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orbital-digest         Monday, August 23 1999         Volume 02 : Number 243




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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:29:39 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Live Shite

In a message dated 99-08-19 13:31:20 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< But with mp3's so
 prevalent now, I say we put them to good use.  I have the hardware,
 software, and supplies to burn cd's of live shows.  If you supply the songs,
 I'll churn out the discs >>

I know a few of you (maybe more) are also on The Orb mailing list- when they
had that FTP site up with live shows and out-of-print mixes, it was a dream
come true.  Of course it's down now, but SHIT it was great.

Brent


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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:45:25 +0100
From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) ACetate 12 inch - Nothing Left

>ORBITAL Nothing Left (UK Tape-To-Tape/London promo 12" acetate
>  feat Breeder Mix & Rowan & G's Pariah Mix, custom studio labels)
>   UK 35.00 / $ 56.00

>Worth the money?

>Are these mixes available anywhere else?

ACetates are like probably less than 10 copies...very very rare - collectors
items. They can only be played a few times really...and its best not to play
them to keep their price.

These remixes are not available at all...unreleased stuff. Rejected
stuff....but worthy i suppose. i will eventually put these remixes on the
site as well.

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine
www.loopz.co.uk

p.s. a couple of hours until Loopz Rare CD compo kicks off.




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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:41:35 +0100
From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) 100 Orbital Live Limited CDS to be won at LOOPZ

To enter - visit LOOPZ (http://www.loopz.co.uk)
In celebration of a decade of music from Orbital, the website visitors are
invited to enter a competition whereby fans can nominate their personal top
five favourite Orbital tracks played at this summer's live shows. The first
100 sets of nominations to be pulled from a very large virtual hat will be
sent -- absolutely for FREE -- an Orbital digital mega-rarity consisting of
the 5 live tracks arrived at by popular consensus. Not a CDR but a genuine
limited run of bonafide compact discs featuring exclusive artwork and
catalogue number -- each copy will be individually numbered. There will be a
total of 500 in existance.
At this stage, the CD looks set to be made up of tracks culled from the
Steve Lamacq Show's recording of Orbital at the Castle Grounds at Edinburgh
Festival which is due to be broadcast on Radio One sometime in early
September.
Potential entrants are respectfully asked to limit their choices to "Way
Out"; "Spare Parts Express"; "Impact (The Earth is Burning)"; "Know Where To
Run"; "Halcyon"; "I Don't Know You People"; "The Box"; "Nothing Left";
"Style"; "Satan" and "Chime". Enteries that contain tracks not named in
official list will be void
Steve LOOPZ Price
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:42:59 +0100
From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital / Loopz

As well as the competition :-

The 2nd part of Orbital live at Brixton is now online
Ibiza99 confirmed
2 Live dates in Brazil confirmed

www.loopz.co.uk (sign the guestbook....only 100 odd from the 1000 enteries!)

Thanx

Steve LOOPZ Price
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:09:29 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) URGENT! fellow passengers needed for orbital show...

Orbital will be playing the Lowlands festival in .nl next week and i
REALLY wanna go there!.. however, gas costs are too high for me, so
i'm searching for someone to travel with me from the south of germany
(or whom i could pick up aloing the way!)...
Lemme know ASAP so I'll try to get the tickets then!
Lotsa other bands are coming too like e.g. Les Rhythmes Digitales
(still looking for that Nothing left vinyl-promo only remix from
him!).. just check www.lowlands.nl!

Sorry for interrupting,

DeeKay


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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:16:47 -0700
From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) leftfield

thanx for the live dr who!

I bought Leftfield's Leftism finally the other day and all I can say is wow.
I didn't realize that they were this good.  If I remember correctly, they do
have other work and it's not as good.  How is it different?  I find that
they sound very similar to Underworld.  It's something about the very hard
layered beats.  If you don't have this disk yet, buy it, it's a classic.


peace
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:03:29 GMT
From: "Andy Jackson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Techno chickens vs Hip Hop eggs

Just to elaborate on this oft-repeated argument;

> "Without rap, there would be no techno (or something to that effect)"
>
> MAJOR DISCREPENCY MY FRIEND. Tech was here LONG before rap. Check the
> history.

Sorry, but that's not the way the music historians look at it...the
music which is termed 'techno' didn't start till the Belleville 3
(May, Atkins, Saunderson) got going in 1986-87. Sure, Kraftwerk were
producing music which would influence the techno movement, but that
movement only came about because the established form of rap as
originated by DJ Kool Herc and Afrika Bambaataa in the late 1970s was
taken up by the likes of Arthur Baker, Grandmaster Flash and Man
Parrish to create 'Electro'...which took Kraftwerk's sound as their
blueprint. But just because you can hear bits of acid house or the
Orb in early Kraftwerk doesn't mean that Kraftwerk were techno in
1970. And how far back do you want to go? The roots of rap were
acknowledged to be in Jamaican ska DJs 'toasting' over records
they were spinning...and that was the mid-60s!

Without Kraftwerk, there would be no techno, true...but
without hip-hop there would be no techno either. But putting techno
before hip-hop/rap in the development of music is taking big
liberties with the definition of what techno is.

Andy Jackson

: a n d y * j a c k s o n :
: l i b r a r i a n :
: s c h o o l * o f * n u r s i n g * a n d * m i d w i f e r y :
: u n i v e r s i t y * o f * d u n d e e :
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 1956 23:49:43 +0000
From: Ed Blackshaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno chickens vs Hip Hop eggs

On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:03:29 GMT Andy Jackson <[e-mail]> wrote:

# > "Without rap, there would be no techno (or something to that effect)"
# >
# > MAJOR DISCREPENCY MY FRIEND. Tech was here LONG before rap. Check the
# > history.

# Without Kraftwerk, there would be no techno, true...but
# without hip-hop there would be no techno either. But putting techno
# before hip-hop/rap in the development of music is taking big
# liberties with the definition of what techno is.

Just a few points:

1) Rap may have influenced techno, but it works both ways, and techno has
certainly influenced modern rap.

2) Rap may have had its genesis before techno, but that does not necessarily
mean there would be no techno without rap.

3) Do we really give a shit anyway?

4) Does this have any relevance on an Orbital list?  What has rap got to do
with the price of fish?

5) Wibble wibble ptang! ekki!

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:54:40 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Fatboy slim live seattle

Did anyone figure out any of the untitled tracks names?  I would
appreciate it.  As soon as i get them all titled i plan to encode them
properly at a much higher bit rate




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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:46:40 -0500
From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) CMETH

OK OK...I know...sellouts


But does anyone have a C.M. live set from the tour this year recorded? I
would love to trade for it. I have a couple Orbital Boots.

Chris


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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:33:09 -0400
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Live Shite

Ender Wright wrote:
>
> Steve, if your in any contact, and any of
> this is illegal or even rude, shoot me down now.  But with mp3's so
> prevalent now, I say we put them to good use.  I have the hardware,
> software, and supplies to burn cd's of live shows.  If you supply the songs,

Well, technically, it's illegal, because a band might want to release a live CD
and that cuts into profits.  But I think live CDs are just a way to make a quick
buck anyway.  Besides, I don't think Orbital would mind.

The exception is Pearl Jam.  They have publicly announced that all of their live
shows are -legal- to record.  There are even a few MP3s of PJ shows at WinAMP's
site.  While I don't like their music any more, I like the politics they handle,
like live shows and Ticketmaster.

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:46:39 +0100
From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Anyone at Weston Park V99 ????

All,

Just got a freebie invite to V99 on the Saturday...at Weston Park (Staffs).
I am gonna be on my own for the majority of the day as it was one single
ticket freebie. Anyone who spots short haired, skinny young looking (ahem!)
with a pair of green khakis and an "Orbital at Night" t-shirt (black with
white writing and "Are We Here?" on the bottom/back) then come and say
hello...it could be me ;)

No doubt i will be hanging around the arena area (where Orbital etc will be
playing).

THanx

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:25:51 -0400
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 100 Orbital Live Limited CDS to be won at LOOPZ

"Price, Steve A" wrote:
>
> To enter - visit LOOPZ (http://www.loopz.co.uk)
> In celebration of a decade of music from Orbital, the website visitors are
> invited to enter a competition whereby fans can nominate their personal top
> five favourite Orbital tracks played at this summer's live shows. The first
> 100 sets of nominations to be pulled from a very large virtual hat will be
> sent -- absolutely for FREE -- an Orbital digital mega-rarity consisting of
> the 5 live tracks arrived at by popular consensus. Not a CDR but a genuine
> limited run of bonafide compact discs featuring exclusive artwork and
> catalogue number -- each copy will be individually numbered. There will be a
> total of 500 in existance.
> At this stage, the CD looks set to be made up of tracks culled from the
> Steve Lamacq Show's recording of Orbital at the Castle Grounds at Edinburgh
> Festival which is due to be broadcast on Radio One sometime in early
> September.
> Potential entrants are respectfully asked to limit their choices to "Way
> Out"; "Spare Parts Express"; "Impact (The Earth is Burning)"; "Know Where To
> Run"; "Halcyon"; "I Don't Know You People"; "The Box"; "Nothing Left";
> "Style"; "Satan" and "Chime". Enteries that contain tracks not named in

That's cool, but I see quite a few bugs on your sumbittion page.  I'm using
Netscape 4.6.

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:47:10 -0400
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno chickens vs Hip Hop eggs

Andy Jackson wrote:
>
> Without Kraftwerk, there would be no techno, true...but
> without hip-hop there would be no techno either. But putting techno
> before hip-hop/rap in the development of music is taking big
> liberties with the definition of what techno is.

Ummm...without a lot of genres, there wouldn't be techno.  There's a mix of
rock, rap, hiphop, metal, jazz, and a bunch of others in techno.  Why are we
just focusing on Kraftwerk as the pioneers of techno?  Must we forget the
progressive British rock scene in the 70's?  Some of the innovators of new age
sonics like Gong, Alan Parsons Project, Tangerine Dream, Brian Eno, Pink Floyd,
among others.

And on the topic of genres, why is everybody so anti-catagorization?  Without
genres, there wouldn't be techno.  We wouldn't have a name for it.  I'm picky
about genres because if a large group likes/dislikes one type of music and
another large group likes/dislikes another type of music, there should be names
for them.  That's why I think hiphop and rap sub-genres should be better defined
than "popular" and "unpopular" music.

Oh, by the way, the egg came first.  Chickens were a genetic mutation of a
species that look similar to a chicken.

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:07:01 -0400
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) CMETH

Chris Kloehr wrote:
>
> OK OK...I know...sellouts

Damn...must we bash every techno group that gets popular?  First, Fatboy Slim is
considered to be "non-techno" then we start calling Crys Meth "sellouts".
Fatboy Slim -is- techno, and Crystal Method -aren't- sellouts.  If you don't
like them, fine, don't like them.  But don't try to put them in another catagory
just to "purify" your catagorization of the good music you like.  I'm suprised
nobody has started bashing Chem Bros yet.

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:32:57 -0700
From: Jon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 100 Orbital Live Limited CDS to be won at LOOPZ

>
>That's cool, but I see quite a few bugs on your sumbittion page.  I'm using
>Netscape 4.6.
>

is anybody else having a problem with submitting the form? Looks like it
isn't going through to an SMTP server.
Please keep the list informed when the site is fixed.

thanks!





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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:40:26 EDT
From: "Robert Schultz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 100 Orbital Live Limited CDS to be won at LOOPZ

Hey, if you read above the form, it says that you can click on
[e-mail] and just write in your entry. That's what I did.



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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:09:55 -0400
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 100 Orbital Live Limited CDS to be won at LOOPZ

Jon wrote:
>
> >
> >That's cool, but I see quite a few bugs on your sumbittion page.  I'm using
> >Netscape 4.6.
> >

Oh, it's not a problem with the form.  I can do SMTP form submittion just fine.
It's the tables.  The song list is formatted wierd.

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Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:23:02 EDT
From: "Robert Schultz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Paul's thing

Hey, did anyone else see this thing in NME? I just found it today.

http://www.nme.com/festivals/SITK_Orbital.html


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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 02:13:07 +0100
From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) V99 / Australia and New Years Eve :)))))))

All,

Just got back from V99...what a great gig. They keep amending the mixes of
the tracks slightly but sooooooo effective. "Way Out" bass is a lot more
electronic and twangs more (if u know what i mean), "Know Where to Run"s
bass is harder and deeper, "Satan" has the biggest build ive ever known and
the top end is a wall of beautiful noise :) Anyway....i want to get a
bootleg of V99 desperatly but it must have the end of Chime (only because
Paul made a comment towards me).
So if anyone has a bootleg then get in touch....a good trade could be on.

I managed to chat to Paul about tours and stuff. After Brazil you can expect
the boys to visit Australia for a few dates and then New Years Eve they play
a big gig in England. At last i know where i will be on December 31st 1999
:)))))

Email me - [e-mail] if u can get a V99 bootleg.

Thanx

Steve LOOPZ Price
ORbital Zine
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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 07:17:26 -0400
From: DataSquid <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) off for a bit.

On a trip for a week or so.  Cyas.


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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:19:37 -0400
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Paul's thing

Robert Schultz wrote:
>
> Hey, did anyone else see this thing in NME? I just found it today.
>
> http://www.nme.com/festivals/SITK_Orbital.html

Ha!  I didn't realize Orbital played at Lollapaloozer.  I guess there was one
good reason to go to that thing after all.  Of course, this was way back before
I discovered them.

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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 09:25:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Elliot Bancroft <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) RE Leffield : Africa Shox

Anyone wanting to hear the lastest Leftfield Promo
Africa Shox?
Download and then unzip.


http://www.bancrofts.demon.co.uk/fire2.zip

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:00:46 -0500
From: "timmins" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) ORBITAL CHICAGO

I do know who these people are... but these are not email addresses that I
sold the disc to.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=151622012 (Today??)

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=148377577 (Closed)

I guarantee you will receive from me, I don't know who these people are.
Remember, $20 compared to $50? Hah.


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