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CURRENT_MEETING_REPORT_
Reported by David Lippke/UTEXAS
LISTBOF Minutes
The Automated Internet Mailing List Services BOF was held Monday night,
before the regular Working Group meetings on Wednesday and Thursday
mornings. The purpose in holding the BOF was simply to gather
interested folks in order to conduct a rather open and free-wheeling
discussion about the list server problem and the Working Group's Agenda.
A rather wide-ranging discussion did ensue. Topics ranged from ``How is
this any different than netnews?'', through the enumeration of specific
features that the ``phase 2'' list server world should offer, and on to
the presentation of interconnection models and the cures for certain
problems that will arise in the ``phase 2'' work.
In spite of the meeting's unstructured format, the group reached three
conclusions:
1. Simple statement of why the Working Group exists: Dealing with
Internet mailing lists is a pain for everyone involved -- users,
list owners, and postmasters alike. Internet mailing lists lack
fundamental features such as access control and standardized
archive maintenance. In short, the Internet mailing list world is
a very primitive one... one which is in serious need of
improvement.
2. Netnews groups and list server lists are closely related methods of
group communication. While each has its own area of most
appropriate application, their services are more alike than
different and, in particular, they are nearly identical (in
principle) at the user level. Consequently, eventual integration
of their services is expected --- at least at the user interface
level if not also in the very provisioning of the services
themselves.
3. Implementation point: If the phase 2 world seems to require a new
(transport-level) protocol definition, the burden of proof (that
the protocol is actually necessary) rests with the Working Group.
Attendees
Thomas Brisco brisco@rutgers.edu
James Conklin conklin@bitnic.educom.edu
John Curran jcurran@bbn.com
Johnny Eriksson bygg@sunet.se
Erik Fair fair@apple.com
Jill Foster jill.foster@newcastle.ac.uk
Maria Gallagher maria@nsipo.arc.nasa.gov
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Russ Hobby rdhobby@ucdavis.edu
Neil Katin katin@eng.sun.com
Vincent Lau vincent.lau@eng.sun.com
Eliot Lear lear@turbo.bio.net
Louis Leon osll@emuvm1.cc.emory.edu
David Lippke lippke@utdallas.edu
Daniel Long long@nic.near.net
Joseph Malcolm jmalcolm@sura.net
Keith Moore moore@cs.utk.edu
Chris Myers chris@wugate.wustl.edu
Mel Pleasant pleasant@hardees.rutgers.edu
Harri Salminen hks@funet.fi
Theodore Tso
Gregory Vaudreuil gvaudre@nri.reston.va.us
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