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- Submitted-by: brnstnd@KRAMDEN.ACF.NYU.EDU (Dan Bernstein)
-
- Randall Howard writes:
- > Dan, you've missed the most important thing that differentiates a
- > consensus based standards process like the IEEE, ANSI, and ISO (i.e.
- > POSIX) from vendor or consortia-based standards like SVID or SVR4.
- > That point is that you, and everyone else, are allowed to both
- > participate in the working group that created the standard and to
- > ballot on the result produced by that working group.
-
- So what?
-
- Are you saying that it's okay to ``standardize'' something which has
- never been implemented---just because I'm allowed to contribute to this
- ``standards'' process? Are you saying that it's okay to ``standardize''
- technically inferior solutions---just because I'm allowed to contribute
- to this ``standards'' process? Are you saying that it's okay to sidestep
- all competition from the free market---just because I'm allowed to
- contribute to this ``standards'' process?
-
- Do you truly believe that a hundred people who've never tested their
- ``informed opinions'' on the market can get together, sit around a
- table, and ballot their way to the Holy Grail?
-
- I don't. I want to see POSIX members try their inventions on the real
- world. Give yourselves some time to work out the bugs!
-
- > I feel that this is important, because if you
- > participated you would know that the process does not work in the
- > simplistic (or indeed sinister) way you suggest.
-
- On the contrary. I admire the extent to which ANSI and other standards
- committees go to ensure that everyone's opinion is heard. I just can't
- believe that we can sit down and write good solutions to problems which
- most people have hardly even recognized. Why is POSIX ``standardizing''
- printer interfaces? Or protocol-independent networking? Where are the
- customer demands for these standards? Is there any indication that more
- than a fraction of the computing community has even realized how useful
- protocol-independent network interfaces can be? Where's the history of
- successes and failures in attacking this problem? Where's the industry
- consensus?
-
- Do you really think that you can take any problem in OS design and
- figure out a good solution---at least as good a solution as anyone else
- will come up with in the foreseeable future? *Any* problem? In other
- words, do you really believe that the art of operating systems has
- become stagnant?
-
- If so, it's time for POSIX.
-
- If not, then you're inventing and ``standardizing'' poor solutions.
-
- ---Dan
-
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- Volume-Number: Volume 26, Number 5
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