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orbital-digest         Thursday, July 8 1999         Volume 02 : Number 217




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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 20:03:24 -0400
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long)

Patrick McGinn wrote:
>
> Hey there big guy...  Try flipping on to 88.1fm fridays at nine.  If I
> remember, that's when Dan Owens (DJ cosmic) does a D&B show on WRFL - Radio
> Free Lexington, UK's radio station.  (For people who don't live in Kentucky,
> UK = University of Kentucky, not United Kingdom.)  If you think good music
> never gets played on the radio, find a college station to listen to.  It's
> the only place to hear independant, inovative music.

Damn!  I don't have it.  What's U of L's radio station?  I'm in Louisville.

> You're going backwards here...  Bigbeat becomes popular because it is the
> closest form of electronic music to readily accepted genres (hiphop +
> rock&roll.)  But really, it's not...  It's too simple.  I don't know how you
> could possibly think that a fatboy slim song is more complex than something
> by (your example) Roni Size.  My only guess is you don't know how these
> records are made, or are mistaking a big, fat sound for a complex sound.  If
> you want to hear complexity, check out Autechre's Tri Repetae++.  Or, if you
> want to hear complexity and scare your cat, check out Farmer's Manual -
> Fsck.

Fsck?  Hahaha...file system check?  What kind of music?  (And I really need to
look at Autechre.)

BTW, FBS is more complex than you think, like Kalifornia or Acid 8000.  Plus,
everybody forgets that half of composing techno music is the choice of
instruments and sounds and the mixing of those instrument riffs.  Now, I think
Chemical Brothers has more talent, but I still like Fatboy Slim.  Also, by
saying complex, are you talking about just the beat or the whole song?  Yeah,
the beat in most bigbeats are repetive with variations through.  Beat is a major
player in bigbeat, but it's not the only thing, like most D&B and Jungle.

> > > Try "This is Jungle Sky Volume I"....it is an I N C R E D I B L E
> > > album...lots of good Jungle (not really any pure DnB (too many other
> > > samples, instruments etc...just classic Jungle)
> >
> > Hmmmm...I'll look into it.
>
> I'd like to add, the Jungly Sky stuff is american, put out by Liquid
> Sky/OSSOM, a label/record store in NYC.  Also, for some good
> D&B/Gabber/everything, check out Vinyl Communications, a US based label that
> sells their stuff wicked cheap through mailorder.  www.vinylcomm.com.  It's
> all professionally done, too (no CDRs, even though the full releases are
> only 10 bucks.)

I just listened to some clips of Jungle Sky and it sounds like mostly just
drums.  Yes, the drums are really good, but there's almost no other stuff with
it.  The drums are too much in the foreground.  Wait a minute...then why do I
love BBS's An Owl so much?

Lemme think...ahhh, it's the type of drum.  It's the same in all of the songs.
That short, tinny snare hit.  In fact, every jungle song I've ever heard uses
that same drum sound.  It's like it's just a universally known thing.  Why is
that?  Why don't jungle guys try out another drum sound?  I think it would be an
improvement to the entire genre if they tried out some other sounds for drums.
There are so many other percussion instruments out there.

> Also, check out www.toshoklabs.com for some GREAT american releases.
> They've put out two CDs so far, one of which I have, and the other I want
> badly.  The site has MP3's for Jack Russel & Lou Frutiger's Nanofunk EP, and
> RA for the "Dated" compilation.

What type of music?

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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 19:30:05 -0500
From: Don Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Hey ALL (Chicago concert)

Hey all,
             This is Don Thompson (I was formely signed onto this list
as [e-mail] before my computer crashed). Well, just like
to say that I'm back and I also attended the CST in Chicago with my good
friend Brandon. It was killer, snuck in early during sound check and met
Paul, he even videotaped us!!! HEY Steve!!! Think you could ask him
about this videotape and maybe get me a copy???? That'd be killer. Well,
after that we saw him again later, when I got my original Satan EP
signed by both Paul and Phil. This was too good to be true. I got some
nice pictures with Paul too. Then I was able to sneak my camera into the
concert, so hopefully I'll have some nice pics to send to Loopz when I
get them developed. Well, just like to say hey to all the people I met
at the concert : Brenden, Mehul, Josh, Maggie....I think that wraps it
up. It was cool talking and hanging with you during the best night of my
life. BTW : I was wearing the New Age Travelers shirt w/ a red Seattle
Mariners hat. Well, feel free to drop me a line.....and hello again to
everyone on the list!!

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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 20:40:33 -0400
From: "Dr. Funkenstein" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Rebuttal about Crys Meth, breakbeat, etc. (very long)

>into the 70's US rock scene.  Most of my 70's music is British.  (Learned it
>from my parents.)  The US stuff was either too "hair-bandish" or too

You named a lot of old stuff so I did too...I can name more recent stuff if
you want (Live, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, NIN, Metallica, etc)

>blues, so...  Hip hop is not saying much except for the invention of record
>stratching and trip hop.

Well, that was a nice writeoff of an entire culture.  Just because Ja Rule
and Snoop Dogg are on MTV yelling about money and bitches and shit that's
no reason to put down a huge group of people.  There is a lot more to
hiphop than you know.  Hiphop is more than just music: it's graffiti art
(and please don't say that graffiti is crappy scibbling on a wall...look at
http://www.graffiti.org for awhile and you'll see why), it's the music of a
culture that's been devastated by drugs violence internal strife and
prejudice, it's people who have risen above that, it's regular people
regular daily shit, it's happiness and sadness, it's it's an attitude, an
artform, a group of people, a soul, etc.  It's about people expressing
themselves and the way they see culture today.  Don't you dare write off
hiphop as not much before you know something about it besides what you see
on MTV.  Only closed minded people dismiss how a huge group of people sees
our society today so quickly...don't fall into that trap.

>IOW, club music, right?

I don't want to agree with that because house isn't only good when you hear
it at a club.  It's great high energy music that you can listen to just
like any form of music (providing you get good house).  However, it is
popular as "club music" because it's very very danceable and created to be
so.  House is different than "Ace of Base" and the "Sprice Girls" though...


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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 20:46:20 -0400
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Hey ALL (Chicago concert)

Don Thompson wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>              This is Don Thompson (I was formely signed onto this list
> as [e-mail] before my computer crashed). Well, just like
> to say that I'm back and I also attended the CST in Chicago with my good
> friend Brandon. It was killer, snuck in early during sound check and met
> Paul, he even videotaped us!!! HEY Steve!!! Think you could ask him
> about this videotape and maybe get me a copy???? That'd be killer. Well,
> after that we saw him again later, when I got my original Satan EP
> signed by both Paul and Phil. This was too good to be true. I got some
> nice pictures with Paul too. Then I was able to sneak my camera into the
> concert, so hopefully I'll have some nice pics to send to Loopz when I
> get them developed. Well, just like to say hey to all the people I met
> at the concert : Brenden, Mehul, Josh, Maggie....I think that wraps it
> up. It was cool talking and hanging with you during the best night of my
> life. BTW : I was wearing the New Age Travelers shirt w/ a red Seattle
> Mariners hat. Well, feel free to drop me a line.....and hello again to
> everyone on the list!!

Ahhh...there you are.  How goes it?  Anyway, do you have a scanner to scan those
pictures with?  If anything, I think your local Kinko's can scan them.

BTW, my MoN is autographed by Micky Mann and yours isn't, so :■ (j/k)

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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 20:49:25 -0400
From: "Dr. Funkenstein" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re:  breakbeat

>sampled breaks and dnb = programmed breaks. Also dnb is more like

Yea, I would agree with that.

>I should say that a lot of people into jungle get pissed when you
>try and split it up, because really jungle = dnb. I've heard a lot of

Good point, it should definitely be noted that the majority of people take
the two terms to mean exactly the same thing.  However, I like the
distinction better.

>from T Power (mutant jazz, man machine, chasin' a dream, first

Droooool, track 1 on Jungle Sky I (Mutant Jazz)...Off the hook.  I have
wanted to get more T-Power for a long time but I can never locate his stuff
(very hard to find).
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 20:51:45 -0400
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: Hiphop and House stuff

"Dr. Funkenstein" wrote:
>
> Well, that was a nice writeoff of an entire culture.  Just because Ja Rule
> and Snoop Dogg are on MTV yelling about money and bitches and shit that's
> no reason to put down a huge group of people.  There is a lot more to
> hiphop than you know.  Hiphop is more than just music: it's graffiti art
> (and please don't say that graffiti is crappy scibbling on a wall...look at
> http://www.graffiti.org for awhile and you'll see why), it's the music of a
> culture that's been devastated by drugs violence internal strife and
> prejudice, it's people who have risen above that, it's regular people
> regular daily shit, it's happiness and sadness, it's it's an attitude, an
> artform, a group of people, a soul, etc.  It's about people expressing
> themselves and the way they see culture today.  Don't you dare write off
> hiphop as not much before you know something about it besides what you see
> on MTV.  Only closed minded people dismiss how a huge group of people sees
> our society today so quickly...don't fall into that trap.

Ok, I'm not going to get into that...  I really only listen to music because of
the music, not the lyrics or the reason the music was written.

> I don't want to agree with that because house isn't only good when you hear
> it at a club.  It's great high energy music that you can listen to just
> like any form of music (providing you get good house).  However, it is
> popular as "club music" because it's very very danceable and created to be
> so.  House is different than "Ace of Base" and the "Sprice Girls" though...

Oh, I never intended to compare it to any of that eurotrash.

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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 20:03:58 -0500
From: Sean Granger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) DJ Mixes..... PS> Chicago

Expeditions is unbelievable. From what I hear with the "cdnow" comment, Im going to assume you got the domestic version.... thats toooooo bad.... track seven on uk version is the most unbelievable mix of Deleriums "Silence". Anyway... the more and more I venture into house, trance......etc I find myself drawn to house more and more, and I dont even dance to it when Im listening.... am i going insane?!?!? this is coming from one with a mad collection of jungle and dn'b...

I guess it's just all about the beat for me.... :D~~~

later,
granger

P.S> Im extremely sorry I missed the Chicago show, especially since it's like 20 minutes from me :( My car got totalled last Sunday and I have yet to find a replacement.

Skip Acuff:
>Couldn't resist passing on these thoughts:
>
>1.  Have you heard Sasha's "Belfunk" track on the S&D Northern Exposure
>Expeditions album?  It's his remix of Belfast.
>
>2.  If you like S&D's mix cds, hurry over to CD Now to order Seb
>Fontaine's double cd Prototype.  Disc one is trancy hard techno, disc
>two (my fave) is glorious, state of the art melodic hard trance.  IMO it
>is 1999's best release so far in this genre.   Many Orbital fans will
>love this album.
>



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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:25:28 -0400
From: Marc Sawaya <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) I want to write something.

> Sometimes, when I'm walking at the streets or travelling in a bus, I
> remember
> some parts of Adnan's or The Box and imagine how can I can interpretate
> that, in
> images. Is so exciting and oh, my God, I have a lot of things I want to
> do and
> to contribute with my two cents to the Hartnoll's culture.
>

I, for one, would love to see any work done with computer graphics that Orbital
has inspired you to do!  Maybe the brothers would too.  Oh, and I was wondering
what started the whole music and language post.  Was that just on your mind, or
is there some posting that I didn't read?

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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 21:56:18 -0400
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Instruments, in relation to techno

I was listening to the Autechre RA clips on CDNow, but I wasn't really getting
into it.  It's wasn't the composition.  In fact, the composition is great.  But,
it was the instruments.  I dunno...they were the same type of instruments you
hear in stuff by Photek or Kraftwerk.  Short and almost too artificial.

All this theorizing about instruments got me thinking.  I've never really
analyzed what instruments I like.  Every artist has their "set" of instruments.
They may add others or use another set, but they are always of the same style.
For example:

Orbital - Strings, keyboards, drums, orchestrial, conventional, female vocals
Chem Bros - Rock instruments, drum loops, alarms, flanged synths, vocal clips
u-Ziq - Mellow/warm synths, drum breaks, strings
A440 (Stealth) - Electronic orchestrial, female vocals, various percussion
Underworld - Distored synths, drum loops, warm synths, robotic vocals

Of course, you got most of Jungle, which uses that same snare drum with various
other instruments in the b/g.  William Orbit, admittedly, has a limited set of
instruments he uses, but I really like what he does use.  Ambient groups like
FSoL and The Orb use anything that echos well.

So, what the hell is the point of this post?  I'm not really sure.  I was just
really bothered that I couldn't get into some of these forms of music just
because of the instrument set, yet I know they're really good.  Am I stuck on
just music with the right synths and percussions?  Could I get used to those
other instrument sets?  Did I always like techno, or did I have to get used to
the strange instruments first?

Sorry...I'm rambling...

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Listening to u-Ziq's Lunatic Harness (and wondering why I don't play this album
more often; I should).


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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 17:21:04 -0400
From: Kel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) A Little Points On Particular Things

Once upon a letter, Aimee Couture wrote:

> > What's PLUR?  (No dots...modern English rule.)
> peace, love, unity, respect

While we touched on the acronyms here, I've been picking up a lot of
flyers recently that say "R.O.A.R. in full effect", usually right
alongside PLUR. Anyone know what's going on with that? I've never seen
it until maybe last month. Just wondering...

... and if you thought this would be an addition to the gargantuan
thread, I just like to watch the flames fly (^.^) Read morpheus' letter
from earlier today, though, since he basically said everything I wanted
to say ;) Cheers, dude.

- - KEL
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:44:12 -0400
From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) A Little Points On Particular Things

roar means right of admission refusal
as in even if you've paid for a ticket they don't have to let you in
and you won't get your money back

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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:56:33 -0600
From: Chris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Moby vs. anything else

techno instrument?  what the fuck is a "techno instrument"?  must someone
use certain pre-set instruments/sounds in order for their music to be called
techno? if so, who determines what these sounds/instruments must be? you
really should keep things like that too yourself cause it doesn't make you
sound too smart.

>I'm listening to EiW now.  Ugh!  This second song sucks ass!  The guy sounds
>like all he does is find some clips from different albums and puts them in.
And
>the clips aren't even good.  Feeling So Good has a very common (and overused)
>D&B clip played over and over with a eurotrash crowd going up and down and up
>and down and boring and ugh...  What's techno about this anyway?  There are no
>techno instruments at all.  I could go to hornet.org and grab any PoS XM/IT.
>(Note: there are some really good XM/IT musicians, but 90% of hornet.org is
>crap.)

note:  ambient is composed almost entirely of experimental/unfinished tracks
that were released by his record label at the time without informing him
that they released it.

>First song: My Beautiful Blue Sky.  A string.  Congas.  Another string.
>Everything is so simplfied, as if he was practicing on his keyboard and was
>doing a cute little diddy.  Blah.  Next.
>



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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:06:31 -0400
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Moby vs. anything else

Chris wrote:
>
> techno instrument?  what the fuck is a "techno instrument"?  must someone
> use certain pre-set instruments/sounds in order for their music to be called
> techno? if so, who determines what these sounds/instruments must be? you
> really should keep things like that too yourself cause it doesn't make you
> sound too smart.

A synth, a Korg/808 instrument, a computerized noise.  Part of the whole techno
genre is the use of new and creative sounds.

> note:  ambient is composed almost entirely of experimental/unfinished tracks
> that were released by his record label at the time without informing him
> that they released it.

Well, that actually explains a lot.

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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 23:27:26 -0500
From: Marc Sawaya <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Moby in the New York Times Sunday Magazine

    There was an interview w/ Moby in last Sunday's New York Times Magazine (with
Stanley Kubrick on the cover).  It was pretty neat.  Did you know that Moby is 33?
He seems like a smart, intelligent guy.  I'm surprised Orbital and he have not done
more work together.

    Which brings me to my point = ).  Speed Freak- I love the song, and I'm
assuming it's an Orbital song that Moby remixed for the first album.  If this is
the case, has anyone ever heard the original version?  If that's not the case, then
what is?

                                                                            -Marc
Sawaya

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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:26:49 -0400
From: Dan Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Adding to the flood

I'll catch up on the posts one of these days....

But for now I'll just add to the flood and post a quick message about
the Detroit show I attended last night.

Low Fi AllStars:  Who?  Hadn't heard before, may grab an mp3 or so now,
not planning on hearing again.  Through most of the set I just kept
wondering if the bassist (did he ever actually play that thing?) was the
lead guy from that movie last year Can't Hardly Wait.  And the vocal,
scratch guy who spent a good part of the set hunched over some of his
gear a little bid backstage, apparently humping it.  It was eerie.  I
held in some boos, didn't want to start anything.  No need to piss on
others because I get wacked with some nice virus in time with the
concert.

C.Meth:  Held my breath here again.  The blinding was an interesting
touch.  I guess they need to evoke a crowd reaction somehow, and if
45x10^6 Watts of strobing light are needed, dammit, than it's 45x10^6
it'll be.  And then some.  The dark haired guy was gettin pretty odd
with one of his keyboards near the end of the set, during Keep Hope
Alive.  I thought it was a massive attack of pity and self loathing
myself, but I could be wrong.  However, after the nicely reworked Busy
Child at the end he did mention something along the lines of 'thanks a
lot, it really means a lot to me,' despite the fact I thought the crowd
was less than totally ripping with appreciation.  Maybe that's just how
they show it in the States.  Maybe crowds don't even move in LA or where
ever the Meth guys are from.  Anyway, made me happy I had shut up.  I
was worried he would have cried.

Orbital:  Unsta.  Wow, great.  Setlist seemed to match perfectly with
what had been posted from the July 4th show.  Great set too.  The only
addition I would have made would have been TGWTSIHH.  I'd have loved to
have got groovin to that one, but as it was the place was a little
packed anyway, and a little oopsy on my bike on monday pretty much cost
me the use of my right leg.  What can ya do.  Anyway, the crowd seemed
to be into it (are people just lazy?  Introverted?  At the wrong venue?=20
I dunno, I see nutty crowds at the smallest concerts over here) although
not wild.  I'm now putting my left nut up for trade for a bootleg of
this set, especially Detroit.
P&P were right into it, and seemed to be enjoying the show more than
most.  Love to see acts who enjoy their work.  The cow was present.=20
Their headgear seems to have a pretty low active life, Phil had to do a
hot swap after one torch went, and Paul lost one right at the end.  I
was thinking to myself 'huck it into the crowd, and aim waaaaaaaay back
to me.'  Also some roadie ran out about 3 times to jack with some cables
on one of Phils small mixers.  He cut the feed for about a second at one
point.  Nice.  MMMMMM, oh yeah, and some nice feedback cut in at the end
of a track, nice low hum, and I was hoping it was the start of The Box,
nice and sinister and low.  People seemed to like it.  Phil thought it
was interesting as well and made the comment that 'it's their music, not
ours,' referring to the mixing booth.

Great venue.  I didn't have to break a hip trying to kick my own ass for
wearing jeans.   Nicely air conditioned ;)  And no seats.  Decent staff
who let us take the posters from the walls.  I got one of the big
silver/yellow ones.  Oh yeah, gotta like that.

I enjoyed the DJ, wherever he was.  He played one track that I've been
trying to get for months.  It's driving me nuts.  It has a really cool
almost siren like sound in it.  I'll never find that....

And of course I have to thank Scott again for the ride.  I don't think
things could have worked out any better.

And we all felt a little sorry for Aim=E8e, who couldn't make it.

Oh, and the best thing?  Not one whistle was blown all night ;)

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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:42:03 -0400
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Moby in the New York Times Sunday Magazine

Marc Sawaya wrote:
>
>     There was an interview w/ Moby in last Sunday's New York Times Magazine
> (with Stanley Kubrick on the cover).  It was pretty neat.  Did you know that
> Moby is 33?  He seems like a smart, intelligent guy.  I'm surprised Orbital
> and he have not done more work together.

Maybe Orbital learned their lesson and will never work with them again.  BTW,
dumb little factoid I found out about him: Moby is a direct descendant of Moby
Dick author Herman Meville, hence the name.

>     Which brings me to my point = ).  Speed Freak- I love the song, and I'm
> assuming it's an Orbital song that Moby remixed for the first album.  If this
> is the case, has anyone ever heard the original version?  If that's not the
> case, then what is?

Speed Freak is on the original import.  Don't have it, so I don't know what it
sounds like.  I just remember skipping over the Moby remix at various times.

(Why do all the Moby fans come here?)

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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 01:29:55 -0500
From: "[:::Daniel A.J.Ramirez Centurion__owo*auf:::]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) ::::My  Orbital's grafix xperience::::

Marc Sawaya wrote:

> I, for one, would love to see any work done with computer graphics that Orbital
> has inspired you to do!  Maybe the brothers would too.

Oh boy!. Thanx for ask!. Just click here:

http://www.sueter.net

or pick-up this Hartnoll's influence :

http://www.sueter.net/materia/owo/owo_1.htm

All the grafix and tomatoes, ...by me.

BTW, WWW.SUETER.NET is kinda monthly e-zine some guys from here in Chile
are
working on with some help from kewl people at Singapore, US and
Australia.

I'm in charge of the orbitals' graphic design : )   & webmaster
'ketchup'.

Mr.Robert Schultz from Boston -who I contact through this list- is going
to help us
in the next version of sueter with an interesting article about Orbital.

We're going to make a bIg party this saturday in a incredible
club/discotheque here
in Santiago, Chile called "Arte Matta" and we're expecting about 4500 -
5000 guys
rocking at the disco with the local dj's we're showing. I design the
flyers and
posters too. We're going to rec the event with some handycams/cameras
and 'we're
planning to upload it to the next version of sueter in real video format
at August,
edited.
We're planning to make a great concert at November also and to bring
some kewl Dj's
from Europe and US.

:::::::For more info, please send me a personal message.:::::::

Of course, everybody is welcome to help us in sueter !, in fact we need
you!

: )

About my graphic experience, you can visit my old website too. Is like
my bathroom
now, 'cause I'm currently working all day in sueter.net, but just in
case, here is
the url:

http://members.tripod.com/design_76





Sorry if my english sounds 'freak. I speak spanish actually.

Thank you.




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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:40:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brandon Invergo <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) holy wow

ah, yet another one from the king of long posts!

jeez, settle down people.  first of all, opinions are
opinions.  personally, i could do without crystal
method, chemical bros, etc., but that doesn't mean i'd
go bashing anyone who does.  note: their popularity or
their "sold-out" quality isn't what makes me dislike
them.  it's just that my musical tastes have moved on
(i did once like both of those bands, even when they
were "sold-out," being played on Q101 every day).
it's also not right to bash someone's intelligence for
their musical preferences (this reaches back to the AE
thread).  okay, i'll stop with the morals speach.

as for musical genres, i've tried fitting stuff into
little categories, but i started losing sleep over it.
 "oh shit! is photek jungle or d'n'b?  what's
orbital??? older stuff sounds kinda like trance,
maybe, but the newer stuff has beats that are
sometimes similar to bigbeat.  oh shit!!!
Autechre?!?!?!"  anywho, i've kinda thrown that
practice out the window.  for anyone who's curious,
bored, and wants to know my way of thinking, i've
kinda come up with my own way of describing music
recently.  it's pretty simple really: on top, there's
the major categories: rock, techno, etc.  ill skip
everything but techno right now.  i define (this is
all my opinion, don't singe my eyebrows off with
flames from this innoscent comment) techno as anything
made primarily with, but not limited to, for lack of a
better phrase, "button-pushing, knob-twiddling"
things.  you know what i'm talking about: keyboards,
samplers, drum machines, 303/808, etc.  from there i
just kinda describe stuff by how complex their beats
are (simple, repetative 4/4; stuff that sounds like it
could be played on a standard drum set like chem. bros
etc.; stuff like that.)  then i just clasify it as
either synthetic sounding or organic (or natural)
sounding (don't ask about the choice of words...it
came late at night while out with friends).  on the
synthetic side of the spectrum would be autechre's
LP5, while on the organic/natural side would be some
of the stuff on FSOL's Lifeforms (LP).  i don't know
why i'm saying all of this.  i think it's just to say
that most techno bands are so different from each
other that it's impossible to clump any amount of them
into a group.  each band (or should i call it a group?
this could bring up more arguments) has it's unique
sound.  it just happens to be that a lot of the groups
that are similar to one particular sound usually make
it to the abhorred "mainstream."  nobody's an expert
on anything, so no one on the list has any right to
question anyone else's intellectual prowress because
they think of music genres differently.

Hit me!!!

brandon



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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:40:41 -0700
From: "Shaun Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Moby in the New York Times Sunday Magazine

> (Why do all the Moby fans come here?)

Don't know, but Moby is the ONLY other electronic artist I will buy anything
I can get my hands on.  I don't think it's fair of you to judge him on two
cds because, like any Moby fan will tell you, every cd is totally different.
I think that's what makes him so brilliant.  You never know what you're
gonna get from him, but you're sure it'll be quality.

Play is the best damn Moby cd I've ever heard.  But since you like Orbital,
I think the Move EP would be better.. but Everything is Wrong Mixed and
Remixed is excellent as well.  I don't understand how anyone can hate such a
talent.

BTW the two Moby cds you do have are great as well so maybe you shouldn't
try his other stuff.

Back to lurk mode.




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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:52:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mehul Parekh I <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) to brandon/don/maggie/trym/all of you people

******2 IMPORTANT PIECES OF BUSINESS BEFORE THE MESSAGE STARTS******
1)  Does anyone have the Chicago concert recorded?  cd, tape, md?  As
long as you can transfer it on cd, I am all cool with that.  Please,
e-mail privately.  Steve, I talked to Paul and he said he was cool with
me getting it on cd.  He only smiled and said that my copy wouldn't be as
good as his. True, but at least I will have a copy of it.
2)  During my extensive talk with Paul (all of 45 minutes), I asked him
about a live album (we all want one), and what the odds of releasing one
were.  Paul said that they would decide based on how well Underworld did
upon releasing their live album.  Well, I think we know what this means.
Be sure to snatch up a copy for yourself.  Need a gift for that special
someone, or your parents or newborn cousin?  Give the gift of
Underworld's new live album when it comes out.  Loved and cheered on by
all the fans that went to the shows that were recorded on the cd(s).
Your friends will love you, your parents will respect you, you will be
showered by praises and be adored throughout your family.  So, do it if
you want a Orbital live album!
...and now, the e-mail...
Oh where do I start?  The last 3 days I've been trying to catch up with
my e-mail and just during the last hour my computer froze 3 times.  Damn
it!  and I still wasn't done reading these posts about how someone is
"stupid" or not cool enough or weird for listening to what they do.
Maybe we didn't learn our lesson from the autechere flame fight and all
the flame fights before that.  Yes, I am quite aware that I do have the
delete function as well as filters (trust me, I deleted more e-mail
without reading it today than I have in a long time).  But, for orbital's
sake (hey, no rule says I can't take Orbital's name in vain), please
don't condescend others based on their music tastes.  It just pisses them
off and then pisses you off.
Brendan (sp??), you are great.  You come from a wide background of music.
 And all the cds you have entitle you to your opinions...and a good
knowledge base.  But never feel the need to put it in words.  And please,
do not "DARE" others to say that a certain band is good or bad.  Yes, (AJ
I am with you), Moby is good.  He has his really good cuts and songs and
so do Chemical brothers, but I haven't and probably will not get 'Play',
nor will I get 'Surrender', unless of course I find a coupon to get it
for almost free.  Moby is good in his rights and so are the chemical
brothers. They are obviously different styles of music.  And Moby's
'ambient' stuff is very nice to just really relax to...kinda like white
noise.  you may even forget it's there.  (check out voodoo child).  The
point is, music is music, I will never understand country music fans, but
they are there, and for all intents and purposes, they feel that Garth
Brooks (for example) is more talented than Orbital.  I would kindly
disagree, but who's to stop them from thinking the way they do?  I think
you need to accept that other people like what they like and not everyone
agrees with you.  I do NOT like Autechere, but you will never see me bad
mouth them or pass them off as an insignificant band.  Hey, if you like
Autechre, god bless you...do you like orbital?  great.  i don't mean to
prophesize, but lets keep the postings to informative only and not start
any fights...it's really not worth it.  And, can we please go a little
easy on the whole profanity deal?  i am very glad to learn that you can
swear.  So do I, but lets try to keep this just a little tame.
don...my man, you gotta hook me up with some pics.  let me know how much
it would be for copies, and I will happily buy them from you.  very nice
to hear from you.
maggie...i want to say I remember exactly who you are, but I am not going
to blow it and confuse you with someone else, so let me ask you this.
Were you with another girl?  Were you towards the right side of center
stage?  Did you get really mad at an irish (nationality??) guy?  let me
know.
and lastly, trym...do you still live in norway?  if so, or if not, please
send me your address, i have something to send your way.
geez, every time i hear the beginning to way out ->, I am transported to
the second row of the congress theatre, surrounded by a beautiful group
of people (all orbital fans), and 2 hartnolls making the worlds greatest
music.  And why is no one else writing about the other shows?  fine, just
write to me.  i want to know how people's experiences were.  if they
met/talked to the brothers.  Hey, if someone does talk to Paul or Phil,
can someone else ask about the voice at the end of the box?  i know it's
old, but, its still worth it.
Thanks for listening everyone, and sorry if this wasted your mailbox.
oh all right, if you must, go ahead and flame me.

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