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- From: dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu (David M. Putzolu)
- Newsgroups: rec.answers,news.answers
- Subject: rec.guns FAQ Pointer
- Followup-To: rec.guns
- Date: 6 Dec 1993 01:39:01 GMT
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- Summary: This posting contains a pointer to the anonymous FTP
- site that contains the rec.guns FAQ, as well as a list
- of the topics covered in the files at that site.
- Furthermore, instructions are included that describe how
- those without FTP access can use email to get to these files.
- Originator: dputzolu@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
- Xref: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu rec.answers:3251 news.answers:15498
-
- Archive-name: rec-guns-FAQ-pointer
- Last-Modified: 1993/5/12
-
- Administrative Note 1: In order to make it slightly easier for people
- to detect when new additions have been made to the FAQ, I have
- moved the 'Changes since last posting sections' to be directly
- after this introduction (ie, about 40 lines down from this
- point). I am also attempting to include a short description
- of what each new addition is.
- Administrative Note 2: The quality of the articles submitted to the
- FAQ have been really excellent. What is lacking is quantity.
- If you are writing a posting to rec.guns, maybe stop and ask
- yourself, "Is this FAQ material?" If it is, email me a copy,
- and I will be glad to include it.
-
- What follows is the pointer to the rec.guns FAQ list. Due to it's near
- encyclopedic proportions, it was decided that the FAQ would be
- made available via anonymous FTP, and only this small pointer would be
- posted periodically instead. For those of you that do not have FTP
- access, instructions as to how to use email to have parts of the
- FAQ automatically sent to you are included at the end of
- this posting.
-
- *************************************************************
- * The rec.guns FAQ can be found on the rec.guns FTP server, *
- * flubber.cs.umd.edu in the directory /rec/FAQ *
- *************************************************************
-
- In order to allow people to download parts of the FAQ at the
- granularity of single articles, each article appears in a
- separate file on the FTP server mentioned above. The filename of
- each article is made up of the first four letters of each section
- and subsection they are a part of, with the first of each of
- the four letters capitalized. Thus, the article in the section
-
- X. Miscellaneous
- H. What about Kids and Guns?
-
- would be found in the file /rec/FAQ/MiscWhat.
-
- There is still a ton of stuff missing from this FAQ. If you
- feel comfortable writing about one of the missing topics,
- please email me!
-
-
- David M. Putzolu - dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu - My opinions
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------
-
-
-
- I. Introduction
- A. Changes Since Last Posting
-
- by David Putzolu
-
- The REC.GUNS FAQ pointer was last posted on December 5, 1993.
-
- The following list shows a change code followed by a topic
- area. The key to these codes is:
- C = Change to the topic.
- + = Topic has been inserted or filled in.
- - = Topic has been deleted.
-
- Changes since last posting:
-
- I. Introduction
- II. Laws
- III. Firearm Information by Type
- C. Semi-Automatic Pistols
- 2. Models and Manufacturers
- + a. Glock
- (An excellent overall guide and description of an
- excellent pistol, by Ken Diliberto.)
- D. Shotguns
- 1. Shotshells and Loads
- + f. Different shotgun shell lengths - what's the deal?
- (A good explanation of why there are different
- lengths of shotgun shells, by Scot E. Heath.)
- IV. Comparative Firearm Information
- V. Defensive Use of Firearms
- VI. Hunting Issues
- VII.Reloading
- VIII. Techniques
- A. Pistol Techniques
- 2. Cleaning
- + b. Revolvers (A good how to for cleaning S&W/Taurus revolvers,
- by Josh Grosseman. If someone wants to make additions
- to cover other designs, go for it!)
- X. Miscellaneous
- XI. Contact Information
- C D. Firearms Schools
- (Minor changes to this national list
- of firearm schools, compiled by Ray Terry)
- + XII.Accuracy
- (This subject always seems to have a few questions floating
- around, so I have created a section for it.)
- + A. Pistol
- + 1. General Accuracy Tips
- (An cut'n'paste summary full of useful
- tips, by Aaron ?)
- + B. Rifle
- + 1. Why Should I Bed My Rifle
- (An excellent detailed answer to this oft-asked
- question, by Bart Bobbit)
-
- Outline for the rec.guns FAQ Organization
-
- by David M. Putzolu (dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu)
-
- Below is a list of all of the topics that the rec.guns FAQ. Because
- the FAQ has grown quite large, it was decided that a pointer to
- where the FAQ might be obtained via ftp would be posted instead.
- For people who do not have ftp access, a brief instructional guide
- on how to use email to automatically have FAQ articles sent to
- you appears at the end of this posting.
-
- Note that this is simply the outline for the FAQ, and it is very
- tentative. Some topics already have been written about - these
- have a * next to them. Other topics are in the process of being
- written about - these have a ? next to them. If a potential
- contributor wants to work on an area with a * or ? already then
- email the maintainer, David Putzolu (dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu),
- who will send the completed work, in the case of a * item, or
- send the email address of the person working on it, in the case
- of a ? item. Note that some people don't want to be bothered
- and so their name/email won't be included and their contribution
- will be frozen unless the maintainer feels that another
- person has a significant point to add. Contributors: By
- default, your name and email address WILL appear in this outline
- to facilitate cooperation by people on the various subjects. If
- you do not want your name/email to appear please tell me ASAP.
-
- I. Introduction
- A. Changes since last posting
- * (David Putzolu, dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu)
- B. FAQ Organization, etc.
- * (David Putzolu, dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu)
- C. Legal Disclaimer
- * (David Putzolu, dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu)
- D. Basic Gun Safety
- * (Christian J. van den Branden Lambrecht, vdb@ltssg3.epfl.ch)
- E. Terminology & Acronyms
- F. The most common FAQ on rec.guns: I am thinking of buying a gun...
- * (Moderator: rec.guns, magnum@cs.umd.edu)
- G. Why Should I Join the NRA?
- * (Don Baldwin, donb@tamri.com)
- H. I Don't Have FTP capability - can I use Email to get FAQ Articles?
- * (Lance ?)
- II. Laws
- A. Contact info for ILA & other services
- B. Country Laws
- * (Christian J. van den Branden Lambrecht, vdb@ltssg3.epfl.ch)
- C. State Laws
- D. Judicious use of deadly force -- summary.
- E. Relevant Literature
- III. Firearm Information by Type
- A. Literature
- B. Revolvers
- 1. Commonly Available Cartridges
- * (Chris Luchini, cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu)
- 2. Models and Manufactureres
- 3. "What to Look for in Buying a Revolver"
- * (Kirk Hayes, hays@SSD.intel.com)
- C. Semi-Automatic Pistols
- 1. Commonly Available Cartridges
- * (Chris Luchini, cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu)
- (Ed Rudnicki, erudnick@Pica.Army.Mil)
- 2. Models and Manufacturers
- a. Glock
- * (Ken Diliberto, ken_diliberto@csufresno.edu)
- b. Haemmerli
- * (Christian J. van den Branden Lambrecht, vdb@ltssg3.epfl.ch)
- c. Smith & Wesson
- * (Christian J. van den Branden Lambrecht, vdb@ltssg3.epfl.ch)
- d. Taurus
- * (Ralph Palmer, rpalmer@think.com)
- D. Rifles
- 1. Commonly Available Cartridges
- 2. Models & Manufacturers
- a. Colt AR-15
- ? (Richard Kinch, kinch@holonet.net)
- b. HK
- * (Chris Luchini, cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu)
- E. Shotguns
- 1. Shotshells and Loads
- a. Shot Sizes
- * (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- b. Load weights, shotsize, and Dram equivalents
- * (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- c. High brass, low brass, and hull length
- ? (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- d. Buffered Loads
- * (Josh Grosse, jdg00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com)
- e. What's a "guage," anyway?
- * (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- f. Different shotgun shell lengths - what's the deal?
- * (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- 2. Barrels and Chokes
- a. VR barrels
- ? (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- b. Rifled vs. smoothbore
- ? (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- c. Chokes
- * (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- d. Barrel length
- ? (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- e. O/U vs. S/S
- ? (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- 3. Models & Manufacturers
- a. Benelli
- * (Josh Grosse, jdg00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com)
- b. Beretta
- ? (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- c. Browning
- ? (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- d. Mossberg
- ? (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- e. Remington
- ? (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- f. Winchester
- ? (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- g. Miscellaneous
- ? (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- 4. Miscellaneous
- a. Shotgun Fit Parameters
- * (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- b. The Difference between Trap, Skeet, and Sporting Clays
- * (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- F. Black Powder Firearms
- ? (viking@iastate.edu)
- IV. Comparative Firearm Information
- A. Literature
- B. Double Action v. Single Action v. Safe Action v. Squeeze Cocker
- * (Josh Grosse, jdg00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com)
- C. Glock v. Sig Sauer
- 1. The Glock's Case
- 2. Glock Rebuttal
- 3. The Sig Sauer's Case
- 4. Sig Sauer Rebuttal
- D. Reliability: Semi-Automatic Pistols v. Revolvers
- E. Accuracy: Bolt Action Rifles v. Semi-Automatic Rifles
- F. Bullet Velocity & Weight as related to effectiveness
- 1. The Facklerite's Case
- 2. Fackler Rebuttal
- 3. The Marshall-Sanow Case
- 4. Marshall-Sanow Rebuttal
- G. Calibre Issues
- 1. The .45 ACP's case
- 2. .45 ACP Rebuttal
- 3. The 9mm Parabellum's case
- 4. 9mm Parabellum Rebuttal
- 5. Other calibres and their suitability to purpose
- 6. Calibre Interchangeability
- * (James P. Callison, callison@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu)
- V. Defensive Use of Firearms
- A. Legal Disclaimer
- B. Literature
- * (Seth Adam Eliot, se08+@andrew.cmu.edu)
- C. Home Defense
- * (Kleanthes Koniaris, kgk@martigny.ai.mit.edu)
- D. Out-of-Home Defense
- * (Kleanthes Koniaris, kgk@martigny.ai.mit.edu, entire section)
- E. I want a pistol for defensive use. Which one should I get?
- * (Seth Adam Eliot, se08+@andrew.cmu.edu)
- VI. Hunting Issues
- A. Calibre Issues
- 1. Is .223 ok for hunting?
- 2. Is 9mm/7.62*39/.357/.45ACP/etc. good for bears?
- * (David Putzolu, dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu)
- VII. Reloading Information
- A. Introduction to Handloading
- 1. Pistol and rifle handloading: "My Adventures in Reloading"
- * (Henry Shaffer, Coutesy of Anmar Mirza)
- 2. Shotgun Handloading
- ? (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- B. Progressive v. Standard Reloaders
- 1. Accuracy Issues
- 2. Price / Expandability
- 3. Rate of Production
- C. Bullet Manufacturer Information
- D. Powder Manufacturer Information
- E. Pistol/Rifle Reloading Equipment Manufacturer Information
- 1. Dillon
- 2. Hornady (Pacific)
- 3. Lee
- 4. Lyman
- 5. RCBS
- F. Shotgun Reloading Equipment Manufacturer Information
- 1. Hornady, MEC, and Posness Warren
- * (Scot E. Heath, scot@hpfistu.fc.hp.com)
- G. Custom Loads
- 1. Legal Disclaimer
- 2. Pistol
- 3. Rifle
- 4. Shotgun
- H. Miscellaneous
- 1. "A Report on the Dedicated Systems Electronic Scale and
- and Powder Dribbler System"
- * (Chris Luchini, CBL@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu)
- 2. "Some Words on Adjusting Dies"
- * (Henry E. Shaffer, courtesy of Anmar Mirza)
- 3. What is the Benefit of Nickel Plating Brass?
- * (David Putzolu, dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu)
- VIII. Techniques
- A. Pistol Techniques
- 1. Carry Techniques
- 2. Cleaning
- a. Semi-automatics
- * (Josh A. Grossman, jagst18+@pitt.edu)
- b. Revolvers
- * (Josh A. Grossman, jagst18+@pitt.edu)
- 3. Presentation
- B. Rifle Techniques
- 1. Carry Techniques
- 2. Cleaning
- 3. Presentation
- IX. Competitive Information
- A. List of Olympic Shooting Events
- * (Jaroslav Liptak, se_lipta@rcvie.co.at)
- B. IPSC Information
- ? (Karl Rehn, krehn@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu)
- X. Miscellaneous
- A. DCM Summary - "Uncle Sam Sells Garand Rifles to Civilians"
- * (Ron Phillips, crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com)
- B. Bill Ruger Consumer Debate Summary
- C. Lubricants
- 1. Information about commerically available lubricants.
- a. Prolix
- * (Peter Alan Kasler, tmi@crl.com)
- 2. The Case Against Petroleum Based Lubricants
- * (Peter Alan Kasler, tmi@crl.com)
- D. Solvents
- 1. Don't Mix Shooter's Choice & Hoppe's!
- 2. Information about commercially available solvents.
- 3. Homebrew Recipies
- a. Ed's Red
- * (By Ed Harris of American Rifleman)
- E. Female-Specific Issues Relating to Firearms
- * (Julian Macassey, julian@bongo.tele.com)
- F. The Points System of GCA'68
- * (Larry Cipriani, l.v.cipriani@att.com)
- G. Rob's Quick Guide to Getting a Federal Firearms License (FFL)
- * (Rob Caton, C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu)
- H. What about Kids and Guns?
- * (E. Michael Smith, ems@michael.apple.com)
- I. Literature List
- 1. Book Reviews by Henry Shaffer
- * (Henry Schaffer, hes@ncsu.edu)
- XI. Contact Information
- A. Gun Rights Organizations
- 1. NRA
- *
- 2. ILA
- *
- 3. Other Gun Rights Organizations
- * (Peter Nesbitt, 0005111312@mcimail.com)
- B. Mail Order Guns & Gun Supplies
- *
- C. Internet Firearms FTP Sites
- * (Christian J. van den Branden Lambrecht, vdb@ltssg3.epfl.ch)
- D. Firearms Schools
- * (Ray Terry, rterry@cup.hp.com)
- E. Literature Reviews Available at flubber.cs.umd.edu
- * (Henry Schaffer, hes@unity.ncsu.edu)
- F. People To Contact if You are Curious About Firearms
- * (Kees Huyser, keeshu@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl)
- XII. Accuracy
- A. Pistol
- 1. General Accuracy Tips
- * (Aaron ?, aaron@halcyon.com)
- B. Rifle
- 1. Why Should I Bed My Rifle?
- * (Bart Bobbit, bartb@hpfcmr.sde.hp.com)
-
-
- I. Introduction
- B. FAQ Organization, etc.
-
- by David Putzolu
-
- This is the FAQ for rec.guns. It is organized in outline
- form with a list of the topics at the beginning. This FAQ is
- a compilation of the writings by various of the people in the
- rec.guns forum. If you have any questions that the FAQ does
- not answer, please post a message to rec.guns and you will
- find lots of helpful, friendly people willing to reply. If
- you feel that the FAQ contains incorrect FACTUAL information,
- (example: the number of cartridges a Beretta 92FS standard magazine
- contains) please contact the maintainer, David Putzolu, at
- dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu. Include the section that the error is in
- as well as the context of the error. If you disagree with some
- of the arguments in regards to areas that are a matter of
- opinion (example: is a 9mm or .45 better for defensive use?) or
- find the arguments to be incomplete, you must provide a complete
- re-write of the area in question, which, in any case, may or
- may not be included, depending on the judgement of the maintainer
- and possibly other self-important individuals. Sorry it has
- to be done this way, but I really don't have the time to answer
- every nit that someone has to pick with the FAQ. Your other
- option, of course, is to post an article on rec.guns on the
- subject, and if you find sufficient support to change the FAQ
- then it will be changed.
-
-
- I. Introduction
- C. Legal Disclaimer
-
- by David Putzolu
-
- The contents of this FAQ and the entire FAQ is simply a
- compendium of the writings of many of the knowledgable
- people on the rec.guns forum. No part of this FAQ should
- be viewed as legal advice. The reader must take full and
- complete responsibility for the laws regarding firearms
- in his jurisdiction as well as proper safety precautions
- involving every facet of firearms and related components.
- Any and all of this FAQ may contain errors, and it is the
- responsibility of the reader to check with his local
- law enforcement authorities as to the laws which dictate
- how, when, why, and where he may use firearms in any
- situation.
-
- Note that each article in this FAQ is the intellectual
- property of it's author, who retains the copyright to it.
- Permission is explicitly given to distribute this FAQ
- in its entirety via any electronic medium. Permission
- is explicitly denied to publish this FAQ in any printed
- medium. In order to gain permission to reproduce any
- part of this FAQ in a printed medium the person/organization
- wishing to publish said part of it must get the individual
- permission of each and every author whose writings
- he wishes to publish.
-
-
- I. Introduction
- D. Basic Gun Safety
-
- by Christian J. van den Branden Lambrecht
-
- Well I guess everybody knows all this perfectly but it is always good
- to review these things even if it looks like the first pages of every
- gun instruction manual.
-
- Before buying or even handling a gun, one has to realize that it can
- cause serious injury or death. Handling a gun makes you responsible
- for what happens with it at that time. If you own a gun, you are
- undertaking full responsibility for safety and security at all times.
- This means that you have to ensure that you or other people using your gun
- with your consent handle it properly. You have to make sure that
- nobody can steal or use your firearm without your consent.
-
- The actual rules are:
- ----------------------
- Always treat a gun as if it were loaded until you visually check it
- out.
-
- Never point your firearm in any direction you do not intend to shoot.
- In particular, do never point your gun in the direction of other
- people.
-
- Always have your gun pointed in a safe direction.
-
- Before handling a firearm, understand how it is working.
-
- Do not assume that a gun is secure, i.e. some guns have excellent
- security systems to prevent accidental firing (e.g. when dropped),
- others don't.
-
- Do not put your finger on the trigger unless you are ready to shoot.
-
- Keep your firearm unloaded when you are not using it.
-
- Never pass your firearm to anybody until you checked that it is
- unloaded.
-
- If you have to carry your gun loaded, always point it in a safe
- direction (e.g. the ground). Never carry your gun with the hammer
- cocked.
-
- You should store your firearm and ammunition in separate locked
- places. Pay particular attention that no child has access to the gun.
-
- Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
-
- If you own a gun for home defense, most of these safety rules will be
- violated. However in some countries, home defense can be important.
- You will then probably store your gun loaded in a place that you can
- quickly reach if you feel you are threatened. In this case, be really
- sure that it is unaccessible to children. Buy then the safest
- possible gun for this purpose. In handguns, revolver are nice in the
- sense that they will not fire unless you really pull the trigger. They
- have however some disadvantages for home defense (low round capacity,
- the hammer has to be cocked manually at each round to be in SA mode).
- IMHO, a very good home defense handgun is a Glock pistol. It has large
- capacity magazine, is as safe as a revolver and does not suffer of the
- SA/DA problem.
-
-
- I. Introduction
- F. The most common FAQ on rec.guns: I am thinking of buying a gun...
- what should I buy/do?
-
- by the Moderator of Rec.Guns
-
- You will get much advice from others on the net who read your post.
- But what seems to be the best advice we can give you, in my opinion,
- is to get enough info so you can make an informed choice yourself.
- This is not only a consumer issue, but also a safety issue. Before
- you buy, I strongly encourage you to take a basic firearms safety
- class, such as the NRA Personal Protection course. I suggest the NRA
- class in particular because it is generally of very high quality, at
- comparatively low cost (e.g., my wife and I, who are both certified
- NRA instructures, offer this at our cost of materials); many classes
- offered commerically, on the other hand, offer far less comprehensive
- a syllabus, and charge much more. The NRA class not only covers the
- basics of operation in a firearm, but safety issues in use, storage,
- transportation and cleaning. We also bring in both a lawyer and an
- officer to discuss both legal and practical issues related to use of
- a firearm in self defense. Its a great way to get a lot of questions
- answered!
-
- In general, we encourage people to take this course *before* purchasing
- a firearm, since it can help you make up your mind about even *whether*
- to purchase. But also, by being more informed about use and operation,
- you can't help but be a better consumer when you go shop. Many people
- find that some firearms felt comfortable in their hand while they were
- absolute novices; but once they learned the proper way to handle the
- firearm, other models or configurations become preferred. Finally, by
- getting hooked up with other knowledgeable shooters (who take or teach
- the class) you can often try out many different types of firearms, to
- help you decide which you like. You wouldn't invest in a car without a
- test drive; don't invest in a firearm you've never driven either. These
- same people can help you find safe and economical places to shoot, that
- is important to help you stay safe and proficient with the firearm if
- you choose to buy.
-
- Please feel free to ask all the followup questions you like; safety is
- that important to us here. Also let us know of your experiences, and
- give us feedback on how to best help the next novice who inquires.
- Welcome aboard -- stay safe --
-
- MODERATOR
- rec.guns
-
-
- I. Introduction
- G. Why should I join the NRA?
-
- by Don Baldwin
-
- Dear fellow shooter,
-
- I asked to write this part of the FAQ because I thought that having a
- liberal Democrat advocate joining the NRA would make a point regarding
- our firearms rights and the preservation thereof: that we're all in this
- together and that we had all better do as much as we can do protect those
- rights, NOW!
-
- The NRA is a very controversial organization in some circles and has taken
- a lot of heat from both sides of the gun debate. Some pro-gunners are
- contemptuous of its compromises, while gun control advocates call it
- inflexible for NOT compromising. Whatever your view, it is a sure thing
- that if the NRA did not exist today, we would now be living under
- gun laws as bad as those in Great Britain and similar countries.
- "Needs-based" licensing, registration, arbitrary bans on whatever is called
- the criminals' "weapon of choice" by those seeking to make easy political
- points at the expense of law-abiding citizens, storage requirements that
- make defense use practically impossible...these are the laws we would
- almost certainly be living under today, if the NRA did not exist.
-
- Since becoming active in the area of gun rights, I have read a bit about
- some of the charges made against the "inflexible" NRA...that they oppose
- all gun control laws, that they specifically opposed laws banning "cop
- killer" cartridges. The fact is that the NRA proposed an Instant Background
- check as a better alternative to the Brady Bill's waiting period but that
- proposal was turned down by the gun control advocates, despite the fact
- that a background check could block some sales of guns to criminals and
- waiting periods could not. I have also found out that the NRA *SUPPORTED*
- the law banning "cop killer" bullets, once that law was refined to the point
- where it would not ban ordinary hunting cartridges.
-
- Aside from their political advocacy of gun rights, the NRA also provides
- a number of valuable community services: gun safety materials and classes,
- shooting competitions and criminal justice reform policy suggestions that
- would punish violent criminals HARD.
-
- Today, the media and opportunistic politicians are attacking gun rights
- and the NRA as never before. Please join the NRA today and help make
- sure that they do not get their way!
-
- Don Baldwin
-
-
-
- I. Introduction
- H. I Don't Have FTP capability - can I use Email to Get FAQ articles?
-
- by Lance ?, Relayed by Dave Aronson
-
-
- If you have e-mail access to the internet, you can get access to any ftp site
- via e-mail from these two 'ftp via e-mail' servers:
-
- ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
- ftpmail@sunsite.unc.edu
-
-
- Here's a help file (on teetot.acusd.edu, as
- /pub/Beelzebub/FTP_via_Internet_Mail).
-
-
-
- How To
- Receive Documents
- from an
- FTP Archive
- via Internet MAIL
-
- ---===---
-
-
- I have had several requests for documents from the archive at:
-
- etext.archive.umich.edu
-
- from people that DO NOT have anonymous ftp access.
-
- There is a server at:
-
- ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
-
- that can accept "batch" ftp requests from you and then return the documents back
- to you via internet mail.
-
-
- The general way to communicate with this server is as follows:
-
- mail ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
- Subject: <return>
- <ftp command> <return>
- <ftp command> <return>
- <ftp command> <return>
- .
- .
- .
- <ftp command> <return>
- quit <return>
- <exit mail program and send mail>
-
-
- To get a list of commands and some information about this service:
-
- mail ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
- Subject: <return>
- help <return>
- quit <return>
- <exit mail program and send mail>
-
-
- Let's say that you wanted to get a list of all the files available in the JBS
- directory of my archive at etext.archive.umich.edu, do this:
-
- mail ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
- Subject: <return>
- connect etext.archive.umich.edu <return>
- chdir /pub/Politics/Conspiracy/LWB/JBS <return>
- dir <return>
- quit <return>
- <exit mail program and send mail>
-
-
- Suppose you wanted to get the following files from my archive at
- etext.archive.umich.edu:
-
- LWB/JBS/freedom.from.war
- LWB/JBS/jbs.book.list.01
-
- do the following:
-
- mail ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
- Subject: <return>
- connect etext.archive.umich.edu <return>
- chdir /pub/Politics/Conspiracy/LWB/JBS <return>
- get freedom.from.war <return>
- get jbs.book.list.01 <return>
- quit <return>
- <exit mail program and send mail>
-
-
- After a while you should get a response similar to this:
-
- From: "ftpmail service on ftp-gw-1.pa.dec.com" <nobody@pa.dec.com>
- To: lwb@cs.utexas.edu
- Subject: your ftpmail request has been received
-
- We processed the following input from your mail message:
-
- connect etext.archive.umich.edu
- chdir /pub/Politics/Conspiracy/LWB/JBS
- get freedom.from.war
- get jbs.book.list.01
- quit
-
- We have entered the following request into our job queue
- as job number 746315939.01678:
-
- connect etext.archive.umich.edu anonymous -
- ftpmail/lwb@cs.utexas.edu
- reply lwb@cs.utexas.edu
- chdir /pub/Politics/Conspiracy/LWB/JBS
- get freedom.from.war ascii
- get jbs.book.list.01 ascii
-
-
- There are 463 jobs ahead of this one in our queue.
-
- You should expect the results to be mailed to you within a day or so.
- We try to drain the request queue every 30 minutes, but sometimes it
- fills up with enough junk that it takes until midnight (Pacific time)
- to clear. Note, however, that since ftpmail sends its files out with
- "Precedence: bulk", they receive low priority at mail relay nodes.
-
- Note that the "reply" or "answer" command in your mailer will not work
- for this message or any other mail you receive from FTPMAIL. To send
- requests to FTPMAIL, send an original mail message, not a reply. As
- shown in the header of this message, complaints should be sent to the
- ftpmail-admin@ftp-gw-1.pa.dec.com address rather than to postmaster,
- since our postmaster is not responsible for fixing ftpmail problems.
-
- There is no way to delete this request, so be sure that it has failed
- before you resubmit it or you will receive multiple copies of anything
- you have requested.
-
- There is no way to ask for only certain parts of a file to be sent. If
- you receive output from ftpmail that seems to be missing some parts, it
- is likely that some mailer between here and there has dropped them. You
- can try your request again, but chances are fairly good that if it is
- dropped once it will be dropped every time.
-
- There is no way to specify that your request should be tried only during
- certain hours of the day. If you need a file from a time-restricted FTP
- server, you probably cannot get it via ftpmail.
-
- Ftpmail was written by Paul Vixie at the DEC Western Research Laboratory
- and at the DEC Network Systems Laboratory, from 1989-1993.
-
- -- Ftpmail Submission Transcript --
- <<< connect etext.archive.umich.edu
- >>> Connect to etext.archive.umich.edu as anonymous with -
- >>> ftpmail/lwb@cs.utexas.edu
- <<< chdir /pub/Politics/Conspiracy/LWB/JBS
- >>> Will chdir to </pub/Politics/Conspiracy/LWB/JBS> before I do anything
- >>> else
- <<< get freedom.from.war
- >>> get freedom.from.war ascii
- <<< get jbs.book.list.01
- >>> get jbs.book.list.01 ascii
- <<< quit
- >>> Done - rest of message will be ignored
- >>> checking security of host `etext.archive.umich.edu'
- >>> host `etext.archive.umich.edu' has IP addr [141.211.164.18]
- >>> host `etext.archive.umich.edu' is also known as
- >>> `hellcow.css.itd.umich.edu'
- >>> host `etext.archive.umich.edu' is ok
- -- End of Ftpmail Transcript --
-
- etc...
-
- Please refer to the man pages on ftp for more information on ftp commands.
-
- I will, from time-to-time, send/post a list of all files available on
- my section of this archive.
-
- Good Luck,
- Lance
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- End of rec.guns FAQ pointer.
-
- + David M. Putzolu - dputzolu@cs.uiuc.edu - My opinions only +
- + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ finger for pgp2.3 public key +
- + "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and +
- + bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against +
- + tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson +
-