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- Can the AT's high-density 1.2-meg floppy drive read and/or write diskettes in
- the 360K format? Apparently IBM advises against trying to write 360K disks in
- the drive, though it can read such disks easily. Members of the SIG have had
- varying experiences with the porting of 360K disks from the AT to PC/XT-type
- machines. Various methods of preparing an ordinary DSDD diskette for use on an
- AT's high density drive include bulk erasing, and use of the /4 parameter when
- formatting.
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- Fm: Sandy Kaston 76044,1757
- To: ALL 1.2 MEG DRIVE USERS
-
- I am in the process of purchasing a new computer system and am getting
- conflicting stories from the various vendors. The problem regards the use of a
- 1.2 megabyte disk drive. Some vendors say that in order to maintain
- compatibility with our current PC's (i.e. be able to share 360K disks) I must
- purchase a 360K drive on my new ssystem. Other vendors say that the 1.2
- megabyte drive can both read and write to 360K disks without any problems. Are
- any of you using the 1.2 megabyte drive? Are you having any compatibility
- problems? Can files written onto 360K disks by the 1.2 megabyte drive be read
- by standard 360K drives and visa versa? I look forward to your response.
-
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- Fm: Jim Foy 75735,1505
- To: Sandy Kaston 76044,1757
-
- The 1.2meg drives lay down a much narrower track than the 360K's. Therefore
- there is a significant chance that a disk formatted and written to by a 1.2meg
- drive will be read in error by a 360K. Although it will often work, it
- sommetimes won't. I Hve had success in formatting diskettes on a 360K drive,
- then writing to them on the 1.2meg, and later reading them on the 1.2meg.
- However, some folks have indicated that they have had problems reading such
- diskettes after a couple of weeks--the passage of time seems to degrade the
- data.
- I summary, you can probably read diskettes that were written by a
- 1.2meg drive on a 360K drive, but if your application is critical, I wouldn't
- recommend it.
-
-
- Fm: Ben Klausner 70340,374
- To: Sandy Kaston 76044,1757
-
- If you never trade disks with anyone, you won't need a 360. Disks written on a
- 1.2 cannot generally be used by a 360 drive, although disks written on a 360
- can easily be used by a 1.2. It's a one way street.
-
-
- Fm: c mcguinness 70000,764
- To: Ben Klausner 70340,374
-
- Not quite true. I write disks on a 1.2m floppy all the time and have them read
- on standard PC drives. Just format them /4, and it almost always works!
-
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- Fm: Ben Klausner 70340,374
- To: c mcguinness 70000,764
-
- According to a very old thread here, that usually wouldn't work, unless you
- formatted the disk in the 1.2 drive, copied your data to it, and then read it
- off the 360 within 48 hours. That seems to be the general experience. If you
- are reading with the 360 all the time, so much the better.
-
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- Fm: Ben Klausner 70340,374
- To: Sandy Kaston 76044,1757
-
- I don't reccomend getting a "real" IBM 360 for the AT. They have a funny
- seating system, and until you get used to it, you will have to re-insert about
- 1/2 of your disks when you try to use them. Get a color coordinated dirve from
- a supplier, and it will avoid that problem. Be cheaper too.
-
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- Fm: Stephen Satchell 72736,70
- To: Sandy Kaston 76044,1757
-
- OK, here is my input to this as one of the EARLY IBM PC AT users. I had a need
- to communicate from my AT to a Compaq (S/N 1725). I didn't have the boxful of
- null cables nor nifty comm programs that make fast work of transferring data
- around. So I played with a bulk magnetic tape eraser with the diskettes and
- discovered that I can write a diskette on an AT and read it on an XT, Compaq,
- Radio Shack and several other machines.
-
- Here's how: First, take a DSDD diskette, a new one is preferred, and fully
- demagnatize it using a bulk eraser intended for audio tape (I use a Robins T99
- that I purchased for my recording business). Then format it on the 1.2 MB drive
- with the command "FORMAT A: /4". Then write your files as usual. You will find
- that you will have no problems reading this diskette on a DSDD drive. DON'T
- WRITE THIS DISK WITH A DSDD DRIVE! Use a different diskette. Also do not depend
- on long term readability; I always DISKCOPY on the Compaq.
-
- How does this work, you ask? As mentioned before, the 1.2 MB floppy writes a
- thinner track. By bulk-erasing the diskette you insure that the unwritten
- portions are neutral and do not interfere with the ability of the DSDD drive to
- read what track has been written. Since a disk drive works with flux CHANGES,
- having no change at all has little effect in the unwritten portions.
-
-
- Fm: David Turcotte 70150,540
- To: c mcguinness 70000,764
-
- I've been using a 1.2 mb drive and formating disk that are read on the 360k
- drives all the time. NEVER had a problem.
-
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- Fm: Jim Butler 74766,1460
- To: Don Watkins 76703,750
-
- Wooooah! Don, please let me get this straight. I have a 1.2 meg h.c. floppy on
- my IBM AT. How can I put data on a high capacity diskette that a 360k disk
- drive in a pc can read? or did I come in the middle and miss something? or is
- there something wonderful here?
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- Fm: Don Watkins 76703,750
- To: Jim Butler 74766,1460
-
- Jim - Ah, sorry, you can't read diskettes formatted @ 1.2Mb in a 360Kb drive,
- but contrary to a lot of warnings I've had no problems reading floppies,
- formatted @ 360Kb in the high density drive, on any other machines.
-
- A lot of vendors and others here have reported problems porting the diskettes
- around and recommend a 360Kb drive in the 286 or the AT if you're going to do
- diskettes for the PC, but I've not had a problem...yet.
-
- I both read and write 360kb diskettes with the 1.2mb drive and have never had a
- failure. Based on other comments I'll admit I seem to be in the minority, but
- I've swapped a lot of diskettes out and have never had a problem.
-
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- Fm: Jim Butler 74766,1460
- To: Earle Robinson 70135,141 (X)
-
- As I recall from the manual, I have to use a special paramater to format for
- 360 k though (like a /4 or /8 as I recall) ... should I use a hc diskette and
- just format it for the lower density, or should a 360 k diskette work just as
- well?
-
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- Fm: Earle Robinson 70135,141
- To: Jim Butler 74766,1460
-
- No reason to use a hc diskette for that; you would be wasting money. Use a
- fresh dsdd diskette, or even a good brand of a ssdd diskette will often do it.
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