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This is an unedited version - Megan 04/20/92
BGP/CIDR BOF
Wednesday, 18 March, 1992, 1:30-3:30pm.
San Diego IETF
Chaired by Yakov Rekhter (IBM Watson) and Peer Ford (LANL)
The BGP working group met jointly with people interested in
Classless InterDomain Routing (CIDR) in a BOF to discuss the
development of an addressing plan which can be used for IP.
CIDR would allow collapsing adjacent network addresses into a single prefix,
and that prefix would be passed within the routing system as the
route to all the "collapsed" networks. CIDR is proposed to mitigate
the scaling problems in the Internet's routing system which are due to
``flat routing'' and the fact that the Internet will shortly (1-3 years)
run out of class B addresses. When the Internet runs out of class B addresses,
the current available option is to allocate class C network addresses which
will require networks which have more than 255 end systems to advertise
multiple network addresses to the global Internet routing system.
The purpose of the BOF was to discuss various schemes for assigning and
collapsing addresses, including collapsing along a multi-level
hierarchy, what the hierarchies would look like (size and placement),
what the mapping between network providers and collapsed prefixes would
look like. There was a significant turnout of interested people and
the discussion was quite spirited.
Yakov Rekhter led off the discussion with a brief overview of CIDR and
an explanation of the goals of the BOF. He then presented a proposal for
Address Assignment Authorities (AAAs). Following are notes from his
slides:
{beginning of slides}
Goal: "Recommended Guidelines for IP Address Assignment."
To achieve:
consistency
efficiency
ease of management and coordination
"Address Assignment Authority" (AAA)
Distributed way of managing address space
Promote routing information efficiency
Recursive ==> delegation of AAA
Need to extend CIDR
Pure class "C" supernetting provides _limited_ extension with
respect to the IP address space
Large portions of A & B are still unused!
"AAA" concept needs to be applied to the _whole_ IP address space.
How to carve address space?
Top-Down to ensure feasible routing (wrt scaling)
How many levels
Branching Factor at each level
(deep trees vrs bushy trees)
Need to determine number of top level AAAs.
CIDR & "NSAP Address Guidelines"
Attempt to solve the same problem
May benefit from coordination between NSAP address assignment and
IP address assignment
Single AAA --> IP & NSAP
IP and NSAP topology is likely to be congruent
Address administration boundaries are likely to be congruent:
a service provider provides both IP and CLNP services
the same geographical area provides both IP and CLNP services
{end of Slides}
Yakov went on to propose a possible allocation of AAA's, which was to
assume a top down allocation of 1000 AAAs which would require
coding top level AAA coding of 10 bits. Within the class c
address space this would imply that each AAA would have a
maximum of 1000 class C network addrs.
This was a good starting point for discussing network topology
issues, and "who would be candidates for being AAAs?".
There were several people disagreeing with Yakov's proposal for picking
a fixed size breakout for top level AAAs. Several people
proposed an allocation of top level AAAs which was scaled by the
size of the community one was trying to serve, perhaps
using the population size or the size of the telephone networks as
scaling factors. It was noted that using a Kampei style address
assignment scheme might be a good thing to do here.
There was concern expressed for deploying CIDR too soon, before
a sufficient technology base was deployed for aggregating multiple
class C network addresses. Several people noted that
this may have severe impacts on intra-domain routing protocols since
an aggregated prefix would have to be exploded to its constituent
class C networks if the routing protocols did not handle
aggregation correctly (RIP and EGP).
There was significant discussion of how to carve up class A and class B
network addresses effectively. There was general concurrence that
for the time being class A's should not be allocated. This would be until
there is a technology base which can be used with carved up A's. It was
noted that this would be feasible once most routers "knew how to
do variable length subnets".
There was discussion on how Class C# (Solensky and Kastenholz) could
coexist with CIDR.
Jon Postel gave a short description of what the IANA does and how it
decides who gets what network addresses.
The discussion clearly overran the time allotment and future
discussion of this issue was proposed to continue on Email
using the big-internet@munnari.oz.au mailing list. Yakov Rekhter
agreed to discuss with the IESG about forming a working group to
work on an IP addressing plan.