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Submitted-by: [e-mail] (Eric Berggren)

[e-mail] (Eric Berggren) writes:

>Submitted-by: [e-mail] (Eric Berggren)

>[e-mail] (Vincent B. Wayland) writes:

>>Submitted-by: [e-mail] (Vincent B. Wayland)

>>Where and how does one go about getting copies of the various Posix documents?
>>Are they available via email or FTPing?  3 1/2" diskette?  I also mean the
>>various draft standards-to-be, too.

  Okay, here we go. I finally got a reply from Jim Isaak, who is the
treasurer of the POSIX group regarding all of this. Here is his reply:


Eric,
    Below is a summary of information about the POSIX standard
drafts, etc.  At this point they are not available on-line; and there
is a fee for copies (and lots and lots of pages; 1003.2 is now approaching
1000 pages).
    1003.1 has no "subsets" defined (so for example, MS/DOS and
embedded real time systems cannot conform, at least w/o major revision).
1003.1 does have options, in general fairly small incremental features
(multiple groups...).  You might want to get FIPS 151-1 from the US
Government; this procurement specification eliminates most of the options
in 1003.1, and mandates a particular set.

    1003.4 is totally optional, and is segmented into seperable
options ... so there is much room there for subsetting.  1003.13 is
developing profiles of combinations of 1003.1 plus 1003.4; this effort
is likely to propose some subset of 1003.1 to address the embedded realtime
concept.

    1003.2 and 1003.1 are seperable; so a system without shell and
tools can conform to 1003.1 (although not to 1003.2); so this may also
be considered a form of subsetting from a "UNIX" perspective.

        I hope this helps;
            Jim Isaak
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Sources of information about the POSIX Standards        3/8/91
================================================
A quick picture:

    Copies of the IEEE POSIX.1 Standard (IEEE Std. 1003.1-1990)
can be obtained from the IEEE Computer Society at 714-821-8380
    (See below for international sources)

    Copies of Draft standards in progress can be obtained from
the IEEE Computer Society office: 202-371-0101.

    IEEE is offering a seminar on the POSIX standards,
for more details, contact: +800 678-IEEE (see IEEE Stds Office below)

    Information on the POSIX Conformance Test Suite used by the
U.S. Government can be obtained from: 703-487-4650, Order # PB90-500919.

    A guide to developing POSIX conforming applications is
now in print from:
    "A Practical Guide to the POSIX.1 Standard", by Fred Zlotnick
    Benjamin/Cummings Publisher [415-594-4400]

    Uniforum publishes a set of "POSIX Explored" publications on
the POSIX standards.  These can be obtained from Uniforum, [phone].

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        The more detailed view
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1) Machine readable, any form: currently this is not available,
    IEEE is looking into what is required for this to make sense.
    (small POSIX drafts are 100 pages; larger ones 1000)

2) Paper copies of Published Standards.

   There are two versions of POSIX.1: ISO/IEC IS 9945-1:1990
   (a.k.a. IEEE Std. 1003.1-1990). The ISO and IEEE documents are
   identical except for the covers.

    This is the only "fully approved" POSIX standard at this point,
    it replaces IEEE Std. 1003.1-1988, which is still referenced by
    the U.S. Government FIPS 151-1.

   The ISO documents can be ordered through the various national bodies.
   ANSI in the US, DIN in Germany, etc.

   (There is an order form in the IEEE Standards Catalog about who can do
   credit sales.  Call [phone] to request a copy of the catalog.)

   Document numbers:

    POSIX.1:
        ISO/IEC 9945-1:1990
        IEEE Std. 1003.1-1990
          IEEE Order number SH13680
          IEEE CS Catalog number 1019
          ISBN 1-55937-061-0

   IEEE Standard availability.

       The IEEE version can be ordered from several sources.  The
       "SH" number (found on the lower left of the cover or lower
       right of the front inside cover is the key to ordering it.)

       There is a 10% quantity discounts (>50 copies) from IEEE.
       The first copy for IEEE (but not CS) members is 30% discount
       from IEEE, all others at list.  The CS has a different
       discount schedule that applies to CS members as well.

    POSIX.1: List $75.00
       Continental US Call:
        Computer Society: [phone]  (Ask for Customer Service)
        or IEEE Publication Sales 1-800-678-IEEE

       Canada:
        IEEE Canada        908 981-1393
        7071 Yonge St.
        Thornhill, Ontario L3T 2A6
        Canada.

       Outside Continental US or via paper.

        IEEE Service Center
        445 Hoes Lane, PO Box 1331
        Piscataway, NJ 08855-1331

        -or-

        IEEE Computer Society        [phone]
        10662 Los Vaqueros Cir.        Fax [phone]
        PO Box 3014
        Los Alamitos Ca. 90720-3014

       Europe:
        IEEE Computer Society        [phone]
        Jaques Kevers             Fax [phone]
        13, Ave de l'Aquilon
        B-1200
        Burssels, Belgium.

       Asia:

        IEEE Computer Society        [phone]
        Ms. Kyoko Mikami        Fax [phone]
        Ooshima Building
        2-19-1 Minami Aoyma
        Minato-Ku, Tokyo 107
        Japan

   ISO Availabity:

    ISO
    1, rue de Varembe
    Gase Postale 58
    CH-1211
    Geneve 20
    Switzerland/Suisse.

    ANSI                [phone]
    1430 Broadway
    New York, NY 10010


3) Drafts in Balloting.

     For drafts that currently are in balloting contact the
     IEEE Standards office at the Hoes Lane address above.

     There may be a per-page copying charge.

4) Drafts not yet balloting (working drafts), contact:

    IEEE Computer Society            [phone]
    1730 Massachusetts Ave N.W.    Fax [phone]
    Washington, DC 20036-1903

     There may be a per-page copying charge.

5) Subscriptions to the POSIX mailings:
   Note that this version of the form is a bit out of date.  However, it
   should get you reasonably plugged into the process.


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1003.12    Protocol Independent Interfaces,   1003.13 Real Time AEP,
1003.14 Multiprocessing AEP,               1003.15 Batch Services,
1003.17 Directory Service API,             1003.18 POSIX Platform AEP
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-e.b.
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  Eric Berggren             |  "The force of the 'Dark Side' eminates from
  Computer Science/Eng.     |    the ominous DeathStar looming overhead."
  [e-mail]  |            - Down with AT&T! -


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