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These are the minutes from the Network Information Services
Infrastructure (NISI) WG meeting of Monday, March 16.
The Agenda consisted of:
Announcements/Status Reports
Information Discovery
Next Project
1. Announcements/Status Reports
The "Building a Network Information Services Infrastructure" document
was issued as an FYI 12 in February.
The document on "Privacy and Integrity Issues in NIC Databases" is now
in draft form and will be reviewed by the volunteer authors.
(Basically, all the authors had seen the outline, but not the draft at
the time of the meeting.) Once they are satisfied, it will be sent to
the whole NISI list for review and comments.
2. Info Discovery
This was left from the last meeting. There was great interest in the
question of, once we have information, how do we let users know it's
there? Since the lats meeting, lots of other groups have also become
interesting in this question (well, there were a lot of people
interested long before the last meeting obviously). We decided that
this was an implementation question beyond the scope of the NISI
group. We would stay informed of the work of other groups and provide
input from a user point of view to them. (After our group met, I
attended the wais-X.500 BOF, which turned out to include many other
"info servers." That group decided to form an official working group
to work on matters related to allowing existing info services to
interact. This is something to keep an eye on.)
3. Next NISI Project
a. brainstorming
We tossed around a few ideas for future projects, which I list here
in no particular order. This was brainstorming, so don't ask
for detailed descriptions of each idea.
- service discovery (finding out what services are available on the Internet)
- procedures for NICs to deposit information into the various info
services
- a "nethelp" utility that would give users fast, uniform info on
what the Internet is and how to use it
- a list of useful services to do
- a list of services each site offers
- a mailing list archive
- a clarification of the core of info about the Internet that all
Internet NICs should provide
- tools to provide info
Of these, we had the most interest in the lists of services and
the "nethelp" (Martyne Hallgren must get credit for that coinage)
service.
b. list of services doc
This doc will follow the IAFA recommendations and publish a list of
the services available from that administrative subdomain (not
necessarily just from that one site, but from the various service
providers at that administrative entity). The list of services is
something like a description of the various services and information
on how to access them.
This document may, in fact, overlap the Nethelp doc described
next. It may have been another approach to the same information.
I'm sure any overlap will come to light as work progresses on the
docs. For now, let us think of this document as the description
of the services that a nethelp tool could access (i.e. the tool
could access these descriptions). The next document describes
what we want the tool to look like (generically) and do.
Peter Deutsch, Jake Feinler, John Clement, Cyndi Mills, and April
volunteered to work on this document.
A draft of this document is due by the next IETF meeting in July.
c. Nethelp doc
This doc is aimed at specifying the type of information a nethelp
service would provide. A nethelp service is envisioned to be
something a new user can very easily access that will orient him
toward what the Internet is and where he can get more info about
it. But what info should such a service provide? Here are some
of the ideas that were tossed around:
- network use etiquette and guidelines
- new user guide fino
- usage policy
- info re the net
- net access info
- resources and services
- answers to commonly asked questions (which we can glean from NICs)
- who to call for help
Other thoughs re this doc were should it have a standard interface or
not (the vote was no, but an easy interface is necessary); it should
include help for individual sites re what they can add/customize; it
should address the fears a new user has about breaking stuff if he
tries new things; it could be scalable and include hooks to add
information that might benefit more experiences users as well, or
include pointers to more detailed, technical info an different
subjects. Specifying concrete ideas in this area might add to the
momentum of getting funding to implement such a utility or help those
with info servers to extend them to this use.
Another idea regarding the interface was that it could start
with standard questions, such as who-is, what-is, where-am-i,
how, where-is, etc.
Although the scope of the document was not fully defined in the
meeting, it will concentrate on what information the NISI group would
recommend that such a program contain, possibly even including
explicit text, what services such a program should provide, and,
generally speaking, what the program could look like. It will
not necessarily cover implementation strategies, although those
can be considered as well.
Martyne Hallgren, Ellen Hoffman, Scott Williamson, Marsha Perrot,
Tim Berners-Lee, Pat, and April will be working on this doc.
Suggestions online are welcome!
A draft of this document is due by the next IETF meeting in July.
d. other
There was another suggestion that came up amongst the nethelp
discussion that is worth noting, although it is probably out of the
scope of NISI (every time I say something like that, you can challenge
it, of course). It was the suggestion that a controlled usage
environment be created where users can test out their knowledge of how
to use different Internet resources, such as FTP. It would be a
closed environment in that it would not affect Internet use or
operations, but would be realistic in that it would simulate the
Internet environment. It might have slightly more user friendly error
messages and more help/guidance in using the net. Such an environment
could be used to allay fears new users have about using the net that
cause them to experiment less than they might otherwise if they were
confident they couldn't break anything. It would be especially useful
for pre-college age users.
Action Items:
April and Pat to write new goals and milestones for the WG.
Volunteers start working on the docs.
WG to follow new goals and milestones. (We'll send them to the list.)