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This is the introduction to the panel discussion.
Tonight's program is co-sponsored by several groups and I'm going to
ask the panelists to make their weary way up here and take seats behind
the table as I will. By the way, Mike Bartell is furnishing the sound
engineering tonight and the deserves a round of applause.
We have a very distinguished group of people up here tonight. I'll
strart on my right - Jay Sage, who most of you know already is the ZCPR
guru and programmer and who has done many programs here for the user
group and has done a lot of teaching. Jay is an analog device
physicist. I imagine that we should do more in general about telling
what our members do when they're not being members of this user group.
I'm always curious to know what their occupations are. I assumed that
Jay was a professional computer programmer or user of some sort but he
is an analog device physicist at MIT's Lincoln Labs. He builds analog
integrated circuits, as he tells me, and in fact he is anti-digital!
Jay began working in CP/M in 1979 which is an entire generation ago as
computer time flies. He has been as a hobbyist first I guess, or a
hacker, and more recently in a comercial way, working particularly with
ZCPR in its evolution to the current state of the art which is ZCPR3.3
which Jay has just finished writing 2 weeks ago for Echelon Software of
which Jay is now a partner.
Next to me is Jim Byron who anybody who has ever spent time on CP/M
bulletin boards knows the file BESTPROG.JWB which is listing of the
best CP/M public domain programs. He put it out about every 6 months.
It's a very useful listing, I don't know if there is a corresponding
listing on MSDOS boards, but at one time there was such a proliferation
of utilities and other kinds of programs appearing in CP/M and now in
MSODS, that you were always hard-pressed to figure out, say which
housekeeping utility you wanted to download. If it was a housekeeping
utility you didn't have too much of a problem because those are pretty
small but some programs get pretty large and you don't want to be
downloading entire libraries or in DOS, ARC files only to find that
it's not the program you want. Well Jim was willing to spend the time
to sift throughwhat was going on and to consult with other Sysops and
he has been the person who for years now has been writing this
BESTPROG.JWB, which all big bulletin boards have carried. Jim is a
pathologist, another non-computer specialist, at the Harvard Medical
School and specializes in tropical diseases. ( I hope they're non-
communicable.)
???:
He's had a lot of experience in de-bugging!
LEE:
He too started around 1978 with CP/M computers and has had a good deal
of experience in public domain software, but not as a programmer.
You are a programmer too?
JIM:
In the laboratory and system work.
LEE:
I see. Next to me is Carl Radov. Carl has special place in my heart. He's a
member of of the Osborne group and for along time was the public domain
librarian of the Osborne group - or co-librarian. When this group got
started , I don't know how many of you realize it but we started as a subset
- not even that - just kind of a nit-picking, noise-making clack of
computer-users who had this thing called a Kaypro in the Osbourne user-group
meetings. We had no other place to go. When we finally made so much noise
that they kicked us out and we had to find our own meeting place, we decided
we could no longer use the Osborne library and had to have our own. And
Carl Radov was nice enough to furnish us a complete copy of their public
domain library for a weekend and about six of us spent the entire weekend at
Bob Waters house copying all the disks - half of which we never used. But
that was the start of the public domain library that ?????? is now resigning
from. Carl is an economist and a consultant - that means he's a free-lance
economist I guess in both the public and the private sector witha
specialization in real estate and city planning. He began working with
computers, first with main-frame computers and then around 1981 with micro-
computers. That's still a very long time ago in this world. He became a
member of the Osborne group. He now uses both CP/M and DOS computers. He
still uses his Ozzie.
Next to Carl is Bob Freed who is member of this group. He is the one who did
all the program work on our bulletin board. Bob is a public domain
programmer in his own right who is known for a specific program called ...
BOB:
Unarc.
LEE:
an irreplaceable program in CP/M which will take apart an MSDOS ARC file so
you can donwload only one file from it instead of the whole 538K (at 300
baud). Bob is the only person here who is really a computer person
professionally - he's an independent software consultant who specializes in
microprocessor design and computer graphics and the interface between those
two fields. He began working with CP/M in 1980 or 1981 - he can't remember
and worked with the Zilog Z80 before that. So he has been with CP/M as long
as most of the others here and certainly longer than I.
And finally Gerry Buzzell from the Commodore Group. Some people don't
realize that Commodore makes a computer called the 128 which actually runs
CP/M programs if you say the magic word and put the magic disk in. Gerry is
an electrical engineer with 16 years in an interactive computer graphic
terminal company called IMLAC. I don't know how long you've been running
your Commodore CP/M but it can't be very long.
GERRY:
Since early '86.
LEE:
Was that when you started in CP/M?
GERRY:
Yes.
LEE:
OK.
So let me just tell you what the format is tonight. We are going to have
each of these gentlemen say a few things - in Jay's case actually appear
twice and started with Jim Byrom to give us an over-view of the history and
culture of CP/M. And when it'sover I'm going to ask the panelists to ask
questions of each other if they so desire - to have a discussion up here and
then to entertain questions from the audience. So I would ask you, if you
have questions, please write them down because this is going to be a fairly
long and varied program and you may forget the first question when you get
to the second one. So write them down and have them ready. And I'll ask Jim
Byrom to lead off.