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Date: 07-17-89 (12:06) Number: 1
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: CHRIS GASKINS Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: Welcome Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Welcome to the Networking Conference which has been made available for
DOS and OS/2 Networking topics. Enjoy!!!
Chris Gaskins
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IBM PC User Group Support BBS
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11 - Other Node Activity │ OPEN - Open a DOOR
A - Abandon Conference │ O - Operator Page
B - Bulletins │ P - Page Length Set
C - Comment to Sysop │ Q - Quick Message Scan
D - Download a File │ R - Read Messages
E - Enter a Message │ R S - Read Since Last On
F - File Directories │ REPLY - Reply to Message
G - Goodbye │ RM - Read Memorized Mail
H - Help! │ S - Script Questionaire
I - Initial Welcome │ T - Transfer Protocol
J - Join a Conference │ TS - Text Search Headers
K - Kill a Message │ V - View User Settings
L - Locate Files │ W - Write User Data
M - Graphics Mode │ X - Menu On/Off Toggle
N - New files │ Y - Your Mail Check
NEWS - Redisplay News │ Z - Zippy DIR Scan
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Date: 07-17-89 (12:06) Number: 1
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: CHRIS GASKINS Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: Welcome Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Welcome to the Networking Conference which has been made available for
DOS and OS/2 Networking topics. Enjoy!!!
Chris Gaskins
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Date: 07-17-89 (22:37) Number: 2
To: CHRIS GASKINS Refer#: 1
From: DANIEL-TOULAN P0027NY Read: 07-20-89 (12:22)
Subj: Welcome Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I'm glad to see this Confs added to the System. I'm sure I'll use the
info here to help me setup our network as soon as we can get our area
wired for t/r.
──══ Daniel Toulan ∙ Fishkill, New York ══──
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Date: 07-18-89 (04:16) Number: 3
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: TOM-NEUKAM P1041KY Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: 2 STATION TOKEN RING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I know that the official way to connect a two station token ring network
is with a MAU, but is it possible to connect the two PCs directly. A
fellow I know says he has an "old" manual circa 1985 that actually shows
such a setup in one of the illustrations. Of course when he tries to
connect them with a straight through cable he gets an 807 error, so
obviously it doesn't work that way.
As things stand now, he can buy a $810 MAU, go broadband or baseband
instead, or try some kind of third party MAU that costs a bit less than
the IBM model. Several other people we know "seem to recall" that token
ring cards can be wired directly, but it almost seems a myth, as no one
can find any info on it, or recall exactly what needs to be done.
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Date: 07-18-89 (10:02) Number: 7
To: TOM-NEUKAM P1041KY Refer#: 3
From: CHRIS GASKINS Read: 07-19-89 (03:04)
Subj: 2 STATION TOKEN RING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Tom,
>I know that the official way to connect a two station token ring networ
>is with a MAU, but is it possible to connect the two PCs directly.
I am not a networking expert, but I did check with one of our
Networking guys here and with a Token-Ring Network, you must
have a Multi-Station Access Unit to connect the nodes. If you
have only 2 nodes and don't want to invest the money for the
MAU, then baseband would probably be the best way to go, since
you can just daisy-chain the systems together.
Good luck with your network!
Chris Gaskins - IBM Co-SysOp
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Date: 07-18-89 (10:43) Number: 8
To: CHRIS GASKINS Refer#: 7
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 07-20-89 (12:22)
Subj: 2 STATION TOKEN RING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Chris: Not to mention the lower cost of the Baseband adapters vs the
Token Ring cards. If you are only going a few feet, and only have two
nodes, it seems like TR is gross overkill. Of course if the network
will eventually grow to dozens of nodes spread all over creation, the
perhaps TR is justified for growth potential. Mark.
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Date: 07-18-89 (19:17) Number: 10
To: CHRIS GASKINS Refer#: 6
From: DANIEL-TOULAN P0027NY Read: 07-20-89 (12:22)
Subj: BBS Network Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
>would make a perfect server for the BBS. Oh, BTW, did you see the msgs
>about the BBS software that runs under OS/2? Sounds interesting!!
No I didn't.... but the reason I was also going with IBM, and the Model
70-311 was to move the BBS over to an OS/2 System. I would be able to
run multiple nodes on one System. Can you give me more info on the BBS
software under OS/2. Also... I've been keeping my fingers cross... that
the reason Fred Clark is porting PCB to "C", was that his plans are to
come out with an OS/2 Version of PCBoard.
──══ Daniel Toulan ∙ Fishkill, New York ══──
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Date: 07-18-89 (19:21) Number: 11
To: MIKE AUSTIN Refer#: NONE
From: DANIEL-TOULAN P0027NY Read: 07-18-89 (21:39)
Subj: Welcome Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
>Theres nothing wrong with using a PS/2 as a server and inter-mixing PC'
>with PS/2's. We are doing that now and it works great!
Yes... I know that.... But there are several problems that we are having
running the 9600 on an XT with the 8250 Serial Chip. Also the
performance is just two slow on the XT. And we need to buy mem for a
VDISK. So I rather get 386 mem, so we don't have to go out and get it
when wecan get a PS/2.
We are also looking into putting a 286 or 386 Board in the XT, or get an
Intel 386 Card. My own opinio is that I rather stay with a standard h/w
config, so if I have problem with s/w or h/w, problem determination is
easier. Like when something runs GREAT on a XT at work, but when we put
it on the XT for the BBS we can't get it to run right, due to speedup
boards, etc...
──══ Daniel Toulan ∙ Fishkill, New York ══──
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Date: 07-19-89 (18:29) Number: 17
To: CHRIS GASKINS Refer#: NONE
From: DANIEL-TOULAN P0027NY Read: 07-20-89 (12:22)
Subj: BBS Network Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
> 3 nodes on one machine, (maybe more if have a multi-port card)
> BBS is in alpha test stage.
Welll... 3 nodes is all I need or want on the BBS at this time. And I
think with the ARTIC card out today... you could hook up 8 modems on one
card. What I'm not sure of is how many OS/2 will support, and also the
BBS Software.
──══ Daniel Toulan ∙ Fishkill, New York ══──
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Date: 07-21-89 (15:21) Number: 21
To: MARK CHAPMAN Refer#: NONE
From: DANIEL-TOULAN P0027NY Read: 02-01-90 (18:04)
Subj: BBS Network Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
>Daniel: I don't know about the BBS software, but the ARTIC card can
>support 8 serial ports, and the ARTIC Support for OS/2 V1.02 package ca
>support at least that many (you can put up to 4 ARTIC cards in a 60/80;
>but I don't know if the software allows you to use all of them under
>OS/2. I haven't seen a copy of the package). Mark.
Thanks for the info... I knew that OS/2 supported 8 port, I was
wondering if it would support 32 ports for the total of 4 cards in a
Model 60/80.
Boy... wouldn't that be something... One PS/2 Model 80 running a 32 node
BBS System. Mike could add 18 more nodes here and it would only cost him
the price of the modems. That would free up 13 PS/2's for others to use.
Maybe I could get one of them for pur BBS :-)
──══ Daniel Toulan ∙ Fishkill, New York ══──
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Date: 07-21-89 (16:34) Number: 24
To: DANIEL-TOULAN P0027NY Refer#: 23
From: CHRIS GASKINS Read: 07-22-89 (19:29)
Subj: BBS.... NODE 15 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
>I see you just added NODE 15... Maybe you should add a BLT about the h/
>& s/w config of the BBS. I think it would be interesting.
Thats not a bad idea. I will check it out with my Boss. (Mike what do
you thing about that??)
Chris G
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Date: 07-26-89 (10:05) Number: 29
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: ED FISHER Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: Token Ring with IBM WorkS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Help!
We just installed an IBM Token Ring Lan with 6 work stations (4 PS2/60s
and 2 PS2/80s) and one dedicated server (PS2/80). The server is running
OS2 1.1. Five of the work stations are running DOS 3.3, IBM Local Area
Network Support Program 1.1, IBM PC Local Area Network Program 1.3.
Currently each work station has its own connection to our mainframes.
The version of the IBM Work Station Program that was used is 1.1.1.
The Work Station Program will not operate with the Token Ring device
drivers. What is necessary to make this work?
The server is also running PC Lan 1.3
Thanks in advance.
ESF
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Date: 07-27-89 (10:11) Number: 30
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: ROGER JONES Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: LAN SERVER 1.0 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
HELP -
I have installed OS/2 LAN SERVER 1.0 on a PS/2 Model 80 with
a 300mB hard drive partitioned as a single "C" drive. Machine
has 10MB of real memory
No customization has been done.....
Steps:
Install Base Operating System
Install Communciations Manager - just for LAN requestor
Install LAN requestor
Install LAN SERVER
Reboot system.
Can log onto requestor as ADMIN
Server comes up with 0 starup errors
When I try to define a File Alias I get an error message
DOS error has occured NET8002 The name of the function detecting the
error is rsp_mkdi
When I do a HELP NET8002 I get an error message:
(H)elp, (M)ore, (N)o? + Help can not find message 8002 in NETH.MSG
Also, I can not log into the server from other stations on the network.
HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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Date: 07-28-89 (09:23) Number: 31
To: ROGER JONES Refer#: NONE
From: ED FISHER Read: 07-31-89 (10:46)
Subj: Lan Problems Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Roger,
To get the NET error message from help you need to add to your path
statement C:\IBMLAN\NETPROG. The second problem is that the LAN
requestor requires SNA support. Therefore, the Full Default
Communications Manager should be installed.
Finally, the single partition may cause your DOS machines problems. It
may be better to partition your drive into more than one rather than a
single image.
Good Luck.
ESF
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Date: 07-30-89 (13:51) Number: 32
To: ROGER JONES Refer#: 30
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 07-31-89 (10:47)
Subj: LAN SERVER 1.0 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
The docs on that net error msg is availible via IBMLINK, but I forget
what the ID is. Do a "NET ERROR" What does it say? What are you trying
to define? How are you doing it.
NOTES:
LAN SERVER points to IBMLAN\SRVBASE.CFG in the config.sys. Change this
to \CMLIB\ACSCFGUS.CFG. Then go into CM and update the 802.2 (LLC)
params and NETBIOS params as stated in the book.
8002 is an out of resource error if I remember -- very generic.
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Date: 08-02-89 (10:12) Number: 33
To: ALL Refer#: 30
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: LAN SERVER DOG Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I would like to know if everyone else out there thinks that LAN SERVER
has a lousy user interface (that porting to PM isn't going to help) and
is anything but single system image. I have to do four times as much
work to do as I did under Netware. It anyone concerned about Fualt
tolerance?
How about getting together and designing it like we need it? There is
no reason why we have to tolerate sub-standard software. Any takers?
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Date: 08-03-89 (12:47) Number: 37
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: NORM CARPENTER Read: (N/A)
Subj: MOD 70 A21 WITH WS 3270 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I have a model 70 A21 (25Mhz) which will not run the IBM Workstation
Program version 1.10. My 20Mhz model 70 does run this software without
problem. I am using the IBM communication adapter (dft). Any ideas?
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Date: 08-03-89 (12:48) Number: 38
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: NONE
From: ED FISHER Read: 08-04-89 (12:37)
Subj: Lan Server Dog Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Harve,
Count me in. It is always an adventure to find any info from the
server.
ESF
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Date: 08-05-89 (09:38) Number: 41
To: SYSOP Refer#: NONE
From: GARY ABBOTT Read: 08-05-89 (12:35)
Subj: TOKEN RING 16/4 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I'm bringing up another network, this one with about 55 users using
Token Ring 16/4 adapters. I've been trying to identify which (if any)
IBM publications divulge the technical details I'm interested in. I'm
trying to find out more about Early Token Release and the paging of the
64K RAM into the 16K "window". Our IBM rep and SE have been zip help;
all they're prepared to do is search their little database and tell me
all the titles that have the string "Token" in it. I consider that an
unacceptable response, and I'm not prepared to buy all 15 or so at $30
to $50 a crack. Can one of y'all's people identify which, if any,
discusses these admittedly low level details so I can buy it? Thanks.
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Date: 08-06-89 (18:35) Number: 42
To: GARY ABBOTT Refer#: 41
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 08-08-89 (14:05)
Subj: TOKEN RING 16/4 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I've got ALL the manuals. What EXACTLY do you want to know? I can tell
you that paging only work if it set to 16K. setting it to 64K does not
help performance, and other settings (8,32) hurt.
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Date: 08-07-89 (11:51) Number: 43
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: LAN INSTALLATION-OS/2 EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
This conference set up just in time. I will be installing OS/2 EE 1.1
and OS/2 LAN server on a small test network, currently running Novell
Netware 286 and DOS 3.3. File Server is a Model 80-311 with 4 PS/2
(various models) as workstatins. As i understand it, workstations can
be running DOS and still access the OS/2 server? What is needed on the
workstations to enable access, and what type of functionality will they
have (access to OS/2 apps on server??)? I would like to have a mix of
workstations running DOS and OS/2. Any help will be appreciated.
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Date: 08-08-89 (14:05) Number: 44
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 42
From: GARY ABBOTT Read: 08-10-89 (10:21)
Subj: TOKEN RING 16/4 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
On the paging of RAM, I'm trying to find out if that is accessable
programmatically, or if it's "transparently" handled by the BIOS on the
card. The IBM poop I've read so far indicates that 64K "should" produce
better performance, but that 16K and paging produces "most" of the
benefits. Would workstations ever use the additional RAM, assuming a
single threaded DOS?
On Early Token Release, I've trying to calculate the ring delay for the
network I'm building to see if I ever will release a token early, and if
so, at what point of growth. I know the speed of electrons in copper,
can find/measure the length of the ring. I can't find any documentation
on the station delay; i.e., how long a card accepts the incoming frame
before it begins to retransmit to its downstream neighbor. And I recall
that the ring monitor inserts an X bit delay to keep its packet from
coming back in before it's completely gone out. I can no longer find my
reference that tells me X. Finally, do the 8220 fiber repeaters induce a
delay, and if so, how much? Thanks for the proferred assistance.
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Date: 08-08-89 (16:06) Number: 45
To: PEGGY GROSSER Refer#: NONE
From: ED FISHER Read: 09-21-89 (16:41)
Subj: LAN INSTALLATION-OS/2 EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Peggy,
We currently have a similar configuration. Server is PS/2 80 with 70
meg drive. OS/2 1.1 and PC Lan 1.3. Each workstation has the
following:
OS/2 1.1, PC Lan 1.3 or
DOS 3.3, PC Lan 1.3 and Local Area Network Support Program 1.1
The network is a 16mb Token Ring.
DOS workstations cannot access OS/2 services.
Hope this helps!
ESF
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Date: 08-10-89 (09:11) Number: 46
To: ED FISHER Refer#: 45
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: 08-10-89 (12:48)
Subj: LAN INSTALLATION-OS/2 EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Ed, Thanks for the reply. Is PC LAN 1.3 on the server instead of or in
addition to OS/2 LAN Server?
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Date: 08-10-89 (10:19) Number: 47
To: PEGGY GROSSER Refer#: 43
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 09-21-89 (16:42)
Subj: LAN INSTALLATION-OS/2 EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
You will need 1) the latest PTF of DOS (26xxx), LAN server w/ upgrade
3042, and Lan Support Program 1.2,(note: I am getting LOTS of noise
here, so bear with errors) and a Nerf Bat. You should also see about the
LAN SERVER COOKBOOK which is comming out soon- it is a must to optimize
your network. There are some REAL tricks which you get into the mixed
environment!
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Date: 08-10-89 (10:20) Number: 48
To: GARY ABBOTT Refer#: 44
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 08-12-89 (09:53)
Subj: TOKEN RING 16/4 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I try to check. The paging is transparent.
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Date: 08-10-89 (10:22) Number: 49
To: ED FISHER Refer#: 45
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 08-10-89 (12:48)
Subj: LAN INSTALLATION-OS/2 EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Are you using base or extended services. What does your config.sys, and
INI file look like? DOS can access the server- although you must have
upgrades, and the tolerance of bad documentation that God has.
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Date: 08-11-89 (15:51) Number: 50
To: PEGGY GROSSER Refer#: NONE
From: ED FISHER Read: 09-21-89 (16:43)
Subj: LAN INSTALLATION Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Peggy,
You need LAN 1.3 in addition to the OS2 software.
Good Luck!
ESF
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Date: 08-11-89 (15:51) Number: 51
To: GARY ABBOTT Refer#: NONE
From: LARRY SMITH Read: 08-12-89 (10:03)
Subj: Token-Ring 16/4 etc... Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
The following text comes from the IBM EQUAL System
How many times tthe Token circulates per second is a function of how
many adapters are inserted in the ring and how much cable is in the
ring. Each adapter that regenerates the token causes approximately a 2.5
bit delay in the signal. In addition, the active monitor inserrts a 24
bit delay (the length of a token) to assure thattoken can completely
circle the riing. Each kilometer of cable (whether the lobe from the
system to the MSAU or between MSAUs and wiring closets) causes
approximately a 5 microsecond/kilometer propagation delay in the signal.
In an extreme case of having only two stations attached to a single MSAU
by 30 foot ppatch cables, the token would circulate over 50,000 times
per second at 16 Mbps. At 4 Mbps, the token would circulate over 14,000
times per second.
At the other extreme, with a 260 systems inserted into the ring, and
with 30 kilometers of cable (which would require repeaters), the token
would circulate over 5000 times per second at 16 Mbps. At 4 Mbps in this
(H)elp, (M)ore, (N)o? example, itt would circulate about 3000 times.
All of this assumes that no stations have any activity, and the token is
just circulating. In a real environment, some of this band-width would
be ttaken up with data, and an adapter would see fewer free tokens per
second.
The 16 Mbps adapters implement a facility called 'early token rrelease'
which assists in using a maximum percentage of the 16 Mbps bandwidth.
In the 4 Mbps TToken-Ring Network, an adapter that transmits a frame
waits until it receives the header of its frame before it puts a free
token on the network. Except in cases of very long networks, or very
short frames, the header of the frame would have arrived back at the
transmitting station before it was done transmitting tthe fframe, so it
could immediately release a free token. If when it was done
transmitting, however, it had not received its heaader, it would
transmit null characters until it did receive its header. This wastes
bandwidth of the network, but it is a negligible problem at 4 Mbps.
Since the speed of electricity is constant whether it is carrying a
signal that is 1/4 millionth of a second lonng or 1/16 of a millionth,
it takes the first bit of the header as long to return to the sender
regardless of the network speed. But since the adapter is transmitting
so much faster, it is done sooner, and is thus much more likely to have
to wait (and transmit nulls) without early token release. In order to
avoid this waste of bandwidth, early token release was implemented.
(H)elp, (M)ore, (N)o? With early token release, ann aadapter puts a free token on thhe
networkas soon as it complletes sending its frame. Another station can
capture that token and send its frame. Thus it is possible to have
multiple frames of iinformation on the network at the same time;
however, there can only be a single token. When an adapter that has
released an early token later receives its frame, it strips it off the
neetwork, but does not issue another token.
Now let me explain how priority/fairness works.
It turns oout that priority (on 4 OR 16 Mbps) is not of significant
value under about 80% load, because the fair share inherent to implicit
token passing provides sufficient bandwidth to those statioons with high
transmit loads.Therefore, priority is only useful under peak loads, and
they are usually short-lived.
When using early token release, priority requests will not be honored
until a frame is sent that is longer in time than the total delay of
the ring. Priority requests placed in shorter frames are 'lost' be-
cause the sending station will finish transmitting its frame before the
header returns, and will release a free token. For example, if we have a
100 station ring with an average lobe length of 50 meters, and we know
that deelay per station is about 2.5 bits, except thaat the active token
monnitor delays foor 24 bits, we can compute tottal ring delay to be:
1) 100 x 2(50) = 10,000 meters or 10 kilometers is ring lobe length
2) arbitrarily allow 200 meters for multiple closets
(H)elp, (M)ore, (N)o? 3)) total ring length is 10.2 km
4) given 5 microseconds per kilometer for propagation delay, ring length
delay is 51 microseconds
5) station delay = 99(2.5) + 24 = 271.5 biits, and dividing by 16,
271.5/16 = about 17 microseconds
6) total delay = 51 + 17 = 68 microseconds
7) 16 Mbps is 2 Mbytes/sec, therefore 2 x 68 = 136 bytes, which is the
minimumm message length required to activate a priority request. Since
longer frames will be common on 16 Mbps rings, it is obvious that there
will be very little delay for a station seeking a priority change to see
a free token, or a long enough message to activate a request. It
appears that priority requests will be honored on 16 Mbps rrings as soon
or sooner, on average, than they will on 4 Mbps rings, in terms of
elapsed time. The other aspects of priority work the same as they do
without early token release.
--- Hope this helps you, Larry ---
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(End of Message) Command - Function Help
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Commands Available to All:
(Enter) contines on with message read function
(N) stop reading messages
(NS) continue reading messages in non-stop format
(T) thread read (forward) (or T+)
(T-) thread read (backwards)
(#) a specific message number between 1 and 9999999
(+) or (-) added to the end of a (#) forces either a
forward or reverse read respectively.
(+) alone reads messages forward from present position
(-) alone reads messages backwards from present position
(RE) enter a reply to the message just read
(M) memorize that message number for later return
(RM) return to a previously "memorized" message number
(TS) begin a text search of message header information
(NEXT) reads next higher message number available
(PREV) reads next lower message number available
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Date: 08-11-89 (15:52) Number: 52
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: NONE
From: ED FISHER Read: 08-16-89 (19:46)
Subj: LAN INSTALLATION-OS/2 EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Harvey,
You sound like you have done this a "few" times. Seriously, each piece
of software we received did not work until we got the proper patch (CSD
diskette from IBM). The last "known" problem we had was with an OS/2
workstation that has an RTIC card and SDLC card. The resources had to
be marked as serially reusable.
We are running basic services.
ESF
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Date: 08-12-89 (09:53) Number: 53
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 48
From: GARY ABBOTT Read: 08-16-89 (19:46)
Subj: TOKEN RING 16/4 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Thanks. Looking forward to the icky technical details.
Date: 08-12-89 (10:03) Number: 54
To: LARRY SMITH Refer#: 51
From: GARY ABBOTT Read: 08-14-89 (15:08)
Subj: Token-Ring 16/4 etc... Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Thanks, Larry! That's exactly the stuff I was looking for. I knew the
speed of electrons in copper, and the 27 bit delay at the ring master to
ensure that the token is smaller than the ring, but couldn't find the
station delay nowhere (and I've got a complete collection of PC Mag, PC
Tech Journal, and a half dozen IBM Token Docs. As it turns out, each of
my two rings is 110 bytes long, so I can expect Early Token Release a
fair amount of time (acknowledgements, status, etc.). Each additional
user/cable adds about 10 bits delay, so it looks like I've got quite a
way before we see any measurable degradation. Thanks again.
Date: 08-18-89 (12:32) Number: 55
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: (N/A)
Subj: NOT DEAD YET Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
This conferance isn't dead yet! I will be up'ing some net-specific utils
that make life easier (or at least more interesting) as soon as I have
time (two weeks???) and will play "Dr. Lan" real soon. keep checking in!
Date: 08-21-89 (15:53) Number: 56
To: CHRIS GASKINS Refer#: 7
From: JEFF SICURANZA Read: 08-29-89 (16:06)
Subj: 2 STATION TOKEN RING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Actually you can also go with an inexpensive ARC net for just two nodes.
If that is not the way then try the IBM BASEBAND AS A CHOICE.
Date: 08-21-89 (16:56) Number: 57
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 47
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: 08-24-89 (17:50)
Subj: LAN INSTALLATION-OS/2 EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Will get the cookbat. What is a nerf bat?
Date: 08-21-89 (17:01) Number: 58
To: ED FISHER Refer#: 50
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: 09-05-89 (14:35)
Subj: LAN INSTALLATION Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Thanks, I can use it!
Date: 08-24-89 (17:51) Number: 59
To: PEGGY GROSSER Refer#: 57
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 09-21-89 (16:47)
Subj: Nerf Bat Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
It is akin to the Nerf bug, which has been plauging Fisher-Price
computers.
It is a foam rubber basebase bat. That, and dark shades are a
requirement for those computing on the bleeding edge.
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Date: 08-25-89 (22:53) Number: 61
To: PEGGY GROSSER Refer#: 43
From: BRUCE JONES Read: 09-21-89 (16:50)
Subj: LAN INSTALLATION-OS/2 EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Peggy,
I have not been able to check this board in a while so I hope that
this information is not too little too late. I work with IBM networks
every day of my life so leave me a message if there is ever any thing
that I can do for you. The way I understood your question is that the
DOS machines will be running Novel software. If this is the case I'm
afraid that I will not be much help. I you are using all IBM software,
here is some general information to go by: You may have an OS/2 Lan
Server and have DOS and OS/2 workstations access it. The OS/2 machines,
of course, have all the available functions of OS/2. The DOS machines
will have normal DOS capabilities and they will be able to download
applications from the OS/2 server (since simply reading information off
the drive has little to do with the operating system). You may not have
a DOS/PCLP 1.3 Extended Services server in an OS/2 domain. If this is a
requirement you may bring up a DOS machine as a domain controller and
use its resources across the domains. You will need to install PCLP
1.30 on the OS/2 server (You will be asked if you want to do this during
the installation of the LAN server program). If I can help with
anything, please leave me a message.
Bruce Jones
Atlanta, GA
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Date: 08-28-89 (09:25) Number: 62
To: BRUCE JONES Refer#: NONE
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 09-16-89 (17:20)
Subj: LAN SERVER 1.0 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Bruce: If you sign on to Conference 4 (OS/2) you'll see a long message
describing how to download the latest EE 1.1 CSDs (WR03042) from this
board. Mark.
P.S. How've you been?
Date: 08-31-89 (15:43) Number: 63
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 59
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: 09-04-89 (14:01)
Subj: Nerf Bat Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Will get the dark glasses first thing, at least I can look the part.
Peggy
Date: 08-31-89 (15:49) Number: 64
To: BRUCE JONES Refer#: 61
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: 09-16-89 (17:21)
Subj: LAN INSTALLATION-OS/2 EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Not too late at all. As things tend to develop here much later than
planned, it will be several weeks before I get to this network. It will
be running OS/2 on the server and 2 workstations, and 2 DOS
workstations. I don't really understand the advantage to the DOS users
of this setup - printer sharing (provided they are not serial, I've been
told) and access to files on the server, but not the OS/2 apps.
Peggy
Date: 08-31-89 (23:31) Number: 65
To: PEGGY GROSSER Refer#: 64
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 09-21-89 (16:52)
Subj: LAN INSTALLATION-OS/2 EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Peggy: I'm not a LAN Server expert (or a LAN anything expert, for that
matter), but I'm not sure there is a great deal of benefit to the *DOS*
nodes, but I believe there is a great advantage to the Server itself.
Because the network is running in the background as an OS/2 task, you
are not forcing the Server to be a dedicated server. Also, you do not
leave the user of a non-dedicated server with only a small amount of
available memory, as you would with a DOS server. If you have 8MB of
RAM on the server, at least several MB will be available to the server
user for running application software. So by running OS/2 on the
server, you have in effect bought yourself another node for an end-user.
This is a lot cheaper than actually adding another node to a DOS
network. Occasionally the user may have to hot-key to the server
session to do network administration, but the other OS/2 jobs will keep
working in the background. Plus, the server should run much faster than
a DOS server would, because all the software and data can be in memory
at once. You don't have to worry about file overlays, and other
techiques for fitting a large program and files into a limited amount of
memory. I'm sure there is a lot more to both the DOS terminal side of
the story as well as the server side, but that's about all I know on the
subject. (See, who SAYS I know everything...? <grin>). I hope this
helps. Good luck. Mark.
Date: 09-04-89 (18:21) Number: 66
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: GARY ABBOTT Read: (N/A)
Subj: TOKEN RING FREAKOUTS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
For those of you building Token Ring networks, try to keep your users
(or doofus helpers) from plugging Token Ring 9 pin cables into AT type
serial ports. Your network tends to get very wierd very fast. And you
end up having to stick the widget into every port on your MAUs to find
the stuck relays - all 200 of 'em. Lord preserve me from assistants
working past their bedtime.
Date: 09-06-89 (11:15) Number: 67
To: MARK CHAPMAN Refer#: 65
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: 02-01-90 (18:04)
Subj: LAN INSTALLATION-OS/2 EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Thanks Mark. I'm trying to combine understanding of networking in
general and OS/2 specifically so it gets a bit confusing. Do you know
what the suggested minimum memory is for an OS/2 server (with 4
workstations connected 2 DOS and 2 OS/2), and will increasing the memory
increase performance?
Thanks. Peggy
Date: 09-06-89 (21:07) Number: 68
To: PEGGY GROSSER Refer#: 67
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 09-21-89 (16:52)
Subj: LAN INSTALLATION-OS/2 EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Peggy: I'm on shaky ground here. Not only don't I work with the LAN
Server, but also I'm on vacation this week (so I don;t have access to
even the announcement letters). Working from memory only (risky at
best!), I think the server requires a minimum of 6MB (but 8 is better).
I don't recall the requirement for non-server OS/2 workstations, but it
wasn't much (maybe 512K above the requirements without the requestor).
The only "performance factor" involved is whether you have enough memory
to keep from swapping. Disk swapping can KILL performance on the
server, unless it is very infrequent. If you download Dave Both's STAT
program from this board, you can see (second by second) how much memory
is being used. I'm sure someone with more experience with the LAN
Server can provide more details. I hope this helps. Good luck. Mark.
Date: 09-07-89 (11:20) Number: 69
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: OS/2 LAN CONFIG. Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I appreciate the help of all so far. I think the best thing is to lay
out the specifics of what I have in mind so far. Here goes:
Server: Model 80-311 running OS/2 EE & LAN Server program
IBM 16MB Token Ring Adapter
10MB RAM (Is this excessive??)
2 DOS Workstations-PS/2 Model 50z and 60 running DOS 3.3
running: IBM PC LAN Program 1.3
IBM LAN Support Program 1.1
with IBM 16MB Token Ring Adapters
2 OS/2 Workstations - PS/2 Model 50z (or 60) and Model 70
each w/6MB RAM and IBM 16MB Token Ring Adapters
each running OS/2 EE 1.1 w/LAN requestor
Questions: First of all, does the above include everything that is
needed?
Second, how do I configure a gateway? The existing Novell
Network uses a separate machine (an AT) as a gateway server with an
EICON board and software. What is needed for OS/2? Specifically, is it
feasible for the file server and gateway to be on one system? What is
required hardware and software? Does OS/2 EE 1.1 provide the
appropriate support or is Version 1.2 needed?
Thanks. Peggy
Date: 09-07-89 (11:25) Number: 70
To: BRUCE JONES Refer#: NONE
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: 09-16-89 (17:26)
Subj: OS/2 LAN W/DOS DOMAIN CON Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Bruce, What is the advantage of having a DOS machine as a domain
controller on the OS/2 LAN? If I understood your previous message, the
DOS workstations will be able to access files and DOS applications from
the OS/2 server. But there will be no protection features for the DOS
users?
Date: 09-09-89 (13:11) Number: 72
To: PEGGY GROSSER Refer#: 69
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 09-21-89 (16:54)
Subj: OS/2 LAN CONFIG. Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Peggy: A little more clarification might help: By "gateway" did you
mean Async gateway (as opposed to 3270 gateway or 5250 gateway)? Mark.
Date: 09-11-89 (10:19) Number: 73
To: MARK CHAPMAN Refer#: 72
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: 02-01-90 (18:04)
Subj: OS/2 LAN CONFIG. Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Mark, We use the PCs with 3270 emulation software for mainframe access,
(coax connections with DFT lines),
and are looking to replace this with gateway access. That would mean a
3270 gateway, i presume? Peggy
Date: 09-11-89 (13:00) Number: 74
To: PEGGY GROSSER Refer#: 73
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 09-21-89 (16:54)
Subj: OS/2 LAN CONFIG. Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Peggy: <That would nean a 3270 gateway, I presume?> Yep. And from
memory, I'm pretty sure that either EE 1.1 or OS/2 LAN Server
incorporates that feature. So you shouldn't need any additional
software. I'm still on vacation (through Wednesday), so I can't verify
how that works, but perhaps Dave can look in the announcement letter, or
other documentation, and confirm (or correct) what I said.
I hope this helps. Good luck. Mark.
Date: 09-11-89 (13:50) Number: 75
To: MARK CHAPMAN Refer#: 74
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: 02-01-90 (18:04)
Subj: OS/2 LAN CONFIG. Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Mark, I didn't mean to intrude on your vacation, but I guess you can;t
stay away from this bbs completely. Hope your vacation goes well, and
for when you get back, or if Dave is looking in, if OS/2 EE 1.1 does
provide a gateway (and I thought I heard that it did not), is it OK to
have the gateway and file server on the same machine? What factors
would need to be considered in deciding which configuration to use,
assuming both options are available? Thanks again. Peggy
Date: 09-12-89 (16:42) Number: 76
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: ED FISHER Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: DOS 4.0+ and Token Ring Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Does anyone know how to get DOS 4.0 and PCLAN 1.3 to work?
Thanks in advance.
ESF
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Date: 09-15-89 (13:46) Number: 77
To: PEGGY GROSSER Refer#: 75
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 09-21-89 (16:54)
Subj: OS/2 LAN CONFIG. Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Peggy: Now that I'm back at work, I had a chance to look at the
announcement letters (which are also on this board, but that I forgot
about). The EE 1.1 announcement "allows use of a 3174 gateway or a
3720, 3725, or 3745 as a LAN connection to a host."
In addition, the 1.2 announcement adds this enhancement: "SNA Gateway
support allows access to an IBM/370 host by multiple users attached to
the gateway via an IBM Token-Ring, IBM PC Network LAN, SDLC switched
link, or an X.25 network. The link between the gateway and the host may
be SDLC, X.25, or an IBM Token-Ring."
Date: 09-15-89 (13:48) Number: 78
To: PEGGY GROSSER Refer#: 75
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 09-21-89 (16:54)
Subj: OS/2 LAN CONFIG. Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Peggy: I'm afraid I'm not qualified to help with your question about
having the gateway and server on the same system. I'm sure some other
"readers" can advise you from experience, however. Good luck. Mark.
Date: 09-16-89 (17:27) Number: 80
To: PEGGY GROSSER Refer#: 70
From: BRUCE JONES Read: 09-21-89 (16:58)
Subj: OS/2 LAN W/DOS DOMAIN CON Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Peggy,
You cannot have an DOS Domain Controler with OS/2 workstations. I'm
not sure what part of the information that I gave you prompted this but
that is not a supported configuration. The only way to have an OS/2
workstation access a DOS server is to drop to the DOS command prompt and
issue an explicit NET USE command from the server and an explicit NET
USE command from the OS/2 workstation. The domain controler must be (as
far as I know) an OS/2 machine. By the way, we use the following
general rule to meet memory requirements for an OS/2 domain controler:
(starting with basic OS/2) you need 3mb for the base operating system,
4mb for a LAN Requester, a bare minumum of 5mb for an additional server
and a bare minimum of 6mb for a domain controler (I would recomend more
like 8mb in order to run more efficiently). When you start the actual
configuration of this network, leave me messages as questions arise,
I've done a lot of work lately with this type of configurations and I
can probably be of some help.
Bruce W. Jones
Atlanta, GA
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Date: 09-21-89 (16:57) Number: 81
To: BRUCE JONES Refer#: 80
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: NO
Subj: OS/2 LAN W/DOS DOMAIN CON Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Bruce, You said that you could not have DOS PCLP 1.3 Ext.Srvcs. in OS/2
domain, but could bring up a DOS machine as a domain controller and use
its resources across domains. Is that right or am I misinterpreting?
Peggy
Date: 09-21-89 (17:02) Number: 82
To: ED FISHER Refer#: 29
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: 09-22-89 (10:04)
Subj: Token Ring with IBM WorkS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Ed, Did you ever find out the answer to your problem with DOS
workstations (DOS 3.3) and IBM Wrkstation. Pgrm. 1.1.1 conflicting with
Token Ring drivers? (I'm interested). Also, do you plan to stay with
each workstation individually connected to mainframe or go to a gateway?
My interest in what you're doing in for the network which I will
(someday, I hope) be setting up. Thanks. Peggy
Date: 09-22-89 (10:04) Number: 85
To: PEGGY GROSSER Refer#: NONE
From: ED FISHER Read: 09-27-89 (11:25)
Subj: Token Ring with IBM WorkS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Peggy,
IBM told us that W.S. 1.1.2 would work with the Token Ring. Not
correct. W.S. 1.1.2 crashed just like 1.1.1. At this point we do not
have a working version of the work station with token ring. We are
currently using Attachmate's Extra and are very happy with it. It is a
more friendlier piece of software that is not tied so tightly to the
operating environment.
Our short term goals are to keep the 3270 connections on the work
stations until our physical environment is stable. (Sometime next year
we will be moving to different offices). Long term goals are to move
the 3270 connections to the server and convert to OS/2 where feasible.
I'm looking forward to the dual boot option of EE 1.2 since my work
station requires DOS to run internally developed software.
If you have more questions please feel free to ask.
If you don't mind I'd like to ask you a question. Could you describe
your experiences installing the LAN? We are currently developing a
proposal for large scale implementation of PS/2 LANs in the field. Our
experience with our's (6 work stations) leads us to guess that the
support for this kind of implementation is going to be prohibative.
The end users will be clerical and managerial (as opposed to technical,
here) and all they are interested in doing is turning on the machine and
working.
Any input you have to this problem is welcome. (Also please read the
msg I left for SYSOP on the MAIN board (I think its number 4002).
ESF
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Date: 09-22-89 (10:17) Number: 86
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: ED FISHER Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: DOS 4.01 + Token Ring Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Does anyone know what the CONFIG.SYS parameters IFS=REDIR.SYS and
INSTALL=IFSFUNC are required for?
I have been unable to find any reference to them other than in the PC
Lan manual under the solution to error message NET501.
Thanks in advance.
ESF
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Date: 09-27-89 (11:17) Number: 87
To: ED FISHER Refer#: 85
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: 09-28-89 (08:01)
Subj: Token Ring with IBM WorkS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Ed, My experience in this area is quite limited, unfortunately, but I'd
be glad to provide any information I can gather. Our current network is
an IBM Token Ring running Novell Netware 286. There are 2 file servers
and approx. 60 workstations, and an AT-based gateway using an EICON
board. There have been lots of problems with mainframe access (none of
this was tested ahead of time), downtime due to troubleshooting, and
obviously user dissatisfaction. I don't have any more details-this is a
DOS-based network anyway. The OS/2 network which I will be setting up
will be small, probably 4 workstations, and used for testing purposes,
but is still in the development phase-don't know how long it will remain
there. I'll be glad to fill you in as I learn more about it myself,
both the existing Novell, and the OS/2 LAN. Peggy
Date: 09-27-89 (11:28) Number: 88
To: ED FISHER Refer#: NONE
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: 09-28-89 (08:01)
Subj: 3279 WORKSTATION PROGRAM Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Ed, I did forget to mention that they are using an IBM 3270 workstation
product on the LAN, but I will have to check on the version. Peggy
Date: 10-01-89 (15:33) Number: 90
To: PEGGY GROSSER Refer#: 69
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 10-06-89 (17:28)
Subj: OH, BOY.... Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I'm running 55 users of a 10M server (80-311) and I still have 2.5M free
and have a 2M disk cache. You should get the *LATEST* CSD (3042, but a
new one is on the way). You will need the CSD on DOS, Lan Support
Program and PCLP. (LSP is up to 1.2 and PCLP is 1.32)
You will need PC3270 program and a 640K 50 for the gateway. EE 1.2 can
does not need a gateway, but the dos computers will. I use the gateway
on my EE 1.1, and it works just fine. The gateway is dedicated.
You can call me at 314-882-0847 if you want to discuss it.
Date: 10-01-89 (15:36) Number: 91
To: ED FISHER Refer#: 76
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 10-02-89 (09:45)
Subj: DOS 4.0+ and Token Ring Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
You need to upgrade to 1.32 to run under DOS 4.0 if you are running
1.30. You can't get it to work without the IFS device driver.
Date: 10-01-89 (15:40) Number: 92
To: ED FISHER Refer#: 85
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 10-02-89 (09:46)
Subj: LAN IMPLEMENTATION Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
We just set up a 250 WS network (4 bldg, 500+ drops) I am the support
person. Singular. I've set up over 12 Network OSs, over 40 Nets.
What (exactly) are you trying to set up (nets, users, connections,
applications, etc). Maybe I can give you some input.
Date: 10-01-89 (15:43) Number: 93
To: ED FISHER Refer#: 86
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 10-02-89 (09:46)
Subj: IFS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
IFS in the "installable file system" for the network. It is basically
the layer that take the net request for disk access and converts to to a
disk read request. The file is different for 3.X and 4.X systems. That
is the main reason for its existance.
One note: do not run a 3.x server with 4.x workstations. it gets real
messy.
Date: 10-01-89 (15:45) Number: 94
To: PEGGY GROSSER Refer#: 87
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 10-06-89 (17:31)
Subj: LAN SERVER V. NETWARE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
If you are running in the DOS environment only, stick with Netware. If
you are going to OS/2, you are stuck with Lan Server.
Novell is not supporting OS/2 until demand picks up. (straight from the
man)
Date: 10-02-89 (09:47) Number: 95
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: NONE
From: ED FISHER Read: 10-11-89 (12:04)
Subj: LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Harvey,
Our project is to create a workstation that will offload our host
computers. On this PC will be OS2 1.2. Data will be downloaded on a
real time basis so that the end users will be able to run SQL quieries
on the PC rather than the host. Our logistical problems are as follows:
Thousands of workstations will be required. Each one will be operated
by a clerical person who wishes nothing more than to turn it on and have
it work.
There will probably be hundreds of LANS to support the above
workstations. Our client companies have no experience with LAN support,
nor do we have the staff or budget to support each one of them.
Our current experience has been that the IBM software involved works
well. But does not integrate at all.
The LAN experience has been that each piece of software required did not
work and upgrades and / or CSD's had to be obtained.
A good sample was the DOS 4.0 problem (IFS=REDIR.SYS +
INSTALL=IFSFUNC.EXE required but only documented under the error message
NET501).
BTW, the server is an OS/2 box. The workstations are a mixture of OS/2
(2), DOS 3.3 (3) and DOS 4.0 (1).
We currently are up and running here, but based on our experiences, it
would have been a nightmare for the field.
If you want more info, please leave me a note.
Thanks for the interest.
ESF
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Date: 10-04-89 (18:34) Number: 96
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: CHRIS YANNELLA Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: PC LAN V1.30 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Using the IBM PC LAN program v1.30, i'm having problems setting up
an application that can be shared by all the workstations.
I'm using the extended services. Right now when I save something
out on the server it only saves it for the user i'm loged on under.
I can't go up with another user and pull that info off.
When I looked on the drive of the server, it saved the data under
that users subdirectory. My question is... How can I have all the
users use an application that is in a certain subdirectory without
having to the application is eac
h users subdirectory?
Chris
Date: 10-06-89 (17:28) Number: 97
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 90
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: 10-11-89 (12:11)
Subj: LAN PLAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I will call. This is still in planning stages so no critical blunders
have been made...yet. Thanks. Peggy
P.S. Is your schedule any less hectic these days?
Date: 10-06-89 (17:31) Number: 98
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 94
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: 10-11-89 (12:11)
Subj: LAN SERVER V. NETWARE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
OS/2 is the direction - that's the reason for the change. But we will
be a combination of the two for quite a while. P.G.
Date: 10-11-89 (12:04) Number: 99
To: ED FISHER Refer#: 95
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 10-16-89 (10:23)
Subj: LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Hmmm.... sounds interesting. How is all this connected? You refer to "in
the field" so I assume that it isn't a token ring connect....
Do you have a systems diagram? Fax it to 314-882-9003.
I love connecting stuff together. Just of the top of my head, sounds
like a wonderful AP for APPC. I'd even look into streaming broadcast of
data if you are, say, a local wide area net (need better jargon) and
dial-up acknowledgemnts.
Date: 10-11-89 (12:08) Number: 100
To: CHRIS YANNELLA Refer#: 96
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 10-17-89 (00:52)
Subj: SHARED DATA Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I must assume that the application is sharable. That is, it uses locked
records or such. You can't share a lotus spreadsheet (well, there are
programs that do that, but.....) or a wordprocessing file by more than
one user simultaneously. You can define a file alias and have more than
one user access that alias by using a NET SHARE/NET USE to share a
directory. However, if you app isn't shareable, you will wind up when a
corrupt file, or unexpected results at the very least. What is the app?
Date: 10-11-89 (12:11) Number: 101
To: PEGGY GROSSER Refer#: 97
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 11-24-89 (16:26)
Subj: LAN PLAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
No, I've got 5 IBM VIPs, 3 University Curators, the University
President, chancelor, and provost showing up this friday. I'm
considering suicide by hanging myself with a token ring cable, but the
bend radius of type one just doesn't work.
Date: 10-16-89 (10:26) Number: 102
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: NONE
From: ED FISHER Read: 10-16-89 (17:53)
Subj: LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Harve,
By the field I mean our clients. I work at Bell Communications Research
and the field is the Telephone Companies. We can only suggest hardware.
We only provide software. So it is the Telephone Companies'
responsibility to obtain and install the network. How they hook it up
is up to them.
We will develope the software on a token ring and will document that for
them.
Our principle worry is the amount of support they will require to
install each network (we estimate many LANs per company).
Therefore I cannot send you a copy of the wiring diagram.
Thanks for the interest. I will keep you posted.
ESF
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Date: 10-16-89 (10:32) Number: 103
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: ED FISHER Read: (N/A)
Subj: REDIR.SYS + IFSFUNC.EXE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
For all that are interested, here is the "official" IBM reply to "Why
are REDIR.SYS and IFSFUNC.EXE needed for DOS 4.0 and the Token Ring?"
One DOS 4.0 enhancement was better redirected output, and PCLP 1.3 was
rewritten to take advantage of that enhancement through redir.sys which
is installed by the ifsfunc.exe driver. This function allows PCLP 1.3
to intercept disk I/O requests issued by the applications which are
running on the system so they can passed to the server to be executed.
Thus, they are needed for any size partition.
If not placed in your Config.sys file, you will receive a NET 501 error
"Cannot start network; Program Conflict" "You are trying to start
Extended Services before Base Services".
For additional information, please search the data base using the key
words "Ifsfunc.exe", "IFS", and "Redir.sys".
Thank you."
This response came from EQUAL.
Now we know.
ESF
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Date: 10-16-89 (17:53) Number: 104
To: ED FISHER Refer#: 102
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 10-18-89 (11:12)
Subj: LAN SETUP Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
OK, I think I get the idea -- how are you going to connect them all
together?
I suggest NOT using LAN SERVER unless ALL of your computers are running
OS2. It just requires too much support! Its a bear to setup, and you
can't tune it, the docs are useless,....
Date: 10-18-89 (11:19) Number: 106
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: NONE
From: ED FISHER Read: 10-20-89 (16:14)
Subj: Lan Setup Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Harve,
Our setup here is with the Lan Server. I think you made an
understatement about its' friendliness.
Do you have any recommendations on what we should suggest for server
configuration?
Thanks.
ESF
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Date: 10-18-89 (20:11) Number: 107
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: MARK STRELECKI Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: PC LAN 1.3 PENDING INSTAL Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I have an upcoming upgrade to PC Lan in my future.
Are there any experts that might assist me, or can it be done with care?
Mark Strelecki
Mr. LAN, 1990
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Date: 10-19-89 (21:38) Number: 108
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: LARRY SMITH Read: (N/A)
Subj: Parallel ports Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Has anyone tried installing IOSIX-7 the two parallel port card from
Advanced Microcomputer Systems on the OS/2 LAN Server? I would like to
run three parallel printers on my LAN Server machine.
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Date: 10-19-89 (21:45) Number: 109
To: SYSOP Refer#: NONE
From: LARRY SMITH Read: 10-20-89 (11:52)
Subj: TELEDISK INFO Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Where can I get more information on the Teledisk Shareware thats being
used with the CSD retrieval? Our company is working on a method of
downloading CSD's to our users, but need to send them a DOS ipl image.
Date: 10-20-89 (16:14) Number: 111
To: ED FISHER Refer#: 106
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 11-01-89 (11:22)
Subj: Lan Setup Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
OK here's what I need to know:
1) How many sites do you have?
2) How do you plan to connect them?
3) How many PCs per site
4) What kind of PCs
5) What are the major apps
6) how important is security?
7) What kind of supprot structure is in place
8) how good are the end users?
Give me a call sometime. 314-882-0847
Date: 10-20-89 (16:15) Number: 112
To: MARK STRELECKI Refer#: 107
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 10-21-89 (21:06)
Subj: EX-SPERTS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Leave your questions here....
Date: 10-31-89 (12:29) Number: 113
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: CHARLES HOULROYD Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: 3812 Mod1 using Microcode Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I am using a 3812 Model 1 with Microcode 1.31. with Lotus 123 version
2.01. I cannot seem to print without exiting Lotus. I can't seem to
get the printout from Lotus to be condensed print? This is all
happening on a IBM Token Ring Network using version 1.23 of the Lan
program. If you have any answers, I sure would appreciate it.
Charles Houlroyd, System Administrator, 516-933-5056
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Date: 11-06-89 (13:35) Number: 114
To: CHARLES HOULROYD Refer#: 113
From: BARRY-SHIFFRIN P1535NY Read: 01-22-90 (13:08)
Subj: 3812 Mod1 using Microcode Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
After your printout is finished as far as Lotus is concerned, have you
tried pressing Alt-Ctrl-Prtsc? This signals the LAN spoolers that your
printout is finished and the file should be closed. When the file gets
closed, the printout should start. This is documented somewhere in the
LAN books. Many newer versions of programs have fixed this problem by
closing the file after finishing the writing.
Date: 11-09-89 (06:16) Number: 115
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: ANDREAS LEIBETSEDER Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: SERVER DOCUMENTATION Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Hello!
I'm in the IC of a large company and we just installed a 16 Mb
Token-Ring for use with 3174 CUs and PS/2s running OS/2.
I'd like to use the IBM LAN Server but the manual seems to be written
for a network with two to tree PCs.
(H)elp, (M)ore, (N)o? n
(H)elp, End of Message Command? +
Date: 11-10-89 (08:52) Number: 116
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: BRUCE CAMPBELL Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: LAN CABLE SPECS. Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Hello:
My name is Bruce Campbell and I am looking for a complete let me say it
again a complete document on the various cable types used in Token Ring
and Baseband networking. If you could suggest something I'd be very
greatful. I all ready have the Type 3 cable book.
Thanks.
B.C.
(H)elp, End of Message Command? ns
Date: 11-12-89 (23:52) Number: 117
To: ANDREAS LEIBETSEDER Refer#: 115
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 11-14-89 (12:01)
Subj: SERVER DOCUMENTATION Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
STEP RIGHT UP HERE SON! I've got the solution to all your problems.
TWO-BITS, that's ALL YA NEED. GOT 32 BITS, ya say? Well, that'll leave
ya thirty and I'll have it for ya when come out I will.....
The COOKBOOK is out now, under a "G" code. I had mine in hand a week
ago. Not that I want any of the credit (read: blame) for it, but I did
have a proof copy, and there was LOTS of information that should have
been in the manual. I have a server "tuned" for 80 users, but the whole
process is akin to voo-doo. (except that you get better results, and
voo-doo is friendlier) Give me a call at 314-882-0847, and I'll give you
a hand. Or leave info about your setup, and I'll answer any questions
that I can.
Date: 11-12-89 (23:54) Number: 118
To: BRUCE CAMPBELL Refer#: 116
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 11-22-89 (09:06)
Subj: LAN CABLE SPECS. Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
HI Bruce!
What do you mean, complete? The Planning and Referance Guide has lots of
info in it, and list the other guides (fiber, etc.) with more info. What
info are you looking for?
Date: 11-14-89 (12:01) Number: 119
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 117
From: ANDREAS LEIBETSEDER Read: 11-15-89 (18:33)
Subj: SERVER DOCUMENTATION Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Thank you for your kind respone!
Well, I've been trying for two weeks or so, to get a workstation with
the RPL-Feature installed active. I removed the HD, the FDD and the ROM
seems to work (no BU-Error etc.) but all it does is to count the RQs and
the SFs.
I assume the problem is the server. But all images seem to be OK as are
the machine definitions and the RPL.MAP file. (after some long
and boring decryption-tasks (~~~~B, ....). I wonder why the server's
HD-Controller-LED doesn't even flash when the SFR-Frame comes in,
although the requester knows, that the server is active (If the server
isn't active, the requester only counts the RQs).
So, what's the trick, because other DOS-requesters (with their own HDs)
work almost (speed) satisfactory.
Thank you very much in advance for any hint you might give me,
Andi
Date: 11-15-89 (11:39) Number: 120
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: (N/A)
Subj: GOOD NEWS/BAD NEWS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Well, everyone, the Good news is that IBM yesterday announced the OS/2
LAN Server V1.2!!! The Bad news is that it won't be available until
March 30, 1990! More bad news is that because EE 1.2 LAN support NEEDS
the LAN Server 1.2, EE 1.2 won;t be available until March either!
However, the Good news is that the extra time means that more "goodies"
can be added to EE 1.2 in the meantime (such as an improved File
Manager), over and above what SE 1.2 has currently.
I know that news that you have to wait even longer for the improvements
of LS 1.2 are not welcome, but until yesterday, there was no firm
statement that there would even BE any improvements over 1.1 any time
soon! Mark.
Date: 11-15-89 (18:33) Number: 121
To: ANDREAS LEIBETSEDER Refer#: 119
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 11-20-89 (12:35)
Subj: SERVER DOCUMENTATION Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Uhhh..... WOW!
I'll have to look it up. The IBM OS/2 LAN Server version 1.0 Planning,
Installation and Customization book is order NO. GG24-3402-00. It does
not seem as complete as the beta guide that I have, but that may be
because mine is single sided. Stand by.....
Date: 11-22-89 (09:06) Number: 123
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 118
From: BRUCE CAMPBELL Read: 11-26-89 (18:02)
Subj: LAN CABLE SPECS. Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Harvey, maybe that is the guide I am looking for could you get me the
full title and part no. ? Also,What I am looking for is the cable
transmission distances for all cable types for Token ring and baseband.
Thanks.
Bruce-Campbell
Date: 11-22-89 (09:10) Number: 124
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: BRUCE CAMPBELL Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: LOCATION OF IBM COMM. SYS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Hello, Mayname is Bruce Campbell and I am looking for the location of
IBM Communication Systems. Iam interested in the NET servis they offer
but, I would like to know where they are located.
Thanks.
Bruce-Campbell
Date: 11-24-89 (16:26) Number: 125
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 101
From: PEGGY GROSSER Read: 11-26-89 (18:03)
Subj: LAN PLAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I'm glad you didn't do it. My OS/2 LAN plans are further astray than
ever. One day, I will get an OS/2 LAN up and running, though its been
downsized to 2 PCs.
Date: 11-26-89 (18:04) Number: 126
To: BRUCE CAMPBELL Refer#: 124
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 11-30-89 (13:26)
Subj: LOCATION OF IBM COMM. SYS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Do you mean the IBM communications group in Raleigh, N.C.?
Date: 12-11-89 (11:49) Number: 127
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: REID BYERS Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: QEMM386 PROBLEMS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Been having trouble with QEMM386, Token_ring. They work fine together
until I try to allow the user to go into LOTUS or Paradox. Either of
these applications will trash the network on exiting. I suspect it has
something to do with the page frame and the apps trying to use it for
expanded memory. Anyone heard of this?? Any ideas?? Desperate. Thanks.
Date: 12-12-89 (11:36) Number: 128
To: REID BYERS Refer#: NONE
From: ED FISHER Read: NO
Subj: QEMM386 Problems Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Reid
We have experienced similar problems with our 80. QEMM 50/60 does not
appear to have that problem. We will be persuing it with Quarterdeck.
ESF
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Date: 12-12-89 (22:34) Number: 129
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: LAN DESIGN FORUM Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I would like to get a group of folks together for a LAN design forum. I
am looking for some folks who are interested in designing the next
generation of Networking software. Topics include Fualt tolerance/fault
elimination, user interface, network management, network diagnostics,
user support, and more. I would like to get at least five people
involved. If you are interested, please leave a note here.
Date: 12-13-89 (08:57) Number: 130
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: NONE
From: ED FISHER Read: 12-13-89 (23:47)
Subj: LAN DESIGN FORUM Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Harvey,
Count me in. It sounds like a real good idea!
ESF
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Date: 12-13-89 (09:40) Number: 131
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: JOSEPH MARINO Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: OS/2 SPOOL QUEUE PRIORITY Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Does anybody know how to set the priority for an OS/2 EE 1.1 Spooler
Queue? I know it can be done manually job by job from the Spooler
window, but I want to predefine the priority for a given Queue. I have
set up several Queues attached to a single physical printer and want to
prioritize each seperately. My IBM Sevice Rep. is at a loss for an
answer to this one.
Date: 12-13-89 (11:09) Number: 132
To: JOSEPH MARINO Refer#: 131
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 02-02-90 (11:38)
Subj: OS/2 SPOOL QUEUE PRIORITY Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Joseph: I don't know of a way to do what you ask. I'm using SE 1.2, and
I don't see it there either (perhaps something will be in EE 1.2 next
spring, but I don't know that for sure). There is a Network Options
parameter that can be filled in, but unless there is a priority option
on the network (IBM not a LAN expert by any stretch of the imagination)
itself, this won't help. Another parameter that looks interesting is
the Queue Driver name. There is a Setup option for the Queue driver,
that when selected for the default driver, PMPRINT, says that there are
no setup options for that driver. That tells me that a DIFFERENT driver
might offer you a prioritizing option; the problem is where do you get
such a driver, or how do you make it? But at least the possibility
exists that it could be provided at a later date.
I hope this helps. Good luck. Mark.
Date: 12-13-89 (23:48) Number: 133
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: LAN MAXIUMS (DESIGN GOALS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Here are some design goals of our mythical network system. I hope that
we can accumulate enough of these to start designing a system to solve
them. If any of these are unclear, or you disagree, please leave a note.
All DATA on a network must have an OWNER.
All PROGRAMS should work indepedant of thier ENVIRONMENT.
All PROGRAMS should use the RESOURCES of the WORKSTATION to the fullest.
The USER should not have to learn anything new to use a NETWORK.
The NETWORK should NEVER fail.
The NETWORK ADMINISTRATOR (NETADM) should never have to leave his chair.
DIAGNOSIC information should be USEABLE and MEANINGFUL.
DISTRIBUTED RESOURCES should be ACCESSABLE to EVERYONE
SECURITY should be complete enough to address EVERY situtation.
EVERYTHING should be backed up.
Only FUNCTIONS that are needed should be loaded into MEMORY.
Large networks should be as easy to MANAGE as small ones.
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Date: 12-14-89 (08:22) Number: 134
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: NONE
From: ED FISHER Read: 12-14-89 (14:44)
Subj: Network Ideals Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Harvey
I would like to add the following:
1) Simple installation. Put the diskette in the drive and type install.
2) To add a new work station, just plug it in and the software detects
and configures it.
3) Some way to provide the server's resources (CPU + memory + OS etc.)
to the work station.
ESF
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Date: 12-14-89 (14:44) Number: 135
To: ED FISHER Refer#: 134
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 12-18-89 (12:47)
Subj: Servers Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I agree with your statements. What is a server. What does it serve? Why
should a device be a "server" and others not?
Why do we have servers?
I'm just trying to bring all our thought to WHY ARE WE DOING THIS THIS
WAY? and WHAT IS THE PURPOSE?
For 12 years (depending on where you start the definition of networking)
we have been making networks emulate the stand-alone computer. Which
gives a network the same limitations of the stand-alone computers. I
would like to start defining what we want and know is posible, then
figure out how to do it.
sound reasonable? (this is a conversation-- peer-to-peer. So don't think
that I know right-from-wrong here. if you disagree PLEASE say so.)
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Date: 12-14-89 (23:40) Number: 136
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: (N/A)
Subj: THE USER'S VIEW Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
The user wants one thing out of a computer: to get the job done. That's
it. Those who want more are not doing their job, they're playing. What
does the user see when he looks at the computer? He sees a screen and a
keyboard (and the ubiquitous rodent)≈│. He does not see a disk drive, a
fixed disk, a CPU, ports, or a network. When he uses the computer, he
only cares enough about files to find the one he wants and use it. The
program itself is inconsequtial to the action, except to get the job
done without complicating the task. Only we the computer nerds who are
part of MIS, IC, ETC. really know or care about the details.
Whats the point?
In a networking environment, the network manager's main concern is to
keep are the computers he can alike so that he can make a near-imposable
job do-able. He is often the only one who understands how it all works.
Network should be usable and configurable by the user. Networks should
be much like VM, but a VM that doesn't care about the "M." In VM, the
user uses a program that looks like a card reader. Much like a virtual
disk, everything in VM is virtual. Occationally, we connect at virtual
device to a real one so that real work gets done. VM was a great idea--
for computer types. What we need now is a VM solution for non-computer
types for our networks.
Date: 12-16-89 (11:06) Number: 137
To: REID BYERS Refer#: 127
From: GARY ABBOTT Read: NO
Subj: QEMM386 PROBLEMS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Yep, almost assuredly the EMS page frame of QEMM is overlaying the ROM
or RAM of the Token Ring card. Here's how to solve it; check your card
for the ROM address and your network software for the RAM address. QEMM
can't detect the Token addresses because QEMM loads before the card is
initialized. Run QEMM and it'll tell you its page frame address.
Finally, either EXCLUDE the addresses on the QEMM.SYS line in the
CONFIG.SYS, or move the ROM and RAM addresses for the card, or declare a
FRAME address on the QEMM.SYS line.
Date: 12-16-89 (11:09) Number: 138
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 133
From: GARY ABBOTT Read: 12-16-89 (23:35)
Subj: LAN MAXIUMS (DESIGN GOALS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Re your design goals for the ultimate network:
Why not just buy Sun workstations and be done with it?
Date: 12-16-89 (23:25) Number: 139
To: GARY ABBOTT Refer#: 137
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 12-23-89 (11:58)
Subj: QEMM386 PROBLEMS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I love QEMM! one other suggestion: move the ROM address to C000-C3FF and
set the page frame to 16K in the an area other than D000-DFFF. This will
allow optimal use of memory by QEMM. Also, you can set the adapter to
OPEN at the DXM installation, which seems to solve some other conflicts
that I had with programs. DO NOT try to set the DXM modules at a LOADHI
address, you will lock up the machine at random intervals.
good luck. EMS works VERY slowly at best. If you can, switch to OS/2.
Pagemaker works well over 1000% faster under OS/2 than with EMS DOS.
Date: 12-16-89 (23:35) Number: 140
To: GARY ABBOTT Refer#: 138
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 12-23-89 (11:58)
Subj: LAN MAXIUMS (DESIGN GOALS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Sun workstations (I assume you also meant their network) also have
limitations. TCP/IP is sloppy protocol at best-- quite incomplete. NFS
is a brute-force approach to the problem. Don't get me wrong-- both work
after a fashion, but then so does kermit. However, the compromises
inhererent in the implementation so that it can support the number of
systems it does limits its growth. Also, the SUN network supports *nix,
at that's about it. Under Ethernet at that.
What I want to do here is work on the next generation of network OS. We
have been designing onr networks to look like standalone computers. We
need to start designing networks, else the limitations of standalone
computers will never go away.
SUN (or any other platform for that matter) does not solve or address
the problem, it mearly changes the type and number of limitations. At a
higher cost in both equipment and personnel. My goal is to get the
personnel cost down to 1 per 250 computer in the next five years. It is
now in the area of 1:80 in most IC shops, and growing rather than
reducing as it should.
If I have misunderstood your (brief) comment, please correct me.
Date: 12-17-89 (16:39) Number: 142
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: (N/A)
Subj: Lan Server Review Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
IBM OS/2 Lan Platform Review and Analysis
INTRODUCTION
In January 1989, IBM and the School of Journalism agreed to work
together to advance the state of computing in the field of
journalism. To this end, over 250 PS/2 computers were installed and
connected to a four-building 16Mb Token Ring network. Networked
were four student lab areas, two newsrooms, and over 50 faculty and
staff. Eight servers running OS/2 and IBM Lan Server Program were
installed to storee programs and data. The workstations were
installed using PC Lan Prrogramm (PCLP) rrunning under DOS 4.0 until
the applications develloped in-house can be ported to OS/2.
The programming efforts during the hardware installation phase were
to move the Novell Netware (version 4.61) based system to a PCLP
based system. In less than four months, a successful port was made.
This effort was even more impressive considering that it was done
by only one person,, pprogramming mostly in assembly language.
There were a few problems with the installation of the "J-Net"
system, but tuning for memory optimization solved most of these.
The largest and most serious problems came from an unanticipated
direction: the networking platform (Lan Server and PCLP) did not
work as expected and was extremely difficult to use.
To work out the problems, we used every information resource
avaiilable. Thee IBM class on Lan Server was little more than someone
reading the documentation. IBMLink reports, support answers, and
IBM internal documentation contained conflicting and inaccurate
information. Our atttempts to get to the developers to get some
answers, until quite recently, were unsuccessful. Quite by accident
we made two remarkable ddiscoveries: we weerre in fact beta testinng
the software which had no pre-ship program and that development's
"large" test system was 24 users -- less than one-tenth the size
of our system.
Much of our programming efforts to date have been to design into
our applications fixes for known bugs in the network software and
to develop applications-layer fault tolerance to guard against
losing data. These efforts are wasteful of our limited programming
resources, and to work effectively, fault tolerance should be
incorporated into the network software. In effect, we have been
building a home on a foundation of sand, and there are not enough
shovels here to solvee the problems.
The problems we have had can be divided into two categgories:
faiilures in the program to work as specifieed (buugs) and problems
using the program in a enterprise network.PROBLEMS
There are six OS/2-based servers using Lan Server and two DOS-based
PCLP servers. The DOS based servers have never crashed. We haave
averaged at least a crash per day of the OS/2 systems. Most of the
time, the causes of the crashes are indeterminatee, despite all thee
error messages. All of our systems except one are considered to be
"production;" that is unanticipated downtime seriously jeopardizes
the primary mission of the school.
Some of the problems we have found are:
* Spontaneous server shutdown. The server gives no error
messages, it just stops servicing requests from tthe
workstations.
* Spontaneous spooler shutdown. Jobs get "stuck" in the spoooler,
causing all output to be backed up until manual intervention.
* With a simultaneous logon of just six computers, four of tthem
will fail with the classic "Abort, Retry, Ignore" errror
message.
* Poor performance because of numerouss commpromises in the
netwwork setup file. On a dedicated Model 80 with 10 MB of
core, the system can only ssupport approximately 80 users using
a minimal number of connections.
* The attach/detach of a number of systems will eventuallly cause
errors when trying to use resources.
* The system gives error messages when in fact the operation
worked and vice-versa.
* Applications can crash the entire syssteem,, not just the
workstation.
* Spontaneous shutdown of the domain controller, preventing
loogin or access to new resources.
* Numerous errors when entering or deleting users on the server.
* Closing open files from the server can crash the entire system
for no apparent reason.
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Date: 12-17-89 (16:47) Number: 143
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: (N/A)
Subj: REVIEW, CONTINUTED.... Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
* The maximum limitations on many shared resources are
unrealistically small, e.g. The maximum number of files open
is 255 for the entire network. This means that each user can
use only two files, if anyone uses more, then someone else
cannot use the any files from the server.
* Computing the memory limitations, a manual process, must be
done every time a change is made to the network startup file
in order to prevent an obtuse error message.
* The server software must be reinstalled to change an eight
character name of the server, preventing a server from quickly
being substituted in case of failure.IMPLEMENTATION
Unfortunately, thee problems listed above are not the worst
obstacles facing IBM's network platform. There are major problems
in the implementation of Lan Server that, from a network manager's
perspective, make it almost unusable in all but the most rigid
environments. It is the most difficult to use system of any I have
seen, requiring more support manpower than it should.
Here is a list of the major problems inherent to the
implementation:
* The user interface is completely obtuse and conceptually
difficult to understand.
* The installation of the program is ludicrous. It expects
unrealistic low-level expertise to install . There are over
100 items in the server startup file. Insufficient and poorly
organized documentation compounds the problem.
* Tuning for optimal performance is a manual operation.
Insufficient reporting and diagnostics makes the tuning
procedure not much more than voodoo.
* The program makes static allocation of resources, which
aggravates poor performance in a dynamic environment.
* The domain controller is a single point of failure, greatly
enhancing the chances of a system-wide fault and requiring
manual recovery.
* The two-llevel security (ADMIN and USER) is useless. Few
organizations using a network have a two-level table of
organization.
* The SNA concepts and limitations forced on top of an
essentially peer-to-peer protocol system limits its usability
in all but the most hierarchical environments.
* The "Alias" access to the server is not consistently followed.
Aliae were intended to make the system easier to use and
remove a level of complexity from the end user. As
implemented, it does exactly the opposite.
* There is insufficient and poorly implemented access control
to resources.
* The "single system image," which would be Lan Server's
strongest point, is anything but. SSI, properly implemented
to give the network manager system-wide control from a central
location, could of itself save Lan Server from being a total
failure.
* The program ignores the fact that it is designed to run on the
most fault-tolerant hardware platform available. Fault
tolerance, not speed, is Token Ring's and IBM's strongest
selling point.
* Lan Server runs in an object-oriented environment, but does
not implement a network user interface that conceptually
treats aliae as objects. It instead forces the user to know
what type of resource an alias represents.
* There is no way to prevent a user from modifying the network
boot process. A network manager cannot make any assumptions
about the workstation environment when setting up
applications.
* There is no way to make multiple servers work like one server
to get around many of the limitations inherent to hardware.
* From an applications development standpoint, better support
from the DOS platform to manipulate OS/2 objects, such as
named semaphores is needed.
* Those using more than one operating system must have multiple
user IDs.
Furthermore, Lan Serverr does not consider the main functions of a
network administrator in aa distributed microcomputer environment.
OS/2 provides a platform with the ability to make the process of
network management an easy one. Processes such as remote
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Date: 12-17-89 (16:53) Number: 144
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: (N/A)
Subj: REVIEW, CONTINUED.... Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
workstation management, assistance from a central site,
workstation program revision control, resource accounting, problem
reporting, and on-line modification of applications would greatly
ease the burden of the network administrator.
Quite a bit of work is needed to make IBM Lan Server a usable and
desireable networking platform. Should IBM make the commitment to
solve this problem, the School of Journalism will put as much
effort as possible into aiding this effort. Unfortunately, should
IBM not decide to do so, it would be in both the schools and
journalism's best interests to use a different network operation
system. This would undoubtedly slow OS/2 application development,
a mutual goal of the project. We zealously urge IBM to enhance Lan
Server, as we do not wish to lose our investment in development.
The stabilizaation of the network is our top priority. We would like
to have someone within or as close as possible to development as
a primary contact to aid us. Once we can use the system without the
daily inconvenience of the servers crashing, we would like to
devote our time to improving the network platform, making it usable
in our installation, in the field of journalism, and on all
microcomputer networks.
By Harvey E. Summers
Systems Manager
School of Journalism
University of Missouri
October 11, 1989
IBM's Responce to our complaints about LAN server
by H. Summers
University of Missouri-Columbia School of Journalism
December 17, 1989
I would like to put the preceding complaints in context. In January
of this year, IBM and the J-School entered into a cooperative
agreement to assist each other in bringing more and better software
to the Journalism and Journalism Edcation fields. Our shcool is by
far the best in the nation (that is fact, not bragging) and has
some rather impressive computer achievements to date, thanks to
Phill Brooks and Brian Brooks (no relation).
Our contract with IBM with IBM calls for a yearly report on our
activities. WE believe that we also have an obligation to help IBM
improve its software so that it is more useable in the Journalism
field, as well as to the general user. The Lan Server review is one
such report to IBM.
In responce to our report, IBM has arranged for us to meet the
people who are making these decisions. They have assigned folks in
the support area to handle our problems one-on-one. Our local
office is working overtime (literally) to help us solve our
problems, and everyone involved from IBM has done their utmost to
solve the problem.
Things aren't moving as fast as we would like, but then I don't
think that they could. We at least know that IBM listened, and took
immediate steps to help us, all the way up to the corporate
headquaters.
We belive that OS/2 and Token Ring are the premier platform to
build our programss on. LAN Server has potential, but has yet to
realize it.
I uploaded my review (which was part of a larger document) to let
others know of the problems and to get imput on their ideas. I do
want to make it perfectly clear that this is a critism of a
product, not IBM. IBM has given us the support and service that far
surpasses what we expect from any other vendor.
Thanks to all within IBM for their help.
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Date: 12-17-89 (17:02) Number: 145
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: FAULT TOLERANCE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Fault Tolerance: A requirement for networking
A short history
The term Fault Tolerance (FT) entered the world of networking in
1985 when Novell advertised "system fault tolerant" (SFT) Netware
with much hoopla. They defined three levels of SFT: level I was
fixed disk fault detection and recovery, level II was mirrored disk
drrive and controllers to eliminate disk failure, and level III was
full server mirroring to eliminate server failure. Levels I and II
were quickly achieved. Level III has yet to reach the market.
A brief market analysis
Although LANs are now growing in excess of 1000 workstations in a
single LAN, two years ago the average LAN was less than 40
workstations. Given the fiscal requirements to install a TF system,
most installations could not meet the break-even cost requirements
and manage the additional complexity of a FT network. Novell was
wiser to work on endeavors that would pay off better, such as 386
and Portable Netware. Novell had an additional technical problem
that had not been solved: a medium-to-low cost adapter that met or
exceeded the throughput of the local system to the degree that the
adapter could be used to link servers together without seriously
degrading performance.
Token Ring 16/4, the perfect solution
The first TR adapters were barely adequate for cost effective
networking, with a throughput that seriously damaged IBMs
reputation in the networking community. However, the TR 16/4 card
is one of the best network adapters available today. Token Ring
(802.3) protocols do what no other network adapter does: guarantee
error-free delivery of the network packet at the hardware level.
Although TR has more overhead than other adapters, it reduces the
software overhead. Since the overhead is at the hardware level, it
also is processed much faster. Raw TR throughput is on par with
most fixed disk adapters.
Hardware is only one-third of the platform
Unlike Novell which runs on over 30 different network adapters,
IBM's LAN Server runs on only one: Token Ring. This should have
made it easier for IBM to concentrate its efforts on exploiting the
feature of the token ring. Instead, IBM ignored every feature of
the adapter, writing a mediocre driver that fails to even
outperform an Ethernet adapter. Novell also has the jump on IBM in
that it has committed to SFT level III. This is why Novell owns
over 85% of the LAN market.
Novell's preeminence of the network market is a serious impediment
to IBM's OS/2. Novell has all but stopped development in the OS/2
areea, concentrating it instead on more lucrative endeavors. OS/2
is IBMs solution to enterprise-wide cooperate networking. IBM's own
Lan Server supports OS/2, but has serious problems in its
implementation. Without major improvements to the LAN software
platform, OS/2 may be passed by in favor of AIX for advanced
networking solutions.
Operating Systems: the key to advanced network designs
PC-DOS is a single-user OS that most of the LANs today are based
around. Essentially these network systems make the network look
like a local device. Minicomputer operating systems such as myriad
varieties of Unix, VMS, and others have kludged together network
standards such as NFS and TCP/IP based on the lowest common
denominator. While this has promoted connectivity, it has been a
poor fit at best. IBM uses SNA on its larger systems, a hierarchial
protocol which does not even mesh well with its own LAN standard,
NETBIOS. Only OS/2, which is still evolving and has many hooks to
network features, has the hope of being molded into a useable
network OS to solve the problems of today's network managers.
Advanced operating systems that wish to be successful in a network
environment must address the needs of a dynamic, diverse
multisystem. Problems such as fault tolerance, backup, security,
data ownership, problem assistance, diagnostics, and program
environment must be solved both on the local as well as the remote
levels.
A fault tolerance design
To duplex servers in a token ring environment, put two TR adapters
in each server. Connect each of the primary adapters to the ring,
designating in the network server software which is the primary and
which is the backup. Connect the secondary adapters together using
a special direct connect cable. Put the servers on separate power
circuits if possible. Have the server to server communication over
the secondary line, but acknowledge the communications over the
primary ring to verify the primary ring integrity. The secondary
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Date: 12-17-89 (17:06) Number: 146
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: (N/A)
Subj: FUALT TOLERANCE, CONTINUE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
circuits if possible. Have the server to server communication over
the secondary line, but acknowledge the communications over the
primary ring to verify the primary ring integrity. The secondary
server could also service program read requests, increasing network
thhroughput. If the primary connection is broken, the secondary
takes over. If one of the servers fail, the other takes over.
Automatic resynchronization should occur when the failing element
is put back on-line. On a well-designed ring, this should all but
eliminate downtime due to server failure.
Opinions?
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Date: 12-19-89 (11:58) Number: 147
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: TOM HOLLOWAY Read: (N/A)
Subj: UK NETWORK FOR DISABLED Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
.
The CHATBACK conference of 35 Lecturers and Managers of Access
Centres around the UK which met at the IBM Support Centre for
People with Disabilities at Warwick, on 8th December, confirmed
the following guidelines for the Chatback Further Education
Network:
.
AIM
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To lay the foundations for a network for people with
disabilities, based on publicly available FIDO-Net PC-Hosts
.
SCOPE
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* providing access to Higher Education, Further Education
and Continuing Education to people who are prevented or
discouraged by disability, wherever they may be
.
* making sources of information about rights, technology,
funding and employment available to disabled people
.
* encouraging the formation of self-help groups by disabled
people for mutual support
.
EXTENT
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Each of the following has, or will have, a PC-XT acting as
a node in the network:
.
FOCUS UK, Droitwich (NET-HOST, 2:253/158 in the Matrix)
Polytechnic of Central London's Computer Centre for the Disabled
Hereward FE College Access Centre, Coventry
Oldham College of FE Access Centre
Blackpool and Fylde FE College Access Centre
Wrexham FE College Technology Centre
Hull and Humberside Access Centre
Bradford and Ilkley Community College Access Centre
Motherwell FE College, Glasgow Disabled Students Centre
Brunel Technical College Special Needs Centre, Bristol
Trinity College Disabled Students Centre, Dublin
Hampshire IT Project, Southampton Institute
MENCAP/Middlesborough Social Services
Walsall Technical College IT Centre
Advisory Centre in Education, Oxford
St George's Hospital Communication Aids Centre, Lincoln
.
In addition we have received expressions of interest from:
.
Papworth Trust Assessment Centre
Edinburgh Disabled Peoples Coalition
The University of Dundee
Witham Information Technology Centre (ITEC)
Chichester Technical College
.
FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT TOM HOLLOWAY ON FIDO-NET 2:253/158
OR ON DIALCOM 10001:CLK001 OR TELEPHONE (44) 926-332525.
.
Date: 12-19-89 (15:27) Number: 148
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: DANA STAAB Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: ARCNET CARD Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
A friend has 'inherited' some old 8-bit ARCNET cards and needs some info
on setting the jumpers and DIP switches. The cards are printed with
Standard Microsystems Corp. and Compupro Viasyn Corp., with copyright
dates of 1983 to 1986. Any help with these will be appreciated. Also,
what networking software can he run on an XT using these cards? (Sure,
it's old technology, but it still works and it's paid for.)
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Date: 12-19-89 (15:48) Number: 149
To: DANA STAAB Refer#: 148
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: NO
Subj: ARCNET CARD Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I'm going to need a bit more info. Where are the DIP switches, how are
they labeled, how big is the card, is there an LED, etc.
Most SMCs come with one or two DIPs One of them always sets the
netwwork address, which MUST be unique. The other sets things like
network delays and such. The jumpers don't do much that the user should
mess with. they are generally set to IRQ 2.
Date: 12-20-89 (09:59) Number: 150
To: DANA STAAB Refer#: 148
From: TOM KADLEC Read: NO
Subj: ARCNET CARD Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
>A friend has 'inherited' some old 8-bit ARCNET cards and needs some
info
>on setting the jumpers and DIP switches. The cards are printed with
>Standard Microsystems Corp. and Compupro Viasyn Corp., with copyright
>dates of 1983 to 1986. Any help with these will be appreciated.
I'm not sure where the switches are on that card, but all the SMC cards
I have ever seen have the same setup regardless of where the switches
are. There should be 2 sets of switches - one with 10 dips and one Θth
8 dips. The 8-dip switch is the netword (or RIM) address. These should
be labeled 1 thru 8. Each of the dips represent a bit in the 1-byte
(8-bit) network address. The dip labeled 1 is the low order bit.
Pushing down/toward the OPEN/OFF (depending on how your card is labeled)
is a 1, ON/CLOSED is 0. So, to set a network address of decimal 129
(octal 201, hex 81), set the switches thus:
8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 <--- Dip switch number
x x OPEN/OFF (1)
x x x x x x CLOSED/ON (0)
1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
The second switch block defines the RIM buffer memory address and the
I/O port. SMC uses I/O ports for passing data to the network. The
standard setting is 2E0 with memory buffer address D000. Memory buffer
addresses on the SMC card are limited to starting on a 64K boundary.
Usually, D000 is safe. (If you have questions about that, let me know
and I'll clarify further.)
The switches on this block are labeled 1 thru 0 where 0 stands for 10.
Switches 7, 8, 9 and 0 are used for the memory buffer address, that is,
the x000 setting. The meaning of the dips is as above (OPEN/OFF = 1).
To set for D000, set OPEN/OFF, OPEN/OFF, CLOSED/ON, OPEN/OFF for 7, 8,
9, 0 respectively (I'll draw a picture in a minute). Dips 1 thru 6
should be set for I/O port 2E0 in the following pattern - OPEN/OFF,
CLOSED/ON, OPEN/OFF, OPEN/OFF, OPEN/OFF, CLOSED/ON. The switches would
look like (note that these read the opposite of the network address -
that is, we start with dip 1 and work toward dip 0 rather than from 8
to 1):
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 <--- Dip Switch Number
x x x CLOSED/ON (0)
x x x x x x x OPEN/OFF (1)
1 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 0
| | | |
2E0 D000
The interrupt level is usually a jumper, either labeled with the actual
interrupt values (2, 3, 4, 5, 7) or 1 thru 5 which correspond to the
interrupts 2, 3, 4, 5, 7. The standard interrupt is 2.
Date: 12-20-89 (10:17) Number: 151
To: DANA STAAB Refer#: 148
From: TOM KADLEC Read: 12-22-89 (10:22)
Subj: ARCNET CARD Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
>Also, what networking software can he run on an XT using these cards?
>(Sure, it's old technology, but it still works and it's paid for.)
.
.
There's quite a bit of network software out there. 2 or 3 come to mind
immediately. NOVELL supports the SMC ARCNET card (if you're running a
NOVELL, highly unlikely considering the name of this board). You can
run IBM PC LAN program on this puppy IF you set it up correctly. There
is a NETBIOS available from Performance Technology in San Antonio Tx
(home of the original developer of ARCNET). You load their NETBIOS and
then start PC LAN Program. I've done this and it works quite well.
They also sell a LAN package that is compatible with the IBM offerings -
including OS/2 LAN Server 1.1. (I've also run this.) It has some
limitations when working with OS/2 LAN Server but these can be overcome.
.
You can contact Performance Technology at (512)349-2000 for info. If
you need/want more information than I provided here, leave a message and
I'll be glad to get back to you.
Date: 12-20-89 (10:33) Number: 152
To: SYSOP Refer#: NONE
From: LELA ARMSTRONG Read: 12-22-89 (09:44)
Subj: ZIP FILES Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I'm exicted about your BBS, this look like an opportunity to get the
answers to OS/2 LAN guestions. I was told that the HP laserII drivers
were available here for download, and I found the IBM 4019 drvrs.
Was my information inaccurate or am not looking in the
right place?
1)B Last
s you can see I need to master this editor.
Last question: I use pkarc, but am not familiar with .ZIP files.
Can you tell me which files I need to decompress and/or run .ZIP
files. Thanks
Date: 12-20-89 (11:38) Number: 153
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 145
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 12-20-89 (18:56)
Subj: FAULT TOLERANCE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Harvey: FYI. The LAN Server 1.2 will include support for the 3 brands
of Ethernet adapters that we announced EE 1.2 support for several months
ago. The brands and models escape me at the moment.
The EE 1.2 announcement letter lists 14 IBM network adapters,
including Token Ring, Broadband, and Baseband models (for PCs and
PS/2s). Granted, these are all IBM adapters, but there are at least 20
Net adapters supported (including the 6 OEM Ethernet cards) by EE 1.2.
I assume that if EE 1.2 supports them then LS 1.2 must also (since it
works through EE to get to the adapters). This isn't quite as bad as
only supporting a few IBM TR cards.
Also, just because IBM only certifies 6 OEM EN cards doesn't mean that
dozens of others won't work just as well (as long as they are compatible
with the 3 brands that we have tested).
I realize that you are merely commenting on the existing product (LS
1.0), but I wanted to mention this info for those who have not seen
either version. I don't want them to get scared off by something that
will be much less of a problem in only 3 months. Mark.
Date: 12-20-89 (15:01) Number: 154
To: LELA ARMSTRONG Refer#: 152
From: BRIAN HUFFMAN Read: NO
Subj: ZIP FILES Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Lela,
The only printer driver we have on our board is used with the IBM
Laser printer. The HP Laser11 requires another driver. Concerning your
last question, use the file PKZ102.exe to unzip your files. PKZ102.exe
is available for download in file directory #6. I hope this info will
help!
Brian Huffman-Cosysop
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Date: 12-20-89 (18:49) Number: 155
To: TOM KADLEC Refer#: 151
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 01-12-90 (08:02)
Subj: ARCNET 2 NODE SUPPORT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I've got a ARCNET network two user system FREEBIE (demo) on my system at
314-882-4711. Along with tons of netowrk utils. 2400/n/8/1, feel free to
call.
Date: 12-20-89 (18:54) Number: 156
To: LELA ARMSTRONG Refer#: 152
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: NO
Subj: ZIP FILES Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
According to the 5 DEC announcement, OS/2 printer drivers are availible
on this system. I'd like to see more than one, but I'm not sure *which*
one was promised. You have the right place, but you may be ahead of your
time.
The ZIP format requires PKZ10x-x.EXE The x's should be twos, but the one
release will also work. I think the file is availible on the board. Jump
to the user group area, and THEN look for the file (J 8 [enter] Z PKZ
[enter])
good luck!
P.S. I'm not a sysop, just happened across your msg first! Let me know
if you need help with Lan Server.
Date: 12-20-89 (18:56) Number: 157
To: MARK CHAPMAN Refer#: 153
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 02-01-90 (18:04)
Subj: FAULT TOLERANCE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
You are absolutly right. I was speaking about the development rational
of LS 1.0 (if there was one). I hope that the 16Mb TR card will
outperform the Ethernet cards, or someone has some explaining to do!
Date: 12-20-89 (23:48) Number: 158
To: LELA ARMSTRONG Refer#: 152
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: NO
Subj: ZIP FILES Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Lela: HP hasn't given us the LJII drivers yet. We should have them
sometime next month. We'll make announcement to that effect when they
are available. I hope this helps. Good luck. Mark.
Date: 12-20-89 (23:52) Number: 159
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 157
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 12-21-89 (18:17)
Subj: FAULT TOLERANCE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Harvey: I hope the TRN cards outperform the EN cards also. A recent
PC Week article benchmarked the two on a Novell network, and the EN card
won. They said it was because of poorly written drivers for the TRN
card. Novell has since improved the drivers (but I haven't seen any new
benchmarks). Let's hope the IBM-written drivers are better than the
Novell-written ones! Mark.
Date: 12-22-89 (10:22) Number: 160
To: TOM KADLEC Refer#: 151
From: DANA STAAB Read: 01-12-90 (08:02)
Subj: ARCNET CARD Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Thanks for the reply, Tom. I'll pass this on and if my friend wants or
needs further information, I'll have him log on here and ask.
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Date: 12-23-89 (11:57) Number: 161
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 139
From: GARY ABBOTT Read: 12-23-89 (17:53)
Subj: QEMM386 PROBLEMS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I can't move the Token Ring ROM to C000, because my video BIOSs are
there, both on EGA & VGA machines. Also, I don't need the DXM drivers -
my network software handles the card without their use, so I don't have
to lose the additional memory. Finally, I don't want to convert to OS/2,
because none of my applications run under it. Perhaps in 1990 ...
Date: 12-23-89 (12:31) Number: 162
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 157
From: GARY ABBOTT Read: 12-23-89 (18:01)
Subj: FAULT TOLERANCE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
The performance issue with Token Ring 16 does not appear to be limited
just to inefficient IBM drivers - or else everyone is writing
inefficient drivers. I use Banyan VINES, which supports a number of
Ethernet and the Token Ring cards directly. I have proved to my
satisfaction that Ethernet clearly outperforms Token Ring 16. Mind you,
(H)elp, End of Message Command? ns
Date: 12-23-89 (17:53) Number: 163
To: GARY ABBOTT Refer#: 161
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 12-24-89 (16:57)
Subj: QEMM386 PROBLEMS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Move the RAM/ROM areas away from D0000-DFFFF areas for better
performance. Trust me and try it!
Date: 12-23-89 (18:01) Number: 164
To: GARY ABBOTT Refer#: 162
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 12-24-89 (17:01)
Subj: FAULT TOLERANCE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
IBM cabled my installation. I have 13 Miles of copper, a kilometer of
fiber, 600+ drops in five buildings and 275 connected computers.
Performance isn't what it should be, but I have yet to have a cabling
problems that I couldn't find in five minutes. All of the problems I
have had were fixed within a week of the install.
I have worked with Ethernet, arcnet, S-net, G-net, Corvus (O-Net), and
about a dozen non-standards. Token Ring has been the most reliable
system yet. I have heard stories like yours though, and can't explain
why there are problems (I do believe you though).
Date: 12-24-89 (17:01) Number: 165
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 164
From: GARY ABBOTT Read: 12-26-89 (18:09)
Subj: FAULT TOLERANCE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
One of the other things I discovered about Token Ring; don't let your
users plug in their own cables. At least stop them when you can. A
popular thing at my data center is to rearrange your office and replug
your Token Ring cable into any available 9 pin port. Some people have 9
pin serial ports, a la ATs. It brings the entire ring down and very
quickly, too, I might add.
Date: 12-26-89 (18:09) Number: 166
To: GARY ABBOTT Refer#: 165
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 01-06-90 (10:31)
Subj: FAULT TOLERANCE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I had one user do that. I hung him with a type 6 cable (type 1 won't
work FYI, min. bend radius get in the way.) and haven't had a problem
since. <grin>
Date: 12-27-89 (12:14) Number: 167
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: (N/A)
Subj: ENNE AWARDS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Please read the msg in the main board about the ENNEs if you are
networking. It is well worth your time!
Date: 01-04-90 (21:37) Number: 168
To: REID BYERS Refer#: 127
From: JAMES GERBER Read: NO
Subj: QEMM386 PROBLEMS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Your problem with QEMM and Token ring is fixable. If you have a
microchannel PS/2, you must change the RAM address usingg the REFERENCE
diskette. It is probably D800 and the ROM is CC00. Change the RAM to
C800 so it is in the same page as the ROM. If you don't have
microchannel skip this step.
Then edit your CONFIG.SYS file. On the DEVICE=QEMM.SYS line, add the
parameter X=C800-CFFF
There are three lines for TOKEN RING drivers. On the line for the
second one, add the parameter ,C800 note that there MUSST be a space
between the end of the file name of the driver and the comma
The reason for this is that the Token Ring card has an unusual way of
allocating RAM and the QEMM driver can't automatically tell where it
is.
Let me know if you need more info.
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Date: 01-04-90 (21:37) Number: 169
To: ED FISHER Refer#: 128
From: JAMES GERBER Read: 01-05-90 (08:36)
Subj: QEMM386 Problems Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Quarterdeck has a tech memo on Token Ring and it's posted on
Compu$erve but I'm sure they'll send it to you if you call.
I use it all the time and it's fantastic for Token Ring users. You
can load the drivers in high memory (between 640K and 1 meg) and get a
LOT more DOS memory for hooggy programs
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Date: 01-04-90 (21:38) Number: 170
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 139
From: JAMES GERBER Read: 01-06-90 (15:37)
Subj: QEMM386 PROBLEMS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Harveeyy, I run the DX modules in high memory all the time using QEMM
386 and NEVER have a lockup. The secret is to tell the second module
where the RAM is even on a PS/2 ...
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Date: 01-06-90 (15:37) Number: 171
To: JAMES GERBER Refer#: 170
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 01-12-90 (22:33)
Subj: QEMM386 PROBLEMS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
>Harveeyy, I run the DX modules in high memory all the time using QEMM
>386 and NEVER have a lockup. The secret is to tell the second module
>where the RAM is even on a PS/2 ...
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Thanks for the info. If you would send me that info (FAX 314-882-9002) I
would appricate it.
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Date: 01-09-90 (17:26) Number: 172
To: SYSOP Refer#: NONE
From: MICHAEL POMERLEAU Read: 01-10-90 (13:11)
Subj: OS/2 LAN SERVER CONFIGURA Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I have an all IBM enviroment with a Mod 80 server running OS/2 EE 1.1
and OS/2 Lan Server 1.0 CSD 3060. Have just gotten new PS/2's and now
can no longer live with defaults. Have been unable to setup successful
Requestors1ATE1V1X4Q0&C1&D2
configuration for 15 PCLP 1.3 Workstations, 4 OS/2 Requistors, and 2
Remote Netbios Async (modem) PS/2's. I have tried the IBM branch SE, IBM
Link, and IBM Level 1 Support. I've gotten lots of advice, found all
about the Lan Server Manual errors, Missing Scratch Memory Formula,etc.
But there are still so many conflicts in samples and advice such that I
can't get a successful configuration between OS/2 Config.sys, 802.2 ,
Netbios, and Ibmlan.ini! Can anybody help with a custom configuration?
Date: 01-09-90 (22:09) Number: 173
To: MICHAEL POMERLEAU Refer#: 172
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 03-08-90 (15:36)
Subj: OS/2 LAN SERVER CONFIGURA Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I can help you. Give me a call at 314-882-0847, or call my SE at
314-876-4400. You can also address you message on IBMLINK to Puala L.
and ask for a callback.
Check some things:
1) is the CFG file pointers for lan server set to \CMLIB\ACSCFGUS.CFG
and is this file set up with the 802.2 and NETBIOS parameters?
2) are you using Base or Extended services?
3) What are your INI parameters?
4) What is the error message(s) f╠q╝«rom NET ERROR?
5) Is your current PCLP version 1.32? Lan Support 1.11 and DOS 4.0
26nnn?
Oh, My SE's name is Phillip Wilson and he knows as much as I about Lan
Server. I'm in 9-6 CDT. Good luck
Date: 01-10-90 (15:57) Number: 174
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: JAMES SULLIVAN Read: (N/A)
Subj: REMOTE NETBIOS 2.1 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I would be interested in talking with anyone who has worked with IBM's
Remote Netbios v2.1 running at 9600 on a Token Ring or PC Network.
215-687-2995
Date: 01-11-90 (18:13) Number: 175
To: BRUCE WALLMAN Refer#: NONE
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 01-11-90 (22:51)
Subj: OS/2 LAN SERVER AND MACS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
You should put this question in area 12!
I have the same problem (Univ of MO J-School) with Macs and PS/2's. You
really have two real alternatives. 1) Go with Netware as the Network OS.
Lan Server is a DOG (see my critique in area 12) and should be shot if
you rely on the system to any degree. 2)If all you want is FTP and
Printing, connect the Datastar Appletalk board in a PC w/ and Token Ring
card. This will allow printing. Brooklyn Bridge (I think) makes a
PC-to-MAC connection via the serial port. You could probably automate
the xfer with a batch file loop.
OK, it IS sloppy. But it should work. It is the best way I've come up
with so far.
Date: 01-24-90 (08:50) Number: 178
To: DANIEL-TOULAN P0027NY Refer#: 11
From: BUD BECHTEL Read: 01-25-90 (01:11)
Subj: Welcome Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
We're using the Intel 386 Inboard on several XT's here and it works
perfectly so far and it's also on our TR LAN. Thought you might like a
testemonial from a satisfied user......Bud
Date: 01-24-90 (09:13) Number: 179
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: BUD BECHTEL Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: PC-LAN SERVER TUNING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I've got a 30-user TR using pclan 1.3 at all stations including the file
server. The system includes a 3270 3.0 g'way. The workstations are a mix
of XT's and PS/2's. I'm running into limits of users and sessions on the
file server and don't understand the pclan 1.3 doc's well enough to know
how to tune lan supp 1.2 and pclan 1.3. Could someone help me define
the parameters required for the dmxt0 call in config.sys and the net
start call in my net start .bat file? I'm so confused about stations and
sessions, etc. that I don't know what nrs to put in. The ring is all 4M
cards and, oh BTW, the file server is also functioning as a print server
but is otherwise dedicated as a server...no workstation activities
except for a late evening tape backup. Sure would appreciate some help.
Bud
Date: 01-24-90 (09:18) Number: 180
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 117
From: BUD BECHTEL Read: 01-25-90 (22:37)
Subj: SERVER DOCUMENTATION Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Harvey, is there a similar cookbook to help lan novices like myself tune
a dos 3.3/pclan 1.3 file server? I sure could use some understandable
help in this are...se my msg 179....Bud
Date: 01-25-90 (22:36) Number: 181
To: BUD BECHTEL Refer#: 179
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 02-02-90 (13:32)
Subj: PC-LAN SERVER TUNING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Sure I'll help. Tell me this:
How much memory in the server?
What type of adapter card?
How many nodes?
How many users?
Typical apps?
I'm in Chicago tonight-- and don't have my stuff with me. I may have
more questions. Also, in the August '89 LAN Mag there is a great article
summing up the options. Good luck
Date: 01-25-90 (22:37) Number: 182
To: BUD BECHTEL Refer#: 180
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 02-07-90 (08:47)
Subj: SERVER DOCUMENTATION Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Yes there is. I don't have the order number at hand, but your local IBM
office should and IBMLINK does. IF you can't find it, let me know and
I'll look it up.
Date: 01-27-90 (00:12) Number: 183
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: DAVID MCANALLY Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: PC TCP/IP & ETHERLINK/MC Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Has anyone been able to get IBM's PC TCP/IP to work on a Model 70 PS/2
and 3-COM's Etherlink/MC (3C523) adapter? I get good results from
3-COM's diagnostics test 1 & 2. I seem to get PC TCP/IP configured to
talk to it though. My base I/O add. is 300, interupt is 3. I've tried
both 0 and 1 send/receive channels.
Any ideas would be appreciated.
Date: 01-27-90 (23:07) Number: 184
To: DAVID MCANALLY Refer#: 183
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 01-28-90 (20:20)
Subj: PC TCP/IP & ETHERLINK/MC Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
David: I don;t know the answer to your question, but you remeinded me
that last week IBM announced TCP/IP for OS/2. I don't remember the
particulars (price, availability date, ect), but thought I'd mention it
for anyone who might be interested. Mike Austin should be able to
upload the announcement as a bulletin, if anyone is interested. Hope
this helps. Good luck. Mark.
Date: 01-28-90 (20:20) Number: 185
To: MARK CHAPMAN Refer#: 184
From: DAVID MCANALLY Read: 02-01-90 (18:05)
Subj: PC TCP/IP & ETHERLINK/MC Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Yea, I saw the OS/2 TCP/IP announcement on IBMLINK. It looks like a good
package except they left off NFS support. Can't have everything I guess.
I look forward to trying it out, assuming OS/2 EE 1.20 and TCP/IP are
available after March as announced.
Date: 01-29-90 (16:03) Number: 186
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: STEPHEN LUCKETT Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: HELP,HELP OS/2 T.R. LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
We need some help with the very basics... as we are continually getting
conflicting (read bad) advice from our (would you believe) authorized
dealers!
We want to put up a small (to start) LAN with the IBM OS/2 based LAN
token ring program with some DOS 3.3 workstations. Can you please let us
know exactly which software we should be asking for? We have variously
been told that it can't/shouldn't be done, that all we need is an add-in
for the OS/2 or that we need some $5,000 package for the server. We
also can't get a straight answer on what we need on the DOS
workstations.
We will be running this on 16/4 Token ring cards using a Model 70-A21
with 6meg memory as the brains running OS/2 EE 1.1 and Model 50Z's as
the workstations. We're not afraid of spending money (after all, we are
running all IBM aren't we?) but we really would like to know what IBM
products we should be ordering. (Part numbers would really help.)
Any help is really appreciated.
Regards
Steve Luckett
Date: 01-29-90 (19:01) Number: 187
To: STEPHEN LUCKETT Refer#: 186
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 01-30-90 (10:38)
Subj: HELP,HELP OS/2 T.R. LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Here is what you need:
Server: Lan Server Program, OS/2 EE 1.1
OS/2 Installation and Customization (red book, "G" order number)
Workstations: Lan Support Program 1.11, PC LAN Support Program 1.32
The LATEST DOS PTF
A couple of notes: It can be done, but you save memory by using DOS
4.02.
You need LSP and PCLP for each computer.
Unless this is a test LAN, you are better off with a DOS PCLP server.
Lan Server is STILL unstable.
You will need OS/2 CSD 3072.
Date: 01-30-90 (08:18) Number: 188
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: NONE
From: ED FISHER Read: 01-30-90 (19:03)
Subj: LAN + DOS 4.0 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Harv,
Could you elaborate your comment about saving memory with DOS 4.01?
When I'm connected to the LAN with DOS 4.01 I have less available than
when I use DOS 3.3.
Is there something I'm doing wrong?
ESF
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Date: 01-30-90 (10:38) Number: 189
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 187
From: STEPHEN LUCKETT Read: 01-30-90 (19:07)
Subj: HELP,HELP OS/2 T.R. LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
We are having some difficulty trying to get prices on the software that
we need. Could you supply names and part numbers for all the products
required to set up an OS/2 based server and a DOS based server.
Thanks.
Date: 01-30-90 (13:00) Number: 190
To: DAVID MCANALLY Refer#: 185
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 02-01-90 (11:38)
Subj: PC TCP/IP & ETHERLINK/MC Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
David: TCP/IP is scheduled for the same ship date as EE 1.2; so as long
as EE 1.2 doesn't slip past 3/30/90.... <grin> Good luck. Mark.
Date: 01-30-90 (13:05) Number: 191
To: STEPHEN LUCKETT Refer#: 189
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 01-30-90 (13:46)
Subj: HELP,HELP OS/2 T.R. LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Stephen: The prices for most (if not all) the products Harvey mentioned
should be in Bulletin 7(?) on this board. The document hasn't been
updated recently, but none of the LAN software prices have changed that
I know of. Bear in mind that these are the list prices, and dealer
prices are often considerably less. I hope this helps. Good luck.
Mark.
P.S. If you are not familiar with looking at bulletins, just type B at
any main command line on this board. That will give you a list to
choose from.
Date: 01-30-90 (14:49) Number: 192
To: MARK CHAPMAN Refer#: 191
From: KEVIN WAKEMAN Read: 02-01-90 (18:05)
Subj: HELP,HELP OS/2 T.R. LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Could not find prices or part numbers for DOS based LAN server or LAN
program (DOS based) just in case we decide to go fully DOS. Also, is
there a part no. for the "red book "G"" that was mentioned in the
original note.
Thanks.
Kevin Wakeman.
Date: 01-30-90 (19:03) Number: 193
To: ED FISHER Refer#: 188
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 01-31-90 (08:39)
Subj: LAN + DOS 4.0 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
DOS 3.3 requires several drivers which user MORE memory than 4.0
according to some IBM manual that I read. Apperantly, the retrofit of
some of the functions use more K than just building it in to start. the
differance was on the order of 12K. If it works, you're doing fine
though.
Date: 01-30-90 (19:06) Number: 194
To: STEPHEN LUCKETT Refer#: 189
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 02-23-90 (09:02)
Subj: HELP,HELP OS/2 T.R. LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
The names are in the above message. I don't pay retail for the products
being an education institution, and don't have the slightest idea where
to find part nos. I just ask my IBM SE for the item I need. His name is
Phillip Wilson, and the IBM office phone is 314-876-4400. I'm sure he
would help you.
Date: 01-30-90 (19:07) Number: 195
To: STEPHEN LUCKETT Refer#: 189
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 02-23-90 (09:02)
Subj: HELP,HELP OS/2 T.R. LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Why are you having so many problems getting this info? I really curious
as to why the local IBM office can't help you.
Date: 01-30-90 (19:09) Number: 196
To: KEVIN WAKEMAN Refer#: 192
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 02-02-90 (14:01)
Subj: HELP,HELP OS/2 T.R. LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
There is no DOS-based LAN Server. PC LAN Program can be set up as a
server or a workstation with no additional product. The red book order
number is gg24-3402-00.
Date: 02-01-90 (08:19) Number: 197
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 181
From: BUD BECHTEL Read: 02-01-90 (19:48)
Subj: PC-LAN SERVER TUNING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
IBM PS/2-60 is the server on a TR LAN consisting of 30 workstations, the
server and a 3270 gateway. The only application being served at the
moment is M/U Foxbase and that's only being tested by me. The principal
use of the server is print serving and file storage. The server has a
4Mb TR card as do all the LAN stations. All other stations are rdr's.
The dxmt0mod.sys params are: c=12 n=7 s=34 st=34 and the net start
params are: /shr:12 /ses:34 /cmd:12 /rdr:30 /srv:1 /tsi:26 /exm /cac:512
The system has 2M of memory. I hope this helps. The above params were
just installed yesterday in an effort to improve performance and allow
all of the users onto the server. I really don't quite know how to test
the system. Tnx for your offer of help.....Bud
Date: 02-01-90 (17:55) Number: 198
To: KEVIN WAKEMAN Refer#: 192
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 02-02-90 (14:00)
Subj: HELP,HELP OS/2 T.R. LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Kevin: There *is* no DOS-based LAN Server program. Just the PC LAN
Program (PCLP) V1.3, that has been out for a year or so now. That P/N
and price is is listed just below the LAN Server in the Network Software
section of the Parts/Pricing document (as are the LAN Manager program,
Async Connection Server, LAN Support Program, Token-Ring Network Trace &
Performance Program, TRN Bridge Program, and NetView/PC. Did I miss
something, or were you just not looking in the right place?
I hope this helps. Good luck. Mark.
Date: 02-01-90 (18:02) Number: 199
To: KEVIN WAKEMAN Refer#: 192
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 02-02-90 (14:01)
Subj: HELP,HELP OS/2 T.R. LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Kevin: Sorry, I forgot to answer your last question. I don't know the
number of the book Harvey mentioned (I'm not even sure which book he is
talking about). But I don't work with networks on a daily basis, so I'm
sure I'm not familiar with ALL the network pubs. I imagine Harvey can
give you the number next time he reads his messages. Sorry I couldn't
help more. Good luck. Mark.
Date: 02-01-90 (19:48) Number: 200
To: BUD BECHTEL Refer#: 197
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 02-02-90 (13:32)
Subj: PC-LAN SERVER TUNING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
You should up the S= to ST+4 (the server itself uses sessions) and cac
should be set to use as much memory as you have. Do NOT use IBMCACHE and
cac, and there is a conflict. You can optimize print performance but
upping the buffer size. Unless you are running an app at the server
(dumb), set the tsi to 19, or dedicate it entirely. Fastopen helps, but
can corrupt files if the server crashes. I'll look in the book and give
you some more info.
Date: 02-02-90 (13:31) Number: 201
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 200
From: BUD BECHTEL Read: 02-03-90 (01:14)
Subj: PC-LAN SERVER TUNING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Tnx Harvey..I got the name of a pub on IBMLink called LAN Server Guide
with the nr of GG24-3338 and eanother one -3267 . Do you know if
these are at all what I'm looking for as reference? BTW, I get an
occasional 'Stack Overflow' and system hang on the server, usually
overnight. Any clue?
Date: 02-02-90 (17:01) Number: 202
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: MIKE ALMOND Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: DLC - SAPs Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I am writing a device driver that communicates with the DLC layer via
ccb3 calls. The driver works fine until I load the LAN Server software.
At this point I am unable to obtain a SAP from the DLC. It would appear
that LAN Server has grabbed all the resources.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Mike Almond
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Date: 02-03-90 (01:14) Number: 203
To: BUD BECHTEL Refer#: 201
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 02-07-90 (08:38)
Subj: PC-LAN SERVER TUNING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Stack Overflow, huh? DOS 3.x, right? Add the stack=128,256 parameter to
the config.sys. Also, what kind of EMS are you using? The stack overflow
error is typical of many EMS drivers on a system with many interupts.
Lan Server is an OS/2 product. What you want is the IBM PC LAN
Installation and Tuning guide (or something like that)
Date: 02-03-90 (01:18) Number: 204
To: MIKE ALMOND Refer#: 202
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 02-09-90 (18:08)
Subj: DLC - SAPs Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Whew! Hard core, eh? Lan Server is allocated resources from the
communications manager. Check Afvanced setup to see what is reserved.
I'm not familure with ccb3 calls, although I do have the arch ref here.
Lan Server is BBB. (buggy beyond belief)
Date: 02-04-90 (23:12) Number: 205
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 196
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 02-05-90 (18:07)
Subj: HELP,HELP OS/2 T.R. LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Harvey: What's the official name of that "red book"? So I can update
the PS/2 Assistant to add that book. Thanks. Mark.
Date: 02-05-90 (18:07) Number: 206
To: MARK CHAPMAN Refer#: 205
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 02-08-90 (13:11)
Subj: HELP,HELP OS/2 T.R. LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
IBM OS/2 Lan Server Version 1.0 Planning, Installation and Customization
Buggy, buggy, buggy.....Buggy! (to paraphrase a song that was popular in
the early 70's)
Date: 02-06-90 (18:32) Number: 207
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: (N/A)
Subj: WHOEVER CALLED ME Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Someone left a message on my secrataries phone mail. IT was slightly
garbled, and of course we couldn't make out the name or the phone
number. I think the called was from Pennsylvania. Please call me again,
or leave a message here. I will be at Networld next week, so I won'r be
able to return the call until after the 19th.
Date: 02-07-90 (08:38) Number: 208
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 203
From: BUD BECHTEL Read: 02-07-90 (22:06)
Subj: PC-LAN SERVER TUNING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Harvey, the current config.sys entry has fcbs=16,8 ....should that be
changed to your suggestion? What's it do for me? Since it's only ever
happened overnight when the system's not being used except for the
Maynard tape backup at 8 PM I can't get a handle on the problem. The
system has 2M of mem total, everything over 640 is extended mem and I
use no drivers to make it expanded. I don't use the ibm cache pgm and
instead have the /exm and /cac commands in Net Start.
Date: 02-07-90 (22:07) Number: 209
To: BUD BECHTEL Refer#: 208
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 02-08-90 (07:32)
Subj: PC-LAN SERVER TUNING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
>Harvey, the current config.sys entry has fcbs=16,8 ....should that be
>changed to your suggestion? What's it do for me? Since it's only ever
That is used if you have any really old style programs that use the DOS
1.1 fcb file opens rather than handles. Don't get rid of it, it uses a
really tiny amount of memory, but don't hurt things otherwise.
>happened overnight when the system's not being used except for the
>Maynard tape backup at 8 PM I can't get a handle on the problem. The
>system has 2M of mem total, everything over 640 is extended mem and I
>use no drivers to make it expanded. I don't use the ibm cache pgm and
>instead have the /exm and /cac commands in Net Start.
What's the "problem"?
Also, you want the July '89 LAN Magizine. The phone # is 1-800-library.
This has all the tuning info you need.
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Date: 02-07-90 (22:15) Number: 210
To: BUD BECHTEL Refer#: 201
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 02-08-90 (13:14)
Subj: PC-LAN SERVER TUNING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Stack Overflow.... How much free memory is left? What interupt does the
tape controller use (ALWAYS set your T/R card higher than everything
else)? Try setting /FS to 75 or such. It could be that the tape
controller is timing dependant. Does it use DMA? If you can, bypass it,
if not, set it to "3"
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Date: 02-08-90 (07:32) Number: 212
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 209
From: BUD BECHTEL Read: 02-20-90 (11:34)
Subj: PC-LAN SERVER TUNING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
1. I'm still confused about the fcb statement. Do I leave it at the
current value or do I change it to the 128,256 you suggest?
2. The problem is the stack overflow...I don't know whether the tape
backup is a causal factor or not. Happened again last night. When I set
the time slice to 2,9 in net start this time around did I leave the
foreground too small to support the tape backup which I presume is a
foreground task? We hadn't had one of these stack overflows in quite a
while until I changed the dxmodt0 and net start params last week. Just
trying to find a pattern.
Date: 02-08-90 (07:33) Number: 213
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 210
From: BUD BECHTEL Read: 02-20-90 (11:34)
Subj: PC-LAN SERVER TUNING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I'll check these and get back to you.
Date: 02-08-90 (13:14) Number: 214
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 210
From: BUD BECHTEL Read: 02-20-90 (11:34)
Subj: PC-LAN SERVER TUNING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Harvey, I checked and the Maynard Tape System uses the following:
Adapter Addr=(def) FF70-FF77 or FF60-FF67
Interr =(def)2 or 3,5 or 7
DMA Arb Level=1,3,4,(def)5,6 or 7
As soon as I can take the server down again I'll boot on the reference
diskette and check the IRQ and DMA if any of all of the boards including
the Maynard and the TR card. Maynard agrees that the IRQ is the most
likely source although when I described what I had done to the /TSI
parameter they thought that it could also be a problem. BTW, what's /FS
in your last note mean? Is that the same as /TSI ? Maynard does not
think that DMA is the problem. What neither of us knows is how much DMA
activity exists at night when there are no users on, just whatever
server activity exists when it's quiet and the backup program. Any
ideas?....I really appreciate the time you're taking with me....Bud
Date: 02-13-90 (08:44) Number: 216
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: ROBERT HART Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: MS-NET OR LAN MAN DOC'S Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I am looking for documentation on how to write a remote boot prom for
MS-NET (PC-Net) or DOS/OS2 LAN MANAGER, preferably the latter. The
problem
is that I don't know the IBM jargon. In the NetWare world we call it
Remote Reset Boot PROM. I'm not that familiar (at all familiar) with
the way the IBM world and Microsoft LAN MAN work.
Initially I'd like to support DOS boot over a LAN MAN network on
EtherNet. Could anyone "in the know" please point me in the right
direction by telling me what manuals/sources/documentation/code they
know of that might be of some help!
Thanks in advance for your help!
-- Bob Hart
Date: 02-14-90 (09:40) Number: 217
To: ROBERT HART Refer#: 216
From: MIKE BRADY Read: 02-15-90 (17:10)
Subj: MS-NET OR LAN MAN DOC'S Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Bob,
I had to edit your message to remove your phone number. Please read
the news messages for an explanation. Just type NEWS from any main
command prompt.
Thanks for understanding,
Mike Brady - IBM
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Date: 02-14-90 (09:55) Number: 218
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN YUAN Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: NO Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Can I put IBM TKR and IBM SDLC in a IBM AT and still run IBM EE1.1
If yes, what int level and memory I should use?±à
Date: 02-14-90 (10:11) Number: 219
To: JOHN YUAN Refer#: 218
From: SHAWN RHOADS Read: 03-26-90 (15:41)
Subj: INTERRUPTS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
>Can I put IBM TKR and IBM SDLC in a IBM AT and still run IBM EE1.1
>If yes, what int level and memory I should use?
The SDLC uses int 3 and 4 and I/O address 380h. The Token Ring
Adapter defalts at 2 (but can be configured for 3).
You should be able to use that configuration with EE 1.1.
Shawn Rhoads IBM
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Date: 02-15-90 (15:11) Number: 220
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: MARK HUFF Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: RUNNING NOVELL NONDEDICAT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
We have developed a bit of a problem situation at work wherein we are
providing support for a Novell LAN in our Brewster, NY office from our
location in New Berlin, WI. To help with some of the problems that have
arisen (lack of test environment, manuals, hardware, etc.) we are
considering setting up a very small test ∩k∩knetwork which will consist
of one file server, one workstation, and one gateway to our mainframe.
My question is this: Would it be conceivable to use my existing Model
8560-071 as a nondedicated file server? If so, would I be better off to
add a second hard disk-v ╗B·, or just use one of the existing partitions
for the Novell Netware?
Regards,
Mark
Date: 02-21-90 (21:35) Number: 221
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: BRUCE WALLMAN Read: (N/A)
Subj: 4 MBIT ON 386/20E Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I am running OS/2 LAN Server with model 70's and token ring. I was at
16 Mbit, but when I added 5 old Compaq 386/20e's with IBM 16/4 cards
they would only run at 4 MBit. Is this correct?
If it is correct, is there a way of setting up the LAN with the Compaqs
on a separate MAU so that the rest of the LAN can run at 16 MBit? Does
someone else sell a 8/16 bit card for the Compaqs that would let them
run at 16 MBit?
Any help is appreciated.
Date: 02-28-90 (09:15) Number: 222
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: BOB DIAMOND Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: DOS 4.01 AND IBM PC-LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
We have been running IBM PC-LAN version 1.3 on an Ungermann-Bass Token
Ring. We recently acquired additional PCs with MS-DOS 4.01 to replace
some existing equipment. We have not been able to get the PC-LAN
program to operate with MS-DOS 4.01. I spoke to a SE at Microsoft who
said that IBM should have a patch or new drivers that would overcome any
incompatibilities. Does anyone know where I can find a solution?
Date: 03-01-90 (16:06) Number: 223
To: BOB DIAMOND Refer#: 222
From: TOM BREEDLOVE Read: NO
Subj: DOS 4.01 AND IBM PC-LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Bob,
I suspect you are having a problem even installing PC LAN over
MS-DOS, correct? When the PC LAN installation utility is run, it looks
for two hidden files in the IBM DOS subdirectory. Those two files are
(H)elp, (M)ore, (N)o? 223
(H)elp, End of Message Command? 223
Date: 03-01-90 (16:06) Number: 223
To: BOB DIAMOND Refer#: 222
From: TOM BREEDLOVE Read: NO
Subj: DOS 4.01 AND IBM PC-LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Bob,
I suspect you are having a problem even installing PC LAN over
MS-DOS, correct? When the PC LAN installation utility is run, it looks
for two hidden files in the IBM DOS subdirectory. Those two files are
the IBMBIO.COM and IBMDOS.COM. I've never worked with MS-DOS that much,
but I suspect this is where the major hangup occurs. The only patches
available for the PC LAN program are the update diskettes that bring it
up to 1.32 from 1.30, and those patches don't allow PC LAN to be
installed on an MS-DOS machine either. One possible solution might be
to manually install the PC LAN program by skipping the installation aid
and copying over the needed files to your working disk. I haven't tried
this myself, but it might be worth a shot. Let me know how things come
out!
Hope this helps!,
Tom Breedlove
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(H)elp, (1-293), Message Read Command? ns
IBM PC User Group Support BBS
═════════════════════════════╤═════════════════════════════
11 - Other Node Activity │ OPEN - Open a DOOR
A - Abandon Conference │ O - Operator Page
B - Bulletins │ P - Page Length Set
C - Comment to Sysop │ Q - Quick Message Scan
D - Download a File │ R - Read Messages
E - Enter a Message │ R S - Read Since Last On
F - File Directories │ REPLY - Reply to Message
G - Goodbye │ RM - Read Memorized Mail
H - Help! │ S - Script Questionaire
I - Initial Welcome │ T - Transfer Protocol
J - Join a Conference │ TS - Text Search Headers
K - Kill a Message │ V - View User Settings
L - Locate Files │ W - Write User Data
M - Graphics Mode │ X - Menu On/Off Toggle
N - New files │ Y - Your Mail Check
NEWS - Redisplay News │ Z - Zippy DIR Scan
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(152 min. left) NETWORK (12) Conference Command? r
(H)elp, (1-293), Message Read Command? 222
Date: 02-28-90 (09:15) Number: 222
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: BOB DIAMOND Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: DOS 4.01 AND IBM PC-LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
We have been running IBM PC-LAN version 1.3 on an Ungermann-Bass Token
Ring. We recently acquired additional PCs with MS-DOS 4.01 to replace
some existing equipment. We have not been able to get the PC-LAN
program to operate with MS-DOS 4.01. I spoke to a SE at Microsoft who
said that IBM should have a patch or new drivers that would overcome any
incompatibilities. Does anyone know where I can find a solution?
(H)elp, End of Message Command? +
Date: 03-01-90 (16:06) Number: 223
To: BOB DIAMOND Refer#: 222
From: TOM BREEDLOVE Read: NO
Subj: DOS 4.01 AND IBM PC-LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Bob,
I suspect you are having a problem even installing PC LAN over
MS-DOS, correct? When the PC LAN installation utility is run, it looks
for two hidden files in the IBM DOS subdirectory. Those two files are
the IBMBIO.COM and IBMDOS.COM. I've never worked with MS-DOS that much,
but I suspect this is where the major hangup occurs. The only patches
available for the PC LAN program are the update diskettes that bring it
up to 1.32 from 1.30, and those patches don't allow PC LAN to be
installed on an MS-DOS machine either. One possible solution might be
to manually install the PC LAN program by skipping the installation aid
and copying over the needed files to your working disk. I haven't tried
this myself, but it might be worth a shot. Let me know how things come
out!
Hope this helps!,
Tom Breedlove
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Date: 03-02-90 (18:03) Number: 224
To: SYSOP Refer#: NONE
From: WAYNE VALENTINE Read: 03-04-90 (16:13)
Subj: PC SOFTWARE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I'm intereseted in locating a piece of software known as the Personal
Computer Monitor (PECOMMON). It has a product code of 6467045, and a
feature number 7045. I know the product exist (at one time anyway) but
have been unable to find a dealer (or IBM personnel for that matter)
that's able to locate it's whereabouts. Any info?
Date: 03-04-90 (11:55) Number: 225
To: WAYNE VALENTINE Refer#: 224
From: BARRY-SHIFFRIN P1535NY Read: NO
Subj: PC SOFTWARE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I checked on the softwre lists I could find and it appears that PECOMON
is still being marketed. I couldn't find it on the dealer software list
so it might be available only from IBM branch offices. Call a branch
office and see if they can order partnumber 6467045 with order code
5871-AAA and feature code 7045.
Date: 03-08-90 (15:33) Number: 226
To: SYSOP Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN SCHWENKLER Read: 03-29-90 (01:33)
Subj: PRODOR Message Appear Her Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I'm just a beginner with your bulletin board.
I entered a message to ALL in the PRODOR window and then
realized it would have been better in the
NETWORK conference. Is there a way to move it? Also, I am still
getting text echoed back. I tried Shawn's suggestion of Alt-E but I
just get a beep. Any ideas? John
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Date: 03-08-90 (14:53) Number: 227
To: MARK HUFF Refer#: 220
From: RICHARD PARKE Read: 03-14-90 (17:17)
Subj: RUNNING NOVELL NONDEDICAT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
From experience I've found that running Novell in a nondedicated
environment is troublesome, wouldn't a McIrma board by DCA be better in
the node?
Date: 03-09-90 (14:28) Number: 228
To: JOHN SCHWENKLER Refer#: 226
From: SHAWN RHOADS Read: 03-12-90 (16:28)
Subj: PRODOR Message Appear Her Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
John,
Once a message is entered, there is no way for you to move it.
About the double characters problem, you should be able to correct that
in your software. If you have a manual, look up DUPLEX, and change your
parameters to say FULL DUPLEX, which means that we will echo the
characters that you type back to you, instead of your software
displaying them for you.
If you still cannot fix this problem, let us know what software you are
using.
Shawn Rhoads IBM
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Date: 03-08-90 (14:59) Number: 229
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN SCHWENKLER Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: PCLP Server Problems Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
We've been using IBM's PC LAN Program
to connect IBM micros for a number of
years and just recently have been
experiencing problems that we can't
circumvent on one of our LANs. The
Server is a PS/2 80-300Mb. It services
only 8 users. All are PS/2s running
DOS 4 and PCLP 1.32 - token ring. This
LAN has 4 heavy users of Server directories.
They are running a database applicaiton,
Advanced Revelation, that makes good use
of the File Server. This is our only LAN
with 4 heavy database users. They have
been experiencing intermittent problems
like the following: read erros on network
files, NET 803 Network Path not found,
and, most commonly, system hangs. It
only happens when all four are on at one time
The NET FILE command usually shows nothing.
unusual -- at most 40 files are open with some having 2 users at once.
NET ERROR shows nothing at all. Today
I experience a new wrinkle. There was
a SYSTEMS RESOURCES error when I tried to
run a NET command on the server. The
only way I could execute a NET command
was to power off one of the 4 database
machines (all of which were hung at that point).
Then NET ERROR sholws a number of PC Lan
files with UNABLE TO ACCESS. i INCREASED
the number of files from 100 to 200 in
CONFIG.SYS and rebooted the server but
this didn't help. It's now at 255 and
we're holding our breath. Nothe that
the Server's 640K was never full when
these problems occurres, at least as
seen in the MEM command. Anybody have
a suggestion on where to go next? John
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Date: 03-12-90 (10:01) Number: 230
To: JOHN SCHWENKLER Refer#: 229
From: DAVID DONALDSON Read: 03-12-90 (16:28)
Subj: PCLP Server Problems Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
John, some programs require use of FCBs's( File Control Blocks )
you may want to add or increase your existing FCBs statement in your
config.sys file on your server and your workstations.
A value of 16,128 might do the trick. Good luck. David
Date: 03-12-90 (17:56) Number: 231
To: JOHN SCHWENKLER Refer#: 229
From: ALAN BIRD Read: NO
Subj: PCLP Server Problems Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Try increasing the /F and /L paramters on your share command. You can
get a lot of strange errors if the vaues are too low. If you don't
load share before starting the network use the /SHB /SHL parameters on
the NET START command. The default sizes are 2048 for buffer size and
20 for number of locks. If you have long path names it is easy to fill
up a 2K buffer.
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Date: 03-13-90 (15:37) Number: 233
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: DELLIS HINES Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: ADAPTER SUPPORT FOR OS2EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Does IBM currently support any third party vendor's network adapters
under OS/2 EE? If so, who is supported and does any standard interface
(i.e., NDIS, etc.) exist for communicating with them? Is there a
procedure for getting other adapters certified for OS/2 EE?
Thanks much!!
Best Regards,
Dellis Hines
Date: 03-13-90 (19:59) Number: 234
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: DOUGLAS JAMES Read: (N/A)
Subj: IBM TOKENRING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I have a question for anyone who knows mainframes. I need an IBM
tokenring adaptor which will allow me to take gain access to all the
data coming from the host system. Most will place this data on the
network, but I need it to run into the network system that we are
developing. We really don't want to take the time to develop our own and
would love to use a third party card. If you know of any adapter which
is capable of such please let me know...
Date: 03-14-90 (10:13) Number: 235
To: DELLIS HINES Refer#: 233
From: TOM BREEDLOVE Read: 03-14-90 (11:17)
Subj: ADAPTER SUPPORT FOR OS2EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Dellis,
In a matter of speaking, IBM doesn't support ANY third party
adapters. To do this, extensive testing would have to be done by IBM on
all of the OEM cards. IBM doesn't guarantee the operation of any OEM
cards in IBM machines. All testing and support is provided by the
vendor of the third party card.
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Date: 03-14-90 (11:03) Number: 236
To: DELLIS HINES Refer#: 233
From: TOM KADLEC Read: 03-14-90 (11:17)
Subj: ADAPTER SUPPORT FOR OS2EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Performance Technology in San Antonio, Tx has an NDIS ARCNET driver for
MS LAN Manager.≈│ According to PT, this driver should work with all
flavors of OS2 (including IBM). You might give them a call if you are
interested. Their number is (512)349-2000.
Date: 03-14-90 (17:17) Number: 237
To: RICHARD PARKE Refer#: 227
From: MARK HUFF Read: NO
Subj: RUNNING NOVELL NONDEDICAT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Richard:
Actually, we already had the Novell/Token Ring LAN in place
at one of our remote locations and were in the process of
upgrading our mainframe at our local site. The LAN uses a
Novell SNA Gateway in a dedicated machine over a leased line.
The configuration works fine, but we were having problems
getting the thing working with our new mainframe NCP and were
hampered to do much efficient testing do to the fact that we
couldn't replicate their hardware environment here. Well, to
make a long story short (or is it too late for that), we did
end up purchasing our own LAN hardware and software and did
accomplish getting them up and running on the new NCP. Oh,
by the way, you CAN run Novell Advanced Netware in a
nondedicated PC but like you say, there are some drawbacks
involved. As we add additional users I will continue to try
to get the spending go-ahead to purchase a dedicated box to
replace it. Thanks for the reply.
Regards,
Mark Huff
Date: 03-15-90 (15:13) Number: 238
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: BILL DICKENSON Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: Macs on a PC Lan server Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I have a token ring network with a fair number of PS/2's and I have
also a number of ( GASP ) Macs that would like to get on and be able
to exchange files.
I don't want to exchange software, just data files and I'm willing
to live with some inconvienence as well.
Any suggestions ? My understanding is that they do not particpiate
as well in this kind of thing.
Thanks
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Date: 03-15-90 (15:41) Number: 239
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: MARK THOMAS Read: (N/A)
Subj: PRINT Q ERROR NET9922E Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I am running Lan server 1.0 on a mod 80-115M and os2 EE 1.1 on my mod 70
and whenever I print from some packages in the DOS box I get this
NET9922E error 3 times and it goes away, the print works fine, but I
can't figure out why. If I go into the Print Q it lists my local
printer and 2 network printers, but if I hit refresh it gives me this
error without trying to even print anything...Any Ideas???
Mark Thomas - ADP
Date: 03-18-90 (13:01) Number: 240
To: DOUGLAS JAMES Refer#: NONE
From: JAMES GERBER Read: 03-24-90 (16:01)
Subj: IBM TOKENRING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
DJ>I have a question for anyone who knows mainframes. I need an IBM
DJ>tokenring adaptor which will allow me to take gain access to all the
DJ>data coming from the host system. Most will place this data on the
What you probably want is the IBM special Token Ring Board for the
trace and performance tool and for IBM's LAN manager. This board allows
access to all token riung frames.
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Date: 03-18-90 (13:01) Number: 241
To: BILL DICKENSON Refer#: NONE
From: JAMES GERBER Read: 03-19-90 (09:38)
Subj: Macs on a PC Lan server Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
BD>Any suggestions ? My understanding is that they do not particpiate
BD>as well in this kind of thing.
If you want to stay with an OS/2 LAN server, 3Com has a Mac connectivy
option that works pretty well and the server software is very similar
to IBM's. Novell also supports Macs.
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Date: 03-22-90 (09:32) Number: 242
To: BILL DICKENSON Refer#: 238
From: DON WOODWARD JR. Read: 04-06-90 (13:21)
Subj: Macs on a PC Lan server Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Apple Computer makes aproduct called "SMB" or something like that. It
allows you to hook you MACs up through their token-ring card to an IBM
network and exchange files. IBM sells Advanced Netware which supports
the MAC - it's from Novell.
Don Woodward Jr. - Lockheed
Date: 03-22-90 (11:42) Number: 243
To: DON WOODWARD JR. Refer#: 242
From: TOM BREEDLOVE Read: NO
Subj: Macs on a PC Lan server Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
The PC LAN Program works on an SMB protocol. If my understanding is
correct, Apple also has a package that provides file transfer over SMB
protocol. I would assume that something like file transfer is all that
could be done between the Apples and IBMs, but am not certain on this.
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Date: 03-23-90 (14:53) Number: 244
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: DAVID BROWN Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: PCLP 1.32 & DOS 4.02 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I am having terrible problems with our 4Mbps TR LAN running LAN support
1.1, DOS 4.02 and PCLP 1.32. One symptom is that the workstations beep
when the DIR command is calculating the free space on a shared volume
>32 MB. Other symptoms include file open failures and disapearing NET
USEs.
I am using the INSTALL command in the CONFIG.SYS to boost the /F and /L
parameters so that they will not be set to the defaults when IFSFUNC.EXE
loads, also by INSTALL. The NET START command has no SHB and SHL values
specified based on the documentation stating "If SHARE is already
present the SHB and SHL parameters are not used."
The above implies that my sneaking suspicion is that PCLP is behaving as
if SHB and SHL are set to defaults and not using SHARE's /F and /L
buffers. Can PCLP detect SHARE when loaded by INSTALL? what else
should I be looking for? FCBS=100,100, FILES=255 and RQB anf REQ are
Base Services defaults. I'm not sure what else to maximize.
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Date: 03-26-90 (20:13) Number: 245
To: DAVID BROWN Refer#: 244
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 04-03-90 (09:05)
Subj: PCLP 1.32 & DOS 4.02 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
To use PCLP 1.32, you MUST have LSP 1.11! PCLP does recognize share.
Your FCBs are set MUCH too high. What type of server/workstation do you
have? what are the startup parameters? What other types of problems do
you have?
Date: 03-27-90 (14:39) Number: 246
To: DELLIS HINES Refer#: 233
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: NO
Subj: ADAPTER SUPPORT FOR OS2EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
>Does IBM currently support any third party vendor's network adapters
under OS/2 EE? If so, who is supported and does any standard interface
Dellis: Not under EE 1.1. For 1.2 IBM has announced support for 3 OEM
vendors of Ethernet adapters (one each for Micro Channel and AT busses),
in addition to a number of different IBM Token Ring/Broadband/Baseband
network adapters.
I don't have the announcement in front of me (from some time in the
fall), but I remember that Ungermann-Bass was one fo the vendors.
I hope this helps. Good luck. Mark.
Date: 03-27-90 (18:29) Number: 247
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: BOB POUND Read: (N/A)
Subj: NOVELL, TOKN RING, DOS4 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
We are running netware on token ring. All workstations, & file server
(which is also acting as a print server) are using DOS 4.01. The
workstations are PS2 mod 70's, the file server is mod 80.
We can not print graphics correctly (charts, diagrams, etc.) to network
attached HP laserjet II. Works fine when locally attached. Problem
appears to be with novells net4.
Anyone else have similar configuration, or experiencing
this problem? Any suggestions are welcome.
Date: 03-27-90 (23:07) Number: 248
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: RICK GRAHAM Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: OS/2 1.2 EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
OS/2 1.2EE is supposed to send end of this month. It is my understanding
that 1.1EE users can get a free upgrade. Will it be send to registered
owners automatically or will you have to fill out some sort of update
form. If you need a form, where do I get it. Thanks for any help.
_rick-
Date: 03-28-90 (10:35) Number: 249
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: VICTOR BISHOP Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: OS/2 EE 1.2 SERVER BACKUP Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
How does one make a complete backup of a server under OS/2 EE 1.2
Server using the High Performance File? Right now under EE 1.1 I can
boot the server under DOS and perform a complete backup with Sy-tos, but
I have read that one cannot boot the server any longer for EE 1.2 if one
install the High Performance.
Thank you, Victor
Date: 03-30-90 (20:07) Number: 250
To: BOB POUND Refer#: NONE
From: JAMES GERBER Read: 04-02-90 (08:37)
Subj: NOVELL, TOKN RING, DOS4 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
You either have to define the printer queues as binary (not text
stream) or use the NoTaBs option on the capture command:
CAPTURE L=1 Q=PRINTQ_0 NT TI=60
Otherwise, the print spooler is trying to expand what it thinks are TAB
characters in the printer stream. Looks like the person who setup your
network didn't know much about graphics printing.
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Date: 03-31-90 (12:56) Number: 251
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: RON EISNER Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: DOS BOX UNDER OS/2 LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I just brought up my first OS/2 Lan Requester. When I went to the
DOS box to test some programs CHKDSK indicated that I had only 380K
left. MAPMEM showed only about 30K in overhead. Where did the rest GO?
Does the OS/2 Lan Requester also take DOS memory? I'm running in 4 MEG
OS/2 EE, so the memory is tight, but I didn't think it would affect the
DOS box. (I haven't installed the fix disks for the requester because
when I did it on the rest of the system, it took me half a day to get my
dual-boot to work again. Could this help something?)
Thanks Ron
Date: 03-31-90 (13:02) Number: 252
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: RON EISNER Read: (N/A)
Subj: MODEM SHARING & LAN SERVR Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Has anyone tried using a modem in the server from a network station?
I'm running an OS/2 EE Requester and LOGICOMM to try this. LOGICOMM
apparently sends out the MODEM setup string and gets OK back, but then
locks up. I told both the server and requester that I was using COM2 as
the redirected serial port. Any ideas?
Thanks RON
Date: 04-03-90 (08:40) Number: 253
To: JAMES GERBER Refer#: 250
From: BOB POUND Read: 04-04-90 (21:32)
Subj: NOVELL, TOKN RING, DOS4 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Thanks for the reply!
My capture statement reads as follows:
capture l=1 q=lan_42 nt nff ti=20
Same results. It starts printing okay, but after several lines it
gets "confused". On other occasions we get ok boxes, but lose the
text inside of them.
We have tried "bit stream" mode, but no difference.
Any other thoughts?
P.S. You are right about the person who set our network up. He didn't
know much about graphics, laser printer, setup on LAN. We are still
recovering from some early "faulty" assumptions.
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Date: 04-03-90 (09:06) Number: 254
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 245
From: DAVID BROWN Read: 04-04-90 (18:28)
Subj: PCLP 1.32 & DOS 4.02 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I just got LSP 1.11 and I still get the beep when doing a
directory for the first time on large volumes on the Mod 80-071
server. I will upload NET START parameters soon. My workstation is a
P70-121 and the other 60 are a mix of every other pc IBM makes.
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Date: 04-03-90 (09:12) Number: 255
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 245
From: DAVID BROWN Read: 04-04-90 (18:29)
Subj: PCLP 1.32 & DOS 4.02 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
P.S. Thanks for the reply!
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Date: 04-04-90 (07:55) Number: 256
To: DAVID BROWN Refer#: 254
From: ED FISHER Read: 04-24-90 (09:27)
Subj: PCLP 1.32 & DOS 4.02 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Dave,
I know I'm jumping into the middle, but just make sure that SHARE is
loaded on the server (due to the > 32MB partition). Funky things happen
if you don't (including DATA LOSS!).
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Date: 04-04-90 (18:26) Number: 257
To: RON EISNER Refer#: 251
From: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Read: 04-11-90 (09:18)
Subj: DOS BOX UNDER OS/2 LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Is this RON from Columbia, MO?
All device drivers are loaded into the 1Mb memory area becuase they are
used by both DOS and OS/2..
I suggest you dump the DOS Box.
Date: 04-05-90 (19:39) Number: 258
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: CHUKA ANENE Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: NETWORK SOFTWARE ON DOS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Hello All
I am having real Hard Disk space problems and one of the temporary
solutions that I can see especially with my word processing programs
is to move them to the file server. The word processing package I
use is MultiMate Advatage II. The question I have is:
1. Can I move multimate to the file server and then have the
workstations
access it from their local drive. I run IBM DOS LAN a Token
ring. Do I need a copy of certain Multimate files on the
workstation.?
2. How can those workstations access Multimate ?. Do I need a batch file
set up to direct each station to a private area.
File intergrity is really not my concern because the chance of
someone updating the same document is very RARE. Also my DATA
files [documents] are stored on the floppy drive.
What I am worried is how Multimate handles the OVL files.
is how the Multimate program is going to handle its OVL files.
Any help will be greatly appreciated..................Thx!
Date: 04-06-90 (13:17) Number: 259
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: BILL DICKENSON Read: (N/A)
Subj: HP 9xx Support Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I have a token ring network along side a Digital Switch system. The
switch is for access to an HP 950 ( spectrum ) mail machine. Does
anyone know of a SIMPLE way to allow PC's on the token ring to use
the applications on the HP ? I need terminal emulation only , not
host to host and I really don't need file transfers or anything
else. Just simple (?) terminal emulation.
I've heard of things like LANACS and ARTIC cards but I'm not sure
what this is all about. I'm new at this game.
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Date: 04-07-90 (22:08) Number: 260
To: BOB POUND Refer#: NONE
From: JAMES GERBER Read: 04-17-90 (09:47)
Subj: NOVELL, TOKN RING, DOS4 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
BP>My capture statement reads as follows:
BP> capture l=1 q=lan_42 nt nff ti=20
You might try ti=99 because some graphics applications pause while
printing to recalculate and may prematurely release data. The result is
usually what you describe but often the printout comes out in several
pieces. I had this problem with Freelance and Draw Perfect.
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Date: 04-07-90 (22:16) Number: 261
To: BOB POUND Refer#: NONE
From: JAMES GERBER Read: 04-17-90 (09:49)
Subj: NOVELL, TOKN RING, DOS4 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
BP>My capture statement reads as follows:
BP> capture l=1 q=lan_42 nt nff ti=20
You might try ti=99 because some graphics applications pause while
printing to recalculate and may prematurely release data. The result is
usually what you describe but often the printout comes out in several
pieces. I had this problem with Freelance and Draw Perfect.
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Date: 04-08-90 (14:24) Number: 262
To: BILL DICKENSON Refer#: NONE
From: JAMES GERBER Read: 04-12-90 (07:39)
Subj: HP 9xx Support Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
BD>I have a token ring network along side a Digital Switch system. The
BD>switch is for access to an HP 950 ( spectrum ) mail machine. Does
BD>anyone know of a SIMPLE way to allow PC's on the token ring to use
Sure, just install an ASYNC gateway on the token ring and connect the
serial ports of the gateway up to the digital switch.
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Date: 04-08-90 (23:07) Number: 263
To: RICK GRAHAM Refer#: 248
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: NO
Subj: OS/2 1.2 EE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Rick: EE 1.2 has been available (off the shelf) since 3/30/90. Free
upgrades are available until 6/30/90. The upgrade form is available on
this board. Type B for a list of the bulletins. One of them has the
form. Upgrades are not sent automatically; you must mail in the form.
I hope this helps. Good luck. Mark.
Date: 04-08-90 (23:13) Number: 264
To: VICTOR BISHOP Refer#: 249
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 04-11-90 (10:32)
Subj: OS/2 EE 1.2 SERVER BACKUP Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Victor: There is presently no HPFS-compatible version of Sy-TOS
available (although I have heard Sy-TOS Plus does/will support it, but
I'm not sure if it is available yet). I have heard that SY-TOS V3.0
(which is OS/2-FAT compatible) will work with an HPFS drive, but is not
supproted, so it may or may not be completely reliable. You'd have to
test it to be sure. You are correct that if you format to HPFS, you
can't boot from DOS (which doesn't recognize an HPFS partition). I hope
this helps. Good luck. Mark.
Date: 04-11-90 (09:11) Number: 265
To: CHUKA ANENE Refer#: 258
From: RON EISNER Read: 04-12-90 (22:36)
Subj: NETWORK SOFTWARE ON DOS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
RE: Multimate on network...
I played with it for a while a few months ago trying to set up a simple
network (basic level - not extended, but I don't think it should make
any
difference) . I didn't have any big problems with
Multimate itself. You could even set up the directory so that only one
user could get to it at a time if you wanted. The biggest problem I
found is in the default files WPSYSD.SYS, WPQUE.SYS, etc. These are
assumed to be in the current directory, along with the overlays, etc.
Therefore, if you make the network drive the default directory and one
person changes their defaults, it messes up everybody else. I was
afraid to even think about what the print queue file was doing. I ended
up getting the network version. The only big difference between them is
that it allows you to define the directory where each of the pieces
resides, so that you can have the system default and work files on local
drives and the program, dictionary etc. on the network. The big
disadvantage so far is that it doesn't have a PEP release, and if you
are going to MM 4.0, I haven't been able to get a net version ship date
of 4.0 from Ashton-Tate.
I would recommend going with the network version. You might see if A-T,
or another vendor would allow an upgrade from individual versions to the
network version. (No matter which version you use, you'll be tight on
memory if you're running the IBM LAN program. That's why I only looked
at the Basic version of LAN 1.3. I'm having trouble getting it to load
even in the DOS box under OS/2 with the LAN drivers.)
Ron
Date: 04-11-90 (09:18) Number: 266
To: HARVEY-SUMMERS P3131MO Refer#: 257
From: RON EISNER Read: 04-13-90 (13:56)
Subj: DOS BOX UNDER OS/2 LAN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
NO, I'm not from MO (Louisville, KY, actually). Thanks... And wouldn't
I ever love to dump the DOS box. Unfortunately, our standard WP system
(Multimate) and most graphics programs still don't have OS/2 versions,
so I'll still have to limp along for a while...
I've sure never seen that part about the drivers in low memory in the
fine print. I remember reading something about pieces of OS/2 in low
memory, but it never dawned on me that it would include the NET drivers.
OH WELL...
Date: 04-11-90 (10:32) Number: 267
To: MARK CHAPMAN Refer#: 264
From: VICTOR BISHOP Read: 04-14-90 (12:59)
Subj: OS/2 EE 1.2 SERVER BACKUP Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Well, I am still waiting for the 1.2 upgrade from IBM and was trying to
figure out how to do a complete backup under HPFS in case of disk crash.
Regards, çishop
Date: 04-11-90 (10:53) Number: 268
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: RON EISNER Read: (N/A)
Subj: IEEE VS NETBIOS IN CM Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Could anyone elucidate the interaction of the IEEE 802 vs NETBIOS
setup screens in Communications MGR. While I understand basically what
each is, the TR class didn't really get into the OS/2 setup, and it
appears that you must have both parts compatible for it to work. I also
haven't found much literature available on tuning many of these
parameters, which might have helped set them up in the first place.
What exactly is the involvement of CM in the network overall? I don't
seem to need to load it for the network to work. Is something different
if it is loaded, or does the setup just allow CM to use the network for
3270, etc.
Thanks... Ron
Date: 04-11-90 (15:37) Number: 269
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: RAY LITTLE Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: TAPE BACKUP UNDER 3+OPEN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
My vendor is having trouble getting information on the 6157 Streaming
Tape Drive Model 2, he normally sells everybody Tecmar units. However,
since I'm going with an OS/2 based LAN I would like to stick with an IBM
product. My server is a PS/2 Model 80. Will the 6157 work off the
server or will it have to backup from a workstation? I assume the
SY-TOS Software will work with 3+OPEN, right? Any problems or warnings
with this, the workstations will all be using OS/2?
Thanks.
Date: 04-11-90 (20:01) Number: 270
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: MICHAEL NULL Read: (N/A)
Subj: OS/2 T.R. TUNING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I am running an IBM OS/2 1.2 LAN Server with Token-Ring cards. I am
unable to perform any performance monitoring on the network since I
haven't been able to find any utilities available for OS/2 LAN Server
Tuning. Any ideas?
I have a CPU Monitor and a FREEMEM program but these don't help
to point out what needs modifications.
Thanks.
Date: 04-16-90 (12:53) Number: 271
To: RAY LITTLE Refer#: 269
From: DAVE BLATCHER Read: 04-17-90 (08:00)
Subj: TAPE BACKUP UNDER 3+OPEN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Ray, although IBM manufactures the 6157-002 and the controller, they
don't support it centrally. The centrally supported backup procedure is
using the internal tape unit.
Date: 04-18-90 (16:17) Number: 272
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: SCOTT TROSIEN Read: (N/A)
Subj: TOKEN-WAY 3174 CONTROLLER Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Does anyone have any info on the IBM 3174 Token-Way controller? I just
saw a little article about it in the Computer Reseller New 4-16-90.
Any specs & features would be appreciated. Thanks!
Date: 04-25-90 (21:30) Number: 273
To: DAVE BLATCHER Refer#: NONE
From: JAMES GERBER Read: 04-27-90 (10:19)
Subj: TAPE BACKUP UNDER 3+OPEN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
DB>Ray, although IBM manufactures the 6157-002 and the controller, they
DB>don't support it centrally. The centrally supported backup procedure
DB>using the internal tape unit.
Only problem is you have to pay someone to work a night shift to switch
tapes ... our servers usually have 2 314MB drives and with several
servers in a domain, you really need more than a little internal drive
to back up a LAN!
IBM really needs to some out with a DAT or 8mm drive soon.
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Date: 04-26-90 (07:43) Number: 274
To: JAMES GERBER Refer#: 273
From: RAY LITTLE Read: 04-29-90 (19:46)
Subj: TAPE BACKUP UNDER 3+OPEN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
James,
I couldn't agree with you more. We just have one 300MB drive and I can
see this is going to be a problem. IBM can be an extremely slow moving
company or at least they don't seem to coordinate all facets of a
solution very well.
Ray
Date: 04-26-90 (16:13) Number: 275
To: JAMES GERBER Refer#: 273
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: 04-29-90 (19:46)
Subj: TAPE BACKUP UNDER 3+OPEN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
IBM really needs to some out with a DAT or 8mm drive soon.
James: How about an 8-track tape drive? I think I still have a unit
left at home (attached to my stereo <grin>). Mark.
Date: 04-27-90 (22:25) Number: 276
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: LEE BATSON Read: (N/A)
Subj: ETHERNET/TOKEN RING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I AM RUNNING A VERY SMALL ENTERNOET NETOWRK USING NOVEL 2.12 ON A COMPAQ
386/16 SERVER WITH 330 MG DRIVE AND 4 MG MEMORY. WE ARE CONSIDERING
ADDING 15 WORKSTATIONS THIS YEAR TO THE CURRENT 10 STATIONS. HAVE
RECEIVED RECOMMENDATION OF CONTINUING WITH ETHERNET OR MOVING TO ARCNET
OR TOKEN RING. THOSE AGAINST TOKEN RING SITE SPEED AS A CONCERN - I HAVE
HEARD THAT THE 16 MBPS CARDS CORRECT THIS FOR TOKEN RING. WE ARE ALSO
LOOKING AT A GATEWAY TO A SYSTEM 38. WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ANY COMMENTS
OR WARNING IN MIXING TWO SYSTEMS. LEE
Date: 04-29-90 (08:50) Number: 277
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: LYLE BICKLEY Read: (N/A)
Subj: LAN SERVER UPDATE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I left this message on the main Bulletin Board as well, and am putting
it here to make sure the appropriate IBM SYSOP gets it!
PLEASE add the Upgrade Form for LAN SERVER 1.2 (from 1.0) to the
Upgrade form library. It is probably in a "green" or "ivory" product
announcement letter. Thanks, Lyle Bickley
Date: 05-01-90 (19:53) Number: 278
To: RAY LITTLE Refer#: NONE
From: JAMES GERBER Read: 05-02-90 (07:46)
Subj: TAPE BACKUP UNDER 3+OPEN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
RL>I couldn't agree with you more. We just have one 300MB drive and I c
RL>see this is going to be a problem. IBM can be an extremely slow movi
RL>company or at least they don't seem to coordinate all facets of a
RL>solution very well.
I hear IBM has a 2GB tape backup for the 6000. Let's hope that have it
out for OS/2 (with good software!!!) soon.
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Date: 05-01-90 (19:53) Number: 279
To: MARK CHAPMAN Refer#: NONE
From: JAMES GERBER Read: 05-08-90 (18:41)
Subj: TAPE BACKUP UNDER 3+OPEN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
MC>IBM really needs to some out with a DAT or 8mm drive soon.
MC>James: How about an 8-track tape drive? I think I still have a unit
MC>left at home (attached to my stereo <grin>). Mark.
Yeah ... given the reliability and frequency response of 8 track units,
I bet one could record about 1K bytes/ second and get 100K on a
cartridge!!!
Seriously, the only units with enough capacity (at a reasonable price)
seem to be based on 8mm or DAT form factor. They usually hold
2GB/cartridge and cost less than $30 for the media. Erasable optical
disks look good until the price ($250 or so) per disk is factored in.
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Date: 05-01-90 (19:56) Number: 280
To: LEE BATSON Refer#: NONE
From: JAMES GERBER Read: 05-11-90 (20:45)
Subj: ETHERNET/TOKEN RING Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
LB>I AM RUNNING A VERY SMALL ENTERNOET NETOWRK USING NOVEL 2.12 ON A COM
LB>386/16 SERVER WITH 330 MG DRIVE AND 4 MG MEMORY. WE ARE CONSIDERING
LB>ADDING 15 WORKSTATIONS THIS YEAR TO THE CURRENT 10 STATIONS. HAVE
LB>RECEIVED RECOMMENDATION OF CONTINUING WITH ETHERNET OR MOVING TO ARCN
LB>OR TOKEN RING. THOSE AGAINST TOKEN RING SITE SPEED AS A CONCERN - I H
LB>HEARD THAT THE 16 MBPS CARDS CORRECT THIS FOR TOKEN RING. WE ARE ALSO
LB>LOOKING AT A GATEWAY TO A SYSTEM 38. WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ANY COMME
LB>OR WARNING IN MIXING TWO SYSTEMS. LEE
In the future, could you give us the courtesy of upper and lower case
type. This is a bulletin board system, not a 1925 Western Union
teletype shop. Seriously, all caps is very hard to read and it looks
as if you're shouting at us.
If you're going to gateway to a S/38, you should go with Token Ring.
As for speed, you won't see much difference between 4MB and 16MB token
ring in real life.
Here are the advantages and disadvantages:
Token ring advantages: The "true blue" IBM solution, better
diagnostics, degrades less under heavy load, connectivity with IBM
equipment and software.
Disadvantages: Costly ($560 per card), short wiring distances requires
expensive fiber optic cable and repeaters for long runs, very few
vendors (mostly it's an IBM game).
Ethernet advantages: Connectivity with wide variety of minicomputers,
workstations, mainframes, medium cost per board ($200 or so), speed,
multiple vendors
Disadvantages: long wiring distances require costly repeaters, degrades
badly under heavy load, harder to troubleshoot
Arcnet advantages: very low cost ($100 or so per card), lowest cabling
cost, long wiring distances (as much as 16,000 feet with low cost
active hubs, 2,000 feet without), easy to troubleshoot (but not as easy
as Token Ring), most flexible and lowest cost wiring, doesnt degrade
badly under load, many many vendors
Disadvantages: No large vendor behind it, lowest speed (but not
unsatisfactorily so), 255 node addressing limit.
Hope this helps.
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Date: 05-01-90 (13:51) Number: 281
To: SYSOP Refer#: NONE
From: DENNIS FRIEDL Read: 05-05-90 (12:10)
Subj: COMMENT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I hope I am reaching the right locaton for my note if not please direct
me or forward my not as needed.
My question is regarding IBM PC LAN Token ring and its use with the base
services 1.31 software.
we have been running services 1.2 for two years ad haven hac no problems
Our configuration is mor fot producttest fo we have a mix of IBM
equipment. this includes MOD30/286,
Mod80,Mod60,Mod50Z, AT,and two Compaq 386s. All equipment works fine
with the 1.3 software however the AT has caused us considerable problems
in connectin to the server running the 1.3 services. it should be noted
that we do have intel above boards in the the 286 based equipment and
have overcome any addressing conflicts with with. The failure we get is
seen with or without the presence of the extra memory PWA's. The AT's
initially load the device drivers and the attemp to connect to the net
.the familar "chirp" is heard. Immediately after the third "chirp" we
get: NET807:System Error,Netbios Error
We have been unable to overcome this error with the unit. We have
comfirmed that using the identical equipment however loading the Novell
software works correctly when the IBM server is turnd off and a Novell
server is brought on line and net connect tests are run.
Any and all help will be appreciated. Sorry 'bout my sloppy typin
however i never was much good at it. No reflection toward my syntax in
config.sys or autoexec files I might add
Thankd again for any and all help you can offer
Dennis Friedl
Date: 05-01-90 (23:02) Number: 282
To: DENNIS FRIEDL Refer#: 281
From: ALAN BIRD Read: NO
Subj: COMMENT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I've seen that happen on AT compatables. It has only happened to me
when using the old IBM token ring adapters. The problem has always gone
away when we swapped the adapter with a new one. It seems that you need
at least an Adapter II in an AT, although sometimes the older adapter
will work. I hope this helps.
--Alan Birdate: 05-02-90 (11:31) Number: 283
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: SCOTT SCOTTO Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: TOKEN RING AND 3270 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I seem to have a problem getting a PS/2 70 to work with both a 3270
emulation card and a token ring network adapter. When I have the 3270
card in the machine alone, it works fine. When I put the token ring
card in the 3270 emulation program locks up. I have tried setting each
of these cards to different memory adresses using the reference
isk
A but no luck. It also does not work when i
rem out the token ring drivers within the config.sys.
Any Suggestions?
Date: 05-03-90 (10:39) Number: 284
To: SCOTT SCOTTO Refer#: 283
From: ED FISHER Read: NO
Subj: TOKEN RING AND 3270 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Scott,
I have a PS/2 70 B21 with that config (3270 /B card + T.R.) no problems.
Need to know what 3270 card, what software emulator, what OS + version
number + any other details.
Good Luck.
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Date: 05-03-90 (12:18) Number: 285
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: AL VYSSOTSKY Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: APPC Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Hi there. I'm representing some programmers at Met Life in Greenville
SC. We've just installed OS/2 1.2 EE with Token-Ring 3270 emulation and
would like some information on APPC. We don't know anything about it,
but we've been told that it's something we should look at in developing
cooperative processing applications. If anyone out there knows of any
good reading material on the subject, could you please let us know?
Thanks.
Al Vyssotsky, Met Life
Date: 05-03-90 (22:56) Number: 286
To: SCOTT SCOTTO Refer#: 283
From: ALAN BIRD Read: NO
Subj: TOKEN RING AND 3270 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I'm running a QUADRAM Mainlink IIm 3270 card and an IBM Token Ring
Adapter/A in a Mod 70 with no problems. I did have to set the interrupt
level on the token ring card to 3. The 3270 card was not configurable
and had to have interrupt 2.
--Alan Bird
Date: 05-05-90 (12:14) Number: 287
To: DENNIS FRIEDL Refer#: 281
From: WYN EASTON Read: NO
Subj: COMMENT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
>.the familar "chirp" is heard. Immediately after the third "chirp" we
>get: NET807:System Error,Netbios Error
Dennis - I checked the Network Manual and it said that this error could
be caused by an address conflict. If you are using locally administered
addresses, someone else has the same one as you. It is pretty unlikely
that two cards would have the same number burned in, but stranger things
have happened.......
Wyn Easton - SysOp
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Date: 05-05-90 (17:56) Number: 288
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: BRIAN RULL Read: (N/A)
Subj: WINDOWS ON DOS REQUESTORS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
UNDER OS/2 LAN SERVER 1.2, ARE THERE ANY PROBLEMS RUNNING WINDOWS BASED
APPLICATIONS AT A DOS REQUESTOR. ARE THER ANY MEMORY CONFLICTS BETWEEN
THE MEMORY MANAGEMENT IN THE REQUESTOR CODE AND WINDOWS 386 V 3.0?
Date: 05-07-90 (10:41) Number: 289
To: SCOTT SCOTTO Refer#: 283
From: RON EISNER Read: NO
Subj: TOKEN RING AND 3270 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I also had to set the interrupt level to 3 (see msg. 286), but was
warned to put the 3270 board in a slot in front of the token ring board.
Something to do with the way the software in the power up config.
assigned things. I'm using a true blue 3270 board, but that may not
make a difference.
Ron
Date: 05-08-90 (18:41) Number: 290
To: JAMES GERBER Refer#: 279
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: NO
Subj: TAPE BACKUP UNDER 3+OPEN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Yeah ... given the reliability and frequency response of 8 track units,
I bet one could record about 1K bytes/ second and get 100K on a
cartridge!!!
James: You're probably being overly *generous*! <grin> Mark.
Date: 05-08-90 (19:00) Number: 291
To: AL VYSSOTSKY Refer#: 285
From: MARK CHAPMAN Read: NO
Subj: APPC Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
>would like some information on APPC.
>cooperative processing applications. If anyone out there knows of any
good reading material on the subject, could you please let us know?
Al: How about- Part No. Pub. No.
Introduction to APPC GG24-1584
IBM APPC Programmer's Guide SC40-0100
OS/2 EE 1.2 APPC Programming Reference 01F0263 S01F-0263
and perhaps (although not specifically APPC),
SAA Common Programming Interface:
Communications Reference SC26-4399
You should be able to get these directly from IBM.
I hope this helps get you started. Good luck. Mark.
Date: 05-10-90 (19:55) Number: 292
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: JIM FERGUSON Read: (N/A)
Subj: OS/2 NETBIOS SYSTEM CALLS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I am unable to send a datagram via the IBM OS/2 Dynamic
Link Routine interface. I have all of the needed doc and tech manuals
but cannot get this system call to function. The reset and add name
calls work fine. Has anyone successfully sent a NetBios datagram using
OS/2 v1.1? If so I would apreciate learning what needs to be done to
accomplish it. The Microsoft API presents no problem when sending a
datagram.
Date: 05-11-90 (23:35) Number: 293
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: JOHN FRANGOS Read: (N/A)
Subj: TOKEN RING LAN SYSTEM Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I am working with an office that wanted to set up a token ring network
and it is now working fine except for 1 problem. I nneded
expanded memory on one of the stations and it enabled OK with device=
emm.sys. The problem comes when I rejoin the network, When I did
this I get a NETBIOS error and can no longer access it. I tried
different memory options with no luck. Any ideas? Thanks
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