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orbital-digest         Wednesday, May 3 2000         Volume 02 : Number 330




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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 14:01:04 -0400
From: Marc Sawaya <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: (OT) News Article on Ecstacy

> Mark S-D discovered:
> =

 >Start by seeing this in yourself, forgive yourself, and then you can =

forgive everyone and all that >remains is a will to help, and not a =

> bogus fake wishy washy dualistic hipocritical one either.
> =

=A0=A0 Excellent post Mark, sounds like you're doing some intensive =

introspective and social philosophical work.=A0 For some reason it tends =

to target us 'Marks' out, so it's interesting to see someone who's going =

through the same stuff I have, with the same name =3D ).=A0 As for your =

post, I agree with many of the points you made, was offended by none, =

but I do think your perspective will tone down a little bit, know what I =

mean?
=A0=A0 As for the state capitolism and the West is in, it's important to =

look at some of the potential causes, namely religion and science.=A0 =

Religion because it has always (and I speak mainly of the western =

Judeo-Christian trend) stressed individuality of man, homocentricity, =

and a duality between man and nature.=A0 It has preached the importance o=
f =

"I", and it has ignored the results of this philosophy.
Science is just as much a cause, but in a different manner.=A0 America ha=
s =

come to link science with technology, and has influenced the entire =

planet with this tendency.=A0 Most people think that science is obviously=
 =

and logically associated with technology, but it has only been this way =

for 500 years.=A0
=A0=A0 Science has also generated the image of perfection and reason, =

inherent in the 'scientific method'.=A0 This is also an illusion, as =

science is used to the interest of whoever pays the scientists.=A0 In our=
 =

case, these are the suppliers, the high-ranking on the capitolist =

ladder, and they research how to give us new toys, or how to make our =

food bigger and deadlier.=A0 They don't research effects their studies =

have on the planet, or even the effect they have on people.=A0 That's the=
 =

job of the government, which is supposed to protect us from the =

corporations.=A0 Highly unlikely.
Which brings us around to the effects of this state of mind.=A0 The most =

obvious one is our destruction of the environment, our philosophy that =

it is ours (given by God) to squander at will, and that we are =

superior.=A0 How many scientists work towards solving problems that come =

about by our pollution?=A0 You would think a great amount, but it's very =

few because the scientists are 'owned' by the corporations that =

pollute!=A0 These are the same corporations that control the media, and =

that's why you can open up a newspaper (or turn on the news) and rarely =

see a report on an environmental crisis.=A0
=A0=A0 This is certainly a crappy way to live, and I don't endorse it at =

all.=A0 I'd like to hear differing opinions though, because I'm just a =

college freshman soaking in the knowledge.=A0 I'd also like to hear from =

Shannon, because he's a scientist and I want to know about the politics =

of his studies.=A0 Thanks for the cool post, Mark!

Marc Sawaya



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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 21:26:26 +0100
From: "paul kelleher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: (OT) News Article on Ecstacy

> the western Judeo-Christian trend stressed individuality of man

'love thy neighbour'... 'treat others as they you'd expect them to treat
you'.
That's the whole difference between the old and new testaments, having a bit
of consideration for others.

> Most people think that science is obviously
and logically associated with technology, but it has only been this way
for 500 years.

Science is associated with cold, proven fact. Before 500 years ago, it
wasnt called science, and it amounted to an unambitious and bemused awe to
the evidence of god's ways. Medieval 'science' sought no practical end
and was based on untested assumptions and speculative theory.

> This is also an illusion, as
science is used to the interest of whoever pays the scientists.

You talking about private research, which is usually more orientated towards
commercial development of pre-existing knowledge.

> They don't research effects their studies
have on the planet, or even the effect they have on people.

Thats not true, the bastards (commercial researches) always look in to the
possiblilty of massive public liabilities before launching 'controversial'
products. They size up the proballity, after that they don't give a shit.

> our philosophy that
it is ours (given by God)

Was'nt that more the medieval thinking? It's commercial reality leads us to
to
squander at will.

> are the same corporations that control the media, and
that's why you can open up a newspaper (or turn on the news) and rarely
see a report on an environmental crisis.

I can't agree with that at all, just from observing the fickeleness of the
media - look at how they have turned on Microsoft or even Montensato in the
last few years.

I don't know, maybe I'm just being cranky. I saw Phil Hartonal (gratutious
boast) at homelands, Ireland, last night: I got back home here about two
hours ago, and I'm coming down HARD.

pAUL



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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 01:53:51 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: (OT) News Article on Ecstacy

> > are the same corporations that control the media, and
> that's why you can open up a newspaper (or turn on the news) and rarely
> see a report on an environmental crisis.

Well, in German Television you do!.. More frequently than in e.g.
america i noticed!.. Environmental issues are rated pretty high here,
for example we manually separate our waste for proper recycling and
our Trashcans have been reduced in half the size, so whoever has MORE
than 50l of trash in 2 weeks has to pay extra! 8)
Also what mark s-d said is not true atleast for germany, we have
quite some research going in the environmental field, from what i
know Germany is leader worldwide in environmental technology!
This is not meant to be propaganda for gemany or me saying we're the
better people, i just wanted to show you that there's hope at the end
of the horizon! ;-D Quite some other european countries are also
environmentally aware or atleast developing in that area!
When i was in America i noticed 2 things:
- -ULTRA EXTREME waste-generation... The family i stayed with used
styrofoam plates and cups for their meals that just got thrown away
after the meal!! That's completely NUTS! I was so upset when i saw
this mindless generation of unnecessary waste, for the family this
was perfectly normal!..
- -Corporate America is THE driving force... You don't get any news on
TV concerning environmental matters or even just foreign affairs
cause the TV station is part of corporate america! Companies pay for
the TV-spots -> TV-station needs to have the highest ratings possible
- -> TV-station only shows what appeals most to the masses: News about
america itself, sensational TV-"reports", stupid game and talkshows
where you can be a voyeur of others lives and films that are just
directed at the lesser human instincts like sex, violence and
the greed for entertainment..

It feeds off itself, the more you watch, the more you are led to
believe that this is the only truth that there is, and the more
people are turned into mindless slaves for corporate america!..

The Seattle "riots" came as a BIG surprise to me, let's just hope
this resistance continues, with the current trend continuing either
our planet or humanity as we know it will die within the next 30
years!..

All the capitalism is SHIT compared to a good chat with friends... no
money in the world can pay for this!
I just wish that people (also here in germany!) would stop and see
what the REALLY important things in life are and pay the most
attention to these!..

Fuck money.. wish it was never invented!..

DeeKay

P.S.: Sorry if i wasn't totally on topic! <:-)


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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:10:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Marc Emile Sawaya <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) my radio show

ok, late announcement, but my campus radio show, which you can listen to
at www.wpi.edu/~radio, starts no (8pm EST), and I'm doing an all Orbital
show.  Come listen and stuff.  yay!

Marc Sawaya



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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 02:20:38 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) my radio show

> ok, late announcement, but my campus radio show, which you can listen to
> at www.wpi.edu/~radio, starts no (8pm EST), and I'm doing an all Orbital
> show.  Come listen and stuff.  yay!
>
> Marc Sawaya
>
Whoa!.. Gotta love the little Spacecrafts that shoot the globe on
that page! 8) Pretty irritating picture and certainly not positive!
<:-) Whoever designed that page is ->way out!  ;-)

DeeKay


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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 02:25:01 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) my radio show

> ok, late announcement, but my campus radio show, which you can listen to
> at www.wpi.edu/~radio, starts no (8pm EST), and I'm doing an all Orbital
> show.  Come listen and stuff.  yay!
>
> Marc Sawaya
>

Mark, shame on you! >:-(
Using Windows Media Player only!.. What about Shoutcast or even
fucking realaudio???
I know... M$ is giving away their streaming server for free! >:-(
Why doesn't real sue them for this i wonder??
Hello, hello... do we see any parallels to Netscape here?

Anyway, shoutcast should be free, too afair...

DeeKay


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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 02:30:10 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) my radio show (final)

> ok, late announcement, but my campus radio show, which you can listen to
> at www.wpi.edu/~radio, starts no (8pm EST), and I'm doing an all Orbital
> show.  Come listen and stuff.  yay!
>
> Marc Sawaya

Okay i tried... even threw on Win98s built-in IE just for you..
It said it didn't find some decompression program!..
Too bad!.. you lose! <:-)
That's what happens when you support shit-companies like M$.. >:-(

DeeKay

2 days left till G4-day! 8)


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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 04:51:14 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Re[2]: (orbital) my radio show (final)

> dmdd> Okay i tried... even threw on Win98s built-in IE just for you..
> dmdd> It said it didn't find some decompression program!..
> dmdd> Too bad!.. you lose! <:-)
> dmdd> That's what happens when you support shit-companies like M$.. >:-(
>
> DeeKay, try upgrading Media Player from this URL:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/mediaplayer/en/download/Win32Otherx86.asp
>
> It's not that huge (3.5MB). That should fix your problems and you'll be
> able to listen to WWPI even from Netscape (as I do).
>

Well, i refuse to make Realplayer updates unless the old one is a
year old (DeeKay policy! 8) and i sure as hell will refuse M$-Updates
just for the sake of boycotting M$... Sorry for you radio-show! <:-)


> I have a show on WWPI right before Marc's (6 to 8pm), so I can speak for
> the station a little. You see, our problem is the lack of people with
> the skill that are willing to involve in the radio station. Whoever was
> the technical manager for the radio station, decided to only set up the
> Windows Streaming server. I suppose that he either didn't know better
> or couldn't get anything else to work or simply decided that it was
> sufficient.
>

And THAT'S the wrong thinking!.. Just using M$ just because one is
not willing to try something else is the wrong kinda thinking!..
That's what made them so big and caused the mess we're in right now!

> But really, it's not that bad of a technology, for a 24kbps mono stream,
> it sounds good. What's bad is that you can't listen to it in anything
> other than Windows.
>

Yeah, pretty cool for a Webpage that is supposed to be viewed on any
platform, huh! 8)
The Mac users on the list will be grateful!...
And i bet both RA (yuck!) and Shoutcast sound just as good if not
better!..

> I just got my show on WWPI five weeks ago, so I haven't had much time to
> help out or get things straight. I think Marc is going to try to set up
> a ShoutCast server next academic year (starting in September) instead or
> in addition to the current Windows Streaming Media server. ShoutCast, as
> far as I know, is free.
>

Cool thing! 8) That's the spirit! ;-D

> RealAudio server unfortunately isn't free, so unless someone is willing
> to put money into that (and people aren't at all willing to put money
> into our college station), it's not likely to go up.
>

Ofcourse, that point is valid... that's why i'm waiting for Real to
sue M$ just like Netscape did! >:-) Cause some more headache with the
shitheads there! ;-D

> But seriously, try upgrading the Windows Media Player, maybe it'll work.
>

No fuckin way! ;-D I won't ever install a M$ product unless i
absolutely have to!..

DeeKay


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Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 06:12:30 -0400
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) my radio show (final)

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> > RealAudio server unfortunately isn't free, so unless someone is willing
> > to put money into that (and people aren't at all willing to put money
> > into our college station), it's not likely to go up.
> >
>
> Ofcourse, that point is valid... that's why i'm waiting for Real to
> sue M$ just like Netscape did! >:-) Cause some more headache with the
> shitheads there! ;-D

Actually, Apache should sue Real for making RealAudio server.  It's a fucking
joke!  It's merely a stripped down HTTP server that runs off a different port.
Why bother buying a Real server when you can run a seperate copy of Apache off a
different port.

- --
Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper ([e-mail])
Computer techie, Perl hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru
Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/)


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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:20:33 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) my radio show (final)

> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > > RealAudio server unfortunately isn't free, so unless someone is willing
> > > to put money into that (and people aren't at all willing to put money
> > > into our college station), it's not likely to go up.
> > >
> >
> > Ofcourse, that point is valid... that's why i'm waiting for Real to
> > sue M$ just like Netscape did! >:-) Cause some more headache with the
> > shitheads there! ;-D
>
> Actually, Apache should sue Real for making RealAudio server.  It's a fucking
> joke!  It's merely a stripped down HTTP server that runs off a different port.
> Why bother buying a Real server when you can run a seperate copy of Apache off a
> different port.

What about UDP?? Does Apache serve that right out of the box?
And did Real really steal from the Apache-Source?

DeeKay


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Date: Tue,  2 May 2000 02:31:00 -0700
From: Brian Willoughby <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) What the hell is this?

Forgive me for screaming in my first post in a while, but I found Middle of
Nowhere selling for $326.53 on GEMM !

Check out:

http://www2.gemm.com/music_cd_vinyl/new_used_collectible/search.pl?SID=2384761&KEY=18571&field=Artist+or+Title&wild=Orbital

and near the top of the list you'll find

Orbital - ** Middle of Nowhere - CD - $326.53

Who do they think we are?

B


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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:33:06 +0100
From: Garry Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Beached

=09
A couple of weeks ago there were a few mails from people saying Beached =
was
only available in the UK on import at $15.00.  If anybody's interested =
I
just picked it up at Our Price for =A33.99.

Lucky me !


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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:01:14 BST
From: "Trym Asserson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) HOORAHBALUUBA!!

My last exam for my degree! Done! Finito!

Small problem, maybe big, LS120 drive gone from department, no way to
transfer MP3s of the Roskilde bootleg to college and upload them.
Suggestions?

Wahey, finally bought myself a nice Soundlab DLP-32 deck, 'bout time after
all this daydreaming.

And a few new titles in my 12" round-up :

Peshay v Special Forces (Photek) - Lethal Vol. I
Polar - Mind of a Killer (Juryman Mixes)
Guardians of Dalliance - Transient
Grooverider - Pure Drum & Bass mix compilation
Technical Itch - untitled promo
Dillinja and Lemon D - Valve
James Hardway - Deeper, ...,Shit (in a Brown, cardboard box)
BT - Fibonacci Sequence

Awaiting with great anticipation :

BT & Sasha (under some moniker) - chill album
Sander Kleinenberg - My Lexicon 12"

God! I love Edinburgh and its excellent record shops and the sunny summer
coming up. See you all later!!

...end positive-rant...

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:43:04 -0400
From: "Patrick McGinn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) What the hell is this?

> Forgive me for screaming in my first post in a while, but I found Middle
of
> Nowhere selling for $326.53 on GEMM !
<snip>
> Who do they think we are?

Dunno, but I'd be willing to let my copy go for the bargain-bin low of
$325.53 :)))

Xaos
80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110






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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:37:32 -0700
From: "Ian Mahuron" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) What the hell is this?

> 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110

You could get a bit more clever Patrick!
Some kind of arbitrary bit rotation would throw most people off.

$_ = "80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110";
print map(pack("C*", $_) , split);




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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 10:48:02 EDT
From: "Robert Schultz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) The Man Known as Kel.

Hey,

Everyone disregard this message, unless your name is Kel :-)

Man, I lost your email, and I have a few questions for ya. Get back to me
when you get a chance.

Thanks,
Rob
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 23:08:43 GMT
From: "e. lanum" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) OT gemini

does anyone have any experiences they wish to share about gemini xl 500mk2
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