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- Subject: TCP Digest #134
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- Date: 14 Sep 90 01:24:28 GMT
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- TCP-Group Digest Mon, 10 Sep 90 Volume 90 : Issue 134
-
- Today's Topics:
- Choosing an SSID (4 msgs)
- Mailbox ID
- RSPF problems
- rspf status.
- RSPF version doesn't do ARP replies
-
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- Date: Sun, 9 Sep 90 08:47:22 -0700
- From: brian (Brian Kantor)
- Subject: Choosing an SSID
- To: packet-radio, tcp-group
-
- Originally the AX.25 SSID (secondary station identifier) was more or
- less intended for those who had multiple stations to be able to
- differentiate between them even though they had the same callsign.
- Thus WB6CYT-1 and WB6CYT-0.
-
- However, they're immensely useful in selecting the FUNCTION that a
- particular connection provides. For example, -0 is a person, -1 is a
- digipeater, -2 is a BBS, -3 is TCP/IP, etc. Whether these are just
- logical separations or whether it is actually utilising different
- equipment is usually moot from the standpoint of the person connecting.
-
- Of course, with net/rom complementing the SSID every time it
- masquerades as a connecting user, such distinctions may well make no
- difference. But in more enlightened areas where net/rom does not hold
- sway, the differing SSIDs could be useful.
-
- The examples above are somewhat common in my area, but not universal.
-
- Is there any sort of consensus as to which SSID should be used for what?
- - Brian
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sun, 9 Sep 90 14:40:29 CDT
- From: brainiac!jrc (Jeffrey Comstock)
- Subject: Choosing an SSID
- To: shamash!ucsd.edu!tcp-group@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu
-
- Here is what is going on in the Minnesota area:
-
- -0 Mixture of RLI bbs's, Keyboard to Keyboard, Personnal
- mailboxes on Kantronics and AEA TNC's.
- -1 Keyboard to Keyboard.
- -3 Msys BBS's.
- -9 Netrom and TCP/IP.
- -15 The first hop from a netrom.
-
- The -9 for TCP/IP and Netrom is because initially most connects
- to the TCP/IP stations were via Netrom connections.
-
- It seems that -7 is the international designation for KA-Nodes.
-
- Jeff
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sun, 9 Sep 90 23:31:43 EDT
- From: crompton@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (D. Crompton)
- Subject: Choosing an SSID
- To: brian@ucsd.edu, packet-radio@ucsd.edu, tcp-group@ucsd.edu
-
- For whatever reason we in the Mid Atlantic area are (generally) using
- -8 as TCP/IP SSID with IPxxx as netrom ID - I.E. wa3dsp - IPDSP
-
- Doug
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 10 Sep 90 10:10:18 BST
- From: Dave Lockwood <vision!davel@relay.EU.net>
- Subject: Choosing an SSID
- To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
-
- Here in the UK, the use of SSIDs is sorta "standardised". But like most
- standards, we have quite a few of 'em :-).
-
- Our Net/Rom Nodes and BBSs require special licenses from our DTI (=FCC).
- Net/Roms are GB7+two letters and BBSs are GB7+3.
-
- In this group, the "standard" is:
-
- -0 No recommendation
- -1 Microwave
- -2 144 MHz
- -3 HF
- -4 70MHz (4 metre band)
- -5 TCP/IP
- -6 50MHz
- -7 432MHz
-
- The rest are also "no recommendation". As here such stations proliferate to
- a ridiculous degree (my home town of Wakefield pop 75000) has three BBSs
- serving it, all providing exactly the same functionality), users get used
- to seeing the SSIDs used as above and tend to adopt the same principle.
- There's certainly no legal reinforcement of the above, indeed it's interesting
- to note that the licensing authority views the callsigns embedded in the
- address field of AX.25 frames as irrelevant and are not judged to be
- "identification". Callsigns in plain text (in the info field) are.
-
- Returning to SSIDs, when I allocate an Amprnet address, the text I send
- to the requestor includes a sentence: "When operating your TCP/IP station
- the recommended callsign/SSID is 'G9XYZ-5'". The majority of users
- comply, but I've noticed the ones who don't tend to be TCP/IP gurus.
- Is there a lesson here (lotsa :-) before the flames start).
-
- 73
- --
- -------------------- I'm totally incommunicado, except for ---------------------
- Dave Lockwood ...!uunet!mcsun!ukc!vision!davel davel@vision.uucp
- Technical Consultant ...!uunet!bulus3!bungia!vware!davel davel@vware.MN.ORG
- VisionWare Ltd, G4CLI@GB7YHF.194.GBR.EU dave@g4cli.ampr.org
- 57 Cardigan Lane, D.LOCKWOOD@ICLX davel@vision.co.uk
- Leeds, LS4 2LE, +44-532-788858 +44-831-494088
- United Kingdom +44-532-304676 "Hey, You!"
- ----------------------- VISIONWARE DOS/UNIX INTEGRATION ------------------------
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sun, 9 Sep 90 23:34:32 EDT
- From: crompton@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (D. Crompton)
- Subject: Mailbox ID
- To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
-
- A local BBS operator has requested that the NOS BBS ID be changed
- from [NET-$] to [NET-H$] - this was done in net towards the end but
- somehow got lost in NOS.
-
- Doug
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sun, 9 Sep 90 23:46:19 EDT
- From: crompton@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (D. Crompton)
- Subject: RSPF problems
- To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
-
- We implemented RSPF on our 2 meter TCP/IP network and had very bad
- results. IT was implemented as per Anders note. I have to admit that
- I have been very busy and have not had a chance to thoroughly read the
- RSPF paper. Here is what we are seeing -
-
- Jheard (ax heard) list is nothing but garbage.
- Hard coded routes (for all interfaces) are lost after
- a few hours of operation. This is with 'rspf attach' on just
- one interface. After this happens ONLY rspf equiped stations
- update the route list. All other routes (net stations and non
- rspf NOS) are lost.
- Minor note - the reporting router message at trace reverses the
- displayed IP address - I.E 44.80.0.70 displays 70.0.80.44
-
- We have suspended operation of RSPF to see if there is some other
- code problem in the latest G1EMM version.
-
- Maybe someone could explain what we should see? Should we see routes
- added in the route list? Can hard coded routes still exist and not
- be bothered? Should they be route add privates maybe? Should you
- normally not add any routes on the rspf interface and just let it do
- it's work?
-
- I think there should be more status info from RSPF. At the moment you
- have to trace to see anything. Something like 'rspf status'.
-
- Doug
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 10 Sep 90 11:24:20 GMT
- From: kelvin@kelvin.uk22.bull.com
- Subject: rspf status.
- To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
-
- Doug et al,
- rspf status is implemented in 900828 v1.1 and I have fixed the reversed
- host address on the trace. I have noted all the problems you guys have seen
- with routes being lost etc. I haven't seen any ax25 heard list corruption
- however. I'll look into that just in case ax25.h has somehow got changed to
- the version with the TX fifo in use. I don't really want to try and debug
- too much of rspf as it is really Fred and Anders baby and they are best
- equipped to analyse coding and protocol faults. I'll look at the ARP bug
- though.. Thats a bit too serious to leave. I think 90082811.exe/zip are
- up on thumper. If not, I'll put the latest I have up A.S.A.P.
- All the best,
- Kelvin.
- +-------------------------------------------------+
- | Kelvin J.Hill - BULL HN Ltd, Hounslow, England. |
- | Internet - kelvin.uk22.bull.com [128.35.110.6] |
- | Amprnet - g1emm.ampr.org [44.131.7.6] |
- +-------------------------------------------------+
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sun, 9 Sep 90 10:59:57 CDT
- From: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu>
- Subject: RSPF version doesn't do ARP replies
- To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
-
- I built a version of NOS 900828 with Anders Klemets' RSPF and FORTH code
- included last night. It seemed to work OK, except that it wouldn't reply to
- an ARP request for its own address. I tried an arp publish, and that didn't
- help matters any. Stock 900828 works fine. Any ideas? I hadn't started any
- RSPF timers yet, but starting them made no difference. Thanks...
-
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