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Issue #272
December 28, 1992
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Today's topics:
Bass necks
RE: The Bottom Line #268
Guild Pilot / 'BergerspecMo
T-shirt suggestions
Kai Eckhardt Clinic
Summa Cumma Fiat Lux?
RE: T-shirt slogan, how silly can we get
Used Stick sighting
Christmas Gig - T Shirts
RE: T-shirt slogan, how silly can we get
thanks again
RE: The Bottom Line #270
Stick Discography
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Administrative notes:
Here's a surprisingly large issue for all you people not on holiday break.
Also, a gentle reminder to please check the addresses at the top of the
digest before you send a posting! Send posts to bass@uwplatt.edu please.
Enjoy!
Erik
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 01:55:21 EST
From: nathan@hilbert.biology.YALE.EDU
Subject: Bass necks
> I like the Steinberger neck, particularly the width and
> the depth (sorry, I don't know the proper terms, it's sort
> of narrower and rounder than some other necks), and the
> balance.
I guess it just goes to show you can't please all the people
all the time: I absolutely hate the Steinburger necks!
Four years ago I decided to take up electric fretless bass
to supplement my keyboard and guitar playing. I had read
tons of product literature from Steinburger. I thought
the (then) new M-series instruments looked much better
than the original small- bodied instruments. I hopped on
a train to the Big Bad Apple and spent the afternoon at the
wonderful instrument stores on 48th (is that right?)
street. At Sam Ash they had exactly one black M-series
fretless 4-string - like it was waiting just for me. I was
practically in a trance as the obnoxious salesman handed
that baby to me. I strapped it on, desperately hoping I
wouldn't make a fool of myself playing this beast. I
plugged in, wrapped my hand around the neck....and
around, and around.... gads, that neck felt like it was a
baseball bat with strings! Arrrrggggg - the dream was
dead.
I went next door to Manny's, fell in love with a Guild Pilot
4-string fretless, and took my new baby home. Now that's a
neck: thin, narrow, and silky smooth on the back. I still
have the Guild, although it's a love-hate relationship
these days. The EMG active pickups are so incredibly
clear sounding...too clear sometimes, damnit! Hello
Mr. Tube Driver - time to crank that 12AX7 and add some
filth to the sound....
Anyone have tips for adjusting the truss rod on a Pilot?
The hex nut in hidden at an awkward angle on the headstock,
and there is no clearance room to get a wrench around the
nut!
---
Nathan Janette
PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu
Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 10:59:23 GMT
From: Barry Rowlingson <maa017@central1.lancaster.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: The Bottom Line #268
Hi all,
So Steinberger Basses are made by a relative of Jack Steinberger the
Nobel prize winner eh?? If only I was a bass player a few years ago,
when I was working on Jack's experiment in Geneva as a PhD student!!
Perhaps he could have got one cheap for me...
Instead (commence introductory posting, even though I've posted little
things before) I play a...
Gherson (Fender Jazz-style) 4-string bass.
Legend has it that it was the bass used by the support band for
Shalamar, a little known jazz-funk band of the late seventies.
I have a small Marshall bass amp for practice, and a borrowed 100W HH
thing for playing with the drummer...
Also a cheap midi-synth for conenction to my atari and a black Les
Paul-copy guitar that my dad found on a rubbish tip. All it needed was a
new bridge.
I've had the bass for just over a year now, previously I played keyboards
with a friend on guitar, and he said 'If we're gonna make this into a
band we need someone on bass' - so I bought one. We then found a drummer,
another guitarist, a REAL keyboard player - all extremely talented
individuals - but unfortunately they nearly all had very busy families
and jobs to support. Not to mention the unfortunate affair one of the
guitarists had with one of the singers - but I wont mention that...
We get together very occasionally, and find other musicians to come and
jam. All very informal and I don't think we'll be gigging anywhere. Its
just for fun!
However, I'd like to get a more serious band together, playing
blues/rock/funk. Anyone got any ideas for getting it together? I can
start looking for musicians when the students come back in three weeks...
Anyway, enough rambling from me. I have some suggestions for the T-shirt
slogan:
" Catch some Bass in your Net "
" E-A-D-G spells Bass " (no offense meant to 5 and 6 stringers!)
Barry
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Date: 24 Dec 92 08:25:08 U
From: Oz Barron <oz_barron@pharlap.com>
Subject: Guild Pilot / 'BergerspecMo
Guild Pilot / 'BergerspecMod...
Hi Folks! For those of you in MA, there is an open Mike/Jam at the Red Star
Lunch on Concord St in Framingham on Wednesday Nights. If you go, say hi to
Stacey, Cheryl, Harry and Chuck for me!
I went there last night and played Cheryl's Guild Pilot 5-String and I thought
I'd give you my quick reaction.
It was white, fretted, with a rosewood fingerboard. I think it's active EQ
(sorry, I busy learning tunes :-)). The action is very nice. The first
impression was COMFORT! Both Cheryl and I had the same impression, which was
that the bass is very balanced and comfortable. The sound (through a Peavey
TNT 150) was very balanced. I did some very quick tweeking of the amp and the
bass and got a sound that as deep but with enough definition in the highs for
me to do my wierd stuff in the upper registers.
I was not impressed by the tone control as I feel there was not much variation
in the sound (this MAY have been due to the room). I was a little annoyed to
find it had two volumes for the two J-type pickups instead of a balance. IMHO,
two volumes was a mistake on the Fender Jazz, and it's still a mistake. (flame
over)
Over all though, I must say that the bass played very well, was very
comfortable and had a good deep but defined sound, even under the far from
ideal room. (but, ain't that where we usually play?)
Annette: Other basses like the 'Berger: Try the Modulus Graphite as these
actually license the material to Steinberger. And, as you probably have heard
from Specter lovers everywhere, Stu's NS-2, is VERY expensive.
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 16:45 GMT
From: "William C. Ryan" <0003647569@mcimail.com>
Subject: T-shirt suggestions
I favor doing all shirts at the same time by the same shirt company, so that if
I ever see one of you guys in the DC area, I'll know to keep my distance.
But, seriously,
"The Bottom Line...
where the action is"
"The Bottom Line...
keeping a tab on Bass playing"
"Keep a tab on Bass
with The Bottom Line"
BRyan
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 10:56:19 PST
From: mikes@sol.metaware.com
Subject: Kai Eckhardt Clinic
I appreciated the last few clinic reviews posted here. So,
in that spirit:
Kai Eckhardt (formerly John McLaughlin's bass player) presented a
clinic here in Watsonville CA. I wanted to check him out since
jimlynch posted here that Kai may be accepting students soon {thanks
for the post jim!}. This clinic was a surprise compared to the last
two (James Earl and Victor Wooten)! Kai spent more time talking about
the art of playing than demonstrating technique.
We all sat on the floor of an empty real-estate office and watched Kai
play the obligitory opening solo (no drum machine or metro). He seemed
to purposfully leave out the mind numbing speed runs and slap techniques
and opted for a heart-felt, on the spot improv of "how things felt". Some
scale work, some slap with a taste of the Steps Ahead solo, and some odd
percussive stuff that didn't really seem to work well (hey, he tried..).
Kai played with his eyes closed. After that he set the bass down and
impressed upon us the importance of our personal expression through
the instrument being of highest importance, how not to let the ego-monster
destroy your art, and the importance of closing out everything but the music.
After having a poor volunteer play quarter notes for five minutes straight,
Kai demonstrated all the scales/modes he remembered and played them in just
about every time signature while he had us all clap 5/4, 4/4, 7/8. and 3/4.
Another memorable demonstration included a player from the audience
who grooved a simple pattern until someone called out an addition based
on "how the room felt". Kai was insistant on clear communication of
musical ideas before allowing the playing to continue. Good demo.
The session ended with Kai jammin with other players (one other fellow,
then myself).
Summary of the clinic: Heartfelt, humble, wordy, inspiring, non-climactic,
and pleasantly different... I'd recommend it.
-Michael Stebbins
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 11:02:08 PST
From: mikes@sol.metaware.com
Subject: Summa Cumma Fiat Lux?
Can anyone translate a clever Bass slogan into Latin?
I also lean towards a slogan that indicates a civilized mind.
Even though mine isn't ;)
-Michael Stebbins
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 12:36:09 -0800
From: jimlynch@netcom.com
Subject: RE: T-shirt slogan, how silly can we get
We Write The Bottom Line!
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 12:56:16 CST
From: moliere!pmk@uunet.UU.NET
Subject: Used Stick sighting
If you're looking for a Chapman Stick, there's a used one for sale
at a consignment shop here in Minneapolis. It's graphite, s/n 1922.
It appeared to be in good condition to me, though set up with action
way too high.
If interested, give Bruce Balgaard a call at Hi-Tech Consignments,
612-822-7602. The owner is asking US$599.
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 17:00 GMT
From: Stuart Mawby <0005004069@mcimail.com>
Subject: Christmas Gig - T Shirts
Well, in the spirit of Christmas, my girlfriend and I decided to play
together for our church's Christmas Eve service.... These things should
not be taken lightly. ;-)
We played 'The Coventry Carol' in three part harmony; I played the two
bottom parts and she played (alternately) the soprano and alto voice
parts on her flute. Quite nice sounding when we don't mess up royally.
There is something about a quiet crowd: maybe it is the way that they
just sit there and pay attention... It's very unnerving! I guess I am
just used to drunk and raucous bars.
Now to add my two cents to the T-Shirt thing....
Jack Jansen suggests that we each download a copy of the logo and have a
shirt made up on whatever color we so choose..... a good idea, but around
here, the charge is greatly increased on the basis of screen make-up. The
situation may be different over there.... Perhaps we should have someone
in Europe handle distribution on that side of the ocean; it would probably
save a lot of people a lot of money. Ideas?
I don't have any original ideas for the slogan, but I do like four of the
ones sent directly to the list by Fred (or Frank?):
20,000 Leagues under the 'C'
40 Hertzmen of the Apocalypse
The Bottom Line--We Reach New Lows Every Day
(and with some slight modification)
Ask me about my Bottom Line
Sorry If there are more typos than normal, I am calling from someone
else's computer....
- Stuart
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 19:41:10 EST
From: rrathgeb@ultrix.ramapo.edu
Subject: RE: T-shirt slogan, how silly can we get
Hi Fred,
Your definately on the right track! Or on thr right string!
Sorry, the jokes keep getting worse........
-ROB
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 12:40:20 EST
From: shinh@nmr-r.MGH.Harvard.Edu
Subject: thanks again
Hi Everyone,
It's the day after Christmas, and I just finished
reading a *bunch* of Bottom Lines. Thanks to everybody
who replied to my ramblings about Warmouth, and bass
lustings... I'm not sure what I'm going to do about
a new bass yet, though.
Another set of data points:
My current teacher has a Warmouth five string
Jazz bass with EMG pickups. It really sounds
*amazing*. However, several of his students have ordered
the exact same parts and stuff, but have ended up with
basses that were nice, but didn't sound as good. I'm
not sure why this is, but maybe my teacher's bass is one
of those special ones...
I really want to get a new bass...
In the meantime, I'm trying to make my Hohner Steinberger
clone as nice as I can. One of the things that I really didn't
like about my bass was the fact that I had a laquered
finish on the back of the neck. Well. I decided to get some
wet/dry sandpaper and scuff up the finish some. I got some
600 grit, taped off the parts that I wanted to leave glossy,
sanded to my heart's content, and voila! Satin finish! (kinda)
It actually turned out a lot better than I thought it would.
My bass plays a lot nicer now; no more thumb dragging for me!
-Shin
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 14:59:03 EST
From: jfw@neuro.duke.edu
Subject: RE: The Bottom Line #270
andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com wrote:
> I once listened to a band whose bassist was playing an *Alembic.
> Between sets, I passed him at the bar. The guy stank.
>
> [ Wow, I'm speechless. Rebuttal? bass-mgr ]
I'm sorry; it wasn't because of the bass, it was just me. I hadn't had
a shower in a week.
:-) John
________________________________________________________________________
| John jfw@neuro.duke.edu Duke University Medical Center |
| Whitehead jfw@well.sf.ca.us Department of Neurobiology |
|________________________________________ Durham, North Carolina ________|
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 15:58:21 CST
From: Chuck Ivy <cei@math.UH.EDU>
Subject: Stick Discography
I am in the process of updating the discography of recordings including use
of Chapman Stick. An older version of the discography is available via ftp
from cs.uwp.edu in the /pub/music/discog/s directory. The new version I'm
working on will be of the following format:
ARTIST (or GROUP):
TITLE:
STICK PLAYER:
SONGS
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [time ]
MUSICIANS:
<release date> <medium> <country> <label> <catalog#>
If you know of any recordings, be they major or independent releases, that
are not included on the old version of the list, please let me know by emailing
as much of the above information to cei@math.uh.edu
Thanks.
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