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Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 152. 11-19-89 3:44.37 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: Doug Purdy
To: Ray Whidden
Subject: USER DEFINABLE KEY CODES
ALSO SEE: 146.
Hi Ray,
Ctrl/RightShift/LeftArrow then hit any key and see it's code and get a
chance to redefine it? Sounds like you're running that key redefine
program that comes with C128 CP/M as an RSX, or do you just run the .COM
version? Guess that tells everyone I've never used the feature. 8-) It
does sound like a good use for it though.
But I think MEX will let us redefine keys too. So I guess we could use
either way. Why should MEX do this? Well, the backspace key code and
action seems to be one of the more variable things across systems,
especially if you call mainframes. MEX seems to be set up for heavy duty
communications - to handle anything. As usual, the more powerful the
program, the more fun learning how to use it...
Have been using Telix as that's what I've been told to use for the Call
Thru feature here. Telix is the major MS-DOS term in Toronto, everyone
seems able to use it right off. But it seems to me the reason it's so
easy to use is that the programmer set the defaults to a normal MS-DOS
bbs and a low performance one at that. That way you may not get great
speed but at least it works right out of the box.
MEX's defaults seem set to some type of mainframe by my inexperienced
guess. Maybe Compuserve or Genie?
Doug
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 154. 11-19-89 3:46.48 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: Doug Purdy
To: Ray Whidden
Subject: MEX DOC FILE
ALSO SEE: 147.
Sounds like Wordstar 4 is a regular battleship of a program but all I
want is a 5hp trolling outboard and a fishing rod. 8-)
With PaperClip III and WordPerfect 4.2 and 5.0 I've already got more
than enough power. Heck I don't even care if my docs aren't pretty, just
printable.
Why would you want to write an 800k document? That's a 300 page book
isn't it?
Does Wordstar handle the big files well? WordPerfect handles them but
after 2 minutes you break them up into 80-100k chunks so you can finish
this century (unless you own a 25mhz 386). It's funny, QEDIT, an MS-DOS
shareware program, is much better than WordPerfect for my purposes on
files up to 500k. It's the same concept as VDE/ZDE but has 640k to play
in.
Guess if you copied a 500k file to the REU from a 1581 with that
ws a:file1.ext b:
WS4 would be very fast too? You're going to use it to read and reply to
your 512k Dialogue capture logs aren't you?
Doug
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 155. 11-19-89 3:47.21 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: Doug Purdy
To: Ray Whidden
Subject: MEX DOC FILE
ALSO SEE: 147.
Yup, I'm interested in Z3Plus, DosDisk etc. but have to climb out of the
financial wasteland left by the strike.
Also have to get that $130 controller to boost the bbs to 60 megs. And
I'm going to have to register about $200 worth of software for the bbs,
and get a third phone line. Most of these costs will enable us to really
get moving on that "File Exchange Network" concept.
Then there's the Echo and net mail which I should get set up before the
other boards begin to wonder if I'm still interested. BTW, a friend
started an 8 bit Commodore conference last week on the GT net, they
could probably use our help to make that conference a success.
Setting up all this will make it pretty tough to find the time for new
software even if the $$ were growing on trees.
If I don't get things hopping soon, folks may start to think I'll never
be ready. So, I think I should get the bbs clicking first.
But I can read what you folks have to say about your software and make
plans for when I can see daylight again. And I guess that's not so bad.
Doug
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 156. 11-19-89 11:35.16 (RECV'D)
From: Chris Schmidt
To: Doug Purdy
Subject: 1571/81
ALSO SEE: 141, 159, 162.
Yup, I just love the fact that in total I have 1319 Kbytes of storage!!
I think that I am going to try and set my three drivesup so that I can use
them as a central server and link my two 128's to it (hopefully it will
work, I can use that as my major project in electronics!!)
Anyway, now that I have the 1571, Iprobably won't send away for CP/M 1581,
but I would still like to use the 1581 as a mass storage device in CP/M,
is this possible without the $20 (and six month wait!!) upgrade?
Any ideas????
TTYL!!!
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 157. 11-20-89 15:03.47 (RECV'D)
From: Ralph Schwarz
To: Gerry Moss
Subject: CP/M TO CBM
ALSO SEE: 144.
Hi Gerry!
Thanks for the help! This is exactly what I need! By the way, I just
used GEOS 128 V2.0 to write an essay: Love my Mac emulator!
TTYL,
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 158. 11-20-89 18:31.13 (RECV'D)
From: Chris Schmidt
To: Doug Purdy
Subject: CBM -> CP/M
ALSO SEE: 163.
I have downloaded a terminal for the 128 CP/M mode so I could download
directly into CP/M, but it is 2K too many for Xlink!!! Is there another
program that will transfer things over to my CP/M disks from CBM???
Also, how's things going lately? Wonderful weather eh??
Well TTYL!!
P.S. Will Big Blue Reader do the transfer for me? If so I can borrow it
from my science teacher at school and transfer the things over.
Thanks.
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 159. 11-21-89 22:03.29 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: Gerry Moss
To: Chris Schmidt
Subject: 1571/81 AND CP/M SUPPORT
ALSO SEE: 156, 165.
Chris, there were several articles in the Transactor by Miklos Garamszeghy
which included detailed instructions on how to patch CPM+.SYS to read and
write to the 1581. I have made this modification and it works fine for me.
I have no use for the 'native mode' 1581 format, and therefore didn't see
the need to spend more money. i had already bought the DRI package from
Commodore earlier. I'll find the right issues for you if that helps.
Regards, Gerry
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 160. 11-22-89 6:03.05 (RECV'D)
From: Howard Herman
To: Doug Purdy
Subject: BTP, BBR
ALSO SEE: 123, 164.
Doug,
Just like the airline ad on TV, SOGWAP was listening, and apparently
heard your complaint.
I don't know the earlier version, but with the latest, everything is menu
driven, clear and fast!
You are given a directory of the disk from where you want to transfer
stuff. You can cursor up and down, pressing RETURN, (or is it the space
bar, I forget now), at the files you want , and they are highlighted in
reverse video. There is even a key to select _all_ files, and another
one to transfer all except those that you selected, a nice feature when a
disk has loads of files, and you want to transfer all but a few.
Once you've highlighted the files you want transferred, press another
key, and the files are transferred over to your selected formatted disk
en masse! Couldn't be easier.
I have only one "gripe" about the program, and even that is a small one.
There is no way to exit, quit, or leave the program, at least so far as I
can tell, short of doing a hard re-set. With literally hundreds of files
on 3 Megs of disk space, on five drives, I have a menu sys to call up all
the main operating programs. [I don't like disk swapping, and with 5
drives, there is still some, but it is under control.] Some don't exit
too nicely, such as Basic8, and part of the menu sys will clear out these
probs, and let the next selection run okey, so I always find myself at a
menu, after having run one thing or another. The only exception is
BBR128. I have no idea if this was intentional, or an over-sight, and
cannot quite figure out the why of it. Oh well, it does everything it is
supposed to so well, I quess I shouldn't make too big a deal out of it.
Sigh...
BTW, an ad in the latest RUN from SOGWAP says you can update for $18 and
the old disk.
Howie
P.S. It is so easy to use, I often find myself using it for simple CBM
to CBM copying.
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 161. 11-22-89 6:04.33 (RECV'D)
From: Howard Herman
To: Joe Janakovic
Subject: BIG BLUE READER128
ALSO SEE: 118, 171.
Joe,
I live in NYC, so cannot help you out on who is selling BBR128 locally.
SOGWAP advertises it in the latest RUN for $44.95, including shipping.
However, I also saw an ad from Software Support Int'l, for $27.97 [now
why they didn't say $28, and be done with it, is beyond me], and from
their instructions, they will want an additional $4 for shipping.
Hope this helps. BTW, You'll enjoy this one. One of the better things
written for the 128!
Howie
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 162. 11-22-89 9:02.47 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: Doug Purdy
To: Chris Schmidt
Subject: 1571/81
ALSO SEE: 156.
There are various patches around for the 1581 that are free. But if
they're like Jugg'ler 128, you'll have to install (run a program) the
extra disk definition each time you boot CP/M and after each time you use
TRANS128, the PD CP/M<-->MS-DOS file copier, disk formatter.
Trans128 doesn't ask and plops the MS-DOS disk definition into the first
of the 3 extra disk definitions we have in C128 CP/M. If you're using that
for your 1581 disk definition, it gets overwritten.
Doug
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 163. 11-22-89 9:08.13 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: Doug Purdy
To: Chris Schmidt
Subject: CBM -> CP/M
ALSO SEE: 158, 166.
RDCBM brings things in from CBM disks with no fuss, great ease, and I
think any size. It does not work on the 1581 or 1541 (1571 ONLY!) but it
is here and it is PD. (Opps all these things work on the 1750 CP/M ramdisk
M: as well as the 1571.)
If you only have 1 1571 and no 1750, Big Blue Reader is probably the way
to go if it's too big for Xlink. You probably could use a single 1571 if
you don't mind a several pass copy with RDCBM. I'm not sure if it will
work, but you could try copying from A: to E:. E: is the C128 CP/M phantom
disk. It just means switch disks in drive A:. The C128 CP/M operating
system will pause and ask you to switch disks. Haven't used this feature
for a long time so I can't really remember how it works. You would
probably have to take several shots at it the first time as it is a little
confusing getting used to it.
You might find the $20 worthwhile as you would be able to use the 1581
with no hassles at all. If you use a patch, CP/M keeps asking you to
confirm the disk definition before each operation (you have to hit return),
it's not much effort but it's irritating. I'm going to send in my $20 now
I'm off strike and we've heard from Fred Bowen.
Doug
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 164. 11-22-89 9:25.45 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: Doug Purdy
To: Howard Herman
Subject: BTP, BBR
ALSO SEE: 160.
Thank you VERY much Howie!
You finally cleared up my uncertainty on Big Blue Reader. Now I finnally
know for sure I can mark files, then do a one-shot mass copy without
having to deal with each file individually.
Then you tell me I can upgrade for $18 plus the original disk? It's going
in the mail today!
Doug
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 165. 11-22-89 18:09.32 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: Chris Schmidt
To: Gerry Moss
Subject: 1571/81 AND CP/M SUPPORT
ALSO SEE: 159.
ok, thanks Gery, much obliged if you could find them for me.
Thanks again!!!
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 166. 11-22-89 18:12.02 (NO KILL)
From: Chris Schmidt
To: Doug Purdy
Subject: CBM -> CP/M
ALSO SEE: 163, 169.
Ok, thanks, I will download it now and use it to transfer the C128-IMP
over to CP/M and any other things for CP/M I download will be directly to
and/or from CP/M, no more hassels after that!!
Thanks for the help!
Wouldn't it be great if there was a terminal program for the 128 that
would download directly to ANY disk format suppported by the 1571????
Ohwell, dreaming never gets you anywhere, maybe someone will write one
eh???
TTYL!!
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 167. 11-22-89 18:15.47 (NO KILL)
From: Chris Schmidt
To: Doug Purdy
Subject: CP/M AND THE 1581
Forgot to thank you in the last message so just to thank you for your
message on the DRI offer.
Got to go now so See ya later!!!
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 168. 11-22-89 21:35.55 (NO KILL)
From: John Milligan
To: Doug Purdy
Subject: CSDOS FILES
ALSO SEE: 151.
Hi Doug,
I take it then that you do not have password capability for
individual files (like the Punter boards).
I would be interested to know what you have available, how much
stuff are we talking about?
A lot of the CSDOS 'add-ons' are PD anyway, but a new Shell, of
course would not. I have version 1.4, (that goes back a year or two) what
is the lASlatest?
Whatever you decide for distribution is Ok with me.
John
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 169. 11-22-89 21:50.08 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: John Milligan
To: Chris Schmidt
Subject: CBM -> CP/M
ALSO SEE: 166, 178.
Hi Chris,
.....well actually dreams sometimes do come true.
Bobs Term Pro 128, running in 128 native mode, supports the 1571 in
both native mode, and CP/M mode.
From the rumour mill... I hear that Gary Farmaner (author of Dialogue
128) is considering CP/M and MS DOS support for version 3 of Dialogue.
John M
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 170. 11-23-89 11:01.16
From: Ian Hore
To: All
Subject: DIALOGUE 128
ALSO SEE: 172, 176, 177.
I am seeing alot of mess on this program, DIALOGUE 128. Could anyone
tell me where it is avail from???
Thanks....
Ian
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 172. 11-23-89 19:18.24 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: John Milligan
To: Ian Hore
Subject: DIALOGUE 128
ALSO SEE: 170, 182.
Hi Ian,
re: where to get Dialogue.
call Comspec 633-5605 - ask for Jeff Goebel, he will tell you all you
ever wanted to know about Dialogue 128. The price is $60.
John
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 173. 11-23-89 19:21.30 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: John Milligan
To: Gerry Moss
Subject: Z3PLUS
ALSO SEE: 174.
Hi Gerry,
I know you asked Ray, but here's my two cents worth.
Apart from the utilities distributed by ZSystems, I have found
several that I like (all from CRS, of course):
ACOPY - attribute copy. You can SET the attributes of the files you
want copied to Ramdisk to, say F1 then use - ACOPY *.*/1 (or something
like that) to copy the whole bunch. You can then, naturally, change the
attributes of various files to add or subtract what will be copied to M:
on startup.
ZMANG - you have to play around with this one, the docs are a bit
sparse, but if you get VMENU, MENU or FMANG (all of which are older
implementations of the same idea) you can figure out how to set it up. The
concept is similar to the ZFILER approach, but you can easily set up your
own commands to do whatever you wish.
PRINT - I think I still like PR better, but this is the 'official'
Z print utility. Not bad.
QL (Version 4.1) - is still a great utility for Z3
I have an on-going investigation of many other utilities from CRS.
Have you seen Directory 9 - there is a ton of stuff there.
By the way, I assume you already know about ZDE - it is probably
one of the MOST useful Z3 utilities.
Although I don not consider myself an expert by any means on Z3, I
have played around with it a bit, any questions or comments I would be
happy to discuss them.
John
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 174. 11-23-89 19:41.51 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: Gerry Moss
To: John Milligan
Subject: Z3PLUS
ALSO SEE: 173.
Thanks for the feedback, John. I'm going to sign on to CRS later tonight
to d/l those utilities you suggested. I'll keep you posted on how I make
out.
Regards, Gerry
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 175. 11-24-89 12:54.49 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: Ray Whidden
To: Gerry Moss
Subject: Z-SYSTEM
ALSO SEE: 150, 187.
Hi Gerry,
Would love to see a transcript of the Jay Sage conference.
I guess the most helpful things I have got since getting Z3+ have been
the updated versions of things that were included on the disk. However,
talking to John Milligan, who also received a copy from Jay Sage, I
understand that many of these new versions are included on the disks
you/he got. Perhaps what isn't included is the documentation, which in
the CP/M tradition is sometimes huge (I've got all these 100KB doc
files!!!) Briefly, ZFILER, VLU (works better but still not fully
functional, so just for playing with), have tried several shells/history
including SH, LSH/ZERR, SHVAR but I guess the file you should get is
something like ZFILESxx.LST/LZT which gives the latest version numbers for
a rather large list of files. Latest xx is 18, if I recall correctly. I
is a goldmine for figuring out what some of the arcane filenames really do
though I have D/L my share of files just to read the .DOC files and have
used the .COM files. As I am typing this in Dialogue, I cannot check my
boot disk so will leave a followup message with some more of the goodies
that I use. I use Qterm128, which doesn't allow DIR in CP/M3.0, but I
find if I'm fast enough, I can leave a BBS on the phone/modem, exit QT, do
a DIR and reload QT before the other system hangs up on me!!! Can't see
my CP/M DIR from here!! Be back to you. Regards, Ray
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 176. 11-24-89 20:23.05 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: Doug Mair
To: Ian Hore
Subject: DIALOGUE 128
ALSO SEE: 170.
I was into Comspec last week and they had the above on the shelf Ian.
There is also a demo available (with buffer and transfers disabled) that
is probably on this board. *DOUG*
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 177. 11-24-89 21:12.46 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: Eugene Gibas
To: Ian Hore
Subject: DIALOGUE 128
ALSO SEE: 170, 184.
Not sure where you're dialing from so I'm not sure if it's LOCAL to you,
but Gary Farmaner is from T.O. Jeff Goebel at Comspec is also involved.
Their BBS is set up to provide support (#6316073, I THINK! Check vocally
during CIVIL hours, SVP).
There is a DEMO available. I will check here before I quit and U/L it next
time I logon.
P.S. The alternate board is COmspec's own, 633-0185. That number is 2400b,
24 hr, and I'm SURE of.
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 178. 11-25-89 20:25.24 (RECV'D)
From: Chris Schmidt
To: John Milligan
Subject: CBM -> CP/M
ALSO SEE: 169.
Well, Bobs Term Pro sounds good, and I have heard a lot about Dialogue
128. I should get my aprents to pick me up one of them when they goto the
states eh??
Thanks TTYL!!
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 179. 11-25-89 20:38.12 (RECV'D)
From: Chris Schmidt
To: Doug Purdy
Subject: THINGS
ALSO SEE: 180.
A couple of things, Thanks for the help with RDCBM, it worked like a
charm. And I have a big problem right now, I accidentally formatted a disk
that had a program I was working on. It was a fast format, and I
understand that you can recover the data, my question is how and do you
have aprogram that will do it?
I have the disk doctor from TPUG but haven't the faintes idea of how to go
about reconstructing the directory track.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 180. 11-27-89 9:27.41 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: Doug Purdy
To: Chris Schmidt
Subject: THINGS
ALSO SEE: 179, 181.
Not sure whether the disk you accidentally formatted was a CBM 1571, CBM
1541, CBM 1581, CP/M 1571, etc.
A short new on a CBM 1541 would be fixed by writing track 18 sector 1 to
have a forward track and sector pointer of 12,04 according to p 178 of
"Inside Commodore DOS". But 12,04 sounds really strange.
What you are trying to do is to point to the second directory sector (only
the first directory sector and the BAM sector are erased in a short
format). I think the second directory sector would still be on track 18.
Maybe it's in 18,04.
Look around with a disk doctor program till you find the second directory
sector and then change the forward track and sector pointer of sector 18
01 to that.
Doug
P.S. It's a good idea to backup the disk first with a copy protection
copier and work off the copy. Also, in Commodore DOS, if the current
track and sector is 18,01 it would be VERY unusual for the next track and
sector to be 18,02. It almost always jumps afew sectors between each.
There probably is some sort of recurring pattern to it but if files have
been scratched and new ones written a number of times on that disk before
you accidentally short formatted it, then the next track and sector might
any one on the disk that was free at the time, rather than part of a
recurring pattern.
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 181. 11-27-89 20:59.33 (RECV'D)
From: Chris Schmidt
To: Doug Purdy
Subject: THINGS
ALSO SEE: 180, 185, 190.
It was a CBm 1571, as I told you after you replied to the message (I
think)
Anyway, Iam going to learn how to sew everything back tohether and write a
new directory myself, without losing any files other than REL, and maybe
SEQ files which there were none of so it doens't matter.
When I learn how to do this from my science teacher at school, I will
relay that information on to here so everybody can have it.
It is a time consuming process, but if the data is indespensible, then it
will be an invaluble bit of information.
Well TTYL!!
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 185. 11-28-89 22:57.10 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: Doug Purdy
To: Chris Schmidt
Subject: THINGS
ALSO SEE: 181, 189.
AS it's a CBM 1571 disk, "1571 Internals" by Abacus (not a great book)
reveals the directory is essentially the same for a 1571 as for a 1541.
There's an extra part of BAM on side 2 on track 53 and that seems to be
about the only difference according to the book (not sure it's right as
that doesn't match some of my experiences fooling with 1571 disks with
1541 disk software).
In any case, track 18, sector 1 is still the first directory sector. 18,04
is the second and 18t07 the third. The entire directory should be on track
18.
But the 12,04 track and sector pointer is also right. That's just HEX for
18,04 - it's been a while! So you can recover all files on a short
formatted disk by changing the forward track and sector pointers of track
18,01 to 18,04 and you should have all files back but the first 8 that
were in 18,01. Those you have to find the hard way - with a track and
sector map and a program to find track and sector chains (unless you can
find a program that does it automatically - there should be one by now
you'd think).
As in any disk sector, the first 2 bytes are the track and sector pointer
to the next sector. If your disk doctor program uses HEX, make them 12 04.
If it's DECIMAL, 018 004, or whatever format it wants.
Doug
Msg Base: #5 - CP/M and C128
Msg No: 186. 11-30-89 15:41.21 (NO KILL) (RECV'D)
From: Doug Purdy
To: Gerry Moss
Subject: W O C=
ALSO SEE: 188.
Hi Gerry,
Looks like I'll be going to WoC= Friday afternoon too. I'll probably get
there about 1:00 and go to the TPUG booth. As John and Ray are going to be
there about 2:00, I'll probably drop back to the booth about then.
Doug