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(MACXPERT) hi bob
(APPLE-BOB) hi, xpert!
(OZMA) Hello, Bob!
(APPLE-BOB) hiya oz!!
(TARTAN) Logging out all - thanks for letting me watch
(APPLE-BOB) lo tartan
(MACXPERT) stay, tartan
(APPLE-BOB) bye, tartan
(APPLE-BOB) yes, tartan...stay if you can!
(MACXPERT) <ironic that I can't enjoy VCO - sigh>
(OZMA) Nice to meet you, Tartan...can't you stay?
(APPLE-BOB) kelly is late tonite? anybody hear from him?
(MACXPERT) no, bob
(OZMA) no, bob, i didn't.
(APPLE-BOB) hmmm...he usually leaves word if there ar problems...thank you.
(MACXPERT) hmm, maybe I should do it for //e & mockingboard
(MACXPERT) <but will be slow in basic & no graphics>
(TARTAN) I hope to all - that's why I am watching tonight
(OZMA) I'm really impressed with VCO, Macx.
(APPLE-BOB) I'll buy one - probably ready before I have a working Mac.
(MACXPERT) thanks, ozma
(MACXPERT) I also have a new VCOexcept file but it's trapped in my Hyperdrive
(OZMA) That sounds like a terrible fate, Macx!
(MACXPERT) ~5
(OZMA) ~1~1
(APPLE-BOB) ~3
(MACXPERT) ~1
(OZMA) `1
(OZMA) oops
(APPLE-BOB) <wish I could see what I am doing>
(OZMA) ~0
(MACXPERT) <use the menu, it's easier>
(MACXPERT) <can't see it myself on //e>
(MACXPERT) bob, you have a ][ don't you?
(APPLE-BOB) my //c just shows "squiggle-number"
(MACXPERT) do any of the ][ people have a mockingboard?
(APPLE-BOB) yes, xpert - several
(MACXPERT) <same here - ~~~~ bob>
(APPLE-BOB) er...I have several //s...dunno about // users with mockingboard <on PLINK>
(OZMA) YOu know, Bob, you just gave me an idea...
(APPLE-BOB) <grin>
(MACXPERT) I'm tempted to hack up a basic terminal pgm with speech just so I can see this
(OZMA) what if there were an optional file here in the club...
(APPLE-BOB) yes, val?
(OZMA) where users could list the equipment that they have and use...
(MACXPERT) yep, sort of like the /UD file
(MACXPERT) good idea
(OZMA) would give you and Kelly a better idea of whehe group was going.
(APPLE-BOB) that's a great idea. We have been talking about an extended user file...I think Kelly was going...
(OZMA) ~3hmmm...gotta watch the typos with VCO.
(APPLE-BOB) to check with PLINK on it.
(APPLE-BOB) I'll check with Kel and let you know the status.
(OZMA) ~0
(MACXPERT) oz: hint: you can edit in the bottom part of the screen with cut/copy/paste
(OZMA) Great! thanks, Macx
(APPLE-BOB) I *hate* having to visualize all this stuff. I have never eben been able to see VCO! <grumble>
(MACXPERT) <that's why text is so slow - it uses TextEdit>
(MACXPERT) apple-bob, lisa still not working <sigh>
(APPLE-BOB) macx - presumably, decision on my new machine was to be made this afternoon...we'll see <skeptical after a yr>
(OZMA) Oh, dear, Macx...you are really having the hardware problems, aren't you?
(MACXPERT) yep, ozma-
(OZMA) ~7
(OZMA) ~0
(MACXPERT) my dealer already replaced power supply & analog card, still no luck
(APPLE-BOB) still no progress in diagnostics, xpert?
(APPLE-BOB) ic
(OZMA) I'm sure that that is annoying.
(APPLE-BOB) souds familiar.
(MACXPERT) no, they plug it in at the workbench all is fine...
(MACXPERT) but as soon as they bring it downstairs to
(MACXPERT) the display area it fails in a few minutes
(MACXPERT) and same thing as soon as I get it home
(OZMA) Maybe it only works at high altitudes!
(MACXPERT) <sigh>
(MACXPERT) ~1
(APPLE-BOB) <laugh> oz
(MACXPERT) ~0
(MACXPERT) ~2
(MACXPERT) ~0
(OZMA) ~4
(APPLE-BOB) can you stack those squiggle commands with more than one on a line, or is c/r needed?
(OZMA) ~3
(MACXPERT) hmm, I'm no the 5th floor, could be
(MACXPERT) yep, apple...
(JONO) <--SPLAT!-->
(JONO) <LLTM>
(APPLE-BOB) nice entry, jono! Hi.
(MACXPERT) hi jono
(OZMA) ~0
(JONO) Where's your daughter Bob???????????????? <grin>
(OZMA) Hi Jono!
(MACXPERT) ~[ ozma how about this? ~{ hugs!
(APPLE-BOB) dancing in the living room, jono
(JONO) Watch that language Ozma, I mean ~0 on an open channel is a little much <grin>
(OZMA) hahaha Mac
(MACXPERT) <what did it show and/or say>?
(APPLE-BOB) what happens with squiggle -1?
(OZMA) <confused>
(MACXPERT) ~1 is a snoopy-smiley face
(JONO) Bob; I tell ya, hook her up to PLINK and let her read section 13 in Exotica...
(MACXPERT) how about {ha
(APPLE-BOB) ferget it, jono! <laugh>
(MACXPERT) {snore
(MACXPERT) {eat
(MACXPERT) {drink
(JONO) then signal her to Partyline and tell her to type /CHAT JONO
(MACXPERT) ~2
(APPLE-BOB) xpert - I meant squiggle-minus-one
(JONO) Don't you trust me <innoc look>
(JONO) {gasp <whatever that means>
(MACXPERT) will ihgnore the ~- and show 1
(APPLE-BOB) no commment
(APPLE-BOB) thanks .
(MACXPERT) {7
(JONO) Ask Kelly, no, don't ask Kelly Bob!
(JONO) i have your address to bob <grin>
(MACXPERT) <can I do this one in mixed company>?
(APPLE-BOB) so does half of San Antonio, jono.
(JONO) ~9010010101
(APPLE-BOB) <laugh>
(MACXPERT) <better not>
(OZMA) haha...Macx..goning to have to go....
(MACXPERT) bye ozma <hugz>
(JONO) <chuckle> You are starting to get like Kelly bob, be carefu;l <grin>
(APPLE-BOB) awwww...bye oz! <Hugger>
(OZMA) ildren to put to bed...night all.
(JONO) /FIN APPLE-BOB-WIFE <grin>
(MACXPERT) lets do it again next week <I shoud have a mac>
(MACXPERT) you must have a handful, ozma <grin>
(APPLE-BOB) will do, xpert...but i'll still be vco-blind, if fear.
(JONO) How's your supply of paperclips MACX?
(MACXPERT) ~5
(JONO) Isn't that what you need to eject sdisks from a mac {grin
(MACXPERT) Jono: used one only once in 2 years - there are much easier ways to do that.
(MACXPERT) <like using DiskUtil or Fedit or rebooting with mouse button>
(MACXPERT) <or using cmd-shift 1
(APPLE-BOB) <recalling all those wonderful programs and commands from long ago>
(APPLE-BOB) I'm sorry...really getting p*ssed.
(APPLE-BOB) <grumble>
(JONO) Where the fugg is Kelly?
(MACXPERT) I could imagine - a whole year trying to get it fixed!
(MACXPERT) <VCO would have said "bleep" for that>
(JONO) Oops, plink personnel is present, I mean fun kelly..
(APPLE-BOB) I dunno, jono...hope he's ok - usually leaves word if he'll be late.
(JONO) I'm sure he's fine, he's got the moving blues!
(MACXPERT) he's here
(MACXPERT) <in clubs at least>
(KMAJOR) Hello, SORRY I'm late!
(APPLE-BOB) ono!!! I'm in the midst of that too.
(JONO) Let's ball him out!
(MACXPERT) hi kelly!!!
(JONO) Oh, Hi kelly, just talking about u wwith Bob
(APPLE-BOB) hi, kelly! Just talking about you.
(MACXPERT) ~4
(JONO) He's gonna sign his daughter up with an account..
(MACXPERT) <I forgot which commands are which after all this time>
(JONO) Tell him she's safe in chat with me <grin>
(KMAJOR) I don't blame you, am I fired?
(APPLE-BOB) jono trying to et me to turn over my beautiful 15 yr old daughter. Dreamer!
(JONO) Who's APPLE1
(JONO) Cough...
(APPLE-BOB) <laugh> not a chance! You do too much work here.
(JONO) I'm telling you Bob, I woulden't kiss here till the second chat <grin>
(KMAJOR) Apple1 is a club acccount with no permanent owner.
(JONO) Just ask Kelly, I'm a really cool guy, and I've unly been seen in the jungle a few times..
(JONO) and erotica once!
(KMAJOR) Yo, Tartan, just watching or did you find a Mac?
(KMAJOR) ~1
(APPLE-BOB) ~1
(APPLE-BOB) hahaha
(MACXPERT) ~1
(MACXPERT) ~2
(MACXPERT) ~~0
(KMAJOR) {horn Scott?
(JONO) {grumble
(JONO) SNOOPY DANCING!!!!
(MACXPERT) {rr
(APPLE-BOB) {laugh
(MACXPERT) {ha
(KMAJOR) Bob, any word on your machine yet?
(JONO) SNOOPY DANCING, watch it kelly...
(KMAJOR) ~0
(APPLE-BOB) kel - presubably, a decision was to be made this afternoon. I doubt it.
(JONO) Kelly:The rom upgrade is free..
(JONO) But I better pack some pjs cuz it has to stay overnight!
(KMAJOR) I was wondering if you got it all workled out, Jono.
(JONO) I just put on my charm to the same saleswoman.
(MACXPERT) I may end up with a Mac+ <but no hyperdrive> as a result of my dead mac
(KMAJOR) Still dead, Mac?
(MACXPERT) yep. power supply & analog card replaced
(APPLE-BOB) I am hoping for a mac+ and a 20meg apple hard disk + +...that's what I asked for.
(TARTAN) I'm checking in occaisionally? How does this appear on youscreen?
(JONO) Kelly...concearning what I think of you..
(JONO) ~5
(JONO) {grin
(JONO) {bell
(MACXPERT) {horn
(KMAJOR) Well, you look like charlie brown to me!
(JONO) {horn
(JONO) Charlie Black!
(TARTAN) I wanna be POGO!
(MACXPERT) tartan does all the { and ~ stuff look strange <using a //e now>
(APPLE-BOB) try squiggle 33
(KMAJOR) Scott, just watching then, I guess you didn't find a Mac?
(APPLE-BOB) sre does.
(TARTAN) Doesn't look strange, macx - I know what I'm looking at
(APPLE-BOB) er sure does look strange - to me, that's vco!
(JONO) ::MAIL::
(TARTAN) Just watching Kell - thos tnx for invite
(MACXPERT) tartan, do I know you from CIS?
(TARTAN) I have a CIS id - but we've never met
(MACXPERT) not even on MAUG?
(TARTAN) Nope.
(KMAJOR) Whats MAUG? [ha
(MACXPERT) <I'm not MACXPERT THERE>
(KMAJOR) {ha
(TARTAN) loggin out for a while - be back
(JONO) ~33
(MACXPERT) bye tartan
(JONO) Seeya Scott!
(APPLE-BOB) many aggravated unhappy groupies?
(KMAJOR) Ok Tartan - see ya later
(APPLE-BOB) see ya tartan
(JONO) What do you'all think is better.
(MACXPERT) tartan, are you BADDOG on delphi?
(JONO) : AE PRO or APPLE ACCESS //
(KMAJOR) I prefer females, Jono.
(MACXPERT) AE Pro by far!!!!!!
(KMAJOR) oh, hehe.
(APPLE-BOB) never used access...but AE Pro hard to beat.
(KMAJOR) AE PRO, no question about it.
(JONO) I didn't ask for an invalid opinion Kelly >grin>
(MACXPERT) <using ae pro now>
(APPLE-BOB) metoo.
(JONO) Not many people on delphi like ae pro!
(APPLE-BOB) not credible people..after all, they are on delphi.
(KMAJOR) Mac - Tartan is not BADDOG on Delphi.
(APPLE-BOB) <grin>
(MACXPERT) <just suspected who he might be>
(JONO) Hey, KElly uses Delphi, watch it!
(KMAJOR) I wish!
(JONO) <grin>
(APPLE-BOB) <ducking>
(MACXPERT) Has anyone seen MCS, the latest mac communications pgm?
(MACXPERT) by the author of Telescape & Binhex
(KMAJOR) I just use it for laughs. *grin*
(JONO) Hey, Tartan told me he may suprise everyone and make VCO work on the //
(APPLE-BOB) is it any good? compare to rr?
(KMAJOR) No, but my MicroPhone was shipped yesterday, fnally. Will be reporting on that.
(MACXPERT) haven't got my Microphone yet
(MACXPERT) I haven't tried MCS yet but it's not a general purpose program...
(APPLE-BOB) <wishing I had more $$$>
(KMAJOR) I callled them and kinda stirred em up to get answerts.
(MACXPERT) It's only for use between 2 macs
(KMAJOR) er answers
(MACXPERT) and uses X.PC protocol to chat/send/receive at the same time
(APPLE-BOB) i c, xpert - what is its virtue?
(KMAJOR) Where did you see an Ad
(APPLE-BOB) oh! nice!
(MACXPERT) it's uploaded to MAUG - $10 shareware
(JONO) Kelly, did you know the Unidisk has a eject button <grin>
(KMAJOR) A real button? How antiquated.
(JONO) No paperclip necessary!
(APPLE-BOB) Kelly - score 1!! laugh
(JONO) Sounds like a '57 chevy when it ejects though.
(MACXPERT) Supposedly someone figured out how to attach unidisk mechanism to Mac as an 800K external drive
(KMAJOR) Thats what I've been hearing too, seem like it should be possible.
(APPLE-BOB) heard rumors aobut that!
(KMAJOR) Best I can tell they are the exact same drive, internally.
(MACXPERT) a whole thread about it on CI$ a few weeks ago
(MACXPERT) yes, they are
(JONO) MAUG has toooo many msgs if you ask me!
(JONO) APPLE SIG of MAUG that is!
(KMAJOR) How about uploading MCS, I'd like to see that [hint.
(MACXPERT) Too much Apple // stuff now.
(JONO) {horn
(MACXPERT) I mean t apple /// stuff on MAUG
(JONO) Not enuff Apple // stuff here
(JONO) [hint
(APPLE-BOB) got it, jono.
(KMAJOR) I'm working on getting that fixed, Jono. Gimme a break!
(JONO) ~1
(MACXPERT) I'll try sending it from my //e <I have it as a macbinary file >
(JONO) Why should I give you a break <grin>
(MACXPERT) unless I get my Mac fixed first
(KMAJOR) Ahh, by the way Mac - have you ever seen documentation of the MacPaint file format?
(MACXPERT) Yes - in my old issue of IM <one of the addendum sheets>
(MACXPERT) written by Bill Atkinson himself
(KMAJOR) Is it very long?
(APPLE-BOB) why, kel...what are you planning?
(MACXPERT) a 512 byte header <patterns> followed by the output of the PackBits function
(JONO) Anyone wanna buy an ADAM computer...$200!!!
(MACXPERT) a series of scan-lines packed using PackBits
(KMAJOR) Well, Tartan is trying to improve upon that IBM/MacPaint file viewer but needs MacPaint file format info.
(MACXPERT) also a few short pascal pgms to read.write it.
(APPLE-BOB) i c...neat.
(JONO) Includes box, a big value, I rented it out to a family last month as they didn't have anywhere to live!
(MACXPERT) I'm not sure how PackBits compresses it
(KMAJOR) Also needs a complete desc of MacBinary format, I think I know where that is.
(MACXPERT) I could upload that <it's on my //e now>
(JONO) YEah, I think Tartan is crazy with all those ideas..
(JONO) Ohh Hi scott!
(JONO) {grin
(KMAJOR) Great! - Please do!
(TARTAN) Also need resource file layout
(KMAJOR) resource files aren't all the same.
(MACXPERT) probably wouldn't need resource file layout for stuff like macpaint files
(TARTAN) I know - I know
(JONO) ~1
(TARTAN) Problem is that the faces files you use are resource files
(MACXPERT) That's in IM & it's sort of a pain - lots of pointers
(TARTAN) No prob ptrs - I'm an asm pgmmr from way way back
(MACXPERT) oh. it has several kinds of headers and pointers in several places to get one piece of info
(TARTAN) Notice no word in above sentnc more than six lettrs
(APPLE-BOB) <laugh>
(KMAJOR) Good point, Tart!
(TARTAN) you bet
(MACXPERT) I could type in all that stuff from IM and upload it
(MACXPERT) <the resource format that is>
(JONO) }horn
(JONO) {horn
(MACXPERT) tartan: how about in the form of C .H files?
(JONO) Well, bye all!
(MACXPERT) bye jono
(APPLE-BOB) bye jono
(KMAJOR) Nite, jono - have a good one!
(JONO) Don't get up, I'll get the door
(TARTAN) type?
(JONO) {grin
(JONO) {poof
(TARTAN) US Snail would be quite enoug, Macx
(MACXPERT) I could copy it from my _old_ looseleaf IM
(TARTAN) If'n ye wood, I'd shore appreciate it, good sir
(MACXPERT) ok.
(TARTAN) I'll mail you a mailing address.
(MACXPERT) as for the icons themself, they're 128-byte images
(KMAJOR) Is the new IM copy protected?
(KMAJOR) <grin>
(APPLE-BOB) <laugh>
(MACXPERT) the new one is harder to copy - hard covered <grin> won't fit in my machine
(MACXPERT) ~1
(APPLE-BOB) should i get the new one? or is my old 2-binder set ok?
(KMAJOR) {drink
(MACXPERT) Your old one should be Ok if you have all the supplements
(KMAJOR) With the Mac+ out, they are all obsolete now.
(APPLE-BOB) good! yeah, got all the supplements.
(MACXPERT) <if you bought it & the SS, you should receive a bound edition>
(APPLE-BOB) great!!!! <grimace>
(MACXPERT) no mention of new ROMs in the new IM
(APPLE-BOB) thanks, xpert...I'll have to check into that.
(MACXPERT) tartan: you're trying to adapt mac formats to the PC? sounds interestinmg!!!
(KMAJOR) Have you seen the IBM program to view MacPaint files?
(MACXPERT) no. does it use a standard graphics card?
(MACXPERT) can it run on a Tandy 2000 with the hi-res color screen?
(KMAJOR) I'm not sure, really....
(KMAJOR) it runs on the IBM at work, I think we have hercules card
(MACXPERT) how about an AT? <I have Xenix, not DOS running on the one at work>
(KMAJOR) it doesn't do the pictures much justice, they are real tall and skinny.
(APPLE-BOB) wrong club...but has anybody seen/used a Leading Edge? Model D, <I think>?
(KMAJOR) Yea, I had it on an AT at work.
(MACXPERT) Our AT is also on the verge of getting sick - developed a hard disk error today & crashed with a PANIC
(KMAJOR) Not I
(APPLE-BOB) tnx
(KMAJOR) Have a backup?
(MACXPERT) yep <takes so long to back it up>
(MACXPERT) we average about 1 crash every 2 days on it
(KMAJOR) Its not that bad with the 1.2 meg drives.
(APPLE-BOB) that's awful, xpert!
(MACXPERT) using TAR it is <sigh>
(KMAJOR) Oooo, thats not a good record at all.
(MACXPERT) we have 2M ram on it - used to crash more often with only 512K