In article <CJG1wx.2FE@cuug.ab.ca> rpjday@cuug.ab.ca (R. Day) writes:
>This is a totally nonsensical claim as there is a world of difference
>between Wicca and Satanism. Anyone making this kind of claim has only
>proven how thorougly ignorant and gullible they really are.
Not that I disagree at all with the above, but it amazes me how it
is considered possible for someone who does not believe in any
incarnation of ultimate evil to be a satanist.
I guess it's all part of "never suffer a thinker to live".
Oh, that's not what they said, is it? Just what they seem to mean.
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> It doesn't help that by default the three sample users created by
> the install program just happened to be named "Satan, Gonzo,
> Snake-Pit".
>
>That's the problem right there. Anything that mentions Satan is
>evil.
Grin.. most preachers and religious books mention him a lot. Guess that
says it all [And Russ has done the same just now]
Alan
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In article <CJDy3F.7AC@world.std.com>
entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard) writes:
Just as many have claimed that christians are ignorant and intolerant
of other religions...some dope posts this crap:
>
> The SBC (southern baptist convention) version, certified free of
> code written by sinners. Note incorrect answers to any initial
Christian != free of sin. The central core of christianity is that all
people are 'sinners' and only(sorta) through Christ can your sins be
forgiven and entrance into ever-lasting life attained. I say (sorta)
because judaism allows (or did in the old testament) blood
sacrifices--which christ's crucifixion now represents.
> questions will result in your modem dialing a central sinner
> tracking system for remedial "therapy".
>
> Here is the installation screen:
>
> SBC 2.3.5
>
> Do you believe in the divinity of Christ? y
> Do you listen to heavy metal? n
> Have you ever consumed any mind altering substance (wine doesn't count)? n
Not all christian denimonations have wine as part of the
ceromony(specifically southern baptist, the aforementioned denomination
of evil stupid christians).
> Have you ever had sex before marriage? n
> Have you ever lusted after members of the same sex? n
> Do you believe that sex on TV is worse than violence on TV? y
Well--on that note, it's not that hard to make an interesting story
without sex, but cut violence and you have barney--who is undeniably a
minion of satan. ;)
> Can condoms help prevent the spread of HIV? n
> Can condoms be used to prevent pregnancy? n
Whether or not condoms do or don't prevent HIV/pregnancy has nothing to
do with _conservative_ thinking on distribution of condoms in schools.
The primary concern in that argument is whether distribution==tacit
consent for sex in minors.
> Do you plan to use any programs that run backwards? n
> Would you like your modem configured to call the SBC bbs? y
> Would you like your drive scanned for unholy files before installation? y
> Scanning......
> Deleting cindy+mike+bob.gif
> Deleting communist-manifesto.txt
(beautiful idea, that manifesto. Human nature prevents its fruition,
IMHO)
> Deleting origin-of-the-species.ps
> Deleting aclu-newsletter43.txt
>
> Drive purified, press enter to continue:
>
> b
I understand that the post to which I replied was mostly in jest. But
I must protest the general emphasis of this thread (religious people
are sub-moronic haters of all things that are right). I personally
don't agree with wiccan==evil being, and that SLACKWARE should be
deleted based on it being produced by a wiccan(whether he is not).
But, IMHO, if somebody wants to remove a product with which they have a
problem with the producter of that products ideas or beliefs, they have
every right.
Russ.
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de5@de5.ctd.ornl.gov (Dave Sill) writes:
> In article <1994Jan10.060701.25451@unlv.edu>, ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
> >
> >char foobar[5]
> >foobar[4]='n'
> >foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
> >foobar[0]='S'
> >foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
> >
> >The array now contains the word 'Satan'. Think strings on the binary
> >would find it? NOT!
> Yep. That's a convoluted way to create the string "Satan", but you're
> still putting the letters S, a, t, a, and n in consecutive locations, and
> strings will find it. Strings (or grep -i satan) on the *source* would
> fail, of course.
I hate to continue this almost-serious trend in what has otherwise
been an entirely ludicrous and irrelevant thread, but...
Frank may yet be right. You're loading those values into the array at
run-time, not compile time, so the instructions will be stored as a
sequence of memory and register accesses, not just a contiguous chunk
of data. If you could call strings on the running program's memory
segment after those lines of code had been executed, then the word
'satan' would probably be there, but unless the compiler does some
clever optimisation (which is altogether possible) you still won't
find the word in the binary.
An interesting point does arise though. I quickly tried a few tests of
this theory, by writing the relevant C and some equivalent Pascal (I
don't trust my C - I barely know the language). Whilst neither
delivered 'Satan' in the binary (even gcc -O2) the SunOS Pascal
compiler - I kid you not - came up with `atan.S' once and the word
`sin' many times. This, for me, is conclusive proof that Sun
Microsystems is a company founded on the unholy triptych of devil
worship, virgin-sacrifice, and proprietry operating systems.
I asked a reformed satanist for his views on this matter. He looked at
what I had found, shook his head gravely, and said the word
`trigonometry' before walking away. I presume that `trigonometry' is
some form of black art performed by satanists, and that Sun are
subliminally trying to make us more receptive to the idea.
Somebody in authority should be told.
John Waterson
watersoj@dcs.gla.ac.uk
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: >I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
: >claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
This is a totally nonsensical claim as there is a world of difference
between Wicca and Satanism. Anyone making this kind of claim has only
proven how thorougly ignorant and gullible they really are.
R. Day
Vice-chair, Alberta Skeptics
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: > I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
: > claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
: > He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
: > the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
: > this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
: > this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
: > 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
: > machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
Ouch.
Good luck in the psychiatrics.
Ciao,
hm
: > All replies will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Here you go.
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ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>>ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>>>
>>> However, strings will NOT catch every act of chicanery.
>
>Strings on the binary would'nt find it. Strings on /proc/pid/mem probably
>would (?) or /dev/{k}mem, /dev/swap or wherever the address space is
>accessible.
I just did a "grep -i SATAN /dev/mem", and came up with 105 hits!
The more I repeat the command, the more occurences it finds!!!
My Linux system must be possessed!!!!!!!
P.S. This entire thread belongs in alt.computers.religion, not
comp.os.linux.misc. Followups redirected.
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: In article <1994Jan10.060701.25451@unlv.edu>, ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
: >char foobar[5]
: >foobar[4]='n'
: >foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
: >foobar[0]='S'
: >foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
: >
: >The array now contains the word 'Satan'. Think strings on the binary
: >would find it? NOT!
: Yep. That's a convoluted way to create the string "Satan", but you're
: still putting the letters S, a, t, a, and n in consecutive locations, and
: strings will find it. Strings (or grep -i satan) on the *source* would
: fail, of course.
..I edited a bit to shorten the text. Sorry, if I changed the meaning..
I tend to not agree with your assertion. String will not be able to find
what you expect. The Array is initialized at runtime. If you would check
the in-memory data segment at runtime after the code initialized the array,
then you would be able to find the offending string.
This thread is better the the comedy hour on cable :-)
Remco
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: : think Wiccans are Satanists either...someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
: You're right !
That was totally uncalled for !-)
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I can't believe this! I just can't. I've been away from the Linux
discussion for 6 months and I come back to find this?!
An almost exact repeat of what happened with Doom in pc.action.
Ok - the games up. Yes, the Unix community is really made up of
devil worshipers. No question about it - look at all those daemons
running amok on these systems! Sheesh.
Well, I have one question :- If having Satan written or stored in any
way means or form is a cause for concern, perhaps these Xtian's who
get so upperty about it would like to have a lobotomy? After all, they
must have the word and idea stored in their brains.
Get a life people.
And, yes, this is off topic (just like the other dozen or so messages
on this thread).
-cameron.
(a happy atheist who doesn't get upset over mere words or ideas).
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In article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu
(Garry Lester Freemyer) writes:
>I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
>claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
>He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
>the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
>this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
>this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
>1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
>machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
Allow me to enumerate my comments.
1. Anything called 'Slackware' is more likely to have been put together
by Subgenii than anyone else. A typical Subgenius is a little eccentric
but largely harmless.
2. Wiccans are not Satanists. They're probably closer to Druids than
anyone else.
3. Your friend and everyone like him should realize their imaginations are
getting the better of them.
4. Prodigy is much closer to Evil Incarnate than Slackware likely is.
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In article <9401215.3411@mulga.cs.mu.oz.au>,
Fergus Henderson <fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU> wrote:
>ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>
>>>ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>>>>
>>>> However, strings will NOT catch every act of chicanery.
>>
>>Strings on the binary would'nt find it. Strings on /proc/pid/mem probably
>>would (?) or /dev/{k}mem, /dev/swap or wherever the address space is
>>accessible.
>
>I just did a "grep -i SATAN /dev/mem", and came up with 105 hits!
>The more I repeat the command, the more occurences it finds!!!
>My Linux system must be possessed!!!!!!!
But explain this:
grep -c "Bow down to his majesty Satan Prince of the underworld." /dev/mem
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