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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:26:46 +0000
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Subject: (orbital) New PvD-Album out..

It's called "Out there and back"...
I got it it has some good pieces but some are just 'recycled' old
stuff and some are just 'drag-along' pieces!...

Anyway. give it a listen, it's sure worth it!

DeeKay


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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:18:38 -0500
From: "Mehul Parekh I" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) where do I go????

Hi:
I am looking to shop...for cheesy trance, dance, "electronic" compilations
that come from the likes of Ministry of Sound and Cream.  I am very
interested in buying:
Clubber's Guide to...2000
Ministry: The Annual (Tall Paul and Judge Jules)
Trance Nation 3
But all these places I go to online have them for soooooooo much $$, does
anyone know of a place where I can buy them cheap?
Any help will be appreciated.
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 07:46:50 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Steve=20Price?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Loopz Remix Compo Winners / more

For those who are not on Loopz mailing list.

This is a quiet period for Orbital - but its all go on
the site!
Finally...the Remix Winners (yes...more than one) is
announced and believe
me we are still not 100 percent happy that we had to
choose only 2 from
the 34. Have your say on your favourite in the FORUM
section.
I visited Orbital last week whilst they were busy
finishing off track 2 of
the album - all good vibes - sounding good. News
section has lots of new
information so its worth a visit.
I have added mp3s of every track from every album -
worth downloading if
you havent heard some of the tracks.

REMIX COMPO 1999 pages - Winner Announced

Yes - the wait is over. One of the hardest decisions
has been made and we
still didnt find an ultimate winner - 2 winners have
been chosen. Visit
the Remix Compos link to find out who and use the
Forums to discuss who
you would have chosen.

NEWS PAGE - updated

Meltdown 2000 - Mickey Mann joins The Sixth Album team
- - Remix Compo 1999
+ more...

April 28th 2000
MISC pages - Voting poll 3 - added

A new question for the visitors to add their view.
Last year the Orbital
gigs in England finished at approx 11pm to enable the
audience to catch
public transport. A lot of people complained that they
would prefer a DJ
to take them through to the early hours. What is your
view ?

MISC pages - Voting poll 2 - results added

What is your favourite album results added.


April 27th 2000
GUESTBOOK pages - Archive guestbooks added

There are a couple of options to display previous
guestbooks from
April 1997 to November 1999 and
November 1999 to April 2000

Audio (Discog) pages - 40 MP3s added

All the album track samples are now available in MP3
format. The full list
is shown below:-


Adnans.mp3
AreWeHere.mp3
Attached.mp3
Belfast.mp3
ChimeLive.mp3
CrashAndCarry.mp3
DesertStorm.mp3
DwrBudr.mp3
Fahrenheit303.mp3
Forever.mp3
Halcyonandonandon.mp3
HighRise.mp3
IDontKnowYouPeople.mp3
IWishIHadDuckFeet.mp3
Impact.mp3
KeinTrinkWasser.mp3
KnowWhereToRun.mp3
Lush31.mp3
Lush32.mp3
MidnightLive.mp3
Monday.mp3
NothingLeft.mp3
Oolaa.mp3
Otano.mp3
OutThereSomewhere.mp3
Petrol.mp3
PhilosophyByNumbers.mp3
PlanetOfTheShapes.mp3
QualitySeconds.mp3
Remind.mp3
SadButTrue.mp3
ScienceFriction.mp3
SparePartsExpress.mp3
SpeedFreak.mp3
SteelCubeIdolatry.mp3
TheBox.mp3
TheGirlWithTheSunInHerHead.mp3
TheMoebius.mp3
WalkNow.mp3
WayOut.mp3

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine
www.loopz.co.uk


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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 12:45:45 BST
From: "Trym Asserson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: OT: New PvD-Album out (let's turn it into "I don't like PvD" just for fun)

Recently, in an issue of 7, the weekly clubbing guide released here in the
UK, two people had sent in a drawing they made of PvD after seeing him at a
venue in London, I think it may have been at The End.

Anyway, the story was like with the Emperor's New Clothes, PvD (or rather a
caricature) mumbles some high-level bullsh*t about his music as an artistic,
electronic ballet, etc. etc. ~yawn~ and the caption translates it to "I make
kiddie-trance".

Not that I want to slag people off for liking his music, because comparison
of music is entirely subjective, but that just confirmed my opinion of PvD
again. His music is all recycled, dull, uses the standard elements of trance
abusively and well, I fail to see how his music has been able to be so
successful. I demand something from an artist between one album and the
next, but PvD seems to polish his turd, put it in new wrapping and voila,
new album.

Temperature++, transmission^C

Trym

>It's called "Out there and back"...
>I got it it has some good pieces but some are just 'recycled' old
>stuff and some are just 'drag-along' pieces!...
>
>Anyway. give it a listen, it's sure worth it!
>
>DeeKay
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:34:37 -0700
From: "Ian Mahuron" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) New PvD-Album out..

I can't help but to agree with Trym.  I'm sick of dudes like PVD and
"Superstar" Paul Oakenfold... all these guys get a really big head over
time.. and when it all comes down to it, they're just spinning other
people's music.

I guess I'm a bit biased though.. I've really gotten sick of this "epic
trance" shit... it's dancable.. but I have a hard time kicking back with
this stuff.  I've gotten more into downtempo and acid jazz.  For all of you
that want to experience something new, check out  the artists on Ninjatune
(www.ninjatune.net).  I've probably heard 75% of the artists on this label..
and they're outstanding.

Artists I've recently been introduced to.. if you know any neat little
tidbits about any of them, lemme know:

Amon Tobin
Funki Porcini
Fila Brazillia
Greyboy
The Herbaliser
Red Snapper
Luke Vibert (aka Wagon Christ, Plug)
Tortoise

>
> It's called "Out there and back"...
> I got it it has some good pieces but some are just 'recycled' old
> stuff and some are just 'drag-along' pieces!...
>
> Anyway. give it a listen, it's sure worth it!
>
> DeeKay
>



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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 14:59:58 EDT
From: "Robert Schultz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) DJs, new music.

Yes, I must confess that I fell for the whole "Oakenfold! Oakenfold!" thing
myself, as you all know from my previous posts. Now, I've seen him live, and
he did play a few good tracks, but come on, it's not like he created it!
It's other people's music! I paid an offensive 20 bucks for that too! :-( It
wasn't uplifting at all, and I was quite bored with it after about the first
hour or so.

Now, a DJ that I'd really like to see is Nick Warren. Although he too is
part of this whole "epic trance" thing, every damn mix I have of his is
good. (Mehul, you da mack by the way!)

Also, another DJ I like is Jon the Dentist. Although I don't know much about
him, and have heard only 2 or 3 mixes, what I've heard, I've liked.

But as for van Dyk, he has some really good stuff that is just catchy, and
he has other stuff that is really the same stuff over and over. I mean,
between "Perspective" and "Vorsprung.." there isn't a big difference! The
Ministry of Sound Sessions are good though :-))

But as for what I've been into lately, I'm not really sure. Of course, I'm
really looking for a good ALBUM, but I'm forced to settle for tracks. I have
a large collection of drum n bass, drill n bass, IDM, Autechre, Plaid/Black
Dog, and now trance, Ambient stuff like FSOL, and I'm STILL not happy. I've
been getting into Kruder and Dorfmeister on recommendation from Ian, and I
picked up "The K&D Sessions" the other day, which I quite like for relaxing
to after work. I also got an album the other day from Solea Amphibea that I
believe a lot of people on this list might enjoy. There was a little
discussion on the FSOL list about whether it actually is FSOL! It's very
very downtempo ambient stuff, very smooth.

But, the summer always brings out the excitement in me, so I want something
KICK ASS! Any recommendations?

Later,
Rob


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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 12:12:56 -0700
From: "Skip Acuff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) DJs, new music.

Rob wrote:  >>> another DJ I like is Jon the Dentist. Although I don't
know much about him, and have heard only 2 or 3 mixes, what I've heard,
I've liked.<<<

You did not mention which mixes you have heard, but in case you do not
have the Additive Compilation 2, it's a desert island disc IMO.  I've
also heard great things about his solo album Pyramid, which is on its
merry way to me in the mail ;-)

If you can find it, another great trance mix cd is Armin van Buuren's
Boundaries of Imagination.

On the IDM jag, check out Boulderdash's We Never Went to Koxhut Island.
Fans of Plaid and Ae should love it.


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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:40:13 +0000
From: "Arfie Mansfield" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) DJs, new music.

>Now, a DJ that I'd really like to see is Nick Warren. Although he too
>is part of this whole "epic trance" thing,

    Eh? Nick Warren does progressive breakbeat. Or is there some
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:42:43 +0000
From: "Arfie Mansfield" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) DJs, new music.

>another DJ I like is Jon the Dentist.

    Have you heard 'Imagination'? Brilliant track.


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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 15:44:06 EDT
From: "Robert Schultz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) DJs, new music.

    "Eh? Nick Warren does progressive breakbeat. Or is there some
other Nick Warren?"

All I know is that the Nick Warren on the Global Undergrounds is hard, fast,
sometimes melodic, and cool. Just like I like it ;-)





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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:01:40 +0000
From: "Arfie Mansfield" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) DJs, new music.

>    "Eh? Nick Warren does progressive breakbeat. Or is there some
>other Nick Warren?"
>
>All I know is that the Nick Warren on the Global Undergrounds is hard,
>fast, sometimes melodic, and cool. Just like I like it ;-)

    That is the same Nick Warren. But where did you get the epic
trance idea from...? In case anyone didn't know, NW is half of Way Out
West, who should've released a single and an album earlier this year,
but didn't.
    BTW, I'd recommend both of Way Out West's mixes of Hybrid's If I
Survive to everyone - even better than the one they did of Nothing Left.


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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:03:49 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) New opinions on Beached...

I got my american friend here (the one who got me into Orbital back
then! 8) and he just listens to the Beached EP for the first time and
called it "The Loveboat theme on Acid" ;-D

I thought that was pretty straight hitting, just thought i'd tell
you! *g* 8)

DeeKay


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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 03:20:34 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) DJs, new music.

> But, the summer always brings out the excitement in me, so I want something
> KICK ASS! Any recommendations?
>
> Later,
> Rob

If you want excitement and fun early techno stuff, check out
the early Biochip stuff, though i doubt you'll find any over there!
<:-) It's old german Happy Hardcore somehow, but not the classical
happy-hardcore style!
He was also known under the name "Speedfreak", which i thought for a
LONG time was related somehow to the Oribital track from Green, but
the stuff he did under that alias was just hardcore, not much fun
involved!..

If *ANYONE* on this list knows *ANYTHING* about Biochip's Biocalypse
(you know someone who has it, or has heard it somewhere or you may
even have it yourself!) lemme know ASAP!.. I've been scanning for
this for ages!.. Had the CD once some 6 years ago but it got
stolen!... 8(

DeeKay

P.S.: You mentioned K&D, strangely enough i think of Bochum Welt
everytime i hear K&D, and concerning BW all i can say is: Avoid at
any cost, i haven't even heard such blatant ripoffs of Aphex-style
from Richard's own label-mates back then when Rephlex was young! <:-)
You know, Squarepusher, Autechre and Cylob somehow ALL sounded like
Aphex to me back then, not distinctive and unique in their own style
at all! 8)


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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 03:20:34 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Re: OT: New PvD-Album out (let's turn it into "I don't like PvD"

> Recently, in an issue of 7, the weekly clubbing guide released here in the
> UK, two people had sent in a drawing they made of PvD after seeing him at a
> venue in London, I think it may have been at The End.
>
> Anyway, the story was like with the Emperor's New Clothes, PvD (or rather a
> caricature) mumbles some high-level bullsh*t about his music as an artistic,
> electronic ballet, etc. etc. ~yawn~ and the caption translates it to "I make
> kiddie-trance".
>
> Not that I want to slag people off for liking his music, because comparison
> of music is entirely subjective, but that just confirmed my opinion of PvD
> again. His music is all recycled, dull, uses the standard elements of trance
> abusively and well, I fail to see how his music has been able to be so
> successful. I demand something from an artist between one album and the
> next, but PvD seems to polish his turd, put it in new wrapping and voila,
> new album.
>
> Temperature++, transmission^C
>
> Trym

I have to say i agree with you in large parts, but there's something
else to it: Paul van Dyk is around for a *VERY* long time, sure
that's no excuse for repeating oneself over and over and not
evolve like Orbital or Aphes prove it! But it gives hims some credit
that doesn't make me dump him straight away once i hear him repeating
himself! That dude made tracks as beautiful as "Forbidden Fruit" and
"For an Angel"! What's more is that he mixed the IMHO greatest mix of
all times, prolly the CD i heard most often in my life (yes, even
more often than In Sides): The X-Mix 1...
This mix is like the impersonation of a mix, it's the mix of all
mixes, the tracks blend so perfectly into eachother and the tracklist
is so damn welll chosen you just HAVE to perceive it as one gigantic
70-minute epic, kinda like the Box!...
X-Mix 1 is a *MUST-hear* for any Orbital Fan I'd say! ;-D
And for that i give him all credit in the world! 8)

DeeKay


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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 03:20:34 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) DJs, new music.

> From:          "Arfie Mansfield" <[e-mail]>

>     BTW, I'd recommend both of Way Out West's mixes of Hybrid's If I
> Survive to everyone - even better than the one they did of Nothing Left.

Speaking of Hybrid: I really like this guy more and more! 8) There's
a pretty unique and new style to his music!..
I got this Hybrid Studio Mix at Radio 1 bootleg here, and it simply
kicks ass!.. I initially planned to upload it onto Marc's server, but
that is history now as it seems! <:-)

DeeKay, wanting more of LRD, Hybrid and BT...


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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:44:02 -0400
From: "Patrick McGinn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) DJs, new music.

> > But, the summer always brings out the excitement in me, so I want
something
> > KICK ASS! Any recommendations?
> >
> > Later,
> > Rob

The new(ish) Kid Spatula album, Full Sunken Beats, is amazing.  Paradinas
really hops a lot of genres, there's some drill and bass, some gabber, some
Brace Yourself Jason-style tracks, a lot of noise experimentation, just
overall great tracks.  You'll likely pay out the ass for it though...  I
spent 20+ bucks on it because I thought it was a 2CD...  Oh well, still
worth it.

The Fat Cats 1-8 Split compilation CD is great, as is the Cataract Beats
comp on Pitchcadet/aii.  More noise and gabber-influenced stuff.

Ok, I suck at writing about music, but its good stuff, grab it if you see it
:)

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 03:29:25 GMT
From: "e. lanum" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) DJs, new music.

i think that nick warren's are the best of the GU series
very 2am, and they dont contain too many of the usual suspects

does anyone know of any other nick warren cds to buy?



All I know is that the Nick Warren on the Global Undergrounds is
hard, fast,
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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:27:24 +0100
From: "Nick King" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Survival CD for sale at Action Records

For those that are interested, there's a 'Survival' CD for sale at 4 pounds
at Action Records - includes 'Choice (Remix)'.

They're at www.action-records.co.uk

BTW, I have *nothing* at all to do with them - I have the CD, and four quid
is pretty cheap!


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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:28:18 -0400
From: "JL Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) New opinions on Beached...

Thats what some were saying on the dirtylist...
aahhhh.. the Hartnoll's sense of humor..
lol

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>
> I got my american friend here (the one who got me into Orbital back
> then! 8) and he just listens to the Beached EP for the first time and
> called it "The Loveboat theme on Acid" ;-D
>




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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:59:18 +0000
From: "Arfie Mansfield" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) DJs, new music.

>does anyone know of any other nick warren cds to buy?

    There was a Homelands CD mixed by Warren with April's issue of
Ministry, if you can track it down. And there's an eponymous Way Out
West album, and one of the 'Back to Mine' series done by DMC/7


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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:01:23 BST
From: "Trym Asserson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) DJs, new music.

>DeeKay, wanting more of LRD, Hybrid and BT...

On the note of BT, here's some "rumour" news on his projects :

BT and Sasha as (Re)Verb are to release a chillout album on Peter Gabriel's
RealWorld label with ethnic, chill, ambient inspirations.

BT's latest single from MISL "Dreaming" should have hit Europe as imports
from the US, I know they're here in the UK anyway, two mixes that I really
can't remember were by which mixers, but hey, it's more BT stuff.

Also, the Fibonacci Sequence has been released on limited, white-label 12".
Still awaiting the delivery of my turntable, I haven't been able to listen
to it since I bought it at HMV, but it's an excellent song.

Lastly, I can't remember how long PvD has been around compared to BT, but I
"think" they've been around about the same time, right? Anyway, to compare
these two musicians, although I think it's sacrilege because one is
outstanding, the other isn't, then speaking of renewing himself, and
evolving over time.

See BT, starting from Ima, through ESCM and now MISL, innovates his own
music all the time. PvD may have released a tune now or then that has been
new, not recycled, of course he had to produce something new at some point
to have something to recycle, and those tracks are quality, but stuff like
"Tell me why", "Avenue/Another Way", "Words", well, it just fails to strike
me as any use. Like you say, if he kept trying to have a bash at new
material all the time, then even with less successful tracks he would
probably attract an even bigger crowd.
I don't even like BT/PvD's "Namistai" track, too much of PvD's recent
simplicity.

Right now, he's degenerating into producing dance-floor fillers that might
as well have been made by John Doe, his music has got no identity.

IMO, all of the above, of course. ;)

Trym

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Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:39:00 -0700
From: "Skip Acuff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) PVD X-Mix 1

Is this the record you're referring to:

 Paul van Dyk / *X-Mix 1: The MFS-Trip

Tracks on this CD

Alien Nation intro / Gemini 6: Skysoaring
True Love: Breath of Stars
Effective Force: Diamond Bullet
Cosmic Baby: Cosmikk Trigger 1
Cosmic Baby: Oh Supergirl
Microglobe: High on Hope
Voov: Strobe Light
Futurhythm: Transmanic
Cosmic Baby: The Space Track
Humate: Love Stimulation
Cosmic Baby: Heaven's Tears
The Visions of Shiva: How Much Can You Take
Cosmic Baby: Sweet Dreams for Kaa
Loopzone: Natural High
The Visions of Shiva: Perfect Night

Does anyone on the list have a copy to trade?


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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:55:45 +0100
From: "Phil Blake" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Burning Live gigs to disc (Advice Wanted)

Could anyone up to speed on Nero Burning Rom software please give me some
advice?
The problem I have is trying to burn a live gig to disc with separate tracks
but no gaps. I've followed some advice already given to me, which was to cut
& paste each track to separate .wav files and then burn in 'Disc at Once'
mode. But I am still getting gaps. After wasting my third disc I'm starting
to get ***Ked off!
Any help greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Phil.



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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 01:18:56 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) DJs, new music.

Da Trymmer:

> Lastly, I can't remember how long PvD has been around compared to BT, but I
> "think" they've been around about the same time, right? Anyway, to compare
> these two musicians, although I think it's sacrilege because one is
> outstanding, the other isn't, then speaking of renewing himself, and
> evolving over time.
>

I dunno exactly, but the X-Mix 1 is from 93 (when i got it!) and that
for sure wasn't the first time i heard from PvD, i think i even saw
him in Munich one or two years before that!.. That means he's around
almost as long as Orbital! 8)
I might be wrong, but it could be that he even had a brother called
Mike van Dyk who also used to DJ, but i'm not sure about that, it
could also just have been a joke by a friend back then! 8)

DeeKay


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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 03:15:02 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Burning Live gigs to disc (Advice Wanted)

> Could anyone up to speed on Nero Burning Rom software please give me some
> advice?
> The problem I have is trying to burn a live gig to disc with separate tracks
> but no gaps. I've followed some advice already given to me, which was to cut
> & paste each track to separate .wav files and then burn in 'Disc at Once'
> mode. But I am still getting gaps. After wasting my third disc I'm starting
> to get ***Ked off!
> Any help greatly appreciated!
> Thanks,
> Phil.

1st Advice: Get WinOnCD, it kicks ass in this field! 8) No problem to
burn without pregaps!

the problem is that in order to burn without pregaps, each track has
to be an EXACT multiple of the block/sectorsize (2352 for CDDA if i
remember right!) , otherwise the rest of the block will be zeroed out
(as a new track may only start right on a new sector!) and this will
become the feared pregap-klick!

So what you need is either files that have an exact multiple
of the used blocksize or a programm that prevents this pregap through
filling the rest of the block with oversampled/interpolated data
instead of zeroes, like WinOnCD does (as clumsy as it is to use! 8)

DeeKay


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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:29:58 EDT
From: "Robert Schultz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) New Kraftwerk Compilation

New Kraftwerk compilation album "Short Introduction to Kraftwerk"

http://www.nme.com/newsdesk/20000511154551.html

It sounds to me like they're just putting out this shit to let everyone know
that they're still alive.

Rob


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