD WERE NEAR
    PREDICTED MONTHLY VALUES, EXCEPT FOR 1ST JULY WHEN LOCAL NIGHT-
    TIME FREQUENCIES WERE ENHANCED BY UP TO 40 PER CENT. REGULAR
    SPORADIC E LAYER WAS PRESENT ON 2ND AND 3RD, AND SPREAD F WAS
    OBSERVED DURING LOCAL NIGHT ON 3RD, 4TH AND 6TH JULY.

                      FORECAST (07 JULY - 13 JULY)

    SOLAR:        VERY LOW.
    GEOMAGNETIC:  QUIET.
    IONOSPHERIC:  NEAR PREDICTED MONTHLY VALUES.

    COURTESY OF THE IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES

    SUMMARY BY PAT VK2JPA ANARTS BROADCAST OFFICER


Special event station

                       SPECIAL EVENT STATION

    SPECIAL EVENT STATION VI50PEACE ACTIVE FROM AUGUST 1st TO  OCTOBER
    31st 1995.

    CELEBRATING   THE   50  YEAR  ANNIVERSARY  OF  THE  CESSATION   OF
    HOSTILITIES  OF WORLD WAR II AND IN REMEMBRANCE OF THE  MEN  WOMEN
    AND CHILDREN WHO LOST THEIR LIVES DURING TIME OF WAR.

    Look  for full particulars re:- Special Award and QSL in QST,  CQ,
    World  Radio,  Amateur  Radio  and  all  other  world  wide  Radio
    Magazines.

    SPECIAL AWARD 5DB US,  OR 5 IRC'S TO ASSIST WITH PRINTING AND  AIR
    POSTAGE..FOR QSL ONLY,either,SASE,1DB or IRC.

           Hervey Bay ARC.Box 829 Hervey Bay Qld.4655 AUSTRALIA.

    Frequencies. 1.820, 3.615,7.058, 10.150, 14.215, 18.120, 21.195,
    24.945,   28.580,   50.110,   144.100   MHz  SSB,   and  usual  CW
    Frequencies..

    DX Nets & Also above 14.225 MHz for USA General Class.

    PACKET.....PEACE @ VK4GRC.#HER.QLD.AUS.OC

    ONE CONTACT ONLY TO QUALIFY FOR AUSTRALIA REMEMBERS AWARD.

    --VK4OH, for the Hervey Bay Amateur Radio Club


Help with STC rx

    Help wanted

    Brendan  Winter VK2TGR requires technical information and  circuit
    diagrams for SSTC HF receiver Group 2A type A.679H.

    Telephone: (home)  045 721408
               (work)   02 8416993


NTAC request

    NTAC news

    Ian  Rosser  VK2XB  has requested that if any clubs have  not  yet
    received  their  applications  back from the  SMA  for  repeaters,
    links,  or changes of frequencies,  or whatever, would they please
    provide him with all relevant information as soon as possible.


Club news: Liverpool

    The  auction held yesterday (8th July) by the Liverpool Radio Club
    was  a great success and the committee wishes to thank  all  those
    who  participated  for helping to make it a fun day.  We hope  you
    went home with something precious and useful or else it will  turn
    up at the next auction.

    The  next general meeting will be on Wednesday night where we will
    probably spend much of the evening patting each other on the  back
    and planning the next event.

    The venue as usual will be the hall at the Glenfield Scout Camp in
    Cambridge Avenue at Gelnfield, just off Moorebank Rd.

    See you there at 7:30pm.

    Brad VK2QQ Publicity Officer


Club news: Manly-Warringah

    Members of the MANLY-WARRINGAH RADIO SOCIETY are reminded that the
    Society's  Annual General Meeting will take place on Wednesday  12
    July, at the Warringah Volunteer Services Centre, Terrey Hills.

    The meeting starts at 8pm,  and all club members are encouraged to
    attend, and hopefully nominate for Committee positions as well!

    See you there!

    --Richard VK2SKY, MWRS Publicity Officer


Club news: Waverley

                        WAVERLEY AMATEUR RADIO SOCIETY

    THE  NEXT MEETING OF THE SOCIETY WILL BE ON WEDNESDAY 19TH JULY AT
    7:30 PM AT THE CLUB HOUSE IN VICKERY AVENUE,  ROSE BAY,  NEXT DOOR
    TO THE R.S.L CLUB. DOORS OPEN AT 7:00 PM.

    THE  MAIN ITEM FOR THE EVENING WILL BE A TALK BY  RICHARD  SOULIE,
    VK2ARS, ON HOME-BREW EQUIPMENT.

    PLEASE  NOTE ALSO THAT THE SOCIETY'S PREMISES WILL BE OPEN  DURING
    THE  AFTERNOON  OF THE FIRST SATURDAY OF EACH MONTH FROM 1:00  PM,
    PROVIDING  A  GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR A GET-TOGETHER OR  TO  USE  THE
    CLUB'S LIBRARY OR EQUIPMENT.

    THE  SOCIETY NOW CONDUCTS BOTH THEORY AND MORSE CLASSES AS WELL AS
    AMATEUR EXAMS. DETAILS OF THESE CAN BE OBTAINED FROM GRANT ON 319-
    1913.

    --SIMON BUXTON - VK2EII - PUBLICITY OFFICER


CLUB news: SPARC

      The next meeting of the Sydney Progressive Amateur Radio Club

                                  SPARC

    will  be  held on Wednesday the 13th July 1995 at 7.30 pm  at  the
    club  rooms.  These  are located at  Middlemiss  Street,  Milson's
    Point,  in  the  first  arch below the railway line  (  the  State
    Emergency  Services headquarters for North Sydney) and immediately
    to the north of Lavender Street.

    Our  guest speaker will be the current Treasurer of  SPARC,  Danny
    Butler VK2KDG who will be describing the construction of a  Baycom
    packet  system  based  on the board available from  RCS.  If  time
    permits,  Peter,  VK2AQJ  will be presenting a nostalgic  look  at
    100  years  of  portable radio  communications,  illustrated  with
    slides.

    Refreshments are available and all are welcome.

    Peter Jensen VK2AQJ, President


Club news: CCARC

    The Central Coast Amateur Radio Club,  in conjunction with Central
    Coast  WICEN will be holding a joint Lecture night on Friday  21st
    July.  The  Lecturer  will be Mr.  Ray Lotty,  Emergency  Services
    Chaplain.

    Ray  will be speaking on stresses on Emergency Services  personnel
    due  to  involvement  in emergency incidents  such  as  bushfires,
    floods,  accidents,  etc.  Since WICEN and Amateur Radio personnel
    may be involved in these situations,  what Ray has to say is  felt
    to be most applicable.

    Members  of the Central Coast Amateur Radio Club and Central Coast
    WICEN, as well as any interested visitors, are invited to attend.

    The lecture will commence at 8.00 p.m.  on Friday 21st  July,  and
    will  be  held at the Central Coast Amateur Radio Club  Rooms,  in
    Dandaloo Street, Kariong.

    from: Bob Fitzgerald, VK2XRF


Club news : St George

    From the St George Amateur Radio Society Inc.

    The Society will run its tenth annual 80 metre contest next Friday
    evening the 14th of July 1995.

    Although  this  short  4 hour contest is restricted to  St  George
    members, it does present a great opportunity to non-members of the
    Society  to  qualify  for the issue of a St George  Award  and  of
    course to have some fun.

    Contest rules are as follows:

    Start: 8pm local time, Friday 14th July.
    Finish: Midnight local time, same night.
    Duration of contest: 4 hours.

    The  contest  is confined to the 80 metre band and  in  the  areas
    specified by the individual licence and authorised power output.

    St George Amateur Radio Society Inc.  members only are eligible to
    participate  and  the  contest operates on the principle  of  "one
    station one contact".

    Scoring is as follows:

    Contact with another Society member .................... 1 point.
    VK2 contacts............................................ 2 points.
    VK1 contacts............................................ 3 points.
    Club callsigns - VK2LE or VK2ALE........................ 4 points.
    VK3 or VK4.............................................. 5 points.
    VK5 or VK7.............................................. 6 points.
    VK6 or VK8.............................................. 7 points.
    ZL or DX stations.......................................10 points.
    VK0 or VK9 stations.....................................15 points.

    Contacts using CW score one point extra per contact to the above.

    Signed  copies  of  log entries stating  that  the  conestant  has
    complied  with  the  rules  and spirit of the  contest  should  be
    forwarded to:

    The Contest Manager
    St George Amateur Radio Society Inc.
    PO Box 530
    Engadine N.S.W.  2233.

    Logs should be posted so that they arrive before Friday the 4th of
    August 1995.

    Winners  for  1st,  2nd & 3rd positions will be announced  at  the
    Society's September monthly meeting.

    As  mentioned this contest presents an ideal opportunity for  non-
    members  to qualify for a St George Award.  A brief resume of  the
    award rules are:

    All modes and bands permitted, but not through a repeater.

    Ten  points  for  an Australian station and  five  points  for  an
    overseas station are required to qualify.

    One  point is scored for every St George member contacted and  two
    points  for the single mandatory contact required with one of  the
    club  station nets,  VK2LE portable or VK2ALE  portable.  Multiple
    contacts do not score.

    Entries  should  be forwarded to the Awards Manager at  the  above
    address.

    From Allan VK2XF, SGARS Inc. Publicity Officer


Club news: Great Lakes

    The   Annual  General  Meeting  of  the  Great  Lakes  Radio  Club
    Incorporated will be held at the Forster-Tuncurry Adult  Education
    Centre  in Lake Street,  Tuncurry,  on Friday 25th  August,  1995,
    commencing at 7.30 p.m. It will be followed by the regular monthly
    meeting. Neither meeting is expected to be very long, and will, at
    their  conclusion,  be  followed  by a light supper  and  informal
    discussion.

    The Great Lakes 2-metre voice repeater,  VK2RGL,  on 147.375  MHz,
    continues  to  be plagued by pager interference,  which  has  been
    confirmed  as a transmitted intermodulation product,  believed  to
    originate  from two co-sited pagers at Mt.  Elliott near  Gosford.
    The  SMA  has  been investigating this problem for some  time  and
    advice  is  expected in the near future as to whether  it  can  be
    eliminated or a frequency change required.

    Our  packet  UHF  transceiver has been repaired  and  returned  to
    service.  Apologies  are  extended  for its absence from  the  UHF
    backbone.

    The CB UHF channel 4 repeater operated by this club had its  masts
    and  aerials demolished by fierce storms on 16th July (sic).  Work
    is  now in progress to restore this repeater and also  to  improve
    its performance.

    Other  constructional  work is in abeyance pending the issuing  of
    repeater  licences applied for at the beginning of  the  year.  In
    response  to a packet request from the NTAC chirman,  full details
    of  these applications have again been forwarded and early  action
    is anticipated.

    Stan Ellis, VK2DDL


Coming events

                          COMING EVENTS

    Illawarra ARC Annual General Meeting . . . . . . . . . . . . Tuesday
    Manly-Warringah Radio Society AGM  . . . . . . . . . . . . Wednesday
    Sydney Progressive ARC meeting . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Wednesday
    Space Shuttle mission STS-70 launch  . . . . . . . . . . .  Thursday
    WICEN Central Coast meeting at Wyong (David VK2UDT) . . . . . Friday
    St George ARS 80m Contest . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Friday
    IARU Region 3 ARDF Championships in Townsville  . .  Saturday-Sunday
    Hunter WICEN meeting (Pauline VK2GTB) . . . . . . . . . . .  17 July
    Brisbane phone numbers get an extra '3' prefix  . . . . . .  17 July
    NADC Communications Technology Conference (Cairns)  . . . 19-21 July
    Radio Veterans meeting at Parramatta  . . . . . . . . . . .  20 July
    Central Coast ARC / WICEN meeting . . . . . . . . . . . . .  21 July
    Sydney's North Shore & Northern Beaches phones extra 9 prefix 24 July
    Workshop on Applications of Radio Science (Canberra)  . . 25-27 July
    WICEN Annual General Meeting  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  30 July
    Space Shuttle mission STS-69 launch . . . . . . . . . . . .  30 July
    WICEN Goulburn Training Seminar . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ? August
    STS-70 Shuttle flight (SAREX) . . . delayed until sometime in August
    Special Event Station VI50PEACE active  . . .  1 August - 31 October
    Wagga ARC Convention Dinner . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 August
    Wagga ARC Riverina Field Day  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 August

    If  you  have  an  event  you'd  like  publicised  on  the  weekly
    broadcast,  then  please send details to the Divisional  Broadcast
    Officer,  Michael Corbin VK2YC,  by phone on [phone], by fax
    on [phone], or on packet to VK2SKY @ VK2AAB.

    Items can also be forwarded to the Divisional Office before close
    of business on the Friday before the broadcast.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    VK2WI Broadcast, 9th July 1995. Copyright 1995 WIA (NSW) &
    contributors.   Material  may  be used elsewhere if the source  is
    acknowledged.

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[ ANARTS - Australian National Amateur Radio Teletype Society ]

ANARTS News Bulletin 866 9th July 1995

Enquiries    to   the   society  should  be    addressed    to
the  Secretary  A.N.A.R.T.S., PO  Box   860,    Crows    Nest,
N.S.W.     2065,  accompanied  by s.a.s.e.,   or to VK2JPA  at
VK2AAB.    if  you  have  any    news   or   information   for
inclusion  in  a  subsequent broadcast then please send to the
Broadcast  Officer,  PO  Box 60 Blacktown  2148 or address  to
VK2JPA at VK2AAB.

Views  expressed  in  this news bulletin are  not  necessarily
those of the Broadcast Officer, the Relay Officers, or of the
Society.

--------------------------------------------------------------

R.A.O.T.C. (W.A.) SOCIAL MEETINGS

CASCADES MEETINGS ARE HELD ON THE 2ND TUESDAY OF THE MONTH  AT
231  GUILDFORD ROAD MAYLANDS,  AT THE CASCADES  TAVERN.  EVERY
ONE IS WELCOME TO ATTEND .. AND THIS MEANS EVERY ONE.

THESE ARE LUNCHTIME MEETINGS, AS FAR AS i KNOW, AND IF YOU ARE
VISITING  THE WEST FROM OTHER PARTS OF AUSTRALIA,  WHAT BETTER
WAY  OF  GETTING TO MEET SOME OF THE ESTABLISHED  AMATEURS  IN
PERTH.

              --------------------------------

AN INTERESTING ITEM FROM PACKET...

Pactor and C64

Gidday All,

Some time ago I advised that there might be a Software Upgrade
to ,QBF, to allow the Pactor mode to be used with the C64.

Well,I  have just been advised by a fellow Amateur in  Germany
that the Author of ,QBF, has started on this already and hopes
to have a working version ready in about 2 months time.......

Lets say about September/November.

Anyhow as soon as I get more info from the Author I will place
a bulletin for all to read.

Dont throw the ol C64 away yet!!

73s..Don..VK2DW @VK2DW.NSW.AUS.OC

THANKS TO CLEM VK6CW FOR THAT ITEM

              ----------------------------------

640K OUGHT TO BE ENOUGH FOR ANYBODY -- BILL GATES, 1981

              ---------------------------------

BARTG AMTOR/PACTOR CONTEST JULY 8-9 1995 (CONT.)

CONTEST PERIOD:

  AMTOR: FROM 0000Z SATURDAY TO 0000Z SUNDAY (24 HOURS)
  PACTOR: FROM 0000A SUNDAY TO 0000Z MONDAY (24 HOURS)

     NO REST PERIODS REQUIRED.

LOGS:  USE  SEPARATE LOGSHEETS FOR EACH BAND.  LOGS MUST SHOW:
BAND,   DATE  AND  TIME,  MODE,  CALLSIGN,  MESSAGE  SENT  AND
RECEIVED,  NEW MULTS,  AND POINTS CLAIMED.  SUMMARY SHEET MUST
SHOW  FULL SCORING,  TIMES OF ALL MULTI-OP STATION  OPERATORS.
ANY  INCOMPLETE  ENTRIES  WILL BE CLASSIFIED  AS  CHECK  LOGS.
COMPUTER  GENERATED LOGS CONTAINING ALL SPECIFIED  INFORMATION
ARE WELCOME.

DEADLINE:  ALL  LOGS  MUST  BE  RECEIVED BY  SEPTEMBER  10  TO

    JOHN BARBER G4SKA
    PO BOX 8
    TIVERTON, DEVON
    EX16 5YU, ENGLAND

AWARDS:  TROPHIES  WILL BE AWARDED TO THE WINNING STATIONS  IN
EACH CATEGORY,  AND CERTIFICATES WILL BE AWARDED TO THE TOP  3
STATIONS  IN EACH CATEGORY AND THE TOP 3 SINGLE OPERATORS  FOR
EACH MODE IN EACH CONTINENT.

YOUR COMMENTS ON THE CONTEST WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED. PLEASE
INCLUDE THEM WITH YOUR LOG.

BEST OF LUCK, BOTH FOR THE CONTEST AND BAND CONDITIONS.

              ---------------------------------

           IPS WEEKLY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
                     (30 JUNE - 06 JULY)

ISSUED ON 07 JULY 1995

SUMMARY
Date     30    01    02    03    04    05    06
10cm     78    79    78    78    81    80    80
A        17    12     6    12     8     2   (5)
T        19    35    25    29    33    28    27

SOLAR  ACTIVITY  WAS  LOW  ON 2ND JULY AND VERY  LOW  FOR  THE
REMAINDER OF THE PERIOD.

THE  GEOMAGNETIC FIELD AT LEARMONTH (W.A.) WAS QUIET  2ND  AND
3RD JULY,  AND 5TH TO 6TH;  QUIET TO UNSETTLED ON 1ST AND 4TH,
WITH  30TH JUNE QUIET TO 0900UT,  THEN UNSETTLED TO ACTIVE FOR
THE REMAINDER OF THE UT DAY.

IONOSPHERIC  F2  CRITICAL FREQUENCIES DURING THE  PERIOD  WERE
NEAR PREDICTED MONTHLY VALUES,  EXCEPT FOR 1ST JULY WHEN LOCAL
NIGHT-TIME  FREQUENCIES  WERE ENHANCED BY UP TO 40  PER  CENT.
REGULAR  SPORADIC  E LAYER WAS PRESENT ON  2ND  AND  3RD,  AND
SPREAD  F WAS OBSERVED DURING LOCAL NIGHT ON 3RD,  4TH AND 6TH
JULY.

                  FORECAST (07 JULY - 13 JULY)

SOLAR:        VERY LOW.
GEOMAGNETIC:  QUIET.
IONOSPHERIC:    NEAR  PREDICTED  MONTHLY  VALUES.

COURTESY OF THE IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES

           ---------------------------------------

PRESS ANY KEY TO CONTINUE OR ANY OTHER KEY TO QUIT ...

            --------------------------------------

RTDX0630 RTTY DX

VK2SG RTTY DX NOTES FOR WEEKENDING 30 JUNE 95 (BID RTDX0630)
OUR THANKS THIS WEEK GO TO: ZS5S, W2JGR, WB2CJL, K0IR, AA5AU,
WX5L, JH2PDS/1, JF1MGI, JE2UFF, IK1CJO, I1JQJ AND  THE 425 DX
GANG, I5IGQ, DJ3IW AND THE CENT-EUROPE DXCLUSTER NODE DB0SPC,
THE NJ0M NODE OF MINNESOTA AND IK5PWJ PACKETCLUSTER.

BANDPASS:

FRIDAY 23

0054-14083 CT1AUR
1201-14089 UX0KN
2103-14084 KP2/N9NCX
2122-14080 CO2KG
2250-14081 SP5GRM QSL SP5ES

SATURDAY 24

0053-14083 CT1AUR
0054-14086 4X6UO
0136-14088 UN5PR
1520-14083 BV7WB
1627-14088 EX2U
1824-14081 CX7BF
2918-14087 9U/F6IQA
2029-14086 PJ2MI
2030-14081 CE8SFG
2122-14085 ZA1MH
2147-14090 HK0DPA
2153-14084 8P6QA
2200-14083 XE3ARV
2241-14082 AZ7FAF

SUNDAY 25

0936-14090 AL7OC
1334-14084 KP2/N9NCX
1337-14088 VP5VRY
1416-14087 9U/F6IQA QSL VIA F6IQA
1538-14084 T94NF
1550-14085 IS0UGR
1551-14084 DA0WCY
1601-14084 5R8DG
1611-14087 TK/DK9CG
1738-14081 VP8CQS
1757-14086 CE8SFG
1811-14084 BV7WD
1820-14090 TY1PS
1932-14087 9U/F6IQA
2010-14088 CE8SFG
2143-14082 TU4EY

MONDAY 26

1714-14084 UN7GY
2021-14085 J8/LA4LN FOR QSL SEE RTDX0623
2202-14085 KP2/N9NCX

TUESDAY 27

1641-14087 5R8DG
1722-14084 GM0MAZ
2040-14087 OZ1CQX
2115-14085 YT7CC
2211-14088 KP2/N9NCX
2222-14088 UX4UA
2334-14083 J8/LA4LN

WEDNESDAY 28

0156-14088 UA1OJ/UA9Q QSL POB 27, SEVERODINSK, 164500 RUSSIA
                      (QTH IS SHADRINSK)
0300-14083 XE1BEF
1830-14080 8P6SA
2356-14083 3V8BB

THURSDAY 29

0030-14086 HK4CZE
0143-14083 3V8BB
1118-14084 VP2VE
1642-14089 UA2FAC

NOTES OF INTEREST:

HEARD IS, VK0. FOR SEVERALL MONTHS RALPH, K0IR AND PART OF THE
FAMOUS  3Y0PI  TEAM HAS WORKED ON THIS  GOAL.   FIRST   REPORT
ISSUED  STATES OPERATION FROM NOVEMBER 12 UP TO 1ST  DECEMBER.
STAY TUNED ON THE UPDATING BULLETINS FOR MORE DETAILS.  IN THE
MEANWHILE DO NOT FORGET TO SUPPORT THE TEAM.  DONATIONS CAN BE
SENT  FOR USA TO K0IR HEARD ISLAND  DXPEDITION,  P.O.BOX  563,
WAITE  PARK,  MN  56387-0563  AND FOR EUROPE  TO  ON6TT  PETER
CASIER, B-9230 MELLE(BELGIUM)

TUNISIA,  3V8.  JA2PDQ, WHO HAS BEEN  RTTY OPERATOR IS LEAVING
3V  TO GO HOME TO JAPAN MONDAY 3 JULY.   THIS WEEKEND IS  LAST
CHANCE FOR RTTY OR CW AT 3V8BB UNTIL VISIT OF OE6EEG IN  EARLY
AUGUST.  LISTEN  SATURDAY  AND SUNDAY  BETWEEN 1700Z AND 2000Z
FOR RTTY OR CW FROM 3V8BB.

BENIN,  TY.   KEN,  WA4OBO,  WILL BE QRV FOR SHORTH PERIOD BUT
FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS AS TY8OBO.THIS LICENSE CONTRARY OF  HIS
FORMER TT8OBO SEEMS TO BE VALID. ACTIVITY WILL BE SPECIALLY ON
SSB WITH POSSIBILITY RTTY ON ALL BANDS.

THE  VK2SG  RTTY  DXNOTES ARE ALSO AVAILABLE ON  INTERNET  VIA
TELNET    OR    FTP   AT    AB6Z.AMPR.ORG,    AT    REFLECTORS
[e-mail],  AND  [e-mail].   SEE  ALSO
THE OH2BUA WEBCLUSTER AT URL

     HTTP://WWW.CLINET.FI/9JUKKA/WEBCLUSTER.HTML

FOR  NEXT WEEK'S BULLETIN SEND YOUR BANDPASS TO BOB,  WB2CJL @
W5KSI.#NOLA.LA.USA.NA.

GL DE (DX2) LUCIANO, I5FLN @ ZS5S.ZAF.AF

      --------------------------------------------------

ULTIMATE OFFICE AUTOMATION: NETWORK COFFEE ...

        ----------------------------------------------

EXTRACTS FROM THE OHIO/PENN DXNEWS 030795

5X & 5Z,  UGANDA AND KENYA.  Paul,  5Z4FO, is currently active
from  Kenya,  but plans to be active as 5X1MW from Uganda when
he leaves Kenya in July. QSL via KB4EKY.

BV9G,  GREEN  ISLAND (TAIWAN).  Operators from  CTARL  (BV8YA,
BV8YB, BV8AB, BV8BC and others) will be active as BV0ARL/BV9G,
from July 20-25th. Activity will be on the IOTA HF frequencies
and VHF/UHF.  QSL via BV8BC and/or CTARL Bureau,  P.O. Box 73,
Taipei 100, Taiwan, R.O.C..

D2,  ANGOLA (UPDATE from Peter).  Peter, ON6TT, is planning to
use the callsign D2TT or D3T. QSL route will be ON5NT. He will
be there July 7th through August 28th and plans to be an entry
in the upcoming IARU contest. His bands of activity will be on
160-10  meters,  with emphasis on the WARC bands,  the Lowband
and RTTY. Most of his operations will be on SSB and  RTTY, but
will take CW requests if the pile ups are not too fierce. This
is a tour of duty as telecom consultant for the Red Cross, not
a DXpedition. He will be as active as much as he can, but will
have to move about in the field a lot.  When he is in  Luanda,
look  for  him  during his morning and  evening,  and  on  the
weekends.  NOTE: Peter will have beacons on 160 and 10 meters.
During  the day,  while he is out,  a beacon will run on 28203
kHz. When he is home sleeping, he will run a topband beacon on
1821.5 kHz. The beacons will go:

        V V V V V V DE <HISCALL>/B DE <HISCALL>/B

Peter  would like to hear QSNs to help him determine  when  he
should be active. Reports can be accepted over the air or send
via InterNet to:

        [e-mail]

Note  his  name clearly in the message body and PLEASE DO  NOT
use this address for skeds or anything else.

HG1,  HUNGARY.  The DX New Sheets report that between July 1st
and December 31st,  the special station HG100R will be  active
during the Centenary of the Radio. QSL direct to: HA1KSA, P.O.
Box 79, Gyor H-9002, Hungary.

NORTHERN IOTA DXPEDITION.   Frederick,  VE3VRO, states he will
be active July 10-13th,  from Banks Island (NA-129),  which is
located in the Arctic Archipelago Islands Group.  He will also
be active July 14-17th (only between 0000-0300z) from Herschel
Island (NA-193), which located in the Yukon Territory Group.

PY0,  TRINDADE.  According  to the DXNS,  Sergio,  PU1LOK,  is
active as PU0TRI, but can only operate SSB on 80 and 10 meters
(28300-28500 kHz).  He will be on the island until October and
will then answer QSL cards.  Currently there have been no QSNs
reported on the Ohio/Penn Network.  QSL to Sergio  S.  Mendes,
Rua Visconde de Santa Isabel, 692 apto. 202, Grajau, 20560-121
Rio RJ, Brazil.

T30,  WEST KIRIBATI.  Dave, T30DW, has been heard on 14208 kHz
around 1200z. He is a native from Australia and will be active
for  the next two years.  QSL to PO Box 29,  Bairiki,  Tarawa,
Republic of Kiribati.

             -----------------------------------

COMING EVENTS
-------------

JULY                 8TH-9TH          BARTG    AMTOR/PACTOR
                                      CONTEST

                   15TH-16TH          DARC HF RTTY CONTEST

AUGUST             19th-20th          SARTG WW RTTY CONTEST

            -------------------------------------------

Society information

The Society may be contacted at :  PO Box 860, Crows Nest 2065
Australia,   for   such  matters  as  membership  and  general
enquiries.  Enquiries  can  also  be made  by  packet  to  the
President(Col) VK2CTD at VK2XSB, or the Secretary (Pat) VK2JPA
at VK2AAB.

News  items  may  be  sent to  Broadcast  Officer  PO  Box  60
Blacktown  2148 Australia,  or by packet to VK2JPA at  VK2AAB.

Email address for the Broadcast Officer is :

patl(at)pitt.conmusic.su.oz.au

The  Society welcomes news items on any digital subjects  from
anywhere in the broadcast coverage area.  We are looking  for-
ward  to news from your areas to let other  amateurs know what
you are doing in the hobby. Hope to hear from you.

73s de Pat VK2JPA Broadcast Officer

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From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kok Chen)
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Subject: Re: CW is here to stay !!
Date: 11 Jul 1995 10:15:22 -0700
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[e-mail] (Brian Carling) writes:

>Then what DO they want? They already HAVE a no-code licensing
>concession! What do they demand next? Digital and SSB signals all the
>way down to the bottom end of the bands? Where will it end?


Digital way down to the bottom end of the band?  I am afraid my
license already allows me to utilise discrete signaling methods
such as A1A and F1B all the way down to the bottom (modulo the
bandwidth of the signal) of HF bands.

"Digital" has always been with us.  It just happens that in the
age of computers, F1B has become accessible to more hams.

Where will it end?  Only when Amateur Radio is no longer allowed
on the HF spectrum.  Otherwise, progress will occur, however slowly.
We read of OTs who lament the loss of spark privileges.  Well, such
things do happen to outmoded techniques.

73

Kok Chen, AA6TY                         [e-mail]
Apple Computer, Inc.


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BEGIN --- CUT HERE --- Cut Here --- cut here ---
MODEL             #R  SS   Sound Quality  Range (ft) Duration   Size
----------------  --  --- --------------- ---------- -------- ---------
AT&T   9100/9120   5  Yes   hissy, tinny    "Good"              Wide
BEL    900         1  No   crystal clear   "1 block"
Escort 9000/9020   4  Yes   good, crappy              2.0 hrs
Panas. 9000/9220   6  No     excellent     "few 100"  0.5 hrs   Flip
Sony   SPP-ER1     1  No                                         Big
Tropez 900 DL/DX  15  No* noisy, artifacts 300-1000   1.5 hrs Difficult
Uniden 9100/9200  13  Yes  good but echo      500               Good

#R : Number of responses I got about this phone
SS : Spread spectrum encoded - This means that you're not broadcasting
     your voice across the neighborhood, for all scanners to hear.
     While a few people might be able to decipher it now, and some
     scanners may do it in the future, you are at least secure from
     95% of the "snoopers" out there.  Me included.
     If it's not SS, then you _can_ pick it up with a simple scanner.


COMMENTS:

AT&T
- 9120 is a speakerphone
- AT&T phone is OEM'd from VTech, the company that makes the Tropez.
  The ergonomics are better, but the performance is about the same.

Escort
- The "good, crappy" comment in the table means I got conflicting
  responses.

Panasonic
- Flip-phone style
- Dual batteries; extra battery does NOT power base in power outage.

Tropez
Note:  while many people disliked the Tropez, some vehemently,
 I should say that I received a few responses defending it.
- 900 DX is a speakerphone
- Range is apparently very good, at 1000 feet or more.
- The Tropez models are NOT spread spectrum.  They use a single channel
  16 kHz PCM signal about 100 kHz wide..  While this means that Joe
  Scanner can't pick up an easy FM signal, it also means that it is not
  quite the level of security offered by spread spectrum.  The digitized
  audio is apparently coded to a random, shifting key (64K combinations),
  so interception is still unlikely.  On a plain scanner,  your voice is
  indeed unrecognizable (digital).
- It has been reported that clear audio (FM) leaks at around 430 MHz.

Uniden
- 9200 is two-line speakerphone with ability to charge extra battery.
  Extra battery WILL power base in power outage.
- Almost everyone liked their Uniden, except for the echo.
  The echo (and some said clipping and distortion) appears only in
  _your_ earpiece;  the other person can't hear it, although you may
  find it very irritating.



Miscellaneous

- Radio Shack and NorthWestern Bell models are possibly OEM'd, but I have
  conflicting information on that.  They are apparently not spread spectrum,
  but just broadcast your audio in the clear (FM).

- Motorola makes a 49 MHz cordless phone that reverses the audio into
  something unrecognizable on scanner.  There's one of these in my
  neighborhood; a plain scanner won't work on it, but it is pretty simple
  to build a circuit to un-reverse the audio (see rec.radio.scanner).
  The Motorola 49 Mhz apparently goes for around $400.

- From the  FAF - Frequently Asked Frequencies  file on oak.oakland.edu -

    Panasonic KX-T9000   base     902.100-903.870     { 60 channels
                         handset  926.100-927.870     { 30 kHz spacing

    VTech Tropez 900DX   base     905.600-907.500     { 20 channels
         (digital)       handset  925.500-927.400     {100 kHz spacing

    AT&T #9120             902.0-905.0  /  925.0-928.0   }
    OTRON CORP. #CP-1000   902.1-903.9  /  926.1-927.9   } unconfirmed
    SAMSUNG #SP-R912       903.0        /  927.0         }

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Kowalsky)
Date: 10 Oct 1994 15:59:02 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom.tech
Subject: Re: Source for 900 Mhz Cordless Phones?

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ryan J. Maley) says:
>
>Hi,
>
>I'm looking to buy seven 900Mhz cordless phones for our shop supervisors. My
>choices locally seems to be Tropez and AT&T. Surely there are other 900 Mhz
>phones out there. I was hoping I could find a Motorola "flip-style" handset.
>
(stuff deleted)

We bought 10 of the Panasonic 'flip-style' phones..  We have two left.
They all broke or wore out.  I think the ribbon cable that went to
the flip part couldn't handle the job.  For a while we just exchanged
them for new ones, but then SILO stopped carrying them.  Now when we
bring one in, the replace it with the Tropez.  What I liked about the
Panasonic was there were two batteries, one in the base was always
charging.  Anyway, we probably went though about 20 of those Panosonics.
I have a dead one next to me right now because SILO ran out of the
Tropez.  If you get the flips, get an extended warrantee.  BTW I would
never buy anything from SILO again.  It always takes me hours to exchange
a phone.

From: [e-mail] (Les Reeves)
Date: 11 Oct 1994 12:11:27 -0700
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom.tech
Subject: Re: 900 MHz cordless phone evaluations


If you are interested in pricing, the following
may be of interest.  These prices are from the Sept. 94 price
book from TeleDynamics [phone]  or [phone]

I am pretty sure these prices are good for anyone.

Model                   Quan 1  6 & up  Notes
------------------      ------- ------- -------------------
AT&T 9100               215.25
BEL  900M               259.75          $20 rebate 9-1-94 to 12-31-94
BEL  900LX              259.75          ""      ""      ""      ""
Cobra CP 912            243.35
Pan KX-T9220            337.10  330.48
Tropez 900DL            164.95
Tropez 900DX            219.65
Tropez Regency          246.62          Up to eight handsets per base
Uniden EXP9100          259.75          EXPBAT (extra batt) $14.50
Uniden EXP9200          304.75          ""      ""      ""      ""


---
Les     [e-mail]       Atlanta,GA      404.874.7806

From: [e-mail] (Jason Fesler)
Date: 25 Oct 1994 19:46:01 -0700
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: looking to buy digital cordless

Ishir Bhan ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I have the AT&T 9100 and I like it very much.  The range is not as great
: as they say if you are in a building with lots of walls such as the one I
: am in, but it is better than a conventional cordless.

I agree, the range is rather limited.  However, in my particular part of the
complex, the interferece is so bad that regular cordless phones go about 2
feet before getting lots of noise.  The 9100 is able to actually let me roam
my entire building, out to the street level..

Beyond that, just give me the bloody celular ..

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From: [e-mail] (Eric Simmon)
Date: 25 Oct 94 15:03:15 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: looking to buy digital cordless



I am looking to buy a 900 MHz digital phone.  I know the
technology will makes a cordless phone with long range and
low noise possible, but only if implemented properly.
None of the salesman I have talked to know anything about these
phones, so I was hoping to get some info here.

Here are the phones I have seen:

Uniden 9100 - $279 (minus $30 rebate - $249)

Northwest Bell model??? - $229

AT&T (model w/o touchpad in base) - $249

Sony (basic model) - $269

Topaz (at CompUSA) - $179


Does anyone have anything to say about these phones?

Features?
Reliability?
Range?
Sound Quality?

One (not very knowledgable) saledroid I talked to said the AT&T
and the Sony had the best sound quality.  He also said all the digital
phones had about a 3/4 mile range.  Any truth to what he said?

Is there a Consumer Reports article on these phones (if so, what
issue)

Thanks for the help,


Eric


[e-mail]


From: [e-mail] (Ken Jongsma)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:22:48 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: looking to buy digital cordless

In article <simmon.783097395@maxwell> [e-mail] (Eric Simmon) writes:
>
>I am looking to buy a 900 MHz digital phone.  I know the
>technology will makes a cordless phone with long range and
>low noise possible, but only if implemented properly.
>None of the salesman I have talked to know anything about these
>phones, so I was hoping to get some info here.
>
>
>Features?
>Reliability?
>Range?
>Sound Quality?
>
>One (not very knowledgable) saledroid I talked to said the AT&T
>and the Sony had the best sound quality.  He also said all the digital
>phones had about a 3/4 mile range.  Any truth to what he said?
>

I have a Tropez 900DL that I'm reasonably pleased with. The AT&T models
are Tropez units in a slightly different case. They also cost $50-$75
more than the same Tropez unit.

Range is much better than the 49MHz models, but highly dependent on
construction of your house and the immediate area.

Battery life is much shorter than you may be used to. The Tropez does
about 10-12 hours standby (away from the base) and about 2 hours talk
time.

For the money ($179) it's a reasonable unit.

Ken
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This is a final, updated version of an info file I posted a few weeks ago.

Changes made:   AT&T not Spread Spectrum, since OEM'd from VTech
                Added data on Sony
                Mention of Uniden features
                Approximate prices added to table
                Cobra model added to table


About a month ago I put out a call on the net for your comments and
experiences with 900 MHz cordless phones.  The following is what I
finally distilled out of those responses.  Note that these are
actual experiences, not rumor or manafacturer's claims (nor mine).
If your phone does not exhibit the performance problem indicated here,
or if you find a better price, well, great.

Below is a table of some basic performance comments, followed by more
lengthy comments on each model.  I received over 2000 lines of comments,
and have edited _that_ down to 1300+ lines (~60K).  Since posting those
comments would be an ENORMOUS waste of bandwidth, I will e-mail a copy
of that file to whoever really wants it.


                                                      Talk    Handset
MODEL              $   SS   Sound Quality  Range (ft) Duration   Size
----------------  ---  --- --------------- ---------- -------- ---------
AT&T   9100/9120  250 No*   hissy, tinny    "Good"              Wide
BEL    900        260 No   crystal clear   "1 block"
Cobra  CP 900?    250 Yes?     good          1000              "Block"
Escort 9000/9020  300 Yes   good, crappy              2.0 hrs
Panas. 9000/9220  330 No     excellent     "few 100"  0.5 hrs   Flip
Sony   SPP-ER1    250 No       clear         200+     4.0 hrs?   Big
Tropez 900 DL/DX  200 No* noisy, artifacts 300-1000   1.5 hrs Difficult
Uniden 9100/9200  270 Yes  good but echo      500               Good

$  : General prices found at electronics retailers locally.
     Mail-order vendors include Hello Direct (800-HI-HELLO), Shoppers
     Advantage (800-835-7407), and TeleDynamics (800-847-5629).
SS : Spread spectrum encoded - This means that you're not broadcasting
     your voice across the neighborhood, for all scanners to hear.
     While a few people might be able to decipher it now, and some
     scanners may do it in the future, you are at least secure from
     95% of the "snoopers" out there.  Me included.
     If it's not SS, then you _can_ pick it up with a simple scanner.


COMMENTS:

AT&T
- 9120 is a speakerphone
- AT&T phone is OEM'd from VTech, the company that makes the Tropez.
  The ergonomics are better, but the performance is about the same.

Escort
- The "good, crappy" comment in the table means I got conflicting
  responses.

Panasonic
- Flip-phone style
- Dual batteries; extra battery does NOT power base in power outage.

Tropez
Note:  while many people disliked the Tropez, some vehemently,
 I should say that I received a few responses defending it.
- 900 DX is a speakerphone
- Range is apparently very good, at 1000 feet or more.
- The Tropez models are NOT spread spectrum.  They use a single channel
  16 kHz PCM signal about 100 kHz wide.  While this means that Joe
  Scanner can't pick up an easy FM signal, it also means that it is not
  quite the level of security offered by spread spectrum.  The digitized
  audio is apparently coded to a random, shifting key (64K combinations),
  so interception is still unlikely.  On a plain scanner,  your voice is
  indeed unrecognizable (digital).
  This applies to the AT&T models also, since they are OEM'd from Vtech.
- It has been reported that clear audio (FM) leaks at around 430 MHz.

Uniden
- 9200 is two-line phone, with speakerphone.  I could not find it on sale
  locally (major city), so mail-order may be the only way to get it.
- Both 9100 and 9200 have ability to charge extra battery (extra $).
  Extra battery WILL power base in power outage.
- Almost everyone liked their Uniden, except for the echo.
  The echo (and some said clipping and distortion) appears only in
  _your_ earpiece;  the other person can't hear it, although you may
  find it very irritating.  Many were not particularly bothered by it.
- Many commented on complete set of features (external monitor speaker on
  handset, extra battery powers base, lighted buttons)


Miscellaneous

- General Electric, Radio Shack and NorthWestern Bell models are possibly
  OEM'd, but I have conflicting information on that.  They are apparently
  not spread spectrum, but just broadcast your audio in the clear (FM).

- Motorola makes a 49 MHz cordless phone that reverses the audio into
  something unrecognizable on a scanner.  There's one of these in my
  neighborhood; a plain scanner won't work on it, but it is pretty simple
  to build a circuit to un-reverse the audio (see rec.radio.scanner).
  There are a variety of models from $180 and up.

- From the  FAF - Frequently Asked Frequencies  file on oak.oakland.edu -

    Panasonic KX-T9000   base     902.100-903.870     { 60 channels
                         handset  926.100-927.870     { 30 kHz spacing

    VTech Tropez 900DX   base     905.600-907.500     { 20 channels
         (digital)       handset  925.500-927.400     {100 kHz spacing

    AT&T #9120             902.0-905.0  /  925.0-928.0   }
    OTRON CORP. #CP-1000   902.1-903.9  /  926.1-927.9   } unconfirmed
    SAMSUNG #SP-R912       903.0        /  927.0         }

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From: [e-mail] (Rich Michaels)
Date: 10 Nov 1994 19:20:27 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Monitor Uniden 900Mhz Spread Spectrum cordless ??


Is it possible to monitor one of these with another phone of
the same model?  Do all production-units use similar spread spectrum
"patterns," or algorithms when tramsmitting to and from the base unit?



Thanks,
Rich




From: [e-mail] (Gary Ross)
Date: 10 Nov 1994 23:25:02 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Is the ATT 9120 cordless phone really scrambled?

Question:

The owners manual for the ATT 9120 900 Mhz cordless phone states "the 9120
scrambles you voice before it transmits it."  Are they blowing smoke or do
they consider digitizing to be scrambling?

Since the phone has 10 channels, if there were eleven 9120's phones used
near each other, would one of the phones be able to hear anothers call 'in
the clear'?

Thanks,
Gary

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From: kevin jessup <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 02:12:33 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Monitor Uniden 900Mhz Spread Spectrum cordless ??

In <39trpr$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rich Michaels) writes:


>Is it possible to monitor one of these with another phone of
>the same model?  Do all production-units use similar spread spectrum
>"patterns," or algorithms when tramsmitting to and from the base unit?

The unit uses Frequency Hopping (not direct sequence) SS and I
could easily watch it hop around using a spectrum analyzer.
(A $15,000 model from IFR.  Ouch!!)

I expect ALL units have a frequency look-up table of sorts
but the starting point may be determined randomly and
even changed on the fly if interference is detected.

So the answer is NO, you could not EASILY monitor with
another model.  One of the reasons for using SS is to get
around the problem of intererence and interception that
is typical of the 46/49MHz narrow-band cordless phones.

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From: [e-mail] (Bob Parnass, AJ9S)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:57:30 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.radio.scanner,alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Monitor Uniden 900Mhz Spread Spectrum cordless ??

In article <39trpr$[e-mail]>,
Rich Michaels <[e-mail]> wrote:

  >Is it possible to monitor one of these with another phone of
  >the same model?  Do all production-units use similar spread spectrum
  >"patterns," or algorithms when transmitting to and from the base unit?

I'm not familiar with the Uniden 900 MHz phone.  Does it employ
direct sequence spread spectrum or frequency hopping? How fast is
the hop?

I wonder if using an Interceptor (without rescan delay)
would be quick enough to follow a (slow) frequency hopping signal?

Just to brainstorm for a moment.... How about a different
strategy than trying to "follow" a hopping signal -- listen
to the entire band (e.g. 902-928 MHz) at one time instead?

For close-in work, how about using a comb generator/local
oscillator configuration on a receiver outfitted with a 902-928 MHz
front end filter?  That would let you listen to the entire band
at one time.

The downside would be that you couldn't separate other radio
activity within the same bandpass.  Another nit is that the
signal you want to receive may be below the noise aggregate level.

I encourage radio tinkerers to experiment and report back.
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If any one wants of of these hard to find phones, TeleDynamics just got
a shipment in of 79.

TeleDynamics (800-847-5629)

Tropez Platinum $295
900Mhz
2-Line
Caller-ID in handset.

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From: Franklin Fasano <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 15:36:00 PST
Newsgroups: rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Cordless Phone Range


I am attempting to increase the range of a cordless phone.  I am primarily
concerned with range OUTSIDE the house, and 900 Mhz still doesn't cut it.
 First, how much transmitting power do these things have?  Also, is it
possible/legal to mount an outside antenna?

From: David Spoelstra <[e-mail]>
Date: 27 Nov 1994 03:56:10 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Info on new GE 900MHz phone?

I've been shopping for 900MHz phones.  I'm almost set on getting the
Uniden 9100, but I saw a new GE 900MHz at the store.  The one thing that
attracks me to it is the very comfortable handset.  I was wondering if
anyone owns one and has any comments about it.  I looked in the very nice
900MHz phone evaluation by Chris Campbell (thanks Chris!), but the GE
wasn't listed.

-David  N9PGH

In article <3bo6ck$8hj@tango..w8hd.org>, [e-mail] (Jim Lagerkvist)
writes:

>>P.S. - If you have any comments to share about this phone, please email
me.  Exploring this product has become a hobby with me.

-Do you have a fix for the slight echo in the 9100?  Actually, I have
gotten used to it completely ,however I would like to hear your input.
From: [e-mail] (Fortelcom)
Date: 23 Dec 1994 21:32:51 -0500
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: 900 Mhz Cordless That Takes Headset?

.the only one that we have seem is the OEM version of the vtech st.
tropez and platinum which takes a proprietary jack for VXI headsets -
figures.....!
[e-mail]

From: [e-mail] (Will Estes)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1994 22:31:06 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: 900 Mhz Cordless That Takes Headset?

I'm looking for a 900 MHz cordless phone that can use a standard
Plantronics headset as an option.  I'm aware of one such product
from a mail-order place.  Does anyone know of a 900 MHz phone from a
brand-name company, like Panasonic, Uniden, AT&T, etc., that works
with a headset?

--
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From: [e-mail] (Jason White)
Date: 1 Feb 1995 09:38:43 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Spread Spectrum 900 MHz phones

In article <[e-mail]>, Ron Belanger <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Jeffrey Nay ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: [e-mail] (Brian Zill) wrote:
>: >
>: >I recently came across a Spread Spectrum 900 MHz cordless phone in a
>: local
>: >department store here (Seattle).  Believe it was made by Uniden.
>: Anyone have
>: >any direct experience with these?  I'm wondering about sound quality,
>: battery
>: >life, etc.
>: >
>
>I have one and find that it works very well.  There is some audible
>artifact of the
>analog / digital encoding, but the sound quality, overall, is very
>good.  Everything you've heard about range and absence of interference is
>realized in this phone.  THe one I have and that of a friend have both
>shown excellent range with clear voice quality.  The phone is also well
>thought out in terms of the feature set.
>
>Complaint #1:  The phone comes with a NiCad battery.  I strongly feel
>that any company that puts NiCad batteries in its products doesn't really
>care about quality and usability of its products.
>
>Complaint #2:  The phone cost much too much.  Perhaps you should wait
>until competition works its magic.
>
>The moral:  maybe Uniden got this phone right by accident.  If they
>really had their act together this phone would be shipped with
>a NiMh or LiIon battery  :-)

  I agree on all above points regarding the Uniden 900MHz phone (I have the
EXP9100, the single line version).  In short, I love this phone.  I've tried
the AT&T 9100 and the Escort 900MHz phone (9100?) and I thought they both
stunk!  I wasn't impressed by the range of the AT&T phone and wasn't impressed
by the range or the features of the Escort phone.

  Something I found strange about the first generation Escort models
(Cincinatti Micro. sent my a flyer about their new Escort phone which is
supposed to have a "25% greater range", but that was apparently the only
difference) is that the keys on the handset are made from a translucent
material for backlighting purposes.  However, backlighting was eventually
disabled on this unit due to power consumption.  The only key that lit up was
the ``talk'' key. :-/  The unit also only had _two_ memories, each with its
own key.  Personally, I like memories, so I found this to be quite a
disappointment.  I ended up returning both phones and waited a long time to
see if something better appeared.  I believe the Cobra 900MHz model (which
looks a lot like the Escort) has a backlit keypad.  Not sure if there are
any other major differences (like more memories).

Reasons I like the Uniden model:
        * great range and clarity
         Because this phone is spread-spectrum I've been able to use my 900MHz
         wireless headphone unit and the phone at the same time with a minimum
         of fuss.  I don't usually have any interference problems, but very
         occasionally I'll hear a little "pitter-pat" sound through my cordless
         headphones when using the phone.
        * 20 16-digit memories (accessed by touching the "memory" key, then
          two digits) plus 3 one-touch dialing keys (A, B, and C)
        * Flash, mute, and hold functions.
        * ringer on/off switch _on the handset_
        * three handset-selectable ringer volumes
        * two handset-selectable ringer tones (kinda goofy, but fun)
        * two handset-selectable volume settings:
         Typically, you'll always want to keep this at the highest setting
         unless you're using the monitor function (explained below) as the
         handset audio is a bit weaker than the 46/49 MHz models.  I don't
         find this to be a big problem, but if I had to suggest an area for
         improvement on this phone, the handset audio would be it.
        * the monitor function:
         This is a really interesting function that I havn't seen on any other
         cordless phone, and it's even somewhat useful. :)
         At the base of the handset, just above the microphone there's a
         speaker.  When the monitor button is engaged, but microphone is cut
         off and the audio comes out the speaker at the base rather than the
         earpiece.  I've found this useful while waiting on hold because it
         allowed me to put the handset down and still monitor the line.
         Sometimes, one may wish to put the handset volume on the lower
         setting while monitoring, but otherwise you'll want to leave it on
         the high setting.
        * battery-backed base.  The base will charge a second battery for the
         handset and if the base loses power (and the 2nd battery is present)
         the base will power itself off the 2nd battery.  Nice feature.

  If anyone has any other queries, feel free to contact me.

-Jason
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From: [e-mail] (David Horak)
Date: 11 Feb 1995 11:02:37 -0600
Newsgroups: rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: 900 mhz cordless, where?

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steven Bradley) writes:

>Well, I am getting bored with my choice of 14 neighbors on the 10 46 mhz
>band cordless frequencies - I heard the 900 mhz have more range (according
>to advertising of local Wal-Mart employee).  I'd like to extend my monitoring
>to include the 900 mhz cordless phone users now.

The 46 MHz band is expanding to 25 channels.

>What are the frequencies commonly used for 900, such as Uniden, AT&T,
>Panasonic, etc?

Allow me to post something I stole from Mike.....

From rec.radio.scanner Fri May  6 09:50:48 1994
~From: [e-mail] (Michael Schuster)
~Date: 5 May 1994 20:38:07 -0400
~Newsgroups: rec.radio.scanner
~Subject: Re: 900MHZCORDLESSPHONEFREQS.

   ------------------------------------------------------------------
900 MHZ CORDLESS TELEPHONE FREQUENCIES - - 902 - 928 MHZ NFM
   ------------------------------------------------------------------

902 - 928     900 MHZ CORDLESS TELEPHONES (30-100 KHZ SPACING)


        Panasonic KX-T9000 (60 Channels)

base     902.100 - 903.870 Base frequencies (30Khz spacing)
handset  926.100 - 927.870 Handset frequencies

CH   BASE    HANDSET    CH   BASE    HANDSET    CH   BASE    HANDSET
--  -------  -------    --  -------  -------    --  -------  -------
01  902.100  926.100    11  902.400  926.400    21  902.700  926.700
02  902.130  926.130    12  902.430  926.430    22  902.730  926.730
03  902.160  926.160    13  902.460  926.460    23  902..760  926.760
04  902.190  926.190    14  902.490  926.490    24  902.790  926.790
05  902.220  926.220    15  902.520  926.520    25  902.820  926.820
06  902.250  926.250    16  902.550  926.550    26  902.850  926.850
07  902.280  926.280    17  902.580  926.580    27  902.880  926.880
08  902.310  926.310    18  902.610  926.610    28  902.910  926.910
09  902.340  926.340    19  902.640  926.640    29  902.940  926.940
10  902.370  926.370    20  902.670  926.670    30  902.970  926.970

CH   BASE    HANDSET    CH   BASE    HANDSET    CH   BASE    HANDSET
--  -------  -------    --  -------  -------    --  -------  -------
31  903.000  927.000    41  903.300  927.300    51  903.600  927.600
32  903.030  927.030    42  903.330  927.330    52  903.630  927.630
33  903.060  927.060    43  903.360  927.360    53  903.660  927.660
34  903.090  927.090    44  903.390  927.390    54  903.690  927.690
35  903.120  927.120    45  903.420  927.420    55  903.720  927.720
36  903.150  927.150    46  903.450  927.450    56  903.750  927.750
37  903.180  927.180    47  903.480  927.480    57  903.780  927.780
38  903.210  927.210    48  903.510  927.510    58  903.810  927.810
39  903.240  927.240    49  903.540  927.540    59  903.840  927.840
40  903.270  927.270    50  903.570  927.570    60  903.870  927.870


        V-TECH TROPEZ DX900 (20 CHANNELS)

905.6 - 907.5   TRANSPONDER (BASE) FREQUENCIES (100 KHZ SPACING)
925.5 - 927.4   HANDSET FREQUENCIES

CH   BASE    HANDSET    CH   BASE    HANDSET    CH   BASE    HANDSET
--  -------  -------    --  -------  -------    --  -------  -------
01  905.600  925.500    08  906.300  926.200    15  907.000  926.900
02  905.700  925.600    09  906.400  926.300    16  907.100  927.000
03  905.800  925.700    10  906.500  926.400    17  907.200  927.100
04  905.900  925.800    11  906.600  926.500    18  907.300  927.200
05  906.000  925.900    12  906.700  926.600    19  907.400  927.300
06  906.100  926.000    13  906.800  926.700    20  907.500  927.400
07  906.200  926.100    14  906.900  926.800


        OTHER 900 MHZ CORDLESS PHONES

AT&T #9120  - - - - - 902.0 - 905.0 & 925.0 - 928.0 MHZ
OTRON CORP. #CP-1000  902.1 - 903.9 & 926.1 - 927.9 MHZ
SAMSUNG #SP-R912- - - 903.0         &         927.0 MHZ

=====================================================================






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From: [e-mail] (Tom Hotaling)
Date: 3 Mar 1995 21:55:44 GMT
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: 900 mHz cordless phones

In article <3j195t$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian ) says:
>
>Stan Thomas ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>: >for 900 mHz cordless phones for over $200.  Are these significantly better
>: >than cheaper ones?
>
>: Every common scanner on the market will pick up standard cordless phone calls.
>: I guarantee that if you use a regular cordless phone your are being listened
>: too. Few scanners cover the 900MHz band.

>Though 900 mhz phones are maybe not going to be picked up as much, you still
>can't guarantee privacy.  There is a phone out there that is spread spectrum
>(I forget the manucaturer(spelling is off, and its late)).  If I understand
>spread spectrum correctly, the phone would take parts of your voice and
>spread it over a range of frequencies.  If someone did have a scanner looking
>for you, and it stopped on a frequency, it would only be lets say, the
>higher tones of your voice, thus making what you are saying unreadable..

        Ah before we get to far afield here, a typical scanner would not
even stop or find the frequency. In a good spread spectrum the carrier
disapears (well almost but it will be 40 - 60 db down) even if you knew
carrier freq in advance you wouldn't get a thing. The voice has to be
digitized and is then "spread" by a higher freq digital code, ie One bit
of voice data now becomes say 128 bits of pseudo random data. This bit
stream is then used to modulate an RF carrier. This is called direct
sequence. Frequency hopping use the PS data stream to change the carrier
frequency. The result of this modulation makes the carrier go away and
the sidebands "spread" out at such low power you would have trouble
finding them. You realy have to see this on a spectrum analyzer to
appreciate it.So if it's a real spread spectrum system you won't hear
squat on your Bearcat. Cell phones are headed in this direction, via a
detour in TDMA, which is something else entirely.
        There are some 900 mHz phones which advertize as spread spectrum
type and some that don't. Escort, I don't know if it's the same as the
radar det people, is one brand name I remember. The ones that don't say
they're sprd-spec may be just conventional FM units, I don't know. If
you're concerned about privacy sprd-spec is the way to go. Also since
your voice/data is already digitized it would be real easy to encode
the bits, further scrambling the signal. The military has been doing
for quite a while. Extra hardware and some fairly "critical" components
is why you see the $200 price's.

                        TomH.....................

From: [e-mail] ()
Date: 3 Mar 1995 23:52:44 GMT
Newsgroups: sci.electronics
Subject: Re: 900 mHz cordless phones

Edward Roy ([e-mail]) wrote:
: My old cordless just died, and I'm looking for a new one.  I've seen ads
: for 900 mHz cordless phones for over $200.  Are these significantly better
: than cheaper ones?

I would recommend a Tropez digital 900Mhz phone, these are very good
phones. In looking inside, there is more electronics scrunched in there
than a cellular phone. Besides using the 900 Mhz it is digital, if you
scan it with a scanner (somewhere around 860 Mhz actually, I think) it
will lock onto the carrier, but all you hear is "static" which is
actually the digital data.

How RF immune are they? Well, this one is used a transmitter site where
two TV transmitters and one FM transmitter are located. Haven't had any
problems, and that's probably in about a 800 KW ERP RF environment.

I also have one at home. I think it was about $230 Cdn.


From: [e-mail] (Kyle Cordes)
Date: 8 Mar 1995 05:42:54 -0800
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom,misc.wanted
Subject: Re: Wanted: 2 line 900MHz cordless

[e-mail] (Dean Youngquist) writes:

>I am in great need of a 2-line 900 MHz cordless phone.  I heard the
>Bel-Tronics model is good.  Can someone please direct me to a mail order
>source for the Bel-Tronics or any other good quality unit.

>any advice will be appreciated

A friend of mine, after trying several 900 MHz phones (AT&T, Tropez,
Escort), finally settled on a Uniden 2-line model. It is fairly costly,
but performs very well.  If you call the 800 directory (800 555 1212),
you should be able to track down Uniden.

-Kyle

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Turner)
Date: 16 Mar 1995 22:11:52 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Tropez phones


I check my Tropez last night and I could find a carrier at 450.200.
I could not detect dial tone or voice. However, if I pressed the keys on the phone
and had the volume on the scanner up as high as it would go I could hear very
very faint "signals" each time a key was pressed.  If the phone was moved a
few feet away from the scanner I lost carrier.

So, this single Tropez phone appears to be "secure" to the normal scanner.

Mike






From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:36 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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[e-mail] writes:

>The FCC does have the power to suspend and revoke licenses but I know of
>no right to refuse one's issue.

Being awarded a federal license is a privilege, not a right. I tend to
side with the FCC in the following:

>>NEWSLINE RADIO - CBBS EDITION #934 - POSTED 07/07/95
>> ...., the F.C.C. believes that it has the right to deny any
>> citizen a license if they believe he or she has shown disregard
>> for any law.

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David F. Jenkins)
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Subject: Programming a message into CMOS-II keyer
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I built a CMOS-II keyer some months ago, and just this morning decided
to store a CQ message in its memory.  Using the 'C' load mode and
Auto-space ON, I entered all the characters, and then played it back.
Thence ariseth the following problems/questions:

1)  If I pause for even a few milliseconds (it seems) between letters,
I get the keyer's 'I' response, and therefore when I play the message
back, I get a word gap between the two letters.

2)  If I key fast enough to escape the unwanted 'I', when I play the
message back the letters almost (but not quite) run together.
Certainly, they are closer together than one would hear from over 95%
of the keying that's present on the bands I visit.

Questions:

In character load mode, how can I avoid this problem?  (I would like
to avoid using 'R' recording mode for the time being.)  I have tried
using Auto-space OFF, and that seems to help some, but I'm not really
sure I understand this mode.  For instance, the documentation says that
Auto-space OFF "...character spaces are determined by the operator.)
Apparently this is only true up to some limit, beyond which the
progamming decides that a words has ended - true?  If so, what is that
limit?

If one is keying fast enough to make the keyer think that a
word space is not required, how does the keyer recognize the break
between the end of one character and the start of another?

Any CMOS-II recording tips from the group would be aprreciated.
Thanks.


David F. Jenkins
KK5KX


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i never got the callsign of anyone in the phily area that does
SSTV of 2m FM   can i get any?

thanks
ADvid
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From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:39 1995
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j>[e-mail] (Rod Davis) writes:

j>>I just had my first experience at trading here.  I offered a ham
j>radio >for sale in the rec.radio.swap newsgroup.  After 7 exchanges
j>with a >ham in Georgia, discussing all details such as the price was
j>"firm" >and "not negotiable", and all the accessories I had, he made
j>an >offer equal to my exact asking price.  He added one more question:
j>>"what is the condition of the radio?"  I answered it was, "As new, in
j>>the box, and I would ship immediately upon his final confirmation."
j>>His reply, "Oh, I made a typo error, I meant to offer ..... (less
j>than >he had offered previously.)
j>>I sent him private EMAIL asking if he did not understand the words
j>> "firm" or "price not negotiable" but he will not respond.
j>>His name is H.G. and his amateur radio callsign is Nxxx
j>>just in case you end up in negotiations with him.
j>>I would be interested in hearing of other such incidents that
j>happened >through Usenet and on any newsgroups.  I have 14 attourneys
j>on staff and >we are just getting into "Intelectual Property Law."
j>>
j>>Rod Davis

j>This Davis guy is out in left field. Just for kicks, after reading the
j>above diatribe I emailed him and offered him $350 for the radio.
j>He accepted the offer, and added that if I didn't send him the money
j>he would sue me.

j>I suggest everyone stay far far away from this dingbat.

j>Jeff NH6IL

j>
He needs all the help he can get, especially with his ATTOURNEYS, ha
haha ha ha , wonder if his Attorney likes that one.

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From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:40 1995
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From: "Edwin J. Bailen" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Fastest way to learn CW ?
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 21:50:23 -0500
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Code doesn't come all that easy to some.  It took me 2 years listening to
code tapes morning and night to get my 5 wpm.  When I wanted to study for
13, I used a code program that would send from scripts that included
speed control words.  I set up a program to generate 5-letter random
groups and write them to a file.  I edited the file to send 1 minute at
40, 1 minute at 35, ... 1 minute at 20, and 5 minutes at 15 wpm.  Of
course I couldn't copy anything for the first few months.

After a while I started to get 30 to 40% at 15 wpm and a little at 20.
By the time I was copying 15 well, I wasn't doing all that bad at 20.
The advantage (for me) in this method was that 15 (and even 20) wpm
started sounding pretty slow after coming down from the higher speeds.

If I had just stuck with it for a few more months, I'd be an extra now. :-)
73!

On 7 Jul 1995, Rick Risinger wrote:

> I recently passed the 20 WPM code test, and here's my two cents worth:
>
> - Get a copy of Morse Academy or a similar package and copy random code
> letters only, and then numbers only, and then both at 25 WPM.
>
> - Don't worry about the prosigns, except / . BT , as they are the only
> ones that will appear in the text. AR & BK appear at the end.
>
> - Get a copy of Jerry Ziliac's 35 WPM Code Word tapes.  They teach
> common words and are very good.  Listen to these in your car on the way
> to work.
>
> - Using Morse Academy take the sample tests again and again and
> again...
>
> - Take the real test until you pass.  I would recommend taking the same
> tests, either ARRL or W5YI, as each has its own style.  The Morse
> Academy tests are best for ARRL.
>
>
>  I started to learn code in Nov of 1994, passed 13WPM in January, and
> 20WPM in June.  You just have to work at it.
>
> My own experience was that I seemed to get stuck at around 17-18 WPM.
> I sent wife and the kids to Grandmas for a weekend, and spent two days
> listening to computer generated code, taking tests and working CW on
> the air.
>
> The next Saturday I passed easily.. 8 out of 10, fill in the blank.
>
> Good luck, it can be done. It just requires work.
>
> Rick
> KK5JV
>
>
>


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ATTENTION AUTHORS OF AMATEUR RADIO, SWL, AND ELECTRONIC SOFTWARE!

If your software is shareware, freeware or public domain, AmSoft
would like to include your software in our publication of The
World of Ham Radio CD-ROM.  If you only have a commercial version
you may want to think about a shareware version with registration.
Most authors have had good returns on registrations from the first
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The FTP site is HAMSTER.BUSINESS.UWO.CA directory /PUB/AMSOFT

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From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DavidB9608)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Six Metre All Mode?
Date: 11 Jul 1995 22:42:30 -0400
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I have  six meter all mode and indeed there is plenty of interesting dx on
ssb but the fm has had plenty of dx this summer also some of my friends
have 300 400 contacts on six meter fm since June 1st over 1000 miles on
most. one did mexico on fm. I live in connecticut about 100 miles north of
new york and 100 miles west of boston. On ssb of course europe has been on
every day for about two weeks six is a great band


From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:43 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: RELM Radio Dealers (Oregon,SW Washingon) - relmreq.txt [01/01]
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 22:55:35 GMT
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See attached file please.
Thankyou.
BEGIN -- Cut Here -- cut here
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TO: Any Radio Dealers(Oregon/SW Washington)
RE: RELM's WHS-150
FROM: [e-mail]

I belong to a non-profit organization who is in need of
aquiring 3 Relm radios, model number whs-150.
My organization is not "tax supported" by anyones
income or property taxes.

Sources indicate that these radio's can be obtained
from the factory distributor for around $284.00 each.

Pending purchase aproval I would offer $950.00 for three
transceivers.  S&H would be considered.

I know this is not big money to some and could be
considered "serious charity".  If you are a dealer and
would be willing to assist my organization it would be
greatly appreciated.

We have the identification and authorization required to
purchase these radio's for someone who would require it.

Your charitable contribution is appreciated.

Please respond to via E-Mail to [e-mail]

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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 11/2330Z JULY 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 11 JULY AND FORECAST FOR 12 JULY - 14 JULY
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  76/14

GOES satellite data for 10 Jul
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   NA
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:   NA
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV:   NA
       X-ray background: NA
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             12 Jul             13 Jul             14 Jul
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 12 Jul:  76/14

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 10 Jul
    Learmonth        3  2111 0111
    Fredericksburg   1                           2
    Planetary        2                           2

Observed Kp for 10 Jul: 1000 1221
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
12 Jul     5    Quiet
13 Jul     5    Quiet
14 Jul    10    Quiet to unsettled

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
11 Jul      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
12 Jul      normal         normal         normal
13 Jul      normal         normal         normal
14 Jul      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
11 Jul    27    near predicted monthly values

Predicted Monthly T index for July: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
12 Jul    20    Near predicted monthly values
13 Jul    20    Near predicted monthly values
14 Jul    20    Near predicted monthly values

COMMENT: Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values. Hobart MUFs:
near predicted monthly values.

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From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio)
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In article <3tu2su$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Butch Magee) wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (JEFF SUMBERG) says:
> >
> >RS>July 12 begins a new month long poll. The new poll question asks "SHOULD
> >  >THE CODE REQUIREMENTS BE REDUCED/ELIMINATED FOR LICENSING PRIVILEGES ABOVE
> >  >30 MHZ? All poll results are forwarded to the League and the Ham Radio
> >
> >
> No code liscense is available for operation above 30 MHz.  I am curious
> why you are taking these polls and if you think the ARRL and the rest
> of us in the Amateur community would care about receiving questionable
> polling results?
>
> Butch KF5DE

Well Butch you caught the typo.Yes it should read below 30 MHz.
Regarding the rest of your concerns. Over 350 hams thought the Vanity
Callsign issue was important enough to vote on, and scores of hams
e-mailed their support. They saw the potential the WWW has to survey large
groups of people in real time.The league itself asks hams to fill out
survey questions from time to time. Should no one else have that right?
When over 350 hams express an opinion on a topic I believe it has some
value. It should be noted that the Ham Poll is new and should increase its
survey numbers as more hams become familiar with it, and are able to
access the Web. Everthing needs time to grow.73's Ray

--
Ray Sarrio Co.
http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html


From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Emergency communicating on repeaters
Date: 12 Jul 1995 00:54:41 -0700
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Curtis Wheeler ([e-mail]) recently wrote
            in <3tuiaq$[e-mail]>:

: Greg Pool <[e-mail]> wrote:
: [stuff deleted]
: >
: > What really gets people, though, is decode.  We have to have it on
: > because of local use of the repeater pair from up north.  Whenever
: > I turn off the repeater during an ARES net, just to see who comes
: > up on the output frequency to continue the net, I will invariably
: > get a few that never knew what hit because we everyone came up
: > on simplex and no PL.  Nothing to decode, nothing to hear!

Net control should operate with the ctcss tone and advise all stations to
do the same. It is ok to use ctcss encode on simplex.

: This is the reason that I have resisted requests by users to have our
: repeaters transmit PL.  Those using PL decode eventually get lazy and
: don't MONITOR the frequency before transmitting.

What are they monitoring? They will hear the repeater just fine! If
there are users in the group talking on the output maybe they should be
trained to transmit the same ctcss tone if they want to be heard.

Our repeater has several ctcss tones enabling several different groups to
monitor for their individual group traffic.

: We use PL decode on our PLMR equipment.  But a mobile automatically
: goes into carrier squelch (monitor) when the mic is removed from the
: mic clip.  Portables use "tx inhibit on busy channel" to prevent a user
: from keying up on traffic using a different PL or operating simplex.
: It more or less forces people to monitor.

We do the same thing by changing memory channels on an amateur radio.
CH 1 is encode only on the repeater
CH 2 is encode decode on the repeater
CH 3 is encode simplex on the repeater output

Groups monitor channel 2 for their traffic and switch to channel 1 when
using the repeater. We find most folks are on ch 1 most of the time and
switch to ch 2 rather than turn the radio off.

In other words Channel 1 is the same as taking the mike out of the hang
up clip on a commercial radio, The user hears everything on the frequency.

Your users that want the repeater to transmit ctcss are tired of
listening to all the nuisance interference from pagers and other distant
repeaters. More people will monitor the repeater if it is a quality signal.

I would say the repeater tech committee is LAZY if they can't impliment a
simple ctcss tone on the repeater transmitter. The clever techs usually
drive the repeater tone only when a signal is present on the input. That
way the members do not need to hear all the beep boops and talking ids.
You would be surprised how many hams and their families come back and
really monitor.

Bob

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     Bob Wilkins                     work    [e-mail]
 Berkeley, California                home    [e-mail]
     94712-2354                      play    n6fri@n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.noam




From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alfred G. von Luternow )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Fun with Burt
Date: 12 Jul 1995 01:26:24 GMT
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N.B.N. No Burt Net! pissa! 73
>
>



From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:51 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Email not protected
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 01:40:57 -0500
Organization: Delphi ([e-mail] email, 800-695-4005 voice)
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X-To: Greg Becker <[e-mail]>

Atta boy, Greg, go to it!!! Someone tried to be helpful and you scorned his
well-meaning advice...so, please, after you get yourself in one big mess
come back here and tell us all about it so we can have a good laugh on you.
GFor your information, a photograph is considered copyrighted before it is
even developed. Don't forget now, be sure and tell us about the jam you get
yourself in.


From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Leber)
Subject: Req: Manual for Kenwood TR-7950 Mobile
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 01:50:05 GMT
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Can anyone supply a photocopy of the operating manual for a Kenwood
TR-7950 2m Mobile? I have inherited one of these rigs as part of
the communications gear for my Civil Air Patrol squadron, and it
sure would be nice to know how it works ;-)

Replies by e-mail to [e-mail]

Cheers,
Tom
--
Tom Leber N3QKV <[e-mail]> Intermetrics, Inc., Warminster PA USA
           "Smother technology and it rebels." - Max Headroom


From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:52 1995
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[e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington) writes:

>BTW, FWIW, I have no opinion, none, about the convict issue, except to say
>that if someone has done his or her time, then hopefully that's that, and
>society doesn't hold a further grudge.

Consider the early release program some jurisdictions are forced to
implement due to budget problems. If a felon's 10-year sentence is
reduced to say, one year, has he still `done his time'?

>I don't, in any case.  :-)

I do.  |-o

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Wittich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VEs and code tests
Date: 12 Jul 1995 02:32:03 GMT
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In article <3tukg4$[e-mail]>, Gerald Schmitt <[e-mail]> writes:
|>
|> I did not have the reference in front of me so you have
|> the advantage. What I was quoted was a paraphrase of what
|> you have supplied us. However there still is the matter
|> of the Urban legend of the no-code Extra and I reiterate
|> there ain't no such animal. You cannot be exempted from
|> the 5 WPM only the higher speeds. If it is convenient could
|> you quote that section also.

Well, its pretty wordy but it is here.  No exemptions for 5 wpm.
For those interested, it is in the ARRL VEC VE manual, seventh
edition, chapter 7, page 55, under Morse Code Exemptions.

But it really does say just what many of you are saying it says.

73, Jeff
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From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James Holtzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: info needed on Motorola Spectra and Johnson mobiles
Date: 12 Jul 1995 02:44:08 GMT
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I need informaton on a Motorola Spectra model D43KMA7JA5BK and a Johnson
model 242-8515.  I would like to know the band split, no. of channels,
method of programming, computer, cloning, keyboard entry, power output,
and whatever else that would be interesting.  These would be used on
commercial freqs, so it is not necessary to go into the ham bands with
them..

Thanks - jrh
--
James Holtzman kc6ncg ([e-mail]) [phone]
"What this country needs is less people telling us what this country needs"
School of Engineering & Computer Science, Cal State University, Sacto, CA


From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
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Subject: Re: Apple Petition for Rulemaking "NII Band"
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Date: 12 Jul 1995 03:08:01 -0700
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Ed Mitchell ([e-mail]) recently wrote
         in <3ts4an$[e-mail]>:

: The 5.7 GHz band is already a shared Part 15 band. Apple's NII petition is
: basically an enhancement or extension to existing Part 15 usage. The
: petition does not now specifically give technical requirements to the
: proposed usage but it would appear to be basically low power devices (like
: Part 15) but with directional antennas allowed.

I basically agree with the Part 15 sharing.. I disagree with the NII
enhancement requesting to be equal sharing partners with the amateur
radio service using a "Part 16" set of rules. .

: I can hardly call this a "taking" of the 5.7 Ghz Amateur band.

This is a taking of the 5.7 GHz Amateur Radio Service band. It is a taking
when our noise floor is raised to the point where Amateurs have to operate
at higher and higher signal levels to overcome the noise. It is a taking
when we can no longer rely on coordination and band planning to solve
noise floor problems. The Amateur would be at a distinct disadvantage
trying to identify and locate "Part 16" transmitters and receivers causing
mutual interference.

: Our best hope for continued access to UHF spectrum is to share our
: allocations. Commercial interests don't particularly want to have shared
: bands. All Amateur allocations above 420 MHz are today shared bands. And
: remember that between 1980 and 1989, we lost an average of 9 MHz of
: spectrum each and every year. 1989's loss of 220-222 MHz made 1989 a
: fantastic year for ham radio - only 2 MHz lost!

Amateurs can "share" our valuble resource so 150 MHz of Amateur Radio
Service spectrum stays on the books.

Commercial as well as Amateur interests do not want to share spectrum with
unregulated noise sources. Commercial services with foresight have bought
spectrum by auction at well known give away prices. They own the spectrum
and can control the use. The use of the "Part 16" rules would force most
amateur experimenters and the amateur networks to fold due to the mounting
noise floor. The use of gsm and cdma require controlled spectrum to
operate with the throughputs or data rates described in the proposal. How
are Amateur stations in metropolitan areas going to find clean spectrum to
operate with out interfering with the equal but unregulated "Part 16"
stations.

You may remember what happened to the citizens band radio service when a
good marketing campaign put millions of unregulated users into a 40
channel radio service. Those that were able to communicate had to break
the rules to get above the noise floor. That former Amateur Radio Service
spectrum is still unusable today due to all the unregulated usage.

The same marketing campaign could plunder our 5.7 GHz amateur radio
service. When the four or five wide band NII data channels are unusable in
metro areas due to illegally high power unregulated data stations, the
Amateur Service would never be able to recover. The serious NII users
would move to the 40 GHz bands leaving the Amateurs with nothing but
noise.

Please tell me gently that this is not a legal taking of our Amateur
spectrum.

Bob  n6fri






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     Bob Wilkins                     work    [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Any Clubs in Wausau/Marathon, Wisconsin??
Date: 12 Jul 1995 04:31:49 GMT
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Alex Gong ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I am looking for any ham radio clubs in the area of Wausau or Marathon county.
: Also the repeater infos and packet BBS if any.
: Appreciate if you can give the contact person too.
: 73... de Alex
: Packet: KC6WIM @ W6QFK.#SOCA.CA.USA.NA

There is no LIFE in Wausau and/or marathon Cos!  :)  !!


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From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Martin Brenner)
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Subject: Re: Can 2M portables do this?
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There are type accepted motorola radios that I have seen at discount
stores for the mid two hundred dollar range.

Andrew Ward ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I need a couple portables (hand-helds) that can operate in the 151-154 Mhz region.
: This is a commercial band. The problem is that commercial radios seem to be $400-600
: MORE than 2M units and they operate about the same frequency. I understand that
: many of the handhelds (Yaesu, ICOM, Kenwood, etc) can RECEIVE out of the 2M band,
: but not transmit. Can some of these be modified to TRANSMIT (with license, of course)
: in the 154 Mhz region?


: What would you advise?

: -Andrew

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From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:41:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BV/N0IAT)
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Subject: urgently need FCC 610A form (not 610V) !
Date: 12 Jul 1995 04:53:52 GMT
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Someone Please Help--
I am in need of renewing my FCC Radio Amateur License
and I dont have access to any 610 forms.  I DO NOT
need the "vanity call sign form" (known as 610 V),
just need the plain-jane form to update/renew/change
address of an amateur station license. It must be a
newer version (I think printed after 1992 or 1993).
Are there any VE's on-line that might have 1 form to
spare?  I'll send you $1 or IRC to cover postage and a
QSL card in return.

Could someone please help me?  Please send me Email if
you can help and I'll send you my state-side address
(which is delivered via internal company mail every
few weeks to me in Taiwan).

Thank you in advance  de Joe
BV2/N0IAT



From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:42:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 10m Satellite Subband QSOs
Date: 12 Jul 1995 05:24:39 GMT
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Being a satellite operator and enjoying the hobby, I have
been noticing that over the past several weeks when 10m is
open, there are some amateurs caring on QSOs in the 10m
satellite subband (29.300-29.500). This is set aside for
space satellite downlinks. Two hams were on 29.303 talking
about who was on frequency (29.305), both were not! They
were from the southern states. The next group was about
5 hams using FM!!! Talking from New York to AL. PLEASE,
QSY down from 29.300 or up above 29.500 MHz. Those callsigns
will not be posted here nor emailed; they are in my logbook.

I know we all get excited when the band opens up, but try to
observe the gentlemens agreement and try to keep the QSO's
out of the subbands and the weak signal subbands. Thanks.

David - KB4LCI


From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:42:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Fuat C. Baran)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: hams on internet
Date: 12 Jul 1995 05:35:12 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Mike Chaloner <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Could someone please tell me where I can find a 'Hams on Internet' list?

Don't know abot "Hams on Internet", but there was a "Hams on Usenet"
list being maintained a while ago, with data culled from news
postings.  If you have access to a WWW browser see:

        http://www.acs.ncsu.edu/HamRadio/UsenetList.html

                                                --Fuat

Columbia University                             [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:42:02 1995
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From: "Marc Kilgore" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Personal Service 1-800-559-6557
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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On 9 Jul 1995 18:40:25 GMT,
jjhhggff   <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Personal Service for Adults Only

  << clip so that I don't spread this junk again >>
I tried sending this person a nice, civil, private email message
explaining that this was not an appropriate posting to the group.
(I'm sure that many of you saw that he posted it to EVERY radio group)
I got a good chuckle this evening when my mail was returned from
Compuserve - SORRY, MAILBOX IS FULL - PLEASE TRY AGAIN LATER. Looks
like they got mailbombed. Heh...heh...

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From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:42:02 1995
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Subject: Six Metre All Mode?
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 06:05:00 -0500
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]

GD>I am looking at getting a 6 metre rig. While it certainly depends on
GD>personal interest, how really useful are the other modes, other than FM,
GD>on 6 metres? A 6 metre FM only rig is a couple of hundred dollars less
GD>than an all mode.

How USEFUL? - Gosh, the SSB and CW are the two best modes on 6 metres.
I think Fm would just be an added bonus!
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Jury: A group chosen to decide who has the best lawyer.



From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:42:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BV/N0IAT)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: BEEPS AND BOOPS (was re:emergency communication on repeater)
Date: 12 Jul 1995 10:17:24 GMT
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Hey--what a great idea setting these CTCSS encodes and
decodes into memory--never thought of that.  Back in
Texas, we finally installed a CTCSS signal on the
output of the repeater ONLY when SIGNAL was coming in
through the COR line.  I began monitoring with my
"decoder" on all the time.  It was great not having to
listen to all the newbies try out their HT's and test
all billion repeater controller functions.  The dumb
lady voice synthesizer got old ...real old...It
reminds me of the days when:

a.  repeater squelch tails had to be less than 5 sec
b.  the FANCY repeaters added some 3-digit location
    designator after the standard 20wpm CW id
    and the da di di dah dit    di da dit
c.  when everyone could copy the cw id!

Plus, if a mayday came through, we'd always hear the
call because the REPEATER had the encoder, not the
REPEATER USER.  And a non-decoder equipped ham would
never know/notice the difference.    Worked very
well..73  Joe BV2/N0IAT



From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:42:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
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Subject: Re: 10m Satellite Subband QSOs
Date: 12 Jul 1995 10:30:06 GMT
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>Being a satellite operator and enjoying the hobby, I have
>been noticing that over the past several weeks when 10m is
>open, there are some amateurs caring on QSOs in the 10m
>satellite subband (29.300-29.500).

David,

Although I do not want to encurage terestial work in the
satellite sub-band, I should like to point out, that the situation
is not quite as straight foreward as you describe it.

There used to be a section in the 10 metre band from 29.500
to 29.700 where interesting contacts usint FM were possible
during band openings, but this section has in the mean time
been cluttered with repeaters, which render it unusable
during band openings.

Also, there is a large proportion of amateurs, backed by contest rules,
who value a direct QSO higher than one carriede out with the help of some
repeater or transponder. BTW some satellite operators (including you?)
get upset about someone using their band even when the bird is not on.

Well, what I am getting at is, that we have to look a bit closer
into the subject before talking about reaching of breaching gentlemen's
agreements.

73, Moritz DL5UH


From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:42:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Wittich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: urgently need FCC 610A form (not 610V) !
Date: 12 Jul 1995 11:11:06 GMT
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In article <3tvkh0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (BV/N0IAT) writes:
|> Someone Please Help--
|> I am in need of renewing my FCC Radio Amateur License
|> and I dont have access to any 610 forms.  I DO NOT
|> need the "vanity call sign form" (known as 610 V),
|> just need the plain-jane form to update/renew/change
|> address of an amateur station license. It must be a
|> newer version (I think printed after 1992 or 1993).
|> Are there any VE's on-line that might have 1 form to
|> spare?  I'll send you $1 or IRC to cover postage and a
|> QSL card in return.
|>
|> Could someone please help me?  Please send me Email if
|> you can help and I'll send you my state-side address
|> (which is delivered via internal company mail every
|> few weeks to me in Taiwan).
|>
|> Thank you in advance  de Joe
|> BV2/N0IAT
|>

Joe,
Email bounced...problem here I think, but go with your address...
I'll have one on the way to you tonight.

Jeff - AC4ZO
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From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:42:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
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In article <3ttrqb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>In Article <[e-mail]>
>[e-mail] writes:
>>My question is: can he get his ham license or will the FCC deny him on
>>this basis?

>       There is an ongoing case now involving the renewal of license
>of one H. L. Schoenbohm, KV4FZ.  I understand he was convicted of a
>felony regarding possession of telephone access codes.  As some of you
>may know, he has been very controversial for many years.  There are
>many, many good hams who are applauding the FCC's action in this case.
>We only wonder what took them so long.

There's more to the KV4FZ thing than the felony.  He was, I believe,
deeply involved in the 14.313 mess, and his high profile there caused
the FCC and others to look more deeply into his activities in other
areas.  One would hardly expect them to renew his ham license after
all that has occurred.  After all, he's demonstrated pretty clearly
that the doesn't believe the FCC's amateur radio rules apply to him!

To the guy with the friend who wants to get a license:  tell your friend
to go to the local Radio Shack and pick up a license study guide.  In
the guide is a form 610.  I don't have one in front of me, but I don't
recall any questions about felony convictions.  Tell him to just apply
for the license like anyone else would.

73,
Peter
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From [e-mail] Wed Jul 12 10:42:08 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: **LAST DAYS TO VOTE ON THE VANITY CALL PROGRAM**
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio) writes:
>In article <3tu2su$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>(Butch Magee) wrote:
>> In article <[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail] (JEFF SUMBERG) says:
>> >
>> >RS>July 12 begins a new month long poll. The new poll question asks "SHOULD
>> >  >THE CODE REQUIREMENTS BE REDUCED/ELIMINATED FOR LICENSING PRIVILEGES ABOVE
>> >  >30 MHZ? All poll results are forwarded to the League and the Ham Radio
>> >
>> No code liscense is available for operation above 30 MHz.  I am curious
>> why you are taking these polls and if you think the ARRL and the rest
>> of us in the Amateur community would care about receiving questionable
>> polling results?
>
>Well Butch you caught the typo.Yes it should read below 30 MHz.
>Regarding the rest of your concerns. Over 350 hams thought the Vanity
>Callsign issue was important enough to vote on, and scores of hams
>e-mailed their support. They saw the potential the WWW has to survey large
>groups of people in real time.The league itself asks hams to fill out
>survey questions from time to time. Should no one else have that right?
>When over 350 hams express an opinion on a topic I believe it has some
>value. It should be noted that the Ham Poll is new and should increase its
>survey numbers as more hams become familiar with it, and are able to
>access the Web. Everthing needs time to grow.73's Ray

Unfortunately, this type of popularity contest has little meaning
as a polling technique. There are two major problems. First, the
sample is self-selected which biases the result, and second, the
sample isn't demographically representative. You can partially
rectify both failings by designing the questions properly. You
need to ask more than one question, and the questions have to be
selected to highlight the sample biases so that they can be properly
weighted. This isn't easy, which is why most polling organizations
don't use self-selected polling techniques.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:23 1995
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From: Mike Witkowski <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: fido7.su.hamradio,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HELP ME !!
Date: 10 Jul 1995 03:39:38 GMT
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Hi Alex my name is Mike and I am listed in any callbook on the ARRL SWL
Bureau that I take care of. I have a very big collection of qsl managers
so I may be of some help to you. I will look these up for you and sent you
the managers via the Internet. Along with the swl bureau I have my own dx
newsletter called the hamband dxer. In my spare time I also run a bulletin
board called the byte stops here!. We have ham programs on this board and
every month we have a updated file for our qsl manager database. The board
is available 24hrs a day at 1-715-341-9723. I will wait to hear from you
first before I look up these managers for you. Please reply that you have
received this message. 73's and the very best of dx. Mike WDX9JFT



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Braun)
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Subject: Re: I AM AGAINST!!
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In Article <3tppgo$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner) writes:

> >before I go before any VE team I will ask are there any no code extras
> >on the team. I mean someone who got there extra without taking the code.
>
> I don't understand this.  ALL extra class ops must take and pass a 20 wpm
> code test.

There are no true "No code extras".  This obviously refers to the
situation of someone who passed a 5 wpm code test, got a physician's
waiver for the 13/20 wpm code tests, then passed all the written elements
and got an extra class license.  There are a few VE's around who fit this
situation; in fact, a guy who passed his "extra" class exam this way
at a VE session I was involved with is now a VE and heads up a team giving
exams in the Lake Ozark, MO area.  As a VE team leader who has been involved
with at least 75 exam sessions over a 6-7 year time frame, I too have
concerns about such people giving CW exams.  The VE scheme is basically
set up so that non-extras can administer elements relating only to
licenses below their own, and cannot give elements they themselves have
not passed.  I think that, since questions about CW elements DO
occasionally come up, that CW-waivered VE's should not be giving CW exams.
Unfortunately, there is no way for the VEC's to know who those people are,
since their licenses do not indicate that they were waived from their CW
requirement.  A valid point is being made here, but the solution being
proposed is basically unenforceable, unfortunately.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
*  Alan Braun MD, NS0B/V31EV  *   Internet: [e-mail]      *
*  Jefferson City, MO         *   Packet: NS0B@N0LBA.#cemo.mo.usa.noam  *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Braun)
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Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I AM AGAINST!!
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In Article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:

> I do agree that there are people out there who deserve a waiver from
> elements of the test. To those people I will say I am sorry. But most
> likely those people are truly disable and will not be involved in the VE
> program.

The law relating to disability waivers does not define the types of
disabilities that qualify.  All it takes is getting an MD or DO to sign
the back of the 610 form.  We have in our area a VE who got his license
this way (at one of my club's exam sessions, BTW), who now heads up an
exam team in an adjacent town.  His disability has no impact on his
ability to copy CW or to get around, but he was able to get a waiver
anyway.  As a physician (and a VE team leader) I knew all this but the law
does not allow VE's to question signed waiver forms so I had to let it pass.
Furthermore, the VEC's have no way to tell who such people are due to
their licenses not indicating that they were waivered out of their CW
exams.  But to state that they "will not be involved in the VE program" is
a grave error as many of them are.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
*  Alan Braun MD, NS0B/V31EV  *   Internet: [e-mail]      *
*  Jefferson City, MO         *   Packet: NS0B@N0LBA.#cemo.mo.usa.noam  *
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl  Budd Lake)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The Forbidden Drawing
Date: 12 Jul 1995 05:10:39 GMT
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Ed Ellers ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Darryl Smith <[e-mail]> writes:
:
: >In the USA the white pages are not copyright because they have NO artistic
: >metit at all.
:
: Wrong.  Copyright doesn't depend on artistic merit.

But in the cited "white pages" example, the US Supreme court said
that the white pages was not copyrightable because there was
no creative effort involved.  The white pages being nothing more
than an alphabetical listing of telephone subscribers (i.e. such
an alphabetical list as the white pages was neither creative...
nor artistic...i.e. creative).

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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Hare)
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Subject: Re: Arlb067 arrl president
Date: 12 Jul 1995 09:20:16 -0400
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Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Wilson professed "undying love for the ARRL."
: That is a term best reserved for a REAL loved one, a human one.

Then Mr. Wilson used the term correctly; there are 170,000+ real people that
are part of the League.  I don't think I love every one of them, but
I know I feel love for many I have met. As I go to conventions and hamfests,
I see a lot of League diamonds on the badges of people I talk to.  These
people are not some faceless organization.  The ARRL is far more than "that
organization in Newington."  The ARRL is also what the local hams make it in
each ARRL Section and Division.

73 from ARRL HQ, Ed Hare, KA1CV








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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (GFA Robin)
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Subject: Re: mobile scanner laws for Hams
Date: 12 Jul 1995 10:46:20 -0400
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Steve,
Where can I obtain a copy of the documentation you referred to? I have a
mobile scanner hard-wired into my vehicle as well as my mobile Ham radio.
I don't chase ambulances or anything like that, I just like to listen.
Here in WI I don't have a problem, I'm just worried about when I go on
vacation.

Robin


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (L. Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kenwood BT-9 pack - No NiCd's?
Date: 12 Jul 95 10:59:25
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I recently bought a Kenwood BT-9 AA-battery adaptor (it holds 4
standard AA cells and plugs in like the normal nicad pack for the TH22AT).
The TH22AT manual and the BT-9 have a warning:

"Installing NiCd batteries in the battery case will cause an
electrical short that generates heat and damages either the battery
case or the transceiver"

I'm wondering how is this possible? Also, does anyone know if charging a
NiCd equipped BT-9 pack is OK using the radio's internal charger?

I checked the schematic and the TH22AT internal charger uses an
(emitter follower) constant current source set to about 50 mA.

Thanks!






From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:30 1995
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Subject: Re: mobile scanner laws for Hams
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From: [e-mail] (D. Larson)
Date: 12 Jul 95 11:10:58 MDT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>In article <3ts2qe$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (GFA Robin) writes:
>>I have heard a rumor that says anyone with an Amateur Radio license can
>>legally operate a mobile police scanner in any state. I have searched the
>>Internet for information on this and can't find anything. Does anyone know
>>where I might find a copy of this law?
>
>There is no such law. Most State anti-scanner laws have exemptions
>for amateurs. I believe Kentucky was the most recent to add that
>feature to their anti-scanner law. However, in some cases local
>jurisdictions also have anti-scanner laws, and some do not offer
>a waiver for amateurs.
>
>Only criminals, and news reporters (same thing, profiting from radio
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^  Agreed.

>intercepts is a violation of CCA'34), have a need to monitor police
>calls from an automobile (so the thinking goes).
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  Your's too apparently.

                                                   Are you wanting to
>be the lookout man for a stickup gang? Or are you just a voyeur who
>wants to be on the scene (and in the way) of police busts? In either
>case, the police don't want you listening.
>
>Gary

Gary, I think you're being a little harsh.  I use a scanner in my
vehicle and have many other reasons for doing so.  Actually I
have it for many reasons and the ones you mentioned are none
of the reasons I use a mobile scanner.  First of all the police
are naieve to think that the only thing I want to hear is them.
BULL!!!
On the rare occasions that I do about the extend of it is if
I hear of some road blockage on my route I'll avoid it and also
avoid the detours that they are sending uninformed people on.
This not only *helps* the police but the congestion too.
73
KC7EGB
---Donald Larson---
---Laramie Wyoming---


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:31 1995
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From: "Walter L. Zorn" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dumb and dumber
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 11:16:20 EDT
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Hello all,

I responded to Bill via E-Mail, If your interested in my response - E-mail
me and I'll forward my resonse.

Offer void after 14July95 2000 GMT.

On 11 Jul 1995 18:30:13 GMT,
Bill Blohm  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Walter, you probably did this, but just in case, couldn't you just keep
>looking and as soon as the other guy stopped, inform him that you were
>mobile and looking for a place to pull off the road so that you could try
>to pass his info on or copy it down?  A calm response might even get him
>to relax now that he knows he has someone on the other end, and you could
>also specify that he needs to stay on the frequency so that you could
>maintain contact.  Tell him you missed his call when he called you, and
>would he please repeat just the call?  Then put out a call yourself on the
>same frequency asking if anyone else was available to better handle this
>emergency traffic immediately.  And request that they respond directly to
>the person initiating the emergency traffic.  Wouldn't that help in a
>situation like that?  Seems that would let you both know that there was
>someone else more able to respond with help immediately or not.  Basically,
>take charge of the emergency but be ready to hand it off to someone better
>positioned.  It sounds like the original caller, KF0OS, was a little frantic
>from all the adrenalin and would have liked you to take control.
>
>I'm really interested in this as I'm part of our local RACES group, so the
>more I can learn from actual emergencies, the better I hope to be prepared.
>
>As to me, I guess I don't really see the difference between "[call] mobile
>and listening" and "[call] mobile. listening."  Seems like both indicate
>a mobile unit, whether in car or on foot, and that that person is just
>listenning.  I'd also consider mobile appropriate when parked in the car,
>as you can just turn the key and go.
>
>I confess I'm new, as you can tell from my call, only 3 months, but I don't
>see how there's any real confusion, just a matter of arguing about syntax
>that results in the same effect.
>
>Respectfully & 73 de Bill, KC7JSD
>



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:33 1995
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From: "Walter L. Zorn" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: mobile scanner laws for Hams
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 12:30:35 EDT
Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN
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On 12 Jul 1995 00:25:45 GMT,
Rod Davis  <[e-mail]> wrote:

{prior stuff deleted}

>In Florida hams are exempted from Florida Statute 843.16 (Unlawful to
>install radio equipment using assigned frequency of state or law
>enforcement officers; definitions;execeptions; penalties. -)
>
>I have one question about section 1 below:
>
>(1)  No person, firm or corporation shall install in any motor vehicle or
>business establishment, except emergency vehicles as herin defined, or
>places established by municipal, county, state, or federal authority
>for governmental purposes, any frequency modulation radio receiving
>equipment so adjusted or tuned as to receive messages or signals on
>frequencies assigned by the Federal Communications Commission to police
>or law enforcement officers of any city or county of the state or to the
>state or any of its agencies.  Provided, nothing herin shall be construed
>to affect any radio station licensed by the Federal Communications
>System.

How does one get a FCS license?

>I understand the part about installing a scanner in a "motor vehicle",
>but what about the "business establishment" part?   Does it mean you
>can't have a scanner installed in a store in Florida?  I know A.E.S.
>Orlando has 2 or 3 scanners running on their front counter every time
>I go in there.

I'll bet that there's someone in the store with an FCC license.

>Our exemption:
>
>(3)  This section shall not apply to any holders of a valid amateur
>radio operator or station license issued by the Federal Communications
>Commission.

This would be replicate and unnecessary if the, "Provided, nothing herin
shall be construed to affect any radio station licensed by the Federal
Communications System." is really, "Provided, nothing herin shall be
construed to affect any radio station licensed by the Federal
Communications Commission." In, Florida Statute 843.16.

>I was told by the director of communications of our local police
>department (also a ham) that a hand-held scanner not attached to the
>car by a power cord or external antenna is not considered "installed."
>He also said the instant you modify your radio to transmit out of the
>amateur band and possibly on law enforcement frequencies (by snipping
>that little blue wire or removing some smt components), you are no longer
>covered under the "receive" catagory of F.S. 843.16 and you are in
>violation of the law.

On the other hand - there's no type acceptance for ham bands.  Please don't
suggest (except in communication emergencies) that the police dispatch on
{put your favorite ham freq. here}.

>I know that the 6 o'clock news makes a big story out of a captured bank
>robber suspect that had a scanner on the front seat of the getaway car.
>So I guess we scanner enthusiasts are "suspect" when stopped by the
>police and have the AOR 1500 on the front seat.
>
>One last item of information.  A friend of mine was driving down the
>road in Central Florida and attempting mobile 2 meter packet.  He had
>a notebook on the passenger seat hooked to a tnc and into his installed
>mobile radio.  He was stopped and given a ticken under the Florida law
>that prohibits "watching television" by any front seat occupant in a
>moving vehicle.

Logic, not law!  This should have been posted under "Dumb and dumber."

On the other hand, is it against the law, in Florida, to leave the controls
and slide into the back seat to take care of that priority packet message?
If not, this could be extended?  It would be very helpful, on a long RV
road trip to Micky Land, to leave the controls for the restroom - maybe,
resuming the actual control of the RV later.  :)

>The State of Florida just went on-line in January.  You might try
>searching their information at:  http//FCN.state.fl.us

Rod - a pleasure,
Walt



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:34 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Do Pre-amps work?
Date: 12 Jul 1995 13:00:31 -0400
Organization: Central Virginia's Free-Net
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I've seen several amplifiers with built in pre-amps recently. I
can understand the use of a preamp up on a tower to prevent
feedline losses, but if my HT is connected to the 2 to 50W amp,
will the pre-amp do anything?

I have heard that pre-amps are useless because todays receivers
are very sensitive; the arguement is that the pre-amp amplifies
the signal AND the noise.

Except in the long feedline case, will a pre-amp help my HT,
mobile or base station receiver, or is it useless feature?

--Thanks
--
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  Todd Owen (KE4UDN)         Virginia Commonwealth University
  [e-mail]      Richmond, Virginia
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Becker)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Email not protected
Date: 12 Jul 1995 13:06:20 GMT
Organization: Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, New York  12504
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In article <[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Atta boy, Greg, go to it!!! Someone tried to be helpful and you scorned his
>well-meaning advice...so, please, after you get yourself in one big mess
>come back here and tell us all about it so we can have a good laugh on you.
>GFor your information, a photograph is considered copyrighted before it is
>even developed. Don't forget now, be sure and tell us about the jam you get
>yourself in.

Who the hell are you, what the hell are you talking about, and that the
hell is your point? If you have something to say to me from this point
forward, either say it in private email or keep your fingers off the
keyboard.

Now, if I think I understand what you're blathering about, it refers to
my comments about the copyright discussion (which, IMHO, belongs on
rec.hang.all.the.lawyers, not rec.radio.anything). My point in the
original post was that the subject was much more complex than posters
were making it out to be, and the advice that you so admired was not
necessarily applicable to the issue at hand, and that more info was
available to those interested. I certainly don't need information or
advice from YOU, though...

BTW - who said anything about photographs? Geez! Idiots just FLOCK from
the woodwork to add their undereducated, underinformed $.02...

Greg Becker NA2N
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (WBFO FM 88.7 Summer Intern)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Italian address...
Date: 12 Jul 1995 13:15 EDT
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Hello, KB2HWX here. I rarely make a European contact.
I talked to IK4GRO, Lauro Zanoli in Northern Italy
and I desire a qsl card.
I accessed the QRZ database and got "address 1 and address 2"
and I'm not sure how to address my qsl card.
Here's the info:
Address 1: Via Degli Espostil 9
Address 2: 41018 S. Cesario S.P., MO Italy
Does anyone on this newsgroup know if I should include
both lines on my card or is one different than another?

Also, when qsling with European countries, is it better/best to
mail qsl cards in envelopes or just as postcards.
I am thinking that it would be good if I included
a self-addressed unstamped envelope.

(I really want a card from Italy.)

Please e-mail me at the address below, directly, with any
advice and info.

Also, if anyone could look up TI2JJP (Jose, Costa Rica)
for me I would appreciate it as I can't seem to find his address anywhere.


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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:37 1995
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Subject: 10m Satellite Subband QSOs
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 13:41:11 EST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: HumberNet LSS
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>
> >Being a satellite operator and enjoying the hobby, I have
> >been noticing that over the past several weeks when 10m is
> >open, there are some amateurs caring on QSOs in the 10m
> >satellite subband (29.300-29.500).
>
> David,
>
> Although I do not want to encurage terestial work in the
> satellite sub-band, I should like to point out, that the situation
> is not quite as straight foreward as you describe it.
>
> There used to be a section in the 10 metre band from 29.500
> to 29.700 where interesting contacts usint FM were possible
> during band openings, but this section has in the mean time
> been cluttered with repeaters, which render it unusable
> during band openings.
>
> Also, there is a large proportion of amateurs, backed by contest rules,
> who value a direct QSO higher than one carriede out with the help of some
> repeater or transponder. BTW some satellite operators (including you?)
> get upset about someone using their band even when the bird is not on.
>
> Well, what I am getting at is, that we have to look a bit closer
> into the subject before talking about reaching of breaching gentlemen's
> agreements.
>
> 73, Moritz DL5UH
>

Why not use 29.5 or somewhere between 29.1 and 29.2 for FM simplex ?
What about the odd frequencies between 29.5 and 29.6 (ie..not the even
rptr input frequencies) ?
I know what you're getting at...there seems to have been a lack of
consideration to the FM portion of 10 meters when the sats were
allocated.
Maybe they should change the 10m bandplan: 28.0 - 28.2 CW
                                           28.2 - 28.3 Beacons
                                           28.3 - 28.5 Novice SSB
                                           28.5 - 28.8 Tech SSB
                                           28.8 - 29.0 AM
                                           29.0 - 29.2 FM Simplex
                                           29.2 - 29.5 Satellite
                                           29.5 - 29.6 FM repeaters I/P
                                           29.6 - 29.7 FM Repeater  O/P

Regards...Hugh  VA3TO  Toronto

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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas C Sefranek)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I AM AGAINST!!
Date: 12 Jul 1995 13:45:14 -0400
Organization: iii.net
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Hey Jeff,
         I bet you'd be suprised to find that here in Massachusetts,
our driving tests are administered by folks who don't kow how to drive...
The STATE POLICE!!!  I've yet to see one obeying the speed laws,
the laws reguarding safe driving, etc.  But by Golly, they get to the
barracks in time for the end of work shift, and to spare!

Now... as for the real issue, I DON'T CARE HOW the extra got his ticket!
He has it and that's all that's required!  (I wouldn't show my face at
an exam session as a VE if I was granted a waiver for High Blood Pressure!)
(But that's me!)  I need every VE I can get!  I have had to cancel sessions
for lack of VE's.  (I'll nail any DIS-Honest VE personally!)

I can't believe the attitude though!  A fellow is willing to VOLUNTEER his
time and stuff to help others into the hobby, and is abused for it.
Is it that there is a fear he will "comminicate" how to avoid the code test?
Is it fear he will "allow" a passing grade when one is not warrented?
Or is it, everyone else has had to do it, so measure up?

All me team's VE started out as NO-CODE techs.  They sweated out the code
test, one way or another.  And Yes! some by multiple guess, or multiple
tests (every month for a year!).  I don't care, the FCC has granted the
license, which is good enough for me.  (I'd rather not know if you got your
ticket via waiver, though!  It will make for a better relationship.)
I even know a fellow who was granted, via a mistake at the FCC, an advanced
license, when he passed his general.  Yes, the paper-work was CORRECT.
I brought the issue to the VEC, it was dismissed, so the fellow finished up
his Extra code and written and is one now!  I suppose knowing the code well
was reason enough to waive the hardest written we offer!  :) :) :)
(The fellow was a Navy code instructor!)

Do (collective) you get it?  Let's not put stumbling blocks before the
"blind", rather let's spend our energy enhancing the prospectives.

Tom


--
Thomas C. J. Sefranek  WA1RHP


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HOW DO YOU CHANGE FINGERPRINT ON RAIDO ?
Date: 12 Jul 1995 13:46:00 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Mary Johnson) says:

>I Bought a raido off someone who turrned out to be a big Jammer
>and now i stuck with a raido that gets me thrown off of many repeaters
>Could Someone Please Tell Me How I Can Change The
>Imprint on the raido or FingerPrint it leaves when it first keys Up
>And Please Post It On Here And  Not This Mail Box At I Don't Want
>My Any one here reading it HiHi
>

I didn't know you could fingerprint a raido! They mess up the ink pad too
much...

                                        Zack W9SZ


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas C Sefranek)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I AM AGAINST!!
Date: 12 Jul 1995 13:55:02 -0400
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Jim,
        You obviously havn't been at an exam session...
Cheat?  How do you imagine knowing the code allows the VE to better
recognize cheating?  I venture, MOST of the exam sessions I've attended
have had MANY extra's who couldn't do 20 W/M if their lives depended on
it.  Passing the test once is all that's required.  Forgetting code after
is often a very real possibility.

Tom

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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:40 1995
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From: USCG TELECOMMS <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:55:24 -0400
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According to a brief article in the Aug QST, Herb has violated the FCC
exparte rules concerning the pending action against him by discussing the
matter on the radio and soliciting the help of a politician.
If they don't get him on the felony conviction, they probably will
on the exparte violation.......Ron, W4VR

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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Musick/N0QBF)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: source of quick-release harness for mobile rigs ??
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:42:52 -0500
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> Can anyone point me to:
>      (1) a commercially made product
>   or (2) useful homebrew hints
> for a quick-disconnect harness for a mobile 2M or dual-band rig ?
> (The rig in question is a Yaesu FT-2400).

In the interest of time, I can point you to a company - Gamber-Johnson -
but unfortunately I don't have phone number or address handy. They are
related to the folks who make Larsen Antennas, so that might be a lead.
The only place I've seen 'em advertise in the ham market is "CQ" magazine.

Gamber-Johnson makes a line of stacking mobile mounts (I have one) as well
as a professional-grade quick disconnect, including models with N
connectors. Recalling the literature I received (now *deeply* buried)
about it, it probably will not require any mods to your rig.
  ...mm

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Mike Musick/N0QBF               [e-mail]
TALX Directory Division         71301,[e-mail]
St. Louis, MO
                Opinions expressed are my own...
                  ...like someone else would want 'em, right?
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:41 1995
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From: sbour@comp (John S. Bour)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Callsign server @ U Arkansas?
Date: 12 Jul 1995 14:52:54 GMT
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Gachon Philippe SUPAERO ([e-mail]) wrote:

: > > The address I have is:  CALLSIGN.UALR.EDU 2000
: > I have tried to use this and get in, but what is the login and password
: > (I tried my e-mail address and quest to no avail)??
: > Thanks
: >
: >

: login : anonymous
: password : your e-mail address

I suspect the following was left out:
ftp callsign.ualr.edu

: Connected to athena.ualr.edu.
: 220 athena.ualr.edu MultiNet FTP Server Process 3.4(14) at Tue 11-Jul-95 8:10AM-CDT
: Name (CALLSIGN.UALR.EDU:thivet): anonymous
: 331 anonymous user ok. Send real ident as password.
: Password: [e-mail]
: 230-Welcome to the University of Arkansas at Little Rock anonymous FTP server

The above gets you into the anonymous FTP site, but *not* to the callsign
server.

To connect to the server you must telnet to it using port 2000.

From a U*IX account or some versions of VMS TCP/IP packages:

$ telnet callsign.ualr.edu 2000

From VMS using Multinet:

$ telnet callsign.ualr.edu /port=2000

From other Telnet clients:  make sure the TCP port number is set to 2000
(usually defaults to 23)

If you are unable to cause your telnet client to use port 2000, you *will*
receive a username and password prompt from athena.ualr.edu; you will not be
able to access the server this way.

Any further questions/problems/etc, feel free to contact me...

73
--Steve KC5NXR
  New email address:  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kenwood TM-733A Question
Date: 12 Jul 1995 15:37:06 GMT
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Just installed a TM-733A and found a feature (?) that
I cant find in the owners manual.  If you hod [F] for
more than one second, the button on the right (next
to BEEP) has a big X over it. This isnt shown on the
manual for [F] functions on p. 24.  If you push that
button it keys the radio and the only way I could unkey
was to do a reset.  Powering off the radio didnt help
as the radio would power on in transmit mode.

Anyone know what that feature is for and how to unkey
without resetting in case it is accidentally activated?

Bob


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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Francis A. Ney, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Apple Petition for Rulemaking "NII Band"
Date: 12 Jul 1995 16:26:26 -0400
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In article <3u06u1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

> The same marketing campaign could plunder our 5.7 GHz amateur radio
> service. When the four or five wide band NII data channels are unusable in
> metro areas due to illegally high power unregulated data stations, the
> Amateur Service would never be able to recover. The serious NII users
> would move to the 40 GHz bands leaving the Amateurs with nothing but
> noise.
>
> Please tell me gently that this is not a legal taking of our Amateur
> spectrum.
>
> Bob  n6fri

Point of Information.

What specific use is station N6FRI making of the 5.7 GHz band?

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always automatically 'right.'  Guns ended that, and social democracy is a
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                - L. Neil Smith, _The Probability Broach_



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Arlb067 arrl president
Date: 12 Jul 1995 16:40:36 GMT
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Ed,

Burt is not worth the time.  Below your post are my final words to Burt
(adjusted for the current post), and a reply to his orignial post on
this subject.  I agree with what you have stated, and Burt will probably
ignore the point that Mr. Wilson was speaking about people, not an
organization (in the strictist sense of the word).


In article <3u0i6g$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ed Hare) writes:
|>
|> Then Mr. Wilson used the term correctly; there are 170,000+ real people that
|> are part of the League.  I don't think I love every one of them, but
|> I know I feel love for many I have met. As I go to conventions and hamfests,
|> I see a lot of League diamonds on the badges of people I talk to.  These
|> people are not some faceless organization.  The ARRL is far more than "that
|> organization in Newington."  The ARRL is also what the local hams make it in
|> each ARRL Section and Division.
|>
|> 73 from ARRL HQ, Ed Hare, KA1CV
|>

Burt's posting is the most cold and heartless posting I have ever
had the displeasure of seeing come across the net.  To attack someone
who has suffered and now must leave his job due to health.  And in his
last comments, leave a heartfelt thanks to the PEOPLE he has worked
with.

He is not worth any more of our time, and I consider
his worthless dribble to no longer be a plea for attention, but
garbage that will simply be put in its proper place before it
even comes into my machine.

HE REALLY NEEDS A LIFE.

My author kill file now includes Burt Fisher, and the 'net is a more
genteel place.

To all others out there, have pity on this poor lifeless lump of
flesh that has insisted on posting here.  Burt apparently cannot get
satisfaction in his own home, like the rest of us.




--
======================================================================

Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jorge M Flores / KO6HP)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood TM-733A Question
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:03:14 GMT
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[e-mail] (Bob Levine) wrote:


>Just installed a TM-733A and found a feature (?) that
>I cant find in the owners manual.  If you hod [F] for
>more than one second, the button on the right (next
>to BEEP) has a big X over it. This isnt shown on the
>manual for [F] functions on p. 24.  If you push that
>button it keys the radio and the only way I could unkey
>was to do a reset.  Powering off the radio didnt help
>as the radio would power on in transmit mode.

>Anyone know what that feature is for and how to unkey
>without resetting in case it is accidentally activated?

>Bob


>---
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>--------------------------------------------------------

Bob:
        The X you see is the cross band repeat feature that Kenwood did not
print in the manual.  There are other features not printed in the
manual too. You can call Kenwood to receive the info and get the run
around.  Another option that you can send me a SASE (a very big
envelope with first class postage, it is very heavy) to my call book
address and I will send you every possible mod and undocumented
features on the TM-733A.

73!


Cyber Intelligent Designs From The Radio-Zoo
Jorge M Flores / KO6HP
Internet Address: [e-mail]
24Hrs Fax (9600bps receive):  213 - **comming soon**




From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Soo-Hoo)
Subject: Re: HOW DO YOU CHANGE FINGERPRINT ON RAIDO ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <3u0jmo$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Zack Widup) writes:
>
>In a previous article, [e-mail] (Mary Johnson) says:
>
>>I Bought a raido off someone who turrned out to be a big Jammer
>>and now i stuck with a raido that gets me thrown off of many repeaters
>>Could Someone Please Tell Me How I Can Change The
>>Imprint on the raido or FingerPrint it leaves when it first keys Up
>>And Please Post It On Here And  Not This Mail Box At I Don't Want
>>My Any one here reading it HiHi
>>
>
>I didn't know you could fingerprint a raido! They mess up the ink pad too
>much...
>

I'm a little skeptical about this message.  Particularly the when she
claims that many repeaters throw her off, because of the "fingerprint"
(I rather call it a radio signature, but you can change it to raido if you
have the need to..) her radio gives off during transmissions.  How
many repeaters or operators actually have this equipment?  Do you
really think the majority of repeaters actually have this equipment
(which I understand is quite expensive).

Mary is either on some controlled substance or there are a group of
people trying to play a sick prank on her (or she could be flame baiting).


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Voiceoflib)
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>You missed one listing:
>Sunday   1000-1200 UTC - the Lets Blow Up Oklahoma City Hour, presented
by
>the Reverend I.M. Crazee.

>Good Reception, but kind of noisy.  Wear earplugs.
>Am Echad

And one other listing-
  Saturday, 1500-1501 UTC - the Trust Your Government Show starring Oliver
North, Janet Reno, Bill Clinton.  Short, but informative.  Detailed
examples of how government has actually served the people.

Paul Parsons
Voice of Liberty


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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB068
ARLB068 Fines for 4 amateurs

ZCZC AG35
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 68  ARLB068
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  July 13, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB068
ARLB068 Fines for 4 amateurs

Four amateurs cited by the Federal Communications Commission for
malicious interference on the 2-meter band have had the amounts of
their monetary forfeitures adjusted.

The four, all in the New Orleans area, were cited for transmissions
made in the spring of 1993.  In September 1993 all four received
Notices of Apparent Liability from the FCC's New Orleans office.
The FCC, after reviewing responses from all four, then issued
Notices of Forfeiture in November 1993, all in the amount of 2000
dollars.  All four appealed the NOFs.

While these appeals were pending, the Court of Appeals for the D.C.
Circuit vacated the forfeiture guidelines that the New Orleans Field
Office had followed in the forfeitures, and on reconsideration, the
FCC's Compliance and Information Bureau reduced them.

On July 10, 1995, the FCC issued Orders in all four cases, noting
that the cases were based on information provided by the Amateur
Auxiliary, and saying that ''use of amateur volunteers for the
purposes of monitoring violations in the amateur service is
permitted by the (Communications) Act. In fact, the amateur radio
community has distinguished itself for its self policing
operations.''

The FCC reduced the fine for Joseph F. Richard III, N5JNX, from 2000
dollars to 1000 dollars, rejecting his contention that tape
recordings used by the FCC in the case are ''inaccurate or
misleading.''

Vernon Paroli, KA5OWW, had his forfeiture amount reduced to 700
dollars, based on his claim of being financially unable to pay the
2,000 dollar forfeiture originally assessed.

The forfeiture amount for Will T. Blanton, N5ROC, was reduced from
2,000 dollars to 1,000 dollars.  That of John B. Genovese, WB5LOC,
was lowered to 500 dollars, because of the shorter duration of his
transmissions.
NNNN
/EX



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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB069
ARLB069 5 GHz petition opposed

ZCZC AG36
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 69  ARLB069
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  July 13, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB069
ARLB069 5 GHz petition opposed

The ARRL has filed comments on a petition for rule making that would
allocate 300 MHz of spectrum in the 5-GHz band, an action that would
affect the Amateur Radio Service.

The petition, by Apple Computer, Inc, seeks 150 MHz, at 5150 to 5300
MHz, and 5725 to 5875 MHz.   Amateurs currently have access to the
entire range 5650 to 5925 MHz on a shared basis.

The Apple petition, RM 8653, seeks the spectrum for a new,
unlicensed radio service that the League called ''essentially
unregulated, save for certain technical rules,'' and that proposes
the use of directional antennas and relatively high power, and
protected allocation status in shared bands by ''non-technical
persons.''

And in defense of the Amateur Radio allocation in the 5-GHz band the
ARRL cited activity in a number of metropolitan areas around the US.

The League said the petition doesn't show why 300 MHz is necessary
for such a service (and why existing allocations are not
sufficient); why existing wireless and wireline services aren't
sufficient; and why a proceeding such is this should not wait until
current proposals on such services are resolved.

The ARRL also said the petition fails to consider compatibility
between the proposed new radio service and other services (including
Amateur).
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:50 1995
From: [e-mail] (Bruno Bienenfeld)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:17:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Reciprocal licence wanted for ISRAEL
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To get Israely reciprocal license is a matter of 20 to 30 min.
Upon arrival, you should visit Israely Ministary of Telecomunication,
Radio Amateur Section  in Tel Aviv located in "Shalom Towers".
Present your valid license and in 5 min you are done!!
That is if the person in charge is in the office, not on coffee/tea
break or strike.

If you run into any problems, please get in touch with 4X1AH - Yankel
or 4X1AT - Aharon.

from the log of AA6AD


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Date: 12 Jul 1995 17:28:08 GMT
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I liked it better when the FCC gave the exams.  Just a comment from an
old curmudgeon :-)

N5GE



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:51 1995
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From: Tom Childers <[e-mail]>
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If I am not mistaken you are the proud owner of a 1976 D104
(special for the Bi-Centenial Year).  Don't let it get away.

N5GE



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From: [e-mail] (Larry AD3Y)
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Subject: Re: Code boot camp?
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In article <3tq7vv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jack Hamilton) writes:
> Is there such a thing as a code boot camp, where I could go for a few
> days and just have it drilled into me?

You could consider a major CW contest as a code boot camp.
Something like SS CW would do wonders for your code speed.



Where have all the sunspots gone?
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Lockheed Martin Corp.   |  in no way related to my company. All my
Moorestown, NJ   USA    |  designs are my companies and in no way
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:52 1995
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Gerald Schmitt <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>This urban legend of the no code Extra is more of the CW forever
>paranoia.

Really? This is the first time I've ever heard of it on here or
anywhere else. Just like your recent choice of words (`paranoia',
`religious', `ravings'), another exaggeration on your part.

Jeff NH6IL


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[e-mail] (Rod Davis) wrote:

>One last item of information.  A friend of mine was driving down the
>road in Central Florida and attempting mobile 2 meter packet.  He had
>a notebook on the passenger seat hooked to a tnc and into his installed
>mobile radio.  He was stopped and given a ticken under the Florida law
>that prohibits "watching television" by any front seat occupant in a
>moving vehicle.

Good for the trooper!  Glad I wasn't on the same road with the guy!

N5GE




From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:54 1995
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Hi There,

To all current subscribers of  VHF Communications Magazine, Issue 2/95 of VHF
Communications has now been shipped and should have been received by all UK
and European subscribers by now. Those of you in the farther reaches of our
world may have to wait a little longer!.  The following is a preview of the
contents of this issue:

A Sweep Tuner for the VCO
A Grid-Dip Meter for VHF and UHF
A DIY Receiver for GPS and GLONASS Satellites; part-5
Frequency Doubling using Semi-Conductor Diodes
A 28/432 MHz Transverter
A 28/50 MHz Transverter
Receiving System Parameter Measurements using Radio Stars
A Big Wheel Antenna for 70cm

If you are not already a subscriber and are interested in becoming one and
would like a sample copy please drop me a message.

Good reading ... Mike

--
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:55 1995
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On 10 Jul 1995, Jim Price N3QYE wrote:

> Date: 10 JUL 1995 13:11:23 GMT
> From: Jim Price N3QYE <[e-mail]>
> Newgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
> Subject: Re: Callsign server @ U Arkansas?
>
> Scott H. Reed ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : Does anyone have the telnet address for the callsign server at the
> : University of Arkansas?  I've misplaced it.  It seemed to be more
> : up-to-date than the Buffalo server.
>
> I don't know if you can telnet to it, but via www the url is:
>
> http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Price, ARS N3QYE                         Don't blame me.
> [e-mail]                  I voted for Emma Goldman.
>
telnet CALLSIGN.UALR.EDU 2000
(Upper Case Required [I think])
>


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Emergency Traffic (Was: Dumb and dumber)
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"Walter L. Zorn" <[e-mail]> writes:
>On 8 Jul 1995 02:45:48 GMT, Curtis Wheeler  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Walt:  You have experienced what I consider a classic problem with ham
>>operators, they don't know how to request help by radio during an
>>emergency.  They don't know when to shut up and listen.  What they
>>end up doing is wasting their breath telling you everything when
>>you can't help at the moment.
>>
>>I hear this on autopatch calls to "911" (or whatever) dispatchers
>>all the time.  The dispatcher answers (maybe in another county) and
>>ham proceeds to spill out a big speech about who he is, he's on an
>>amateur radio patch, there's been a big wreck, where it is, all of
>>landmarks, send an ambulance, what lane he's in, etc., etc.  Only to
>>find out that the dispatcher needs to transfer him to another agency -
>>where he will start the whole speech over again when the next person
>>answers.
>>
>>I wrote an article for a club newsletter on this subject once and
>>got a lot of positive response from members that thought it made
>>sense.  The guidelines I spelled out were primarily for emergency
>>autopatch calls but can be applied to any radio call for help.
>>
>>When a dispatcher (or whoever) answers the phone make sure you have
>>ESTABLISHED two way communication with the before you give any other
>>information.  Something like, "Sir.  I am calling on a radio patch.
>>Can you hear me clearly?  Over."  And get a grip on yourself - it seems
>>like people's voices go up one octave and 6 dB when they make a real
>>emergency call - then they might start "talking off" the repeater.

This is where some AGC both directions helps.  If you have a friendly
broadcast (AM or FM) engineer locally ask about a surplus "Audimax" or
"Volumax" - if forget which, but one of those is a beautiful AGC
system.

>>Once you have established two way communications, tell them what you
>>need to report BRIEFLY.  "There has been a car accident in East
>>Bunganuts.  Over."  Then let them ask you questions and give them
>>brief, to the point answers.  They know what to ask.

With all the yuppies with cellphones, and the fact that 911 in most
areas is free, usually they already have the report.  I always ask
something like "There has been a 2-car and fixed-object accident at the
corner of Walk and Dont-Walk in East Bungnuts - do you have it yet?
OVER"... If my call is a dupe, then I'll know, quick.  If is is, then
I'll ask "Do you need any additional information?".  If not, then I'm gone.
If it's not a dupe, then I'll ask "What info do you need and in what order?".
Generally the time it takes to ask is saved in the data entry.  Saves
the operator having to replay the call for data entry after s/he hangs up.

>>The same type of guidelines would apply if you are calling another
>>station.  Call them first and get an acknowledgment that they can
>>at least hear you.  Tell them you have an emergency and ask if they
>>can contact the proper authorities.  Then tell them the basic scenerio
>>without going into a bunch of little details.

>Curtis, et. al. -

>I echo your advise - almost to the letter.  I would add the main reason
>that it's best to be queried for the information is: the 911, or emergency
>operator, is generally filling out a computer screen or some log; so, the
>order of information is important to faciliate rapid logging - and, of
>course, emergency deployment.

>In conflict, I would say that the only time anyone "spills their guts"
>is when they're likely to die and time is very critical.  ie., your
>airplane just lost it's only engine and there's about two minutes left
>until a forced ditch.  Then, it's time to spill all: id, location, parties
>on board, heading, and intentions.  But, this is not generally (if ever)
>done to 911 or on the ham bands at all.

>Curtis, we'll have to meet sometime!
>Walt

One thing that one local radio club does is to have an program once a
year where a local agency - police or 911, I forget which, brings in a
video and a few cassette recordings of what not do do on the phone...
I.e. an overview of what goes on behind a 911 desk.  Really worth it.

--
Mike Morris   WA6ILQ          | All opinions must be my own since nobody
PO Box 1130                   | pays me enough to be their mouthpiece...
Arcadia, CA. 91077            |
ICBM: 34.07.930N, 118.03.799W | Reply to: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (steve sheppard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: source of quick-release harness for mobile rigs ??
Date: 12 Jul 1995 19:16:09 GMT
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Can anyone point me to:
     (1) a commercially made product
  or (2) useful homebrew hints
for a quick-disconnect harness for a mobile 2M or dual-band rig ?
(The rig in question is a Yaesu FT-2400).

I remember hearing of such a beast once but don't remember the source.

My intention is to ease the transfer of the rig between two vehicles
and a fixed base station.  I envision identical pre-wired docking bays
permanently installed at each location to provide power, ground,
antenna (and control ?) connections, and a corresponding low-profile
harness permanently mounted on the rig itself.
Mods to the rig are probably inevitable (sigh).

The prime issue here is speed and ease of connect/disconnect, not security.

Thanks in advance for any pointers, information or suggestions !


Steve Sheppard
KC4ZTY

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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:47:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brad Mitchel)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Why not Steel for Antenna Wire?
Date: 12 Jul 1995 19:19:59 GMT
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A friend said that he read in the ARRL Handbook that they said not to use
Steel wire for Antennas. He asked me why, and I said, gee I don't know.
Maybe one of you do?
73

Brad WB8YGG


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood TM-733A Question
Date: 12 Jul 1995 19:21:35 GMT
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In article <3u0q72$[e-mail]>, Bob Levine <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Just installed a TM-733A and found a feature (?) that
>I cant find in the owners manual.  If you hod [F] for
>more than one second, the button on the right (next
>to BEEP) has a big X over it. This isnt shown on the
>manual for [F] functions on p. 24.  If you push that
>button it keys the radio and the only way I could unkey
>was to do a reset.  Powering off the radio didnt help
>as the radio would power on in transmit mode.
>
>Anyone know what that feature is for and how to unkey
>without resetting in case it is accidentally activated?
>
As another poster pointed out, that was the cross-band
mode.  I have always been able to exit the mode by repeating
the same [F] and [X] sequence that got me into it.  Another
way I exit the mode is to chose one of the programmed memory
settings - [PM] followed by one of the 6 memories.

If it came up transmitting and would not respond, it must
have been receiving a signal and repeating it.  Seems to me
I DID have trouble with that one.

Cross-band repeat is really useful, but needs some caution,
so as not to allow un-intended transmissions.  I always use
it in one direction only, as a sort of wireless microphone.
It lets my HT roam the neighborhood while transmitting
via the TM733A at 10 watts.  It's a good idea to make
the receive side of this arrangement secure with CTCSS decode
on the TM733A.

Kenwood's documentation on it is Application Note AAN-0009,
or take Jorge Flores' offer of that information by mail.
-Enjoy!

73, John


--
John Minger  KE6DTC                        "Society is like a stew.  If you
Glendale, CA                            don't keep it stirred up, you get a
<[e-mail]>              lot of scum on top."  -Edward Abbey


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ronnie Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Code waiver and VE's feelings
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Date: 12 Jul 95 19:52:22 GMT
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>In article <3tsr0i$[e-mail]>,
>Dana Myers <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> ...
>>Of course, with flames like this already directed towards the individual,
>>you have to wonder why the individual wants to be a VE...
>>
>Sometimes I wonder why anyone wants to be a VE. I am regularly suprised
>at the flak that is directed toward VE's, here on the net and elsewhere.
>
>Mark      AA7TA

It is a bit foolish, isn't it.  Why in the world
would anybody give up a Saturday morning each month
or two and get nothing for it in return?

Well, I have been an extra class VE for the last 3
years and have had nothing but positive responses
from the applicants.  Most are appreciative of the
time that the VEs give during the sessions and many
say "thanks for your time" as they leave.

I became a VE to help spread the work load off the
others VEs who gave of their time and energy to
administer tests to me.  For me, it is just "pay
back time".

There is one situation that I remember that bothered
me.  A woman in her mid forties, I'd guess, came to
one session and passed her general and/or advanced
written.  I could be wrong, but I got the impression
she was a house wife with no technical background
except that her husband was a ham.  I was very happy
for her and thought highly of her ability to set a
goal and obtain it, even thought the material was
difficult for her.

One year later at the next annual ham fest, she was back
to take her written exam for the extra.  I again was
elated until she presented her doctor's statement necessary
for the waiver of the 20 WPM code test.

I really don't have strong feelings about the code
being a requirement for any class liscense and would
not be upset if the requirement were dropped today.
However, as long as it is a requirement, I am really
dissapointed when people take the short cut with a waiver.
This womem (in my non-medically trained opinion) did not
deserve a waiver.  She appeared to be perfectly capable
of mastering the code, but just didn't want to.  I really
hated signing her 610 and CSCE indicating an upgrade to the
Extra, but had no choice.  She followed the rules and was
entitled to the license.  However, I could not help but think
about how long and hard I worked to master the code.  The code
did not come easy to me and I wondered if I would ever be able
to copy at 20 WPM.  However, after much pratice, I finally
mastered it and now tend to use it more than and other mode.

Not to take anything away from the womem for passing the
written tests.  She did do very well there.  I don't know
if she really learned the material or just memorized the
answers, but she passed with an almost perfect score.  I
just wish she would have tried as hard on the code.

Ronnie D. Hughes, N5CSE   |     [e-mail]
SunRiver Data Systems     |
Echelon IV, Suite 200     |     [phone] ext. 118
9430 Research Boulevard   |     [phone] fax
Austin, TX  78759-6543    |



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:02 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: urgently need FCC 610A form (not 610V) !
Date: 12 Jul 1995 20:20:36 GMT
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[e-mail] (BV/N0IAT) wrote:
>
> Someone Please Help--
> I am in need of renewing my FCC Radio Amateur License
> and I dont have access to any 610 forms.  I DO NOT
> need the "vanity call sign form" (known as 610 V),
> just need the plain-jane form to update/renew/change
> address of an amateur station license. It must be a
> newer version (I think printed after 1992 or 1993).
> Are there any VE's on-line that might have 1 form to
> spare?  I'll send you $1 or IRC to cover postage and a
> QSL card in return.
>
> Could someone please help me?  Please send me Email if
> you can help and I'll send you my state-side address
> (which is delivered via internal company mail every
> few weeks to me in Taiwan).

If you have access to a fax with international access...
You can get a FCC-610 by "fax on demand" service from the FCC
forms contractor in Washington D.C.  You must CALL FROM A FAX
machine - so you pay for the call.  Use the fax handset to
make touchtone selections then press the START button on the
machine to receive the desired form.

The Document Retrieval Number for the 610 form is 000610.

Curtis Wheeler   San Ramon, CA
KD6ELA / GROL / Pvt. Pilot



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Walter R Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How safe is a 900mhz cordless phone?
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 20:43:45 EDT
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The reception from a scanner with a quarter wave 70cm antenna (simple
wire on a BNC) for 900MHz phones is much better than 46/49 phones with
an appropriate antenna.. :)

I was actually amazed to hear people all over the place, at one time
11 conversations from 902 to 908 or so..  And this is in a lower middle
class neighborhood, no super rich people around here...

Apparently just super-poor-because-they-like-neat-toys, like me.. :)

The Uniden 9100 rulz...  Slight echo, but it's almost amusing..  Now
if it had a LARGE echo delay it'd drive me nuts, but it doesn't bother
me at all..

---
     Walter    _                                              Alinco 580
       R    _ //  [e-mail]     [e-mail]
    Francis ¢X/   [e-mail]  [e-mail]       KE4UWN


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Walter R Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: mobile scanner laws for Hams
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 20:48:59 EDT
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:

>There is no such law. Most State anti-scanner laws have exemptions
>for amateurs. I believe Kentucky was the most recent to add that
>feature to their anti-scanner law. However, in some cases local

Yes, but is does it really allow hams to use *scanners*?  To be honest,
I don't know...

>jurisdictions also have anti-scanner laws, and some do not offer
>a waiver for amateurs.

From what I've heard what is legal in all amateur exemptions for scanner
use is the use of extended receive, but in some cases separate scanners
are not.  I have yet to read explicit information on this subject.
>
>Only criminals, and news reporters (same thing, profiting from radio
>intercepts is a violation of CCA'34), have a need to monitor police
>calls from an automobile (so the thinking goes).  Are you wanting to
>be the lookout man for a stickup gang? Or are you just a voyeur who
>wants to be on the scene (and in the way) of police busts? In either
>case, the police don't want you listening.

Absolutely don't 'ambulance-chase'..  They won't care who you are..

If anyone has any further information on legal use of separate scanners,
that'd be great..

In Kentucky,

---
     Walter    _                                              Alinco 580
       R    _ //  [e-mail]     [e-mail]
    Francis ¢X/   [e-mail]  [e-mail]       KE4UWN


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:06 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Emergency communicating on repeaters
Date: 12 Jul 1995 20:57:13 GMT
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[e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri) wrote:
>
> Curtis Wheeler ([e-mail]) recently wrote
[snip]
>
> : This is the reason that I have resisted requests by users to have our
> : repeaters transmit PL.  Those using PL decode eventually get lazy and
> : don't MONITOR the frequency before transmitting.
>
> What are they monitoring? They will hear the repeater just fine! If
> there are users in the group talking on the output maybe they should be
> trained to transmit the same ctcss tone if they want to be heard.
>
> Our repeater has several ctcss tones enabling several different groups to
> monitor for their individual group traffic.

[snip]

>
> We do the same thing by changing memory channels on an amateur radio.
> CH 1 is encode only on the repeater
> CH 2 is encode decode on the repeater
> CH 3 is encode simplex on the repeater output
>
> Groups monitor channel 2 for their traffic and switch to channel 1 when
> using the repeater. We find most folks are on ch 1 most of the time and
> switch to ch 2 rather than turn the radio off.
>
> In other words Channel 1 is the same as taking the mike out of the hang
> up clip on a commercial radio, The user hears everything on the frequency.
>
> Your users that want the repeater to transmit ctcss are tired of
> listening to all the nuisance interference from pagers and other distant
> repeaters. More people will monitor the repeater if it is a quality signal.

I really don't care how many people monitor the repeater.  And I don't
think you really know why the users on our system want anything.  If
they want to go somewhere else, I won't stop them.

>
> I would say the repeater tech committee is LAZY if they can't impliment a
> simple ctcss tone on the repeater transmitter. The clever techs usually
> drive the repeater tone only when a signal is present on the input. That
> way the members do not need to hear all the beep boops and talking ids.
> You would be surprised how many hams and their families come back and
> really monitor.

Is this an open system?  Sounds like some of your users are pretty
well informed if they follow all of this.  We operate an open system
and try to keep it simple.  We don't want to have to educate every
user.  The point is that it is bad operating prcatice not to monitor
the frequency before using it - even if you think everyone else on the
frequency is using your system.  There might be traffic on the
frequency that is not using PL.  And you end up with people that will
stop monitoring or just forget to do it.  Everyday generic users will
sometimes get sloppy.  We are a casual system.

As far as quality signal goes... Anyone receiving interference on a
repeater output freq that would cured by CTCSS shouldn't be blaming
the repeater.  Blame it on the rice rocket radio capable of DC to
light receive.  I have very little problem with intermod on my
Yaecomwood FT-TM-IC-XYZ - I keep the squelch turned up all the way -
if the repeater can't break the full squelch setting, I am not
going to have a very good signal into it anyway.

I am not interested in telling the users how they should program
thier radios or use memory slots.  We publish the freq with a standard
split and required buzz.  That's all you need.

Closed systems are another matter.  When you limit access to your
system, you can diseminate special info to your users more easily.

BTW - we are not a club, so there is no "tech committee" and the
users don't attend meetings where we explain anything to them.  No
invitation is required to our repeaters (you can be uninvited for
being a troublemaker).  There are no "members".

You need to remember that systems and users are different.  Different
systems have different requirements.  What works well on your system
might cause trouble on mine.

Curtis Wheeler   San Ramon, CA
KD6ELA / GROL / Pvt. Pilot


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From: [e-mail] (CQ Communications / R. Moseson )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CQ Highlights 8/95
Date: 12 Jul 1995 21:11:54 GMT
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 AUGUST '95 "CQ" MAGAZINE HIGHLIGHTS

Here's what's scheduled to appear in the
August, 1995, issue of "CQ" magazine --
the Radio Amateur's Journal since 1945:

ANTENNAS, ANTENNAS, ANTENNAS
You can't make contacts without an antenna,
and the August issue of CQ is full of practical
antenna articles.  Here's a sampling:

HOW TO BUILD LOW-COST VERTICAL ANTENNAS FOR
YOUR QTH, by Phil Salas, AD5X
Phil starts off with a lesson in aluminum tubing
and PVC pipe measurement, then sends us off to
our local home supply store to build a vertical
for nearly any band. (This is a follow-up to
Phil's June '95 CQ article, LOW-COST MOBILE
ANTENNA ACCESSORIES FROM PLUMBING PARTS)

A 75 AND 40-METER HORIZONTAL LOOP ANTENNA
by Sidney Rexford, W2TBZ
If you've got the room, CQ's got the antenna --
a horizontal quad loop that works well on both
75 and 40 meters.

THE 160-RV ANTENNA: A G5RV ADAPTER FOR 160 METERS
by Thomas M. Hart, AD1B
If you DON'T have the room, but still have the
urge to operate the "top band," Tom's article
will show you how to put a G5RV shortened dipole
to work on 160.

And for the rest of us...
ANTENNAS HATE ME! by John K. Munroe, W7KCN

Additional features include:
1995 CQ 160 METER CONTEST HIGH CLAIMED SCORES;


CQ REVIEWS for August include:
THE S&S ENGINEERING PC1 PROGRAMMABLE COUNTER,
 by Paul Carr, N4PC, and
THE CUSHCRAFT ASL 2010 LOG-PERIODIC ANTENNA,
 by Paul Carr, N4PC

August Column & Department topics are:
ANTENNAS & ACCESSORIES: BOOK NOOK - ANTENNA AND
 COMPUTER NOTES, by Karl T. Thurber, Jr., W8FX
AWARDS: STORY OF THE MONTH - WILL PHILLIPS,
 VE3FNM,  by Norm Van Raay, WA3RTY
BILL'S BASICS: INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS
 APPLICABLE TO AMATEURS, by Bill Welsh, W6DDB
CONTEST CALENDAR: CONTESTER'S GUIDE TO FINDING
 MULTIPLIERS; plus CONTESTS FOR AUG. & EARLY
 SEPT., by John Dorr, K1AR
DOUG'S DESK: SOME ANTENNA TUNER TIPS, by Doug
 DeMaw, W1FB
DX: NORTH KOREA, by Chod Harris, VP2ML
MATH'S NOTES: EASY-TO-IMPLEMENT, GENERAL-PURPOSE
 AUDIO AMPLIFIERS, by Irwin Math, WA2NDM
PACKET USER'S NOTEBOOK: WHAT'S A K-NET?  by Buck
 Rogers, K4ABT
PROPAGATION: SUNSPOT PLATEAU, DX CHARTS FOR AUG.
 15TH THROUGH SEPT. 15TH, by George Jacobs, W3ASK
RADIO FUNDAMENTALS: A SIMPLE MULTIBAND ARRAY FOR
 7, 10, 14, 18 AND 21 MHZ, by Bill Orr, W6SAI
VHF PLUS: LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE OKLAHOMA CITY
 BOMBING ROVER OPERATION, by Joe Lynch, N6CL
WASHINGTON READOUT: INFORMATION BULLETIN BROAD-
 CASTING ON THE AMATEUR BANDS, by Frederick O.
 Maia, W5YI
WORLD OF IDEAS: QRP ALIVE WITH THRILLS AND DX!
 by Dave Ingram, K4TWJ

The August issue of CQ - THE RADIO AMATEUR'S JOURNAL
should be on newsstands and in subscribers' mailboxes
by late July.

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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:09 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Dumb and dumber
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Shiva Systems
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 >I get QSL cards that say "A.R.S. K1OIK", why would anyone write that?
 >The post office has  N O   idea what A.R.S. means.

 Ne> The post office just pays attention to the address; after all, you did
 Ne> get the card!

I was told any years ago by a postal employee/ham that at one time most
PO types knew what ARS meant.  They also new what a call book was or
how to find the addressee through other means (ie ask the ham on your
route).  Of course today you only hear of these extraordinary efforts
to deliver right before a rate increase (boo hiss).

BS KC4WQ

... Take my 2 cents worth, can't buy anything with it anyhow
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:10 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: How to _remove_ a gro
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 > I'll be installing the rod into a new location.  I got the first rod
 > into the ground with brute force; can anyone give some ideas on what
 > might be easier ways to get a ground rod into the earth?

I use copper pipe for all my grounds and WASH them into the ground.
Rig up a pressure fitting to adapt to the garden hose and connect that to
your copper pipe, then with the water running, slowly push the rod
into the ground.  The only place this hasn't worked is solid rock and
thne with enough water that would go also <BG>.

All my grounds are a minimum of 8' deep and seem to work fine.  All
strapping is done with RG8 braid.

As far as removing one, forget it.  Its easier to buy a new piece.

BS KC4WQ


... Check your seatbelt. I wanna try something...
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Delaney)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ex-felon licensee // Amateur Radio Newsline #934  07 Jul 95
Date: 12 Jul 1995 21:46:35 GMT
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Jeffrey Herman ([e-mail]) in article ve <[e-mail]> on Tue, 11 Jul 1995 02:38:07 GMT wrote:
: >NEWSLINE RADIO - CBBS EDITION #934 - POSTED 07/07/95
: > rules, the F.C.C. believes that it has the right to deny any
: > citizen a license if they believe he or she has shown disregard
: > for any law.

: This might answer the question as to whether an ex-felon can earn
: an amateur radio license. It depends. Upon what? Probably upon
: how severe the felony, whether he's still on probation, his
: past criminal record, and who knows what else.

: I doubt that Charles Manson (if he ever gets paroled) would be given
: a license. Besides, who'd want to have a QSO with him?

Wouldn't you want a QSL card from him? I would... (along with King
Hussin, etc... Manson is after all famous)


--
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religion; or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the
freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably
to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Sparks)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Technician vs. Technician NoCode??
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:50:27 -0700
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[e-mail] (D Carp) wrote:

> IS there any source online that anyone is aware of where one can get a
> copy of the NEW Advanced Pool questions/answers?  I have to rely on
> online sources since Radio Shack in Canada doesn't sell ANY of the books
> [nor even code tapes :( ]...

Do an Archie search for ADV22.ZIP every so often until it shows up
somewhere.  I haven't seen it yet, but the last version one was
ADV21.ZIP.  This is actually a test generator program.  For just the
raw question pool, check the ARRL's Internet server.  I don't know
if they have the new pool or not.  BTW, the Radio Shacks here are
still selling the OLD Advanced books.  One store had them marked
down to "$4.95, while they last" and another was still charging full
price!

Just out of curiosity, why would you want the US question pool in
Canada?

---
Dave Sparks -- KD6PDZ -- [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: **LAST DAYS TO VOTE ON THE VANITY CALL PROGRAM**
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 22:11:18 +0100
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> >Regarding the rest of your concerns. Over 350 hams thought the Vanity
> >Callsign issue was important enough to vote on, and scores of hams
> >e-mailed their support. They saw the potential the WWW has to survey large
> >groups of people in real time.The league itself asks hams to fill out
> >survey questions from time to time. Should no one else have that right?
> >When over 350 hams express an opinion on a topic I believe it has some
> >value. It should be noted that the Ham Poll is new and should increase its
> >survey numbers as more hams become familiar with it, and are able to
> >access the Web. Everthing needs time to grow.73's Ray
>
> Unfortunately, this type of popularity contest has little meaning
> as a polling technique. There are two major problems. First, the
> sample is self-selected which biases the result, and second, the
> sample isn't demographically representative. You can partially
> rectify both failings by designing the questions properly. You
> need to ask more than one question, and the questions have to be
> selected to highlight the sample biases so that they can be properly
> weighted. This isn't easy, which is why most polling organizations
> don't use self-selected polling techniques.
>
> Gary

Gary, The truth is, NO self selecting poll can ever be considered a
scientific poll. I don't care how many questions you ask to achieve a
proper demographic mix, because those who chose to voluntarily participate
in a poll are usually more ego involved in the issue than the average
person. One can attempt to control for demograhics, but the act of self
section defeats that effort.

I'm sure you're aware Gary, that just because a poll has sufficent size,
comprehensiveness,and randomness doesn't mean it's results are going to
reflect the views of the group being polled. Why you ask? because there
are a number of other variables that can affect the poll results. How a
poll question is worded, from both a verbal and nonverbal perspective, can
bais the respondent. The dress one wears can even communicate such a bias.
Certain types of dress can send a message of a political bais. Extensive
research on polling indicates that when those polled think they know the
pollsters bais on an issue,they will then answer the questions so as to be
more in agreement with that perceived bais.

Polling is vary new,its only been around for about 60 years. Pollsters
still have a great deal to learn about the scientific methodology of
polling. Many hard scientists, in fact, consider it a gross misnomer to
call any poll "scientific". They would argue that polling is more an art
from than science.

Gary, if you consider the so called Scientific polls accurate, you will be
in for alot of disapointment. Just ask the 1994 Democratic Congressional
Deligation.

I invite you to come on over to the web and vote on lowering the Code
requirements for HF operations. I think You'll find the results at least
mildly interensting, and if you disagree with the results, you can soothe
your pain with the knowledge that the results aren't "scientific".   73's
Ray

--
Ray Sarrio Co.
http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:15 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: mobile scanner laws for Hams
Date: 12 Jul 1995 23:32:15 GMT
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Tom Childers <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (Rod Davis) wrote:
>
> >One last item of information.  A friend of mine was driving down the
> >road in Central Florida and attempting mobile 2 meter packet.  He had
> >a notebook on the passenger seat hooked to a tnc and into his installed
> >mobile radio.  He was stopped and given a ticken under the Florida law
> >that prohibits "watching television" by any front seat occupant in a
> >moving vehicle.
>
> Good for the trooper!  Glad I wasn't on the same road with the guy!

Well I would ask for a definition of television, and whether the law
could be applied to a laptop.  Obviously the trooper thought it
applied.  Did your friend fight it in court?  Do Florida troopers
watch television (MDTs) when they drive?

Curtis Wheeler   San Ramon, CA
KD6ELA / GROL / Pvt. Pilot


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Len J Heins)
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Subject: AX-25 C Source
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Salutations

I wonder if any of you fellow hams might know where I could lay my hands on a
C implementation of the AX-25 Packet Radio Protocol.  I wish to incorporate it
into some software I am writing!

Thanks

Len
(ZR5LJH)



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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 12/2330Z JULY 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 12 JULY AND FORECAST FOR 13 JULY - 15 JULY
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  74/11

GOES satellite data for 11 Jul
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   7.5E+04
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 1.1E+07 (normal)
       X-ray background: A4.3
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             13 Jul             14 Jul             15 Jul
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 13 Jul:  74/11

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 11 Jul
    Learmonth        4  2211 1111
    Fredericksburg   2                           1
    Planetary        5                           2

Observed Kp for 11 Jul: 0000 0221
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
13 Jul     8    Quiet to unsettled
14 Jul     8    Quiet to unsettled
15 Jul    13    Quiet to unsettled, possible isolated active periods

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
12 Jul      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
13 Jul      normal         normal         fair
14 Jul      normal         normal         fair
15 Jul      normal         normal         fair

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
12 Jul    14    Near predicted monthly values, with sporadic E
                05-18 UT and spread F 16-17 UT

Predicted Monthly T index for July: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
13 Jul    15    Near predicted monthly values
14 Jul    15    Near predicted monthly values
15 Jul    15    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values with
sporadic E 17-19 UT.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values with disturbance
from 04-06 UT.

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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lyndon Nerenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Recent Canadian call signs??
Date: 12 Jul 1995 23:53:27 -0700
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[e-mail] (Pat Franzis) writes:

>   I have been searching for a server that has up to date Canadian
>   call signs. If anyone knows of such a site, please let me know
>   by email.

You don't mention what type of server ... but if you have a Web
browser you can check VE callsigns at http://www.mit.edu:8001/callsign/

For pointers to other WWW callsign servers check out
http://ve7tcp.ampr.org/Other/

--lyndon
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Orthanc Systems: Internet and UNIX consulting

[e-mail] || canada!lyndon || Fax: [phone]
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Date: 12 Jul 1995 23:59:58 GMT
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In article <3tppc4$[e-mail]>, Grant H Youngman
<[e-mail]> writes: > [e-mail] (Doug Faunt N6TQS
[phone]) wrote: > >Unfortunately, the new Newsline has a case where
the FCC is making a > >crime committed by an amateur, apparently not connected
with amateur > >radio, an issue in the renewal of an amateur license.

> >
> >I'd still say go for it.
> >73, doug
>
> What did he do?  IF the FCC does any kind of background check on new
> license applications, its certainly not very widely known.
>
> I can see where they might be concerned about someone who had been
> convicted of some form of communications related fraud, for example,
> but basing license qualification on ANY conviction would be a stretch.

Actually the case involved theft of services from a long distance carrier. So
in that respect I think the FCC has a good case against the bozo.

Tony

--
== Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR
== [e-mail]
== Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a nation.


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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Caruso)
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Subject: Simple BAYCOM pkt.problem?
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  I've got a basic paket tnc 2chips several other components that seem to
work until u connect w/someone then all goes dead. no recieve no
transmission accepted by others that is recognized. It'll work for very
little then it quits any similar experiences? Circuit is 2"x 3 1/2".
TM3105 & 7400hc series ic. Please email me direct.if you can. Thanks



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Emergency communicating on repeaters
Date: 13 Jul 1995 01:28:03 -0700
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Curtis Wheeler ([e-mail]) recently wrote
            in <3u1cv9$[e-mail]>:

: I really don't care how many people monitor the repeater.  And I don't
: think you really know why the users on our system want anything.  If
: they want to go somewhere else, I won't stop them.

Most Amateur repeater owners provide a service to their amateur community.
Check with your corporate marketing department if you want to learn how
to assess and provide the needs of your customers or users. Universal...

: > You would be surprised how many hams and their families come back and
: > really monitor.

: Is this an open system?  Sounds like some of your users are pretty
: well informed if they follow all of this.  We operate an open system
: and try to keep it simple.  We don't want to have to educate every
: user.  The point is that it is bad operating prcatice not to monitor
: the frequency before using it - even if you think everyone else on the
: frequency is using your system.  There might be traffic on the
: frequency that is not using PL.  And you end up with people that will
: stop monitoring or just forget to do it.  Everyday generic users will
: sometimes get sloppy.  We are a casual system.

Are you talking about using an amateur repeater or a commercial oil
pipeline repeater?  Please give some credit to your fellow amateurs.
Please take some time and look at what others in your area are doing to
make all those intermod laden radios a pleasure to listen.

: As far as quality signal goes... Anyone receiving interference on a
: repeater output freq that would cured by CTCSS shouldn't be blaming
: the repeater.  Blame it on the rice rocket radio capable of DC to
: light receive.  I have very little problem with intermod on my
: Yaecomwood FT-TM-IC-XYZ - I keep the squelch turned up all the way -
: if the repeater can't break the full squelch setting, I am not
: going to have a very good signal into it anyway.

If you are an Amateur and you are the one providing a sevice to your
community, you will look at the conditions that the users of the system
have to monitor. The commercial boys that sell air time figured this out
years ago.

You may miss some weak signals using your tight squelch method.

: I am not interested in telling the users how they should program
: thier radios or use memory slots.  We publish the freq with a standard
: split and required buzz.  That's all you need.

No, thats all the service to the user _you_ want to provide. The tone on
the repeater output can be used by those users that understand simple
principles. The rest do not need to use this feature. It is really
transparent. It really enhances the repeater for those who regularly
monitor. It doesn't restrict usage, in fact some new tranceivers can
automatically decode your tone and set the transmit tone correctly. They
have made it a no brainer. Your casual travelling hams with these radios
will love it!  They don't need to look in the repeater directory for your
tone.

: Closed systems are another matter.  When you limit access to your
: system, you can diseminate special info to your users more easily.

Open systems are able to give this common information freely on the air.
Ctcss tone does not close a repeater it tends to enhance its operation.

: BTW - we are not a club, so there is no "tech committee" and the
: users don't attend meetings where we explain anything to them.  No
: invitation is required to our repeaters (you can be uninvited for
: being a troublemaker).  There are no "members".

Is this one of those two man beep boop boxes?   Talking mantle clock?

: You need to remember that systems and users are different.  Different
: systems have different requirements.  What works well on your system
: might cause trouble on mine.

Systems are comprised of the repeater and its users. Any system that
works well is a pleasure to monitor. I can't imagine the trouble you or
your users would experiance. What are your requirements that
differentiate your Amateur system from any other?

I am not trying to be a trouble maker and hopefully other repeater owners
may see some logic in using ctcss technology to enhance their systems. I
didn't realize someone could be uninvited from an open repeater. In our
area you are invited on closed repeaters. You would be welcome on ours.

Bob
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Doug McFadden)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with Super Morse !!!
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 02:59:45 GMT
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[e-mail] (BUDDY10) wrote:

>I downloaded the program and installed it with NO problems.  When I tried
>to use it it sounded TERRIBLE !   The first lesson(dits & dahs) made the
>dits & dahs sound the same.  Some dits were long , some dahs were short.
>I calibrated the program.  I played around with the weight & the tone.  I
>tried it with pc speaker & soundblaster.  AWFUL !    anybody else have
>this problem ?   Can you recomend  another morse code program ?   Help !!!

>Thanks !!!
>DE KD6GPV

> [e-mail]  (Scott Powell),  Nickel dime shoeshine,don't let your
>meat loaf !

Easy to fix,  through it away and get Morse Academy.  It works with
your sound card which means you can make your own practice tapes for
the road.  Morse.exe was good also, came with 'c' source, if you like
to tinker.

Doug
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:25 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: I AM AGAINST!!
Date: 13 Jul 1995 03:09:56 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, Floydjr <[e-mail]> writes:
>through 220 or 440 to 10 -160 meters. You will hear no code techs in the
>advance portion of every band on it. Some ID that they are operating
>through a remote base and others don't. What happens when you work one
>and look up the call in your database and it shows no code tech? I just

it could mean your callbook is out of date. tests are given every day of the
week.

>do not feel they have earned the right to work in these portions of the
>spectrum. I worked hard to get the right operate there and feel it is

they're bridged to the band you are hearing 'em on by someone who does
have the authority to operate there.


Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:26 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: I AM AGAINST!!
Date: 13 Jul 1995 03:14:40 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, Floydjr <[e-mail]> writes:
>The word has finally come up and I was wondering how long it would take.
>The nasty word "CHEAT". A person stated that the VE could be there just to
>make sure the other examiners did not cheat. I only have one question to
>that. If they cannot copy the code how do you know they did not cheat. Be
>the same thing if they gave the written in spanish to some people.

easy...did people pass answers back and forth?  did they collaborate on what
the right answers are?  did they walk up and look at the answer keys or the
computer screen? did someone tape record the test and replay it for checking
or have a competant friend in the room actually doing the copy for them?
has the test been compromised and the candidate have a crib sheet of probable
right answers...

and i'm not even trying hard...

did the guys bring a morse reader to decode the morse into a display or stored
in a computer for later perusal?...there's probably millions of ways to "cheat"
if there's no check on the system by observers.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:27 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: I AM AGAINST!!
Date: 13 Jul 1995 03:21:14 GMT
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In <3u10n8$[e-mail]>, Tom Childers <[e-mail]> writes:
>I liked it better when the FCC gave the exams.  Just a comment from an
>old curmudgeon :-)
>
>N5GE

sure...you musta lived at an FCC exam point -- 4 big exams per year at many
of those points. i was another lucky one myself (indianapolis). for others it
was more of a problem (getting serious now..)

from here you had to go to Tampa or Miami or if you were lucky, the FCC folks
would come to a hamfest from time to time and run a test session for those
lucky enough to sign up. big room full of people with a bad PA for morse tests.
generally only a so-so setting not really conducive to taking an exam.

and those exams were mid-week in the morning so you'd usually have to lose
a day of work somewhere and probably have a hotel bill as well.

now we can offer an exam at least every month (there are 3-4 every month
within a hour's driving distance of here....).

it's actually good the FCC is able to handle volunteers..it's quite possible there
would have been no amateur radio examining if that had not occured.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:28 1995
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From: Gareth Crispell <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Why not Steel for Antenna Wire?
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[e-mail] (Brad Mitchel) wrote:
>A friend said that he read in the ARRL Handbook that they said not to use
>Steel wire for Antennas. He asked me why, and I said, gee I don't know.
>Maybe one of you do?
>73
>
>Brad WB8YGG

Almost anything will radiate a RF wave. A few years ago I worked a guy on
40 meters who had managed to balance the reactance on a large bird cage.
He did not have a very good signal but good grief: he was in NJ and was
4-4 in Mass!!! Old timers have told me just about anything works to some
degree.
N1MSV
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:28 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: VEs and code tests
Date: 13 Jul 1995 03:32:59 GMT
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In <3tu3cr$[e-mail]>, Gerald Schmitt <[e-mail]> writes:
>First of all there are no waivers of the 5 WPM requirement.
>The higher speed can be waived but not the 5 WPM. I don't
>know about other VECs but the ARRL does not allow Extras with
>waivers to give the code portion of the exams although they can
>give the writtens.

are you sure about that?  if the ham doesn't volunteer the info, how's
Bart and crew supposed to know? i don't have the VE manual right here
with me as i post this, but off hand i don't recall seeing anything on this
in the VE application form...

and we're supposed to go to great lengths to help folks having trouble copying
5 WPM that suffer from a disability -- like pausing between characters or
words...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:29 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: VEs and code tests
Date: 13 Jul 1995 03:35:57 GMT
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In <3tub01$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Wittich) writes:
>Whether you like it or not, thats what the book says.  Nowhere that
>I can find does it say that a VE who never passed 1C is not permitted
>to administer 1C.  I wouldn't want him giving ME the test either...
>but it is permitted.
>Jeff - AC4ZO

were the FCC proctors at the end able to handle such a task? i remember some
grumbling at the time that some places just had a standard issue test proctor
running the test per the procedure desired...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Derek Wills)
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Subject: Re: VEs and Code Tests
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You know, this discussion has got me thinking seriously, and
I've now decided that I'm not going to have my QSL bureau cards
sorted by someone who isn't on the DXCC Honor Roll...

Derek Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
Department of Astronomy, University of Texas,
Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Laws)
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Subject: Re: Callsign server @ U Arkansas?
Date: 13 Jul 1995 03:47:11 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jim Price N3QYE) writes:

>Scott H. Reed ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Does anyone have the telnet address for the callsign server at the
>: University of Arkansas?  I've misplaced it.  It seemed to be more
>: up-to-date than the Buffalo server.


Correct ... like at the most 2 days out of date!

>http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html

And, yes, 'telnet callsign.ualr.edu 2000' (no port - no callsigns).

I feel compelled to mention that this is the excellent work of the
University of Arkansas, Little Rock (no call yet) and not the University
of Arkansas, Fayetteville (W5YM since the dawn of time ...).

73,
Peter Laws,  N5UWY - V31WY

Public Information Officer,
Club Historian,
Amateur Radio Club,
University of Arkansas / W5YM
WWW: http://www.uark.edu/studorg/w5ym/   <-- check us out!




From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:31 1995
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From: Tony Vella <[e-mail]>
Subject: cw software
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Is there an ftp site where I could get a cw conversion software for
windows. I have aeafax3 for dos and it sucks. Regards.



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BV/N0IAT)
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Subject: Re: D104 microphone Question
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Be warned that there are several "knock-off" D-104
microphones that have been manufactured over the past
10 or 15 years. They look identical to the
ever-popular D-104 "silver eagle" microphone.   I've
seen them in Korea, Hong Kong, Japan, and Singapore.
Here's what to watch for:

1.  Make sure there is a small black / foil sticker at
the top of the 'D-104 head'.  This is at the very top
as you look down on the mic.  It should have the
familiar Astatic symbol with lightning bolts coming
from either side of the "A".

2.  Astatic prints their name on the preamp circuit
board.  You must remove the entire felt-covered bottom
plate to see the name, however.

3.  The TUG and TUP stands are also embossed with an
Astatic logo on the inside where the slim tube of
metal attaches to the chrome, black, or grey base
(depends on model).  Also, the under-side (bottom) of
the base will be a vinyl-clad scratch-cover instead of
the Astatic green or black felt (like a billiards
table).

The workmanship is pretty good on the fakes, but, the
chrome finish will flake . Electronically, the
pre-amplifiers are different and the xtal microphone
heads differ in freq response and sound quality.

If it's "new in box", the Astatic corporation always
seals the boxes with "tamper resistant" box sealing
with red lettering to ensure the box was unopened
before final customer delivery.

73  Joe   BV2/N0IAT



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BV/N0IAT)
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Subject: Re: Why not Steel for Antenna Wire?
Date: 13 Jul 1995 05:04:50 GMT
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snip>
>[e-mail] (Brad Mitchel) wrote:
>>A friend said that he read in the ARRL Handbook that they said
not to use
>>Steel wire for Antennas. He asked me why, and I said, gee I
don't know.
>>Maybe one of you do?
>>73
>>
>>Brad WB8YGG
>

I imagine the reason for not using steel is rust.  Since RF
travels on the outside of wire (called skin effect), the
oxidation and rust would perhaps cause increased resistance and
therefore less radiation.  (just my guess)  Of course, copper
tarnishes so maybe my theory is bogus?  I'm sure someone reading
this will correct me (politely, please).

I DO know that copper-weld is a very popular choice of antenna
wire.  It combines the strength of steel (inner core) with an
outer copper coating (better conductivity).  Solid copper is
fine,  but, a large/heavy antenna will sometimes stretch the
copper (make the antenna longer) and change the resonant point
of the antenna.

I've used aluminum grounding wire and it worked ok except that I
had to connect the coax to the antenna elements with
aligator-clips and hose clamps since I couldnt solder to
aluminum...perhaps this is also why steel is not
used...difficult to solder to.

see ya...no flames please...bv2/n0iat  Joe in Taiwan



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:34 1995
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From: kyle cassidy <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Code boot camp?
Date: 13 Jul 1995 05:36:26 GMT
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i did my own code boot camp (and i think this is probably typical of the
answers you're going to recieve). i locked myself in my room for 1 hour a
night for 5 days and passed the 5 wpm ... 2 weeks of the same thing and i
passed the 13 wpm. all it takes is dedication enough to do 1 hour a
night.





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Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Date: 13 Jul 1995 05:40:02 GMT
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I know 1 or 2 felons (at least they say they are) who have ham tickets.

I dont recall anything in the rules prohibiting it.

I think the FCC can deny you a license if they think you are a bad guy.
(couched in appropriate bureaucratese/legalese, of course. )

Take the test, don't lie on any of the forms, and see if the license shows
up.



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It's a test.  What did you expect?


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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Subject: Ham Radio & More new affiliate list 7-12-95
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73, Len, KB7LPW


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From: [e-mail] (Jack Hamilton)
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Subject: Re: Code boot camp?
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 07:59:18 GMT
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kyle cassidy <[e-mail]> wrote:

>i did my own code boot camp (and i think this is probably typical of the
>answers you're going to recieve). i locked myself in my room for 1 hour a
>night for 5 days and passed the 5 wpm ... 2 weeks of the same thing and i
>passed the 13 wpm. all it takes is dedication enough to do 1 hour a
>night.

It is a typical response, but a few people have actually answered my
question, instead of answering some other question I didn't ask.





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Jack Hamilton   [e-mail]  Sacramento, California  USA
kd6ttl    1992 BMW K75RTA     co-moderator, sci.med.aids
PGP Fingerprint: B90D 0207 6A05 ADAF 12C1 ECF4 7C4A 39E1



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas C Sefranek)
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Subject: Re: I AM AGAINST!!
Date: 13 Jul 1995 08:32:49 -0400
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In article <3u10n8$[e-mail]> Tom Childers <[e-mail]> writes:
>I liked it better when the FCC gave the exams.  Just a comment from an
>old curmudgeon :-)
>
>N5GE
Yea,
        I really miss having to drive 80+ miles to the nearest semi-annual
exam given by the FCC.  I really miss having only 1 chance to suceed, they
don't give wimps a second try.  I really miss being told to re-register to
take a code test next time, when i only signed up for the Advanced written.
I really miss the examiners not know anything about Ham radio, just
there to grade exams.

>Sorry, I'm real active now as an INVOLVED CONTRIBUTING examiner,
willing to HELP the new hams not complain about how "good" it was..

Tom


--
Thomas C. J. Sefranek  WA1RHP


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas C Sefranek)
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Subject: Re: HOW DO YOU CHANGE FINGERPRINT ON RAIDO ?
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Zack!
        You missed the point!  The radio is STOLEN, and he wants to remove
his fingerprint(s). :)

TOm

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas C Sefranek)
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I want to point out that Ed said.. mostly...

He doesn't love me anymore!  He didn't show up for his yearly ration of
boat-anchors and harassment, even though he WAS in the area!

So I'll get revenge and visit HIM at the all powerfull ARRL headquarters.
(And I'll bring a truck full too!)

But, Ed is right, the ARRL is only as good as YOU make it.

Tom

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Thomas C. J. Sefranek  WA1RHP


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Swynford)
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Here in Britain there is a prison hospital called Broadmoor
(where they lock up some of our worst psychos)...

I believe it is the first prison to teach Amateur Radio to
its inmates.

I'm not sure which notorious convicts are getting their licences.
Those details are probably sensitive and/or classified.

73
Peter
G0PUB
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DavidB9608)
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I have rf concepts amps for 2 meters and for 440 and the preams workwell
in both amps the make the unreadable readable and the noisy less noisy.


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:43 1995
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In article <3u3348$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Paul Ferguson" writes:

 > The level of insults has not been appropriate. Burt's contributions
 > deserve more than this.

I do agree that people should never use an inappropriate level of insult.

BTW, just how much more of this did you have in mind that Burt deserves?

--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email:  [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


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From: [e-mail] (Oliver Gross)
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I am looking at the yeasu FT-11
I would like any information that people have on it.
Do you like it, can it be modified.

Any thing would be helpful

Thanks..

                Oliver N9UWI
[e-mail]


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SUBJECT: POPÆCOMM 8/95 HIGHLIGHTS

POPULAR COMMUNICATIONS
August, 1995, Cover Story

"THE PAGER INSIDER --
Did You Know These Facts?"
By Danny Burnstein
⌐1995 CQ Communications, Inc.

     Beepers have become the communications
tool of the 1990s. And why not? Not only do
they keep you in touch with the office, family
and friends when you are on the go, they are
also compact, come in an array of fashion
colors and styles, and many even offer special
functions.
     This month's "Popular Communications"
cover story goes beyond explaining why it is
good to carry a beeper. It also answers
questions about pagers that nearly every user
has wondered about from time to time.
     Learn how messages are sent through
beepers; how to receive special services,
i.e., sports and news; how to monitor beeper
channels, coverage aspects, even fees for
specific ranges and area coverage.
     "The Pager Insider" will tell you
everything you would ever want (and need) to
know about pagers, and then some. So, if you're
thinking of buying a beeper, it might help to
read this article before you make your purchase.
It starts on Page 8 of the August issue of
"Popular Communications."

(POP'COMM cover story profiles by Deena Marie
 Amato, Associate Editor)

--------
HEREÆS WHAT ELSE IS FEATURED IN THE AUGUST,
1995 ISSUE OF "POPULAR COMMUNICATIONS":

DECODING NON-VOICE PAGER MESSAGES
by Tom Kneitel, K2AES, Editor
How to read the hidden traffic of digital
paging signals.

MOVIN' ON UP!
by Tom Kneitel, K2AES, Editor
Scan these federal agency 900 MHz relay stations.

SELECTED ENGLISH LANGUAGE BROADCASTS: SUMMER, 1995
by Gerry L. Dexter
A representative listing helping you tune in to
worldwide English programs.

RADIO AS IT WAS
by Ronald R. Thomas
Learn how and where commercial operators trained
in the 1930s.

WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE VERY LOW FREQUENCIES?
by Robert S. Capon, WA3ULH
Put your receiver and your nose for news to work!

FIND THAT CHANNEL!
by John A. D'Angelo
Organize your scanner with a spreadsheet.

NO PARROTS ALLOWED
by Robert H. Schwaninger, Jr.
An attorney's opinions on pirate radio.

PLUS ... all of the regular columns that
Popular Communications readers look forward to
every month.

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AUGUST '95 "CQ" MAGAZINE HIGHLIGHTS

Here's what's scheduled to appear in the
August, 1995, issue of "CQ" magazine --
the Radio Amateur's Journal since 1945:

ANTENNAS, ANTENNAS, ANTENNAS
You can't make contacts without an antenna,
and the August issue of CQ is full of practical
antenna articles.  Here's a sampling:

HOW TO BUILD LOW-COST VERTICAL ANTENNAS FOR
YOUR QTH, by Phil Salas, AD5X
Phil starts off with a lesson in aluminum tubing
and PVC pipe measurement, then sends us off to
our local home supply store to build a vertical
for nearly any band. (This is a follow-up to
Phil's June '95 CQ article, LOW-COST MOBILE
ANTENNA ACCESSORIES FROM PLUMBING PARTS)

A 75 AND 40-METER HORIZONTAL LOOP ANTENNA
by Sidney Rexford, W2TBZ
If you've got the room, CQ's got the antenna --
a horizontal quad loop that works well on both
75 and 40 meters.

THE 160-RV ANTENNA: A G5RV ADAPTER FOR 160 METERS
by Thomas M. Hart, AD1B
If you DON'T have the room, but still have the
urge to operate the "top band," Tom's article
will show you how to put a G5RV shortened dipole
to work on 160.

And for the rest of us...
ANTENNAS HATE ME! by John K. Munroe, W7KCN

Additional features include:
1995 CQ 160 METER CONTEST HIGH CLAIMED SCORES;


CQ REVIEWS for August include:
THE S&S ENGINEERING PC1 PROGRAMMABLE COUNTER,
 by Paul Carr, N4PC, and
THE CUSHCRAFT ASL 2010 LOG-PERIODIC ANTENNA,
 by Paul Carr, N4PC

August Column & Department topics are:
ANTENNAS & ACCESSORIES: BOOK NOOK - ANTENNA AND
 COMPUTER NOTES, by Karl T. Thurber, Jr., W8FX
AWARDS: STORY OF THE MONTH - WILL PHILLIPS,
 VE3FNM,  by Norm Van Raay, WA3RTY
BILL'S BASICS: INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS
 APPLICABLE TO AMATEURS, by Bill Welsh, W6DDB
CONTEST CALENDAR: CONTESTER'S GUIDE TO FINDING
 MULTIPLIERS; plus CONTESTS FOR AUG. & EARLY
 SEPT., by John Dorr, K1AR
DOUG'S DESK: SOME ANTENNA TUNER TIPS, by Doug
 DeMaw, W1FB
DX: NORTH KOREA, by Chod Harris, VP2ML
MATH'S NOTES: EASY-TO-IMPLEMENT, GENERAL-PURPOSE
 AUDIO AMPLIFIERS, by Irwin Math, WA2NDM
PACKET USER'S NOTEBOOK: WHAT'S A K-NET?  by Buck
 Rogers, K4ABT
PROPAGATION: SUNSPOT PLATEAU, DX CHARTS FOR AUG.
 15TH THROUGH SEPT. 15TH, by George Jacobs, W3ASK
RADIO FUNDAMENTALS: A SIMPLE MULTIBAND ARRAY FOR
 7, 10, 14, 18 AND 21 MHZ, by Bill Orr, W6SAI
VHF PLUS: LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE OKLAHOMA CITY
 BOMBING ROVER OPERATION, by Joe Lynch, N6CL
WASHINGTON READOUT: INFORMATION BULLETIN BROAD-
 CASTING ON THE AMATEUR BANDS, by Frederick O.
 Maia, W5YI
WORLD OF IDEAS: QRP ALIVE WITH THRILLS AND DX!
 by Dave Ingram, K4TWJ

The August issue of CQ - THE RADIO AMATEUR'S JOURNAL
should be on newsstands and in subscribers' mailboxes
by late July.

You may contact CQ Online at any of the following
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:49 1995
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From: Paul Ferguson <[e-mail]>
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The level of insults has not been appropriate. Burt's contributions
deserve more than this.

Paul  [e-mail]



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That's "infamous."

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From: [e-mail] (Jerome Kaidor)
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Hi,

   I'm considering buying a house in the Emerald Hills section of
Redwood City, California.  One of my concerns is that I be able to put
up a decent antenna.  At this point in my life, a "decent anntenna"
means something on the order of a 50-foot crankup tower topped by a
tribander.

   So before even thinking of making an offer, I went down to the county
planning office to see what antenna restrictions there might be.  This is
what they told me:

    * If it's detached from the house, a tower can be up to 19 feet tall.
    * If it's attached to the house, the tower can be up to 36 feet tall.
    * If its on top of the roof, the top point of the tower can be 36
      feet above grade.

   I find these restrictions unnacceptable :-(.

  Exceptions can be had by applying for a "use permit".  A "use permit"
involves a public hearing, an application fee of $1540.00, and a wait of
five months.

  So I wonder if anybody can answer me a few questions?

   1)  Local folks:  what are the antenna regs in *your* community?
       Are there any SF Peninsula places especially friendly to hams?

   2)  What's the current status of the FCC pre-emption of local zoning
       regulations?   Could it somehow prohibit the county from making me
       apply for a "use permit"?  The issue here is not CC&R's, but
       rather county zoning rules.

  Please excuse the cross-posting - I wanted the largest possible audience
for this post;  it's somewhat urgent because the XYL wants to know ASAP
if she can have the house :-).  Followups are directed to r.r.a.policy.

                       - Jerry Kaidor, KF6VB ( [e-mail] )


















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Ed Ellers ([e-mail]) wrote:


: Come ON, Gary!  Do you actually believe for one second that any other
: country would consider our dropping the Morse test an act of war against
: them?


   States, certainly not! But some clubs might!


    Cheers,
            David  GM4ZNX


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Subject: Re: HOW DO YOU CHANGE FINGERPRINT ON RAIDO ?
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>In a previous article, [e-mail] (Mary Johnson) says:

>...Imprint on the raido or FingerPrint it leaves when it first keys Up

->>[e-mail] (Zack Widup) wrote:

->>I didn't know you could fingerprint a raido! They mess up the ink
->>pad too much...

8-D

Ya know, I called all over the country looking for any type of raido...no
luck.  What does a raido do anyway, kill cockroaches?

[Sorry Mary, just havin' fun]

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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Thomas C Sefranek) says:

>Zack!
>       You missed the point!  The radio is STOLEN, and he wants to remove
>his fingerprint(s). :)
>
>TOm
>
>--
>Thomas C. J. Sefranek  WA1RHP
>

Hi Tom,
        She didn't have a radio, but a raido. I believe it's an
endangered species from along the Amazon river. In captivity, they only
eat canned succotash!      :-))

                                        73, Zack W9SZ


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to Insult by Ken. M. Edwards PE
Date: 13 Jul 1995 13:48:35 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
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In article <3u3348$[e-mail]>, Paul Ferguson <[e-mail]> writes:
|> The level of insults has not been appropriate. Burt's contributions
|> deserve more than this.
|>
|> Paul  [e-mail]
|>

Did Burt use my name in vain ? Apparently so.  Sorry Burt, I have turned
a deaf ear to you rubbish.

Thank you Paul for the support (as well as the countless that have e-mailed),
it has reinforced my belief that there are acceptable guidelines in society
that one can and must follow.  Unfortunately, Burt never learned them.







2. I do not INTEND to upset people.
                                  - Burt Fisher
--
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Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Walter R Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How safe is a 900mhz cordless phone?
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 13:56:03 EDT
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Jim Martin) writes:

>You DO know that 902-928 MHz is the 33cm ham band right?  Of course amateurs
>have secondary use to the government radiolocations (RADAR) stations...and

Er...  Look at my sig..  They were telephone conversations, I guess I
should have specified that.. :)

>microwave ovens manufactured before 1 Jan 80 at 915MHz...Automatic Vehicle
>Monitoring Systems (AVM) between 904-912MHz and 918-926MHz...etcetera...
>etcetera...etcetera

Yeah, I realized that there's a bunch of stuff around there, but these
were telephone conversations..  But to be honest I'm now not sure how
many of them were actually cordless or which ones were cellular images.

---
     Walter    _                                              Alinco 580
       R    _ //  [e-mail]     [e-mail]
    Francis ¢X/   [e-mail]  [e-mail]       KE4UWN


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to Insult by Ken. M. Edwards PE
Date: 13 Jul 1995 14:16:02 GMT
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Oh, Burt, I guess I lost my title.  Why don't you go over to rec.radio.amateur.policy and have some fun, since I am ignoring you...


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Burt Fisher, Trouble Maker (was Re: Grade this term paper?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <3tjos5$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:44:21 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Alan Braun) writes:
>
>> But I am a vocational teacher,
>> I have done.
>
>It scares me to think this guy is teaching other people's kids.  His
>vocabulary, his intelligence, his thought processes and even his spelling
>are not deserving of a high school diploma, much less a teaching
>certificate!

True, but he's not a real teacher, he's a vocational teacher. They seem
to have a requirement that their knuckles drag the ground. After all,
they flunked out of the real world and had to fall back on teaching
instead of doing. Give him some slack, after all, a vo-ed teacher is
two steps above a cop, and three below a garbage collector. At least
he isn't a scum-sucking bottom-feeding lawyer. (OJ's going to get off
because he looks like a saint compared to the lawyers on the case.)

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

--
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Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW

All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of
my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Do Pre-amps work?
Date: 13 Jul 1995 14:17:05 GMT
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Well,

The preamp in the anplifier is indeed a useless feature,
unless you are in the unhappy situation of owning a particularly
deaf receiver (which does happen, see the other reply)

Otherwise it is likely to *degrade* signal to noise, since
HT's with wide RX coverage are quite prone to overloading anyway,
and the extra preamp will surely enhance overloading.

Of course some clever people put the amp/preamp combination
before any long antenna cable and controll it remotely,
and than it will certainly help.

73, Moritz DL5UH




From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
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Subject: Re: Apple Petition for Rulemaking "NII Band"
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Date: 13 Jul 1995 14:20:38 -0700
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Francis A. Ney, Jr. ([e-mail]) recently wrote
                 in <znr805576214k@Digex>:

: Point of Information.

: What specific use is station N6FRI making of the 5.7 GHz band?

While some Amateurs are willing to give up their spectrum to an
unregulated "Part 16" environment, WE are using the band. N6FRI and other
Amateurs have used the band since 1968 to intitially link their 2 meter
and 440 repeaters. You may want to read the articles published in the ARRL
QST for some information of the San Francisco Bay Area group of 5.7 GHz
network Amateurs.

One good article was written about the use of 5.7 GHz in the cover story
about the Berkeley Hills Fire. Amateurs were able to provide T1 service
to the Incident Command Center located in the fire zone, miles from the
nearest utility.  This is emergency communications at its finest.

Amateurs were able to provide that "last mile of service" so commanders
could communicate with their computers in Sacramento. All of this took
place in an urban hilly setting as the fire storm destroyed over three
thousand homes.

We have been doing what Apple and other market makers are dreaming of
doing.  Now would you be willing to give "Part 16" status to a one MHz
window in the middle of the two meter band?  Sure you would if you had no
interest in the band.    Lots of money to be made .. right?

Maybe some amateurs have a pecunary interest in moving to "Part 16" ?

Bob    n6fri
--
     Bob Wilkins                     work    [e-mail]
 Berkeley, California                home    [e-mail]
     94712-2354                      play    n6fri@n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.noam




From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:58 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FAX NUMBER (was: urgently need FCC 610A...)
Date: 13 Jul 1995 14:27:57 GMT
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Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]> wrote:

> You can get a FCC-610 by "fax on demand" service from the FCC
> forms contractor in Washington D.C.  You must CALL FROM A FAX
> machine - so you pay for the call.  Use the fax handset to
> make touchtone selections then press the START button on the
> machine to receive the desired form.
>
> The Document Retrieval Number for the 610 form is 000610.
>

Sorry - after writing all of that I forgot to include the phone
number.  212-418-0177.

Curtis Wheeler   San Ramon, CA
KD6ELA / GROL / Pvt. Pilot



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:48:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: IC 706
Date: 13 Jul 1995 14:49:49 GMT
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Hi all. Anyone seen the new ICOM rig, the IC-706 "in the flesh" yet?

Lots of publicity here in the UK in the mags and I have the advertising
sheets from ICOM but the rig itself will not be in the country till
August.

Guess there won't be any reviews for a while.

As I understand, it is not yet FCC approved for use in the US.

Looks an interesting rig with 100W HF and 6m, 10W 2m all mode.


73..Peter, G4BVH




From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dan and Carol Clark )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help in choosing a mobile antenna
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I desire to use a mobile antenna on a sailboat and on a fifth wheel,
therefore this antenna must be easily moveable. I have the obvious
choices of the Ham stick, Hustler and Outbacker antennas.

I desire any comments on these choices and any other suggestions a ham
may have. I would like to know about their general ease of mounting,
general performance, noise, ease of band change, broadband performance
and any other comments users may have in regards to these antennas.
Thank you for your time.
Dan, N6FPE, Rancho Cucamonga.


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Reciprocal licence wanted for ISRAEL
Date: 13 Jul 1995 15:41:23 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Bruno Bienenfeld <[e-mail]> wrote:
>To get Israely reciprocal license is a matter of 20 to 30 min.
>Upon arrival, you should visit Israely Ministary of Telecomunication,
>Radio Amateur Section  in Tel Aviv located in "Shalom Towers".
>Present your valid license and in 5 min you are done!!
>That is if the person in charge is in the office, not on coffee/tea
>break or strike.

The mail address I got from an Israeli amateur was:

Ms. Miriam Stettle
Ministry of Communications
Radio Amateur Authoirity
10th Floor
Migdal Shalom
Tel Aviv, ISRAEL

(I didn't get the postal code.)

>from the log of AA6AD

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


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Subject: Re: Why not Steel for Antenna Wire?
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 15:42:30 EDT
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> Subject: Why not Steel for Antenna Wire?
> Date: 12 Jul 1995 19:19:59 GMT
> A friend said that he read in the ARRL Handbook that they said not to use
> Steel wire for Antennas. He asked me why, and I said, gee I don't know.
> Maybe one of you do?


Brad main reason is it rust's. and is very hard to solder to.
Course Your going to hear about radiation resistence and many other things.
but that will only account for a small loss in transmission or reception.
Before the many bring up using stainless or how to solder to steel. I know how
I just really dont want to>:)
73 spins dray



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Date: 13 Jul 1995 15:44:04 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Peter Swynford <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Here in Britain there is a prison hospital called Broadmoor
>(where they lock up some of our worst psychos)...
>I believe it is the first prison to teach Amateur Radio to
>its inmates.

Good! G-land calls in the fray on 14.313.

>Peter

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:03 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 10m + transverter or 2m allmode
Date: 13 Jul 1995 15:46:17 -0400
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Will a 10m allmode rig + 2m and 70 cm transverters perform as
well as a 2m allmode rig for SSB and satellite work?

--Thanks
--
---------------------------------------------------------------
  Todd Owen (KE4UDN)         Virginia Commonwealth University
  [e-mail]      Richmond, Virginia
---------------------------------------------------------------


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert C. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: source of quick-release harness for mobile rigs ??
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 16:23:27 GMT
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[e-mail] (steve sheppard) wrote:

>Can anyone point me to:
>     (1) a commercially made product
>  or (2) useful homebrew hints
>for a quick-disconnect harness for a mobile 2M or dual-band rig ?
>(The rig in question is a Yaesu FT-2400).

>I remember hearing of such a beast once but don't remember the source.

Larsen Antennas used to make such a quick release mount, but I am not
sure if they still do.  You could call them direct.
Their phone number is [phone].

Good Luck!

____________________
Regards,

Bob Martin
[e-mail]
Opinions expressed are mine and probably nobody elses!



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (phil reed)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Email not protected
Date: 13 Jul 1995 16:29:56 GMT
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In article <3trclt$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>
>After all the comments from Roger and others about the propriety,
>legality, etc. of posting private email in a public forum, there are a
>few things some of us are apparantly forgetting.
>
>If you send me a piece of First Class mail, it is MINE once I receive it.
>I may do with it as I wish. Period. No matter how personal or private, it
>is MINE, and if I wast to rent out the TImes Square lightboard and have
>your letter displayed at rush hour, I can do that.
>
>Unless certain personal communications fall under the protection of
>ethics canons (ie. attorney-client, doctor-patient, clergy-parishioner,
>etc.) there is NO protection under the law. None whatsoever. Unless you
>copyright your letter to me, and clearly indicate so, you're out of luck.

BZZT Sorry, but you are mistaken. Since the United States has joined the Berne
Convention, any writing is automatically copyrighted once it is committed
to tangible form. Registration is not required. Email is considered a
tangible form.

But, thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts. Johnny?

>
>Bad form to republish - maybe. That's my problem, and yours. It's NOT the
>problem of EVERYONE else who gets mail through the Post Office.
>
>Get the point?

Yeah. Not only are you ignorant, you're a boor, too.

--
                        ...phil / kb8uoy

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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Subject: Re: I AM AGAINST!!
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Tom Childers <[e-mail]> wrote:

:>I liked it better when the FCC gave the exams.  Just a comment from an
:>old curmudgeon :-)

I have to say I did too.  FWIW my Novice exam was given to me by one advanced
class ham and then obtained my General and Advanced tickets at the FCC Field
Office in New Orleans...had to sign KA5MWD Interim O-R back when I got my
General.  Anyway had to travel 75 miles to get there...1.  I had a car.  2.  I
had shoes.  3.  It doesn't snow very often down there.  4.  The terrain is
fairly flat.  ;-D

Didn't have any question pools (yeah there was Dick Bash) then but the time
between testing (minimum of 30 days) was well spent learning more electronic
theory and practicing live code operations.  None of this hurry up and learn
so I can test tomorrow and the next day stuff.  [Remember all the cards and
poster and whatever you had on your walls and under glass on the desk and how
many times you practiced your code by sending every letter from them with your
key? Did anyone not do that back then?]

Took me eight months to go from Novice to General (skipped Tech) and then
another year before I got my Advanced.  Now, it took me seven years to get my
Extra.  Why?!?  Because of my lack of faith in the integrity of the VE system.
It took some talking to by HL9CK (God rest his soul)[I forget Charlie's US
callsign] to get me to take a test with the VE team at Osan Korea.  I passed
the code but not the written.  Then after getting to New Mexico it took me two
tries to pass element 4B.

After Charlie's talk I even became an Advanced class VE.  Some time after
getting my Extra in 1990 I took over the VE teams (ARRL and W5YI) in
Alamogordo, New Mexico.  Anyone who thinks like I did that there is no
integrity to the VE system really has no idea what they are thinking about.
Yeah, the So.Cal. deal, and the Dallas, TX and Puerto Rico things will
probably pop up but how many times have you thrown out the whole barrel of
apples because of three rotten ones?

And then there was the time I saw one individual get his Extra class ticket by
having a waiver signed by a doctor (who probably had no idea what he was
signing) because the individual had had a coronary by-pass.  One of my VE team
members who'd had a quadruple by-pass commented that he could copy code very
well...and he could too.  But it wasn't to us to discuss the validity of the
signature or the individul's ailment.  We almost didn't test this individual
on the written because he'd had an attitude and even DEMANDED we had to test
him.  He came awfully close to being thrown out of our session.  Every time I
tell this story I wish I could go back just to throw him out.  Oh well.

Just thought I would share my buck-three-eighty's worth.
73






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Jim Martin, WK1V                | I speak for no one....not even myself.
Lowell, Massachusetts           |
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Subject: Re: Arlb067 arrl president
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:


:>Wilson was the one who professed "undying love for the ARRL", that is NOT a
:>term you use for a ham radio organization. He may be all you say. But
:>his comments portrayed otherwise.

con-text(kan'tekst)n.[[ME<L contextus, a joining together, orig., weave]]
1 the parts of a sentence, paragraph, discourse, etc. immediately next to
or surrounding a specified word or passage and determining its exact meaning
[to quote a remark out of context] 2 the whole situation, background, or
environment relevant to a particular event, personality, creation, etc.
   -Webster's New World Dictionary, 3rd College Edition

Mr. Fisher, I am sure that Mr. Wilson knows exactly what he said and how he
meant it.  I am equally sure you are projecting to us what YOU would have
meant had you said same.

The people rest.
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Jim Martin, WK1V                | I speak for no one....not even myself.
Lowell, Massachusetts           |
USAF(Ret) 1973-1993             |
Ex-KB1LW-N1CLS-KA5MWD-HL9ZF     |
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Subject: Re: How safe is a 900mhz cordless phone?
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[e-mail] (Walter R Francis) wrote:

:>I was actually amazed to hear people all over the place, at one time
:>11 conversations from 902 to 908 or so..  And this is in a lower middle
:>class neighborhood, no super rich people around here...

You DO know that 902-928 MHz is the 33cm ham band right?  Of course amateurs
have secondary use to the government radiolocations (RADAR) stations...and
microwave ovens manufactured before 1 Jan 80 at 915MHz...Automatic Vehicle
Monitoring Systems (AVM) between 904-912MHz and 918-926MHz...etcetera...
etcetera...etcetera

Regardses-
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Jim Martin, WK1V                | I speak for no one....not even myself.
Lowell, Massachusetts           |
USAF(Ret) 1973-1993             |
Ex-KB1LW-N1CLS-KA5MWD-HL9ZF     |
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Subject: Re: How to _remove_ a gro
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[e-mail] wrote:

:>As far as removing one, forget it.  Its easier to buy a new piece.

Au contrair my ground pounding master...

It can be removed the same way you got yours in...I removed three ground rods
with the water pressure technique...and had to use the bumper jack in addition
to on two of them.

-Cheers
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Jim Martin, WK1V                | I speak for no one....not even myself.
Lowell, Massachusetts           |
USAF(Ret) 1973-1993             |
Ex-KB1LW-N1CLS-KA5MWD-HL9ZF     |
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Casey Romanski (@s914))
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Subject: Re: Info on FT-11R
Date: 13 Jul 1995 16:49:06 GMT
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Oliver,

I have both the FT-11r and the FT-51r. Both are great radios. I have had a few and these were the ones I will keep and continue to use. The FT11 is the sm
featured radio you will find. There is now a software/hardware (cable) interface
available to program the radio via RS232 and a computer. This feature alone would
convince me to purchase one. It also has great intermod rejection and as far as mod's,
it has expanded recieve right out of the box. You can mod it for transmit through
it entire RX range via a SMT jumper.  I have no complaints about the radio.
You won't regret the purchase!

Regards,
Casey Romanski




In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Oliver Gross) writes:
I am looking at the yeasu FT-11
I would like any information that people have on it.
Do you like it, can it be modified.

Any thing would be helpful

Thanks..

                Oliver N9UWI
[e-mail]






From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:13 1995
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Subject: ARLX029 Record set at 3456 MHz
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX029
ARLX029 Record set at 3456 MHz

ZCZC AX98
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 29  ARLX029
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  July 13, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX029
ARLX029 Record set at 3456 MHz

Extraordinary conditions for tropospheric propagation in the US
Midwest have resulted in a new overland record on the amateur 3456
MHz band.

At 1224 UTC on July 12, Al Ward, WB5LUA, in Allen, Texas, worked
Gary Morhlant, WA0BWE, in Maplewood, Minnesota, a distance of 841
miles.  The previous record of 736 miles was set on May 1, 1992,
between WB5LUA and W9ZIH, in Malta, Illinois.

As is often the case, this record-breaking activity began lower in
frequency, with an initial contact between WB5LUA and WA0BWE on 432
MHz, with signals ''59'' both ways, according to Ward.  An equipment
problem forced them to skip 1296 MHz (where the overland record is
1287 miles).

2304 MHz came next, and the first Texas-Minnesota 2304 MHz QSO
(where the record is 940 miles).   Contact was then ''easily
established'' on 3456 MHz.  WA0BWE was running about 5 watts;  WB5LUA
was running 100 watts to a 5-ft dish at 65 feet.

On July 13, excellent tropospheric propagation continued in the
midwest, with perhaps more distance records to come as a result.
Thanks to WB5LUA for prompt reporting of these developments.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:14 1995
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Subject: ARLX030 N9MEZ Young Ham of Year
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX030
ARLX030 N9MEZ Young Ham of Year

ZCZC AX99
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 30  ARLX030
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  July 13, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX030
ARLX030 N9MEZ Young Ham of Year

Adam Weyhaupt, N9MEZ, has been named the 1995 ''Young Ham of the
Year,'' an award jointly sponsored by Amateur Radio Newsline, Yaesu
USA, and CQ Magazine.

15-year-old Adam is the third winner in five years from the St Louis
area.  According to Bill Pasternak, WA6ITF, of Newsline, he was
selected for his ''extraordinary skills in communication,
organization, and leadership during a major disaster and a major
Amateur Radio public service event.''

During the Midwest floods of 1993, Adam, then age 13, was in charge
of scheduling ham radio operators for round-the-clock emergency
communication.  He also acted as net control station for the
disaster communications in his area, according to Pasternak.

The following year, at age 14, Adam was a key organizer of amateur
communication for the US Olympic Festival, held in St. Louis,
Pasternak said.

Currently, Adam is the network manager of his local Amateur Radio
Emergency Service (ARES) net and a net control and weather spotter
for the National Weather Service's ''Skywarn'' network.  He also edits
a regional ''Skywarn Newsletter.''

Adam lives with his parents, Gil (KA9YAW) and Teresa Weyhaupt, and
two younger sisters, Ann and Ellen.  He has been a licensed amateur
since 1991 and holds a Technician class license.

Adam will receive his award on August 19, at the Huntsville Hamfest
in Huntsville, Alabama.  Also taking part will be the 1994 Young Ham
of the Year, 16-year-old Allison Zettwoch, KD4CKP.

Two additional finalists for the ''Young Ham of the Year'' award were
18-year-old Bryce Duncan, N0YDI, of Red Wing, Minnesota, and Toby
Metz, KB7UIM, a 14-year-old from Meridian, Idaho.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:15 1995
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Subject: 50 watt mobile so cheap your head will *SPIN*
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 17:43:50 EST
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OK all you headspinners out there, this is my last piece of ham
equipment and I'm looking to get rid of it.  As most of you know, I'm
selling all my equipment to help fund flying lessons.  This being an
expensive undertaking, I'm selling almost all my ham gear.  Anyway here
are the details...

Alinco DR-130T 50 watt mobile.  about 6 months old, in excellent
electrical and physical condition.  This is a 50 watt 2 meter mobile and
has a DTMF microphone.  Nice for packet or mobile work.  Really large
display and great audio (unlike my old Yeasu).  Anyway, I'm looking to
get $200 for it.  This includes shipping and all manuals, boxes, ect.
If interested E-mail me at: [e-mail].

Tnx & 73
Bill
N3OGH

       Ps, if you would like to gripe about the fact that you feal this
message is in the wrong forum, don't bother.  I don't have access to any
other forum and enough people seem interested in buying my gear
instead of launching some self rightous crusade to be the net police.


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:16 1995
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From: mvazquez@cic (Miguel Angel Vazquez L'opez)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Kenwod TM-251E frecuncy by Soft/Hard HELP
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Hi

I'm the tecnical SysOp of gateway Internet<->ampernet and I have
the Kenwood TM-251E, my problem is that the BBS forward is in
144.625 Mhz and my bbs in 144.650Mhz, so that if I want to do
forward I have to move in the frecuency and my solucion would
be if someone know about how to move in the frecuency via Software

Is Anyone can help me, I'm very pleasen

Thank you for read this.

73's Miki Vazquez
--
                                                                Miki Vazquez
                                               [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tony Carlisle)
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Subject: Code Trainer Wanted
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 19:17:23 GMT
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Can anyone point me to a computer program that will convert text into
code for training?

Can I FTP it from some place?

TC



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher A. Edmonds)
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Subject: Are There Any Bands Allocated for Experimental AM?
Date: 13 Jul 1995 20:18:32 GMT
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Hi,

I'm an instructor in electrical engineering, and I want to assign a project
to some students using a simple AM transmitter and receiver.

What I'm wondering, though, is whether there are any bands allocated for
this (preferably under 30MHz) since these students won't have any amateur
licenses. The transmitted power will be low, under 100mW probably.

Thanks.

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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Soo-Hoo)
Subject: Re: ? open 440 repeaters
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Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>[e-mail] (Kevin Karamanos ) writes:
>>[e-mail] writes:
>>>[e-mail] writes:
>
>>>>equipment is MUCH harder to come by than it is for 440. Some ham
>>>>manufacturers have dropped 220 radios from their line entirely,
>
>>>But why do the manufacturers have to dictate what bands hams operate
>>on?
>>>My Elmer, WA6AIG, and his buddies ("Rag and Tech Net") built all their
>>>own 220 gear back in the mid-60s (they had to - I don't believe there
>>>was any commercial gear available [surplus mil gear excluded]); what
>>>prevents today's VHF ops from doing the same?
>
>>Most Amateur manufacturers are making less 220 MHz equipment today
>>since 220 MHz Amateur can only be used in 2 countries around the world.
>> 2m and 440 MHz Amateur can be used in over 130 countries.  So we will
>>see a more and more 2m and 440 MHz gear. Very little 220 MHz gear in
>>the future.  Don't forget 1.2 GHz band (1240~1300 MHz).  You can now
>>use 1.2 GHz amateur gear in over 40 contries..
>
>You didn't address my question (you didn't even come close!). Why
>be dependent upon the manufacturers?
>
Why be dependent up on the manufacturers?  Simple, because amateurs radio
operators no longer make their own equipment.  For the most part they are
at the mercy of the manufacturers.  The hobby is market driven in most
cases.  I know in SO CA where 220 is popular (in contrast to many other
regions) where the availibility of 220 repeaters still makes the purchases
of 220 equipment but this is not the case in all areas.

The neato bells and whistles of equipment from the factory have
replaced the home brew stuff.  Those that are still into making homebrew
stuff are in the minority and as time goes on will lose their influence
in the hobby.








From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff McLeman)
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Subject: Re: AX-25 C Source
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 21:23:45 GMT
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[e-mail] (Len J Heins) wrote:

>Salutations

>I wonder if any of you fellow hams might know where I could lay my hands on a
>C implementation of the AX-25 Packet Radio Protocol.  I wish to incorporate it
>into some software I am writing!

>Thanks

>Len
>(ZR5LJH)

Why not get the spec and just define your data structures and write
the code? Other than that, you usually can find KA9Q's NOS sources on
the net and take some examples from that.

Jeff -- KD1IT

----------------------------------------------------
Jeff McLeman -- KD1IT      [e-mail]
Redmond, Wa                [e-mail]
                           [e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffery A. Schneider)
Subject: TM231 Backup battery
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Has anyone replaced the backup battery in their Kenwood TM231 2M xcvr? And
if so where is the little critter hiding and how do I get to the dang
thing? Thanks for your help.

Jeff, WM1Y


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 13 20:49:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Laws)
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Subject: Re: ARLB068 Fines for 4 amateurs
Date: 13 Jul 1995 21:49:27 GMT
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[e-mail] writes:

>ARLB068 Fines for 4 amateurs

>The FCC reduced the fine for Joseph F. Richard III, N5JNX, from 2000

Amateur Extra ...

>Vernon Paroli, KA5OWW, had his forfeiture amount reduced to 700

Amateur Extra ...

>The forfeiture amount for Will T. Blanton, N5ROC, was reduced from

General ...

>2,000 dollars to 1,000 dollars.  That of John B. Genovese, WB5LOC,

Advanced ...

Proving, yet again, how the evil "no-coders" are ruining the hobby.  Truly
a shame.  "When we had code to keep them out ..."

73,
:-)

Peter Laws<[e-mail]>|"Time flies when you're slackin'" - Brian Reed
n5uwy@ka5bml.#nwar.ar.usa.noam |<A HREF="http://comp.uark.edu/~plaws/">geek</A>



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:28 1995
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From: Ronald Thomas <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 10 meter satellite sub-band
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:22:11 -0400
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      Based on replies I've received, it seems that the FCC allows SSB
phone on 10-meters from 28.3-29.7 continuously.  However, some satellite
links occur between 29.3 and 29.5 and some amateur radio operators would
like this frequency range reserved for their personal usage.
     I am not aware of any other "unofficial" SSB restrictions on 10-meters,
other than "nets" which also seem to feel individual frequencies are
reserved for their personal use.  Am I missing any?


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
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Subject: Re: 10 meter satellite sub-band
Date: 24 Jul 1995 13:47:44 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Ronald Thomas) says:

>      Based on replies I've received, it seems that the FCC allows SSB
>phone on 10-meters from 28.3-29.7 continuously.  However, some satellite
>links occur between 29.3 and 29.5 and some amateur radio operators would
>like this frequency range reserved for their personal usage.
>     I am not aware of any other "unofficial" SSB restrictions on 10-meters,
>other than "nets" which also seem to feel individual frequencies are
>reserved for their personal use.  Am I missing any?
>

Hi,
        What you are missing is "Gentleman's Agreements." For example,
the FCC permits CW in the entire 20 meter band. The phone band starts at
14150 kHz. But you won't usually hear any CW above 14060 ... by
gentleman's agreement, the freqs above 14060 are occupied by the more
advanced digital modes, and the CW ops leave them clear. You probably
won't hear a lot of any US operations between 14100-14150 because by
gentleman's agreement, we stay clear to let the other countries with
'phone privileges in that band section use it for SSB.
        Also, by gentleman's agreement, the SSB section between 14150 and
14240 is called the "DX window". (The big DXpeditions usually transmit on
14195 and listen between 14200 and 14220.) 14230-14235 is the "SSTV
window" in the same sense, but isn't recognized as widely.
        So it goes with 10 meters. The satellites are up in orbit and we
can't change their downlink bands. I'd expect the same "gentleman's
agreements" to take place there, especially in light of this fact. I've
become very active on RS-12 lately, and personally haven't experienced
any interference at all there, but I'd like to see it at a minimum if it
does occur. I DO respect all these other "gentleman's agreements"!
        So let's all try to be gentlemen (and gentlewomen).

                                        73, Zack W9SZ
                                        Catch you on RS-12 !



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:31 1995
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>>>       Ps, if you would like to gripe about the fact that you feal this
>>>message is in the wrong forum, don't bother.  I don't have access to any
>>>other forum and enough people seem interested in buying my gear
>>>instead of launching some self rightous crusade to be the net police.

I would be more interested if you had a 220 m rig.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl  Budd Lake)
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Subject: Re: ? ALN PRT25A Military 6 meter Walkie Talkies ?
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Sean Murphy ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Does anyone own a functioning ALN-PRT25A U.S. Army walkie talkie?

: I found a surplus supply warehouse nearby that has several hundred in
: stock, all in the original seal packing boxes, bubble wrapped, mint
: physical condition, supposedly never used, supposedly fully functional
: with all associated battery and additional add-on parts &  plastic
: sealed documentation...

: They supposedly operate on slice of 6 meters...

: The proprietor wants $100 for a pair of these.  Is this a reasonable
: price for such equip...

It depends...what type of batteries does the unit use?  The battery
may be a problem if it isn't redily available.

: My understanding is that they are very durable, combat proven radios
: that were used in Viet Nam by the infantry.

If they are military, they'd certainly be durable.

: Please e-mail or reply to this news group if you have any information
: that would be helpful... Thanks in advance!

I've also cross posted this to the rec.radio.amateur.misc newsgroup.

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:33 1995
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 [e-mail] (phil reed) writes:
>[e-mail] says...

>>You are fooling yourself if you think the majority of the hams are still
>>building their equiment.  Radios for the most part are no longer built
>>from scratch by hams.  The true ham hobbist is a dying breed because
>>the next generation ham operator is not interested in building their
>>radios.

>You can tell that this has become a religious argument because we have one
>faction claiming to hold up the TRUTH, and the other faction is just a
>bunch of pretenders. Like a bunch of fundamentalist Christians saying,
>"He's not a REAL Christian because blah blah blah."
>What is a TRUE amateur?

Gee Phil, I started this thread by simply asking why hams appear to
be dependent upon the manufacturers (someone said that 220 activity
is low due to few commercially-made radios available). My suggestion
was to build a piece of gear instead of lamenting the low-availability
of a manufactured unit. At no time did I nor any of the respondents
come close to a "religious argument". Rather, one said no one is
building any more and I responded that the magazines are still
providing constructions articles month after month and that
technical books sales are still brisk.

Part 97.1 does `encourage' us to be technically inclined, which
comes about through building.

Note to John: "Majority of hams"?? I never said that - never made
mention of the number - only that there are still folks building.

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:34 1995
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
> [e-mail] (phil reed) writes:
>>[e-mail] says...
>
>>>You are fooling yourself if you think the majority of the hams are still
>>>building their equiment.  Radios for the most part are no longer built
>>>from scratch by hams.  The true ham hobbist is a dying breed because
>>>the next generation ham operator is not interested in building their
>>>radios.
>
>>You can tell that this has become a religious argument because we have one
>>faction claiming to hold up the TRUTH, and the other faction is just a
>>bunch of pretenders. Like a bunch of fundamentalist Christians saying,
>>"He's not a REAL Christian because blah blah blah."
>>What is a TRUE amateur?
>
>Gee Phil, I started this thread by simply asking why hams appear to
>be dependent upon the manufacturers (someone said that 220 activity
>is low due to few commercially-made radios available). My suggestion
>was to build a piece of gear instead of lamenting the low-availability
>of a manufactured unit. At no time did I nor any of the respondents
>come close to a "religious argument". Rather, one said no one is
>building any more and I responded that the magazines are still
>providing constructions articles month after month and that
>technical books sales are still brisk.

You missed my point, but it's not worth getting worked up about.

>
>Part 97.1 does `encourage' us to be technically inclined, which
>comes about through building.

Among other methods. I'm sure that you aren't saying that 'building' is
the ONLY way to be technically inclined. Right?

--
                        ...phil

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:35 1995
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For those of You, who are traveling through Albuquerque, or plan on
attending the Hamfest, August 26, 1995 (Details are in Aug. "QST" & via
this newsgroup), I would encourage You to use the following URL

http://www.swcp.com/~ab5p/foxhunt.html

                     73...Jay, WA5WHN


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:36 1995
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In article <3unl6s$[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Stephen F. White" writes:

> >[snip]
> >
> >Is the proper pronounciation (for lima) "leema" or "lie-ma" ?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >- John J. Amsler
>
>
> It's "leema", as in the pronunciation of the Peruvian city. "Lye-ma" is an
>  English corruption, and
   ^^^^^^^
I have to disagree; I've never met anyone from England (or any other part
of the British Isles) who says lye-ma: to my mind, it's an entirely
American phenomenon.

> it's hard to say how it got to be pronounced that way, but only the beans are
>  described that way,
> as far as I know. That's maybe not far enough. Let's just say it =should= be
>  pronounced "leema",
> as the name of the city.

As indeed it, the beans, and the city, are pronounced in BrE.

--
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                         [e-mail]
Dragonhill Systems Ltd     Tel: Faringdon [phone] [Fax: [phone]]
Bramble Passage, 20 Coxwell Street, FARINGDON, Oxon, SN7 7HA, United Kingdom



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:37 1995
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Guy enters a store (not a homeless person). Three clerks at the
counter-one engaged in social chitchat with someone, another
working on the phone with a customer a third entering data into
a PC. Guy waits 4-5 minutes. Store clerks don`t even recognize
his presence. Guy approaches clerk working on computer. "How long
will it be before someone can wait on me?"

Clerk says: "I`m gonna be busy for 30 minutes".

This is the kind of treatment you can expect at Amateur Electronic
Supply in Orlando.

I have received email from others who have been treated poorly by
these jerks. IMO, they are a bunch of A**holes.
For those of you who are unhappy with these guys, there's always
Ham Radio Outlet, 390 Diablo Rd., Ste 210, Danville,CA  94526
[phone].



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ian Stewart)
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[e-mail] (Dwane Ell) wrote:

>I am looking for the internet address of a good amateur radio ftp site.

Hi, I have a couple, try

ftp ftp.funet.fi

start in the /pub/ham/  subdirectory

also try -

ftp wb3ffv1.sed.csc.com

and take it from there

cheers - Ian ZL2TMQ



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BUDDY10)
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Subject: Another question on learning code !!!
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O.K. , I am at the point that I know all the letters(except V) & some #'s.
 I have been learning the letters & #'s at a character speed of 18wpm and
word speed of 7wpm. I have been averaging a success rate of 94-95%.  My
question is this : should I speed it up so that I miss more letters ? I
thought I should learn at a speed that I would "get" mostly all of the
sent symbols, but I have read here alot of people that say you miss more
often.  What should I do ?   Please E-mail me.
Thanks !!!


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:40 1995
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I want to install a Larson KG series glass mount antenna on my 1989 Ford
Probe. The instruction sheet that that came with the Larson states "Do not
install on glass with metallic content (passivated glass i.e. "solar-coat",
"solar-cool")."  On the window I want to mount the antenna on, it says "Carlite
SUN-X AS2".  I talked with the nice folks at Larson and they didn't have any
info (good or bad) on SUN-X.  Does anyone have any experience here?

                                                                                                                                                        Jo
                                                                                                                                                        WA




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:41 1995
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I want to install a Larson KG series glass mount antenna on my 1989 Ford
Probe. The instruction sheet that that came with the Larson states "Do not
install on glass with metallic content (passivated glass i.e. "solar-coat",
"solar-cool")."  On the window I want to mount the antenna on, it says "Carlite
SUN-X AS2".  I talked with the nice folks at Larson and they didn't have any
info (good or bad) on SUN-X.  Does anyone have any experience here?

                                                                                                                                                        Jo
                                                                                                                                                        WA




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:42 1995
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I want to install a Larson KG series glass mount antenna on my 1989 Ford
Probe. The instruction sheet that that came with the Larson states "Do not
install on glass with metallic content (passivated glass i.e. "solar-coat",
"solar-cool")."  On the window I want to mount the antenna on, it says "Carlite
SUN-X AS2".  I talked with the nice folks at Larson and they didn't have any
info (good or bad) on SUN-X.  Does anyone have any experience here?

                                                                                                                                                        Jo
                                                                                                                                                        WA




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:43 1995
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I want to install a Larson KG series glass mount antenna on my 1989 Ford
Probe. The instruction sheet that that came with the Larson states "Do not
install on glass with metallic content (passivated glass i.e. "solar-coat",
"solar-cool")."  On the window I want to mount the antenna on, it says "Carlite
SUN-X AS2".  I talked with the nice folks at Larson and they didn't have any
info (good or bad) on SUN-X.  Does anyone have any experience here?

                                                                                                                                                        Jo
                                                                                                                                                        WA




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:44 1995
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I want to install a Larson KG series glass mount antenna on my 1989 Ford
Probe. The instruction sheet that that came with the Larson states "Do not
install on glass with metallic content (passivated glass i.e. "solar-coat",
"solar-cool")."  On the window I want to mount the antenna on, it says "Carlite
SUN-X AS2".  I talked with the nice folks at Larson and they didn't have any
info (good or bad) on SUN-X.  Does anyone have any experience here?

                                                                                                                                                        Jo
                                                                                                                                                        WA




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington)
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In article <3unbus$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>What are the antenna restrictions in Los Angeles ?  I live in L.A.
,right
>below Hollywood.  Any help would be GREATLY appreciated ! Please e-mail
me
>!
>Thanks !!!
>
>P.S.  I live in a house.

You are very fortunate.  LA has a ham-written ordinance governing
antennas that is very liberal.  Contact ARRL or your section managers for
details.  There is a discussion of the ordinance in August 95 QST.


--
Roger J. Buffington
1L, USC Law School
[e-mail]
AB6WR
Go Trojans!
WARPing with IBM OS/2 3.0 and PM-Mail
Scotty, beam me up...



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Stan Bown)
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Sirs:

I know that no one Really want to commit to recommending any HAM
equipt...one would say that you need to try out what you think is
best...talk to friends....but I hvane chosen to address my "quest" to you.
I bought a tri band-tower-rotator last year (used).  We have lots of high
winds in our area (20 mile from Arizona & Nevada).  Well, the old rotator
finally quite.  No we don't have trees for a long wire.   The rotator was a
old HAMIV.  I would appreciate any suggestions.  Maybe you could refer me to
someone that has one they're not using for a reasonbable price.  As I am
100% disabled, with a set income.
Thanks for your help.

Stan KA7UJX



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ralph J. Coppola)
Subject: Any Radio Astro. in P.E.I. ???
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Are there any amateur radio astronomers or HAMS who might be interested
in radio astronomy, in P.E.I., CA ?

Perhaps 2 mtr to start with.

We have two sites, one in HFX and the other in SJ, NB.

Now looking for a third!
======================================================================
Ralph J. Coppola
[e-mail]

Society for Amateur Scientists

Official WWW Site ... http://www.thesphere.com/SAS/
Secondary Site ...... http://www.ccn.cs.dal.ca/Science/SAS/sas-home.html


--


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:48 1995
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SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP031
ARLP031 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP99
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 31  ARLP031
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  July 21, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP031
ARLP031 Propagation de KT7H

Solar flux was down an average of six points last week compared to
the previous week.  Conditions have been unstable, with the worst
days July 16 and 17, when the A index was 22 and 23.  Conditions
should quiet down after a few days, and A indices should drop below
ten around the end of the month and stay stable until August 11.
Look for the next disturbed period around August 13.  Solar flux
will rise gradually, peaking around 90 from August 4 through 6.

For the rest of the solar cycle, the latest projection shows the
solar flux reaching bottom around late Summer or Fall of 1996, with
an average value of 68.  The low point for the Sunspot Number is an
average of six from April through June of 1996.

Sunspot Numbers for July 13 through July 19 were 23, 20, 29, 24, 22,
19 and 33, with a mean of 24.3.  10.7 cm flux was 72.5, 74.4, 74.4,
73.5, 72.3, 72 and 70.5, with a mean of 72.8.

Path predictions for this week are from Norfolk, Virginia and Little
Rock, Arkansas to Svalbard (JW).

From Norfolk, the path looks good on 40 meters from 0030 to 0630z,
and on 30 meters from 2200 to 0700, and possibly as late as
1100.  20 meters should be open from 2200 to 0300 and again
around 0930 to 1200.

From Little Rock 40 meters should be open from 0300 to 0530z, and
30 meters from 0000 to 0830.  Check 20 meters from 1530 to
0100, although on some days it may open as early as 1400 and
close as late as 0530.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:50 1995
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Subject: ARLX032 Stan Kaisel, K6UD, SK
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX032
ARLX032 Stan Kaisel, K6UD, SK

ZCZC AX02
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 32  ARLX032
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  July 21, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX032
ARLX032 Stan Kaisel, K6UD, SK

Stan Kaisel, K6UD, died June 22, 1995, in Portola Valley,
California.  He was 72 years old.

According to the San Jose (California) Mercury News, Kaisel was a
pioneer in microwave engineering and made valuable contributions to
the new technology of electronic warfare during World War 2.  He
went to Saipan, where US B-29s were being destroyed on the ground as
well as in the air.  ''Being 20 years old and not knowing any better,
I didn't know you couldn't do these things, so I just went in and
did them,'' he later told a historian for the Institute of Electrical
and Electronics Engineers (IEEE).

Kaisel became a licensed amateur at age 13, and graduated from
Washington University in St Louis in 1943. He went to Cambridge,
Massachusetts, and for two years was part of the Radio Research Lab
there.  His specialty was developing a technique for jamming enemy
radar.

Kaisel earned his doctorate from Stanford in 1949 and worked there
as a researcher until forming a company, Microwave Electronics Corp,
in 1959.  Among his scientific accomplishments were helping to build
the first linear electron accelerator and developing traveling-wave
tubes.

A business associate told the Mercury News that Kaisel was ''uniquely
public-spirited,'' citing his fund-raising efforts and his founding
of a Wellness Center at Stanford, just before his death.  He also
was an education activist, involved in supporting public school
funding.

Stan Kaisel was an ARRL life member, a member of the board of
directors of the Northern California DX Foundation (NCDXF), and also
was a member of the Northern California DX Club (NCDXC).  He was on
the ARRL DXCC Honor Roll, both Mixed and Phone.

He leaves his wife, Mary Ann Kaisel, and a son and daughter.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Jarrell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ATTENTION CANADIAN HAMS!
Date: 22 Jul 1995 04:19:09 GMT
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I will be driving from Seattle to Pemberton, BC (Whistler area) in early
August.  Anyone have a current two meter repeater listing for the area?  Your
help woudl be appreciated.

Dave
AH6OB
Honolulu, Hawaii
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Mack)
Subject: azproj package is now at nic.funet.fi/pub/ham/antenna
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Just got e-mail from the sysop, Markku, OH2BQZ. Joe NA3T (and Michael NV3Z
on the side)





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From: [e-mail] (John Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Business band plan in 70cm??
Date: 21 Jul 1995 17:43:28 GMT
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:    etc, etc...

: Is the 448mhz region shared with business allocation?

: Thanks,
: Charles



  'Lo Charles.

 Common to hear, on my IC 3200, two or more public service frequencies
comming thru at 448.450  and 448.800. Just inter-mod (or forced feed-
thru on the IF freq).  It only happens in certain areas of town.
  I also hear some commercial stuff once in a while when in Denver area.
  Juat the price we pay for less than optimium radios.

John, N0KIC




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Business band plan in 70cm??
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Charles H. Hemstreet IV) writes:
>I was listening for repeaters last night with my scanner and happened
>across some freq's in the 448mhz region that sounded like business
>traffic, i.e.
>
>      "I'll get that load of cement over to the yard right away"
>   "10-4, can you pick up some beer on the way back"
>      "Base to five. . ."
>   "Five here"
>      "Your wife called and asked you to call her back"
>
>   etc, etc...
>
>Is the 448mhz region shared with business allocation?

Not in the US, but scanners are notorious for picking up images.
Likely you were receiving an image frequency from the 450-472 MHz
business band. Try looking 21.4 MHz above the indicated frequency.
That's where the source of the image will be found.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Musick/N0QBF)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Business band plan in 70cm??
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 13:47:09 -0500
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> I was listening for repeaters last night with my scanner and happened
> across some freq's in the 448mhz region that sounded like business
> traffic,

Charles -

There is no business use of 70cm which would fit what you're describing.
It's not like it can't happen (just ask some hams in Dallas), but from the
variety of the traffic it's sounding like we're dealing with a repeater
output. No business repeater operator (in his/her right mind) would set-up
shop in a band where the doing so is unquestionably illegal.

My guess is that the key word here is "scanner". Scanners are notorious
for receiving "images"; i.e., electronic duplications of frequencies
having a mathematical relationship to the frequency you expected to be
hearing.

Add 21.4, 21.5, or 21.6 MHz to the 448 frequency and see if you can hear
it better. Also, if it is a Uniden scanner (Bearcat, Cobra, or Regency
models built after '85 or so), it could conceivably be a frequency in the
158-160 MHz range. From the nature of the traffic you mentioned, it could
even be an 800 MHz trunked system with a nearby repeater.

If you find it again, if you have a 70cm-capable ham rig, try to see if
you hear the same thing on the same frequencies as the scanner. My bet is
that you won't.
  ...mm

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TALX Directory Division         71301,[e-mail]
St. Louis, MO
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Charles H. Hemstreet IV)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Business band plan in 70cm??
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 22:24:53 -0700
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I appreciate all the feedback that I received from everyone that responded
in posting and email.  The problem is definitly related to the IF of the
scanner.  It is just an image.  Double checking it with another scanner
and my HT proved that there was not a repeater output on that frequency.

Sure do appreciate again all the feedback.

I'll go back to looking for my repeater and hit the "Pass" button!  :-)
Next time I will double check with a couple of other sources before I get
all excited.

Best Regards,
Charles


In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Charles H. Hemstreet IV) wrote:

> I was listening for repeaters last night with my scanner and happened
> across some freq's in the 448mhz region that sounded like business
> traffic, i.e.
>
>       "I'll get that load of cement over to the yard right away"
>    "10-4, can you pick up some beer on the way back"
>       "Base to five. . ."
>    "Five here"
>       "Your wife called and asked you to call her back"
>
>    etc, etc...
>
> Is the 448mhz region shared with business allocation?
>
> Thanks,
> Charles
>
> p.s. I did check my repeater directory and the bandplan from ARRL.ORG, but
> I didn't see anything in there about this.
>
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>          ___        Charles H. Hemstreet IV    phone: [phone]
>         /  /        Software Lab               fax:   [phone]
> HEWLETT/hp/PACKARD  18110 SE 34th Street  email: [e-mail]
>       /__/          Vancouver, WA  98607
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

--
---------------------------------------------------------------------
         ___        Charles H. Hemstreet IV    phone: [phone]
        /  /        Software Lab               fax:   [phone]
HEWLETT/hp/PACKARD  18110 SE 34th Street  email: [e-mail]
      /__/          Vancouver, WA  98607

---------------------------------------------------------------------


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John MacDonald)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Camry & Kenwood 231 noise
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 13:20:24 GMT
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A friend of mine has a noise problem with his Toyota Camry and his 2
meter Kenwood 231. It sounds like alternator whine but is only there
on receive. Toyota installed a new alternator under warranty but that
made no difference at all. Various chokes have been tried but they all
had no effect. He tried a magnet mount antenna on the trunk instead of
his normal permanent roof mount 1/4 wave. Still no difference. An
intermod filter was tried that had been very effective with computer
noise on a Chrysler but that made no difference at all. Apparently
disconnecting the antenna gets rid of it so it must be comming in the
power lead. Any ideas please?



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:35:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 12:42:12 GMT
Lines: 22

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>In article <3um23p$[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] "Curtis Wheeler" writes:
>
> > An ex-felon should not be denied an amateur license just because he is an
> > ex-felon.
>
>Short of a Presidential pardon, just how does a felon get to become the
>ex-felon of this thread?

A Presidential pardon, or a Congressional private bill, are only needed
for *Federal* felonies. For State felonies, the appropriate level for
restoration of rights is the governor's office. This is usually delegated
to a lower level of the administration, often the Pardons and Parole
Board.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Klein)
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Subject: Re: CCR restrictions (was Re: Local Antenna Restrictions)
Date: 22 Jul 1995 14:03:14 GMT
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In <3uba16$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (CRONIN) writes:

>
>In article <3u5u5r$[e-mail]>,
>Roger J. Buffington <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>Make sure that your place doesn't have any CC&Rs or deed restrictions.
>>Those are even tougher to fight than ordinances.  PRB-1 doesn't apply at
>>all.
>
>Would it be possible to place a deed restriction restriction on your
>house to prevent future owners from placing any antenna restrictions
>on it?  After all, if you can make all future owners agree not to put
>up antennas it you should also be able to make all future owners
>agree not to place antenna restrictions on the house.
>
>Could you also add a convenant directing future owners not to enforce
>existing antenna restrictions?  Seems a little more shakey, but probably
>worth a try.  Or maybe direct future owners not to hassle antenna-owning
>neighbors.
>
>Just think of the pro-ham restrictions you could add to your deed.  How
>many houses have you owned in the last few years?  Has anybody published
>a do-it-yourself guide to writing CCR's?  Or do you need a lawyer?
>
>73...Jim  N2VNO
>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Roger J. Buffington
>>[e-mail]
>>AB6WR
>

I am not an attorney, but I do have some experience with covenants due to
living in a rural subdivision with unusually tight covenants - except for
antennas, fortunately.

The concept of putting restrictions on your own property is an interesting one.
However, covenants normally apply to multiple properties in a subdivsion or
other entity and require approval by the applicable parties to modify them.

It would seem to me that it would be extremely difficult to just put a
restriction on your own individual lot without going through some form of
review/approval process by those others who may be affected by that
restriction.


Sounds like a good question set for an experienced real estate attorney.
--
Ron Klein - W0OSK
-----------------
[e-mail]





From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Hubanks)
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Subject: Re: CCR restrictions (was Re: Local Antenna Restrictions)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 18:53:44 GMT
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In Article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff Stillinger)
wrote:
>I have lived in Mission Viejo, CA, an area with really tight restrictions.  I
>have also been a ham for about 10 years.  I found that the restrictions on
>ham radio where not that restrictive if I was creative.  I worked a ton of
>DX on a ground mounted vertical.  It could not be seen from the street but
>the two story house next to me could see it from upstairs.  I worked out a
>deal, and it stayed.  CC&R's are enforced by your neighbors, so it is a good
>idea to get along with them.  They may not try to "get" you on a antenna
>that is well hidden.  They may go after more enforcable items, such as your
>grass, or color of house, or where you park your car.
>
>I am not really the nices guy to talk to about this issue.  I am pro CC&R's
>and I feel every neighborhood should have them.  I don't like the idea of my
>neighbors effecting my property value and safty of my neighborhood.  Most

Interesting point on property values.  It seems this is the key to the
issue.  Well I have one example.  A local ham listed his house in a number
of ham publications.  With in two weeks of the ad coming out he sold the
house for the asking price which was $3K above the normal asking price.
Since your property value is tied to the comps for property around you this
ment there was a net increase in property value due to the existence of a
tower and antenna. I realize this is only one case but a may indicate that a
tower and antenna have either a null or plus affect on property value.

>areas that have them are to expensive for the rif raf to move in.  However
>one dose see lazy home owners, hams being the worse.  Hams talk on the radio
>and forget to mow the lawn.  Seen it many times.
> .... etc.


Bruce Hubanks
Texas Instruments
voice: 214-575-4058
fax: [phone]
email: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Eugene Kang)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Changing tx/rx on a Tel-Com 150A IMTS phone?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 95 16:20:38 GMT
Organization: My_Organisation
Lines: 8

Does anyone know how I can change the tx/rx freq on this old IMTS
briefcase phone? Is it just changing a crystal?

thanks

Eugene Kang
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Me)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Charge rate for NiCd?
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 95 22:32:42 GMT
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Hi everybody.  My charger died. (puts 5 VAC on top of 8 VDC)
I know I can fix this with a diode but I want to build my own from
scrach. What I need to know is the charging current I need to
supply to the battery.  Is there a formula or something?

Also.....
I know I can limit current with a resistor. Question is, lets say I need
65 mA into my battery to charge. Do I calculate the resistance into
a dead short ( no battery, just a short where the batt would be )
so that current would never go beond that limit or can I use some sort
or regulator that always puts 65 mA into the load (battery) no matter
what the state it is in.

BTW, the batterys I have now are 7.2 V @ 600 mAh.  The reason
I want to build my own charger is that I want to be able to charge
several diffrent size batterys from 1 charger. (and it is cheaper to
build than to buy a charger for every diffrent type of battery I have)

Thanks if you can help!

Chris...
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
N8TBW@KB8GVW



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Hank Riley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Colorado Repeater/ATV Balloon Launch
Date: 21 Jul 1995 20:39:33 GMT
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               CENTRAL COLORADO REPEATER/ATV BALLOON LAUNCH

The Central States VHF Society is having a meeting in Colorado Springs
on the weekend of July 29-30, 1995.  In conjunction with this event,
EOSS (Edge of Space Sciences) will launch a demonstration flight from
the Navsys Corp. in Monument, CO.


       Region:            Central Colorado

       Date/Time:         July 30 / 9:00 AM MDT, 15:00 UTC

       Location:          Monument, Colorado (20 miles north of
                          Colorado Springs)
       Site Coordinates:  39.09 North Lat.
                          104.87 West Long.
       ATV:               426.25 MHz AM (1 watt output) NTSC color
                          video
       VHF/UHF Repeater:  446.000 MHz FM Input
                          147.555 MHz FM Output
                          (note change as of 7/16/95)
       Beacons:           a) 147.555 MHz carrier from repeater always
                             on; (periodic Morse ID audio on FM)
                          b) 144.34 MHz Morse ID audio on FM
                             (periodic; frequency shared with packet
                             telemetry)
       Telemetry:         144.340 MHz FM (1 Watt output) - AX.25, 1200
                          baud mostly plain english text; includes APRS
                          position data string.
       Foxhunters:        Pikes Peak FM Association, 448.450 MHz
                          (tentative)


The primary payload will be the Rocky Mountain Radio League's
crossband repeater.  In addition, tests will be conducted on the GPS
system's software.  A new cutdown device will also be evaluated this
flight.  It utilizes a pager receiver, retuned for 2 meters,
interfaced with a "basic stamp" microcontroller for decoding DTMF
tones.

This balloon will ascend to approximately 95,000 feet where the
flight will be terminated by sending a cutdown command to the
payload.  The duration of the flight should be around 2 hours with
the balloon reaching its maximum altitude at approximately 1 hour 30
minutes elapsed time.

Reception of both the 2 meter and ATV signals is possible to 400 miles
out and beyond when the balloon gains altitude.  All interested
amateurs in Colorado and bordering states with equipment as simple as
a 2 meter HT are encouraged to listen in for the steady output of the
cross-band repeater on 2 meters with ID, and the ID from the packet
system at 144.34 Mhz.

Automatic Position Reporting System (APRS):

EOSS Shuttle controllers now beacon on the packet telemetry frequency
with an APRS position string.  If you are running APRS you should be
able to graphically track the progress of the flight on the
"CODENVER.MAP" map file.

The Shuttle is not a TNC-equipped packet station.  In order to
minimize possible interference with hams in their areas, all APRS
users tracking the flight should turn off their APRS position beacons
(more packet/APRS info at EOSS web site). Thanks!

For additional launch data and general EOSS information:
http://www.usa.net/~rickvg/eoss.htm
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:08 1995
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Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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GC>It may be obvious, but it's also not true. However, I agree that
GC>has little to do with DXCC statistics. That has much more to do
GC>with operator mode preference. Only a relative few amateurs have
GC>as yet exploited the techniques that far surpass OOK Morse for
GC>getting through when all else fails. Much of that lack of embrace
GC>of superior technique can be traced to the near universal false
GC>belief among amateurs that OOK Morse gets through when nothing
GC>else will.

Gary, I think it is not altogether false... it IS sometimes true!
Did you read the latest QST? Guess what mode the two amateurs
used to "break the sound barrier" at SHF Multi GHz frequencies for
the first ever QSO at the ultra ultra high end of things?
Good old MORSE CW! On the forefront AGAIN!
Who need digital error checking chirp-chirp modes when CW does it
best... he he!
---
 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Klingon Adaptaion of Earth Sport:  Full-contact golf.



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for DXCC?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <3um527$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Peter A. Klein) writes:
>In article <3ul06n$[e-mail]>,
>Yin Lung Shih <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>It has been stated by pro-CWers that "code gets through when
>>all else fails".  This is apparently intended to mean (1) that
>>you can send code with almost nothing in the way of equipment,
>>and (2) that code is perceivable and understandable when other
>>transmission modes are lost in QRM/QRN.
>
>>Now, with regard to
>>the second meaning, in the latest DXCC honor roll listings in
>>QST, I noticed that the longest listings are for mixed mode.
>>However, the phone-only listings run about 18 columns and the
>>CW-only listings run about 6 columns.  The peak country count
>>appears about the same, that is 320-330 between mixed, phone,
>>and CW.
>
>The "Honor Roll" is mostly people with amplifiers, towers, and beams. To
>those folks, the advantages of CW matter much less.  Also, many DXers and
>contesters prefer phone because the QSOs/minute rate is higher.

I think you'll get some argument about this. While it's generally
true that the top serious Dxers have serious stations, it's far enough
from being universally true for DXCC that it probably doesn't answer
the question. I also expect that serious CW operators will contest
your claim of phone having a higher QSOs/minute rate. The exchange
has very little actual information content, and takes little time
with either phone or CW. In contest sprints, such as Field Day (ok,
it's an *emergency preparedness exercise*), the CW stations often
have a higher per hour contact rate than the phone stations (which
may only represent a different degree of fanaticism). Again,
the exchange has little informational content. It's only when you
have substantial content to exchange that the mode's 'Q' factor
really matters.

>I once read that the apparent difference between CW and phone is a couple
>of S-units.  That is, under equal conditions, a skilled operator will be
>able to copy a CW signal about 2 S-units lower than the level at which a
>phone signal becomes unusable.  Also, I've read in several DXers books and
>articles that the competitive difference between a high and medium
>power/antenna gain station is less on CW than phone.
[snip]
>All this makes perfect sense.  On SSB, your power is spread over ~2.1
>kHz in a complex analog waveform.  On CW, it's all concentrated in a
>single frequency wave that is either on or off.  CW is just a human-
>readable digital mode with a low data rate.

For typical amateur stations, the advantage of CW over SSB is only
about 6 dB, IE one S-unit. This assumes a typical 500 Hz CW filter.
For exceptional operators with good wetware signal processing, that
can be increased to 12 dB, or even 18 dB under exceptional circumstances.
Note that phone operators also use a form of wetware signal processing,
called the cocktail party effect, in order to increase their raw
performance. That, coupled with the redundancy of speech, can lower
the margin between phone and CW back down towards 6 dB. A lot of other
factors are at play here than just raw SNR.

More important than the raw noise performance, however, is the ability
to discriminate between the desired signal and a strong undesired signal
on a nearby frequency. Here the narrow filtering, or the single pitch
discrimination that some people have, can make a difference out of
proportion to raw SNR figures. Not everyone has good pitch discrimination,
however, so this advantage is not universal. And phone has its counterpart
in the cocktail party effect.

Note: as usual, I'll remark that coherent digital modulations can
do much better than OOK Morse, on the order of 32 dB better with
the right equipment and codings.

But back to the original question. I think the disparity in numbers
of phone vs CW DXCC awards can be explained by looking at the ARRL's
mode survey. They found that 78% of all amateurs used phone while only
38% said they *ever* used CW. The number who said they used CW *only*
was not reported. (This survey was made before the code test free Tech
license became available and represents the operating preferences of
licensees who had passed a Morse speed test.) So obviously with the
phone operators being vastly in the majority, it's not unexpected that
they will be in the majority on the DXCC lists. After all, it doesn't
take weak signal techniques to work 100 countries on HF.

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:12 1995
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From: Peter Lemken <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: CW an advantage for DXCC?
Date: 22 Jul 1995 10:18:11 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>In article <3ulf4r$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] () writes:
>>Well,
>>
>>First the fact that CW gets through when all else fails,
>>is so obvious, that you should not question it on the grounds
>>of the DXCC statistics.
>
>It may be obvious, but it's also not true. However, I agree that
>has little to do with DXCC statistics. That has much more to do
>with operator mode preference. Only a relative few amateurs have
>as yet exploited the techniques that far surpass OOK Morse for
>getting through when all else fails. Much of that lack of embrace
>of superior technique can be traced to the near universal false
>belief among amateurs that OOK Morse gets through when nothing
>else will.
>
>Gary
>--

Well, by now I would definitely call you stupid. You have never been into a
pile-up, I gather from your statements. You have never had the chance to
prove in reality that your so beloved digital modes are so superior. So why
do you ramble on endlessly about theoretical possibilities.

PROVE what you want to tell us. Prove a 200 QSOs per hour rate with a
digital mode. Show us the QSL-cards, confirming your digital contacts with
3Y0PI, 9M0S, 5A0A and other real dx and then we can start a discussion. But
arguing about dx without knowing what dx is about in reality is stupidity,
stupidity, stupidity. Think about it.

I will be active from San Andres, HK0, next week. I promise, you will not
be able to establish a contact with me other than CW. You can try to
imitate CW with a computer and nevertheless you will not have a QSO. I
would not ignore your callsign, but you would be lost in the pile up,
because it takes a little more than just switching a computer on to work a
dx-station. It takes skill, experience and dedication. In one word, one
needs to be superior (not in terms of big amps and antennas) and we have
had that term in a different context before, Gary, didn't we?


Peter
KE4UNQ




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:13 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: CW an advantage for DXCC?
Date: 22 Jul 1995 12:25:21 GMT
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In <3uqj93$[e-mail]>, Peter Lemken <[e-mail]> writes:
>Well, by now I would definitely call you stupid. You have never been into a
>pile-up, I gather from your statements. You have never had the chance to
>prove in reality that your so beloved digital modes are so superior. So why
>do you ramble on endlessly about theoretical possibilities.

demonstrations of such communications would be in the military in wartime
conditions. they're the guys with all the new toys.

>PROVE what you want to tell us. Prove a 200 QSOs per hour rate with a
>digital mode. Show us the QSL-cards, confirming your digital contacts with
>3Y0PI, 9M0S, 5A0A and other real dx and then we can start a discussion. But
>arguing about dx without knowing what dx is about in reality is stupidity,
>stupidity, stupidity. Think about it.

you going to lug the gear to those places? we're just getting to the point where
there's the density of operators and the technical developments to where
taking along a computer isn't a penalty to the expedition (before, it would
have been "how much fuel do you want to leave behind for the Model 28..")

>I will be active from San Andres, HK0, next week. I promise, you will not
>be able to establish a contact with me other than CW. You can try to
>imitate CW with a computer and nevertheless you will not have a QSO. I

my computers send code pretty well. how are you going to know if i'm
a computer or a real operator (tm)? at your end we're just going to "beep".

>would not ignore your callsign, but you would be lost in the pile up,
>because it takes a little more than just switching a computer on to work a
>dx-station.

no, that's about it..that's what the various radio companies endeavor to do.
If i was at some place like KHT (i don't even know if i could run CW there,
probably...), i would have the antennas available to probably just bust the
pileup on the first call. (that's what i miss in my current situation, no
access to a killer dx station..such fun to just make 1 call, work 'em, and add
another card to the outbound stack....). and if i didn't get you on the first
couple of calls, i could turn the amplifier on...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
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Subject: Re: CW an advantage for DXCC?
Date: 23 Jul 1995 23:52:23 GMT
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Only a relative few amateurs have
: as yet exploited the techniques that far surpass OOK Morse for
: getting through when all else fails. Much of that lack of embrace
: of superior technique can be traced to the near universal false
: belief among amateurs that OOK Morse gets through when nothing
: else will.

No.  It has to do more with 1) personal mode preference (pleasure),
2) comfort (what is known is preferred), 3) availability (many hams do
not have...or choose not to expend time/money on new technologies).
Virtually no one (IMO) chooses not to use "advanced modes" because
they believe CW is a superior performer under adverse conditions.
They choose CW over the other modes available to them (usually SSB)
_partially_ because of CW's superiority over _them_ (it).

Some of these perceived "reasons" for CW's popularity (like "universal
false beliefs" and "fear of loosing one's mode" are really quite funny.

Those who actually operate (or even prefer) CW do so because they
enjoy it.  Those who regulate Amateur Radio believe CW is important
enough to require its knowledge.  And many of those who have
considerable experience in Amateur Radio and with CW (Morse) happen to
agree with them.

It's all really quite simple.  They don't agree with you, Gary.  But
that doesn't mean they're stupid, paranoid, misguided or conniving.
Trying to demean someone's position by attributing it to unfounded
motives or beliefs may be good rhetoric, but it's certainly not going
to sway people who have an understanding of the topic.

Greg



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for DXCC?
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In article <3uqj93$[e-mail]> Peter Lemken <[e-mail]> writes:
>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>>In article <3ulf4r$[e-mail]>
>[e-mail] () writes:
>>>Well,
>>>
>>>First the fact that CW gets through when all else fails,
>>>is so obvious, that you should not question it on the grounds
>>>of the DXCC statistics.
>>
>>It may be obvious, but it's also not true. However, I agree that
>>has little to do with DXCC statistics. That has much more to do
>>with operator mode preference. Only a relative few amateurs have
>>as yet exploited the techniques that far surpass OOK Morse for
>>getting through when all else fails. Much of that lack of embrace
>>of superior technique can be traced to the near universal false
>>belief among amateurs that OOK Morse gets through when nothing
>>else will.
>>
>>Gary
>>--

>Well, by now I would definitely call you stupid.

Ah, I knew I could count on you to volunteer to be poster boy for
the type of attitudes I alluded to above.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn C. Masters)
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Subject: Re: CW an advantage for DXCC?
Date: 24 Jul 1995 13:01:51 GMT
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Peter Lemken ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
: >It may be obvious, but it's also not true. However, I agree that
: >has little to do with DXCC statistics. That has much more to do
: >with operator mode preference. Only a relative few amateurs have
: >as yet exploited the techniques that far surpass OOK Morse for
: >getting through when all else fails. Much of that lack of embrace
: >of superior technique can be traced to the near universal false
: >belief among amateurs that OOK Morse gets through when nothing
: >else will.
: >
:
: Well, by now I would definitely call you stupid. You have never been into a
: pile-up, I gather from your statements. You have never had the chance to
: prove in reality that your so beloved digital modes are so superior. So why
: do you ramble on endlessly about theoretical possibilities.
:
: PROVE what you want to tell us. Prove a 200 QSOs per hour rate with a
: digital mode. Show us the QSL-cards, confirming your digital contacts with
: 3Y0PI, 9M0S, 5A0A and other real dx and then we can start a discussion. But
: arguing about dx without knowing what dx is about in reality is stupidity,
: stupidity, stupidity. Think about it.

        The main reason that digital modes have not had a chance to show their
metal is that the majority of DX'ers abhoar them and just don't like to use
it.  Digital modes don't work in a pileup, since they don't get into them in
the first place.  Take a look at some of the shared channel satellite work
being done for the LEOs, it'll work for HF digital, and should work really
well.

:
: I will be active from San Andres, HK0, next week. I promise, you will not
: be able to establish a contact with me other than CW. You can try to
: imitate CW with a computer and nevertheless you will not have a QSO. I
: would not ignore your callsign, but you would be lost in the pile up,
: because it takes a little more than just switching a computer on to work a
: dx-station. It takes skill, experience and dedication. In one word, one
: needs to be superior (not in terms of big amps and antennas) and we have
: had that term in a different context before, Gary, didn't we?
:

        This symbolizes the crux of this arguement.  Getting QSOs is a
personal gratification activity.  A digital mode would take a lot of the
fun these people have doing it.  What they miss though is that CW is not
the best mode for communications in general, and many of us don't like
doing it.  Kinda like a bicycler and a driver.  I do not enjoy bicycle riding,
but many do, and find it rewarding.  So I'll drive and they'll ride.

        73,
                Shawn
                KE4GHS



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for DXCC?
Date: 24 Jul 1995 16:27:06 GMT
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>It may be obvious, but it's also not true.

Or,

as you surely wanted to say, some people wish it was not true.
However, what is the better mode? Don't tell me it is CCW, this one
turned out to be disappointing in practice.

As to Clover, it may be fine for transferring longer texts,
but for DX? By the time two computers agree on the baud rate
and other protocoll details, a CW operator has made a few contacts.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a CW fan at all, but have to use
this mode frequently, because others fail.

Moritz DL5UH



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (V31RY)
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Subject: Re: CW REQUIREMENTS
Date: 22 Jul 1995 19:19:10 -0400
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  Never mind the cw requirements, the THEORY tests in most European
countries would scare off 90% of American hams!!


Glenn   AE0Q/V31RY   ex: WA0VPK, ZB2WZ, SV0WY



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (michael silva)
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In <3us11e$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (V31RY) writes:
>
>  Never mind the cw requirements, the THEORY tests in most European
>countries would scare off 90% of American hams!!
>
This intrigues me.  Can you give some examples of what kinds of
questions are asked at entry-, mid- and advanced levels?

Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] ("John Newgas")
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[e-mail] (michael silva) writes
 Re: CW REQUIREMENTS
> This intrigues me.  Can you give some examples of what kinds of
> questions are asked at entry-, mid- and advanced levels?

The same Technical exam ( two written multiple choice exams ) are used
for all Amateur licenses here ( except for Novice licenses which are very
new )

Bothj papers must be passed ... There is no fixed question pool or sample
papers issued only the syllabus.  The exam can only be taken twice a year
on set dates nationally.

Typical questions ( ignoring local licensing regs ):-
The Velocity factor of a co-axial cable with a solid polythene dielectric
is a) 0.66 b) 0.1 c) 0.8 d) 1.0

Colpitts, Hartley, Vackar, Clapp-Gouriet are all types of
a) power supply , b) amplifier, c) oscillator d) modulator

A herring bnone pattern is caused on a TV picture, this is likely to be
caused by
a) poor commutaion in an electric vacuum cleaner
b) a nearby radio transmitter
c) a facsimile receiver
d) a model train set

There are lots of circuit diagram recognitoon  and mini-circuits where
you have to work out the impedance/capacitance etc.

eg recognise a filter from diag as band-stop filter/notch filter/braid
breaker adn high pass/low pass filter.


John N.


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[e-mail] (michael silva) wrote:
>In <3us11e$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (V31RY) writes:
>>
>>  Never mind the cw requirements, the THEORY tests in most European
>>countries would scare off 90% of American hams!!
>>
>This intrigues me.  Can you give some examples of what kinds of
>questions are asked at entry-, mid- and advanced levels?
>
>Mike, KK6GM

I can only speak for Germany and Austria: In Germany you have to take a
written test in three categories: operation procedures, legal regulations
and electronics/RF- and communications technics. All questions have to be
answered in detail, not with multiple choice.

For example you have to do all calculations in writing or draw circuits
like transistor or valve amplifiers, VCOs, VFOs, explain the basics of
digital communications and calculate the various values of a given circuit.
In Germany the theorical test is the same for all license classes, except
that for the highest class you have to answer 75% of the question of each
of the three sections correctly. You cannot show a deficite of
understanding in technics and make the difference up by a better knowledge
of operating procedure.

In comparison to the USA license the German standards have to be considered
as being more difficult, especially true, when you consider the possibility
of answering a multiple choice question correctly, even if you are not
quite sure.

In Austria they require oral testing in addition to the written test. They
tend to ask some question on subjects covered in the written test and try
to find out, if you really understood what you wrote or just memorized
everything.

Peter Lemken
DF5JT/KE4UNQ




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:26 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW REQUIREMENTS
Date: 24 Jul 1995 03:26:58 GMT
Organization: Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
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In <3utk0o$[e-mail]>, Peter Lemken <[e-mail]> writes:
>For example you have to do all calculations in writing or draw circuits
>like transistor or valve amplifiers, VCOs, VFOs, explain the basics of
>digital communications and calculate the various values of a given circuit.

so just exactly how often are the exams and how many are processed?
could you do 20 people in 3 hours start to stop with just 3 workers?

>In Germany the theorical test is the same for all license classes, except
>that for the highest class you have to answer 75% of the question of each
>of the three sections correctly. You cannot show a deficite of
>understanding in technics and make the difference up by a better knowledge
>of operating procedure.

now, this is interesting...i don't know how it could be implemented easily
here stateside. not a bad plan.

>In Austria they require oral testing in addition to the written test. They
>tend to ask some question on subjects covered in the written test and try
>to find out, if you really understood what you wrote or just memorized
>everything.

however, i don't know if such a test would be able to be run effectively
and without the potential for abuse here. Case in point would be the various
tests used to exclude "undesireable people" from voting here in the US in
days gone by.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Carvalho)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Did you have BAD days when learning code ?
Date: 21 Jul 1995 17:56:17 GMT
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BUDDY10 ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Is it just me or did(does)anyone else out there have bad days when/while
: they were/are first learning code ?  I had a good day at work.  Came home
: ready to practice and learn the final 3 letters. I could not do ANYTHING
: right.  Mixing up my c's & y's.  Thinking h's were 5's.    Oh well...
: P.S. Tell me your CW sob stories to help cheer me up !

Makes two of us. I was using the program 'mta'. It was sending the 'w'
as ".-." . Bad! Now I have to search for another pc prog which can
correctly pronounce the dit and dah sound.
--
--joe
My opinions are mine...All mine.
[e-mail]
Inter-National Research Institute 10101 Old Grove Rd. Sandy Ehgo, CA. 92131
For long you live and high you fly, And smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry
And all you touch and all you see, Is all your life will ever be...PF.DSotM




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Did you have BAD days when learning code ?
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 95 21:34:07 GMT
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In article <3uopo1$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Joe Carvalho) wrote:
>Makes two of us. I was using the program 'mta'. It was sending the 'w'
>as ".-." . Bad! Now I have to search for another pc prog which can
>correctly pronounce the dit and dah sound.

You might want to try SuperMorse - it's a great program with many features.
In addition to selecting random characters and mock QSO's, it will output
to either a PC speaker or SoundBlaster.

SuperMorse is available free on the 'Net.  The most recent version that I
have downloaded is a self-extracting file called SM415.EXE.

73,

Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Schreibmaier)
Subject: Re: Did you have BAD days when learning code ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: QRM Central, Kresgeville, PA
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From article <3up6vq$[e-mail]>, by [e-mail] (WB3U):
> In article <3uopo1$[e-mail]>,
>    [e-mail] (Joe Carvalho) wrote:
>>Makes two of us. I was using the program 'mta'. It was sending the 'w'
>>as ".-." . Bad! Now I have to search for another pc prog which can
>>correctly pronounce the dit and dah sound.
>
> SuperMorse is available free on the 'Net.  The most recent version that I
> have downloaded is a self-extracting file called SM415.EXE.

But, if you decide to keep and use it, you should pay the developer
of the software.  It is shareware, after all.

73,
Bob K2PH

--
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| (a.k.a. "The QRPer")  | ICBM:     40o55'N 75o30'W        |
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+----------------------------------------------------------+


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clinton Peebles)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Did you have BAD days when learning code ?
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 12:19:00 GMT
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B>Is it just me or did(does)anyone else out there have bad days when/while
B>they were/are first learning code ?  I had a good day at work.  Came home
B>ready to practice and learn the final 3 letters. I could not do ANYTHING
B>right.  Mixing up my c's & y's.  Thinking h's were 5's.    Oh well...

That happens.  When I was learning code, a whole 8 months ago, there
were days when I couldn't copy a thing.  I hated the stuff.  I would
leave it alone for a day or two, not even think about it, then come back
and copy 15-20wpm.  Not for very long mind you, but long enough...  When
you quit for a couple days though, you have to watch out...  It becomes
really easy to say "aw... I'll do it tomorrow"

Good Luck!!!
     ╔══════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗
     ║    Clinton Peebles  VE7-KNL                          ║
     ║    SYSOP - Salmon Siding Saloon BBS - 604-357-9942   ║
     ║    Internet: [e-mail]        ║
     ║    Packet Radio: VE7KNL@VE7CW.#SEBC.BC.CAN.NOAM      ║
     ╚══════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝
---
 ■ QMPro 1.53 ■ Silly wabbit, QWKs are for kids.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Did you have BAD days when learning code ?
Date: 23 Jul 1995 13:43:44 GMT
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WB3U ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3uopo1$[e-mail]>,
:    [e-mail] (Joe Carvalho) wrote:
: >Makes two of us. I was using the program 'mta'. It was sending the 'w'
: >as ".-." . Bad! Now I have to search for another pc prog which can
: >correctly pronounce the dit and dah sound.

: You might want to try SuperMorse - it's a great program with many features.
: In addition to selecting random characters and mock QSO's, it will output
: to either a PC speaker or SoundBlaster.

: SuperMorse is available free on the 'Net.  The most recent version that I
: have downloaded is a self-extracting file called SM415.EXE.

: 73,

: Jack  WB3U



  I'll suggest also using the Gordon West tapes available at Radio shack.
Got them yesterday and find them very helpful so far. He's got an easy
going style and has you take breaks now and then (which I think is a VERY
good idea).

Tom



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Did you have BAD days when learning code?
Date: 23 Jul 1995 18:42:50 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:

(gain-without-pain stuff deleted)

: To bring this back around to communications, we now have machines that
: can offer us communications gain without the pain of manual methods.
: We should take a page from the physical conditioning field and stop
: using methods that generate pain, and the damage that triggers that
: pain.

I hesitate even commenting upon this silly stuff, except it might be
fun...

Learning the code is hardly "painful", and certainly not analogous to
the kind of "no-pain-no-gain" training professional atheletes have
gone through.  And relying on "machines that offer communications gain
without the pain of manual methods" is certainly a far cry from "low
impact aerobics".  Actually, they're a bit more like a big fluffy
couch positioned in front of a big screen TV.  (If you don't use it,
you loose it).  You're not advocating reasonable exercise...you're
arguing for a generation of modem-potatoes...or is that potatos?...

And don't forget repeditive motion disorders tied to keyboard
overuse...talk about pain...

Giving this thread the serious attention it deserves (:-),

Greg
WB0RTK



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Molina)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Email not protected
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 05:41:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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GC>The question boils down to whether posting on usenet is publishing
GC>as defined under law, or is it equivalent to a group of loungers
GC>hanging out on a street corner exchanging tales. I contend it is
GC>the latter. If I pass around a letter I received from someone to
GC>a group of people on a street corner, I haven't published the letter
GC>under the normal meaning of publishing. I've merely showed my copy
GC>to a group of associates (however many), which is allowed. Rules
GC>devised for ink on paper don't fit well with electronic messaging.

Actually, IMHO, the questions boils down to what is good taste.  A
message sent in private is intended to be private and unless there are
extenuating circumstances it SHOULD remain private.  What are we, a
bunch of wanna be lawyers here?  What happened to manners?  This
"controversy" has degenerated to the point where I've almost forgotten
what the original question was (and it's irrelevant anyway to where this
is going).

---
* CmpQwk #UNREG* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:34 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <cwheeler>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Form 610 (Question)
Date: 22 Jul 1995 06:47:30 GMT
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[e-mail] (Rob Tillotson) wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John Woods) writes:
>>[e-mail] writes:
[snipped stuff about white paper,ect]
>
>Not any more, I would think.  A copy of the 610 is available by
>fax-back from the form ordering center at 800-418-3676, and the only
>restriction I could find was a notation in the general instructions
>that if your fax uses thermal paper, you should copy the forms onto
>plain paper before submitting them.  I presume this also means that
>double-sided printing is no longer necessary, else you couldn't use
>them straight off the fax machine.
>
>The only other observation I would like to make is that the 610 on the
>fax-back service was really crappy-looking.  It was obviously a scan,
>kind of fuzzy, and the original wasn't lined up right.  If they'll
>accept that, my guess is that they'll accept just about anything.  The
>other forms they have revised recently show a general trend toward
>white paper and simple laser-printing - the form 600 I got in the mail
>was no better than the one that came off the fax, for instance.

This seems to work fine.  Myself and three other people at work have all
updated our mailing addresses with copies I made from the document I
received by fax.  I just ran it through the copier (not even double
sided - used two sheets), filled it out and sent it in.  A week later I
was current on a couple of servers

The fax quality I observed was pretty good once I gave up on my Winfax
software and used the plain paper laser fax machine at the office.  BTW I
am not knocking Winfax - it just works best when you receive docs in fine
mode as opposed to normal.

Too bad you still have to use snailmail to send the completed form back
to G-burg.

--
Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:36 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FCC Form Request Service (Index) - ham.txt [01/01]
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 95 02:46:00 GMT
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For Information:
BEGIN -- Cut Here -- cut here
Curtis Wheeler ([e-mail]) posted a note about how to
get FCC forms from the FCC via FAX.  I tried this and it
worked nicely using Windows Quick-Link 2 Fax software on a
Hayes compatible modem on my 486 computer.

Phone number for the FCC Fax Retrieval System is
1-202-418-0177  24hr service.

Not knowing what any document numbers are I requested an
index expecting to get maybe a single page.  Not.  The index
is 4 pages long.  Anyone not wanting to put the extra 6 to 10
minutes on their long distance phone bill can Email me at:

[e-mail]

and I will be happy to get you the form number so you don't
have to request the index.

There are roughly 32 documents available including forms,
pamphlets, and instructions.  All range from 2 to 36 pages worth
of faxed documents.

As time permits I think that I will copy the index to disk so
that I can send the whole index via E-Mail when and if needed.
However, it is not available at this time.

Thanks.
END -- Cut Here -- cut here


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:37 1995
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!dnaco.net!root
From: [e-mail] (johnny miller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FCC Question
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 02:29:40 GMT
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Does any one knwo where I can e-mail the fcc with a question.
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Fred Zimring)
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Subject: FS -- Kantronics UTU-XT and manual
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I have a Kantronics UTU-XT with the manual for sale. I'm asking $40
plus shipping. It's in really good condition...Fred Z. W5HTR


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (GHG3)
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Subject: FS: "The Electronic Experimenter's Handbook" (1963)
Date: 23 Jul 1995 15:06:31 -0400
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For Sale: "The Electronic Experimenter's Handbook" (1963)

"The Electronic Experimenter's Handbook" 1963
By Popular Electronics
Condition: Excellent
Softcover, 168 pages

$5.50 ppd

Please contact me if you are interested in this book, or have any
questions
on it content.

George Gifford
ANCESTRY CONNECTION
36 Alton Avenue
Cumberland, RI  02864

[e-mail] (preferred)
[e-mail] (alternate)

Anyone who may be offended by this sales post, please contact me
and accept my apology.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:40 1995
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From: Jimmy Hall <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FT1000 & Kenwood SM230 Station Monitor
Date: 24 Jul 1995 17:46:55 GMT
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I need some help in hooking up a Yaesu FT1000 to a Kenwood SM230

Station Monitor.  The IF output on the FT1000 is different than

The Sm230 requires and I need to know what mods there might be or

if anyone knows how to accomplist this????

Thanks & 73 de Jimmy KJ5QN



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John S. Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FTP site for SuperMorse?
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Way back in yon olden days when I was first getting
started in ham radio I remember downloading a really
neat program called SuperMorse from CompuServe.  It helped
me get my 20wpm as a matter of fact.  This was a shareware
program.  Does anyone happen to know if there is an ftp
site where this program might be available?

Thanks!

    John  KB8GYS



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From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
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Subject: Re: FTP site for SuperMorse?
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SM415.EXE

oak.oakland.edu /pub/hamradio/arrl/bbs/vec
oak.oakland.edu /pub2/hamradio/arrl/bbs/vec
oak.oakland.edu /pub3/hamradio/arrl/bbs/vec

73,

Jack WB3U


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John W. Novotny)
Subject: Glass Mount Antenna on '89 Probe
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        I have a 1989 Ford Probe that I want to install a Larson KG
series glass mount antenna on.  The Larson directions say "Do not
install on glass with metallic content (passivated glass i.e."solar-coat",
"solar-cool")."  The window where I want to install the antenna says
"Carlite SUN-X AS2".  I talked to the nice folks at Larson and this
was not on their list of good or bad windows.  Does anyone have any
experience installing glass mount antennas on a Probe?

                        John
                        WA6ORO
                        [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:44 1995
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From: Chuck KD9JQ <reichert>
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Subject: Re: ham radio software
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[e-mail]  (Carol T. Lillie) wrote:
>where can i get software for kenwood t/s 940 ibm compatable?
>
>
>lloyd n5hbd   (c/o C Lillie)

--
 So what kind of software?  If you're talking about interfacing then there's
one called kentrol available.  I don't recall the exact file name as it's
archived away at home.


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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:45 1995
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[e-mail]  (Carol T. Lillie) wrote:
>where can i get software for kenwood t/s 940 ibm compatable?
>
>
>lloyd n5hbd   (c/o C Lillie)

--
 So what kind of software?  If you're talking about interfacing then there's
one called kentrol available.  I don't recall the exact file name as it's
archived away at home.


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|   KD9JQ ex KA7IXS,WA8NBD    708-358-3827 Home     |
|    Charles H. Reichert      708-632-6669 Work     |
|      955 Concord Ln.                              |
|  Hoffman Ests., IL. 60195   [e-mail]  |
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:46 1995
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Does anyone know where I can download the demo of LOGic4 logging software?
Please let me know if you do.  Brent AA9OO



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Cira)
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HELLO FELLOW HAMS:and FUTURE HAMS !!!!!!!

        re: HAM BBS dedicated to amateur radio !!!!

There is a DEVOTED AMATEUR RADIO BBS in town ,from your
ARRL/LAX  affiliated club coordinator , JOE CIRA , KB6AXK ...........
Everything and anything about AMATEUR RADIO will be found here,
IF NOT ? Let me know and we will post it and file it !!!!!!!!


        HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE BBS at 1-818-584-1952....
        24 hrs,8-n-1,anyspeed.......
        running 486/66 with 2.1 gig of space !!!
        cd/rom's soon and tnc/modem door soon !!
        qsl route database,clubs,newsletters,bulletins,shareware,utility
        mods,programs,test ques,lists,and more....
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        sample exam tests and answers for all class's..
        ARRL mirror of all there files !
        Using Wildcat v4.01 software..
        easy to log in and no FEE's it's FREE !
        4,773 FILES IN 110 FILE AREA'S..so far !


73's & 88's de kb6axk,joe cira,ARRL/LAX/ACC.
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Smitty)
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Subject: Help from ATV'ers
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 09:53:00 LOCAL
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Hello, I recently purchased a very small CCD camera which can be powered by a
9 volt battery. I would like to install it in either a R/C plane or R/C car
and have it transmit the signal back to a video monitor. Since I have not been
into ATV I have no idea what kind of equipment I need for such a venture. If
any hams out there are into ATV and could assist me with this it would greatly
appreciated..

Thank you,  Smitty
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:52 1995
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Subject: Help re MIZUHO 20mtr HF h
From: [e-mail] (Brian Carling)
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From: [e-mail]

You must not be reading this Newsgroup too often!
I posted this just last week...

RDV>I just bought a Mizuho 20 meter handheld from Ramsey Electronics and need
RDV>help in getting it up and running such as where to buy necessary crystals
RDV>etc.There are people on here who have actually operated them and I would
RDV>like to get in touch with such a person.
RDV>          KR7R

Sources for crystals used in amateur radio:
List by AF4K, Updated May 21, 1995

Antique Radio Classified    508-371-0512   Write for free sample.
P.O. Box 802             Magazine. You'll find almost ANYTHING here
Carlisle, MA 01741       for older radios, obscure parts, tubes etc.


Cal Crystal                   Waiting for more information
Buena Park or Anaheim  (not sure which)
California
                              They will MAKE rocks for almost anything.


Cathodeon Crystals,           Need phone number
A PYE Group Company
Linton,
Cambridgeshire
England    (Need postal code) Crystals


Crystek Crystals              800-237-3061
2351/2371 Crystal Drive
Ft. Myers, FL 33907           Quartz Crystals


CW Crystals                   Inexpensive, but SLOW to respond.
570 N. Buffalo Street
Marshfield, MO 65706          (Crystals, $1.00 catalog)


Debco Electronics             800-423-4499
Address needed                Crystals for $1.25 and up - catalog.


International Crystal Mfg Co. 405-236-3741
10 North Lee Street           Crystals!
Oklahoma City, OK 73102


ICM (International Crystal Manufacturing Co., Inc.) 800-426-9825
P.O. Box 26330:  701 W. Sheridan
Oklahoma City  OK 73126-0330


JAN Crystals     800-526-9825: 813-936-2397
P.O. Box 06017:  2341 Crystal Drive:   Crystals
Ft. Myers, FL 33906-6017


LESMITH CRYSTALS              [phone]
54 Shepherd Rd,         Fax = [phone]
Oakville, ON
L6K 2G5
CANADA                        Crystals for amateur radio. VISA & MC OK.


MDM radio                     [phone]
Address needed          FAX = [phone].
                        Channel Elements for commercial 2-way radios.


Petersen Radio Co.            [phone]
2735 Avenue "A"
Council Bluffs, IA 51501      Crystals


Ryan Communications           412-368-3859
BOX 111E Camelot Road        (QRP CW transmitter, ready made,)
Portersville, PA 16051        (and transmitter kits, crystals)


Velco Electronics             [phone]
Address needed                [phone] = FAX
                              Crystals


C. W. Wolf Communications     [phone]
Address needed          FAX = [phone]
                        Channel elements for commercial 2-way radios.


I hope this helps you!

This list was prepared by AF4K, Brian Carling - Updated May 21, 1995
Please send additional sources for inclusion in this list.
If you go to a hamfest and see someone selling crystals, please
get a card and send me their name, address and phone number.

[e-mail]
AF4K
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 ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Cloak captioned for the Romulan impaired.




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard D. Vincent)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help re MIZUHO 20mtr HF handheld
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I just bought a Mizuho 20 meter handheld from Ramsey Electronics and need
help in getting it up and running such as where to buy necessary crystals
etc.There are people on here who have actually operated them and I would
like to get in touch with such a person.
          Yours truly:
          Richard D. Vincent
          KR7R


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Whaley)
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Hello all!!

My name is Mike Whaley KD4UGI, and I would like to ask for help from the
readers of this group with a worthy cause. I am a Technical Specialist
with the Astronauts Memorial Foundation at the Center for Space Education
at the visitor's center at the Kennedy Space Center. AMF is a non-profit
independent organization that was originally set up a month after the
Challenger tragedy to honor all U.S. Astronauts who have given their
lives in the line of duty. As a living memorial to them, AMF operates the
Center for Space Education. We basically take the latest in Instructional
Technology (IT)... computers, software, etc... and teach educators how to
incorporate it into today's classrooms. It is quite a comprehensive
program, after an educator goes through a workshop they have been
instructed in everything from basic computer troubleshooting and
repair (hardware and software), the use of software of all descriptions,
and how to use this technology effectively so that really improves the
education of their students rather than sitting unexploited as often happens
at many schools who don't know how to use it. We typically teach three
teachers from every school in a district, right now we focus mostly on
Florida but work in conjunction with NASA education programs and others
so that we see quite a cross-section of teachers from all grade levels,
subjects, and locations. I work on the Instructional Technology
Evaluation Center, which is a large computer lab with 10 Macintosh and 7
PC platforms that allows us to both do training and to allow educators to
"test-drive" all sorts of educationally-related software and determine
its suitability to their needs before spending shrinking budget money on it.
This is a free service open to teachers, and is supported by the
donations of many software and hardware vendors. If you are a teacher and
want more info about any of this, please call AMF at the number below and
we can tell you more details!

I think it is important to point out that even as comprehensive as our
programs are, there is NO COST to the participants, other than the costs
they incur in travel, lodging, and for substitutes at their home schools.
AMF is supported by the funds from the Florida Challenger license plate
program and from private donations. We are not a government agency, we
are entirely independent although we have working partnerships with many
organizations and businesses.

I am posting this to r.r.a.space because I now have a unique opportunity
to start a Shuttle Amateur Radio Experiment (SAREX) station there.  I am
sure that most of you are familiar with SAREX contacts where students get
to ask questions of Shuttle crew members, but in my view it would be even
more useful and lasting to get the teachers fired up about amateur radio,
space, and technology because they can then pass it along to hundreds or
thousands of students. I have approval from the powers that be to do this
project, however, with all the other educational projects that are ongoing
I need to get as many donations of equipment and help as I can before we
think about spending a lot of money. (Ie, only buy things that we can't
get donated or permanently loaned.) As the only ham currently working at
AMF, I am far more familiar with this than my co-workers, although myu
boss does know about it and has seen a videotape of a SAREX school
contact, and is supportive of this project. Basically, I would like to
get a good start (by getting not only equipment but volunteers to assist
with this project) before I push for significant sums of money. I believe
that once we have the capability of making contacts, not just SAREX but
Mir, satellite, and terrestrial, then it will become obvious how valuable
a tool this can be to get teachers interested.

For anyone out there who may be considering donating, remember that this
will be in a very high-visibility location... the KSC visitor's center is
the third most-visited attraction in the state of Florida. So of course,
the publicity value for companies is significant. (We will be sure to
publically acknowledge any assistance given us.) This is in the
formaticve stages right now, I have some ideas about specific equipment I
would like to use but I will consider anything. At minimum, right now we
need a 2-meter radio, a satellite antenna and the associated rotators and
mast, coaxial cable, and an amplifier to put out 150 watts or so if the
radio won't do that. Of course, I envision having a much more
complete/capable station than that, eventually we would like to have a
special event station to commemorate the return-to-flight after
Challenger so a full-blown station is something to look forward to. But
for now, my main goal is showing that this can work, and that should open
up doors and allow it to expand.

Thank you, and please feel free to either e-mail, call, snail-mail, or
visit!

Mike Whaley KD4UGI
The Astronauts Memorial Foundation
Mail Code AMF
Kennedy Space Center, FL 32899
[phone]

73 de KD4UGI

| Mike Whaley    [e-mail]   [e-mail] |
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|            And you and I reach out for reasons to call. - Yes            |





From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Tatro)
Subject: Help with FFTMORSE and SBPMORSE
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I cant get either to work.

FFTMORSE doesn't see my SB16 and
SBPMORSE misses characters and spaces.

Your help would be appreciated.

73's N0WCG (aka Pat)


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Patrick MacKinnon)
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Subject: HELP,MULTIPOINT 900MHz AMP ?
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Help please,

        I have a 900MHz power amp module, purchased new at a flemarket.
It looks like it bolts onto the back of a rig, as it has large heatsink
fins on one side.

It has the following printed on the PC board,

MULITPOINT NETWORKS
900MHz POWER AMPLIFIER
PC100033 Rev. 1/C

It has 2 RF connections, and an 8 pin header (next to a trim pot.)
Is anyone familiar with this module, especially the pinout of the
header?

I would be very grateful for any info on the unit.
Thanks for your time,

de VE3PMK,

Pat MacKinnon,
London, Ontario, Canada
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]


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> You are a Ham Radio Operator if...
>
> ... when you're at a restaurant and the waitress asks you if you would

> ...you get into auto accidents while passing through new parts of the country
> looking to see what kinds of antennas people have on top of their houses.

Almost had it happen

> ... your XYL, who is still 130 lb. and tremendously attractive comes
> to you in a hot pink, topless teddy and starts nibbling on your
> shoulder and you tell her to hang on for a minute because you're
> just about to make that contact with East Molohavnia.

Ahh,,,before I answer that one, what's the modifier for East
Molohavnia?

> ... when your club's repeater and the TV station that you work for
> are in the same building and are damaged by a hurricaine and you
> go up and fix the repeater BEFORE you fix the television station.

We all know that repeaters are MUCH more important than TV for
emergancies!
>
> This joke was sent by John, KB8GYS

A joke...oh oh...do I have a problem?  :)

Thanks for the smile John,

Rodney, KB0SPZ




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:36:58 1995
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From: Frits Jensen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Hyperlog software
Date: 21 Jul 1995 14:17:21 GMT
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Hi all OM┤s

Does anybody know a ftp-server where one can download the newest
versions of Hyperlog from Hypersoft and the Windows version of it.

By the way, i now have version 2.25 - is there an update?

Have a nice day

Vy ┤73 de DL4MHU / OZ2Q

Frits in Munich


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From: [e-mail] (Mike Clawson)
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Subject: icom 2gxat
Date: 22 Jul 1995 23:44:54 GMT
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Does any one know of mods for this radio??



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:01 1995
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From: Chris Oesterling <[e-mail]>
Subject: ICOM IC-RC1220 repeater question(s)
Sender: [e-mail]
Organization: Mystery Spot BBS, Royal Oak, MI   [phone]
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 18:15:19 GMT
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Hi,
I have an ICOM IC-RP1220 repeater with a CAT300DX external
controller. It works quite well now. (Thanks to several nice
HAMs in this newsgroup). I still have a few questions that are
related to the ICOM.

1. The LOCAL Inhibite when powered up defaults to "off". Is
   there any way to have it default to "on".

2. The COR output pin works based off squelch opening or
   closing. The repeater can do the CTCSS decode but the COR pin
   is not effected. Is it possible to have the COR reflect not
   only that the squelch is open but also the correct CTCSS
   tone is being received?

As usual, thanks for the help! - Chris N8UDK

--
Chris Oesterling ([e-mail])
Mystery Spot BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------?--



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:02 1995
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From: Beryl Worrall <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Info on Inex 4001
Date: 23 Jul 1995 08:51:53 GMT
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I am looking for information regarding an Inex 4001 486 slc laptop,

I need the manufacturers phone number or address or any information
regarding schmatic, internal power supply and manangement.

please email any info

Thanks


L Worrall
VE6LHW


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:02 1995
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From: Beryl Worrall <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Info on Inex 4001
Date: 23 Jul 1995 08:52:07 GMT
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I am looking for information regarding an Inex 4001 486 slc laptop,

I need the manufacturers phone number or address or any information
regarding schmatic, internal power supply and manangement.

please email any info

Thanks


L Worrall
VE6LHW


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:03 1995
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From: Peter Barker <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Info please about Internet/Packet
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 13:09:24 GMT
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I'm new to both Internet and Packet and am puzzled about the
links between the two. The addresses which amateurs use are
clearly part of the larger Internet and though I have been able
to 'telnet' from my Internet (Demon) account to an amateur
addess, there doesn't seem to be any way to go the other way.

Any information or pointers to appropriate literature
appreciated.

Regards

Pete g0rvv.

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Info Wanted:  Late Show / Larry King Microphones
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In article <3uj8nq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James Reese) writes:
>In article <3uimom$[e-mail]>,
>   [e-mail] (BV/N0IAT) wrote:
>>Anyone know the name / manufacturer/ model number of
>>the microphones used by the likes of David Letterman
>>and Larry King?
>
>It's an RCA 77DX.  If memory serves, it's a ribbon microphone.
>
>I suspect it's just a prop, because I see Letterman wearing a lav wireless
>most of the time...

Yep, the mike on Letterman's desk is just a prop, which he brought over
with him from NBC. It's not hot. He and his guests use wireless lavs.

The RCA 77DX is a *wonderful* old microphone for certain things, but
nobody is actually using these as desk mikes anymore. Many, many years
ago I used a 77DX on a boom for my 75 meter AM station. Sounded really
good. It has an incredible proximity effect, though. Where this mike
really shines is in miking a concert piano. That ribbon has a really
smooth response.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:06 1995
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>The RCA 77DX is a *wonderful* old microphone for certain things,
         <snip>
>Where this mike really shines is in miking a concert piano. That ribbon
>has a really smooth response.

This reminds me of the time I miked a $15,000 baby grand with a PZM
microphone.  It only took about ten minutes to position the mike using a
real-time spectrum analyzer, and final results were extraordinary.

These mikes don't provide a cardioid response, but I wonder if anyone has
attempted to use them in the shack?

73,

Jack  WB3U


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From: [e-mail] (Leon D. Zetekoff)
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WB3U ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>,
:    [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
: >The RCA 77DX is a *wonderful* old microphone for certain things,
:          <snip>
: >Where this mike really shines is in miking a concert piano. That ribbon
: >has a really smooth response.

: This reminds me of the time I miked a $15,000 baby grand with a PZM
: microphone.  It only took about ten minutes to position the mike using a
: real-time spectrum analyzer, and final results were extraordinary.

: These mikes don't provide a cardioid response, but I wonder if anyone has
: attempted to use them in the shack?

My dad, W4AL, has a 77D. He uses it on the air from time-to-time. Very
smooth. I also have used it for recording stuff. It's still in use. It's
great for voice work and music.

Leon WA4ZLW



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:09 1995
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73,

I am interested in buying a callsign database on CD-ROM, but only if
it contains a pretty good percentage of international calls.  The
reason is that I have good net access, so I can access up-to-date
US callsign info via the UALR server, so I would use the CD primarily
for foreign calls.

I have an old HamCall CD, and it is VERY limited with regard to foreign
callsigns.  Which CD would you,[the collective net/ham brain :-)],
recommend, if any?

BTW, I read somewhere that the reason Buckmaster didn't have many
international calls on their CD was that many countries do not
allow redistribution of their callsign database in digital format.
Any comments on this?

TNX,

Jud

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:12 1995
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 20/2330Z JULY 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 20 JULY AND FORECAST FOR 21 JULY - 23 JULY
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  70/5

GOES satellite data for 19 Jul
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   NA
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  NA
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: NA
       X-ray background: NA
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             21 Jul             22 Jul             23 Jul
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 21 Jul:  70/5

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 19 Jul
    Learmonth        8  2223 2222
    Fredericksburg  10                           9
    Planetary       10                          11

Observed Kp for 19 Jul: 2333 2233
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
21 Jul     8    Quiet to unsettled
22 Jul    13    Unsettled
23 Jul    16    Unsettled to active
COMMENT: A mild increase in geomagnetic activity is expected on 23
July, due to a coronal hole.

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
20 Jul      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
21 Jul      normal         normal         fair
22 Jul      normal         normal         fair
23 Jul      normal         fair           poor

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
20 Jul     8    near predicted monthly values

Predicted Monthly T index for July: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
21 Jul    15    Near predicted monthly values
22 Jul    15    Near predicted monthly values
23 Jul    15    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Degraded HF conditions may have been experienced
yesterday.Darwin MUFs: 10-15% depressed most of the UT day.
Townsville MUFs: near predicted monthly values, spread F observed
during local night.
Hobart MUFs: 10-15% depressed at times, sporadic E blanketing
observed most of local night.

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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 21/2330Z JULY 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 21 JULY AND FORECAST FOR 22 JULY - 24 JULY
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  69/3

GOES satellite data for 20 Jul
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   1.3E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 6.8E+08 (high)
       X-ray background: A1.4
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             22 Jul             23 Jul             24 Jul
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 22 Jul:  68/2

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 20 Jul
    Learmonth        5  2122 2111
    Fredericksburg   5                          10
    Planetary        8                           9

Observed Kp for 20 Jul: 3223 2222
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
22 Jul    13    Unsettled
23 Jul    16    Unsettled to active
24 Jul    12    Unsettled
COMMENT: IPS Geomagnetic Warning 19 was issued on 21 July and is
current for 23 July. Increase in activity expected due
to coronal hole.
-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
21 Jul      normal         normal-fair    fair
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
22 Jul      normal         normal         fair
23 Jul      normal         fair           poor
24 Jul      normal         normal         fair

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
21 Jul    15    near predicted monthly values, with spread F observed
during local night

Predicted Monthly T index for July: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
22 Jul    15    Near predicted monthly values
23 Jul    15    Near predicted monthly values
24 Jul    15    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: 10-15% depressed most of the UT day.
Townsville MUFs: 10-15% depressed 00-06UT. Enahncements of 10-20%
observed during local night.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with spread F observed
throughout local night hours.

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:17 1995
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 22/2330Z JULY 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 22 JULY AND FORECAST FOR 23 JULY - 25 JULY
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  69/3

GOES satellite data for 21 Jul
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   9.2E+04
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 5.5E+08 (high)
       X-ray background: A1.3
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             23 Jul             24 Jul             25 Jul
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 23 Jul:  68/2

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 21 Jul
    Learmonth        7  2222 2222
    Fredericksburg   5                           5
    Planetary        8                           5

Observed Kp for 21 Jul: 2222 2221
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
23 Jul    16    Unsettled to active
24 Jul    12    Unsettled
25 Jul     5    Quiet to unsettled
COMMENT: IPS Geomagnetic Warning 19 was issued on 21 July and is
current for interval  23 July. Increase in activity expected due
to coronal hole.
-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
22 Jul      normal         fair           fair
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
23 Jul      normal         fair           poor
24 Jul      normal         normal         fair
25 Jul      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
22 Jul    18    near predicted monthly values

Predicted Monthly T index for July: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
23 Jul    15    Near predicted monthly values
24 Jul    15    Near predicted monthly values
25 Jul    15    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: 15% depressed most of the UT day, spread F
observed during local night.Townsville MUFs: 10-15% depressed
00-06UT. Spread F during local night.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values, with spread F observed
throughout local night hours.

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Could anyone give me information on any ham radio repeaters and/or
packet nodes/digipeaters in the Macon, Georgia area? Any help would
be appreciated! Thanks,

Scott Huggins
KD4EOB
Macon, Georgia

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>Could anyone give me information on any ham radio repeaters and/or
>packet nodes/digipeaters in the Macon, Georgia area? Any help would
>be appreciated! Thanks,

Scott....  try pointing a beam to the north towards Griffin/Orchard Hill and
give my node GFNSW a try...  144.95 Mhz 1200bd/  446.65 Mhz 9600bd.

Also, if they're still up, listen to 145.77 Mhz for the SEDAN/GARDS gang...

73/Bob


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I would just like to ask if their are any Navy/Marine Corps M.A.R.S.
operators out there that worked NNN0NZL in the last year?  I was
one of the operators on that station during the 94-95 West-Pac and
wanted to say I really enjoyed it.  If you have knowledge of how to
become a MARS operator as a civilian (as I now am) I would greatly
appreciate it.  It was to nice of a service to quit now.  If it wasn't for
that I would not have my license now!!

De KB0SOA,  73'S
KB0SOA
Frank J. Finnie
102 Ridgeview Dr.
Matthews, Mo 63867

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Colin McGregor)
Subject: Re: Neccesary authorization for US han to operate in Canada
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David C. Miller ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I am looking for information concerning the neccesary forms/permits/licenses
: etc for a US ham (that being me : - )) to operate (or atleast transport my
: radio back and forth across the border) in Canada. Any help would be
: appricated.

: |              David C. Miller - KB7ZJY               |

You can operate without any more paperwork than you would need in the
U.S.. Lat's see, in Radio Information Circular 25 from Communications
Canada we find:

-----------

57. (2) The operator of an amateur station licenced by the Government of
the United States shall identify the station

   (a) by transmitting the call sign assigned the licencee of that
       station or to that licencee's station by the Federal Communications
       Commission;

    (b) if transmitting

        (i) by radiotelephony, by adding the word "mobile" or "portable",
            or

         (ii) by radiotelegraphy, by adding an ablique ("/"); and

      (c) by adding the Canadian amateur call sign prefix set out in
          column I of an item of Schedule V for the geographical location
          of the station set out in column II of that item.

---------------------

Now for call sign prefixs, well B.C. is VE7, Alberta is VE6, if your
interested in others let me know...

Colin McGregor - VE3ZAA


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Ennes)
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Subject: Re: Neccesary authorization for US han to operate in Canada
Date: 23 Jul 1995 16:17:23 GMT
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What he means is you don't need written permission to operate in Canada
if you has a U.S. license.

N7DTD



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Braun)
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In Article <3um6sl$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:

>
> I get up to Canada a lot it it is fully reciprocal. You just
> operate with your usual US privileges. There is some discussion
> about signing what I do is give my call and "mobile VE7 or VK1"
> or what ever is appropriate.
>
Just don't sign /VK1 unless you are in Australia in their federal
district!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
*  Alan Braun MD, NS0B/V31EV  *   Internet: [e-mail]      *
*  Jefferson City, MO         *   Packet: NS0B@N0LBA.#cemo.mo.usa.noam  *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David L. Kushman)
Subject: NEED HELP ON HEATHKIT IP-2720 P.S.
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Anyone have a schematic & Parts list for one of these supplies?
Sure would like a copy.  Please reply via e-mail.
Thanks
Dave (KB8KH)
au298


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Need help on Ni-Cad battery storage!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <3umjqi$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Can anyone tell me the "correct" way to store ni-cads???
>
>I've been told to charge them fully before storing.

Ok. But realize they're going to self-discharge in storage.
Lead-acid batteries need to be stored charged, preferrably dry
charged, but NiCads don't need to be charged for storage.

>I've been told to discharge them fully before storing.

Ok, that's how they're going to wind up anyway after self-discharging.
You can put them away in any state of charge, but if they are stored
for a long time, they're going to wind up discharged anyway. That's
fine, they don't mind.

>I've been told to leave them continuously plugged into the charger
>when not in use.

No. Any time you are reacting the chemicals, you are shortening
the storage life of the cell. Like many other chemical systems,
just keep them in a cool dry place, charge them fully and slowly
before use, and they'll do fine.

Now you may want to periodically charge lead-acid batteries in
storage, they'll sulphate if they go flat, but NiCads don't
have that problem.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:30 1995
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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Need help on Ni-Cad battery storage!
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[e-mail] (Buck) wrote:
>
>Can anyone tell me the "correct" way to store ni-cads???
>I've been told to charge them fully before storing.
>I've been told to discharge them fully before storing.
>I've been told to leave them continuously plugged into the charger
>when not in use.

Are we talking about long term strorage, weeks, months?  Or just a few
days?  Do not store them on a charger in any case.  That will ruin them.

It does not matter if you store them charged or uncharged.  After long
term storage you will probably notice an apparent loss of capaicty.  This
is due to what is sometimes called "passivation", a crystalin formation
on the plates - it actually helps to protect the plates.  It takes a
couple of charging cycles to remove it.  They should then be fine.

Some people say that you should turn the batteries over every week or so
during long term strorage - to keep the electrolyte from pooling. I don't
know that this is really a problem unless you are talking about
warehousing these things for months.

--
Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Need help on Ni-Cad battery storage!
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:

: No. Any time you are reacting the chemicals, you are shortening
 : the storage life of the cell. Like many other chemical systems,
: just keep them in a cool dry place, charge them fully and slowly
: before use, and they'll do fine.


Unfortunately, I have ruined more than a few electronic, non-radio,
appliances, such as a DustBuster, by leaving them on the charger
continuously.   I am trying to avoid causing the same damage to my HT
battery packs; guess the answer is to buy extra packs.

The way that a lot of these units are packaged, though, would lead the
average individual to believe that they should be stored on the charger.
Said DustBuster was a good example, with its wall-mounted storage caddy/
recharging base.

A lot of the commercial HTs that I have seen at swapmeets and elsewhere
are supplied with a charging base; again that implies storing them on the
charger when not in use.

Does this seem odd to anyone else?

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
[phone] (O)  |   Unix:  "It isn't supposed to be easy...If it
[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Need help on Ni-Cad battery storage!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Lowman) writes:
>A lot of the commercial HTs that I have seen at swapmeets and elsewhere
>are supplied with a charging base; again that implies storing them on the
>charger when not in use.
>
>Does this seem odd to anyone else?

No, because the commercial units are used every day, so they're never
stored. Rather, they are used all day and charged all night.

Gary

--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Adams)
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Subject: Need help with KDK-2016A
Date: 23 Jul 1995 13:15:35 -0500
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Greetings!  I just bought an old KDK 2016A 2m mobile rig.
Unfortunately, I have no schematics on the rig.  If anyone could
tell me the pinouts of the rear connector (for packet) or where
to hook in a tone board (simple 3 wire job) I'd appreciate it.

Dave


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James Deaton)
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Subject: Re: New call sign by internet
Date: 24 Jul 1995 04:49:01 GMT
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Peter Laws ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (GeneO3192) writes:
:
: >Also, check http://www.fcc.gov/pub/XFS_AlphaTest/amateur for daily files
:
: You *could* do that, but you'll be much less frustrated if you use
: http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html.  You can also use the
: telnet server at 'telnet callsign.ualr.edu 2000'.  Both of these are
: located at the University of Arkansas, Little Rock.
:
: Peter Laws<[e-mail]>|"Time flies when you're slackin'" - Brian Reed
: n5uwy@ka5bml.#nwar.ar.usa.noam |<A HREF="http://comp.uark.edu/~plaws/">geek</A>

Along these lines...I have a question.  My wife and I took our exams on the first
of the month and I checked fcc.gov nightly for the updates.  When I got the
updates for the 6th I did a search for Deaton and only found my wife.  After
a closer look I discovered my name had been mistakenly entered as Daton.  Due to
the fact that it had been 'just' issued I called the FCC to see whether they'd
want a 610 to correct it.  They said call the ARRL VEC office and they shouldn't
have any problem fixing it.  Well...I did and had a nice chat and was jokingly
warned that I may end up with 2 callsigns but other than that, the problem
would be fixed.  Unfortunately it's been over 2 weeks and my wife and I have
since received our licenses (mine incorrect).  Does anyone know whether a
slower method is involved in correcting mistakes and I should simply wait? Or
is another call in order?  I realize that only 6 months ago....>6 weeks of wait
was not uncommon.  BTW...unless things change I'm a happy TechPlus -- KC5PRQ

--
      James E Deaton | [e-mail] | UCSVAX::JAMES | JAMES@UOKUCSVX
            University of Oklahoma-University Computing Services
            200 Felgar Street - EL 203    Norman, Oklahoma 73019
                Phone: [phone]       Fax: [phone]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David C Gingrich)
Subject: Re: New license!
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Kevin B.
Roth) wrote:

>         I have passed the test and the examiners said there was a
> number I could call and find out my callsign in just a few days.
> Anyone know this number?  If not, they tell me the wait is down to
> about a week now!  The FCC must be the fastest department in the
> gov. now! :)

Here is another idea: telnet  callsign.ualr.edu 2000

This server is up and down a little, but it claims DAILY updates. It
worked for our new club call, found it the day after it was issued.

===============================================================
David C. Gingrich, K9DC              Internet: [e-mail]
Lockman Mills & Associates             Office: [phone]
Telecommunications Consultants            Fax: [phone]
7007 Graham Road, Suite 201               Res: [phone]
Indianapolis, Indiana 46220           http://www.lma.com/lma/
===============================================================


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:38 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Operating in Ghana?
Date: 24 Jul 1995 02:44:54 GMT
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On behalf of a ZL who's moving to Accra, Ghana, West Africa for two years.
Can anyone supply information on amateur radio activity in that Country.
e.g. What Authority deals with licensing. Is there a structured amateur group.
Has anyone on the net held a 9G1 call; ???
Any relevant information would be appreciated, either through this newsgroup
or via email.

Thanks!   Cliff Walker, (ZL2ALY) Wellington New Zealand.
          [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:39 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Phone number for 73 magazine
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 95 02:25:13 -0500
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Jim Wayda <[e-mail]> writes:

>phone number of 73 mag so that I can order the back issues?

dial 1-603-555-1212.....tell the operator that you want 73 Magazine in
Peterborough ans she will give you the number.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (VINY N1VC)
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Subject: Postscript files HELP!
Date: 21 Jul 1995 10:41:29 -0400
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The ARRL BBS and FTP sites post various files in postscript files so that
someone with  the freeware program Ghost can easily print out a PC Board a
laserjet printer. Zack Lau,  KH6CP, has files available for his 10GHZ
building blocks. Another neat program called HDL_ANT, written by N1BWT,
will
lay out templates for horn design and horn feeds for various parabola's,
etc.

I have looked high and low for this Ghost program and finally found it on
Compuserve. After downloading it and finding it do be about 700K, I
fiddled
with it for about a week. The documentation assumes you have used this
program before and are a UNIX EXPERT!  I do not fit either case. After
about
a week, I can print the circuits, but get errors on the fonts. So I
commented
them out from the .PS file, because it is not clear how to load them.

My other dillema, is that I don't have a postscript printer. I have access
only to an HP Laserjet. Is there a way to make the conversion.

If anyone has a simple solution to the above I will be all ears. Is there
a
comercial package available to moreless plug in and go. The money may be
worth the tradeoff for all of the time I devoted to this and still have
not
found a way to do make a usable printout. Thanks beforehand.

Viny N1VC


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Wang)
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Subject: Q: third party traffic on autopatch
Date: 24 Jul 1995 06:12:24 GMT
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I just recently joined a repeater club with autopatch. My question is this:
A friend who is no licensed wants to talk to someone through my
autopatch. Would this be considered third party traffic?
Would I say something like "Ke6uux with third party traffic" before I make
the autopatch call?
Jerry Wang (ke6uux)



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:43 1995
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From: "Walter L. Zorn" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Q: third party traffic on autopatch
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 13:38:09 EDT
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On 24 Jul 1995 06:12:24 GMT,
Jerry Wang  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I just recently joined a repeater club with autopatch. My question is this:
>A friend who is no licensed wants to talk to someone through my
>autopatch. Would this be considered third party traffic?
>Would I say something like "Ke6uux with third party traffic" before I make
>the autopatch call?
>Jerry Wang (ke6uux)

Jerry,

What I do is annouce the call "KF0OS for the Autopatch" or something like
that.  I then dial and whatever (or let the other party do that) and let
them talk.  I usally terminate the call with appropoiate announcement.  I
do all this while maintaining "control" of the station.  I usally do this
so my kids can talk to mom.  I don't say "KF0OS with third party traffic"
as I believe this is confusing with "third party" agreements.  It's my
voice at initiation and closure.  Never had any problems.

It possible (legal) to be near and in "control operator" range, let the
other person do all the announcing (your call sign), place the call, and
terminate with announcements. But, someone may get concerned when they
don't hear your voice and what to know who's controlling your station.

Walt



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:44 1995
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From: jlloyd@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (John LLoyd)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QSL Route for 4N4L
Date: 24 Jul 1995 18:40:46 GMT
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Did anyone copy the QSL route for 4N4L? He gave it over the air, but all
I got was P.O. Box 22, ???????, Bosnia.

73 de John

--
John Lloyd KE4UTX
Computer Science Dept.
Clemson University
South Carolina, USA


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Subject: Re: Question from a newcomer ...
Date: 22 Jul 1995 19:54:44 GMT
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Brian Phillips ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Mark A. Clark ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [snip]
: : Should I start with 5- or 13-WPM, or can I learn at the upper speed?
: [snip]

This is what I am planning on doing [and am currently attempting to do].
I would much rather only have to do a code test once, so am starting with
aiming for the 20 wpm one.

I have found that since the characters sound so different at the higher
speeds versus the slower ones, I will ahve to entirely relearn everything
anyways to do a faster speed test...


: LEARNING is a different story, however.  You probably won't be able to
: jump from 0 to 20 wpm overnight.  The first step is learning the letters,
: numbers, and procedurals.  You'll only frustrate yourself if you try to
: build speed before you have all of them "down cold".  There are a number
: of techniques you can use to copy faster (writing longhand instead of
: printing, copying behind, etc.) once you're sure of all the characters.

I found that learning characters at slow speeds just confuses me even
more at faster speeds as I have to unlearn what I learnt and then relearn
at the higher speed.  Further, some lcharacters to ME, at higher speeds
do NOT sound like what they "are" in terms of dits and dahs -- often I
can't tell if the tone is long or short; I ahve to go entirely by what
teh entire cahracter "sounds" like; which as I understandd it is
apparently the better way to learn anyways.



I DO have a question about the test that hopefully someone can answer.
Actually it;'s more of a problem that I hope someone has an answer to.

At some freuquencies of sound, even at a character sped of 5 wpm, I am
completely unable to differentiate long form short tones; at higher
speeds it means that two character can sound identical even if one is ..
and the other -- as an example.  I am fine with the tones at a frequency
of 500, but if it is at 800 I am completely lost...  Being tone deaf may
have something to do with it, I really have no idea...


So, on the tapes that are used for the code tests, what frequency are
they using for the tones?  Also, can that frequency be adjusted if it is
one that a person can't comprehend because at it they can't distinguish
between long and short tones?



DC>



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>I have found that since the characters sound so different at the higher
>speeds versus the slower ones, I will ahve to entirely relearn everything
>anyways to do a faster speed test...

        Wayne Green advertises a code tape in 73 Magazine where the
characters are set a 13 WPM but spaced at 5 WPM. This might be a good
starting point.



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:47 1995
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What are the requirements in order for an FCC-licenced operator to become a
memeber of RACES and/or ARES?  Including any citizenship/immigration
requirements...


Thanks.

Deanne Carp
KC7IHY



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[e-mail] wrote:
: What are the requirements in order for an FCC-licenced operator to become a
: memeber of RACES and/or ARES?  Including any citizenship/immigration
: requirements...
: Thanks.
: Deanne Carp
: KC7IHY

I think you've actually already listed the single requirement.

Now that takes  care of FCC's requirements.

Some states have additional requirements that may come into play
though.  In CA, to be a RACES member, you also have to register
as a DSW which requires takeing/signing a loyalty oath.  I'm
not certain of all the legalities on this one(not being a
lawyer ;-), but I'd guess that this means U.S. citizenship
is required for CA DSW registration.

Steve KA6S



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Steve Wilson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] wrote:
: : What are the requirements in order for an FCC-licenced operator to become a
: : memeber of RACES and/or ARES?  Including any citizenship/immigration
: : requirements...

: Some states have additional requirements that may come into play
: though.  In CA, to be a RACES member, you also have to register
: as a DSW which requires takeing/signing a loyalty oath.  I'm
: not certain of all the legalities on this one(not being a
: lawyer ;-), but I'd guess that this means U.S. citizenship
: is required for CA DSW registration.

Do all of the civil defence organizations require US citizenship?  Is it
posssible to be a memeber of RACES [and/or ARES] while a US Permanent
Resident as opposed to a US citizen?


DC.



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: Steve Wilson ([e-mail]) wrote:

: : Some states have additional requirements that may come into play
: : though.  In CA, to be a RACES member, you also have to register
: : as a DSW which requires takeing/signing a loyalty oath.  I'm
: : not certain of all the legalities on this one(not being a
: : lawyer ;-), but I'd guess that this means U.S. citizenship
: : is required for CA DSW registration.

For the uninitiated, DSW stands for Disaster Service Worker.  My less than
perfect understanding indicates that you do _not_ have to be a citizen to
swear the California loyalty oath (to uphold the state and federal
constitutions against all enemies, foreign & domestic), but doing so _may_
affect your home citizenship status, depending on your laws.


Robert Schulz  KC6UDS
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:53 1995
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Robert Schulz ([e-mail]) wrote:

: For the uninitiated, DSW stands for Disaster Service Worker.  My less than
: perfect understanding indicates that you do _not_ have to be a citizen to
: swear the California loyalty oath (to uphold the state and federal
: constitutions against all enemies, foreign & domestic), but doing so _may_
: affect your home citizenship status, depending on your laws.

Well, as a member of CA State RACES, I signed the aforementioned oath.  I
found it pretty repugnant, though.  I thought that these loyalty oaths had
been struck down years ago.  Guess I need to study my recent history (a
subject, like English, that I absolutely hated) and get current.

Jim

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In article <3url75$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] ( ) says:
>
>What are the requirements in order for an FCC-licenced operator to become a
>memeber of RACES and/or ARES?  Including any citizenship/immigration
>requirements...
>
>
>

Basically you have to get in touch with your local emergency management agency
and inquire as to how enlist into the local RACES chapter. For ARES, contact the
ARRL ([e-mail]) to find out who the E.C. is in your area and follow the same
idea. That's all there is to it..


Mouse


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:37:56 1995
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Part 7/7 got down to about J in the alphabet and part 1 started at A.
What about kit and parts sources for the rest of the alphabet - I do need
those too please!



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>>The battery pack in the radio is loose.

Go to radio shack
 1. put your pack on their radio; still a problem then it is the pack
 2. put their pack on your radio ; ?????

Could just be a bent rail

Bob [e-mail]




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If you buy an Advanced Test Book at Radio Shack be sure it's not the
outdated version. They are still selling the old books.


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In article <3us2v9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (TEIXEIRA) writes:
> If you buy an Advanced Test Book at Radio Shack be sure it's not the
> outdated version. They are still selling the old books.

Which makes me wonder...  Is it ignorance or are they just trying to
profit off those who might not know any better?


Ken
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Ken Harrison <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3us2v9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (TEIXEIRA) writes:
>> If you buy an Advanced Test Book at Radio Shack be sure it's not the
>> outdated version. They are still selling the old books.
>
>Which makes me wonder...  Is it ignorance or are they just trying to
>profit off those who might not know any better?
>
>
>Ken
>--
>
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        As a former RS employee, I would guess it is most likely not intention-
al.  As we all know there are exceptions to every rule, however.
        Most people who work in the stores are lucky if they know about the
radio's themselves, much less the accuracy of the books.  Most of the people
I worked with would know that if you buy the radio, you have to have a license
to use it. (I know this doesn't apply to the advanced book since RS has yet to
offer any HF equipment since the HTX 100, just trying to make a point)  They
would then direct you to the book shelf.  This is probably one of the areas
of the store that gets the least attention.  I am pretty sure I have seen new
editions of books (same title) with different covers.  Therefore, unless
something comes over the computer at night telling them to remove the old books
(which it probably won't since selling the old books is not illegal--scanner
hobyists will know what I am referring to here:-)), the old books will remain,
although maybe at discounted prices.
        Just my $.02.  Don't take this as an overall defense of RS or anything
like that, all std disclaimers apply, etc, etc....

73 de Dave, WY2P





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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Ken Harrison" writes:

> In article <3us2v9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (TEIXEIRA) writes:
> > If you buy an Advanced Test Book at Radio Shack be sure it's not the
> > outdated version. They are still selling the old books.
>
> Which makes me wonder...  Is it ignorance or are they just trying to
> profit off those who might not know any better?

I found that obsolete books at Radio Shack, although on display, were not
in fact saleable as the order entry computer screen clearly showed the
expiry of the titles and the salespeople obeyed the screen.

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Give me a break, ken.  I think we are taking this Radio Shack Bashing a
little too far.  I've been to hamfests where people are selling used books
all the time.  But then again, RS is pawning them off as new, and charging
new proces for them...

well, as in most things - Buyer Beware...

Joe


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From: [e-mail] (Conway Yee)
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>Give me a break, ken.  I think we are taking this Radio Shack Bashing a
>little too far.  I've been to hamfests where people are selling used books
>all the time.

OK so far...

>But then again, RS is pawning them off as new, and charging
>new proces for them...

Wrong.  The books may be outdated but they are not used.  They are
new books.

BTW, from an educational point of view, it doesn't make a difference
whether the books are outdated or not.  The scientific material within
is identical.  The only time using the outdated books makes a difference
is if you have no intention of learning the material and just want to
memorize the test questions.  If so, why not simply ftp the questions?

When I took the advanced exam last year, I used a book dating from a
2 or so revisions back.  Who cares?  I saw a few questions I hadn't seen
before but since I actually learned the material, I got the answer right
anyway.

Incidentally, the parts about FCC regulations change from edition to
edition of exam questions in the sense that the material that the
questions are based on different material.  I don't know about the RS
books but the ARRL books I am familiar with don't even cover the
regulations and refer you to the FCC Rule book.  My strategy?  I guessed.
Most of the time I got the questions wrong.  It was an acceptable loss.
Besides remembering the band edges is meaningless trivia until you get on
the air and if you are not sure where you are allowed to be, just look
it up.  I have ALL the useful tables from the various texts in laminated
sheets sitting right next to my rig.


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
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TEIXEIRA ([e-mail]) wrote:
: If you buy an Advanced Test Book at Radio Shack be sure it's not the
: outdated version. They are still selling the old books.

It may just be an oversight.  I feel fortunate that the manager of the local
RS nearest to the areas where I shop otherwise, is a ham and a member of our
local ARC.  However, when I went in to buy the frequency guide that
accompanies _Police Call_ one of the associates went to great length to
ensure that I was not buying the wrong book by mistake.  He did not know me
as a ham, BTW, or as a club member.

Unless the salesperson is a ham, and even then, he may not be aware that the
question pool for any given class has changed.  I happen to know only
because I am a prospective VE and, as club treasurer, work closely with the
VE Team.

Local management can make all the difference, and this goes for franchised
outlets other than RS.

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Ken Harrison) says:
>
>In article <3us2v9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (TEIXEIRA)
writes:
>> If you buy an Advanced Test Book at Radio Shack be sure it's not the
>> outdated version. They are still selling the old books.
>
>Which makes me wonder...  Is it ignorance or are they just trying to
>profit off those who might not know any better?
>
>
>Ken
>--
>NO Ken It is not ignorance they are trying to Rip Off *us*.. I found
the same problem here in Pa at 3 stores.. I told One of them about
it and they said they would pull them.. I went Back a week later and
found the same Books..73's N3pza.. Bill
>________________________________________________________________________
__


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:07 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: Radio Shack selling Outdated Adv. Test book
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In <3utt72$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (RodTool) writes:
>Give me a break, ken.  I think we are taking this Radio Shack Bashing a
>little too far.  I've been to hamfests where people are selling used books
>all the time.  But then again, RS is pawning them off as new, and charging
>new proces for them...

well, the book IS new (never been sold before) but the information it contains
is now somewhat out of date...i was at a small hamfest recently where it
appeared someone unearthed a stash of the original "rainbow cover" ARRL
starter books (i should know the name...i can't think of it right now..) at
face value...i guess any buyers would be in for a shock when it was time
to take the test...

>well, as in most things - Buyer Beware...

very true.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack selling Outdated Adv. Test book
Date: 24 Jul 95 01:20:10 -0800
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Conway Yee) writes:
>>Give me a break, ken.  I think we are taking this Radio Shack Bashing a
>>little too far.  I've been to hamfests where people are selling used books
>>all the time.
>
> OK so far...
>
>>But then again, RS is pawning them off as new, and charging
>>new proces for them...
>
> Wrong.  The books may be outdated but they are not used.  They are
> new books.

Oh... OK.  Perhaps Joe should have said they were pawning them off as
up-to-date.

> BTW, from an educational point of view, it doesn't make a difference
> whether the books are outdated or not.  The scientific material within
> is identical.  The only time using the outdated books makes a difference
> is if you have no intention of learning the material and just want to
> memorize the test questions.  If so, why not simply ftp the questions?

Well shoot, yeah!  Hey, everyone has internet access, don't they?
I mean if you and I both have it, then everyone must have it!

> When I took the advanced exam last year, I used a book dating from a
> 2 or so revisions back.  Who cares?  I saw a few questions I hadn't seen
> before but since I actually learned the material, I got the answer right
> anyway.

Well good for you, Chester.  <pats you on the back>
If the FCC decides that they will publish a question pool and someone
decides that they can memorize the questions, why not?  It's not like it is
breaking any rules, you know.  If the person wants to knowingly purchase
an out of date book, fine.  If it is misrepresented, then that is not fine.

> Incidentally, the parts about FCC regulations change from edition to
> edition of exam questions in the sense that the material that the
> questions are based on different material.  I don't know about the RS
> books but the ARRL books I am familiar with don't even cover the
> regulations and refer you to the FCC Rule book.  My strategy?  I guessed.

Yep... there is nothing like knowing the material.  Hmmm...  I wonder
which is better (or worse)...  guessing correctly or memorizing?

> Most of the time I got the questions wrong.  It was an acceptable loss.
> Besides remembering the band edges is meaningless trivia until you get on
> the air and if you are not sure where you are allowed to be, just look
> it up.

You know...  Couldn't it be said that it is ALL meaningless trivia
until you get on the air?  I would think that one of the more useful
pieces of trivia IS knowing where the band edges are.  Makes it a lot
more convenient when running mobile or when you are at someone else's
station so you don't look like a fool...

> I have ALL the useful tables from the various texts in laminated
> sheets sitting right next to my rig.

Do you take little photo-reduced laminated cards in your wallet to help
you out in a jam if you are at someone else's station?

Ken
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack selling Outdated Adv. Test book
Date: 24 Jul 95 01:35:57 -0800
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In article <[e-mail]>, @postoffice.ptd.net (billk) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
> (Ken Harrison) says:
>>
>>In article <3us2v9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (TEIXEIRA)
> writes:
>>> If you buy an Advanced Test Book at Radio Shack be sure it's not the
>>> outdated version. They are still selling the old books.
>>
>>Which makes me wonder...  Is it ignorance or are they just trying to
>>profit off those who might not know any better?
>>
>>
>>Ken
>>--
> NO Ken It is not ignorance they are trying to Rip Off *us*.. I found
> the same problem here in Pa at 3 stores.. I told One of them about
> it and they said they would pull them.. I went Back a week later and
> found the same Books..73's N3pza.. Bill

OK.  Now we're getting somewhere and not just reminiscing about how
prepared we were for the test (like a previous poster...)

If there was no intent to rip the public off, these books would have
been pulled, especially after having their "error" pointed out to them.

I guess we can chalk this up to another RS Ripoff...

Ken
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radios in hot cars
Date: 23 Jul 1995 21:24:29 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>Keeping the side windows cracked ... is an open invitation to theft.

How so?

I've heard from many people that they close their car windows all the
way to prevent theft, but never have I heard an explanation of WHY this
prevents theft more than a 1/2 opening at the top of the window might.
Given a modern car with non-coathangerable (?!) lock buttons, what
additional difficulty or deterrance does the closed window offer?

Facts, please, if you have them.  I'm genuinely curious.
        - Brian


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:15 1995
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To:   Emergency Management Agencies via Amateur Radio
Info: Communications Volunteers in Government Service
Info: Amateurs U.S. (@usa:Information), ACS, CAP, MARS, RACES
>From: Auxiliary Communications Service (ACS), the volunteer
      communications reserve of the State of California
      Governor's Office of Emergency Services

Bulletin 388 - For Release 7/24/95
MGT - Volunteers- Images & Issues 1/7

Volunteers --- Ugh! - not me!
Unfortunately that attitude or response is not a stranger in
some government circles when the topic of volunteers arises.

Interestingly, in other segments of government "volunteer" is a
powerful incentive and accepted as the norm. Instances include
reserve police officers, deputy sheriffs, volunteer firefighters,
volunteer emergency medical technicians, volunteer damage
assessment engineers, drowning accident recovery teams, sheriff's
search and rescue teams and the Civil Air Patrol.

But, when it comes to communications, the use of volunteers is
somehow different; chiefly because it is difficult for people to
conceptualize (in their minds) what communicators really do. In
contrast, its easy to know what it means to fill a sandbag, drive
a truck, remove fallen debris, etc. They all require physical
involvement with a known item: assist in law enforcement, fight
fire, help wounded, assess damage, find lost or drowned persons
and fly a plane. None are as nebulous as "communications", so
the idea of "deputy communicators" sometimes just does not make
sense to busy government managers.

What is it communicators really DO that makes consideration of
their services worthwhile? Since most people do not know, then a
typical reaction may be this: "What do we need them for; they
are just amateurs anyway, and a real headache. Besides, we have
no need to pass volumes of messages back and forth. We have these
highly accurate systems that seldom -- if ever -- fail."

In the next six bulletins we'll look at some issues and solutions
related to ORGANIZED communications volunteers affiliated with a
specific organization PRIOR TO an emergency or disaster. It is
based on some forty years experience in that field in government.
(Continued, next week)

ACS Addresses:  2800 Meadowview Rd., Sacramento, CA. 95832.
Ph: 916-262-1600. FAX [phone]. Landline BBS: 916-262-1657.
[e-mail] or Internet [e-mail] or [e-mail].
Bulletin delivery problems? Notify W6WWW@KM6PX.#NOCAL.USA.NA
EOM



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rod Davis)
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Subject: Re: Repeater with CTCSS input but none on output
Date: 23 Jul 1995 14:09:21 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (nt0233000-Sojka) says:
>
>How do you handle a repeater that requires a PL tone on the input but does
>not transmit with a PL tone. I have a Kenwood TH 79ad HT and there are at
>least two repeaters in my area in the 2m band that do this.

Bob,  I also have a Kenwood TH 79ad and own a 2meter repeater that cannot
transmit PL.  I run a 103.5 PL on the input.

On the TH 79 you have the option of selecting CTCSS (encode and decode - if)
you have the TSU-8 unit installed) by pressing the function button (A) first,
then the ctcss button (3) next.  Or you can select TONE (encode only) by
pressing the function button (A) then the tone button (*) next.

>I looked in the Kenwood manual and I did not see a way to set the CTCSS
>function on just the input but not the output.
>

The "TONE" function is covered on page 34 of the manual, and the "CTCSS"
function is covered on page 47.

>Am I correct in my suspicions as to what is going on here?
>
>Am I missing something, is there some easy way to make this work?
>

Make sure the CTCSS function is turned off - the "CT" does not show in the
display above the last digit of the top frequency or below the last digit of
the bottom frequency.

If you select the "TONE" option, along with the tone frequency, repeater
frequency and offset while in VFO, then write it to the memory position
(using function - MR) where your original repeater frequencies were stored,
you will only have to do it once.  If you select the "TONE" option when in
a memory position, the option will only work as long as you stay on that
one memory.  It will reset to the original information when you change and
return to that memory position.  Clear as mud?

>I'm new to amateur radio so if this a simple minded problem I apologize.
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Bob

Well, you bought the best H.T. for your first one.  I have a Kenwood TM-733a
mobile in my car and use the TH-79 as a "remote" to control it.  I can put
the mobile in cross-band repeat, change frequencies, change power settings,
etc. from my HT!  The controller on my repeater has DTMF and alphanumeric
paging capabilities, so I can send private pages-messages through the
repeater, then through my mobile and to the HT.  Makes it possible to
communicate no matter where I am.

Good luck with you gear.

Rod


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:18 1995
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Date: 23 Jul 1995 18:29:51 GMT
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Greeting to all,
  The Scout troop I help lead will be hiking 60 miles on the
Appalachian Trail next week.  We are going to hike from
Deep Gap to the Nantahala.  I was planning on carrying my
HT. I imagin that I'll get pretty good coverage from some
of thos mountain crests.  Can anyone tell me what repeaters
are in that area, especially the Franklin, NC.  and Wesser
areas?

Mike (KC5PSC)




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Wilson)
Subject: Re: rtty...what IS it?
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[e-mail] wrote:
: can someone please explian the CARRIER of a normal RTTY <baudot>
: transmision?
: is is a continuous carrier, or an on-off one?

: thanks
: David

RTTY uses Frequency Shift Keying, i.e. 0 is one frequency, and
1 is another frequency. Thus, a carrier is sent out at one
or the other frequency representing the data format.  So...it
uses CW but changes the transmitting frequency.

Steve KA6S


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can someone please explian the CARRIER of a normal RTTY <baudot>
transmision?
is is a continuous carrier, or an on-off one?

thanks
david
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:21 1995
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It is neither.  The frequency of the carrier is 'shifted' hence
the term frequency shift keying or FSK.  That is the short
answer.

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: rtty...what IS it?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <3us8j1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>can someone please explian the CARRIER of a normal RTTY <baudot>
>transmision?
>is is a continuous carrier, or an on-off one?

Well in a sense it is neither. During a transmission the RF output
of the transmitter never changes in amplitude, but it shifts between
two discrete frequencies. One frequency is called the 'mark' frequency
and the other is called the 'space' frequency. Characters are made up
of combinations of marks and spaces sent serially according to the
Baudot code.

When a RTTY station is idling, it may send a "diddle" character
pattern, or it may stay at continous mark frequency.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: rtty...what IS it?
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:

>In article <3us8j1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>can someone please explian the CARRIER of a normal RTTY <baudot>
>>transmision?
>>is is a continuous carrier, or an on-off one?

>Well in a sense it is neither. During a transmission the RF output
>of the transmitter never changes in amplitude, but it shifts between
>two discrete frequencies. One frequency is called the 'mark' frequency
>and the other is called the 'space' frequency. Characters are made up
>of combinations of marks and spaces sent serially according to the
>Baudot code.

>When a RTTY station is idling, it may send a "diddle" character
>pattern, or it may stay at continous mark frequency.

I didn't see the original message (the ham newsgroups expire fast at
this site) so my comments re tone generation may be superfluous.

What Gary says is correct for HF.  On VHF FM, the carrier is modulated
with an audio tone, and the tone jumps between two discrete audio
frequencies - and the Mark tone is the higher frequency.

One technique for generating the two different frequencies on HF radios
is to plug the audio tone generator into the mic jack - just like on
VHF.  You do have to watch the purity of the audio tones, and ideally
you change frequency during the zero-crossing instant of the sine wave
of the tone - this reduces distortion.

I was told years ago that the reason the two tones are called mark and
space is that an early machine had a pen that lifted and dropped
over a moving paper strip and one tone caused a mark to be made on the
strip for the duration of the tone, and the other lifted the pen,
leaving a space: hence "mark" and "space".

PS - anybody want a Model 15 (complete with built-in ribbon reinker
kit) and a model 14 reader and a model 14 punch (with original mounting
plate - a rare item!) ?  I've got original TTY corp manuals to go with them,
also a spare motor for the 15, and a spare brush kit (brushes and
plate) for the 14 reperf.  I think I've also got a 2B reperf - the
printing-only, narrow tape version of the 14 reperf for spare parts.
I _had_ the original 15 table but termites got to it...
All the equipment has under 150 hours on it since complete rebuilds
by a TTY-Corp.-trained Western Union retiree - including a new main
shaft on the 15.  The hour meter was something I installed in the table
power panel so I could follow the service schedule recommended by
my WU friend.
All the equipment is set up with true 60wpm gears as opposed to the WU
66wpm ones (I've got a extra set of #74192 and 74193 gears for a 15 -
I'll toss them in with the manuals if I can find them).

I'll call a friend - I think he has another 15 in a WU low-noise
newsroom cabinet in similar condition.  So there may be 2 available.

I hate to toss all this into a metal recycling dumpster.  Somebody must
have a museum that needs a donation...  Or knows somebody in Hollywood
that rents historical items to movies... (I haven't been able to find
one).  SOMEBODY GIVE THIS GEAR A NICE HOME - PLEASE!

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:26 1995
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There are a number of ways to send RTTY (Baudot), but the most common
method used is frequency shift keying (FSK).  In this method a contin
is transmitted. The frequency of the carrier is shifted slightly high
frequency depending on whether a mark or space is being transmitted.
amateur practice, the total shift between mark and space is usually 1

Another method of transmitting RTTY is by "Audio Frequency Shift Keyi
method FSK is "faked" by using an SSB transmitter, and rather than sh
carrier frequency of the transmitter, it is fed an audio signal which
shifted. Assuming good linear treatment of this audio, the transmitte
sound just like traditional FSK at any receiver.

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:27 1995
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My first answer really got farkled. Let me try again, and also remove
assumption of HF operation.

There are a number of ways to send RTTY (Baudot), but the most common
method used is frequency shift keying (FSK).  In this method a
continuous carrier is transmitted, based on some "center" frequency.
The frequency of this carrier is shifted slightly higher or lower in
frequency depending on whether a mark or space is being transmitted.
In amateur practice this shift is 85Hz (for a total difference betwee
mark and space of 170Hz.) Other services (and some amateurs) use
other shifts such as 425Hz (total 850Hz).

Another method of transmitting RTTY is by "Audio Frequency Shift
Keying". In this method FSK is "faked" by using an SSB transmitter,
and rather than shift the carrier frequency of the transmitter, it is
an audio signal which shifted. Assuming good linear treatment of this
audio, the transmitted signal will sound just like traditional FSK at
any receiver.

Because the terminal equipment at the receive end is typically lookin
for derived audio centered on some frequency (typically 2125Hz), this
AFSK mode can be adopted to FM transceivers.  In fact, this is the
method used (with a wider shift) in VHF packet networks. Most "multi-
mode" TNC's such as a PK232, etc, use this method in VHF Baudot
(RTTY).

--
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                    | Loyal...  Progressive... Friendly... |
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Subir Kumar Biswas)
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Subject: Starter Information Wanted
Date: 22 Jul 1995 03:30:49 GMT
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Hello,

I want some starter information about how to
get a license and what test I need to take for
that etc. Is there any FAQ or WWW site available?

Any information or pointer will be appreciated.
Please send me a mail directly to the following
address.

Thanks,

- Subir


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| C&C Research Laboratories         Fax: [phone]        |
| NEC USA, Inc.                                                 |
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jay K. Adams)
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Subject: Teletype question
Date: 22 Jul 1995 03:04:31 GMT
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This question is only mildly radio-related, but I can't imagine a
better place to ask it.

I have an old Teletype-- one of the type that people used to use as
computer terminals.  I got it a couple years ago but haven't used it
much.

This evening I was investigating the cause of the poor print quality
when I noticed that the type cylinder-- the thing with all the letters
on it-- had black gunk caked all over it.  I assumed it was ink
buildup and started cleaning it off.  Then I noticed that the black
gunk was also all over the little hammer that hits the cylinder as it
types.  It had even more black gunk on it.  Then I started to think
that the black gunk might be the remains of a rubber bumper that was
on the end of the hammer-- the part that strikes the cylinder.  In any
case, I didn't want it gumming up the cylinder again, so I cleaned the
gunk off the hammer too.

Question: Is the hammer supposed to have a rubber bumper on it?  If
so, how important is it that it's there?  What might I use as a
replacement?

- Jay, KE3AT


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:32 1995
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You failed to mention the model number of the Teletype unit you
are using, but from your description you could be referring to
either a Model 28 or a Model 35.  Both had a hammer and a type
box.  In operation the hammer travels from left to right along a
rail suspended on two wheels and is attached to a stranded wire
cable.  The type box is positioned so that the hammer strikes the
back of the various letters as it is repositioned each cycle of
the machine.

The simple answer to your question is that machines of this
design did not have any rubber surrounding the hammer.  There was
a spring loaded shock action associated with the hammer however.
Cleaning it should not cause a problem.  The guck you see on
there is probably a combination of ribbon threads, dust and ink
and any solvent should do the job.  I have used Gunk brand engine
degreaser or similar to clean the old oil from the typing units
followed by a water bath from the garden hose.  Blow the water
off with compressed air to speed the drying process or leave the
typing units out in the warm sun.  After cleaning there are
NUMEROUS felts that should be re-oiled, including inside the
clutches on the main shaft.  Get a good bright light and look
hard!

Good luck, Mr. Phelps!  This email will self-destruct in five
seconds . . . . .

73/George


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| George L. Hiscox                 | Very funny Scotty... Now |
| [e-mail]               | beam down my clothes !!! |
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:33 1995
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: This Week in Amateur Radio #121 (for air through 7/28/95)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 95 22:24:07 -0500
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Here is a summary of news items covered on edition #121 of "This
Week in Amateur Radio", North America's satellite-delivered audio
bulletin service, for the week ending 28-Jul:
-
1.   ARRL Files Comments in Response to the Latest FCC NPRM
2.   New Overland Distance Record Set on 3456 MHz Band
3.   Discovery Crew Members Activate SAREX Early in STS-70 Mission
4.   Personal Computers Squeeze Out Last US typewriter Manufacturer
5.   MIR Cosmonauts Ask Amateurs to Limit Use of Packet BBS
6.   "The RAIN Dial-up" from Chicago
7.   Weekly Propagation Forecast with George Bowen, N2LQS
8.   "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
9.   Upcoming Special Event Stations
10.  "Amateur Radio Newsline" - Edition #936 from Los Angeles
11.  Shuttle Astronaut Talks to New York Students in SAREX Contact
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Satellite time and uplink equipment have been provided by SKYVISION
as a service to the amateur radio community.  Funding for the
program's transmission and production expenses was provided by a
grant from the Hiawatha Amateur Radio Club of Marquette, Michigan.
Funding to access "The RAIN Dial-up" was provided by a grant from
the Eastern New York Chapter 95 of the Quarter Century Wireless
Association.
-
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is a weekly amateur radio news and
information service, in audio newsmagazine format, which is produced
by Community Video Associates, Inc., a New York State not-for-profit
corporation based in Albany, New York.  The program is carried on
the "Tech Talk Network" each Saturday at 7:30 PM (EDT) on the
Telstar 302 commercial communications satellite, transponder 21
(11V), 5.8 MHz wideband audio (4.120 GHz), located at 85 degrees
west longitude in geosynchronous orbit, and can be heard on various
VHF/UHF repeaters throughout the United States and Canada, as well
as on 160 meters at 1860 kHz.  Contact your local amateur radio club
or repeater operator if "This Week in Amateur Radio" is not being
heard in your area.
-
Production and transmission expenses are underwritten by
contributions from repeater system operators, amateur radio clubs,
and individuals.  For further information, contact George Bowen,
N2LQS, at 518/283-3665, or Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB, at
518/664-6809.  You may also reach them via amateur packet @
WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA or on the Internet to [e-mail]
or [e-mail].





From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Fritz)
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Hi y'all
        from an AP report in the (Manchester) New Hampshire Sunday News...
        "State police in New Hampshire knew something strange was going on
when they heard orders being drawled out over their radios. ...
        "An unusual weather pattern that stretched from the south plains of
Texas to the northeast is believed to have carried the the transmissions
from Lubbock's primary police dispatch frequency more than 2,000 miles to
New Hampshire.
        "Lubbock police had no idea what happened until they received an
unusual teletype bulletin at their communications center Wednesday.
        "'Good evening, Lubbock,' the message read. 'Just thought you'd like
to know how incredibly good your radio system is. You are sooo loud and
clear in New Hampshire that you are overriding our units.'"
        The story continues for two more paragraphs with an brief
explanation of what happened from the manager of Lubbock's radio shop.
        Were any readers of this news group able to take advantage of this
ducting?

        73 de N4JVP/NH
        Fritz

on a QSL to N4JVP from FO0SSJ "Oh to be in 4-land when 80 is open to
Asia..."



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:35 1995
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Date: 24 Jul 1995 11:26:55 GMT
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[e-mail] (Brian Carling) wrote:
>
>(stuff deleted)
>
>Did you read the latest QST? Guess what mode the two amateurs
>used to "break the sound barrier" at SHF Multi GHz frequencies for
>the first ever QSO at the ultra ultra high end of things?
>Good old MORSE CW! ...
>
>
I'd like to know more about this experiment. It takes some
time to access "QST" over here, so would somebody be so kind to
e-mail me the facts (frequency, locations of the stations and other
details of interest) or post them here into this newsgroup?

mni tnx & vy 73 de DG0LFH

Jan-Martin



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
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Date: 24 Jul 1995 13:56:41 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Jan-Martin Hertzsch) says:

>[e-mail] (Brian Carling) wrote:
>>
>>(stuff deleted)
>>
>>Did you read the latest QST? Guess what mode the two amateurs
>>used to "break the sound barrier" at SHF Multi GHz frequencies for
>>the first ever QSO at the ultra ultra high end of things?
>>Good old MORSE CW! ...
>>
>>
>I'd like to know more about this experiment. It takes some
>time to access "QST" over here, so would somebody be so kind to
>e-mail me the facts (frequency, locations of the stations and other
>details of interest) or post them here into this newsgroup?
>
>mni tnx & vy 73 de DG0LFH
>
>Jan-Martin
>
>

It's on page 14 of Aug 95 QST. There's a photo of Stu Hanebuth, KB0QXR
and Tim Koeth, N2LPN, of the Rutgers ham radio club, with their setup.

They had a QSO over a distance of 12 cm on the freq of 285.1 THz
(285,100,000,000 GHz) using small radioactive cesium-137 sources to emit
gamma waves.They used scintillation detectors and portable ratemeters as
receivers, and "keyed" them with a lead shield.

Now, that's DX!    :-)

As the caption ends, "Any challengers?"

                                        73, Zack W9SZ


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
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Subject: Re: ultra ultra high end (was:Re: CW an advantage for D)
Date: 24 Jul 1995 15:13:34 GMT
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>They had a QSO over a distance of 12 cm on the freq of 285.1 THz
>(285,100,000,000 GHz) using small radioactive cesium-137 sources to emit
>gamma waves.

Zack,


Wat sort of equipment would be needed to cover real DX?
Is there a risk of unwanted side effects? there are so
much fears about EMC recently...

Looks like they have been transmitting out of band though. I hope the
authorities are dealing with the matter. Or, if these frequencies are
free to use, this may be an option for a CB-allocation.

73, Moritz DL5UH





From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (TEIXEIRA)
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Subject: Updated Advanced Test Questions?
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Are the Updated Advanced test questions on the WEBB yet?

Don N6FNL


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Tracy)
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Date: 24 Jul 1995 11:16:34 -0400
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TEIXEIRA ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Are the Updated Advanced test questions on the WEBB yet?

Yup!  Check out the 'FTPable files' link on the ARRL page:

http://www.acs.oakland.edu

Navigate to the infoserver/vec directory and retrieve the advanced.new file.
(Note: the full path name is pub/hamradio/arrl/infoserver/vec, but you don't
need to know that to use the web access).

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Oops!  Make that:

http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc/arrl.html

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:42 1995
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Anyone heard any new dates on FCC610V availability???

"Some time in August" said our FCC office.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:43 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: What digital mode is on 10.130 MHz?
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 95 09:51:44 -0500
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WarrenRing <[e-mail]> writes:

>I got on HF a few months ago, armed with a new Kantronics KAM+,
>and found a digital mode transmission that I can't identify on
>10.130 MHz.  It's on the air from about 6 PM EDT to about 10 PM
>most evenings, a continuous broadcast, like a bulletin station,
>and I receive it S9.  Sometimes I pick up several of these
>transmissions on the same band going at once.  It sounds kind
>of like RTTY, but the two tones sound like they're an octave
>apart, going about 20 WPM.
>
>I've tried all different KAM modes (RTTY, HF Packet, CW, AMTOR,


>etc.) with all different shifts, inversions, and baud rates,
>and the KAM has never displayed anything that resembles plain text.
>
>This has stumped all the local experts, except one guy who said
>we are not the primary users of this band (30 meters), and thus it
>could be an alien (government) transmission.  Any ideas?
>
>Warren Ring
>AB6QE
>

 -
According to a listing I have, it's RBX73 Tashkent Meteo, UZ, URS, and
it's WX RTTY.
 -
I can't decode it either.
 -
Malcolm
KR4HP


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:45 1995
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (WarrenRing) says:
>
>I got on HF a few months ago, armed with a new Kantronics KAM+,
>and found a digital mode transmission that I can't identify on
>10.130 MHz.  It's on the air from about 6 PM EDT to about 10 PM
>most evenings, a continuous broadcast, like a bulletin station,
>and I receive it S9.  Sometimes I pick up several of these
>transmissions on the same band going at once.  It sounds kind
>of like RTTY, but the two tones sound like they're an octave
>apart, going about 20 WPM.
>
>I've tried all different KAM modes (RTTY, HF Packet, CW, AMTOR,
>etc.) with all different shifts, inversions, and baud rates,
>and the KAM has never displayed anything that resembles plain text.
>
>This has stumped all the local experts, except one guy who said
>we are not the primary users of this band (30 meters), and thus it
>could be an alien (government) transmission.  Any ideas?
>
>Warren Ring
>AB6QE
>
What your getting is APRS stations.  There is a nationwide network of
these stations on 30 meters.  You should be able to pick them up on
packet using 300 baud.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:46 1995
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Subject: Re: What digital mode is on 10.130 MHz?
Date: 24 Jul 1995 08:01:40 -0400
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APRS is at 10.150 Mhz.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (William R. Hester)
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Subject: Re: Yeasu FT2500 Comments
Date: 21 Jul 1995 16:56:04 -0600
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I have the predecessor FT-2400H model.

Actually I liked this radio so much that I
purchased 4 of them.

Only problem has been that the memory selection
sometimes skips over the next one when the
tuning knob is rotated.  This is more irritating
than a real problem.

The intermod rejection is outstanding...far better
than the Icom or Kenwood  units that were out at the
same time.  I tested several units and the intermod
would drive me crazy...only the FT-2400H would stay
quiet.  They advertise intermod rejection by using
a tracking tuned front end.  I assume the same system
is still used on the FT-2500 (they still advertise a
tracking system).

No other problems with any of my radios...they are
built like tanks on a rugged die cast aluminum
chassis/heat sink.  They use the same chassis as
their commercial radios.

Bill

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 24 22:38:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio)
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In article <3upba4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (William R.
Hester) writes: > I have the predecessor FT-2400H model.

>
> Actually I liked this radio so much that I
> purchased 4 of them.

I'll echo your sentiments about the radio but alas I sold mine awhile back to
buy my dual-band radio.
The things I liked about the radio - well.. the whole thing was great
including the fact that they put the microphone connector on the left side of
the radio - better for mobile installations.

> Only problem has been that the memory selection
> sometimes skips over the next one when the
> tuning knob is rotated.  This is more irritating
> than a real problem.

The FT-5100 and FT-5200 also have this peculiar quirk too. There's a mod you
can make to those radios to eliminate the problem.

> No other problems with any of my radios...they are
> built like tanks on a rugged die cast aluminum
> chassis/heat sink.  They use the same chassis as
> their commercial radios.

Yeah.. my FT-2400 has taken a couple of spills while in the hands of it's new
owner and still works like a charm as his packet station.

Tony

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== Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR
== [e-mail]
== Discontent is the first step in the progress of a man or a nation.


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May do some solo hiking in the southern part of the part next week
(want to join me?) and would appreciate it if anyone has actual
experience hitting 2M repeaters from there.  Thanks   Randy


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:39:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert C. Martin)
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[e-mail] (Jeff Kilgore) wrote:

>My sole experience with HRO (Virginia) was quite unpleasant. I mail-ordered
>a Kenwood TR-751A 2-meter multimode and had it shipped to where I worked
>at the time (ARRL HQ). When the unit arrived, it was obviously a used
>(and abused) unit. Nothing was sealed, several parts were missing, there
>were scratches on the case, and one of the case screws had a stripped head.
>When I called HRO to report this, they repeatedly insisted that it was
>a new unit. After much wrangling with no resolution or apology, I told them
>I was sending it back and expected a new unit immediately or a credit
>to my MC. I finally did receive a new unit after another week and a half,
>but they still insisted the first unit had been new and offered no
>apology.

>I will certainly never deal with HRO again. I do most of my buying
>from Austin Amateur Radio Supply. It's relativly close to home (about 25
>miles), the salespeople are friendly and competent, and they don't mind
>if I just come in to browse, which I frequently do. I have never dealt
>with them over the phone, but I am %100 pleased with their in-store
>service and attitude.

>73,
>Jeff, KC1MK

Boy, I think that I would have been a little upset if I had received a
used unit too!  However, I must say that my experiences with HRO have
been positive.  I live about 20 miles from their Portland, OR store,
and I go in about once every month or two.  They seem helpful when I
go in.  Also, they don't mind if you browse the store, and won't keep
bugging you if they can see that you are just looking!


______________
73,

Bob Martin N7JXN
[e-mail]

Author of the "North American Repeater Atlas" published by ARRL



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:39:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
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Jim Cummings ([e-mail]) wrote:
: gregory brown ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : Jim Cummings ([e-mail]) wrote:


: : : As the old adage goes - you can't work them if you can't hear them...

: : How about another adage: "You can't work them if they don't operate
: : your mode".  In this regard, Morse beats the daylights out of those
: : modes.  Technical superiority? Nah.  Current communications
: : superiority? Yup.

: Not that I have ever heard of that adage...

: I would recommend to all that they obtain the article and read the
: author's review.  I am sure you will agree that the author was categorical
: that the board was able to copy signals that he could not hear with his
: ear.

: Therefore, those claiming that CW is technically superior to digital
: communications are petulant, if not ignorant.

: 73 and live better digitally
: Jim, VE3XJ

Not only have you not heard that adage, Jim, you apparently don't even
understand it.  And since you were replying to my comments, I assumed
your reply would be relevant. I was not refering to the "technical
superiority" of CW (Thank goodness...I'd hate to be petulant and
ignorant!) I even accepted that it is not ("Technical
superiority? Nah).  My "adage" simply pointed out that if your intent
is to actually communicate with other amateurs, it is wise (superior?)
to use a mode other amateurs use. You may choose to hone the cutting
edge of technology (that is admirable), but others may choose to
optimize their ability to communicate with as large a cross-section of
hams as possible.  And it is as much in the interest of amateur radio to
encourage this ability as it is to encourage technical development.

Greg






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SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP032
ARLP032 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP01
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 32  ARLP032
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  July 28, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP032
ARLP032 Propagation de KT7H

Solar activity was down by a few points last week, with several days
of spotless Sun.  The sunspot number was zero on July 23, 24 and 25,
and solar flux was just below 70 all week.  The most unsettled
period was July 24, when the Boulder A index was 19, the Planetary A
index 28, and the highest K index was 5.

Solar flux is expected to stay fairly flat, but rise slowly toward a
broad peak around 85 from August 4 through 6.  Flux levels should be
back to current values after mid-August.  A recurring coronal hole
should bring stormy conditions around August 13.

Sunspot Numbers for July 20 through July 26 were 43, 26, 15, 0, 0, 0
and 11, with a mean of 13.6.  10.7 cm flux was 69.7, 68.5, 68.8,
68.5, 69.3, 69.7 and 69.4, with a mean of 69.1.

Path projection for this week is to Cocos-Keeling Island from
Southern California, Texas and Illinois.

For California, 80 meters should be open around 1200z and 40 meters
from 1100 to 1330.  Check 30 meters from 1030 to 1430 and 20 meters
around 0830 to 0930 and again from 1400 to 1700.

For Texas, check 30 meters from 1100 to 1230z, 20 meters from 1230
to 1430.

For Illinois, check 20 meters around 1300 to 1500z.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:39:45 1995
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[e-mail] (Len Winkler) writes:
>the all
>important common question..."will internet replace amateur radio?"

Hardly. One can assemble a transmitter from scrap parts and be on
the air in a matter of a couple hours communicating with another
ham in a jungle or on an island who might not have ever heard of
`internet.' And we won't receive the periodic `system down for
maintenance' message - if conditions get bad we can just change
bands.

Jeff NH6IL


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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
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Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:

: [e-mail] (Robert Schulz) wrote:

: >Well, as a local government employee, and the Asst Radio Officer of Yolo


: Are we required to salute a "radio officer?"

Does a communications officer outrank a radio officer?  Then ya gotta salute
me!

73 de Bill, KC7JSD
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:39:48 1995
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Jeff Stillinger ([e-mail]) wrote:
: The issue that I wanted to point out that in order to live in areas that have
: populations in the millions we MUST be willing to compromise.  Steve, what
: you seem to not realize is that ham radio is just that a hobby.  I could see

Hey!  Don't cuss like that ;-)

Seriously...yes it is a hobby...but it tends to be a dominating influence
on many of our lives.  I know alot of folks that define themselves
interms of this hobby. Thus...many of the decisions about how we
live our lives and the compromises we make are influenced by it.
It aint just a hobby...it's a way of life ;-)

: a unbending non-compromising attitude if ham radio was money in the bank.  It
: is not.  What hams fail to understand is that when they are looking for a
: house, it is up to them to research what, if any CC&R's would effect them.
: If they found CC&R's to be more than what they could handle, then DON'T BUY
: THE HOUSE!  Use your freedom of choice, and choose a neighborhood that will
: allow antennas and towers.  Let others use their right to choose a
: neighborhood free of towers.  The shoe is on both feet.  This is hard to
: understand, I hope that I can express myself typing.

I don't have a problem with what you say up to this point.

: As much as you as a
: ham has a right to construct a tower and beam, your neighbors have the right
: not to have towers in the neighborhood.

I do have a problem with this.  First...technically we don't have
a RIGHT as amateurs to put up towers(see Howard Vs. Burlingame for
a good discussion of this one.. ;-) On the other hand, we ARE
federally licensed.  This, plus PRB-1 forces local government to give
us special consideration.  As has also been stated many times, PRB-1, et al,
excludes CC&R's.  So for the time being...it does indeed mean buyer
beware.

On the other hand, I tend to be one of those that thinks a person's house
is their castle.  If I want to put up something on my roof(and it is legal
to do so...) then by-cracky...I'm gonna do it.  I like keeping good
relations with my neighbors...but at the same time, I  have my own
interests and pursuits...and that is a balancing act.  So, assuming
I'm not physically hurting my neighbor(sans RFI issues ;-) then
I DO have the moral ability in my own mind to put up the tower
regardless of the neighbors' opinion of same.

: Now point two. Towers,
: trashy front yards, bad paint, junkers in the
: driveway, and just plain dirty neighborhoods.  All of these effect property
: value, some more than others.  Simple fact, and any real estate agent will
: tell you this.

Well, no this isn't a simple fact.  I'll certainly go along with the
statement that unkempt, poorly maintained properties detract from the
value of a given house in a given neighborhood.  I've personally been
out with a real-estate appraiser many hundreds of times...so I know this
is taken into consideration.  I also know that real estate appraisers
don't take towers next door to a property into consideration when
determining the value of said property! So...if a real estate agent
told me that a tower does detract from the house value. I'd know said
real estate agent didn't know what they were talking about.

: Point three.  Safty.  I can provide pictures of towers and antennas that are
: falling down.  I beleive that the city of Orange made someone clean up the
: roof, as parts of the antennas where falling onto the freeway.  This ham more
: than likly NEVER did any periodic inspections on these antennas.  CC is the
: most important thing that hams can do.  As the posts above indicate, a short
: sighted pattern of thought can lead to disaster.  Wind is not the only enemy
: to antennas.  I will not go into detail about all of the bad things that can
: happen due to bad CC practice.

First. What does CC mean?

Secondly, I don't have any problems with safety requirements.  None at all.
In fact, I think it is appropriate and proper for cities to have building
code requirements that force some level of safety to be considered when
puting up structures.   On the other hand, I also think that this safety
review should be limited to the support structure, not the antenna that
goes on top of it.  (There is the logical exception that the city should
require that during the active lifetime of the structure, that it's
design limits may not be exceeded)  If I were in the act of putting
up a major tower, i.e. spending many thousands of dollars for same,
I don't want it to fall down either!  I should also protect against
access to the structure by children, etc.  These are all reasonable
concerns.

: I don't live there anymore, I live in a dorm at Edwards AFB in California.  I
: can't have antennas, but I feed my ham radio habbit with lots of 1200 Mhz DX
: accross the desert.  Thanks to everyone for expressing ideas, showing how
: diverse ham radio really is.  Good job!

: 73
: Jeff Stillinger - KB6IBB                              [e-mail]

73's de Steve KA6S


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In article <3vb36e$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (H.Shrikumar) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (H.Shrikumar)
>Subject: LORAN recievers .. Request vendor pointers.
>Date: 28 Jul 1995 16:27:57 GMT

>Hi,

>A pet project that I have at the back of my mind needs a cheap
>positioning system, and I am looking at Loran-C as being much better
>suited to my purpose than GPS.


I  disagree with your assesment.  Number 1, Loran is not significantly
cheaper than GPS.  You can pick up a GPS for as low as $300.  The lowest cost
Loran is around $200.  Number 2,  I have not seen a battery operated Loran.
Yes they operate on 13.8 v. but their current drain is probably too high.
Number 3, US Coast Guard is dropping off Loran service in not too distant
future.   Number 4, Loran does not have the coverage GPS has.   Number 5, how
did you determine Loran has better accuracy?

You can buy GPS receivers alone and program the logic yourself, several
manufacturers even make models that you can slide into a computer slot.


Good luck anyway.....

>And I want it to be small, as small as possible ... I will be wearing
>it on my hip all day (with my hp100lx) ! (Coming to think of that,
>maybe I should talk to some vendors who make migratory animal tracking
>gizmos that use Loran-C ... would be grateful for any phone numbers
>here!)

>Any Loran vendors I would benefit talking to ? I would be grateful for any
>phone numbers.
>Any tips ? Thanx in advance.



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:39:51 1995
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Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
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Tom Randolph ([e-mail]) wrote:

: In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Cummings) writes...
: >gregory brown ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >> How about another adage: "You can't work them if they don't operate
: >> your mode".  In this regard, Morse beats the daylights out of those
: >> modes.  Technical superiority? Nah.  Current communications
: >> superiority? Yup.
:    ...snip...
: >Therefore, those claiming that CW is technically superior to digital
: >communications are petulant, if not ignorant.

: Uh, folks, let's get a grip, shall we? Let me re-format:

:    gregory brown ([e-mail]) wrote:
:    Technical superiority? Nah.  Current communications superiority? Yup.

:    [e-mail] (Jim Cummings) writes...
:    Therefore, those claiming that CW is technically superior to digital
:    communications are petulant, if not ignorant.

: Nobody is claiming CW is technically superior.

On the contrary, that is often claimed by those who are pro-CW.  Just
re-read the above quote from Brown.

: We're trying to get the point
: across that for communicating with the majority of real HF stations, that exist
: and are operating NOW, CW beats the only other mode available to the majority
: of real HF stations.

It is a rather trivial to say if I only have CW and SSB, that CW is the
superior mode.  If that is your only criteria with what one has at hand,
there is no arguement.  However, that has not been the thread of these
discussions.  The thread has been an discussion of the superiority of one
mode over the other.  The fact that you or I or anyone else does not have
the capability to use that mode is irrelevant to the discussion.
However, if I argue the point the digital modes are superior, and you
argue otherwise because you do not have that equipment, your credibility
is in question.

: The fancy digital mode mentioned in the referenced article is nice, and I don't
: doubt its conclusions whatsoever. But if you'd like to make real contacts with
: real stations, 99.9% of whom don't run that fancy digital mode, you have two
: modes to choose from: SSB and CW.

Again, you are bringing in factors to the discussion that are hardly
relevant.  Indeed, if I have Amtor capabilities, and you do not, then we
will be unable to communciate in that mode.  Although you may believe
that CW is superior, because you have no experience with digital modes,
you are entitled to your beliefs, but your beliefs have little bearing
which mode is superior.

: >Insert comments about quaint, backward, antiquated hams holding up progress
: here<

I can't be bothered.  If the pro-CW crowd has quaint, backward, and
antiquated ideas, they are welcomed to them.  It matters nothing to me if
they have those beliefs.  However, I am entitled to argue that their
beliefs are no longer justified.  If they insist on continuing with their
beliefs, again, they are perfectly entitled to do so.

: Maybe I'm breaking some big news here, but this is a *hobby* to a great many of
: us. We don't have thousands of dollars to throw at it just because someone
: invents a new mode and thinks we should all use it too. Some folks at some
: places in the world couldn't get the stuff if they had the money and wanted to
: spend it. Some folks just plain aren't interested in having their computer talk
: to someone else's computer, while both operators are out painting the house.

Again, the economic argument is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

: >Insert comments about commercial communications leaving us in the dust and
: taking away our spectrum here<

Why?  How is that relevant?

: -Tom R.   N1OOQ   [e-mail]

73 and live better digitally
Jim, VE3XJ




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Is HAMWINDOWS software any good ? I will be getting a TS-450s/AT  & wanted
to use some software to control it.
Thanks !


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:39:53 1995
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Subir Kumar Biswas ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Hello,

: I want some starter information about how to
: get a license and what test I need to take for
: that etc. Is there any FAQ or WWW site available?

See http://www.acs.ncsu.edu/HamRadio/ for lots of background info,
including question pools for ham license exams.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Price, ARS N3QYE                         Don't blame me.
[e-mail]                  I voted for Emma Goldman.



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From: [e-mail] (John LaMartina)
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Subject: Re: 146MHz in a '95 BMW--Problems??
Date: 28 Jul 1995 22:04:18 -0400
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Gamble, Benjamin B. ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Howdy:
:       I just bought a '95 BMW 525i & I want to install a TM-241A in the trunk
: & mount an antenna on the trunk.  Does anyone know if this will harm the
: electronics of the car [adversely, ala Camry]. Any input will be much
: appreciated.
: ben   kd4umt
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Ground, Ground, Ground..........

Todays cars are mostly plastic inside.  I've seen rigs Velcro'd to dash
boards and run to 'thru the glass' antennas, where the only ground
is the 12 vdc line.  In some rigs, the 12 vdc line is a 'floating' ground.
In these cases, you may still be able to hit the local repeaters,
but there's as much RF IN your car than going thru the antenna.

Always run a REAL ground strap from the rig to the chassis of the car.
Especially if you run a mag mount antenna. (Magnets thru paint aren't
   considered ground)

GOOD LUCK !       -= 73 =-  john  k3nxu   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:39:54 1995
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Come in and check out the all new HOBBY HOLE BBS. The Home of the IMAC flying
club (Islanders Model Airplane Club). Also the home of the AMA NY Road Riding
Club. Areas for club files and messages. File areas for games and many other
type of files.
Scale Model, Automotive, Ham Radio, Brewing, home recording and more.
Users hosting each area.

The Hobby Hole maybe able to Host your Club too. Login in and leave a message.
All users welcome, even if you dont have anyother hobby other then computers!
Adult areas availble for anyone over 21.

516 696 2393    The HOBBY HOLE.

Hope to see you down at the Hole.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:39:55 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Well I use a special theft cable system that has a small plate glued to the
radio and another plate glued to some part of the car and fixed with a small
lock.  The thief would need to bring bolt cutters to get the radio. PLUS it
will slow him down some. Time is important.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:39:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (CHRIS CONKLIN (N0PAV))
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Subject: Re: Thermostat for repeater?
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In article <3v8rus$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (James Holtzman) writes:
> There is a very common thermostat used in equipment and appliances made
> by a company called Clickson, or Klixson.  I don't know the correct
> spelling.  I tried to find them in EEM and was unable to.  Try an appliance
> repair parts store.  They are used in attic fans, home heating equipment,
> etc.  It is a small module, about the size of a small piece of candy.
> They are available in a variety of temperatures.  I have never seen one
> variable.  They can be made to be normally open or normally closed.

An earlier suggestion towards Grainger Supply Co. should work- about 1-1/2
years ago they had 110F-on switches (95 or so off on downward swing) for around
$7.  They were the standard 1" or so package, and rated for 110VAC or more- but
worked equally well for a portable project with a 12vdc fan.

A local heating supply store in my area *does* sell variable temp units that
cover a closed circuit when temp rises to 90 to 120 (adjustable via knob) and
turn off when temp drops about 20F below the on temp.  Only problem: somebody
last month went after one to find they had increased from $11 to $18 apiece
---Ouch!  But they do work for repeaters quite well.  Worst case, I can give
you their phone # address if Grainger or Newarks doesn't stock any variable
temp units, or worse yet they want more than $18. (God forbid!!)

========================================================================
Christopher Conklin
Public Policy Masters Student: University of Northern Iowa
Net:[e-mail]

Amateur Radio voice: 444.650Mhz n0pav/rpt
========================================================================


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:39:56 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: HELP  WANTED: Atlanta Car Ant System
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 23:11:20 -0400
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I am looking for someone who can check out my new 2m car ant system and radio.
I think the radio gets too hot, maybe because of a high SWR or bad connections.
I don't have the equipment and desire to do it myself.

Perhaps someone would like to work part-time with me installing auto ham
systems for hams.

Am in Atlanta ... if this works I will expand to other cities.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:39:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Braun)
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In Article <3v8otj$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (WB3U) writes:

>    [e-mail] (Thomas Randall) wrote:
> >Also for the computer there is "Supermorse", not sure where on the net it
> >is though.
>
> I posted the address a few days ago, but I don't have it handy.  You can
> find it with Archie - search for SM415.EXE.
>
> As someone else pointed out, this is a great Morse program, but it *is*
> Shareware, not Freeware.  The author(s) deserve payment if you keep it.
>
You might also want to consider Morse Academy, downloadable from the ARRL
board as well as CompuServe, which IS freeware.  Some Tech Plus friends of
mine who currently are struggling with 13 wpm (and will probably make it
soon since they are on HF almost daily) say that the CW put out by MA
sounds more like what is on the actual exams than does SuperMorse.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
*  Alan Braun MD, NS0B/V31EV  *   Internet: [e-mail]      *
*  Jefferson City, MO         *   Packet: NS0B@N0LBA.#cemo.mo.usa.noam  *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:39:58 1995
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Subject: This Week in Amateur Radio #122 (for air through 8/4/95)
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Here is a summary of news items covered on edition #122 of "This
Week in Amateur Radio", North America's satellite-delivered audio
bulletin service, for the week ending 4-Aug:
-
1.   ARRL Board Meets in Connecticut, Announces Award Winners
2.   Foundation for Amateur Radio Presents 55 Scholarships
3.   FCC Releases New Consumer RF Interference Handbook
4.   White "FAXed" FCC Forms 610 Now Accepted by Commission
5.   League Presses Commission to Institute Amateur "Permit"
6.   "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
7.   Noted California Microwave Pioneer Becomes a Silent Key
8.   "Amateur Radio Newsline" - Edition #937 from Los Angeles
9.   Upcoming Special Event Stations with George Bowen, N2LQS
10.  Weekly Propagation Forecast
11.  "The RAIN Dial-up" from Chicago
-
Satellite time and uplink equipment have been provided by SKYVISION
as a service to the amateur radio community.  Funding for the
program's transmission and production expenses was provided by a
grant from the Hiawatha Amateur Radio Club of Marquette, Michigan.
Funding to access "The RAIN Dial-up" was provided by a grant from
the Eastern New York Chapter 95 of the Quarter Century Wireless
Association.
-
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is a weekly amateur radio news and
information service, in audio newsmagazine format, which is produced
by Community Video Associates, Inc., a New York State not-for-profit
corporation based in Albany, New York.  The program is carried on
the "Tech Talk Network" each Saturday at 7:30 PM (EDT) on the
Telstar 302 commercial communications satellite, transponder 21
(11V), 5.8 MHz wideband audio (4.120 GHz), located at 85 degrees
west longitude in geosynchronous orbit, and can be heard on various
VHF/UHF repeaters throughout the United States and Canada, as well
as on 160 meters at 1860 kHz.  Contact your local amateur radio club
or repeater operator if "This Week in Amateur Radio" is not being
heard in your area.
-
Production and transmission expenses are underwritten by
contributions from repeater system operators, amateur radio clubs,
and individuals.  For further information, contact George Bowen,
N2LQS, at 518/283-3665, or Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB, at
518/664-6809.  You may also reach them via amateur packet @
WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA or on the Internet to [e-mail]
or [e-mail].



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:39:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (J M Mlynarik)
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Subject: Re: Help : I need a transistor 2SC1791
Date: 29 Jul 1995 00:18:45 GMT
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I had trouble getting thid to you via. e-mail so I posted it to the
newsgroup.


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In article <3vanb2$[e-mail]> you write:
>Marinus Willemstijn <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Can anyone please help me. Someone is fixing my rig (A FDK Multi 750E - 2m)
>> and apparently the driver transistor is at fault. It is the 2SC1791. I cannot
>> find it anywhere in South Africa and it seems like there is no
>> equivalent.
>>
>> Please send me a email or respond via this newsgroup. Or write a letter
>> to PO Box 81846, Doornpoort, 0017, Rep of South Africa.
>>
>>
>> Marinus Willemstijn ZS6MAW
>> Voice : [phone]
>> Fax : [phone]
>> eMail : [e-mail]
>
>
>This is the wrong transistor it is actually a 2SC1729.
>Sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is an equivalent EEG semiconductor.  2SC1729 => EEG344
The specs. are: NPN-Si, RF PO, 136-174 MHz, 30W
                BVcbo=35v, BVceo=17v, BVebo=4v, Ic=4a, Pd=50w
                hfe=50typ, Case=RF-28F6

Phillips ECG, Inc.
Distributer and Special Markets Div.
1025 Westminister Drive
P.O. Box 3277
Williamsport, PA 17701

also:

EEG Canada Inc.
Electronic Components
1928 St. Regis Boulevard
Dorval, Quebec H9P 1H6

I am sorry I don't have an address for one near you.  Check if your
local distributer can get EEG.  EEG is a North American Phillips Company.
Good luck!
                                Marty
                                K9ICQ


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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
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Subject: Re: Handheld radio harness?
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Sara Roberts <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I need to carry a handheld radio whilst skiing/bicycling. Preferably under
>the neck or the side of torso.
>
>Any advice appreciated on a suitable harness.

  There is a harness somewhat like this sold in American ham radio
magazines.  It uses a nylon pad on the chest and the radio is strapped
on it with velco.  Shoulder straps secure the holding pad.
  If you need an address, I'll try to dig it out for you.
73,

=========Opinions expressed are solely those of the author============
Curt Phillips, KD4YU (ex-WB4LHI)      | "Computer users will need a
[e-mail]   | mouse when they grow a third
Chairman, Tarheel Scanner/SWL Group   |  --President of Wordstar
ARRL Life; QCWA; Raleigh Am Radio Soc |                   circa 1983




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
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Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
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   [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus) wrote:

>  If the person has done their time and is attempting to reassimilate back
>  into society, why would you want to stop them?

Theoretically, once punishment is over, rights should be restored.
Otherwise, we are condemning everyone convicted of a crime to punishment
much more sever than that prescribed by law.

On the other hand, given the (often) light sentences and early release
programs now in abundance, I'm not so sure the lengths of incarceration
meet the original definitions.

I agree with you regarding reassimilation, but I also worry that recent
trends put the rest of us at greater risk.

73,

Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Ennes)
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Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Date: 29 Jul 1995 01:51:50 GMT
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Is there anything on the questionare asking the question.  In Washington
an ex-felon can get a real estate license so why not a ham license?

N7DTD



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From: [e-mail] (Dave Ennes)
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Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
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I see nothing wrong with a felon getting a ham license.  Might get him
interested in something other than being a felon!

N7DTD



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
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Subject: Re: CCR restrictions (was Re: Local Antenna Restrictions)
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The bottom line to this discussion is that CCR's are private, legal
agreements between buyer and seller.  Regardless of any other fact,
property values, location, curb appeal, etc., etc., the agreement is
voluntary on the part of the buyer and he can walk away at any time.

The only complaint anyone should have with this is that the CCR's are not
conveniently available when house-hunting, and that the need to review the
documents can slow the process considerably.  Realtors seldom appreciate
the need to do this and certainly prefer not to deal with such complication
if it can be avoided.

As a final note, those who think the restrictions are unreasonable should
ask themselves why the developers do it?  Personally, I think it's a small
leap of faith to accept the concept that large metal structures and other
oddities in the subdivision *can* slow sales and place the investors at
risk.

73,

Jack  WB3U


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From: [e-mail] (Dave Ennes)
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Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
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I see nothing wrong with a felon getting a ham license.  Might get him
interested in something other than being a felon!

N7DTD



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From: [e-mail] (Derek Wills)
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Subject: Felons, ex- and otherwise
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   Why should a bank robber or murderer not be welcome to the
ranks of amateur radio, anyway?   We already have Republicans
and NRA members, and even lawyers are allowed licenses.   What
do these other aspects of their lives have to do with their right
to contest, ragchew or join RACES if they have passed the relevant
license exams?

Derek Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
Department of Astronomy, University of Texas,
Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (michael silva)
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Subject: Re: Radio Shack selling Outdated Adv. Test book
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In <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Ken Thompson) writes:

>>: an out of date book, fine.  If it is misrepresented, then that is
not fine.
>
>>        Well, the date _is_ printed on the cover...
>
>
>but the expiration date is not.

While in a RS today I looked at one of the offending books and it had
the question pool "expiration date" on a bright stripe across the
cover.

Mike, KK6GM



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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
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Subject: Re: Handheld radio harness?
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[e-mail] (Curt Phillips) wrote:
>Sara Roberts <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I need to carry a handheld radio whilst skiing/bicycling. Preferably under
>>the neck or the side of torso.

>>Any advice appreciated on a suitable harness.

>  There is a harness somewhat like this sold in American ham radio
>magazines.  It uses a nylon pad on the chest and the radio is strapped
>on it with velco.  Shoulder straps secure the holding pad.

  I just came across the ad in 73 magazine.  It's called the "Rescue
Pouch".  The cost is US$31 plus shipping.  It's sold by
Antennas West
Box 50062
Provo, UT 84605 USA

You can mail them for info.

=========Opinions expressed are solely those of the author============
Curt Phillips, KD4YU (ex-WB4LHI)      | "Computer users will need a
[e-mail]   | mouse when they grow a third
Chairman, Tarheel Scanner/SWL Group   |  --President of Wordstar
ARRL Life; QCWA; Raleigh Am Radio Soc |                   circa 1983



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:08 1995
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From: Gareth Crispell <[e-mail]>
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  Use my number as one of your 10 if you want, no one will know
>the difference!  Good luck.

He will know the difference and so will you. Is it all right to cheat on
those last few VP numbers since no one will know the difference?

N1MSV
10x 63961
VP  2812

--






                 ..as for the mysteries of the
                Universe...they knew them not...


  And in the time of their visitation they shall shine, and run
  to and fro like sparks among the stubble.

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       To enjoy the fascinating hobby of HAM RADIO, You must be
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Subject: Re: Felons, ex- and otherwise
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Derek Wills <[e-mail]> writes:

>ranks of amateur radio, anyway?   We already have Republicans

Be nice to Republicans, You might have to ask one for a job someday.


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From: [e-mail] (Ken..KB1AWV)
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Subject: Recommended First SWL radio
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It does not have to be expensive to begin SWL.  You can go cheap first
and find out if you really like it.  I recommend flea markets.  I see
real nice ham and swl rigs almost every other week at the local flea
market.  Expect to pay from $5-$25. Don't pay much more...talk them down.
Be sure that you can test it first.  Bring a short (6 ft) length of wire
and a screwdrive with you so you can attach an antenna when you make the
test.
My latest score at the Brimfield, Mass  antique flea market:
RC      1937 RCA 811K Console (floor model) in great shape (some scratches)
       ...includes magic eye tuner...$30. Works fine...seller said it
       did not work.  I just cleaned tubes and chasis and added an antenna!
        I get all the international broadcasters...sounds & looks great!
73...KB1AWV


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[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:
Regardless of any other fact,
>property values, location, curb appeal, etc., etc., the agreement is
>voluntary on the part of the buyer and he can walk away at any time.

I've missed most of this discussion, but there was an interesting piece
on National Public Radio the other morning on the subject.

The premise was that basically Homeowners Associations are a powerful
"local government", with the ability to tax (association dues),
regulate behavior (no Pick'em trucks -- oh, heavens, ruin the
neighborhood) ... well, you guys know the drill.  In many ways they
have more power than your local government does.  Paint your door?
Some little biddy doesn't like the color?  Refuse to change the color?
Heck, many of these groups have the right to sell your house out from
under you to pay the cost of repainting the door themselves.

There's a growing movement among a host of "interest groups" to
attempt to control everyone else's behavior and rights.  It ranges
from CCR issues, to religious groups, environmental groups, anti-smoking
coalitions, on and on and on and on.  There seems to be some perverse
gratification from being able to control everyone else -- to force them
to do or not do whatever YOU think the other guy shouldn't do or
should do.  Its getting to the point of absurdity.  There are plenty
of examples right here in our own (great) hobby

(I've always found it a bit humorous that the members of the anti-smoking
movement in the LA basin feel good about not having someone
smoke a cigarette on their sidewalk anywhere near THEM.  Then they
think nothing of walking out onto that sidewalk and actually BREATHING
THE AIR.  There's a real problem of priority here somewhere ......  )
{ducking and running  :-) }

And so it goes.  And it just keeps getting worse.

Grant/NQ5T



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for DXCC?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Cummings) writes:
>Rajiv Dewan ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Let me address the remark about HAL P38 about decoding messages that
>: we cannot hear.  We cannot hear the radio waves directly either.  We
>: have to use receivers to do that.  If we really want to compare apples
>: to apples, how about a receiver with a filter and discriminator like the
>: ones in P38 but for CW,  regenrate a tone and let the brain decode the CW.
>: Don't you think that this combo do better at CW than the P38 at RTTY?
>
>No.  The author of the review stated that the P38 board had processed,
>detected and decoded these signals and printed them on his screen.  Yet,
>he himself could not hear those same RTTY signals after the same
>processing and detecting.  Since the P38 could decode RTTY signals that
>could not be heard by the human ear, it follows that Morse code signals
>would not be decoded because indeed the human ear would just hear noise.

No. The article didn't say *that*. As far as I know, there is no
audio monitoring point on the P-38. I'm confident the reviewer was
saying he couldn't hear the RTTY *from the radio speaker*. However,
I also expect (I don't have one yet so I can't say positively) that
the P-38 is far more than a matched filter and a slicer. If that's all
it is, then it isn't achieving anywhere near what is possible. I
expect it is exploiting the coherent correlations in the encoding,
likely using oversampled sigma-delta integrate and dump techniques.
That can offer real decoding gain with a uniform element code.
It doesn't help Morse, because Morse isn't a uniform code.

Let me reiterate, machines are not better than alert, attentive,
highly trained human Morse operators at decoding Morse code.
They can be as good (though most of the junk sold to amateurs
*isn't*), but not better than the best human operators operating
at their best (though that's not something a human operator
can do for long, but that a machine can do 7x24). Of course,
that puts machines well ahead of the average amateur operator, but
put that aside. Where the machines shine is with encodings that
are better than Morse (and frankly most are). Humans have problems
with uniform code recognition, and humans can't do the sigma-delta
correlations that machines can do on coherent uniform codes.

The real improvement comes from the better *codes* not from just
replacing the human with a machine. We only have to use machines
because humans can't cope with the better codes. If humans could
decode trellis codings in their heads, then we wouldn't need
machines to do it, and weak signal performance would *still*
be dramatically improved over OOK Morse encoding. It's the code
that makes the improvements possible.

The brain is a marvelous adaptive matched filter. That's why
skilled Morse operators can copy signals that are in the noise
floor of a 500 Hz filter. Their brains are simulating a matched
filter approaching the actual 35 Hz (average) bandwidth of the
signal. But average matched filters aren't sufficient for really
weak signal work. To do really weak signals, a better code is needed
that allows exploitation of other information included in the
encoding; phase, timing, etc. The human ear is practically
phase deaf, has only crude absolute pitch resolution, and
humans' sense of timing is crude at best, certainly far from
sub-millisecond resolution. That's where the human loses to
the machine, when the codings contain information a machine
can easily extract, but that the human cannot resolve. It's
that extra information that yields decoding gain. It's a
direct consequence of Shannon's information theorem.

C=B*ln(1+S/N)  transforms to   S/N=exp(C/B)-1

What that tells us is that the more information we can extract
from an encoding about its symbols, the higher the effective SNR
will be. So a coding that is information rich in the sense of
offering more clues to whether a symbol is a 1 or a 0 gives us a
coding gain, *if we can extract those clues*. Machines can from
uniform coherent codes, humans by and large can't.

Uniform coherent codes have another advantage over non-uniform
codes like Morse. Their spectra is discrete. The OOK Morse spectrum
is a hodgepodge, consisting of incoherent dot, dash, intra-element
space, inter-element space, and word space durations, all mixed
with no a priori order. A uniform coherent code has precisely two
discrete states (to the first order). This means a perfect matched
filter can be used on a uniform coherent code. A perfect matched
filter is impossible for Morse because the spectrum varies depending
on what is being *spelled*. The receiver has no a priori knowledge
of that (that's the information it's trying to figure out), so the
receiver can't construct a perfect matched filter for the modulation,
and Shannon's Theorem says the effective SNR declines in such a case.

This is all rather basic information theory, as it applies to
communications systems. It's something every ham should know
deep down in his gut. But, like the idea that Morse is language,
rather than what is being *spelled* in Morse being (some) language,
this is something that many hams obviously do *not* know  So we
still see Morse being touted for "getting through when nothing
else will" from time to time.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for DXCC?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <3v5kec$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Shawn C. Masters) writes:
>Rajiv Dewan ([e-mail]) wrote:
>:   (2) CW gets the human brain invoved in decoding at a fairly elemental
>:       level ( unless you try decoding RTTY by sound - not hard but
>:        hardly worth the effort )
>
>       What does this mean?  Elemental level?  Are the proponents of CW
>now going to say that their only exist five elements, wind, fire, water,
>earth and CW?

I love it! That isn't what he's saying, however. Suppose I received
THE  .-. .. --#  HR IS. I'm not going to think it says THE RIM HR IS.
That nasty static crash took out the last element of the letter G,
so I'm going to know it should read THE RIG HR IS. Now one could
*assume* that from QSO English context, but knowing that static
crash obliterated the last element of the character in question is a
bit of elemental knowledge we wouldn't have looking only at the
printed text. Since we know the last element was trashed, and since
we know that the only three element letters begining with -- are
--- and --. , we've shrunk the universe of possible answers to only
two, O or G. Without that extra elemental knowledge, we might assume
the missing element was at the front, giving us O or W. Now we know
thanks to elemental knowledge the sentence fragment must read either
THE RIO HR IS, which makes no sense, or that it reads THE RIG HR IS
which does in the context of QSO English. Without elemental knowledge,
we must also include the possibility that the fragment reads THE RIW
HR IS. Which in this case makes no sense in QSO English either, but
could make sense if the crash had taken out an element in another
context.

Fortunately, machines can also use this information. In the coding
scheme proposed by Karn, the static crash would generate a bit of
knowledge called an erasure bit. Thus the elemental clue would be
preserved for later contextual analysis. In the case of Karn's
scheme, this elemental clue is passed to the FEC algorithm, simplfying
its job of identifying and correcting the erroneous element.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
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In article <3vb7is$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Zack Widup) writes:
>In a previous article, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) says:
>(stuff deleted)
>>Note, once as a child I found Donald Duck charming, but his occasional
>>temper tantrums were annoying. As an adolescent, I cheered for Wiley
>>Coyote against Road Runner's infernal beeping. At least Wiley had
>>*enterprise*. Now as I grow old, I find inoffensive little Jiminy
>>Cricket the best friend of all. His soft chirps penetrate where no
>>loud beeps or quacks can go. Joined by his growing host of friends,
>>his music has become a symphony to those knowledgeable enough to
>>listen.
>
>
>You folks have been at this argument for months now. Don't you have
>anything better to do? It's getting pretty boring.
>
>I assume you got ham licenses so you could get on the air. So GET ON THE
>AIR...whatever your favorite mode happens to be ... and use it!

Hey, be thankful we aren't talking about our gall bladder operations
like some old wheezers do ON THE AIR. You'd turn the dial if you found
that boring there. Here just hit the 'n' key (but not before reading
my latest post, it's good). We can't carry out these discussions on
the air because we don't share common modes (that we're willing to
use) there.

And BTW, I've been a busy little bee this evening, having several
intersting chats on the other screen ON THE AIR with those folks
down under, and on the *other* screen with some folks across town.
Love those VTs. Can't you multitask?

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:18 1995
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[e-mail] (David R Tucker) wrote:
>Curtis Wheeler ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>: Regardless of the "scientific" evidence Steve claims to have saying
>: that towers do not effect property value - towers effect the "curb
>: appeal" of home.  The appearance or condition of one home CAN effect
>: the value of the house next door - ask a realtor.  This is especially
>: true of condos and townhomes where you may have your own yard but the
>: units are attached.
>
>Wait a minute ... you, your neighbors, and your real estate agent all
>"know" towers (not "appearance or condition" in general) affect values
>(not "curb appeal" but sale prices) of neighboring properties -
>*regardless* of any scientific evidence?  Wow.
>
>I'm sorry, but I find evidence more convincing than I find the "it
>fits our prejudices, so it must be true" sort of argument"

Sorry Dave - you're living in dreamland.. I have gotten active
in "Block Watch" recently, and none of my fellow neighbors
found my 40 ft. tower and tri-bander to be "attractive"...
I personally LOVE to go out and just stand there admiring it,
but for some odd reason they don't have the same appreciation
of alunimium I do.  I suspect this is a universal trait!

73/Regards
Gary


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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Perseids Meteor Shower Test
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <3vb6f5$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stan Horzepa) writes:
>NATIONWIDE 2 METER METEOR SHOWER TEST 11-15 AUGUST
>
>W0RPK and K1HTV did make a successful 2 meter packet contact in 1984 over
>about a 1000 mile path, but it took 2.5 hours of constant packets.
>Hopefully by having hundreds of transmitters, and hundreds of receivers,
>we can improve the statistics.  The best time for meteors is in the early
>mornings from 0400 to 0800 LOCAL time.  But it is not much worse the rest
>of the day...

BTW, best success will be had with the beam pointing through the
radiant of a shower, or toward the dawn line in early morning.
That's when your beam's conic will intersect the largest number
of meteor trails. Low gain antennas will work best, about a 60
degree beamwidth is near optimum to illuminate the most likely
shared volume with your intended recipient.

You'll also do better if you string several frames together in
one burst. The odds are that when a trail appears it will occur
during a frame, which will then be discarded, but if you have
several frames in flight, one or more should "hit the window"
offered by the trail. You might want to turn PASSALL on in your
TNC to see these partial frames.

Most trails at 2 meters will, unfortunately, be underdense, so
expect noisy signals most of the time. Things will be better on
6 meters. Toward dawn, the meteors will hit the Earth at highest
velocity (combination of their intrinsic plus the Earth's orbital
velocity) so you'll likely have some nice dense trails that will
produce "clear as a bell" signals.

Good luck, and watch for KE4ZV.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:20 1995
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Derek.. What's a "big-gun" DX'er like you doing here - don't
forget to include in the "republicans, robbers, etc" imported
Brits!!  :)
73/DX


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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tony Smithson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Date: 29 Jul 1995 04:30:57 GMT
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In article <3va5fm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (BillWA6ITF) says:
>
>     I think that the real question should be:  "Do we as as a community
>of licensed and law abiding radio amateurs want to see ex-felons granted
>radio licenses?"

I think the more suitable question is why should we continue to penalize
someone who has paid his debt to society (assuming that he has done so)?

People change, people do stupid things, but what does any of that have to
do with whether someone is _worthy_ of possessing an amateur radio
license?

FWIW & MOO

Tony,
KN4TX


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for DXCC?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Cummings) writes:
>Rajiv Dewan ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: I was focussing in on the ability of the brain to copy signals that
>: has significant QRM and not just the weak signal copying ability.
>: This situation is not just lower signal to noise ration as the noise in the
>: case of QRM looks similar to the signal in more ways than white noise
>: does.  It is harder to discriminate signal from QRM than from QRN
>: and so the processing benefits more from getting a human with extensive
>: domain knowledge involvede earlier in the decoding process.
>
>Balderdash.  Interference is interference, regardless of its source.  It
>is not hard to see that there would be the opposite effects under other
>conditions.

Well, interference is *different* from gaussian white noise, but information
theory tells us that GWN is the *worst* case (for a given SNR). In either
case, matched filters do the best job possible of rejecting interference or
noise occurring outside the instantaneous spectrum of the signal. Detectors
that can switch between mark-not-space, space-not-mark, mark-only, and
space-only will work better against discrete interference than against GWN.
What matters is the SNR in the match filtered channel. There's always GWN
there, but interference usually won't hit *all* of the signal spectrum at
once like GWN does, and so can be rejected by a smart detector.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Little)
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Subject: Re: CCR restrictions (was Re: Local Antenna Restrictions)
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In article <3vaub2$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Frank Adrian) wrote:

> Todd Little ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : Those codes ensure the safety based upon sound
> : engineering practices as opposed to aesthetically motivated nonsense.
>
> Since you believe that aesthetics are nonsense, I hereby sentence you
> to either (a) building a new house next door to a waste transfer station,
> (b) watching Madonna videos continuously for the next year or
> (c) eating at a McDonalds for the rest of your life.

Why stop at a waste transfer station?  Why not make it a nuclear waste
disposal station?

> In the final analysis, it is aesthetics which determine the quality of
> our lives.

The problem with using aesthetics to determine "rights" is what
principals do you apply to determine the extent to which aesthetics
can be imposed?  I find bell bottom jeans unaesthetic.  Does that
mean it is reasonable to write a CC&R that prohibits bell bottoms?

> Aesthetics are NOT nonsense.  The aesthetic sensibility is probably the
> only thing that is uniquely human.  In denying aesthetics, you are denying
> your own humanity.  Go back to the jungle and live with your ape cousins,
> Monkey-Boy - they won't care if you build a tower.

The only thing that is uniquely human?  What a stretch.  For someone that
claims to do object analysis and design, you have an amazing ability to
exclude relevent domains from your analysis.  If aesthetics were so unique
and important, why didn't our founding fathers feel the need to protect
them in the Constitution?  Because aesthetic arguments subject one to
the whims of those in power.  Perhaps that's why they felt the need to
explicitly spell out a long list of rights that are inalieable.  They defined and
used a set of principles to make those decisions instead of popular fashion
which is generally all aesthetic arguments often amount to.

73,
Todd
N9MWB

PS      "Monkey-Boy"?  How cute.  Would you like to insult my mother while
        you're at it?  Or perhaps you'd like to have your father beat up
        my father?  Good grief!  I find your aesthetically displeasing, perhaps
        you should be tried for that and executed.  ;-)



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From: [e-mail] (Allen F. Corrigan)
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Subject: Mission Priest needs Internet
Date: 29 Jul 1995 05:33:04 GMT
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Any idea how a priest in El Salvador can be on line via ham radio?

Allen

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From: Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:

>The only complaint anyone should have with this is that the CCR's are not
>conveniently available when house-hunting, and that the need to review the
>documents can slow the process considerably.  Realtors seldom appreciate
>the need to do this and certainly prefer not to deal with such complication
>if it can be avoided.

Any realtor or seller that doesn't ensure you are aware of CC&Rs and
provide them to you is irresponsible.  I was told of the CC&Rs on my
property and had to reveiw them.  The seller's agent had me initial each of
all 30 pages of them.  If there was anything I couldn't live with, I had
the right to call it off.

They are not a petty item.  Sellers can be sued for not dislosing them.

A buyer that doesn't ask about them is ignorant.  If the buyer's, or
potential buyer's agent doesn't get them, he is incompetent.

--
Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert C. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is HAMWINDOWS software any good ?
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[e-mail] (BUDDY10) wrote:

>Is HAMWINDOWS software any good ? I will be getting a TS-450s/AT  & wanted
>to use some software to control it.
>Thanks !


I'll start by stating that this is only MY OPINION!  I bought
HamWindows software a couple years ago, and it has been nothing but a
pain in the a**!  It crashes regularly, the features are difficult or
impossible to use.  The documentation is POOR.  There is little or no
support.   I could go on and on, but I think you get my drift.

______________
73,

Bob Martin N7JXN
[e-mail]

Author of the "North American Repeater Atlas" published by ARRL



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:26 1995
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        If you have a shortwave radio and a Windows(tm) compatible
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for you in real-time. No special hardware is required.

        Cwave is shareware, and available for FTP.  The FTP server is
'ftp.eskimo.com' or '204.122.16.4'.  The directory is /u/p/pika/cwave.

-Pika Software





From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:28 1995
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   Curtis Wheeler <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Any realtor or seller that doesn't ensure you are aware of CC&Rs and
>provide them to you is irresponsible.  I was told of the CC&Rs on my
>property and had to reveiw them.  The seller's agent had me initial each
>of all 30 pages of them.  If there was anything I couldn't live with, I
>had the right to call it off.

This must vary considerably from one area of the country to another.  I've
looked at property in both Texas and Pennsylvania, and the "standard" sale
contracts used to make a binding offer have no accomodations for
unacceptable CC&R's.  If the Buyer makes an offer and the Seller accepts,
both are (generally speaking) obligated to complete the sale.

>They are not a petty item.  Sellers can be sued for not dislosing them.

I don't know if that's true in PA and TX or not.  I do know that such
disclosure isn't required to be made before the potential Buyer tenders an
offer, and that's the point at which most people get "stuck".

>A buyer that doesn't ask about them is ignorant.  If the buyer's, or
>potential buyer's agent doesn't get them, he is incompetent.

In the States I'm familiar with, it is routine for the Buyer to make use of
the Seller's agent, rather than hiring an agent of his own.  This means
that the Buyer's interests may not be properly addressed until Closing, if
even then.

The agents who have helped me have *never* brought up the need or
desirability of inspecting CC&R's before tendering an offer.  In fact,
several agents effectively stopped working with me when they realized that
I wouldn't make a binding offer without seeing a copy of the restrictions
first.

I can also tell you that I have read several self-help books on purchasing
residential property, and not a single one even *mentioned* restrictive
covenants.  The only reason I ever thought to be concerned was my knowledge
beforehand (from other hams) that certain subdivisions don't allow
outside antennas and/or supporting structures.

Sounds like your State is better than most when it comes to real estate
purchases.

73,

Jack  WB3U


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From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
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Subject: Re: Cootie Keys (was: Fastest
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> . . . I don't *have* cooties, I'm looking to *buy* one or more!

Jeff, did someone actually manufacture a commercial sideswiper? I made one
of those when I was 15, but always thought it was strictly a homebrew item.

Jack  WB3U


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Subject: Re: How to get oxidized antenna joints apart?
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Paul Anderson ([e-mail]) wrote:
> I'm trying to help get rid of some aluminum antennas for the widow of a
> ham friend of mine.  Apparently several of his antennas were assembled
> without  benefit of an anti-oxidizing joint compound, and they are REALLY
> frozen  together.

One method I've used with moderate success is to squirt oil on the joints
and let them set a few hours (or days).  Then heat the outside of the
joint with a torch while trying to twist the pieces in opposite directions.

Heating does two things - first, it causes the outer tube to expand
slightly before the inner one, and if you're lucky, you can break the
"bond" in the first few seconds after applying heat.  The second thing that
happens when the pipe is heated is that minute amounts of the oil flow into
gaps in the previously "solid" joint.  Sometimes several cycles of hot and
cold are all that's required to separate the joint with relatively little
effort.

73 & GL,

Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Walsh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Thermostat for repeater?
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Mike Keitz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>,
:    Chris Oesterling <[e-mail]> wrote:

: >I have an AC fan attached to my repeater cabinet. I would prefer it
: >doesn't run all the time. Can I just purchase a cheep home thermostat to
: >control the fan? Thanks, Chris N8UDK

: Obviously you want one that closes when the temperature rises.
: This rules out most thermostats built to control only heaters.

Actually, if you get the garden variety hardware store type of
thermostat that uses a mercury bulb on a coil for the sense,
you can mount the assembly upside down and it'll turn on when
it gets hot.

Some repeater guys use a common thermoswitch that they jam in
between the fins on their PA that they just put in series with
a box fan.  Others of us just run our boxes QRP.

Of course, there's always the cheeseball method of using a
pole on your TX relay to drive another relay for the fan.
The second relay provides some isolation, and with a mega-
capacitor on its coil, the fan will stay on for a short
while between key-ups.  Don't forget the back EMF diodes...

Cheers -- Mark
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:31 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 95 09:13:59 EST
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Blah, blah, blah....

> Again, the economic argument is irrelevant to the issue at hand.
>
> : >Insert comments about commercial communications leaving us in the dust and
> : taking away our spectrum here<
>
> Why?  How is that relevant?
>
> : -Tom R.   N1OOQ   [e-mail]
>
> 73 and live better digitally
> Jim, VE3XJ
>

Are you STILL defending your anti-CW beliefs Jim ?
You should spend half as much time enjoying CW as you do opposing it.

Oh, by the way, you never DID reply to the questions in my last
message to you back when I had time to be a CW supporter...
(I see many of the pro-CW supporters have some out of the woodwork..
the silent majority !?)
You stated something to the effect of being involved in the changes
to get the No-code licence put into place here in Canada (or that's
how it sounded).
I wanted to know if you are a Government official or ISC employee...
the way you were going on sounded like you were right there witnessing
the signing of the final draft to the new regulations.

It's such adamancy that causes one to wonder if there is some sort of
personal gain to be had. So fess up Jim !  Got a finger somewhere
in the pie ? Are you directly or indirectly involved in the sale of
Ham related items ?  Might it get you somewhere if CW is eliminated
from the testing ?

Don't get me wrong, CW may not be as important as is was in the mid
part of the century but it still serves a purpose in the testing and
until it can be replaced with something that makes a person EARN their
ticket then it shall remain. I guess the governing bodies still believe
so anyway !! We couldn't have incompetent operators screwing up
communications worldwide. That's the whole point of exam...
to test for operator knowledge and competence... how to deal with
interference, be it from local contention from the transmitter or to
other communications around the globe.

Is CW a WRONG thing ?  So what that it is not the most efficient means
of communication. It's fun !  It's not impossible to learn mind you the
lazy or stupid might disagree...I guess they're the ones who might also
not understand how to deal with interefence problems...
"I want HF phone privs but I don't want to have to work for it."

I gave many examples of why CW is still useful in Amateur radio...
I never heard any reasons as to why it should go. This is my rudimentary
question. ("Because its outdated" is a weak reply.")

Regards..Hugh  VA3TO





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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:32 1995
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Ben,

Remove the antenna from its roof mount and look closely at the
bottom of the antenna that screws onto the mount.  You will
probably see that it has a rubber O-ring recessed in the bottom.
Many antenna manufacturers have replaced the large rubber gaskets
with o-rings that are just as effective and more asthetically
pleasing.  You can get replacement o-rings at any auto parts
store.

If you don't feel comfortable with the protection of the original
design you can add some silicon sealer under the mount.

73/George

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Pat on the head!)
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[e-mail] (Ken Harrison) wrote:

>In article <3va0mg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Pat on the head!) writes:
>> If you are looking for somewhere to get call cards made, look no
>> further!
>> I am a highly talented artist ( computer as well as traditional ) and
>> have the nack to bring your ideas to consept and then to final
>           ^^^^                        ^^^^^^^
>> production!

>Do you spell any better on the QSL cards than you do in your advertisement
>for services?

>Ken
>--

>__________________________________________________________________________
>Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


You know I could have bet you'd follow up with some kind of smartass
remark re: my first post here.
Give people a break eh?
You always got some negative to say, could it be something you lack?
Or you're just a dick.
both mabie?
Pat!




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:34 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Ham Interviews wanted
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[e-mail] (John Lawrence Walton) wrote:
>
>What I need is for two or three veteran ham hobbyists to contact me
>for an interview about what they like about this stuff, how they got
>involved in it, etc.
>
>I should say, I don't even really know what a ham radio is (as opposed
>to a shortwave and so on).  Nevertheless, I'm sure there's lots of
>helpful folks out there reading this group who can steer me right.

If you want to hear a bunch of bull about ham radio, everyone here
will help you.
If you want the truth contact me.


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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (wayne roberts)
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
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In article <3vc4bk$[e-mail]>,
Dave Ennes <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I see nothing wrong with a felon getting a ham license.  Might get him
>interested in something other than being a felon!

yea, bring back 'N6' Richard Burton, who certainly has more to offer
than many drunk repeater hogs and other destitute scum.

But alas, the scene does change when your a felon *because* of ham radio





From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Herndon R. Elliott)
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Subject: How far between PC and TNC?
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I am basically a cheap )*&% and I don't want to pay for a new radio to
use with my PC for packet.  So I would like to rig my system so I can
connect to the KW 733 in the truck.  I am also lazy, and don't want to
take the radio out of the truck.  My question is, how long can the
cable be between the PC and the TNC?  50ft OK?  How about between the
TNC and the radio?

Any help would be appreciated...
Herndon Elliott
KE4KUZ - 147.505o/146.505i or 444.575
Internet: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Gianotti)
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If you are looking for a nice way to carry an HT while biking, skiing,
etc. contact GALL'S at 800-477-7766.  They sell a radio chest harness
that will cary an HT and keep it vertical.  The harness is made of
Cordura and even has a pocket for pen and a cargo pocket.

GALL's sells mostly to the police/fire/EMT trade, but have a number of
items of interest to hams, such as the check mount above, HT cases,
mobile brackets, etc.

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (rod)
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       I have a pair of 8874 Eimac Grid Tubes. Brand New in Box.
    Sell the pair for $500.00
-
                     Call: 201-797-1227
                   E-Mail: [e-mail]

                                                Rod  N2RVM




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: LORAN recievers .. Request vendor pointers.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <3vb36e$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (H.Shrikumar) writes:
>Hi,
>
>A pet project that I have at the back of my mind needs a cheap
>positioning system, and I am looking at Loran-C as being much better
>suited to my purpose than GPS.
>
>Why ? Because it is cheaper, has adequate accuracy, uses 100kHz
>technology that is much easier with antennas (I dont need care to point
>something up etc.)

I think you'll find that GPS isn't that expensive anymore, with the
tiny Garmin 45 going for $299 and the Magellan Explorer for $199 in
the Gander Mtn catalog. Lorans are in the same price range, but I
haven't seen any as small as either of these GPS receivers.

And as to antennas, you need a 60 inch FET matched and preamped whip
worked against a good groundplane for Loran C while the GPS has a tiny
quadrafilar helix that looks like a very short stubby duck sticking out
of the receiver, or uses a tiny round patch antenna mounted flush in
the case of the receiver.

Neither of these systems work very well indoors. At least with
GPS, you have worldwide coverage. Loran C has only limited coverage
areas. And Loran will be phased out in the next few years.

I have a King Marine Loran C unit, and an Icom GPS. The GPS loses
lock less often, and naturally gives better absolute position fixes.
Loran C is, however, more repeatable, IE it can return to a place
it has been before more closely than the GPS even though it doesn't
really know where that position is in absolute coordinates to great
accuracy. Loran signals hug the contour of the Earth, so if you
pass behind a large hill, it will think you are further away than
you are because it is not measuring as the crow flies, rather as
the snail crawls. This is a curse to absolute accuracy, but is a
boon to relative accuracy.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:39 1995
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In article <3vdmb0$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Dave Ennes) wrote:
}I agree!  I even know of a REALTOR that was issued a ham radio license!
}
}Dave in Sequim
}
Oh God No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What has society done to itself!!!!!!!!!!
Next thing you know, dogs and chickens will become "best" friends!

God Help us All!!!!


Brian in Salem, Oregon. (USA)


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Installing a Ground Rod
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Wasmir Robeves) writes:
>
>I'm in the process of building my house. Can I use the reinforcing steel bars
>of the foundation, buried about 6 feet under ground, as my grounding system?

Absolutely. This is called a Ufer ground system. Make sure all the rebar
is bonded together before the concrete is poured, allow 20 feet of 0.5 inch
rebar for each 8,000 amperes of surge current you wish to dissipate, and
do use at least one driven rod in a location you can inspect as a backup
safety ground in case your Ufer connection corrodes away unnoticed.

Now realize that a Ufer ground system isn't a substitute for a proper
buried radial system in most cases. That's because the Ufer structure
is usually not centered on the base of the antenna, and because it is
unlikely to extend out 1/4-wave or more from the antenna in all directions.
If you aren't using an unbalanced vertical antenna, or don't need to
transition lightning surges from your tower base into the Earth, IE
don't have a tower, then the Ufer ground alone will be sufficient,
otherwise lay that radial ground system too.

Take advantage of any other buried metal on site too. For example,
if you have a metallic underground water system, tie into that too.
Bring all the various Earth connections to a single connection point,
don't daisy chain. Bring everything that needs an Earth connection
to that single point too, again don't daisy chain.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: GERMAN ham radio stores??
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WA>Guten Tag.
WA>        I'm off to Germany for some business and some fun, and I'd like to
WA>visit some radio stores, probably in the Frankfurt aM and Munich areas.

WA>Any suggestions???

There is Radio Drager in Stuttgart but their selection is rather
limited.  That's the only place I've been to in DL.
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Ennes)
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Subject: Re: Callsign designs, cheap! but good!
Date: 29 Jul 1995 16:02:38 GMT
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Am all out of cards.  Could you send me some samples?

Dave Ennes
315 E. Washington St.
Sequim, Wa
98382



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Subject: Re: Felons, ex- and otherwise
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I agree!  I even know of a REALTOR that was issued a ham radio license!

Dave in Sequim



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:42 1995
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Derek:  Is it true that some people live in Texas when they don't have to?


Dave in Sequim



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Ennes)
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Subject: Re: Ham Radio and Auto Computers
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Only problem I have had with my Buick is when I broadcast on 2 meters (45
watts) it does something to the cruise control and the car will speed up
a little.  No enough to be dangerous.  I put it on 5 watts and it still
doe it.

Dave in Sequim

N7DTD



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
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Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
Date: 29 Jul 1995 16:30:40 GMT
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3v3o43$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (gregory brown) writes:
: >Jim Cummings ([e-mail]) wrote:

: >: As the old adage goes - you can't work them if you can't hear them...
: >
: >How about another adage: "You can't work them if they don't operate
: >your mode".  In this regard, Morse beats the daylights out of those
: >modes.  Technical superiority? Nah.  Current communications
: >superiority? Yup.

: It's a tautology that you can't work someone not operating your mode,
: but the inverse is also true.

As though "you can't work them if you can't hear them" _isn't_
tautologous????  So what?

: I'm not losing any sleep over that, and
: doubt any other digital operator is either. In the universe of possible
: contacts, there is no shortage of those sharing a common mode.

Your sleeping habits (and your strange fascination with Jimminy Cricket)
are of no concern to me.  But what you are saying, essentially, is
that as long as there are enough people out there operating your mode
that you have people to talk to, you're happy.  That this represents a
tiny fraction of the hams world-wide is of no concern to you. And, by
extension (based upon comments in another of your posts), those
operators who "quack" (speak) and "beep" (use Morse) are un-enlightened
cavemen not worthy of your attention.

: The early
: SSB operators couldn't intercommunicate with envelope detector equipped
: AM operators either, but eventually the superior mode became dominant
: anyway.

Nice apples-to-oranges comparison.  SSB is a "better" way for two
people to "talk" to one another.  Computer-aided, machine-to-machine
digital modes have little in common with human coded and de-coded
Morse.  You would be more accurate comparing modern digital modes with
traditional RTTY.

I've enjoyed your recent posts, Gary.  They do a good job of giving
people a peak at your fundamental mind-set and remind all of us that
those _concerned_ with "superior technology" and "progress" advance the
human condition, while those _obsessed_ with it sometimes have little
regard for how it might impact people in the present.

You appear to be a technical wizard, Gary, and you obviously put more
stock in those purposes and goals of the Amateur Service which
correspond to your interests.  Others (some of whom could even be
described as "appliance operators") choose to hone their operating
skills and optimize their ability to communicate with as broad a
cross-section of hams as possible, thus fulfilling other purposes and
goals of the service.

There are those who choose to do nothing more than memorize the
question pools, and there are others who choose to ignore
the "quackers" and "beepers" and communicate only with other crickets.
At the risk of mixing birds, insects, and plants...it sounds like you
might be sharing the pod with some peas you really don't like.

Greg
WB0RTK




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:46 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus) writes:
>[e-mail] writes:

>>      I think that the real question should be:  "Do we as as a community
>> of licensed and law abiding radio amateurs want to see ex-felons granted
>> radio licenses?"

>  If the person has done their time and is attempting to reassimilate back
>  into society, why would you want to stop them?

One  wonders how having "done their time" would make up for their violent
acts against society such as murder, rape, armed robbery... These
type of folks should be kept off of the air.

"... name here is Joe, WX is FB, just finished 10 years for killing a cop
during a drug raid on my house. Back to you Frank, WA6xxx this is N6xxx."


Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Wayne Jones)
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Subject: Re: How far between PC and TNC?
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In article <3vddnk$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Herndon R. Elliott) says:
>
>I am basically a cheap )*&% and I don't want to pay for a new radio to
>use with my PC for packet.  So I would like to rig my system so I can
>connect to the KW 733 in the truck.  I am also lazy, and don't want to
>take the radio out of the truck.  My question is, how long can the
>cable be between the PC and the TNC?  50ft OK?  How about between the
>TNC and the radio?

On our first attempt in getting packet into the EOC, our local RACES group
installed the radio, antenna and TNC in the 16th floor radio room of the
municipal building.  The computer was located in the basement EOC.  While
the connects were very poor and unreliable, we did get some.  We ended up
moving the TNC down to the basement, and have had reliable connects since.

So -- unless you are running a length of wire the equivalent of 16 floors,
you probably could.  I have no idea what the maximum length should be, but
you should be OK!

Aloha
Wayne, NH6GJ


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steven Swift)
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[e-mail] writes:

>are there any in the EAST side of PA or NJ at all?

My list has:

NAA     Cutler, Maine   24kHz   1000kW
NCA     Puerto Rico     28.5kHz 100kW
NTD     Japan           17.4kHz 50kW
NLK     WA, USA         24.8kHz 125kW
NPM     Hawaii          23.4kHz 600kW
NSS     Maryland,USA    21.4kHz 400kW
NWC     Australia       22.3kHz 1000kW

All broadcast in MSK.  These are the easiest VLF stations to pickup.

>thanks

You're welcomed.

>DAvid
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:49 1995
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Subject: A favor from Hams who speak/write another language
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My QSL card shows a photo of the car that won the first running of the
Indianapolis 500 in 1911.  The card also carries a caption (see below) with
some history of the car.  I had the caption translated into Spanish and
French, for my contacts who speak those languages as their primary language.

Recently I have put up my own Home Page, "Amateur Radio & Funny Stories"
at

http://www.iquest.net/~skremer/

Keeping up with the international tradition of amateur radio, and for the
fun of it, I thought I would try to have the caption translated into as many
languages as possible.

I have already had it translated into Espanol (Spanish), Francais (French),
and Deutsch (German).

So if you write a language other than English, if you could translate the
four following items and E-mail it to me I would appreciate it very much.
Your translation will be converted to HTML, the computer language, so if you
are familiar with HTML and could convert any unique characters to their HTML
code that would be a help.

1.

Carmel, Indiana is a suburb of Indianapolis.  Pictured is #32, the
Marmon Wasp driven by Ray Harroun to victory in the first Indianapolis
500 auto race in 1911.  Above the steering wheel is the first ever rear-
view mirror on an automobile.

2.

Translation courtesy of: (your name and call sign)

3.

Back to Steve's Home Page.

4.

(The name of your Language, in your Language) (ie. German = Deutsch)


Thank you and best 73,
Steve Kremer, KF9ZA
[e-mail]
Carmel, Indiana  USA


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
Date: 29 Jul 1995 18:06:28 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (wayne roberts) says:

>In article <3vc4bk$[e-mail]>,
>Dave Ennes <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I see nothing wrong with a felon getting a ham license.  Might get him
>>interested in something other than being a felon!
>
>yea, bring back 'N6' Richard Burton, who certainly has more to offer
>than many drunk repeater hogs and other destitute scum.
>
>But alas, the scene does change when your a felon *because* of ham radio
>
>

You are so right! I think each person should be evaluated on an
individual basis.

There are many people who became "felons" and who genuinely saw their
misdeeds and changed their lives. Geronimo Hayes comes to mind.

There are some who have become felons because of stupid laws. Take the
case of the woman who recently found an eagle feather in a zoo and mailed
it to Hillary Clinton. She had absolutely no idea there was a federal law
making it illegal to own an eagle feather; all eagle remains are to be
sent to the "National Eagle Repository" (whatever and wherever that is.)
Now some idiots are thinking of going for a conviction of her as a felon,
and also prosecuting Hillary. Come on! Give me a break!

If an individual shows no sign of continuing felonious activities and is
living a decent life, then I see no reason to deny that person a ham
license. If, on the other hand, the person is of the order of Charles
Manson, forget it!

                                        73, Zack W9SZ


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Allen F. Corrigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Internet Access for Salvador Mission
Date: 29 Jul 1995 18:55:42 GMT
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Does anyone have any information about how a missionary priest in El
Salvador can send/receive Email via amateur radio?

I'm looking for a packet radio news group, but so far have not found one.

Bye for now!

 - - - Allen

--

Allen F. Corrigan                               VOICE: [phone]
14600 Turney Road                               INTERNET:
Maple Heights, OH 44137-4788                    [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (richard l wilder k3di)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: didahdidah trivia question
Date: 29 Jul 1995 19:58:17 GMT
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Force Majeur ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Wittich) wrote:
    In part, he asked about .-.- and the following.  What used for?
      . . - -    . - . -    - - - .    and   - - - -

      ..--   Umlaut-U in German,  a slash ("no") in Japanesse
      .-.-   Umlaut-A "  "     ,  a box w/ legs ("ro") "  "
      ---.   Umlaut-A "  "      ,    '       ("so")    "  "
      ----   CH       "  "     ,     ]       ("ko")    "  "

      I hear Russian boats operating off the coast of Maryland using
  some of these.  Also, they are used as accented letters in other
  languages such as Spanish and French.  To Japanesse, sorry for
  my weak description of the Hiragana characters; I am certain you
  will give a polite laugh at them.  (The CH was also mentioned by
  another responder.)   I never have hear why these were not used but
  assume that he used up shorter combinations and these 4-character
  combinations were surplus.   73, Dick Wilder, K3DI  [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Hank Riley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: EOSS-24:  July 30 CENTRAL COLORADO BALLOON LAUNCH
Date: 29 Jul 1995 20:09:54 GMT
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         EOSS-24:  CENTRAL COLORADO REPEATER/ATV BALLOON LAUNCH


       Region:            Central Colorado

       Date/Time:         July 30 / 9:00 AM MDT, 15:00 UTC

       Location:          Monument, Colorado (20 miles north of
                          Colorado Springs)
       Site Coordinates:  39.09 North Lat.
                          104.87 West Long.
       ATV:               426.25 MHz AM (1 watt output) NTSC color
                          video
       VHF/UHF Repeater:  446.000 MHz FM Input
                          147.555 MHz FM Output
                          (note change as of 7/16/95)
       Beacons:           a) 147.555 MHz carrier from repeater always
                             on; (periodic Morse ID audio on FM)
                          b) 144.34 MHz Morse ID audio on FM
                             (periodic; frequency shared with packet
                             telemetry)
       Telemetry:         144.340 MHz FM (1 Watt output) - AX.25, 1200
                          baud mostly plain english text; includes APRS
                          position data string.
       Foxhunters:        Pikes Peak FM Association, 448.450 MHz
                          (tentative)

For additional launch data and general Edge of Space Sciences (EOSS)
information:

http://www.usa.net/~rickvg/eoss.htm
maintained by Rick von Glahn
[e-mail]
-----------------------------------------------------------
posted by Hank Riley, N1LTV

Please email news of upcoming balloon launches and post-flight
reports for distribution on the Net.

[e-mail]
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Monninger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Two NeatoKeen (tm) Ideas
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 21:49:36 MST
Organization: Primenet
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In article <3vf22h$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (RodTool) writes:
> ...
>2) Get an adapter that allows people to play CD players through a car's
>audio system (via the tape deck) and use that for my HT when I'm in the
>car.  My car has a lot of road noise, and I'd like to be able to hear the
>radio through the car's audio system if possible.  I would like to here
>what people here have to say before I go out and buy one, only to find
>that it wont work.

This should work OK. Only thing to watch is that the adapters usually have a
stereo plug and your HT will most likely be mono. Pick up a stereo-to-mono
adapter while you're there.

Don't know about your first idea. If it worked it'd probably at least royally
irritate the other folks monitoring the repeater.

Have fun...    Mark   AA7TA


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SHOULD THE CODE REQUIREMENT BE DROPPED???????
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 22:08:04 +0100
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You can now vote on the issue of dropping the code requirement for below
30 MHz operations! Check out the ham poll at UR---->
http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html. Survey results reported immediately.

--
Ray Sarrio Co.
http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Thermostat for repeater?
Date: 29 Jul 1995 22:14:33 GMT
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
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KLIXON (division of Texas Instruments) thermal switches show up in
electro-junk stores for less than a dollar around here, but the
selection of temperatures is not real great.  There are thermal switches
in the Newark Electronics catalog.

Or you might try an LM335 + LM339 temp sensor and comparator.  If your
control system has a spare analog input, run the 335 into that and track
the temp of the heatsink directly by software.
        - Brian


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:56 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack selling Outdated Adv. Test book
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 23:55:29 GMT
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[e-mail] (michael silva) wrote:

>In <[e-mail]>
>[e-mail] (Ken Thompson) writes:

>>>: an out of date book, fine.  If it is misrepresented, then that is
>not fine.
>>
>>>        Well, the date _is_ printed on the cover...
>>
>>
>>but the expiration date is not.

>While in a RS today I looked at one of the offending books and it had
>the question pool "expiration date" on a bright stripe across the
>cover.

>Mike, KK6GM

I'm a RS employee, and the company sent out a memo in early July
telling all stores to mark out of stock the books as "beyond resonable
repair" and destroy them.  If you are still finding them out there,
then those stores have lazy store managers!  RS will have a new book
within the month (or so I've been told by the buyer).

73,

Rodney, KB0SPZ



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Regional Warning Centre)
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Subject: IPS Daily Report - 29 July 95
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Date: 30 Jul 1995 00:06:57 -0000
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 29/2330Z JULY 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 29 JULY AND FORECAST FOR 30 JULY - 01 AUGUST
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  70/5

GOES satellite data for 28 Jul
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   1.2E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 1.4E+07 (normal)
       X-ray background: A1.0
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             30 Jul             31 Jul             01 Aug
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 30 Jul:  70/5

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 28 Jul
    Learmonth        5  2211 1311
    Fredericksburg   5                          NA
    Planetary        5                           6

Observed Kp for 28 Jul: 2111 1223
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
30 Jul     5    Quiet
31 Jul     5    Quiet
01 Aug     5    Quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
29 Jul      normal         normal         normal
PCA Event : None.

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
30 Jul      normal         normal         normal
31 Jul      normal         normal         normal
01 Aug      normal         normal         normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
       Observed
DATE   T index  MUFs at Sydney
29 Jul    20    near predicted monthly values with spread F during
local night.

Predicted Monthly T index for July: 15

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
30 Jul    15    Near predicted monthly values
31 Jul    15    Near predicted monthly values
01 Aug    15    Near predicted monthly values
COMMENT: Darwin MUFs: 10-15% depressed.Townsville MUFs: near to 5%
below predicted monthly values with spread F during local night.
Hobart MUFs: near predicted monthly values.
Degraded comunications likely in the equatorial regions.

--
IPS Radio and Space Services      | email: [e-mail]
PO Box 5606                       | WWW: http://www.ips.gov.au/rwc/
West Chatswood NSW 2057 AUSTRALIA | FTP: ftp://ftp.ips.gov.au/users/rwc/
tel: [phone]                | fax: [phone]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Black)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need Kenwood TS 930S CPU
Date: 30 Jul 1995 00:30:58 GMT
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:40:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RodTool)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Two NeatoKeen (tm) Ideas
Date: 30 Jul 1995 00:33:21 -0400
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Just wanted to bounce these ideas off the readers of this newsgroup and
get some input.

1) Get an old Motorola Minitor pager (or something similar) crystal it to
the freq of a local repeater (preferably with reverse autopatch) - and
allow people to access the repeater, dial in DTMF tomes to activate the
pager, and then leave mesages for me.  Anyone tried that?

2) Get an adapter that allows people to play CD players through a car's
audio system (via the tape deck) and use that for my HT when I'm in the
car.  My car has a lot of road noise, and I'd like to be able to hear the
radio through the car's audio system if possible.  I would like to here
what people here have to say before I go out and buy one, only to find
that it wont work.

Thanx in advance...

Joe


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RodTool)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Starter Information Wanted
Date: 30 Jul 1995 00:33:22 -0400
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You could also call the ARRL - American Radio Relay League - at
1-800-32-NEWHAM.  They will be happy to send you information as well.

Joe KB2SFT


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:00 1995
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From: Bill Richards <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 6 meter help
Date: 30 Jul 1995 00:33:37 GMT
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I just acquired a 6 meter module for my ts 742a. can anyone suggest
the best way to seek out dx on the 6 meter fm band.

thanks



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Black)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need Kenwood TS 930S CPU
Date: 30 Jul 1995 00:37:14 GMT
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My Kenwood TS 930S needs a new CPU.

Kenwood parts distributors and Kenwood service centers are out of stock
and on back order.

Need Kenwood TS 930 CPU (digital unit) part number X54-1670-00.

Offers of help should be sent to me via e-mail at:  [e-mail]

Thanks es 73, W3CYQ


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:02 1995
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From: Bob Winingham <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NI-CAD Batt.
Date: 30 Jul 1995 01:20:31 GMT
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See the latest ARRR handbook

Don't go below 1.1 volts per cell
"A dead NI-Cat Cell will always remember when it is dead"
That is about the only memory a CELL has.
A battery ( which is a group of cell) has other problems.




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BUDDY10)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: I PASSED THE TEST !!!
Date: 30 Jul 1995 02:00:12 -0400
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I passed the 5wpm code test today !   It was actually fun.  I also copied
better at the test site(with all the noise) than I have in practice at
home.

P.S. Now to get ready for 13wpm !!!


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Perseids Meteor Shower Test
Date: 30 Jul 1995 02:58:21 GMT
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Gary:

I"ll be on 6 fm 1200 back packet......50.62


Where will u be ?

de Richard/NT2Z


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (gregory brown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
Date: 30 Jul 1995 05:42:39 GMT
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Jim Cummings:
Tom Randolph:
Greg Brown:

Greg wrote:
: : >> How about another adage: "You can't work them if they don't operate
: : >> your mode".  In this regard, Morse beats the daylights out of those
: : >> modes.  Technical superiority? Nah.  Current communications
: : >> superiority? Yup.
Jim wrote:
: : >Therefore, those claiming that CW is technically superior to digital
: : >communications are petulant, if not ignorant.
Tom wrote:
: : Uh, folks, let's get a grip, shall we? Let me re-format:

: :    gregory brown ([e-mail]) wrote:
: :    Technical superiority? Nah.  Current communications superiority? Yup.

: :    [e-mail] (Jim Cummings) writes...
: :    Therefore, those claiming that CW is technically superior to digital
: :    communications are petulant, if not ignorant.

: : Nobody is claiming CW is technically superior.

Jim wrote:
: On the contrary, that is often claimed by those who are pro-CW.  Just
: re-read the above quote from Brown.

Follow your own advice, Jim.  Go ahead, re-read "Brown's" quote.  I
don't know about your neck of the woods, but around here "nah" means
"no". My comment "Technical superiority? Nah." referred to Morse, Jim.
That seemed to be fairly obvious.

Tom wrote:
: : We're trying to get the point
: : across that for communicating with the majority of real HF stations, that exist
: : and are operating NOW, CW beats the only other mode available to the majority
: : of real HF stations.

Jim wrote:
: It is a rather trivial to say if I only have CW and SSB, that CW is the
: superior mode.  If that is your only criteria with what one has at hand,
: there is no arguement.

Thank you, Jim.  You do get the point, however you still seem to fail
to understand the significance. It is hardly "trivial".  It is at the
core of one of the purposes of Amateur Radio.

: However, that has not been the thread of these
: discussions. The thread has been an discussion of the superiority of one
: mode over the other.  The fact that you or I or anyone else does not have
: the capability to use that mode is irrelevant to the discussion.

Actually, the discussion of pure technical superiority is irrelevant.
While it may be of interest to you, I doubt seriously if those who
actually maintain the requirement for Morse (ITU and signitory
governments) do so because Morse is or is not technically superior.  I
doubt you'll find the topic even discussed in that forum.

Tom wrote:
: : The fancy digital mode mentioned in the referenced article is nice, and I don't
: : doubt its conclusions whatsoever. But if you'd like to make real contacts with
: : real stations, 99.9% of whom don't run that fancy digital mode, you have two
: : modes to choose from: SSB and CW.

Jim responds:
: Again, you are bringing in factors to the discussion that are hardly
: relevant.

Hardly relevant?  The ability to communicate with other hams is
irrelevant to Amateur Radio?

: Indeed, if I have Amtor capabilities, and you do not, then we
: will be unable to communciate in that mode.  Although you may believe
: that CW is superior, because you have no experience with digital modes,
: you are entitled to your beliefs, but your beliefs have little bearing
: which mode is superior.

And which mode is technically "superior" has little (if any) bearing
on why Morse is required.  But if it will make you happy, Jim, with
apologies to "The Wrath of Khan", I'll say it. (In this scene, Jim
will be played by Ricardo Montalban, I will be played by some no-name
minion about to become a silent key...with my last breath):
"Yours...is the superior...mode..."

By the way, isn't that a plastic chest you're pounding, Ricardo?

Greg



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Friedman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How did someone transmit on two freqs at once...?
Date: 30 Jul 1995 06:30:08 -0700
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Over the last two evenings, my department has experienced a problem with an
unlicensed operator transmitting on one of the Police Department frequencies
we monitor by contract for a seperate department.  Friday night, the
operator began transmitting a variety of messages, and was ultimately given
the FCC "textbook" warning.  The operator returned to the air last night,
and as the FCC began attempts to triangulate to locate the operator, we
decided to take operations to our auxiliary frequency, intended for business
transmissions.  It turned out the operator was transmitting on both freqs at
the same time.

Now, I know that the 'obvious' way to do this would be to have two radios,
one set on each freq, and key them both up while you talk.  But I have been
searching to find anyplace that the secondary frequency is listed, and I
can't!  It's not listed in Police Call or any other scanner freq listing I
can find... (Well, it is listed, but only as assigned to other agencies...
We do have the transmitter and frequency assignment license in our station,
though).

Is there some way an operator could modify a radio so it would transmit on
both freqs at once?  (Note that the freqs are in the 141 and 145 range, so
it's not bleedover...)

The operator has committed several felonies (including bomb threats against
my dispatcher and another local high school) as well as transmitting on a
police frequency, in violation of Title 47, USC.  Anyone who can help me
understand HOW this person is operating will be helping me STOP this person
from operating.

Thanks,

Dave Friedman, A-6
California State University Police Department
Cailfornia State Polytechnic University, Pomona
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:07 1995
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[e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio) writes:
>You can now vote on the issue of dropping the code requirement for below
>30 MHz operations! Check out the ham poll at UR---->
>http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html. Survey results reported immediately.

Can you prevent folks from voting more than once? If not, then your
poll will be meaningless.

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:08 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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[e-mail] (WB3U) writes:

>Jeff, did someone actually manufacture a commercial sideswiper? I made one
>of those when I was 15, but always thought it was strictly a homebrew item.

Yes, I've now been informed that four manufacturers produced them,
two of which were Bunnell, and Young & McCombs (1919-1925). There
was a thread running on the Boatanchors mail-list about this last
week. Radio history continuously flows within that group.

Jeff NH6IL


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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott H. Reed)
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Jim Price N3QYE, [e-mail] writes:

> Raymond J. Sarrio ([e-mail]) wrote:

> : You can now vote on the issue of dropping the code requirement for below
> : 30 MHz operations! Check out the ham poll at UR---->
> : http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html. Survey results reported immediately.

> No matter what the polls may reflect in terms of opinions, the code
> requirement will never  be dropped -- otherwise they'd call it
> "Citizen's Band" radio.  You'll just have to practice the code, take the
> test, and then forget about it like I did.

Or you can remember and use the code, practice regularly and continue to
improve your skills not only in CW but any other amateur mode that
interests you.  With CW, you'll have a firmer grasp of the fundamentals
of communication than with any other mode.

MHO.  Scott (who got into the TVRO sat biz bcs of amateur and comm'l tix:
T-2, GROL, GMDSS/M/O, Radar).

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John LaMartina)
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Subject: Re: Ham Radio and Auto Computers
Date: 30 Jul 1995 10:50:58 -0400
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Dave Ennes ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Only problem I have had with my Buick is when I broadcast on 2 meters (45
: watts) it does something to the cruise control and the car will speed up
: a little.  No enough to be dangerous.  I put it on 5 watts and it still
: doe it.
: Dave in Sequim
: N7DTD

Check grounding of radio. If mounted to metal bracket in car, you should        90% of the problem solved.  If mounted to plastic dash or Velcro'd to
console , etc. run a good ground strap.  A thru the glass antenna had
minimal grounding also.  The better the radio ground the less RF floats
inside the car.    Hope this helps somewhat.

     -= 73 =-  john  k3nxu   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Free - Mac Ham Test Simulators +
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       The new Macintosh Ham Test Simulators are HERE!

              Novice Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea
              Technician Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea
              General Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea
              Advanced Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea
              Extra Ham Test 5.0 SA.sea

The latest versions feature:

    HyperCard 2.3 as a stand-alone application (SA) eliminating
    the need to have HyperCard. All you need is a Mac with 4
    Meg of memory and version System 7 or greater.

    Each version 5 Ham Test Simulator has the latest questions
    as prepared by the Question Pool Committee.

    Each Ham Test Simulator is FREE OF CHARGE and work the
    same way as the originals written by Diana, KC1SP.

You may obtain a Ham Test Simulator by mailing me a *FORMATTED
disk (1 per test) and include a Self Addressed and Stamped disk
mailer for the return.

Each Ham Test Simulator is also bundled with a shareware CW
program called MacMorse 1.4 written by Doug, WB0EON.

Also included are a collection of text files that relate an
interesting variety of ideas about the best way to study CW and
prepare for tests.

If you load these onto file servers where others can gain access
via Internet, please let me know so we can point others in that
direction.

Your comments and suggestions for future versions are always
welcome. Stay in touch and good luck with your next test!

73,

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RodTool)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Two NeatoKeen (tm) Ideas
Date: 30 Jul 1995 11:34:05 -0400
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>Don't know about your first idea. If it worked it'd probably at least
royally
>irritate the other folks monitoring the repeater.

Well, I would probably only let other hams page me, and they'd know proper
etiquette.  I mean, it would be no more irritating than having someone
make a call during a QSO or something.

Thanx for the advise


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:12 1995
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From: "Valery A. Kharchenko" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: How to get addresses on Hams in CIS countries?
Date: 30 Jul 1995 12:25:59 +0400
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Octavia Company, located in Maikop, Russia offers a computerized look-up
program R&R Callsign Database'95 that gives immediate access to more than
50,000 Hams in the CIS countries.

Further information can be requested via: [e-mail].

Valery Kharchenko
RA6YR



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: scanner mod for GPS is it possable
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Sorry, The GPS modulation is spread spectrum and it is unlikely you
will hear them, let alone decode useful data (unless you are a lot
smarter than I) 73 Larry KN6WC

[e-mail] (Michael H. Heiler) wrote:

>food for thought
>I have 4 scanners that will recieve in the range of GPS and I was wondering if
>it was posable  if there is a some sort of mod that can be done to get a read
>out t of some form or another frome the audio out. any ideas woud be nice.

>leave on net or email me at  [e-mail]
>73 mike KA0ZLG  /  AFA3JQ





From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Monninger)
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Subject: Re: SHOULD THE CODE REQUIREMENT BE DROPPED???????
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Please don't discuss this issue in this newsgroup (rec.radio.amateur.misc). It
really belongs in rec.radio.amateur.policy.

Thanks.

Nark    AA7TA


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Monninger)
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Subject: Re: 4QDD QSL cards
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In article <3vgf2q$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Derek Wills) writes:

>[e-mail] (Demetre Koymanakos) asks:

>>>I've been trying to find a way to send a QSL to 4QDD (Sri Lanka)
>>>but our club has no way of sending cards to Sri Lanka :-(

>     That's not a valid amateur call, so either you miscopied
>     it or someone was playing a joke on you.

Like when I worked RG8U or T4XB (he was running a Drake xmtr)?

Anyway, Sri Lanka is 4S...

73...     Mark   AA7TA


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Price N3QYE)
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Subject: Re: SHOULD THE CODE REQUIREMENT BE DROPPED???????
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Raymond J. Sarrio ([e-mail]) wrote:
: You can now vote on the issue of dropping the code requirement for below
: 30 MHz operations! Check out the ham poll at UR---->
: http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html. Survey results reported immediately.

No matter what the polls may reflect in terms of opinions, the code
requirement will never  be dropped -- otherwise they'd call it
"Citizen's Band" radio.  You'll just have to practice the code, take the
test, and then forget about it like I did.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Price, ARS N3QYE                         Don't blame me.
[e-mail]                  I voted for Emma Goldman.



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:16 1995
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Randall)
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Subject: Re: I PASSED THE TEST !!!
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BUDDY10 ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I passed the 5wpm code test today !   It was actually fun.  I also copied
: better at the test site(with all the noise) than I have in practice at
: home.

: P.S. Now to get ready for 13wpm !!!



   Buddy, congratulations! Won't be too long and I'll be going for mine.
Keep it up!

Tom - KB2SMS



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Two NeatoKeen (tm) Ideas
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <3vf22h$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (RodTool) writes:
>2) Get an adapter that allows people to play CD players through a car's
>audio system (via the tape deck) and use that for my HT when I'm in the
>car.  My car has a lot of road noise, and I'd like to be able to hear the
>radio through the car's audio system if possible.  I would like to here
>what people here have to say before I go out and buy one, only to find
>that it wont work.

It works for me, but I only get audio out of the left speakers since
the plug is stereo but my FT-470 is not. (could rewire, but works OK
as is). Some vehicles may have RF feedback problems, my Jeep doesn't.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Demetre Koymanakos)
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Subject: QSL FOR 4QDD ?
Date: 30 Jul 1995 14:26:49 GMT
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CQ Netters...

I've been trying to find a way to send a QSL to 4QDD (Sri Lanka) but
our club has no way of sending cards to Sri Lanka :-(
Does anyone know of a snail mail address of a club in Sri Lanka, or
maybe a personal address of an amateure there who can help ?
I hope I can find a solution, this was my first CW DX and my first
of the area as well...

73's



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: NI-CAD Batt.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <3vav5g$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>I would like to find out the proper way to fully discarge ni-cad
>batteries so that I can correct the memory. The radio (HTX-202)
>shuts off at 5 volts but I want to fully discharge them. Thanks in
>advance!!

DON'T DO THIS!

Modern NiCad chemistry does not develop "memory". And you will surely
reverse a cell in the pack if you try to discharge it all the way.
That will ruin the pack. The only safe way to discharge a NiCad pack
is to remove the individual cells and discharge each of them separately.
Since that will mean breaking the spot welds that hold the cells together,
you don't want to do that.

NiCad memory was a very esoteric condition that could occur with
older chemistry cells if they were cycled many times in a very
particular way. This never happens in HT packs, so even if your
cells used older chemistry, they still wouldn't develop memory.
Lay that myth to rest right now.

Now if your pack shows reduced capacity or depressed voltage,
there are a couple of things that could cause that. One is a
cell that has previously been reversed. That's fatal and requires
a pack replacement insert. The other possibility is abusive charging.
A poorly designed rapid charger can do this, as can leaving the
pack on a slow charger for weeks. When your radio says the pack
is discharged, put the pack on a slow charger for 15 hours, then
use it until the radio says it's discharged. Do this a couple of
times and full capacity and voltage may be restored. If not, then
it's time for a pack rebuild.

The most important thing to maximize battery life is proper charging.
Don't overcharge, don't overheat, and don't leave on charge for long
periods of time. There are a few good rapid chargers on the market,
but there are many bad ones. A pulse charger with end of charge sensing
is generally OK, but timed rapid chargers are death on batteries.
If you use a slow charger, IE a 0.1 C rate charger, make sure the pack
is discharged to where the radio complains before putting on charge,
charge for just 15 hours, no more, and then take off charge. Don't try
to charge a partially charged pack, IE one with a terminal voltage
greater than 1.0 volt per cell. And don't slow charge for more than
15 hours.

Gary
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Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BUDDY10)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 20 Meter CW receiver question !
Date: 30 Jul 1995 15:00:39 -0400
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I have purchased a 20 meter CW practice receiver for W1AW code
practice(cost about $50.00).  It does not come with an antenna.  Could i
use a piece of #12 copper thhn wire as an antenna ?  How long should the
wire be ?

P.S. The frequency on the receiver is not adjustable,just the volume.  I
must assume that it is set to the exact W1AW frequency at the factory.

P.P.S.    Just passed my 5wpm CW test yesterday & I gotta get ready for
the 13wpm next month !


 [e-mail]  (Scott Powell),  Nickel dime shoeshine,don't let your
meat loaf !


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ben Klausner)
Subject: Re: Where to Find Rubber Washers for Mobile Antennas?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]>,
George L. Hiscox <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Ben,
>
>Remove the antenna from its roof mount and look closely at the
>bottom of the antenna that screws onto the mount.  You will
>probably see that it has a rubber O-ring recessed in the bottom.
>Many antenna manufacturers have replaced the large rubber gaskets
>with o-rings that are just as effective and more asthetically
>pleasing.  You can get replacement o-rings at any auto parts
>store.
>
>If you don't feel comfortable with the protection of the original
>design you can add some silicon sealer under the mount.
>

 You are probably perfectly correct about the antenna already being weather
 tight, but the gap still bothers me. Don't want to use silicon sealer,
 because it would be a nuisance when removing the antennas.

 Thanks for the reply. Still looking for rubber washers with a ~1" inner
 diameter.

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Austin, TX


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:23 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: BOGus HTX 202 mod?!?!?!?!?!?
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 15:09:29 -0500
Organization: Delphi ([e-mail] email, 800-695-4005 voice)
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I found this filee on a bbs it  on a bbs I think it sounds to good to be true
What's evreryone else think?  THX   tThanks in advancnce... JAs JAsonJAsonason KB8SFC

------------------------------------------------------------------------
─ SCAN-Z1 (1:202/731) ──────────────────────────────────────────────── SCAN-Z1 ─
 Msg  : 46 of 49
 From : Kevan Coleman               1:105/642.15            Tue 07 Apr 92 08:32
 To   : All
 Subj : HTX-202 MOD!
────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
 * Forwarded from 'SCAN17' by Kevan Coleman on 1:105/642.15
 * Originally to All

Radio Shack HTX-202 Extended RX/TX Modifications
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1) Opens up RX to 118-227 MHZ  (Aircraft & 220 MHZ Band!)
2) Opens up TX to 140-159.995 MHZ
3) Another small mod to enhance the LCD backlighting...
4) Also, one jumper can add "16 MORE MEMORIES"

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

WARNING    BEWARE     CAUTION    Rumor has it that the following was
posted as an April Fool's joke.  If you're smart, you'll compare the
steps below with the Service Manual & schematic diagrams to ensure the
validity of what you're doing before ever removing a component!

   1. Remove the antenna, battery case

   2. Unscrew all screws on the back and the sides of the case.

   3. Carefully pry apart the two halves of the shell, pay special attention
      to the fine wires attaching them!

   4. Locate and remove chip resistors R45 through R69.

   5. The above step opens RX to the complete range.
      Only remove R55 for 140-174 MHZ.

   6. Add a 0 Ohm (or solder jumper) to the empty positions of R77,
      R123, and R124 - this opens the TX.

   7. Most of the chip resistors mentioned above can be located on the
      first layer of the PC board.  A couple are harder to get to. i.e.
      got to dig a bit...

   8. LCD Backlight Mod:  You will see three wires coming from the rear
      of the LCD display (red, white, blue).  Follow the blue wire to
      where it is soldered to the board.  Move it to the empty position
      just to the left of it's current position.  This feature will now
      enable the light whenever you transmit... So you know that you are
      Keying up the rig, and what frequency you are transmitting on.....

   9. Locate IC6, ( a square 48 pin chip ) that is above and to the
      right of the lithium battery.  Get a small jumper wire ( #26 or
      smaller ) and connect one end to pin #7 to either side of chip
      resistor R3.*** NOT CLEAR HERE BUT VERBATUM *** the function
      switch will now provide another "bit" to address the memory
      channels.  i.e. when not holding the button and tuning a memory
      channel:  YOU NOW GET 16 EXTRA CHANNELS !!!

  10. Close everything back up, tucking the extra wires in and being
      sure none of them get pinched by the case.

  11. RESET the CPU and your off !!!

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

NOTES:   Perform the modifications at your own risk.  Be sure that you have a
         good level of soldering skill before attempting to try this
         modification.  Having the service manual at your side will be a great
         help.  A Scope for fine tuning the circuits to work at the new
         frequencies will definitely be a plus.  A Digital Multimeter can't
         hurt either.  Best of luck !!! 73 De N2JBO


--- EZPoint V2.2
 * Origin: Far POINT Station! ---< HOME OF SCAN17 >--- (1:105/642.15)



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:23 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: newsline 936
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 15:11:37 -0500
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someone know where I can get the text version of newsline 936???


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BUDDY10)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FTP site for latest version of SUPER MORSE ?
Date: 30 Jul 1995 15:14:56 -0400
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
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Can anyone tell me the FTP site where I can download the latest version of
Super Morse from ? Please e-mail me.
Thanks !

 [e-mail]  (Scott Powell),  Nickel dime shoeshine,don't let your
meat loaf !


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BillWA6ITF)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: TM231 Backup battery
Date: 30 Jul 1995 15:26:49 -0400
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     It is inside the front panel -- sandwched between two boards -- and
its NOT an over the counter battery.  But if you are game -- and want to
chance it -- remove the old battery and bring out two wires (+ and -) so
that the battery can be located elsewhere -- as any space and insulation
you can find.
     I have a brain-dead 331 at the hamshack, at work that I will be
moding on Tuesday.
                                                               de Bill
Pasternak, WA6ITF

Newsline Online
Bill Pasternak, WA6ITF
  Newsline - On Line


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rod Troch N2ZVV)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SW: Morse Academy - Have you heard of it?
Date: 30 Jul 1995 15:37:22 GMT
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Greetings,

I overheard a fellow ham talking about a program called Morse Academy.
He attributed his success with his 13wpm code test to studying with
that particular piece of software.

I have searched the 'net fairly diligently but have had no success to
finding it.  Is it shareware?  Is it available via the net?  If so,
could you please point me in the proper direction to acquire it?

I do appreciate any help you might offer,
73,
Rod
--
-----
Rod Troch  N2ZVV                             | Don't mess with TEXAS.
[e-mail]                     | Lonestar - A Linux box
                                             | Pgp key available
"Don't ever ask anybody if they are from Texas; if they are, you'll
know it.  If they aren't, you'll just make 'em feel bad."  -Anonymous


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:27 1995
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Unknown Microsoft mail form. Approximate representation follows.

Message: Info-Hams Digest V95 #640
Sent: Sat, Jul 29, 1995 6:19 AM
To: CheesmanDave
On Server: Mail 12 Corp. Woods
Date: Sun, Jul 30, 1995 12:26 PM
Reason: Could not be delivered because the destination Microsoft Mail server
could not be found.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (William Rueger)
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Subject: Re: SHOULD THE CODE REQUIREMENT BE DROPPED???????
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YES!




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Ennes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Felons, ex- and otherwise
Date: 30 Jul 1995 16:49:10 GMT
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I have learned to be more tolerant of my fellow man,  I have a democrat
that lives two doors away and I even wave at him once in a while.  My son
is an attorney and we let him visit us if he doesn't stay too long.

Dave in Sequim



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Srikanth Thirumalai)
Subject: morse code training software for SPARCs
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Hello,

I was wondering if I could get some information on how to obtain morse
code training software for Sun SPARC machines. I am trying to improve
my reception speed and it would help a lot if I could receive stuff as
my worstation dumped the code to its audio device....

Since I do not read this group very regularly, I'd appreciate it if
you could send me mail about this.

Thanks,

Srikanth Thirumalai

Math Software Group
Cray Research Inc.
Eagan MN 55121

--
Srikanth Thirumalai


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Donald R. Barker)
Subject: QSL for UX7ID
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I recently worked UX7ID and was given a stateside QSL manager of KA5TUU
but my QSL was returned as not deliverable (address from the UALR data-
base).  Can anyone verify that this is a real call or is it another fake?

Thanks and pse e-mail at [e-mail]

Don Barker
KE4JLN



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:30 1995
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Subject: Needed: Schematic For FT901DM
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Needed: Scematic for FT901DM
Date: 30 Jul 1995 17:05:21 GMT
Organization: epix.net


    I need a scematic for a Yaesu FT 901 DM HF Transceiver
(Power Supply section).
Can anyone help? It will be appreciated greatly. (Post or E-Mail)

                                                                Gene R. (K2LYU)


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Derek Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 4QDD QSL cards
Date: 30 Jul 1995 17:21:30 GMT
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[e-mail] (Demetre Koymanakos) asks:

>>I've been trying to find a way to send a QSL to 4QDD (Sri Lanka)
>>but our club has no way of sending cards to Sri Lanka :-(

     That's not a valid amateur call, so either you miscopied
     it or someone was playing a joke on you.


>>this was my first CW DX .....

     You probably miscopied the callsign, then!

Derek Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
Department of Astronomy, University of Texas,
Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:32 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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Subject: Re: Two NeatoKeen (tm) Ideas
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Joe,

I bought one of those adapters to feed the audio from my TS-50 into my
car stereo, but one problem.  I was running 100 watts HF, and the
RF got into the tape deck and speaker system.  It was great as long
as I was listening...but when I transmitted it fed back through the
speakers


73,

Steve Kremer
KF9ZA

Home Page:
Amateur Radio & Funny Stories
http://www.iquest.net/~skremer/



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:33 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SHOULD THE CODE REQUIREMENT BE DROPPED???????
Date: 30 Jul 1995 18:54:46 GMT
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In article <3vg228$[e-mail]>,
Jim Price N3QYE <[e-mail]> wrote:

>No matter what the polls may reflect in terms of opinions, the code
>requirement will never  be dropped --

Dang Jim, NEVER is a very long time. Anyone want to bet that the code
requirement will last longer than the dinosaurs?

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott H. Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BOGus HTX 202 mod?!?!?!?!?!?
Date: 30 Jul 1995 19:03:13 -0500
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[e-mail], [e-mail] writes:

[at length, etc]

There are NO hardware mods for the HTX-202/404.  Period.

When I was a Boy Scout, we had snipe hunts.  Now, every new Tech who gets
an HTX-whatever immediately hits packet or the Internet with a request
for mods.  There aren't any.

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Scott Reed KF9QK                  [e-mail]                  Chicago


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David R Tucker)
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Subject: Re: CCR restrictions (was Re: Local Antenna Restrictions)
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Gary McClellan ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (David R Tucker) wrote:
: >Wait a minute ... you, your neighbors, and your real estate agent all
: >"know" towers (not "appearance or condition" in general) affect values
: >(not "curb appeal" but sale prices) of neighboring properties -
: >*regardless* of any scientific evidence?  Wow.
: >
: >I'm sorry, but I find evidence more convincing than I find the "it
: >fits our prejudices, so it must be true" sort of argument"

: Sorry Dave - you're living in dreamland.. I have gotten active
: in "Block Watch" recently, and none of my fellow neighbors
: found my 40 ft. tower and tri-bander to be "attractive"...
: I personally LOVE to go out and just stand there admiring it,
: but for some odd reason they don't have the same appreciation
: of alunimium I do.  I suspect this is a universal trait!

I'm with you!  But how does that prove damage to property values?  How
much really comes off your neighbors' selling prices because of the
tower?  "I don't particularly like your tower" is not necessarily the
same thing as "I don't particularly like your toxic waste dump."
Failure to satisfy mere whims won't do much harm to property values.
My claim, remember, is that polls can't tell you the story.  Only
(well-done) studies can.

(OTOH, my *opinion* is that if - *if* - towers don't damage property
values, they're too trivial to restrict, and neighbors should mind
their own damn business.  The problem is the neighbors can outvote
hams.  Who said politics was fair?  Our only hope is to outlobby them.
Clamorous minorities frequently get their way, but not if people whink
damages is being caused when it isn't.)

-drt

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David R Tucker)
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Curtis Wheeler ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Any realtor or seller that doesn't ensure you are aware of CC&Rs and
: provide them to you is irresponsible.  I was told of the CC&Rs on my
: property and had to reveiw them.  The seller's agent had me initial each of
: all 30 pages of them.  If there was anything I couldn't live with, I had
: the right to call it off.

Good for the agent!  It's nice to hear.

: They are not a petty item.  Sellers can be sued for not dislosing them.

Well, that may not be true in all states, but it probably should be.

-drt

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Randy Seacat)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Callsign designs, cheap! but good!
Date: 30 Jul 1995 20:13:11 GMT
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What exactly are "Call cards"?

You mean QSL cards?

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[e-mail] (Ken Harrison) writes:

>In article <3va0mg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Pat on the head!) writes:
>> If you are looking for somewhere to get call cards made, look no
>> further!
>> I am a highly talented artist ( computer as well as traditional ) and
>> have the nack to bring your ideas to consept and then to final
>           ^^^^                        ^^^^^^^
>> production!

>Do you spell any better on the QSL cards than you do in your advertisement
>for services?

>Ken
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:39 1995
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Subject: Ham stressors
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 20:37:44 EST
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Here is the list of stressors, along with their relative weights, from Drs.
Thomas H. Holmes and Richard H. Rahe, psychiatrists at the University of
Washington Medical School.  K1OIK made certain additions:

Event                                   Relative Rating
Talk to an attractive female direct     200
Talk to a female on the air             103
Forced to sell rig                      102
Theft of rig                            101
Death of spouse                         100
Ham takes a bath or shower              100
Antenna falls                           100
Try to fix own rig                      99
Spouse walks into ham shack             99
Divorce                                 73
Receiving a packet message              69
Marital separation                      65
Jail term                               63
Death of close family member            63
Sending a packet message                54
Personal injury or illness              53
Listening to a repeater                 52
Marriage                                50
Fired at work                           47
Marital reconciliation                  45
Retirement                              45
Change in health of family member       44
Pregnancy                               40
Sex difficulties (all hams have this)   39
Gain of new family member               39
Eyeball "QSO"                           34
Change in financial state               38
Death of close friend                   37
Death of a ham friend                   01 (all hams are dead anyway)
Change to different line of work        36
Change in number of arguments w/ spouse 35
Change in number of QSOs                33
Mortgage over $10,000 (!)               31
Foreclosure of mortgage or loan         30
Change in responsibilities at work      29
Son or daughter leaving home            29
Trouble with in-laws                    29
Outstanding personal achievement        28
Outstanding ham achievement             67
Wife (spouse) begins or stops work      26
Begin or end school                     26
Change in living conditions             25
Revision of personal habits             24
Trouble with boss                       23
Trouble with rig                        87
Change in work hours or conditions      20
Change in residence                     20
Change in schools                       20
Change in recreation                    19
Change in call sign                     99
Change in church activities             19
Change in social activities             18
Mortgage or loan less than $10,000      17
Change in sleeping habits               16
Change in # of family get-togethers     15
Change in code speed                    15
Change in eating habits                 15
Vacation                                13
Christmas                               12
Minor violations of the law             11
Receiving a QSL card                    09
Ham's child dies                        07


Feel free to make additions and I will update the list.

Burt K1OIK.

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:40 1995
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Subject: Ham guts
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   A man went to a guts store to get some guts for dinner.  He sees a sign
remarking on the quality of guts offered at this particular gut
store.  So he asks the butcher: "How much for Engineer guts?"
   "3 dollars an ounce."
   "How much for teacher guts?"
   "4 dollars an ounce."
   "How much for ham operator guts?"
   "100 dollars an ounce."
   "Why is ham operator guts so much more?"
   "Do you know how many hams you need to kill to get one ounce of guts?

Burt Fisher
K1OIK

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:41 1995
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Subject: Off to the RACES
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From: WF2R@WA2YSM
To: RACES@NEBBS
Subject: Is it really necessary?

    There has been much discussion about ARES/RACES etc on the packet
system.  One message "crows" about the quality of volunteers in
California, another "cackles" about a dispute between RACES and ARES
members in TEXAS.To all these people whom are looking to carve their
niche in amateur radio by participing in so called emergency
communications: you are wasting your time.  Emergency communications is
already provided by many other groups, including the american red cross.
Yes, the ARC was granted use of 220-223 MC by the FCC for their
emergency communications use. Their attorney who petitioned the FCC is
also the ARRL General Counsel in WASHINGTON DC.  Most of the members
belonging to these groups ARES/RACES are bored, lonely people with no
social ties, the remainder are CONTROL FREAKS, people that want to do
ONLY THEIR WAY. Just read the packet messages that come out of
California regarding this topic, and judge for yourself.  If you are new
to this hobby, and somehow you have been corralled into this "we have to
provide emergency communications syndrome" you can easily bail out now
and avoid agruments, personality clashes etc. Just tell the group leader
you are out, you will be better off in the long run.

Burt Fisher
K1OIK

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Bromley, W5GYJ)
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Subject: Re: Where to Find Rubber Washers for Mobile Antennas?
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In article <[e-mail]>
 [e-mail] (Ben Klausner) writes:

>I just unstalled a couple of Larsen roof mounts on my new truck. To my
>dismay, they no longer include a large rubber washer to seal the gap between
>the bottom of the antenna and the roof of the vehicle.

>I suppose that this might not _really_ be needed, but I find the gap left
>exposed disturbing. Tried several hardware stores, and an auto parts store,
>looking for a rubber washer, and they looked at me like I was from Mars (and
>I don't mean MARS).

>Any ideas on where to get a ~1" inner diameter rubber washer?

I faced this exact problem and found several solutions.  The best is
to go to a hardware store (for me, Home Depot and Ace Hardware) and get
a number of the large neoprene washers used to seal the bolts of toilet
bowls.  The largest I found were 2" in diameter.  They come in the thickness
you need, but only have 3/8" inner diameters.  I happen to have a
Greenlee punch for octal tube sockets left over from a previous life
in the vacuum-tube era and used it to make the hole large enough
for the Larsen mounts (I have LMO's, not NMO's).  Lacking this tool,
you will have to do some skillful trimming on the inside of the washer
to get it to fit.  I did this too, originally, with a pair of small,
sharp diagonal cutters with reasonably good results.  The bottom
skirt of the antenna loading coil will cover minor mistakes.

The other thing you need to know is that Larsen dealers carry these
washers as a separate item costing maybe a buck.  HRO here in
Phoenix had them last time I checked.  I prefer my "homemade"
versions, though.  The Neoprene is absolutely impervious to the
UV radiation that eats up the stock Larsen rubber washers.  And
the larger diameter (2") of my washers makes the antennas much
more water-resistant (hard to really tell here in AZ, though).

Finally, it is possible that you will find these washers but they will
be too thin.  I had this problem with Ace, they just didn't have the
1/8-inch thick washers.  The solution is to glue two of the thin washers
together with RTV and then ream out the center as above.

I'm happy to see that I am not the only person that has been
bugged by Larsen washers. ;-)

73,

Jim Bromley, W5GYJ




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan )
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Subject: Swapfest for ham in Central Texas area
Date: 30 Jul 1995 20:52:30 GMT
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            We invite your participation in the
                        Seguin, Texas
                Chaparral Amateur Radio Club's

                    SECOND ANNUAL SWAPFEST

                Saturday, September 30, 1995
            Set-up 6:00-7:00 AM...Swapfest 7:00 AM-Noon

                McQueeny Lions Club Community Center
                        McQueeny, Texas

* Over 60 tables available with wide aisles

* Large, air-conditioned facilities

* Admission $1, table rental $4 w/ reservation or $5 at the door
  (additional tables $3 each) and tailgating $5

* Radio and computer equipment

* ARRL VEC examinations (reservations suggested)

* Near Lake McQueeny and the Guadalupe River (bring your boat and
  water skis)

* Plenty of parking spaces              * Refreshments available

* Antique shops nearby                  * Outlet malls nearby

* From San Antonio or Houston:  IH10 to exit 604.  North on FM 725
  two miles; right on FM 78 one mile; McQueeny Lions Club on the right.

  From San Antonio or Austin:  IH35 to exit 187 in New Braunfels.
  South on FM 725 eleven miles to FM 78; left on FM 78 one mile to
  McQueeny Lions Club on the right.

* Talk-in on 146.16/76 Seguin repeater.

For more info contact:

Al Loeschman
packet:  WD5IQR @ KK5QT.#SEG.TX.USA.NOAM
Texnet:  WD5IQR-1 @ GERONMO

or contact me:
Alan Peschke
packet:  KJ5ZD @ K3WGF.#SAT.TX.USA.NOAM
Texnet:  KJ5ZD-1 @ GERONMO
Internet:  [e-mail]

In local area reach either of our packet mailboxes thru the GER node
on 145.07.

73 & hope to C U there!


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:44 1995
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Unknown Microsoft mail form. Approximate representation follows.

Message: Info-Hams Digest V95 #641
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On Server: Mail 12 Corp. Woods
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could not be found.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
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Subject: Re: Thermostat for repeater?
Date: 30 Jul 1995 21:28:56 GMT
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You have RELAYS in your REPEATERS in 1995?  Arrrrggghhhh!!!

Oh Come ON guys, move into this decade, at least.

There are no push-to-talk (i.e., keying) relays in our entire repeater SITE.

Good Grief!

Hams advancing the state of the art, phooey.
        - Brian


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Friedman)
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Subject: Re: How did someone transmit on two freqs at once...?
Date: 30 Jul 1995 21:47:10 -0700
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Michael L. Ardai <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3vg1h0$[e-mail]> you write:

>[How did he find the freqs?]
>If it is not listed obviously in the FCC database, maybe he found it by
>scanning around a previous time it was used, or by using a handheld frequency
>counter near someone transmitting...

Except that it's never used.  NEVER.  Until last night, when we caught him
transmitting on it, it hadn't been used in almost a decade.

>-We do have the transmitter and frequency assignment license in our station,
>-though).
>Could he have seen it on some visit there?

That's one of teh possibilities we're looking into.  We're also looking into
the possibility that he's using unrerported stolen radios.

>-(Note that the freqs are in the 141 and 145 range, so it's not bleedover...)
>                                        ^^^
>I sure hope that is a typo...

Sure enough, it was.  151 and 155. :)

Dave Friedman



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
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In article <3va5fm$[e-mail]>,
BillWA6ITF <[e-mail]> wrote:
>     I think that the real question should be:  "Do we as as a community
>of licensed and law abiding radio amateurs want to see ex-felons granted
>radio licenses?"

I know what I think, Bill, but why don't you share with the rest of us
what you think the answer is?

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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Subject: Re: Can X-Felon get Ham Radio License?
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In article <[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus) writes:
>>[e-mail] writes:
>
>>>      I think that the real question should be:  "Do we as as a community
>>> of licensed and law abiding radio amateurs want to see ex-felons granted
>>> radio licenses?"
>
>>  If the person has done their time and is attempting to reassimilate back
>>  into society, why would you want to stop them?
>
>One  wonders how having "done their time" would make up for their violent
>acts against society such as murder, rape, armed robbery... These
>type of folks should be kept off of the air.

Why?  What is the correlation between a past criminal conviction
and poor radio traits?

>"... name here is Joe, WX is FB, just finished 10 years for killing a cop
>during a drug raid on my house. Back to you Frank, WA6xxx this is N6xxx."

This is inflammatory, but doesn't address the issue at all.

By the way, I know at least one amateur personally that has shot
someone to death in the past.  He's a fine ham.  So what?

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:49 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BOGus HTX 202 mod?!?!?!?!?!?
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 22:11:53 -0500
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Scott H. Reed <[e-mail]> writes:

>[e-mail], [e-mail] writes:
>
>[at length, etc]
>
>There are NO hardware mods for the HTX-202/404.  Period.
>
>When I was a Boy Scout, we had snipe hunts.  Now, every new Tech who gets
>an HTX-whatever immediately hits packet or the Internet with a request
>for mods.  There aren't any.

OK alright already take it for what it is, a file I found.
AND I AM NOT A NEW TECH!  DON'T think I7m some stupid no coder because that
isn't
 the case yes there are quite a few lid no coders that just wanted something to
add to their cb equpiment but tthen there are radio tech , computer  programmers
and other intelligent people (mostly in elctronics fields) that know what they
are
doing. You can't stereo type a group like that...

Why do you think it is called bgus htx 202 mod?


Jason KB8SFC


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From: [e-mail] (BUDDY10)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SHOULD THE CODE REQUIREMENT BE DROPPED???????
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No WAY !   I just passed the 5wpm.   It was not that hard.  Just a little
effort required.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:50 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for DXCC?
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[e-mail] (Bill Newkirk) writes:
>Peter Lemken <[e-mail]> writes:

>demonstrations of such communications would be in the military in wartime
>conditions. they're the guys with all the new toys.

Most will not understand this but a DX pile up can be much more severe
than what one would encounter in the military. The military wouldn't
purposely limit themselves to a single frequency, and  they would not
permit dozens and dozens of stations to call a single operator.

So many folks in this debate like to pretend we're the military or
commercial operators, but of course, we are not. We seperate our-
selves from them by intentionally chasing DX, building our own
equipment, freely choosing frequencies within a band and freely
choosing bands, freely choosing modes such as moonbounce, ragchewing,
modifying our gear, turning our radios on or off when we feel like it,
contests, swap meets, working and ignoring whom we please, (you've seen
me list these and more before...).

>>PROVE what you want to tell us. Prove a 200 QSOs per hour rate with a
>>digital mode. Show us the QSL-cards, confirming your digital contacts with
>>3Y0PI, 9M0S, 5A0A and other real dx and then we can start a discussion. But
>>arguing about dx without knowing what dx is about in reality is stupidity,
>>stupidity, stupidity. Think about it.

>you going to lug the gear to those places?

No, I believe he's refering to the folks who reside at these places.
The guys in the South Pacific that I QSO with will only have CW and
SSB for a long time to come; many use only CW gear they've built
themselves.

>my computers send code pretty well. how are you going to know if i'm
>a computer or a real operator (tm)? at your end we're just going to "beep".

It's pretty easy to tell the difference between a fist and a computer.
Also, I can impart such a swing in my sending that your computer won't
be able to decipher what I'm sending. (Back on the military circuits
I used to be able to determine who the op was just from his swing.)

Jeff NH6IL


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:51 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Ham stressors
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[e-mail] writes:
>Sex difficulties (all hams have this)   39

My girlfriend disagrees...

Jeff NH6IL



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Subject: How did someone transmit on two freqs at once...?
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DA>Over the last two evenings, my department has experienced a problem with an
DA>unlicensed operator transmitting on one of the Police Department frequencies
DA>we monitor by contract for a seperate department.  Friday night, the
DA>operator began transmitting a variety of messages, and was ultimately given
DA>the FCC "textbook" warning.  The operator returned to the air last night,
DA>and as the FCC began attempts to triangulate to locate the operator, we
DA>decided to take operations to our auxiliary frequency, intended for business
DA>transmissions.  It turned out the operator was transmitting on both freqs at
DA>the same time.

DA>Now, I know that the 'obvious' way to do this would be to have two radios,
DA>one set on each freq, and key them both up while you talk.  But I have been
DA>searching to find anyplace that the secondary frequency is listed, and I
DA>can't!  It's not listed in Police Call or any other scanner freq listing I
DA>can find... (Well, it is listed, but only as assigned to other agencies...
DA>We do have the transmitter and frequency assignment license in our station,
DA>though).

DA>Is there some way an operator could modify a radio so it would transmit on
DA>both freqs at once?  (Note that the freqs are in the 141 and 145 range, so
DA>it's not bleedover...)

DA>The operator has committed several felonies (including bomb threats against
DA>my dispatcher and another local high school) as well as transmitting on a
DA>police frequency, in violation of Title 47, USC.  Anyone who can help me
DA>understand HOW this person is operating will be helping me STOP this person
DA>from operating.

DA>Thanks,

DA>Dave Friedman, A-6
DA>California State University Police Department
DA>Cailfornia State Polytechnic University, Pomona
DA>[e-mail]

dave, you still haven't stated why you are so certain that the person
isn't using two radios at once.  all you have stated is that the second
frequency is not listed in a frequency guide.  this does not guarantee
that the culprit would have no way of knowing it.  anybody that sits
around and jams a communications service certainly has some time on
their hands, which just says to me that this person must have stumbled
across your department's secondary frequency while searching the band.
this brings us back to the first conclusion you drew, which was that the
jammer could be using two radios at once, and i see this to be true.

now, as far as finding the bastard, it'll take some work.  is your radio
system simplex or a repeater system?  does it have only one
transmitter/receiver for the base or is it a multiple site voted system
with microwave links to the control station.  is this a high-level site
or low level?

i'd love to help you (i'd even drive down, it'd give me some
entertainment to catch the bastard!), but unless you can provide some
better information than what you have, we're back to square one.

good luck

greg

kd6ven


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:53 1995
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What does "HAM" stand for????


Brian
KC7LWZ
Salem, Ore.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:54 1995
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I am in need of a service manual for the Kenwood TS-140S.If you have one
and would like to sell it please E-MAIL only stating price.Thank you.


PS  CAN'T GET IT FROM KENWOOD.


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A friend of mine is looking for Packet radio BBS software. Any tips?

Thanks!
Stu


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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:41:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai)
Subject: Re: How did someone transmit on two freqs at once...?
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In article <3vg1h0$[e-mail]> you write:
[A jammer on 2 public-service freqs at once]
Yep, he probably used two transmitters.

[How did he find the freqs?]
If it is not listed obviously in the FCC database, maybe he found it by
scanning around a previous time it was used, or by using a handheld frequency
counter near someone transmitting...

-We do have the transmitter and frequency assignment license in our station,
-though).
Could he have seen it on some visit there?

-(Note that the freqs are in the 141 and 145 range, so it's not bleedover...)
                                         ^^^
I sure hope that is a typo...

/mike
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Wyatt Earp)
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[e-mail] (David Tock) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeff Stillinger) writes:
><...much stuff deleted...>
>>The safty issue is really big with me.  For example in Mission Viejo one is
>>not to park cars on the street or in the driveway.  Visibility is very good,
>>keeping one from running over kids on a bikes.  Seen that one too.  Also by
>>not haveing oil dripping on the street, taxes are kept down and streets are
>>in good repair.
>>
>I read through this group from time to time, and it really drives home some
>of the differences between the USA and the UK. We generally do not have these
>restrictive coveneants, but the common sense approach of staying friendly with
>the neighbours, and keeping things safe works most of the time. OF couse, for
>larger constructions, we need proper planning permission.

>What really impressed me about this last posting was that Jeff can not park
>his car on the street _or_ in his own driveway. Sheesh, I'd have to leave
>mine in a car park in the town, and take a bus home!

You have to understand that Mission Viejo is an extreme case.  Only
001% of the US has laws forbidding parking on the street.  Most of
the US is covered with cars, and they have to sit for 10-30 days
before they can be towed off.

Judging the US by the customs of Mission Viejo is like watching the OJ
trial and thinking we all have Kato type dudes with bitchin' hair
living in the guest house.  It's true for a few people and that's why
we watch then on TV.  Much more exciting than our own boring lives.

Wyatt




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:01 1995
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From: Gareth Crispell <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 20 Meter CW receiver question !
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[e-mail] (BUDDY10) wrote:
>I have purchased a 20 meter CW practice receiver for W1AW code
>practice(cost about $50.00).  It does not come with an antenna.  Could i
>use a piece of #12 copper thhn wire as an antenna ?  How long should the
>wire be ?

Since the antenna will not be transmitting, exact length is not
supercritical. I am guessing you have a bunch of #12 THHN on hand and
this will serve the purpose just fine. Cut a length about 32 feet long
and you should hear just fine.

Great work on passing the 5 WPM !!! I remember the joy and satisfaction
you are feeling now Buddy!


N1MSV
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Schwartz)
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Robert C. Martin ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (L W Yager) wrote:

: >I have a 'generic' SVGA monitor running at 800 x 600 resolution.  When
: >I'm on the 20M band, I have a high noise level from the monitor.  I
: >have moved the monitor as far as possible from the rig with no change.
: >The noise is present only on the 20M band.  Any suggestions on a fix,
: >other than replacing the monitor?

: >73 es tnx de kg9DE

: Don't know for sure that this will work, but I've been told by others
: that it does.  There is a metallic "spray paint" available at
: electronic parts type stores.  You can use this "paint" to coat the
: inside of the plastic monitor cover.

A few words of wisdom if you're going to try this.  These conductive EMI
sprays work because they contain very fine metal dust in along with the
paint.  BE SURE that you spray over the conductive paint with several
coats of regular spray paint.  This will prevent these little metal flakes
from falling into/on the delicate electronics housed within.

Good luck!
Gary K9GS
--
         ________________________________________________________________
        |                                                                |
        | Gary Schwartz  K9GS           E-Mail: [e-mail] |
        | Society of Midwest Contesters   Packet:[e-mail] |
        | Greater Milwaukee DX Association Member                        |
        |________________________________________________________________|





From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David C. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Where to Find Rubber Washers for Mobile Antennas?
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 04:15:23 GMT
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I have not tried this personaly, but hose washers are about that size. Just a
thought, maybe it will work.
- Dave -

In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Ben Klausner) wrote:
>I just unstalled a couple of Larsen roof mounts on my new truck. To my
>dismay, they no longer include a large rubber washer to seal the gap between
>the bottom of the antenna and the roof of the vehicle.
>
>I suppose that this might not _really_ be needed, but I find the gap left
>exposed disturbing. Tried several hardware stores, and an auto parts store,
>looking for a rubber washer, and they looked at me like I was from Mars (and
>I don't mean MARS).
>
>Any ideas on where to get a ~1" inner diameter rubber washer?
>
>Thanks.
>

+-----------------------------------------------------+
|              David C. Miller - KB7ZJY               |
|                  Renton, WA USA                     |
|             Home - [e-mail]              |
|            Work - [e-mail]             |
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+-----------------------------------------------------+


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:04 1995
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From: "Alex Prikhodko" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CQ WW RTTY 1994
Date: 31 Jul 1995 04:24:52 -0000
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  Help !!!!
  I need result CQ WW RTTY DX CONTEST 1994 !!
  Help me, please !
  From RK9CWA gang (ex UZ9CWA,RV9WCY,RH7E,RK9C,RW9C,RU9C,etc.)!
  73 to all !

 ---------
 Best regards,
 Alex Prikhodko, UA9CR
 E-mail:[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (CITGATE)
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:05 1995
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From: Jack Palladay <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
Date: 31 Jul 1995 04:56:49 GMT
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> > 73 and live better digitally
> Are you STILL defending your anti-CW beliefs

  Jeez, enough already.  Is there a Coke versus Pepsi newsgroup
somewhere?  You guys can each take a side (ie. Coke is CW and Pepsi
is SSB) and then argue to your hearts.content.  It never ceases to
amaze me that a lot of pepople never realize that different people
do different things for their own various reasons.  But as soon as
they choose to do whatever that activity automatically becomes the
best and those who aren't doing that activity are somehow misguided
or worse.  There are Coke drinkers and there are Pepsi drinkers and
there are people who enjoy both.  It is the same with CW and SSB or
digital or whatever.  To hear about it ad nauseum doesn't do anything
for either side and turns off people.  I'm sure there are a lot of
non-hams out there lurking because they are interested in ham radio.
CW vs SSB isn't what ham radio is about.  Don't give them a false
impression of our great hobby.  Give it a break.


P.S. This is a general statement and not pointed at you two gentlemen
     in particular.

    73 de Jack, N9ICE @ WB9SYK-1.IN
    [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brent Mosbrook (ZyXEL))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FCC part 15 specs?
Date: 31 Jul 1995 05:09:31 GMT
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I'm trying to locate a source for class b specs on conducted and radiated
emissions for a device.. checked the FCC web page, and will followup with
phone calls, but I suspect that 30 minutes on the phone could be alleviated w/
the help from someone experienced with the relevant docs here..


--
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Product Development                               Voice - 714-693-0808
ZyXEL                                             Fax   - 714-693-8811
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:07 1995
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From: Jack Palladay <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: QSL FOR 4QDD ?
Date: 31 Jul 1995 05:34:02 GMT
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> I'm looking for a way to send a QSL to 4QDD (Sri Lanka) but

  The address for the QSL bureau in Sri Lanka is:

  Radio Society of Sri Lanka,
  Attn: QSL Manager
  Box 907,
  Columbo, Sri Lanka

The GoList didn't have anything on 4QDD but I haven't loaded the
latest one down yet.  In the call book all the Sri Lankan hams have
4S calls.  Also the 4S is followed by a number (ie. 4S7CW) so you
may have contacted a pirate.  But maybe it was some sort of special
event call then the Sri Lankan QSL bureau should know where to send
it.  Good luck and hope to hear you on the air.

   73 de Jack, N9ICE @ WB9SYK-1.
   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:08 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: QSL FOR 4QDD ?
Date: 31 Jul 1995 05:34:57 GMT
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> I'm looking for a way to send a QSL to 4QDD (Sri Lanka) but

  The address for the QSL bureau in Sri Lanka is:

  Radio Society of Sri Lanka,
  Attn: QSL Manager
  Box 907,
  Columbo, Sri Lanka

The GoList didn't have anything on 4QDD but I haven't loaded the
latest one down yet.  In the call book all the Sri Lankan hams have
4S calls.  Also the 4S is followed by a number (ie. 4S7CW) so you
may have contacted a pirate.  But maybe it was some sort of special
event call then the Sri Lankan QSL bureau should know where to send
it.  Good luck and hope to hear you on the air.

   73 de Jack, N9ICE @ WB9SYK-1.
   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bruce W. Forsberg)
Subject: New Ham TV Web page!
Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET), San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 06:47:28 GMT
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To all,

   There is a new WWW page that contains information regarding Amateur
TeleVision (ATV). It is for the ATN (Amateur Television Network) club
in southern California courtesy of KB6MMF. If you have always wanted
to know what goes on in ATV then come and check out what is happening.
Also drop us a line to the email addresses list on the page about what
is happening with your ATV club. If there are any other ATV home pages
let us know so that we can add a link. Come and find out about the
least known and most excitting part of Ham radio. The address is:

http://www.realm.net/~jpawluk/KB6MMF.html

73's and See Ya on the air.   Bruce  WB6IZG



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:09 1995
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Oliver Gross)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Code vs. other ideas
Date: 31 Jul 1995 08:59:40 -0500
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I have read many posts about the code vs
no-code (the lic class I hold).  Many people
seem to be worried that all the Ham bands will
become a big CB land.  Understand I still support
the idea of code being required for HF (I hope to
test for my General in Sept), but I have always
wondered why all the questions are printed all over
the place.  I have taken state and national exams
for other things, and never has the test pool been
in print for public access.  I have heard of many
people remembering all the questions and answers
insted of learning the material.  I am sure we all
used the test question bank to prepare for the
exam, but could there be a better way to test people?

What I mean by better is provideing the material,
like the books from the ARRL, with the needed info
and not the question pools.

I may get attacked for this, but I will survive..

                        Oliver
                           N9UWI



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joanne Dow)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: scanner mod for GPS is it possable
Date: 31 Jul 1995 08:59:46 GMT
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    This message has been posted with development version software.
    If there are any problems with the message format, send me mail.

In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael H. Heiler) writes:
>>food for thought
>>I have 4 scanners that will recieve in the range of GPS and I was wondering if
>>it was posable  if there is a some sort of mod that can be done to get a read
>>out t of some form or another frome the audio out. any ideas woud be nice.
>
>GPS uses a spread spectrum encoding. I doubt you'd be able to detect
>anything with an audio detector.
>
How very true, Gary. GPS uses a air of signals in quadrature PSK configuration
on the same carrier at 1575.42MHz. The C/A signal has a 2MHz bandwidth due to
its 1Mhz (ok 1.023MHz minus a relativistic tad) "chipping rate." The P code has
a 10MHz chipping rate and is some 20Mhz wide. No scanners *I* know of have
bandwidths like that anywhere south of the first conversion. Without *VERY*
heavy modifications he'd not hear anything recognizeable. And even WITH
conversions all he'd hear would be 50Hz digital almanac and health information.

>Gary
>
>--
>Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
>Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
>534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

{^_^}     Joanne Dow     The Wizardess (who worked on some of the circuitry
                         that's up there transmitting those signals. {^_-})



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John LaMartina)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SHOULD THE CODE REQUIREMENT BE DROPPED???????
Date: 31 Jul 1995 09:20:10 -0400
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Raymond J. Sarrio ([e-mail]) wrote:
: You can now vote on the issue of dropping the code requirement for below
: 30 MHz operations! Check out the ham poll at UR---->
: http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html. Survey results reported immediately.

WOW ! What an interesting topic !

I've never seen a thread like this before !

                               BORING !!!!!

john k3nxu


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: 10 Disks of Mac Software - $30.00
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Mac Computers + Hams + Radios =
       Macnet Software
on 10 New Disks just $30.00
(Each Stuffed with the Latest Self Extracting Public Domain Versions -
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (michael slifkin)
Subject: charging primary batteries
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I would appreciate literature references to the charging of primary
(zinc carbon) batteries using pulse of dirty DC techniques
thanks
michael slifkin
******************************************************************
Professor M A Slifkin            userid: [e-mail]
Department of Electronics        telephone: [phone]
Jerusalem College of Technology  fax: [phone]
POB 16031
Jerusalem 91160  Israel          4Z9GDH
*****************************************************************


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:14 1995
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:14 1995
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From: Floydjr <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Hurricane Freqs
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:21:01 -0400 (EDT)
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Does anyone have the freqs that the Hurricane center in Miami are using
now. Have some old ones but here nothing on them. I know there were some
in the 14mhz band for hams to assist with. Any freqs or information,
either in the General Coverage or the Ham Bands would be appreciated.

Please e-mail me direct so we do not tie up bandwidth here.

[e-mail]

73's Jim // WA4ZXA



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:15 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!gatech!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Callsign designs, cheap! but good!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <3vd0ue$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Pat on the head!) writes:
>[e-mail] (Ken Harrison) wrote:
>>In article <3va0mg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Pat on the head!) writes:
>>> If you are looking for somewhere to get call cards made, look no
>>> further!
>>> I am a highly talented artist ( computer as well as traditional ) and
>>> have the nack to bring your ideas to consept and then to final
>>           ^^^^                        ^^^^^^^
>>> production!
>
>>Do you spell any better on the QSL cards than you do in your advertisement
>>for services?
>
>You know I could have bet you'd follow up with some kind of smartass
>remark re: my first post here.
>Give people a break eh?
>You always got some negative to say, could it be something you lack?
>Or you're just a dick.
>both mabie?
      ^^^^^
>Pat!

Heh, still can't spell. Not a good trait for a would be printer.

Gary

--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:16 1995
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Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!gatech!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: SHOULD THE CODE REQUIREMENT BE DROPPED???????
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:49:19 GMT
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In article  [e-mail] writes:
>[e-mail] (Raymond J. Sarrio) writes:
>>You can now vote on the issue of dropping the code requirement for below
>>30 MHz operations! Check out the ham poll at UR---->
>>http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html. Survey results reported immediately.
>
>Can you prevent folks from voting more than once? If not, then your
>poll will be meaningless.

It's meaningless anyway due to the self-selection of the sample.

Gary

--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Keith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Heathkit pointer
Date: 31 Jul 1995 13:15:30 GMT
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I have seen references in the past that suggest that Heathkit is still
operating, at least a service/support portion of it. If this is correct could
someone in the know provide me with a telephone numberr for them?



--
John Keith      [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michel Denber)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Operating 2M in Switzerland
Date: 31 Jul 1995 13:27:25 GMT
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Does anyone know if it is legal for a US ham to operate on 2M in Switzerland?
Do I need a special permit or anything?  I'm going to be there in September
and thought it would be fun to take along my HT.  I'd like to see just how far
I can reach with 5W from the top of a 10,000 ft. mountain.

---

                        - Michel
                          KB2BQ

[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SHOULD THE CODE REQUIREMENT BE DROPPED???????
Date: 31 Jul 1995 13:31:19 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I don't know who the "they" are that you are referring to, but I
>haven't yet heard most amateurs (or the FCC) refer to the amateur
>frequencies above 30 MHz as CB. (I have heard it from a disgruntled
>few in Maryland, but I consider the source.)

...and from the Houston area, and from southern California...

Never let facts get in the way of a good argument, right, Gary?
--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
http://k5zc.hsc.uth.tmc.edu       | adequately be explained by stupidity.
   "These signposts will guide us, Pinky. Glade of Woe...no...Chasm of
      Despair...no...Pit of Barbecue...maybe later..." -- The Brain


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Fred Lloyd, AA7BQ)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QRZ CALLSIGN/EMAIL ADDRESS SERVER
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:20 1995
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From: Ed Juge <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur (jerks) Electronic Supply
Date: 31 Jul 1995 13:47:42 GMT
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
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Sorry to hear about your bad experiences, Duffy.  I've had excellent luck with AES and HRO  -- in
person.  I travel extensively in my work and visit several of their stores most times I'm in the
area.  Most couldn't be more attentive or helpful.  The manager of the Las Vegas store even
offered me a guided tour of the facility --shop, warehouse, etc.-- on my last visit.

Could it be you were expecting a bad experience?  I spent 11 years in the ham business and can
tell you that many customers walk in the door with aan attitude --  chip on their shoulder.,
looking for a fight, sure they're about to be screwed or determined to argue the price down below
cost.  They do NOT get favorable treatment.  In fact, the guy behind the counter frequently can't
wait to get 'em out the door. I'm certainly not suggesting you are any of these things but my
experience was that many such folks don't even realize what their attitude is.  I'm the kind of
person who sports rose-colored glasses... I expect good things, and they generally happen for me.

Ed



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Cowart)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is HAMWINDOWS software any good ?
Date: 31 Jul 1995 14:03:39 GMT
Organization: Engineering, Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx USA
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Robert C. Martin ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (BUDDY10) wrote:

: >Is HAMWINDOWS software any good ? I will be getting a TS-450s/AT  & wanted
: >to use some software to control it.
: >Thanks !


: I'll start by stating that this is only MY OPINION!  I bought
: HamWindows software a couple years ago, and it has been nothing but a
: pain in the a**!  It crashes regularly, the features are difficult or
: impossible to use.  The documentation is POOR.  There is little or no
: support.   I could go on and on, but I think you get my drift.

: ______________
: 73,

: Bob Martin N7JXN
: [e-mail]

: Author of the "North American Repeater Atlas" published by ARRL

I'll add some also...it's SLLLOOOOOOWWWWW as malasses!  Stay away
from it..it is a royal pain in the ASS!

73

Mike


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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: How did someone transmit on two freqs at once...?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <3vg1h0$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <3vhn8e$[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:08:25 GMT
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In article <3vhn8e$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dave Friedman) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Michael L. Ardai <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <3vg1h0$[e-mail]> you write:
>
>>[How did he find the freqs?]
>>If it is not listed obviously in the FCC database, maybe he found it by
>>scanning around a previous time it was used, or by using a handheld frequency
>>counter near someone transmitting...
>
>Except that it's never used.  NEVER.  Until last night, when we caught him
>transmitting on it, it hadn't been used in almost a decade.
>
>>-We do have the transmitter and frequency assignment license in our station,
>>-though).
>>Could he have seen it on some visit there?
>
>That's one of teh possibilities we're looking into.  We're also looking into
>the possibility that he's using unrerported stolen radios.

He could have still gotten it from the FCC database. That's a public
record, and microfilms of it exist at all FCC offices. I've done
many such searches at the local FCC office. It may even be in computer
accessable form by now.

Several conclusions can be drawn so far. This person obviously has
it in for your department. That may indicate a previous relationship,
either as an employee, or as the subject of your department's actions.
The person also obviously has radio transmitting equipment capable
of covering your frequency assignments. That's going to be either
commercial type equipment, or modified amateur equipment, or more
remotely likely, home built equipment. And the person has access
to your alternate frequency either through previous direct access
to your license documents, a search of the FCC database, use of
a signal sniffer near one of your transmitters (last night, indicating
close physical proximity), or, as you suggest, access to one of your
radios, either now or in the past.

So, I'd suggest that you're looking for a former employee, a current
disgruntled employee, a student, a member of the faculty, or a member
of the administrative staff. That person may hold an amateur license
or may work for a radio shop that has serviced your equipment sometime
in the past. The person may have neither association, but still must
have some knowledge of radio systems, perhaps by being one of your
current or former employees. The content of the transmissions may
give you additional clues.

Gary
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Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:23 1995
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From: Gerald Schmitt <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BOGus HTX 202 mod?!?!?!?!?!?
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 14:15:15 MST
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
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In article <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:


> OK alright already take it for what it is, a file I found.
> AND I AM NOT A NEW TECH!  DON'T think I7m some stupid no coder because that
> isn't
>  the case

Actually Jason my call book shows that you are a no coder. Now I
don't think that brands you as stupid but you seem to think so by
the above remarks. If you would like I can provide you with the calls
of a dozen no code PhDs.


 yes there are quite a few lid no coders that just wanted something to
> add to their cb equpiment but tthen there are radio tech , computer
programmers
> and other intelligent people (mostly in elctronics fields) that know what
they
> are

There you go again now no coders are lids. Have you passed the code
recently? Why the hostility?

A number of people on this news group tend to make a very firm statement
about HTX-202 mods because people have a tendency to believe what they
want to believe and will take a pot like yours seriously. Someone who
knows little about the innards of an HT could trash his radio from
your post.


> doing. You can't stereo type a group like that...
>
> Why do you think it is called bgus htx 202 mod?

I think most of us recognized the mod file as a put on but why  post
it at all?

> Jason KB8SFC



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:24 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ham Radio and Auto Computers
Message-ID: <3vios6$[e-mail]>
From: Carl Morgan <[e-mail]>
Date: 31 Jul 1995 14:20:54 GMT
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[e-mail] (Dave Ennes) wrote:
>Only problem I have had with my Buick is when I broadcast on 2 meters (45
>watts) it does something to the cruise control and the car will speed up
>a little.  No enough to be dangerous.  I put it on 5 watts and it still
>doe it.
>
>Dave in Sequim
>
>N7DTD
>

I have a TM-732 (50W@2M/35W@440) with a dual-band antenna on the
roof.  There is no interaction between the radio and any vehicle
electronics.

Occasionally I run a TS-440S @ 100W with a HamStick on the rear
bumper .... again, no problems.

Car is a 1992 Olds 88.

Would seem the cruise control in the Buick and Olds should be the
same.  Likely, too, the computer.

73 >< Carl
   K8NHE




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:25 1995
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From: "Alistair S. Fairweather" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Heathkit SB200 Linear Amp
Date: 31 Jul 1995 14:54:13 GMT
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I have a Heathkit SB200 linera amplifier that needs some attention but
have no information on it. Has anyone out there got the user/service
manual for this linear that I can borrow. All cost will be re-embursed.

regards


Alistair G7GAR (Malvern, England)



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard W. Clement)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Autopatch in Charleston, SC
Date: 31 Jul 1995 14:57:18 GMT
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I will be visiting the Charleston area next week, and I wonder if there
are any open autopatches, or if someone would be nice enough to use their
closed patch for the week.  I will be operating on 2 meters.

Thanks in advance,

Rickey/KD4UCB

--
Richard W. Clement ([e-mail])
337102 Georgia Tech Station
Atlanta, Ga. 30332-1720
CS major


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NI-CAD Batt.
Date: 31 Jul 95 15:01:55 -0800
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In article <3vj7jp$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Steve Hilberg) writes:
> I have a different problem which maybe someone can shed light on.  I
> havea 12V battery pack for my FT530.   It discharges at a rapid rate to
> where it is alomost useless.  When I attach it to the radio after charging,
> the voltage drops continuously from 13.8V or so to discharge (display
> blinks) in 30 min or less -- even if not transmitting.  I have been very
> careful about charging my batteries so they don't overcharge.  I'm using
> the charger I got with my FT530 7V battery to charge the 12V pack
> (purchased from W&W).  Someone suggested that this might be the
> problem - that it needs a different charger.  I plan on calling W&W to see
> what they have to say when I get a chance.

The output of the NC-28B wall wart charger that came with the stock
battery is 8.7 volts.  This should give you a clue as to why you could be
having problems charging a 12 volt battery with it...  ;-)

Hook the pack up to the right charger and see what happens.

Ken

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:28 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: grape.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!gatech!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:04:51 GMT
Lines: 53

In article  [e-mail] writes:
>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>
>>When you factor in the cost of manhours expended to approach the
>>60 WPM rates of even low performance FSK, the balance tips very
>>...
>>OOK Morse's primary attribute is the huge sunk cost of existing
>>operator training. Whether this sunk cost should be discounted
>
>Cost of manhours? Huge sunk cost? How many manhours are lost daily
>to hams and non-hams sitting in front of a TV set? At least the
>15-20 minutes per day spent practicing the code will gain you
>HF privileges - and what a wonderful privilege that is!

When I watched TV, they paid me $35 an hour to do it. My consulting
rate now is $100 an hour. Now if you figure it takes between a lower
bound of 120 manhours and an upper bound of 2,000 manhours to achieve
manual Morse proficiency, that's between $4,200 and $200,000 worth of
sunk cost per Morse operator. If we look instead at minimum wage,
costs drop to between $510 to $8,500. So even if you are so unproductive
that you can't find something better to do with your spare time than
clerk at Radio Shack or flip burgers at McDonalds, there's still a
considerable hunk of change tied up in those sunk costs to learn
manual Morse, certainly more than sufficient to buy one of the better
digital appliances that will have better performance on the air than
OOK Morse.

In short, you are suggesting people spend their unproductive time
doing something productive, which is fine, but what you are suggesting
that they do isn't even cost effective at minimum wage in terms of
communications performance. You may argue that they have acquired
a new skill, and I'd agree, but I have to ask what value that
skill represents in today's market. In times past, it might have
opened up employment opportunities, but no more. The few remaining
paying Morse positions are disappearing rapidly, and Morse operators
are being laid off, not hired. OTOH, there is a growing demand for
those with digital communications experience. If we're going to
train operators, we should at least be training them in skills
that will be in demand.

Part 97.1 says amateur radio is to provide a self-trained pool
of operators skilled in the radio arts. Read in the context of
CCA'34 that means radio arts of use to the government and/or the
general public interest, IE the skills mandated should have some
applicability outside the confines of amateur radio sport. That's
largely not the case with Morse Code anymore.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SHOULD THE CODE REQUIREMENT BE DROPPED
Date: 31 Jul 1995 15:19:51 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Orlando
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/No matter what the polls may reflect in terms of opinions, the code
/requirement will never  be dropped -- otherwise they'd call it
/"Citizen's Band" radio.  You'll just have to practice the code, take the
/test, and then forget about it like I did.
/

Not true! All we have to do is make the test a lot harder
to weed out "CB Types". Sooner or later the majority of
HAMS will be "no-code tecs" and they vote.

Jim
KD4PON


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Butch Magee)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I PASSED THE TEST !!!
Date: 31 Jul 1995 15:27:13 GMT
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In article <3vf75c$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (BUDDY10) says:
>
>I passed the 5wpm code test today !

Congratulations to you Buddy10.  Just a little effort will pay off big!
It won't take you long to get to 13 if you just put in 15 minuts a day
whenever it's convenient.  It has been years, but I did my 15 min. in the
car each day going to work, and sometimes at lunch time.

Butch KF5DE


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RUSSELL B. ROSLEWSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Code vs. other ideas
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:35:00 GMT
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In article <3vinkc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Oliver Gross) writes:
....

>What I mean by better is provideing the material,
>like the books from the ARRL, with the needed info
>and not the question pools.

>I may get attacked for this, but I will survive..

>                       Oliver
>                          N9UWI

Oliver,
        I agree with you 100% that the exams are made way too easy by
providing the answers.  In fact, I'd even go farther than (I think) what you
suggest, if you're suggesting that the ARRL books, for example, stay the
same, just without the questions and answers.  I suggest that the FCC just
provide wide areas that you need to learn about.  For example, for the Extra
test (the one I'm studying for now), they would tell us that we needed to
know about satellite operations, EME, FSTV, etc.  Then the ARRL (or whoever)
could publish books that covered these subjects in depth, so that we're
ready to answer any question the FCC can think of.  This way you actually
have to learn the material, and will retain it once the test is over.
        One other thing about testing.  I think they should take out the
asinine questions on spectrum allocations.  I don't know about you, but _I_
sure can't remember "the CW-only frequencies in the 40-meter band for
Advanced-class operators" or any such nonsense.  So what do I (and everybody
else) do when we're unsure and about to operate?  Look at a chart!
        That last paragraph was just venting.  I'm better now.

73,
Russ  KI7FL

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Olson  {x68218 CF/ENG})
Subject: RF/Coax Relay Design ?
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Date: 31 Jul 95 15:36:48 CDT

Can anyone out there help me find out what makes a RF relay, a Rf relay?

My understanding of the design so far is that an RF relay has either the contacts
enclosed (shielded) or that the coil is shielded from the contacts.

I would like to learn the design parameters of Rf/Coax relays for use at VHF
and UHF frequencies, and possibly build a few.

Any help would be appreciated, especially a pointer to some reference books.

Thanks in advance!

Mark Olson N9LTJ

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for D
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In article <3vdnng$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (gregory brown) writes:
>Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: In article <3v3o43$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (gregory brown) writes:
>: >Jim Cummings ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>: >: As the old adage goes - you can't work them if you can't hear them...
>: >
>: >How about another adage: "You can't work them if they don't operate
>: >your mode".  In this regard, Morse beats the daylights out of those
>: >modes.  Technical superiority? Nah.  Current communications
>: >superiority? Yup.
>
>: It's a tautology that you can't work someone not operating your mode,
>: but the inverse is also true.
>
>As though "you can't work them if you can't hear them" _isn't_
>tautologous????  So what?

Ah, but that's the point, you don't *have* to be able to hear them to
work them using better digital codes. The '95 Handbook has an interesting
chart, showing Clover operating at -10 dB SNR. You won't hear that, but
the message still goes through.

>: The early
>: SSB operators couldn't intercommunicate with envelope detector equipped
>: AM operators either, but eventually the superior mode became dominant
>: anyway.
>
>Nice apples-to-oranges comparison.  SSB is a "better" way for two
>people to "talk" to one another.  Computer-aided, machine-to-machine
>digital modes have little in common with human coded and de-coded
>Morse.  You would be more accurate comparing modern digital modes with
>traditional RTTY.

Hand coded Morse is just a less efficient way to transmit text, no
different in concept from RTTY or the more modern digital modes.
In all cases it is what is being *spelled* that matters. That's
the human contribution to the conversation. The purpose of any
communications medium is to facilitate the transmission of thoughts
and ideas from one person to another. The more quickly and accurately
it does that, the better. Almost any digital mode does that better
than manual Morse.

When conditions allow, voice can be even better in terms of communicating
nuances than a text mode, and with even better conditions, visual modes
are better still (the old one picture is worth a thousand words), but when
the going gets tough, its the modern digital modes that keep going when the
other methods can't hack it. They represent the most robust signaling systems
we know how to construct within amateur constraints. They also happen to
be the most cost effective and spectrum and power conserving methods we
can use under harsh conditions. Clover for example occupies only 0.67 Hz
per bit of information passed, nearly 20 times better than OOK Morse
at the same signalling speed.

The performance difference between Clover and manual Morse is several
times greater than the difference between SSB and AM. If SSB won out
against AM in transmitting analog voice because of superior performance,
there's little reason to think digital modes like Clover won't ultimately
win out over manual Morse for transmitting text. Sure, the equipment
required is a bit more complex in both cases, but amateurs have elected
to pay that cost for SSB, and there's little reason to expect that they
won't also ultimately be willing to pay the cost for a better performing
text mode too. Besides, with modern advances in VLSI, costs have actually
declined for both modes. Today's SSB rigs cost less in constant dollars
than comparable AM rigs did in their day. And there's no doubt that
modern digital electronics costs have plummeted compared to the costs
of only a few years ago, even neglecting inflation, while manhour
costs continue to skyrocket.

I have faith that many of the newer amateurs will make the change, if they
are shown the truth. Perhaps many of the old installed base of amateurs,
set in their ways, will continue to fight the change, but in time they'll
all be taking dirt naps, and the issue will be settled, as it was with SSB
vs AM.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Hollenback)
Subject: Re: CQ WW RTTY 1994
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Alex Prikhodko ([e-mail]) wrote:

:   Help !!!!
:   I need result CQ WW RTTY DX CONTEST 1994 !!
:   Help me, please !
:   From RK9CWA gang (ex UZ9CWA,RV9WCY,RH7E,RK9C,RW9C,RU9C,etc.)!
:   73 to all !
:
:  ---------
:  Best regards,
:  Alex Prikhodko, UA9CR
:  E-mail:[e-mail]

so do MANY more of us. They are not  published yet.

Jim, WA6SDM
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Karl Beckman)
Subject: Re: Micor dtmf mods?
Organization: Motorola LMPS - Pvt Data Sys
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In article <3vb5uo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Smitty) wrote:

> Hello,  I just recently purchased a dtmf mic for my UHF Motorola
> Micor. Can someone tell me the mod that needs to be done to the radio
> so the dtmf will work?
>
> Thanks, Smitty
> [e-mail]

Nothing has to be done to the radio if the (Motorola) mic is working
correctly.  If you bought an off-brand, check with their technical support
department.

--

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Perseids Meteor Shower Test
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Richard Harrison) writes:
>Gary:
>
>I"ll be on 6 fm 1200 back packet......50.62
>
>Where will u be ?


Grumble, I'm going to be up on 2 with everyone else I guess.
That's ready to go, and I won't have the six meter station
back on the air in time. (Long sad story about that.) My
highest priority is to get my UHF gear installed in my new
Jeep. I'm in here cooling down from running the DC for that
project right now (Did someone say heat wave? It's barely
noon, and already too hot for any self respecting person to
be out fooling with a car). And my second priority is to
repair the power supply of my FT736R. *Then* I'm going to
think about 6 meters again.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CW an advantage for DXCC?
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In article  [e-mail] writes:
>[e-mail] (Bill Newkirk) writes:
>>Peter Lemken <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>demonstrations of such communications would be in the military in wartime
>>conditions. they're the guys with all the new toys.
>
>Most will not understand this but a DX pile up can be much more severe
>than what one would encounter in the military. The military wouldn't
>purposely limit themselves to a single frequency, and  they would not
>permit dozens and dozens of stations to call a single operator.

Well, the military does have artillery, but shutting up those enemy
jammers is harder than it sounds. Military systems have to work against
a malevolent, intelligent, and resourceful enemy trying their best
to disrupt the communication using every megawatt at their disposal.

Wait, that *does* sound like a DX pileup. Now if this 105 had the range
to reach that lid down in Texas...

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:38 1995
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From: brian@nothing (Brian Kantor)
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Mods are

        cut CR1, CR2, CR403.  Cut the receive antenna loose from the
        antenna relay and install a bulkhead-mount BNC connector for it
        either above the short can on the side of the receiver about 1.5"
        back from the antenna relay, or on the underside of the lid
        (less desireable as it make servicing harder).

        While you're at it, drill a hole in the handle so you can push
        the lid release button without having to unlock the radio and
        drop it off the mounting tray.

Manual:
        the schematics are large foldouts and the board layouts are
        multicolour with greyscreen printing.  They don't Xerox worth
        a damn.  The manual is like $35 from Motorola.  I won't give
        you their 800 number, I promise.

                - Brian


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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>[e-mail] writes:
>>Sex difficulties (all hams have this)   39
>My girlfriend disagrees...
>Jeff NH6IL

Methinks the lad doth protest too much.

Snicker.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: SHOULD THE CODE REQUIREMENT BE DROPPED???????
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In article <3vg228$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Price N3QYE) writes:
>Raymond J. Sarrio ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: You can now vote on the issue of dropping the code requirement for below
>: 30 MHz operations! Check out the ham poll at UR---->
>: http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html. Survey results reported immediately.
>
>No matter what the polls may reflect in terms of opinions, the code
>requirement will never  be dropped -- otherwise they'd call it
>"Citizen's Band" radio.

I don't know who the "they" are that you are referring to, but I
haven't yet heard most amateurs (or the FCC) refer to the amateur
frequencies above 30 MHz as CB. (I have heard it from a disgruntled
few in Maryland, but I consider the source.)

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Adrian)
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Todd Little ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3vaub2$[e-mail]>
: [e-mail] (Frank Adrian) wrote:
: > In the final analysis, it is aesthetics which determine the quality of
: > our lives.

: The problem with using aesthetics to determine "rights" is what
: principals do you apply to determine the extent to which aesthetics
: can be imposed?
I didn't say that aesthetics should be used to determine "rights".  In
fact, I believe that the constitution is very clear on what determines
rights.  And there is no right (as enumerated by the constitution and
upheld by many levels of courts) to build a radio tower in your backyard.

: I find bell bottom jeans unaesthetic.  Does that
: mean it is reasonable to write a CC&R that prohibits bell bottoms?

Absolutely.  And I'd vote for it (the bell-bottom prohibition) at your
local neighborhood association meeting (if I lived there)! :-).

: > Aesthetics are NOT nonsense.  The aesthetic sensibility is probably the
: > only thing that is uniquely human.  In denying aesthetics, you are denying
: > your own humanity.  Go back to the jungle and live with your ape cousins,
: > Monkey-Boy - they won't care if you build a tower.

: The only thing that is uniquely human?  What a stretch.  For someone that
: claims to do object analysis and design, you have an amazing ability to
: exclude relevent domains from your analysis.  If aesthetics were so unique
: and important, why didn't our founding fathers feel the need to protect
: them in the Constitution?  Because aesthetic arguments subject one to
: the whims of those in power.  Perhaps that's why they felt the need to
: explicitly spell out a long list of rights that are inalieable.  They defined and
: used a set of principles to make those decisions instead of popular fashion
: which is generally all aesthetic arguments often amount to.

Again, seem to think the issue is rights, which I have not commented on.  I
do believe that people have rights (I just don't think that the erection of
huge metal structures is one of them).  I am referring to humanity which is
a completely orthogonal issue.  A dog which you own has a right by law not
to be maltreated by you, nonetheless, it is not a human.  What would you
regard as a milestone for humanity, if not aesthetic sensibility?  In the
past, people have plausited language (probably not true as shown by teaching
apes to use ASL), intelligence (obvious disproven by entities such as Con-
gressmen and the average Usenet poster :-), tool use (probably not true as
primitive tool use in chimps has been proven in behavioral experiments), a
soul (an interesting concept, but hardly one which can be proven), and so
forth...

: PS    "Monkey-Boy"?  How cute.  Would you like to insult my mother while
:       you're at it?
OOOH!!! Can I, can I???

: Or perhaps you'd like to have your father beat up
:       my father?
Nah, I'd rather have my mother beat up your mother!

: Good grief!  I find your aesthetically displeasing, perhaps
:       you should be tried for that and executed.  ;-)
Even though I do believe that people have the right to prevent major
aesthetic offenses, I do not believe that it should be a capital crime
(else I would have been deceased long ago :-).  On the other hand,
public taunting is usually a good enough penalty...
___________________________________________________________________________
Frank A. Adrian           ancar technology            Object Analysis,
[e-mail]         PO Box 1624                   Design,
                          Portland, OR 97207              Implementation,
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>If you use a slow charger, IE a 0.1 C rate charger, make sure the pack
>is discharged to where the radio complains before putting on charge,
>charge for just 15 hours, no more, and then take off charge. Don't try
>to charge a partially charged pack, IE one with a terminal voltage
>greater than 1.0 volt per cell. And don't slow charge for more than
>15 hours.

I have a different problem which maybe someone can shed light on.  I
havea 12V battery pack for my FT530.   It discharges at a rapid rate to
where it is alomost useless.  When I attach it to the radio after charging,
the voltage drops continuously from 13.8V or so to discharge (display
blinks) in 30 min or less -- even if not transmitting.  I have been very
careful about charging my batteries so they don't overcharge.  I'm using
the charger I got with my FT530 7V battery to charge the 12V pack
(purchased from W&W).  Someone suggested that this might be the
problem - that it needs a different charger.  I plan on calling W&W to see
what they have to say when I get a chance.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Thanks.

-Steve-
N9XDC



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Wilson)
Subject: Re: Off to the RACES
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[e-mail] wrote:

: From: WF2R@WA2YSM
: To: RACES@NEBBS
: Subject: Is it really necessary?

:     There has been much discussion about ARES/RACES etc on the packet
: system.  One message "crows" about the quality of volunteers in
: California, another "cackles" about a dispute between RACES and ARES
: members in TEXAS.To all these people whom are looking to carve their
: niche in amateur radio by participating in so called emergency
: communications: you are wasting your time.  Emergency communications is
: already provided by many other groups, including the american red cross.
: Yes, the ARC was granted use of 220-223 MC by the FCC for their
: emergency communications use.

Yeah right.

Having permission to operate in a given band segment doesn't mean
that ARC has the equipment deployed, or the operators for same.

Last I spoke with the head of the ARC's communications operation
amateur radio figured quite prominently in their future plans, and
I'd guess that it'll stay that way.

Simple fact in the SF bay area anyway is that ARC is still using
the old VHF single channel gear, and actually doesn't try to
use this hardware at all during real emergencies since there are
several different regions within VHF range of each other. ARES/RACEs
IS the communications branch of the local chapter around here and
is depended upon heavily by same.

Steve Wilson KA6S

: Their attorney who petitioned the FCC is
: also the ARRL General Counsel in WASHINGTON DC.  Most of the members
: belonging to these groups ARES/RACES are bored, lonely people with no
: social ties, the remainder are CONTROL FREAKS, people that want to do
: ONLY THEIR WAY. Just read the packet messages that come out of
: California regarding this topic, and judge for yourself

So you are judging every amateur in the largest state in the union
by the propaganda coming from essentially from one person!   This also
implies I should judge every amateur in 1 land by the
nonsense you put out... I don't think so.  Hey Burt...why don't you
try and get active and help people in a constructive way instead
of sitting back on your laurels and taking pot-shots at people who
are trying to make a difference.   The kind of postings you are
famous for serves nothing but your own ego at considerable expense
to others.

Steve Wilson KA6S



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[e-mail] (Randy Seacat) wrote:

>What exactly are "Call cards"?

>You mean QSL cards?

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>[e-mail] (Ken Harrison) writes:

>>In article <3va0mg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Pat on the head!) writes:
>>> If you are looking for somewhere to get call cards made, look no
>>> further!
>>> I am a highly talented artist ( computer as well as traditional ) and
>>> have the nack to bring your ideas to consept and then to final
>>           ^^^^                        ^^^^^^^
>>> production!

>>Do you spell any better on the QSL cards than you do in your advertisement
>>for services?

>>Ken
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>>__________________________________________________________________________
>>Ken Harrison   ---   [e-mail]   ---   Amateur Radio:  N6MHG
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I made a mistake on the earler post! It should read..................

"Q'cards done cheep!"

I hope this is easy to understand!
P.S. I am not going to be spell check these posts, I don't care!!
If you can't read through type'os' then do what I do, forget it and
look for something else to read.
Hey thatrs easy!
Pat!




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Wilson)
Subject: Re: CCR restrictions (was Re: Local Antenna Restrictions)
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Curtis Wheeler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:

: >The only complaint anyone should have with this is that the CCR's are not
: >conveniently available when house-hunting, and that the need to review the
: >documents can slow the process considerably.  Realtors seldom appreciate
: >the need to do this and certainly prefer not to deal with such complication
: >if it can be avoided.

: Any realtor or seller that doesn't ensure you are aware of CC&Rs and
: provide them to you is irresponsible.  I was told of the CC&Rs on my
: property and had to reveiw them.  The seller's agent had me initial each of
: all 30 pages of them.  If there was anything I couldn't live with, I had
: the right to call it off.

: They are not a petty item.  Sellers can be sued for not dislosing them.

: A buyer that doesn't ask about them is ignorant.  If the buyer's, or
: potential buyer's agent doesn't get them, he is incompetent.

: --
: Curtis Wheeler - Pleasanton, CA

Curtis,

You are living in a dream land.  (or rather...California ;-)

California has a full disclosure law NOW.  They didn't 10 years or
so ago when I bought my house in the San Jose area!  This law
isn't universal either.  You won't necessarily get the same treatment
in other states.

The other simple fact that you are ignoring is that Real Estate
agents are of the same ilk as used-car salesmen! ( and me doing
this after yelling at Burt Fisher to stop painting all CA hams
active in RACES/ARES with the same brush ;-)

I'm afraid that you'll find that Jack's point of view comes
closer to representing reality in most states.

Steve KA6S


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James L. McKiel)
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I have reciently downloaded some files for studying for the General
Ham test.  These files were in *.zip format. The only executable
I have to UnZip these is PKUNZIP. This program will not work. It says
that it doesn't know how to handle the files, or something like that.
Does anyone have or know where I can get a program which works to
unzip these?

Thanks,

Jim
KD4IHG


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:48 1995
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Subject: NORTH EAST CONNECT INFORMATION SOUGHT
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I am looking for information on the North East connect repeater network...
the closest access point to me is in New Windsor, New York (near poughkeepsie)


due to intervening(sp?) terrain I cannot reach the reapeter.  The owner is
WB2BQW.  I am looking to see if I can find information about this repeater and
where it links to?

--Dave Graff
KB2RUM
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 31 20:42:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Kuehnel)
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Hello!
Is there any more advanced PR-Software for the Mac than virtuoso1.3 ?????
Frank Kuehnel, DH6FAR, Eschborn/Germany
[e-mail]

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Frank Eschborn