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- From: preece@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Scott E. Preece)
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- | From: sp@mysteron.osf.org (Simon Patience)
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- | The reason for semaphores not being in the file system is twofold. Some
- | realtime embedded systems do not have a file system but do want semaphores
- | So this allows them to have them without having to bring in the baggage a
- | file system would entail.
- ---
- I don't care whether they have something that looks like UNIX filesystem
- code or not, or whether they have disk drives or not, but I don't think
- it's unreasonable to require them to handle semaphore names as though
- they were in a filesystem namespace. Otherwise you're going to end up
- with a collection of independent features, each minimally specified so
- that it can work without assuming anything else, and anyone with any
- sense is going to say "Yuck" and use a real operating system that
- provides reasonable integration and for a uniform notion of, among other
- things, naming.
- ---
- | ... Secondly, as far as threads, which are supposed to
- | be light weight, are concerned it allows semaphores to be implmented in user
- | space rather than forcing them into the kernel for the file system.
- ---
- Eh? I don't know what the group has proposed since the ballot, but it
- would seem that using a filesystem name only makes a difference when you
- first specify you're going to be looking at a particular semaphore,
- which shouldn't be a critical path event. After that you use a file
- descriptor, which I think could be handled in user space about as well
- as anything else. In either case you're going to have to go to the
- kernel when scheduling is required (when you block or when you release
- the semaphore).
- ---
- | A good reason for *not* having IPC handles in the file system is to allow
- | network IPC to use the same interfaces. If you have IPC handles in the
- | file system then two machines who have applications trying to communicate
- | would also have to have at least part of their file system name space to
- | be shared. This is non trivial to arrange for two machines so can you
- | imaging the problem of doing this for 100 (or 1000?) machines.
- ---
- You're going to have to synchronize *some* namespace anyway, why
- shouldn't it be a piece of the filesystem namespace?
-
- A consistent approach to naming and name resolution for ALL global
- objects should be one of the basic requirements for any new POSIX (or
- UNIX!) functionality. We should have *one* namespace so that we can
- write general tools that only need to know about one namespace.
- --
- scott preece
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- Volume-Number: Volume 21, Number 75
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