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From: [e-mail]                            03-Sep-99 19:06:11
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 05:58:09
Subj: Re: Begging for help with either MPTS8610 or MPTS8620

From: Sacha Prins <[e-mail]>


Baden Kudrenecky wrote:

> In <[e-mail]>, Sacha Prins <[e-mail]>
writes:
> >Baden Kudrenecky wrote:
> >
> >> In <[e-mail]>, Sacha Prins
<[e-mail]> writes:
> >>
> >>    AFAIK, the 86xx MPTS is really buggy, get an 8423 or 8424.
> >
> >How does 842x stack up against 86xx in performance? I'm afraid I need the
32 bit
> >performance for the stuff I'm doing.
> >
> >Sacha
>
>    AFAIK, 8423 and 8424 are 32 bit stacks.  I just looked on my
> one computer with 8424, and it is definitely a 32 bit stack, and
> the syslevel states that the previous version was a 8421, which
> I believe also was a 32 bit stack, as I went 32 bit in spring
> 1998, with the previous January MPTS (8421?), and it
> significantly improved the TCP/IP performance.

It seems 8423 is missing a TCPIP32.DLL, and therefore does not qualify as 32
bit stack. The
DLLs may be 32-bit, but that's minor detail I think. The stack is still the
'old' one and
the 86xx ones are true 32-bit 'new' BSD stacks.

At least that's what I think.

That doesn't really matter though. If 8423/8424 are stable then I'll go for
that.

I'm now in contact with an MPTS developper. Hopefully he can help me further.

Sacha


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From: [e-mail]                            03-Sep-99 18:59:19
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 05:58:10
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>

Bill, a few corrections are in order.

Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
>
> In article <05C6FUhLDNUU-pn2-1PxK1cuW0rwq@localhost>,
>   [e-mail] (William Sonna)
>      and a host of others wrote:
>         <<<snip>>>
>
> There's been a lot of really misinformed stuff posted
> on this thread.

Not a correction, a comment, "there sure has".

>
> COMMIT essentially merges the Backup -- MERGES, not
> simply deletes -- into the Archive, and only THEN
> does it delete the Backup.  You don't need to COMMIT
> before applying a FP.  (I think it's the smart thing
> to do & it's what I've always done, but it's not
> necessary.  I wait until I'm about to apply a new FP
> & I do a COMMIT then.  So as long as a FP is the
> latest, I can back it out.)  For example, if you
> COMMIT FP5, then apply FPs 6, 7, & 8, your Archive
> level will be FP5 & your Backup level will be FP7.
> You will be able to back FP8 out to Archive level,
> which would be FP5, or Backup level, which would be
> FP 7.  Or you can COMMIT to FP8, which merges
> Backup.......
>
> Ummmm........  Hang on.  After a little reading of
> the README.INF, I need to revise what I started to
> say.  COMMIT takes the serviced files currently on
> your system & writes them into the Archive, then
> deletes the Backup.  So for the scenario I'm building
> here, if you apply FP8 then COMMIT, the Archive
> contains FP8 level modules & the Backup is deleted.
> This should scare you a very great distance away from
> the claim I've read here that COMMIT just deletes the
> CSF Backup so you can do it manually.  Irv said not
> to.  Do what Irv says.

Nope, there is NOTHING done with either the BACKUP (except ERASE it) or
the ARCHIVE during the COMMIT process. What DOES get touched is the log*
files. It essentially disconnects the ARCHIVE from the fix process and
the FixTool can no longer find it. What you have done is really 'made
the system that you are now using the BASE system', you can NOT go
backwards to anything. The reason for leaving the ARCHIVE is that, today
at least, with LAN's, more than ONE machine can share ARCHIVES. Many
corporations do this, use a LAN drive as the ARCHIVE for all systems.
Deleting that on a machine could cause problems. If one just deletes a
directory like ARCHIVE, they too have essentially done a COMMIT, but the
next time they try to use the FixTool, poof, it can't find the directory
and complains. BACKUP isn't as essential as the ARCHIVE as that does get
erased and recreate on every FP install.

Oh, another thing, what goes INTO the ARCHIVE is the ORGINAL files that
you laid down. As a FP is applied, the target file will go either to the
ARCHIVE if it DOESN'T EXIST there AND the BACK-UP. If the file DIDN'T
EXIST in the ARCHIVE, it is assumed to be a BASE file, and that way,
restoring to ARCHIVE will get you back to either your BASE install, or
the COMMITed SYSTEM if you did a COMMIT.

Another extra from the FixTool past 1.39 is the addition of a file so
the FixTool knows the level you had done a COMMIT to. That will stop you
from applying FP 9 over FP 11 if you COMMITed FP 11 as the base SYSTEM.

>
> And I see the terms Fix Pack & Service Pack used in
> the README.INF in such a way that makes me realize
> they are NOT the same thing.  I must say I don't know
> what a Service Pack is.  All I've ever seen for OS/2
> are Fix Packs.

The README.INF has NOT been updated (would need major translation work
for 26 languages), so we've been going on using the READ.ME in the
FixTool package. When that file was created, and I'm talking OS/2 2.x
timeframe here, Service Pak was the name used...

Irv

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From: [e-mail]                                03-Sep-99 14:09:20
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 05:58:10
Subj: RSU fail due to unzip RC=3

From: Dick Kurtz <[e-mail]>

Ref:     Append at 15:56:53 on 99/09/03 GMT (by [e-mail] (Chris Hall)

Turn of verbose mode and try it again?

> I had previously successfully applied fp11 to warp 4 but now if I try to
> use RSU, even for download & unzip only, it stops at the unzip of the tbl
> file with an error code of 3. I have installed the latest rsuinst.exe,
unzip.exe
> and rxftp.dll. Any suggestons? I want to get an $rsutmp$ set up for an older
> machine running warp3

Dick Kurtz
eBusiness Development, Austin Tx.

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From: [e-mail]                                  03-Sep-99 19:49:06
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 05:58:10
Subj: Re: RSU fail due to unzip RC=3

From: [e-mail] (Chris Hall)

In <7qp69f$rlm$[e-mail]>, Dick Kurtz <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Ref:     Append at 15:56:53 on 99/09/03 GMT (by [e-mail] (Chris Hall)
>
>Turn of verbose mode and try it again?
>
>> I had previously successfully applied fp11 to warp 4 but now if I try to
>> use RSU, even for download & unzip only, it stops at the unzip of the tbl
>> file with an error code of 3. I have installed the latest rsuinst.exe,
unzip.exe
>> and rxftp.dll. Any suggestons? I want to get an $rsutmp$ set up for an
older
>> machine running warp3
>
>Dick Kurtz
>eBusiness Development, Austin Tx.

Dick:

Thanks, I think that was it. I had turned on verbose because I did not want to
run
the update and I wanted as much info as possible. Turns out debug (which
does work) is better anyway. I had already found that RSU worked using
NS 2.02 on this set up and my maintenance partition. I now can get it to
work with Communicator 4.04.

Chris Hall  ([e-mail])
Dept. of Geological Sciences, U. of Michigan
"They use Microsoft Excel to plot their data. Sometimes they get the results
they expect, sometimes they don't."   from Microsoft TV commercial, 1999.


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From: [e-mail]                           03-Sep-99 22:22:14
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 05:58:10
Subj: Re: Netscape Communicator for OS/2 4.04 Fix Pack XR_1404

From: "bernd hohmann" <[e-mail]>

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:18:29 GMT, Jeffrey S. Kobal wrote:

> > Excuse me for butting in, but I've never seen anywhere to properly
> > report problems to IBM. [...]

> http://www.software.ibm.com/os/warp/support/

> On this page, there are many areas to get information and assistance
> with IBM software products, including OS/2.

jeff, this is no offend nor an insult, but think about it. feel like
the most of us here in this newsgroup.

- a large customer of ibm and os/2 does not need this page. local
support will provide the informations, because a maintenance contract
already exists.

- for soho / end-users:
link 1: personal software services. read about APARs. no link to
'report a problem with os/2'. uh; technical assistance does.

link 2: is the 'technical assistance from link no.1.there we can find
a form which can be downloaded via ftp and should be send to a
compuserve account. WOW ! it changed to an ibm-address in may'99. i'd
tried this form once time ago. after fixpack #?? in warp3/lanserver 4
some dos-batches went wrong and a super master genius god-like
teacher instructs me, that lanserver 4 is out of service. my
response, that this is not a problem of lanserver but a problem of
this fixpack (dos is a service of warp not of lanserver) results in a
question like 'do you want report a problem in warp 3 or lanserver -
if you cannot decide, let it be'. thank you for the conversation ->
[x] plonk

link 3: customer support of lotus. os/2 ?

link 4: ibm support site. os/2 ?

> If you then click on "IBM Support Site", you'll links at
> the bottom of the page for registered customers to submit
> problem reports.

there are 2 links. 'passport advantage members' and 'support line
members'. the last links leads via 'os/2 and dos' to link no.2, the
first link 'has periodic scheduled down time'.

and now ?

regards,
  bernd

OS/2 Warp 4.10 (de)



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From: [e-mail]                           03-Sep-99 22:31:21
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 05:58:10
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: "bernd hohmann" <[e-mail]>

On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:59:39 GMT, Irv Spalten wrote:

irv,

> Bill, a few corrections are in order.

fine. with the exception of other languages, why not create some kind
of 'latest.txt' in plain & understandable english and put it into the
distribution ?

IBMs (sometimes pleasant) mania to support several languages is
hindering evolution.

just my 5 cents.

regards,
   bernd

OS/2 Warp 4.10 (de)



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From: [e-mail]                              31-Aug-99 22:47:26
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 05:58:10
Subj: Communicator Startup Bug

From: Jeremy Bowen <[e-mail]>

Can anyone point me to a reference to the Communicator 4.61 command
line options. I wish to create Icons on the desktop for different
users and have it startup using the correct profile.

I seem to remember from older versions something of the form
"netscape -mail -p Jeremy" which would startup in the mail view
using my profile.

When I try this now, I get:
'Communicator cannot use the profile "-mail", because the directory
containing the profile has been moved or deleted'

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|   JeremyB@clea  |  so your opinion has very little         | {_XX_(_@=
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From: [e-mail]                                    03-Sep-99 21:45:14
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 11:08:13
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
  Irv Spalten <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Bill, a few corrections are in order.
>
> Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
> >
> > In article
<05C6FUhLDNUU-pn2-1PxK1cuW0rwq@localhost>,
> >   [e-mail] (William Sonna)
> >      and a host of others wrote:
        <<<snip>>>
> Nope, there is NOTHING done with either the BACKUP
(except ERASE it) or
> the ARCHIVE during the COMMIT process. What DOES
get touched is the log*
> files. It essentially disconnects the ARCHIVE from
the fix process and
> the FixTool can no longer find it. What you have
done is really 'made
> the system that you are now using the BASE system',
you can NOT go
> backwards to anything.
        <<<snip>>>
> Oh, another thing, what goes INTO the ARCHIVE is
the ORGINAL files that
> you laid down. As a FP is applied, the target file
will go either to the
> ARCHIVE if it DOESN'T EXIST there AND the BACK-UP.
If the file DIDN'T
> EXIST in the ARCHIVE, it is assumed to be a BASE
file, and that way,
> restoring to ARCHIVE will get you back to either
your BASE install, or
> the COMMITed SYSTEM if you did a COMMIT.

Now I'm confused again.  My explanation had to be too
good to be true, right?  So look.  Here's what I see
in my Archive, just as one example:

[E:\csf_arcvw4]dir use*

The volume label in drive E is WARPDATA.
The Volume Serial Number is A5D2:D2E7.
Directory of E:\csf_arcvw4

 2-19-99  5:05p       211,740      0 a--r  USE6.EX_
 9-16-98  7:12p       211,686      0 a--r  USE5.EX_
 7-06-98  3:41p       211,624      0 a--r  USE4.EX_
 4-29-98  4:59p       211,548      0 a--r  USE3.EX_
10-28-97  5:28p       210,957      0 a--r  USE2.EX_
 8-29-96  3:40p       203,638      0 a--r  USER.EX_
        6 file(s)     1,261,193 bytes used

These are all PACKed versions of the Win-OS/2 module
USER.EXE.  As far as I can tell, these are from the,
evidently, 6 different Fix Packs out of the 11 so far
in which this module was updated.  I looked in a
couple of them & they each contain just the one file
USER.EXE.  I think I understand (and believe) that a
COMMIT makes the Archive essentially useless because
my current USER.EXE is dated 3/9/99.  So the most
recent Archived one is 1 FP level back.......

Oh.  Wait.  I haven't COMMITted FP11 yet.  OK.  So I
need to revisit this when I do COMMIT FP11.

No, wait again.  I HAVE COMMITted to FP10.
Obviously, the 2-19-99 version listed above must be
the FP10 version.  If I back out to Archive level,
that has to be the one SERVICE backs out to.  I think
I'm back to confused again, Irv..........

Still, it looks like Fix Tool actually Archives EVERY
VERSION of every file it's ever updated.  I assume
the Backout to Archive understands this naming
convention & picks the right one to restore, right?
Or is that something one would have to do manually?
Or is this just an added service of SERVICE that
allows you to restore to any version of any
maintained file you might choose?

        <<<snip>>>

By the way, I responded to wswain via private E-mail
by encouraging him to get current on all GA level
maintenance, including Communicator, Java, Feature
Installer, networking, etc.  And have a good backup
to restore from just in case.  I would have simply
responded here if I had realized he had also posted.
Post+E-mail is something I find annoying.  One or the
other.  Not both, please.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


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From: [e-mail]                              03-Sep-99 22:23:02
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 11:08:13
Subj: NS/2 4.04 is driving me crazy!

From: [e-mail] (Thomas Nagy)

This problem with NS/2 is getting worse and although I am a long time
OS/2 user, I cannot figure out what's wrong. It could be an OS/2 problem
but since it happens to NS/2 ONLY, I have my doubts. Here is the problem:

While using NS/2, every 1-2 minutes, the whole system stops for 10-15
seconds: the clock does not progress, the mouse shows 'busy' and I cannot
do anything. If I happen to click the mouse twice during this time, after the
10-15 seconds the window list comes up to make things more frustrating.
There is a heavy disk activity during this time.

I know that others have experienced the other problem I have with NS/2,
namely, the system is basically 'hung' for several seconds (or a few
minutes, if you use NS/2 for a longer period of time) after you close NS/2.
I bet that this is related to the problem above.

None of this happens with NS/2 2.02. I thought that it could be some java
problem and tried to play with the parameters -noasyncgc -noclassgc
and -nojit but this has no effect. Also tried various disk and memory cache
settings with no positive effects at all.

I am at the limit of my patience. WTF is wrong?
Please reply if you have a clue. Thank you.

Thomas Nagy
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From: [e-mail]                                  03-Sep-99 18:21:20
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 11:08:13
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: [e-mail]

In <37cfe74c$1$jfjnva$[e-mail]>, on 09/03/99 at 11:20 AM,
   [e-mail] said:

>WW;
>You recently said in this thread:
>"There's been a lot of really misinformed stuff posted on this thread. "
>And then went on to discuss some of the finer points of installing fix
>paks.

>You appear to be rather knowledgeable, which is what I need.  I run Warp
>4, no fix paks.  I have Fix Pak 6 but am reluctant to install it for two
>reasons:  I don't have a lot of trouble with my Warp 4 (although lately
>it weems to be getting cranky) but more importantly, I am concerned that
>my attempt to install 6 will result in a horrid crash.

>I need the computer for my work, I think OS2 is the best os for my
>purposes and I don't want to screw things up.

>BUT.... I understand Fix Six should be installed to get Y2K compliant.

>My six is on a CD and the installation seems fairly straightforward for a
>low intermediate skilled computer user such as myself.

>Would you recommend I install Six?  If so are there any hidden abysses I
>should be looking out for?

>Thanks for your help.

>Regards,

>Whit  (In the Dayton suburbs)

It is my feeble understanding that you must (underlined) must...have at
least FP 5 installed in order to use Lotus Smart Suite apps and the latest
Netscape since FP5 introduced the OpenDoc to Warp.  Now I have 5 installed
since I got LSS and have not needed to go farther.  Irv has remarked as
various Fixpaks have come and gone, that if you dont need it dont install
it.  I can vouch for No5.  It went in without pain.  I cannot vouch for No
6.  You should try deja news and see if you can resurrect the cries of
pain at its arrival.  In any event make sure you have the correct Fixtool
(the latest should work I am told).   Also read the instructions
carefully. --
----------------------------------------------------
------
Monroe Chasson
[e-mail]
-----------------------------------------------------------
MR2ICE reg#51

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From: [e-mail]                                     03-Sep-99 23:25:14
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 11:08:14
Subj: Re: NS/2 4.04 is driving me crazy!

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <[e-mail]>

I have posted many times about this problem and never got the
solution. I have done everything that was ever suggested.
It has just happened again. It probably uncached for about 8-9 seconds.
Freezes my system. If you ever get the answer please write me direct.
I have taken everything out of my system that I can. But NS4.04
still causes the problem. I'd have finished this but it froze again.
I am using Aurora 196MB RAM, 10gig IBMide hard drive on
Cyrix MII 300 chip. I do have a SCSI card and SIS chipsets with
2 JFS partitions but no partitions over 4Gig. And it just gets worse
until the system is booted. Which is bad for a webhost to boot the
system because of this. Ditto this help request! Any suggestions out there?

Thomas Nagy wrote:

> This problem with NS/2 is getting worse and although I am a long time
> OS/2 user, I cannot figure out what's wrong. It could be an OS/2 problem
> but since it happens to NS/2 ONLY, I have my doubts. Here is the problem:
>
> While using NS/2, every 1-2 minutes, the whole system stops for 10-15
> seconds: the clock does not progress, the mouse shows 'busy' and I cannot
> do anything. If I happen to click the mouse twice during this time, after
the
> 10-15 seconds the window list comes up to make things more frustrating.
> There is a heavy disk activity during this time.
>
> I know that others have experienced the other problem I have with NS/2,
> namely, the system is basically 'hung' for several seconds (or a few
> minutes, if you use NS/2 for a longer period of time) after you close NS/2.
> I bet that this is related to the problem above.
>
> None of this happens with NS/2 2.02. I thought that it could be some java
> problem and tried to play with the parameters -noasyncgc -noclassgc
> and -nojit but this has no effect. Also tried various disk and memory cache
> settings with no positive effects at all.
>
> I am at the limit of my patience. WTF is wrong?
> Please reply if you have a clue. Thank you.
>
> Thomas Nagy
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Check out my cats! (http://members.home.net/2832779232/index.htm)
> Free Office Suite: http://www.stardivision.com/so40/index.html

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From: [e-mail]                                03-Sep-99 19:49:21
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 11:08:14
Subj: Re: NS/2 4.04 is driving me crazy!

From: [e-mail]

"David D. Huff Jr." <[e-mail]> said:

>And it just gets worse
>until the system is booted. Which is bad for a webhost to boot the
>system because of this. Ditto this help request! Any suggestions out
>there?

I think this is being addressed or has been.  At least on the NS4OS2
mailing list there has been similar discussions and they sounded
positive.  I didn't pay that much attention because my own bugs were
in a different area.  But it seems like it has been mentioned in
regard to the gamma release.

Jim L
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From: [e-mail]                               04-Sep-99 02:10:19
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 11:08:14
Subj: Re: NS/2 4.04 is driving me crazy!

From: Willy Steger <[e-mail]>

Hi Thomas,

Thomas Nagy wrote:
>
>
> I know that others have experienced the other problem I have with NS/2,
> namely, the system is basically 'hung' for several seconds (or a few
> minutes, if you use NS/2 for a longer period of time) after you close NS/2.
> I bet that this is related to the problem above.
>
> None of this happens with NS/2 2.02. I thought that it could be some java
> problem and tried to play with the parameters -noasyncgc -noclassgc
> and -nojit but this has no effect. Also tried various disk and memory cache
> settings with no positive effects at all.

I solved this problem by deinstalling both NS 2.02 and NS 4.04, cleaning
config.sys and *.ini, prior to installing NS 4.61b.

Willy

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From: [e-mail]                                04-Sep-99 03:51:22
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 11:08:14
Subj: Re: Begging for help with either MPTS8610 or MPTS8620

From: [e-mail]   (Baden Kudrenecky)

In <[e-mail]>, Sacha Prins <[e-mail]>
writes:
>
>
>Baden Kudrenecky wrote:
>
>> In <[e-mail]>, Sacha Prins
<[e-mail]> writes:
>> >Baden Kudrenecky wrote:
>> >
>> >> In <[e-mail]>, Sacha Prins
<[e-mail]> writes:
>> >>
>> >>    AFAIK, the 86xx MPTS is really buggy, get an 8423 or 8424.
>> >
>> >How does 842x stack up against 86xx in performance? I'm afraid I need the
32 bit
>> >performance for the stuff I'm doing.
>> >
>> >Sacha
>>
>>    AFAIK, 8423 and 8424 are 32 bit stacks.  I just looked on my
>> one computer with 8424, and it is definitely a 32 bit stack, and
>> the syslevel states that the previous version was a 8421, which
>> I believe also was a 32 bit stack, as I went 32 bit in spring
>> 1998, with the previous January MPTS (8421?), and it
>> significantly improved the TCP/IP performance.
>
>It seems 8423 is missing a TCPIP32.DLL, and therefore does not qualify as 32
bit stack. The
>DLLs may be 32-bit, but that's minor detail I think. The stack is still the
'old' one and
>the 86xx ones are true 32-bit 'new' BSD stacks.

   My 8423 has a 32 bit "TCP32DLL.DLL" in use, as well as a 32
bit "TCPIPDLL.DLL".

>At least that's what I think.
>
>That doesn't really matter though. If 8423/8424 are stable then I'll go for
that.
>
>I'm now in contact with an MPTS developper. Hopefully he can help me further.
>
>Sacha
>
>


baden

[e-mail]
http://baden.nu/
OS/2, Solaris & Linux

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From: [e-mail]                                     04-Sep-99 04:10:21
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 11:08:14
Subj: Re: NS/2 4.04 is driving me crazy!

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <[e-mail]>

I just found the solution to my problem. The netscape.hst file had grown over
5 Mb and that was it. I renamed the history file and set the file to 0 in the
preferences
and that was all it took. Darn I wasted several evenings trying to find
the problem. What a pisser who'd of thought that NS did forced writes
to the hard drive for the damn history file!?! Well the mystery is solved.
Hope this cures your woes as well.
Dave


Thomas Nagy wrote:

> This problem with NS/2 is getting worse and although I am a long time
> OS/2 user, I cannot figure out what's wrong. It could be an OS/2 problem
> but since it happens to NS/2 ONLY, I have my doubts. Here is the problem:
>
> While using NS/2, every 1-2 minutes, the whole system stops for 10-15
> seconds: the clock does not progress, the mouse shows 'busy' and I cannot
> do anything. If I happen to click the mouse twice during this time, after
the
> 10-15 seconds the window list comes up to make things more frustrating.
> There is a heavy disk activity during this time.
>
> I know that others have experienced the other problem I have with NS/2,
> namely, the system is basically 'hung' for several seconds (or a few
> minutes, if you use NS/2 for a longer period of time) after you close NS/2.
> I bet that this is related to the problem above.
>
> None of this happens with NS/2 2.02. I thought that it could be some java
> problem and tried to play with the parameters -noasyncgc -noclassgc
> and -nojit but this has no effect. Also tried various disk and memory cache
> settings with no positive effects at all.
>
> I am at the limit of my patience. WTF is wrong?
> Please reply if you have a clue. Thank you.
>
> Thomas Nagy
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Check out my cats! (http://members.home.net/2832779232/index.htm)
> Free Office Suite: http://www.stardivision.com/so40/index.html

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From: [e-mail]                                04-Sep-99 00:37:01
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 11:08:14
Subj: Re: NS/2 4.04 is driving me crazy!

From: [e-mail]

"David D. Huff Jr." <[e-mail]> said:
>I just found the solution to my problem. The netscape.hst file had
>grown over 5 Mb and that was it.

AHA!  I think that silly history thing has messed up a lot of folks.
You need to set a shorter deletion time in preferences.  I have mine
set at 3 days and it still gets pretty big sometimes.  Guess I'll set
it to 2 days.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.


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From: [e-mail]                              04-Sep-99 04:56:03
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 11:08:14
Subj: Re: NS/2 4.04 is driving me crazy!

From: [e-mail] (Thomas Nagy)

"David D. Huff Jr." <[e-mail]> writes:
>I just found the solution to my problem. The netscape.hst file had grown over
>5 Mb and that was it. I renamed the history file and set the file to 0 in the
>preferences
>and that was all it took. Darn I wasted several evenings trying to find
>the problem. What a pisser who'd of thought that NS did forced writes
>to the hard drive for the damn history file!?! Well the mystery is solved.
>Hope this cures your woes as well.
>Dave

Dave,

You got it! Congratulations and a big THANK YOU!
No more history file for me (at least for a while)!

Thomas Nagy
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Check out my cats! (http://members.home.net/2832779232/index.htm)
Free Office Suite: http://www.stardivision.com/so40/index.html


>Thomas Nagy wrote:
>
>> This problem with NS/2 is getting worse and although I am a long time
>> OS/2 user, I cannot figure out what's wrong. It could be an OS/2 problem
>> but since it happens to NS/2 ONLY, I have my doubts. Here is the problem:
>>
>> While using NS/2, every 1-2 minutes, the whole system stops for 10-15
>> seconds: the clock does not progress, the mouse shows 'busy' and I cannot
>> do anything. If I happen to click the mouse twice during this time, after
the
>> 10-15 seconds the window list comes up to make things more frustrating.
>> There is a heavy disk activity during this time.
>>
>> I know that others have experienced the other problem I have with NS/2,
>> namely, the system is basically 'hung' for several seconds (or a few
>> minutes, if you use NS/2 for a longer period of time) after you close NS/2.
>> I bet that this is related to the problem above.
>>
>> None of this happens with NS/2 2.02. I thought that it could be some java
>> problem and tried to play with the parameters -noasyncgc -noclassgc
>> and -nojit but this has no effect. Also tried various disk and memory cache
>> settings with no positive effects at all.
>>
>> I am at the limit of my patience. WTF is wrong?
>> Please reply if you have a clue. Thank you.
>>
>> Thomas Nagy
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Check out my cats! (http://members.home.net/2832779232/index.htm)
>> Free Office Suite: http://www.stardivision.com/so40/index.html
>

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From: no-one@nospam                                     04-Sep-99 12:30:09
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 11:08:15
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: no-one@nospam

On 1 Sep 1999 01:29:14 GMT, [e-mail] (Gerry Chilibeck) wrote:

>When I installed fp11 6 weeks ago...I began to lose sight of the mail
>folders in PRMailer V3.0.  The folders and files still exist, the
>folders just disappear in the application.   Several others reported
>the same problem.

Hmmm, a similar thing has recently happened to me with PMMail and I
also have fp11.    This the culprit here as well ??

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From: [e-mail]                   04-Sep-99 20:24:27
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 11:08:15
Subj: Communicator 4.61 beta 2 - disappearing window.

From: [e-mail] (stephen)

Just had an interesting occurrence.

I tried to save a page as a text file. It so happened that I had
already saved it as such, so a message popped up about there already
being a file with that named, did I want to over write it (or
something to that effect).

However, this message only existed briefly and then disappeared before
I could do anything with it.

When I closed Communicator, and some other programs as well, I
discovered this message still in existence, it was simply hidden
behind other programs. However, this window did not appear in the
window list.

I have repeated the procedure and it happened again. The window does
not appear in the Window List. However, the window can be brought to
the front by cycling through the open windows using Alt-Tab.

Has anyone else had this happen to them?

(I know the file download window did not appear in the window list in
Beta 1, and that has been corrected in Beta 2.) This is a warning
window.

Regards,

Stephen

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From: [e-mail]                   04-Sep-99 20:24:27
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 11:08:15
Subj: Re: Communicator Startup Bug

From: [e-mail] (stephen)

This is busted in 4.61 beta 2, although it worked in Beta 1. I
understand it is being attended to so should work in future versions.

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:47:52, Jeremy Bowen <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>
> Can anyone point me to a reference to the Communicator 4.61 command
> line options. I wish to create Icons on the desktop for different
> users and have it startup using the correct profile.
>
> I seem to remember from older versions something of the form
> "netscape -mail -p Jeremy" which would startup in the mail view
> using my profile.
>
> When I try this now, I get:
> 'Communicator cannot use the profile "-mail", because the directory
> containing the profile has been moved or deleted'
>
> --
>  /----------------------------------------------------------\   o@C>-
> |  <Jeremy Bowen> | "It's a question of intelligence         |  __/___
> |   JeremyB@clea  |  so your opinion has very little         | {_XX_(_@=
> |     r.net.nz    |  relevance" . . . Avon  Blake's 7        | o@C>-
>  \----------------------------------------------------------/    o@C>-

Regards,

Stephen

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From: [e-mail]                                   04-Sep-99 15:59:14
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 16:39:02
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: [e-mail]   (Joe Kovacs)

In <[e-mail]>, Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Bill, a few corrections are in order.

>> And I see the terms Fix Pack & Service Pack used in
>> the README.INF in such a way that makes me realize
>> they are NOT the same thing.  I must say I don't know
>> what a Service Pack is.  All I've ever seen for OS/2
>> are Fix Packs.
>
>The README.INF has NOT been updated (would need major translation work
>for 26 languages), so we've been going on using the READ.ME in the
>FixTool package. When that file was created, and I'm talking OS/2 2.x
>timeframe here, Service Pak was the name used...

Noted.

But nonono, this thread complains again and again about
incomprehensible instructions, not perfect detail.

The fixpacks' owner is getting it _all wrong.   :^)



Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: [e-mail]                                   04-Sep-99 15:33:13
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 16:39:02
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: [e-mail]   (Joe Kovacs)

:-) Nonono, this bullshit is incomprehensible.



In <7qnh8e$lo1$[e-mail]>, Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser
<[e-mail]> writes:
>In article <05C6FUhLDNUU-pn2-1PxK1cuW0rwq@localhost>,
>  [e-mail] (William Sonna)
>     and a host of others wrote:
>        <<<snip>>>
>
>There's been a lot of really misinformed stuff posted
>on this thread.  Except, of course, Irv Spalten's
>words, which are gospel because he owns the Kicker.
>Excuse me, Fix Tool.  Kicker, Fix Tool, CSF, these
>are synonyms.
>
>Some specific responses to specific bits of
>misinformation I've read in the other posts:
>
>- Archive bits have nothing to do with CSF.
>
>- Don't mess with the CSF Archive & Backup; the cost
>of the disk space pales in comparison with the cost
>of the troubles you buy with that extra disk space
>next time you try to apply a Fix Pack.  Keep them.
>Never delete them.  Disk space is cheap these days.
>
>- There is a flat ASCII text file READ.ME that comes
>with the Fix Tool.  It contains some good operational
>details, information about parameters, & what not.
>There is also a README.INF that sort of explains the
>concepts of Archive & Backup.  You really should read
>& study them both.  Basically, Archive & Backup are
>both backups of modules serviced by Fix Packs.
>Archive is an older set; Backup is newer.  Archive is
>written during the first FP you apply after a COMMIT.
>And other times.  Read on.  Backup is written as step
>0 of EVERY FIX PACK APPLICATION.  Backout of a FP
>goes to either Backup level or Archive level.  No
>other choices.  Backup or Archive.  Simple Backout of
>a FP goes to the Backup & undoes the changes made by
>your most recent FP.  Backout to Archive skips back
>however many levels & does the same thing from the
>CSF Archive.
>
>COMMIT essentially merges the Backup -- MERGES, not
>simply deletes -- into the Archive, and only THEN
>does it delete the Backup.  You don't need to COMMIT
>before applying a FP.  (I think it's the smart thing
>to do & it's what I've always done, but it's not
>necessary.  I wait until I'm about to apply a new FP
>& I do a COMMIT then.  So as long as a FP is the
>latest, I can back it out.)  For example, if you
>COMMIT FP5, then apply FPs 6, 7, & 8, your Archive
>level will be FP5 & your Backup level will be FP7.
>You will be able to back FP8 out to Archive level,
>which would be FP5, or Backup level, which would be
>FP 7.  Or you can COMMIT to FP8, which merges
>Backup.......
>
>Ummmm........  Hang on.  After a little reading of
>the README.INF, I need to revise what I started to
>say.  COMMIT takes the serviced files currently on
>your system & writes them into the Archive, then
>deletes the Backup.  So for the scenario I'm building
>here, if you apply FP8 then COMMIT, the Archive
>contains FP8 level modules & the Backup is deleted.
>This should scare you a very great distance away from
>the claim I've read here that COMMIT just deletes the
>CSF Backup so you can do it manually.  Irv said not
>to.  Do what Irv says.
>
>And I see the terms Fix Pack & Service Pack used in
>the README.INF in such a way that makes me realize
>they are NOT the same thing.  I must say I don't know
>what a Service Pack is.  All I've ever seen for OS/2
>are Fix Packs.
>
>Irv responded to some similar questions I posed here
>in comp.os.os2.bugs several months ago.  Do some
>searches at Deja News & you'll find his corrections
>of my misconceptions at the time.
>
>- COMMIT works.  It worked for many levels of CSF,
>and then broke in . . . was it 1.38?  And I think it
>was sick for 2 or 3 releases of CSF.  But the current
>CSF, Fix Tool 1.41, has a perfectly functioning
>COMMIT function.  Again, search Deja News & you'll
>find posts complaining when COMMIT suddenly broke.
>
>WW
>Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.





Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada




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From: [e-mail]                                   04-Sep-99 16:14:06
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 16:39:02
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Whirlygig Pilots

From: [e-mail]   (Joe Kovacs)

I'm a stodgy soul.  I can't figure out if Will Kredentser is
posting straight.

The original poster pleaded, in clear language, for a plain,
simple explanation.

In <7qpfhm$379$[e-mail]>, Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser
<[e-mail]> writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>  Irv Spalten <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> Bill, a few corrections are in order.
>>
>> Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
>> >
>> > In article
><05C6FUhLDNUU-pn2-1PxK1cuW0rwq@localhost>,
>> >   [e-mail] (William Sonna)
>> >      and a host of others wrote:
>        <<<snip>>>
>> Nope, there is NOTHING done with either the BACKUP
>(except ERASE it) or
>> the ARCHIVE during the COMMIT process. What DOES
>get touched is the log*
>> files. It essentially disconnects the ARCHIVE from
>the fix process and
>> the FixTool can no longer find it. What you have
>done is really 'made
>> the system that you are now using the BASE system',
>you can NOT go
>> backwards to anything.
>        <<<snip>>>
>> Oh, another thing, what goes INTO the ARCHIVE is
>the ORGINAL files that
>> you laid down. As a FP is applied, the target file
>will go either to the
>> ARCHIVE if it DOESN'T EXIST there AND the BACK-UP.
>If the file DIDN'T
>> EXIST in the ARCHIVE, it is assumed to be a BASE
>file, and that way,
>> restoring to ARCHIVE will get you back to either
>your BASE install, or
>> the COMMITed SYSTEM if you did a COMMIT.
>
>Now I'm confused again.  My explanation had to be too
>good to be true, right?  So look.  Here's what I see
>in my Archive, just as one example:
>
>[E:\csf_arcvw4]dir use*
>
>The volume label in drive E is WARPDATA.
>The Volume Serial Number is A5D2:D2E7.
>Directory of E:\csf_arcvw4
>
> 2-19-99  5:05p       211,740      0 a--r  USE6.EX_
> 9-16-98  7:12p       211,686      0 a--r  USE5.EX_
> 7-06-98  3:41p       211,624      0 a--r  USE4.EX_
> 4-29-98  4:59p       211,548      0 a--r  USE3.EX_
>10-28-97  5:28p       210,957      0 a--r  USE2.EX_
> 8-29-96  3:40p       203,638      0 a--r  USER.EX_
>        6 file(s)     1,261,193 bytes used
>
>These are all PACKed versions of the Win-OS/2 module
>USER.EXE.  As far as I can tell, these are from the,
>evidently, 6 different Fix Packs out of the 11 so far
>in which this module was updated.  I looked in a
>couple of them & they each contain just the one file
>USER.EXE.  I think I understand (and believe) that a
>COMMIT makes the Archive essentially useless because
>my current USER.EXE is dated 3/9/99.  So the most
>recent Archived one is 1 FP level back.......
>
>Oh.  Wait.  I haven't COMMITted FP11 yet.  OK.  So I
>need to revisit this when I do COMMIT FP11.
>
>No, wait again.  I HAVE COMMITted to FP10.
>Obviously, the 2-19-99 version listed above must be
>the FP10 version.  If I back out to Archive level,
>that has to be the one SERVICE backs out to.  I think
>I'm back to confused again, Irv..........
>
>Still, it looks like Fix Tool actually Archives EVERY
>VERSION of every file it's ever updated.  I assume
>the Backout to Archive understands this naming
>convention & picks the right one to restore, right?
>Or is that something one would have to do manually?
>Or is this just an added service of SERVICE that
>allows you to restore to any version of any
>maintained file you might choose?
>
>        <<<snip>>>
>
>By the way, I responded to wswain via private E-mail
>by encouraging him to get current on all GA level
>maintenance, including Communicator, Java, Feature
>Installer, networking, etc.  And have a good backup
>to restore from just in case.  I would have simply
>responded here if I had realized he had also posted.
>Post+E-mail is something I find annoying.  One or the
>other.  Not both, please.


Unbelievable.


:^)
Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: [e-mail]                          04-Sep-99 15:23:01
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 16:39:02
Subj: Re: NS/2 4.04 is driving me crazy!

From: [e-mail] (Andrew Stephenson)

Now that someone has remembered the history file's contribution
to the unhappiness of Netscape users, perhaps it's time to repost
a little REXX file some kind soul (not me) produced a while ago.

I use this after pretty well every WWW access.  My thanks to the
true author.  (NB: the first char in the file is the first '/'.)

===
/* Clear the Netscape URL history list and other junk */

"del c:\netscape\cache\*.* /N"
"del c:\netscape\netscape.hst"
"del c:\netscape\cookies.txt"

call rxfuncadd 'sysloadfuncs', 'rexxutil', 'sysloadfuncs'
call sysloadfuncs

/* parse arg netscape_ini */
netscape_ini = "c:\netscape\netscape.ini"

do i = 1 to 10
    result = SysIni(netscape_ini, 'URL History', 'URL_' || i, 'DELETE:');
end i
===
--
Andrew Stephenson

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From: [e-mail]                            04-Sep-99 16:41:13
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 16:39:02
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Whirlygig Pilots

From: [e-mail]

In <c1.2b8.2S44Yw$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]   (Joe Kovacs)
writes:

>
>Unbelievable.
>:^)
>Joe Kovacs
>Guelph Ontario Canada

Strictly in humor here, OK?

  It would argue for commitment!

      :)


--> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)

[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                            04-Sep-99 17:00:05
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 20:09:00
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>

Bernd, that is EXACTLY what READ.ME in the FIXTOOL package is, the
lastest corrected information. The corrections were to Bill's comment.

Irv

bernd hohmann wrote:
>
> On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:59:39 GMT, Irv Spalten wrote:
>
> irv,
>
> > Bill, a few corrections are in order.
>
> fine. with the exception of other languages, why not create some kind
> of 'latest.txt' in plain & understandable english and put it into the
> distribution ?
>
> IBMs (sometimes pleasant) mania to support several languages is
> hindering evolution.
>
> just my 5 cents.
>
> regards,
>    bernd
>
> OS/2 Warp 4.10 (de)

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From: [e-mail]                            04-Sep-99 17:11:10
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 20:09:00
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>

Bill,

Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
>

>
> Now I'm confused again.  My explanation had to be too
> good to be true, right?  So look.  Here's what I see
> in my Archive, just as one example:
>
> [E:\csf_arcvw4]dir use*
>
> The volume label in drive E is WARPDATA.
> The Volume Serial Number is A5D2:D2E7.
> Directory of E:\csf_arcvw4
>
>  2-19-99  5:05p       211,740      0 a--r  USE6.EX_
>  9-16-98  7:12p       211,686      0 a--r  USE5.EX_
>  7-06-98  3:41p       211,624      0 a--r  USE4.EX_
>  4-29-98  4:59p       211,548      0 a--r  USE3.EX_
> 10-28-97  5:28p       210,957      0 a--r  USE2.EX_
>  8-29-96  3:40p       203,638      0 a--r  USER.EX_
>         6 file(s)     1,261,193 bytes used
>
> These are all PACKed versions of the Win-OS/2 module
> USER.EXE.  As far as I can tell, these are from the,
> evidently, 6 different Fix Packs out of the 11 so far
> in which this module was updated.  I looked in a
> couple of them & they each contain just the one file
> USER.EXE.  I think I understand (and believe) that a
> COMMIT makes the Archive essentially useless because
> my current USER.EXE is dated 3/9/99.  So the most
> recent Archived one is 1 FP level back.......
>
> Oh.  Wait.  I haven't COMMITted FP11 yet.  OK.  So I
> need to revisit this when I do COMMIT FP11.
>
> No, wait again.  I HAVE COMMITted to FP10.
> Obviously, the 2-19-99 version listed above must be
> the FP10 version.  If I back out to Archive level,
> that has to be the one SERVICE backs out to.  I think
> I'm back to confused again, Irv..........
>

OK, what you see is how the FixTool handles NAME COLLISIONS. You appear
to have KEPT the ARCHIVE and used it over and over again, even after
doing a COMMIT. In the archive directory is a log file, and the
LOG0000.OS2 works in concert with that file. Sometimes, when the file
name exists, it does a rename, but sometimes it doesn't.

Yes, the last COMITed FP level will come back. The other files will
never be used, unless another machine is sharing that ARCHIVE and will
use those files. If you are not sharing ARCHIVE, you can delete it.

Irv

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From: [e-mail]                            04-Sep-99 17:14:18
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 20:09:00
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>

Excuse me, I must be dense. What is wrong? What is unclear? Did the
URL's help? I'll update anything that is wrong.

Irv

Joe Kovacs wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]>, Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>
writes:
> >Bill, a few corrections are in order.
>
> >> And I see the terms Fix Pack & Service Pack used in
> >> the README.INF in such a way that makes me realize
> >> they are NOT the same thing.  I must say I don't know
> >> what a Service Pack is.  All I've ever seen for OS/2
> >> are Fix Packs.
> >
> >The README.INF has NOT been updated (would need major translation work
> >for 26 languages), so we've been going on using the READ.ME in the
> >FixTool package. When that file was created, and I'm talking OS/2 2.x
> >timeframe here, Service Pak was the name used...
>
> Noted.
>
> But nonono, this thread complains again and again about
> incomprehensible instructions, not perfect detail.
>
> The fixpacks' owner is getting it _all wrong.   :^)
>
> Joe Kovacs
> Guelph Ontario Canada

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From: [e-mail]                                  04-Sep-99 18:26:23
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 20:09:01
Subj: More on RSU and unzip RC=3

From: [e-mail] (Chris Hall)

I had previously posted that maybe turning off verbose mode solved my earlier
problem, but that theory was shot down by the reappearrance of the same
problem, this time in both Communicator 4.04 and Navigator 2.02. A reboot
fixes the problem. My current working hypothesis is that Ellie + Seti@home,
when seti accesses ftp, somehow cause this problem to occur, maybe via
a clash with ftpinst?? Just shutting down seti@home doesn't work; a reboot
is necessary. So for now, all I need to remember is to reboot before doing
any RSU work. Anyone seen this kind of thing?

Chris Hall  ([e-mail])
Dept. of Geological Sciences, U. of Michigan
"They use Microsoft Excel to plot their data. Sometimes they get the results
they expect, sometimes they don't."   from Microsoft TV commercial, 1999.


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From: [e-mail]                                04-Sep-99 16:31:10
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 04:16:02
Subj: Re: Visualage C++ and Warp4F11

From: [e-mail] (Will Honea)

On Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:01:24, [e-mail] wrote:

> I have the same problem with VisualAge C++ 3 FP8, Warp4 FP8. The SCSI
> Zip drive is E:. The only solution is to make sure there is always a
> disk in the drive.

Agreed that it's a workaround - but why should it be needed.

> About 20 DLLs have embedded file names that reference drive E: -
> cppoou3.dll has the string E:\DRIVER10\CPPOOU3 and _doscall.dll has a
> whole stack of E:\BUILD\RT\SRC\*.C names, for example. Whether this has
> anything to do with it I don't know.

I run it on machines with no E: drive at all and others where E: is a
LAN drive that may or may not be available and never see this so
what's special (peculiar) about a removable Zip drive???  Check some
of your own compiled DLL's and you will see similar paths, BTW.

Will Honea <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail]                                     05-Sep-99 00:38:00
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 04:16:02
Subj: Hobbes Mirror Operational for the Holiday

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <[e-mail]>

Hey all!
I after a quick restore I was able to bring my Hobbes mirror
online for the holiday.

If you've ever noticed OS/2 archives sometimes get taken down
by friend or foe over long weekends.

Only http access will be available over the weekend. (Apache)

So if you have a need try http://www.computer-critters.com



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From: [e-mail]                                   04-Sep-99 23:43:28
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 04:16:02
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Whirlygig Pilots

From: [e-mail]   (Joe Kovacs)

In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>In <c1.2b8.2S44Yw$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]   (Joe Kovacs)
writes:
>
>>Unbelievable.
>>:^)
>>Joe Kovacs
>>Guelph Ontario Canada
>
>Strictly in humor here, OK?

With his interpretation, Bill Kredentser demonstrates with his
vaccilation that the instructions for the FixTools cannot be
understood.

>  It would argue for commitment!
>
>      :)

Would this poster kindly expand on this.

>--> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)
>
>[e-mail]
>[e-mail]


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada





Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: [e-mail]                        05-Sep-99 00:46:09
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 04:16:02
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: [e-mail]

On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:30:18, no-one@nospam wrote:

> >When I installed fp11 6 weeks ago...I began to lose sight of the mail
> >folders in PRMailer V3.0.  The folders and files still exist, the
> >folders just disappear in the application.   Several others reported
> >the same problem.
>
> Hmmm, a similar thing has recently happened to me with PMMail and I
> also have fp11.    This the culprit here as well ??

Yes, this happened to me as well.  It occurs with versions 2.1 and
3.0.  This is particularly unfortunate as Innoval has just stopped
support of the product.  Perhaps this was the straw that broke the
camel's back?

Since it applies to both versions of PRM, I'm almost positive it's
Fixpack 11 related.  I uninstalled and cleaned out the os2.ini file
before reinstalling, so it has to be an outside influence.  As I'm
unwilling to back out FP 11, I'm looking for a new mail reader.

Doug Boulter

To reply by e-mail, remove the obvious spam traps from the address

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From: [e-mail]                    05-Sep-99 02:34:12
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 05:27:07
Subj: Re: Install Problem- Warp 3 and 10gig Drive

From: [e-mail]

In <7puh0v$54j$[e-mail]>, on 08/24/99
   at 12:25 PM, "M Lombana" <m_lombana<delete_me_to_reply>@yahoo.com>
said:

>If this has been covered before, I'm sorry, however this one has got me
>beat and I need a solution fast. I've been attempting to install Os2 Warp
>for 2 days now in the following configuration.

>Abit Motherboard - 128MB - Pii 400mHz - Diamond Viper 550 video IBM 10
>Gig drive and 4 partitions setup as follows:

>Primary P1- DOS 500 Meg (Intended for Dos 6 and Os2)
>Primary P2- NTFS 1g (Intended for NT)
>Primary P3- Fat32 1g (Intended for 98)
>P4 (Extended) Not formatted at this time will be for various uses.

>During install here is the situation. I load the 1st Os2 disk and the
>install begins, when asked for the 2nd disk the system gets to FDISK and
>reports that the drives are un-usable and cannot be created or installed
>to. I'm sure this is familiar to some.

>The next step was to download the IBM1s506 updates. It calls for 3 files
>to be copied to disk 1 however there is not enough room for this
>operation. In an attempt to get these files to load I was forced to
>remove the OS2LOGO file and the TEDIT Help file. This gave me the room on
>the disk and I was able to get to the FDISK program with success and
>proper drive sizes.

>Finally the system attempted to install to the 1st partition however this
>time rather than start the CD rom drive into gear, it continues to ask me
>for Floppys. I did change the Config.sys statement to set
>COPYFROMFLOPPY=1 as well as try =0 and remove it all together. In no case
>has this worked.

>Can someone please tell me what to do. I need to get this OS on the drive
>to run some software that will only run in the OS 2 environment.

>Please advise.
>Thanks, Miguel

>

=The classic pc bios limit for primary partitions if 4.
=Here extended partition is counted as one. And also OS/2
=bootmanager partition is counted for one. This partition
=plan will count for five. A working idea would be to
=install nt4 to logical drive in the extended partition
=instead of primary partition.
=
=Naturally, there are some 'advanced' bootmanagers,
=
=Osmo



Try  System Commander, It does not require a primary partition and works
well.  I've not upgraded my version sice I don't need FAT32 support.

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From: [e-mail]                 05-Sep-99 02:03:08
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 05:27:07
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: [e-mail] (Ken Walter)

On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:46:18, [e-mail] wrote:

>On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:30:18, no-one@nospam wrote:
>
>> >When I installed fp11 6 weeks ago...I began to lose sight of the mail
>> >folders in PRMailer V3.0.  The folders and files still exist, the
>> >folders just disappear in the application.   Several others reported
>> >the same problem.
>>
[...]
>Since it applies to both versions of PRM, I'm almost positive it's
>Fixpack 11 related.  I uninstalled and cleaned out the os2.ini file
>before reinstalling, so it has to be an outside influence.  As I'm
>unwilling to back out FP 11, I'm looking for a new mail reader.

FP11 started changing file attributes on directories when they were
modified.
Many programs assume there is only the D flag so they do not find
directories with A flags.  They should a searched for the D flag with
don't cares for the others.


Ken Walter

Remove -zamboni to reply
All the above is hearsay and the opinion of no one in particular

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From: [e-mail]                               04-Sep-99 22:04:11
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 05:27:08
Subj: fixpack via zip 100 drive

From: "Dilbert Firestorm" <[e-mail]>

hey..

anyone know how to install fixpack 38 from the Iomega 100 zip drive (scsi
version)?

If  so, what do I have to do?

I need to do this as I need  to uninstall fixpack 38 from warp 3 in an effort
to fix 2 problems, all of my windows 3.1 programs do not work in win/os2
sessions and netscape/2 2.02 has a memory leak which results in a swap file
error.

If I get this FP38 & netscape/2 2.02 uninstalled, I probably will do a refresh
of warp 3.

And then install fixpack 38, java 1.18 (I'm still using the old java 1.04),
netscape/2 2.02



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From: [e-mail]                              05-Sep-99 14:39:02
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 05:27:08
Subj: Re: Communicator Startup Bug

From: Jeremy Bowen <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (stephen) writes:

> This is busted in 4.61 beta 2, although it worked in Beta 1. I
> understand it is being attended to so should work in future
> versions.

Thanks for that. I'll look for it when the next release goes live.

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From: [e-mail]                            05-Sep-99 04:17:24
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 05:27:08
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Whirlygig Pilots

From: [e-mail]

In <c1.2b8.2S4GXr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]   (Joe Kovacs)
writes:
>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>>In <c1.2b8.2S44Yw$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]   (Joe Kovacs)
writes:
>>
>>>Unbelievable.
>>>:^)
>>>Joe Kovacs
>>>Guelph Ontario Canada
>>
>>Strictly in humor here, OK?
>
>With his interpretation, Bill Kredentser demonstrates with his
>vaccilation that the instructions for the FixTools cannot be
>understood.
>
>>  It would argue for commitment!
>>
>>      :)
>
>Would this poster kindly expand on this.

Certainly!

Commitment; the act of being committed  ..

     to staying with this discussion on whether and when
     it is more noble to commit or not to commit, for that
     is the question!

     :)

     Knowing when to commit is one thing.
     Understanding commitment is another.

     :)

--> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)

[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                                    05-Sep-99 04:29:24
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 05:27:08
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <[e-mail]>

In article <c1.2b8.2S43ft$[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Joe Kovacs) wrote:
    and Irv Spalten & others also wrote:

Hey Joe.  How's this for conciseness?

        <<<snip>>>

Try to learn it, OK?

And now, for those who think I should be committed...

Applying a Fix Pack starts by making copies of the
files about to be updated in the CSF Backup
directory.  This directory is cleared before this
operation begins.

If there is a CSF Archive, and these modules are not
already in the Archive, they are also copied to the
Archive.  If you're like me & never delete your
Archive (you were right, Irv), you actually end up
with an Archive that consists of every version of
every file that's ever been updated by a Fix Pack.
Which ain't a half bad thing, now that I think of it.
So long as you COMMIT the previous Fix Pack before
you apply the next one.  Which I do.  And there's a
name collision resolution technique so don't worry
about it.  It's magic & it works.

The Archive & Backup give you 2 fallback positions
for backing out of a Fix Pack.  Backup lets you go
back 1 step, simply going back to whatever you had
before you applied the most recent Fix Pack.  Archive
lets you go back to the level of your most recent
COMMIT.

To do a COMMIT, you execute SERVICE.EXE from your
booted Desktop.  It prompts you for diskette 1 of
your FP.  You can put in absolutely ANY Fix Pack
diskette at this point, since you're not actually
going to install a FP.  I've even used Peer & MPTS
diskettes at this point.  DON'T CLICK THE SERVICE
BUTTON.  Click the Change Product List button.  This
brings up a dialog screen with some radio buttons on
it for things like "Backed up products," "Archived
products," "Uncommitted products."  I think there's a
4th selection but I can't remember it.  Select the
"Uncommitted products" radio button, then click OK.
(I think it's OK, it might be something else.)  This
gives you a list of what things you can COMMIT.
Deselect the things you don't want to COMMIT.  Click
the COMMIT button.

COMMIT erases the CSF Backup completely.  Irv says
this also does nothing with the CSF Archive, and you
could also erase it when you're done COMMITting.  It
just writes a little one-line file in the OS2\INSTALL
directory with a real name of FPCOMMIT.OS2 & a title
of SYSLEVEL.OS2.  It looks like a SYSLEVEL file.

Ooooo!  I know what that file is.  The COMMIT process
does a RENAME on your existing SYSLEVEL.OS2 & writes
you a new one.  That's why the real name & the title
on the file don't match.  I've noticed this effect
recently.  The RENAME command from a command line
changes the real name but leaves the title unchanged.
That must be what happens.  There is also a file in
that directory with both a real name & title of
SYSLEVEL.OS2.  That's the real one.  FPCOMMIT.OS2 is
only for SERVICE.EXE.

After you do a COMMIT, you can't back out of a Fix
Pack.  Even though the Archive still exists (unless
you erase it manually, which evidently you can do),
the current Fix Tool doesn't know how to use it.  On
purpose.

There are alternatives to using Fix Pack diskettes,
but that's the advanced class.  Which is taught in
the READ.ME that comes with the Fix Tool.  It is
neither unclear nor inaccurate.  This must be true.
I managed to figure it out & back out of Fix Pack 10
a few months back.

I also have an Archive & Backup for the Device Driver
Fix Packs now.

I also have CSF Backup directories for User Profile
Management, Peer Requester, LAN Adapter & Protocol
Support, and some others.  This is because I have
used SERVICE.EXE to apply service to some other
components as well.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


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From: [e-mail]                                    05-Sep-99 04:46:00
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 05:27:08
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <[e-mail]>

In article
<sXnyXDNIUu65-pn2-u3xsWSGl6Yo4@207-172-119-231.s231.t
nt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com>,
  [e-mail] wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:30:18, no-one@nospam wrote:
>
> > >When I installed fp11 6 weeks ago...I began to
lose sight of the mail
> > >folders in PRMailer V3.0.
        <<<snip>>>
> This is particularly unfortunate as Innoval has
just stopped
> support of the product.
      <<<snip>>>

Speaking of Innoval & support in the same breath, has
anyone been able to get a response from
[e-mail] lately?  I've sent them 4
E-mails over the past few weeks & gotten no response
whatsoever.  Not even an automated response.

I have a problem right now where Post Road Mailer
won't even start.  But I'm quite certain this was a
self-inflicted ailment.  I was in the process of
converting over to JStreet Mailer (there's a
recommendation for an upgrade from PRM) so I decided
to see if I could correct something that's annoyed me
forever with PRM.  There's certain windows in which
you can't change the font size permanently.  One I
can remember is the Preview Mail from Inbox on
Server.  You can drop a font on it to enlarge it from
the microscopic size it uses, but it isn't permanent.
The next note you preview is in the microscopic font
again.  So I used an .INI editor to change some font
size entries in PRM's own private .INI file.  Since
then, PRM won't run at all, even after I reversed my
.INI changes.  I don't really want to correct this
problem since I am now using JStreet Mailer.  I just
want Innoval to answer my E-mails.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


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From: [e-mail]                05-Sep-99 01:20:00
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 05:27:08
Subj: Re: fixpack via zip 100 drive

From: "Billy Ko" <[e-mail]>

On Sat, 04 Sep 99 22:04:22 (cdt), Dilbert Firestorm wrote:

:>hey..
:>
:>anyone know how to install fixpack 38 from the Iomega 100 zip drive (scsi
:>version)?
:>
:>If  so, what do I have to do?
:>
:>I need to do this as I need  to uninstall fixpack 38 from warp 3 in an
effort
:>to fix 2 problems, all of my windows 3.1 programs do not work in win/os2
:>sessions and netscape/2 2.02 has a memory leak which results in a swap file
:>error.
:>
:>If I get this FP38 & netscape/2 2.02 uninstalled, I probably will do a
refresh
:>of warp 3.
:>
:>And then install fixpack 38, java 1.18 (I'm still using the old java 1.04),
:>netscape/2 2.02
:>
:>
:>
:>Origin: Nuclear Wasteland * 504-394-0509
:>
:>
I use the RSU and choose "unzip only," so it d/l's the FP to my zip drive,
unzips it, but doesn't go and install it.  Then you're but a double click
away from fixpak heaven (or hell, if you're unlucky!).  ;)

Bill

Bill
Team OS/2

-----

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From: [e-mail]                                   05-Sep-99 02:40:10
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 10:23:21
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: Kris Kadela <[e-mail]>

I will confirm that. FP11 definitely screws more things than it fixes.
Even TCP/IP 4.1+ has problems when running in conjunction with FP11 (at
least on my 3 Warp 4 PCs).

Ken Walter wrote:
>
> On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:46:18, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:30:18, no-one@nospam wrote:
> >
> >> >When I installed fp11 6 weeks ago...I began to lose sight of the mail
> >> >folders in PRMailer V3.0.  The folders and files still exist, the
> >> >folders just disappear in the application.   Several others reported
> >> >the same problem.
> >>
> [...]
> >Since it applies to both versions of PRM, I'm almost positive it's
> >Fixpack 11 related.  I uninstalled and cleaned out the os2.ini file
> >before reinstalling, so it has to be an outside influence.  As I'm
> >unwilling to back out FP 11, I'm looking for a new mail reader.
>
> FP11 started changing file attributes on directories when they were
> modified.
> Many programs assume there is only the D flag so they do not find
> directories with A flags.  They should a searched for the D flag with
> don't cares for the others.
>
> Ken Walter
>
> Remove -zamboni to reply
> All the above is hearsay and the opinion of no one in particular

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From: [e-mail]                          05-Sep-99 13:58:21
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 14:48:26
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: [e-mail] (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:46:18, [e-mail] a ┌crit dans un
message:

> On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:30:18, no-one@nospam wrote:
>
> > >When I installed fp11 6 weeks ago...I began to lose sight of the mail
> > >folders in PRMailer V3.0.  The folders and files still exist, the
> > >folders just disappear in the application.   Several others reported
> > >the same problem.
> >
> > Hmmm, a similar thing has recently happened to me with PMMail and I
> > also have fp11.    This the culprit here as well ??
>
> Yes, this happened to me as well.  It occurs with versions 2.1 and
> 3.0.  This is particularly unfortunate as Innoval has just stopped
> support of the product.  Perhaps this was the straw that broke the
> camel's back?

If true, another piece of the argument FOR Open Sourcing this stuff before
they quit the field.


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]                                    05-Sep-99 14:04:13
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 14:48:26
Subj: New Mouse.sys bug

From: [e-mail] (William Sonna)

The mouse driver contained in the latest device driver fixpack
disables 3-button Logitech functionality under Win-OS/2.

Inserting an earlier version of mouse.sys into the \os2\boot
completely solved this problem.

Thanks

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From: [e-mail]                            05-Sep-99 14:43:23
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 14:48:26
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>

Bill, correct... You pass the grade with flying colors.

There is a small deviation to all this that I'd make. If you COMMIT
every FP that you install, you'll never have a BACKUP directory built,
and all files always go to the ARCHIVE. That means you can only back out
1 FP, the one you COMMITed to. Many users get to something they feel
stable with and COMMIT that one, others are tight on disk space, and
COMMIT every FP once they feel it is OK, and DELETE the ARCHIVE
directory (and BACKUP if they skipped COMMITing a few FP's) to save
space.

Irv

Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
>
> In article <c1.2b8.2S43ft$[e-mail]>,
>   [e-mail] (Joe Kovacs) wrote:
>     and Irv Spalten & others also wrote:
>
> Hey Joe.  How's this for conciseness?
>
>         <<<snip>>>
>
> Try to learn it, OK?
>
> And now, for those who think I should be committed...
>
> Applying a Fix Pack starts by making copies of the
> files about to be updated in the CSF Backup
> directory.  This directory is cleared before this
> operation begins.
>
> If there is a CSF Archive, and these modules are not
> already in the Archive, they are also copied to the
> Archive.  If you're like me & never delete your
> Archive (you were right, Irv), you actually end up
> with an Archive that consists of every version of
> every file that's ever been updated by a Fix Pack.
> Which ain't a half bad thing, now that I think of it.
> So long as you COMMIT the previous Fix Pack before
> you apply the next one.  Which I do.  And there's a
> name collision resolution technique so don't worry
> about it.  It's magic & it works.
>
> The Archive & Backup give you 2 fallback positions
> for backing out of a Fix Pack.  Backup lets you go
> back 1 step, simply going back to whatever you had
> before you applied the most recent Fix Pack.  Archive
> lets you go back to the level of your most recent
> COMMIT.
>
> To do a COMMIT, you execute SERVICE.EXE from your
> booted Desktop.  It prompts you for diskette 1 of
> your FP.  You can put in absolutely ANY Fix Pack
> diskette at this point, since you're not actually
> going to install a FP.  I've even used Peer & MPTS
> diskettes at this point.  DON'T CLICK THE SERVICE
> BUTTON.  Click the Change Product List button.  This
> brings up a dialog screen with some radio buttons on
> it for things like "Backed up products," "Archived
> products," "Uncommitted products."  I think there's a
> 4th selection but I can't remember it.  Select the
> "Uncommitted products" radio button, then click OK.
> (I think it's OK, it might be something else.)  This
> gives you a list of what things you can COMMIT.
> Deselect the things you don't want to COMMIT.  Click
> the COMMIT button.
>
> COMMIT erases the CSF Backup completely.  Irv says
> this also does nothing with the CSF Archive, and you
> could also erase it when you're done COMMITting.  It
> just writes a little one-line file in the OS2\INSTALL
> directory with a real name of FPCOMMIT.OS2 & a title
> of SYSLEVEL.OS2.  It looks like a SYSLEVEL file.
>
> Ooooo!  I know what that file is.  The COMMIT process
> does a RENAME on your existing SYSLEVEL.OS2 & writes
> you a new one.  That's why the real name & the title
> on the file don't match.  I've noticed this effect
> recently.  The RENAME command from a command line
> changes the real name but leaves the title unchanged.
> That must be what happens.  There is also a file in
> that directory with both a real name & title of
> SYSLEVEL.OS2.  That's the real one.  FPCOMMIT.OS2 is
> only for SERVICE.EXE.
>
> After you do a COMMIT, you can't back out of a Fix
> Pack.  Even though the Archive still exists (unless
> you erase it manually, which evidently you can do),
> the current Fix Tool doesn't know how to use it.  On
> purpose.
>
> There are alternatives to using Fix Pack diskettes,
> but that's the advanced class.  Which is taught in
> the READ.ME that comes with the Fix Tool.  It is
> neither unclear nor inaccurate.  This must be true.
> I managed to figure it out & back out of Fix Pack 10
> a few months back.
>
> I also have an Archive & Backup for the Device Driver
> Fix Packs now.
>
> I also have CSF Backup directories for User Profile
> Management, Peer Requester, LAN Adapter & Protocol
> Support, and some others.  This is because I have
> used SERVICE.EXE to apply service to some other
> components as well.
>
> WW
> Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!
>
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From: [e-mail]                            05-Sep-99 14:45:23
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 14:48:26
Subj: Re: New Mouse.sys bug

From: Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>

Known problem. We are working on it. A few mice have problems.

Irv

William Sonna wrote:
>
> The mouse driver contained in the latest device driver fixpack
> disables 3-button Logitech functionality under Win-OS/2.
>
> Inserting an earlier version of mouse.sys into the \os2\boot
> completely solved this problem.
>
> Thanks

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From: [e-mail]                          05-Sep-99 14:37:11
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 14:48:26
Subj: Re: TouchStone PCMCIA driver ti1220 and 3com nic card

From: [e-mail]

I have the ti1220 on my dell insprion 7000.  I am trying o use a 3com
3c589b nic card, but so far it will just show it as memory.  Can anyone
help me with the switches.  I also have invested serveral hours.
I think I jsut need the correct switches.

I have also played with the reserve.sys command.  No luck there either.

Thanks
Patrick

In article <37c4ce20$3$ecrgrefr$[e-mail]>,
  Randy Petersen <[e-mail]> wrote:
> In <gE9QtwxbB80C-pn2-YWpPtePbwJdX@localhost>, on 08/23/99
>    at 10:35 AM, [e-mail] (Zamp) said:
>
> >Hi.
>
> >Still no way to work on my MITAC 6133 (TI1225) PCMCIA modem :(((
> >Drivers correctly read during boot my chipset (TI1225) and IO
address
> >(3E0)
> >but doesn't assign ANY memory address NOR any IRQ.
> >Instead driver SS2INTEL.SYS assign memory address (D0000, lenght
1000)
> >according to rmview and/or Hardware Manager but doesn't assign ANY
IRQ
> >and not see my modem.
>
> I think you need a modem card specific enabler.
> IBM's PC Card Direcotr and PLAYWILL use a script to enable the modem
cards.
> Not that it works for my modem card (it doesn't).
>
> How is their tech support?
>
> >I have lost many DAYS to try various configuration, but without any
> >success.
>
> >I'm desperate, i've paid 108DM for this driver :(((
>
> >PS: Someone have sent me SS2INTEL.SYS driver, but i doesn't remember
> >who is.
>
> If your socket services driver sees the cards inserted/removed, then
it's
> most likely the correct driver to use.  You just need to get your
specific
> PCMCIA cards enabled (turned on/correct voltages/correct
port,memory,irq,etc).
>
> >Thanks.
>
>
/*---------------------------------------------------------------------
-*
>   Posted with MR/2 ICE v1.51 (#10203) courtesy of In-Joy Pro on OS/2
>   Please also email replies to: Randy Petersen
<[e-mail]>
>   Now Very Happily Warping along with Warp 3.0 Connect at fixpack
#40.
>   SPAMMERS don't bother me, I direct them to the void at /dev/nul.
>
*----------------------------------------------------------------------
*/
>


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From: [e-mail]                          05-Sep-99 15:08:15
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 14:48:27
Subj: Re: New Mouse.sys bug

From: [e-mail] (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:04:27, [e-mail] (William Sonna) a ┌crit dans un
message:

> The mouse driver contained in the latest device driver fixpack
> disables 3-button Logitech functionality under Win-OS/2.
>
> Inserting an earlier version of mouse.sys into the \os2\boot
> completely solved this problem.

WinOS2 mouse support is still in VMOUSE.SYS, I believe. Did you try just
swapping that one for an older one?


Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]                                     05-Sep-99 08:46:16
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 14:48:27
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: [e-mail] (Mikus Grinbergs)

My apologies, Irv, but my attitude towards "Service" was formed
before your time, and has carried forward to this day.

 -  I find the archive directory useless

    The file(s) that it saves may have come from another source
    than the initial install - "Service" doesn't check.  If I
    need to extract the "original" version of a file, I simply
    go back to the original install media.

    Seems to me the elephantine "archive directory" concept aims
    to protect me against an inappropriate module being distributed
    via a fixpack.  IMHO *this* cure is worse than the disease.

    The couple of times that I lost confidence in my system, I
    found it easier to wipe the partition and repeat the initial
    install, rather than go back to the archive level.

 -  I find the concept of "commit" unhelpful

    Commit frees disk space used by the backup directory,  Big deal.

    You wrote "commit will stop you from applying FP9 over FP11".
    But that is exactly when I want "Service" to HELP me.  Instead,
    I'm forced to reinstall base OS/2;  only then can I apply FP9.

    I can remember when using "commit" STOPPED me from applying any
    further fixpacks (unless certain files were cleaned up).  The
    problem may have been fixed;  the bitter aftertaste remains.


mikus


p.s.  Even though fixpacks have grown in size, I wish "Service" did
      not require more free space on my C: disk than I need for the
      normal operation of my system.  As it is, I have to move some
      user directories off C: before it lets me apply a Warp fixpack.
      (Afterwards, I move those directories back onto C:)

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From: [e-mail]                                05-Sep-99 15:17:09
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 14:48:27
Subj: Re: New Mouse.sys bug

From: [e-mail] (J1Hamilton)

I too found the new MOUSE.SYS unworkable, but for a different reason. It
bombed
with a trap 000d just as soon as either mouse button was clicked when used
with
Security Enabling Services.
Replacing it with the prior MOUSE.SYS solved the problem. CSLIM=000037a2 which
was shown to be the MOUSE.SYS preload.
                           Jerry Hamilton

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From: [e-mail]                             04-Sep-99 12:06:18
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 14:48:27
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: "Andre Nancoz" <[e-mail]>

On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 12:30:18 GMT, no-one@nospam wrote:

:>On 1 Sep 1999 01:29:14 GMT, [e-mail] (Gerry Chilibeck) wrote:
:>
:>>When I installed fp11 6 weeks ago...I began to lose sight of the mail
:>>folders in PRMailer V3.0.  The folders and files still exist, the
:>>folders just disappear in the application.   Several others reported
:>>the same problem.
:>
:>Hmmm, a similar thing has recently happened to me with PMMail and I
:>also have fp11.    This the culprit here as well ??
:>
I saw a note somewhere that FP11 is setting both the Directory AND the
Archive attribute bit when a new directory is created. This causes some
programs problems. Try looking at the attributes of the directory
(folder) you created and turn off the Archive bit.



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From: [e-mail]                            05-Sep-99 17:59:09
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 04:16:14
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>

Mikus, I've grappled with some of the same problems/comments, see my
'answers' below.

Mikus Grinbergs wrote:
>
> My apologies, Irv, but my attitude towards "Service" was formed
> before your time, and has carried forward to this day.
>
>  -  I find the archive directory useless
>
>     The file(s) that it saves may have come from another source
>     than the initial install - "Service" doesn't check.  If I
>     need to extract the "original" version of a file, I simply
>     go back to the original install media.
>
>     Seems to me the elephantine "archive directory" concept aims
>     to protect me against an inappropriate module being distributed
>     via a fixpack.  IMHO *this* cure is worse than the disease.
>
>     The couple of times that I lost confidence in my system, I
>     found it easier to wipe the partition and repeat the initial
>     install, rather than go back to the archive level.
>

The concept it is trying to provide is a return to the LAST 'initial'
install state and really keep the other parts of the system 'as they
were'. This 'LAST' would either be Initial Install, or the Last COMMITed
FP. You could keep applying FP's over these, and know you could return
to that 'Last' state easily.

Yes, you could have put the file into the system yourself, there is no
way for the FixTool to know that. It does know that the file is in the
FP you're applying, and was NOT in the ARCHIVE directory though, hence
assumed to be 'original'.

Many people will re-install rather than backout to the ARCHIVE. Nothing
wrong with that either.

>  -  I find the concept of "commit" unhelpful
>
>     Commit frees disk space used by the backup directory,  Big deal.
>
>     You wrote "commit will stop you from applying FP9 over FP11".
>     But that is exactly when I want "Service" to HELP me.  Instead,
>     I'm forced to reinstall base OS/2;  only then can I apply FP9.
>
>     I can remember when using "commit" STOPPED me from applying any
>     further fixpacks (unless certain files were cleaned up).  The
>     problem may have been fixed;  the bitter aftertaste remains.
>

If you use the LATEST FixTool (1.40 and 1.41) it will stop you, as it
creates the FPCOMMIT.OS2 file which didn't exist before. This file is
checked when applying a FP to make sure you are not doing a backlevel to
a system restored from ARCHIVE after a FP COMMIT. Prior to the fixes put
in to do this in the FixTool, there was know way to tell that a system
had been COMMITed.

> p.s.  Even though fixpacks have grown in size, I wish "Service" did
>       not require more free space on my C: disk than I need for the
>       normal operation of my system.  As it is, I have to move some
>       user directories off C: before it lets me apply a Warp fixpack.
>       (Afterwards, I move those directories back onto C:)

The FT will use the drive with the most space, but it does require space
for BACKUP and ARCHIVE that can be placed anywhere.

Irv

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From: [e-mail]                                05-Sep-99 14:39:29
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 05:58:22
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: [e-mail] (Will Honea)

On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 02:03:16, [e-mail] (Ken
Walter) wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:46:18, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:30:18, no-one@nospam wrote:
> >
> >> >When I installed fp11 6 weeks ago...I began to lose sight of the mail
> >> >folders in PRMailer V3.0.  The folders and files still exist, the
> >> >folders just disappear in the application.   Several others reported
> >> >the same problem.
> >>
> [...]
> >Since it applies to both versions of PRM, I'm almost positive it's
> >Fixpack 11 related.  I uninstalled and cleaned out the os2.ini file
> >before reinstalling, so it has to be an outside influence.  As I'm
> >unwilling to back out FP 11, I'm looking for a new mail reader.
>
> FP11 started changing file attributes on directories when they were
> modified.
> Many programs assume there is only the D flag so they do not find
> directories with A flags.  They should a searched for the D flag with
> don't cares for the others.

Just reset the directory attributes to clear the archive bit and the
problem goes away for a bit.  I just inserted a small command file to
do this after every mail check.  PITA, but it works.

Will Honea <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail]                                05-Sep-99 11:05:04
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 05:58:22
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: [e-mail] (Oliver Rick)

On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

> You appear to be rather knowledgeable, which is what I need.  I run Warp
> 4, no fix paks.  I have Fix Pak 6 but am reluctant to install it for two
> reasons:  I don't have a lot of trouble with my Warp 4 (although lately
> it weems to be getting cranky) but more importantly, I am concerned that
> my attempt to install 6 will result in a horrid crash.

Take a look at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/Homepages/orick/utlboot1.htm,
create a single disk that matches your configuration from the description
there or use the BootOS/2 utility listed at the bottom of the page.
Archive your system with zip -rS9 <target> <boot partition>:\*
Then you can boot from the disk(s), reformat the partition and restore the
old boot partition.

> BUT.... I understand Fix Six should be installed to get Y2K compliant.

For information on the Y2K fixes included in the FixPaks for the base
operationg system take a look at
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/Homepages/orick/basey2k1.htm

   /Olli/
--
IBM OS/2 Warp Update Summary:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/Homepages/orick/warpupd1.htm

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From: [e-mail]                                05-Sep-99 22:08:10
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 05:58:22
Subj: Re: New Mouse.sys bug

From: [e-mail] (Oliver Rick)

On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 Irv Spalten wrote:

> Known problem. We are working on it. A few mice have problems.

If it helps, I can confirm it.
Logitech Trackman Marble at PS/2 port.
MMB no longer works as double LMB click (WarpEnhancer 0.25 function).

   /Olli/
--
IBM OS/2 Warp Update Summary:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/Homepages/orick/warpupd1.htm

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From: [e-mail]                              05-Sep-99 18:31:29
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 05:58:22
Subj: Re: TouchStone PCMCIA driver ti1220 and 3com nic card

From: "Clark Tompsett" <[e-mail]>

Use basedev=reserve.sys /mem=ca00,2000
This must be the first line in the config.sys

Clark.



On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 14:37:22 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

:>I have the ti1220 on my dell insprion 7000.  I am trying o use a 3com
:>3c589b nic card, but so far it will just show it as memory.  Can anyone
:>help me with the switches.  I also have invested serveral hours.
:>I think I jsut need the correct switches.
:>
:>I have also played with the reserve.sys command.  No luck there either.
:>
:>Thanks
:>Patrick
:>
:>In article <37c4ce20$3$ecrgrefr$[e-mail]>,
:>  Randy Petersen <[e-mail]> wrote:
:>> In <gE9QtwxbB80C-pn2-YWpPtePbwJdX@localhost>, on 08/23/99
:>>    at 10:35 AM, [e-mail] (Zamp) said:
:>>
:>> >Hi.
:>>
:>> >Still no way to work on my MITAC 6133 (TI1225) PCMCIA modem :(((
:>> >Drivers correctly read during boot my chipset (TI1225) and IO
:>address
:>> >(3E0)
:>> >but doesn't assign ANY memory address NOR any IRQ.
:>> >Instead driver SS2INTEL.SYS assign memory address (D0000, lenght
:>1000)
:>> >according to rmview and/or Hardware Manager but doesn't assign ANY
:>IRQ
:>> >and not see my modem.
:>>
:>> I think you need a modem card specific enabler.
:>> IBM's PC Card Direcotr and PLAYWILL use a script to enable the modem
:>cards.
:>> Not that it works for my modem card (it doesn't).
:>>
:>> How is their tech support?
:>>
:>> >I have lost many DAYS to try various configuration, but without any
:>> >success.
:>>
:>> >I'm desperate, i've paid 108DM for this driver :(((
:>>
:>> >PS: Someone have sent me SS2INTEL.SYS driver, but i doesn't remember
:>> >who is.
:>>
:>> If your socket services driver sees the cards inserted/removed, then
:>it's
:>> most likely the correct driver to use.  You just need to get your
:>specific
:>> PCMCIA cards enabled (turned on/correct voltages/correct
:>port,memory,irq,etc).
:>>
:>> >Thanks.
:>>
:>>
:>/*---------------------------------------------------------------------
:>-*
:>>   Posted with MR/2 ICE v1.51 (#10203) courtesy of In-Joy Pro on OS/2
:>>   Please also email replies to: Randy Petersen
:><[e-mail]>
:>>   Now Very Happily Warping along with Warp 3.0 Connect at fixpack
:>#40.
:>>   SPAMMERS don't bother me, I direct them to the void at /dev/nul.
:>>
:>*----------------------------------------------------------------------
:>*/
:>>
:>
:>
:>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
:>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.



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From: [e-mail]                                  05-Sep-99 18:50:11
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 05:58:22
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>

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Some else thought that this might be IDE driver related, but I have all
SCSI, and I see the same problems.  I have attached my little cmd
utility that I run with the "all" parameter to clean up all of my fixed
drives.

Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 02:03:16, [e-mail] (Ken
> Walter) wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:46:18, [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > >On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:30:18, no-one@nospam wrote:
> > >
> > >> >When I installed fp11 6 weeks ago...I began to lose sight of the mail
> > >> >folders in PRMailer V3.0.  The folders and files still exist, the
> > >> >folders just disappear in the application.   Several others reported
> > >> >the same problem.
> > >>
> > [...]
> > >Since it applies to both versions of PRM, I'm almost positive it's
> > >Fixpack 11 related.  I uninstalled and cleaned out the os2.ini file
> > >before reinstalling, so it has to be an outside influence.  As I'm
> > >unwilling to back out FP 11, I'm looking for a new mail reader.
> >
> > FP11 started changing file attributes on directories when they were
> > modified.
> > Many programs assume there is only the D flag so they do not find
> > directories with A flags.  They should a searched for the D flag with
> > don't cares for the others.
>
> Just reset the directory attributes to clear the archive bit and the
> problem goes away for a bit.  I just inserted a small command file to
> do this after every mail check.  PITA, but it works.
>
> Will Honea <[e-mail]>

--
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)
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/*
dirfix.cmd - reset archive attribute on directories
Copyright 1999 by Chuck McKinnis,  Sandia Park, NM (USA)
[e-mail]
*/

Trace 'N'

Parse Upper Arg parms

Call Setup

If parms = 'ALL' Then parms = SysDriveMap(, 'LOCAL')

Do i = 1 To Words(parms)
   Parse Value SysDriveInfo(Word(parms, i)) With drive used total .
   Say drive 'Used=' || used 'Total=' || total
   If used = total | used = '' | used = 0 Then Iterate
   drive = drive || '\'
   rc = SysFileTree(drive, 'dirs.', 'DSO', '++***', '-****')
   If dirs.0 = 1 Then Say dirs.0 'directory cleared on' drive
   Else Say dirs.0 'directories cleared on' drive
End
Call Cleanup
Return

Cleanup:
 Procedure Expose sysfuncs.
 Do i = 1 To sysfuncs.0
    If sysfuncs.i <> '' Then Call RxFuncDrop(sysfuncs.i)
 End
 Return

Setup:
 sysfuncs.1 = 'SysFileTree'
 sysfuncs.2 = 'SysDriveMap'
 sysfuncs.3 = 'SysDriveInfo'
 sysfuncs.0 = 3
 Do i = 1 To sysfuncs.0
    If RxFuncQuery(sysfuncs.i) Then Call RxFuncAdd sysfuncs.i, 'RexxUtil',
sysfuncs.i
    Else sysfuncs.i = ''
 End
 Return

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From: [e-mail]                        06-Sep-99 01:07:14
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 05:58:22
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: [e-mail]

On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:39:59, [e-mail] (Will Honea) wrote:

> Just reset the directory attributes to clear the archive bit and the
> problem goes away for a bit.  I just inserted a small command file to
> do this after every mail check.  PITA, but it works.

Absolutely correct.  Removing the A archive bit makes the folder
reappear.  I really wish they would have fixed this before they gave
away the program, however.  I'm trying other alternatives for mail
readers, but so far nothing appears to work any better for me than
PRM.



Doug Boulter

To reply by e-mail, remove the obvious spam traps from the address

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From: [e-mail]                                    06-Sep-99 01:48:22
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 05:58:22
Subj: Re: New Mouse.sys bug

From: [e-mail] (William Sonna)

On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:08:30, [e-mail] (Buddy Donnelly)
wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:04:27, [e-mail] (William Sonna) a ┌crit dans un
> message:
>
> > The mouse driver contained in the latest device driver fixpack
> > disables 3-button Logitech functionality under Win-OS/2.
> >
> > Inserting an earlier version of mouse.sys into the \os2\boot
> > completely solved this problem.
>
> WinOS2 mouse support is still in VMOUSE.SYS, I believe. Did you try just
> swapping that one for an older one?
>
>
> Good luck,
>
> Buddy
>
> Buddy Donnelly
> [e-mail]
>
>
I would have if swapping mouse.sys hadn't worked.  Thanks anyway.

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From: [e-mail]                                   06-Sep-99 04:12:28
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 10:36:18
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: [e-mail]   (Joe Kovacs)

IIn <[e-mail]>, Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>
writes:

>          What is wrong? What is unclear? Did the
>URL's help? I'll update anything that is wrong.

>Joe Kovacs wrote:
>> In <[e-mail]>, Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>
writes:

>> >The README.INF has NOT been updated (would need major translation work
>> >for 26 languages), so we've been going on using the READ.ME in the
>> >FixTool package. When that file was created, and I'm talking OS/2 2.x
>> >timeframe here, Service Pak was the name used...

>> But nonono, this thread complains again and again about
>> incomprehensible instructions, not perfect detail.

Irv, there's a communications break, of course.  That's what
William Sonna's original post in this thread wailed.

I'm going to answer your questions and quite directly.

>Did the url help?

Yes, the url helped me, thank you for your patience. That
finally put everything into place. Now I understand all the
things I asked about.

I think the FixTools READ.ME and README.INF didn't help
William Sonna.


>What is wrong?  What is unclear?

The original post in this thread is beautiful.

The README.INF is soft and spongy.  It cannot be understood
until one has experience. This is because of its outdated
terminology and generality.  It shows up with commit,
archive and backup, for example.

Irv, there is a communications break, it's a subtle thing. A
user picks up that he has to understand commit, archive and
backup.   To understand them from the readmes he has to have
_done commit, archive and backup.  Stops a non-programmer
user cold.


>I'll update anything that is wrong.

:-)  I say into the READ.ME, put a short section on commit,
archive and backup for standalone computer users. It should be
based on the answers to the questions in this thread's
original post, answering them all.  Not the questions, just
concise no-frills point-by-point prose.  It should carry a
user through a commit by rote, to carry them through the
README.INF.

Put in a reference to
http://ps.software.ibm.com/pbin-usa-ps/getobj.pl?/pdocs-usa/fp.html.

Never mind updating the README.INF. These things will carry
them through OK.

--------------------------

The crux of this thread is in the original post.


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: [e-mail]                                   05-Sep-99 23:50:26
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 10:36:18
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: Julian Dominic <[e-mail]>

The program works great.  I was not only experiencing problems with PRM, but
WordPro as
well.  WordPro would not recognize my user directories.

Chuck McKinnis wrote:

> Some else thought that this might be IDE driver related, but I have all
> SCSI, and I see the same problems.  I have attached my little cmd
> utility that I run with the "all" parameter to clean up all of my fixed
> drives.
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 02:03:16, [e-mail] (Ken
> > Walter) wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 00:46:18, [e-mail] wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:30:18, no-one@nospam wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> >When I installed fp11 6 weeks ago...I began to lose sight of the
mail
> > > >> >folders in PRMailer V3.0.  The folders and files still exist, the
> > > >> >folders just disappear in the application.   Several others reported
> > > >> >the same problem.
> > > >>
> > > [...]
> > > >Since it applies to both versions of PRM, I'm almost positive it's
> > > >Fixpack 11 related.  I uninstalled and cleaned out the os2.ini file
> > > >before reinstalling, so it has to be an outside influence.  As I'm
> > > >unwilling to back out FP 11, I'm looking for a new mail reader.
> > >
> > > FP11 started changing file attributes on directories when they were
> > > modified.
> > > Many programs assume there is only the D flag so they do not find
> > > directories with A flags.  They should a searched for the D flag with
> > > don't cares for the others.
> >
> > Just reset the directory attributes to clear the archive bit and the
> > problem goes away for a bit.  I just inserted a small command file to
> > do this after every mail check.  PITA, but it works.
> >
> > Will Honea <[e-mail]>
>
> --
> Chuck McKinnis
> Senior Systems Engineer
> Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
> IBM Business Partner
> IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> /*
> dirfix.cmd - reset archive attribute on directories
> Copyright 1999 by Chuck McKinnis,  Sandia Park, NM (USA)
> [e-mail]
> */
>
> Trace 'N'
>
> Parse Upper Arg parms
>
> Call Setup
>
> If parms = 'ALL' Then parms = SysDriveMap(, 'LOCAL')
>
> Do i = 1 To Words(parms)
>    Parse Value SysDriveInfo(Word(parms, i)) With drive used total .
>    Say drive 'Used=' || used 'Total=' || total
>    If used = total | used = '' | used = 0 Then Iterate
>    drive = drive || '\'
>    rc = SysFileTree(drive, 'dirs.', 'DSO', '++***', '-****')
>    If dirs.0 = 1 Then Say dirs.0 'directory cleared on' drive
>    Else Say dirs.0 'directories cleared on' drive
> End
> Call Cleanup
> Return
>
> Cleanup:
>  Procedure Expose sysfuncs.
>  Do i = 1 To sysfuncs.0
>     If sysfuncs.i <> '' Then Call RxFuncDrop(sysfuncs.i)
>  End
>  Return
>
> Setup:
>  sysfuncs.1 = 'SysFileTree'
>  sysfuncs.2 = 'SysDriveMap'
>  sysfuncs.3 = 'SysDriveInfo'
>  sysfuncs.0 = 3
>  Do i = 1 To sysfuncs.0
>     If RxFuncQuery(sysfuncs.i) Then Call RxFuncAdd sysfuncs.i, 'RexxUtil',
sysfuncs.i
>     Else sysfuncs.i = ''
>  End
>  Return



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From: [e-mail]                          06-Sep-99 06:06:24
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 10:36:18
Subj: Re: New Mouse.sys bug

From: [e-mail]

In <05C6FUhLDNUU-pn2-KSdKwvbMLh8E@localhost>, [e-mail] (William Sonna)
writes:
>On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:08:30, [e-mail] (Buddy Donnelly)
>wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:04:27, [e-mail] (William Sonna) a écrit dans un
>> message:
>>
>> > The mouse driver contained in the latest device driver fixpack
>> > disables 3-button Logitech functionality under Win-OS/2.
>> >
Similar problem with mouse.sys in WSEB (WARP 4.5). Copying over mouse.sys from

WARP 4, FP10 fixes it.

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From: [e-mail]                                    06-Sep-99 12:53:02
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 14:34:06
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: [e-mail] (William Sonna)

On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 04:29:48, Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> In article <c1.2b8.2S43ft$[e-mail]>,
>   [e-mail] (Joe Kovacs) wrote:
>     and Irv Spalten & others also wrote:
>
> Hey Joe.  How's this for conciseness?
>
>         <<<snip>>>
>
> Try to learn it, OK?
>
> And now, for those who think I should be committed...
>
> Applying a Fix Pack starts by making copies of the
> files about to be updated in the CSF Backup
> directory.  This directory is cleared before this
> operation begins.
>
> If there is a CSF Archive, and these modules are not
> already in the Archive, they are also copied to the
> Archive.  If you're like me & never delete your
> Archive (you were right, Irv), you actually end up
> with an Archive that consists of every version of
> every file that's ever been updated by a Fix Pack.
> Which ain't a half bad thing, now that I think of it.
> So long as you COMMIT the previous Fix Pack before
> you apply the next one.  Which I do.  And there's a
> name collision resolution technique so don't worry
> about it.  It's magic & it works.
>
> The Archive & Backup give you 2 fallback positions
> for backing out of a Fix Pack.  Backup lets you go
> back 1 step, simply going back to whatever you had
> before you applied the most recent Fix Pack.  Archive
> lets you go back to the level of your most recent
> COMMIT.
>
> To do a COMMIT, you execute SERVICE.EXE from your
> booted Desktop.  It prompts you for diskette 1 of
> your FP.  You can put in absolutely ANY Fix Pack
> diskette at this point, since you're not actually
> going to install a FP.  I've even used Peer & MPTS
> diskettes at this point.  DON'T CLICK THE SERVICE
> BUTTON.  Click the Change Product List button.  This
> brings up a dialog screen with some radio buttons on
> it for things like "Backed up products," "Archived
> products," "Uncommitted products."  I think there's a
> 4th selection but I can't remember it.  Select the
> "Uncommitted products" radio button, then click OK.
> (I think it's OK, it might be something else.)  This
> gives you a list of what things you can COMMIT.
> Deselect the things you don't want to COMMIT.  Click
> the COMMIT button.
>
> COMMIT erases the CSF Backup completely.  Irv says
> this also does nothing with the CSF Archive, and you
> could also erase it when you're done COMMITting.  It
> just writes a little one-line file in the OS2\INSTALL
> directory with a real name of FPCOMMIT.OS2 & a title
> of SYSLEVEL.OS2.  It looks like a SYSLEVEL file.
>
> Ooooo!  I know what that file is.  The COMMIT process
> does a RENAME on your existing SYSLEVEL.OS2 & writes
> you a new one.  That's why the real name & the title
> on the file don't match.  I've noticed this effect
> recently.  The RENAME command from a command line
> changes the real name but leaves the title unchanged.
> That must be what happens.  There is also a file in
> that directory with both a real name & title of
> SYSLEVEL.OS2.  That's the real one.  FPCOMMIT.OS2 is
> only for SERVICE.EXE.
>
> After you do a COMMIT, you can't back out of a Fix
> Pack.  Even though the Archive still exists (unless
> you erase it manually, which evidently you can do),
> the current Fix Tool doesn't know how to use it.  On
> purpose.
>

Excuse me........I thought you said the Archive was updated with the
files contained in the service pack you just committed to.  Doesn't
that mean that you can always back out to the level of your most
recent commit?  Don't you mean the backup?  And if so, didn't you say
above that the backup was automatically deleted?


> There are alternatives to using Fix Pack diskettes,
> but that's the advanced class.  Which is taught in
> the READ.ME that comes with the Fix Tool.  It is
> neither unclear nor inaccurate.  This must be true.
> I managed to figure it out & back out of Fix Pack 10
> a few months back.
>
> I also have an Archive & Backup for the Device Driver
> Fix Packs now.
>
> I also have CSF Backup directories for User Profile
> Management, Peer Requester, LAN Adapter & Protocol
> Support, and some others.  This is because I have
> used SERVICE.EXE to apply service to some other
> components as well.
>
> WW
> Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

If I may attempt to summarize what the correct procedures are (in
plain English, of course):

1.  ALWAYS specify a backup directory when applying a fixpack or
service pack.  If you don't, and you find problems, you will only be
able to back out to the archive level.

2.  NEVER commit until you are absolutely sure that EVERYTHING works
and you are completely satisfied.  The level you are at when you
commit becomes your rainy-day backout and recovery level, and you are
only going to make that day rainyer if it revives a disfunctional or
inadequately tested system.

3. NEVER delete your service pack archive directory, unless you need
the disk space so badly that you are willing to limit your service
and recovery options to none.

4.  NEVER delete a backup directory until you are sure you will never
want to go back to that level, or, if you are sure that it is the
level you want in your archive, commit to it.

On the case of my system, Fixpack 8 is MY all-time reliability champ.
All subsequent fixpacks have made my computer LESS stable and
reliable.  Had I known what I know now, I would have committed to
Fixpack 8 (since base install Warp 4 was the LEAST reliable), and kept
an archive of fixpack 9 while I test 11; since 8 is the level I would
want to go back to in a pinch, and 10 flat out didn't work.

Am I making sense?

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From: [e-mail]                            06-Sep-99 09:06:25
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 14:34:07
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: [e-mail] (Ray Appleby)

On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:06:36, "Andre Nancoz" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> I saw a note somewhere that FP11 is setting both the Directory AND the
> Archive attribute bit when a new directory is created. This causes some
> programs problems. Try looking at the attributes of the directory
> (folder) you created and turn off the Archive bit.

There was a recent post in one of the other OS/2 newsgroups where IBM
has acknowleged this problem and since most programs assume that the
archive bit on directories is never changed, they have indicated that
it will be changed back to pre-FP11 behaviour in the next fixpack.
Until then, you can just reset the archive attribute to get your
folder(s) back.

Best Regards,
Ray Appleby                     [e-mail]
[Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

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From: [e-mail]                            06-Sep-99 15:15:29
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 14:34:07
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>

I'll see about adding the apply, archive, and backout wording to the
READ.ME that is clear. The URL seems clear to me, but some points are
subtle and need better understanding.

Irv

Joe Kovacs wrote:
>
> IIn <[e-mail]>, Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>
writes:
>
> >          What is wrong? What is unclear? Did the
> >URL's help? I'll update anything that is wrong.
>
> >Joe Kovacs wrote:
> >> In <[e-mail]>, Irv Spalten
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
> >> >The README.INF has NOT been updated (would need major translation work
> >> >for 26 languages), so we've been going on using the READ.ME in the
> >> >FixTool package. When that file was created, and I'm talking OS/2 2.x
> >> >timeframe here, Service Pak was the name used...
>
> >> But nonono, this thread complains again and again about
> >> incomprehensible instructions, not perfect detail.
>
> Irv, there's a communications break, of course.  That's what
> William Sonna's original post in this thread wailed.
>
> I'm going to answer your questions and quite directly.
>
> >Did the url help?
>
> Yes, the url helped me, thank you for your patience. That
> finally put everything into place. Now I understand all the
> things I asked about.
>
> I think the FixTools READ.ME and README.INF didn't help
> William Sonna.
>
> >What is wrong?  What is unclear?
>
> The original post in this thread is beautiful.
>
> The README.INF is soft and spongy.  It cannot be understood
> until one has experience. This is because of its outdated
> terminology and generality.  It shows up with commit,
> archive and backup, for example.
>
> Irv, there is a communications break, it's a subtle thing. A
> user picks up that he has to understand commit, archive and
> backup.   To understand them from the readmes he has to have
> _done commit, archive and backup.  Stops a non-programmer
> user cold.
>
> >I'll update anything that is wrong.
>
> :-)  I say into the READ.ME, put a short section on commit,
> archive and backup for standalone computer users. It should be
> based on the answers to the questions in this thread's
> original post, answering them all.  Not the questions, just
> concise no-frills point-by-point prose.  It should carry a
> user through a commit by rote, to carry them through the
> README.INF.
>
> Put in a reference to
> http://ps.software.ibm.com/pbin-usa-ps/getobj.pl?/pdocs-usa/fp.html.
>
> Never mind updating the README.INF. These things will carry
> them through OK.
>
> --------------------------
>
> The crux of this thread is in the original post.
>
> Joe Kovacs
> Guelph Ontario Canada

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From: [e-mail]                                   06-Sep-99 16:42:23
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 14:34:07
Subj: Re: trap D ether 3c905b

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, "Scott E. Garfinkle"
<[e-mail]> writes:
>On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 17:44:12 GMT, Matthew@psych wrote:
>
>>I installed a 3c905b card ...a trap D happens.
>Make sure you have the latest driver from 3com's site and that you have the
>current service level for whatever MPTS you have installed.

You also might try moving the nic's driver to the top or bottom of the
config.sys.  Moving my drivers just after:

BASEDEV=IBMKBD.SYS
DEVICE=D:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\LANPDD.OS2
DEVICE=D:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\LANVDD.OS2
DEVICE=D:\ibmcom\LANMSGDD.OS2 /I:D:\ibmcom /S
DEVICE=D:\ibmcom\PROTMAN.OS2 /I:D:\ibmcom
DEVICE=D:\IBMCOM\MACS\KTC100.OS2
DEVICE=D:\IBMCOM\MACS\FXWRAP.SYS
DEVICE=D:\IBMCOM\MACS\DLKFET.OS2

got rid of lots trap D....

What ever works

<grin>

Ed Tomlinson <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail]                                  06-Sep-99 11:01:24
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 16:46:13
Subj: FP11 and the little archive bit problem in directory entries

From: Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>

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Want to help me test this one?  I have tidied up dirfix and added a
"test" option.

Did a search in IBMLink and got 4 hits on this problem dated 1993-1997.

They all involve what happens when a program issues a DosFindFirst with
the MUST_HAVE_DIRECTORY option or does a compare against attribute bits
instead of a test.  It appears that the real description of the
MUST_HAVE_DIRECTORY API option is that ONLY the Directory attribute bit
must be set.  If a DosFindFirst call is made
with the MUST_HAVE_DIRECTORY option, only those directories with ONLY
the Directory attribute bit set will be returned.

In all but one case , the real problem was in the application code and
not the OS/2 file system.  It appears to me that FP11 changes the way
that OS/2 maintains the archive attribute on directories, and we now
have a bunch of applications out there with incorrect coding.  The case
that involved an IBM fix dealt with HPFS386 setting the
Archive bit when it did an update to the ACL or EA of a directory entry.

Pursuing this thread, I decided to replace the FP11 HPFS.IFS and
UHPFS.DLL with the corresponding modules from FP10.  Don't know what I
may have broken, but I have been running for almost 2 hours, and "dirfix
all test" doesn't show any Archive bits set in directory entries.

If you come up with the same results that I am getting, I will start
posting this little tip to the OS/2 community.


--
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)
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/*
dirfix.cmd - reset archive attribute on directories
Copyright 1999 by Chuck McKinnis,  Sandia Park, NM (USA)
[e-mail]
*/

Trace 'N'

Parse Upper Arg parms

test = Pos('TEST', parms) <> 0

If test Then
   Parse Var parms . 'TEST' parms
   If parms = '' Then
      Parse Var parms parms 'TEST'

If parms = '' Then
   Do
      Say 'Report on and reset directory entries'
      Say '   that have the archive bit set on'
      Say ''
      Say 'Usage - dirfix x: | all [test]'
      Say '   test - just report the findings'
      Return
   End

Call Setup

If parms = 'ALL' Then
   parms = SysDriveMap(, 'LOCAL')
Else
   If Lastpos(':', parms) <> Length(parms) Then
      parms = parms || ':'

tst_attrib = '++***'
chg_attrib = '-****'

if test Then
   chg_attrib = '*****'

Do i = 1 To Words(parms)
   Parse Value SysDriveInfo(Word(parms, i)) With drive free total .
   If free = total | free = '' | free = 0 Then
      Iterate i
   drive = drive || '\'
   rc = SysFileTree(drive, 'dirs.', 'DSO', tst_attrib, chg_attrib)
   If dirs.0 > 0 Then
      Do i = 1 To dirs.0
         Say 'Archive bit set on in' dirs.i
      End
   Else
      Say 'No archive bits found set in directories on' drive
   If \test Then
      Do
         If dirs.0 = 1 Then
            Say dirs.0 'directory cleared on' drive
         Else
            Say dirs.0 'directories cleared on' drive
      End
End
Call Cleanup
Return

Cleanup:
 Procedure Expose sysfuncs.
 Do i = 1 To sysfuncs.0
    If sysfuncs.i <> '' Then
       Call RxFuncDrop(sysfuncs.i)
 End
 Return

Setup:
 Procedure Expose sysfuncs.
 sysfuncs.1 = 'SysFileTree'
 sysfuncs.2 = 'SysDriveMap'
 sysfuncs.3 = 'SysDriveInfo'
 sysfuncs.0 = 3
 Do i = 1 To sysfuncs.0
    If RxFuncQuery(sysfuncs.i) Then
       Call RxFuncAdd sysfuncs.i, 'RexxUtil', sysfuncs.i
    Else
       sysfuncs.i = ''
 End
 Return

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From: [e-mail]                                  06-Sep-99 11:04:21
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 16:46:13
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>

See FP11 and the little archive bit problem ...

Ray Appleby wrote:
>
> On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:06:36, "Andre Nancoz" <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
> > I saw a note somewhere that FP11 is setting both the Directory AND the
> > Archive attribute bit when a new directory is created. This causes some
> > programs problems. Try looking at the attributes of the directory
> > (folder) you created and turn off the Archive bit.
>
> There was a recent post in one of the other OS/2 newsgroups where IBM
> has acknowleged this problem and since most programs assume that the
> archive bit on directories is never changed, they have indicated that
> it will be changed back to pre-FP11 behaviour in the next fixpack.
> Until then, you can just reset the archive attribute to get your
> folder(s) back.
>
> Best Regards,
> Ray Appleby                     [e-mail]
> [Team OS/2]                 Multitasking at OS/2 Warp4 Speed.

--
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: [e-mail]                                  06-Sep-99 11:30:11
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 16:46:13
Subj: Re: FP11 and the little archive bit problem in directory entries

From: Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>

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Sorry, had a minor problem parsing the argument in dirfix.
--
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)
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/*
dirfix.cmd - reset archive attribute on directories
Copyright 1999 by Chuck McKinnis,  Sandia Park, NM (USA)
[e-mail]
*/

Trace 'N'

Parse Upper Arg drives test .

If drives = 'TEST' Then
   Parse Upper Arg test drives .

If Abbrev(test, 'TEST') Then
   test = 1
Else
   test = 0

If drives = '' Then
   Do
      Say 'Report on and reset directory entries'
      Say '   that have the archive bit set on'
      Say ''
      Say 'Usage - dirfix x: | all [test]'
      Say '   test - just report the findings'
      Return
   End

Call Setup

If drives = 'ALL' Then
   drives = SysDriveMap(, 'LOCAL')
Else
   If Lastpos(':', drives) <> Length(drives) Then
      drives = drives || ':'

tst_attrib = '++***'
chg_attrib = '-****'

if test Then
   chg_attrib = '*****'

Do i = 1 To Words(drives)
   Parse Value SysDriveInfo(Word(drives, i)) With drive free total .
   If free = total | free = '' | free = 0 Then
      Iterate i
   drive = drive || '\'
   rc = SysFileTree(drive, 'dirs.', 'DSO', tst_attrib, chg_attrib)
   If dirs.0 > 0 Then
      Do i = 1 To dirs.0
         Say 'Archive bit set on in' dirs.i
      End
   Else
      Say 'No archive bits found set in directories on' drive
   If \test Then
      Do
         If dirs.0 = 1 Then
            Say dirs.0 'directory cleared on' drive
         Else
            Say dirs.0 'directories cleared on' drive
      End
End
Call Cleanup
Return

Cleanup:
 Procedure Expose sysfuncs.
 Do i = 1 To sysfuncs.0
    If sysfuncs.i <> '' Then
       Call RxFuncDrop(sysfuncs.i)
 End
 Return

Setup:
 Procedure Expose sysfuncs.
 sysfuncs.1 = 'SysFileTree'
 sysfuncs.2 = 'SysDriveMap'
 sysfuncs.3 = 'SysDriveInfo'
 sysfuncs.0 = 3
 Do i = 1 To sysfuncs.0
    If RxFuncQuery(sysfuncs.i) Then
       Call RxFuncAdd sysfuncs.i, 'RexxUtil', sysfuncs.i
    Else
       sysfuncs.i = ''
 End
 Return

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From: [e-mail]                                06-Sep-99 11:39:15
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 16:46:13
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: [e-mail] (Will Honea)

On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 01:07:28, [e-mail] wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:39:59, [e-mail] (Will Honea) wrote:
>
> > Just reset the directory attributes to clear the archive bit and the
> > problem goes away for a bit.  I just inserted a small command file to
> > do this after every mail check.  PITA, but it works.
>
> Absolutely correct.  Removing the A archive bit makes the folder
> reappear.  I really wish they would have fixed this before they gave
> away the program, however.  I'm trying other alternatives for mail
> readers, but so far nothing appears to work any better for me than
> PRM.

If I ever get time - and annoyed enough - I'll see if I can hack the
executable to make the directory fetch call with the appropriate
attributes.  Since it's a constant argument being passed it should be
doable.  Just takes time to feret out the call in the code.

Will Honea <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail]                                  06-Sep-99 14:25:01
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 05:46:02
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>

Will, the problem is not just with Post Road Mailer.  Visit
http://www.os2ss.com/users/mckinnis for my discussion of the issues.

Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 01:07:28, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:39:59, [e-mail] (Will Honea) wrote:
> >
> > > Just reset the directory attributes to clear the archive bit and the
> > > problem goes away for a bit.  I just inserted a small command file to
> > > do this after every mail check.  PITA, but it works.
> >
> > Absolutely correct.  Removing the A archive bit makes the folder
> > reappear.  I really wish they would have fixed this before they gave
> > away the program, however.  I'm trying other alternatives for mail
> > readers, but so far nothing appears to work any better for me than
> > PRM.
>
> If I ever get time - and annoyed enough - I'll see if I can hack the
> executable to make the directory fetch call with the appropriate
> attributes.  Since it's a constant argument being passed it should be
> doable.  Just takes time to feret out the call in the code.
>
> Will Honea <[e-mail]>

--
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: [e-mail]                                   06-Sep-99 18:25:00
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 05:46:02
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: [e-mail]   (Joe Kovacs)

In <[e-mail]>, Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>
writes:
>I'll see about adding the apply, archive, and backout wording to the
>READ.ME that is clear. The URL seems clear to me, but some points are
>subtle and need better understanding.

Thank you very much.  I think that's needed.


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: [e-mail]                                   06-Sep-99 18:56:08
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 05:46:02
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: [e-mail]   (Joe Kovacs)

In <7qsrjl$9jh$[e-mail]>, Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser
<[e-mail]> writes:
>In article <c1.2b8.2S43ft$[e-mail]>,
>  [e-mail] (Joe Kovacs) wrote:
>    and Irv Spalten & others also wrote:
>
>Hey Joe.  How's this for conciseness?
>
>        <<<snip>>>

Bill, the thing to address is the original post in this
thread, perhaps in the style of 'Fixpacks for Dummies'.

I think highly of that post.  It's beautiful.

However, I say answer those questions with 'Yes', 'No' and 'Do
This, Then This <Period>'.

>Try to learn it, OK?

OK, for me, I'll read EVERY word, and DIGEST it.  How could I
do less at this point?

William Sonna's really the one to address, though.

>And now, for those who think I should be committed...

There's a lineup, he aimed that at _me.  He's for getting
torn apart.  But after I digest your missive, OK?


Joe Kovacs
Guelph Ontario Canada


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From: [e-mail]                     07-Sep-99 00:01:15
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 05:46:03
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: [e-mail] (Frank McKenney)

In <[e-mail]>, Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>
writes:
>I'll see about adding the apply, archive, and backout wording to the
>READ.ME that is clear. The URL seems clear to me, but some points are
>subtle and need better understanding.

Irv,

On a related topic:  I just COMMITted XR_M011, and was once again nailed
by COMMIT's demand for a :SOURCE option.  It feels _really_ odd to use a
directory with XR_D001 files to get sneak a COMMIT for XR_M011 (;-).

Which file(s) or directories does COMMIT actually check for? Is there
some simple way of "faking" it out?


Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / [phone]
E-mail: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                                    07-Sep-99 04:15:26
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 15:25:24
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <[e-mail]>

In article
<[e-mail]
  "Dale Curren" <[e-mail]> wrote:
        <<<snip>>>
> We're having a lot of fun with jstreet.  A fellow
named Paul VanKeep is fixing
> many of the little problems and it's becoming quite
wonderful.

I have been using JStreet for a while.  But there
were some odd occurrences I noticed that I might
characterize as bugs.  So I E-mailed
[e-mail].  FOUR TIMES.  Going back a
couple of months.  I have yet to receive any response
whatsoever.  That E-mail address is identified in the
internal JStreet documentation as the place to send
requests for help.

So who is this Paul VanKeep guy?  Works for Innoval?
Would he perhaps like a copy of my E-mails to
Innoval?  Has anybody received any support lately
from Innoval?  Is there some other address I should
be sending to?

My other post on this thread was ignored.  Perhaps
I'll get a response to this post.........

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


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From: [e-mail]                                    07-Sep-99 05:08:25
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 15:25:24
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <[e-mail]>

In article <05C6FUhLDNUU-pn2-LKMXzvd2UPpx@localhost>,
  [e-mail] (William Sonna) wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 04:29:48, Bill "Wild Willy"
Kredentser
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > In article <c1.2b8.2S43ft$[e-mail]>,
> >   [e-mail] (Joe Kovacs) wrote:
> >     and Irv Spalten & others also wrote:
> >
> > Hey Joe.  How's this for conciseness?
> >
> >         <<<snip>>>

Oy.  Bill, you & Joe should go in halves for some
snippers.........

(Ummmm.......  I am being playful here, guys.  Don't
get too bent out of shape.  But do snip these long
posts.  They've been posted once.  They don't need to
be posted multiple times.)

        <<<snip>>>
> Excuse me........I thought you said the Archive was
updated with the
> files contained in the service pack you just
committed to.

I did say that in my earlier post, but a subsequent
post from Irv Spalten, who is the developer working
on Fix Tool, corrected me.  My later post (the one I
snipped above) is correct, as Irv said in a yet later
post.

> Doesn't
> that mean that you can always back out to the level
of your most
> recent commit?  Don't you mean the backup?  And if
so, didn't you say
> above that the backup was automatically deleted?

If you never manually delete either the CSF Archive
or the CSF Backup, you will be able to back out to
your choice of to the Backup or to the Archive.

---> UNTIL YOU DO A COMMIT <---

Until you do a COMMIT, you can back out to either
level.  As soon as you do a COMMIT, you can't back
out to anything.  You're at the level you want to be
at.  Period.  That's what COMMIT means, not just in
this context, but in a general non-computer context
as well.  Doing a COMMIT deletes the Backup & gives
Fix Tool amnesia about the Archive.

        <<<snip>>>
> 1.  ALWAYS specify a backup directory when applying
a fixpack or
> service pack.  If you don't, and you find problems,
you will only be
> able to back out to the archive level.

I think this must be true.  I've always specified a
Backup so I'm not sure about the alternative to that.

        <<<snip>>>
> Am I making sense?

Your other points are OK, I guess.  But I'm not sure
you have the picture yet.  A Backup directory gives
you the ability to undo the most recently installed
Fix Pack, singular, just that one, nothing more.  The
only way your approach to maintenance will work is if
you do what I do not: don't COMMIT Fix Packs.  Or
just COMMIT after FP 8 & not again until you find a
FP you consider better than that.  As soon as you do
a COMMIT, the COMMIT itself deletes the Backup & the
COMMIT makes the Archive pointless.  You can't back
out to the Archive after a COMMIT.  You can't back
out to ANYTHING after a COMMIT.  The COMMIT makes
your system itself the Archive.  If you're like me &
keep the Archive around forever, you'll notice that
the Archive is actually one level back from your
current system.

Maybe my current state would be illustrative.  I
COMMITted FP10, then applied FP11.  I have not yet
done my next COMMIT.  I will do that as step 0 of
applying FP12, whenever that may be.  So my options
right now are to backout to Backup level, which takes
me back to FP10 level, or backout to Archive level,
which also takes me back to FP10 level.  If I had
simply omitted to COMMIT some FPs, I'd have some
different choice for backing out to Archive, but my
backout to Backup would continue to be simply to
FP10.

I like step by step procedures, too.  But I'm trying
to convey concepts here so that once you visualize
the concepts, once you internalize them, then you'll
just naturally understand what procedure you'll need
to perform.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


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From: [e-mail]                                  07-Sep-99 12:32:23
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 15:25:25
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: Rhys Dow <[e-mail]>


Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
>
> In article
> <[e-mail]
>   "Dale Curren" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>         <<<snip>>>
> > We're having a lot of fun with jstreet.  A fellow
> named Paul VanKeep is fixing
> > many of the little problems and it's becoming quite
> wonderful.
>
> I have been using JStreet for a while.  But there
> were some odd occurrences I noticed that I might
> characterize as bugs.  So I E-mailed
> [e-mail].  FOUR TIMES.  Going back a
> couple of months.  I have yet to receive any response
> whatsoever.  That E-mail address is identified in the
> internal JStreet documentation as the place to send
> requests for help.
>
> So who is this Paul VanKeep guy?  Works for Innoval?
> Would he perhaps like a copy of my E-mails to
> Innoval?  Has anybody received any support lately
> from Innoval?  Is there some other address I should
> be sending to?
>
> My other post on this thread was ignored.  Perhaps
> I'll get a response to this post.........
>
Hmm...

Guess no one wanted to break the news to you.  Innoval has officially
announced that they will no long provide support for PostRoad Mailer,
JStreet Mailer and Web Watch Willy.  In reality, at least for JStreet
they haven't been providing technical support for almost a year now.

The JStreet mail mailing list, run by Innoval, was recently cut off, but
Paul van Keep started hosting his own listserver and the diehards kept
on.  PvK had been releasing patches for JSM based (I think) on
disassembled bytecode.  Since Innoval officially dropped it, they may
have handed the source over to him.  They did actually promise, about a
year ago, that they would make JSM open source, but requests for source
were put off repeatedly.

In short, you WILL NOT hear anything from Innoval, many have tried.  I'm
afraid I don't have the listserver address for PvK, but if you mail the
poster that you're replying to directly, I'm sure he'll let you know
(they're a very friendly, helpful bunch).

Rhys

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From: [e-mail]                            07-Sep-99 14:29:05
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 18:14:23
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: [e-mail]

In <7r26kt$r87$[e-mail]>, Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser
<[e-mail]> writes:
>In article <05C6FUhLDNUU-pn2-LKMXzvd2UPpx@localhost>,

>---> UNTIL YOU DO A COMMIT <---
>
>Until you do a COMMIT, you can back out to either
>level.  As soon as you do a COMMIT, you can't back
>out to anything.  You're at the level you want to be
>at.  Period.  That's what COMMIT means, not just in
>this context, but in a general non-computer context
>as well.  Doing a COMMIT deletes the Backup & gives
>Fix Tool amnesia about the Archive.

  Indeed... knowing how to commit is one thing.. and,
    becoming committed does, at times, bring understanding .. since,
      sometimes it's hard to get out once you've gotten committed!
        I guess you could say that, COMMIT is .. EST .. for OS/2!
          Chortle.

   BTW .. ain't English wonderful?  Try this one in a romance language!


--> Sleep well; OS2's still awake! ;)

[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                                 07-Sep-99 10:42:12
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 18:14:23
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies

From: [e-mail]

In <MSGID_25=3A100=2F0.6_37d24fd4@de>, on 09/05/99
   at 11:05 AM, [e-mail] (Oliver Rick) said:


>On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

>> You appear to be rather knowledgeable, which is what I need.  I run Warp
>> 4, no fix paks.  I have Fix Pak 6 but am reluctant to install it for two
>> reasons:  I don't have a lot of trouble with my Warp 4 (although lately
>> it weems to be getting cranky) but more importantly, I am concerned that
>> my attempt to install 6 will result in a horrid crash.

>Take a look at
>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/Homepages/orick/utlboot1.htm, create a
>single disk that matches your configuration from the description there or
>use the BootOS/2 utility listed at the bottom of the page. Archive your
>system with zip -rS9 <target> <boot partition>:\* Then you can boot from
>the disk(s), reformat the partition and restore the old boot partition.


Ollie;

Thanks for the info.  will mull it all over.

Regards,

Whit
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From: [e-mail]                                07-Sep-99 10:17:15
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 18:14:23
Subj: Re: RSU fail due to unzip RC=3

From: Dick Kurtz <[e-mail]>

Ref:     Append at 19:49:13 on 99/09/03 GMT (by [e-mail] (Chris Hall)

Appears to be a problem in rsuinst.exe and/or ftpinstl.exe with parsing the
output from unzip -l command. With verbose mode, the output of unzip -l is
used to display each file as it is extracted from the zip archive. If the
parsing of that output is messed up then the unzips won't work and you get
the rc=3 failure.

What release of unzip.exe are you using.
Can you post here, the output of unzip -l csf141.zip?

> Thanks, I think that was it. I had turned on verbose because I did not want
to run
> the update and I wanted as much info as possible. Turns out debug (which
> does work) is better anyway. I had already found that RSU worked using
> NS 2.02 on this set up and my maintenance partition. I now can get it to
> work with Communicator 4.04.

Dick Kurtz
eBusiness Development, Austin Tx.

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From: [e-mail]                                07-Sep-99 10:23:09
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 18:14:23
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: Dick Kurtz <[e-mail]>

Ref:     Append at 14:39:59 on 99/09/05 -0700 (by [e-mail] (Will
Honea)

This is fixed in FP12 (currently in test).

> Just reset the directory attributes to clear the archive bit and the
> problem goes away for a bit.  I just inserted a small command file to
> do this after every mail check.  PITA, but it works.


Dick Kurtz
eBusiness Development, Austin Tx.

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From: [e-mail]                                  07-Sep-99 16:17:16
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 20:34:10
Subj: Re: RSU fail due to unzip RC=3

From: [e-mail] (Chris Hall)

Dick:

As I posted in another follow up, it appears that "verbose" isn't the real
problem,
as I can get the error without verbose on. After a fresh boot, RSU works. The
only thing which correlates with whether it is disabled is if I've run
seti@home
and it has accessed data via ftp. Maybe this points to ftpinstl? Anyway, I'm
using unzip 5.32 and here's the output for csf141:

Archive:  csf141.zip
 Length    EAs   ACLs    Date    Time    Name
 ------    ---   ----    ----    ----    ----
 211206      0      0  12-08-98  12:56   ftpinstl.exe
   1141      0      0  11-11-98  12:59   ftpinstl.txt
 268118      0      0  07-02-99  16:54   os2serv.exe
   4026      0      0  05-17-96  14:32   os2serv.ico
  31612      0      0  03-12-99  17:05   os2serv.inf
   6174      0      0  02-19-99  13:40   os2serv.msg
   4475      0      0  11-25-98  15:45   csf/archctl.cmd
  37277      0      0  06-12-97  15:19   csf/attribv2.exe
  37277      0      0  12-12-94  20:04   csf/attribv3.exe
  37277      0      0  08-09-96  00:02   csf/attribv4.exe
  37789      0      0  12-07-98  18:12   csf/attribv5.exe
    101      0      0  07-01-99  07:48   csf/build.lvl
  60304      0      0  02-11-97  10:51   csf/csfpans.dll
      4      0      0  06-19-98  10:23   csf/csf_kick
  88190      0      0  07-01-99  12:22   csf/filefix.dll
   1171      0      0  10-13-98  15:28   csf/fpinst.cmd
 302640      0      0  07-01-99  07:48   csf/fservice.exe
  12806      0      0  01-26-98  11:00   csf/fservice.msg
  33031      0      0  07-01-99  12:22   csf/ibmcsflk.dll
  15725      0      0  06-17-99  09:05   csf/ibmcsflk.exe
    516      0      0  05-02-95  16:17   csf/ibmcsflk.msg
   3860      0      0  07-26-96  16:00   csf/ibmcsflk.sys
   7424      0      0  02-12-99  16:19   csf/ibmdapln
    512      0      0  07-01-99  12:22   csf/msg.dll
    512      0      0  07-01-99  12:22   csf/nls.dll
  58256      0      0  09-23-94  05:23   csf/pack.exe
  12836      0      0  06-12-97  15:54   csf/pstatv2.exe
  13380      0      0  12-12-94  21:19   csf/pstatv3.exe
  10339      0      0  08-09-96  00:32   csf/pstatv4.exe
  11669      0      0  12-07-98  18:17   csf/pstatv5.exe
  48172      0      0  07-01-99  12:00   csf/read.me
  27497      0      0  05-02-95  16:14   csf/readme.inf
    654      0      0  06-29-98  10:24   csf/response.lan
   4191      0      0  06-11-98  11:13   csf/response.os2
   3947      0      0  05-11-99  12:27   csf/response.wp3
   3763      0      0  05-11-99  12:27   csf/response.wp4
 329696      0      0  07-01-99  12:22   csf/service.exe
  21068      0      0  05-02-95  16:14   csf/service.hlp
  47189      0      0  07-01-99  12:22   csf/shpiinst.dll
  72048      0      0  04-13-99  12:28   csf/unpack.exe
  79792      0      0  04-13-99  12:41   csf/unpack2.exe
   2048      0      0  07-01-99  12:22   csf/viocalls.dll
 ------  -----  -----                    -------
1949713      0      0                    42 files



In <7r3a5p$vg2$[e-mail]>, Dick Kurtz <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Ref:     Append at 19:49:13 on 99/09/03 GMT (by [e-mail] (Chris Hall)
>
>Appears to be a problem in rsuinst.exe and/or ftpinstl.exe with parsing the
>output from unzip -l command. With verbose mode, the output of unzip -l is
>used to display each file as it is extracted from the zip archive. If the
>parsing of that output is messed up then the unzips won't work and you get
>the rc=3 failure.
>
>What release of unzip.exe are you using.
>Can you post here, the output of unzip -l csf141.zip?
>
>> Thanks, I think that was it. I had turned on verbose because I did not want
to run
>> the update and I wanted as much info as possible. Turns out debug (which
>> does work) is better anyway. I had already found that RSU worked using
>> NS 2.02 on this set up and my maintenance partition. I now can get it to
>> work with Communicator 4.04.
>
>Dick Kurtz
>eBusiness Development, Austin Tx.


Chris Hall  ([e-mail])
Dept. of Geological Sciences, U. of Michigan
"They use Microsoft Excel to plot their data. Sometimes they get the results
they expect, sometimes they don't."   from Microsoft TV commercial, 1999.


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From: [e-mail]                                    07-Sep-99 16:25:06
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 20:34:10
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
  Rhys Dow <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
> > In article
<[e-mail]
> >   "Dale Curren" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >         <<<snip>>>
> > > We're having a lot of fun with jstreet.  A
fellow
> > named Paul VanKeep is fixing
> > > many of the little problems and it's becoming
quite
> > wonderful.
        <<<snip>>>
> Guess no one wanted to break the news to you.
Innoval has officially
> announced that they will no long provide support
for PostRoad Mailer,
> JStreet Mailer and Web Watch Willy.  In reality, at
least for JStreet
> they haven't been providing technical support for
almost a year now.

I don't get out from under my rock very often so I
had no idea this had happened.  I would occasionally
get E-mails from Innoval announcing new releases or
new products.  I guess it was just too much to have
expected a COURTESY notification from them of this
drastic change.  I mean, I'm only a PAYING customer.

        <<<snips abound>>>
> Paul van Keep started hosting his own listserver

I visited http://paul.vankeep.com but there's just 1
link there & it doesn't lead to anything about
JStreet.  Clues, please..........

> have handed the source over to him.

There's a link at Hobbes that claims to be for the
source.

> I'm
> afraid I don't have the listserver address for PvK,
but if you mail the
> poster that you're replying to directly, I'm sure
he'll let you know
> (they're a very friendly, helpful bunch).

This is good to hear.  I think the method for joining
this list is of sufficient general interest that a
public request rather than a private E-mail is more
appropriate.  This is a public request.

I did just find a jstreet.zip at Hobbes in directory
pub/java/apps/internet/mail & I downloaded it.  The
zip file is dated last Thursday but the contents
appear to be Innoval's.  All the file dates inside
the zip are from 1998 & match what I already have.
Except for innoval.jar, which appears to be newer
(December 1998) than what I have.  But the contents
of this zip archive are about evenly split between
1997 & 1998 dates.  Is this in fact Mr. VanKeep's
improved JStreet or is it hiding elsewhere at Hobbes?
A search on jstreet turns up only this copy (and its
twin in a "new" directory).  A search on VanKeep
turns up nothing.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


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From: [e-mail]                                07-Sep-99 11:54:17
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 20:34:10
Subj: Re: RSU fail due to unzip RC=3

From: Dick Kurtz <[e-mail]>

Ref:     Append at 16:17:32 on 99/09/07 GMT (by [e-mail] (Chris Hall)

Okay, output is as expected. seti@home hmmmmm

Wonder if anyone else is having fixpak problems after running it?

Dick Kurtz
eBusiness Development, Austin Tx.

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From: [e-mail]                                  07-Sep-99 17:58:04
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 20:34:11
Subj: Re: RSU fail due to unzip RC=3

From: [e-mail] (Chris Hall)

In <7r3frp$oje$[e-mail]>, Dick Kurtz <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Ref:     Append at 16:17:32 on 99/09/07 GMT (by [e-mail] (Chris Hall)
>
>Okay, output is as expected. seti@home hmmmmm
>
>Wonder if anyone else is having fixpak problems after running it?
>
>Dick Kurtz
>eBusiness Development, Austin Tx.

Dick:

I tried RSU again, this time with seti running, just after a data packet had
been
downloaded and it worked! So I don't really know what's causing my problem,
but occasionally I get into a state where every time I try RSU I get the
unzip RC=3 error. A reboot is necessary to fix. Weird!

Chris Hall  ([e-mail])
Dept. of Geological Sciences, U. of Michigan
"They use Microsoft Excel to plot their data. Sometimes they get the results
they expect, sometimes they don't."   from Microsoft TV commercial, 1999.


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From: [e-mail]                                   07-Sep-99 14:32:27
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 20:34:11
Subj: Re: NS/2 4.04 is driving me crazy!

From: Norton Boothe <[e-mail]>

I have seen the same thing but not that frequently. I think it might be
related
to cache cleanup (removing xxx files) but not sure.

A worse problem with 4.04 is the long time (over 5 minutes) it takes to exit
it.
I can't even shut down until this program puts itself to bed. I have truncated
the history list, cache, etc but nothing speeds it up. Any ideas, anyone?


Thomas Nagy wrote:

> This problem with NS/2 is getting worse and although I am a long time
> OS/2 user, I cannot figure out what's wrong. It could be an OS/2 problem
> but since it happens to NS/2 ONLY, I have my doubts. Here is the problem:
>
> While using NS/2, every 1-2 minutes, the whole system stops for 10-15
> seconds: the clock does not progress, the mouse shows 'busy' and I cannot
> do anything. If I happen to click the mouse twice during this time, after
the
> 10-15 seconds the window list comes up to make things more frustrating.
> There is a heavy disk activity during this time.
>
> I know that others have experienced the other problem I have with NS/2,
> namely, the system is basically 'hung' for several seconds (or a few
> minutes, if you use NS/2 for a longer period of time) after you close NS/2.
> I bet that this is related to the problem above.
>
> None of this happens with NS/2 2.02. I thought that it could be some java
> problem and tried to play with the parameters -noasyncgc -noclassgc
> and -nojit but this has no effect. Also tried various disk and memory cache
> settings with no positive effects at all.
>
> I am at the limit of my patience. WTF is wrong?
> Please reply if you have a clue. Thank you.
>
> Thomas Nagy
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Check out my cats! (http://members.home.net/2832779232/index.htm)
> Free Office Suite: http://www.stardivision.com/so40/index.html



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From: [e-mail]                               07-Sep-99 12:06:11
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 20:34:11
Subj: Re: NS/2 4.04 is driving me crazy!

From: Frank <[e-mail]>

I have my memory cache at 1000K and Disk at 5000K, and the cleanups only
take a second or two. No delay seen in closing netscape.

Frank.

Norton Boothe wrote:
>
> I have seen the same thing but not that frequently. I think it might be
related
> to cache cleanup (removing xxx files) but not sure.
>
> A worse problem with 4.04 is the long time (over 5 minutes) it takes to exit
it.
> I can't even shut down until this program puts itself to bed. I have
truncated
> the history list, cache, etc but nothing speeds it up. Any ideas, anyone?
>
> Thomas Nagy wrote:
>
> > This problem with NS/2 is getting worse and although I am a long time
> > OS/2 user, I cannot figure out what's wrong. It could be an OS/2 problem
> > but since it happens to NS/2 ONLY, I have my doubts. Here is the problem:
> >
> > While using NS/2, every 1-2 minutes, the whole system stops for 10-15
> > seconds: the clock does not progress, the mouse shows 'busy' and I cannot
> > do anything. If I happen to click the mouse twice during this time, after
the
> > 10-15 seconds the window list comes up to make things more frustrating.
> > There is a heavy disk activity during this time.
> >
> > I know that others have experienced the other problem I have with NS/2,
> > namely, the system is basically 'hung' for several seconds (or a few
> > minutes, if you use NS/2 for a longer period of time) after you close
NS/2.
> > I bet that this is related to the problem above.
> >
> > None of this happens with NS/2 2.02. I thought that it could be some java
> > problem and tried to play with the parameters -noasyncgc -noclassgc
> > and -nojit but this has no effect. Also tried various disk and memory
cache
> > settings with no positive effects at all.
> >
> > I am at the limit of my patience. WTF is wrong?
> > Please reply if you have a clue. Thank you.
> >
> > Thomas Nagy
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Check out my cats! (http://members.home.net/2832779232/index.htm)
> > Free Office Suite: http://www.stardivision.com/so40/index.html

--
*        Frank Maskus  Portland, Oregon           *
*   Homepage: http://www.pacifier.com/~fmaskus/   *
*                                                 *
*        An oxymoron: Knowledgeable AOLers        *

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From: [e-mail]                                   07-Sep-99 15:23:22
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 20:34:11
Subj: Re: New Mouse.sys bug

From: Juan I. Cahis <[e-mail]>

Dear Friends:

I had the same problem.


[e-mail] (J1Hamilton) wrote:

>I too found the new MOUSE.SYS unworkable, but for a different reason. It
bombed
>with a trap 000d just as soon as either mouse button was clicked when used
with
>Security Enabling Services.
>Replacing it with the prior MOUSE.SYS solved the problem. CSLIM=000037a2
which
>was shown to be the MOUSE.SYS preload.
>                           Jerry Hamilton

Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Email: [e-mail] [e-mail]
To send me Email, please remove ".nospam" from my Email address
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!

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From: [e-mail]                 07-Sep-99 15:22:21
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 20:34:11
Subj: Re: NS/2 4.04 is driving me crazy!

From: [e-mail] (Raphael Tennenbaum)

Norton Boothe <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I have seen the same thing but not that frequently. I think it might be
related
>to cache cleanup (removing xxx files) but not sure.
>
>A worse problem with 4.04 is the long time (over 5 minutes) it takes to exit
it.
>I can't even shut down until this program puts itself to bed. I have
truncated
>the history list, cache, etc but nothing speeds it up. Any ideas, anyone?
>

The update helps with this problem -- a lot -- still the
occasional hang after exiting, but much much better than
before, and it fixes other problems as well (here, anyway).

ftp.software.ibm.com in the

/ps/products/netscape/fixes/a_universal

directory.


--
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: [e-mail]                               07-Sep-99 12:33:19
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 20:34:11
Subj: SYS0147 Error on Fixpack Install

From: "S. Michael" <[e-mail]>

Trying to install Fixpack 5.  Im using the automated FTP stuff, thats worked
for me many times before.

After everyhing is downloaded and extracted, when the actual install runs,
the system comes back immediately with a SYS0147 - Not enough resources
available error message.  I have 3+ gig free on HD, and 64m Memory.  Any
suggestions?

S. Michael
[e-mail]





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From: [e-mail]                               07-Sep-99 15:38:13
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 20:34:11
Subj: Re: DB2 6.1 problems with JFS

From: Brad BARCLAY <[e-mail]>

Robert Marcano wrote:
> About your problem, I have experienced that with DB2 5.2 when I installed
> TCPIP 4.2 (comes with Workspace on Demand). The Warp Server for eb comes
with
> 4.1 version, I don't know if that is the problem. DB2 6.1 detected tcpip 4.2
> in my laptop with Warp 4 fixpak 9.

    The DB2 installation program was extensively tested under OS/2 WARP
Server for e-business, and there are no known problems or
incompatabilities between it an WSEB's level of TCP/IP.  The TCP/IP in
WSEB is v4.2.

Brad BARCLAY,
DB2 for OS/2 Install Developer,
IBM Canada Inc.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Posted from the OS/2 WARP v5 desktop of Brad BARCLAY.
E-Mail:  [e-mail]        Location:  2G43D@Torolabs
Phone: [phone]            Tie-Line: 778-3271

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From: [e-mail]                               07-Sep-99 15:45:09
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 20:34:11
Subj: Re: DB2 6.1 problems with JFS

From: Brad BARCLAY <[e-mail]>

"H.-W. Hunsaenger" wrote:
> do you have no problems with db2 6.1 on warp server for eb ?
> I try to install db2 with TCP-Support and it does not work, it say no tcp
> installed, but tcp is properly installed on the machine ?

    Installing DB2 v6.1 onto OS/2 WARP Server for e-business has been
extensively tested, and there are no known problems with TCP/IP
detection on a properly installed and configures WSEB system (which
isn't to say that there are no problems - simply that none are known to
the DB2 for OS/2 Install developer, namely me :).

    Take a look at your L1 and L2 log files to see if they report why they
couldn't detect your TCP/IP - it could be improperly installed.  These
log files should be stored in your x:\db2log directory, where x: is your
OS/2 boot drive, with files named L1.LOG and L2.LOG.

    Best of luck!

Brad BARCLAY
DB2 for OS/2 Install Developer,
IBM Canada.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Posted from the OS/2 WARP v5 desktop of Brad BARCLAY.
E-Mail:  [e-mail]        Location:  2G43D@Torolabs
Phone: [phone]            Tie-Line: 778-3271

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From: [e-mail]                              07-Sep-99 17:53:02
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 05:26:21
Subj: Re: Visualage C++ and Warp4F11

From: alex <[e-mail]>

Same problem here on VA3.0 or 4.0
SCSI ZIP disk must be in before any compile

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From: [e-mail]                                  07-Sep-99 19:59:12
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 05:26:21
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>

Go directly to http://paul.vanKeep.com/jstreet/ . Do not pass GO.

Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
>
> In article
> <[e-mail]
>   "Dale Curren" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>         <<<snip>>>
> > We're having a lot of fun with jstreet.  A fellow
> named Paul VanKeep is fixing
> > many of the little problems and it's becoming quite
> wonderful.
>
> I have been using JStreet for a while.  But there
> were some odd occurrences I noticed that I might
> characterize as bugs.  So I E-mailed
> [e-mail].  FOUR TIMES.  Going back a
> couple of months.  I have yet to receive any response
> whatsoever.  That E-mail address is identified in the
> internal JStreet documentation as the place to send
> requests for help.
>
> So who is this Paul VanKeep guy?  Works for Innoval?
> Would he perhaps like a copy of my E-mails to
> Innoval?  Has anybody received any support lately
> from Innoval?  Is there some other address I should
> be sending to?
>
> My other post on this thread was ignored.  Perhaps
> I'll get a response to this post.........
>
> WW
> Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

--
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: [e-mail]                                     07-Sep-99 21:09:27
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 10:38:27
Subj: Netscape Requires MPTS

From: [e-mail] (Mikus Grinbergs)

I guess this is an observation, not a bug.  Still...

Couldn't take it any more (that is another story) so I wiped out
TCP/IP 4.2 and reinstalled TCP/IP 4.0.  In the process (and to
make sure that 4.2 was gone gone gone) I deleted the \mptn
directory tree.  To my surprise, I could NOT bring up Netscape
(to look at local .html files).  However, Mozilla (alpha) _did_
come up, as did HotJava.  (Opera under WinOS/2 also came up, as
I had not yet deleted winsock.dll.)

If Netscape were a 'web browser', I would have no objections to
it not functioning when my ability-to-connect-to-the-web was
also not functioning.  But Netscape is __not__ just a 'browser',
it is now a SYSTEM TOOL as well.

I question what kind of a house of cards is being built here.
Suppose somebody wanted to install Java 1.1.8.  To do so, they
would need Feature Install.  The only documented way to run
Feature Install needs Netscape.  It turns out now that to run
Netscape, MPTS is needed.  That is a LOT of function that needs
to be in good working order, just to install one OS/2 feature.


mikus

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From: [e-mail]                   08-Sep-99 03:07:19
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 10:38:27
Subj: JFS Driver Install Problem

From: "David D. Huff Jr." <[e-mail]>

I downloaded the 08/30/1999 JFS.IFS driver from IBM but
when I install it other device drivers hang and the system
refuses to boot. I've tried to REM all the conflicting drivers
to get it to boot. But I can't REM essential drivers just to use
the new JFS.IFS.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks in advance

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From: [e-mail]                               07-Sep-99 00:42:11
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 10:38:27
Subj: fixpack 38

From: "Dilbert Firestorm" <[e-mail]>

anyone know where I can get a copy of an fixpak 38 RSU?

The IBM website doesn't have it listed.



Origin: Nuclear Wasteland * 504-394-0509


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From: [e-mail]                                08-Sep-99 03:41:00
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 10:38:27
Subj: IBM Software Choice Update Problem

From: [e-mail]

Greetings,

I am having difficulty applying the updates to my OS/2 Version 4 Client
workstation via the IBM Software Choice CD-ROM's that I purchased.

When I launch the feature install program, it indicates to me that the
desktop is about to be refreshed.

When I click on OK, the OS shuts down and stops.

Are there any instructions available that are more detailed in regards
to installing these updates?

Will downloading and installing the new feature install program resolve
the problem?

I would greatly appreciate some instructions that will allow me to
install this software properly.


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From: [e-mail]                            07-Sep-99 20:55:15
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 10:38:27
Subj: Re: FP11 and the little archive bit problem in directory entries

From: Randy Petersen <[e-mail]>

Chuck, If you run 'dirfix all test' it doesn't pickup HPFS formatted drives.

/*----------------------------------------------------------------------*
  Posted with MR/2 ICE v1.51 (#10203) courtesy of In-Joy Pro on OS/2
  Please also email replies to: Randy Petersen <[e-mail]>
  Now Very Happily Warping along with Warp 3.0 Connect at fixpack #40.
  SPAMMERS don't bother me, I direct them to the void at /dev/nul.
*----------------------------------------------------------------------*/

In <[e-mail]>, on 09/06/99
   at 11:30 AM, Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]> said:


>Sorry, had a minor problem parsing the argument in dirfix.

/*
dirfix.cmd - reset archive attribute on directories
Copyright 1999 by Chuck McKinnis,  Sandia Park, NM (USA)
[e-mail]
*/

Trace 'N'

Parse Upper Arg drives test .

If drives = 'TEST' Then
   Parse Upper Arg test drives .

If Abbrev(test, 'TEST') Then
   test = 1
Else
   test = 0

If drives = '' Then
   Do
      Say 'Report on and reset directory entries'
      Say '   that have the archive bit set on'
      Say ''
      Say 'Usage - dirfix x: | all [test]'
      Say '   test - just report the findings'
      Return
   End

Call Setup

If drives = 'ALL' Then
   drives = SysDriveMap(, 'LOCAL')
Else
   If Lastpos(':', drives) <> Length(drives) Then
      drives = drives || ':'

tst_attrib = '++***'
chg_attrib = '-****'

if test Then
   chg_attrib = '*****'

Do i = 1 To Words(drives)
   Parse Value SysDriveInfo(Word(drives, i)) With drive free total .
   If free = total | free = '' | free = 0 Then
      Iterate i
   drive = drive || '\'
   rc = SysFileTree(drive, 'dirs.', 'DSO', tst_attrib, chg_attrib)
   If dirs.0 > 0 Then
      Do i = 1 To dirs.0
         Say 'Archive bit set on in' dirs.i
      End
   Else
      Say 'No archive bits found set in directories on' drive
   If \test Then
      Do
         If dirs.0 = 1 Then
            Say dirs.0 'directory cleared on' drive
         Else
            Say dirs.0 'directories cleared on' drive
      End
End
Call Cleanup
Return

Cleanup:
 Procedure Expose sysfuncs.
 Do i = 1 To sysfuncs.0
    If sysfuncs.i <> '' Then
       Call RxFuncDrop(sysfuncs.i)
 End
 Return

Setup:
 Procedure Expose sysfuncs.
 sysfuncs.1 = 'SysFileTree'
 sysfuncs.2 = 'SysDriveMap'
 sysfuncs.3 = 'SysDriveInfo'
 sysfuncs.0 = 3
 Do i = 1 To sysfuncs.0
    If RxFuncQuery(sysfuncs.i) Then
       Call RxFuncAdd sysfuncs.i, 'RexxUtil', sysfuncs.i
    Else
       sysfuncs.i = ''
 End
 Return

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From: [e-mail]                                  08-Sep-99 04:35:07
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 10:38:27
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: Rhys Dow <[e-mail]>


Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
>
> I don't get out from under my rock very often so I
> had no idea this had happened.  I would occasionally
> get E-mails from Innoval announcing new releases or
> new products.  I guess it was just too much to have
> expected a COURTESY notification from them of this
> drastic change.  I mean, I'm only a PAYING customer.
>
Yeah, well, I was a paying beta tester  :<

>         <<<snips abound>>>
> > Paul van Keep started hosting his own listserver
>
> I visited http://paul.vankeep.com but there's just 1
> link there & it doesn't lead to anything about
> JStreet.  Clues, please..........
>
Chuck McKinnis has posted a message saying it's at:

http://paul.vanKeep.com/jstreet/

>
> This is good to hear.  I think the method for joining
> this list is of sufficient general interest that a
> public request rather than a private E-mail is more
> appropriate.  This is a public request.
>
I'm afraid I can't help you there, I signed off quite a while ago, and
don't have any old addresses.  Hopefully someone on the list will
reply.  I imagine Tim Martin knows!  :o

Rhys

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From: [e-mail]                             07-Sep-99 23:47:26
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 10:38:27
Subj: NS4.61 Beta1+2 Printer Bug

From: "Mark Arnone" <[e-mail]>

Is anyone besides me having a problem with the omni printer driver after NS
4.61 is installed?
Since I installed it my printer (HP 550C) will only print in color mode.
Printing in black only causes my pages to be completely black! I don't think
that is what they had in mind when they said "black only."  I tried using
anonther printer (HP 500) which is a monochrome printer and the result is the
same.  I'd like to hear from anyone that has had this problem and possibly
fixed it.  Thanks all!

                                Mark Arnone



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From: [e-mail]                            07-Sep-99 22:51:13
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 10:38:27
Subj: PCMCIA on a Dell Latitude CPi D233ST Laptop

From: Randy Petersen <[e-mail]>

I'd like to add some URGENCY to this message!

Within 1 month I'll have to give up my desktop system at work which is
currently running Warp 3 Connect @ FP26.  This has been my system since
OS/2 v2.1 was released.  I will either have to migrate all my stuff over
to the Dell Laptop on Warp 4, or I will have to succumb to the Corporate
STD-WIN '98.  To migate from Warp Connect on the desktop to Warp 4 on the
laptop, I MUST get PCMCIA Card & Socket services working to allow me to
use the PCMCIA ethernet and PCMCIA modem cards.

PCMCIA CARDS:
   1) Linksys Combo (not really) PCMCIA Ethernet Card (Model: EC2T)
   2) 3Com Megahertz 56K Global Modem PC Card (Model: 3CCM156)
   3) Adaptec SlimSCSI APA-1460A (Part#:997400)

===============================================================================
==
I've spent a couple weeks trying to get IBM Card & Socket services going.
Warp 4 GA PCMCIA support, updated to FP9, then FP11.  Also tried the much
touted IBM PC Card Director for the thinkpad 765 per Dr Martinus NoteBook/2
Website below:

<A HREF="http://www.os2ss.com/users/DrMartinus/">


Does anyone have any PCMCIA cards running on Warp (4) on the "exact-same"
laptop?
 What is the name/date/size/version of your Card & Socket services drivers?
 What's the magic incantation you use?  Do you use reserve.sys? and if so,
what?


The laptop in question uses the TI PCI-1131 CardBus controller.  My Dell
Latitude
CPi D233ST laptop has Bios vA03 and I cannot find earlier/later versions at
Dell.

I am considering the TouchStone driver, but there is CO$TLY support attached
at US $1082/day or US $216/hr.

<A HREF="http://www.os2ss.com/users/DrMartinus/TouchStoneCardWareDriver.htm">


Thanks in advance for any help,
Randy Petersen <[e-mail]>
Warp 4 engaged.

/*----------------------------------------------------------------------*
  Posted with MR/2 ICE v1.51 (#10203) courtesy of In-Joy Pro on OS/2
  Please also email replies to: Randy Petersen <[e-mail]>
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From: [e-mail]                               07-Sep-99 23:05:16
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 10:38:27
Subj: JStreet Mailer: Who, What, Where & How

From: Tim Martin <[e-mail]>

Rhys Dow wrote:

> Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:

> > This is good to hear.  I think the method for joining
> > this list is of sufficient general interest that a
> > public request rather than a private E-mail is more
> > appropriate.  This is a public request.
> >
> I'm afraid I can't help you there, I signed off quite a while ago, and
> don't have any old addresses.  Hopefully someone on the list will
> reply.  I imagine Tim Martin knows!  :o

Yes, of course.  J Street Mailer is now under new development by
the J Street Band (of programmers) headed by Paul vanKeep of
Sumatra Software and Mike Bowler.  You would be amazed at what
these two extremely competent Java programmers have accomplished
in just a very short period of time.  To join the current mailing list
simply visit here, select the JStreet Users list and sign up:

http://www.sumatra.nl:81/guest/RemoteAvailableLists

If you have a copy of JSM on your system today you can
click the icon to download version pvk.7 dated august 31.
The file name is inno7.zip.  Download this file directly
into your JSM directory then rename your current innoval.jar
file innoval-old.jar and rename the inno7.zip to innoval.jar.
When you start JSM this new innoval.jar will unzip itself and
update all the necessary files.  Very ingenious.  You'll find
JSM really fast now with some new features and graphics
and much more to come.

The JSM community owes many kudos and special thanks
primarily to Paul vanKeep as well as to his newest team
member, Mike Bowler, for their fine work.  JSM continues
to be the leader in Java emailers.

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City
http://warpcity.com
"E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"

P.S.  If you're not a registered owner of J Street Mailer you can
become one very easily.  Dan Porter of InnoVal Systems has
released JSM for free.  Download your copy from here:
http://st6.yahoo.com/lib/innoval.jstreet.zip

and use the free registration code of:  38604851 to activate
your own copy of JSM.  Download the upgrade above to
upgrade it to the most current release.

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From: nospam                                            08-Sep-99 09:22:20
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 14:43:00
Subj: Re: NS/2 4.04 is driving me crazy!

From: glennth@<nospam>senet.com.au (Glenn Thompson)

On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 04:10:43, "David D. Huff Jr." <[e-mail]>
wrote:

-> I just found the solution to my problem. The netscape.hst file had grown
over
-> 5 Mb and that was it. I renamed the history file and set the file to 0 in
the
-> preferences
-> and that was all it took. Darn I wasted several evenings trying to find
-> the problem.

Well that's one problem down, does anyone besides me find Netscape
4.04
crashes after initiating a download from a website ?

I find that pressing the shift button  while clicking on a zip file
link improves
things but it willl still crashe after a couple of uses. The error
message is
usually sys3175 - access violation I think.

Glenn.

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From: [e-mail]                           08-Sep-99 09:20:22
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 14:43:00
Subj: Re: Visualage C++ and Warp4F11

From: [e-mail] (Roman Stangl)

In article <[e-mail]>,
 on Tue, 07 Sep 1999 17:53:04 -0400,
 alex <alex> writes:
>Same problem here on VA3.0 or 4.0
>SCSI ZIP disk must be in before any compile
>

Or add AUTOFAIL=YES to your CONFIG.SYS (which solved that problem
for my MO-drive, it was introduced by the removable media
support)

Roman

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From: [e-mail]                           08-Sep-99 11:09:02
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 14:43:00
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: Csaba Raduly <[e-mail]>

Chuck McKinnis wrote:
>
> Go directly to http://paul.vanKeep.com/jstreet/ . Do not pass GO.
>
[snipped]

Can I still collect $200 ? Please ? :-)

Csaba
--
-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version 3.1
GCS/>GMU d- s:- a30 C++$ UL+ P+>+++ L++ E- W+ N++ o? K? w++>$ O++$ M-
V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X++ R* tv++ b++ DI+++ D++ G- e+++ h-- r-- !y+
-----END GEEK CODE BLOCK-----

Csaba Raduly,    Software Developer (OS/2),    Sophos Anti-Virus
mailto:[e-mail]            http://www.sophos.com/
US Support +1 888 SOPHOS 9            UK Support [phone]
Life is complex, with real and imaginary parts.

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From: [e-mail]                           08-Sep-99 11:11:09
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 14:43:00
Subj: Re: Netscape Requires MPTS

From: Csaba Raduly <[e-mail]>

Mikus Grinbergs wrote:
>
[snip]
> Suppose somebody wanted to install Java 1.1.8.  To do so, they
> would need Feature Install.  The only documented way to run
> Feature Install needs Netscape.  It turns out now that to run
> Netscape, MPTS is needed.
>

Not only that, but some kind of Java is needed too !
Kind of pulling itself by its own bootstraps ...

Csaba
--
-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version 3.1
GCS/>GMU d- s:- a30 C++$ UL+ P+>+++ L++ E- W+ N++ o? K? w++>$ O++$ M-
V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X++ R* tv++ b++ DI+++ D++ G- e+++ h-- r-- !y+
-----END GEEK CODE BLOCK-----

Csaba Raduly,    Software Developer (OS/2),    Sophos Anti-Virus
mailto:[e-mail]            http://www.sophos.com/
US Support +1 888 SOPHOS 9            UK Support [phone]
Life is complex, with real and imaginary parts.

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From: [e-mail]                                  08-Sep-99 11:07:29
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 14:43:00
Subj: Re: JStreet Mailer: Who, What, Where & How

From: [e-mail] (Stan Goodman)

I tried to subscribe to this list as soon as I saw Tim's posting. Two
minutes later, I received a note from the list asking that I confirm the
subscription. Two minutes after that, it turned out that the reason the
list needed this confirmation was so that it could inform me that the list
already had its maximum permissible number of subscribers. Way to go,
fellas.

I can only hope that some of the kind successful subscribers will post here
(and maybe even on comp.os.os2.mail-news) some of the more trenchant
information from the list, so that even those outside the select circle may
profit.

According to Tim's message, I could have downloaded the new version to
replace my registered version by clicking on "the icon". Has anybody
discovered this icon? I saw nothing that looked like a download link or an
icon that might work as advertized.

On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 06:05:33, Tim Martin <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Rhys Dow wrote:
>
> > Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
>
> > > This is good to hear.  I think the method for joining
> > > this list is of sufficient general interest that a
> > > public request rather than a private E-mail is more
> > > appropriate.  This is a public request.
> > >
> > I'm afraid I can't help you there, I signed off quite a while ago, and
> > don't have any old addresses.  Hopefully someone on the list will
> > reply.  I imagine Tim Martin knows!  :o
>
> Yes, of course.  J Street Mailer is now under new development by
> the J Street Band (of programmers) headed by Paul vanKeep of
> Sumatra Software and Mike Bowler.  You would be amazed at what
> these two extremely competent Java programmers have accomplished
> in just a very short period of time.  To join the current mailing list
> simply visit here, select the JStreet Users list and sign up:
>
> http://www.sumatra.nl:81/guest/RemoteAvailableLists
>
> If you have a copy of JSM on your system today you can
> click the icon to download version pvk.7 dated august 31.
> The file name is inno7.zip.  Download this file directly
> into your JSM directory then rename your current innoval.jar
> file innoval-old.jar and rename the inno7.zip to innoval.jar.
> When you start JSM this new innoval.jar will unzip itself and
> update all the necessary files.  Very ingenious.  You'll find
> JSM really fast now with some new features and graphics
> and much more to come.
>
> The JSM community owes many kudos and special thanks
> primarily to Paul vanKeep as well as to his newest team
> member, Mike Bowler, for their fine work.  JSM continues
> to be the leader in Java emailers.
>
> Tim Martin
> The OS/2 Guy
> Warp City
> http://warpcity.com
> "E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"
>
> P.S.  If you're not a registered owner of J Street Mailer you can
> become one very easily.  Dan Porter of InnoVal Systems has
> released JSM for free.  Download your copy from here:
> http://st6.yahoo.com/lib/innoval.jstreet.zip
>
> and use the free registration code of:  38604851 to activate
> your own copy of JSM.  Download the upgrade above to
> upgrade it to the most current release.
>

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to [e-mail] will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: Colin Haynes                                      08-Sep-99 13:10:22
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 14:43:01
Subj: Re: PCMCIA on a Dell Latitude CPi D233ST Laptop

From: Colin Haynes

Last try from me.

Have you tried the PLAYWILL.EXE from the following URL:-

http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/FBEDE2987F184EC18625668A006BEFD6.
html

It's subtly different from the Thinkpad PCMCIA stuff which is at:-

http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/YAST-3MDRYE.html

I have used the SS2INTEL.SYS which I believe you have (beta 3 and 4
work for me).

Sorry I can help no further.

Colin Haynes
Norwich Union
UK



On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 22:51:26 -0700, Randy Petersen
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>I'd like to add some URGENCY to this message!
>
>Within 1 month I'll have to give up my desktop system at work which is
>currently running Warp 3 Connect @ FP26.  This has been my system since
>OS/2 v2.1 was released.  I will either have to migrate all my stuff over
>to the Dell Laptop on Warp 4, or I will have to succumb to the Corporate
>STD-WIN '98.  To migate from Warp Connect on the desktop to Warp 4 on the
>laptop, I MUST get PCMCIA Card & Socket services working to allow me to
>use the PCMCIA ethernet and PCMCIA modem cards.
>
>PCMCIA CARDS:
>   1) Linksys Combo (not really) PCMCIA Ethernet Card (Model: EC2T)
>   2) 3Com Megahertz 56K Global Modem PC Card (Model: 3CCM156)
>   3) Adaptec SlimSCSI APA-1460A (Part#:997400)
>
>==============================================================================
===
>I've spent a couple weeks trying to get IBM Card & Socket services going.
>Warp 4 GA PCMCIA support, updated to FP9, then FP11.  Also tried the much
>touted IBM PC Card Director for the thinkpad 765 per Dr Martinus NoteBook/2
>Website below:
>
><A HREF="http://www.os2ss.com/users/DrMartinus/">
>
>
>Does anyone have any PCMCIA cards running on Warp (4) on the "exact-same"
laptop?
> What is the name/date/size/version of your Card & Socket services drivers?
> What's the magic incantation you use?  Do you use reserve.sys? and if so,
what?
>
>
>The laptop in question uses the TI PCI-1131 CardBus controller.  My Dell
Latitude
>CPi D233ST laptop has Bios vA03 and I cannot find earlier/later versions at
Dell.
>
>I am considering the TouchStone driver, but there is CO$TLY support attached
>at US $1082/day or US $216/hr.
>
><A HREF="http://www.os2ss.com/users/DrMartinus/TouchStoneCardWareDriver.htm">
>
>
>Thanks in advance for any help,
>Randy Petersen <[e-mail]>
>Warp 4 engaged.
>
>/*----------------------------------------------------------------------*
>  Posted with MR/2 ICE v1.51 (#10203) courtesy of In-Joy Pro on OS/2
>  Please also email replies to: Randy Petersen <[e-mail]>
>*----------------------------------------------------------------------*/

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From: [e-mail]                              08-Sep-99 08:58:11
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 14:43:01
Subj: Re: PCMCIA on a Dell Latitude CPi D233ST Laptop

From: [e-mail]

In <37d5f98c$2$ecrgrefr$[e-mail]>, on 09/07/99 at 10:51
PM,
   Randy Petersen <[e-mail]> said:

>The laptop in question uses the TI PCI-1131 CardBus controller.  My Dell
>Latitude  CPi D233ST laptop has Bios vA03 and I cannot find earlier/later
>versions at Dell.

I am running OS/2 Warp 4 with FixPak 6 on a Fujitsu LifeBook 530T. This
system uses the TI PCI-1130 CardBus controller.  I am using the
SS2PCIC2.SYS from IBM dated 1997/06/16 11:01 with no problems.  IBM has
also released newer support in February as PlayWill, but I have NOT
installed this yet.  The PlayWill version asks if you are running a
Chembook 2600 or a Toshiba Tecra 510CDT.  As mine is neither and I have
yet to receive an answer from IBM which one is appropriate for my system I
have declined to install this version.

If the 1131 is backward compatible with the 1130 I would expect this
driver to work for your system.  The only PCMCIA card I am using is a 3COM
Etherlink III card which works fine.  I had tried a Xircom one, but took
it back when I found out that their OS/2 drivers DID NOT use OS/2 socket
services and thus would not properly deal with suspend mode or card
changes.

Visiting the IBM Device Driver Pak online shous Dell Latitude CP to use
the PlayWill drivers that I have not yet installed, so I suspect this
should work for you.  If you can't find the SS2PCIC2 driver I can e-mail
you a copy.

-- Dave
-----------------------------------------------------------
dhdurgee<at>digizen<dot>net
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: [e-mail]                     08-Sep-99 13:32:27
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 14:43:01
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies - COMMIT

From: [e-mail] (Frank McKenney)

In <7r26kt$r87$[e-mail]>, Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser
<[e-mail]> writes:
--snip--
>If you never manually delete either the CSF Archive
>or the CSF Backup, you will be able to back out to
>your choice of to the Backup or to the Archive.
>
>---> UNTIL YOU DO A COMMIT <---
>
>Until you do a COMMIT, you can back out to either
>level.  As soon as you do a COMMIT, you can't back
>out to anything.  You're at the level you want to be
>at.  Period.  That's what COMMIT means, not just in
>this context, but in a general non-computer context
>as well.  Doing a COMMIT deletes the Backup & gives
>Fix Tool amnesia about the Archive.
--snip--

WW,

I'm joining this thread a little late, but what you're saying here seems
to contradict my own understanding of the COMMIT process.

  - With no FixPaks applied, one is at the product's (OS/2's) Base Level
    of Service. COMMIT is irrelevant(*).

  - With one FixPak applied (and assuming one follows the rules and
    doesn't delete one's Archive directory (;-)), one can live with
    one's current system, one can BACKOUT to the ARCHIVE level, or one
    can perform a complete reinstall. The latter is "logically"
    equivalent to the BACKOUT in terms of OS/2 components, but typically
    involves a _lot_ more work (e.g.  app reinstalls and tweaking (;-)).
    COMMIT is irrelevant here, but that makes sense, since it would be a
    no-op ("Merge the contents of the nonexistent backup directory into
    the Archive directory").

  - With more than one FixPak applied, it gets a little more complex.
    Say I install XR_M001 (creating an archive directory for the Warp4
    product), then, without COMMITting, apply XR_M008 (creating a
    "backup").  I now have four choices:  I can live with the current
    system (at FP08 level), I can BACKOUT to the BACKUP level (put
    myself back to XR_M001 level of service), I can BACKOUT to the
    ARCHIVE level (taking me back to the Base Level of Service), or I
    can reinstall.

  - If I subsequently COMMIT to XR_M008, then the contents of my backup
    and archive are merged, that is, the archive directory contains
    the originals of those files which were changed by XR_M001 or
    XR_M008. I'm back to three choices: live with my current system,
    revert back to Base Level (e.g. the files in my archive directory),
    or re-install (Ack! Phht!).

The concept (as I understood it many moons ago) is that it "should"
always be possible - as long as one plays by "the rules" - to revert
back to the Base Level of Service. Once one has done this, one can
(re-)apply FixPaks and (re-)create new archives and backups.

I admit I've been a little out of things; has this changed recently?


Frank McKenney

--

(*) And irrelevant never forgets! (Marx, G.)

Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / [phone]
E-mail: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                             08-Sep-99 06:36:23
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 14:43:01
Subj: Re: NS/2 4.04 is driving me crazy!

From: [e-mail]

In <L8W8d0hqkiHX-pn2-6cpvPbVJ1r4L@localhost>, on 09/08/99
   at 09:22 AM, glennth@<nospam>senet.com.au (Glenn Thompson) said:

>Well that's one problem down, does anyone besides me find Netscape
>4.04 crashes after initiating a download from a website ?

You're  not alone with problems with 4.04. It crashes for me on many
different web sites and it has problems completing a download, not
necessarily crashing, but just quitting in the middle of a download
and telling me "Document done" when it is only half done. For
reliability I use 2.02 which has never crashed on me or failed to
complete a download, but unfortunately does not support newer
JavaScript versions which many web sites are using. I would love to
see a JavaScript update to 2.02 instead of all the time and effort
that is being expended on 4.61.

The 4.61 betas have been giving me similar problems to the 4.04
version, but I am encouraged that they are paying attention to the
bug reports that I have been submitting. Perhaps they will
eventually get it right. When all a person wants or needs is just a
good, reliable browser, it is a real burden to have to put up with
all the other so-called "goodies" that come bundled with an
overblown product like Communicator. It is way too much of a good
thing for my purposes. I hope that in the final product there will
be a way to simply install the browser portion and ignore the rest
of the bloat.


--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Bob Stephan [e-mail] or [e-mail]
  Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast.
   http://www.redshift.com/~bstephan
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: [e-mail]                               08-Sep-99 08:25:19
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 20:57:22
Subj: Re: JStreet Mailer: Who, What, Where & How

From: Tim Martin <[e-mail]>

Stan Goodman wrote:

> I tried to subscribe to this list as soon as I saw Tim's posting. Two
> minutes later, I received a note from the list asking that I confirm the
> subscription. Two minutes after that, it turned out that the reason the
> list needed this confirmation was so that it could inform me that the list
> already had its maximum permissible number of subscribers. Way to go,
> fellas.

I know there was some discussion of resticting the mail list
for various reasons.  Do not feel slighted or angry because
you can't get on.  There is a purpose to all the madness.

The developers may want to keep the number of subscribers
on a manageable level.  As a web master who also restricts the
number of members who have access to our services (free
tech support) it is very difficult to make everyone happy or
to meet all the requests for help that come in.  I can sometimes
get so bogged down from 'help me' requests that the Warp City
site suffers, updates cannot be accomplished, other members
requests cannot be fulfilled.  And as with all free things, there are
those who need a lot of step-by-step hand holding or personalized
assistance.  All of that is time consuming and takes focus away
from the JSM updating work.  The JStreet Band developers are releasing
updates that are considered solid Betas.  You know people, the
minute an update causes a problem some folks go completely
berserk and trash the work, flame the developers and end up
generating a bunch of negativity.  Always save your previous
updates and simply backlevel when you find the latest update
causes a problem.

Paul vanKamp released update 8 today adding in a few new 'gizmos'.
The speed of JSM is now superior to anything I've seen.

> I can only hope that some of the kind successful subscribers will post here
> (and maybe even on comp.os.os2.mail-news) some of the more trenchant
> information from the list, so that even those outside the select circle may
> profit.

My focus is Warp City members and I run as much new JSM
information as I can to keep members updated on new releases
and features.  Perhaps a JSM user outside of WC can post
updated information here too.

> According to Tim's message, I could have downloaded the new version to
> replace my registered version by clicking on "the icon". Has anybody
> discovered this icon? I saw nothing that looked like a download link or an
> icon that might work as advertized.

To download the latest update (which I left out of my previous message)
you can do so from: http://paul.vanKeep.com/jstreet/index.html.

>
>
> On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 06:05:33, Tim Martin <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Rhys Dow wrote:
> >
> > > Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
> >
> > > > This is good to hear.  I think the method for joining
> > > > this list is of sufficient general interest that a
> > > > public request rather than a private E-mail is more
> > > > appropriate.  This is a public request.
> > > >
> > > I'm afraid I can't help you there, I signed off quite a while ago, and
> > > don't have any old addresses.  Hopefully someone on the list will
> > > reply.  I imagine Tim Martin knows!  :o
> >
> > Yes, of course.  J Street Mailer is now under new development by
> > the J Street Band (of programmers) headed by Paul vanKeep of
> > Sumatra Software and Mike Bowler.  You would be amazed at what
> > these two extremely competent Java programmers have accomplished
> > in just a very short period of time.  To join the current mailing list
> > simply visit here, select the JStreet Users list and sign up:
> >
> > http://www.sumatra.nl:81/guest/RemoteAvailableLists
> >
> > If you have a copy of JSM on your system today you can
> > click the icon to download version pvk.7 dated august 31.
> > The file name is inno7.zip.  Download this file directly
> > into your JSM directory then rename your current innoval.jar
> > file innoval-old.jar and rename the inno7.zip to innoval.jar.
> > When you start JSM this new innoval.jar will unzip itself and
> > update all the necessary files.  Very ingenious.  You'll find
> > JSM really fast now with some new features and graphics
> > and much more to come.
> >
> > The JSM community owes many kudos and special thanks
> > primarily to Paul vanKeep as well as to his newest team
> > member, Mike Bowler, for their fine work.  JSM continues
> > to be the leader in Java emailers.
> >
> > Tim Martin
> > The OS/2 Guy
> > Warp City
> > http://warpcity.com
> > "E-ride the wild surf to Warp City!"
> >
> > P.S.  If you're not a registered owner of J Street Mailer you can
> > become one very easily.  Dan Porter of InnoVal Systems has
> > released JSM for free.  Download your copy from here:
> > http://st6.yahoo.com/lib/innoval.jstreet.zip
> >
> > and use the free registration code of:  38604851 to activate
> > your own copy of JSM.  Download the upgrade above to
> > upgrade it to the most current release.
> >
>
> -------------
> Stan Goodman
> Qiryat Tiv'on
> Israel
>
> Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to [e-mail] will not reach
> me. Sorry.
> Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.
>
> 




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From: [e-mail]                                   08-Sep-99 11:34:24
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 20:57:22
Subj: Do you know if MacAfee corrected OS2SCAN.EXE 4.02 longname bug?

From: Juan I. Cahis <[e-mail]>

Dear Friends:

Do you know if MacAfee corrected OS2SCAN.EXE 4.02 longname bug?


Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Email: [e-mail] [e-mail]
To send me Email, please remove ".nospam" from my Email address
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!

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From: [e-mail]                               08-Sep-99 11:53:24
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 20:57:23
Subj: Re: Netscape Requires MPTS

From: Brad BARCLAY <[e-mail]>

Mikus Grinbergs wrote:
> I question what kind of a house of cards is being built here.
> Suppose somebody wanted to install Java 1.1.8.  To do so, they
> would need Feature Install.  The only documented way to run
> Feature Install needs Netscape.

    Actually, the unattended installation for all Feature Installer
packages from IBM is fully documented, and doesn't require Netscape to
be installed.  Check the README that comes with the package you wish to
install for information on how to use the unattended installation mode.

Brad BARCLAY

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Posted from the OS/2 WARP v5 desktop of Brad BARCLAY.
E-Mail:  [e-mail]        Location:  2G43D@Torolabs

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From: [e-mail]                              08-Sep-99 09:04:08
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 20:57:23
Subj: Re: Visualage C++ and Warp4F11

From: James Stotz <[e-mail]>

What, in particular, does this autofail.  I always get message from the
drives icon on the warpcentre saying there's nothing in a:.  Does this
work for this too?  I hope it doesn't autofail other "important"
message?

Cheers,

James

Roman Stangl wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]>,
>  on Tue, 07 Sep 1999 17:53:04 -0400,
>  alex <alex> writes:
> >Same problem here on VA3.0 or 4.0
> >SCSI ZIP disk must be in before any compile
> >
>
> Or add AUTOFAIL=YES to your CONFIG.SYS (which solved that problem
> for my MO-drive, it was introduced by the removable media
> support)
>
> Roman

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From: [e-mail]                                    08-Sep-99 16:05:24
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 20:57:23
Subj: Re: JStreet Mailer: Who, What, Where & How

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <[e-mail]>

In article <yHQxxE9f8dqd-pn2-NGwY76L5gvi6@POBLANO>,
  [e-mail] (Stan Goodman) wrote:
> I tried to subscribe to this list as soon as I saw
Tim's posting. Two
> minutes later, I received a note from the list
asking that I confirm the
> subscription. Two minutes after that, it turned out
that the reason the
> list needed this confirmation was so that it could
inform me that the list
> already had its maximum permissible number of
subscribers. Way to go,
> fellas.

Same here.

> According to Tim's message, I could have downloaded
the new version to
> replace my registered version by clicking on "the
icon". Has anybody
> discovered this icon? I saw nothing that looked
like a download link or an
> icon that might work as advertized.
> On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 06:05:33, Tim Martin
<[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Rhys Dow wrote:
> > > Bill Wild Willy Kredentser wrote:
> > > > Chuck McKinnis wrote:

I visited http://paul.vankeep.com and got nothing,
just a text string saying it's his home page.  Then I
visited http://paul.vankeep.com/jstreet and got the
simple response FORBIDDEN.  I read a couple more
posts & tried again.  This time, Paul's home page
came up with the picture of himself linking to a page
dealing with some presentations he made at some Java
conference.  And as of a few minutes ago, the
../jstreet page is there, showing a pvk8 with a post
date of TODAY!  I must have been trying to access his
site while he was updating it.  So my story is that I
am the first person in the world to download the new
pvk8 from Paul's site & I'm sticking to it!  <:-))

I can't comment on this version yet since the
download is progressing -- actually, it's stalling --
in background as I compose this post.  I happen to
have a number of browser windows open & despite my
application of XR_1404, the file download stalls when
any browser window has focus.  Sorry.  Couldn't
resist flogging this horse yet one more time.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


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From: [e-mail]                                    08-Sep-99 16:29:16
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 20:57:23
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies - COMMIT

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <[e-mail]>

In article <7r5oi7$b2a$[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] wrote:
> In <7r26kt$r87$[e-mail]>, Bill "Wild Willy"
Kredentser <[e-mail]> writes:
        <<<snip>>>
>   - If I subsequently COMMIT to XR_M008, then the
contents of my backup
>     and archive are merged

I was using this same wording when Irv Spalten
himself posted to correct me.  Hunt back a bit in
this thread & you'll find what he said.

        <<<snip>>>
> I admit I've been a little out of things; has this
changed recently?

I don't know if it's changed.  It seems I've been
laboring under a misconception all along, just
pushing the buttons without completely understanding
what magic was going on under the covers on my
behalf.  My understanding was something like yours,
but like I said, Irv has set me straight in the past
few days.

But it is good to see you posting again, Frank.
Welcome back!

WW
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From: [e-mail]                                  08-Sep-99 16:28:16
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 20:57:23
Subj: Re: JStreet Mailer: Who, What, Where & How

From: [e-mail] (Stan Goodman)

On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:07:58, [e-mail] (Stan Goodman) wrote:

> I tried to subscribe to this list as soon as I saw Tim's posting. Two
> minutes later, I received a note from the list asking that I confirm the
> subscription. Two minutes after that, it turned out that the reason the
> list needed this confirmation was so that it could inform me that the list
> already had its maximum permissible number of subscribers. Way to go,
> fellas

Tim Martin was good enough to tell me the REAL address at which to get this
update (the Unofficial JStreet Users Page):

http://paul.vankeep.com/jstreet

and I have downloaded the new JAR file and installed it. The Webpage asks
that one send email to the JStreet List to report on one's impressions.
Because the list refused to subscribe me (because it says it is full), I
guess I should report here that it looks very good, and I hope the new
developers will keep up the good work.

-------------
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to [e-mail] will not reach
me. Sorry.
Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.



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From: [e-mail]                                    08-Sep-99 16:42:29
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 20:57:23
Subj: Re: Fixpacks for Dummies - COMMIT

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <[e-mail]>

In article <7r5oi7$b2a$[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] wrote:
> In <7r26kt$r87$[e-mail]>, Bill "Wild Willy"
Kredentser <[e-mail]> writes:
        <<<snip>>>
>   - With no FixPaks applied, one is at the
product's (OS/2's) Base Level
>     of Service. COMMIT is irrelevant(*).
        <<<snip>>>
> (*) And irrelevant never forgets! (Marx, G.)

And in Alabama, the Tuscaloosa.

WW
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From: [e-mail]                                    08-Sep-99 19:01:11
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 20:57:23
Subj: Still cannot install Java 1.1.8

From: [e-mail] (Cheng-Yang Tan)

Hi all,
    I'm just wondering whether anyone who have had trouble installing Java 1.1.8
have
found the cure to the problem. I have two OS/2 machines and both cannot
install this version of Java. Both machines are at Warp4 FP11 and maybe there
is a problem with
my version of Rexx on both machines because when I run precheck.cmd (which
comes
with the distribution) I get:



    21 +++   bootdrive = RexxInstResolveVariables(objectid, '{BootDrive}', 0);
REX0040: Error 40 running D:\tmp\ja\precheck.cmd, line 21: Incorrect call to
routine


When I replace all occurrences of "bootdrive" with my boot drive, I can get a
little
further:

SYS1041: The name 1 is not recognized as an
internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
    23 *-*   ReadSysLevel('e:\os2\install\syslevel.os2');
       +++     RC(1041)
    87 +++   InstalledVersion = RexxInstResolveVariables(objectid,
'{INV_Runtime
:VersionNumber}', 0);
REX0040: Error 40 running D:\tmp\ja\precheck.cmd, line 87: Incorrect call to
routine



I believe the source of all the problems is at the top of the precheck.cmd
file which
requires the loading of some external library:

/* rexx */

/* Load external FI API
*/

call RxFuncAdd 'RexxInstSetVariable', 'WPINSTAL', 'RexxInstSetVariable'
call RxFuncAdd 'RexxInstResolveVariables', 'WPINSTAL',
'RexxInstResolveVariables'
call RxFuncAdd 'RexxInstDeselect', 'WPINSTAL', 'RexxInstDeselect'
call RxFuncAdd 'RexxInstSelect', 'WPINSTAL', 'RexxInstSelect'



Can someone tell me
   (1) where the "external FI API" lives in and its file size.

   (2) where the REXX libs are and their filesize. I believe that ReadSysLevel
    is in the REXX API and since it doesn't even recognize its own commands,
       there must be something wrong!

Thanks!

Cheng-Yang Tan

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From: [e-mail]                               08-Sep-99 14:22:22
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 03:51:07
Subj: Re: JStreet Mailer: Who, What, Where & How

From: Tim Martin <[e-mail]>

Stan Goodman wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:07:58, [e-mail] (Stan Goodman) wrote:
>
> > I tried to subscribe to this list as soon as I saw Tim's posting. Two
> > minutes later, I received a note from the list asking that I confirm the
> > subscription. Two minutes after that, it turned out that the reason the
> > list needed this confirmation was so that it could inform me that the list
> > already had its maximum permissible number of subscribers. Way to go,
> > fellas
>
> Tim Martin was good enough to tell me the REAL address at which to get this
> update (the Unofficial JStreet Users Page):
>
> http://paul.vankeep.com/jstreet

The 'real' url was offered in the post to which I responded.

> and I have downloaded the new JAR file and installed it. The Webpage asks
> that one send email to the JStreet List to report on one's impressions.
> Because the list refused to subscribe me (because it says it is full), I
> guess I should report here that it looks very good, and I hope the new
> developers will keep up the good work.

I was hoping my information was helping the OS/2 user.
In the future I'll limit such information to Warp City members.

> -------------
> Stan Goodman
> Qiryat Tiv'on
> Israel
>
> Spammers are getting smarter; email sent to [e-mail] will not reach
> me. Sorry.
> Send E-mail to: domain: hashkedim dot com, username: stan.
>
> 




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From: [e-mail]                                    08-Sep-99 22:49:12
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 05:38:01
Subj: Re: Netscape Requires MPTS

From: [e-mail] (Bob Eager)

On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 02:09:54, [e-mail] (Mikus Grinbergs) wrote:

> The only documented way to run
> Feature Install needs Netscape.

What about the documented CID install method for FI?


--
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: [e-mail]                                  08-Sep-99 19:00:06
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 05:38:02
Subj: Re: JFS Driver Install Problem

From: Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>

Hope you were trying to install it on Warp Server for e-Business.

"David D. Huff Jr." wrote:
>
> I downloaded the 08/30/1999 JFS.IFS driver from IBM but
> when I install it other device drivers hang and the system
> refuses to boot. I've tried to REM all the conflicting drivers
> to get it to boot. But I can't REM essential drivers just to use
> the new JFS.IFS.
> Any suggestions are appreciated.
> Thanks in advance

--
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: [e-mail]                                  08-Sep-99 19:01:16
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 05:38:02
Subj: Re: FP11 and the little archive bit problem in directory entries

From: Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>

The quick and dirty Rexx routine had a couple of quick and dirty coding
errors.  Think all is well now if you go to
http://www.os2ss.com/users/mckinnis

Randy Petersen wrote:
>
> Chuck, If you run 'dirfix all test' it doesn't pickup HPFS formatted drives.
>
> /*----------------------------------------------------------------------*
>   Posted with MR/2 ICE v1.51 (#10203) courtesy of In-Joy Pro on OS/2
>   Please also email replies to: Randy Petersen <[e-mail]>
>   Now Very Happily Warping along with Warp 3.0 Connect at fixpack #40.
>   SPAMMERS don't bother me, I direct them to the void at /dev/nul.
> *----------------------------------------------------------------------*/
>
> In <[e-mail]>, on 09/06/99
>    at 11:30 AM, Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]> said:
>
> >Sorry, had a minor problem parsing the argument in dirfix.
>
> /*
> dirfix.cmd - reset archive attribute on directories
> Copyright 1999 by Chuck McKinnis,  Sandia Park, NM (USA)
> [e-mail]
> */
>
> Trace 'N'
>
> Parse Upper Arg drives test .
>
> If drives = 'TEST' Then
>    Parse Upper Arg test drives .
>
> If Abbrev(test, 'TEST') Then
>    test = 1
> Else
>    test = 0
>
> If drives = '' Then
>    Do
>       Say 'Report on and reset directory entries'
>       Say '   that have the archive bit set on'
>       Say ''
>       Say 'Usage - dirfix x: | all [test]'
>       Say '   test - just report the findings'
>       Return
>    End
>
> Call Setup
>
> If drives = 'ALL' Then
>    drives = SysDriveMap(, 'LOCAL')
> Else
>    If Lastpos(':', drives) <> Length(drives) Then
>       drives = drives || ':'
>
> tst_attrib = '++***'
> chg_attrib = '-****'
>
> if test Then
>    chg_attrib = '*****'
>
> Do i = 1 To Words(drives)
>    Parse Value SysDriveInfo(Word(drives, i)) With drive free total .
>    If free = total | free = '' | free = 0 Then
>       Iterate i
>    drive = drive || '\'
>    rc = SysFileTree(drive, 'dirs.', 'DSO', tst_attrib, chg_attrib)
>    If dirs.0 > 0 Then
>       Do i = 1 To dirs.0
>          Say 'Archive bit set on in' dirs.i
>       End
>    Else
>       Say 'No archive bits found set in directories on' drive
>    If \test Then
>       Do
>          If dirs.0 = 1 Then
>             Say dirs.0 'directory cleared on' drive
>          Else
>             Say dirs.0 'directories cleared on' drive
>       End
> End
> Call Cleanup
> Return
>
> Cleanup:
>  Procedure Expose sysfuncs.
>  Do i = 1 To sysfuncs.0
>     If sysfuncs.i <> '' Then
>        Call RxFuncDrop(sysfuncs.i)
>  End
>  Return
>
> Setup:
>  Procedure Expose sysfuncs.
>  sysfuncs.1 = 'SysFileTree'
>  sysfuncs.2 = 'SysDriveMap'
>  sysfuncs.3 = 'SysDriveInfo'
>  sysfuncs.0 = 3
>  Do i = 1 To sysfuncs.0
>     If RxFuncQuery(sysfuncs.i) Then
>        Call RxFuncAdd sysfuncs.i, 'RexxUtil', sysfuncs.i
>     Else
>        sysfuncs.i = ''
>  End
>  Return

--
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: [e-mail]                    09-Sep-99 01:06:22
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 05:38:02
Subj: PCMCIA on Dell Inspiron: 3Com modem problems

From: "Matthew@psych" <[e-mail]>

I have installed the playwll drivers, and the modem card is recognized,
but I can't get the irq/io etc to work yet.  In other words, the com.sys
and the modem aren't handshaking properly. No action.

Any help here is appreciated. I tried com1,2,3, and irqs 3,4,5. I've used
rmview, but I don't know how to tell the pc card to use the correct
com/irq/io .

MS

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From: [e-mail]                            08-Sep-99 19:12:05
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 10:27:18
Subj: Re: PCMCIA on a Dell Latitude CPi D233ST Laptop

From: Randy Petersen <[e-mail]>

In <37d661d3$1$quqhetrr$[e-mail]>, on 09/08/99
   at 08:58 AM, [e-mail] said:

>In <37d5f98c$2$ecrgrefr$[e-mail]>, on 09/07/99 at 10:51PM,
>   Randy Petersen <[e-mail]> said:

>>The laptop in question uses the TI PCI-1131 CardBus controller.  My Dell
>>Latitude  CPi D233ST laptop has Bios vA03 and I cannot find earlier/later
>>versions at Dell.

>I am running OS/2 Warp 4 with FixPak 6 on a Fujitsu LifeBook 530T. This
>system uses the TI PCI-1130 CardBus controller.  I am using the
>SS2PCIC2.SYS from IBM dated 1997/06/16 11:01 with no problems.  IBM has
>also released newer support in February as PlayWill, but I have NOT
>installed this yet.  The PlayWill version asks if you are running a
>Chembook 2600 or a Toshiba Tecra 510CDT.  As mine is neither and I have
>yet to receive an answer from IBM which one is appropriate for my system I
>have declined to install this version.

>If the 1131 is backward compatible with the 1130 I would expect this
>driver to work for your system.  The only PCMCIA card I am using is a 3COM
>Etherlink III card which works fine.  I had tried a Xircom one, but took
>it back when I found out that their OS/2 drivers DID NOT use OS/2 socket
>services and thus would not properly deal with suspend mode or card
>changes.

>Visiting the IBM Device Driver Pak online shous Dell Latitude CP to use
>the PlayWill drivers that I have not yet installed, so I suspect this
>should work for you.  If you can't find the SS2PCIC2 driver I can e-mail
>you a copy.

>-- Dave
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>dhdurgee<at>digizen<dot>net
>-----------------------------------------------------------

Here are the drivers and the relevant hex-dump of each I've used.

          SS2PCIC2.SYS   19,543 .a..    7-17-1998 20:12:30
Comments: Locks up cold on bootup load of this socket services driver.
HEX-DUMP:-----------------------------------------------------------------
000003C0  úúIBM OS/2 PCMCIA Socket Services Device Driver, Version 1.36úúP
00000400  CMCIA Socket Services Release 2.1úúCopyright 1993,1995 IBM Corp.
00000440  úúAll rights reserved.úúúIBM Socket Service for Intel 82365SL co
00000480  mpatible: Internal Revision 0.36.36úúúúú6úúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúú·
__________________________________________________________________________


          ibm2ss14.sys   16,167 .a..    9-28-1998  2:07:00
Comments: Loads but doesn't show cards inserted/removed
HEX-DUMP:-----------------------------------------------------------------
00000340  úúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúIBM OS/2 Socket Services Device Dr
00000380  iver, Version 2.07úúPC Card standardúúCopyright 1998 IBM Corp.ú·
000003C0  All rights reserved.úúúIBM Socket Service for ThinkPad Series (P
__________________________________________________________________________


          ibm2ss14.sys   29,069 .a..    1-06-1999 10:57:36
Comments: Loads and show cards inserted/removed but doesn't work.
          Locks up cold (only power switch gets out of it) when ndis2 driver
          for Ethernet card is loaded or when AUTODRV.SYS tries to configure
          Modem card at boot if cards installed.  Otherwise locks cold or
          gives TRAP 2 when cards are inserted after booting.
HEX-DUMP:-----------------------------------------------------------------
000000C0  úúúúaúúúúúm4@ún4'úúúPúúúúIBM2SS14úúúúúúú?ú"úúú?úúúúú3@#IBM:10.01
00000100  1#@ PCCard IBM2SS14 Chip Driver for OS/2úúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúú·
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From: [e-mail]                                   08-Sep-99 22:31:18
  To: [e-mail], @, worldnet.att..               09-Sep-99 12:44:11
Subj: Re: NS/2 4.04 is driving me crazy!

To: [e-mail], @, [e-mail]
From: Norton Boothe <[e-mail]>

Thanks for the tip. It looks as if the fix is for the 40bit version. Maybe it
works
for the US version but I am not sure.

Raphael Tennenbaum wrote:

> Norton Boothe <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >I have seen the same thing but not that frequently. I think it might be
related
> >to cache cleanup (removing xxx files) but not sure.
> >
> >A worse problem with 4.04 is the long time (over 5 minutes) it takes to
exit it.
> >I can't even shut down until this program puts itself to bed. I have
truncated
> >the history list, cache, etc but nothing speeds it up. Any ideas, anyone?
> >
>
> The update helps with this problem -- a lot -- still the
> occasional hang after exiting, but much much better than
> before, and it fixes other problems as well (here, anyway).
>
> ftp.software.ibm.com in the
>
> /ps/products/netscape/fixes/a_universal
>
> directory.
>
> --
> Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
> readme@ http://www.ray-field.com



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From: [e-mail]                                  08-Sep-99 19:00:23
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 12:44:12
Subj: Re: JStreet Mailer: Who, What, Where & How

From: Tony Wright <[e-mail]>

Tim Martin wrote:

> Stan Goodman wrote:
>
> > I tried to subscribe to this list as soon as I saw Tim's posting. Two
> > minutes later, I received a note from the list asking that I confirm the
> > subscription. Two minutes after that, it turned out that the reason the
> > list needed this confirmation was so that it could inform me that the list
> > already had its maximum permissible number of subscribers. Way to go,
> > fellas.
>
> I know there was some discussion of resticting the mail list
> for various reasons.  Do not feel slighted or angry because
> you can't get on.  There is a purpose to all the madness.
>
> The developers may want to keep the number of subscribers
> on a manageable level.  As a web master who also restricts the
> number of members who have access to our services (free
> tech support) it is very difficult to make everyone happy or
> to meet all the requests for help that come in.  I can sometimes
> get so bogged down from 'help me' requests that the Warp City
> site suffers, updates cannot be accomplished, other members
> requests cannot be fulfilled.  And as with all free things, there are
> those who need a lot of step-by-step hand holding or personalized
> assistance.  All of that is time consuming and takes focus away
> from the JSM updating work.  The JStreet Band developers are releasing
> updates that are considered solid Betas.  You know people, the
> minute an update causes a problem some folks go completely
> berserk and trash the work, flame the developers and end up
> generating a bunch of negativity.

What a nice,courteous and thoughtful reply for a change......A real
pleasure to read.......

Of course if a certain other ISV had been developing JStreet mailer then
perhaps one might be excused for expecting someone in particular to go
*berserk* with some very *negative* *flames* in an attempt to *trash*
their efforts? Strange 'ol world........

...but do PLEASE keep up the *CONSTRUCTIVE* work....

--
Rgds Tony W   Email: [e-mail]

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"


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From: [e-mail]                                   09-Sep-99 11:39:10
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 15:49:21
Subj: Re: Still cannot install Java 1.1.8

From: Meinolf Sondermann <[e-mail]>

Hello  Cheng-Yang Tan

the second argument to RxFuncAdd names the DLL to call for the API.
Mine is as follows :

  C:\OS2\DLL\WPINSTAL.DLL
     Size: 27885 Byte
     EAS: 0 Bytes
     Date: 20. Oct 1998 5.31 pm

ReadSysLevel is a subroutine within precheck.cmd which parses an syslevel-file
given as argument. The subroutine is the last about 50 lines of this
command-file.

If you run precheck.cmd from command prompt, you have to give it two arguments
:
 "objectid"  and "userexitpath".
These are variables in precheck.cmd. I don't know which values to use for
either one.


I think the problem is with WPINSTAL.DLL .
It may be either not found or the wrong version .
Errors are the same in both cases .

I suggest that you get the latest feature installer from IBM Software Choice
and install it prior to installing java.

Good luck
Meinolf

Cheng-Yang Tan wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>         I'm just wondering whether anyone who have had trouble installing
Java 1.1.8
> have
> found the cure to the problem. I have two OS/2 machines and both cannot
> install this version of Java. Both machines are at Warp4 FP11 and maybe
there
> is a problem with
> my version of Rexx on both machines because when I run precheck.cmd (which
> comes
> with the distribution) I get:
>
>     21 +++   bootdrive = RexxInstResolveVariables(objectid, '{BootDrive}',
0);
> REX0040: Error 40 running D:\tmp\ja\precheck.cmd, line 21: Incorrect call to
> routine
>
> When I replace all occurrences of "bootdrive" with my boot drive, I can get
a
> little
> further:
>
> SYS1041: The name 1 is not recognized as an
> internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
>     23 *-*   ReadSysLevel('e:\os2\install\syslevel.os2');
>        +++     RC(1041)
>     87 +++   InstalledVersion = RexxInstResolveVariables(objectid,
> '{INV_Runtime
> :VersionNumber}', 0);
> REX0040: Error 40 running D:\tmp\ja\precheck.cmd, line 87: Incorrect call to
> routine
>
> I believe the source of all the problems is at the top of the precheck.cmd
> file which
> requires the loading of some external library:
>
> /* rexx */
>
> /* Load external FI API
> */
>
> call RxFuncAdd 'RexxInstSetVariable', 'WPINSTAL', 'RexxInstSetVariable'
> call RxFuncAdd 'RexxInstResolveVariables', 'WPINSTAL',
> 'RexxInstResolveVariables'
> call RxFuncAdd 'RexxInstDeselect', 'WPINSTAL', 'RexxInstDeselect'
> call RxFuncAdd 'RexxInstSelect', 'WPINSTAL', 'RexxInstSelect'
>
> Can someone tell me
>    (1) where the "external FI API" lives in and its file size.
>
>    (2) where the REXX libs are and their filesize. I believe that
ReadSysLevel
>         is in the REXX API and since it doesn't even recognize its own
commands,
>        there must be something wrong!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cheng-Yang Tan


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From: [e-mail]                                   09-Sep-99 05:36:28
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 15:49:21
Subj: Re: JStreet Mailer: Who, What, Where & How

From: "Dale Curren" <[e-mail]>

On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 19:00:46 +0100, Tony Wright wrote:

Paul VanKeep just increased the number of members to 200.  Try again.

>> Stan Goodman wrote:
>>
>> > I tried to subscribe to this list as soon as I saw Tim's posting. Two
>> > minutes later, I received a note from the list asking that I confirm the
>> > subscription. Two minutes after that, it turned out that the reason the
>> > list needed this confirmation was so that it could inform me that the
list
>> > already had its maximum permissible number of subscribers. Way to go,
>> > fellas.



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From: [e-mail]                          09-Sep-99 14:24:14
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 15:49:21
Subj: Re: TouchStone PCMCIA driver ti1220 and 3com nic card

From: [e-mail]

Ok did that but still doesnb;t assign the 3com nic card a io address or
an IRQ.  The pcmcia controller and scokets them selves don't have io or
irq.  I have the touchstone software sspcic.sys, but I am having trouble
configuring it.  It seems to recognize the pcmcia sockets but will not
assign irq or io address.
  When the driver loads at boot it shows that it recognizes the ti
pci1220 , and says can't assign irq!!! CARDBUS.  Touchstone wants me to
ship the notebook to them for $200 an hour.  They are in germany..  I am
not that rich, so I am stuck.   PLEASE HELP ME!  Is there anyone who
knows the switches for sspcic.sys.

Thanks
Patrick



In article <[e-mail]>,
  "Clark Tompsett" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Use basedev=reserve.sys /mem=ca00,2000
> This must be the first line in the config.sys
>
> Clark.
>
> On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 14:37:22 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> :>I have the ti1220 on my dell insprion 7000.  I am trying o use a
3com
> :>3c589b nic card, but so far it will just show it as memory.  Can
anyone
> :>help me with the switches.  I also have invested serveral hours.
> :>I think I jsut need the correct switches.
> :>
> :>I have also played with the reserve.sys command.  No luck there
either.
> :>
> :>Thanks
> :>Patrick
> :>
> :>In article <37c4ce20$3$ecrgrefr$[e-mail]>,
> :>  Randy Petersen <[e-mail]> wrote:
> :>> In <gE9QtwxbB80C-pn2-YWpPtePbwJdX@localhost>, on 08/23/99
> :>>    at 10:35 AM, [e-mail] (Zamp) said:
> :>>
> :>> >Hi.
> :>>
> :>> >Still no way to work on my MITAC 6133 (TI1225) PCMCIA modem :(((
> :>> >Drivers correctly read during boot my chipset (TI1225) and IO
> :>address
> :>> >(3E0)
> :>> >but doesn't assign ANY memory address NOR any IRQ.
> :>> >Instead driver SS2INTEL.SYS assign memory address (D0000, lenght
> :>1000)
> :>> >according to rmview and/or Hardware Manager but doesn't assign
ANY
> :>IRQ
> :>> >and not see my modem.
> :>>
> :>> I think you need a modem card specific enabler.
> :>> IBM's PC Card Direcotr and PLAYWILL use a script to enable the
modem
> :>cards.
> :>> Not that it works for my modem card (it doesn't).
> :>>
> :>> How is their tech support?
> :>>
> :>> >I have lost many DAYS to try various configuration, but without
any
> :>> >success.
> :>>
> :>> >I'm desperate, i've paid 108DM for this driver :(((
> :>>
> :>> >PS: Someone have sent me SS2INTEL.SYS driver, but i doesn't
remember
> :>> >who is.
> :>>
> :>> If your socket services driver sees the cards inserted/removed,
then
> :>it's
> :>> most likely the correct driver to use.  You just need to get your
> :>specific
> :>> PCMCIA cards enabled (turned on/correct voltages/correct
> :>port,memory,irq,etc).
> :>>
> :>> >Thanks.
> :>>
> :>>
>
:>/*--------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> :>-*
> :>>   Posted with MR/2 ICE v1.51 (#10203) courtesy of In-Joy Pro on
OS/2
> :>>   Please also email replies to: Randy Petersen
> :><[e-mail]>
> :>>   Now Very Happily Warping along with Warp 3.0 Connect at fixpack
> :>#40.
> :>>   SPAMMERS don't bother me, I direct them to the void at /dev/nul.
> :>>
>
:>*---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> :>*/
> :>>
> :>
> :>
> :>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> :>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
>


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From: [e-mail]                                    09-Sep-99 15:59:18
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 17:03:10
Subj: Re: JStreet Mailer: Who, What, Where & How

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <[e-mail]>

In article
<[e-mail]
>,
  "Dale Curren" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 19:00:46 +0100, Tony Wright
wrote:
>
> Paul VanKeep just increased the number of members
to 200.  Try again.
>
> >> Stan Goodman wrote:

Confirmed.  It just let me subscribe.  Thanks.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


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From: [e-mail]                            09-Sep-99 17:55:25
  To: [e-mail]                            10-Sep-99 04:48:06
Subj: Re: PCMCIA on a Dell Latitude CPi D233ST Laptop

To: Randy Petersen <[e-mail]>
From: Tony Saucedo <[e-mail]>

Randy Petersen wrote:
>
> I'd like to add some URGENCY to this message!
>
> Within 1 month I'll have to give up my desktop system at work which is
> currently running Warp 3 Connect @ FP26.  This has been my system since
> OS/2 v2.1 was released.  I will either have to migrate all my stuff over
> to the Dell Laptop on Warp 4, or I will have to succumb to the Corporate
> STD-WIN '98.  To migate from Warp Connect on the desktop to Warp 4 on the
> laptop, I MUST get PCMCIA Card & Socket services working to allow me to
> use the PCMCIA ethernet and PCMCIA modem cards.
>
> PCMCIA CARDS:
>    1) Linksys Combo (not really) PCMCIA Ethernet Card (Model: EC2T)
>    2) 3Com Megahertz 56K Global Modem PC Card (Model: 3CCM156)
>    3) Adaptec SlimSCSI APA-1460A (Part#:997400)
>
>
===============================================================================
==
> I've spent a couple weeks trying to get IBM Card & Socket services going.
> Warp 4 GA PCMCIA support, updated to FP9, then FP11.  Also tried the much
> touted IBM PC Card Director for the thinkpad 765 per Dr Martinus NoteBook/2
> Website below:
>
> <A HREF="http://www.os2ss.com/users/DrMartinus/">
>
> Does anyone have any PCMCIA cards running on Warp (4) on the "exact-same"
laptop?
>  What is the name/date/size/version of your Card & Socket services drivers?
>  What's the magic incantation you use?  Do you use reserve.sys? and if so,
what?
>
> The laptop in question uses the TI PCI-1131 CardBus controller.  My Dell
Latitude
> CPi D233ST laptop has Bios vA03 and I cannot find earlier/later versions at
Dell.
>
> I am considering the TouchStone driver, but there is CO$TLY support attached
> at US $1082/day or US $216/hr.
>
> <A
HREF="http://www.os2ss.com/users/DrMartinus/TouchStoneCardWareDriver.htm">
>
> Thanks in advance for any help,
> Randy Petersen <[e-mail]>
> Warp 4 engaged.
>
> /*----------------------------------------------------------------------*
>   Posted with MR/2 ICE v1.51 (#10203) courtesy of In-Joy Pro on OS/2
>   Please also email replies to: Randy Petersen <[e-mail]>
> *----------------------------------------------------------------------*/

Not the exact same laptop, but according to
 ( http://support.dell.com/oti/systems/pmojav/Specs.htm )
... they are about the same.

I have a DELL CPi D266XT with TI PCI 1131 Cardbus controller
and it's running OS/2 Warp V4 (No fixpaks).

No "Reserve.sys" used.

PCMCIA Socket Services Driver used is = "SS2PCIC2.SYS".
"    "  "  Date is "6-16-97" (time stamp = 11:01a)
"    "  "  Size is "19381 bytes"
"    "  "  Rev. = 1.0 (Beta release)

I have a 3COM Ethernet PC Card (Model 3C589D) installed and
working perfectly fine.

     PC Card NIC: I/O=300, IRQ=10

For my modem I used PSION DACOM 56K+Fax Gold Card Multi-function
card. This also works great.

My setup under PCMCIA "Auto Configurator Utility/2"
is for "Selected Cards"
    Modem Card (3E8)
      Edit settings look like: I/O=0x3E8 IRQ=4 Com#=0xff
    Modem Card (3F8)
      Edit settings look like: I/O=0x3F8 IRQ=4 Com#=0xff

 ...the modem gets COM Port 3. with I/O=2F8, IRQ=3

Hope this helps.
If you like I can send you the SS2PCIC2.SYS I have.
Thanks.

--

                                      Tony,

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From: [e-mail]                                  10-Sep-99 05:02:19
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 04:48:07
Subj: Re: Seamless WinOS2 working again AT LAST!

From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>

This "problem" has been bothering me as well.  (3D Pro Turbo PC2TV) none of
the
"font fixes" mentioned have done much good for me. Historically, I can tell
you
that up to and including fix pack 7, I never had this problem, but with fixpak
8, 9, and 10 the problem was so frustrating that I "backed" out of each fix,
and
Win-OS2 "windowed" or "seamless" sessions returned  beautifly. I have also had
the same problem with any and all of the "Gradd" packages, but  as it pertains
to "Gradd" drivers, removing them and re installing the ATI drivers would NOT
fix the "seamless" problem, I ended up having to do a Complete BA/2 "disaster
restore to before the implementation of "Gradd" to recover seamless
functionality.

I am pretty certain that the problem  is caused as a result of a rather
convoluted process that starts when you first install the ATI OEM "enhanced"
drivers onto your "box stock" version of OS/2 v4.  During that install, you
get
several "popup" advisories that the ATI driver install is about to replace a
"newer version" of a file  with an older (non warp 4) version. As the ATI
instructions state, we "accept all defaults" during the enhanced driver
install,
and every thing seems O.K..  Somewhere around fix pak 8, IBM again started to
update this same file, and the automated nature of the Response file driven
fixpak application just rips this outdated, but precariously functional file
right out of our systems. But "backout" being the little gem that it is,
faithfully restores this file along with every thing else.  "Gradd" on the
other
hand, merely "wastes" this file, never to be seen again.

I've been giving <vsvga.sys> (as installed in C:\OS2\mdos, and documented with
it's own config.sys statement) the evil eye on this, but I'm not yet totally
sure. Unfortunately, I'm not a "code" person, so I doubt that I will be able
to
make an iron clad  determination on my own.

What I did do, however, is approx a year and a half ago I had a hard drive
that
developed problems in an area that is only critical to the HPFS file system. I
went through a two month period where I must have done a total system install
perhaps 25 times before Sam saved me from my own stupidity and told me it "was
the drive" that was bad. Perhaps 2-5 days after each install was complete,
everything just started falling appart. What that gave me was a front row seat
to observe the  varied, and perverse consequences of selecting alternative
"replace newer?" combinations, and then trying to apply service paks to the
result.

I can tell you that there is only ONE combination of sequences that works
reliably with "seamless" sessions, and that avenue was "dead-ended" with
fixpak
8, and more recently with "gradd"

Hopefully, this info will prove useful to the "code sleuths" among you. If so,
please share your fix with me, since I recently had to addopt "Gradd v .80" to
get my Abbottsbury Software video capture card driver working with acceptable
quality.  Those new  high refresh rates are kinda nice also, so I'd really
hate
to go back to that ATI- eyeburning 60 hz.

e-frog wrote:

> Graham ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : After months without it, and trying all the suggestions such as settings
> : files=255, removing duplicate fonts, I finally got seamless WinOS2 working
> : again. This stopped when I installed FP10, and shortly after I installed
> : Java 1.1.7 and Communicator 4.04.
>
> : I fixed it by turning off Truetype fonts in WinOS2. I have no idea why
> : this should make any difference, but, it does. I'm wondering if it might
> : have anything to do with the gigantic TT font which Java installs, but it
> : lives in x:\OS2\DLL which isn't in WinOS2's PATH or APPEND, so it
> : shouldn't know it exists. It also isn't referenced in any of WinOS2's INI
> : files.
>
> Funny, it order for me to get it to work, I had to turn ON (not off!):
> ATM
> DOS_UMB
>
> Isaac



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From: [e-mail]                           10-Sep-99 08:00:24
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 14:32:04
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: Bob Germer <[e-mail]>

On <9ddCdfeFk555-pn2-SdMNbMs42God@localhost>, on 09/09/99 at 11:42 PM,
   [e-mail] (Frank Kirk) said:

> On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:35:02, Bob Germer <[e-mail]>
> wrote:

> > Hmm, I just went to their website. I AM sending a copy of this message to
> > [e-mail]. I wonder if THIS will garner a response

>     Don't hold your breath.  If you receive a response, it'll probably be a
> standard form letter;  "Thank you for your interest, blah, blah,  blah.

>     Someone recently put me on hold for a long time while I listened to
> recordings telling me "your call is important to us", shortly before I
> was disconnected.

Oh, I got the same treatment, but I was more persistent. I finally got
through to a live human being. Here in a nutshell is the gist of the
conversation:

One must buy the "Enterprise" CD which contains NAV for OS/2 as well as
for NT, Win95, Win98, DOS, MAC, and some others. Plus one must also buy
site licenses for a MINIMUM of 10 users. One can only buy those items from
a reseller. A reseller must contact a "Symantec Specialist" at Ingram to
get the part number and order the software and license. THEN, and ONLY
then will Symantec ship the product to Ingram which in turn will ship to
the reseller.

The 10 user license is a site license. There is no provision for the SOHO
market since "OS/2 is deployed only in large companies" according to a
management contact I finally made by calling the headquarters of Symantec.
Since I was so "upset" she offered to send me a complimentary copy. I told
her I would rather institute a class action lawsuit against Symantec, that
I have clients with 3,4,5 etc. workstations who want the product and are
unwilling to pay for software for computers they don't own, software for
operating systems they do not use, and for 3 or more times the number of
machines they own.

They only sell NAV for Windows and NT as "retail" packages. They sell for
$36 from Symantec but for under $30 from various retailers.

I then called Indelible Blue. They neglected to include OS/2 as one of the
various platforms supported by the Norton AntiVirus Solution CD which they
sell for $207. In addition, one must buy a minimum of 10 site licenses at
$39 each. Thus the SOHO or individual user must pay a MINIMUM of $597 plus
shipping for what Windoze users get for under $30.

Now I see two possible solutions here.

One, and the one I am leaning toward, is to file a breach of contract suit
against Symantec based upon the press releases issued at the time they
took over IBM's antivirus product. Possibly IBM would also have to be a
party defendant to the suit since otherwise Symantec could claim, in
defense, that IBM wanted them to eliminate the SOHO and individual user
after promising support, applications, etc. for OS/2 which induced us to
buy the OS in the first place.

It would not cost nearly the price of the CD and 10 licenses for an
individual to file a suit. If a dozen or so do it at the same time, the
suits would be combined into a class action on behalf of all purchasers of
OS/2.

Naming IBM as co-defendant would probably get IBM to force Symantec to
release individual copies of the software to end users rather than be
charged by Symantec as the instigator of the policy. It would bring IBM
"out of the closet" so to speak regarding its non-support of OS/2
purchasers. If Symantec has documents, etc. to prove that IBM deliberately
wanted to keep the software from end users and SOHO's it would put IBM at
risk of a second class action suit from both users and ISV's.

The second solution would be for a group of users, SOHO's, etc. to form a
non-profit corporation, pool our money, and buy one copy of the software
and the requisite licenses. This is afterall an "enterprise" CD with
server versions, etc. as well as workstation versions. I was informed that
the user licenses were not based on a physical site, but on the total
number of licenses an enterprise wanted for its total number of
workstations, servers, etc.  they wished to protect.

This would reduce the cost of each copy to around $75 per copy. The site
license is $39. The cost of copying the CD and shipping one each would
raise the end user price to $75 or so after adding the distributed cost of
forming a non-profit company, opening a bank account, etc.

I am sure that there might be a price break if someone wanted to buy say
500 or a thousand licenses. That could conceivably reduce the cost even
more.

I had a discussion with a representative of Indelible Blue regarding this
matter. This person told me that there have been many, many calls for
individual copies of the OS/2 product. I have a call into Buck Bohoc, the
owner of IB, and I will explore the matter with him, hopefully today.

IF enough people in the OS/2 community are interested in getting NAV and
willing to pay less than $80 per copy, I will explore the first option at
length with my company's lawyer. If this doesn't look promising, I will
refine idea 2. I personally would be willing to absorb the cost of 20 or
30 copies and setting up the non-profit enterprise based upon promises of
purchase. However, I am not willing to put out the cost for more than
that. Some sort of pre-payment or at least partial pre-payment would be
necessary for me to foot the entire up-front costs.

So, if anyone is really wanting NAV for Warp, please do 3 things:

1. Respond here. I am saving this thread to use as a hammer on Symantec.

2. Email me at [e-mail] (NOTE just clicking on a CC button to this
posting will not get to me. You must change the anti-spam automatic
address) so that I can be sure of getting your message.

3. Search your disks, etc. for any announcement material issued by IBM and
Symantec in the event we decide to file a class action.

And if you really want to help, cross-post this message to every OS/2
related and MAC workgroup. MAC users could also purchase from the
non-profit if we go that route.

Bob Germer

PS. Regarding the non-profit company. I would likely list its purpose as
to raise money for Jerry's Kids (The Muscular Disease Foundation) or some
similar eleemosynary organization. $1 of every "purchase" would be sent to
the charity.

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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [e-mail]
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 8
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: [e-mail]                                  10-Sep-99 09:46:08
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 17:01:23
Subj: upgrading to Communicator 4.6.1; killed by FixPack5

From: "xander" <[e-mail]>

To upgrade to Communicator 4.6.1 from  NS 2.02 apparently Warp4 FixPack #5
is required.  FixPack #5 was downloaded and installed and claimed it was
successful; please reboot.  The system was rebooted and never gets past the
splash screen.

The system has AMD K6 300MHZ, 64MB, and 4GB disk.


HELP!!! - need it urgently.

I don't frequent this newsgroup so please reply to:

[e-mail]
[phone]



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From: [e-mail]                                     10-Sep-99 09:23:05
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 17:01:23
Subj: Re: Netscape Requires MPTS

From: [e-mail] (Mikus Grinbergs)

I stand corrected.

Had in the back of my mind that a Configuration Installation
Distribution ( CID ) procedure was used by establishments to
remotely install onto a workstation from a central server, so
never paid attention to it.  Turns out it can be used locally.
Live and learn.

Thanks,  mikus


In article <[e-mail]>,
Brad BARCLAY <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Mikus Grinbergs wrote:
> > I question what kind of a house of cards is being built here.
> > Suppose somebody wanted to install Java 1.1.8.  To do so, they
> > would need Feature Install.  The only documented way to run
> > Feature Install needs Netscape.
>
>     Actually, the unattended installation for all Feature Installer
> packages from IBM is fully documented, and doesn't require Netscape to
> be installed.  Check the README that comes with the package you wish to
> install for information on how to use the unattended installation mode.
>
> Brad BARCLAY

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From: nospam                                            10-Sep-99 14:05:20
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 17:01:23
Subj: Re: NS/2 4.04 is driving me crazy!

From: glennth@<nospam>senet.com.au (Glenn Thompson)

On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:36:47, [e-mail] wrote:


-> In <L8W8d0hqkiHX-pn2-6cpvPbVJ1r4L@localhost>, on 09/08/99
-> The 4.61 betas have been giving me similar problems to the 4.04
-> version, but I am encouraged that they are paying attention to the
-> bug reports that I have been submitting. Perhaps they will
-> eventually get it right. When all a person wants or needs is just a
-> good, reliable browser, it is a real burden to have to put up with
-> all the other so-called "goodies" that come bundled with an
-> overblown product like Communicator. It is way too much of a good
-> thing for my purposes. I hope that in the final product there will
-> be a way to simply install the browser portion and ignore the rest
-> of the bloat.

   We can live in hope I guess :-)))))

   Glenn.

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From: [e-mail]                           10-Sep-99 15:16:02
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 17:01:23
Subj: Re: upgrading to Communicator 4.6.1; killed by FixPack5

From: [e-mail] (Lorne Sunley)

On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:46:16, "xander" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>
> To upgrade to Communicator 4.6.1 from  NS 2.02 apparently Warp4 FixPack #5
> is required.  FixPack #5 was downloaded and installed and claimed it was
> successful; please reboot.  The system was rebooted and never gets past the
> splash screen.
>
> The system has AMD K6 300MHZ, 64MB, and 4GB disk.
>
>
> HELP!!! - need it urgently.
>
> I don't frequent this newsgroup so please reply to:
>
> [e-mail]
> [phone]
>
>
>

You may have a glitch induced by the IBM1S506 device driver.

When you boot press ALT-F2 at the "OS/2 boot blob" so you
can see the listing of the device drivers as they load. The one
left sitting there is the one you have a problem with.

If it is IBM1S506 then

The update may be hanging on your CD-ROM if it is on an IDE
channel by itself and it is jumpered as a SLAVE. You have to
have jumpered as a MASTER when it is standalone.

There may also be a problem with bus-mastering if you
have some motherboard chipset other than an Intel one
like VIA or OPTI.

Boot with the install diskettes and use TEDIT to edit
your CONFIG.SYS file and add the following switches
to the BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD command

/A:0 /!BM /A:1 /!BM

These will turn off busmastering for the IDE drives.

If the system hangs at other than IBM1S506 post what
the device driver is.

Posted and E-Mailed
Lorne Sunley

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From: [e-mail]                                    10-Sep-99 16:07:01
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 17:01:24
Subj: Re: Post Road Mailer and FP11 ...lost folders...still

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <[e-mail]>

In article
<[e-mail]
>,
  "Dale Curren" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:15:05 GMT, Buddy Donnelly
wrote:
> >> I want to convert from PRM to J-Street Mailer!
> There is a file called jsmutils that converts
several things IIRC.  I used it long
> ago and have it here.

Ummmm............  DUH!!!  I remember things real
quick if you give me enough time.  From my own
archive of things I keep because they're important
(but which I forget due to a loose SIMM between my
ears..... no, it must be a DIMM........):

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Priority: Normal
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Ver 3.0a)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:22:43 EDT
From: Kari Jackson <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Subject: Technical Support - J Street Mailer

** Reply to note from Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser
<[e-mail]> Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:13:34 EST
>
> I've been using Post Road Mailer on OS/2 for quite
> some time.  Maybe 3 years. (I'm using release 2.6
> now.) And I'd like to migrate my stuff from
> there.

ADR2ASC.CMD in your PRM directory, is a REXX program
which will export a PRM address book to an ASCII text
file.  (Two, actually....one for the individual
entries and one for the group entries.)  J Street
will import the former file (the individual entries)
into its own address book format. Instructions for
that conversion are on the Address Books page of the
J Street online help.

PRM messages are stored in POP files, one file per
message. This is the same way J Street does it.  With
two exceptions:

Messages you've SENT from PRM are stored in your
"sent" folder (or wherever you've put them; maybe
mixed in with received notes, maybe not) in a
different format that we might refer to as the
OUTBASKET format.  (As documented on the "Control
tags in outbasket notes" page of the PRM online
help.)  J Street does not do that.  So to copy old
notes from PRM to J Street, you want to use a REXX
program that's available at
http://www.innoval.com/archive.htm, which will copy
the note files from the one directory to another,
converting the OUTBASKET-style ones to the regular
format as it goes along.

The other exception is that PRM does attachment
processing and quoted-printable decoding during
receipt, and J Street does not do those things until
you view the message.  J Street leaves the message in
its original incoming format and re-does the
attachment and quoted-printable processing each time
you view the message.  But PRM, unless you receive a
note while you have the "Preserve attachment data in
notes" setting turned on, REWRITES the note file
after removing the attachment and decoding the
quoted-printable encoding.  So notes received by PRM
(assuming you didn't have that setting turned on) no
longer have attachments in them, and no longer have
quoted-printable encoding in them, even though they
still have header lines which SAY that they do have
attachments and/or quoted-printable encoding.

So messages, received by PRM, and then copied into J
Street, may cause errors in J Street when you later
try to view them.  For example, if a note that
arrived into PRM as quoted-printable encoded,
contains an equals sign after decoding, then when you
open it with J Street, J Street will erroneously use
the quoted-printable decoding algorithm on it,
because its header line still says it's
quoted-printable encoded even though it isn't (and
the equals sign is what signifies a character of
quoted-printable encoded data).

So in order to view that message properly, you'll
have to temporarily turn off the quoted-printable
decoding in J Street.  Which, at this time is done by
turning off "Decode attachments" on the Message menu,
though later there will be a separate setting for it.
And that is also the setting that will cause the
program to not try to decode the attachments from the
message while displaying it, so it also takes care of
the problem caused by viewing a message whose header
lines still say that there are attachments inside
even though the Post Road Mailer has already removed
the attachments.

> Also, PRM lets you put a password on an inbox. Is
> there a way to put a password on a . . . what do
> you call it now? . . . an account?

Yes, account.  No, J Street doesn't have that
feature.  We always thought it was pretty worthless
in PRM, because anyone could just go to the command
line and read all the mail anyway, so we didn't see
it as a high priority to bring the feature along to J
Street.

Kari Jackson  07/22/98  09:18am
Product Engineer
InnoVal Systems Solutions, Inc.

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PATH=Bookshelf;DeskDrawer;Closet;BoxUnderBed;GarbageC
an

_________________________________________

I'm assuming Kari won't mind if I share this since
(a) there's nothing particularly private in this note
& (b) she's not supporting either product any more.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


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From: [e-mail]                                  10-Sep-99 11:51:20
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 17:01:24
Subj: Re: upgrading to Communicator 4.6.1; killed by FixPack5

From: "xander" <[e-mail]>

I have resolved the problem.  The fixpack installed a newer version of
ibm1s506.add, which would not load.  I had to replace it with the older
file and it worked.  Thanks to CJ Harris @ IBM.



xander <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
>
> To upgrade to Communicator 4.6.1 from  NS 2.02 apparently Warp4 FixPack #5
> is required.  FixPack #5 was downloaded and installed and claimed it was
> successful; please reboot.  The system was rebooted and never gets past
the
> splash screen.
>
> The system has AMD K6 300MHZ, 64MB, and 4GB disk.
>
>
> HELP!!! - need it urgently.
>
> I don't frequent this newsgroup so please reply to:
>
> [e-mail]
> [phone]
>
>
>


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From: [e-mail]                                    10-Sep-99 16:54:20
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 17:01:24
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <[e-mail]>

In article <37d8c0ab$1$nfxovyy$[e-mail]>,
  askbill*AT*ibm.net wrote:
> In <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-dPPBRdNdyDOy@localhost>, on
09/09/99
>    at 05:52 PM, doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug
Bissett) said:
> >On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 02:51:27, Alon Stewart
<[e-mail]> wrote:
> > > and a number of other justifiably irate folks
> > >     wrote:
        <<<snip>>>

I start at http://www.av.ibm.com/current/FrontPage/.
I remember finding a page linked from there
describing the IBM-Symantec agreement.  Also linked
from there is the page where you can get signature
updates for IBM AV 3.0.  The most recent one being
AV30EI dated September 3, 1999.  Their page says they
will continue to provide these signature updates
through the end of 1999.

In light of that, I decided a few months ago to find
out what I could.  Like the others here, I found
Symantec's web site utterly useless, speaking as it
does only of business, multi-user environments.  I
found something that sounded cool that required you
set up a free web page for support.  Which I did.
Which netted me absolutely no additional information
so I regret having done it.  Since there was no other
E-mail address anywhere on any of their pages, I sent
a note to the Symantec webmaster.  After about 4
tries over a span of 3 weeks or so, getting an
automated response each time, I finally received the
following message:

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X-Status:

Hello,

Thank you for your message.  Please accept my
apologies for the difficulties that you have
encountered.  Symantec has a specific department that
will be able to assist you.  They can only be reached
by phone at 1-800-441-7234.  Once you call our
Customer Service, please ask the representative to
transfer you to the department that deals
specifically with the IBM transition.  This
department will be able to provide you with a single
user license for Norton AntiVirus for OS/2.

If I can be of further assistance, please let me
know.

Regards,

Alison Kenny
Symantec Online Customer Service

____________________________________________________

My second post today of an E-mail I've gotten from a
vendor.  Must be something in the air..........

Note the late July date on this note.

Anyway, I thought this sounded encouraging.  So since
the signature updates for the old product will be
around until the end of the year, I figured I would
wait until early November & just handle this then.
But based on what I'm reading here, maybe I should
take care of this sooner.

Is the 800 number quoted above the one any of you
have called?  Is this the number that gets the "your
call is important" message over muzak just before
being disconnected?  Did you actually speak to
Dogbert?

WW
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From: [e-mail]                                10-Sep-99 14:09:15
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 17:01:24
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: Sushenjit Bandyopadhyay <[e-mail]>

I don't need a retail copy of NAV for OS/2.  I got mine when I called
Symantec and told them I have IBM AV and I want to upgrade to NAV for
OS/2.  They sent it free and didn't ask for any proof.

Now it seems they are charging some $9.95.  It seems odd that they
would upgrade single licence but not sell them.

In principle I agree that (a threat of) a class action suit may help
move that matter along.

Sushenjit

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 9-10-99, 12:00:49 PM, Bob Germer <[e-mail]> wrote
regarding Re: IBM Anti Virus:


> On <9ddCdfeFk555-pn2-SdMNbMs42God@localhost>, on 09/09/99 at 11:42 PM,
>    [e-mail] (Frank Kirk) said:

> > On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:35:02, Bob Germer <[e-mail]>
> > wrote:

> > > Hmm, I just went to their website. I AM sending a copy of this message
to
> > > [e-mail]. I wonder if THIS will garner a response

> >     Don't hold your breath.  If you receive a response, it'll probably
be a
> > standard form letter;  "Thank you for your interest, blah, blah,
blah.

> >     Someone recently put me on hold for a long time while I listened
to
> > recordings telling me "your call is important to us", shortly before I
> > was disconnected.

> Oh, I got the same treatment, but I was more persistent. I finally got
> through to a live human being. Here in a nutshell is the gist of the
> conversation:

> One must buy the "Enterprise" CD which contains NAV for OS/2 as well
as
> for NT, Win95, Win98, DOS, MAC, and some others. Plus one must also
buy
> site licenses for a MINIMUM of 10 users. One can only buy those items
from
> a reseller. A reseller must contact a "Symantec Specialist" at Ingram
to
> get the part number and order the software and license. THEN, and ONLY
> then will Symantec ship the product to Ingram which in turn will ship
to
> the reseller.

> The 10 user license is a site license. There is no provision for the
SOHO
> market since "OS/2 is deployed only in large companies" according to a
> management contact I finally made by calling the headquarters of
Symantec.
> Since I was so "upset" she offered to send me a complimentary copy. I
told
> her I would rather institute a class action lawsuit against Symantec,
that
> I have clients with 3,4,5 etc. workstations who want the product and
are
> unwilling to pay for software for computers they don't own, software
for
> operating systems they do not use, and for 3 or more times the number
of
> machines they own.

> They only sell NAV for Windows and NT as "retail" packages. They sell
for
> $36 from Symantec but for under $30 from various retailers.

> I then called Indelible Blue. They neglected to include OS/2 as one of
the
> various platforms supported by the Norton AntiVirus Solution CD which
they
> sell for $207. In addition, one must buy a minimum of 10 site licenses
at
> $39 each. Thus the SOHO or individual user must pay a MINIMUM of $597
plus
> shipping for what Windoze users get for under $30.

> Now I see two possible solutions here.

> One, and the one I am leaning toward, is to file a breach of contract
suit
> against Symantec based upon the press releases issued at the time they
> took over IBM's antivirus product. Possibly IBM would also have to be
a
> party defendant to the suit since otherwise Symantec could claim, in
> defense, that IBM wanted them to eliminate the SOHO and individual
user
> after promising support, applications, etc. for OS/2 which induced us
to
> buy the OS in the first place.

> It would not cost nearly the price of the CD and 10 licenses for an
> individual to file a suit. If a dozen or so do it at the same time,
the
> suits would be combined into a class action on behalf of all
purchasers of
> OS/2.

> Naming IBM as co-defendant would probably get IBM to force Symantec to
> release individual copies of the software to end users rather than be
> charged by Symantec as the instigator of the policy. It would bring
IBM
> "out of the closet" so to speak regarding its non-support of OS/2
> purchasers. If Symantec has documents, etc. to prove that IBM
deliberately
> wanted to keep the software from end users and SOHO's it would put IBM
at
> risk of a second class action suit from both users and ISV's.

> The second solution would be for a group of users, SOHO's, etc. to
form a
> non-profit corporation, pool our money, and buy one copy of the
software
> and the requisite licenses. This is afterall an "enterprise" CD with
> server versions, etc. as well as workstation versions. I was informed
that
> the user licenses were not based on a physical site, but on the total
> number of licenses an enterprise wanted for its total number of
> workstations, servers, etc.  they wished to protect.

> This would reduce the cost of each copy to around $75 per copy. The
site
> license is $39. The cost of copying the CD and shipping one each would
> raise the end user price to $75 or so after adding the distributed
cost of
> forming a non-profit company, opening a bank account, etc.

> I am sure that there might be a price break if someone wanted to buy
say
> 500 or a thousand licenses. That could conceivably reduce the cost
even
> more.

> I had a discussion with a representative of Indelible Blue regarding
this
> matter. This person told me that there have been many, many calls for
> individual copies of the OS/2 product. I have a call into Buck Bohoc,
the
> owner of IB, and I will explore the matter with him, hopefully today.

> IF enough people in the OS/2 community are interested in getting NAV
and
> willing to pay less than $80 per copy, I will explore the first option
at
> length with my company's lawyer. If this doesn't look promising, I
will
> refine idea 2. I personally would be willing to absorb the cost of 20
or
> 30 copies and setting up the non-profit enterprise based upon promises
of
> purchase. However, I am not willing to put out the cost for more than
> that. Some sort of pre-payment or at least partial pre-payment would
be
> necessary for me to foot the entire up-front costs.

> So, if anyone is really wanting NAV for Warp, please do 3 things:

> 1. Respond here. I am saving this thread to use as a hammer on
Symantec.

> 2. Email me at [e-mail] (NOTE just clicking on a CC button to
this
> posting will not get to me. You must change the anti-spam automatic
> address) so that I can be sure of getting your message.

> 3. Search your disks, etc. for any announcement material issued by IBM
and
> Symantec in the event we decide to file a class action.

> And if you really want to help, cross-post this message to every OS/2
> related and MAC workgroup. MAC users could also purchase from the
> non-profit if we go that route.

> Bob Germer

> PS. Regarding the non-profit company. I would likely list its purpose
as
> to raise money for Jerry's Kids (The Muscular Disease Foundation) or
some
> similar eleemosynary organization. $1 of every "purchase" would be
sent to
> the charity.

> --
>
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> Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [e-mail]
> Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 8
> MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
> Aut Pax Aut Bellum
>
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From: [e-mail]                                10-Sep-99 13:22:01
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 19:59:23
Subj: Re: Netscape Requires MPTS

From: [e-mail] (Will Honea)

On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:23:11, [e-mail] (Mikus Grinbergs) wrote:

When the TCP/IP 4.1 package wouldn't install right I got a pleasant
surprise as I fought it.  From a command line, run CLIFI and check out
the options.  As far as I can tell, that's Command Line Interface
Feature Install ????  Anyone got a reference for the docs on this
puppy?  I've managed to get it to work by judicious mods in the stock
script so far but it's nice to know what you're doing - sometimes.

>
> Had in the back of my mind that a Configuration Installation
> Distribution ( CID ) procedure was used by establishments to
> remotely install onto a workstation from a central server, so
> never paid attention to it.  Turns out it can be used locally.
> Live and learn.
>


Will Honea <[e-mail]>

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From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net                           10-Sep-99 20:28:29
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 19:59:23
Subj: Re: IBM Anti Virus

From: doug.bissett"at"ibm.net (Doug Bissett)

On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:00:49, Bob Germer <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> The second solution would be for a group of users, SOHO's, etc. to form a
> non-profit corporation, pool our money, and buy one copy of the software
> and the requisite licenses. This is afterall an "enterprise" CD with
> server versions, etc. as well as workstation versions. I was informed that
> the user licenses were not based on a physical site, but on the total
> number of licenses an enterprise wanted for its total number of
> workstations, servers, etc.  they wished to protect.
>
> This would reduce the cost of each copy to around $75 per copy. The site
> license is $39. The cost of copying the CD and shipping one each would
> raise the end user price to $75 or so after adding the distributed cost of
> forming a non-profit company, opening a bank account, etc.
>

I support whatever you think is best.

I am beginning to think that *WE*, the OS/2 user's, could be an
"ENTERPRISE". If we ALL pool our dollars (invest $80 in the
"company"), we could buy a single copy, with a few thousand licences
(should be even cheaper than $80). All that would be required, is to
set up a site with the original disk, available on a FTP server
(password protected, so you need to pay your bucks to become a part of
the "enterprise"). I suspect that there would be some legal thing to
prevent that, but it might be worth investigating. Perhaps BMT micro,
or IB would take that on (IB already sells site licenses etc.). After
all, even IBM wouldn't buy more than one copy of the CD (well, they
might, but they shouldn't), and would just make it available on their
intranet for all who need it.

It might also be possible to do the same thing with OS/2 itself, after
all, IBM is only interested in selling, and supporting, large
"enterprises", and a few thousand user's would be as big as any
"enterprise". (A COMMON share, gets you access to NAV, a PREFERED
share gets you access to OS/2, or something like that). All you would
need is a set of install disks that would get you connected to the
internet, and do a CID install of OS/2.

I am sure that the technical details can be worked out (the legal
details might be more difficult). There are a LOT of very knowledgable
people in the OS/2 community. (Then again, why limit this to just the
OS/2 community, the more site licences we can get, the lower the cost
should be, and the software is already on the CD).

A great name for the company, would be "The Starship Enterprise", but
I am sure that there would be legal problems with that <g>.

Perhaps. we can use IBM's, and Symantec's, lack of cooperation to nail
them to the wall <g>...
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doug.bissett at ibm.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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