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NCSA Telnet Digest          May 20, 1989         Volume 2 : Issue 24
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Subjects:
    2.3b4 posted, new beta test version
    user interface problem - command key while moving windows
    server addresses for beta test versions
    TCPort compatibility
    ESCape back to VT102 from Tek emulation requested
    Problem with 2.3 & FastPath
    untarring PC archives
    subnetting problem in 2.2, works in 2.1?
    paste speed to host is too fast, can't be regulated
    keeping track of the different versions, wish list
    3C503 driver requests (again) and LocalTalk
    Kermit and NCSA Telnet interface compatibility desired
    back issues of NCSA Telnet digests missing
    32bit color QuickDraw incompatibility?
    problems with FTP over MAC-level bridges
    scrolling bug in VT emulation

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Another beta version posted, looks like we are getting close now.
Changes made in the last couple of weeks are the direct result of
user feedback about the new features in the 2.3 beta test version.
Don't feel shy about suggestions and please report all bugs.

b2 to b4:
  fixed Set Transfer Directory, it is real nice now.
  vtlines=24 or however many lines you want this session to be
  block keyword allows you to tune performance, set to 100-200 for
    quick Ctrl-Cs, set to 4000 for slow Ctrl-C with better performance.
    block is set once, not once for each session.
  localkeys={3,19,17}  for setting interrupt, suspend and resume keys
    (per session setting)
  passfile="myfile" - myfile may be in system folder instead of requiring
    full pathname as before.  Full pathname still works.
  memory allocation should be fixed - report any memory funny business.
    should not get fragmentation causing out of memory errors so often.
  0 bytes remaining - no longer stays at 0 during the whole transfer.
 '~' the tilde character was annihilated in macros, now allowed.
  Origin mode finally implemented in 2.3b4.

Posted in the NCSA_Telnet/macbeta directory and on the archive-server in
the Telnet_Mac-beta directory.  telnet.b4.sithqx.[1-3]

Thanks,

Tim Krauskopf

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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 89 18:50 +1200
From: "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton, NZ"
<[e-mail]>
Subject: Telnet 2.2 misfeature

I have found one way in which version 2.2 of NCSA Telnet does not conform
to the User Interface Guidelines, in that it doesn't let you hold the
command key down to move a window without bringing it to the front. Is
this fixed in version 2.3?


[guilty.  One-line fix, it was optionKey, now both option and cmd keys
will keep it from coming to the front.
Are there other non-conformities which we should know about?  Before it
is too late for 2.3?
Tim K.]

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From: [e-mail] (David J. Camp)
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 89 13:14:06 CDT


How do I get the beta test version?  I would be happy to try it out and
let you know what I think.  -David-

Bitnet:   [e-mail]                ^      Mr. David J. Camp
Internet: [e-mail]    < * >    Box 8067, Biostatistics
uucp:     uunet!wucs1!wubios!david          v      660 South Euclid
Washington University (314) 36-23635               Saint Louis, MO 63110


[From our anonymous FTP server, ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu (128.174.20.50) or
mail to [e-mail] with the subject: help
Tim K]


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Subject: NCSA Telnet and Kinetics TCPort
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 89 17:26:52 +0100
From: James Pearson <[e-mail]>

I've recently installed Oracle on our Mac II which is supplied with
Kinetics TCPort TCP/IP driver so that Oracle can talk to remote
databases. Not surprisingly NCSA Telnet (2.2) fails to work with this
driver installed.

Is there any way round this (apart from restarting the machine)?

Version 2.3 works with MacTCP drivers, will it work with Kinetics
TCPort?

Just in case its important, the Mac II is on a LocalTalk network
connected to an Ethernet via a Kinetics Fastpath-II running KIP.

Many thanks

James Pearson
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Dept. Photogrammetry & Surveying     ARPA: [e-mail]
University College London         UUCP: ...!ukc!cs.ucl!j.pearson
Gower Street                JANET: [e-mail]
London    WC1E 6BT
England


[Greg Minshall of Kinetics has provided me with code to adapt NCSA Telnet
to the TCPort drivers, but I will not have time to verify them to include
in the 2.3 release.  With his permission, I will provide them along with
the 2.3 source code.  In case anyone was wondering, the following TCP/IP
versions can only run one-at-a-time on a Mac:  TCPort drivers, MacTCP
drivers, NCSA Telnet-local drivers.
Tim K.]


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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 89 16:37:53 EDT
From: David B. Leonard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tektronix emulation

Is there a plan or would it be too much to ask that the Tektronix emulation
included in the most recent NCSA Telnet software have an instruction (escape
sequence) for host-initiated switching back from the TEK mode to ANSI (VT102)
mode?  Most of the PC-based TEK emulation programs and the commercially
available emulation terminals do include this feature.

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|    David B. Leonard -- Manager, National Biomedical Simulation Resource     |
|    Duke University Medical Center, Box 3709, Durham, NC 27710               |
|    [phone],3049 - US WATS [phone] - NC WATS [phone]       |
|    {decvax,mcnc}!duke!dbl      [e-mail]                         |

[No plans yet, which sequence is a de facto standard?
Tim K]


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Date:         Fri, 28 Apr 89 10:35:20 EDT
From: JoAnn <[e-mail]>
Subject:      mac ncsa telnet 2.3 problem


 Have you heard of this-

 Macs running ncsa telnet 2.3 connected thru a Kinetics fastpath will
 get dropped once in a while.  We aren't sure if this happened with
 2.2, still investigating.

 Do we need to give more specifics?

 thanks,
 JoAnn ([e-mail])



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Date: 24 Apr 89 08:50:00 PST
From: "John Mulhollen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: how do i 'un-tar'?

I want to use ncsa telnet, but cannot find a program that un-tars the
archives...any suggestions?

I'm using MS-DOS v 3.21 on a Zenith-248 (AT compatible).

Thanks

JohnM


[Apparently TARREAD.EXE corrupts the binary files in the telnet tar files.
Unix tar works well, we use Sun's tar.  Tim K.]



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Date:     Tue, 25 Apr 89 09:25:20 -0900
From: Jeff Harrison UACN  <[e-mail]>

Please add me to your list.

I also am requesting information regarding a problem we are experiencing
with NCSA Telnet for the Macintosh.  We are running version 2.2 and are
experiencing a problem running it over a Kinetics FastPath 4 box.
Recently we switch our Internet Class C network to a 3 bit subnet.  Prior
to that NCSA Telnet worked fine over the FastPath using the K-STAR
configuration.  After switching to subnetting we are unable to get the
Machintosh to Telnet.  The subnetting is working fine over another Mac II
and an SE that are attached directly to the Ethernet using Kinetics
EtherPort boards.  Appletalk seems to work fine over the FAstPath since we
are demoing AlisaShare software and have been using it successfully.

A call to Kinetics resulted in a suggestion that we try NCSA Telnet 2.1.
They said another site had similar problems after going to subnetting on
version 2.2 but were successful using version 2.1.  If a fix cannot be
provided for 2.2, please provide a source for version 2.1.

Thanks,

Jeff Harrison

[e-mail]
[e-mail]

[I don't know of any reason to go from version 2.2 to version 2.1. Both
versions work, but 2.1 has any and all problems which 2.2 has.
Should I know about such a problem which worked in 2.1 and doesn't in 2.2?
Please try 2.3 beta if you can and see if the situation improves.
Tim K.]


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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 89 15:56:47-1000
From: David Lassner  <[e-mail]>

In response to your request for comments on Mac NCSA 2.3b2:

I mentioned this once before and it wasn't considered to be a "bug",
but the single reason I use SUMac/IP rather than NCSA is the way
PASTE works in NCSA.  It pastes at LAN speeds rather than at speeds
any host I work with can accept.  The result is either a very long
annoying series of beeps (if I'm lucky) or a hung session (if I'm
not).  Some solutions used in other software are:
1) allow the user to specify that paste should await the echo
of a previous char before sending the next one;
2) allow the user to specify a between char delay (e.g. 10 ms.);
3) allow the user to specify an effective reverse speed for
pastes, e.g. 9600bps.

Thanks for your consideration.


[Haven't added this one yet.  It is on the "to be done someday" list.  Most
host implementations (most Unix ones, that is) don't have a problem with
it.  Tim K.]

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Date: 10 May 89  8:26 +0200
From: "Mike Gerard CERN-DD (JMG AT CERNVAX)" <mcvax!priam.CERN![e-mail]>
Subject: NCSA Telnet Digest V2.23

Firstly, thanks for putting up an archive server: will save me a lot of
trouble. I have also tried the 2.3b3, at least to see that it works.

Now the meat. I find the general situation rather confused, what with
different versions of telnet (includung the BYU one), plus the tn3270 of
Brown which is still (here, at least) based on an old version with a
different config.tel file. (and I never did manage to run from an Appleshare
server!).

What I need is telnet, including client ftp, running over any of the
original NCSA drivers, the Apple MacTCP drivers or the Kinetics TCPort
drivers
PLUS
a compatible tn3270 which can run at the same time (one session would do)
via multifinder. OK, this could only be with Apple's or Kinetics' drivers.

I can quite easily want simultaneously login sessions to VMS or Unix
systems, a login session to our central IBM VM system and file transfers
to some yet different systems.

I do not wish to be in any way ungrateful: the software we are getting
for free is fantastic. All I am trying to say is that it could be even better
with some good coordination.

Mike Gerard

[We try to stay in contact and provide Brown with the information and code
they need.  If you want to try commercial, InterCon offers what you
are looking for.  Tim K.]


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Date: Thu, 18 May 89 15:53 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: 3Com etherlink

  I would like to find a driver for a 3COM 3C503 etherlink II board
for an IBM PC compatable computer and to be used with NCSA's Telnet
software.  Any help would be appreciated.

  I have tried to use STanford Universit's telnet software, but it will
not work with our 80286 or 80386 AT compatables.  Are there telnet and
FTP programs for these?

Thanks
Dana M. Fowlkes
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

Date:         Sun, 23 Apr 89 12:37:37 CDT
From: "Chris M.W. Daft" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: NCSA Telnet Digest V2.21

I read that you were having mail problems, so here's a repeat. . .



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*  Chris M.W. Daft                                    [e-mail] *
*  Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering         Tel: [phone]      *
*  University of Illinois                                  217/333-1640      *
*  1406 West Green Street                             Fax: [phone]      *
*  Urbana, IL 61801                                                          *
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------

I'm writing to ask whether NCSA has any plans to support the 3Com 3C503.
We have a Localtalk/Ethernet LAN running TOPS, and have a bunch of
happy Mac users (who can telnet perfectly) and about the same number of
PC users, who can't.  Some of these are using Flashtalk, and the rest
are on the Ethernet with 3C503s.  I heard that there is a beta version
of a Flashtalk driver available, but I'm not sure about the 3Com card.
Many thanks for the information!


[The beta version for the LocalTalk drivers is posted in the contributions
directory.  We are working on the 503 driver, requests for it are reaching
the level of ONE PER DAY.  The costs of being popular...
Tim K.]


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Date:     Thu,  11 May 89 15:03 +0200
From: Reuven Weiss <[e-mail]>
Subject:  Terminal emulation.


 I would like to use the Kermit interface (scripts, key redefinitions, etc.)
while connected from a PC to a host by TELNET. Our campus has many PC's
working as RS232 terminals. On the PC's we use Kermit 2.32/A and various
Kermit programs are used on CDC, VAX and IBM hosts.

 We also have a campuswide LAN under TCP/IP protocol. The LAN connects to the
same hosts and to many PC's. On the PC's we use 3COM 3C501 and WESTERN DIGITAL
WD8003E cards and NCSA 2.2 program (for TELNET and FTP).

 Instructing users would be easier if the two programs (KERMIT and NCSA) would
have similar user interface, where it is possible. There is much similarity in
terminal emulation and KERMIT works now also with LAN (NETBIOS and U-B).

 Perhaps KERMIT can evolve to TCP/IP emulation? Or other ways of standardizing
the user interface are known? I would like to have comments from users.

Reuven Weiss
Faculty of Engineering
Tel - Aviv  University

[e-mail] ( a VAX/VMS site) or
[e-mail] (an IBM/VM site)

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Date: Sat, 13 May 89 13:26:12 -0500
From: Phil Howard <[e-mail]>
Subject: back issues

Where do I get back issues of digests 17-22?  They are not online at zaphod.

[I am taking care of that ASAP, thanks for the reminder.
Tim K]


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Date: Mon, 15 May 89 16:37:01 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: telnet 2.3 b3 & 32 Bit Quickdraw


    I'm trying to use 2.3b3 and Apples 32 bit color Quickdraw init (the beta
    version).  The colors don't work out at all -- when text is written, the
    background magically becomes white, and characters are black.  This result
    is independent of the 'Color...' settings in telnet.

    This is a Mac IIx, 6.0.3, responder and appleshare inits, and 32 Bit
    Quickdraw, and a color monitor.

    Thanks for a great program,
        Paul
    [e-mail]


[We are using the palette manager to place all colors, does anyone with
the source and 32-bit QD want to check and see if an extra PMbackcolor
call would help?  Tim K]


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Date: Thu, 18 May 89 10:53:56  +0100
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: ftp problem in Mac NCSA Telnet ?

Did anyone else already notice the problem which occurs which datagrams
are intermixed using the ftp server part of ncsa telnet ? With us it occurs
that ftp transferred files over a pair of Mac level bridges are garbled, i.e.
BINHEX will report "end-of-file error". The Mac level bridges are IB/3 con-
nected with 2 64 Kbit lines.
Any comments ?
Claus Kalle

[I might believe files which are truncated, but I won't believe files
are corrupted or garbled.  Tim K.]


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Date: 18-MAY-1989 11:46:12.73
From: Douglas Bigelow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bug report on scrolling regions

This is a reproducible bug, using the escape sequences I've appended below.
I've spend