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Issue #259
November 20, 1992
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Today's topics:
RE: Rattlin rod
RE: #258, MIDI Bass Controllers
servo-drive speakers
RE: Hipshot installation
SWR Dealers???
Anybody ever here of...
d-tuner (de-tuna)
more on new and different
Bass Player Wanted: L.A. Area
cheap backup amps
Boston Bass Meeting / Fleck
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Administrative notes:
Those who would like to get mail sent to Jim Roberts (editor of
_Bass Player_ magazine) or Joe Zon (maker of Zon basses) can
send e-mail to judic@netcom.com.
Bass Mgr.
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 10:58:59 +0100
From: mattjo@isy.liu.se
Subject: RE: Rattlin rod
This is concerning the question from Shin concerning
rattling truss rods on Hohner basses
I have had two Hohner basses, one 4str and
one 5str Steinberger models. Both developed a
truss rod rattle when I changed strings. I think
the truss rod loosen when the neck is relieved of
tension during string change.
I never got rid of the rattle, as it only bothered
me when I played without amp, but it might be possible
to get rid of it but tightening the rod when the
strings are off to get it fastened again but I'm not sure.
So, alas it seems that the rattle is inhereted in the design.
/Mattias Johennesson , Sweden
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 04:47:33 PST
From: 18-Nov-1992 0743 <rost@tecrus.ENET.dec.com>
Subject: RE: #258, MIDI Bass Controllers
This is in response to Luis' request about MIDI bass controllers. This is
based totally on Peavey literature, these units are just starting to be
shipped in the US. Who knows when some wil arrive in Europe!
Peavey has also started shipping the Spectrum Bass, a sound module with 200
sampled synth bass sounds, with a special 4-part multitimbral mode for use with
the MIDIbase (have a different bass sound on each string!)
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The Peavey MIDIBase is a new MIDI bass controller based on the Peavey DynaBass
electric bass guitar.
It contains a unique 3-way sensing system:
1. Fret sensing
2. Quad pickup near bridge
3. Bridge sensors
This supposedly allows faster tracking *and* correct handling of pitch bends,
slides, hammers, etc.
I expect this means that fret sensing is used to keep tracking delay lower than
pitch-->voltage conversion, then the other two systems monitor pitch *changes*
and hammer/pulloff action and send pitch bend data out rather than triggering a
new note. Pitch bend range is 8 semitones (minor 6th). I suspect this means
slides or bends over a wider interval will cause a new note to be triggered.
Mono, poly and multi modes are supported. There are 24 parameter presets stored
in memory, these are selected by fretting on the D and G strings between frets
1 and 12!
The bass itself is based on the Dyna Bass. This has a Jazz Bass style neck,
two active humbucking pickups and two band active EQ. A digital readout on the
upper horn of the bass makes reading mode settings possible while playing. Two
outputs are provided, a 1/4" audio and some sort of connector which goes to the
obligatory rackmount interface unit (unsure whether this includes an audio feed
as well, I would suspect it does).
If this thing works as well as the promo claims, it will be a sweet unit for
bassists. Peavey is aiming it at top 40 players who need to play synth bass,
but for a non-keyboardist like me it'll make sequencing my MIDI stuff a lot
simpler.
Delivery? "later this year".
Price? "I think about $1600"
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Brian Rost
rost@tecrus.enet.dec.com
508-568-6115
DEC, Hudson, MA
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"There's too many hands in your persimmon pie, when one hand is my desire"
-Roosevelt Sykes
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Date: 18 Nov 92 09:12:29 EST
From: Larry Stephens <LVS@rmgate.pop.indiana.edu>
Subject: servo-drive speakers
Does anyone have any idea who sells them and what they cost? (Lots
of $$$, as I recall.)
Larry Stephens
812-855-9758
Poplars 705, Bloomington, IN 47405
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IU NETWORK: STEPHENL @IUIS @PRISM
INTERNET: STEPHENL@ucs.indiana.edu
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:00 GMT
From: "William C. Ryan" <0003647569@mcimail.com>
Subject: RE: Hipshot installation
Alas, a memo that I'm "qualified" to comment on...
Mike-
I recently bought a Hipshot for my BC Rich Mockingbird and, to my shock and
dismay, I couldn't make it fit.
Ideally, installation of the Hipshot involves removing the existing E-string
tuner and replacing it with the Hipshot, which is just a larger-than-normal
tuner. Although the guy at the store said that I may have to drill out the hole
for the peg to fit, my original peg hole was plenty big enough (original tuners
were Grovers). The problem was that the back of the Hipshot tuner was too large
to fit into the space on the head between the other tuners.
Fortunately, the instructions that come with the Hipshot include a phone number
for the guy that actually designed it (at least that's what I was led to
believe). So I called the guy and explained my predicament. He was quite
courteous and helpful, but explained that BC Rich's can be real bitches to
install a Hipshot on (sorry, couldn't help it). He recommended changing my
other 3 tuners to either GB7's or GODO's, and that it might also require
redrilling the E and G tuner holes, and inserting wooden plugs of maple to
secure the E and G tuners.
He stated that any decent guitar shop should be able to do the job for about
$45, but I opted not to, since I didn't want to spend more and run the risk of
owning a hacked-up ax. I did learn that they (Hipshot, Inc. ?) make a variety
of different models, but none of them fit my bass.
Think I'll wait till I can afford a five-string.
Thanks,
7-Year-Itch
MCI
(703)758-3335
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:49 EST
From: GRSARTIANO@apollo.davidson.edu
Subject: SWR Dealers???
I posted a couple o' weeks ago about my Big Ben blown speaker
(under warranty). Well, the SWR folks are fixing it up
for free, but I have to cover postage both ways...pretty
expensive for an 18" speaker (came out to $45!).
I A/B'd a mid-70's Ampeg SVT (newly reconditioned & retubed)
with an SWR SM-400 in a local music store -- speakers were
a MESA-BOOGIE 2 x 15 and and SWR Goliath II 4 x 10. Well,
the Ampeg's 300 watt rating must be a little conservative
(compared with the SM-400's 400 watt rating) 'cause it went
up to bone shakin' volume rather quickly. The Ampeg's
switchable mid EQ (200, 800, or 1200 Hz, I believe) along
with the low & high boosts were a lot easier to get a good
sound with than the SM-400's 4-band semiparametric. Actually,
they were pretty much neck & neck, but (after 30 min. of
blissful comparison!) I gave the edge to the Ampeg for its
bountiful low end punch. Since the Ampeg was selling for
$450 (!!!), I talked to the salesman about charging up my
credit card and consigning my SM-400, so I could make some
$$$ AND have the cool Ampeg. Basically, while I was talking
to him, someone else bought it -- I think it had been in the
store for 1 hour! That's O.K. -- the salesman said that SVT's
are REALLY hard to carry around and retubing for 6 power tubes
is a major bummer. Any comments from Ampeg owners???
Does anybody in TBL-land know where the SWR dealer with the lowest
markup is??? I'm looking for a Goliath 4 x 10...here's what I've
gotten so far:
Sam Ash: $749.95
Thoroughbred: $725
Akron Music: $599 (!!!)
The guy in my area is asking $750 or so.
Later,
Gregg Sartiano
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:01:13 CST
From: richardr@stolaf.edu
Subject: Anybody ever here of...
Has anybody ever heard of Otiel Burbridge? He plays with Col. Bruce
Hampton & The Aquarium Rescue Unit. I have never heard of this guy.
He's Amazing! I mean, I've been listening to Stu, Geddy, Les, and Mr.
Wooten (respectfully) and I have never heard anything like this
Burbridge guy! His solo, and the whole song actually, on "Working On
A Building" is THE most impressive slap I have ver heard. Far as I
can hear he plays a 5 or 6 string fretless, and the guy's sound is so
damn clean! His pops are absolutely textbook material. And his speed
dusts both Les and Victor.
So is it just me, or did this guy come out of nowhere!? (I think he's
from Egypt...)
Actually, everyone in the band is pretty amazing...awesome jazz jam
kind of music. A friend of mine said that he saw them when they
opened in for Phish in Minneapolis.
--
Roman Richardson | "Funny thing about weekends when you're
St. Olaf College | unemployed -- they don't mean quite
Northfield, MN 55057 | so much...except you get to hang out
(507) 646-2258 | with your workin' friends" - Les Claypool, Primus
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Date: 18 Nov 1992 19:50:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: SSP2490@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Subject: d-tuner (de-tuna)
to who ever asked:
d tuner's are really easy to install. they come with instructions and don't
require any mutalation of your instrument.
however...
once installed, they are not as smooth as the original gotoh that you just took
off. they also take a bit of patience when tuning the string, since you must
compensate for the pitch geting raised when you flick the d tuner back and forth
the first time after tuning. i don't use mine that much, but i'm not
m. manring. however, it does catch people by suprise to hear a low d
out of a four string, so it's pretty cool, i suppose. certainly a hell of
a lot cheaper than a 5 string. go for it if your game.
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Date: 19 Nov 92 10:45:59 U
From: Paul Desjarlais <paul_desjarlais@pharlap.com>
Subject: more on new and different
> comments from abroad?
Well, that's pretty sexist. (ba DUM bum)
But seriously, it's tough to argue with what Oz or Stuart say about overcoming
prejudices and being open to things that are different. And I'm a firm
believer that you should make music first and foremost to please yourself, and
if you do, then others will follow. And then you can use your newfound power
for good and not evil...
However, I must confess at this time that I am, unfortunately, growing more
reluctant to listen to new and different things, not because I am too
ethnocentric (I hope), but because it's too much work! I seem to be developing
this attitude that I already have as many influences as I can stand, and that
now I want to concentrate on OUTPUT, not input. Like, there are only so many
hours in the day...and what with this annoying JOB and all...I admit it, I
admit it!
Now, I know this attitude has to be at least semi-unhealthy, because whenever I
DO listen to something new that I like, it almost always has some effect on
what I'm doing at the time. As of course it should.
Could this be the natural narrowing-of-the-mind that occurs with (gulp) AGE?
In ten years will I be saying "get that damn CD AWAY FROM ME!!"?
ya gotta help me, doc...
-pd
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 10:28:36 PST
From: Annette DeSchon <deschon@isi.edu>
Subject: Bass Player Wanted: L.A. Area
Sender: deschon@ISI.EDU
Hello Bass Players,
I recently talked to someone who's looking for a bass player, and since
he seemed very nice and it's not something that I have time to do, I
thought that I'd pass the word along.
The band is a hard rock original band. Ben, the vocalist, has arranged
for lockout (you can leave your stuff) rehearsal space, east of the
downtown area of L.A., near the 10 freeway, and they are starting
rehearsals on December 1st. They have some gigs already set up, and
they have tapes of their material.
For more information call Ben at (310)398-2129.
--Annette
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:33:35 EST
From: shinh@nmr-r.MGH.Harvard.Edu
Subject: cheap backup amps
Does anyone out there have any suggestions for cheap
backup amps? I'm leaning toward tube because my main
amp is a GK. I was thinking about Fender Bassman amps,
as well as an Ampeg B-15s/n/etc... I'm not looking for a ton
of power, but I want something that is relatively durable,
and of course, sounds good. Any hints?
Oh, and my cab is a Hartke 4x10.
-Shin
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Date: 20 Nov 92 08:51:13 U
From: Oz Barron <oz_barron@pharlap.com>
Subject: Boston Bass Meeting / Fleck
Hi Folks! A couple of things:
I also saw the fabulous Flecktones show in Boston. My 2 bits are: SEE IT!
Also, I agree with --Mike about meeting someone from the net. I have now had
the pleasure of meeting three fellow players face to face, Bob Davis, Jon
Sherred (I know I just your name wrong, sorry), and --Mike. It's quite a treat
to put faces to names. As a matter of fact, I'll go out on a limb here. Any
Bass Players in the Boston area wanna get together for a night of Bass 'n'
Brew? Maybe at some Local brewery? We could swap bass stories, bring our
favorite axes, and generally tell each other how useless guitar players are!
If interested, feel free to e-mail me at oz@pharlap.com.
re: Mr Wooten. The guy is astounding! I was concerned for the first bit of
the show as everything he played was
lotsandlotsofnotesupanddownthenecksofastyoualmostcouldn'thearit. The contrast
between what the Vicmeister was doing and what Bela Howard were doing was
intersting. Both Bela and Howard are real "road warriors" that have been
playing for years with some of the top names in music. (I saw Howard with John
Prine!) Victor, correct me if I'm wrong, is now in his first major label band.
I think, believe it or not, that our ol' pal nerves were in for the first bit
of the show.
HOWEVER, the encore where Victor was given the stage for 10 minutes or so was
amazing. He really settled down and let the music, rather then the chops, take
over. The solo got into a careful bukid up of the history of hot bass riffs.
He quoted Jace, Stanley and so on, and finished with his ripping spinning
clusters of notes being pushed by *futureman* (his brother). I am impressed by
him, and IMHO am convinced that he really is "the next big thing" and not a
poser. (No I won't name posers) He has a great command of the history of the
instrument and where it came from, and has a personal vision of where it's
going.
Stuart, RIGHT ON BRO'!
Lastly, but certainly not least, RM and Brian, my thoughts are with you in your
struggles with your condition. I wish you both the best of luck. Hang in
there dudes, we're all with ya!
Thanks for your time again folks!
-Oz
(Erik: The Christmas Song is a great arrangement. Thanks! I haven't gotten
to the others yet...)
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