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orbital-digest         Friday, March 24 2000         Volume 02 : Number 312




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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:03:38 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Re: Spaniards street-naming scheme...

Spain named a Street after AC/DC?
What's it called? "Highway to hell?" ;-D

Sorry, couldn't help it! <:-)

DeeKay


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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:53:46 GMT
From: "e. lanum" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Sniv

whoa i guess i always took the artwork from this album for granted
i nevre notieced the cars driving around the edge or the flags on the guys
head
also his eyeballs look like globes


   well i love the sniv picture.
   a few years ago i got someone to paint the front cover of it on my
   wall.
   1.5 * 2.0 meters.
   u can  check the result here :
   http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/sniv-3.jpg
   some other shit :

   http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/

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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:40:34 -0800
From: ".." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Due to that fact that loopz message board, quite simply, sucks, Should i  open an open one?

If i set an UBB message board that wasn't censored with no ads would you
all be interested in it? UBB is similar to what DVDtalk.com runs.  Nice
setup.  Would be nice to have an open message board to discuss anything
without censorships. Cuz i frankly dont care.




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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:03:10 -0000
From: "benjib" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Due to that fact that loopz message board, quite simply, sucks, Should i open an open one?

> mornin'
>
> that would be a good idea since i have been banned from the loopz board
>
> benjib




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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:25:53 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Sniv

Wow! 8)
I wish i had sth like that on the wall! <:-)
But unfortunately i don't have any friends who are skilled at
airbrushing!.. 8_(
One Question: How can you have this picture ON THE WALL (=see it
every day!) and NOT notice the cars and the Flags? <:-)

DeeKay


> whoa i guess i always took the artwork from this album for granted
> i nevre notieced the cars driving around the edge or the flags on the guys
> head
> also his eyeballs look like globes
>
>
>    well i love the sniv picture.
>    a few years ago i got someone to paint the front cover of it on my
>    wall.
>    1.5 * 2.0 meters.
>    u can  check the result here :
>    http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/sniv-3.jpg
>    some other shit :
>
>    http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/
>
> --
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:02:01 EST
From: "Robert Schultz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Backstreet Boys

Hey,

This just strikes me as funny...

http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/americas/03/22/canada.backstreet.boys.reut/index.html

Rob

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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:06:05 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) marc's server

> >
> > Marc's ftp seems to be doing quite well at the moment. If someone has any
> > good ALBUMS similiar to Orbital, go on and upload them, 'cause full albums
> > are much more fun to listen to! thanks for your time
>
> You are going to hell!  These musicians only get 5% of their profits
> (while the talentless CD cutters get the other 95%), so be nice and buy
> the damn albums!
>
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Brendan, you don't REALLY wanna start this argument, do you? <:-)
I mean - we've had it before, didn't we? Apparently only the 10%+
musicians are angry at mp3s, the normal 5% musicians see the
possibilities and so should you!..

Question: If you hate the "talentless CD cutters" so much, why would
you give them 95% of the price you pay for a CD voluntarily?

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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:17:37 -0600
From: "J Van" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) marc's server

>Apparently only the 10%+
>musicians are angry at mp3s, the normal 5% musicians see the
>possibilities and so should you!..

Thats a typical MP3 leechers' mentality...

Don't mp3 albums that you can buy in stores....Support the artist and buy
the album

My take on MP3s in general - I for one dont welcome the vanishing
physical presence of recordings... to me having the thing is something
that I like... it was bad enough having to lose out on records and their
presence...
now CD's seem like they have a lot of personality compared to digital
recordings
which just float across the phone lines...


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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:09:47 EST
From: "Robert Schultz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) marc's server

"Apparently only the 10%+ musicians are angry at mp3s, the normal 5%
musicians see the possibilities and so should you!.."

"Thats a typical MP3 leechers' mentality...

Don't mp3 albums that you can buy in stores....Support the artist and buy
the album

My take on MP3s in general - I for one dont welcome the vanishing
physical presence of recordings... to me having the thing is something
that I like... it was bad enough having to lose out on records and their
presence...
now CD's seem like they have a lot of personality compared to digital
recordings
which just float across the phone lines..."

Yeah, I agree! Now, does anyone have any albums I can leech? I'm really
looking for FULL albums. I don't have anything to trade either. I don't care
if they're available in stores here! I have the money to buy the albums, but
hey, if I can get them for free I'll leech 'em! ;-)

No, but really, I only like MP3s when they're a little on the rare side. For
example, I'll only get an Orbital MP3 when (1) I intend to buy the album
anyway, and I just can't wait to hear the song! (2) It's out of print, and
avaible only in another country, and since I'm a fuckin American, I can't
get it here. (3) I don't want to pay $40 on EBay for a three track album (4)
I don't own a damn turntable.

I think MP3s are good for the industry because they promote the music. Most
of the time, I get MP3s so that I can see if I'll like the song for myself,
rather than relying on shitty bass-akwards reviews or other people's
opinions, and I won't have to buy a $35 import blindly! Protecting my
investment :-) MP3s stimulate CD sales.

However, it's those fucks that like to get Backstreet Boys and fuckin Korn
albums on MP3 that I can't stand. I mean, go buy the fuckin CD at Tower for
10 bucks! (it's on sale this month) :-) Then, those other people have the
nerve to make 10 copies of that shit and sell them for like $5?!? MP3s
should ALWAYS be traded, and not just leeched.

That's just my take on the matter.

Rob

P.S. Anyone know any good leech sites? ;-)
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:49:43 -0500
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Drug flamewar...

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Yiiie-Haaaa! 8)
> Right on, it's a flamewar! ;-D
>
> And guess who's (again) involved? Brendan! <:-)
> Now, don't get me wrong, Brendan, I'm not condemning you for what
> happened before, but i just can't help but notice a *slight*
> similarity in all the flamewars on the list: you! <:-)

Well, excuuuuuuuuse me.  I wasn't the one who started it.

> The point is that since you raised the bloodpressure of some people
> in the past you need to be a bit more careful in HOW you say
> things!.. I found your post interesting to read and all that, and
> like Nub said before, there's quite some truth in it, but the way you
> put it was too much fact-like and not enough "IMHO"!.. And with a
> topic like drugs IMHO is absolutely necessary cause the topic is WAY
> too complex to evoke the impression that one knew it all!

What?  You don't like facts?  I prefer facts over opinions anyday.

> I think Brendan is a bit of a "Schlaubi Schlumpf" (The smurf that
> knows it all, dunno what the english name is! 8) He informs himself
> about a subject and then thinks he knows it all and can pass
> judgement, be it Rap music, Moby or Drugs!.. But all of these topics
> are too complex to really pass judgement from knowledge one gathered
> from the net or in say a year or two!..  One would only be allowed to
> pass judgement if one would be PERSONALLY INVOLVED in the subject for
> a time long enough, let's say 6 years minimum! That's the reason why
> the government sends ex-druggies to schools to tell the kids! Anyone
> else wouldn't seem credible enough!

Yeah, and those "ex-druggies" are in the minority.  Most people who take
drugs for a while (and are -smart- about taking drugs) remember that
they had a good time, but they simply don't do them any more.

> Now, i haven't seen neither of you (brendan & Marc) mention the
> sideeffects of E for example, WHAT it does to your brain and the
> long-term effects!.. Saying "inform yourself about what you're
> taking' is not enough if you're advocating drug-use! ANY good article
> i ever read about drugs (e.g. in Techno-Magazines!) had that in it!
> Saying something as blatant as "drugs are stupid" without giving
> reasons is pretty offensive and intolerant, i agree with Brendan
> there, but saying "Drugs are okay" without giving the facts just
> doesn't seem correct either!

Errr...what facts do you need, man?  I have books and books and pages of
facts to reference from if you need them.

xolotl ranted:
>
> There is a great slide show here that shows you what e does to your
> brain, and some of the dangers associated with e. The truth is there have
> been no long term tests done on any humans with mdma. There have been some
> experiments conducted with rats, and i think with monkey's but don't qutoe
> me on that. Personally i've had some violent mood swings, some depression,
> and a bit of long term memory loss up to a few days after taking the drug
> but it's not a regular occurance. They think it MIGHT be connected with
> parkisons disease but again...don't quote me on that. I'd be more than
> happy to share my trips/experiences with anyone else who would like to
> share/know more.

Or it might have to do with the other chemicals that they put in E.  I
don't know why people feel a need to put shit in E, when pure E is just
fine.  I've had a little bit of post-drug depression, but nothing
major.  And E is just cousin of speed, so any research on speed would be
similar to research on E.  (Of course, the happy effects aren't in the
speed research, but the other stuff is.)

Deekay spewed:
>
> Spain named a Street after AC/DC?
> What's it called? "Highway to hell?" ;-D
>
> Sorry, couldn't help it! <:-)

Ugh!  What's worse that AC/DC?  Bad AC/DC jokes.

> Brendan, you don't REALLY wanna start this argument, do you? <:-)
> I mean - we've had it before, didn't we? Apparently only the 10%+
> musicians are angry at mp3s, the normal 5% musicians see the
> possibilities and so should you!..

I'm fine with grabbing a few songs from an album on MP3.  I do it myself
to test an album before I buy it.  But, grabbing an entire CD on MP3 is
bad, bad, bad.

> Question: If you hate the "talentless CD cutters" so much, why would
> you give them 95% of the price you pay for a CD voluntarily?

That's a dumb question.  Do you know of any way to get a CD without
paying for it, short of stealing?

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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:42:23 -0500
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Message Boards

".." wrote:
>
> If i set an UBB message board that wasn't censored with no ads would you
> all be interested in it? UBB is similar to what DVDtalk.com runs.  Nice
> setup.  Would be nice to have an open message board to discuss anything
> without censorships. Cuz i frankly dont care.

Please take a look at RPGBoard.  It's, in a lot of ppl's opinion, the
best MB out there.  It's on my site at
http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/software/rpgboard/

I'm not tooting my own horn just for my ego, but I'd hate to see you get
one of those damn UBB or WWWThread boards.

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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:05:24 EST
From: "Robert Schultz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Message Boards

Brendan proclaimed:

"I'm not tooting my own horn just for my ego."

You aren't?




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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:00:09 -0500
From: Oleg Rekutin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re[2]: (orbital) Message Boards

Not to start a flamewar, but I disagree with "damn UBB board." I find
UBB very nice, and a whole lot of sites are using it quite successfully.

Not to mention I'm going to be writing my own bulletin board software
soon, but that's for a private project, so it's not likely to go public
or anything.

- - Oleg

Thursday, March 23, 2000, 1:42:23 PM, you wrote:

BBS> ".." wrote:
>>
>> If i set an UBB message board that wasn't censored with no ads would you
>> all be interested in it? UBB is similar to what DVDtalk.com runs.  Nice
>> setup.  Would be nice to have an open message board to discuss anything
>> without censorships. Cuz i frankly dont care.

BBS> Please take a look at RPGBoard.  It's, in a lot of ppl's opinion, the
BBS> best MB out there.  It's on my site at
BBS> http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/software/rpgboard/

BBS> I'm not tooting my own horn just for my ego, but I'd hate to see you get
BBS> one of those damn UBB or WWWThread boards.




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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:10:59 -0500
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Message Boards

Oleg Rekutin wrote:
>
> Not to start a flamewar, but I disagree with "damn UBB board." I find
> UBB very nice, and a whole lot of sites are using it quite successfully.

UBB -looks- nice, but I find it to be a pain in the ass in the
functionality department, and it doesn't have anything special that I
don't already have in RPGBoard.

> Not to mention I'm going to be writing my own bulletin board software
> soon, but that's for a private project, so it's not likely to go public
> or anything.

What for?  College project, or do you need it for something?  I figure
"Why duplicate work" when you can use something else and tweak it to
your own needs.

"Good programmers know what to write.  Great ones know what to rewrite
(and reuse)."  -- Eric S. Raymond

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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:27:55 EST
From: "Robert Schultz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) OAKEY!

Hey all,

Um, I know there's like 5 of you out there in the Boston area, so last call
to get put on the Paul Oakenfold/Dave Ralph guest list :-)

I'm headed out to the pre-party around 9:00 :-))))

Lata!

Robbie
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:34:19 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion..

{all the "don't leech stuff that you can by in stores" stuff snipped]

Hey!

You guys have REALLY bought this "copy kills music" shit the record
industry is spreading? 8)

Do you REALLY think that just because the record industry's margins
have dropped by 7% there'll be no more music??
And that Bands go out of business and quit making music just because
they sell less albums?
"Shit!.. Our margins have dropped from 95% to 88% How are we supposed
to live on that! HELP! HELP! WE'RE GOING BANKRUPT! We can't pay our
artists anymore!"
Duudes, wake up! 8)

The fact remains - these fucks make 95% profit of someone else's
creativity!.. And as far as i am concerned they can completely go to
hell!.. ALL of the majors! Unfortunately it won't happen!
NOBODY needs them!
WHAT for would we need them??? MUSIC will always be there, will
always find a way!.. What's this weird thinking that an artist needs
a record label to become popular? Hasn't especially ORBITAL proven
the exact opposite??

It seems that all of you have forgotten about what happened since
they introduced the CD!.. It was WAY more expensive than a Record,
and People were complaining... So they said "we need to get the money
back that we spent on development of the CD, after that prices will
drop.. well, what happened? The prices were CONSTANTLY raised!
They can simply charge so much for a CD cause people are willing to
PAY it, since they want the music (which is all that counts! Not the
Top-of-the-pops, radio play shit marketing!) Now people don't HAVE
to buy the CDs anymore since there's mp3.. and they don't! .. They
just don't!.. I think that's a great thing! 8)

Don't get me wrong, the last thing i want is ripping the artists
off... they might go through a hard time now with the current
structures established, but if you get a foul tooth removed, it also
hurts, but it's better for you afterwards!
I would be happy to pay $5 for an album and download it straight from
the artist's server, including booklet and all that!... IF THAT WHOLE
$5 GOES TO THE ARTIST!.. Let's see... that is exactly TEN times as
much as he'd make of that $10 deal that Rob mentioned!..
okay, subtract some studio costs and web-traffic and he'll still get
a multiple of what he'd usually get!..

I'm watching this whole thing laughing my ass off with the RIIA and
it's villains running around like headless chicken trying to
re-invent the internet while they themselves said exactly 1 year
ago that mp3 is "just a trend for a few freaks and will soon vanish!"
mp3 is here to stay, and i dunno how the situation will develop, but
the only thing i somehow know is that the outcome will be good! 8)
And that'll be the first REAL liberation the internet has brought us
then, Linux will be the second (or the other way around, doesn't
matter! 8)

Remember: The Artists hate the record industry, and so do we...
Why on earth should we support them in ANY way at all??

The only thing I'm buying is Orbital, and that's just because i have
to, with the old rotten structures still established!..

And yeah: Fuck the shitheads that sell mp3s, have klickbanner sites
running or are selling copied CDRs! These should go to hell aswell!

"1000 copied CDs kill one Newcomer band!"
Yeah right!... Isn't it rather:
"One record company boss kills 1000 Newcomer bands a day"
>:-)

Maybe mainstream will go away!.. Maybe there'll be a MULTITUDE of
bands suddenly and nobody knows anymore who's hip and trendy... but
is that really bad??? 8) Couldn't we all do SOOO fucking well without
all these artificial shit-bands, boy-, girl- and hermaphroditegroups
and this shit? >:-)
Remember: MUSIC WILL ALWAYS BE THERE!!!! It's one of man's most basic
needs and talents to make and consume music!
Record companies need the artists (cause they're not productive
themselves, they just live off other's creativity!) but artists don't
need the record companies anymore these days! 8) And that's FUCKING
funny!..
When cars became popular, nobody needed any more blacksmiths and all
that... when electricity became popular, nobody needed the people
that built steam engines anymore... and we're approaching a time
where the exact same thing will happen to a) Microsoft and b) the
Record companies! >:-) How did the "slave" of Sony music (The artist
formerly known as Prince") call it? Sign o' the times!

The basic principle that the RIIA just seems to be unable to grasp
ist the sheer possiblility of digital copies. I copy from someone
else and have the exact same thing!.. That's generally VERY hard to
get ahold of for the human mind! 8) In ALL other areas of life, if i
take something away from someone, i have it and he hasn't! and if i
copy it it's lossy copying, that means it's just not the original!
but with digital copying that's completely different.
The presence of digital copies being there moves the power away from
the producers towards the consumer, and this is something that we've
all been waiting for for quite some time now!.. I CAN buy some
software if i wanna use it, but i don't HAVE to... I CAN buy an Album
if i want it but i don't HAVE to! And all this without STEALING from
anone! 8)
Sorry, but i have to go a little offtopiv now: I always laugh my ass
off if i see figures from the SPA (Software Piracy Association) that
say: "We lost $30 Gazillion last year due to pirated software" -
totally neglecting the fact that only a tiny fraction of the people
would've actually BOUGHT the stuff if they had to, either because
it's not worth buying it anyway or they simply wouldn't have the
dough!
btw: There's no such thing as software piracy as pirates robbed
(=took things AWAY!) and murdered people! That's all just propaganda
BS! Have you ever heard of a software vendor (that made
some great products!) that went out of business cause of software
piracy?? I know i haven't!.. If someone produces good stuff, people
are willing to pay for it!.. And if Hash Animator Pro can do a
pretty large part of the things that Max, Softimage, Maya, Cinema and
Lightwave can do and only costs a tiny fraction of it, i will buy
it!.. (Strange... There's no such thing as large differences in price
in the music business!... I wonder why? >:-)

DeeKay, dreaming of the day when i'd turn on the radio and listen to
it straight for several days without ever hearing the same song
twice!

Quote P.Hartnoll: "Anything that raises hell in the record industry
is good" - and no, Steve, i don't think he was joking very much
there cause other artists say the same thing! >:-)


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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:34:19 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: OT: Re: (orbital) Message Boards -> Eric Raymond

> "Good programmers know what to write.  Great ones know what to rewrite
> (and reuse)."  -- Eric S. Raymond
>
> --
> Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper ([e-mail])

Speaking of Opensource:

If you guys wanna have a good laugh, check out
http://microsoft.eu.org

Do it as long as it's there! ;-D

It might be damn slow as it runs on a 64k-line, but there's not much
data to be transferred anyway! 8)

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:34:19 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Message Boards

> ".." wrote:
> >
> > If i set an UBB message board that wasn't censored with no ads would you
> > all be interested in it? UBB is similar to what DVDtalk.com runs.  Nice
> > setup.  Would be nice to have an open message board to discuss anything
> > without censorships. Cuz i frankly dont care.
>
> Please take a look at RPGBoard.  It's, in a lot of ppl's opinion, the
> best MB out there.  It's on my site at
> http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/software/rpgboard/
>
> I'm not tooting my own horn just for my ego, but I'd hate to see you get
> one of those damn UBB or WWWThread boards.
>
Nopes, the best one there is is BurgBBS! 8)
A true BBS-like board in Perl (even featuring oneliners!)...
I think it's at http://www.scs-trc.net/sh

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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:52:04 EST
From: "Robert Schultz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Music Industry

Alright, not to kiss ass but, why is it that everytime we have an argument,
and we sort of spat around at each other about a topic, and a
psuedo-flamewar starts, Deekay always steps up and sets the record straight?

People, he's definitely correct about MP3s and the music industry. I mean,
there's no contesting it. The music industry is fucking us, and we sit here
and protect our beloved artists. The artists know this, but they have no
choice. Orbital just wouldn't have the resources available to start an
indepedent, a true independent. Besides, as far as they're concerned
everyone is winning. :-) But they still support corrupting the music
industry, I believe. Of course they're not going to be vocal about it, but
they're going to be ambiguous as well! :-)

Alright, enough of this. Axis awaits...

Peace,
Rob
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:03:50 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Orbital-Circle discovered!

When making some logo and scanning for some useful shit just now i=20
realized that The Orbital Circle is actually a part of the=20
Windings-Font! 8) It's the Cent-sign =A2 and it can be typed by holding=20
the alt-key and typing 0162!..
I've checked the proportions, and it is the EXACT same thing! 8)))
That's pretty funny actually! 8)
And it eases things up pretty much when doing orbital-related stuff,=20
hehe!.. Finally the circle is scalable(font!) in Photoshop 5+! ;-D

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:03:50 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion..

> The only thing I'm buying is Orbital, and that's just because i have
> to, with the old rotten structures still established!..

I just re-read that, lemme rephrase it:

The only thing I'm buying is Orbital, and that's just because i
want to support them as much as possible, and with the old rotten
structures that are still established buying their CDs is the only
way!


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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:45:44 -0500
From: "KELL SIMON" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) fs

quick fs list.  $8 each including shipping.

Mu-ziq - brace yourself
autechre - tri repeate ++
underworld - beaucoup fish
jega - spectrum
alex reece - so far
deep dish - junk science
mike oldfield - the bell (cds)
fila brazilia - mess (uk)
asian dub foundation - rafi's revenge
ebtg - walking wounded
system 7 - fire & water
artificial intelligence ii (warp)
dj soul slinger - don't believe
photek - risk vs. reward
mercury rev - deserter's songs
photek - form & function
speedy j - gspot (2cd, one is live)
oakenfold - tranceport
total science vol. 1 (1995 or so uk dnb comp w/ roni size, "dillinger")
v classic (konkrete jungle comp w/ roni size, goldie, dillinjah, krust =
etc)
stereolab - dots & loops
boards of canada - music has the right...

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:29:37 GMT
From: "Trym Asserson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) available bootleg MP3s on Marc's server

Hi,

just a quick note that anxious awaiters of the Roskilde show can now get
almost all of it from Marc's server.

the tracks uploaded until now in (/Upload) are :

Orbital - Dr Who (live in Roskilde '99)
Orbital - Chime (full live in Roskilde '99)
Orbital - Way Out (live in Roskilde '99)
Orbital - I Don't Know You People (live in Roskilde '99)
Orbital - Halcyon (live in Roskilde '99)
Orbital - Impact (Roskilde is burning '99)

If things go fast like now, I may even upload them all by the end of the
day.

Regards,

Trym

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:38:23 -0500
From: "Patrick McGinn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion..

I didn't want to get into this, but all of DK's arguments leave out the
division between our music and major label music.

> The fact remains - these fucks make 95% profit of someone else's
> creativity!.. And as far as i am concerned they can completely go to
> hell!.. ALL of the majors! Unfortunately it won't happen!
> NOBODY needs them!
> WHAT for would we need them??? MUSIC will always be there, will
> always find a way!.. What's this weird thinking that an artist needs
> a record label to become popular? Hasn't especially ORBITAL proven
> the exact opposite??

You seem to be saying that the artist deserves 100% of the profit.  This is
quite frankly, extremely stupid.  Would you say the engineers who worked on
the BMW M3 deserve every penny from every M3 ever sold? No, because they
weren't the only people involved.  In fact, their job was the easiest
economically.  They did the creation, but now the company has to actually
move those cars.  They gotta build the factories, pay to keep them
operating, hire machinists, and get the cars shipped to dealers (who then
mark up the price again to cover their expenses.)

I realize what you're going to say to this, that the analogy I made is
idiotic because artists can put stuff out on the web with no distribution
costs.  That's wrong though.  They still have to pay for bandwith, servers,
a web design team, etc.  You also seem to be saying that artists are locked
into signing to a major label and releasing their stuff the traditional
way...  You said "music will find a way."  The fact is, music already has,
but it's not the way you want.  If you want as much money from your purchase
as possible to go to the artist, then buy direct from the label, or from
independent and local record stores.  You should find that the prices are
much cheaper than what you'd pay at the mall.

> Remember: The Artists hate the record industry, and so do we...
> Why on earth should we support them in ANY way at all??

I wouldn't say that.  If they hated it, they either wouldn't be part of it,
or they'd ignore it.

> The only thing I'm buying is Orbital, and that's just because i have
> to, with the old rotten structures still established!..
>
> Maybe mainstream will go away!.. Maybe there'll be a MULTITUDE of
> bands suddenly and nobody knows anymore who's hip and trendy... but
> is that really bad??? 8) Couldn't we all do SOOO fucking well without
> all these artificial shit-bands, boy-, girl- and hermaphroditegroups
> and this shit? >:-)

The mainstream will always be there.  Most of us [on this list] live outside
of it.  Looking at the CDs on my desk, listen to the label names:
Interdimensional Transmission, Nothing, Mad Monkey, Car Park, Mego, Broklyn
Beats, Planet e, Skam, Sulphur, V/Vm, Ninja Tune, Planet Mu, and Caipirinha.
How many of them would *you* call mainstream?  One or two for the Americans,
and maybe three or four for the British?  This stuff's out there.  Search
for it, then support the stuff you like.  Just because it's not sold at
fucking Sam Goody doesn't mean it's not available.

> The basic principle that the RIIA just seems to be unable to grasp
> ist the sheer possiblility of digital copies. I copy from someone
> else and have the exact same thing!.. That's generally VERY hard to
> get ahold of for the human mind! 8) In ALL other areas of life, if i
> take something away from someone, i have it and he hasn't! and if i
> copy it it's lossy copying, that means it's just not the original!
> but with digital copying that's completely different.
> The presence of digital copies being there moves the power away from
> the producers towards the consumer, and this is something that we've
> all been waiting for for quite some time now!.. I CAN buy some
> software if i wanna use it, but i don't HAVE to... I CAN buy an Album
> if i want it but i don't HAVE to! And all this without STEALING from
> anone! 8)

That section actually made me laugh out loud.  The thing is, you're not god
damned entitled to hear these records!  You're not entitled to use that
software!  No one owes you anything.  It's all just a long winded
self-absolving way of saying "this music isn't worth paying for.  The artist
does not deserve any of my money."  If that wasn't the way you felt, you'd
suck it up like the rest of us and buy the CDs until something better came
along.  And yes, you do *HAVE* to.  Otherwise you're breaking the law.

The only way I will ever download an MP3 without payment is if there is no
way the artist would otherwise received my money (this includes mainly OOP
material - stuff that completely sold out it's print run, and is now only
available used.  Also included is unreleased material (eg the three new
songs BoC played at New Year's)) or material was released on the label's web
page for free.

Hugs and kisses,

Xaos
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