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orbital-digest        Wednesday, April 26 2000        Volume 02 : Number 328




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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:06:14 -0600
From: orbette <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: (orb) phoenix residents?

lysergic maximus wrote:

> sorry for the crosspost all, doubly sorry for those that get this twice (or
> more)
>
> i'm going to be in phoenix all next week on business and was wondering if
> there are any residents out there who could tell me where the decent record
> stores are.  i'm especially interested in places with used vinyl so if you
> can hook me up i'd appreciate it.  thanks a bunch and have a nice day.

One word in Phoenix records stores:  ZIA.  I don't even live there anymore and
I STILL order stuff from them.  Now if I could only remember the name of that
shoppe that specialised in bootlegs.  Sun Valley'ers can ya help??




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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:50:58 PDT
From: "Aronne Merrelli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: afx track names, bd vs. plaid, reviews,

>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:14:53 -0600 (MDT)
>From: Nub <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #326 (the whole damn thing!)
>
>uhhh... i like style. but speaking of shampoo and techno (how's that for a
>segue?) i was in the shower a while back and happened to glance at my
>housemate's shampoo bottle and it said:
>
>alberto: w/ balsalm
>
>that's not going to make any sense to you unless you're into aphex twin.
>but at least now we know how rdj gets his song titles (though last i
>checked there was no such thing as "windowlicker" underarm deoderant).

LOL! I always figured his tracknames were just made up,
but thats a bit extreme :-)

> > out the bath and put on the stereo and listened to Style again, this
>time
> > with a notebook and pen...looking for clues. Nothing much happened, but
>I
> > had drawn a Rolf-a-roo and a whole bunch of wiggly lines all over the
>place
> > - - now I was getting somewhere. The kangaroo shampoo connection, this
>is
> > what I'd been waiting my whole life for - I'm sure of it - I just don't
> > know why yet. Thats about as far as I got.
>
>whoa, more crack. mark, dude, maybe you should put away the bong for
>awhile!
>
> > Worth a look.. I noticed a short conversation between Black Dog and
>Plaid
> > on one of the newsgroups just recently a difference in opinion about
>tracks
> > on a new Plaid LP containing early material due soon on Warp. Just
> > wondering if you knew the release date ? Reply if you have - no big deal
>
>yeah - definitely the most interesting thing on idm-l in a while. the
>conflict is that ken (black dog) doesn't think that the other two guys
>(plaid) have the right to put out a compilation of plaid stuff on warp,
>since at the time those songs were written the boys were all still
>(legally at least) one big happy black dog productions family. kinda
>shitty of ken, imho, since a lot of people would kill to have stuff like
>mvuki mbuki on CD without paying ~$300 on ebay.
>

True, but I think what Ken prefers is that the original CDs were
repressed. Which I agree is a better solution - although one that
seems unlikely to happen. So I guess this Plaid compo is the only
way any of this material will get re-released. I can't wait for
it either, cause it has the Android EP on it with 'Angry Dolphin'
which is just a cool as hell track.

>agreed. here's my request for the orbital list: could people please post
>more reviews? i am constantly on the lookout for new music, and i try to
>post about each new electronic CD i get, but rarely do i ever see any from
>you guys. i know you like orbital, so your tastes must not be all that bad
>- - let us know what tickles your pickle!

A few things I've been enjoying lately :

Parc mutzle - this is a nice little 3 track CD. It reminds me
of orbital somewhat, not that it sounds like orbital, but the
complexity and arrangement is similar. Its only $3, and available
straight from the source - I believe this is a self produced -
no record label involved at all! RA clips & order info at
www.parcmutzle.com

Arovane - everything. I bought Atol Scrap [arovane 4], arovane 3,
arovane 2, and plint/thaem all with a couple weeks of each other.
Atol Scrap is the only one on CD - others are 12". This guy's
stuff is unbelievable. A reasonable comparison would be anvil vapre-
era Autechre style, in that he uses heavy beats, even often breakbeats
(but no Amen samples or crap like that) mixed in with subtle ambient
textures. Favorite track is definitely the auBen vor remix on
arovane 3. Everyone should buy a turntable just to hear this :-)
(some Ra of plnt/thaem at : http://www.eevolute.com/fwd9901.shtml
Note that if you listen to plnt first, this track doesn't match
his other tracks - this one is a deep tech house track)

Lackluster - suntrap / cull streak 12" (focus)
this is really hard to describe. Somewhat Board of Canada like, with simple
melodies and beats - but its definitely is his own style.
Very much 'chill-out' music.
If you are vinyl impaired, he also has a CD released on Focus,
I think the title is 'Container' - definitely worth checking out.

American Beauty score -
If you saw the movie and liked the music, get this. Note that I'm
talking about the score (by Thomas Newman) not the soundtrack :-)
Its very emotional music... I think the music is still as powerful
on its own, separated from the movie. The only problem is that the
tracks are very short - 'Arose' is one of my favorites and its
only 1:05, so I've considered burning my own CDr of this where I
loop the tracks a few times :-)

Toshoklabs - everything!!!!!
These guys are geniuses. IMHO this is the best electronic music
label right now... (its the kind of music that isn't easily
classified because it pulls from many sources. Go to
www.toshoklabs.com for some great mp3's (the Nanofunk EP is
downloadable, and absolutely amazing!!!) and also a live mp3
from Antarktika. The website is very cool in its own right,
so check it out! If anyone lives near NYC they do perform
live occasionally.

Well, thats enough for now, I'm tired of typing :-)

Regards,
   Aronne
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:12:45 BST
From: "Trym Asserson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) more music

>Anybody heard Speedy J's new album? I've not got round to finding it yet.

On that note, what style does he play? Always thought he was a d&b man, but
that's more because of the name than articles.

Picked up some great things lately:

David Holmes - My Mate Paul remixes 12"
Schematix - Discrepancies EP 12" (at a ludicrous 99p)
DJ TeeBee Presents - Black Science Labs (on vinyl so not been able to check
out yet other than in store ;) )

What sort of price should you be looking for if you're after a Technics
SL1210MK2 ? I've recently seen ú319, is that good?

Ahhh.. only one more week of finals and a full return to the normal world.
:(

Buhhbye!

Trym

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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:59:41 -0400
From: Chris Yates <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Speedy J

This CD is really dark in flavor with deep, heavy heavy bass. Certain
songs will remind you of Aphex Twin (the darker moments of SAW II),
Autechre (the first song off Anvil Vapre, Second Bad Vibel, if memory
serves), and Alec Empire, The Iceland Sessions). I find this release
to be very involving, like driving into a  tunnel. If you're familiar
with his previous full-length album, Public Energy No 1, you'll
recognize the direction he is going in, and appreciate the new depths
he's discovered.

And he hasn't made any d&b tracks, as far as I know. In terms of a
musical category, I'd put him with Aphex Twin and Autechre, but I
wouldn't put them in a category ; )

And I would give Shocking Hobby a perfect rating (well, nothing's
perfect, but I have no negative comments about this album)


>>Anybody heard Speedy J's new album? I've not got round to finding it yet.
>
>On that note, what style does he play? Always thought he was a d&b
>man, but that's more because of the name than articles.



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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:44:23 -0700
From: "Skip Acuff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: (orb) phoenix residents?

>>One word in Phoenix records stores:  ZIA.  I don't even live there
anymore and I STILL order stuff from them. <<<

Zia's is very good for cds, but they don't have a lot of vinyl.  There
is  vinyl shop at 4741 N. Central Avenue, Phoenix called Tracks in Wax.
It  claims to have an eclectic inventory of over 60,000 titles
(602-274-2660/ web: http://www.primenet.com/~tracks/    )

Also try Stinkweed's Record Exchange in Tempe (call 480-968-9490 for
directions) or Swell (480-945-3898)., both of which cater to the
rave/dance/dj culture I am told.

Hope that helps.  Enjoy your visit.


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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:38:23 -0400
From: "Shannon K. Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) News Article on Ecstacy

Hey glauco!

The stuff I know about are animal model studies done by neuroscientists.
I don't have them compiled or anything but there is tons of data about
damage to serotonin systems and the nerve endings {synapses} being burnt
out. You might go look-up MDMA {?Methoxy-Dimethyl-Methamphetamine} on
The Society for Neuroscience website:
http://www.sfn.org
or on National Library of Medicine's "PubMed" site:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

Whoever [maybe you?] it was that countered my last post with the fact
that only one study has been done using similar doses to what ppl are
taking is probably right about that {no damage found}. HOWEVER! the
animal studies DO prove that MDMA {the chem name for it} causes over
stimulation {why you get off!} of these synaptic connections where the
serotonin neurotransmitters become completely depleted and die-off in
the process.

There is scientific data showing that these degenerated endings can be
traced and stained with fluorescent tracers and the damage is pretty
global {all over} the brain because the serotonergic systems are
'modifiers' to many brain functions controlled by other
neurotransmitters. Granted we are constantly losing old connections and
making new ones all the time which accounts for people being able to
learn their whole lives even though they only get one set of neurons
that stop growing around your early 20's.

But the general rule with ANY exposure to ANY substance it's "long term"
{chronic} abuse that catches up with people. The good news is that
brains have an amazing capacity to recover from short-term {acute}
insults. {Just go easy on them or these become chronic too}
And one last caveat being, this ability to compensate and recover from
acute injuries decreases, the older we get. {I can't drink a tenth of
what I could guzzle in college} ;)

Watch Take care
{a friend of mine says this}

ShannON +ON +ON
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bacchi wrote:
>
> hi
> have you any links to the data on long term e usage?
> wud b most interested and grateful.
> thanx in adance.
> glauco

> >
> > JL Jones wrote:
> > > US News and World Report also had an Ecstasy
> > > article last week. I get the print editon..
> > > Same anti-usage propaganda BS....
> > > ah well...


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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 23:51:46 +0200
From: chump <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Underworld Split !!!!!!!!!!

  check this link out :

  http://www.nme.com/newsdesk/20000425123737.html


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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:39:11 -0400
From: "Shannon K. Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Who is Scott Walker?

On Chumpo's advice I took the bait and saw that Mr. Emerson is leaving
underworld.
Upon further investigation, I'm just cluing in about Orbital scheduled
for this Meltdown festival in London June17-July2
http://www.nme.com/newsdesk/20000404173928.html

My question is "who is Scott Walker?".
I get that he's the organiser, but the article implies that he will be
performing with Orbital as well.

Also, Just heard David gray on PBS's World Cafe.
Pretty nice tune.
    Not sure if Paul was in there or not...
?Is there another David Gray besides the one Paul works with?

So many questions so little time ...

SHIT!, Gotta giit!


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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:54:54 BST
From: "Trym Asserson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) (non-orbital) but Biosphere!

Hi folks!

New Biosphere solo-album out now. Cirque released in Norway on 21st April,
2000. Only available on mail order from Touch so far, but in UK it has
retail release after May 2nd, I think. Anyway, excellent piece, brilliant
ambient from the norwegian master composer of arctic aural pleasure.

The CD ranges from reworkings of past tracks, new tracks mostly influenced
by recent, commissioned works and projects of Geir Jenssen, such as the
Silent Orchestra, and other long pieces. Comes in nice digipak with nice
cover imagery from natural scenes throughout the world. I get the impression
the theme is water, both frozen and live, or natural sounds, for this album.
It will take more than just the half-way through listen I've had so far, but
this album seems to me another defining moment of Biosphere's career.

Best regards,

Trym Asserson
- - over the moon today and for the weeks to come, two Biosphere releases this
year! :)

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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:00:20 -0400
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Speedy J

Chris Yates wrote:
>
> And he hasn't made any d&b tracks, as far as I know. In terms of a
> musical category, I'd put him with Aphex Twin and Autechre, but I
> wouldn't put them in a category ; )

There's always IDM :)

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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:12:34 -0400
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) News Article on Ecstacy

"Shannon K. Campbell" wrote:
>
> Hey glauco!
>
> The stuff I know about are animal model studies done by neuroscientists.
> I don't have them compiled or anything but there is tons of data about
> damage to serotonin systems and the nerve endings {synapses} being burnt
> out. You might go look-up MDMA {?Methoxy-Dimethyl-Methamphetamine} on
> The Society for Neuroscience website:
> http://www.sfn.org
> or on National Library of Medicine's "PubMed" site:
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi
>
> Whoever [maybe you?] it was that countered my last post with the fact
> that only one study has been done using similar doses to what ppl are
> taking is probably right about that {no damage found}. HOWEVER! the
> animal studies DO prove that MDMA {the chem name for it} causes over
> stimulation {why you get off!} of these synaptic connections where the
> serotonin neurotransmitters become completely depleted and die-off in
> the process.

After reading that anti-E propoganda bullshit on USA Today, I decided to check
some REAL sources about neurotoxicity with MDMA.  Erowid, as usual, has lots of
information, including a good report on neurotox studies:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_faq3.shtml#neurotox

Net result is that one study on MDMA which produced neurotoxicity was
jury-rigged with unusually high doses (and methods of intake), just so the media
can feed off them and announce "Studies show..."  Another -real- study on
- -primates- taken -orally- with -normal doses- produced no neurotox.

It recommends that even if MDMA is neurotoxic, some OJ and bananas would do the
trick to combat it easily.  Hey, if people die because they aren't drinking
something as simple as water, maybe you should think about a visit to a smart
bar for a quick banana/OJ drink.

As Shannon said, MODERATION!

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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:13:26 BST
From: "Trym Asserson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Speedy J

>Chris Yates wrote:
> >
> > And he hasn't made any d&b tracks, as far as I know. In terms of a
> > musical category, I'd put him with Aphex Twin and Autechre, but I
> > wouldn't put them in a category ; )
>
>There's always IDM :)

Recently that term's become just as annoying as people calling all
electronic music "techno". As for Aphex Twin, Autechre and Speedy J, here's
another one I think will fit in just nicely. Pilote, Certificate 18 artist
with some heavily Autechre-doped music. Uses more samples though than I've
heard in Autechre, but still the scratching, scraping, half-finished,
industrial sounds that blended together sounds perfectly harmonious (if that
is a word?).

Trym

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