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From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:49:51
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: AEA PK12 -> TCP/IP
Date: 5 Jun 1995 14:46:38 GMT
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Any quirks or advice I can use or know about concerning using the
AEA PK 12 with TCP/IP specifically JNOS Vi.

Thanks in advance.

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From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:49:52
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Bramwell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Anyone running Linux, nos, and wormhole software?
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:50:26 GMT
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I have a very well connected (internet T1) Linux box with a good ant and a
radio/tnc.

How do I get a wormhole setup so the locals can packet to other areas?

I have used dos nos in the past.  I am looking for an easy to setup linux
version.


From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:49:53
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                I have 1000 BA1404 stereo transmitter chips. If your
        interested, I'm at [e-mail]

        p.s. All sells include full data sheets


From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:49:53
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From: [e-mail] (Alan )
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Subject: Baycom w/ TM-742A
Date: 6 Jun 1995 14:20:46 GMT
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I'd like to hear from anyone who has used a Baycom modem with the
Kenwood TM-742A.  Hints, advice, explicit instructions are all welcome.

73 de Alan KJ5ZD

kj5zd@k3wgf.#sat.tx.usa.noam
[e-mail]

From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:49:54
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From: [e-mail] (Aart Wedemeijer)
Date: 05 Jun 95 18:40:34
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Digital squelch
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01-Jun-95 16:53, Clark W. Hanley wrote to All
          Subject: Digital squelch

 CWH>    Does any one have information on the Digital squelch that is comming
 CWH> into
 CWH> use on more and more Non-Ham radio nets?  I know it is a digital
 CWH> sequence sent
 CWH> like  CTCSS only it is decodes for its numerical value instead of its
 CWH> frequency.

I don't favor digital squelch. When there are more 'speeds' on the same
freq (2k4 - 4k8 - 9k6) the squelch only hears his own speed and ignores
the others. Many collisions occur then. Analog squelch is non-selective
and waites until the freq is clear.

73, aart pa3cpl (ax25: pi8awt; tcpip 44.137.12.13)



   [e-mail] (fastest)
   or [e-mail]
   Greetings from Aart Wedemeijer

From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:05
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Digital squelch
Date: 6 Jun 1995 15:47:56 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Aart Wedemeijer) wrote:
>
>01-Jun-95 16:53, Clark W. Hanley wrote to All
>          Subject: Digital squelch
>
> CWH>    Does any one have information on the Digital squelch that is comming
> CWH> into
> CWH> use on more and more Non-Ham radio nets?  I know it is a digital
> CWH> sequence sent
> CWH> like  CTCSS only it is decodes for its numerical value instead of its
> CWH> frequency.
>
>I don't favor digital squelch. When there are more 'speeds' on the same
>freq (2k4 - 4k8 - 9k6) the squelch only hears his own speed and ignores
>the others. Many collisions occur then. Analog squelch is non-selective
>and waites until the freq is clear.
>
>73, aart pa3cpl (ax25: pi8awt; tcpip 44.137.12.13)
>
>
>
>   [e-mail] (fastest)
>   or [e-mail]
>   Greetings from Aart Wedemeijer

You are talking about different things.  I think Clark was referring to the
"Digital Private Line" system used by Motorola to share analog FM radio
channels.  Unlike analog PL, which has 36 tone frequencies, digital PL uses
512 digital codes.  The code is sent continuously at a low baud rate (80
baud?) in the 0-300 HZ band under the voice modulation.  I think it is some
sort of Golay code, as Dr. Golay worked for Motorola for a while.  But that's
about all I know about it, I've never seen it work. I'd like to learn more
about it.  Maybe sometime I'll get some surplus equipment in here and reverse
engineer it.  I don't think Motorola ever made all the details public.  Did
any other manufacturers use a similar or compatible scheme?

As for digital "squelch" (DCD) on packet, my objection to Aart's theory starts
with "when there are more "speeds" on one channel..."  This is just a bad idea
to begin with, analog or digital DCD.  All stations on a channel should be
able to intercommunicate for best results.  The only reason (and unfortuantely
it's often a valid one) to have more than one speed on a channel is politics.
 Using digital DCD is clearly better on a single-speed channel, especially for
the remotely located nodes, as a misadjusted squelch control or the slightest
amount of intermod or QRM can hold the squelch open and make the node
unuseable.

-Mike

From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:06
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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Sybrandy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: FFT Processors
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 09:08:58 -0800
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I am looking for an FFT processor chip.

I know of one chip, the TRW TMC2310, from the 1991 TRW LSI Products
Databook.

This chip performs up to 1024 point FFTs and uses external memory for
array storage. I would like to find a chip that will do an 8K FFT with
internal array storage.

Has anyone heard of such a chip, or at least other manufacturers that
make chips similar to the TMC2310?

Thanks,

Andrew L. Sybrandy
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Albert S Woodhull)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: ftp site for ethrax25?
Date: 7 Jun 1995 18:31:02 GMT
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A week or so ago someone posted a note to rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
recommending ethrax25, a modified packet driver producing AX.25 UI
frames for a KISS interface.

The post did not say where to find the driver. I looked in a few ftp
sites and didn't find it. Can somebody suggest an ftp site site where
it may be found?

Thanks and 73, Al N1AW

Albert S. Woodhull, Hampshire College, Amherst, MA
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
413-549-2962

From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:07
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Smith)
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Subject: HELP W/ JNOS
Date: 6 Jun 1995 00:52:24 GMT
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Wondering if someone could help me out.  Tryig to RUN JNOSi on
COM 1 (4800) into a AEA PK12.  My address is 44.36.8.55.  I am
having trouble - Using GRINOS I can do an AX25 connect but many
lines are dropped.  Using JNOS and an AX25 connect I see the XMT
and DCD lights go off as the should for an AX.25 connect but
nothing comes to the screen.  Could someone be a real dear and
post an example of their autoexec.nos file back to me - looking
for something simple - all of the examples I have are for very
complicated systems.

Thanks
73 de Bob, N3FTU
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From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:08
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From: [e-mail] (Walter Kornienko (GC-DSTI) <waltk>)
Subject: HELP: Kwd TM-231 & 9600baud
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Howdy. I recently acquired a PK-96 and would like to know where
to inject Tx audio, i.e., where is the varactor? Also, where do
I get the Rx audio, i.e. where is the discriminator.  I tried
hooking it to pin 9(?) of what appears to be an IC in the audio
chain.  Specifics would be greatly appreciated. Incidentally,
the PK-96 manual says that most rigs today (mar 94) have the
discriminator at pin 9 on the IC. Evidently, most 2M rigs use
the same family of IC. Your help would be greatly appreciated.
73 & Many Thanx  de Walt - K2WK

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Senior Software Engineer                        Dover, New Jersey
Decision Systems Technology Inc.                201-724-3158
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From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:09
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From: [e-mail] (Walter Kornienko (GC-DSTI) <waltk>)
Subject: HELP: PK-96
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Howdy.  I recently acquired a PK-96 and can't seem to be able to
simply monitor 9.6 packet.  With HBAUD set to 9600 the DCD light
flickers in the presence OR absence of any packet activity.
Loopback tests at 9600 seem OK. No problems with 1200 baud.
The radio is a Kwd TM-231, which the manual says should work
with the PK-96, after some modification to the TX.
Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. 73 de Walt - K2WK

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Senior Software Engineer                        Dover, New Jersey
Decision Systems Technology Inc.                201-724-3158
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From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:10
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
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Subject: Re: HELP: PK-96
Date: 7 Jun 1995 00:30:17 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Walter Kornienko (GC-DSTI) <waltk>) wrote:
>Howdy.  I recently acquired a PK-96 and can't seem to be able to
>simply monitor 9.6 packet.  With HBAUD set to 9600 the DCD light
>flickers in the presence OR absence of any packet activity.
>Loopback tests at 9600 seem OK. No problems with 1200 baud.
>The radio is a Kwd TM-231, which the manual says should work
>with the PK-96, after some modification to the TX.
>Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. 73 de Walt - K2WK
>
First, see if you're getting a useable signal out of the radio by connecting
an oscilloscope to the "audio" line from the radio to the TNC, which needs to
come from somewhere other than the speaker jack, of course.  I'm not familiar
with the 231, so these instructions are unfortuantely somewhat generic.

Even one of those old 5 MHz bandwidth scopes will work for this, although
triggered sweep is nice.  A good 9600 baud packet signal looks like a series
of overlapping sine waves (the frequency of the sine waves is 4800 Hz)  A bad
signal looks, well, NOT like a series of overlapping sine waves.  The
important feature to look for is open 'eyes' under the peaks of the sine
waves.  The space inside these eyes is the margin your TNC has to decide if
the bits are ones or zeros.  Having the operator of the station you're trying
to decode put it into "calibrate" mode will make it a lot easier to see the
signal, as a carrier will then be present continuously for several seconds.
The radio may be off frequency, or maybe it's just not getting enough RF into
it and you need to move the antenna slightly.  If the radio is off frequency,
the tops or bottoms of the pattern will be distorted.  If there's not enough
signal, then you'll just see noise all the time.  If the signal looks good
(and probably it doesn't) then maybe it's the wrong level for the TNC, or
something else TNC-related is not right.  Those are unlikely though, since it
passed the loopback test.

-Mike KD4QDM

From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:10
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Hall)
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Subject: I use zterm for Mac. Any other shareware?
Date: 3 Jun 1995 19:22:16 GMT
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  I use Zterm wit my Mac for packet 2 meter..Do you know of any ther
programs that might be even better?..Jeff N6MYF

From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:11
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Subject: Re: KANTRONICS DATA ENGINE help!
Date: 6 Jun 1995 01:47:34 GMT
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In <3qjbks$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (ron bardarson) writes:
>
>Well, I finally recovered my Data Engine from my ex-wife.
>1) Anybody have a manual I can obtain?
>
>2) Anybody know any software for this unit?

I own a DAtaengine in which I have 2 modems installed, a 1200 baud and a
9600 buad. I use it on the local tcpip packet switch. The Dataengine is still
sold by Kantronics (and Ham Radio Outlet) and the manual can be obtained from
the factory.

Kantronics
1202 E. 23rd. St.
Lawrence Kansas 66046

[phone]

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From: [e-mail] (FERID TRBIC)
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Subject: Kenwood Control Software
Date: 6 Jun 95 07:12:31 GMT
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HI Everybody!

I met with some Kenwood Control programs for IF-232c (AK, KENCON..),
but I saw that they are not so great for me, and I tried to make some
own software (only VGA). Anybody who is interested in my program, can
send me a request, or I can send it to some FTP-site. But where and how?

73 de T94TF,  [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:12
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From: [e-mail] (andrew peter.cropley)
Subject: Looking for a source for NOS or JNOS and opinions on same
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 I have decided it time to start explore the digital aspects of hamming
and will be purchasing my first TNC shortly.

 I would like to run TCP/IP and it is my understanding that one needs
NOS (Network Operating System). How does one attain this??

 Also, Heard there was another one out there called JNOS. Looking for
opinions on both. i.e. which is best,which is the one everyone has, etc

   Thanks,
       Andy Cropley
          KG2AQ


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From: Bob Winingham <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Macintosh tracking program
Date: 5 Jun 1995 22:51:07 GMT
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I like orbitTrack
most info-mac locations or AOL

Bob kc5ejk@onramp,net



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From: [e-mail] (Raymond E. Gauthier)
Date: 04 Jun 95 11:06:00
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Subject: Message screening program
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Hello one and ALL (whoever he is),

Does anybody know of a program a person can use to filter out selected
 messages? That is to say, some program which will look for a particular string
 in a selected segment of the message header and REMOVE them.  Fastecho has a
 method to Carbon Copy messages to another area, but frankly (like others) six
 messages asking all to 'subscribe' or 'message not deliverable' is a bit much.

Ray
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From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:14
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Message screening program
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Raymond E. Gauthier) writes:
>Hello one and ALL (whoever he is),
>
>Does anybody know of a program a person can use to filter out selected
> messages? That is to say, some program which will look for a particular string
> in a selected segment of the message header and REMOVE them.  Fastecho has a
> method to Carbon Copy messages to another area, but frankly (like others) six
> messages asking all to 'subscribe' or 'message not deliverable' is a bit much.

That's what killfiles do in a standard usenet newsreader. I see you're
on fidonet, and probably are using some program that runs under the
Microsoft program loader (DOS). You should be able to hack what you
need using the DOS versions of grep, awk, and sed, though doing it
with a DOS version of perl might be easier. If you've got a Snobol IV
interpreter on the system, you could write a trivial program to do it.
I suppose you could even write a Microsoft Basic program to do it,
but I wouldn't want to have to do that. :-(

Gary
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I am in the process of putting together a new HAM 'shack', and I have
come across an interesting 'snag'.

I have heard, many times before, to be sure the HAM radio ground is NOT
grounded to the house wiring ground system.  Various explanations follow,
usually to avoid having the house wiring turn into a massive antenna.

Anyways, I was SURE to separate the two and overlooked one point . . .
packet !  My TNC uses a serial cable, connected to my computer, which in
turn has a grounded chassis!  Argh!  To top it all off, the serial cable
is NOT the right way to ground to a 'secondary' ground.  Talk about a
'high' resistance path to ground, forming an 'ideal' ground loop!!!!

My question is, "How can I avoid this, and if I cannot, what effect will
grounding to the house ground REALLY have?"  "What are my OTHER options?"

Thanks for your replies in advance,
Jeff
VE3QED

Please e-mail your responses to [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Scott Whittle)
Subject: Need mods for Standard CS-558
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 14:51:31 GMT
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I need any mods that are available for the Standard CS-558
Thanks
Scott

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From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:16
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
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Subject: Re: Node name confusion
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
<Very interesting discussion snipped>
: so patience may be rewarded. Of course they *could* be transmitting
: their legal call signs in Morse, that's permitted, so unless
: you are in direct RF range you may never know the true identity
: of some of them because the network isn't going to relay Morse.

Gary,

PMFJI, but can the network relay Morse?  I accept that it doesn't, but
is that a matter of convenience, or is it a hardware problem?

TIA,
Bill
KC7JSD

From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:17
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Node name confusion
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In article <3r2g68$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill Blohm) writes:
>Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
><Very interesting discussion snipped>
>: so patience may be rewarded. Of course they *could* be transmitting
>: their legal call signs in Morse, that's permitted, so unless
>: you are in direct RF range you may never know the true identity
>: of some of them because the network isn't going to relay Morse.
>
>Gary,
>
>PMFJI, but can the network relay Morse?  I accept that it doesn't, but
>is that a matter of convenience, or is it a hardware problem?

Neither. It's a matter of the concept of the role of the network.
The network's role is to accept requests to forward traffic to a
specific destination address. The Morse ID doesn't make a forwarding
request, nor does it supply a destination address. Where would you
suggest the network forward the Morse ID? Perhaps to [e-mail]?

You don't want the network relaying *all* local RF activity across
the network. First, because it would overload the network trunks,
and second, because most local traffic has a local destination. In
the case of Morse IDs, they have no meaning outside their local
RF domain where they can be associated with the RF carrier they
are identifying.

Gary

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From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:18
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From: [e-mail] (Paul A. Grayce)
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Subject: NOS and SLIP
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Anyone point me to an information source on how I can use my
NOS for the landline (i.e., FTP via twisted pair); any suggestions
(other than RTFD) would be appreciated; StartNOS doesn't mention
how and as a neophyte to TCP/IP, it stumps me.  Thanks. Paul, K3LLH


From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:18
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
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Subject: Re: Packet BBS locations
Date: 5 Jun 1995 19:00:53 GMT
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And I'd like that info as well (about an internet location for this info).

I'm interested in packet bbs in the Nampa, ID & Boise, ID areas.  I only
know of one here.

Bill B.
KC7JSD
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Dexter Wm. Francis)
Subject: Re: PK 88, Macintosh & Yeasu
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In article <3qjibr$[e-mail]>, Bob Winingham <[e-mail]>
wrote:
>
> You should not have any problem
> I run pk-96 to a mac II and just plugeed in a modem
> cable, but is Savant still around
> People on AOL can't seem to find the author.
>
> 73
>
> BOB     --   [e-mail]  --

Greetings all -

Savant is still available from Sigma Design Associates at P.O. Box 49085
Colorado Springs Colorado.  We also have the PacketMac Modem and latest
version of SoftKiss.  You can e-mail reply here or get us on Compuserve
at 70611,1340.

(Jim VanPerursem (author of Savant) got a "real" job with the wireless
division of Motorola and they forced him to stop doing work that might be a
conflict of interest, so he transfered the rights to Savant to Sigma.)

-df (N0YLJ)

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Subject: Re: PMNOS
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From: [e-mail] (John Wilson)
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Donaldson) writes:
>   A friend of mine got PMNOS.EXE for his OS/2 system. He is running the
>WG7J version of NOS under a DOS window. he then unarchived the PMNOS and
>put the pnnos.exe is the same directry that he has nos.exe in. when he trys
>to run PMNOS he get the error msg.
>
>   CAN NOT FIND PARAMETERS  or something of that order.
>
>  Any way, PMNOS is NOT finding the Autoexec file or cannot read a entry in.
>Also when he attempts to enter the ATTACH command manually, it balks
>
>  Can someone that is running PMNOS, send me a copy of their Autoexec.nos
>file..
>  Also can he ue the same files he has setup and ect.
>  Also does he have to install the PI drv that came with it. The docs mention
>it is for a perticular board, which he doesn't have.
>
>John D.
>--
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It depends on which version of PMNOS he's running - I was trying to run 1.1 (I'm not too
sure if the major version is correct, but the minor one is) until I just got 1.2. It seems PMNOS
prefers it's control files to be in the root directory - under the DOS version, I ran everything
from a NOS subdirectory, and used the SUBST command to make it the root, but as OS/2
doesn't support SUBST (someone prove me wrong here, please) the AUTOEXEC.NOS and all
the other control files require to be in the root directory. I haven't tried running 1.2 yet,
so I don't know if this little quirk has been amended.


John.

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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Wilson) writes:
>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Donaldson) writes:
>>   A friend of mine got PMNOS.EXE for his OS/2 system. He is running the
>>WG7J version of NOS under a DOS window. he then unarchived the PMNOS and
>>put the pnnos.exe is the same directry that he has nos.exe in. when he trys
>>to run PMNOS he get the error msg.
>>
>>   CAN NOT FIND PARAMETERS  or something of that order.

If in the Settings page for the OS/2 icon you set up to start PMNOS under the Parameters section
put the following:  -d\tcpip ae_pmnos
The -d tells pmnos what directory the files are located. The ae_pmnos tells
pmnos the name of the autoexec.nos file that you use. My autoexec.nos file is
named ae_pmnos and I have it in my c:\tcpip directory.


From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:22
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From: [e-mail] (Andre Noel Dusablon)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: TCP/IP in Portland, OR?
Date: 6 Jun 1995 22:16:57 GMT
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I'm looking for a node that has internet capabilities in the Portland
area.  Does anyone know of any???
tnx
kb7vty
Andy

--
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From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:25
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From: [e-mail] (Gareth Rowlands)
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Subject: The NOS Family
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I've just seen a posting by Andy Cropley who wishes to run NOS, and enquiring
about the suitability of JNOS too.

The following is a personal opinion and doubtless some gurus may wish to
publicly fight a corner,  or hopefully enlighten us more about the
capabilities of the NOS flavours !

If I havn't mentioned your NOS here, sorry - please let us know !


NOS by KA9Q (Phil Karn) is the Great Grand-Daddy of them all.  Derived
from NET (the great-great Grandad - which can still be found in an
Acorn Archimedes version).  The original by the Master.

PA0GRI is a Grandad.  Appears in the form NOS_00.a where the `00' and
the `a' make up the release number.  Documentation for PA0GRI is often
a lot easier to understand than for some modern versions, and is often
just as valid too !

G1EMM is another `grandad' NOS.  Parts of G1EMM's code have found their
way into other NOS's too.

WNOS (by WAMPES)  In its day, respected for being one of the most stable.
Contains a notorious auto-router that you will either love or hate.  Still
developed, but I think more for Linux than DOS (?)  It lives a little way
out from the family tree, and is more like a cousin if such a thing were
possible, to GRI and EMM NOS.

JNOS (from WG7J NOS) is now a father NOS, and is still enthusiastically
supported by a wide following, and under continual development still.
JNOS was born of the need to make the `bbs' part more acceptable and usable
by  `vanilla' AX25 users.  Interfaces well to the `plain' AX25 world.
JNOS has perhaps the widest following of `modern' NOS's.  Latest version
is 1.10j

K2MF and WA3DSP both produce versions apparently based on an earlier JNOS
around the time of 1.08.  They are refined `super stable' derivatives
designed for heavy duty use in network linchpin operations.

TNOS (Tampa NOS)  Said to contain an enhanced BBS front end to attract AX25
users.  Seems to be aimed at the Linux rather than DOS following.

UKNOS (G8FSL and G0MHD) seems based on JNOS 1.10i and is the latest newcomer.
Should support the Baycom four port USCC card in open squelch radio situations.
Enhanced NNTP gateway.

You may have learned to drive on a particular car, but you're probably
driving a different one know, and may have gone through quite a few !
The skills required to drive the various members of the NOS family are the
same, but the indicator sticks are sometimes in different places, and
after changing you may hit the windscreen wash instead of the horn !!

Please bear in mind that the make-up of your chosen NOS will depend on
the options chosen in `config.h' during compile-time.  Generally speaking,
NOS developers release a set of executables which they think people
will want.  For maximum flexibility and choice its best to either get
a suitable compiler (and they vary !!) and the source code for your chosen
NOS or find someone who will roll one for you.  A 386 compile of a NOS may
release as much as an extra 25k for the `core', but not all 386 versions
of NOS are stable - some 186 NOS's won't run on a 286 so be careful !

If you are new to NOS, and starting out, here's my best advice:

Use what your friends use !

Cheers,

Gareth.


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From: [e-mail] (Gareth Rowlands)
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Subject: Re: The NOS Family
Date: 6 Jun 1995 18:25:40 +0100
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Mike Chace has asked me to post this description of WNOS for
those interested in the family of NOS.  It's perhaps fair to
point out that other NOS's may contain some special facilities
described here.

Many thanks for your description Mike,

Cheers,

Gareth.

<START OF ARTICLE>


WNOS was developed by DB3FL and was a hybrid of the popular WAMPES (that's
what the W in WNOS stands for) software for Unix and KA9Q NOS .  I looked after
it in the UK and DC0HK (aka G8SAU) is now continuing development since Mike,
DB3FL seems to have given up.

It is a DOS-based NOS and has no connection with Linux.  What makes it very
different from other NOS versions is primarily the user interface which
provides separate screens for each session, the command interpreter and
the trace screen.  The user switches about each screen by hitting a
function key.  Each session also shows the important session parameters on
a permanent status line at the top of each screen eg FTP shows bytes in or
out, AX.25 shows packets unacked, link delay time etc.  The status line means
that you can instantly see the progress of your session without having to
type commands like "ax stat 02fe" (but also painfully reminds you how slow
our networks are :-)) Split screen is also supported so that you can key-in
outgoing text without it being lost in incoming stuff.

It isn't a distant cousin of KA9Q NOS.  It's as far removed from the "vanilla"
code as any of the other NOS versions.

It's a shame that few people understand the autorouter, WNOS's other major
differentiator.  It's very easy to understand -- either the IP one or the
one that works at the AX.25 level.  After all, all it does is to automatically
maintain either the IP routing table or the AX.25 routing table, things which
most users are quite comfortable about (or perhaps they don't realise that there
is an "ax25 route" command in most NOS variants?).  When used, it makes for a
system as useful to end-users as NET/ROM but without the overheads as it's all
hop-2-hop ack'ed at level 2.  You can just type "connect g7xyz" and the
autorouter does the rest -- see how WNOS doesn't even need to know the
interface name!

Still, if you hate the autorouter, you can always switch it off!

<END OF ARTICLE>



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Subject: Re: TNC WIRING
Date: 7 Jun 1995 02:00:01 GMT
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I would check to make sure mycall has your call in the tnc. Soundds like the tnc
parameters maybe the problem.

regard/73...jeff



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I would check to make sure mycall has your call in the tnc. Soundds like the tnc
parameters maybe the problem.

regard/73...jeff



From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:28
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Hall)
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Subject: TPK help request
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Hi.  I'm trying to run TPK182 on an ancient IBM compatible.  The program
seems to run just fine, the terminal mode is ok and it correctly uploads
outgoing messages to my local BBS.  However, it refuses to pick up any
messages or message headers.  It's as if it were deaf to the bbs.

Any help or suggestions would be welcome.  Thanks in advance, and 73

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                           MICROWAVE SYSTEM COMPLETE FOR SALE

San/Bar 12 gig Digital microwave with redundant transmitter and recever.
 IncludesI LeeMah status monitor systerm, dryer one side.  Two antennas with
covers appx 6 ft dia  with covers and mounting hardware.  Was in working
condition when it was took out of service 9 months ago.  Will require new
wave guide to an from antenna flexible.,  There is a back up battery system
but it would be cost prohibitive to ship.  I believe all the manuals are
intact with schematics.  This unit was use for a 50 pair telephone cable
system  but has many other uses (ie closed data trans . video)
Intro:  the DMR is a quadriphase modulated transmission system which can
0perate in several bands from 7.125 to 19.04 Ghz.  The units are modularized
for quick part replacement in the field.  Racks are included   If interested
I will fax more specs.  SERIOUS INQUIRES ONLY.  WILL CONSIDER ANY AND ALL
OFFERS.   FAX  [phone]   USA.       Can ship world wide via sea &
surface

contact [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Don Russ)
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Subject: Re: VHF Weather Satellites
Date: 6 Jun 1995 18:35:17 GMT
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In article <3qjve0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Hello. I am interested in getting a system to receive wefax from the vhf
>weather
>satellites. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what is a good system?
>I am considering the A&A Engineering HF and VHF weather fax interface
>along
>with either a scanner or some other VHF receiver.
>Please list any suggestions or experiences.
>Thank you,
>Mike - N5PSI

I use a MULTI-FAX system with excelent resolution.  DON'T get the Dr.
Taggert/ A&A system because they drift.  MULTI-FAX has all the parts
necessary.

I don't have their number but you can find it in the Weather sat handbook.
 Their BBS is 716-425-8759.  You can get a peek at what you can get from
there.

--
Don Russ                            Microwave Data Systems
[e-mail]          [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:31
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From: [e-mail] (Jennifer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Virtual Electronic Swap Meet
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Check it out:


http://www.westes.com/


Lots of ham, electronic and test equipment for sale.

Many links to intresting ham sites.

Have something to sell, place an ad.

Looking for that one of a kind item, place an ad.

Add you club or swap meet to our lists.

From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:31
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From: [e-mail] (John Heaton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: what site is KA9Q sftwr on??
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 01:13:24 GMT
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[e-mail] (Brad Johannes) wrote:

> I would like to find a site which I can FTP KA9Q TCP/IP software from.  I was
>planning on buying the ARRL book NOSintro and according to the add it uses
>this version of the software.  Any sugestions?

        ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/packet/tcpip/.....

        http://www.mcc.ac.uk/UCSD/packet/tcpip/....
        ftp://www.mcc.ac.uk/pub/UCSD/packet/tcpip/....

>Brad, KB0HNN
>[e-mail]

John


From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:32
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From: Bob Winingham <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Wiring KPC-3 to Radio?
Date: 5 Jun 1995 22:46:34 GMT
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>> I recently purchased a KPC-3, and I'm getting ready to wire up
>>the connections to my radio (the much-maligned HTX-202).

I just got the correct MFJ made TNC cable at TUCKER and left
the jumper as it was. I was ready to make a cable, but did not need to
this time.

Bob  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed 07 Jun 95 15:50:33
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Wiring KPC-3 to Radio?
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: Wiring KPC-3 to Radio?

>>...KPC-3, and I'm getting ready to wire up
>>the connections to my radio (the much-maligned HTX-202).

The vast majority of HTX-202s are quite solid performers.


Here's the TNC hook up for the Radio Shack 2m HT:

   TNC                                         Radio
   ===                                         =====

Audio Out  -----------||--------------  Tip of Mic plug
                      C1     |
                             |
PTT Line   ----\/\/\/--------|          Ring of Mic (not connected)
                 R1

Audio In   ---------------------------  Tip of speaker plug

Ground     ---------------------------  Ring of Speaker plug

C1 is a 0.1 mfd capacitor of any type, R1 is 2200 ohms.


Gawd, Dan...I do not remember changing any jumpers in my KPC-3 to enable
use with my HTX-202. Someone else here is going to know for you!
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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:05
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: 9600 Baud,  what are you using?
Date: 11 Jun 1995 17:52:54 GMT
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Could you let me know what you find out Mark -

TEKK radios and Motorolas are in high regard here but I have no
idea how to find them.  Seem like the ideal - they seem to go for
around $100 or so.

MFJ has a data radio out for 2M only that does 9.6.  I think 440
will be more prevelent soon though.

[o]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~[o]
 |      Bob Smith                  N3FTU      |
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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:05
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From: [e-mail] (Glenn Thomas)
Subject: Re: 9600 Baud,  what are you using?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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I am using an ICOM-271E with the MFJ TNC/modem for 9600. Other stations
in my area are using ICOM IC-290's. A small amount of work is required
to make these radios do 9600, but it was worth it! -

73 de Glenn

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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:06
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From: [e-mail] (John Paul Morrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: 9600 bps for Ottawa PI card?
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What's a good way to add a 9600 bps modem to the Ottawa PI card?
(either A or B port).


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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:07
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Bramwell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Anyone have list of mods for 9600 baud packet on various radios?
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 16:24:47 GMT
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We will be going to 9600 baud soon on our BBS.  Is there a listing of what
radios will work with what mods?

Example:  I have a Kenwood 721.  Can it work with 9600?

Many people have many different radios.  A listing of successes and failures
would be great.


From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:07
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From: [e-mail] (Marcus Damberger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Anything better then 9600? 56K?
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 03:03:47 -0600
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   I have been reading and seeing a lot about the 9600bps packet modem's
around. Doing TCP/IP in KISS and all. What I was wonder if you can get one
that could do better then 9600bps, like 56Kbps or slightly less? I would
think that this speed could compare to bi-directional land line
connections at 144K. I would like to do TCP/IP using this method. As I
have a friend that is 20mi away and has to pay toll charges to connect up
to the net via GTE. It would cost him $3 per hour at night.. The best band
to do this on would be 70cm as it has the allotted bandwidth for this sort
of thing. Any comments would greatly be appreciated.


                  -Marcus Damberger / N9RZE Amateur Radio

From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:08
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From: [e-mail] (Eric Brombaugh)
Subject: Baycom Artwork?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (Internet Direct Admin)
Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 20:50:00 GMT
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Hello Folks,

I spotted the schematic for the Baycom Packet modem in the 6-95 issue
of 73.  I was wondering if anyone knows where I can find the artwork
for that circuit?  In particular, I'm looking for postscript or
DXF, etc. files available somewhere on the net.

I have looked on Baycom's WWW page, but they have no technical info
there and haven't updated since middle of last month.

If all else fails, I could fudge up my own, but I'd like to see the
official layout.

Thanks!

--
Eric Brombaugh    KC7GXA
[e-mail] (home)
[e-mail]   (work)

From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:09
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From: [e-mail] (JB Murdico)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Baycom Gateway On Linux
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I am thinking about setting a packet gateway up with a baycom  packet
modem.. I was  just wondering if there was software and drivers  for
Linux to do this.. Thanks.


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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:09
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From: [e-mail] (Sid Boyce)
Subject: Re: Baycom Gateway On Linux
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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    There was a thread on this some time ago, the baycom demands the
CPU most of the time, so won't work with any multi-tasking operating
system.......too many interrupts to be serviced.
73...
Sid...G3VBV...Amdahl(UK).....

From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:10
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From: [e-mail] (Charles Brain)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: clover info
Date: 11 Jun 1995 07:48:45 GMT
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In article <3pdrat$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says:
>
>
>        Where could I obtain more information about Clover? References to qex etc maybe
>(I do not get this). Ideally a internet ftp archive. Is it feasible to build up your own system?
>
>
>        Thanks
>
>
Hello,
 I am not aware of any internet sites for information on Clover.
HAL electronics in the US are the manufacturers. It is a heavily DSP
based modem and the routines are proprietry. It uses a combination of
PSK and FSK and also I think uses amplitute information. I.E it is a
fairly complex waveform. There are also very few people using it I
have only worked 4 other stations from europe so far, mainly I guess
because of the poor sunspot count.
 HAL have a bulletin board but the number I have for it no longer works
so I guess they have changed it!
 There was a description in RSGB's Radcom of a couple of years ago.
Personally I believe that Clover will die a death for amateur
communications when Pactor II is released, my spies tell me that
certain organisations are already evaluating Pactor II.
 You can hear Clover on 14.064MHZ to 14.066MHZ LSB (if yoyu are lucky)
its data bursts are a lot longer than pactor and it sounds like
a chorus of frogs!

Sorry to be so negative

Regards Charles G4GUO

From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:11
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From: [e-mail] (Barbara Fehner)
Subject: DIGICOM V5.00 FTP Site now available
Reply-To: [e-mail]
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I have just set up a FTP site for the Digicom Packet programs. The
version 5.00 packages for the C64 and C128 computers are there along
with the Instruction manual (USA Edition). Please read the README file
first.

ftp.cts.com/pub/fehner
ftp://ftp.cts.com/pub/fehner

Have fun,

Barbara KK6IB
E-Mail:  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:12
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From: [e-mail] (brad crew)
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Subject: Digicomm V5.0
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does anyone have the digicomm v5.0 software for the c64. I have been unable to
find an ftp site that has this version. If you can Email me :
[e-mail]
or give me a site.

cheers Brad

From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:12
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From: [e-mail] (Barbara Fehner)
Subject: Re: Digicomm V5.0
Reply-To: [e-mail]
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[e-mail] (brad crew) wrote:

>does anyone have the digicomm v5.0 software for the c64. I have been unable to
>find an ftp site that has this version. If you can Email me :
>[e-mail]
>or give me a site.

>cheers Brad

Brad, You can get the Digicom V5.00 packages for both the C64 and C128
and the Instruction manual at my FTP site.

ftp.cts.com/pub/fehner
ftp://ftp.cts.com/pub/fehner

I just finished setting the site up. Be sure to read the README file
first.

Have fun,
Barbara KK6IB
E-Mail:  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:13
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Plumbly)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: FAX/SSTV for LINUX?
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Hi,  does anyone out there know of software for
LINUX for FAX/SSTV?
Particularly to COPY FAX via the PK232MBX

Thanks.
Ken
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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:14
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From: [e-mail] (Laurent Ferracci)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Gracillis buy out, was Email Address for Paccomm
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 21:42:30 GMT
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[e-mail] (Steve Sampson) wrote:

>>>Does anyone have the email address for Paccomm?  I understand that they
>>>have  bought out the Gracilis product line

>That would be great, as I liked the Gracillis stuff, but their marketing and
>communications skills were zero.  The Gracillis BBS had the same crap
>on it for years at a time.  oatmeal was more exciting :-)

Yes, you can find Gracilis products (PackeTwin, PackeTen...) in the
last Paccom catalog.

Pacccom's email adress is  [e-mail]

73's
                                     [e-mail]
   From Laurent FERRACCI, F1JKJ      Fidonet 2:323/22.1
                                     Compuserve ID 100407,436


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From: [e-mail] (Wolfgang Lechner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Help:Baycom-Modem+Pentium ?
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Following Problem:
I have a Pentium-Processor(60 MHz) and a Baycom Modem.But they don't match.
On the Carrier is a second signal with a Frequency of about
1000Hz.I have tried everything,but I don't know what I should do.
The Modem isn't the Problem because on every other 486er...the Modem works.
Only on the Pentium(also on others)I can do what I want,it's always the same
Problem.Can anyone help me?
--
Wolfgang Lechner alias [e-mail]

From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:15
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From: [e-mail] (Redvers Llewellyn Davies)
Subject: Re: Help:Baycom-Modem+Pentium ?
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[e-mail] (Wolfgang Lechner) writes:

>Following Problem:
>I have a Pentium-Processor(60 MHz) and a Baycom Modem.But they don't match.
>On the Carrier is a second signal with a Frequency of about
>1000Hz.I have tried everything,but I don't know what I should do.
>The Modem isn't the Problem because on every other 486er...the Modem works.
>Only on the Pentium(also on others)I can do what I want,it's always the same
>Problem.Can anyone help me?

I am not going to rise to the obvious PENTIUM joke that is begging to be
said :)

If I were you I would stick to the 486's or perhaps replace the PENTIUM with an
AMD 100Mhz.

I am not sure about the logistics of this so check it out before you shell out
any mney...


Regards,

Red
GW0TJO

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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:16
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From: [e-mail] (Charles Brain)
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Subject: Re: info-packtor 2 and clover
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In article <3qhtiq$[e-mail]>, robert bell <[e-mail]> says:
>
>appreciate info on running packtor -2 and clover on my ts940 and
>kam plus. tnx

Iam afrais I have bad news for you,

Both Clover and Pactor II use modulation waveforms that are very
complex and can only sensible be implemented in a DSP. Therefore
unless there is a DSP add on for the KAM controller it is not feasable.

Regards Charles G4GUO.

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TRY JPLARC  147.09 TO ACCESS JPLGW


From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:18
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From: [e-mail] (Sjoerd Krol)
Subject: Is it possible to record your trace monitor?
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Haai there,

Is it possible to make a record file of your trace monitor?? If yes how
can you do that? There are some conditions lately and far calls are being
heard, so I want to record the transmissions between them (and maybe
between
a dutch and a foreign one).

Greetings,
         Sjoerd.
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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:18
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Hall)
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Subject: Is the BAYCOM is made?
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  A few years ago a friend of mine loaned me his BAYCOM which sold for
$50.00 then. It really worked well. As I recall other than it didn't have
a mail box it was a fine piece of equipment. I am thinking of using if
with my laptop for when I am on the road...Any way back to my orginal
question. Is the BAYCOM still being made or is something better for the
same price?...thanks..73es..Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Dennis Recla)
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Jeff Hall ([e-mail]) wrote:
:   A few years ago a friend of mine loaned me his BAYCOM which sold for
: $50.00 then. It really worked well. As I recall other than it didn't have
: a mail box it was a fine piece of equipment. I am thinking of using if
: with my laptop for when I am on the road...Any way back to my orginal
: question. Is the BAYCOM still being made or is something better for the
: same price?...thanks..73es..Jeff

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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:20
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Does anyone know of an anonymous FTP site or WWW site where I could obtain a
copy of KAGOLD as shareware?

Thanks in addvance and 73,
Bill KB5RAW

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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:21
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Affrunti)
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As far as I know, KaGOLD is not distributed as
shareware.  Even if you obtain a copy from someone,
it will not run long without a registration number that
is tied to your callsign.

However, they do have a test drive version available
on their BBS.  Try 714-497-5860.

I have KaGOLD 9.04 and use it with a KAM Plus.  I am
quite pleased with the operation of it, and the responsivness
of the tech support has been very good.

I don't like the copy protect scheme, but I don't blame them
for having one.

73's, Bob, AA9MI

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From: [e-mail] (gerry.g)
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Subject: Re: KaGOLD
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[e-mail] (Bill Jennings) wrote:

>Does anyone know of an anonymous FTP site or WWW site where I could obtain a
>copy of KAGOLD as shareware?
>
There isn't any. KaGold is a comercial product with a serial number
encrypted from your call sign.

There are test drive cripple ware versions with reduced features and a
timer that cuts you off.

I use KaGold and it is a fantastic product.

gerry



From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:22
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From: [e-mail] (BCdlr)
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Subject: Kantronics 9612 & TCP/IP
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Anyone out there using the 9612 for tcp/ip?  Can you set it up to do 9600
baud out of one port tcp/ip and the other port as 1200 baud ax.25 packet?
It seems to be priced a little cheaper than the others, opioions?
Can it do satellite work?
Dan Reynolds, [e-mail], KB9JLO

From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:22
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From: [e-mail] (David Bacom)
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Subject: Kantronics KAMPlus Memory Chip - A Question
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The 128K memory chip in my Kantronics KAMPlus is a Hitatchi
HM628128LP-10.  Does anyone know what the 512K chip is?  Perhaps a
HM628512LP-10?

Whatever the number is, does anyone know where this chip can be
acquired (other than through Kantronics)?  Some electronics parts
house?  Of course, I don't expect Radio Shack to have it, and I've
already checked the DigiKey catalog.  Any constructive suggestions?

Dave - WA6TPJ
[e-mail]

From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:23
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Subject: Re: KPC-9612 <-> Kenwood TM-733
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Bert Futselaar ([e-mail]) wrote:
> Hi,

> Can someone help me with the connection between a Kantronics KPC-9612 and
> a Kenwood TM-733?
> I want to use it on 1200 and 9600 baud.

The TM733 is seriously broken for 9600 bd use. There is something wrong in
the modulation circuit causing it to produce heavy distortion when trying
to do more than 2.5 kHz deviation (at the 9600bd data input)

Furthermore, it is a PLL modulated transmitter. Not suited for the G3RUH
9600 bd system. And it is VERY slow : it needs about 100-150 ms to
switch from tx to rx and vv.

73's Joop, PE1DNA


From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:24
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From: [e-mail] (Bice Schmitz Du Moulin)
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I am looking for advice on which 9600 baud ready radios to buy or which are
the easist to mod. Any thoughts?


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From: [e-mail] (Bruce W. Forsberg)
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[e-mail] (Bice Schmitz Du Moulin) wrote:

>I am looking for advice on which 9600 baud ready radios to buy or which are
>the easist to mod. Any thoughts?

The May 95 issue of QST had a great article on 9600 baud radios. If
reviewed several and described some of the difficulties in TX and RX
9600 baud packet. Of the ones listed for 2M the radio I have was
listed as the worst (ICOM 281H). I bought my radio 1 month before this
article came out.

    Good Luck 73   WB6IZG


From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:25
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Subject: Re: Looking for recomendations for 9600 rigs
Date: 10 Jun 1995 12:00:28 GMT
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Bice Schmitz Du Moulin ([e-mail]) wrote:
> I am looking for advice on which 9600 baud ready radios to buy or which are
> the easist to mod. Any thoughts?

You should give some more information. What's your budget ? what use are
you planning ?

I would'nt buy any of the icom/kenwood/yeasu FM mobile rigs that claim to
be 9600 ready. Allmode sets are ok.

In QST of may 95 there are some tests of 9600bd ready equipment.

I use icom IC275 / 475 radio's, too old to have the label '9600 ready' but
they are absolutely perfect for the job.

73 Joop


From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:26
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Looking for recomendations for 9600 rigs
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In article <3rc1gs$[e-mail]> [e-mail] () writes:
>I would'nt buy any of the icom/kenwood/yeasu FM mobile rigs that claim to
>be 9600 ready. Allmode sets are ok.

Dangerous assumption. While most all-mode sets allow clean modulation
and demodulation of 9600 baud packet waveforms, at least after simple
modifications, their TR recovery time is often shockingly long. A local
with a TS-811 needs 1.5 seconds for full receiver recovery. Putting a
Txd of 150 in the network just for him leads to a major loss of
throughput for everyone else.

Modulation/demodulation issues aside, TR recovery is a very important
parameter in any higher speed simplex packet environment. This is often
more than the raw TR switch time, some relay switched rigs actually
have better performance than diode switched rigs. A lot depends on
how the receiver is muted, and how it recovers. With rigs that kill
B+ to the receiver during transmission, the recharging time for all
the decoupling capacitors in the receiver may dominate TR recovery
time. The more complex all mode rigs often have a problem here since
there are more decouplers to recharge. AGC can rear its ugly head
too. Potential packeteers should look at AGC recovery specifications
very carefully. A slow recovery AGC can kill performance. This isn't
an issue with FM only radios, since they rarely include AGC, but it
can be a serious issue with all mode rigs.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:27
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Subject: Re: Looking for recomendations for 9600 rigs
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
> In article <3rc1gs$[e-mail]> [e-mail] () writes:
> >I would'nt buy any of the icom/kenwood/yeasu FM mobile rigs that claim to
> >be 9600 ready. Allmode sets are ok.

> Dangerous assumption. While most all-mode sets allow clean modulation
> and demodulation of 9600 baud packet waveforms, at least after simple
> modifications, their TR recovery time is often shockingly long. A local
> with a TS-811 needs 1.5 seconds for full receiver recovery. Putting a
> Txd of 150 in the network just for him leads to a major loss of
> throughput for everyone else.

> Modulation/demodulation issues aside, TR recovery is a very important
> parameter in any higher speed simplex packet environment. This is often
> more than the raw TR switch time, some relay switched rigs actually
> have better performance than diode switched rigs. A lot depends on
> how the receiver is muted, and how it recovers. With rigs that kill
> B+ to the receiver during transmission, the recharging time for all
> the decoupling capacitors in the receiver may dominate TR recovery
> time. The more complex all mode rigs often have a problem here since
> there are more decouplers to recharge. AGC can rear its ugly head
> too. Potential packeteers should look at AGC recovery specifications
> very carefully. A slow recovery AGC can kill performance. This isn't
> an issue with FM only radios, since they rarely include AGC, but it
> can be a serious issue with all mode rigs.

> Gary

Gary,

I must admit my reaction was a bit toughtless. Just angry about the crap these
manufacteres (see above) are selling as '9600bd ready'.

The FM transceivers with PLL modulation are not only bad performers on the
issue of 9600bd bit error rate, but their tx-rx turnaround times are also
much too long - like 100 to 250 ms - to be usable for 9600bd packet.

It's a pity that the otherwise excellent article in QST magazine did not
address this item.

73 Joop, PE1DNA. (service engineer <you break it, we make it>)



From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:28
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond E. Gauthier)
Date: 11 Jun 95 10:14:00
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TO: [e-mail]
GC> need using the DOS versions of grep, awk, and sed, though
GC> doing it
GC> with a DOS version of perl might be easier. If you've got a
GC> Snobol IV

Nope, don't have any of these. Not familiar with any of the aforementioned
 either.

Ray
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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:29
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[e-mail] (Kein{nen Paul) wrote:
>
> I very much doubt that you can find a PC installation (computer, monitor,
> printer etc..) in which the circuitry floats respective to the chassis and
> thus also floats relative to the PE bar in the building (assuming 3 wire
> power cords).
>
It is not necessary that the DC common circuit actually float.  The
correct procedure is to connect DC common to the equipment ground
at only one point within any one machine.  In PC type computers
there is usually done inside the power supply.  In a properly
(read low noise) designed printed circuit board, the "ground" plane
is actually DC common, and should not be confused with earth ground.
In most IBM PC compatible motherboards, there is a mechanical mounting
stud near the keyboard connector that may be mistaken for a motherboard
grounding point - it is not = This mounting stud should have insulating
washers to keep it from grounding the DC common at that point.  This
one item has cured many cases of mysterious behavior in PCs.

Again, the rule of thumb for grounding digital circuits is to connect
DC common to equipment ground at only one point within a machine, and
to be connect any signal cable shields to the equipment chassis at
only one end.  I am aware that some terminal devices violate this
convention.  My cynical response is that it helped them pass the
tests required to get it to market, but caused many service headaches
in the field, but my practical response says that there are always
exceptions to any convention - just be aware, and if you experience a
problem maybe you can identify the root cause a bit faster.

Please re-read Gary Coffman's earlier post on grounding.  That is
something that could replace most of the words I have previously
read on grounding, and I checked the ARRL Handbooks section on
station grounding before placing my first post on this subject.
While it was somewhat informative, I found it woefully incomplete
in answering the all important WHY question that is so helpful
when the current conditions don't quite match the 'normal' and I
don't ever seem to encounter a totally 'normal' situation.

73,
Don W3FPR


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[e-mail] (Kein{nen Paul) wrote:

;> Yes, this is good engineering practice, but look what happens when we look
;> at the situation at network level. If we have one computer and some
;> floating device at the other end, then we can apply principle b) above.
;> However, if you are trying to connect two computers, then principle b)
;> can no longer be applied due to the grounding in _each_ PC. This was
;> just the situation with a cumputer and multiple VT100/VT220 terminals,
;> which are connected just like PCs you described. It does not matter what
;> you do with pin 1 (protective ground), you will have circulating ground
;> currents through pin 7 anyway. In this case it might be better to connect
;> both ends of the cable shields for improved noise margin, but I do not
;> recommend it after having replaced line receivers on several terminals :-)
;> You should newer break the signal ground (pin 7) connection on RS-232 to
;> break the ground current, since you will end up with burnt receivers and
;> transmitters very quickly during normal operation.
;>
;> My recommendation is to ground equipment properly for electric safety
;> and use isolation (optoisolators, transformers etc.) to transfer the
;> signals.
;>
;> Sorry for this long ranting, but hope that someone might find something
;> useful, next time when someone is connecting together equipment in
;> different rooms or different buildings.
;>
;>         Paul OH3LWR
;>

These are very good points, and Paul's suggested isolation
techniques are good both in theory and practice.  The only
qualification I can add is to point out that a long distance
run (like to connect terminals to computers) has a
whole lot of considerations over and above connections
within the range of the RS232 specification.  The signals
used in computer to terminal operations will cause DC level
shifts due to accumulation of charge from the signal itself,
and must be dealt with in ways different from the normal
engineering practices involved in a single room or cluster of
rooms. Different signalling waveforms and protocols have been
developed to deal with just this problem.  That is not
to discount anything Paul has said, but only to paint it as
a "horse of a different color".

73,
Don W3FPR

From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:31
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From: [e-mail] (Adam van Gaalen PA2AGA)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: NET_Mac2.3.52.sea.hqx.text
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                                          The Netherlands, June 10, 1995.
Hello dear reader,

Today I distributed NET_Mac2.3.52.sea.hqx...

For those who don't know NET/Mac...   NET/Mac is the application that
supports TCP/IP over packet-radio, which means, that hamradio operators
can use NET/Mac for their wireless TCP/IP network...

In this version of NET/Mac I implemented the following:

- Fix a bug in the ping-command, that only shows on a Mac LC
- Increase routes-buffer for non Mac-512's
- Make NET/Mac aware of 'popmail'. See the online help for popmail...
- Inform the user about performance reduction when TRACE is ON
- Some minor enhancements for a number of commands
- Just some minor mods to trace a timer-hung problem
- NET/Mac does NOT support the new Buckmaster CD-ROM's HAMCALL
  database yet... I am trying to convince Buckmaster that I need
  the new data-encryption-method, but as of yet they are not ready
  to release a description of the encoding-algorithm...
  The old CD-ROM's remain fully supported...

This version obsoletes all versions of info-mac/comm/radio-net-mac in
the Sumex-Aim.stanford.edu (and it's mirror-) archives.

The new NET/Mac has (hopefully) been uploaded to:
ftp.ucsd.edu, to the directory hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming.
If it's not there then look at hamradio/packet/tcpip/mac.

Scott WY1Z may have also uploaded the new version to:
oak.oakland.edu, to the directory pub/hamradio/mac/digital.

NET/Mac will be uploaded to PI8HVH.AMPR.ORG, directory public/mac.

Adam PA2AGA  (e-mail: [e-mail]  )
             (    or: [e-mail]  for letters only, NO BIG files here)


From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:32
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: New Ham Radio Tests - Mac
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The HyperCard based amateur radio test simulators are being re-written
with the newest version of HyperCard which makes them stand alone
applications and eliminates the need of already having HyperCard.

The original design by Diana, KC1SP, is essentially preserved. But Diana
has relinquished the tests to me (WD1V). Hats off to her for helping so
many on the upgrade path (myself included!).

The tests are also being updated with the latest sets of pool questions.

Target release date is August 1, 1995.

They are free of cost and will be bundled with a few other helpful files.

Look for actual release information here. Feel free to contact me if you
have any questions.

73,

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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:33
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From: Jeff Goebel <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: NOS--telnet--choosing radio ports??
Date: 10 Jun 1995 05:30:09 GMT
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I am using NOS software, have a dual port tnc, and can successfully
connect using AX-25 packet on either port.  I have the appropriate attach
assby commands for both ports thanks to a posting on this newsgroup.

When I use telnet, I only get radio port 1. (tnc0)  How can I use telnet
and get radio port 2? (tnc1)

Jeff Goebel N0VHB  <[e-mail]>




From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:33
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Bean)
Date: 10 Jun 95 23:42:00
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Subject: Packet Gateway to the Internet
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Can anyone give me their experience in connecting to the Internet
via packet?  My father in law is getting ready to leave on a
world-wide sailing cruise, and IAd like to find a way to keep in
contact with him.  Since he too is a Ham, it would seem like using a
VHF, HF or satellite packet gateway to the Internet would be the way
to go.  Any recommendations would be appreciated.  Also, any
comments on using NOS or TCP/IP.
Thanks,
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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:34
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Bean)
Date: 10 Jun 95 23:44:00
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Subject: Packet Gateway to the Internet
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Can anyone give me their experience in connecting to the Internet
via packet?  My father in law is getting ready to leave on a
world-wide sailing cruise, and IAd like to find a way to keep in
contact with him.  Since he too is a Ham, it would seem like using a
VHF, HF or satellite packet gateway to the Internet would be the way
to go.  Any recommendations would be appreciated.  Also, any
comments on using NOS or TCP/IP.

73,

Ron - KJ5XX
[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:35
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From: [e-mail] (MikRowland)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Reception of HF weather fax in Washington, DC area
Date: 10 Jun 1995 12:33:27 -0400
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I am interested  whether anyone in the Washington, D.C. Metropolitan area
currently  receives HF weather fax. I would like to find out the
feasibility of setting up an antenna specifically for weather fax
reception from the USCG at Marshfield, MA on 6340.5 kHz and 12750 kHz.
Does anyone in the area receive weather fax from Marshfield, MA???  On
average do you get a clear signal for clean copy of  weather fax ????
Which type(s) of antenna are using to receive the weather fax???? Which
frequency has the best signal??? What time of the day is reception
best?????

Any other information that may prove useful would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Mike Rowland

From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:36
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From: [e-mail] (greg mclean)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Suppliers of wireless modems?
Date: 10 Jun 1995 18:27:13 GMT
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I'm looking for a supplier of wireless modems with an RS232, RS485, or
TTL serial interface.  I would appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks.


[e-mail]

From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:36
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From: [e-mail] (Ofer Shoshan)
Subject: Telex Hardware/Software needed
Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:18:33 GMT
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Hi,

Im looking for PC software/hardware to handle digital and analog Telex
channels for my graduation project.

Thanks,

Ofer Shoshan

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:37
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Date: 06 Jun 1995 20:41:00 +0200
From: [e-mail] (Florian Petri)
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
wrote:

> WNOS (by WAMPES)  In its day, respected for being one of the most stable.
> Contains a notorious auto-router that you will either love or hate.  Still
> developed, but I think more for Linux than DOS (?)  It lives a little way
> out from the family tree, and is more like a cousin if such a thing were
> possible, to GRI and EMM NOS.

Wnos is not Wampes.

Wampes is a kind of nos for Linux,
Wnos is a classical Nos for Dos (and others), which contains advantages of
other nos systems. (Some Ka9q, some Wampes and some selfwritten parts)
It's a pitty, that Wnos is not longer developed (the author had resigned
from ampr). Some persons out of his team are continued his work. (One
programmed for Linux).


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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:38
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Corteville)
Newsgroups: alt.security,comp.security.unix,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: WANTED: One time password facility for Linux
Date: 11 Jun 1995 18:51:16 -0600
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I'm looking for a program that will generate a number of random passwords
during a secure session.  I would then use each password once and the
program would change my password to the next immediately after login.  I
need this one time password facility because I would like to login to my
Internet account from the amateur packet radio gateway in my area.  The
ease with swhich somebody could get a regular password and abuse it makes
this the only safe way of accessing the account.  I do have root access
on the machine if the program installation requires it.  Any tips,
information, experience with this situation, or a reference to an FTP
site would be appreciated.

BTW... It is a Linux system, but I'll take any U*IX source.

73's de KB8WFV

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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:39
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Subject: Re: WANTED: One time password facility for Linux
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Greg Corteville ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I'm looking for a program that will generate a number of random passwords
: during a secure session.  I would then use each password once and the
: program would change my password to the next immediately after login.  I
: need this one time password facility because I would like to login to my
: Internet account from the amateur packet radio gateway in my area.  The
: ease with swhich somebody could get a regular password and abuse it makes
: this the only safe way of accessing the account.  I do have root access
: on the machine if the program installation requires it.  Any tips,
: information, experience with this situation, or a reference to an FTP
: site would be appreciated.

I suppose it depends what you mean by random. I'm not sure I would want to
trust the random number generator (snip - make that pseudo-random number
generator) included with most compilers. It's my understanding that it is
not possible to obtain true randomness in software, although I dont want to
start a thread over this minor topic.


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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:40
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From: [e-mail] (ken chong)
Subject: Re: What ever happened to CLOVER ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (ken chong) writes:
: >Hello all,
: >
: >I was just wondering if CLOVER is still popular? Is there a user group?
: >After scanning the pages of recent magazines, I could not find anymore
: >ads for CLOVER II boards from HAL. I admit that I have not be keeping up
: >with the latest happenings in the HF Digital scene.
: >Is CLOVER II still a viable mode for us digital hams? I hope to be able
: >to purchase one of HAL's board and do Keyboard to Keyboard contacts with
: >others.

: Clover is still around, but don't expect to find much keyboard to
: keyboard activity using it. It's mostly used for data forwarding.
: That's where it really shines, in transporting bulk data from point
: A to B. For hunt and peckers, AMTOR is a better choice.

: Gary
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Hi  Gary,

Thanks for the reply. I am sorry to hear that CLOVER does not seem to be
that big of a commercial success in keyboarding. I have noticed the
experimental stations still forwarding data , as you had mentioned, and
agree. I have tried amtor for years, and also pactor, but find these modes
boring and just too slow now. The data does get through, but the wear and
tear on the radio is ridiculous with all of the repeats. We all know that
HF packet doesn't work that well either ,but forwarders continue to use
it.

I guess I am really sad because CLOVER is the first really new mode to
hit the scene in years. It should be a great keyboarding mode.
Yes, I have tried G-TOR, but it is only a little better than Pactor. I do
like the more advanced features of G-TOR, and enjoy its speed when
conditions are good. It too seems to be a bit scarce on the HF bands.

If anyone out there thinks that CLOVER is good for keyboarding, please
say so.

Ken, WB6MLC

From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:41
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: What ever happened to CLOVER ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (ken chong) writes:
>Hello all,
>
>I was just wondering if CLOVER is still popular? Is there a user group?
>After scanning the pages of recent magazines, I could not find anymore
>ads for CLOVER II boards from HAL. I admit that I have not be keeping up
>with the latest happenings in the HF Digital scene.
>Is CLOVER II still a viable mode for us digital hams? I hope to be able
>to purchase one of HAL's board and do Keyboard to Keyboard contacts with
>others.

Clover is still around, but don't expect to find much keyboard to
keyboard activity using it. It's mostly used for data forwarding.
That's where it really shines, in transporting bulk data from point
A to B. For hunt and peckers, AMTOR is a better choice.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:42
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: What ever happened to CLOVER ?
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 15:52:38 GMT
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[e-mail] (ken chong) wrote:

>Hello all,

>I was just wondering if CLOVER is still popular? Is there a user group?
>After scanning the pages of recent magazines, I could not find anymore
>ads for CLOVER II boards from HAL. I admit that I have not be keeping up
>with the latest happenings in the HF Digital scene.
>Is CLOVER II still a viable mode for us digital hams? I hope to be able
>to purchase one of HAL's board and do Keyboard to Keyboard contacts with
>others.

Clover is still around, and HAL just introduced a new (lower cost)
board with Clover capabilities. It's called the P38, and lists for
$395. The only catch I can see is that (due to hardware limitations)
it only provides 1/2 the speed of the high end Clover board they sell.
So if you want the fastest possible Clover performance you still have
to spring for the $795 product. The new P38 board also provides AMTOR,
Pactor, and RTTY, and is compatible with software written for their
other boards.
Clover works fine for keyboard-to-keyboard chats, and hangs in there
in poor conditions better than the other modes. Its biggest problem is
that there just aren't many people using it. Same with G-TOR from
Kantronics. I know that Kantronics has sold a lot of KAMs with G-TOR
and a lot of G-TOR upgrades, but there just isn't much G-TOR activity
on the band. Why is this? I think there are 2 reasons:

1) As small as the amateur market is, proprietary digital modes will
never attract large numbers of users. HAL is the only source of Clover
and  you *still* can't buy it in a standalone box, so that cuts out a
lot of folks. As far as I know, G-TOR, while licensable, is still only
available from Kantronics. Seems a lot of the folks who have licensed
it are playing the "wait and see" game. Some others are finding out
that their hardware isn't up to the task of running G-TOR, probably
much to the delight of Kantronics :-)

2) Any digital mode which is hard to monitor will not thrive in the
"ragchew" or DX arena. Yes, I know you can monitor G-TOR and Clover,
but not very well, and in the case of the KAM you give up the ability
to maintain a packet session while doing it. (The reason many bought a
KAM in the first place is so they could work HF digital modes while
staying logged on to the DX Packet Cluster.)  As digital modes get
more and more complex (ie. no longer simple FSK) it becomes harder and
harder to monitor the traffic without actually being linked.

I'm impressed with both modes, and I wish them well, but I think
they're fighting an uphill battle. Just my two cents worth.

73,
Doug Hall, KF4KL
JPS Communications, Inc.
http://emporium.turnpike.net/J/JPS/jps.html



From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:43
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From: [e-mail] (Gordon Couger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: What ever happened to CLOVER ?
Date: 10 Jun 1995 22:26:33 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (ken chong) writes:
>>Hello all,
>>
>A to B. For hunt and peckers, AMTOR is a better choice.

Having used AMTOR and PACTOR I find the latter to be much more roubust on
weak links and has faster through put than AMTOR. I still work AMTOR because
everyone does not have PACTOR.

This is a real opertunity for me as I seldom find anything that Gary says
that I can find any disagreement with.
73
Gordon AB5DG
Gordon Couger - 624 Cheyenne, Stillwater, OK 74075
[e-mail] 405-624-2855 evenings
    I do not speak for my employer

From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:44
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: What ever happened to CLOVER ?
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 20:29:53 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

> But
>I don't think that the fact that Clover plugs into an ISA buss
>is a drawback. I think it is very much a plus for the hardware
>to be more tightly integrated with the computer platform of choice
>of nearly all amateurs. And if you want a standalone box, HAL will
>sell you a Clover system already plugged into a PC with the
>software pre-installed on the disk. This is the way they sell the
>product to the commercial market.

You may be right, but I'd bet that things are different in the amateur
market. (And I still think HAL would sell more Clover equipment if
they could package it like a PK232 or a KAM with an RS-232 interface.)
It just seems to me that most people want standalone boxes, not "yet
another card" to plug into a PC. For myself, I find the portability of
a standalone box desirable. If I want to operate Pactor when I head to
the mountains I can just throw the KAM in a suitcase and use the
laptop computer. I wouldn't bother to take the Clover board out of the
PC or haul the entire PC along. Even in the VHF packet world,
standalone boxes far outsell ISA card types. It's my opinion that the
ISA card form factor has kept Clover out of a number of applications
where it would really shine.

One of these applications (for me, anyway) is mobile operation. Do any
of you ever operate the HF digital modes mobile? It's a blast. If you
have an HF mobile rig, a multimode (KAM, PK232, etc)  and a laptop
computer you can really have some fun on your next trip. (Assuming
someone else is driving!) On the way back from Dayton we used AMTOR on
40m and kept a 3 hour link going while driving through West Virginia.
Signals and QRM were such that SSB would have been difficult, and CW
was kinda slow, but AMTOR proved ideal, and it's a great way to pass
the time on a long trip. I'd love to try mobile Clover, as I think it
would be great with the typical mobile signals, but dragging the
desktop PC into the van and figuring out how to power it is just too
much hassle.

What about you? Do you prefer plug-in cards to standalone boxes for HF
digital equipment?

73,
Doug Hall, KF4KL
JPS Communications, Inc.
http://emporium.turnpike.net/J/JPS/jps.html



From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:45
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From: [e-mail] (Charles Brain)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: What ever happened to CLOVER ?
Date: 12 Jun 1995 06:40:48 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (ken chong) says:
>
>Hello all,
>
>I was just wondering if CLOVER is still popular? Is there a user group?
>After scanning the pages of recent magazines, I could not find anymore
>ads for CLOVER II boards from HAL. I admit that I have not be keeping up
>with the latest happenings in the HF Digital scene.
>Is CLOVER II still a viable mode for us digital hams? I hope to be able
>to purchase one of HAL's board and do Keyboard to Keyboard contacts with
>others.
>
>Eh???
>
>
>Ken, WB6MLC
>
>
>
>
HI,
 Yes it is still about there is a new host program about called Express 3
which I know nothing about!
 I still use it, I blame the lack of activity and ads on poor sunspots!
No seriously I haven't been on Clover for a few months and was quite
pleasantly suprised to hear a bunch of new (well new to me) stations
on in europe I even heard a couple of U.S stations on as well. There
are a couple of bulletin boards on 14.064 LSB principly TY1PS in Benin
west africa I can access it during most daylight hours.

Keep the faith.....

Regards Charles G4GUO.


From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:46
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From: [e-mail] (John Donaldson)
Subject: Re: What ever happened to CLOVER ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Houston UNIX Users Group (HOUNIX), Houston, TX
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 16:57:23 GMT
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  Clover systems are still very active. The National Civil Air Patrol Packet
Network uses clover stations. This network is in the process of being expanded,
thus more Clover boards will be needed. One of the proposed new Clover sites
is for Texas and we are hoping it will be here in the Houston, TX area.
  So Clover is not dead, just hiding in other services.

John A. Donaldson
Director of Communications
Group 13, Texas Wing, CAP

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From [e-mail] Mon 12 Jun 95 21:32:47
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From: [e-mail] (Gordon Couger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: What's a wormhole?
Date: 10 Jun 1995 07:12:34 GMT
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In article <3r9u5k$[e-mail]>,
Scott Ehrlich <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3r7bva$[e-mail]>,
>Bill Blohm <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I keep seeing reference to wormholes.  I've a rough idea what they are,
>>but find that I'm not really sure.  Could someone clue me in?  Why are
>>they considered somewhat of a problem?  I gather the potential is there
>>for non-hams to send packet or some such and that is why they are a
>>problematical issue.
>>
What I understand as a wormhole is a non-ham conection between to packet
station. It could be phone lines, the internet or what have you. As I
understand it there is no access available from the media that conducts
the worm hole.

I have also seen the term used to refere to hf links for packet. While it
is legal there is some concern but us old farts on hf that it will take over
"our" part of the spectrum by the dreaded "no coders". This does not
concern me but it does some folks.

While in this area I do have problems with packet-internet gateways. I would
really like to do this but there is no way I can see to streach the rules of
ham radio to allow full net access. The commercial content of much of the
net and the some of the images and language on the net are plainly direct
violations of part 97. IMO part 97 should be modified to allow internet
access. Pragmaticaly I don't expect this to happen in the near future. I
hope I am wrong.

IMO
Gordon AB5DG


Gordon Couger - 624 Cheyenne, Stillwater, OK 74075
[e-mail] 405-624-2855 evenings
    I do not speak for my employer

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:18:53
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From: [e-mail] (John Fay)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: **1ST EVER HAM OPINION POLL NOW OF THE WEB**
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:55:07 +0100
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I have estalished a WWW site that includes the 1st ever Ham opinion poll.
The question this month is "Do you support the new vanity call program,
about to go into effect in the US?" The poll takes into account license
class and the age of the voter. Your vote is tallied instintly and you see
the results on-line.
Check this site out at, http://www.csz.com/sarrio.html.

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:18:53
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sable)
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Subject: 9600 and Alinco?
Date: 13 Jun 1995 20:19:25 GMT
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Alinco makes 2 data radios. A DR-1200T which the ad says
convertible to 9600. How easy? Have to order extra parts
and from where?
The other Alinco is a DR-1200TH which is 9600 but will
it goto 1200 or is it strictly 9600?
I have a AEA PK-900 and have tried the Icom 281h and
I cant get it to go 9600. I have a Kenwood 733 which
I use in the mobile and that works somewhat but needs
some tweeking. Any help? 73 de N8NYU

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From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:18:54
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From: Jeff Goebel <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: 9600 baud packet mods.
Date: 14 Jun 1995 03:43:00 GMT
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I have had success in modifying my Kenwood TR-751A for 9600 baud packet thanks to the handbook by KD6EHR.

I also have Alinco models DR-570, DR-592, and DR-600 radios.  Does anyone have any mods for these?

Can these Alincos be successfully modifyied?



From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:18:55
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NE>MFJ has a data radio out for 2M only that does 9.6.  I think 440
NE>will be more prevelent soon though.

    Has anyone seen, heard or otherwise know how good the MFJ unit
    works?

...DOUG


 * OLX 2.2 * Is your house bugged? Don't call Orkin, monitor 49.830Mhz

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:18:56
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: 9600 using 489 or 589 chips
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     Has anybody developed a G3RUH compatible modem using either of the
     above chips.

     This would save me trying to re-invent the same thing. Although I
     think it could be done without major investment of IC's.

     The purpose is to get some of the locals into 9600+ WITHOUT having to
     extend their arms too deeply into their pockets (I know they will have
     to mod their radios - but that does not cost $$, just time).


     dave       VK5DJZ


From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:18:56
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Barber)
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Subject: 9600 with TM-255A
Date: 14 Jun 1995 06:17:42 GMT
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Greetings, all.

Does anyone have any experience using a TM-255A for 9600-baud packet ?
I bought one recently, and have not found anyone else that has one,
much less using it on packet.. :(

??

TIA,
jlb

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:18:57
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From: [e-mail] ()
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Subject: Re: 9600 with TM-255A
Date: 14 Jun 1995 20:59:32 GMT
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Jim Barber ([e-mail]) wrote:
> Greetings, all.

> Does anyone have any experience using a TM-255A for 9600-baud packet ?
> I bought one recently, and have not found anyone else that has one,
> much less using it on packet.. :(

I did some testing on a TM455. It is excellent suited for 9600bd packet.

Very fast turnaround ( < 20ms ) and good eye patterns.

The TM455 is the 70cm version of the TM255.

Joop



From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:18:58
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Nielsen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone have list of mods for 9600 baud packet on various radios?
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:35:17 LOCAL
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark Bramwell) writes:

>We will be going to 9600 baud soon on our BBS.  Is there a listing of what
>radios will work with what mods?

Check wd6ehr's 9600 manual for much (but obviously not all) info on this.  It
is available by anonymous ftp from ftp.tapr.org in
/tapr/general/9600baud/96man2x0.txt


>Example:  I have a Kenwood 721.  Can it work with 9600?

Possibly.  I tried a 421 with limited success.

>Many people have many different radios.  A listing of successes and failures
>would be great.



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                           WWW: http://primenet.com/~nielsen/


From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:18:59
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Jonz)
Subject: Re: Anyone running Linux, nos, and wormhole software?
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[e-mail] (Mark Bramwell) writes:

        > I have a very well connected (internet T1) Linux box with a good ant
        > and a radio/tnc.  How do I get a wormhole setup so the locals can
        > packet to other areas?

[e-mail] replies:

        > There are two different version of xNOS that will compile and run on
        > Linux.

There are some alternatives to running a full-blown NOS if you're primarily
interested in wormholes.

The "ax25ip" package takes AX.25 frames that arrive on the a KISS TNC link,
encapsulates them in IP packets, and pushes them out an Internet link to
another wormhole station listed in an AX25 routing table.  This configuration
is viewed as a simple digipeater path by end users.  For example, N9XYZ might
issue the command "c N1ABC via N2NET, N3NET" where N8XYZ and N1ABC are garden
variety AX.25 users, and N2NET and N3NET are wormhole gateways that are known
to one another.  I believe that there's a list of such wormhole stations
available at "ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio".

If there's TCP/IP activity on the ham bands in your area, there's a similar
package called "ipip" that performs the same encapsulation and routing
services for TCP/IP packets received on the TNC link.  Essentially this is
just a gateway between the native Linux protocol stack and the TNC.

And while you're about it, there's also the "ax25" package, which drives a
KISS TNC to provide you with basic AX.25 connectivity from the shell.

Mark continues:

        > I have used dos nos in the past.  I am looking for an easy to setup
        > linux version.

Of course "easy" is a relative term, and one might argue that nothing on
Linux is as easy as it is on DOS.  All of the packages above require kernel
support, which means you'll have to install the source code for these packages
on "/usr/src/linux", twiddle a few configuration files, and build yourself a
custom kernel.  The instructions are complete, however, and fairly straight
forward.  I should also note that the process of building a kernel on Linux
today is a lot easier than it was just a couple of years ago on SunOS.

BTW, information is cheap, but wisdom ain't.  I don't have this stuff
running myself yet, but I just happened to have been researching the topic
when I ran across these postings.  Believe it or not, I have a kernel build
running in another window as I write this....


KB6JXT, Todd


From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:00
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From: [e-mail] (George L. Hiscox)
Subject: APRS 7.0
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The new APRS 7.0 is now available for anonymous ftp from tapr.org as are
the upgrade file 69to7.zip and the new maptools.zip.

Good luck,

George
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From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:01
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From: [e-mail] (Kb2npd)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: AR 8000 Mods ????
Date: 14 Jun 1995 15:07:33 -0400
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I am intersted in mods to the AR8000 to restore the cell freq. and any
other mods.
thnks
Arin KG2CP

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:01
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From: [e-mail] (Cdharri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Best radio for 9600 bps
Date: 14 Jun 1995 22:12:53 -0400
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 I am running a jnos server with a kantronics dvr2-2 and a kpc9612(1200
and
9600 bps).  The dvr2-2 is marginal at 9600 bps. Just wondered if anyone
has an opinion on the best 2 meter radio that would be best used with the
kpc9612. I would like to take advantage of the ability to run 1200 or
9600. This
requires a data and mike connector and I configure the jnos to accept
either
speeds.

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:03
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
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Subject: Re: Best radio for 9600 bps
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In article <3ro4v5$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Cdharri) wrote:
> I am running a jnos server with a kantronics dvr2-2 and a kpc9612(1200
>and
>9600 bps).  The dvr2-2 is marginal at 9600 bps. Just wondered if anyone
>has an opinion on the best 2 meter radio that would be best used with the
>kpc9612. I would like to take advantage of the ability to run 1200 or
>9600. This
>requires a data and mike connector and I configure the jnos to accept
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>either
>speeds.

There's no reason you can't run 1200 through a Data connector, since it
requires only a subset of the bandwidth required for 9600.  It should be
possible to just make up a cable that connects both ports on the 9612 to the
same radio via whatever connection is used for 9600 service.
Connect the receive audio from the radio to both port's receive inputs,
connect the PTT lines together to the radio PTT, and sum (broadcast and PA
types might say "mix") the transmit audio from both ports with a couple of
resistors of the same value, maybe 2.2K, to the radio's modulator input.
(This works because the ports don't put out a carrier unless they are keying
the radio.  So the unused port would have no audio coming out.)  Then adjust
the level controls inside the 9612 for proper deviation in both modes and you
should be able to take on all comers, 1200 or 9600.
This should be a stopgap measure until you have a seperate channel dedicated
to 9600 since sharing a channel may not work very well when the traffic gets
heavy.  Be sure to put the ONERADIO parameter ON so the 9612 doesn't try to
transmit both modes at once, but I'm not sure if that works in KISS mode (I
don't have the book handy...)

-Mike KD4QDM
Home of the Amazing KD4QDM 9600 Modem

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:04
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From: [e-mail] (SmallVill)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Best radio for 9600 bps
Date: 15 Jun 1995 10:28:26 -0400
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>There's no reason you can't run 1200 through a Data connector, since it
>requires only a subset of the bandwidth required for 9600.  It should be
>possible to just make up a cable that connects both ports on the 9612 to
the
>same radio via whatever connection is used for 9600 service.

     This works fine the 1200 will work on the 9600 conection fine


> Be sure to put the ONERADIO parameter ON so the 9612 doesn't try to
>transmit both modes at once, but I'm not sure if that works in KISS mode
(I
>don't have the book handy...)

     One radio works in kiss mode and if it's not set it will try to send
out on both ports at the same time..

 Russ N7JWI

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:05
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Osgood)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Compressed FAST FCC callsign database
Date: 13 Jun 1995 15:33:01 -0400
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I'm working on a program that handles a compressed version of the FCC
callsign database that is now available.  Currently the plain ASCII
database is over 130+ Mbytes un-ZIPed.  With the Coo! database format the
total size is around 42 Mbytes, and best of all: any callsign can be
found quickly.

Right now the program is a finger daemon for unix (Linux) based
machines.  It allows anyone to "finger <call>@here" and get info on the
amateur.

The program is written in C++/C and is very simple.  I will be making the
source available shortly.

This database format is great if you want to be able to have the FCC call
database accessible without having to buy new a new HD. :)

I'm checking to see if anyone is even interested in such a program, and
to see if there are other programs out there like this.

Please send a message this way if you are interested, or have more
information.

------------
You can try out the program (slooowly) by finger <call>@owl.ampr.org


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// Chris  KD4FNB  <[e-mail]>
                  <[e-mail]>       TCP/IP packet; LINUX!
                  <[e-mail]>   NET/ROM packet
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"There's no point trying to get straight A's if you already think too much."

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:06
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From: AJ [e-mail] (None)
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Subject: Help with wiring a tnc
Date: 13 Jun 1995 14:51:39 GMT
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Just a brief note to maybe help some fellow hams out there since it seems
that no one knows anything about wiring a tnc on this internet it seems
like most of the time you try to get a real question answered an this net
you get zero and i thought this was the information highway huh good luck
anyway anough about that heres some real help buy the newest CQ magazine
they have a really good artical about wiring tncs to radios they cover
most of the combinations i could think of including the one i needed so
badly and couldnt get for squat here anyway good luck it sure helped me
maybe it will do somebody else some good now.


From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:07
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Waffenschmidt)
Subject: How do I packet with an HT?
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I am looking to buy a 2m HT and would like to use it to get on to
packet.

Exactly what do I need (I have the computer with serial port!).
WHAT MUST I LOOK FOR IN THE RADIO I AM USING FOR THIS PURPOSE?
Pardon me if this is a FAQ but an HT seems like a special case.

All  thoughts  opinions or  recommendations are welcome.

Bob kb2jrg

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From: Charlie King <[e-mail]>
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Date: 14 Jun 1995 05:04:53 GMT
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Also look at the originators of Baycom although not completely up
and running. http://www.baycom.de/index.html.

73's
VK6ZCK


From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:08
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In <3rg5rf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (BCdlr) writes:
>Anyone out there using the 9612 for tcp/ip?  Can you set it up to do 9600
>baud out of one port tcp/ip and the other port as 1200 baud ax.25 packet?
>It seems to be priced a little cheaper than the others, opioions?
>Can it do satellite work?
>Dan Reynolds, [e-mail], KB9JLO

I've been using one under Jnos since Nov. it works very well. I don't see any way
to seperate the ports as to protocol (ie. AX25 v KISS) but Jnos does AX25 so I have
no problems there. I'm having problems getting ahold of a decent radio to use on
the 9600b side, using a flaky old Kenwood, trying to get a Tekk. I run a gateway
fom 440 9600b backbone to 2m & 440 1200b user ports & am thinking of adding a
2m 9600b user port this fall, I'll use another 9612 & an Alinco data radio for it.

Hope that helps some 73 N0TZL

Dan Hupp [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:09
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From: [e-mail] (Phil Fuhrman)
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Subject: Re: Looking for recomendations for 9600 rigs
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[e-mail] wrote:
: Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: > In article <3rc1gs$[e-mail]> [e-mail] () writes:
: > >I would'nt buy any of the icom/kenwood/yeasu FM mobile rigs that claim to
: > >be 9600 ready. Allmode sets are ok.

: > Dangerous assumption. While most all-mode sets allow clean modulation
: > and demodulation of 9600 baud packet waveforms, at least after simple
: > modifications, their TR recovery time is often shockingly long. A local
...

: The FM transceivers with PLL modulation are not only bad performers on the
: issue of 9600bd bit error rate, but their tx-rx turnaround times are also
: much too long - like 100 to 250 ms - to be usable for 9600bd packet.

...
: 73 Joop, PE1DNA. (service engineer <you break it, we make it>)

Does this imply that older crystal-controlled transceivers are a
better candidate for modification to 9600 baud performance?


--
Phil Fuhrman, KC3ZA                    "Opinions expressed are
[e-mail]                       those of the author and
Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site       not his employer"
Wilmington, De. USA

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:10
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Cain  WB8OUE)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Bruce W. Forsberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Bice Schmitz Du Moulin) wrote:
>
>>I am looking for advice on which 9600 baud ready radios to buy or which are
>>the easist to mod. Any thoughts?
>
>The May 95 issue of QST had a great article on 9600 baud radios. If
 ===============================================================
Without a single mention of the tx/rx turnaround issue or any timings...  A
HUGE omission in my view...


>reviewed several and described some of the difficulties in TX and RX
>9600 baud packet. Of the ones listed for 2M the radio I have was
>listed as the worst (ICOM 281H). I bought my radio 1 month before this
>article came out.
>
>    Good Luck 73   WB6IZG
>


--
Tom Cain  =WB8OUE on KO-23,KO-25=              [e-mail]
           NRA Life Member

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:11
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From: [e-mail] (DABLOODGOD)
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Subject: Re: Looking for recomendations for 9600 rigs
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Here in LA we think the best rigs for 9600 are

1) The TEKK Micro or Mini - see the QST article - only available for 70cm.
Its cheap though !

2) The Azden ???? - also 70cm - see QST article. We just installed one on
an internet gateway here - it works really well. Its NOT cheap though.

3) Old motorola taxi / police radios - I have 2 Mitreks - they are crystal
controlled - and fairly easy to convert to packet operations - especially
if you a have a service monitor or a skilled technician to retune the
radio to the proper freq.

4) The Kantronics d4-10 data radio - although I havent tried one myself.

Good luck and 73's de Dave, kd6pro, [e-mail].

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:12
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Looking for recomendations for 9600 rigs
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In article <3rku0k$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Phil Fuhrman) writes:
>Does this imply that older crystal-controlled transceivers are a
>better candidate for modification to 9600 baud performance?

Yes, that is generally true, but not absolutely so. For example,
radios that use reactance modulators after the crystal oscillator
instead of directly FMing the oscillator won't work without (sometimes)
extensive modification. And, of course, even crystal controlled radios
can be badly designed with regard to TR recovery. Then there's the
whole topic of receiver IF bandpass shape to address. There is no
single simple guideline as to which radios will work well, and which
will not.

Gary

--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:13
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From: [e-mail] (Ilkka Kontola)
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What kind of delay spread there is on NVIS paths? The ground wave could be one
path but is there ionospheric multipath modes in NVIS?

I have no hands-on experience on (for instance) 3.5 MHz digital modulations -
exept CW ;-).

In literature there are often casual comments ".... on 3.5 MHz packet the
multipath is very severe problem ...." and so on. Are the article/book authors
referring to DX or multi-hop paths or shorter ranges?

73,
Ilkka OH3NJC


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Ilkka Kontola                   E-Mail: [e-mail]
Nokia Mobile Phones             Amateur packet radio: oh3njc@oh3rbr
Tampere, Finland

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:14
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In the interest of home (and ham) safety, let me tell you about my
experience earlier tonight.

Funny what happens when you are talking about grounding.  During a
storm yesterday, one of the GFI circuits in the house was tripped.
Problem was that it wouldn't reset, so I went hunting for the cause.
I found a defective outlet, but along the way I also found some other
things that made me shudder - in the first receptacle along the
wiring path, I found an exposed neutral wire that broke when I
examined it.  Having repaired that, I was hoping I was done, but no
such luck, the next outlet on the string had 2 outbound wires from
the outlet box, and there was *no* safety ground wire connecting
to the duplex receptacle and the safety return wires were not
adequately connected together.  Correcting the open ground wire
condition finally lead me to the culprit receptacle on the rear
deck.

What is my point? Simply stated - trust nothing until you have
checked it out.  This is in a recently built house in a community
that *supposedly* has one of the toughest inspection teams in the
area for new structures.  You can be certain that I have a task
ahead of me, and I will not rest comfortably until I have checked
each and every connection point in the electrical system here.

I will also be communicating what I found to the town council and
the building inspection department.  This is the least I can do
for the protection of others as well as myself.

73,
Don W3FPR

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:15
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:

: A ground window is simple in concept, and simple in execution.
: Basically, it is a physically small conductive plate through
: which *every* cable that enters or leaves your station must
: pass. Every cable that is supposed to be at "ground" potential
: is bonded directly to this plate as it passes through. Every
: conductor that is not supposed to be at "ground" potential
: is bonded to the plate via an appropriate suppressor device.
: (A book could be written on that subject alone.) Then the
: plate is connected to your single point ground by a heavy
: low inductance strap conductor. Now any large potential
: difference that tries to express itself across cables
: connected to various cabinets in your shack will find itself
: shorted out at the ground window.

Question:  Does every cable have to pass _through_ this, or
could this ground window be, for example, a strip of aluminum
along the back of the table (protected from accidental touching,
of course) to which all grounds for all pieces of equipment are
connected?  All the power connections, serial cables, etc. such
as you mention would have their ground connection applied to
this aluminum strip, and that would be connected to the house
grounding system, probably via an outlet box as there are no
pipes in that area to connect to.

Workable?

Bill B.
KC7JSD

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:16
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From: [e-mail] (L. M. Rappaport)
Subject: Re: NEED HELP!  Respond : Grounding 'Experts' !
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

...edited

>>     Ground Rod  --------+              +--------Stuff in shack
>>                                           |               |
>>     Ground Rod ---------+----------+--------Entrance Panel
>>                                           |               |
>>     Ground Rod ---------+              +--------Tower, etc

>Daisy chaining of any sort is generally to be avoided. However,
>this is not a daisy chain if I read the diagram correctly. What
>you have is a star connected group of grounds (I'm assuming you
>left out a couple of |'s in the drawing) that are connected to
>a single entrance point. That's a perfectly acceptable way to
>do it. IE

Yes, the idea is the entrance panel is connected to several ground
rods using individual cables and then not only regular house wiring
but also the tower and shack rf wiring goes to the same point.  Like a
big star.  (For some reason I can't draw that)

Where my scheme breaks down at the moment is that the tower has two
individual ground rods and there is one on each of three guy wires.
I'd guess that could cause a loop, eh?

Thanks,

Larry
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From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:17
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Current practice (i.e., what I've seen recently) on mountaintop radio
sites around here seems to be to have replaced the feedthrough ground
plate with a simple grounding bar to which all of the incoming coaxes
are bonded before they enter the building.

I can see that this is simpler and much less prone to water entrance
problems, and it seems to me this might be adequate.

Is this the new practice or did someone just get real lazy?
        - Brian

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    I found a defective outlet, but along the way I also found some other
    things that made me shudder - in the first receptacle along the
    wiring path, I found an exposed neutral wire that broke when I
    examined it.  Having repaired that, I was hoping I was done, but no
    such luck, the next outlet on the string had 2 outbound wires from
    the outlet box, and there was *no* safety ground wire connecting
    to the duplex receptacle and the safety return wires were not
    adequately connected together.  Correcting the open ground wire
    condition finally lead me to the culprit receptacle on the rear
    deck.

    What is my point? Simply stated - trust nothing until you have
    checked it out.  ...

Right!  Folks, (if you haven't done so already) get yourself what some
of us in the computer business refer to as a "Win-Lose" box.  You plug
it into an outlet, and two out of three lights will light up at the same
intensity if things seem to be wired right.  It's not perfect (my own
apartment fails in an odd way, which i recognized by slightly dim light,
which i know is hard to fix, being old enough to be pre-conduit), but
at least you will know what you're up against.  Likewise, if you're
moving into a new building, do yourself a service and go around checking
every outlet so you find out while it's still easy to fix.

        -- KD6PAG  (who is happy not to have learned the hard way...)

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:19
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: NEED HELP!  Respond : Grounding 'Experts' !
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (L. M. Rappaport) writes:
>
>Yes, the idea is the entrance panel is connected to several ground
>rods using individual cables and then not only regular house wiring
>but also the tower and shack rf wiring goes to the same point.  Like a
>big star.  (For some reason I can't draw that)
>
>Where my scheme breaks down at the moment is that the tower has two
>individual ground rods and there is one on each of three guy wires.
>I'd guess that could cause a loop, eh?

Connect them in a star at the tower base, and then connect that
point back to the star at the house. A star of stars is an acceptable
topology.

Gary

--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:20
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: New Mac TCP/IP w/ POP Mail on Disk
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    Free - Latest Release of Macintosh TCP/IP software for Amateur Radio

version NET_Mac2.3.52

For those who don't know NET/Mac...   NET/Mac is the application that
supports TCP/IP over packet-radio, which means, that ham radio operators
can use NET/Mac for their wireless TCP/IP network...

In this version of NET/Mac the following new features are implemented:

- Fix a bug in the ping-command, that only shows on a Mac LC
- Increase routes-buffer for non Mac-512's
- Make NET/Mac aware of 'popmail'. See the online help for popmail...
- Inform the user about performance reduction when TRACE is ON
- Some minor enhancements for a number of commands
- Just some minor mods to trace a timer-hung problem
- NET/Mac does NOT support the new Buckmaster CD-ROM's HAMCALL
  database yet... I am trying to convince Buckmaster that I need
  the new data-encryption-method, but as of yet they are not ready
  to release a description of the encoding-algorithm...
  The old CD-ROM's remain fully supported...

This version obsoletes all versions of info-mac/comm/radio-net-mac in
the Sumex-Aim.stanford.edu (and it's mirror-) archives.

The new NET/Mac has (hopefully) been uploaded to:
ftp.ucsd.edu, to the directory hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming.
If it's not there then look at hamradio/packet/tcpip/mac.

Scott WY1Z may have also uploaded the new version to:
oak.oakland.edu, to the directory pub/hamradio/mac/digital.

NET/Mac includes interactive HELP if you are just starting out. I also include
a TCP.FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) that even includes names and addresses
of regional gurus and a "by the numbers" list of what you do to get
operational.

Send me (1) one formatted disk and a *self addressed and *stamped disk mailer
marked TCP/IP... 800k or 1.4 Meg disks are OK but they MUST be formatted.

73,

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From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:21
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From: [e-mail] (John Donaldson)
Subject: PMNOS
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  A friend of mine and I are trying to get PMNOS V1.3 up and running under
OS/2 Warp. I have not been able to find any docs file on PMNOS. Can someone
point me to where the docs are located. Also any one using V1.2 or V1.3
could you send me a copy of your autoexec.nos file to look at. And last is
there a PM version the mailer BM ??

Thanks in advance,

John A. Donaldson

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From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:22
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     Wanted: one bit regen cct suitable for 9600 (optionally for use in
             TNC2).

             UUencoded GIF prefered, but ascii type drawing gladly
             accepted, or a pointer to some place from which it can be
             acquired.


     dave

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:22
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From: [e-mail] (Ian Brown)
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Subject: Re: Suppliers of wireless modems?
Date: 13 Jun 1995 20:01:06 +0100
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> I'm looking for a supplier of wireless modems with an RS232, RS485, or
> TTL serial interface.  I would appreciate any suggestions.

> Thanks.


> [e-mail]

Are there any without an RS232 interface ?

73 Ian - GM0ILB >>



From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:23
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From: [e-mail] (Clinton Peebles)
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Subject: TS-850 on Packet
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:51:00 GMT
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I hope someone can help me with this.  I have a Kenwood TS-850S that I'm
trying to get on HF packet with.  The TNC I'm using is a PK-232MBX.  I
am using the ACC2 plug at the back of the radio.  With the PK-232
connected, the audio is distorted.  Kenwood knows of the problem and
there is a service bulletin on it.  What's happening is the audo output
level from the TNC is too high and causing overload of the microphone
amplifier circuit.  Has anyone overcome this problem without modifying
the radio?  I've tried a voltage divider in the audio line from the TNC
using to pots., and adjusted the both to try to lower the audio level
but that didn't help.

Please e-mail to [e-mail]

Thanks.
Clinton VE7-KNL
---
 ■ QMPro 1.53 ■ PCBored?  Call a WILDCAT! BBS tonight!

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:24
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From: [e-mail] (James W. Lynch)
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Clinton Peebles ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I hope someone can help me with this.  I have a Kenwood TS-850S that I'm
: trying to get on HF packet with.  The TNC I'm using is a PK-232MBX.  I
: am using the ACC2 plug at the back of the radio.  With the PK-232
: connected, the audio is distorted.  Kenwood knows of the problem and
: there is a service bulletin on it.  What's happening is the audo output
: level from the TNC is too high and causing overload of the microphone
: amplifier circuit.  Has anyone overcome this problem without modifying
: the radio?  I've tried a voltage divider in the audio line from the TNC
: using to pots., and adjusted the both to try to lower the audio level
: but that didn't help.

: Please e-mail to [e-mail]

: Thanks.
: Clinton VE7-KNL
: ---
:  ■ QMPro 1.53 ■ PCBored?  Call a WILDCAT! BBS tonight!
I suggest you call AEA.  They have been quite helpful in the past when I've
had problems and/or questions.  I've actually gotten to talk directly with
a service rep without waiting endlessly like a lot of places.  It is a long
distance call however.

Jim.

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From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:25
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From: [e-mail] (Mizser Krisztian)
Newsgroups: alt.security,comp.security.unix,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: WANTED: One time password facility for Linux
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Date: 14 Jun 1995 12:20:20 GMT
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Greg Corteville ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I'm looking for a program that will generate a number of random passwords
: during a secure session.  I would then use each password once and the
: program would change my password to the next immediately after login.  I
: need this one time password facility because I would like to login to my
: Internet account from the amateur packet radio gateway in my area.  The
: ease with swhich somebody could get a regular password and abuse it makes
: this the only safe way of accessing the account.  I do have root access
: on the machine if the program installation requires it.  Any tips,
: information, experience with this situation, or a reference to an FTP
: site would be appreciated.

: BTW... It is a Linux system, but I'll take any U*IX source.

   Try sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/system/Network/sunacm/Other/skey or
       sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/system/Misc/skey*

   I didn't try these programs, but I hope they'll help you.

     Christo

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Technical Univ. of Budapest
Budapest,Hungary


From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:26
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From: [e-mail] (Wm. Randolph U Franklin)
Newsgroups: comp.security.unix,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: WANTED: One time password facility for Linux
Date: 13 Jun 1995 22:58:28 GMT
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Assuming that you're root, you might create, in advance, a lot of
accounts for yourself with different passwords.  As you use each
account, burn it, say by setting the shell to /dev/null.  Then,
when you again have local access to the machine, reset your
accounts and give them new passwords.

Also, I have a version of passwd that lets you set the encrypted
password.  You have to precalculate a list of encrypted passwords
(or have access to a local workstation to do it).  However, this
lets you change the password over an insecure net w/o an
eavesdropper seeing the plaintext until you later use it to login
(after which you immediate change it again).

You may ftp it from here:

        ftp://ftp.cs.rpi.edu/pub/franklin/encpass.tar.gz

------------------------
 Wm. Randolph Franklin,  [e-mail], [phone];  Fax: -6261
 ECSE Dept., 6026 JEC, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy NY, 12180 USA
 More info: (1) finger -l [e-mail]
            (2) http://www.ecse.rpi.edu/homepages/wrf/

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:28
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From: [e-mail] (willi_r)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: What ever happened to CLOVER ?
Date: 15 Jun 1995 02:57:33 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (ken chong) says:
>
>Hello all,
>
>I was just wondering if CLOVER is still popular? Is there a user group?
>After scanning the pages of recent magazines, I could not find anymore
>ads for CLOVER II boards from HAL. I admit that I have not be keeping up
>with the latest happenings in the HF Digital scene.
>Is CLOVER II still a viable mode for us digital hams? I hope to be able
>to purchase one of HAL's board and do Keyboard to Keyboard contacts with
>others.
>
I have yet to spring for CLOVER II myself but have followed everything about
I that I could find. And that is not too much. I generally will not buy a
mode that has only one source. It has to be something that a reasonable
number of people will use in order to reach critical mass like amtor did.
And then pactor. Since no one else has licensed CLOVER II, even though they
hinted that others would as much as a year ago, I have serious doubts about
its survival. And what really messed it all up was the pactor II release
which then wound up being a year late. But it is coming. And Pactor II has
already had two other groups licensing it (rumor has it the AEA and PACCOM)
which will increase its legitimacy even more not to mention to getting the
price down as German developer stand alone box want about a kilobuck. Pactor II
will also start out with the pactor I protocol so it will figure out if the
other ham has P-II and switch to that if possible. It sounds like it is
going to be very very robust.

Now one thing that amazes me is that there are so few hams that do use
the faster modes like CLOVER II for their qso's replacing SSTV and FAX
and those modes in a 500 Hz channel. You can send perfect pix rapidly
and no hits and have rather high definition. And with the neat software
available for the HAL cards (including the P-38) from the I.D.R.A.(International
Digital Radio Association) formerly the ADRS, you can STILL keyboard with
the other ham DURING the file transfer of pix, sound, .exe files etc.
But it just has not caught on. Maybe the price. The new card at under
$400 list does most everything except pactor II. If it did that or they
would add that later for a reasonable fee (under 100 bux, say) I would
be a buyer like yesterday.

Rick, KV9U

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:28
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From: [e-mail] (Lyle Kraft)
Subject: Re: What is S.C.A receiver ?
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willi_r ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >
: > I may be mistaken but wasn't the term S.C.A. from Subsidiary Carrier
: > Authorization? An FCC term that allows the subcarrier on fm stations to

        I remember it as Subsidiary Communications Authorization.

        FYI, one of our local TV stations has the SAP subcarrier that looks
        to be an FM 80kHz subcarrier on the audio carrier.  It will be
        interesting to see what different stations end up using these
        subcarriers for,  if not for just regular program material.

        Regards,
        L

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From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:30
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: What is S.C.A receiver ?
Date: 15 Jun 1995 16:55:36 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Lyle Kraft) wrote:
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>       FYI, one of our local TV stations has the SAP subcarrier that looks
>       to be an FM 80kHz subcarrier on the audio carrier.  It will be
>       interesting to see what different stations end up using these
>       subcarriers for,  if not for just regular program material.
>
>       Regards,
>       L
>
These SAP subcarriers are part of the stereo TV specification, and most stereo
TVs and VCRs are capable of decoding the primary one, intended for consumer
reception.  This carrier uses a wider bandwidth and dbx noise reduction,
thus the audio quality is generally better than FM SCA.  There are also other
narrower-band SAP channels at higher subcarrier frequencies (thus lower audio
quality) inteneded for private use by the station, or possibly uses similar to
FM SCA, subject to regulation I suppose.
Practical applications for SAP are probably very limited, considering the
inability of many people to use even the simplest electronic devices.  One
station once repeated the National Weather Service VHF forecast channel on
their SAP, which was a useful idea, but the station was quickly flooded with
calls from viewers who had inadvertently activated the SAP decoder on their
TVs and were now hearing the wrong audio.  The situation got so bad that the
station discontinued the signal, either dropping the SAP carrier entirely
(which causes most receivers to default back to "stereo" mode, even if "SAP"
has been selected), or replacing it with a mono version of the main channel
audio.

-Mike KD4QDM
Home of the Amazing KD4QDM 9600 Packet Modem

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:30
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
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Subject: Re: What's a wormhole?
Date: 13 Jun 1995 17:57:51 GMT
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Thanks, all.  I've a much better understanding of wormholes now.  All that
info via e-mail and the posts here was very much appreciated.

Thanks!

73 de Bill, KC7JSD

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:31
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From: [e-mail] (ALAIN BOURASSA)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: WWW page under JNOS 1.10?
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 22:16:00 -0500
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Hi to all

This message is comming after a request from the sysop of the system
where this message is originating

The Internet router that we use is JNOS 1.10j
JNOS is doing a great job for that, everythings are running fine
It links PCboard 15.2 to the Internet via a PCboard door

He asked me if I knew a way to install some Web Pages under JNOS
directly

To my knowledge I told him that maybe it could be possible

Did someone ever tried that ?

Is possible to do it via a special software that will link to JNOS
or something like that ?

any infos will be welcome

73's

Alain
VE2MTV


 * OLX 2.2 * email:[e-mail]

From [e-mail] Thu 15 Jun 95 13:19:32
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From: [e-mail] (Tovar)
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Subject: Re: WWW page under JNOS 1.10?
Date: 15 Jun 1995 05:25:36 GMT
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    The Internet router that we use is JNOS 1.10j
    JNOS is doing a great job for that, everythings are running fine
    It links PCboard 15.2 to the Internet via a PCboard door

    He asked me if I knew a way to install some Web Pages under JNOS
    directly...

You don't need to put up 'httpd' to have web pages, although that is
the preferred method.  You can also put WWW pages on FTP servers, and
the protocol is set up such that only the original reference need even
mention FTP.  So, you first (published) link might be:

        ftp://yourhost.xyz.com/~w6xyz/index.html

instead of the customary

        http://yourhost.xyz.com/~w6xyz/

Which would appear in my own web page (if i chose to reference you) as

        <A HREF="ftp://yourhost.xyz.com/~w6xyz/index.html">W6XYZ's page</A>

but what's nice is that *your* references might look like:

        <A HREF="hfnode.html">my APRS HF gateway</A>

to refer to a page describing how your APRS server running on HF works.

Now, if you changed from running off an FTP server to running of an HTTPD
(WWW server), you won't have to change anything, nor will you have to
change your files if you move them to another directory, or even another
machine.

So, if you've got an FTP server, you're already in business to serve WWW
pages.
                        -- KD6PAG  (networking old-timer, RF newbie)

From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:41
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From: [e-mail] (Teh Aik Wen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ### Would like info on ATV (fast/slowscan)
Date: 17 Jun 1995 18:24:35 +0800
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Say, does anyone here work ATV (both fast & slowscan), I'm basically
interested in getting started, and would like to ask a couple of (really
beginner) questions.

Would appericiate directions to an FAQ which covers this too. Thanks

Please email - my newsfeed is awfully cranky.


From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:41
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From: [e-mail] (Mark_Bramwell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: 9600baud mods for TM-201?
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:41:06 GMT
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I am making mods to various radios so people can get onto 9600baud in our
city.  I have downloaded the mods listing and the tm-201 was not listed.

Has anyone tried 9600 with this radio?


From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:42
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Callahan)
Date: 16 Jun 95 18:36:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Alinco 610/packet
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Need help...... Cant get the fool thing to send or rcv via Baypac w/v4.10
Baycom software. Instructions are a little vague on proper wiring of mic and
spkr jack, I'm not sure I've got it right. I would appreciate any help on this
subject.
Thx.
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From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:43
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Is there anyone made Tapr AN-93 kit workable?
Need some details.
Thanks, Danilo +

From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:43
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Jones WD5IVD /999999)
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Subject: Re: AN-93 ?
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The AN-93, after considerable delays, is schedule to be available in
July.  So, no one has the TAPR version working.  Several built the kit
that it is based on that Johan Forrer, KC7WW did.

The TAPR version of the kit will support both AFKS and FSK output and
provide on-board alignment.  No test equipment is required (as of the
beta-test) to align the modem for use -- the an-93 itself is the test
equipment.

Hope that helps.

I am really looking forward to this kit being available.  It is a kit
that many more amateur can build and have fun with than some of our more
technically aimed kits.

Cheers - Greg, WD5IVD
Pres TAPR

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[e-mail] wrote:
: Is there anyone made Tapr AN-93 kit workable?
: Need some details.
: Thanks, Danilo +

From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:44
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From: [e-mail] (Jackie McNabb)
Subject: Re: Anyone running Linux, nos, and wormhole software?
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: >I have a very well connected (internet T1) Linux box with a good ant and a
: >radio/tnc.
: >
: >How do I get a wormhole setup so the locals can packet to other areas?
: >
: >I have used dos nos in the past.  I am looking for an easy to setup linux
: >version.

The 1.3.x Kernal has direct support for AX.25 TCP/IP built in.  I did not
have too many problems setting it up.  It basically treats the TNC as if
it was a regular Network Interface Card, transparantly encapsulating the
TCP/IP packets in an AX.25 packet.  I believe it is compatible with NOS.

Chris McNabb
KB7DAR


From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:45
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Morris)
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Subject: Broadcast Protocol ??
Date: 18 Jun 1995 09:30:32 GMT
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Hi,
    looking for any work that someone may of done using the Broadcast
Protocol to "simulate " the same transmission as the satellites. I believe
there is some commerical arrangement with the code used on the birds.

We are trying to develop a PBBS forwarding system within Brisbane using
a broadcast protocol so that one major host can forward to all BBS's
within the Brisbane area. The efficiency of Broadcast is very good, as
many know in the satellite area.

73's
Ken VK4KWM
VK4KWM@VK4DGQ
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:45
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From: [e-mail] ("Brian Chester")
Subject: Re: F6FBB Message Scan
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Jon i think his name is Chris G6FCI @ GB7FCI does such a programme,but
it only searches through the messages at fbb clean up time,and we we run
it it took about half an hour,so we scrapped it.I dont no of a filter
that searches through the messages as they are recieved.
Brian G4DXB ass sysop @ GB7GBY.

From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:46
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From: [e-mail] (Gary L. Johnson)
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Due to a change in the server,  XPCOM, XPDUAL, XPKAM and XPPTC
have been moved to a new directory on the FTP site.

All programs are now available from

        ftp.indirect.com

        directory : pub/www/gjohnson

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* Gary Johnson KF7XP                 *  702 S. Ashbrook                  *
* Packet : [e-mail]      *  Mesa, Arizona 85204              *
* gjohnson @indirect.com             *  [phone] Voice             *
* CIS: 74041,2317                    *  [phone] BBS  1200->14400  *
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From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:47
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Millar)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Ham-Digital Digest V95 #183
Date: 15 Jun 95 17:56:14 GMT
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>Date: 15 Jun 1995 12:46:40 GMT
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: NEED HELP!  Respond : Grounding 'Experts' !

                        <Stuff Deleted>

>     First, don't get bent out of shape until you find there is a problem.
>     Second, build your own serial cable with only one end of the shield
ground
>connected.
>                                   73 Jim [e-mail]
>

A few points about cable shields seem appropriate.  A number of posts
referred to grounding a shield at only one end.  This has some advantages
and disadvantages.  Clearly, having the grounded shield creates a
electrostatic shield to prevent coupling of E-fields in the vicinity from
coupling into the wires of the cable.  By not connecting it at both ends, no
currents can flow in the shield...which at first glance prevents
electromagnetic coupling into the wires of the cable.  This approach works
best with low level audio signals in an environment with significant ground
current.  Examples include aircraft audio distribution, building PA systems,
and so forth.

However, this has a big disadvantage in the presense of RF fields.  A shield
grounded at one end forms a quarter wave resonant antenna at a frequency
dependant on its length.  This antenna in effect focuses hi-Q resonanting
currents onto the shieldat one end and high voltage RF electrostatic
coupling at the other end.  So, although low impedance, low frequency
grounds get prevented, RF currents become encouraged.

In practice, hams should ground shields at both ends for any practical
applications within a ham shack.  Consider the other approach only if you
have to run repeater audio from the basement of a high rise to a repeater on
the top floor.

jeff, wa1hco


From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:48
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From: [e-mail] (Douglas Armstrong)
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Subject: Help with tranciever for 2400 BPS modem
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If any one of you experts out there could help me I would appreciate it.
I am currently building a 2400 bps modem from a EXAR chipset.  That's no
problem :)  But from what I gather I just send the audio in/out to a
transiever.  Will any voice transiever work?  What frequency should I
look for?  I need a range of around 5 miles, but if that's not practicle
I can settle for 500 ft.  <grumble grumble>.   Do I need a license for
this, if so where can I get a good book to study for the FCC license.  As
you can see I'm very new to radio.

Oh, BTW respond to [e-mail], thanks!

From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:48
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From: [e-mail] (Bice Schmitz Du Moulin)
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Subject: Help! interface 9600 KW-TS-790A
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Does anybody know if accessory terminal#2 on the ts-790a can be used directly
for 9600 baud.Or where can inject the "audio" from the tnc (Kam 9612) to the
rig.Any help at all please! Tnx. Bice.


From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:49
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: How do I packet with an HT?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bob Waffenschmidt) writes:
>I am looking to buy a 2m HT and would like to use it to get on to
>packet.
>
>Exactly what do I need (I have the computer with serial port!).
>WHAT MUST I LOOK FOR IN THE RADIO I AM USING FOR THIS PURPOSE?
>Pardon me if this is a FAQ but an HT seems like a special case.

HTs are perhaps the worst possible choice for packet operation.
They are underpowered, have intermod prone receivers, and typically
long TR switching time due to the "leaky PTT" keying methods usually
employed. It's very difficult to do the internal modifications necessary
to inject modulation directly at the varactor, and difficult to tap the
demodulated signal directly at the discriminator in order to avoid the
waveshape distortions of the radio's audio circuits.

If you must use a HT, the best choices are older crystal controlled
units with separate PTT switching and tight RF filtering in the
front end. Motorola HT220 or GE Mastr PE series HTs will work fairly
satisfactorily if you have a good outside antenna. None of the current
generation of Gameboy radios will work well, though the Radio Shack
HTX-202 is head and shoulders better than the rest.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:50
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From: Jim Devenport <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Is the BAYCOM is made?
Date: 15 Jun 1995 04:01:20 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jeff Hall) wrote:
>
>   A few years ago a friend of mine loaned me his BAYCOM which sold for
> $50.00 then. It really worked well. As I recall other than it didn't have
> a mail box it was a fine piece of equipment. I am thinking of using if
> with my laptop for when I am on the road...Any way back to my orginal
> question. Is the BAYCOM still being made or is something better for the
> same price?...thanks..73es..Jeff



...Keep in mind BAYCOM is the German-originated SOFTWARE.  The modem
I think you're remembering is called BAYPAK or some such and I still
see ads for it in the magazines as listed in other responses to this
post (Tigertronics etc).
Jim WB5AOX







.



From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:51
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Nielsen)
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In article <3robag$[e-mail]> Jim Devenport <[e-mail]> writes:

>[e-mail] (Jeff Hall) wrote:
>>
>>   A few years ago a friend of mine loaned me his BAYCOM which sold for
>> $50.00 then. It really worked well. As I recall other than it didn't have
>> a mail box it was a fine piece of equipment. I am thinking of using if
>> with my laptop for when I am on the road...Any way back to my orginal
>> question. Is the BAYCOM still being made or is something better for the
>> same price?...thanks..73es..Jeff



>...Keep in mind BAYCOM is the German-originated SOFTWARE.  The modem
>I think you're remembering is called BAYPAK or some such and I still
>see ads for it in the magazines as listed in other responses to this
>post (Tigertronics etc).
>Jim WB5AOX

Actually the hardware made by the Germans is also called Baycom.  It is
licensed in the U.S. to Paccomm and sold by them.  Baypac and several others
are clones.





>.




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From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:52
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From: [e-mail] (Holger Wolff)
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Subject: Re: Is the BAYCOM is made?
Date: 19 Jun 1995 13:32:35 GMT
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In article <3rf50a$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>  A few years ago a friend of mine loaned me his BAYCOM which sold for
>$50.00 then. It really worked well. As I recall other than it didn't have
>a mail box it was a fine piece of equipment. I am thinking of using if
>with my laptop for when I am on the road...Any way back to my orginal
>question. Is the BAYCOM still being made or is something better for the
>same price?...thanks..73es..Jeff


Read the WWW-Page "WWW.baycom.de"


73 de DL8YAU  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:52
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From: [e-mail] (Cdharri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Kantronics 9612 & TCP/IP
Date: 14 Jun 1995 22:24:16 -0400
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Yes, I have used mine with an old dvr2-2. The 9600 bps is marginal though
but it is in the radio no the tnc. I use mine for 1200 and 9600 bps
connections.
You need to set up the autoexec.nos attach and route.

Chris Harris Kg5rm@ka5bml-1

From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:53
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From: [e-mail] (J. Miner)
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Subject: KCP3 With LPT1 Computer Port
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Hello

Is it possible to use the Kantronics KPC3 with a Parallel port on the
computer.  What do I have to do, and do I need special softwear.

73 and Thanks,
Jon N2XFZ

From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:54
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From: Bob Winingham <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: KCP3 With LPT1 Computer Port
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>>Is it possible to use the Kantronics KPC3 with a Parallel port on the
computer.

For the price of a bi-directional parallel to serial converter you can
add a used serial card to you Computer. There are lots at the sidewalk
sales.

Bob KC5EJK



From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:54
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From: Rich Florio  71612,[e-mail] <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: KPC-9612 <-> Kenwood TM-733
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Is this problem with the 733 at 9600 fixed with later models? and
has Kenwood admitted the problem and will they do a fix on it?
I am waiting for my KPC 96-12 to arrive and was looking forward
to them working well together, I am very bummed out!

Rich Florio   KB2TMA

[e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:55
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From: lou zook <[e-mail]>
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Subject: model 100 software
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I,ve been told that there is software available to allow the use of a
Radio Shack model 100 and an Ht (I have a Kenwood TH=21A) without a tnc
(as packet),for mobile use. Since the 100 has an internal modem, I can
see the possilbility, but ??????  Have a good local link, and could build
an amp for the xmtr, and a preamp for the rcvr.

Could anyone provide me with info, pro or con, or a copy of the software,
if it exsists.

thanks,

Lou Zook K4JHN

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:56
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I,ve been told that there is software available to allow the use of a
Radio Shack model 100 and an Ht (I have a Kenwood TH=21A) without a tnc
(as packet),for mobile use. Since the 100 has an internal modem, I can
see the possilbility, but ??????  Have a good local link, and could build
an amp for the xmtr, and a preamp for the rcvr.

Could anyone provide me with info, pro or con, or a copy of the software,
if it exsists.

thanks,

Lou Zook K4JHN

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:56
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Subject: Multimode TNC Recommendation
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From: [e-mail] (David P. Baker)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 12:04:58 GMT
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I'm planning on picking up a multimode TNC.  I've pretty much
narrowed it down to the KAM Plus and the PK-232.  Any
recommendations?

Dave - AA9OQ

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From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:57
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From: [e-mail] (peterw)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: need help with 555 for flasher circut please
Date: 17 Jun 1995 18:26:10 GMT
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This is the closest group that might know. I am a candy manufacturer
designing an exhibit for a New York trade show. We are building a 12 foot
tall chocolate Empire State Building. I need a bright light for top
tower. LED is to dull.  I recall from my early electronic hobby days that
a short pulse of higher than normal voltage will work on 6 or 12 volt
lights when not pulsed for to long even though to much voltage is applied
to light it won't burn out if very short duration is used but it does
give bright flash.  If anyone can help contact me at email or fax me at
516-931-2186.  Best answer to my problem will recieve candy reward.
Thanks Peter



From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:58
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: NEED HELP!  Respond : Grounding 'Experts' !
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Greg Dolkas) writes:
>Imagine my surprise a few years ago when my wife mentioned, off hand,
>that one of our wall switches was warm...  Turned out that the electrician
>didn't like to use wire nuts, and instead had used these little crimp rings
>to bond wires together.  Over time, any circuit with significant current
>would corrode due to the relatively small contact area, which generated heat,
>corroding it more, etc.  By that time the black tape used to insulate the
>joint was toast.  Shortly after fixing that box, we got a reminder to check
>the rest of the house *now*; a similar junction behind the smoke alarm down
>the hall got toasty enough to set off the alarm.  I found two others that were
>well on their way, and decided to replace *all* connections with wire nuts.

When using crimp ferrules, the wires are supposed to be twisted then
crimped. The crimp is only to assure the wires don't untwist. It's not
intended to be the only electrical connection. This is a secure wiring
method when done correctly. Normally, this method is only required on
safety ground wiring, but it is acceptable practice for other wiring if
extra insulation is applied.

Wire nuts often suffer from insecure connections too, and can be a real
hazard if not properly used. Electricians use wire nuts because they
are quick, not because they are good. Ferrule crimps are required on
safety grounds because they are good, even though they are a pain to
apply properly.

You suffered from an incompetent electrician, not from a faulty wiring
practice.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:43:59
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Subject: Re: NEED HELP!  Respond : Grounding 'Experts' !
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (L. M. Rappaport) writes:

>>Where my scheme breaks down at the moment is that the tower has two
>>individual ground rods and there is one on each of three guy wires.
>>I'd guess that could cause a loop, eh?

>Connect them in a star at the tower base, and then connect that
>point back to the star at the house. A star of stars is an acceptable
>topology.

The guys are steel and not insulated from the tower.   In addition,
the tower base is also grounded.  I can connect all those grounds as a
star which then connects to the star at the house, but doesn't the
tower + grounds constitute 3 loops in the tower star?

IE, if the tower is grounded, a guy wire is grounded, and connecting
each of those to another, common, star create a loop?

Thanks, Gary,

Larry


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From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:00
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In any case, by effectively shorting (bridgeing to a common point) the
tower base and the three guy wires, eliminates the possiblity for
ground loops, correct?  Bascially, all grounds go to a common point
(by the utility meter) and are starred out from there.

I'm going to have to do a little rework this summer.  I've been lucky
so far!

Larry
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From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:00
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Need New Control Pgm. for KAM
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        I use Hostmaster II with my Kantronics KAM, an old DOS-based program
that does an adequate but very plebian job of handling the KAM's two ports.

        My question is, does anyone know of a good Windows-based control
program written for the KAM?  If so, where can I get a copy?  It can be
freeware, shareware, or for sale by a conventional publishing company - doesn't
matter.   Thanks, George  N3NJM

e-mail: [e-mail]
phone:  [phone]

From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:01
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From: [e-mail] ("Steve Blinkhorn")
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Essex Packet Shareware who is the Official UK/European Agent of paKet on
behalf of Tony Lonsdale VK2DHU are able to accept paKet Registrations
from the USA. The cost is U.S. Dollars 30-00. personal cheques to be made
out to AMERICAN EXPRESS (Not Essex Packet Shareware) and mailed to:-

Jim Mahoney G6FCL
Essex Packet Shareware
89, Tyefields
Pitsea
Basildon
Essex SS13 1JA
United Kingdom

On receipt of your cheque, you will be sent an Officially Registered
paKet disk together with your Registration Number.

73 Steve G1XGP Co UK paKet 6 Agent with Jim G6FCL

Any enquiries can be sent to: [e-mail]

From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:02
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Jones WD5IVD /999999)
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Hi Jim

TAPR (Tucson Amateur Packet Radio) has been handling the US registration
for Tony for the last year.  This is in addition to a fellow in
Colorado that does it.  So anyone in the US might find TAPR easier to
use for paKet 6 registration.

TAPR can be reached at:

Internet: [e-mail]
Phone [phone]
Fax [phone]

TAPR
8987-309 E Tanque Verde Rd #337
Tucson, Az
85732

MC and Visa accepted

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From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:02
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From: [e-mail] (Simon Kay)
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Subject: PC Control of Yaesu FT767
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 04:31:37 GMT
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I am very keen to contact anybody who has been able to control their
yaesu ft767 with microsoft windows or if anybody has been able to
achive this with windows visual basic.

Thanx in advance,

Regards,
Simon Kay
ZL1ALR
Auckland
New Zealand


From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:03
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Schmidt)
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Subject: radio mods
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Summary: request for mods
Keywords: mods, modification, Yeasu

Does anyone know where I can find a schematic/mod listing for a Yeasu
FT-470.  Before you go bonkers, I'm not looking to use it for xmitting
9600bps packet, just receiving (it'll be one half of a full-duplex
setup).

Specifically, I'm wondering if there is some point within the radio that
I can tap for discriminator output.

Thanks,
        Steve Schmidt, N3QEM

email: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:04
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Salmon)
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Subject: Short-range cheap radio modem
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I want to have a two way link between a base-station and a mobile PC, with a
range of about 100 metres. Speed is not very important (1200 baud would be
fine) but it has to be cheap, small and low-power. I know very little about
radio, so I'm looking for advice. I was thinking about something like an RC
transmitter - would it be legal to send digital data over that band in the UK?
Is there any off-the-shelf hardware to do this? (ideally, a box with a serial
port and a plug saying "attach RC set here" :-) )

cheers

mike.

___________________________________________________________________________
Mike Salmon, Climatic Research Unit,   |
University of East Anglia, Norwich, UK | SCUBA diving in the United Kingdom
[e-mail]     [phone] | http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/ukdiving/

From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:05
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From: "R. Bingham" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Source for ETHRAX25.ZIP
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Does any one know of a FTP site for ETHRAX25?  The source listed in the
July QST on page 40 lists the /hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming directory
at ftp.ucsd.edu.  When I checked this location, I could not find the
file.  Has it been renamed and/or moved, or is it available from another
site instead?  Would appreciate help on locating this zip file.  Thanks.

                                        73,
                                        Rich, WW0Q


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From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:06
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Nielsen)
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In article <[e-mail]> "R. Bingham" <[e-mail]> writes:


>Does any one know of a FTP site for ETHRAX25?  The source listed in the
>July QST on page 40 lists the /hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming directory
>at ftp.ucsd.edu.  When I checked this location, I could not find the
>file.  Has it been renamed and/or moved, or is it available from another
>site instead?  Would appreciate help on locating this zip file.  Thanks.

>                                        73,
>                                        Rich, WW0Q

I did an archie search and it was found at pc.usl.edu

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From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:06
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: What ever happened to CLOVER ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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References: <[e-mail]> <3rcf4t$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <3rfjon$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <3s0hei$[e-mail]>
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In article <3s0hei$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Lyndon Nerenberg) writes:
>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>
>>The problem with standalone boxes is that they choke the entire
>>computer/modem interaction down to a single RS-232 stream. This
>>puts all status and control signaling in-band with the data stream.
>
>And Ethernet has been around for HOW many years?

Lots, and ethernet uses plugin cards, not external boxes, so that
the computer can communicate with the card over more than a single
bitstream. There are status and control ports that are out-of-band
from the data. This is exactly the right model for packet interfaces,
they should behave like ethernet interfaces.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:07
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From: [e-mail] (Lyndon Nerenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: What ever happened to CLOVER ?
Date: 17 Jun 1995 23:30:42 -0700
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:

>I think you're right about proprietary protocols. Networkers are
>leery of single source systems that won't interoperate with other
>manufacturer's systems. This has hurt both Clover and GTOR. But
>I don't think that the fact that Clover plugs into an ISA buss
>is a drawback. I think it is very much a plus for the hardware
>to be more tightly integrated with the computer platform of choice
>of nearly all amateurs. And if you want a standalone box, HAL will
>sell you a Clover system already plugged into a PC with the
>software pre-installed on the disk. This is the way they sell the
>product to the commercial market.

Except that the world is a MS-DOS PeeCee, in the eyes of the
manufacturers. DOS drivers don't help me get these devices running
on my {FreeBSD,BSD/OS.Linux} systems. People who are *seriously*
interested in building networks (vs head-to-head chat) are not
using DOS these days.

When the vendors recognize that open systems (gawd I hate that term)
are where it's at we will get somewhere. Can you imagine proprietary
SSB encoding schemes?

It's time to hammer on the manufacturers to start publishing encoding
schemes and *software* *implementations* of those encoding schemes.
Either they realize this is in their own best interest or they go the
way of Wang. Unlike the PC market, in ham radio the bucks are still
to be made in the hardware. If we ever make soldering part of the
amateur radio exams that might change. I'm not holding my breath on
that one, however.

--lyndon


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From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:08
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From: [e-mail] (Lyndon Nerenberg)
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Subject: Re: What ever happened to CLOVER ?
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:

>The problem with standalone boxes is that they choke the entire
>computer/modem interaction down to a single RS-232 stream. This
>puts all status and control signaling in-band with the data stream.

And Ethernet has been around for HOW many years?

--lyndon


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From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:09
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From: [e-mail] (David C Gingrich)
Subject: Re: What is S.C.A receiver ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <3ro6o3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(willi_r) wrote:

> I may be mistaken but wasn't the term S.C.A. from Subsidiary Carrier
> Authorization? An FCC term that allows the subcarrier on fm stations to
> provide an additional fairly low bandwidth audio.

SCA is also used for data transmission such as stock market tickers,
nationwide paging services, and host of other things none of us can think
of.

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Lockman Mills & Associates             Office: [phone]
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From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:10
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: What is S.C.A receiver ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <3rpom8$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike Keitz) writes:
>Practical applications for SAP are probably very limited, considering the
>inability of many people to use even the simplest electronic devices.  One
>station once repeated the National Weather Service VHF forecast channel on
>their SAP, which was a useful idea, but the station was quickly flooded with
>calls from viewers who had inadvertently activated the SAP decoder on their
>TVs and were now hearing the wrong audio.  The situation got so bad that the
>station discontinued the signal, either dropping the SAP carrier entirely
>(which causes most receivers to default back to "stereo" mode, even if "SAP"
>has been selected), or replacing it with a mono version of the main channel
>audio.

Alas, this is all too true. We've discontinued SAP programming for
this very reason. Now if we can just follow the lead of the French
and get rid of those stupid hue and tint knobs, we'll have a fighting
chance of getting video into the home that looks even vaguely like
what we transmit. It seems impossible to underestimate the intelligence
of the average TV viewer, even potted plants are smarter.  At least they
would leave things at factory defaults (and likely wouldn't sit still
for things like Donahue, Montel, or Geraldo either). Sheesh, don't
get me started. I just finished analyzing the May book, and the things
people prefer to watch are appalling.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:11
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From: [e-mail] (Sjoerd Krol)
Subject: Why is 'mbox jumpstart' command gone in JNOS???
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Haai there,

Is there someone who can tell me why the 'mbox jumpstart' command is left
out
in JNOS versions later than (I think) version 1.08d??
I read a little text about it in the readme.now file, but I don't know
what
wrong jumpstarts there were. I know that you can define a ax25 bbscall to
get
your mbox jumpstarted with an ax25 connection, but your beacon will be
transmitted with the hwaddress callsign. So when someone sees you and
doesn't
know what program you're running (or whatever) he/she will trie make a
connection to the hwaddress callsign. He or she doesn't know that you
have
to send an enter (or something else) to get into the mailbox. He or she
will
disconnect, because they think it's due to a bad link. Are there that
kind of
problems so that it's not possible to get the 'mbox jumpstart' command
back?
I know that the command still exists in TNOS (version 1.13 and it's
probably
the latest??).

Greetings,
         Sjoerd.
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    | CB Packet radio smtp address : [e-mail] |
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From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:11
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From: Bob Recny <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Win95 & AX.25
Date: 19 Jun 1995 13:59:16 GMT
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I just saw a couple of messages for a WinNT driver for AX.25.  How about Win95?  Will
the same driver work?

I'm more of a hardware hack and have not done much software, so some of the details
still elude me.

73 de Bob
N8SQT



From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:12
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas A. Talley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Windows NT and AX.25 Device Driver
Date: 18 Jun 1995 11:44:03 GMT
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I would like to develop a device driver for Windows NT that
supports the Amateur Packet Radio AX.25 standard.

Just wondering how best to place such a device driver
(i.e. protocol stack).

Or has someone already started?

Tnx Tom


From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:13
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Barber)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Windows NT and AX.25 Device Driver
Date: 19 Jun 1995 09:08:46 GMT
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In article <3s13i3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Thomas A. Talley) says:
>
>
>I would like to develop a device driver for Windows NT that
>supports the Amateur Packet Radio AX.25 standard.
>
>Just wondering how best to place such a device driver
>(i.e. protocol stack).
>
>Or has someone already started?
>
>Tnx Tom
>

Tom:

This isn't my 'forte', but I wonder if you could do it in the same
manner as the other protocols; IE TCPIP.SYS and the like.  That way,
'other' net services could bind to it, and the NT installable service
for FTP, (as well as others) would work as well. I am using the EMWAC
versions of HTML server on our (cabled) LAN, and it would be a real
kick to be able to 'shim' them to AX.25.  Of course,
you'd have to write your own version of WSOCK32.DLL as well, but
man, whatta way to go !

I'm not much of an NT C++ programmer, but subscribe to MSDN Level II,
so if you need any reference help, lemme know.  I also have another
compiler (XBASIC) which can write ring 0 drivers, but I haven't ever
done that kind of work.

Good Luck !
Jim Barber, N7CXI

From [e-mail] Mon 19 Jun 95 16:44:13
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Yaesu FT-470
Date: 19 Jun 95 19:48:21 GMT
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Anyone know of a mod to get access to the detector output of an FT-470?  I
want to use one as a RX-only portion of a FDX 19k2 link that we have here.
I'd dearly love to get my better radios out of where they are stuck now, and
I need a cheapo RX only radio which works well with a strong 9600 signal.

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

Thanks,
        Steve Schmidt, N3QEM

email: [e-mail]

From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:25
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From: Dave Koberstein <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: ### Help with installing nos (tcp/ip)
Date: 20 Jun 1995 21:27:24 GMT
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>I'm trying to gets started installing nos (specifically tnos) from scratch,
>and have got a couple (read as a -lot-) of questions I'd like to ask (but I
>basically don't really know what I want to ask either).
>
>Anyone out there familar with the stuff, could you please follow up by email
>and we see if you could help me understand this stuff?
>
>I've got the following right now, a 386DX20, a 'baycom' style packet modem,
>and am running on a Dos based system. Unfortunately, none of that is likely
>to be changed anytime soon, so I'll just have to live and make do with what
>I've got.
Hi Teh,

tcp/ip can be quite a challenge but well worth it.  I'd suggest starting
with NOSView (software) and NOSIntro (a book from ARRL).  You can find
NOSView on ftp.ucsd.edu.

NOS by default interfaces with a tnc in KISS mode.  To interface with
other devices, such as a LAN card or the Baycom modem, you'll need to
load a driver before starting NOS.  You can find the Baycom driver in
a file called drivers.exe.  I believe I found it on ftp.ucsd.edu also.

You can fire up NOS [e-mail] (Teh Aik Wen) wrote:
connecting to anything and learn a lot about
it.  That would be a good way to go.  Then add the Baycom driver.

Finally, once you've learned a bit about NOS, then move to other versions
like TNOS or JNOS.  While they work a little differently, you'll be
able to figure them out.

Best of luck,

Davek


From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:26
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From: Brad Smith <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: ### Would like info on ATV (fast/slowscan)
Date: 22 Jun 1995 16:33:03 GMT
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[e-mail] (Teh Aik Wen) writes:
>
> Say, does anyone here work ATV (both fast & slowscan), I'm
basically
> interested in getting started, and would like to ask a couple
of (really
> beginner) questions.
>
> Would appericiate directions to an FAQ which covers this too.
Thanks
>
> Please email - my newsfeed is awfully cranky.
>

I work ATV fast scan and would be glad to talk to you about it.
I have not found much info on ATV here so if anybody knows where
there is more on ATV, please let me know.
73,
Brad Smith KC5SP

--
Bye

From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:26
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From: Bob Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: 9600 bps modem for PI card?
Date: 21 Jun 1995 18:31:15 GMT
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[e-mail] (John Paul Morrison) wrote:
>
>Does anyone know of a 9600 bps modem that can be added on to the
>low or high speed ports of the Ottawa PI card? Either pre-built, kit
>or just plans.


The TAPR 9600 bps modem kit ($80.00) will work fine with a PI card.  See
www.tapr.org or ftp.tapr.org for more information or call 817-383-0000 (FAX
817-566-2544).

-------
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Tucson, AZ                 AMPRnet: [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:27
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From: [e-mail] (Alexander List)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone running Linux, nos, and wormhole software?
Date: 21 Jun 1995 23:08:08 +0200
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Jackie McNabb ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : >I have a very well connected (internet T1) Linux box with a good ant and a
> : >radio/tnc.
> : >
> : >How do I get a wormhole setup so the locals can packet to other areas?
> : >
> : >I have used dos nos in the past.  I am looking for an easy to setup linux
> : >version.

> The 1.3.x Kernal has direct support for AX.25 TCP/IP built in.  I did not
> have too many problems setting it up.  It basically treats the TNC as if
> it was a regular Network Interface Card, transparantly encapsulating the
> TCP/IP packets in an AX.25 packet.  I believe it is compatible with NOS.

I've got a Baycom SCC card with a 8530 on it. Has anyone such a thing
running under Linux? Is there support for other cards with that SCC?



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From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:28
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From: [e-mail] (Matthew Francey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone running Linux, nos, and wormhole software?
Date: 22 Jun 1995 01:29:19 -0400
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[e-mail] (Alexander List) writes:

>I've got a Baycom SCC card with a 8530 on it. Has anyone such a thing
>running under Linux? Is there support for other cards with that SCC?

check the Linux source code:  /usr/src/linux-1.3.2/drivers/char/scc.c

From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:29
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Landis - Systems & Network Mgr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Anything better then 9600? 56K?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 21 Jun 95 13:07:00 EST
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Marcus Damberger) writes:
>    I have been reading and seeing a lot about the 9600bps packet modem's
> around. Doing TCP/IP in KISS and all. What I was wonder if you can get one
> that could do better then 9600bps, like 56Kbps or slightly less? I would
> think that this speed could compare to bi-directional land line
> connections at 144K. I would like to do TCP/IP using this method. As I
> have a friend that is 20mi away and has to pay toll charges to connect up
> to the net via GTE. It would cost him $3 per hour at night.. The best band
> to do this on would be 70cm as it has the allotted bandwidth for this sort
> of thing. Any comments would greatly be appreciated.
>
>
>                   -Marcus Damberger / N9RZE Amateur Radio
Hi,
Check out the 2Mbps/10Ghz data link described in the ARRL Handbook a few years
ago. I think it was in 93 or 94. With line of sight paths and small dishes,
you should be able to do 40 miles or so.

The RF stuff is pretty easy to build up. You can get away with using surplus
Gunn transcievers that show up at hamfests for like $15. You need to build up a
modulator/PSU, and an IF with AFC. It's all described and pretty simple too.
You'll end up with a full duplex system.

The interface to these is a 15pin ethernet AUI connector.

I'd like to do the same thing here but am having trouble getting anyone else
in the area in on it. So in the mean time I've been playing with WBFM on 10Ghz,
and doing 2400baud IP on 2 meters. :(

Joe - AA3GN
--
Joe Landis - Systems and Network Manager - North American Drager - Telford, PA
[e-mail]

From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:30
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Merritt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Anything better then 9600? 56K?
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:07:00 -0400
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>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Marcus Damberger) writes:
>>    I have been reading and seeing a lot about the 9600bps packet modem's
>> around. Doing TCP/IP in KISS and all. What I was wonder if you can get one
>> that could do better then 9600bps, like 56Kbps or slightly less? I would

>>
>>                   -Marcus Damberger / N9RZE Amateur Radio


For more info on 9600 => 56k ++   speed equipment, check out my
Web Pages...      http://www.mindspring.com/~bobm/

73/Bob

From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:30
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From: Antonio Pacheco <l36422>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Cheap 9600 bps radio?
Date: 22 Jun 1995 18:20:18 GMT
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Hi,

   I'm looking for a cheap 9600bps ready radio. I heard about the TEKK radios
but I was looking for a source in europe. By the way where can I find a crystal
manufacter, I need a pair of xtals for a old ICOM IC-320 !.( If anyone needs
the mod for 9600 in the IC-320 just ask).

   Thanks in advance,

73 de Antonio, CT1ERW

P.S.: pse email me also as I may miss the post. ( [e-mail] )


From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:31
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Szretter)
Subject: CHEAP PACKET?
Message-ID: <hmm-2206951746090001@192.0.2.1>
Sender: [e-mail]
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:40:50 GMT
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Currently, all I own is a 2 meter HT, and an outside antenna.

I would really love to get on packet.

What I would like to find out is what can I get into that is real cheap
just to get started?
I dont care if its 1200 baud to start with, even though im sure ill go to
9600 later, and hopefully maybe higher if possible.

If there is something that works and works at 1200+ for around 50 bucks or
less, that would probably be great.

I am even open to kits...

I eventually will end up getting a multi-mode controller when I get an HF
radio, but for now im just saving my money for the HF radio!

Please help -
Thanks in advance!

--
| Scott Szretter        bbs:508-655-8927 - email:[e-mail] |
|    N1VAN              infolink:5:18:1 - fidonet:1:333/927     |
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From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:32
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From: [e-mail] (David B  Hartley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: CHEAP PACKET?
Date: 23 Jun 1995 12:55:24 GMT
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Scott Szretter ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Currently, all I own is a 2 meter HT, and an outside antenna.

: I would really love to get on packet.

: What I would like to find out is what can I get into that is real cheap
: just to get started?
: I dont care if its 1200 baud to start with, even though im sure ill go to
: 9600 later, and hopefully maybe higher if possible.

: If there is something that works and works at 1200+ for around 50 bucks or
: less, that would probably be great.

: I am even open to kits...

: I eventually will end up getting a multi-mode controller when I get an HF
: radio, but for now im just saving my money for the HF radio!

: Please help -
: Thanks in advance!

: --
: | Scott Szretter        bbs:508-655-8927 - email:[e-mail] |
: |    N1VAN              infolink:5:18:1 - fidonet:1:333/927     |
: |                       ftp: ftp.netcom.com /pub/hm/hmm         |
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--

David Hartley, 305-341-8519, Fax: [phone]
Coral Springs, FL 33071
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:33
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From: [e-mail] (BillH10190)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Digicomm V5.0
Date: 23 Jun 1995 18:36:40 -0400
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I have a couple of versions, not sure which is which. I have versions for
both the C64 and the C128 They work great and actually where better than
any of the IBM type programs. feel free to call Bill WA9VOL 708-867-4731

From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:35
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Janne)
Subject: Re: FBB on CB-BAND
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Sender: [e-mail] (Janne Hukkinen)
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:09:45 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Frank Malherbe) wrote:
> From: [e-mail]
> To  : FBB@EU
>
> Hello,
>
> >From: [e-mail]
> >To  : FBB@EU
> >
> >>From: DG0CAW @ DB0BAL.#SAA.DEU.EU  (Alexander)
> >>To  : FBB @ EU
> >>
> >>Hi ,my name is Alexander and my QTH is Staasfurt in JO51TU. I need a version
> >>of FBB for a mailbox in cb-radio. 73 de Alex DG0CAW @ DB0BAL.#SAA.DEU.EU
> >>
> >>=============================================================================
>
> >>Perhaps Alexander does not know that it is ILLEGAL to use packet on the CB
> >>bands.
> >- Or  perhaps you  GI7OMY do  not know  that it  is LEGAL to use packet on CB
> in
> >Germany.
>
> Agreed. GI7OMY, Colonie-days are over.
>
> >>It is also a breach of copyright for FBB to be used for any other
> >>purpose than Amateur Radio:
>
> Understand what Alexander wants. He want's a version of FBB for CB. I courage
> F6FBB to make a cheap commersial version of FBB for CBers.
>
> >>Perhaps 'CB' should also be added to file filters and REJET.SYS!
>
> If  so  then  add  'Internet'   and  everything  that's  not  packet  to  your
> REJET.SYSes.
> I want to see what's happening on CB-packet not to mention internet..
>
> --
> Janne, @OH2NZV.FIN.EU  --  internet :  [e-mail]
>
> Hello Janne, i did read your message on our CB-RADIO network :-)) yes there
> is already an great network running on CB-radio.

Actually noticed this by misstake, once it was a good misstake.


> For your info:
> Whe do have an fast running network in The Netherlands on CB, with
> forwarding to Danmark Sweden Germany Belgium.

Could you tell more? How fast? (Propably faster than our HAM-PR-net here :)


> Danmark and Sweden are done by thelephone 4ward every day, and Belgium and
> Germany are done by packet.

That telephone sticks in my eye; I don't like it. It's expensive (?) and it's
somehow too easy..

>
> FBB is writen for amateurs, but we are also amatuers !!!!! we do also like
> to experiment with radio's or that kind of stuff, so who can tell me i am
> not an amateur, yes oke agree i do'nt have a licence like the 2 mtr
> amateurs, but the interest in radio's is the same.

Good point! Didn't think of that..actually what I'm every day doing I could
propably do it on CB and propably more (with internet gates)...I hardly
experiment with RF techniques, I like more what I can do with the keyboard
of my PC.

Well, then I have the possibility to do something else..


> As i can see here in the Netherlands, a lot of registrated amateurs make use
> of the experimenst done by CB people like building modems for higher
> baudrate's, or DCD.

Do you have actually more than 1k2bps on 27 Mhz ? If, then normal AFSK (well,
maybe not normal for everybody).


> So as i said again we are also amateurs, but only on the CB-band.

If some nut-head here in Finland comes with an idea to restrict the minor
(due to our regulations) internet gateways I will propably look to changes
on CB (hope the requlations or the peolpe who are reading them are then
lighter for CB - well, of course ham-req.s should come first :)


> We even do have an PACKET<>INTERNET mail gateway :-)) so we can also send
> message's forwarded by FBB to the station who is runnig the gate, and there
> it will be send on internet.

We (and those Big-Hats on the other continent) have also gates. The requlations
are the first brake; it's like running on the water.


> I even think the "LEGAL" amateurs are very interested how it is done to make
> such a gate running :-)), and i can tell you it works hi.

I hope I have some day enough will to read the TCP/IP / NOS -DOC through..

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From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:41
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From: [e-mail] (Janne)
Subject: Re: G8BPQ Software wanted
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Sender: [e-mail] (Janne Hukkinen)
Organization: Radio Club of Kauniainen (OH2NRG)
References: <3paj0l$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:27:51 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Jan Anker) wrote:
> In article <3paj0l$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jose Miguel Fonte) writes:
> >From: [e-mail] (Jose Miguel Fonte)
> >Subject: G8BPQ Software wanted
> >Date: 16 May 1995 16:14:13 GMT
>
> >        Hello
> >        Can anybody tell me an ftp site to get the latest version of
> >        the G8BPQ software ?
> >        I think it's Version 4.08 but I don't know where to get it !
> >        73's de CT1ENQ - Miguel

v4.08a has been on air for several months. Haven't seen newer.



> try ftp://kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov/pub/hamradio/g8bpq
> or on www.systemtechnik.tu-ilmenau.de/hamftp.html where you will find a lot of
> ham refs, such as g8bpq software on ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/ham/
> gd luck es 73 de on9cja / pa0lbn
>
>
>
>

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From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:42
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From: [e-mail] (Grinel)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: HF channel simulator
Date: 22 Jun 1995 05:40:32 GMT
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From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:43
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: How to get NASA bullitens
Date: 22 Jun 1995 13:27:01 -0500
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(Ibrahim Alshugair) writes:

>Hello and thanks 4 reading this message.
>Is there any place to subscribe to get NASA news..???
>I need that to up date my sattlite trackers
>usually i get it via HF packet but now a days propagation is very bad on
>all the bands we used for packet 15 & 20 meter.
>so any help is appreciated.
>best 73,s
>*****************************************************************
>Packet               [e-mail]                   *
>Internet             [e-mail]               *
>*****************************************************************

Hello Ibrahim, here is the info you're looking for as far as NASA news.
I don't have the Keplarian elements mail list address but will find it and
post it here for you.

NASA NEWS:
NASA press releases and other information are available
automatically by sending an Internet electronic mail message
to [e-mail].  In the body of the message (not the
subject line) users should type the words "subscribe press-
release" (no quotes).  The system will reply with a
confirmation via E-mail of each subscription.  A second
automatic message will include additional information on the
service.  Questions should be directed to [phone].

73, Greg Horine
N9PBD
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:43
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Subject: How to get NASA bullitens
From: [e-mail] (Ibrahim Alshugair)
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Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 19:42:00 +0300
Organization: * Sahara BBS * Dammam,Saudi Arabia +(966)-3-833-2082 *
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Hello and thanks 4 reading this message.
Is there any place to subscribe to get NASA news..???
I need that to up date my sattlite trackers
usually i get it via HF packet but now a days propagation is very bad on
all the bands we used for packet 15 & 20 meter.
so any help is appreciated.
best 73,s
*****************************************************************
Packet               [e-mail]                   *
Internet             [e-mail]               *
*****************************************************************

From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:44
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From: [e-mail] (Garry Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: How to get NASA bullitens
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:04:15 +0900
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Ibrahim Alshugair) wrote:

> Hello and thanks 4 reading this message.
> Is there any place to subscribe to get NASA news..???
> I need that to up date my sattlite trackers
> usually i get it via HF packet but now a days propagation is very bad on
> all the bands we used for packet 15 & 20 meter.
> so any help is appreciated.
> best 73,s

Check out rec.radio.amateur.space

73's  VK3XYX
 _____________________________________________________________________
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|                                            5/380  St Kilda Rd.      |
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From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:45
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: How to get NASA bullitins
Date: 22 Jun 1995 13:42:50 -0500
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In message <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Ibrahim Alshugair) writes:

>Hello and thanks 4 reading this message.
>Is there any place to subscribe to get NASA news..???
>I need that to up date my sattlite trackers
>usually i get it via HF packet but now a days propagation is very bad on
>all the bands we used for packet 15 & 20 meter.
>so any help is appreciated.
>best 73,s
>*****************************************************************
>Packet               [e-mail]                   *
>Internet             [e-mail]               *
>*****************************************************************

OK Ibrahim, here's the one I think you're looking for:
send an email message to:
[e-mail]

In message body type subscribe elements your name

then send! You'll get confirmation almost right away.

That should do it for you.

73, Greg Horine
N9PBD
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:46
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Introducing the TAPR-TNC SIG
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 01:30:38 -0600
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Introducing the TAPR-TNC SIG
--------------------------------------------

To subscribe:
send e-mail to: [e-mail]
with a blank subject.  In the body of your message, write

     SUBSCRIBE TAPR-TNC FIRST_NAME LAST_NAME

This SIG is intended to be a low volume, high s/n place to discuss issues
related to use of the TAPR (and clone) TNCs.  It is not moderated at this
time; list subscribers are requested to remain on topic and use discretion to
help keep up the s/n ratio.

The following subjects with respect to TNC-1 and TNC-2 are "on topic":

 o - Hardware bugs, problems, mods
 o - Firmware bugs, problems, patches
 o - TAPR documentation
 o - Interface issues
 o - Announcements of the above
 o - Suggestions for enhancements
 o - and anything else reasonably resembling the above

Although packet radio novices are invited to join, this is probably the wrong
place to post new user questions.  More rapid and complete replies to new user
questions is more likely to be found in one of the many newsgroups in the
rec.radio.amateur.* hierarchy.

This is also the wrong place to debate the merits of various manufacturer's
offerings or to elicit suggestions about "Which TNC should I purchase?"
Please try the newsgroups.

At times, you may find your post is relevant to one of the other fine TAPR
SIGs as well as this one.  Initial crossposting is not necessarily a bad idea.
 Use your judgment.

Spirited, lively discussion is invited but flames will be promptly
extinguished.  The moderator reserves the right to deal with flames and
off-topic posts from a stance somewhere between complete arbitrariness and
Solomonesque.  Hopefully more of the latter than the former.

73, Howie N2WX




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From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:47
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Zastovnik)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: JNOS not receiving - help.
Date: 23 Jun 95 15:45:48 GMT
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Running JNOS110j on a 286 and 486 and I cannot get it to receive data from
the tnc.  It seems to transmit my ID Okay, but nothing is received, not even
when I set tracing on.   When I run KA9Q's NOS, everything works okay.  My
autoexec.nos for jnos is about the same as for NOS except that the commands
that JNOS does not use are removed.

Does anyone have any clues to why JNOS does not receive?  I have gone
through all of my doc's searching for an answer.

KD6E



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From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:48
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From: @   (Jack Snodgrass)
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Subject: Re: JNOS not receiving - help.
Date: 23 Jun 1995 17:02:26 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ron Zastovnik) writes:
>Running JNOS110j on a 286 and 486 and I cannot get it to receive data from
>the tnc.  It seems to transmit my ID Okay, but nothing is received, not even
>when I set tracing on.   When I run KA9Q's NOS, everything works okay.  My
>autoexec.nos for jnos is about the same as for NOS except that the commands
>that JNOS does not use are removed.
>
>Does anyone have any clues to why JNOS does not receive?  I have gone
>through all of my doc's searching for an answer.

Make sure that you have
param port dtr on
param port rts on
where port is the name of the port. If you don't set these to on, JNOS
will Xmit, but not receive.

73's  de  Jack   -  kf5mg
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From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:49
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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
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Subject: Re: Looking for recomendations for 9600 rigs
Date: 21 Jun 1995 21:58:26 -0400
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[e-mail] (Bice Schmitz Du Moulin) writes:
I've downloaded a good, recent listing from the Internet (can't remember
just where it was located!) and would be happy to e-mail it to you.
[e-mail]        73   de wa0swd
>I am looking for advice on which 9600 baud ready radios to buy or which are
>the easist to mod. Any thoughts?


From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:49
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From: [e-mail] (SysTech Control)
Subject: looking for xmt & rcv for 1 or 2 digital points, 100 meters range
Message-ID: <6167cb$a3733.ed@PolarNet>
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Hi -
I'm in search of radio equipment to transmit (1 way) a binary signal over
a limited distance, for remote installation.
Thanks!
Ken Irving, [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:50
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: model 100 software
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <3s30dh$[e-mail]> lou zook <[e-mail]> writes:
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit)
>To: all
>
>I,ve been told that there is software available to allow the use of a
>Radio Shack model 100 and an Ht (I have a Kenwood TH=21A) without a tnc
>(as packet),for mobile use. Since the 100 has an internal modem, I can
>see the possilbility, but ??????  Have a good local link, and could build
>an amp for the xmtr, and a preamp for the rcvr.

The internal modem in the Mod 100 is Bell 103, VHF 1200 baud packet
is Bell 202, so that won't work. As I recall, been a while since I
had a Mod 100, there's a cassette port on the thing. It seems like
it would be possible to write assembler software to bit-bang that
ala Baycom, to do VHF packet.

Of course with a TNC, the built in terminal firmware works fine,
and is the way I used mine.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:51
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From: Steve Ford <[e-mail]>
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Subject: NOS on floppies?
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Is there a "shortened" version of NOS that would run on an old
XT that has only two 5 1/4" floppy drives?

Thanks and 73 . . . Steve
WB8IMY




From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:52
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Nielsen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: NOS on floppies?
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:34:43 LOCAL
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In article <3s9km2$[e-mail]> Steve Ford <[e-mail]> writes:
The version I have compiled for my own use (JNOS 1.10J, 386 compile) runs
about 180K when compressed with PKLITE.   The distributed compiled version has
a bunch of stuff most users don't need  and which takes up a lot of disk space
and RAM.  A 8088 compile would be somewhat larger, but probably not much over
200K compressed.  Even the distributed .exe should fit on a 360k floppy, maybe
even on a bootable disk (if not, you could boot from one and run NOS on the
other).

Bob

>Is there a "shortened" version of NOS that would run on an old
>XT that has only two 5 1/4" floppy drives?

>Thanks and 73 . . . Steve
>WB8IMY




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From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:52
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: NOS on floppies?
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>>>Is there a "shortened" version of NOS that would run on an old
 XT that has only two 5 1/4" floppy drives?

I think you could squeeze it on - Just make sure that NOS.CFG
points to the B: drive for those files that won't fit on A:



From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:53
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From: Pete Ryza <[e-mail]>
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Subject: NOS VERSION
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I have a AT&T 6300 PC what version of nos would I use?
Pete



From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:53
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From: [e-mail] (douglas koster)
Subject: packet activity monitoring
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Daer OM's

I'm looking for a program to monitor packet activity on a channel
ONLINE. Who uses/knows a program able to display an unlimited
MHEARD-list and statistics for the stations on channel like the number
of frames send (connect-frames, I-frames etc).

I use a PK-88

Thanks for any info,

Douglas (holland)



From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:54
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: packet activity monitoring
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 14:39:48 -0600
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You are looking for MONAX.  It is available in the TAPR software library on
ftp://ftp.tapr.org/tapr/software_lib
Try the misc folder.

Cheers - Greg, WD5IVD


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From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:55
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From: Jim McHale - NM1W <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: packet activity monitoring
Date: 22 Jun 1995 13:52:45 GMT
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If you use a mac try Packet Tracker (avaiable on tapr.org and the usual
archives)
-jim/NM1W


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From: [e-mail] (Bob Nielsen)
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Subject: Re: packet activity monitoring
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Greg Jones) writes:

>You are looking for MONAX.  It is available in the TAPR software library on
>ftp://ftp.tapr.org/tapr/software_lib
>Try the misc folder.

Also look at PHACK8.ZIP, in the same directory.

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From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:56
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Packet<->Internet gateways
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tovar) writes:
>I generally concur with Gary's remarks.  Another point:
>
>    [[Quoting revisions to Part 97 (97.219)]]
>
>    (d)  For stations participating in a message forwarding system, the control
>    operator of the first forwarding station must:
>
>>>      (1)  Authenticate the identity of the station from which it accepts
>>>  communications on behalf of the system; or
>
>        (2)  Accept accountability for any violation of the rules in this Part
>    contained in messages it retransmits to the system.

>So what does this have to do with amateur radio?  Well, if i am to run a
>node or other software which allows its users to send information either
>onto RF, directly or indirectly, then i, as the first forwarding station,
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>will insist on properly authenticating that user as another amateur radio.

But that's the sticking point. As a gateway onto amateur radio, you
are *not* the first forwarding station, you are the *originating*
station as far as the FCC is concerned, since you are originating
the message onto amateur radio. Note that (1) above says "Authenticate
the identity of the *station* from which it accepts communications.."
Since any traffic coming from the internet is not coming from an
amateur *station*, you aren't first forwarder, you are *originator*,
and as such, you can't operate under automatic control.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:24:59
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From: [e-mail] (Tovar)
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Subject: Re: Packet<->Internet gateways
Date: 21 Jun 1995 04:34:42 GMT
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I generally concur with Gary's remarks.  Another point:

    [[Quoting revisions to Part 97 (97.219)]]

    (d)  For stations participating in a message forwarding system, the control
    operator of the first forwarding station must:

>>      (1)  Authenticate the identity of the station from which it accepts
>>  communications on behalf of the system; or

        (2)  Accept accountability for any violation of the rules in this Part
    contained in messages it retransmits to the system.

        [...]

    The FCC seems to allow two alternatives to the "first forwarding" stations:
    either authenticate the originating station or accept accountability for
>>  content. Since gateway access is controlled by password and SMTP mail
>>  through the router can be blocked, or changed into POP mail (again
    password restricted to a list of known stations), I'll accept that risk.
    The FCC didn't say it wasn't allowed, They said if you do, you are
    responsible for compliance with the rules.  I believe I can ensure
    compliance with the rules with a combination of controls over the
    users, and remote control of the station.  At least on a gateway,
    I can deny access to specific stations without affecting other users.
    (now THAT would be a handy feature on a voice repeater <smile>)

        [...]

    All told, with the controls I have over the machine, (router restrictions,
>>  POPmail) and allowing or denying access to specific users, I am
>>  comfortable with operating the gateway under automatic control,
    even supporting email transport.  Just because a system CAN be used
    illegally, doesn't mean I have to turn it off.  As a control operator,
    I DO have a serious obligation to eliminating obvious risks (no USEnet
    for example),  monitoring it, and taking corrective action when necessary.
    This is no different than any Ham Radio activity.

In my opinion (and i'm sure that is shared by many systems programmers,
system adminstrators and other computer professionals), while passwords may
be the generally used method of access control, they are notably insecure
and easily forged.  At UC Berkeley (and many other places), we have found
people operating "password sniffers", code fragments which open ethernet
drivers and scan all packets over the subnet for interchanges which look
like passwords, and other plaintext authetication methods, and save these
away for manual, and sometimes even automatic, examination and usage.  In
this neck of the woods, it is a notoriously bad means of access control,
for which there is not yet agreement on solutions.  I know that if the
position that i'm in changes from temporary to permanent, one of the things
that i will institute in the next year or so is some kind of challenge and
response for non-local users such that someone viewing the exchange in
plaintext is reasonably unlikely to be able to make use of this information.

So what does this have to do with amateur radio?  Well, if i am to run a
node or other software which allows its users to send information either
onto RF, directly or indirectly, then i, as the first forwarding station,
will insist on properly authenticating that user as another amateur radio.
I do not consider plaintext passwords, or for that matter, singular
passwords at all, to be adequate authentication to put my license (and my
family pocketbook) at risk.  They might be adequate for dialup usage, but
not if sent via the Internet.  I might be willing to access responsibility
for third party traffic from close friends who clearly know, understand,
and are willing to operate under the constraints of Part 97, but i will
not do that for strangers (or those who are not close friends), licensed
or not, unless i can definitively show the FCC, or any other responsible
parties, that i have made a reasonable effort to authenticate these
operators and that they should be held responsible for their actions, not
i.  Otherwise, i would not be willing to do much more than effectively
transport RF input to RF output, in order to qualify as being a "forward-
ing station in  message forwarding system".  And still, i would monitor
from time to time, in order that make reasonable efforts to become aware
of any "violative communications" occuring as other than isolated
incidents.  This may or may not be necessary, according to how you might
read Part 97, but i would consider it to be prudent conduct in the same
way that a control operator of repeater would monitors her/his repeater.

                        -- KD6PAG  (networking old-timer, RF newbie)

From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:25:02
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From: [e-mail] (Tovar)
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Subject: Re: Packet<->Internet gateways
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    >So what does this have to do with amateur radio?  Well, if i am to run a
    >node or other software which allows its users to send information either
    >onto RF, directly or indirectly, then i, as the first forwarding station,
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    >will insist on properly authenticating that user as another amateur radio.

    But that's the sticking point. As a gateway onto amateur radio, you
    are *not* the first forwarding station, you are the *originating*
    station as far as the FCC is concerned, since you are originating
    the message onto amateur radio. Note that (1) above says "Authenticate
    the identity of the *station* from which it accepts communications.."
    Since any traffic coming from the internet is not coming from an
    amateur *station*, you aren't first forwarder, you are *originator*,
    and as such, you can't operate under automatic control.

Agreed in principle, and also because i'm not clear what the Commission is
really requiring, as i think we may have a grey area here, i later took
the position:

    >...  Otherwise, i would not be willing to do much more than effectively
    >transport RF input to RF output, in order to qualify as being a "forward-
    >ing station in [a] message forwarding system".  And still, i would monitor

I can't tell what they really mean there [97.219], and without being able
to see the administrative equivalent of the legislative history (if such
even exists), i'm certainly not going to stick *my* neck out.  Sooner or
later, someone else will, and that section will get tested, and then i
can act on the results of that.  Or some respected organization like the
ARRL will request language clarifying this point.  Meanwhile, i would
strongly suggest that one be very careful if one is considering offering
this service, as i view it as quite problematic.

    Yes, but that assumes that each and every person you allow access
    to your gateway via the internet is a licensed amateur operator
    with privileges in the band where your transmitter operates, and
    that each and every one of them has been previously entered into
    the station records as a control operator...

That's an interesting approach.

        ... If you give the amateur side operators control operator
    status, then the control channel must *not* be on the operating
    frequency, and must operate under auxilliary operation rules
    and be part of the system network diagram in the station records
    of the remote controlled station.

I would presume that this is more like station under remote control
via some kind of 'land line', where frequency doesn't really mean very
much.  If the information being sent comes from RF, then it probably
doesn't need to be considered as remote control, and won't be subject
to those restrictions.  It is an interesting approach...

    The way I interpret the FCC forwarding rules, they apply only
    to networks of *amateur* stations forwarding messages on radio,
    when you throw non-amateur message content or remote control
    links into the mix of an *originating* station, you've got
    troubles.

I agree that this is difficult, at best, and might get one into trouble
given the uncertainty as to how the rules will be interpreted.

On the other hand, if such a gateway can definitively determine that it's
beyond the first forwarding station, then i would appreciate it if such
nodes were less restrictive.  Unfortunately, many nodes, particularly of
the JNOS variety, are apparently either unable or unwilling to make this
distinction.

                -- KD6PAG  (networking old-timer, RF newbie, who has
                            probably spent too much time watching over
                            his local city council.)

From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:25:03
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From: [e-mail] (KE6CBF)
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Subject: Please Help Me  (I've got a packet problem)
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I just recently got a KPC-3 packet controller.  I can't get it to work
with Windows however.  I am trying to set it up on com port 4, but it
won't initalize.  I am getting various errors such as, "port not
responding" or "windows intialization error."  Can any one help me
out?  If you know what IRQ's I should use as well as the address,
please e-mail them to me, or post them here.  Thank you.

KE6CBF


From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:25:04
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From: [e-mail] (Don Russ)
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Subject: Re: Suppliers of wireless modems?
Date: 21 Jun 1995 18:54:18 GMT
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In article <3rkn9i$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>> I'm looking for a supplier of wireless modems with an RS232, RS485, or
>> TTL serial interface.  I would appreciate any suggestions.
>
>> Thanks.
>
>
>> [e-mail]
>
>Are there any without an RS232 interface ?
>
>73 Ian - GM0ILB >>
>
>

We supply wireless modems from 1200 BPS to 384000 BPS but they are
INDUSTRIAL radio links and are not " HAM PRICED ". 360-512 and 928-952
MHZ.

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From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:25:04
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Nielsen)
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Subject: TFKISS wanted
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:18:29 LOCAL
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Does anyone know where I can get by ftp a copy of TFKISS?

TIA,

Bob
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Tucson, AZ                       AMPRnet: [e-mail]
AX.25: [e-mail]  WWW: http://primenet.com/~nielsen/


From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:25:05
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From: [e-mail] (BillH10190)
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Subject: Wanted; Kenwood IF10B
Date: 23 Jun 1995 18:38:20 -0400
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I need a Kenwood IF10B chipset and board for the Kenwood TS940S
Please call Bill 708-867-4731

From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:25:05
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From: [e-mail] (Mike K. Tyler)
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Subject: Weather Fax
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:08:44 GMT
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Can anyone point me in the right direction as to where to find a list of HF
weather Fax freq's and times?

Many thanks for any help

[e-mail]

From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:25:06
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From: [e-mail] (David Negaard (Oberon-))
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Subject: What is the least expensive way of getting Linux up on packet?
Date: 23 Jun 1995 16:56:22 GMT
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I'm a fairly recent licensee (got my ticket in December), and I've
been exploring the principles of packet.  I'm _really_ interested in
TCP/IP, but far from disinterested in other modes.  My inquiry is as
follows:

I'm on a _tight_ budget.  I'd like to get on packet using something in
the same price-range as a baycom (a baycom would be _fine_).  I'd also
like to do it without booting DOS (I'm trying like mad to avoid that).

I've got the latest Linux kernel (1.3.3) and have compiled it with
_everything_ even remotely packet-related included (IP-forwarding,
IP-multicast, IP-firewall [in case I get a chance to run a gateway],
AX.25, NetROM, SLIP and CSLIP, PPP), and now I want to know what the
most affordable modem/TNC option is for 1200 bps packet.

Is there a Linux program that does what the Baycom software does,
allowing me to just use a modem (and radio, of course)?  I'll be using
my RS HT, so 1200 bps is all I need for now.  Is there a home-brewable
modem that will serve my purposes?

Or, is there another inexpensive alternative?

Any and all help appreciated!
--
o David Negaard                   o [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri 23 Jun 95 21:25:07
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From: [e-mail] (Janne)
Subject: Where PC/FlexNet & TNN ?
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:33:01 GMT

Hello,

Where could I find PC/FlexNet?
- FTP-site?
- Landline BBS in Europe? (with V. FC 28k8bps)

Runs it with TNC2? In kiss-mode?

Is there newer than 3.3c?

Also interrested in TheNetNode, saw somewhere 1.55 is there newer? With docs?

(Deutsch geht auch)

PSE also a reply in case I miss the follow-up.

--
⌡α∩∩ε

P.S.
- Ever heard of Konan TenTime Intelligent disk controller (TNT-1050). I need
  the support disk. Is there a Konan Corp. any more?




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:30:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
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Subject: 9600 bps modem question
Date: 26 Jun 1995 07:59:11 GMT
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I have a simple question about 9600 bps modems:

  A 9600 bps modem is only a low-pass filter to eliminate the higher
armonics of the square-waves at the output of the HDLC interface prior to
direct FM modulation? or It has some other weird electronics?

TNX & 73

EB1DIX

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From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:30:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Arnold Pichler)
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Subject: Amiga Packet ??
Date: 27 Jun 1995 14:41:32 +0200
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I bought a TNC2 some days ago and now would like to start Packet. I know
some good prog's for PC, but I have an old AMIGA 2000 and do not know what
to do with that thing, so I thought it would be the perfect packet machine.
I wonder if there are any good packages for Amiga, and if there are share-
ware programs to test my TNC with the machine...
TNX, Arnold [OE6APF]
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From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:30:50 1995
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From: Brad Crew <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Digicomm V5.0
Date: 25 Jun 1995 11:06:34 GMT
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Hi Bill,
Any chance of emailing me a copy of your latest version, I have V3.6, which I
downloaded from a ftp site a few months ago. But I am looking for Version 5.0.



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:30:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Tovar)
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Subject: re: Digital Autopatch
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    I am looking for information on a system that would allow a client
    station to connect to a host station, have the host station dial a phone
    number, and then gateway phone data to packet data. The result would be
    the ability to call a land line based service provider (read BBS) from a
    rig in the field. I am calling the arangement a digital autopatch until I
    know better...

This is not a technical problem, it's a matter of Part 97.  The gateway
station would be sending Third Party traffic and that can't, in general,
happen unsupervised.  But if the RF station can supply a phone number,
then you've got a serious problem here.  It's an interesting idea, but
the problems are just as bad as trying to connect the Internet (of which
there has been considerable discussion).  When that issue has been
adequately addressed, then this one probably will be, too.

    Does this exist yet? Does it have a name? Where could I learn more about
    it if it does exist?

No demand, for the above reasons.

    Anyone want to theorize what sort of equipment/protocols/software would
    be needed for such a thing if it doesn't exist?

It's probably not a difficult programming problem, and can be done with
most machines which support both dialing out and packet, and which give
the programmer adequate control over these facilities.

To summarize, the programming problem is trivial compared to difficulties
with Part 97.  You might be able to access a BBS which only takes postings
from RF, but you won't ever see general access until the FCC sees things
differently (in my opinion).

                        -- KD6PAG  (networking old-timer, RF newbie)

P.S.  I can imagine a restricted digital auto-patch specifically for deaf
hams to access the TTY-to-voice gateway that our local phone company
provides, as well as a list of comparable TTY numbers intended only for
deaf users.  This would be comparable to a local repeater which has
conventional auto-patch codes to access emergency services.  This an
obvious extension:  the ham, by way of explanation, and by being in
control of a low-speed interaction with another human, could, in a manner
analogous to a conventional auto-patch, immediately terminate the
interaction if the other end does not comply with Part 97.  If a computer
is at the other end, it does no good to explain the rules, as there's no
way it can be expected to comply.  Now, if the computer were able pass
the Turing Test...


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:30:52 1995
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Subject: HALLO THERE..????
From: [e-mail] (Ibrahim Aldaraan)
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HALLO THERE.

I AM A NEW USER OF THE INTERNET. ARE THERE ANY ONE WHO WANTS TO TALK
WITH ME ABOUT THE FOLLOWING SUBJECTS:

1- THE THEORY OF ANTIGRAVITY FORCE.
2- THE THEORY OF MAKING MATTER INVSIBALE.
3- THE THEORY OF UNIFYING ALL THE UNIVERSAL FORCES.
4- UFO.

THANK YOU ALL.

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From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:30:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Help, Have HP200LX palmtop, and Baypac TNC, How to set up????
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Emmanuel Amaefule ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Help, I have a Hewlett Packard HP200LX palmtop, and a Baypac TNC modem.
: I'm running HP's F1015-80002 Serial cable from the 200LX into a Radio
: Shack DB-9 to DB-25 converter.  From the converter I'm plugged into the
: Baypac TNC.  I'm running a Kenwood TH-28A HT for a radio.  The whole
: thing works on my Compaq Laptop, but doesnt run on the HP.  The HP setup
: does let the rig transmit, however for only a micro of a second.  Also,
: the Recv does not indicate in the Baycom program window, however Send and
: QRV do indicate.  What am I doing wrong?

I had a similar problem on my 100LX, but I kind of knew what I was seeing.
You need to use the cable adapter with the phone on it.  You need to switch
pins 2 & 3.  That should get you going.

73 de Bill B., KC7JSD


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:30:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keitz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Help, Have HP200LX palmtop, and Baypac TNC, How to set up????
Date: 27 Jun 1995 02:12:21 GMT
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In article <3smqa3$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Bill Blohm) wrote:
>Emmanuel Amaefule ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>: Help, I have a Hewlett Packard HP200LX palmtop, and a Baypac TNC modem.
>: I'm running HP's F1015-80002 Serial cable from the 200LX into a Radio
>: Shack DB-9 to DB-25 converter.  From the converter I'm plugged into the
>: Baypac TNC.  I'm running a Kenwood TH-28A HT for a radio.  The whole
>: thing works on my Compaq Laptop, but doesnt run on the HP.  The HP setup
>: does let the rig transmit, however for only a micro of a second.  Also,
>: the Recv does not indicate in the Baycom program window, however Send and
>: QRV do indicate.  What am I doing wrong?
>
>I had a similar problem on my 100LX, but I kind of knew what I was seeing.
>You need to use the cable adapter with the phone on it.  You need to switch
>pins 2 & 3.  That should get you going.
>
>73 de Bill B., KC7JSD

The Baypac is NOT a TNC.  It is only the modem part of one.  It does not
communicate with the PC over pins 2 and 3, the normal transmit and receive
data pins.  These pins can be left unconnected for all the Baypac cares.
Sometimes pin 2 is used for power.  Data is transferred to the modem using
DTR, pin 20 for Transmit Data, and CTS, pin 5, for receive data.  The
synchronous data from the modem is framed and decoded by the Baycom software,
L2.EXE (This program does the work of the rest of a TNC).  The asynchronous
port is used as a bit timer, by setting it to a high baud rate, and outputting
bytes to the (unconnected) transmitter to generate periodic interrupts.
Because the port is used in this unconventional manner, it must be fully PC
compatible (8250, etc. equivalent) I do not know if the HP machine in question
is capable of this.  If it is, a similar problem could be noticed if the port
is set improperly in SCC.INI.

Troubleshooting:
Disconnect the modem and measure voltage at pin 4 of 25-pin connector from the
computer (Ground is pin 7)  If near 0 volts, a cross-over cable like Bill
mentioned is required.  Should be - volts when receiving and + volts when
transmitting (status line shows SEND)

If always - volts, then check port setting in SCC.INI (I think the parameter
name is RS232).  If it switches from - to + to transmit (with modem connected,
radio should key), but still nothing is received, port/ computer may not be
compatible with Baycom.  Also some Baycom modems do not output full RS232
signal swing, making reception impossible on some computers, but transmission
OK.  I don't know if the Baypac is one of those.

-Mike KD4QDM


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:30:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Zastovnik)
Subject: Re: JNOS not receiving - help.
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In article <3ses32$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ron Zastovnik) writes:
>>Running JNOS110j on a 286 and 486 and I cannot get it to receive data from
>>the tnc.  It seems to transmit my ID Okay, but nothing is received, not even
>>when I set tracing on.   When I run KA9Q's NOS, everything works okay.  My
>>autoexec.nos for jnos is about the same as for NOS except that the commands
>>that JNOS does not use are removed.
>>
>>Does anyone have any clues to why JNOS does not receive?  I have gone
>>through all of my doc's searching for an answer.
>
>Make sure that you have
>param port dtr on
>param port rts on
>where port is the name of the port. If you don't set these to on, JNOS
>will Xmit, but not receive.
>
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I now find out that the actual problem is that trace does not work.
It does receive okay, but nothing is displayed on the screen when
trace is on.  (trace tnc0 111).  Works fine on nos.  So my question
now is why does my trace not work?



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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
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Subject: Re: JNOS not receiving - help.
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ron Zastovnik) writes:
>I now find out that the actual problem is that trace does not work.
>It does receive okay, but nothing is displayed on the screen when
>trace is on.  (trace tnc0 111).  Works fine on nos.  So my question
>now is why does my trace not work?

Press F9 or type "str off"  Then go read the docs.  All this crap is in
there...



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:30:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gene R. Wolford)
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Subject: Looking for CLOVER users
Date: 26 Jun 1995 23:20:01 GMT
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I picked up a HAL P38 board at Dayton. As they appeared to be selling
like hotcakes, there must be a few of you out there. I believe the place
to look on 20 is 14064, 065,....14069? Don't know about other bands.
I,d like to drum up some activity. Any takers? Any suggestions?
Does HAL have a presence on the Internet?


Gene
KB7WIP
Portland, Oregon



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:30:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Sjoerd Krol)
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Haai there,

Is there a possibillity to decrease the maxframe of tcp/ip links?
I'm working with jnos 1.10j and can only find a command to set the ax25
maxframe. With a very good link, I got a maxframe with tcp/ip of 11!
I think that's to many, because you'll be sending for about 10 sec
at once (128 bytes paclen and 1200 bps interface).

Greetings,
         Sjoerd.
    +----------------------------------------------------------+
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    | CB Packet radio smtp address : [e-mail] |
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From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:30:58 1995
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From: Jon Bloom <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Maxframes for tcp/ip links??
Date: 26 Jun 1995 13:26:38 GMT
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[e-mail] (Sjoerd Krol) wrote:
>Is there a possibillity to decrease the maxframe of tcp/ip links?

When sending IP via AX.25 UI (unconnected) frames, the AX.25 maxframe
parameter doesn't apply. What you can do instead is reduce the TCP
"window" parameter. That will act somewhat equivalently to the AX.25
maxframe parameter, although on a connection-by-connection basis. If you
set the MTU of your packet interface to 256, resulting in a TCP MSS of
216 (if memory serves), the maximum number of TCP packets normally sent
at one time will be (window/216).

Of course, if you have more than one TCP connection ongoing, you can end
up with (window/256) packets to transmit for each connection...

Oh, and a change to the window only affects subsequent connections, not
connections already established.

Of course, if you are using connected-mode AX.25, maxframe should work.

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From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:30:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
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Subject: Re: Maxframes for tcp/ip links??
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Sjoerd Krol) writes:

>Is there a possibillity to decrease the maxframe of tcp/ip links?
>I'm working with jnos 1.10j and can only find a command to set the ax25
>maxframe. With a very good link, I got a maxframe with tcp/ip of 11!
>I think that's to many, because you'll be sending for about 10 sec
>at once (128 bytes paclen and 1200 bps interface).

maxframe is set with the ax25 maxframe command as you indicate.
it can be set to any number between 1 and 7.  If jnos allows numbers
larger than 7, then it has a bug.  The maxframe should be set to 1 for
half-duplex, and up to 7 on full-duplex.

This has nothing to do with tcp/ip, but all ax.25 links.


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From: Postogna Fulvio <postogna@ictpsp9>
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Hello everybody using NOS, I have a problem with my NOS ..... I'm trying
to use the remote control privilege (127) at the bbs prompt I give the @
command but after NOS say BE VERY CAREFUL with a series of numbers.....
I don't know what I have to answer, probably a password but I haven't set
one for this purpose.... Can somebody help me ?

      thanks in advance Fulvio IV3PYL

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From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:01 1995
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Subject: Re: NOS and Remote Access
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950626104028.23745A@ictpsp9>
           postogna@ictpsp9 "Postogna Fulvio" writes:

> Hello everybody using NOS, I have a problem with my NOS ..... I'm trying
> to use the remote control privilege (127) at the bbs prompt I give the @
> command but after NOS say BE VERY CAREFUL with a series of numbers.....
> I don't know what I have to answer, probably a password but I haven't set
> one for this purpose.... Can somebody help me ?


*** Step 1: Set up FTPUSERS. e.g.

______________________________________________
superuser supasswd /public 67
______________________________________________

The username "superuser" must be at least 7 characters
long (to prevent AX.25 users with 6-character callsigns
logging in without giving a password).


*** Step 2: Set up the remote password (max 30 characters)
    in AUTOEXEC.NOS. e.g.

______________________________________________
mbox password "This is my password string."
______________________________________________


*** Step 3: On a piece of paper, write out the mbox password,
    and number each character (starting at zero):
________________________________________________________
                    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6
T h i s   i s   m y   p a s s w o r d   s t r i n g .
_________________________________________________________


When you log in as remote sysop, the mbox will give you
five numbers. You have to respond with the corresponding
characters from your piece of paper: e.g.

_________________________________________________________

Mbox says:   22 21 18 2 12
You reply:   r  t  d  i  a
_________________________________________________________

You can reply with dummy lines if you want to fool the snoopers.
Terminate the input with 2 CRs. If one of the lines is correct,
you will get access.

73
Ian, G3NRW


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Subject: Re: NOS VERSION
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Larry:
I know it is using "DOS" but I don't know what version. I will check on
that tonight.

Thanks for the reply.
Pete WB9QWU.TRACY




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:02 1995
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Pete Ryza <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Larry:
>I know it is using "DOS" but I don't know what version. I will check on
>that tonight.

>Thanks for the reply.
>Pete WB9QWU.TRACY

If it's DOS, then you want JNOS.  The current version is 1.10J I
believe.  Try the UCSD site: ftp.ucsd.edu.

73, Larry


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From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:03 1995
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Hello.  I am looking for the latest copy of the Digital Frequently Asked
Questions material.  I have an old Digital FAQ dated Jan 1994.  Can
anyone point me to the server that has a recent one, or e-mail me a
copy.  I'd like to put it on our local packet BBS as a quick reference.
Thanks & 73's - Kevin - N4RMF - 9M2ZZ - YL/N4RMF
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kevin L. Walton, President
Walton Technical Services, Culpeper, VA 22701
AX.25     : N4RMF @ KD4MVG.VA.USA.NA
Internet  : [e-mail]
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26-June-1995 04:00 UTC



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:04 1995
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I am looking for a Packet TNC or Modem.   CHEAP!!!



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:04 1995
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I am in need of a TNC or Modem for Packet.  CHEAP!!!!



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Packet<->Internet gateways
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tovar) writes:
>
>On the other hand, if such a gateway can definitively determine that it's
>beyond the first forwarding station, then i would appreciate it if such
>nodes were less restrictive.  Unfortunately, many nodes, particularly of
>the JNOS variety, are apparently either unable or unwilling to make this
>distinction.

Yes, that's an issue the software writers need to address. Since the
rules are different for originator, first forwarder, and everyone
else, it's incumbent on the software writers to handle the differently
routed messages differently.

That's really a problem for TCP/IP systems, though, since they are
"connectionless" at the IP level where routing is done. Perhaps the
TTL field could be used for this purpose.

This is all a really nasty problem, and one the FCC should have
addressed, via Karn's petition, but they refused to do so. They
seem to still be stuck in a BBS paradigm while we're dealing with
end to end and packet by packet routing and relay. Perhaps we
can make them think these are just digipeaters. They seem to
"get" that idea.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:06 1995
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Subject: parameter maxkey in Jnos110j??
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Haai there,

If I want to use the parameter 'maxkey', which should be supported in
jnos 1.10j (if the docs and helpfile are correct), I get the message :
'parameter maxkey not supported'. According to the docs, the parameter
maxkey
sets the maximum time for the transmitter to be keyed (maximum time that
it
will be transmitting, if I understand it correctly). The command I give
is :
param <iface> maxkey 5000 (5 seconds transmitting time).

Am I doing something wrong or did I forget to compile something in??
Or do I have to use numbers instead of the word? When I'm using the
command :
param <iface> 6 5000 jnos displays : 'Hardware 5000'
Normaly I use parameters 1-5. Jnos display the following when setting
them
with 'param <iface> <number> <setting>' :

number :    displayed text :
1           Txdelay <setting>
2           Persistence <setting>
3           Slottime <setting>
4           Txtail <setting>
5           Fulldup <setting>
6           Hardware <setting>    (I don't know what this parameter does,
                                   but maybe it's the maxkey
parameter???)

Can someone give me an answer on this????





From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Sjoerd Krol)
Subject: Problems with G8BPQ
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Haai there,

I've a few questions about the G8BPQ netrom program :

1) When I set the maxframe in bpqcfg.txt at 1 frame at a time it still
   sends more than 1 frame?? That's when having only one link. When
ther're
   multiple links it sends even more than 7 frames!

2) Why is G8BPQ sending directly a poll-bit when transmitting for the
first
   time?? I see always : 'ctl I65+' instead of : 'ctl I65^'.
   A friend of me sais that it then overrules the response time and so
   corrupts the protocol??? G8BPQ becomes more agressive by it.

Can someone give me a hint??

Greetings,
         Sjoerd.
    +----------------------------------------------------------+
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    | CB Packet radio smtp address : [e-mail] |
    | E-mail                       : [e-mail]        |
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From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:08 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: request for Info on Cushcraft 214B/214FB
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 13:54:28 PDT
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I'm looking for an assembly guide or manual on the Cushcraft Jr. Boomer Model#
214B/214FB. I bought the antennae in the box and have no assembly instructions.
I will be using this for two meter packet so any information, advice or opinion
on the usefulness for this is deeply appreciated...
73, de
N5ZGW
Jake


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lee Jones)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Tse-Sung Wu  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Spam somewhere else, dude.

Folks - re-posting to a spam does nothing but lengthen its life.  You
want to do something about the spammers (and I'm all for that), contact
[e-mail].   The big online services (aol, prodigy) seem to
produce the most spams (probably because they have the most users, and
many of those are fairly clueless :-).  The good side of that is that
those big online services also respond very quickly to spamming problems
originating inside their walls.

The current one we're dealing with did *not* originate there - it came
from a site called "ixc.net", which means nothing to me, but I'm going to
send an e-mail to the [e-mail], just in case.

Regards, Lee
--
Lee Jones     | "Jesus just left Chicago, and he's bound for New Orleans."
[e-mail]  |            -Z.Z. Top
415-390-3356  |


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:09 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: SE Digi Freq.Coord Conf
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I'm still looking for people interested in attending a digital frequency
coordination meeting, in conjunction with the summer SERA board meeting,
in Knoxville, the weekend of July 22/23.  This would be primarily for
packet system operators in the SERA states (NC, SC, VA, WVA, GA, AL, TN,
KY).

Interested?  Let me know who you are, and I'll forward details.

73,

Gary Pearce KN4AQ
VP Packet>East of NC
[e-mail]
KN4AQ@N1GMV.#RTP.NC.US.NOAM



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave. Zeph)
Subject: Source of 10Mhz Zilog Parts
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I'd like to order the parts needed to upgrade a number of TNC-2
to operate at 9.8Mhz.  I know a 10Mhz parts kit is available;
however I'd like to try to reduce the overall project costs by
purchasing the parts myself.

The crystal and EPROM are no problem, but I don't know of sources
for the 10Mhz CMOS Z80 CPU and SIO chips.

I found one catalog that listed the Zilog chips, but under their
Part Number scheme.  When I asked the person if he would go look
at the chips to determine which was the 10Mhz variety, he admitted
they didn't have any in stock anyway!

Perhaps I'm just not accumulating the right catalogs these days.
Can anyone recommend where I can purchase the 10Mhz Z80 parts?

Thanks and 73 ---> Dave Zeph  ([e-mail])




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Merritt)
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Subject: Re: Source of 10Mhz Zilog Parts
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dave. Zeph) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Dave. Zeph)
>Subject: Source of 10Mhz Zilog Parts
>Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:57:04 GMT

>I'd like to order the parts needed to upgrade a number of TNC-2
>to operate at 9.8Mhz.  I know a 10Mhz parts kit is available;
>however I'd like to try to reduce the overall project costs by
>purchasing the parts myself.

>Thanks and 73 ---> Dave Zeph  ([e-mail])

Dave... I thought the same as you a couple of years back...
It was far easier to just order the kits from PacComm $25/kit
than to source the parts separately and pay extra shipping,
etc...  Just my 2cents worth ... :)

73/Bob KA4BYP
-------
"Wide World of Packet Radio"
http://www.mindspring.com/~bobm/








From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: TAPR DCD mod. and PK232MBX.
Date: 26 Jun 1995 00:25:47 -0400
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Keywords: PK232MBX, TAPR, DCD, mods.

My friend KI7MH has a PK232MBX and has ordered the state machine DCD mod.
from TAPR.  When he called to verify that they received his order the
phone person surprised him.  She told him that he needed the  PK232MBX
installation kit.  We don't read the  descriptions that way.

Also what is the difference between the PK232 and  the PK232MBX?

respond to either:

[e-mail]
or ki7mh @ kd7bn.wy.usa.noam



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Rumball)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Test
Date: 27 Jun 95 12:59:54 GMT
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Hello,

  I apologize for sending a test message to this mailing list but it is
the only way I know to test if our new gateway (gw.va3lug) can receive
submissions properly.

73 de John, VE3BUS
([e-mail])



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clinton Peebles)
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Subject: TS-850 on packet
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:17:05 GMT
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Thanks to everyone who replied to my request for help getting the 850 working
on HF packet.  Les, NL7J told me what to do and it works great.  I adjusted
the VR 18 pot in the radio down and the AFSK level on the TNC up.  Everything
is now working great.


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
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Subject: Re: What is the least expensive way of getting Linux up on packet?
Date: 25 Jun 1995 13:23:47 GMT
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David Negaard (Oberon-) ([e-mail]) wrote:
> I'm a fairly recent licensee (got my ticket in December), and I've
> been exploring the principles of packet.  I'm _really_ interested in
> TCP/IP, but far from disinterested in other modes.  My inquiry is as
> follows:

> I'm on a _tight_ budget.  I'd like to get on packet using something in
> the same price-range as a baycom (a baycom would be _fine_).  I'd also
> like to do it without booting DOS (I'm trying like mad to avoid that).

> I've got the latest Linux kernel (1.3.3) and have compiled it with
> _everything_ even remotely packet-related included (IP-forwarding,
> IP-multicast, IP-firewall [in case I get a chance to run a gateway],
> AX.25, NetROM, SLIP and CSLIP, PPP), and now I want to know what the
> most affordable modem/TNC option is for 1200 bps packet.

> Is there a Linux program that does what the Baycom software does,
> allowing me to just use a modem (and radio, of course)?  I'll be using
> my RS HT, so 1200 bps is all I need for now.  Is there a home-brewable
> modem that will serve my purposes?

> Or, is there another inexpensive alternative?

> Any and all help appreciated!
>

Baycom-type hardware needs *very* strict timing - the HDLC decoding is
done in software and the datastream must be sampled at a very high rate.

Multi-tasking operating systems like Linux, OS/2 or windoze can't give
this kind of resources to a single device - all the other processes would
stop.

Some people here are using Linux with an ISA plug in board containing
8530 scc chips. This works nice , using various NOS versions or the embedded
networking facilities of Linux. The networking facilities of Linux is not
very well suited to use over relatively slow amateur paths, however.

8530 boards for the pc: the ottawa PI card, DRSI card, PA0HZP OptoPcScc card,
and many others. Here is Holland we use mostly the PA0HZP card.

73 Joop, pe1dna.



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Negaard (Oberon-))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: What is the least expensive way of getting Linux up on packet?
Date: 26 Jun 1995 19:14:31 GMT
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>>>>> "PE1DNA" ==   <[e-mail]> writes:

> David Negaard (Oberon-) ([e-mail]) wrote:
>> I'm a fairly recent licensee (got my ticket in December), and I've
>> been exploring the principles of packet.  I'm _really_ interested
>> in TCP/IP, but far from disinterested in other modes.  My inquiry
>> is as follows:

>> I'm on a _tight_ budget.  I'd like to get on packet using something
>> in the same price-range as a baycom (a baycom would be _fine_).
>> I'd also like to do it without booting DOS (I'm trying like mad to
>> avoid that).

>> I've got the latest Linux kernel (1.3.3) and have compiled it with
>> _everything_ even remotely packet-related included (IP-forwarding,
>> IP-multicast, IP-firewall [in case I get a chance to run a
>> gateway], AX.25, NetROM, SLIP and CSLIP, PPP), and now I want to
>> know what the most affordable modem/TNC option is for 1200 bps
>> packet.

>> Is there a Linux program that does what the Baycom software does,
>> allowing me to just use a modem (and radio, of course)?  I'll be
>> using my RS HT, so 1200 bps is all I need for now.  Is there a
>> home-brewable modem that will serve my purposes?

>> Or, is there another inexpensive alternative?

>> Any and all help appreciated!
>>

PE1DNA> Baycom-type hardware needs *very* strict timing - the HDLC
PE1DNA> decoding is done in software and the datastream must be
PE1DNA> sampled at a very high rate.

PE1DNA> Multi-tasking operating systems like Linux, OS/2 or windoze
PE1DNA> can't give this kind of resources to a single device - all the
PE1DNA> other processes would stop.

I kind of thought that might be the case, but thought it was worth a
try.  I'm still on the same budget, however...alas.

PE1DNA> Some people here are using Linux with an ISA plug in board
PE1DNA> containing 8530 scc chips. This works nice , using various NOS
PE1DNA> versions or the embedded networking facilities of Linux. The
PE1DNA> networking facilities of Linux is not very well suited to use
PE1DNA> over relatively slow amateur paths, however.

PE1DNA> 8530 boards for the pc: the ottawa PI card, DRSI card, PA0HZP
PE1DNA> OptoPcScc card, and many others. Here is Holland we use mostly
PE1DNA> the PA0HZP card.

Are these either a) home-brewable or b) available at an excellent
price?  If a), where can I find schematae/plans?  If b) where from?

Thanks for the response.

PE1DNA> 73 Joop, pe1dna.

--
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o 700 College Avenue              o linux-phile
o Lamoni, IA  50140               o 73 de KB0PXK


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 27 15:31:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Darryl E. Marsee)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Wiring info for KPC-3 to KLM Multi-2700 wanted
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Greetings.

I have an (old) KLM Multi-2700 2m allmode that I want to use for
packet with a KPC-3.  I checked the Kantronics BBS, but there
wasn't any info about wiring these two together.  I would be most
appreciative if anyone out there has already figured out how to
make these work together and would share the info with me.

Thanks and 73 de KD4UMP,

Darryl Marsee                                    Sun Systems Administrator
[e-mail]                            Computer Science Department
http://erau.db.erau.edu/~marseed      Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
[phone]                                      Daytona Beach, Florida


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (L. M. Rappaport)
Subject: Re: ### tcpip & uucp?
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[e-mail] (Teh Aik Wen) wrote:

>I'm interested in getting started with tcp/ip and am currently installing
>nos. I've got access to a UUCP feed, and would like if I can make anything
>useful out of the feed?

Well, yes, if you want to fiddle around a bit, there is supposed to be
a way to interface NOS to a Waffle board, so you could make Internet
news and email available to other users with the ability to edit
incoming and outgoing traffic.

>Can I run some kind of wormhole, etc - what do i need? Getting an MX record
>on the system who actually supplies me the feed is next to impossible. Can I
>get an MX record somewhere else?

>Is there a machine out there who can supply mx records for hams using the
>ampr domain? Am I making sense, or am I just a confused soul?

If you're looking for domain.txt, you should be able to pick up a copy
from someone in your area.  It is just a text file.

73, Larry


--
Larry Rappaport W1HJF
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:30 1995
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Has anyone used the new Kantronics Plus units to copy CW and if so how
well did it work?  Thanks for ther info! 73

--

William Osborne, AA5ZQ
[e-mail]
505-646-3919




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Donnell - KD7NM)
Subject: Re: 9600 bps modem question
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In article <3slpcf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>I have a simple question about 9600 bps modems:
>
>  A 9600 bps modem is only a low-pass filter to eliminate the higher
>armonics of the square-waves at the output of the HDLC interface prior
to
>direct FM modulation? or It has some other weird electronics?
>
>TNX & 73
>
>EB1DIX
>
>--
>$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>$ Jes·s Arias ([e-mail]) $
>$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

The additional circuitry is not too bizarre - there is a "randomizer"
circuit used in the most commonly available 9600 baud modems, i.e. the
G3RUH, TAPR, K9NG, and the major manufacturers' TNCs also have it.  I
can't point you to an electronic version of the schematic for the
randomizer - perhaps someone else knows where to find it.

73, Bob



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Lapp)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: 9600 bps modem question
Date: 28 Jun 1995 13:50:46 GMT
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Robert Donnell - KD7NM ([e-mail]) wrote:

: The additional circuitry is not too bizarre - there is a "randomizer"
: circuit used in the most commonly available 9600 baud modems, i.e. the
: G3RUH, TAPR, K9NG, and the major manufacturers' TNCs also have it.  I
: can't point you to an electronic version of the schematic for the
: randomizer - perhaps someone else knows where to find it.

Try anon. ftp to ftp.amsat.org in amsat/articles/g3ruh/

This directory contains a number of articles by G3RUH including
the one which describes his 9600 modem. This includes a schematic.

I don't remember the name of the exact file containing this
article but I think there is an index file which describes
the contents of all the files. There are some other interesting
articles too.

Dave Lapp
VE3LHO


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Amiga Packet ??
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In article <3sou9s$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Arnold Pichler) writes:
>I bought a TNC2 some days ago and now would like to start Packet. I know
>some good prog's for PC, but I have an old AMIGA 2000 and do not know what
>to do with that thing, so I thought it would be the perfect packet machine.
>I wonder if there are any good packages for Amiga, and if there are share-
>ware programs to test my TNC with the machine...
>TNX, Arnold [OE6APF]

As you may know, any terminal emulator program, and most telephone
modem programs, will work just fine with the TNC2. I've used ProComm
on DOS machines for years. I don't know of any Amiga programs written
specifically for plain packet, but someone ported KA9Q TCP/IP to the
Amiga some time back. Look at ucsd.edu for the files.

Gary

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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Perkins)
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Subject: APRS 7.0 ftp site?
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Does anyone know an ftp site where I can download APRS 7.0?


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul B. Schou)
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Subject: Re: APRS 7.0 ftp site?
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[e-mail] (Jim Perkins) writes:

> Does anyone know an ftp site where I can download APRS 7.0?

ftp.tapr.org in tapr/SIG/aprssig/uploads

Bob or I put them there asap after he releases them.

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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:34 1995
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From: @   (Jack Snodgrass)
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In <3srj6i$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Perkins) writes:
>Does anyone know an ftp site where I can download APRS 7.0?

ftp.ucsd.edu has aprs7.zip, aprs7a.zip and aprs7b.zip in the
hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming
directory.

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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Keith Sproul)
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In article <3srj6i$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Perkins) wrote:

> Does anyone know an ftp site where I can download APRS 7.0?



APRS and MacAPRS are up at  ftp.tapr.org   in  /tapr/SIGS/uploads
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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Markmann)
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Subject: Re: APRS 7.0 ftp site?
Date: 29 Jun 1995 11:24:04 -0500
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@   (Jack Snodgrass) writes:

>In <3srj6i$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Perkins) writes:
>>Does anyone know an ftp site where I can download APRS 7.0?

>ftp.ucsd.edu has aprs7.zip, aprs7a.zip and aprs7b.zip in the
>hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming
>directory.

New versions of APRS have been on ftp.tapr.org for a long time. The author
of the software (who has just learned how to ftp!) is now uploading upgrades
to this site. So I'd say that this would be the place to find the most
recent version.

Also, there are various maps and other APRS utils. here including the MAC
version of APRS.

Michael
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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gareth Rowlands)
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Subject: Re: AX.25 Protokollaufbau gesucht
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:54:30 GMT
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In article <3sr4ep$[e-mail]>,
          [e-mail] (J÷rg Kutschera) wrote:

> Also im Klartext: Ich suche den Aufbau des AX.25 Protokolls.

An English text can be got by sending a blank message to:

[e-mail]

Cheers,

Gareth.





From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Hirth)
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Subject: BARTG Amtor/Pactor Contest?
Date: 30 Jun 1995 13:17:07 GMT
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Hi, Folks!

Can anyone give me some information about the upcoming BARTG Amtor/Pactor
contest on July 8,9?  The IDRA web pages do not have rules for that contest
listed and I haven't run across them anywhere else?  I've dabbled in a few
RTTY contests and I'd like to try one that doesn't leave out the newer
modes.  Thanks in advance.

73, John

--
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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (cbremmer)
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Subject: Computer interferes with packet radio. Need advice
Date: 29 Jun 1995 16:01:46 GMT
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Hi name here is Chris,

        I run a dumb terminal to a KPC-3 and Icom 2 meter, it sits about
3 feet away from my 486, everything works great with the packet rig
until I boot up the 486 then everything goes haywire, lots of inter-
ference to the radio, so much that I have to turn the squelch up and
that practically renders the packet rig useless.
        Is there something that I can do to help this?

thanks much,
Chris
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shawn Skinner)
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Subject: Re: Computer interferes with packet radio. Need advice
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In article <3suipa$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (cbremmer) wrote:
>=Hi name here is Chris,
>=
>=      I run a dumb terminal to a KPC-3 and Icom 2 meter, it sits
about
>=3 feet away from my 486, everything works great with the packet rig
>=until I boot up the 486 then everything goes haywire, lots of inter-
>=ference to the radio, so much that I have to turn the squelch up and
>=that practically renders the packet rig useless.
>=      Is there something that I can do to help this?
>=
>=thanks much,
>=Chris
>=[e-mail]

1. Buy a shielded RS-232 cable for the dumb terminal (or the 486).
2. Snap-on ferrite chokes for cables (buy at radio shack) go on
   the tnc-radio cable.
3. Ring (aka - torroid) ferrite chokes for radio/tnc power
   cables (ring is better than snap-on as you can wrap the
   power cord several times through them). Also at Rshack.
4. Ground the computer case of both machines.
5. Add internal shielding to the 486 (as needed) and grouse
   at the manufacturer (plastic case??).
6. More extensive addition of filter caps to the tnc or radio.
7. Blame it on the neighbors TV set. 8=)

73 de Shawn, N7XBM.


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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:41 1995
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Subject: Graphic Packet
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I'm after information on the packet radio program Graphic Packet which I
believe is written by a German author.  Can anyone tell me where I can
FTP copy, and also is it possible to drive a KPC-3 TNC with it.
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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:42 1995
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I'm after information on the packet radio program Graphic Packet which I
believe is written by a German author.  Can anyone tell me where I can
FTP copy, and also is it possible to drive a KPC-3 TNC with it.
--
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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:43 1995
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From: Peter Ross <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Graphic Packet
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I'm after information on the packet radio program Graphic Packet which I
believe is written by a German author.  Can anyone tell me where I can
FTP copy, and also is it possible to drive a KPC-3 TNC with it.
--
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|   Peter Ross                                              |
|   [e-mail]                                     |
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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
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Subject: Re: HALLO THERE..????
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Ibrahim Aldaraan ([e-mail]) wrote:

: HALLO THERE.

: I AM A NEW USER OF THE INTERNET. ARE THERE ANY ONE WHO WANTS TO TALK
: WITH ME ABOUT THE FOLLOWING SUBJECTS:

: 1- THE THEORY OF ANTIGRAVITY FORCE.
: 2- THE THEORY OF MAKING MATTER INVSIBALE.
: 3- THE THEORY OF UNIFYING ALL THE UNIVERSAL FORCES.
: 4- UFO.

: THANK YOU ALL.

Wonder why all newbies yell?  :-)

Ibrahim, the use of all caps is considered yelling on the Internet.

73 de Bill, KC7JSD


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:44 1995
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From: "Terrance V. Vlug" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Help with KPC 9612 and Alinco DR 150
Date: 29 Jun 1995 20:45:29 GMT
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Help, I can't seem to get the my tnc to stay connected.
It will connect once in a while, and if I do connect it is hard to send
messages. It will take 10 retries sometimes to get the message through
sometimes. Other times it will never get through....
Can anybody Help?
Does anybody use this same setup or the Alinco DR 150?
If so please reply
Thanks
Ben
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Shannon Miller)
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Subject: How can I Identify a Packet Routing Problem?
Date: 29 Jun 1995 10:51:10 GMT
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I have exchagned a number of packet messages between my home here in
Germany and three hams in the U.S.  For the most part it has been pretty
reliable.  However, in recent months my friends and I have experienced
the following:

   Packet Messages from Stuttgart -> Portland, Oregon:  100% success.
                   from Portland -> Stuttgart:  ~90% success.
                   from Stuttgart -> Las Vegas:  100% success.
                   from Las Vegas -> Stuttgart:  100% success.
                   from Ontario, Oregon -> Portland:  100% success.
                   from Portland -> Ontario:  100% success.
                   from Ontario -> Las Vegas:  100% success.
                   from Las Vegas -> Ontario:  ~90% success.
   but             from Ontario -> Stuttgart:  0% success.
   and             from Stuttgart -> Ontario:  0% success.

In virtually every case that a message was attempted to be sent between
Stuttgart, Germany, and Ontario, Oregon, the message never arrived at
the destination nor was returned to the sender.  Except once, when I
sent a message from Stuttgart to Ontario the message was returned as
undeliverable after about a week.  (Note:  A year or so ago I successfully
exchanged messages between the same source/destination PBBSs in Stuttgart
and Ontario, so something must have changed since then to break things.)

So, there seems to be a routing problem -somewhere- between Germany
and Ontario, Oregon.  Since my messages make it to Las Vegas and Portland
OK, I suspect the problem is also somewhere inside the U.S. -- perhaps
even near the Ontario, Oregon node, though messages between Ontario
and Portland and Las Vegas get through fine.

How can I further troubleshoot the problem and identify -where- the
messages are getting lost?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I'd like to be able to pinpoint the problem and advise the applicable
SYSOPS.

TNX ES 73,

--Shannon, DL6SEU/N7APC
  DL6SEU@DB0ROT.#BW.DEU.EU


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (SteveW7AZF)
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Subject: Re: How can I Identify a Packet Routing Problem?
Date: 30 Jun 1995 10:29:31 -0400
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Contact the SYSOP at the Ontario, OR BBS and talk to him about it.  He
should know how the traffic is routed into and out of his BBS  and should
be able to do whatever is necessary to accomodate you.  73 Steve


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From: [e-mail] (RR ROSS)
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Subject: Re: How do I packet with an HT?
Date: 29 Jun 1995 01:28:41 -0400
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I have used my YAESU FT 470 dual bander HT with good success with my KPC-3
tnc and Lap-top.

I doo agree, however, that a more powerfull mobile rig would be a better
choice for packet.

If you are going to do portable packet from a brief case though (like I
like to do)
then an HT is the only anwser and it works acceptable well thru digis.

73 de N7RBP


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Adam van Gaalen PA2AGA)
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Release Notes - IM/Mac 1.0b28f

Written by Ivo Van Ursel, ON1XK
Copyright 1991-1995, Ivo Van Ursel

IM/Mac is copyrighted freeware software. Copies of IM/Mac may be freely
distributed for non-commercial purposes, provided copies of this Release
Notes file and IM/Mac are included together in unmodified form.
Commercial distribution, including distribution on compilation CD-ROMs,
must be done under license.

- Typing a special address like 'remco%utr.pa3fym@pi8rni,remco' does no
  longer crash IM/Mac.

- Corrected a minor unBinHex problem: when a message contained only a few
  lines of a larger BinHex file, the unBinHex code would try to decode the
  file over a length equal to the sum of the data fork and resource fork of
  the original file. This not only lead to a CRC error but took much more
  time than necessary since non existant lines were decoded. Such a situation
  now gives an 'end of file' error.

- When unBinHex fails no longer a file remains in the invisible 'Temporary
  Items' folder.

- BinHex coded messages over 64k in length did not decode reliably.

- The Outbound Mail window was not updated correctly after a new message was
  sent.

- Added 'open' resource to application and 'kind' resource to preference file.

- 'Fwd: ' is added in front of the subject when a message is forwarded.

- The AppleScript command 'activate' did not bring IM/Mac to the foreground.

- The message size was 10 bytes short after being read.

- Disabled default buttons (usually the 'OK' button) use a blended gray on
  color systems.

- Made it pass through the Think C 7.0.4 compiler (thank you Adam!).

- Added an option to delete a file when sent (this item does not have a
  help balloon yet).

- Removed a longstanding issue in which all processing comes to a halt when
  an IM/Mac notification shows. The notification is removed after 1 minute
  only when a dialog shows.

- Outbound messages are stuffed only once and the temporary file is only
  deleted when all destinations are served.

- Sending binary files to more than one host resulted in a corrupted date
  and time in the second and following outbound message.

- Made it pass through the Think C 8.0 compiler.

- ISO 8859-1 transliteration menu item did not have a help balloon.

- MacsBug installed on a pre-system 7 Macintosh was not detected.

- Under System 6.0.x, desk accessories can be launched in IM/Mac's partition
  by opening them with the option key held down. Doing so did crash IM/Mac
  once in a while with an address error.

- Trying to print (or Page Setup╔) with no printer selected (e.g., a
  fresh system software installation) resulted in a crash.

- StuffIt Classic segments have a filetype of 'SegM'. Those were not in the
  list of filetypes not to compress.

- Changed the color of Stop, Note and Caution icons.

- Very long pathnames confused the edition of the 'bm.rc' file. Such strings
  show with an elipsis character in the middle. Of course that character
  should not be stored in the file like it did before.

- Made it compile with 'MW C/C++ 68K 1.2.2' and corrected flagged errors.
  IM/Mac's soure code is not yet fully compatible with MetroWerks Code-
  Warrior 6 since the BinHex function was implemented in 68k assembler.

- Added 'CNTL' resources for scrollbars and removed embedded code.

Tuesday, June 20, 1995 - 19:43:46 UTC


PS (by PA2AGA)

This version obsoletes all versions of info-mac/comm/radio-im-mac in
the Sumex-Aim.stanford.edu archives.

The new IM/Mac has (hopefully) been uploaded to:

 - oak.oakland.edu, to the directory /pub/hamradio/mac/digital
 - ftp.ucsd.edu, to directory /hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming.
   If it's not there (anymore), then look at /hamradio/packet/tcpip/mac.
 - hamster.business.uwo.ca, to directory /pub/amsoft



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Zastovnik)
Subject: Re: JNOS not receiving - help.
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In article <3sosk8$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Paul J. Piercey (VO1HE)) writes:
>@   (Jack Snodgrass) wrote:
>>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ron Zastovnik) writes:
>>>Running JNOS110j on a 286 and 486 and I cannot get it to receive data from
>>>the tnc.  It seems to transmit my ID Okay, but nothing is received, not even
>>>when I set tracing on.   When I run KA9Q's NOS, everything works okay.  My
>>>autoexec.nos for jnos is about the same as for NOS except that the commands
>>>that JNOS does not use are removed.
>>>
>>>Does anyone have any clues to why JNOS does not receive?  I have gone
>>>through all of my doc's searching for an answer.
>>
>>Make sure that you have
>>param port dtr on
>>param port rts on
>>where port is the name of the port. If you don't set these to on, JNOS
>>will Xmit, but not receive.
>>
>>73's  de  Jack   -  kf5mg
>>Internet / hobby -  [e-mail]              - home [phone]
>>         /  work -  [e-mail]          - work [phone]
>>         /  misc -  [e-mail]                - metro(817) 481-7182
>>PBBSnet          -  kf5mg@kf5mg.#dfw.tx.usa.noam      -      for voice mail
>>+=========================================================================+
>>+     I am Homer of Borg.... prepare to be assim... oooo... Donuts...     +
>>+=========================================================================+
>>
>>
>
>JNOS has a separate trace screen, started by F9. I am not sure if others have it
>but JNOS does. It could be that also.
>
>============================================================================
>Paul J. Piercey
>
>VO1HE
>[44.135.16.3]
>
>Packet Address     VO1HE@VO1AAA.#ENF.NF.CAN.NA
>Internet Address   [e-mail]
>============================================================================

A little more info on my problem:  JNOS _DOES_ do a trace to a file
with the "trace tnc0 111 <filename>" command, but will not trace to
the screen.  I tried the F9, param tnc0 up, and other suggestions
without success.  All other screen writes work fine.

Thanks to all who have been giving me suggestions.

--
----------------------------------------------------------
Ron Zastovnik, Tech Support  ([e-mail])
Cal Stata Univ Psychology Dept., Fresno, CA.  93740-0011
-----------------------------------------------------------


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In article <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
writes:

> Some years ago I recall Phil Karn, KA9Q, making available a TCP/IP
> ....................
> Is anyone aware of where it can be found?  -- or a replacement?
>

Sorry,  I found it!  - Brain Dead today.



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:52 1995
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I'm connecting a TM-733A up to a KAM Plus for use on packet.
The TM-733A has a 6 Pin Mini DIN on the front for packet use.
I have the pinout that is included in the TM-733A manual, however
it is unclear where exactly to connect the PTT (Push To Talk).
Any help would be appreciated.

Dave Baker - AA9OQ



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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
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Subject: Re: Kenwood TM-733A on Packet
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In article <[e-mail]>,
David P. Baker <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm connecting a TM-733A up to a KAM Plus for use on packet.
>The TM-733A has a 6 Pin Mini DIN on the front for packet use.
>I have the pinout that is included in the TM-733A manual, however
>it is unclear where exactly to connect the PTT (Push To Talk).
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
Dave,

There is a Kenwood "Application Note" number AAN-0010 available
from Kenwood on the data connector pinouts of the TM733A.
Darn, I used it for making up cables to connect to my KPC-9612
TNC, but can't find the PTT reference.
Here's the info in the document:

PIN#  PIN NAME  FUNCTION

 1      PKD      PACKET DATA (Input)
                 - Transmit audio data from the TNC to the xcvr

 2      DE       DATA EARTH  -  Ground for TNC transmit audio line

 3      PKS      PACKET STANDBY
                 - The TNC/Data device can use this pin to inhibit
                   the xcvr mic audio input while transmitting
                   packet/data signals

 4      PR9      FM DEMODULATOR OUTPUT
                 - For 9600 BPS operation only
                 - Output audio level: 500 mVp-p @ 10 kohms load.
                 - You must activate the 9600 BPS function on your
                   radio for this pin to become active.  See the
                   instructions in operators manual for details.

 5      PR1      FM DEMODULATOR OUTPUT
                 - For 1200 BPS Packet and RTTY operation
                 - Audio output is taken before the VOL control
                   (Volume control has no effect on output level)
                 - Output audio level: 300 mVp-p @ 10 kohms load.
                 - This is the standard output pin.  No signal will
                   present at this pin if you have activated 9600.

 6      SQC      SQUELCH CONTROL or Relay Output (TM-255/455)
                 - Squelch control
                 - Inhibits TNC data transmit while the xcvr squelch
                   is open.  This prevents interference to voice
                   communications on the same frequency and unwanted
                   retries.
                 - Output level:
                                Squelch open:  +5Vdc (High)
                                Squelch closed: 0Vdc (Low)
                 - Relay Output (TM-255/455)


-John, KE6DTC
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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Charles Spafford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood TM-733A on Packet
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[e-mail] (David P. Baker) wrote:
>
>I'm connecting a TM-733A up to a KAM Plus for use on packet.
>The TM-733A has a 6 Pin Mini DIN on the front for packet use.
>I have the pinout that is included in the TM-733A manual, however
>it is unclear where exactly to connect the PTT (Push To Talk).
>Any help would be appreciated.


Contact [e-mail].  I believe he used to use the TM-733a for packet
and didn't have a problem with it.  He may be able to help.


73, de Chuck - N3LAI



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Hank Oredson)
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Subject: Re: Looking for CLOVER users
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In article <3snfb1$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gene R. Wolford) writes:
|> I picked up a HAL P38 board at Dayton. As they appeared to be selling
|> like hotcakes, there must be a few of you out there. I believe the place
|> to look on 20 is 14064, 065,....14069? Don't know about other bands.
|> I,d like to drum up some activity. Any takers? Any suggestions?
|> Does HAL have a presence on the Internet?
|>
|>
|> Gene
|> KB7WIP
|> Portland, Oregon
|>

Try a link with W0RLI on 14.113.50 or 21.093.50 (dial
reading, lower sideband).  I'm in West Linn, you should
have no problem connecting.

Once you verify that your board is working ok ... look on
even Khz and even half Khz from 14.097 to 14.116, 7.100 to 7.107
you should find plenty of activity.

   ...  Hank

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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:56 1995
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I need DE, SD, and ND for WAS on RTTY.  Please email me if you
can help with a sked.  160 - 10 m.

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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Karl Leite)
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    Hi Fellows,

    Please, I need your help, I own UNIDEN HR-2600, 10m
    transceiver, SSB/FM/AM/CW.  And, I would like to
    modify/extend to CB band.

    So, I hope hear from you soon and FYI, I will pay for
    for xerox copies and shipping charges via airmail to
    my address, below!

    Thank you very much in advance!

    Vy best wushes and 73,


    []'s, Karl Leite, Natal/RN - Brasil
          [e-mail]
          PS7KM@PY1AA.#RJ.BRA.SA
          RBT 12:2840/1

    Mailing Address:

          Caixa Postal 385
          59001-970 NATAL, RN - Brasil

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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
writes:

>  >     Hi Fellows,
>  >
>  >     Please, I need your help, I own UNIDEN HR-2600, 10m
>  >     transceiver, SSB/FM/AM/CW.  And, I would like to
>  >     modify/extend to CB band.

>  >     []'s, Karl Leite, Natal/RN - Brasil

>  Now before all you net.cops flame this guy into oblivion, take a note
>  as to where he's posting from. This isn't a suburb of California under
>  the control of the FCC, so don't even start.

Here's how:

1. Learn DC electronics.
2. Learn AC electronics.
3. Learn semiconductor electronics.
4. Learn soldering.

Now, which of these do you need help with?

--
Steve

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish
and you feed him for life."



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:17:59 1995
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

  >     Hi Fellows,
  >
  >     Please, I need your help, I own UNIDEN HR-2600, 10m
  >     transceiver, SSB/FM/AM/CW.  And, I would like to
  >     modify/extend to CB band.

  >     []'s, Karl Leite, Natal/RN - Brasil

  Now before all you net.cops flame this guy into oblivion, take a note
  as to where he's posting from. This isn't a suburb of California under
  the control of the FCC, so don't even start.


--
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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:00 1995
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From: Jeff Goebel <[e-mail]>
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Subject: nos gatewaying
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Is there a way to configure NOS to allow gatewaying between ports
using different protocols?  I haven't been able to do telnet to another
port while connected via ax25 or vice versa.  It does work to gateway
using ax25 while connected via ax25 or telnet while connected via telnet.

Thanks.\

Jeff Goebel <N0VHB>


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:00 1995
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Subject: Re: NOS VERSION
Date: 26 Jun 1995 02:35:04 GMT
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>   Pete Ryza <[e-mail]> writes:
>  I have a AT&T 6300 PC what version of nos would I use?
>  Pete
>
>
>
>>>>
If I recall correctl, the 6300 is an 8086 based machine. You should be able to run any of the
NOS flavors as long as it is compiled for the 8086. I know the JNOS distribution has this option in
the makefile.
  Hope this helps - Jerry - N1SJQ




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:01 1995
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Thanks Larry will let you know what happens.
Pete wb9qwu




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Nielsen)
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Subject: Re: NOS VERSION
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In article <3sl6co$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

>>   Pete Ryza <[e-mail]> writes:
>>  I have a AT&T 6300 PC what version of nos would I use?
>>  Pete
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>
>If I recall correctl, the 6300 is an 8086 based machine. You should be able to
>run any of the
>NOS flavors as long as it is compiled for the 8086. I know the JNOS distribution
>has this option in
>the makefile.
>  Hope this helps - Jerry - N1SJQ

Not necessarily true (try it on a Compaq DeskPro and you'll see what I mean).


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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:02 1995
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Thanks Larry will let you know what happens.
Pete wb9qwu




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (RR ROSS)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Packet Gateway to the Internet
Date: 29 Jun 1995 01:35:22 -0400
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There is a packet program called APRS that not only alloows contact on vhf
and HF but also tracks the person in question ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

You can always see his EXACT reported position on your map on your
computer screen.

GPS recievers are typically used for the position reporting but they are
not nessary if the person knows his current lat and lon position at
reporting time.

If you would like to know more about this program, let me know and I will
forward more detailed info.

This program has also been featured in many recent issues of CQ, 73, and
QST
magizines.

73   de   N7RBP


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Packet Radio FAQ
Date: 29 Jun 1995 17:39:49 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

: Hello.  I am looking for the latest copy of the Digital Frequently Asked
: Questions material.  I have an old Digital FAQ dated Jan 1994.  Can

Kevin,

If you get a more recent one, could you let me know where it might be found?
I'd also be interested in getting a copy.

73 de Bill B., KC7JSD


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Butch Magee)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Packet TNC
Date: 28 Jun 1995 15:00:50 GMT
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In article <3spgjh$[e-mail]>, Terry VanderHoff <[e-mail]> says:
>
>I am looking for a Packet TNC or Modem.   CHEAP!!!
>
I have a PKK232-MBX 1 amp.power adapter, cables and manual. 250.00

Butch KF5DE


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Gregg)
Subject: Re: Paket6.1 and KAM Plus problem!
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In article <3spj5e$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David Bashaw) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (David Bashaw)
>Subject: Paket6.1 and KAM Plus problem!
>Date: 27 Jun 1995 18:37:34 GMT

>I have tried everything I can think of to get Paket 6.1 configured
>so it will properly decode the stream switchs. It just refuses to
>do the stream switching. All data, HF or VHF gets plastered into
>one big mess on a single window.

Paket is NOT dual port aware, so no matter what you do, the HF and VHF stuff
will be together.  The only time it will switch streams is when you actually
have connects on different streams.  Be sure you have hardware flow control
using a full 232 cable.  If you are using software flow control Paket can miss
the connect messages it looks for to tell when a connect occurs.  With
hardware flow control, the software looks for the state of the CD line to tell
when a connect happens, and the CD state is a whole lot more reliable than
watching for the ***Connnected to XXXX message.


>I'd like to use this program
>since its much better than the awful Hostmaster-II, but I can't see
>spending the mony on registering it if it aint gonna work!

>Paket's manual gives the allusion it should work but no hard facts
>I can find. Does anyone have this same problem? If you have an answer
>please share. I don't want to register for the support and then be
>told to rtfm.

>73    Dave
>WA6QWL

Try XPKAM with your KAM.  It is an actual host mode dual port program written
for the KAM.  You can ftp it from ftp.indirect.com and try it out.  I've used
Gary's programs a few times and they look pretty darn good.  You can even send
email to Gary, the author, when you have questions.

Joe



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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Smith)
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Subject: RAT SHACK:  440 HT on 9600 BD Packet????
Date: 29 Jun 1995 19:03:44 GMT
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As the subject says. Is there a mod to allow this radio to be
used for 9600bd packet?  Might be a good alternative to a TEKK or
other xtal controlled rigs.

--
Bob Smith, Atlanta, GA
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
TAPR 5412  ARRL  AARL



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:07 1995
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In article <3sphde$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Lee Jones) says:
>
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Tse-Sung Wu  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Spam somewhere else, dude.
>
>Folks - re-posting to a spam does nothing but lengthen its life.  You
>want to do something about the spammers (and I'm all for that), contact
>[e-mail].   The big online services (aol, prodigy) seem to
>produce the most spams (probably because they have the most users, and
>many of those are fairly clueless :-).  The good side of that is that
>those big online services also respond very quickly to spamming problems
>originating inside their walls.
>
>The current one we're dealing with did *not* originate there - it came
>from a site called "ixc.net", which means nothing to me, but I'm going to
>send an e-mail to the [e-mail], just in case.
>
>Regards, Lee
>--
>Lee Jones     | "Jesus just left Chicago, and he's bound for New Orleans."
>[e-mail]  |            -Z.Z. Top
>415-390-3356  |

My provider (and many others) just ignores letters like that a lot of the time,
as it's a waste of the providers time, except for the big, stupid fellows
like AOL or prodigy, who like having "Family net access" which is
a bunch of bull.

-Dr. Grant


























From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:08 1995
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>>Folks - re-posting to a spam does nothing but lengthen its life.  You
>>want to do something about the spammers (and I'm all for that), contact
>>[e-mail].

>My provider (and many others) just ignores letters like that a lot of the time,
>as it's a waste of the providers time, except for the big, stupid fellows
>like AOL or prodigy, who like having "Family net access" which is
>a bunch of bull.

Ever consider that an e-mail message to the spammer from EVERYONE bugged
by it would FLOOD their e-mailbox?... and no one else has to be subjected to
it either...  I have gotten fairly good response to [e-mail]
messages but I approach them very politely as they are easily offended as if
you might be blaming them.


Jim Higgins
[e-mail]
icbm: 33.55.54N, 80.28.13W


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
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Subject: sat in vhf ? how ?
Date: 29 Jun 1995 13:41:56 GMT
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73 to everybody from f1tyn
i'm a new ham and i've just bought a multimode vhf tx, linear of 100w
and a 2x11 element antenna
is a good configuration to traffic via sat ?
i use too a ft890sat in rx (hf tx/rx) i think that a can make traffic
via sat in 145.900 uplink 29... dowlink
what sat must i use ?

who could help me
good trafic and me be via sat ?



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (NW2L)
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Subject: Re: sat in vhf ? how ?
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Hi -

It sounds like you have an excellent setup for what satellite operators
call "mode A," 2 meters up and 10 meters down.  The only satellite active
on Mode A right now is RS-10/11.  You'll find quite a bit of activity
there.  You should get a tracking program for your computer so you can
know when the "bird" will be visible from your location.  If you don't
have an "az/el" (azimuth & elevation) rotor that can go up and down as
well as around, then you should look for passes that are relatively low to
your horizon.

You'll find a complete introduction to operating amateur satellites on the
CQ video, "Getting Started in Amateur Satellites," which is available in
PAL (European) as well as NTSC (North American) video format.  If you'd
like information about this video, any other CQ products or ordering from
CQ online, please send me an e-mail message and I'll give you the info
you'd like.

73,
Rich Moseson, NW2L
CQ Online
<[e-mail]>

CQ Communications, Inc. - Publishers of: CQ-The Radio
Amateur's Journal, Popular Communications, Communications
Quarterly, MicroComputer Journal, Electronic Servicing and
Technology, CQ Guides, Pop' Comm Guides, CQ Books and
Videos.


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Source of 10Mhz Zilog Parts
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] (Bob Merritt) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dave. Zeph) writes:
>>From: [e-mail] (Dave. Zeph)
>>Subject: Source of 10Mhz Zilog Parts
>>Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:57:04 GMT

>>I'd like to order the parts needed to upgrade a number of TNC-2
>>to operate at 9.8Mhz.  I know a 10Mhz parts kit is available;
>>however I'd like to try to reduce the overall project costs by
>>purchasing the parts myself.

>>Thanks and 73 ---> Dave Zeph  ([e-mail])

>Dave... I thought the same as you a couple of years back...
>It was far easier to just order the kits from PacComm $25/kit
>than to source the parts separately and pay extra shipping,
>etc...  Just my 2cents worth ... :)

>73/Bob KA4BYP
>-------
>"Wide World of Packet Radio" http://www.mindspring.com/~bobm/

As far as Z80 parts go, you might want to post your request
on comp.os.cpm -  They are big Z80 fans and can probably point you
to good sources.

--
Mike Morris   WA6ILQ          | All opinions must be my own since nobody
PO Box 1130                   | pays me enough to be their mouthpiece...
Arcadia, CA. 91077            |
ICBM: 34.07.930N, 118.03.799W | Reply to: [e-mail]


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From: Roland Meeuwsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: SSTV on Apple Macintosh
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Since a long time i am looking for an application to operate SlowScan
Television with my Apple Macintosh computer.
Who can help me to find such an application? Any information welcomed.

Roland Meeuwsen  /  pa3fro
please mail your reactions to ;  meeuwsen@ipw,nl




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:12 1995
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Since a long time i am looking for an application to operate SlowScan
Television with my Apple Macintosh computer.
Who can help me to find such an application? Any information welcomed.

Roland Meeuwsen  /  pa3fro
please mail your reactions to ;  meeuwsen@ipw,nl




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:12 1995
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Since a long time i am looking for an application to operate SlowScan
Television with my Apple Macintosh computer.
Who can help me to find such an application? Any information welcomed.

Roland Meeuwsen  /  pa3fro
please mail your reactions to ;  meeuwsen@ipw,nl




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:13 1995
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Since a long time i am looking for an application to operate SlowScan
Television with my Apple Macintosh computer.
Who can help me to find such an application? Any information welcomed.

Roland Meeuwsen  /  pa3fro
please mail your reactions to ;  meeuwsen@ipw,nl




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:14 1995
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Since a long time i am looking for an application to operate SlowScan
Television with my Apple Macintosh computer.
Who can help me to find such an application? Any information welcomed.

Roland Meeuwsen  /  pa3fro
please mail your reactions to ;  meeuwsen@ipw,nl




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:15 1995
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Since a long time i am looking for an application to operate SlowScan
Television with my Apple Macintosh computer.
Who can help me to find such an application? Any information welcomed.

Roland Meeuwsen  /  pa3fro
please mail your reactions to ;  meeuwsen@ipw,nl




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Donaldson)
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   It seems messages like this one are getting recycled over and over.
I just look at this same messaged 5 times in a row.

John A. Donaldson

--
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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Keith Sproul)
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In article <[e-mail]>, Roland Meeuwsen <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Since a long time i am looking for an application to operate SlowScan
> Television with my Apple Macintosh computer.
> Who can help me to find such an application? Any information welcomed.
>
> Roland Meeuwsen  /  pa3fro
> please mail your reactions to ;  meeuwsen@ipw,nl

We are working on a slow-scan Macintosh program. However, I do not expect
to have it out until around the end of the year, or maybe by Dayton 1996.

My brother, KB2ICI, did the basics a few years ago, but we never got
around to getting all the extras put into it.. Now we are working on it
again, however, it will take awhile to get it finished..
--
Keith Sproul                             Ham Radio: WU2Z
Student Housing Network Coordinator      [e-mail]
Rutgers University Computing Services    908 445-3695 Work
http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul/      908 821-4828 Home


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Donnell - KD7NM)
Subject: Re: TAPR DCD mod. and PK232MBX.
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In article <3slcsb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>My friend KI7MH has a PK232MBX and has ordered the state machine DCD
mod.
>from TAPR.  When he called to verify that they received his order the
>phone person surprised him.  She told him that he needed the  PK232MBX
>installation kit.  We don't read the  descriptions that way.
>
>Also what is the difference between the PK232 and  the PK232MBX?
>
>respond to either:
>
>[e-mail]
>or ki7mh @ kd7bn.wy.usa.noam
>

While it's not required to have the "PK-232 Modem Disconnect Header Kit"
to install the DCD kit in the PK-232 (or MBX), as an owner of both (and a
TAPR 9600 baud modem kit) I'd recommend getting the Modem Disconnect kit
along with the DCD kit.

Why, you ask?

The Modem Disconnect Header Kit is a 'plug-in' board that goes in a
PK-232 (or MBX).  One of the features of the board is that it has a row
of through-holes that exactly match the row on the DCD kit.  So you can
either use a ribbon cable or do as I did.

What I did was to cut a 16-pin wire-wrap chip socket down the middle
length-wise.  This gives you two 8-pin sockets with long, solid leads.
Install one on the modem disconnect board, and cut off the excess pin
material.  Install the other half of the socket on the DCD board.  DO NOT
cut the pins (unless you need them a bit shorter).  The DCD board will
now plug into the modem disconnect board.  The modem disconnect board
plugs into the Z8530 socket (U6) and the Z8530 chip plugs into the modem
disconnect board.  The only wires you need are if you decide to implement
the DCD LED connections for the DCD board's LED output.  The rest just
plugs together (and unplugs if you have to troubleshoot, etc.).  I also
used a pin header for the LED wiring and mounted the new DCD LED to one
side of the bar graph, so it can be seen through the window.  This
allowed me to keep my "original" PK-232 (serial #10) looking like
original - no extra holes, etc.

Another potential benifit - if you decide to add the TAPR 9600 baud modem
in the future, you'll already have the modem disconnect header kit in
place.

Also, the wiring kit offered for the 9600 baud modem does not fit an
early-design PK-232 board.  If your PK-232MBX was not built with a
battery disconnect jumper accessable through the >bottom< of the case,
then your main board is of the original design, and the wiring kit won't
mate up right.

How do I know all this?  Well, I did customer service for AEA for over 4
years...  And I'm the original owner of PK-232 #10 - so I've had one for
almost 9 years.

Hope that helps, and 73

Bob



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Eddy J. Gurney)
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Subject: Using a TNC to decode MDT traffic?
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I have heard rumors that the Modible Data Terminals (MDTs) being used
more and more by police departments (for dispatching, records checking,
etc.) can be decoded using a TNC.  Does anyone have more information on
this?  Does anyone have any specifics on the format of the MDT data
stream?  Is it even similar to amateur packet stuff (protocol and bit
rate wise)?  Packet would seem like a good candidate, since you have lots
of individual receivers and lots of individual transmitters all sharing
a frequency (or probably two, in the MDT case) wanting access and dealing
with data drop-outs, etc...

I'd love to hear from anybody who may have information on the technical
side of MDTs!

Thanks and regards,
Eddy

--
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      and those who did and never thought."     John Charles Salak


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
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Subject: Re: What is the least expensive way of getting Linux up on packet?
Date: 29 Jun 1995 17:36:39 GMT
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: > David Negaard (Oberon-) ([e-mail]) wrote:

: >> I'm on a _tight_ budget.  I'd like to get on packet using something
: >> in the same price-range as a baycom (a baycom would be _fine_).

: >> Is there a Linux program that does what the Baycom software does,
: >> allowing me to just use a modem (and radio, of course)?  I'll be
: >> using my RS HT, so 1200 bps is all I need for now.  Is there a
: >> home-brewable modem that will serve my purposes?

: >> Or, is there another inexpensive alternative?

: >> Any and all help appreciated!

One other thing you might consider is the use of an old modem, such as
a Smartmodem 1200 or other old telephone modem that will run at 1200.  I've
seem some postings on using these, and may have a copy in a file somewhere
if you're interested.  From my quick scan, nothing really has to be done
to make them work.  The only possible problem seems to be that most of
these old modems are powered from a wall adapter, but it _might_ be
possible to convert to battery power.

73 de Bill B., KC7JSD


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Stratton)
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Subject: Re: What is the least expensive way of getting Linux up on packet?
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In article <3suob7$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill Blohm) writes:
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>From: [e-mail] (Bill Blohm)
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>: > David Negaard (Oberon-) ([e-mail]) wrote:

>: >> I'm on a _tight_ budget.  I'd like to get on packet using something
>: >> in the same price-range as a baycom (a baycom would be _fine_).

>: >> Is there a Linux program that does what the Baycom software does,
>: >> allowing me to just use a modem (and radio, of course)?  I'll be
>: >> using my RS HT, so 1200 bps is all I need for now.  Is there a
>: >> home-brewable modem that will serve my purposes?

>: >> Or, is there another inexpensive alternative?

>: >> Any and all help appreciated!

>One other thing you might consider is the use of an old modem, such as
>a Smartmodem 1200 or other old telephone modem that will run at 1200.  I've
>seem some postings on using these, and may have a copy in a file somewhere
>if you're interested.  From my quick scan, nothing really has to be done
>to make them work.  The only possible problem seems to be that most of
>these old modems are powered from a wall adapter, but it _might_ be
>possible to convert to battery power.

>73 de Bill B., KC7JSD

NOPE! this won't work.  Telephone type 1200 baud modems use a
completely different (and more complicated) modulation scheme
because of the more limited bandwidth.  The modems used for 1200b
vhf packet are actually of an earlier design, originally intended
for 1200b over LEASED phone lines with higher bandwidth.  The ARRL
handbook explains the difference, as does the smartmodem 1200 manual
which talks about using the modem for amateur radio application, but
at 300 baud.

You -might- be able to find one of the right kind of 1200b modem
somewhere, but there can't be many of them left.

Chris, N1IIR
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 30 17:18:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Mulvey)
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Subject: Re: Wiring info for KPC-3 to HTX-202 wanted
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Thomas Randall ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Robert Edward ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : I just obtained an HTX-202, and want to use it on packet with my KPC-3.
: : My KPC-3 manuals show wiring diagrams for Kenwood, ICOM, and Yaesu HT's,
: : but not the Realistic.

: : Do the 202's connections match those for one of the listed radios, or is
: : there a different wiring scheme?

:    Bobby,
:      Use the Icom 2AT diagram.

... but be warned that you'll probably need to use a lower value resistor
to get it to key correctly.  I had to use 1.5K, I believe.

- Rich