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- Date: Thu, 9 Jan 86 11:39:06 est
- From: Davidsen <seismo!rochester!steinmetz!davidsen@sally.UTEXAS.EDU>
- Organization: GE CRD, Schenectady, NY
-
- The recent posting on TZ implementation has prompted discussion at our site,
- with the following comments and suggestions:
-
- 1) Process TZ is very useful. We use systems in Chicago and Minn, and would
- like our times as displayed to be meaningful. We regularly reset TZ in our
- .profile on these systems.
-
- 2) An extension is needed to handle cases where the TZ offset is not an even
- hour, and where the daylight savings time calculation is not the (current) US
- standard. We even were so bold as to envision one method of doing this.
-
- The proposed solution is to give a TZ value having no offset, simply a series
- of characters as the identifier, as "TZ=PILST". When a TZ without an offset
- was located, a directory would be searched for a file with the same name. For
- illustration, call this /usr/bin/TZ. When the matching file was executed using
- the date for an argument, the correct offset from GMT would be returned in
- clock ticks. This value could then be added to the current GMT value to get
- "process local" time.
-
- Note: what is important
- is that the processes are user (sysmgr) definable to match changing local
- laws, etc. I would feel that it is acceptable to require reboot of the system
- to change these procedures, so some pointers or even the process itself(?)
- could be kept in memory to speed things up.
- These routines would have to be executed fairly often, since the
- change points of the algorithms might be anywhere. Another suggestion was to
- make these routine devices, and install them as device drivers.
-
- The example time zone, PILST, stands for the hypothetical "Pothole IL Local
- Standard Time", which is 4:17 ahead of the rest of the state because the clock
- in town hall is off by that much. This example is less funny if you look at
- the number of entire countries in conventional time zones, particularly those
- shared by Eurasia and Africa. Hospitals might want to shift the change to
- daylight time by some hours to minimize the posibility of error, and could,
- using this solution, have their own "hospital standard time".
-
- The problem of time for uucp and at are not as simple as they seem. If I want
- to run a job during off hours, 0100 means 1am, computer time. If I want to
- have the system call me back at 3:30pm local time to test a new uucp or
- something, I mean my local time. If I make a cron entry to run uucico at a
- given time, it uses the default shell timezone, while incoming calls use the
- system, since the are not executed under a shell. This confuses the logfiles
- no end. One of our sysmgrs keeps the system time at GMT rather than EST5EDT
- (for valid reasons, but complex), which really messes up the log. I think the
- solution to that would be to have uucico use some known TZ rather than the
- inherited TZ (/usr/lib/uucp/TZ anyone?). This would keep the logs consistant.
-
- Obviously the times in L.sys should be to a standard, but should it be local
- time or destination time. Since the anther is "both", a TZ field may have to
- be added to L.sys, since local time is what I use to control my phone bill,
- but destination time is what I use if a remote system is only up for uucp at
- certain times.
-
- Hopefully these ideas will inspire some constructive followup.
-
- -bill davidsen
-
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