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CURRENT_MEETING_REPORT_



Reported by Steve Hardcastle-Kille/UCL and Tim Howes/UMICH

OSIDS Minutes

Agenda

Introduction and Welcome

Chair Steve Hardcastle-Kille called the meeting to order after some
furniture moving at 9:42am.

Previous Minutes

The Minutes from the February meeting at SRI and the May video
conference were accepted without change.

Liaison Reports


   o RARE WG3 (Erik Huizer - RARE)
     RARE WG3 has had one meeting since the last OSI-DS meeting.  Erik
     reported the following:


      -  PARADISE has now taken over operation of the COSINE X.500 pilot
         project.

      -  The next RARE WG3 meeting will be in Zurich from 9/30 to 10/2.
         The meeting will include demos of lots of X.500 DUAs (for Macs,
         Unix, VMS, etc).  Others are encouraged to attend and to
         contact Erik about bringing a DUA to demo.  Erik also mentioned
         that there is the possibility of making funds available to
         someone from the US for the trip.


   o ISO/CCITT (Steve Hardcastle-Kille in lieu of a representative)
     There will be one more meeting before the 1992 white book comes
     out.  This meeting will be in Berlin.

   o OIW (Russ Wright - LBL)
     Russ reported that at the OSI Implementors Workshop the following
     agreements had been reached:


      -  Change the maximum APDU size to 256K (up from 32K),

      -  Up the 6 line by 30 character postaladdress limit to 6 lines by
         60 characters (see mtr's report below).

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o NADF (Marshall Rose - unaffiliated)
  Marshall passed out a revised copy of the US Naming Scheme document
  now known as NADF 175 and reported the following:


   -  NADF 175 will be submitted as an RFC soon.

   -  NADF naming documents can be obtained from [e-mail]

   -  NADF naming documents can be obtained from [e-mail]

   -  NADF naming documents can be obtained from [e-mail]

   -  The NADF expects to sponsor a pilot to test its agreements
      sometime in first quarter 1992.

   -  The NADF was not pleased to hear about the OIW agreement about
      a postaladdress.  Apparently, postaladdress limits are
      determined by a separate international agreement and cannot
      simply be changed to suit X.500.  After some discussion, it was
      decided that OSI-DS should support the standard (i.e., 6 by 30)
      definition.


o FOX (Steve Hotz - ISI)
  Steve reported the following FOX activities:


   -  Approximately 85K NIC WHOIS entries are now online in SRI's
      DSA.

   -  SRI is also working on a lightweight application to access this
      information in X.500.

   -  SRI and Merit will work together to provide replication of the
      WHOIS information.

   -  There are now RFC and FYI document subtrees under o=Internet.

   -  Merit has put a Site Contacts database online under o=Internet,
      which the NSFNet network operations center is using.

   -  Merit has also begun to put NIC profile information online.


o PSI White Pages (Wengyik Yeong - PSI)
  Weng reported that the PSI WPP would be focusing on four areas in
  the near future:


   -  Increasing reliability (through probing, e.g.)

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   -  Transition to NADF naming scheme

   -  Transition to the OSI-DS DSA naming scheme

   -  Upgrading all pilot members to ISODE/QUIPU 7.0


o PARADISE (Steve Hardcastle-Kille - UCL)
  Steve reported that the PARADISE project was doing the following:


   -  Running the world-wide root DSA at ULCC (Giant Tortoise)

   -  Running a DUA service at ULCC for European organizations

   -  Producing a glossy report <how can people get a copy of
      this???>

   -  Helping other implementations, in particular Pizarro, join the
      pilot


o AARN (Steve Hardcastle-Kille in lieu of a representative)
  Steve reported that there is a funded directory service pilot
  started in the Australian Academic Research Network and that they
  will be sending a representative to future OSI-DS meetings.  Graham
  Rees at the University of Queensland is the AARN contact person.

o NORDUNET (Geir Pedersen - NORDUNET)
  Geir reported that a directory services group is operating within
  NORDUNET. The group focuses on promotion of the directory within
  the Nordic countries.

o CNI (George Brett - CNI)
  Coalition for Networked Information:


   -  Members include Association for Research Libraries, CAUSE
      (administrative computing) and EDUCOM (academic computing).

   -  7 Working Groups:  commercial publishing, non-commercial
      publishing, standards and architecture, management and
      professional education, K-20 education, directories and
      networked research centers (user services people).

   -  George Brett and Peggy Seiden are involved in the directory
      Working Group.  They are interested in a top node or directory
      of directories, and bibliography of bibliographies.  They
      currently have a flat file, and are now working on an X.500
      implementation with Merit.  Also looking at a WAIS database.
      The Merit work involves a schema to represent the library of

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         congress enhanced MARC record.

      -  Documentation on CNI's activities includes an article in Cause
         & Effect, v14no2, summer 1991.  The Minutes of their last
         meeting can be made available to the list by George.  There is
         also a listserv list called cnidir-l.

      -  Art St.  George of CNI is interested in K-12 use of networking.



Internet Resource Descriptions in X.500 Document (OSI-DS 17)

After much discussion, the general consensus on this document was that
it needs to be rewritten with a more object-oriented approach.  The
feeling was that the object class for an Internet Resource should be
broken up more in line with the standard's description of auxiliary and
structural object classes.

Document Progression

Vint Cerf reported that all the technical RFCs were close to publication
and would be out in ``a matter of weeks''.  Because of the general
importance to the Internet community of deploying a Directory Service,
the overview and strategy documents should be merged and their scope
widened.  It was agreed that Steve H-K should revise the document, in
association with appropriate IESG and IAB members.  Review should be
done via email, and that a separate subgroup not be formed.

The scope of the Working Group was also considered, and the group was
favourable to moving the activity out of the OSI area and into the
Applications area.

OID Assignment (OSI-DS 10, RFC 1239)

It was decided that the existing OIDs will stay.  A small debate
followed about whether the current naming authority (under UCL) was ok,
or whether it should be changed to the IANA. It was agreed that OIDs are
just numbers, so the assignment authority is less important than
stability.  Currently assigned OIDs should not be adjusted.  This had
already been agreed between Steve H-K and Jon Postel.  New OIDs would
probably be assigned under an IANA subtree, subject to consensus with
non-Internet users of this schema.  It was agreed that this document
could and should progress rapidly to RFC.

Requirements Specification Document (OSI-DS 18)

This document had been drafted after an agreement at the
videoconference.  After some discussion, it was agreed that a document
of this nature would be important in the future, but was premature.  It
should be put on ice for now.

More Resources Description Document Discussion

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Mark Knopper of Merit said he was interested in putting NSAPs in the DIT
and doing reverse lookups.  Along with Chris Weider, he volunteered to
write something up by mid-September on how to do this.

NIC Profile Information Document (OSI-DS 16)

After some discussion, it was agreed that Chris Weider should rewrite
this document along the same object-oriented lines as discussed
previously.  There was also some discussion about how this information
should be organized in the DIT, since some NICs are real organizations,
others aren't, some are listed in other parts of the tree, others
aren't.  Steve H-K drew a diagram describing a structure that could
accommodate both situations, and it was generally approved.

K-12 Schema Document

It was agreed that this document suffered from the same object-oriented
concerns as the others and should be rewritten.  Also, it was decided
that a companion document addressing DIT structure for these objects
should be produced.  Chris Weider and Mark Knopper were elected for both
tasks.

Network Infrastructure Information in X.500

This document is already being rewritten and was not discussed.

Pictures in the Directory

Russ Wright presented a brief overview of the problem (summary:  the
g3fax format is bad), and a potential new format that is better (JPEG).
It was agreed that JPEG is a step forward, but more study is needed on
the transition path, potential size limits, etc.  Russ Wright, Peter
Yee, Tim Howes, and Mark Smith (in absentia) volunteered to look into
these issues.

Quality of Service (OSI-DS 15)

The QOS definitions were generally accepted, and the next step is to
start making use of these attributes now that the syntax handlers are
available in QUIPU 7.0.  Russ Wright, Erik Huizer, and Tim Howes
volunteered to try incorporating QOS into some DUAs to gain some
experience with its use.  All of the represented pilots agreed to
install the appropriate attributes into their DITs.  Both efforts were
needed to make an effective test of the Internet Draft.  The Internet
Draft should not be submitted as an RFC until results of this piloting,
and probable modifications to the Internet Draft, had been done.

NADF Naming Document

NADF 175 is now considered Stable and a Good Thing by NADF, and will be
released as an RFC Real Soon Now.

Naming Guidelines Document (OSI-DS 12)


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After some discussion about multi-national organization naming, it was
agreed that this document should be progressed to RFC status pending
ironing out of some minor issues which will be done via email.

AOB

Erik Huizer made a request for someone from the US to look into issues
involving security/privacy laws in the US that might relate to X.500.
This is something that has come up several times in Europe.

Next Meeting

Steve would like to have the next OSI-DS meeting around Interop.

Summary of Action Items


   o George Brett:  Find out how to get CNI documents and send this
     information to the osi-ds list.

   o Mark Knopper, Chris Weider:  Write a paper describing how to store
     NSAP information in the DIT (mid-September).

   o Chris Weider:  Rewrite Resource Description paper.

   o Chris Weider:  Rewrite NIC Profile paper.

   o Mark Knopper, Chris Weider:  Rewrite K-12 Schema paper.

   o Mark Knopper, Chris Weider:  Write a companion paper to the K-12
     Schema paper describing the suggested DIT structure.

   o Russ Wright, Peter Yee, Tim Howes:  Experiment with JPEG photos in
     the Directory.

   o Russ Wright, Erik Huizer, Tim Howes, others:  Incorporate QOS into
     DUAs and pilot exercises.

   o Steve Hardcastle-Kille/Paul Barker:  Initiate an email discussion
     on the Naming Guidelines document and progress it to an RFC when
     all concerns have been addressed.

   o Steve Hardcastle-Kille:  Schedule the next OSI-DS meeting at or
     around Interop.

   o Steve Hardcastle-Kille:  Produce new strategy/overview document.


Attendees

Claudio Allocchio        [e-mail]
William Biagi            [e-mail]

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Peter Boos               [e-mail]
David Brent              [e-mail]
George Brett             pls@psulias
Ross Callon              [e-mail]
Vinton Cerf              [e-mail]
Richard Cherry           [e-mail]
Chi Chu                  [e-mail]
Richard Colella          [e-mail]
Curtis Cox               [e-mail]
Ralph Droms              [e-mail]
Urs Eppenberger          [e-mail]
Arlene Getchell          [e-mail]
Jack Hahn                [e-mail]
Steve Hardcastle-Kille   [e-mail]
Susan Hares              [e-mail]
Ittai Hershman           [e-mail]
Russ Hobby               [e-mail]
Steven Hotz              [e-mail]
Tim Howes                [e-mail].
Erik Huizer              [e-mail]
Holly Knight             [e-mail]
Mark Knopper             [e-mail]
Christopher Kolb         [e-mail]
Ruth Lang                [e-mail]
Anthony Lauck            [e-mail]
Louis Leon               [e-mail]
Peter Liebscher          [e-mail]
Carl Malamud             [e-mail]
Bill Manning             [e-mail]
John McGuthry            [e-mail]
Joe Peck                 [e-mail]
Geir Pedersen            [e-mail]
Mel Pleasant             [e-mail]
Marshall Rose            [e-mail]
A. Minick Rushton        [e-mail]
Harvey Shapiro           [e-mail]
Keld Simonsen            [e-mail]
Subu Subramanian         [e-mail]
Jesse Walker             [e-mail]@decpa.dec.com
Chris Weider             [e-mail]
Brian Wheeler            [e-mail]
Linda Winkler            [e-mail]
Russ Wright              [e-mail]
Peter Yee                [e-mail]
Wengyik Yeong            [e-mail]



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