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- From: dee@linus.MITRE.ORG (David E. Emery)
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- Standards Update Part 4: 1003.5
-
- An update on UNIX|= Standards Activities
- January 1989 IEEE 1003 Meeting, Ft. Lauderdale
-
-
- 1003.5 - Ada Bindings to POSIX
-
- This quarter's 1003.5 report points out some problems
- that are really endemic to the entire standards making
- process. To wit, the people involved in making standards
- are rarely those who end up using them. The user community
- does not (generally) have the wherewithal or time to join
- standards committees and attend standards committee
- meetings. POSIX, like all other standards, suffers from
- this problem.
-
- In the case of 1003.5, the problem manifests itself in
- a new way. While there are few members of the committee,
- the vendor and end user community are about evenly
- represented. This would seem to be an advantage.
- Unfortunately, the Ada vendor and user community is not a
- UNIX oriented community. The members of this committee,
- while very knowledgeable about Ada and its requirements, may
- not be as well verse in traditional UNIX semantics as one
- would like.
-
- This may change as the DoD (and the entire US Federal
- Government) becomes more interested in POSIX. Until that
- time, 1003.5 is going to suffer from a dearth of UNIX
- oriented members. This may cause them to produce a standard
- that, while strong in Ada terms, is weak when it comes to
- its relationship to POSIX based systems.
-
- The Ada language binding group has a goal of having a
- standard Ada binding for P1003.1 by the end of 1989, with
- balloting to take place some time in the fall. The first
- draft of this standard was available for the January meeting
- of the POSIX committees, and it is going to take quite a bit
- of work to get it ready for a fall ballot. This committee
- is really in desparate need of some warm bodies - preferably
- with Ada and UNIX backgrounds.
-
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- I don't think this is a very fair characterization of our working
- group. It may have been true at Minneapolis (where most of the 1003.5
- officers, for various reasons, were unable to attend), but many of us
- have a pretty solid Unix background. It is true that we sometimes
- have to educate the 'uninitiated'. It is also true that we need more
- bodies, particularly people literate in both Unix and Ada. However,
- there is a substantial interest in Ada on Unix, indicated by the large
- number of vendors (Verdix, Telesoft, Alsys, Meridian, DDC and Tartan
- Labs <this list is probably not complete, either>).
-
- However, I take significant exception to the implication that the
- 1003.5 committee "does not understand Unix." This is particularly
- true when you look at the expressed attitude of the rest of 1003, that
- "we don't care about Ada", or at best "we don't have time to learn
- Ada". We have a major problem when Ada and Unix clash, a problem I
- don't think that the rest of P1003 can appreciate (given their narrow
- C focus).
-
- dave
- emery@mitre.org
-
- [ The report was based on the Minneapolis meeting.
- It's good to see some counter opinions, though. -mod ]
-
- Volume-Number: Volume 16, Number 41
-
-