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Issue #260
November 24, 1992
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Today's topics:
RE: Anybody ever heard of....
RE: #259, Backup Amp
Low End/Lee Sklar
the great jazz bassist...
Gear questions
My first time.
Corrections to tab
Question on Muzz Skillings
Ampeg Amps
RE: servo-drive speakers
RE: Anybody ever here of... (that's "_hear_ of")
Otiel Burbridge?
String Bass shops?
detuners
Hohners
Hipshot D-Tuner Comments
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Administrative notes:
The issue following this will contain the first ever electric bass
Frequently Asked Questions List, as compiled by doug@arizona.edu.
Thanks very much, Doug! Your efforts are appreciated.
Comments about the FAQL should go to Doug, not Erik or I. I'm sure
he's looking forward to all the suggestions you might have.
The list is also available at the ftp site under the directory
/pub/bass/faql.
Kevin
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 23:23:21 -0500
From: mjkobb@media-lab.mit.edu
Subject: RE: Anybody ever heard of....
Greetings!
Roman Richardson writes:
>Has anybody ever heard of Otiel Burbridge? He plays with Col. Bruce
>Hampton & The Aquarium Rescue Unit. I have never heard of this guy.
>[raves deleted]
This is the other thing I forgot to mention when relating my
post-show talking with Victor Wooten. He mentioned this band, and
said, "If you ever get the chance to see them, GO!!!" Now that's a
recommendation!
--Mike
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 07:07:45 PST
From: 21-Nov-1992 0959 <rost@tecrus.ENET.dec.com>
Subject: RE: #259, Backup Amp
>Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:33:35 EST
>From: shinh@nmr-r.MGH.Harvard.Edu
>Subject: cheap backup amps
>Does anyone out there have any suggestions for cheap
>backup amps? I'm leaning toward tube because my main
>amp is a GK. I was thinking about Fender Bassman amps,
>as well as an Ampeg B-15s/n/etc... I'm not looking for a ton
>of power, but I want something that is relatively durable,
>and of course, sounds good. Any hints?
>Oh, and my cab is a Hartke 4x10.
Easy, Fender Bassman. I've used one as a backup amp for years. Really
reliable, decent tone, and *every* repairman knows how to fix one. You should
be able to get by for $100-150, and they are *everywhere*.
Some other things to look into if you run across 'em: Ampeg B-25 or V-4B heads
if they are *cheap enough* are great (but *heavy*). Skip the B-15 series as
they are combos (although they do sound nice), much lower power and somewhat
collectible (therefore expensive). Also if you see a Traynor BassMaster or a
Sunn tube bass head (200S, Sonaro) these can be even cheaper than the Fender
and sound good too.
You'll probably be able to get close to the sound you have now with almost any
of these amps. You may notice them not as tight on the low end, and probably a
lot "thicker" sounding due to the tubes.
Brian Rost
rost@tecrus.enet.dec.com
508-568-6115
DEC, Hudson, MA
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"There's too many hands in your persimmon pie, when one hand is my desire"
-Roosevelt Sykes
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 04:03:56 EST
From: psunspot@aol.com
Subject: Low End/Lee Sklar
Thanks to everyone who's been giving me replies about Low End. I'm thinking
of maybe a Bag End 18" Cab that's only $660 list; hoping to get it around
$400. By the way, anyone in the Greater Los Angeles Area should mosey on
down to the Bass Centre in Studio City for a long awaited clinic on the 24th
with none other than Leland Sklar! They've finally got him after 3 years of
trying. To see the man who authored the bass line from "Whenever I See Your
Smiling Face" will be an experience to behold.
psunspot@aol.com
[ Oops, sorry, this issue came out a little late for this announcement.
Hope the clinic went well! Bass Mgr. ]
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 22:33:12 EST
From: brian1127@aol.com
Subject: the great jazz bassist...
Well, if you're into jazz and haven't heard by now...I'm sad to report the
passing of one of jazz music's finest...bassist & composer Keith "Red"
Mitchell died at 6:53pm on November 8th. He was 65 and had just this year
moved back to the United States (Salem, Oregon) after living the past 20
years in Stockholm. Red won two Swedish equivalents of the Grammy award, and
played with many great jazz artists, including Chet Baker, Billie Holiday,
Joe Pass, Harry "Sweets" Edison, Dizzy Gillespie, Gerry Muligan and Kenny
Baron. Red has left us with a wide amount of recordings so as not to forget
him (65 under his leadership) here's some of which I highly reccommend:
TRIO (Capri)-recorded in 1989 with pianist Jimmy Rowles
TWO OF A MIND (ITI)-recorded in 1982 with pianist Bill Mays
RED MITCHELL TALKING (Capri)-recorded in 1990 with pianist Kenny
Barron at Rudy Van Gelder's studio
ALONE TOGETHER (Dragon)-recorded in 1989 with pianist Roger Kellaway
FINALLY (Verve)-an ironic choice for his most current release, recorded with
guitarist Joe Pass
INTRODUCING RED MITCHELL (Contemporary)-recorded in the late 50's
Red had a great sense of melody and harmony, this combined with the
non-standard tuning (C-G-D-A) he used on the bass gave him one of the most
individual voices in jazz. As a person, Red was extremely kind to others,
always supportive of other musicians and a true gentleman. He will be
missed.....
A memorial fund has been set up, if you would like to contribute please send
it to:
Red Mitchell Memorial Fund
First Interstate Bank, Liberty-Skyline Branch
P.O. Box 13087
Salem, Oregon 97309
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 3:33:28 -0500 (EST)
From: SEIDENBERG@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU
Subject: Gear questions
I am a bass player in an acoustically driven rock and roll band with
a few decisions ahead and I was looking for some suggestions. Currently
I have both a Fender Jazz and Ibanez Musician basses. I play these
through a GK 400 RB head and a Hartke 410 cabinet. I recently purchased
an octave pedal which comes in handy on certain points as well. My
questions revolved around two different areas, I am looking to get an
effects unit and am I looking for a few suggestions. Basically I am
looking for your basic reverbs, flanges, choruses, etc. What I was thinking
of getting was an Alesis Quadraverb and a DBX compress/limiter and running
both of them together. Does anybody run this? Can anyone suggest any
other effects units which run around $500 or so. How is ART equipment? I
j
heard that they are very noisy, is this the case?
Secondly, I am looking into buying an acoustic-electric bass. I presume
that Martin or Guild are the best brands. What brand is good for the
money and quality but not top of the line? Ovation, Hohner? Basically I want
to spend about $500 to $600.
Any thoughts on the above would be greatly appreciated. I should mention
that I live in the New York City area, so if anybody is looking to sell
any equipment in this area, please let me know.
Thanks.
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:35:00 +0000
From: "Oliver (O.R.) Sampson" <olsam@bnr.ca>
Subject: My first time.
Hello everyone,
I've just subscribed so I'll say a little about myself and move
on to my appropriate comments.
Gear: Charvel Model 2 (4 strg), ADA MB-1, Alesis Quadraverb, BBE
411 Sonic Maximaizer, Ramsa Power (soon to be changed) and
an old Peavy 4x12 (also soon to be changed)
Influences: Billy, Geddy, Stu, Les, Steve Harris, (.etc)
although now I find myself listening to James Jamerson,
Fishbone, Flea, and more groove stuff.
D-Tuner: I used to have one on my old B.C Rich Warlock. I had
no problems installing it or using it. After about 3 years
of use (lots and lots of gig sweat near it) it finally
rusted and corroded and died. I haven't had the cash to
pick up a new one yet but I will. I had transplanted the
D-tuner from my Warlock to my Charvel about 3 months before
D-tuner bought the farm and had no troubles installing it
on my Charvel either.
Col. Bruce Hampton and the Aquarium Rescue Unit: I first heard
of these guys about 6-8 months ago. A drummer friend of
mine was raving about them. I listened to them and my jaw hit
the floor. Absolutely, a must listen for a musician, not
just bass players. They played here in Raleigh, NC a couple
of months ago, and I was not quite prepared for what I saw.
He plays a 6 string fretted and slaps, taps, and fingers,
his way through some monster grooves. He may also be the
finest Scat singer I've ever heard. They're playing here
again on Nov. 27, 28 at Easy Street in Raleigh. Check 'em
out, I'll be there.
Oliver
BNR. Inc.
olsam@bnr.ca
"The opinions stated in this letter are the opinions solely of
the author and in no way are a reflection of the opinions of BNR,
Inc. (I'm not sure if BNR likes Col. Bruce and the ARU.)"
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 14:03:19 MST
From: Erik Habbinga <habbinga@csn.org>
Subject: Corrections to tab
Hi all,
After reading through the tab this weekend, I found some errors (my
reputation is shattered! :) ) In Day on the Beach by Joe Satriani, the
eleventh measure should look like this:
----14---14---16---16---14---------------
----14---14---17---17---14---------------
--7-----7----7----7----7-----------------
-5-----5----5----5----5------------------
And, in the Christmas Song (Chestnuts) by Mel Torme, measure 20 should look
like this:
------------------------------------------
-17----------17---------------------------
-15-15----15----15-14-15------------------
-17----17---------------------------------
Sorry for the mistakes!
Erik
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:55:27 -0500
From: "Scott A. Clasen" <bass@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Question on Muzz Skillings
Hello
I was listening to living colour's first album, vivid, the other day.
I heard some bass playing that I had to ask about. When he is slaping, he
sometimes does a few sixteenth note pops in a row, and it sounds really cool.
My question is how does he do this, does he pop with multiple fingers, or is
he just really fast. I've tried to cop this technique both ways, and I cant
do it either way. So if anyone knows how he does this, please let me know.
thanks-
Scott Clasen
bass@wam.umd.edu -or- mf38@umd5
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 08:43:49 EST
From: arte@inmet.camb.inmet.com
Subject: Ampeg Amps
Gregg Sartiano mentions that the mid-70's Ampeg tube amps were rated fairly
conservatively WRT power ratings. I had heard this before from disinterested
music store owners (i.e., I wasn't shopping, just asking questions), but never
really knew first hand until I bought a 1974 V4B head used from a guy on the
net.
He touted this head as the little brother of the SVT because it had only four
power tubes (I thought the SVT had 8, not 6; but I've never really looked at
one up close) and it was only rated at 100W thorough any impedance (it has a
switch to select 2-, 4-, or 8-ohm impedance, presumably to match the circuitry
with the load, such that you always get the 100W).
Well, before the Ampeg, I had played through a 100W Kustom combo, a 210W
Peavey head, and the Fender BXR300 combo (which is supposedly 300W if you use
an extension cab (which I did)). To put it bluntly, the Ampeg head kicked
every one of these amps' ass by a ratio of almost 2-1 (the most amazing
being the Fender amp which supposedly has three times as much power!)
The best thing about this amp is it's beautiful low-end punch (as noted by
Gregg). And it's EQ is so simple to use, I'd almost call it elegant. As I see
it the only drawback is that the high end isn't that great and it can't handle
some of the latest active preamp technology (the signal's too hot and the
bass boost just turns the sound to mud). Of course, back in 1974, people
only slapped their bass when it was bad (pun intended), and I doubt if anyone
ever heard of active pickups (let alone onboard preamps). However, these
beasts must be the best amps around for doing heavy rock stuff and blues (I
always thought the Fender Bassman too boomy and not as well defined in the
bottom end department).
The disinterested store owner told me that my 100W head could be rated at
over 400W based on the "new" rating models (and he implied that with distortion
it could approach 600W (although I'm not sure what he meant by this)). If my
head is only rated at 100W and can get that kind of power, I cringe when I
think of the sonic capabilities of the 350W SVT head.
Of course, anyone who has Ampeg equipment knows the tradeoff for this monstrous
power. You need a freight truck (or at least a very strong back) to move these
things. My bass HEAD is the heaviest piece of equipment that the band has (it's
even heavier than our guitarists' 75-100W combo amps!)
-- Arte Kenyon
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 10:18:31 EST
From: bobdavis@viewlogic.com
Subject: RE: servo-drive speakers
(followup to Larry Stephens question about these items)
Check out recent issues of MIX magazine; this company is always
advertizing there.
If you are thinking of the motor-and-belt-driven bass units -- as I
think you are -- you should be aware that these are subwoofers ONLY,
and are intended for use in large stage systems, to replace the huge
walls-of-subs typically used. Their appeal is HUGE effeciency and
power handling, at very low frequencies only. Read REAL LOUD THUMPING
BASS. I've only heard of rock stadium tours using these.
Unless you have your own roadie, lugging these to gigs would not be
fun, or recommended. I haven't done a sonic comparison under
controlled conditions (anyone put em in yer bedroom? :-)) -- to see if
they sound better or worse than a good conventional subwoofer for bass
in normal rooms/halls, but the bottom line is they are totally
unnecessary almost all the time (until you do stadium tours, and then
the sound people will handle it for you). :-) Wait, am I seriously
discussing this?...
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 08:56:50 -0700
From: John Friedman <friedman@col.hp.com>
Subject: RE: Anybody ever here of... (that's "_hear_ of") Otiel Burbridge?
> Has anybody ever heard of Otiel Burbridge? He plays with Col. Bruce
> Hampton & The Aquarium Rescue Unit. I have never heard of this guy.
> He's Amazing!
Agreed! He is fantastic.
> I mean, I've been listening to Stu, Geddy, Les, and Mr.
> Wooten (respectfully) and I have never heard anything like this
> Burbridge guy!
Now, now - let's not start to exaggerate. Otiel is one of the most
impressive players I've seen lately, but to write off these others
in comparison is a bit excessive.
> His solo, and the whole song actually, on "Working On
> A Building" is THE most impressive slap I have ver heard.
Again, it is impressive work, but "THE most impressive ... ever?" I
have to reserve judgement one this one!
> Far as I
> can hear he plays a 5 or 6 string fretless, and the guy's sound is so
> damn clean!
He mostly plays a 6 string Modulus (fretted), but he also plays a
Yamaha 5 string, which I believe is the axe he uses for "Working on
a Building."
> His pops are absolutely textbook material. And his speed
> dusts both Les and Victor.
Here we go again... Maybe you ought to do a little experiment. Get
your Flecktones, Primus and ARU recordings, and a metronome and get
back to us. Or maybe you should just take a cold shower. Blanket
statements like these just drive me crazy. "Dusts both Les and
Victor...?!?" Hello?!?
> Actually, everyone in the band is pretty amazing...awesome jazz jam
> kind of music.
Actually, I would describe them as a very tight blues based band with
super technical deviations in many directions, mostly bebop. They are
all extremely talented musicians - bass, drums, guitar, mandolin, and
Colonel Bruce Hampton on tenor guitar and lead vocals.
> A friend of mine said that he saw them when they
> opened in for Phish in Minneapolis.
I saw them recently (headlining) and was thoroughly impressed - I couldn't
take my ears or eyes off Otiel. I was glued to the stage for most of the
show. Their ability to vary the feel in this live situation did not
compare to that of their CD (which is live also, by the way), however.
Two to three hours of ARU became a bit tiresome.
> Roman Richardson | "Funny thing about weekends when you're
> St. Olaf College | unemployed -- they don't mean quite
> Northfield, MN 55057 | so much...except you get to hang out
> (507) 646-2258 | with your workin' friends" - Les Claypool,
Primus
John
friedman@col.hp.com
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 10:11:32 PST
From: Preston Carter <carter@hpdmsbja.pa.itc.hp.com>
Subject: String Bass shops?
For the purpose of compiling a FAQ list, I'd like to pose the following
questions to readers:
In your area, where would you go to buy a string bass?
In your area, where would you go to get a string bass repaired?
If it's practical, we'll publish the collected answers to these
questions in the upcoming String Bass FAQL.
Also please let me hear about any other notable string-bass resources
you think would be interesting to our little group.
Thanks.
[ Please reply directly to Preston. Thanks, Bass Mgr. ]
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| Preston Carter Hewlett Packard Corporate Offices |
| carter@hpdmsbja.pa.itc.hp.com Product Generation Processes Group |
| 1 -857-2152 1501 Page Mill Road MS 4UR |
| 415-857-2152 Palo Alto, CA 94304 |
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Date: 24 Nov 92 24:06
From: H.R.Lewis@acoustics.salford.ac.uk
Subject: detuners
Dear fellow bassists,
I was reading the article in issue 259 I think
about fitting a hipshot to a B.C.Rich. I own a MusicMan Stingray 4 and
a in the same position.The headstock on my bass is so small that the
only Hipshot that I have seen won't fit.Does anybody out there know if
Hipshot (or any other company for that matter), make a detuner that
would suffice? I'm in no position to fork out for a five-string at the
moment so any help would be appreciated.
Yours waiting to reach a low D
Hywel Lewis
(Salford University,England)
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 14:00:20 EST
From: shinh@nmr-r.MGH.Harvard.Edu
Subject: Hohners
To all you Hohner players out there:
(I know you're out there, cheap people like me 8-)!)
I recorded for the first time with my Hohner B2-V (5 string
Steinberger copy), and I was both surprised and pleased to
find that it sounded great! I went direct to the board, which
was a little old, but functional. (It was a Trident 24 track, for
those who care) I had old strings, but I had boiled them, cleaned them
with Dawn(tm) dishwashing liquid, and finished them off with
rubbing alcohol. Can you tell I like bright bass? Anyhow,
my Hohner has passive pickups, so I expected my sound to be honky
at best. I turned both pickups up to ten, left the tone at ten (always)
and lo and behold, I had a terrific sound!
I know some Hohners came with EMGs. I expext those sound wonderful,
but it's nice to know that your passive pickups are ok...
On another note: Am I the only Hohner player that gets
grief for playing an instrument made by a company
famous for harmonicas?
-Shin
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 16:19 EST
From: GRSARTIANO@apollo.davidson.edu
Subject: Hipshot D-Tuner Comments
From what I can gather, they make two types: one to fit Fender
basses, and one to fit Music Man basses, or something like
that. The salesman put mine on when I bought it, and it
took a grand total of 10 minutes, most of which was spent
setting the tuner so it would hit an in-tune "D" when I
flipped the lever. It's actually pretty easy to work.
He also said that the new ones have a 27:1 gear ratio because
people complained about the lack of smoothness in the old
tuners. No complaints here...they're smoother than my stock
ones!
-- G.S.
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