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 Today's Topics:
                          CP/M->MSDOS problems
                       Disk recovery help needed
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 Date: 12 Sep 88 20:24:49 GMT
 From: pacbell!pbhyd![e-mail]  (Tom Edwards)
 Subject: CP/M->MSDOS problems

 In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
 (Timothy Stark) writes:
 >
 >     Last summer before our school started, I ported a file to MS-DOS diskette
 > with my commodore 128 w/rfc512 disk drive using Trans-128 software. I
 > formatted MS-DOS diskette on my commodore 128 and put a file into it.
 >
 I am new to CPM, how do I get a copy of trans128.

 Thanks for your replies,

 Tom

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 Date: 13 Sep 88 17:34:06 GMT
 From: necntc!necis![e-mail]  (Adam Moskowitz)
 Subject: Disk recovery help needed

 [I realize that this isn't quite appropriate for this group, but it's the
 most likely group to be able to help with this problem. Apologies to the
 purists.]

 I need to recover some erased files from a *hard-sectored* 5.25" floppy. The
 disk was written under CP/M 2.2 (I think that's the right version) on a
 Vector Graphics 3100 series. I believe it's double-sided and "quad"-density.

 I'm fairly sure that the file can be recovered using "unera", as no other
 writes were done to the disk once the file was zapped. However, even if I get
 it unera'd, I can't read it (tried to find a VG machine lately?). So I have a
 slightly unusual request: is there anyone out there who can transfer the
 whole disk to a UNIX file? I'm willing to grep through a straight dump of the
 disk if I can just get it onto my UNIX box. The ideal would be if someone
 could "dd" the disk into 1 or more UNIX files and then "tar" them out to a
 1/2" magtape.

 If you can do this for me, please let me know. I'm willing to pay all
 shipping charges for disks and tapes, and I wouldn't be adverse to paying for
 the service if this is something you or your company do as part of your
 business. Please, I really need that file! Call (I'll call you back and we'll
 use my nickle)! Write! Send email! Send carrier pigeons! Help!

 AdamM
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 Today's Topics:
               Info on new public domain archiving system
             New public domain archiving system development
                               Z-80 Unix?
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 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 1988  17:54 MDT
 From: Keith Petersen <[e-mail]>
 Subject: Info on new public domain archiving system

 Captured from the Exec-PC Business Board  414/964-5160

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1612  08-31-88  20:06
    from: PHIL KATZ
 subject: PLANS

 Well, I think it's a little to early for an official product
 announcement or anything, but here's what is currently in
 the works:

 -------------------------------------------------------------
 Caveat:
   This is not an official press release.  This is what
   is currently planned for the new data compression
   software forthcoming from PKWARE.  The information
   provided here is subject to change without notice.

 o  The file format for the new files will be made public.
    Other software can read or write these files without
    restriction.  Additionally, PUBLIC DOMAIN source code
    written in portable C language may be released to
    demonstrate how an applications program can read the
    information contained in a file created with the new
    software.

 o  The software will be concurrently released for MS-DOS,
    VAX/VMS, and Amiga.  (This implies that long filenames
    such as on an Amiga or Unix will be fully supported.)
    OS/2, Unix, and mainframe development is currently being
    investigated.

 o  The (MS-DOS) software will offer both a menu-driven full
    screen interface and a command line interface.

 o  The software will provide significantly better compression
    than the current software, and also offer vastly improved
    reliability for recovering data from damaged and corrupted
    files.

 o  The software will be able to process and traverse
    subdirectories.  The (MS-DOS) software will be able to span
    multiple disks with compressed file collections.
 ---------------

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 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 1988  18:01 MDT
 From: Keith Petersen <[e-mail]>
 Subject: New public domain archiving system development

 A group effort is *well* underway to develop a new archiving standard which
 will have many new features and will be more efficient than present methods.

 The following is an edited capture file from a session conducted on the
 Exec-PC Business Board  414/964-5160  on Saturday September 17, 1988 by
 Keith Petersen, W8SDZ.

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1544  08-18-88  05:29  (Read 102 times)
    from: DEAN COOPER
      to: GRANT ELLSWORTH (Rcvd)

 [speaking about a file recently uploaded which urges everyone to convert to
 the DWC archiver]...   The author of the note included in the file was quite
 misinformed as he thought Phil would no longer be able to develop ANY
 archivers after January 89.  But of course, Phil is allowed and is going to
 come out with a NEW archiver, it just must not use the same file format as
 ARC does.
    Also, the author of the note basically wanted people to switch over to
 DWC, and I have heard other people say the same thing.  But I would caution
 people to just be a bit patient and wait for Phil's new archiver.  This is
 an easy thing for me to say since both Phil and I are combining are efforts
 on this new archiver...  So just stay tuned...
     Dean

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1550  08-19-88  21:55  (Read 103 times)
    from: GRANT ELLSWORTH
      to: DEAN COOPER (Rcvd)

 Dean, with you and PK teamed ... I can't think of a better possibility or
 probability for a superior compressor/archiver utility .... I WILL stay
 tuned! Regards, Grant

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1552  08-20-88  20:28  (Read 99 times)
    from: PAUL ZIMMERMAN
      to: DEAN COOPER (Rcvd)

 Is this going to be a "new standard"??? Either your and Phil's work will be
 merged into a single entity or the two programs will understand each
 other's formats and not throw tantrums?  Sounds very good. It will be hard
 to be patient not knowing what is going on....
                                                         Paul

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1553  08-21-88  00:13  (Read 101 times)
    from: PHIL KATZ
      to: PAUL ZIMMERMAN (Rcvd)

 Paul,

 Yes, it will be a completely new standard.  With Dean's experience
 with DWC and my experience with (name deleted to protect the innocent)
 combined, we will be able to come out with something much better
 than the current software, both in terms of compression performance
 and functionality.

 >Phil>

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1555  08-21-88  19:45  (Read 96 times)
    from: PAUL ZIMMERMAN
      to: PHIL KATZ (Rcvd)
      cc: DEAN COOPER

 One uncertainty remains. Who will write a "converter" from ARC format to
 your new one? Dean? Or someone "anonymous"??? (Probably one of those
 Macrobiotic Programmers I heard about in Bull Roar? :-)
                                                               Paul

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1556  08-21-88  22:32  (Read 98 times)
    from: PHIL KATZ
      to: PAUL ZIMMERMAN (Rcvd)

 Paul,

 Well, who writes a converter isn't a major issue.  Basically,
 all that will be necessary to convert to the new format is
 a program to alternately invoke PKUNPAK to extract the files
 and then thew new software to recompress them into the new
 format.  Since the new software will be using different and
 better compression algorithms, it will be necessary to do
 this.

 Anyway, a person in New York, acting on his own cognizance, has
 volunteered to write a conversion program.

 >Phil>

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1557  08-21-88  22:43  (Read 96 times)
    from: PAUL ZIMMERMAN
      to: PHIL KATZ (Rcvd)

 Yes, I suppose a batch file with some clever application of the
 "for" command could do the trick. But I was wondering if something
 more exotic might pop-up.

 I am VERY curious about the "new and better" methods. Any hints? Going
 to full 16 bit tables, or what??? (I have heard that this requires a
 lot of RAM, but who nowadays doesn't have at least 512k???) And will it be
 possible to tell the new compressor to "optimize" by examining a file
 at full length and the building the best possible compressed file?

                                                     Paul

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1558  08-21-88  23:39  (Read 98 times)
    from: PHIL KATZ
      to: PAUL ZIMMERMAN (Rcvd)

 Paul,

 Well, I don't want to spill all my beans, but I have a prototype
 compression algorithm that uses *less* memory than PKPAK, but
 consistently compresses better.  I am also evaluating an algorithm
 that can compress much, much better than the current methods,
 but takes a long time to compress.  The extraction isn't too
 bad though.  This might be included as an option if you want
 to maximize the compression achieved.

 I think something like a 16-bit code is pretty much out of the
 question.  Even though the current software will run in 128K,
 there are still applications where there isn't that much
 available.  That is the main reasons for the junior versions
 of PKPAK and PKUNPAK currently.  Especially when compression
 is integrated into other applications, memory usage is a
 major concern.  One of the goals for the new software is to
 be able to run in about the same amount of memory (or less)
 than the current software, at least in the MS-DOS versions.

 >Phil>

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1559  08-22-88  05:53  (Read 99 times)
    from: DEAN COOPER
      to: PAUL ZIMMERMAN (Rcvd)

    The new archiver will be a NEW format and standard.  We are trying to
 put in all the things that were to difficult with our older formats, so if
 you have any ideas for features or things you've always wanted in an
 archiver, speak up now, and if we havn`t thought of it already, we may be
 able to work it in since we're starting from scratch in an attempt to do
 things right...
     Dean

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1589  08-30-88  05:59  (Read 89 times)
    from: DEAN COOPER
      to: PATRICK LEMIRANDE (Rcvd)

    The program will be designed as modular as possible, so that we will end
 up with a library of routines that do compression/decompression, a library
 of routines that can manipulate an archive file (all the basic things that
 the user can do from the normal command line program), and then a front end
 that puts a command line interface on to the top.  Since many people,
 including myself, like a command line program, and since it will be no big
 deal to make one seeing that it is just a small part on top of the library
 that does all the work, then we have a command lie version of the program.
    But of course, other people like the full-screen interface, so that will
 be done too...
    Dean

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1601  08-30-88  23:55  (Read 95 times)
    from: PHIL KATZ
      to: PATRICK LEMIRANDE (Rcvd)
      cc: DOUGLAS HAY

 Patrick,

 Douglas Hay is working with us to develop a menu driven full screen
 front end for the new software.  This will be something integrated
 into the design, and will have self-contained compression/extraction
 routines so it won't need to shell to other programs.  Of course,
 there will also be command line driven versions of the software
 available for use in automated procedures and batch files etc.

 >Phil>

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1576  08-29-88  00:59  (Read 89 times)
    from: PHILIP BURNS
      to: PHIL KATZ (Rcvd)
 subject: NEW COMPRESSION PROGRAM

      cc: DEAN COOPER

 I see from messages here and elsewhere that you guys are working
 on a new file compression/librarying program to replace the PKPAK
 and PKUNPAK programs.

 Many of us are looking for a replacement for ARC, partly because of
 its MS-DOS based limitations (short file names, no directory
 information, no indication of file type, etc.), and partly because
 of the current insistence of SEA that the ARC file type is now
 proprietary and ANY program which processes an ARC file in any form
 requires a license from SEA.  This license condition is completely
 unacceptable.

 My questions on your new work are these:

      (1)  Will you be looking at issues of using the programs
           on systems besides MS DOS and OS2?  For example,
           I'd like to be able to use the same/similar programs
           to work on the same file across a variety of systems,
           like Unix, the Macintosh systems, VAX/VMS, IBM CMS
           and MVS, CDC NOS/VE, etc.

      (2)  Will you be making the COMPLETE file specification
           public domain, or copyrighted but completely free
           of licensing restrictions?  By that I mean, do you
           intend to allow by default, anyone to process a
           file in your new format without licensing restrictions?
           (If not, I certainly wouldn't use your new programs,
           as this would lead to the same silliness as currently
           exists regarding ARC).

 Thanks.

 -- Pib
 ---------------

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1577  08-29-88  05:34  (Read 87 times)
    from: DEAN COOPER
      to: PHILIP BURNS (Rcvd)

    How long to file names need to be??  And in what way would you like to
 have a long file name truncated down to DOS size?  Also, what file types
 are there?  On these systems that have different file types, can one use C
 functions to create the various types?  If so, what's the typical arguments
 needed?  Do different file types need to be written out to differently?
     Dean
 P.S. The new archiver's format will be made public.

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1579  08-29-88  07:55  (Read 88 times)
    from: MIKE SHAWALUK
      to: PHILIP BURNS (Rcvd)

 Philip,
   I am the co-developer for the VAX/VMS version of "our" new archiving
 utility (no bruised ego here, but I just wanted to say that it's not just
 Dean and Phil who are involved in the "project").  Anyways, one of the
 things I am wrestling with on the VMS version is the wide variety (i.e.,
 endless number) of file and/or record types available under that operating
 system, and how to deal with them, both when adding files *on* a VMS
 system, and when extracting them, whether under VMS or on a foreign system.
 If you have any comments/suggestions/whatever, let me know, either via a
 posting here, or via email, if it's more convenient.
   - Mike

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1581  08-29-88  22:54  (Read 86 times)
    from: GRANT ELLSWORTH
      to: DEAN COOPER (Rcvd)
      cc: PHIL KATZ
      cc: PHILIP BURNS

 Dean, are you all going to provide enough info in the public declaimation
 for a reasonably experienced pgmr to write code which will be able to
 extract files and decompress them?  I don't think that files can be
 unCrucnched, unPacked, unSqueezed by programmers without knowledge of the
 ARC source code ... and  unSquashing could probably be inferred from
 PK's general doc on the Squash Info file.

 And the public DOC on the .ARC files doesn't seem to say too much beyond
 how to get to the heaader part for each file and ident its name/date

 Re: file name sizes ... for PC DOS, UNIX, VMS and other relatives (like
 OhS.../2), allow up to 63 for storing fully qualified path_names; for IBM
 maiframes ... MVS tolerates 44 for full DSName + 10 for library/member
 identifier and delimiters "()".

 Re: non-ascii systems - e.g. IBM MAINFrames ... others ... similar or
 anologous file structures you can create ... but you want to CODE stuff
 to play games with reversing the order of bytes in continous stream bit
 streams????? I've done it for moving special bit-stream files from heavy
 metal to little-iron ... it ain't fun ... but it can be done

 Grant

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1582  08-29-88  23:16  (Read 88 times)
    from: GRANT ELLSWORTH
      to: MIKE SHAWALUK (Rcvd)

 Mike,  here is a suggestion for addressing the high variety of file types
 on VMS (incl. cr/lf, lf ..... cr, var-lgth, fixed lgth, blocked, etc).  I
 used a similar technique for doing the almost as high a variety on heavy
 metal ,,, get the file-type, block0size, record-length, etc..
 characteristics  out of the "FCB" (? - i've forgotten the VMS control block
 name --- and I'd have to let my line go out to get it out of my manuals in
 the boxes on the other side of the basement), and store that encoded info
 in the compressed/library filename header exactly as VMS expects to find
 it.  Then, when you compress the file, compress EVERYTHING --- even the
 line delimters , the record length descriptor byte/word, etc., as if it
 were a continuous stream of bytes ---- strip nothing!  On decompress cycle,
 build a large stream of output bytes in LARGE blocks.... and have the
 decompressor driver call a different output writer for each general class
 of file type (many of the specific file types can be grouped together in
 one class --- e.g. var-lgth blocked and var length unblocked records -=--
 note --- do not try to compress by total var lgth blocks --- just use the
 records ---- there is no need to carry the full block structure thru the
 compressor/decompressor cycle --- the FCB characteristics should suffice)
 Note: You can insert the file's characteristics (record length, record-
 type, block-size, etc..) in the FCB before opening the file ... dittor
 for the file's name (which heavy-metal will NOT let you easily do - but
 VMS does!)

 Hope this is helpful.  Grant

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1586  08-30-88  03:54  (Read 89 times)
    from: PHILIP BURNS
      to: MIKE SHAWALUK (Rcvd)

 Thanks for the message.

 On Vax file types:  for the Vax, one can store the relevant
 RMS specs with the file, and have user exits available to
 recreate the file with the proper specs, as part of the
 archiver.  Or you might consider converting non-text files
 to VMSHEX form, and then VMSDEHing them upon extraction.
 Or perhaps that should just be left up to the user.  However,
 the main thing is to allow enough lines of commentary to
 be associated with an entry so that someone could figure
 out what to do.

 Similar things can be done on other systems which have
 the same variety (some even MORE variety) of file types
 than VMS.

 -- Pib

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1597  08-30-88  21:50  (Read 91 times)
    from: GRANT ELLSWORTH
      to: DEAN COOPER (Rcvd)
 subject: LZW COMPRESSION
      cc: PHIL KATZ

 Dean, and Phil, do you really think that you've developed another
 compression which is faster and produces a higher compresion than LZW?  Is
 LZW now as dated as SQz as a commonly used compression method?  Grant
 ---------------

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1604  08-31-88  00:13  (Read 92 times)
    from: PHIL KATZ
      to: GRANT ELLSWORTH (Rcvd)
 subject: R: LZW COMPRESSION  Reply to #1597
      cc: DEAN COOPER

 Grant,

 Well, I'm not really at liberty to talk about this too much
 right now.  There are algorithms that can compress much
 better than any ZLW implementation that I have seen, but they
 also are much slower too.  The trick I guess is then to have
 your cake and eat it too.

 I will also go out on a limb here, and say that the "conventional" ZLW
 implementations that I have seen are quite inefficient in effectively
 re-using or re-assigning codes when the table is full.

 Anyway, I don't think that ZLW is about to be taken over like
 SQueezing was.  Also, I think that perhaps some of the better
 refinements of SQueezing have been overlooked and that SQueezing
 may not be entirely dead.  In any event, I think that future
 techniques might incorporate ideas from SQueezing, ZLW, arithmetic
 encoding, and others, combined synergistically.

 >Phil>

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1609  08-31-88  19:19  (Read 97 times)
    from: THOMAS ZERUCHA
      to: PHIL KATZ (Rcvd)
 subject: NEW PKPAK/UNPAK

 I for one would really appreciate it if you would write an early version of
 *just the unpacker* in a very portable type of C so that the rest of us
 could get it running very quickly for any arbitrary non-pc system.
 Otherwise I hope you have plans to port it to *everything* in existance.
 If there is one thing which the current ARC has over a potential new system
 is PD source so it can be made to work (with some effort) on any machine.
 ---------------

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1611  08-31-88  19:59  (Read 103 times)
    from: PHIL KATZ
      to: THOMAS ZERUCHA (Rcvd)
 subject: R: NEW PKPAK/UNPAK  Reply to #1609

 Thomas,

 >>If there is one thing which the current ARC has over a potential new system
 >>is PD source so it can be made to work (with some effort) on any machine.

 I wouldn't exactly say that!!  It is the contention of one New Jersey
 company that anything that deals with an ARC file in any manner
 requires a license from them, and any software that is even similar
 to theirs when played backwards at 1/2 speed had pretty darn better
 be licensed with them.  They claim that the file format is proprietary,
 and definitely not Public Domain.

 On the other hand, the format for the new software that PKWARE is
 developing will be entered into the public domain, with no restrictions
 placed on other programs that read these new files.

 >Phil>

    conf: FILE COMPRESSION FORUM  #1612  08-31-88  20:06  (Read 110 times)
    from: PHIL KATZ
      to: JIM DUNNIGAN (Rcvd)
 subject: PLANS

 Jim,

 Well, I think it's a little to early for an official product
 announcement or anything, but here's what is currently in
 the works:

 -------------------------------------------------------------
 Caveat:
   This is not an official press release.  This is what
   is currently planned for the new data compression
   software forthcoming from PKWARE.  The information
   provided here is subject to change without notice.

 o  The file format for the new files will be made public.
    Other software can read or write these files without
    restriction.  Additionally, PUBLIC DOMAIN source code
    written in portable C language may be released to
    demonstrate how an applications program can read the
    information contained in a file created with the new
    software.

 o  The software will be concurrently released for MS-DOS,
    VAX/VMS, and Amiga.  (This implies that long filenames
    such as on an Amiga or Unix will be fully supported.)
    OS/2, Unix, and mainframe development is currently being
    investigated.

 o  The (MS-DOS) software will offer both a menu-driven full
    screen interface and a command line interface.

 o  The software will provide significantly better compression
    than the current software, and also offer vastly improved
    reliability for recovering data from damaged and corrupted
    files.

 o  The software will be able to process and traverse
    subdirectories.  The (MS-DOS) software will be able to span
    multiple disks with compressed file collections.
 ---------------

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 Date: 15 Sep 88 13:26:49 GMT
 From: att!mtuxo!rolls!teemc!rphroy!pte![e-mail]  (Chris Rende)
 Subject: Z-80 Unix?

 In his book "The Unix Operating System" Kaare Christian mentions that Unix
 exists for the Z-80. This was a big suprise to me. I didn't know that Unix ran
 on any 8 bit CPU's.

 Does anyone know anything about Unix running on a Z-80?

 car.
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 uunet!edsews!rphroy!pte!car  TRS-80 Model I: Buy Sell Trade
 Motorola VME 1131 M68020
 System V Release 2 v2.2      Precise Technology & Electronics, Inc.

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