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                     IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)

                  REPORT FROM THE TELECONFERENCE

                       OCTOBER 17TH, 1991


         Reported by:
         Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary

This report contains

        - Meeting Agenda
        - Meeting Attendees
        - Meeting Notes

Please contact IESG Secretary Greg Vaudreuil
([e-mail]) for more details on any particular topic.




Attendees
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    Almquist, Philip / Consultant
    Borman, David / CRAY
    Chiappa, Noel
    Coya, Steve / CNRI
    Crocker, Dave / DEC
    Crocker, Steve / TIS
    Estrada, Susan / CERFnet
    Gross, Philip / ANS
    Hinden, Robert / BBN
    Hobby, Russ / UC-DAVIS
    Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
    Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet
    Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI

Regrets

    Callon, Ross / DEC
    Davin, Chuck / MIT

Agenda
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1) Administrivia
   - Bash the Agenda
   - Approval of the Minutes
     - Approval of unsent minutes (July 30th- Sept 12th)
   - Next Meeting

2) IAB Report

3) Review of Selected Action Items

4) Protocol Actions
   - Review of outstanding Protocol Actions
   - PPP

5) RFC Editor Action
   - IP over SNA

6) Working Group Actions
   - Internet School Networking
   - IP over ATM
   - Ethernet MIB

7) Tech Management
   - CIPSO
   - Distributed Conferencing
   - Router Requirements Buyers Guide

Minutes
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1. Administrivia

1.1 Agenda Bashing

The Agenda was amended to include several new items

1.2 Approval of the Minutes

1.2.1 Unsent minutes (July 30-September 19th)

The announcement of the availability of the minutes was approved by
the IESG.

Action: Vaudreuil -- Install the IESG minutes in the remote
directories and send the announcement of their availability.

1.3 Next Meeting

The IESG planned to meet by teleconference October 31st.  The agenda
will include discussions of technical management topics not covered in
this conference.

The IESG has been invited to join FARNET Monday night of the IETF for
dinner.  Arrangements will be made by FARNET.  Susan Estrada will
serve as liaison for meeting logistics.

ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send a note to the IAB and IESG inviting them to
the FARNET dinner Monday night of the Santa Fe IETF.

2. IAB Meeting Report

Phill Gross gave the IESG a brief overview of the IAB meeting held at
Interop.  This meeting was attended by several  IESG members and IETF
Working Group chairmen at various times to discuss specific issues.

Among the actions discussed by the IAB:

The standards process document which has been under development off
and on for the past several months was approved.  Dave Crocker, one of
the original authors discussed this document with the IAB and was
satisfied with the edits proposed by the IAB. The only outstanding
issues have to do with the relative levels of Applicability Statements
(AS) and the corresponding Technical Specifications (TS).

Steve Hardcastle-Kille joined the IAB in discussing several of the
X.500 documents.  All were approved per the IESG recommendation except the
"String Encoding of Presentation Address" which with the concurrence
of Steve Hardcastle-Kille was suggested as an informational document.

The IAB continued work on its charter, a document necessary to the
association between the IAB and the Internet Society.  While the IESG
supports this association, it is concerned that it has not been
consulted in this process.

ACTION: Gross -- Communicate to the IAB the desire of the IESG to have
input into the framework for the association between the IAB and the
Internet Society.

3) Review of Action Items

(130) Jul 11 [Philip Almquist]
         Create a finished version of the TOS specification ready to
         be published as a Proposed Standard, as soon as possible.

Continuing.  No progress to report.

(163) Aug 02 [Noel Chiappa, Bob Hinden]
         Investigate the progress and direction of the IPLPDN working
         group and report to the IESG.

Continuing.  George Clapp has not yet been approached about
recharting the working group, however, both Hinden and Chiappa are
convinced the group needs to be reformed to deal with the issues if
addressing and routing in large Public Data networks, rather than the
IP over New-Foo.

(222) Sep 19 [Noel Chiappa]
         Contact the author of the PPP documents and the chairman of
         the PPP working groups to clarify for the IESG the "lineage"
         of the current PPP documents with respect to their
         authorship.

This action has been transfered to Vaudreuil, who will shepard the
documents through the process.

(150) Jul 18 [Steve Coya]
         Draft a sample, generic letter to be used by corporations to
         give the IAB control over the future evolution of a
         particular protocol.

Concluded: Coya has sent the letter to the IESG.  D. Crocker now has
the token to generalize the note.

ACTION: D. Crocker -- Do something with the Generic change control
lettter.

(144) Jul 18 [Steve Crocker]
         Combine or rationalize the proposed security campaign with
         the security are plan.

Continuing: This important action has been relegated to the low
priority que due to other pressing concerns.  It was suggested that
this action was OBE, but at Crockers request, it will continue to be
carried as a "poker".

(181) Aug 15 [Russ Hobby, Steve Crocker]
         Organize an agenda for the Distinguished Name Teleconference.
         Work with Vaudreuil to schedule an appropriate time.

Concluded: This conference was held, and minutes were distributed to the IESG.

(202) Sep 05 [Steve Crocker]
         Work with the author of the Security Information Transfer
         Protocol to determine the constituency and necessity of this
         protocol.  Report findings to the IESG.

Continuing: A new issue over the coordination with the SNMP has
emerged, and so Davin will be added to this action.

(210) Sep 19 [Chuck Davin, Phill Gross, Dave Crocker]
         Determine the proper course of action to resolve the new
         conflict between the SNMP Bridge MIB and the IEEE Source
         Routing MIB.  This action should include sending the liaison
         letter to the IEEE letter.

This action is half completed.  The direction has been set, but the
letter has not yet been sent to the IEEE.

ACTION: Gross -- Secure the necessary IAB buy in and send the Bridge
MIB Liason letter to the IEEE.

(157) Jul 25 [Phill Gross, Susan Estrada]
         Explore the need for an operations DNS working group, and if
         needed, find a chair and write a charter for a DNS operation
         meeting, where close coordination with the protocol group is
         explicitly specified.

OBE: The efforts to start a operational DNS group have faltered and
are no longer being pursued.

(203) Sep 05 [Greg Vaudreuil]
         Send a note to the RFC Editor that the author of the Security
         Information Transfer Protocol wishes to advance this document
         though the standards process and has begun a dialogue withthe
         IETF community.

Done.

(204) Sep 05 [Greg Vaudreuil]
         Notify the RFC Editor that the Finger protocol should be
         republished as a Draft standard with two additional changes
         mailed earlier to the author and RFC Editor.

Done.

3. Protocol Actions

3.1) Point to Point Protocol

Greg Vaudreuil discussed the status of the revised PPP documents with
Drew Perkins.  While Perkins regretted that he not able to contribute
to the revision of the PPP protocol, he accepted that the protocol
document should continue to evolve with a new editor.

ACTION: Vaudreuil: Interact with the authors to get a new version of
the document. This new version should prominently acknowledge the
contributions of Drew Perkins, and should list the current editor as
an editor.

3.2) Review of other protocols

4) RFC Editor actions.

4.1 IP over SNA

The IESG reviewed the IP over SNA specification. While this document
was not of the quality the IESG normally expects of a protocol
specification, it found the subject matter interesting and a possible
candidate for standardization.

Action: Almquist-- Send a message to the RFC Editor with a technical
review of the IP over SNA, and the IESG view on standardization of
this work.

5) Working Group Actions

5.1 Internet School Networking  (CoSN)

The original charter for this working group, K-12 networking, was sent
to the IESG-Tech mailing list and received many comments. The content
and purpose of the group was soundly endorsed, however the domestic
emphasis needed to be clarified.  The IESG approved this Working Group
with changes to the title and wording.

The more general topic of regional Working Groups was briefly
discussed, and on first cut the IESG felt that they can be justified,
especially in the operations, and User Services areas.

ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Record the latest version of the Internet School
Networking charter and send an announcement to the IETF mailing list.

5.2 IP over ATM (atm)

The IESG reviewed the IP over ATM charter and approved its contents
and focus.  The intended working group product will be an experimental
protocol, which may as some point be entered into the standards
process.  While unusual in the IETF, the IESG endorsed this as proper
use of the standards development system.

Continuing concern over the interaction between IETF and other
standards bodies will be addressed by Phill Gross.

Action: Gross -- Converse with George Clapp to confirm that the
charter of the IP over ATM working group is properly limited to avoid
conflict with other standards bodies. Notify the IESG of the results
from this interaction.

An ATM presentation is scheduled for the Santa Fe meeting.  Tracy Cox
of Bellcore is scheduled to give a presentation.  This presentation
will likely focus on ATM as a common carrier standard, and Hinden, the
chair of the IP over ATM working group suggested that a second
presentation be scheduled on the use of ATM as a local area network
standard.

ACTION: Gross -- Explore the possibility of an ATM Mini-Agenda during
the Technical Presentation time.  This agenda should focus on ATM as
both a wide area and a local area networking standard.

5.3 Ethernet MIB

Chuck Davin was not present in this teleconference, and so discussion
on this item was deferred.

5.4 CIPSO

The CIPSO WG met at the regular TSIG meeting this week. There was a
bit of concern expressed that the IETF may not be the best forum for
continuation of the CIPSO work. It does not appear that this is a
widespread feeling, however, it demonstrates the need for building a
wider bridge to the TSIG.

Three technical issues have arisen for which IESG guidance has been
sought.

1) Mike St. Johns wants the protocol to look very much like the DOD IP
Security Option.  Apparently the rest of the CIPSO WG does not agree.
It is unclear whether this is a great or terrible idea.

Action: S. Crocker -- Gather opinions from Steve Kent and Vint Cerf
    on whether CIPSO should look like IPSO.

2) With the new emphasis on manageability of the Internet, it was
unclear to S. Crocker and the CIPSO working group whether a MIB is
necessary.

POSITION: A MIB is not generally required for Proposed Standard
Protocols.

NOTE: The CIPSO effort is proceeding without a MIB.  A MIB will be
defined prior to DS.

3) Because CIPSO is an IP level option, it's important that it be
engineered for efficient implementation in routers.  Critical
review of this aspect of the protcol is desirable.

ACTION: Chiappa, Borman and Almquist -- Review CIPSO protocol document
when it's available and flag any portions which affect basic
assumptions about the IP architecture and the Internet infrastructure.
S. Crocker will make sure the document is routed to them.

6. Technical Management

6.1 Distributed Conferencing

Discussion on the IETF mailing list indicates significant interest in
developing production facilities for distributed conferencing. Interop
had several demonstrations of Video over the IP network, demonstrating
the emergence of technology capable of at least limited use.  Several
research efforts have been underway for some time and may be ready for
re-engineering into a standards based system.

Russ Hobby has agreed to hold a BOF to explore the various aspects of
distributed conferencing, including shared workspace, real-time audio
and video protocols, and the related transport, networking issues.

6.2 Router Requirements Buyers Guide

The Router Requirements effort is wrapping up, with the production of
a massive requirements document and a handful of smaller explanatory
notes. The requirements document is a real complex work, and as such
is of limited use of a network user.  The idea to write a buyer guide
was suggested to translate this quality piece of work into real
advise.

Recognizing that there ave distinct classes of routers, a guide was
envisioned to be a listing of features deemed necessary for a
particular class of router, and the requirement level for each of
these features.  A second document, a "consumers report" listing
routers and their conformance was seen to be one of the most useful
outputs of such an endeavor. While the "consumers report" was
acknowledged to be very valuable, the IESG strongly rejected the
notion of the IETF producing such a work.  Other organizations such as
FARNET may be more willing to tackle such a project.

ACTION: Estrada, Gross, Stockman -- Resurface the "guide to Router
Requirements" in the Santa Fe ORAD meeting.