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- Submitted-by: randall@Virginia.EDU (Randall Atkinson)
-
- In article <1991Jun12.034606.16284@uunet.uu.net>,
- Peter Collinson <pc@hillside.co.uk> writes:
-
- >There was a problem with the Draft 11 distribution. POSIX.2 is now
- >over 900 pages. It's balloting period was 30 days, although with a
- >mailing lead it was about 6 weeks. Due to postal services, some
- >members of the balloting group only received their ballot copies two
- >weeks prior to the closing deadline. Hal Jespersen was as
- >accommodating as he could be on the deadline, but the extent of these
- >submissions was definitely affected. The question rears its head
- >again. Should we be balloting POSIX standards the same as we ballot
- >smaller hardware standards?
-
- This is a very real problem. I ended up abstaining on both the
- Ada-bindings and Threads ballots because I didn't have sufficient time
- to review the lengthy &/or complex ballots in the time allotted.
-
- It seems to me that the SEC should consider mandating that future
- ballots for the POSIX arena have a longer minimum balloting period
- than the IEEE requires. This would not conflict with the IEEE
- requirements and would get better standards in the final result.
-
- >New PARs
- >
- >The Project Management Committee (PMC) has recommended the proposed
- >PAR (Project Authorization Request) for 1003.2b be split into two
- >parts. One part will cover extensions and new requests from other
- >groups, such as the tar, cpio and new pax file formats from POSIX.1
- >(Kernel) and utilities from POSIX.4 (Realtime) and POSIX.6
- >(Security). The timing and alignment issues with the ISO 9945-2
- >balloting process will be covered by the other part.
- >
- >The scope of this second PAR is restricted to standardization of
- >existing industry practice. The group does not want to get into
- >designing new utilities.
-
- Such a scope is the only appropriate one. In particular the
- experience of other standards (e.g. ISO Network Protocol
- interoperability problems) have made it clear that it is best to
- standardise only existing practice and let there be actual implemented
- experience with new utlitites or features before putting them in the
- standard.
-
- I am glad to see this made explicit in the POSIX.2b PAR as it has
- been an ongoing concern of mine (in particular with regard to
- windowing interfaces that there isn't enough experience with).
-
- >There is also concern over draft stability when discussing the
- >commands to access the features from the POSIX.4 and POSIX.6
- >standards. How mature does the feature have to be before the POSIX.2
- >group goes to the effort of defining a command interface to it ?
-
-
- It seems to me that if a draft hasn't even reached balloting that
- it is not sufficiently stable for the POSIX.2 WG to make much effort
- devising a suitable command interface for it. There have been a lot
- of cases where changes occurred in balloting as well, so it might
- not even be stable enough at ballot-time.
-
- >Discussion
-
- >Richard Hart from POSIX.7 (System Administration) presented the syntax
- >for a new printing command based on the MIT/Athena Palladium network
- >printing services. Everyone in the POSIX.2 group agreed that the
- >proposed syntax was awkward.
-
- The posted examples are pursuasive. The printing commands should all
- be based on widespread existing practice in UN*X systems. The MIT/Athena
- Palladium services are not widespread enough to justify their adoption.
-
- >Requests for technology
- >
- >There is an opportunity now to propose a new archive format.
-
- Why is yet another archive format needed ??
-
-
- Volume-Number: Volume 23, Number 103
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