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orbital-digest         Friday, August 17 2001         Volume 02 : Number 435




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Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:08:04 +00200 (MET DST)
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital @ Dance Valley

Someone send the other day a mail with the filename of the Orbital-video of
Dance Valley 2001. I've lost that mail, so can anybody give me that filename
again?
Thanks

Raymond



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Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:20:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pseudonaut <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) new aphex track

i'm forwarding this off to all you guys who may not be
on the Warp mailing list.  here's a link to one of the
tracks (full track!) off of Aphex Twin's new album.
it's definitely crazy.  seems like RDJ album, only
more sophisticated and also with the attention span of
I Care Because You Do.

fuckin awesome
also check out Qtio by Brothomstates, that ones fuckin
badass too

brandon
>
> !GET YOUR HEADPHONES!
>
> Here is the URL to stream one of Aphex Twin's tracks
> from
> the new album "drukqs".
> http://easylink.playstream.com/warpstream/01.rm
>
> The track is called "54 Cymru Beats"
> Drukqs will be released on Oct 22nd 2001
>
> We haven't sent out any promos yet
> You are the first to hear this track
>


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Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:00:51 -0500
From: Noggin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital @ Dance Valley

Lets get this bitch on the FTP stat!

At 09:08 PM 8/14/01 +00200, you wrote:

>Someone send the other day a mail with the filename of the Orbital-video of
>Dance Valley 2001. I've lost that mail, so can anybody give me that filename
>again?
>Thanks
>



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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 05:31:51 +0000
From: "SR Cranks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital and Ebay

I was browsing ebay to see if they had any cool Orbital stuff I might be
interested. I noticed that there are 2 seperate individuals selling the gig
from Ocean, the MTV gig. Not only are they making money off of an illegal
recording, they only have half the show. The disc includes 7 tracks, when
the whole gig consisted of 13. I just think it's pretty lame that people
will take an unofficial release and burn it to cd and then turn around and
make money off of it. Trading and sharing is cool, profiting from it ain't.
That's all.

Cranks

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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:06:55 +0100
From: "Phil Blake" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Orbital and Ebay

There were two people doing this the other week and I reported them to ebay
and the auctions were removed. Like you say, I'm all for people trading
music between themselves but making money from it is taking the piss. It's
worth reporting it if you have a chance.
Cheers,
Phil.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> Subject: (orbital) Orbital and Ebay
>
>
>
> I was browsing ebay to see if they had any cool Orbital stuff I might be
> interested. I noticed that there are 2 seperate individuals
> selling the gig
> from Ocean, the MTV gig. Not only are they making money off of an illegal
> recording, they only have half the show. The disc includes 7 tracks, when
> the whole gig consisted of 13. I just think it's pretty lame that people
> will take an unofficial release and burn it to cd and then turn
> around and
> make money off of it. Trading and sharing is cool, profiting from
> it ain't.
> That's all.
>
> Cranks



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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:31:16 -0400
From: "Shannon K. Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital and Ebay

Way to go Phil!
Raise hell, SR Cranks!
We need to stamp these grrrreeedy fux out...

BTW> I finally saw the cover art for The Altogether in this month's
WiReD mag.
Damn Cool X-ray image! Nice quick review too.
I wanna 6x6 foot poster for my office here in Dept. of Radiology.
Steve can you help me? ;^)

Well in the meantime, the hosp has cut all overseas traffic in effort to
stem the hacks.
And I haven't been able to read Loopz in months.
So I'm out of the Loop at present :)
'Praise Be' for Email!!!

Hey to all Orbiters!
Shannon


Phil Blake wrote:

> There were two people doing this the other week and I reported them to
ebay
> and the auctions were removed. Like you say, I'm all for people
trading
> music between themselves but making money from it is taking the piss.
It's
> worth reporting it if you have a chance.
> Cheers,
> Phil.
.  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
.  .  .  .
Shannon K. Campbell also: <[e-mail]>




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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:33:52 +0000
From: "SR Cranks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Poster and other things

I have The Altogether poster in a 3 1/2' x 5' hanging in our studio. It
looks great, everyone loves it. By the way, you can find it at most poster
shops on the web, i got mine for $9.99. As for what else is going on out
there since you can't get to Loopz site anymore:
  1) Both Creamfields in NY & Vegas were cancelled
  2) The DVD is being released on Aug. 27 (Europe) so probably the 28
     for us here in the US, but not sure about that.
  3) Still no tour dates listed for the US, but Loopz assures me they
     are coming soon.
  4) I ate some corn yesterday.

As for the issue about the people selling stuff on ebay, Randy you're right.
There are bigger fish to fry or more serious things to worry about in the
world. Will i report them, No probably not. I have had to Buy many a bootleg
over ebay, so i know it serves its purpose for the buyer and seller. Just
thought it was interesting to see the gig up there though, especially since
it's only half. I know on other lists that i subscribe to, the people get
really upset when they see gigs up on ebay and they do report them. I just
have 1 question for ya? N'Sync? WTF!!!!! How they hell did that cross your
path?

Well that's all for now. See ya.

Cranks

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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:47:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Poster and other things

> I have The Altogether poster in a 3 1/2' x 5' hanging in our
> studio.

Cool I gotta get me one of those.  When they ship it to you it is in
mint condition still?

>   1) Both Creamfields in NY & Vegas were cancelled

Sad huh.. that was a great lineup.  But I think I'd rather see
Orbital by themself...

>   2) The DVD is being released on Aug. 27 (Europe) so probably the
> 28 for us here in the US, but not sure about that.

I hope the US gets it.. but would it make sense that the US gets the
dvd before the cd is even released over here?

>   3) Still no tour dates listed for the US, but Loopz assures me
> they are coming soon.

I hope they play many dates in SoCal!!


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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:58:57 +0100
From: "Phil Blake" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Orbital and Ebay

> I wanna 6x6 foot poster for my office here in Dept. of Radiology.
> Steve can you help me? ;^)

Hi Shannon,
http://www.pushposters.com have huge altogether posters for about 6 quid I
think. I'm not sure if Steve reads this list anymore. Most people have now
gone to the Loopz forum. I still lurk occasionally though!
Cheers,
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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:34:42 -0400
From: Marc Sawaya <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital and Ebay

Yes, it looks very good on my CD :).  The cover on the funny break
single is cool too, it's a broken bone (funny *break*), but green like a
glowstick, pretty clever!

The Loopz board is hopping, too bad you can't read it.  I'm on it
regularly, user name neolmas.  I think I read a post saying that Steve
(Price) and Aimee are not subscribed to this list anymore!!  Is that
true, guys?  Are you still on?

Marc

>BTW> I finally saw the cover art for The Altogether in this month's
>WiReD mag.
>Damn Cool X-ray image! Nice quick review too.
>I wanna 6x6 foot poster for my office here in Dept. of Radiology.
>Steve can you help me? ;^)
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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:10:56 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Plaid/Squarepusher show canceled

I see that the Washington D.C. Plaid/Squarepusher show has been cancelled
(for August 28th, at the 9:30 club...see www.930.com).  Any idea if
Squarepusher dropped off the tour for some reason?  I saw that he didn't make
it to one of the shows that another list member went to...I'm sure clubs
aren't happy about refunding half of the ticket price.  So, D.C. gets both
Radiohead shows rained out, and now this.


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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:14:46 -0500
From: Noggin <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Tour Cancellations

Fuck me! Squarepusher and Plaid cancelled all the way down in Austin too!
Anybody know what is going on? God damnit I was Really looking forward to
that show!

This is THE summer for cancelled shows:

Mekka, Creamfields, this, and i remember hearing about something else. The
fact that oasis totally avoided the south pisses me off too.

Somebody? Anyone? Anyone? know whats going on with squarepusher/plaid?



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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:25:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Oleg Rekutin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Plaid/Squarepusher show canceled

Squarepusher became ill. See www.warprecords.com for details.

I'm quite upset about this (trying to avoid using bad words like
"pissed"), as I was really anticipating the August 24th show in NYC. Now
they cancelled that NYC date and moved the what now is a Plaid/Mira Calix
show to the 20th, on a weekday, in some other venue, etc, etc. And, the
funny thing is, the price of the ticket went down from $17.50 to $15. So
Squarepusher was worth $2.50? Bollocks, I say!

I'm surprised that there aren't more people complaining about this, but my
guess is that they are just being mature :)

Grr, have to go into town tomorrow to get a refund.


- - Oleg

On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 [e-mail] wrote:

>
> I see that the Washington D.C. Plaid/Squarepusher show has been
> cancelled (for August 28th, at the 9:30 club...see www.930.com).  Any
> idea if Squarepusher dropped off the tour for some reason?  I saw that
> he didn't make it to one of the shows that another list member went
> to...I'm sure clubs aren't happy about refunding half of the ticket
> price.  So, D.C. gets both Radiohead shows rained out, and now this.



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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:37:39 -0400
From: Marc Sawaya <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Plaid/Squarepusher show canceled

Yeah, if Oleg is angry, I'm f***ing pissed as hell!!  I was planning my
drive up to Boston (from Houston) around the NYC show on the 24th, and
now it's cancelled!  I was gonna see the show with Oleg and then shack
up with him (I've known him outside of the list).  No way I can make the
20th show.  Sucks ass.

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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:11:10 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Thom and Autechre

My girlfriend also told me that Thom York of Radiohead is going to be
collaborating with Sean Booth of Autechre.

http://www.greenplastic.com/news/rumors/

Moving from rock to electronic music is something that many of us have done,
but I can't shake the feeling that Thom is possibly now a rich man infatuated
with the anonymity of the underground music scene.  Maybe we all are, though.
 I'm sure the effort will produce talented work; Maybe Thom will just sing
while Sean handles the more advanced production elements.  We'll see.


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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:19:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Plaid/Squarepusher show canceled

Squarepusher is ill and cancelled the rest of the tour.  Many venues
are just cancelling the whole tour but in Hollywood they gave us a
choice of a refund or $5 back at the door (tickets were $20 +
ticketbastard charges) to see Plaid headline.  I love Plaid a lot I
think Double Figure is one of the best cd's of all time and I plan to
buy the rest of their stuff.

**IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE PLAID GO SEE THEM, IT'S BEAUTIFUL!**

There have been a lot of cancellations this summer and it's sad.
Plus the recent electronic concerts I have been to seem to be VERY
undersold and/or filled with an unenthusiastic crowd:

1) Autechre - kind of packed but no one was into it (it was hard for
me to get into too though)
2) Juno Reactor - two shows, both less than half full
3) Crystal Method - two shows, one less than half full the other sold
out but a dead dead crowd
4) Plaid - kind of packed and semi into it prob the best crowd
considering many were probably mad that Squarepusher wasn't playing.

I sure hope this type of turn out doesn't deter electronic acts from
coming around.  It makes me sad when I think that the 'raves' with
nothing but DJs (no live acts) can draw 30,000 people but the artists
above are usually half selling a 1000 capacity venue.

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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:34:36 -0700
From: Matthew Ford <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Plaid/Squarepusher show canceled

    I was kinda wondering why we only got 5 bucks back at the LA show seeing as
how Squarepusher was the main act and all.  But this is ok with me because
plaid but on a bitching show.  I was amazed at how packed it was for Sunday
night show and I got a good recording of the show too so that cant be beat.
    As far as the "decline" of attendance at shows goes :
            1.Autechre : Waayyyy Too busy but not enough people were there to
see Autechre.  More there to be "scene".  Hot and stuff was the El Rey and
Autechre's set was shit.  Some of the opening artists werent bad at all though
and I didnt pay to get in so I cant complain too much.
            2. Juno Reactor: Wouldve loved to see them, but bad timing and I
have a thing against seeing trance in LA - even though Juno Reactor is probably
the only group that makes tolerable trance.
            3. Crystal Method: Well, they suck.  Seen em a couple times (One of
which times I only saw them because Orbital was playing after them on their
last tour).

PLAID KICKS AZZ!

Shaun, where in SoCal are you from?

.matthewford.

Shaun Rader wrote:

> Squarepusher is ill and cancelled the rest of the tour.  Many venues
> are just cancelling the whole tour but in Hollywood they gave us a
> choice of a refund or $5 back at the door (tickets were $20 +
> ticketbastard charges) to see Plaid headline.  I love Plaid a lot I
> think Double Figure is one of the best cd's of all time and I plan to
> buy the rest of their stuff.
>
> **IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE PLAID GO SEE THEM, IT'S BEAUTIFUL!**
>
> There have been a lot of cancellations this summer and it's sad.
> Plus the recent electronic concerts I have been to seem to be VERY
> undersold and/or filled with an unenthusiastic crowd:
>
> 1) Autechre - kind of packed but no one was into it (it was hard for
> me to get into too though)
> 2) Juno Reactor - two shows, both less than half full
> 3) Crystal Method - two shows, one less than half full the other sold
> out but a dead dead crowd
> 4) Plaid - kind of packed and semi into it prob the best crowd
> considering many were probably mad that Squarepusher wasn't playing.
>
> I sure hope this type of turn out doesn't deter electronic acts from
> coming around.  It makes me sad when I think that the 'raves' with
> nothing but DJs (no live acts) can draw 30,000 people but the artists
> above are usually half selling a 1000 capacity venue.



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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:53:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Plaid/Squarepusher show canceled

- --- Matthew Ford <[e-mail]> wrote:
>     I was kinda wondering why we only got 5 bucks back at
> the LA show seeing as how Squarepusher was the main act and all.

I know someone else on this list said they got back 10 at a show
before the LA show.  Plaid is well worth it (I would've stayed if
there was no money given back at the door).  Only thing that sucks is
5 doesn't even cover the freaking Ticketmaster charge...

> I got a good recording of the show too so that cant be beat.

How did you do that?  Can we get a copy? :)  Do we still have an
Orbital FTP site up?

>             1.Autechre : Waayyyy Too busy but not enough people
> were there to see Autechre.  More there to be "scene".  Hot and

Yeah El Rey can be damn hot that's all I remember from that show too.
 I like Autechre's older stuff more I still don't get the direction
they're headed.  I bet if I get it, it will sound beautiful...

>             2. Juno Reactor: Wouldve loved to see them, but bad
> timing and I have a thing against seeing trance in LA - even

Oh yeah I liked Juno Reactor since I saw him/them open for Moby a few
years back.. it's a real good show and I like the music.  One of the
shows was at House of Blues at Downtown Disney which was neat.

>             3. Crystal Method: Well, they suck.  Seen em a couple
> times (One of which times I only saw them because Orbital was

Oh man I love Crystal Method.  I've probably seen them 7 or 8 times
now.  I like how they tweak their songs.  I wish they would play even
more around here.

Let us hope Orbital tours VERY SOON!

> Shaun, where in SoCal are you from?

I live in Orange right now.. how about you?


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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:10:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Oleg Rekutin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Plaid/Squarepusher show canceled

On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Matthew Ford wrote:

>             2. Juno Reactor: Wouldve loved to see them, but bad timing
> and I have a thing against seeing trance in LA - even though Juno
> Reactor is probably the only group that makes tolerable trance.

I saw Juno Reactor last June in New York City's Knitting Factory. It was
f**king *AWESOME*. I had so much damn fun. The venue was quite small
(there was probably like 100 or fewer people in), so I was really close.

The real treat was Juno Reactor playing along with a South African group,
whose name I forget. That group had six guys, all dressed up and painted
up in a native, tribal fashion, banging out *incredible* rhythms out of
the big variety of percussion that they had.

That show manged to blend trance (psy variety, not ATB or Paul Van Dyk)
with ethnic/tribal percussion and sounds (they actually played a few
African instruments, names of which I don't know), with Spanish guitar
kinda feel (a Spanish chick, dressed traditionally, was dancing along with
the traditionally outfitted African group, with Ben Watkins in an orange
"Lovers Rock" shirt standing back--where else do you see that?). Sometimes
the show had that strong "stadium rock anthem" feel, where the fans were
singing, screaming along to sound samples of certain tracks (and humming
tunes), sometimes it had the pure electronic psychodelic frenzy, with
electronic bass squelching, mutating thru the PA system. Sometimes the
audience caught up in magic of the polyrhythmic percussion, aside from
which only the electronic bass was playing.

There's plenty more to describe, but I need to do work and such. The
opening group, Medicine Drum, was also quite good, but I missed the first
half of their 1-hr set.

I came out of that Juno Reactor show with no voice and my back was sore
for the next two days. Riding the New York City subway & ferry seemed
surreal, at deep night, after that concert.


- - Oleg



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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:43:05 -0700
From: "Shaun Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Plaid/Squarepusher show canceled

> I saw Juno Reactor last June in New York City's Knitting
> Factory. It was f**king *AWESOME*. I had so much damn fun.

I agree wholeheartedly.  Juno Reactor and the African band Amampondo (I
looked it up on a web site) definitely rock the house.  It seems so powerful
and perfect.

I'm surprised the New York City gig was at a place of about 100 people.. if
that's the case then SoCal did pretty well attendance-wise between their two
shows back in June.

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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:18:24 +0200
From: DeeKay <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Dance Valley Video...

Due to public demand I'll upload this to the ftp tonight, so all the
people asking me for it should grab it from there in about 8-9 hours!
8)

Enjoy!

DeeKay


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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:34:07 -0500
From: Noggin <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Are we all jaded?

        Man there doesnt seem to be any sort of good news going around about
music right now. I mean, all these concert cancellations (some of them for
the better; some of these shows [ahem mekka, i originally thought i would go
til i read the lineup] seemed to me to be nothing but money fests to
capitalise on the recent limp bizkit converts and there insatiable desire to
fit into the 'techno underground'), and all these unenthusiastic crowds,
what is going on here?! Have we just become spoiled or is it really bleak
times?
        Another factor is the recent slew of terrible albums being released.
I have seen crystal method live twice before, and especially the first show
i saw before they kinda hit it big was fucking pure ENERGY. damn it was fun,
thanks mostly in part to lunatic calm. But ya know, as much fun as I had at
both shows, I am boycotting all four texas shows on the grounds of how
FUCKING GOD AWFUL their new cd is. And then there's Tricky. I wont lie, I
havent heard the whole cd, but what i have heard is very very very sub-par.
Evolution Revolution Love??? Hand me a bucket and beat me on the back of the
head with a rotting salmon, i want to throw up. NO excuse for that. Ive
heard so many people tlaking about the new album from so-and-so being such a
disapointment. What is happening to us?!
        Who shall step forward to save us? I suppose we could put all hope
in our Drukqs, but if that turns out to be a bad trip, who pays for the
rehab? Will plaid minus Squarepusher lend a hand? Will it be Orbital? Or
will we be totally lost by then and think we are just glasses of orange
juice (who hasnt heard THAT urban legend)?
        Not all is bad though, it seems that the good stuff is still here,
just below the surface, maybe deeper than before. I have definitely heard
some good stuff lately, but it is just sad to kind of witness the changing
of the guard if you will. I know I am just sort of parading around the list
with a "Repent now! The End is Near!" sign, so somebody else, lets hear some
social commentary. And i hope nobody gets bothered by any of this, none of
its set in stone I just feel like venting.

Your loving prophet of doom,
                        Noggin



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