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orbital-digest          Tuesday, July 6 1999          Volume 02 : Number 212




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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:43:53 +0100
From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Someone tell the communityservicetour website whats what!!!!!

>Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:54:33 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Mehul Parekh I <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (orbital) chat with orbital
>
>Hey:
>They didn't list Loopz's site as the official site for Orbital!  What up?

yes...i have emailed him over and over again. His first reply was
understandable...why should i believe you. But even after mentioning the
www.londonrecords.co.uk website listing LOOPZ as the Official website and
the Nothing Left cds/12 inch both list LOOPZ on the back of the sleeve....he
still doesnt link the website (and i dont get any replies).

If anyone wants to hassle him (email - [e-mail])
then please be my guest...i have given up :)

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 23:10:12 +0200
From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Someone tell the communityservicetour website whats what!!!!!

Steve Price wrote:
> yes...i have emailed him over and over again. His first reply was
> understandable...why should i believe you. But even after mentioning the
> www.londonrecords.co.uk website listing LOOPZ as the Official website and
> the Nothing Left cds/12 inch both list LOOPZ on the back of the sleeve....he
> still doesnt link the website (and i dont get any replies).

Well Steve, if the community service tour Webmaster doesn't believe
you, why should we? This could be a trick... u want to deceive us all!

:)

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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 14:40:41 -0700
From: Matthew Ford <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Someone tell the communityservicetour website whats  what!!!!!

I know Ill hassle today....MATT FORD STYLE!
You know, its not bad enough I have to sit through Crystal Meth and LoFi just to
see Orbital, but they(the tour organisers) cant even give Orbital respect on the
webpage.

Thats America...

:)

.matthewford.

"Price, Steve A" wrote:

> yes...i have emailed him over and over again. His first reply was
> understandable...why should i believe you. But even after mentioning the
> www.londonrecords.co.uk website listing LOOPZ as the Official website and
> the Nothing Left cds/12 inch both list LOOPZ on the back of the sleeve....he
> still doesnt link the website (and i dont get any replies).
>
> If anyone wants to hassle him (email - [e-mail])
> then please be my guest...i have given up :)





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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 22:47:29 +0100
From: Reece H <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) chicago july 4th

yeah, a fresian, odd, huh? can someone ask about that?

>ps.  anybody else notice the cow that was sitting on their equipment?




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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 22:44:24 +0100
From: Steve <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Fw: website omission

Well, I sent the email below to the communityservicetour webmaster...

Maybe they'd get the hint if a few others pointed their mistake out? :)

Steve


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 From: Steve <[e-mail]>
 To: [e-mail]
 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 21:55:58 +0100
 Subject: website omission
- --

Hi,

Couldn't help but notice your glaring omission ... the official Orbital
website is missing from your page:
http://www.communityservicetour.com/bands/index.html

You can find it here:
http://www.loopz.co.uk

Cheers,
Steve.


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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 16:52:58 PDT
From: Juno Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) July 4th

  I know that this will sound like a bland and obvious question, but were
there any kick-ass fireworks at the show ? I know that the local shows
around my city sucked total dick.

  Also, I noticed something ironic on MTV US. On "Amp", they played Crystal
Meth, Orbital, and Lo-Fi videos all in a row. Then they showed "The Box"
video. Took fucking long enough for "Style" to be shown over here !!!! It
was funny because they omitted FFRR and Sire from the titles, only giving
credit to London.

Steve, do you know there if there will ever be an official video or DVD
compilation coming out soon ? If not, would you PLEASE suggest it ?

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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 17:54:43 PDT
From: kulsoom a <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) July 4th

I was wondering if anyone on this list is going to the atlanta, ga show on
July 14th?

Thanks,
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:34:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mehul Parekh I <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) i think i am a changed man

Wow, that was a good weekend.  Or just one great day.  Oh, this is long.
After getting to the show, I began my task of finding Shannon Campbell
(what happened, man?) and other Orbital fans, oh yeah, and Paul and Phil.
 I stumbled upon 2 individuals (one wearing the Digger shirt and the
other wearing the green Orbital shirt)...Brandon Invergo, and...I forget
his name.  They tell me about how Orbital's been walking around and they
got signatures.  So, I went to "Orbital headquarters" and asked a guy
(the tour manager for Orbital!) if he had seen Paul or Phil.  He took me
to the bus and walked in...closing the door behind him, DAMN!  and when
it opened, I expected, "no, not in"...but out came Phil!  Hell yes.
Let's just say, never have anything memorized that you want to ask
because you will forget.  So, I got all this stuff signed...for myself
and a certain unlisted party (dont spoil it brandon), but all by Phil.
Took some pictures, discussed the new album, the show, etc.  Paul was
napping, and I was instructed to come back after the show!
The show was great, hell, incredible.  I have never had so much fun ever.
 If anyone's never seen Orbital live, you are missing out on more than
you know.  They do more than just twiddle knobs.  The video show, Phil
dancing around, the headlights.  DAMN!  Oh, they confiscated my camera
till the end of the show!  Bastards!
After the show, I went out again to wait on Paul...because Phil had
instructed me so.  Well, it wasn't easy.  Security (hate those bastards)
think they can intimidate me because they are bigger than me, well, they
do but they shouldn't!  Pricks!  Brandon, you left too early!  You could
have just hung around.  I just went back and talked to the tour mgr again
and explained my story, waited unfortunately till 2:15 am, and finally
out came Paul...all by himself, just happy to see me because I had waited
so damn long.  A hour and 15 minutes after the show ended.  He signed the
rest of the stuff, took some cool pictures.  He even drew that thing that
was listed on the Orbital mailing list.  You remeber that image done by
Paul...'his inner self'.  Right on my MON import cover!  And then we
talked for 45 minutes...the stuff in parentheses are the words of Paul.
We talked about everything, the new album (September 2000...maybe (he
wanted me to stress that), the style of it (more cheeky than MON...more,
may I say, Style-ish), Star Wars, Dr. Who and the robot killers on the
show...I cant remember the name of them, but I'been told to go check them
out, the tour (no other tours in the US after this one until the next
album), old hits (Belfast will be played on the next tour, damn it!),
loopz's site, his Internet novice-ness, just random stuff, the Visit (no
way, maybe it will be a bootleg in 20 years), the new tv show soundtrack
(they are contributing 40 minutes to it, I've been told to check with
loopz on that one).  It was soooo cool.  Paul is so cool, and chilled
out.  He just goes on and on about anything that comes up, and then talks
more.  Phil was really cool too, but he is a little more quiet than Paul.
Overall, the weekend was fabulous.  I saw the greatest show ever, I
talked to, shook hands with, took pictures with, and got stuff signed by
my most favorite band.  Thanks Paul and Phil for all the great music I
make and being the modest people to appreciate your fan club.
thanks for reading.

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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 20:50:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brandon Invergo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) i think i am a changed man

god damn it all to hell!  oh well...i still met them,
that's good enough.  although i would have liked to
talked for 45 minutes.

damn
brandon


>  Brandon, you left
> too early!  You could
> have just hung around.  I just went back and talked
> to the tour mgr again
> and explained my story, waited unfortunately till
> 2:15 am, and finally
> out came Paul...all by himself, just happy to see me
> because I had waited
> so damn long.  A hour and 15 minutes after the show
> ended.  He signed the
> rest of the stuff, took some cool pictures.  He even
> drew that thing that
> was listed on the Orbital mailing list.  You remeber
> that image done by
> Paul...'his inner self'.  Right on my MON import
> cover!  And then we
> talked for 45 minutes...
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 21:08:00 PDT
From: Juno Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Kraftwerk & Orbital

     Maybe it's just me, but the new Kraftwerk song , a.k.a. "Tango"
(played next to "Airwaves" at mostly all of the comeback shows during '98),
reminds a bit of Orbital's "The Sinner".

    What do you guys think ? I know that Orbital has said that they have KW
influences. I love 'em both to death. And they both have kick-ass live shows
with tremendous visuals (I've only heard about Orbital's shows; I have to
wait until July 24th to see them).


Tracks np: Kraftwerk- Technopop (1983 demo version)
           Nirvana- Bambi Kill Slaughter
           OMD vs. Sash- Enola Gay
           Photoelectric Emission- Full Metal (Over and Out)


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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 21:13:44 -0700
From: Matthew Ford <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Kraftwerk & Orbital

How did you learn the name of this track?  It wasnt released yet was it?

.matthewford.

Juno Jackson wrote:

>      Maybe it's just me, but the new Kraftwerk song , a.k.a. "Tango"
> (played next to "Airwaves" at mostly all of the comeback shows during '98),
> reminds a bit of Orbital's "The Sinner".
>
>     What do you guys think ? I know that Orbital has said that they have KW
> influences. I love 'em both to death. And they both have kick-ass live shows
> with tremendous visuals (I've only heard about Orbital's shows; I have to
> wait until July 24th to see them).



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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 21:15:05 -0700
From: Matthew Ford <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Question To Those Who Have Already Seen Orbital On The Comm Service Tour

When did Orbital go on?  Were they the last ones or what?

Thanks,

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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 21:46:12 -0600
From: life kid <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) chicago july 4th

Merrick Schaefer wrote:

> hey,
>
>  I just got back from Orbital's july fourth show in Chicago and it was
> totally ausome.   the venue wan't great(it had seats except for right up
> front) but there was a lot of good energy.  does anyboy know the set list
> for the evening.  In particular I really want to know what song was being
> played when they uleashed the yellow/green disco ball reflection beams of
> light and the last song they played for the encore.  thanks
>

the first time they pulled out the disco ball was for "style." and the final
song they played began with their version of the "dr.who" theme, which then
mixed into "chime" off of the "yellow" album.

> ps.  anybody else notice the cow that was sitting on their equipment?

yeah, i was trying to figure that out. the only thing i could think of was
that nikole (from the underworld mailing list) got them some sort of trophy.
otherwise, i have no clue. but go downtown in chicago, and you'll notice that
there are A LOT of those things. and they're life size, too.

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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 21:50:39 -0600
From: life kid <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) first us show (long ramblings)

Brandon Invergo wrote:

> as for orbital, the playlist was something to the
> extent of this, though it may not be in exact order:
>
> -style (this went from the album version to big pipe
> style)

i'm pretty sure they got the "new style" version in there too, at the end. i
distinctly remember the "...drive, oh come on!" sample.

> -satan

i think they mixed in almost every version of that song too!

> -dr. who
> -chime

i wish they played "lush."

>
>
> i think that's everything.  oh, a warning:  since the
> other bands are crystal method and lo-fi allstars,
> expect a horrible crowd.

i didn't think the crowd was that bad. the jumping and the body surfing was
pretty funny, actually. and i must admit, it was probably one of the more
energetic crowds i've been in.

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:39:53 +0100
From: Mad Iccy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Sunshadow

Club Class and Carwash
Present Funky Green Fish at Sunshadow 99
6th - 15th August
Gormain Farm,Nr Dobwalls,Cornwall

Featuring
Karl "tuff enuff"
Brown Matt "jam" Lamont
Steve "Daddy Cool" James
Chrissy T and the Rude Boy Rupert

The stars of Kiss FM and Carwash
Seal / M Flex /Madness(KMA)/Dj Kilo/Dj Naughty/Dj Abbis/Dj Easy Rider/
Easy E/XL Bass/The Bashment Crew/Ladies First(West Side Connection)/
Sammi J (Confetti Records)/Emma Feline/Sublo Tipper/Johnny 2 Bad &
Chuckle(Mission FM)/The Heartless Crew (Mission FM)/Special K/Ray
Hurley/Resident evil/Bass Ventura(Stonecold Records) /Chris Mac(1st
Class Records)/Marco B & DJ Safe/Rinse & Instigator/(Ruff FM)/Rojay &
Bigga(Pure Magic FM)/Wesley J (Mac FM)/Funky Smith/Cameo (Taste
FM)/Vengar & Easy O(Pure Magic FM)/Jazzy D & Bullet

Plus MC's
Neat / PSG / Dollar$ / 2 Ton / Captain / Munchie / Sharkie p / Kane
Active / MC Delero(Kiss FM)/ Flavor / Wicked / Double G / Freestyle
Vision / Preshus & Millar / Mr Kaos

Live P.A's
MC Neat performing & "G.A.R.A.G.E"/ DJ RD & Malakie performing "Sweet
Baby"Dj Munchie / Donna Cousins(500 Records)Performing "One Night"

PLUS DJ's
Dj Tulsey (Glastonbury 99) / Dj Glu (Belgium) / Dj Groover (Finland) /
PRB /Mike Hohn (Germany) / Tone E Gee / Dj Crazy Horses / Ben "Jammin"
Wells /Kim Daniels / Leon / Dj Specialist / Dj Felix / Dj Phats / Andy
Brown /Ranj Kaler /Stuart Bourne & Mark Pearcy (Back 2 Back) / Stuart E
/ Dj Nunny / Dj Black /Johnny Dangerous / Lulu / Neil Roberts / Dave the
Rave/Danny Brown

PLUS Percussion from
Cappa and M.Sonic

http://www.dada-promotions.com/sunshadow
http://www.sunshadow.com
- -Cheers for now-
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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:50:23 -0500
From: Marc Sawaya <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) (Orbital) Strange Post: Read with caution.

Well, here goes my mind...

    If someone were to document all the posts I have ever submitted to
this group, it might be fairly reasonable to speculate that I have
attempted to undermine the sheer integrity of the group.  These postings
would include topics ranging from Ken Ishii, The Rabbit in the Moon, and
Two Lone Swordsmen to Autechre (inadvertently causing a huge argument).
I would like to assure everyone that I have no intention of a vicious
takeover, or anything of the sort, and I would like to render that
promise a little more ambiguous with the rest of this e-mail.

    1.  Well, I was at my friend's house, and he had a tape on that was
playing Dirty Beatniks (more about this later), and it had some Atari
Teenage Riot on it.  An ATR song came on with a very distinctive
baseline, that I immediately recognized as that neat one in Nothing Left
(mostly in Part 1).  I had heard the song before, but it was a long time
ago.  Anyway, I was wondering if any one else had made this connection.
It was also a really cool song, so I was wondering what the general
opinion of ATR, Alec Empire type stuff is.  And what do you guys listen
to for more, err, hardcore (for lack of a better word) stuff.  Sometimes
I really feel like high energy music, and I don't really get that with
Orbital or Ae.

    2.  Anyone know a thing or two about Dirty Beatniks?  Who are they,
why can't I ever find stuff by them, etc.  The stuff I heard sounded
kinda quirky and neat ("I'm a bongo beating beatnik and I just don't dig
rock and roll...").

    3.  WARNING: Strictly Ae post.  Well, I got Amber yesterday,
continuing my gradual discovery of this group.  It's on in the
background as I type this, actually.  I just love the CD art, with all
the dunes all the way around.  They should have put it on the disc as
well.  Well, here I was wondering about people's opinions of this album,
compared to Incunabula at least.  Personal responses only = ).  And is
there an Ae mailing list?  That would be really good.  If not, can we
start one?

    That's all that's coming to my head right now.  Thanks all you guys
for listening to my drivel, this is also a "techno-in-general" group for
me, rather than only an Orbital one, and I apologize to all of you
people who view it as only an Orbital one.


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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 09:57:20 PDT
From: Robert Schultz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Steve! Look at NME!!!

Hey steve, did you see that Loopz is the website of the week at NME? Take a
look!


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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:13:55 -0400
From: "Shannon K. Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) CommunityServiceTour Time Capsule

Hey! there's now an OFFICIAL Community Service Tour Website

http://www.communityservicetour.co

and YOU! yes YOU! can submit suggestions for items to be included in
Crystal Methods' Y2K Time Capsule. If they like the item, the mail you
back and you bring it to the show for the to include. Several folks will
also get free tickets and/or free priveledges to backstage for their
help.

Check it out!

http://www.communityservicetour.com/time_capsule.html

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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:14:44 -0400
From: "Shannon K. Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) LIVE Chat with!

http://www.communityservicetour.com/time_capsule.html

Chat with The Community Service bands!

 Wednesday, July 7 at 5pm (PDT):
 Chat with The Crystal Method and The Lo Fidelity Allstars.

 Wednesday, July 14 at 5pm (PDT):
 Chat with The Crystal Method and Orbital.

http://content.ubl.com/cca/community_service/chat/

GO THERE NOW! to submit a question that they will ask the bands on those
dates

Shannon +on +on = happy happy joy joy!


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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:20:53 -0400
From: "Patrick McGinn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) LIVE Chat with!

Shannon, you really should read ALL the e-mails you get :)

Both the CST web page and the chat were brought up several times in the past
week :)

Speaking of the CST webpage, after some correspondence with the CST
webmaster, I got this:

"I have sent an e-mail and left a message with the appropriate person.  I
told them, "I want to link this site as the official, but I need
confirmation from you..." as soon as they write back, I will take care of
it."

That was after he told me he hadn't linked the page yet because his employer
hadn't told him to, and I asked for a way to contact his employer.

So, everyone lay off the e-mails for a while, the poor guy's trying :)

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:50:02 -0400
From: "Patrick McGinn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Fw: (idm) Review: Orbital in Chicago (Kinda long)

Thought you guys might enjoy this, it had me laughing

Sorry if you already read it on IDM.

Xaos
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>
> Hiya Kids-
>
> Ok, this past sunday i was given the opportunity to see orbital
> (along with a couple of other "artists") at the Congress Theatre in
> Chicago. It was part of some kind of "Community Service Tour" which
> sounded incredibly stupid, and p+p were supported by the "lo-fi allstars"
> and the derivative "Crystal Method" eeww...
> Anyway, here are my entirely subjective opinions of the whole
> thing...
>
> ~9:00 pm Lo-Fi Allstars--
>
> Ok, call me biased but these guys weren't anything to get
> excited about. Cheap rockstar stage antics (or "carisma," you pick which
> term you like best) set the tone for their puerile performance (boy am
> I negative). Their bassist was high on something, and I don't think it was
> life, thus he kept droping his bass and actually broke it at one point
> during the romp. Woo ha. Another thing that distracted me was their
> drummer: any dope could see he was (for the most part) only playing the
> hats and cymbals. You
> either have a drummer or you have a sampler, ain't no way about it, but I
> guess some people just have to "rock." Anyway, I wasn't impressed...
>
> ~10:30 pm Crystal Method--
>
> Ugh. Until this time I was more or less neutral about this
> band. But not anymore, they just suck. Was it just me, or did they play
> one
> long 30minute track? They never bothered to change patches on their
> nordlead, and after the 10,000th zow-wow-wakka-wow pseudo-303 cutoff
> tweak, I was
> ready to break some fingers. Ack, I've never seen such an overuse of an
> other
> wise delightful effect. I was actually getting pissed, then they started
> beating up their synths, which I was a bit confused about: if they break
> their gear they wont be able to torture me any more, but then that woudl
> be a waste of some perfectly good piece of gear, which is no good.
> But I guess this ties in with the whole "carisma" thing, and as one list
> member standing next to me put it "It's like watching Third Eye Blind on
> synths." damn. I guess the palace of culture really was built out of
> dogshit. Fortunately, their carismatic set was short
> and they left the stage and orbital was able to
> get set up.
>
> ~11:30 pm Orbital--
>
> I guess they were having some technical difficulty setting
> up, but after a bit of a wait the brothers hit the stage opening up with
> the first track of "Middle of Nowhere" which was a pretty good opener. Zok
> pow, new twists on old songs, etc. Halcyon with the Bon Jovi and Belinda
> Carlisle(sp?) samples, old yes, but still a lot of fun. I liked Impact a
> lot too. Unfortunately, they played one of the tracks off of MoN that I
> always skip, but the visuals were pretty cool (delightful corporate
> slogans given a lovely marxist spin), so I payed more attention
> to those than the song. Another low point was Satan as part of their
> encore. I guess they figured that american kids are hardcore and enjoy
> hearing "Satan! Satan! Satan!" ad infinitum,  but again the visuals rocked
> so I put up with it, and then they redeemed themselves with "Dr. Who" at
> the end, which only 1/4th of the crowd understood, but it was a lot of
> fun none the less. But man, their set was way too short!! Argh! I could
> have watched them for another couple of hours, but fortunately I'll see
> them at the PA show, and hopefully I'll get my fill.
> On a side  note, I was appreciative of orbital's professionalism
> and low-key stage presence. While the other "acts" (a fitting term) were
> going nuts breaking synthesizers and saying "let's fuckung rock chicago!"
> orbital just said "hello, sorry about the wait", no smashing or wackyness,
> but you could tell they love their job. And that's what it's all about.
>
> %andrew
>
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> * Grand Rapids, MI
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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 16:08:33 -0400
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: [Review: Orbital in Chicago (Kinda long)] (Even longer)

%andrew wrote:
>
> Hiya Kids-
>
> Ok, this past sunday i was given the opportunity to see orbital
> (along with a couple of other "artists") at the Congress Theatre in
> Chicago. It was part of some kind of "Community Service Tour" which
> sounded incredibly stupid, and p+p were supported by the "lo-fi allstars"
> and the derivative "Crystal Method" eeww...
> Anyway, here are my entirely subjective opinions of the whole
> thing...

Ok, I'm going to bash this already (and this is my first post on this mailing
list).  First of all, while I would be willing to cut off my right arm to see
Orbital in concert, the fact that Crystal Method (one of the best breakbeat
groups out there) and Lo-Fi Allstars (kinda like them, not a bad first album)
were ALSO in this tour forced me to drive from Louisville (KY) to Chicago for
five hours and check this thing out!  I have a tiny little feeling that you
don't like breakbeat whatsoever.  (Anybody who doesn't like Crystal Method, esp.
in that concert, has some serious issues...)

> ~9:00 pm Lo-Fi Allstars--
>
> Ok, call me biased but these guys weren't anything to get
> excited about. Cheap rockstar stage antics (or "carisma," you pick which
> term you like best) set the tone for their puerile performance (boy am
> I negative). Their bassist was high on something, and I don't think it was
> life, thus he kept droping his bass and actually broke it at one point
> during the romp. Woo ha. Another thing that distracted me was their
> drummer: any dope could see he was (for the most part) only playing the
> hats and cymbals. You
> either have a drummer or you have a sampler, ain't no way about it, but I
> guess some people just have to "rock." Anyway, I wasn't impressed...

While I wouldn't write home about their album, I thought the concert was a hell
of a lot better.  Lots of energy in that one.  And "their bassist was high on
something"?  What?  Just because he's cheering the crowd on (like a band is
SUPPOSED to do) means he's high on something?!  Does this make Phil high on
something?  Because he was doing his share of energizing the audience, too.
Also, I don't remember him dropping his bass multiple times.

Ummm...the drummer was playing drums, hats, cymbals, and congas.  Any dope could
see that.  It was better than the other two bands that only use a push-button
drum track.  (Remember, you have to make the songs as live as possible.)

Anyway, I thought it was a good warmup for Crystal Method.

> ~10:30 pm Crystal Method--
>
> Ugh. Until this time I was more or less neutral about this
> band. But not anymore, they just suck. Was it just me, or did they play
> one
> long 30minute track? They never bothered to change patches on their
> nordlead, and after the 10,000th zow-wow-wakka-wow pseudo-303 cutoff
> tweak, I was
> ready to break some fingers. Ack, I've never seen such an overuse of an
> other
> wise delightful effect. I was actually getting pissed, then they started
> beating up their synths, which I was a bit confused about: if they break
> their gear they wont be able to torture me any more, but then that woudl
> be a waste of some perfectly good piece of gear, which is no good.
> But I guess this ties in with the whole "carisma" thing, and as one list
> member standing next to me put it "It's like watching Third Eye Blind on
> synths." damn. I guess the palace of culture really was built out of
> dogshit. Fortunately, their carismatic set was short
> and they left the stage and orbital was able to
> get set up.

Wow...you suck :)  I think I can name off the bands you don't like:

Chemical Brothers (esp. the first two)
Cirrus
Propellorheads
Fatboy Slim
Coldcut
Lunatic Calm
Boom Boom Satellites

In fact, I seriously doubt you like the entire breakbeat genre.  Do you even go
to raves?  Do you listen to techno at all besides Orbital?  (Minimalist or
something, I bet.  I bet you like Moby, don't you?)

BTW, you can't even spelling "carisma" right.  It's C-H-A-R-I-S-M-A.

Anyway, I thought the Crystal Method set was very cool.  Some nice high-energy
breakbeat, featuring some new tunes.  And the reason why the songs where
enlongated was because the crowd liked it so far.  Oh, I'm sorry...I bet you
were one of those morons that sat in the chairs all damn night.  It's a RAVE!
You don't sit down at a rave (unless it's a chill room).  If you didn't want a
rave, go to a classical concert and sit down.  Frankly, I think they should have
picked a better place to hold this RAVE, like where there were NO SEATS and
nothing but a FLOOR.

> ~11:30 pm Orbital--
>
> I guess they were having some technical difficulty setting
> up, but after a bit of a wait the brothers hit the stage opening up with
> the first track of "Middle of Nowhere" which was a pretty good opener. Zok
> pow, new twists on old songs, etc. Halcyon with the Bon Jovi and Belinda
> Carlisle(sp?) samples, old yes, but still a lot of fun. I liked Impact a
> lot too. Unfortunately, they played one of the tracks off of MoN that I
> always skip, but the visuals were pretty cool (delightful corporate
> slogans given a lovely marxist spin), so I payed more attention
> to those than the song. Another low point was Satan as part of their
> encore. I guess they figured that american kids are hardcore and enjoy
> hearing "Satan! Satan! Satan!" ad infinitum,  but again the visuals rocked
> so I put up with it, and then they redeemed themselves with "Dr. Who" at
> the end, which only 1/4th of the crowd understood, but it was a lot of
> fun none the less. But man, their set was way too short!! Argh! I could
> have watched them for another couple of hours, but fortunately I'll see
> them at the PA show, and hopefully I'll get my fill.
> On a side  note, I was appreciative of orbital's professionalism
> and low-key stage presence. While the other "acts" (a fitting term) were
> going nuts breaking synthesizers and saying "let's fuckung rock chicago!"
> orbital just said "hello, sorry about the wait", no smashing or wackyness,
> but you could tell they love their job. And that's what it's all about.

The first track is Way Out, BTW.  I thought that was an excellent choice for a
first track.  (Fav Orbital song besides GwtSiHH.)  Though, there were no "new
twists" like the songs from the two other bands, I really enjoyed the continuous
mixes of some of their songs.  (Style to Bigpipe Style was my favorite).

Skipped one of the MoN songs?!  Ewww.  Let me guess: I Don't Know You People.
Right?  How did I know?  Maybe because it's a breakbeat-esque song?  Yes, I did
really enjoy the visuals, but there was no point in the preformance that I said
"Hey, I like looking at the pictures more than I like listening to the band,
which was the whole point of coming here."

Now, for once, I do argee with you on Satan.  What the hell is everybody's thing
with the first album?  It was a first album.  Nothing special.  Besides maybe
Oolaa and Chime, I wouldn't really recommend it.  Orbital 2 was such an
improvement and Snivilisation was even better.  The Dr. Who song was a nice
surprise, too.  (Yes, I know what Doctor Who is.  One of my fav sci-fi series.)

"I was appreciative of orbital's professionalism and low-key stage presence"?!
May I direct you to the Celine Dion concert, or do you want to walk by
yourself?  While good music is a main priority, it's still good to get the crowd
going.  I think Phil (or maybe Paul; whoever was the mixer) did a good job of
that.  BTW, "fuckung" is spelled F-U-C-K-I-N-G.

Hell, part of Jimi Hendrix's biggest things was smashing the amps and burning
his guitar.  The crowd loved it.  Now, if you want to insult one of the greatest
modern rock guitarists ever, we may just have to take this conversation
outside...

The only disappointments were no Girl with the Sun in Her Head and no
Snilivision.  They could have replaced the Bon Jovi crap and Satan with GwtSiHH
and Forever or Duck Feet.  Also, I thought the bass was too much.  It's just
fine for Lo-Fi and Crys Meth, but Orbital is more of a treble kind of music.
The sound guys should have adjusted that.  Overall, it was an awesome concert,
though.  It's too bad you didn't enjoy it.  If you don't like raves, don't go.

(Sorry for my inflammatory first post, but this was my inflammatory first
message I received.)

- --
Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper ([e-mail])
Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru
Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/)


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