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Minutes of the Benchmarking Methodology Working Group (BMWG)

Reported by Kevin Dubray


     The BMWG met at the 39th IETF in Munich on 12 Aug 97.  The session was
attended by 55 people.

     The agenda was approved as presented.  The major topics discussed were:

        1.  draft-ietf-bmwg-lanswitch-06.txt
        2.  draft-ietf-bmwg-mcast-02.txt
        3.  draft-ietf-bmwg-secperf-00.txt

     A question was asked as to why the Cell/Call Terminology draft was
removed from this session's agenda.  The chair informed the group that
the editor had recently changed employers and was unable to affect the
changes mandated at the Memphis meeting in the required time frame.

     In addition, the chair further announced that the IPPM effort was being
detached from the BMWG.  As such, the BMWG charter was being amended to
reflect this separation.  The chair announced a draft of the revised BMWG
charter had been submitted to the Area Directors.


1. Benchmarking Terminology for LAN Switching Devices.

     Dubray stated that it appeared that the LAN Switch terminology draft was
nearing Last Call status.  With that he introduced Bob Mandeville to lead a
discussion to fine tune the draft in preparation of its Last Call.

     Bob mentioned that one of the items that he would like to modify
is to return the term "one-to-one mapped traffic," item 3.3.1. to the
original wording in a earlier draft, "non-mesh traffic."  David Newman
articulated that when many people talk to him about the condition conveyed
by one-to-one mapped traffic, they called it "non-mesh."  Dubray stated that
while the two terms are very related, they are different.  He further stated
that one-to-one mapping has industry precedence in several benchmarking
applications.  Jim McQuaid suggested that perhaps an effective
compromise would be to keep the generic term, non-mesh traffic, but give
it the the meaning of "one-to-one mapped traffic."  The group agreed
that this would be an acceptable workaround.

     However, Newman stated that he had issues with the use of non-meshed
traffic distribution in benchmarking scenarios.  Dubray noted that use of one
traffic distribution pattern over another was really a methodological
detail best left to the future methodology document.

     On the burst related terms, section 3.4, Bob asked the group whether the
notion of capture effect should be introduced in the terminology draft or in
the subsequent methodology document.  There was a general feeling that the
mention of capture effect as an "issue" was suffice and a detailed accounting
for the issue in the related methodology document was reasonable.

     Dubray raised some other minor issues:

     1.  He did not see the need of the last paragraph of section 3.2.3.
     2.  The example chart in the discussion of Maximum Forwarding Rate had
         the incorrect entry of Offered Rate versus Offered Load.
     3.  In the discussion of the term OLOAD, wording should be added that
         obliges the report of Oload in association with Forwarding Rate.

     Bob articulated that he would also like to change the last paragraph
in term 3.2.3 by dropping it and re-introducing related wording from a
previous draft.

    Bob commented there was an additional paragraph in the draft that he wished
to discuss with Scott Bradner before modifying.  Bob also mention that there
was a query as to why multicast was not considered in the LAN switch draft.
Bob stated that his reply was there was an explicit multicast draft in
progress.

    With the discussion of the LAN switch draft drawing to a close, Mandeville
turned the floor over to Dubray.  Dubray queried the group as to whether they
felt a Working Group Last Call was appropriate for the document when the
the proposed modifications were folded into a subsequent draft.  Most to all
indicated that it was appropriate.  In response to a connected question,
a short review of the steps associated with taking a draft to an
Informational RFC was presented.  The AD, John Curran, verified that the
procedure was correct.


2. Terminology for IP Multicast Benchmarking.

    The next item on the docket was the discussion of the Multicast
Benchmarking Terminology draft.  Dubray gave a very brief recap of the Memphis
presentation.  He then went over the 3 major modifications to the current
draft:

    1.  Moving the basic nomenclature (e.g., Iload, Oload, Forwarding Rate,
        etc.) to the LAN Switch Terminology document.
    2.  Changing the name of term 3.1.1, Flow, to Traffic Class.
    3.  Replacing the Scaled Group Throughput (SGT) metric with Scaled Group
        Forwarding Matrix (SGFM).

     The first item was straightforward; there was no associated discussion.

     On the second item, there was agreement that the identification of
logical equivalence classes of traffic was a good and needed thing.
There was not any disagreement with regards to the recasting of the term
"Flow" to "Traffic Class."  Dubray pointed out that the definition of
Traffic Class cascaded down to two related definitions, Group Class and
Service Class.  The group noted the definition of Service Class was a
particularly a good thing.

     On the topic of Scaled Group Forwarding Matrix, Dubray differentiated
between that term and its predecessor, Scaled Group Throughput.  In a slide,
(mcast-02, slide 5), Dubray showed the power of the SGT metric in contrasting
between throughputs of various target multicast groups in a single DUT
scenario.  In the next slide (mcast-02, slide 6), Dubray demonstrated the
issue that Scott Bradner and others had with the SGT metric:  it did not lend
itself to straightforward comparisons across multiple DUTs (represented by the
various shade bars) because of the moving baseline, Throughput, as represented
by the horizontal lines.

      Dubray said the metric was reworked to allow for better comparison by
using Forwarding Rate as the baselining mechanism.  A target Forwarding Rate
can be easily be ascertained from a known Offered Load, thereby serving as
a baseline or fixed reference for the tested devices in a particular
configuration.

     Dubray indicated some general problems with the multicast forwarding
benchmarks.  The currently proposed benchmarks do not consider multiple
source addresses.  Nor do they consider many-to-many relationships.  In
general, he said, multicast was problematic in its characterization because
there were potentially "many axes" to consider when conveying results.

     Others in the group were quick to point out that other factors may
need to be conveyed, such as forwarding decisions as a function of forwarding
rate.  Jim McQuaid believed that expanding benchmarks beyond the standard
two dimensions was fast becoming a requirement across other BMWG actions,
such as the Network Security Device Terminology draft.  Dubray stated that
he would be very receptive to suggestions with regards to generic wording,
were it applicable.  He cautioned, however, that generic wording sometimes
lacked the specificity required to convey the information needed for
correct and consistent interpretation of the metric with regards to
a particular test case.

     Coming back directly to multicast, Dubray noted that in other
multicast-related working groups, it seemed to be a pervasive
understanding that the current scenario where multicast is most mature
is the one source-to-many destinations scenario.  While a similar focus is
most likely sufficient for this draft, Dubray invited others to participate
in adapting the benchmarks for many-to-many test cases.


3. Benchmarking Terminology for Network Security Devices.

     David Newman was introduced to lead a discussion of the
initial draft on "Benchmarking Terminology for Network
Security Devices."  David was immediately greeted with a variety
of input:

      - Avoid redefining previously defined BMWG terminology.
      - Use, if needed, the term's "Discussion" section to articulate
        interpretation details of previously defined terms in the context
        of draft.
      - Consider reworking the usage of the terms "multi-homed"
        and "policy".
      - Presentation style: Consider using Table of Contents and
        group related concepts together. This may "flow" better than
        presenting the terms alphabetically.

     David thanked the group for its input; he went on to say that the
document, in its initial form, is a seed document.  He had hoped
to elicit a discussion from which the future direction of the
draft could be better determined.  Specifically, he had a
a few basic questions for the purposes of the draft.

      - What is a security device?
      - At what layer in the 7 layer OSI model are measurements
        useful with regards to security device performance? And what
        do you measure?
      - Does security device architecture matter?

   During the discussion of the first question, "What is a security device,"
there was much talk over features and access.  One person commented that
the word "access" was itself an ambiguous concept - ambiguous enough
to warrant caution should one decide to use it to  build a definition
for a security device.

Another idea presented was synchronizing the definition of a security
device with the work done in the IPSEC area.  Newman commented that
would be fine for a Layer 3 centric approach, but was that enough?

Another discussion on the defining features for a security device ensued.
John Curran commented that an idea of methodology and a notion of what
would be done with a defined term is as important as the term itself.
There is no utility in defining a metric that can't be gathered or
a term that is too difficult to define.  For instance, it may be
better to discretely focus on firewall performance than to address
the performance of "security devices."

It was conceded that this question required further thought and
discussion.

David focused the group on the second question: At what Layer do
we measure security device performance?  For example, should the
focus be on "sessions" or "packets"?

A reinforcing idea from an attendee stated that the aforementioned
division excluded ATM security services in lieu of IP security services.
Another comment suggested that useful metrics may not necessarily reside
exclusively on "one Layer."  Useful metrics may be had by combining
data points from multiple layers, such as plotting authentication rate
against traffic forwarding rate.

Bob Mandeville offered the general observation that "you can mix what
you well define."

Someone raised the question of test configurations. Was it more
important to scrutinize a single device or a security solution built
from heterogeneous components acting as some black box?  Many were of
the mind that the black box approach was more realistic.

John Curran re-stated that this effort would have a better chance
of success if activity were undertaken to limit the effort's scope -
decide to specialize on Network Address Translation, encryption,
web proxy, etc.

Others thought that providing a more narrow set of metrics to be
applied to a varied set of security devices may be useful as well.
Jim McQuaid, stated that one such metric, throughput, maybe be
better suited for the task at hand than a forwarding rate type of
metric.  It was important to ascertain the rate at which there was
no loss of policy enforcement.

A question was raised during the throughput vs. forwarding rate
discussion of how does one differentiate router functionality versus
security device functionality - especially in light of the fact
that many routers now embed "security" features?  Another security
device feature discussion ensued.

David refocused the group by rephrasing the second question: What and
where do you measure?  There was some discussion about the benefits
of measuring "PDUs" versus other values.  Dubray stated you measure
what has relative importance in the context of the characterization;
it may be a forwarding rate, it may be some generic transaction rate.

There was a discussion of characterizing functionality versus
characterizing performance.  Some thought that conformance testing
was needed to enforce interoperability.  Dubray interjected the
IETF line: "The IETF is not in the conformance test business."  He
also noted, however, that the methodological qualifier "correctly" was a
very powerful word.

The discussion turned full circle when it was commented that
Curran's original suggestion to de-scope the effort to
focus on firewall testing was not unappealing.  Newman countered
with that was OK, but time and again we will return to referencing
a wider set of features.

With regards to the last question, "Does device architecture
matter," most thought that it really did not matter.  There
may be divisions of where you look, such as Layer 2/Layer 3 for
addressed-based scrutiny or Layer 7 for Proxy related issues.  However,
in the end, it is the treatment of the data unit that matters.

As time was waning, David thanked people for their input and
asked folks to continue to give him feedback.

Dubray reviewed the goals for next period:

    - Prepare for WG Last Call on the LAN switch draft;
    - Update and reissue the Cell/Call Terminology draft;
    - Continue the multicast draft discussion and reissue
      draft as necessary.
    - Progress the Security Device Benchmarking Terminology
      Draft.
    - Post the revised BMWG charter.