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From: "Lindsey M." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: List restored
Date: 06 Feb 1998 17:17:04 -0800

Does anybody know if Orbital will be touring near the San Francisco Bay
area soon? Id sure love to see them live sometime!!! I heard the Box is
really fantastic live.

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From: Lindsey M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 11 Feb 1998 18:05:48 -0800

sean wrote:
>
> chemical brothers?, the boo-yah tribe of techno, yuck.
> autechre 'amber' this is beautiful. obtain this , it will please you more
> than the chembros, boo-yah!!
>
>         accept less                             expect more
>                       s......e......a......n
>
> On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, Anthony Agee wrote:
>
> > >1) hardcore   2) tribal   3) trance (as opposed to techno)   4)handbag
> > (most
> > > important, because where the fuck did it come from?  Does it mean cheesy
> > > house for the masses?)   Anyway, thanks                       Love from
> > Khugo
> >
> > Those sound like record store categories to me.  I'm not a Brit, and I too
> > live in a techno-less enviroment (Kansas) but I wrestled with the same
> > terms you are and this is what I've found out:
> >
> > 1)hardcore: could mean ANYTHING from Kraftwerk to Nine Inch Nails to
> > Industrial.  This term is meaningless.  ignore it.
> >
> > 2) Tribal: Supposedly jungle music or other high BPM (beats per minute)
> > music.  I'm guessing that the titles you're seeing are shit like that
> > Italian CD or the one with the cat on the record player with the clever
> > title like "Beat that Pussy" or something like that.  These CD's are
> > worthless and their only raison d'etre is to keep the electronic music fan
> > from finding good music.  Tribal is not a legitimate music category as far
> > as I'm concerned.
> >
> > 3)Trance:  a legitimate term.  Mostly dance music...covers a wide spectrum
> > music.  Trance is essentially all techno music that isn't Jungle, Ambient,
> > Drum and Bass...or at least that's my definition.  GOA Trance is a more
> > manic kind of trance which almost always has a Roland TB-303 buzzing
> > away....the 303 gives techno that "acid" sound.
> >
> > 4)handbag: have no idea what that means.  Sounds to me like a record
> > store's name for "Miscellaneous".
> >
> > Here's what I recommend.......stick to buying non-compilation CDs unless
> > you've heard about a totally killer one such as "Wipeout XL"......(buy it
> > right now if you haven't).
> >
> > Test the waters with some of the following bands...Autechre's "Amber",
> > Aphex Twin's "Selected Ambient Works 2", Underworld's "Second Toughest of
> > the Infants", Freaky Chakra Vs. Single Cell Orchestra (don't know the
> > name...has two robots fighting on cover), Chemical Brother's "Exit Planet
> > Dust", and last but certainly not least, LTJ Bukem's "Logical
> > Progressions".  First and best bet is to buy that Wipeout XL Soundtrack
> > (not the game itself) and see what groups you like on that album.
> >
> >

I happen to like the Chemical Brothers as well as punk and ska music. I
think that we shouldnt go around critizing other bands no matter how
much we dislike their music. We should admire them for the talent(s)
they do have.

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From: Lindsey M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Digest stuff.
Date: 12 Feb 1998 18:43:51 -0800

why do you say the Chemical Brothers have no talent? I think they
have plenty of it, not just anyone can even read a note, or put together
a piece of music, c'mon theyve got to have some there! ...maybee you
just cant see or like the talent they do have.
  Anyhow, Ive been on this mailing list for a few months and I think
this is a rad mailing list Ive learned so much about Orbital.
  Just out of curiousity, does anybody happen to like "digital hardcore"
music? That would be ATR (Atari Teenage Riot) EC8OR, Sonic Subjunkies???
Or does anybody just like plain punk music? If you do email me! I love
getting mail!

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From: Lindsey M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What's wrong?
Date: 13 Feb 1998 16:06:09 -0800

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> The sample of "What's wrong? (female voice)" is from Star Wars...go see it in
> the theatre for yourselves if you don't think so!!!  It's there...the scene
> where strolls away from Han Solo in the hangar before the attack on the Death
> Star.
> peachy huh?
>
> jamieThats cool, but I thought it was from this movie I was watching a while
ago. I was flipping through the channels, and I started watching this
movie from the 40's, I was about this love triangle thing and the lady
says "whats wrong" and yada yada yada.... Well, now Im happy to know
that its from star wars not the other movie... or is it? who knows!
o well!

Laterzzz!

  -Lindsey
      [e-mail]

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From: Lindsey M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: T-shirts, hats, etc.
Date: 13 Feb 1998 16:16:35 -0800

Anthony Agee wrote:
>
> Does anybody know of a place which sells t-shirts and other clothing for
> groups like Orbital, Autechre and the like?  I want a WARP Records shirt
> too......

Yeah! If you go to Orbital's official site they sell lotsa stuff!!!
...but that doesnt quite work too well if you live in the US :(

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From: Lindsey M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: New orbital CD
Date: 18 Feb 1998 15:56:59 -0800

Grandmaster Mellie Mel wrote:
>
> I have read in a certain newspaper that the new Orbital CD will be out in
> April
> and it's actually the theme tune to a new film version of 'The Saint' so it
> should
> be interesting. Meanwhile the new album is under construction.

To be exact, April 7th the single will be out

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From: Lindsey M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: New orbital CD
Date: 19 Feb 1998 15:42:27 -0800

Aaron Murray wrote:
>
> > To be exact, April 7th the single will be out
> >
> is that just a UK release, or a US release as well?
>
>                                 aaron

I think its 4 the US.... Im not quite sure

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From: "Grrromit!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What's wrong?
Date: 23 Feb 1998 15:58:23 -0800

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Halycon is the anti-depressant Phil and Pauls' mother was on-hence the
> name of the song.

wasnt the Tranquilizer also about their mothers drugs? wait a sec...
what was wrong with theyre mother anyways? I keep hearing about his
mothers drugs!!! Is she ok now? Id really like to know.

[e-mail]

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From: Albert Rivera <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) satan lives
Date: 01 Feb 1998 01:42:06 -0800


i just got my hands on 2 sets of the satan live singles.  one copy of disc
3 has already been called for.  is anyone interested in acquiring copies of
the remaining cd's?  i'm looking to trade for some really good live orbital
boots or rare stuff, but i will accept cash if you have nothing good to offer.

because of bad experiences, cd's will be mailed once trade or cash is
received.  sorry.

albert



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From: Reece KH <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) A Heart?
Date: 01 Feb 1998 16:16:32 GMT


> Reece KH wrote:
>
> > i dunno whether i have a duff copy of orbital 1 and everyone has already noticed this,
> > but :
>
> I'm guessing you did...  That is if you're talking about the inside part of the insert
> (opposite to CD when closed) that has the labelled diagram of the heart, right?  Maybe the
> ink was low when it was printed....

awwww, that's really gutting. i thought i discovered something :(

-= over and out =-

reece


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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Equinox
Date: 01 Feb 1998 17:07:58 -0000


>I wonder if anyone can shed some light on this Orbital track I've got
>called Equinox.  It's on a compilation called "The Chemical Box Vol.1"
>(Neurodisc/Priority).  Clocks in at 5:18.

>I read on Lazlo's discography that it is the original version of Times Fly,
>but lists nothing else.  Do I have the only appearance of this track on CD?

Well...its on another compilation as well. Released only In Germany.
Anywayz....Equinox is a track they made using the sample Equinox taken
from the TV series of the same name. They amended the track slightly for
the Times Fly track - naturally they didnt want to use the Equinox
sample for the Ep.

Steve LOOPz Price
Orbital Zine
www.rise.co.uk/orbital


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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Knowles)
Subject: (orbital) jake slazenger
Date: 01 Feb 1998 14:09:28 -0500


one non-orbital-related question, and one non-orbital-related comment coming up:

1) i heard a track from the jake slazenger (aka mu-ziq, aka mike pardinas)
album "das ist ein groovybeat, ja." love that title. anyway, is the album
worth getting? how does it compare to stuff like lunatic harness?

2) anyone heard any pizzicato five? i picked up the "made in the usa"
album, and it kicks some ass. reminds me a lot of early deee-lite. could be
the japanese/towa tei connection. whatever. yeah, baby. word.

kickin' it to "twiggy twiggy,"
ben

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|        "What is finite                     Ben Knowles - Vassar College   |
|      to the understanding                  [e-mail]           |
|    is nothing to the heart."               Physics - Astronomy            |
|       -Ludwig Feuerbach                    Philosophy - Metaphysics       |
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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Live Experience
Date: 01 Feb 1998 19:50:11 PST


Hi all:
I guess you all already had this conversation before, but where can one
find 'Live Experience' at anyway?
Thanks.
Mehul P.

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From: Jeff Carlton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: a heart...(morpheus)
Date: 02 Feb 1998 00:31:54 -0500


morpheus,

i can tell you what was on your uk version of the green album (since i have it, by the way i
liked your memories of her trak/remix)...the heart is partially covered by the red circle w/
the letters 'CD' in it...perhaps the person has the uk version...w/ the cicle in the way, it
is more difficult to see (compared to the us version)...although the us version has the heart
in a very light color...making it hard to see/read  if you're not paying attention...

>jeff

fitter, happier, more productive...

ps-anyone else notice the belfast sample on rabbit in the moon's "are we here?" remix(es)?




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From: Andrew Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #38
Date: 02 Feb 1998 09:25:23 GMT



>     hi all!  my boyfriend recently had tapes made for his band, and he is
> looking for a program to make some covers for them.  it would preferably be
> for windows 95, and shareware or freeware.  if anyone knows of anything,
> pleeease let me know!

You might not want to increase the legacy of Wild Bill Gates by one
single penny, but the MS Publisher package (about $60?) has a neat
Tape Cassette Cover template. I use it all the time, and it impresses
the hell out of people. If you can get some interestingly coloured or
patterned A4 paper rather than using white, you can print titles and
headings in bold black onto them and have perfect cassette covers in
a jiffy!

Anybody interested in trading some Orbital live tapes for US
release CDs? I have quite a few bootleg tapes (gulp!) and I'd like to
get hold of some US CDs without having to go via the Web Shops...

As well as Orbital I have several Underworld and Fluke live tapes
which folks might be interested in...

Regards

Andy Jackson

"You can't have everything. Where would you put it?"
(Stephen Wright)


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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Live Experience
Date: 02 Feb 1998 09:36:07 +0100


+AD4-I guess you all already had this conversation before, but where can one
+AD4-find 'Live Experience' at anyway?

When are people gonna start asking about the Rainforest Daymare
already ? It's just Live Experience, Live Experience, Live Experience.

8+AF4-)

Daniel
:::::::::::::::::
+ACI-aaaand I seeee Eeeelviiiiisss...+ACI-




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From:    Greg Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Questions involving trak listings
Date: 02 Feb 1998 22:01:43 -0500 (EST)


> while we're at them...have you heard any of the "Northern Exposure"
> compilations ? Those two did em. I know they're good (haven't heard
> em), but I want someone else's point of view.

All of the Northern Exposures are excellent (Northern Exposure; Northern
Exposure II, Westcoast Edition; and Northern Exposure II, Eastcoast
Edition).  In the UK, Northern Exposure II was released as a two-disc set,
or so I've read.  It was split into the Westcoast and Eastcoast single
disc versions for US release.  The Westcoast version is the more upbeat of
the two, and the Eastcoast version is great 'morning after' music.  It
would be good for nursing various hangovers.

And on another note, I'll go ahead and cast my vote now:  thumbs up for
Saturnzreturn.

GP



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From: "Shannon @ The Image Processing Lab" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) ORBITAL ALTITUDE and INCLINATION
Date: 03 Feb 1998 08:26:52 -0500


Sorry for cloggin the sea lanes, but...
I just can't get over it!

KENNEDY SPACE CENTER SPACE SHUTTLE STATUS REPORT
MONDAY, FEBRUARY 2, 1998  (12:01 PM EST)

MISSION: STS-90 - NEUROLAB

VEHICLE: Columbia/OV-102
LOCATION: OPF bay 3
TARGET KSC LAUNCH DATE/TIME: April 2, 1998 at 1:19 p.m.
LAUNCH WINDOW:  2 hours, 30 minutes
TARGET KSC LANDING DATE/TIME: April 19, 1998 at 12:07 p.m.
MISSION DURATION: 16 days, 21 hours, 48 minutes
CREW: Searfoss, Altman, Linnehan, Williams, Hire, Buckey, Pawelczyk
ORBITAL ALTITUDE and INCLINATION: 150 nautical miles/ 39 degrees

Hello Aimee, Ian, Morey, Richard, Steve, and [up in space...] Phil &
Paul Hartnoll!
--
         ______________
         s. k. campbell
      _____________________
      UT.Med.Ctr.@Knoxville
    The Image Processing Lab
        ph.423.544.9693


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Bored, bored, bored
Date: 03 Feb 1998 18:35:11 +0100


I've just moved into my new house in Brussels. Being rather keen to make myself feel at home as quickly as possible, I brought over half a dozen of my fave Orbital discs and my crappy little "travel" boombox (never mind the quality, just admire its sleek, ermmm, green casing.)

I only forgot to bring my bloody travel adapter as well. And since I work every hour God sends I doubt I'll be able to get one before Saturday. Doh! Ahh well. Two things...

Is "Amp" or anything vaguely techno (read 'decent') related music programme on either MTV Europe, or the rather bizarre Belgian equivalent channel MCM?

Are there any European dates likely when the album comes out? That'd be one to piss my mates off....

One good thing... I'm going to see the Propellerheads over here at the end of the month. Better than Echo and the Bunnymen, or Mamas' Jsase (both v. famous over here)

Cheers for reading this far if you're as bored as I am

Filthy Mick
Best Regards,

Michael FERRIS
Data Management
ELIXIR
the Alliance BELUX SAP/R3 Implementation Project
Tel: [phone]
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Organ smorgasbord
Date: 03 Feb 1998 18:42:08 +0100


Daniel Kasaj wrote:

so, we have the heart on green,
the kidneys on brown, and
well, insides on in sides :)
what's next ? :)

Don't forget the big penis warriors with the spears on the insides of Sniv.... they rule ;-o

I hope they put a bladder on the next one. Or a bit of liver...mmmm, liver

Hey everyone, what's your favourite internal organ? Let's start a poll!

Oh God, I'm depressed (reaches for Smiths CD)

Filthy Mick




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From: Matthew J Abate <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) WSBurroughs
Date: 03 Feb 1998 11:26:46 -0700 (MST)



I have to do a project for a class and I need some info on W. S.
Burroughs. I know that there are a lot of Burroughs fans on these lists
so...

1) What are some bands that you think would likely be involved in a
tribute concert to him?

2) Where is a good place to have it?

3) Are there any authors, other than P. Z. Brite, that would be there to
do readings?

4) Who do you think would produce this event?

Thanks.

aphasia.................................................?



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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Organ smorgasbord
Date: 03 Feb 1998 14:22:20 +0000


> Don't forget the big penis warriors with the spears on the insides of Sniv.... they rule ;-o

    Thanks for reminding me. I had managed to block that image out.
Filthy Mick, indeed.

-Morey





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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) WSBurroughs
Date: 03 Feb 1998 20:34:21 +0000


At 11:26 3/2/98 -0700, Matthew J Abate wrote:
>
>
>I have to do a project for a class and I need some info on W. S.
>Burroughs. I know that there are a lot of Burroughs fans on these lists
>so...
>
>1) What are some bands that you think would likely be involved in a
>tribute concert to him?

Bomb the Bass (Tim Simenon) and/or Justin Warfield, perhaps, as their 'Bug
Powder Dust' is, as you might imagine, rather heavily influenced by 'Naked
Lunch' (and it's rather good too).

cheers,
Jon

-
Jon Green    [e-mail]
"Under the bridges of Paris by the brooks of Budapest, what goes around
comes around, que sera sera."



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From:    Greg Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Saturnzreturn
Date: 03 Feb 1998 23:11:48 -0500 (EST)


At Daniel's request, here is some more info on the new Goldie, including
the track listing and some personal opinions on the songs.

Disc 1 ("Mother")
1) Mother  2) Truth

Disc 2 ("Saturn")
1) Temper Temper  2) Digital  3)  I'll Be There for You  4) Believe
5) Dragonfly  6) Chico--Death of a Rock Star  7) Letter of Fate
8) Fury--The Origin  9) Crystal Clear  10) Demonz


If you pop in disc 1 expecting to hear some good Goldie jungle, you will
be disappointed.  The 60 minute song, "Mother," which features a string
orchestra and Diane Charlamagne, does get longish at times, but overall,
it is a very nice track.  It is difficult to describe in a short amount of
space. There are several interesting sounds and textures that you have to
hear for yourself.  It is primarily ambient, with a middle drum and bass
section.

Although "Mother" seems to be the critics most-hated track, I would expect
them to lash out at "Truth" more because it is the oddball track on the
album.  After an opening which features David Bowie vocals, there is a
one-minute span of silence. Then, there is a combination of vocals and an
atonal piano part--a part which reminded me somewhat of Schoenberg.  The
liner notes say "'Dream Within' played by three monks in the twilight
hours, Goldie, Mark Sayfritz & Will O'Donovan."  So, it sounds like "Dream
Within" is somebody's composition. Does anybody have any better info on
this?

Disc 2 has a variety of songs, mostly jungle.  Yes, I must admit that when
I saw the back of the CD and the title "I'll Be There for You," I secretly
was hoping that this would be a cover of the Bon Jovi power ballad.  But
alas, we are not that fortunate.  My favorites on disc 2 are "Dragonfly"
and "Chico."  I also like "Temper Temper."  It has a 'trashy' sound.  (I
mean that in a good way.)  The songs on disc 2 are unmixed, so the
fluidity normally found on mixed drum and bass CDs is absent here.

Put simply, Saturnzreturn provides an enjoyable and unique sonic
experience.  I definately recommend it; however, don't listen to it
expecting it to be a jungle CD.

GP



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From: "matt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) ----------------
Date: 04 Feb 1998 09:54:01 -0500


woohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoo
hoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoowoohoo

sorry about that..just found because of severe rain...everything's closing
here...no work for the next two days

by the way...i have gotten a few private e-mails about my various random
thoughts...if anyone would like to submit anything to the "warm random
thoughts" please e-mail me privtely(or else everyone will see your idea)
i will credit you in them...as for why i put up these random
thoughts...well, they're just my way of sharing ideas and screamings with
you all....by the way..on the news this morning sonny bono's widow died in
almost the same way he went


        matt(i wish the milkman would de-liver my milk..in the morning/ i
wish the milkman would de-liver my milk..when i'm yawning/ i would like
some milk from---i'm not gonna finish these lyrics)








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From: [e-mail] (STARpango)
Subject: (orbital) Live From Cream
Date: 04 Feb 1998 12:35:21 -0500


        hey don't suppose that anyone has a copy of the November 30th
Broadcast of Live From Cream w/ sets by Nick Warren and Paul Oakenfold.  it
was called the essential mix broadcast on Radio 1.   if anyone has a copy of
it i want it!, email me privately about it and we'll work a trade or
something.  MiniDisc preferred but right now i'll take cassette :)  thanx.

star p


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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Live Experience
Date: 04 Feb 1998 13:55:45 +0000


> >-Morey
> Well, I have both versions of In-Sides (with the Times Fly/Box bonus
> disc and the other one with Satan, Saint, Sinner, Halycon and Satan
> (live)).  So  I guess my only question is, is there another?
> Thanks.
> MP

    There are other versions of Halcyon out in general release, but the
only one with the funky samples in the one on In Sides. The video
itself is pretty hard to come by, but it's the full song, not the
mtv-butchered version.

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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Saturnzreturn
Date: 04 Feb 1998 14:50:38 +0000


    Well, I broke down and bought it yesterday, too, without listening
to it at all. There were definitely a few surprises..

> Disc 1 ("Mother")
> 1) Mother  2) Truth

    I listened to disc 1 on repeat all night last night (once before bed
and then softer while I slept). I like Mother quite a bit. About 45
minutes of it is quite ambient, interspersed with some good mellow
(if a bit dark) jungle. To be honest, I couldn't really tell where
Mother ended and Truth began, except for the vocals on Truth. They
seemed to flow together pretty well..

> Disc 2 ("Saturn")
> 1) Temper Temper  2) Digital  3)  I'll Be There for You  4) Believe
> 5) Dragonfly  6) Chico--Death of a Rock Star  7) Letter of Fate
> 8) Fury--The Origin  9) Crystal Clear  10) Demonz

    Hmm.. I didn't particularly care for Temper Temper all that much.
Digital is good in parts, but there are a few places where KRS-One's
part sounds extremely forced. Dragonfly and Chico were both quite
good. I think Dragonfly is probably the best song on there (At least
from the limited listening I've done.) Letter of Fate was a definite
shocker. I'm not sure what to say about it, but it definitely ain't
jungle. There are a couple of tracks similar to 'State of Mind' on
Timeless, but not as good, imho.

> Put simply, Saturnzreturn provides an enjoyable and unique sonic
> experience.  I definately recommend it; however, don't listen to it
> expecting it to be a jungle CD.

    I'm defintely enjoying it so far.. I still like New Forms better,
though.

-Morey





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) alsjfhg
Date: 04 Feb 1998 16:43:45 EST



allright,
  I was rather bored one day, so I downloaded a wav, of halcyon+on, I was
fooling around with it and started playing it backwords, after a little
tinkering I figured that the singing is played backwords on the original song,
(not the backwords one I fooled with)

well if you are confused, good bye.

sam.


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From: "Shannon @ The Image Processing Lab" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) your favourite organ?
Date: 04 Feb 1998 16:44:37 -0500


>Daniel Kasaj wrote:<
>so, we have the heart on green,
>the kidneys on brown, and
>well, insides on in sides :)
>what's next ? :)

>Filthy Mick<
>Hey everyone, what's your favourite internal organ?

I like the Hammond ZX-99!!!

oh, 'internal' !

for me, the obvious:

    T H E (@) B R A I N

Shannon >aka cellpsychique'<
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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Content-Type: text/plain
Date: 04 Feb 1998 21:01:18 PST


Hi:
I am sorry to junk everyone's mailbox, but I need Brent Jones to reply
back to this message.
I lost your e-mail address.
Sorry everyone.
MP

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) The Bloody Live Experience
Date: 05 Feb 1998 07:40:25 -0000


>> Hi all:
>> I guess you all already had this conversation before, but where can one
>> find 'Live Experience' at anyway?

>    Are you referring to the video or the song? The video is only
>available as a very limited edition promo, and there is another live
>version of the same song on the bonus disc of the US version of
>In Sides.

This is ALL MTV fault. Just to clear things up....there is no track
called Live Experience...its actually called just "Halcyon(live)". Its
available on one of the reissues of In Sides (US) - Check
Http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/discog.html
The info u need is there.

As for the video...again its just Halcyon live and it does appear on the
limited TRUPAK which was given away in the LOOPZ remix compo.

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) strictly off topic
Date: 05 Feb 1998 13:15:08 +0100


I need to talk to someone from the State of Georgia,
nothing serious - I am just doing something out of sheer
fun and I need some help..anybody from Georgia will do...

Thanks,

Daniel, who finally woke up knowing why Wham! split up.
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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Event Horizon
Date: 05 Feb 1998 05:26:25 PST


Hey guys-
Wow.. I just watched Event Horizon last night.  As far as I remember,
when it first came out, the general reaction of people on the list was a
negative one.  I couldn't see it back then 'cuz it got rated R, and I'm
not exactly 17 or whatever it is.  I went with friends, and we tried to
get in, but they stopped us.  Anyway, I've seen it now, and all I can
say is wow.  There were a few technical things that pissed me off, like
somehow being able to hear a scream through a vacuum, but overall, I
tink it's an AMAZING movie.  And now I'm really regretting not getting
the soundtrack when I was in Michigan.. stupid stupid me.  Anyway, does
anybody if the score for the symphonic-y parts is available?  I just
kept thinking that it was something I'd like to play in concert band
here at school....

Aimee

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From: "Hans Lo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Event Horizon
Date: 05 Feb 1998 09:25:12 -0500


>Anyway, does
>anybody if the score for the symphonic-y parts is available?  I just
>kept thinking that it was something I'd like to play in concert band
>here at school....

    You liked the soundtrack for Event Horizon? I bought the import here in
Ottawa (a friggin arm and a leg) and I was quite disappointed. I knew that
the brothers didn't have total control over the music, but the composer
Michael Kamen really is not a good one. There are far better compsers out
there, and it was a shame Orbital had to work with this fool. I'm far
happier with Goldie's Saturz Return which cost about the same as the Even
Horizon soundtrack.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) strictly off topic
Date: 05 Feb 1998 9:32:00 -0500


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>Daniel, who finally woke up knowing why Wham! split up.


     wait, is it for the reason i think it is? the reason culture club
     broke up?

     and now for a quick opinion poll. if you own a copy of one of "the
     freestyle files" compilations, and you happened to have heard the
     england vs. germany discs, which disc did you like better. honestly, i
     thought germany definitely did it in for me. hope i don't anger any
     nice people out there...

     big kisses to all the girls and boys-
     *dose*


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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Event Horizon
Date: 05 Feb 1998 06:38:20 PST


Hey-

**
You liked the soundtrack for Event Horizon?
**

Yeah.. not only do I like it, but I want to play it!  God... I'll have
to go find the music teacher now and get her to go see if she can track
it down.  I would DIE to play that in concert band.  And since I'm a
section leader, I get input on what we play.  MUHAHAHA!  Hehe..
seriously though, I want to play it.  I think (from what I heard) it
would work well with the group we have out for band this year and
besides, I just think it kicks ass.  Especially that part when (in the
movie) they're approaching the Event Horizon for the first time.

Aimee

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Event Horizon
Date: 05 Feb 1998 19:44:10 +0100


Aimee +ACI-The Terrorist+ACI- Couture wrote:
+AD4-I would DIE to play that in concert band.  And since I'm a
+AD4-section leader, I get input on what we play.  MUHAHAHA+ACE-  Hehe..

Play as in +ACI-spin them CDs+ACI- or as in +ACI-raping the instruments+ACI- ? From
what I picked up, you guys actually play the tunes on your own
instruments...that can't be.....aahhh..so glad I live far away :)

Daniel, betting she's gonna take this personal.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) more ridiculous observations
Date: 05 Feb 1998 14:43:00 -0500



     how' about...

     a remix of "karma chameleon" by the boys? or a remix of "wake me up
     before you go go"?


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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Event Horizon
Date: 05 Feb 1998 13:16:08 PST


**
Aimee The Terrorist Couture wrote:
**

Terrorist?? Hmm.... wonder where that came from.

**
Play as in spin them CDs or as in raping the instruments ? From what I
picked up, you guys actually play the tunes on your own
instruments...that can't be.....aahhh..so glad I live far away :)
**

Haha.. the grade nines in band suck..  The people around my age don't.
We play our instruments, and we sound okay.  Soon, we may have realaudio
files of us playing up on the school's web site.  BTW, beware.. not only
do I play an instrument, but I sing as well.  MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Evil Aimee

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) by far non-orbital related but interesting
Date: 05 Feb 1998 17:16:00 -0500



     hello, all,

     if you're 21 and over and would like to hear something interesting,
     write me. i've got something to share! and no, this has nothing to do
     with pornography!


     *dose*


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) ok, i take it back
Date: 05 Feb 1998 17:21:00 -0500



     all right, forget my previous posting regarding 21 and overs! i've
     momentarily gotten the wrong info. sorry for driving everybody crazy
     with this. truly!

     *dose, yet again*


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From: Matthew J Abate <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Event Horizon
Date: 05 Feb 1998 15:48:33 -0700 (MST)


> Play as in spin them CDs or as in raping the instruments ?

Ouch! Man that would cause a HUGE rash.

aphasia.................................................?



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From:    Greg Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Saturnzreturn
Date: 05 Feb 1998 19:03:43 -0500 (EST)


> Letter of Fate was a definite shocker. I'm not sure what to say about
> it, but it definitely ain't jungle. There are a couple of tracks similar
> to 'State of Mind' on Timeless, but not as good, imho.

Yeah, Letter of Fate did come out of nowhere.  It would be better placed
at the end of the disc.

> I'm definitely enjoying it so far.. I still like New Forms better,
> though.

New Forms definitely maintains a better continuity than the Goldie.
However, I'm not sure if it is the comparison for Saturnzreturn.  (And,
I'm not sure what the comparison should be.)  There is a large amount of
jungle in Saturnzreturn, but there is also a lot of time devoted to other
styles of music.  For example, only approximately 20 minutes (middle
section of 'Mother') of the 75-minute first disc is jungle.  But, of
course, since Goldie is viewed as the father of jungle, we naturally look
to that branch of electronica for a measure of comparison.

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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Mail??
Date: 05 Feb 1998 21:10:58 PST


Hey everyone:
Has anyone ever mailed out that fill in-response thing that you get in
Orbital cd's?  Or have you sent a SAE to the Orbital address for
merchandise info.?
Do you get anything?  One of my friends did it and he got nothing at
all.  Of course, he did the e-mail thing.
Mehul

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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Mail??
Date: 05 Feb 1998 23:18:41 -0800


I have mailed out before, and have gotten nothing back either.  Pretty
pissed too.

.Matthew.

Mehul Parekh wrote:
>
> Hey everyone:
> Has anyone ever mailed out that fill in-response thing that you get in
> Orbital cd's?  Or have you sent a SAE to the Orbital address for
> merchandise info.?
> Do you get anything?  One of my friends did it and he got nothing at
> all.  Of course, he did the e-mail thing.
> Mehul
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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Saturnzreturn
Date: 06 Feb 1998 08:24:00 +0100


Morey Gamble wrote:
>Hmm.. I didn't particularly care for Temper Temper all that much.

Apparently, the Grooverider remix of Temper^2 is "far out" and
I've seen it on a couple of charts already.

Daniel
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From: "Shannon @ The Image Processing Lab" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital Sciences Corp.!
Date: 06 Feb 1998 10:44:44 -0500


SNOE LAUNCH FROM VANDENBERG AFB, CA., POSTPONED 24-HOURS

        Launch of the Student Nitric Oxide Explorer (SNOE) from
Vandenberg Air Force Base (VAFB), CA, earlier set for late tonight, has
been delayed at least 24-hours. Due to recent weather conditions in
California, the required range support and personnel necessary to
conduct a launch attempt from VAFB are not available tonight.

        SNOE will be launched into orbit by a Pegasus XL rocket built by
Orbital Sciences Corp., Dulles, VA. A Lockheed L-1011 aircraft will
carry the Pegasus to an altitude of 39,000 feet over the Pacific Ocean
prior to its release.

        Payload test team managers earlier today reported that the
Pegasus fairing, despite the severe weather, sustained no moisture
intrusion and the SNOE payload was in good health.
--

MAN! Orbital is everywhere and does a little of everything!

Hey Phil. Hey Paul. When did you guys start maing rockets? Will we see
any in the upcoming tour? Watch out for that rocket fuel; it can be
quite precarious!

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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Saturnzreturn
Date: 06 Feb 1998 14:27:47 +0000


> New Forms definitely maintains a better continuity than the Goldie.
> However, I'm not sure if it is the comparison for Saturnzreturn.  (And,
> I'm not sure what the comparison should be.)  There is a large amount of
> jungle in Saturnzreturn, but there is also a lot of time devoted to other
> styles of music.  For example, only approximately 20 minutes (middle
> section of 'Mother') of the 75-minute first disc is jungle.  But, of
> course, since Goldie is viewed as the father of jungle, we naturally look
> to that branch of electronica for a measure of comparison.

    That's true.. I'm not sure New Forms is comparable to Saturnzreturn.
Okay, then.. The only logical comparison that can really be made is
with Timeless, I guess.. In that case, I would say that Timeless has
some songs that are better than just about anything on Saturn
(timeless, sea of tears, angel, and maybe a sense of rage), the album
as a whole is a step up from Timeless as far as maturity, and
diversity. It does seem to lack some of the intensity that timeless
has, though. Timeless feels like it's wound up so tight that it could
just explode at any time (and does a few times), while Saturnzreturn
almost seems to be a conscious step back from that, almost a "Look, I
can write other kinds of music, too" sort of thing. If it wasn't for
Temper Temper and Digital, I'd almost say that he's trying to
distance himself from that Goldie.

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From: KELL SIMON <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) looking for good electronic etc (e)mail order cd catalog
Date: 06 Feb 1998 15:00:57 -0500


if anyone on the list knows of any good on line catalogs (especially ones
that i can request, since i only have email and not web access) for
ambient/dnb/etc cd catalogs or mail order services, please let me know.
thanks
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Saturnzreturn
Date: 06 Feb 1998 17:45:18 -0600 (CST)



>New Forms definitely maintains a better continuity than the Goldie.
>However, I'm not sure if it is the comparison for Saturnzreturn.  (And,
>I'm not sure what the comparison should be.)  There is a large amount of
>jungle in Saturnzreturn, but there is also a lot of time devoted to other
>styles of music.  For example, only approximately 20 minutes (middle
>section of 'Mother') of the 75-minute first disc is jungle.  But, of
>course, since Goldie is viewed as the father of jungle, we naturally look
>to that branch of electronica for a measure of comparison.
>
>Greg
>


Calling Goldie the father of jungle is rather obsurd, the guy doesn't even
write his own tracks.

I'm listening to Saturnzreturn right now .....I've don't have an opinion yet



ROB

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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Event Horizons
Date: 06 Feb 1998 22:29:27 -0800


Hey

I just finished watching Event Horizons and I've got to say that it was a
brilliant horror movie.  As for the music, the orbital parts were poorly
mixed and sounded choppy and pieced together.  What I've heard from the
soundtrack seemed way better.  I also think that orbital should be
recognized in the opening credits along with Michael Kamen.  I thought it
was quite a joke that the beginning reads "Music written by Michael Kamen"
and completely leaves out orbital who co-wrote the songs.  At the end of the
final credits, it says additional music by Orbital.  Prodigy's "Funky Shit"
was used better then Orbital's works.  I think that the director ripped them
off.  Everyone so far that I've talked to about the movie had no idea that
Orbital took part in writing the music score.  I wonder why?  but besides
this, the movie rocked and kept me riding.  So much that I enfringed (sp?)
the copyright and taped it.  but who gives a shit.

tell me your thoughts.
cya
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From: shachar pladot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) none orbital(the original art form)
Date: 08 Feb 1998 12:56:32 +0200


hi
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Doe's any body heard about this disk or heard it by itself


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From: Reece KH <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Saturnzreturn
Date: 08 Feb 1998 11:20:40 GMT


>
> Morey Gamble wrote:
> >Hmm.. I didn't particularly care for Temper Temper all that much.
>
> Apparently, the Grooverider remix of Temper^2 is "far out" and
> I've seen it on a couple of charts already.

yeah, it is pretty damn good, and if anyone sees the yellow copy of temper temper,
they should get that one over the other version, cos it's got a .mov file of the video
on the cd, and quicktime to run it in for pcs and macs, which was nice :)

-= over and out =-

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From: Steve <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbies, Flukers, Orbitals,  Wav - Mpg encoder? HELP!!!
Date: 08 Feb 1998 12:32:58 -0000


Could someone please help me out with a problem.
I have a friend Stateside who's after a mpg file of some
stuff I Have could you please point me in the right direction.
I would be very grateful, I wouldn't want to let her down<g>.

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From: Reece KH <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) lush 3 euro-tunnel disaster '94
Date: 08 Feb 1998 11:24:00 GMT


hey, i was wondering if anyone had any information on this, like why orbital wrote a
track about some disaster that they expected to happen a year from when they wrote
the track, which almost materialized in what, 95 or 96? soooo, what's it all about?

-= over and out =-

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) lush 3 euro-tunnel disaster '94
Date: 08 Feb 1998 21:22:29 +0000


At 11:24 8/2/98 GMT, Reece KH wrote:
>
>hey, i was wondering if anyone had any information on this, like why
orbital wrote a
>track about some disaster that they expected to happen a year from when
they wrote
>the track, which almost materialized in what, 95 or 96? soooo, what's it
all about?

I always assumed it was a comment on the financial disatser it was. I never
gave it any thought when the fire happened.... Maybe they're psychic? We'd
better start scouring their titles for hot tips for the races or whatever :-)

cheers,
Jon

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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) b12
Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:05:08 -0800


Hey,

Has anyone heard of b12?  I am listening to them right now and it is
absolutely amazing.  I recommend that everyone go check them out.  It is
just the perfect mix of bizarre lush sounds with a complex tune and a
driving full beat.  It is just awesome.  This is the my first listen I think
I am going to have to go buy the cd now although it will be very expensive
for me since they are on warp records which is hard for me to get.  I just
thought that all of you should be told of this superbly sounding group.  Go
check them out.
cya
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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Mp3/WinAMP news
Date: 08 Feb 1998 22:05:33 +0100


For all of you mp3 freaks out there (that use WinAMP),
I found this G.R.E.A.T. plugin that enables stereo expansion,
speed/pitch control, reverbs etc... I  think it's still in beta or
something (uses a lot of memory etc.) but it f***ing kicks ASS.
Go download it at http://buzz.scene.org/winamp/

ps
Umm, when you're not using it it's not enough just to kill the
window, you should go to the plugins dialog and turn the
darn thing off...to free up some (20 or so megs :-)) memory
and return to the original sound.

Daniel, always in service to the people of this list :-)
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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Coldcut 'Timber'
Date: 09 Feb 1998 16:49:58 +0000


Got the aforementioned today: 8 remixes and 5 videos across 2 CDs, it's
going to take me all evening to listen to and watch it all! So far the
Quant and DK mixes are ace, and the Future 3 and Clifford Gilberto mixes
are OK, though not as good as the other two. Unfortunately my CD2 seems to
have no CD in it :-( so I'd better get back to Virgin and find out what
they're playing at.
Wow, there's a bonus track 6! Nice one!

cheers,
Jon

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) totally non related to orbital (but please read!)
Date: 09 Feb 1998 12:22:00 -0500



     hi, all,

     i have a quick request for any of the people overseas. i have an
     e-mail address for a friend in ireland, but i think i screwed up
     writing it down when she gave it to me over the phone. it's with some
     server called club internet.ie

     i'm not even sure if that's the way to write it, since i keep getting
     the messages bounced back. how would i address someone at this server?
     would it be theaddress@club_internet.ie or anything else? anyone out
     there use these guys or know somebody who does so i can fix it? it's a
     bit important. actually, VERY important! thanks much for your patience
     with my coo-koo request...

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From: Udi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Sniv Pic
Date: 07 Feb 1998 00:43:58 +0200


Yo Ppl !
I Scanned 2 new pics ..
first pic is p&p live , last summer.
second pic is a painting that someone painted in my room last week.
it's the Sniv Album cover.. And It ROCKS !
i would have send the pics .. but  im sure that not all of u want it.
so .. the pics are at :

http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/sniv-3.jpg
http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/p-live.jpg

p.s
another pic is at :

http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/s.jpg

Enjoy !

"We waste, we destroy, and we cling like savages to our superstitions. We
give power to leaders of state and church as prejudiced and small-minded as
ourselves, who squander our resources on instruments of destruction, while
millions continue to suffer and go hungry,condemned forever...."
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From: cl <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) search
Date: 07 Feb 1998 17:17:09 -0600


sorry for waste of bandwidth.
aimee c., please contact me, as i have a few ?'s.  thanks,
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) b12
Date: 09 Feb 1998 18:30:48 -0600 (CST)


On 02/08/98 22:05:08 you wrote:
>
>
>Hey,
>
>Has anyone heard of b12?  I am listening to them right now and it is
>absolutely amazing.  I recommend that everyone go check them out.  It is
>just the perfect mix of bizarre lush sounds with a complex tune and a
>driving full beat.  It is just awesome.  This is the my first listen I think
>I am going to have to go buy the cd now although it will be very expensive
>for me since they are on warp records which is hard for me to get.  I just
>thought that all of you should be told of this superbly sounding group.  Go
>check them out.
>cya
>morpheus

the B12 stuff is good....kinda like a watered down Black Dog or Autechre.
Great stuff to fall to sleep too. Depending on where you are, their stuff
shouldn't be too hard to find. I know in the US, Wax Trax/TVT released 2
of their records.

Oh.....a new record that totally rocks is the new Dj? Acucrack Ep...killer stuff

Rob




*Codec-Post Industrial Breaks+




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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital Interview in Mondo 2000
Date: 09 Feb 1998 23:42:07 -0800


Just so all know (unless this was mentioned already) there is a brothers
Hartnoll interview in the current issue of Mondo 2000 magazine.

.MatthewFord.


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From: Nicolas RIVALLAN <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Hello
Date: 10 Feb 1998 09:04:47 +0100


I just wanted to let you know that me, as Nicolas Rivallan, French
student, aged 21,  very keen on Techno, was reading you since a few
weeks.

I hope I will have more time to place comments in the ML soon.

Bye Bye.


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From: Peter Backx <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) why? ?
Date: 10 Feb 1998 13:45:39 +0100 (MET)



Yesterday, while I was shopping I found an Orbital cd with the picture of
a bird on front and the word 'why?'. There was no extra information on the
cd, it looked like the Brown album. Is this the brown one ? or maybe a
special version ? (I didn't have time to listen to it)

bye

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From: "Hans Lo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) why? ?
Date: 10 Feb 1998 10:13:14 -0500


>Yesterday, while I was shopping I found an Orbital cd with the picture of
>a bird on front and the word 'why?'. There was no extra information on the
>cd, it looked like the Brown album. Is this the brown one ? or maybe a
>special version ? (I didn't have time to listen to it)


Are you sure that animal on the cover with WHY? on it is not a swordfish?

If it is, it is Brown. I don't know why they decided to do this in Canada
(Thank Polygram Group Canada) but most new copies of Brown have the cover
reversed now.

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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) chime/belfast
Date: 10 Feb 1998 13:39:45 +0000


    I know someone mentioned this a few months back, but I don't think
any response ever came over it. so here goes. I just bought a 12"
single for Chime and Belfast that says it was produced by 'P & P
Martnoll' or something like that. I had just assumed it was a bootleg
and contented myself with having those songs on vinyl, but when I
looked at the discography, I noticed that the early orbital singles
were on Oh-Zone records, and this is also on Oh-Zone records. So, my
question is, is it a legitimate release or not?

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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) why? ?
Date: 10 Feb 1998 13:39:45 +0000


> Yesterday, while I was shopping I found an Orbital cd with the picture of
> a bird on front and the word 'why?'. There was no extra information on the
> cd, it looked like the Brown album. Is this the brown one ? or maybe a
> special version ? (I didn't have time to listen to it)

    It's the brown album with the cover inside out.

-Morey





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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) I'm SO confused.
Date: 10 Feb 1998 19:54:39 PST


Hey-
Couple of questions 'cuz I'm real dumb sometimes...

1.  Does the really heavy harpsichord part in the EP version of the Box
sound like part of a song out of the video game Castlevania??  I was
listening to it, and my brother stopped and he was like "that's in a
video game!"... So, whatever.

2.  What color is the CD in the US version of the green album?? I have
the UK version and my CD is silver... but we were talkin in #orbital
(everybody come join us!) and somebody was saying theirs is red.. but I
think they had the US version.  I'm confused now.

Aimee

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From: "John Stiteler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) I'm SO confused.
Date: 11 Feb 1998 02:12:51 -0500


Heyy everyone.  I'm back.  Doubt anyone noticed me missing.  :)

----------
> From: Aimee Couture <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (orbital) I'm SO confused.
> Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 10:54 PM
>
>
> Hey-
> Couple of questions 'cuz I'm real dumb sometimes...
>
> 1.  Does the really heavy harpsichord part in the EP version of the Box
> sound like part of a song out of the video game Castlevania??  I was
> listening to it, and my brother stopped and he was like "that's in a
> video game!"... So, whatever.

I have a friend who is way too much into both Castelvania and The Box.  I
will have to ask her sometime.

> 2.  What color is the CD in the US version of the green album?? I have
> the UK version and my CD is silver... but we were talkin in #orbital
> (everybody come join us!) and somebody was saying theirs is red.. but I
> think they had the US version.  I'm confused now.
>
> Aimee

Mine (apparently a US version) is red; the "CD" design that appears in red
on the cover art is similar on the CD itself, with the black parts of that
design left without color and showing the silvery CD surface.

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From: "JL Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) hello after a long absence!
Date: 11 Feb 1998 02:23:16 -0500


I'd just like to say hello to everyone on the orbital mailing list
I had been on a while back (like almost 2 years ago) but for some
reason lost track of where it was, I found it again, and just got around
to re-subscribing.
To introduce myself, My name is Jim Jones, and am from the east
coast USA (New Jersey, to be exact)
My interest in orbital arose from seeing them live back in 1992
and was immediately impressed by the Hartnolls....
I'm glad to see and hear that they have progressed, and recieved
critical acclaim that they truly deserve...
They've left a big impression on me and to all that enjoy them i say
cheers to ya!!!

looking forward to interesting and stimulating conversation!
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From: "JL Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbitalpalooza!
Date: 11 Feb 1998 02:39:13 -0500


PS, I caught them over the summer at Lollapalooza...
It was very cool!! they were the last to go on, everyone pretty
much left except for those of us who basically know who Orbital are...
I was introducing them to two of my friends for the first time live
and they didn't dissapoint!!! in addition, I had gotten general admission
seating, way far away from the stage, but we were able to move into
the "pit" area of the venue (Sony/Blockbuster E-centre in Camden, NJ)
and got to groove with them up close....  now thats one of the things
I really like about Orbital.. plus they have a cool equipment setup too!!!
anyway, just babbling....

Jim J.



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From: "JL Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) I've got a dumb question...
Date: 11 Feb 1998 02:55:46 -0500


This may have been already discussed on the list, so if im being
redundant, please let me know.  I have the CD single of Madonna's
"Bedtime Story" with the various remixes on it (including Orbital's, of
course)
and was just wondering if anyone here knows the story on how it
came to pass that Madonna got Orbital to re-mix this for her?

thanx loads!
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From: "John Stiteler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) why? ?
Date: 11 Feb 1998 02:56:20 -0500


> From: Morey Gamble <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (orbital) why? ?
> Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 8:39 AM
>
>
> > Yesterday, while I was shopping I found an Orbital cd with the picture
of
> > a bird on front and the word 'why?'. There was no extra information on
the
> > cd, it looked like the Brown album. Is this the brown one ? or maybe a
> > special version ? (I didn't have time to listen to it)
>
>     It's the brown album with the cover inside out.
>
> -Morey

Was there some note of a production problem with the US Brown album, that
covers are sometimes on backwards/inside out?  At a newbury comics (eugh..)
here in Portland there is also one sitting on the shelf in that condition.

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) doing them remixes
Date: 11 Feb 1998 14:33:55 +0100


Say, if I was like, Orbital, and I wanted desperately to do a remix of
Hanson's "Mmm...bop", how the hell would I get into it ? I mean, there's the
questions of vocals alone. I definitely want their vocals over my remix. So,
do I contact them and have them get me a CD with only the vocal version ?
Would I parse the song thru all kinds of torture devices to get the vocals
out of it by myself, or would I get a CD with the samples and all that from
the Hanson's label ? Or is it all maybe in vinyl ? What about instrument
samples ? And after all, when I do the remix and it's absolutely fabulous,
do I have the right to release it ? Or do I have to pray that Hanson's label
decide to publish it ?

I hope you all understood my question(s).


and now for a suggestion...for the next loopz orbital remix competition...
it might be fun if there was a limited set of chosen samples (but plenty of
them) that people could use to make an orbital remix, any track at all --
but if it had to be done with the chosen samples. maybe even P&P would
care choose these. hah !

Daniel
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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Euro Tunnel Disaster 96
Date: 11 Feb 1998 13:54:05 -0000


>Reece wrote
>hey, i was wondering if anyone had any information on this, like why orbital
wrote a
>track about some disaster that they expected to happen a year from when they
wrote
>the track, which almost materialized in what, 95 or 96? soooo, what's it all
about?

well....20 + miles of tunnel underneath god-knows-how many tons of
ocean...it was a brilliant construction which made a lot of brits look
and think...fuck that ...id rather get sea-sick.
They were close though...part of the tunnel set on fire the other year.

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Moreys question regarding Bootleg 12 inch
Date: 11 Feb 1998 14:01:43 -0000


>    I know someone mentioned this a few months back, but I don't think
>any response ever came over it. so here goes. I just bought a 12"
>single for Chime and Belfast that says it was produced by 'P & P
>Martnoll' or something like that. I had just assumed it was a bootleg
>and contented myself with having those songs on vinyl, but when I
>looked at the discography, I noticed that the early orbital singles
>were on Oh-Zone records, and this is also on Oh-Zone records. So, my
>question is, is it a legitimate release or not?

First pressings of Orbital Chime was on Oh-Zone (Loopz waves his at the
mailing list - took me ages to get it so im gonna show it off! :)   ).

If this is a 12 inch that has a yellow inner...with OHZONE RECORDS (cat
OHZ-135AA) then its a bootleg. and it does say Written, Produced & Mixed
By Paul & Phil Martnoll :)

Paul actually brought this to my attention last year after there visit
to New York. he picked up a couple of copies and tried ringing the
number on the vinyl (but it was dead). I managed to grab one from my
primary record contact (cost me 20 pounds!).

So there u go......bootleg!

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine.

p.s. Lazlo....if you want to use this info then dont forget to mention
who the source was :P


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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Us and Uk Green album
Date: 11 Feb 1998 14:06:37 -0000


>AIMEE wrote:
>.  What color is the CD in the US version of the green album?? I have
>the UK version and my CD is silver... but we were talkin in #orbital
>(everybody come join us!) and somebody was saying theirs is red.. but I
>think they had the US version.  I'm confused now.

ok....Uk version is actually red/orange cd with pink CD logo (first
release). Us is red with silver CD logo.
Uk version was repressed again not long ago...with same cat...but it may
have different insides (ho ho)....But what ive got in front of me is US
- red with silver CD and UK - read/orange with pink CD logo

Hope that helps/confuses you more ;)

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Hanson remix
Date: 11 Feb 1998 14:08:56 -0000


>Say, if I was like, Orbital, and I wanted desperately to do a remix of
>Hanson's "Mmm...bop", how the hell would I get into it ? I mean, there's the
>questions of vocals alone. I definitely want their vocals over my remix. So,
>do I contact them and have them get me a CD with only the vocal version ?
>Would I parse the song thru all kinds of torture devices to get the vocals
>out of it by myself, or would I get a CD with the samples and all that from
>the Hanson's label ? Or is it all maybe in vinyl ? What about instrument
>samples ? And after all, when I do the remix and it's absolutely fabulous,
>do I have the right to release it ? Or do I have to pray that Hanson's label
>decide to publish it ?

Id say you would need serious help ... the thought of remixing a Hanson
track is more sickening than sticking hamsters in a bag and <snip>

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Moreys question regarding Bootleg 12 inch
Date: 11 Feb 1998 14:13:59 -0000


>sorry to burst your bubble, but i already infromed him the week it came
>out. it's in the discog already! and besides, the main focal point of it
>being a bootleg is that the original 1st 12" has an exclusive 15.40 full
>length version of Deeper. Yes i own an original too.

Im on about the Paul story....if he wants to use the Paul story. i think
the focal point of the 12 inches is one is original and legit and the
other is a bootleg. Besides the fact that Belfast is also stuck on the
bootleg really throws the theory that they was trying to cover up the
bootleg as the first release of Chime. You cant burst a bubble that is
way out of your reach m8...just remember that ;)

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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Us and Uk Green album
Date: 11 Feb 1998 08:05:35 PST


**
ok....Uk version is actually red/orange cd with pink CD logo (first
release). Us is red with silver CD logo.
Uk version was repressed again not long ago...with same cat...but it may
have different insides (ho ho)....But what ive got in front of me is US-
red with silver CD and UK - read/orange with pink CD logo

Hope that helps/confuses you more ;)
**

Ohmigawd.... ~*~*CONFUSION*~*~  Mine's like matte silver.. and radiating
out from the center like four times or so it says 'ORBITAL'.... in shiny
silver.  That's it.  I'm scanning it.  Oh wait,  it's at home.  I'll do
it tomorrow.  I am TOOO confused.  (And this is why one of my irc
friends has a permanent window with me to stop me from being confused..
*sigh*.. gotta get my memory fixed too)

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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) chime/belfast
Date: 11 Feb 1998 11:28:54 +0000


> From what I've come to believe, this is nothing but a bad bootleg.  I
> was on my yearly vacation in Atlanta last year when I decided to go
> record shopping.  The first store I went into had tons of copies of this
> release. Thats good evidence that it is a bootleg.  I went down the
> street to another record shop and they had shitloads of copies also.
> More proof.  I now wished I had bought it but at the time I didnt see
> any reason to considering the fact that the employees would even admit
> to it being a boot.  Sad case I suppose.

    Like I said, the only reason I haven't passed it off completely is
that it is on Oh-Zone records, which was their first label...

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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) I'm SO confused.
Date: 11 Feb 1998 11:28:54 +0000


> 1.  Does the really heavy harpsichord part in the EP version of the Box
> sound like part of a song out of the video game Castlevania??  I was
> listening to it, and my brother stopped and he was like "that's in a
> video game!"... So, whatever.

    I can see how someone might think that. The music in Castlevania
(at least the original and the SNES version) tends to lean toward
that kind of feel.

> 2.  What color is the CD in the US version of the green album?? I have
> the UK version and my CD is silver... but we were talkin in #orbital
> (everybody come join us!) and somebody was saying theirs is red.. but I
> think they had the US version.  I'm confused now.

    Hmm. I've got both the US and the UK version, and both of mine are
mostly red. The US version is red with most of the lettering being
either black or the color of the cd (that sort of silverish color
that reflects most colors of the spectrum). The UK version is red
with (i think) a sort of pink color for the letters.

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Hanson remix
Date: 11 Feb 1998 17:40:37 +0100


loopz wrote:
+AD4-Id say you would need serious help ... the thought of remixing a Hanson
+AD4-track is more sickening than sticking hamsters in a bag and +ADw-snip+AD4-

hey old man, you're missing the point here. :)  it's the same as if i had
written that i wanted to remix an underworld track and wanted their
vocals over the remix...how do i get the vocals ? just ignore the names
in the original post.

and what the hell do I do with a bag of hamsters ?+ACE-

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Date: 11 Feb 1998 11:53:00 -0500


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     hamsters, dearest, are all wrong. according to legend, richard gere
     used GERBILS.

     christ! yuck!

     if anybody out there watched dawson's creek, please, somebody tell me
     it is possibly worst piece of entertainment in televison history!
     (after the grammy awards)

     as ever,
     *dangergirl*

     __
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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Moreys question regarding Bootleg 12
Date: 11 Feb 1998 12:00:21 +0000


> >sorry to burst your bubble, but i already infromed him the week it came
> >out. it's in the discog already! and besides, the main focal point of it
> >being a bootleg is that the original 1st 12" has an exclusive 15.40 full
> >length version of Deeper. Yes i own an original too.
>
> Im on about the Paul story....if he wants to use the Paul story. i think
> the focal point of the 12 inches is one is original and legit and the
> other is a bootleg. Besides the fact that Belfast is also stuck on the
> bootleg really throws the theory that they was trying to cover up the
> bootleg as the first release of Chime. You cant burst a bubble that is
> way out of your reach m8...just remember that ;)

    Gee, guys, let's all have a fight about this. :)  I knew when I
brought it up that it had been discussed before, and more or less
passed off as a bootleg. I just didn't remember hearing anything
definitive. And I still don't remember seeing it in the discography.
At least, not Steve's. Maybe it is in Lazlo's. I don't really care, I
was just digging for more information, which I got. Case closed, as
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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Us and Uk Green album
Date: 11 Feb 1998 12:00:21 +0000


> Ohmigawd.... ~*~*CONFUSION*~*~  Mine's like matte silver.. and radiating
> out from the center like four times or so it says 'ORBITAL'.... in shiny
> silver.  That's it.  I'm scanning it.  Oh wait,  it's at home.  I'll do
> it tomorrow.  I am TOOO confused.  (And this is why one of my irc
> friends has a permanent window with me to stop me from being confused..
> *sigh*.. gotta get my memory fixed too)

    I only know of one orbital CD that is silver, and it's the Trupak
CD. All it has printed on it is a bit of text.  I guess maybe it's
the new printing that Steve mentioned.  No, wait, that's not true.
The Peel Sessions CD is mostly silver, as well (well, it's the color
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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Hanson remix
Date: 11 Feb 1998 12:00:21 +0000


> >Say, if I was like, Orbital, and I wanted desperately to do a remix of
> >Hanson's "Mmm...bop", how the hell would I get into it ? I mean, there's the
> >questions of vocals alone. I definitely want their vocals over my remix. So,
> >do I contact them and have them get me a CD with only the vocal version ?
> >Would I parse the song thru all kinds of torture devices to get the vocals
> >out of it by myself, or would I get a CD with the samples and all that from
> >the Hanson's label ? Or is it all maybe in vinyl ? What about instrument
> >samples ? And after all, when I do the remix and it's absolutely fabulous,
> >do I have the right to release it ? Or do I have to pray that Hanson's label
> >decide to publish it ?

    Generally, most remixes are set up by the original artist/label
contacting the artist/label who they want to remix their song. I'm
sure that. on occasion, when artists are friendly with other artists,
they will say "Hey, I was thinking of remixing this track of yours.
What do you think?"  Just ask Steve about Rabbit in the Mooon and
'The Sinner'...

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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) hello after a long absence!
Date: 11 Feb 1998 15:07:31 -0500




JL Jones wrote:

> looking forward to interesting and stimulating conversation!
> Jim J.

Me too :)  Just kidding folks... :)

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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Us and Uk Green album
Date: 11 Feb 1998 15:11:05 -0500




Morey Gamble wrote:

> > Ohmigawd.... ~*~*CONFUSION*~*~  Mine's like matte silver.. and radiating
> > out from the center like four times or so it says 'ORBITAL'.... in shiny
> > silver.  That's it.  I'm scanning it.  Oh wait,  it's at home.  I'll do
> > it tomorrow.  I am TOOO confused.  (And this is why one of my irc
> > friends has a permanent window with me to stop me from being confused..
> > *sigh*.. gotta get my memory fixed too)
>
>         I only know of one orbital CD that is silver, and it's the Trupak
> CD. All it has printed on it is a bit of text.  I guess maybe it's
> the new printing that Steve mentioned.  No, wait, that's not true.
> The Peel Sessions CD is mostly silver, as well (well, it's the color
> of the disc itself)

My version of the Green Album is, well, green (the case).  And the CD is as
mentioned above, matte silver and Orbital every 90 degrees (or pi/2 for you rad
folks out there).

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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) doing them remixes
Date: 11 Feb 1998 15:15:59 -0500




Daniel Kasaj wrote:

> Say, if I was like, Orbital, and I wanted desperately to do a remix of
> Hanson's "Mmm...bop", how the hell would I get into it ? I mean, there's the
> questions of vocals alone. I definitely want their vocals over my remix. So,
> do I contact them and have them get me a CD with only the vocal version ?
> Would I parse the song thru all kinds of torture devices to get the vocals
> out of it by myself, or would I get a CD with the samples and all that from
> the Hanson's label ? Or is it all maybe in vinyl ? What about instrument
> samples ? And after all, when I do the remix and it's absolutely fabulous,
> do I have the right to release it ? Or do I have to pray that Hanson's label
> decide to publish it ?
>
> I hope you all understood my question(s).

Toanswer the technical side of this:  Usually the remixer will get the masters
or first gen copies of the masters on DAT (or medium of their choice).  This
means that (in like 99% of cases) they will get the "multitrack" version, not
the mixed versio (what we get).  This means if you don't want the vocals, just
kill the vocal track.  Check out SAWPlus 32 for some wicked software for
multitracking (with wav files).  Just think of "tracked" music, like MODs, etc.
Each instrument (usually) has it's own track.  Don't like one, turn it off.

> and now for a suggestion...for the next loopz orbital remix competition...
> it might be fun if there was a limited set of chosen samples (but plenty of
> them) that people could use to make an orbital remix, any track at all --
> but if it had to be done with the chosen samples. maybe even P&P would
> care choose these. hah !

Ahh, just like tracking competitions.  This is the kinda comp that seperates the
men from the boys ;)  It's mor about your compsition skllls than your
interpretation of their music.  I'd like to hear the results of this.

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Us and Uk Green album
Date: 11 Feb 1998 21:24:16 +0100


D.C., former president of the Degree Party, wrote:
>My version of the Green Album is, well, green (the case).  And the CD is as
>mentioned above, matte silver and Orbital every 90 degrees (or pi/2 for you
rad
>folks out there).


and yeah, it's a fake. the angle between second and third "Orbitral"
(yeah, spelled exactly as on the cd) is 89 and between third and first
91 degrees. don't deny it. i know it, you know it, and the rest of the
people know you have a fake.

don't deny it.

and your fist track is called "belslow" too.

now, DON'T DENY IT. :)

mine's red. 16235-1001-2. dimensionally enhanced with b.a.s.e.

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From: "Curtis d'Entremont" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Us and Uk Green album
Date: 11 Feb 1998 12:30:11 PST


>Ohmigawd.... ~*~*CONFUSION*~*~  Mine's like matte silver.. and
>radiating out from the center like four times or so it says
'ORBITAL'.... in shiny
>silver.  That's it.  I'm scanning it.  Oh wait,  it's at home.  I'll
>do it tomorrow.  I am TOOO confused.  (And this is why one of my irc
>friends has a permanent window with me to stop me from being
>confused.. *sigh*.. gotta get my memory fixed too)


The Canadian Release is what I have and it is the weird one ;)

It is the Matt Grey with Orbital written 4 times radiating from the
center. The track listings are along one "Orbital" and the Copyright is
on the opposite "Orbital" and then there are the ffrr and Compact Disk
Logos in the remaning quadrents.

If anyone really needs to see it bad enough I can scan it....


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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) doing them remixes
Date: 11 Feb 1998 21:59:23 +0100


Danny Col- oh face it, i'm never gonna spell it right on my own - wrote :
>means that (in like 99% of cases) they will get the "multitrack" version,
>not the mixed versio (what we get).  This means if you don't want
>the vocals, just kill the vocal track.  Check out SAWPlus 32 for
>some wicked software for multitracking (with wav files).  Just think
>of "tracked" music, like MODs, etc.
>Each instrument (usually) has it's own track.  Don't like one, turn it off.

OK, for multitracking wave files I'm using Cool Edit Pro.

First group of questions:
Is SAWPlus 32 any better and how do I obtain it to check it out ?
I hope it isn't too large because I have like a 10-15 minute restriction
to internet access (and NO, my mother didn't set this, the crappy-
over-expensive-no-webspace-providing-hamster-bagging-hanson-
remixing ISP did this and i don't even have a clue why i put up with it)

The audio tools that sticked on my drive(s) are the above mentioned
Cool Edit Pro, plus ReCycle, ReBirth, HammerHead and a copy of
FastTracker II (that part of the disk where ft2 is probabbly has tons
of dust on it). I also tried WaveSurgeon and CUTMaster but those
were too damn ugly to work with.

The second group of questions:
How can an ultra-anonymous "remixer" like me get any multitrack
songs to remix out of sheer fun ? Are there any magazines that
give away stuff like this on accompanying CDs ?
And, since I'm not living in a DAT-world (only CDs work for me)
if I get a DAT "drive", are there any releases I could get on DATs ?
Or is it just, like I think, that those are only used before the actual
production, and like, never see the light of day (only serve as
transport around and between the studios) ?

Lot of questions, I expect lot of answers.

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Subject: Re: (orbital) Hanson remix
Date: 11 Feb 1998 15:40:13 -0600 (CST)



>    Generally, most remixes are set up by the original artist/label
>contacting the artist/label who they want to remix their song. I'm
>sure that. on occasion, when artists are friendly with other artists,
>they will say "Hey, I was thinking of remixing this track of yours.
>What do you think?"  Just ask Steve about Rabbit in the Mooon and
>'The Sinner'...

Thats pretty much the way it works. For someone to call up out of the blue
and ask for the song parts so they can remix Hanson or other hideous
pop group, there is like a one 1 and a billion chance that a label is going
to let them do it.....especially if their not mixing it in a perfessional
studio.......no mind you if someone with some clout behind their name like
Orbital, the Crystal Method, or FSOL...it would be a completely different story.
And even if an artist is commisioned to do a remix, that doesn't mean its going
to make its way on to a slab of vinyl. Many a remix is rejected by a label
and even the artist.

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Subject: Re[2]: (orbital) Hanson remix
Date: 11 Feb 1998 16:54:00 -0500


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Thats pretty much the way it works. For someone to call up out of the blue
and ask for the song parts so they can remix Hanson or other hideous
pop group, there is like a one 1 and a billion chance that a label is going
to let them do it.....especially if their not mixing it in a perfessional
studio.......no mind you if someone with some clout behind their name like
Orbital, the Crystal Method, or FSOL...it would be a completely different
story.
And even if an artist is commisioned to do a remix, that doesn't mean its
going
to make its way on to a slab of vinyl. Many a remix is rejected by a label
and even the artist.

ROB

     to use somebody's song for a remix for commercial purposes (in other
     words, you have the money and/or the label back up to release it for
     possible profit), it's entirely in the discretion of the publisher
     (re: the writer). most artists (unless they are all powerful, like
     say, michael "weenie boy" jackson) never really have say on the
     writer's decision. once the song is used for remixing, legally, the
     "remixer" (or whatever you call it) owes the publisher a current base
     rate of .0695 cents per unit sold, depending on how many times the
     remix appears on the album. the rate's going up now in 1998 actually
     (they go up every two years).contacting ASCAP or BMI usually does the
     trick. then a request is put through.

     anyway, that's a business end of it. sorry for blabbering!

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From: Matthew J Abate <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) WSB Tribute Concert
Date: 11 Feb 1998 15:39:42 -0700 (MST)



Thanks to everyone that helped me out with the WS Burroughs info.  For
those of you that don't know, I'm doing a fictitious WS Burroughs Tribute
Concert Post and I needed a list of likely attendees. Here's what I've
got. Please tell me if anyone on this list is dead, broken up, unlikely or
spelled wrong. Oh, and I threw in Underworld and Orbital just for grins.

Bands:

Aerosmith
Lauri Anderson
Bomb the Bass
David Bowie
Disposable Heros of Hiphoprisy
Depeche Mode
Duran Duran
Bob Dylan
Foo Fighters
Live
Paul McCartney
Ministry
Nine Inch Nails
Orbital
Lou Reed
REM
The Soft Machine
Sonic Youth
Spearhead
U2
Underworld
Tool
Frank, Dwezil & Moon Zappa

Readers:

J. G. Ballard
Poppy Z. Brite
Jim Carol
David Dukovney
P. J. Harvey
Karl Hyde
Maynard James Keenan
Malcom McDowell
Gary Snyder
Michael Stype
Tom Waits
Irvine Welsh

Visuals:

Maynard James Keenan
Stanley Kubrick
David Lynch
Tomato
Gus van Sant

Produced by:

David Cronenberg
Stanley Kubrick
David Lynch
Oliver Stone

The event would be August 1-2 in 2000 and held in in Lawerence Kansas.

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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) WSB Tribute Concert
Date: 11 Feb 1998 18:49:48 -0500




Matthew J Abate wrote:

> got. Please tell me if anyone on this list is dead, broken up, unlikely or
> spelled wrong. Oh, and I threw in Underworld and Orbital just for grins.

> The event would be August 1-2 in 2000 and held in in Lawerence Kansas.

 Hmm, well then.  Let me just throw on my glasses of the future ;)

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From: "Anthony W. Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) WSB Tribute Concert
Date: 11 Feb 1998 18:10:02 -0600


Lawrence, KS? HAHAHAH.  That's where I live.

I liked the inclusion of Kubrick....nice touch : )


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Subject: Re: (orbital) WSB Tribute Concert
Date: 11 Feb 1998 18:22:04 -0600 (CST)


On 02/11/98 18:10:02 you wrote:
>
>
>Lawrence, KS? HAHAHAH.  That's where I live.
>

Hahahaha......thats where Burrough's spent his final
years too

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From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) SAW / Re-Mixing Hanson (YUCK!) only if you could make mmmmmm
Date: 11 Feb 1998 20:50:25 -0600


Hey....who made the reference to SAW32 PRO ????  I want to know ALL about
it...

Mail me all the info you possibly can about it!   thanks!
Thank You,
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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Thanks
Date: 11 Feb 1998 19:07:19 PST


Hey guys-
Thanks for all the US vs UK green discussion.. nice to see some action
on the list.  I've had people describe their CD as everything from
'ORANGE' to 'red' to 'pink' to 'deep pink'... which just adds to the
confusion, but that's okay.  Anyway, to whoever said the silver green
albums are fake and that they say 'orbitral'... mine isn't fake, it says
'orbital'..  I guess there's just a canadian version.. 'cuz yeah, my
CD's manufactured and distributed by polygram.  But the track listing is
the same as the UK version.  so.. whatever.

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Subject: Re: Re[2]: (orbital) Hanson remix
Date: 11 Feb 1998 22:53:18 -0600 (CST)



>
>     to use somebody's song for a remix for commercial purposes (in other
>     words, you have the money and/or the label back up to release it for
>     possible profit), it's entirely in the discretion of the publisher
>     (re: the writer). most artists (unless they are all powerful, like
>     say, michael "weenie boy" jackson) never really have say on the
>     writer's decision. once the song is used for remixing, legally, the
>     "remixer" (or whatever you call it) owes the publisher a current base
>     rate of .0695 cents per unit sold, depending on how many times the
>     remix appears on the album.

Thats if the remix isn't commisioned by the label/artist. If the label commsions
a remix, then in most cases the remixing artist is paid and occaisonally either
received a writers credit and if the name is big enough points off of the record
sales.

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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: waving
Date: 11 Feb 1998 22:16:32 PST


**
First pressings of Orbital Chime was on Oh-Zone (Loopz waves his at the
mailing list - took me ages to get it so im gonna show it off! :)  ).
**

Yeah.. well... I'll uhm... wave my.. uh... er... uhm... I know!

(Aimee waves her copy of the soundtrack of le Confessionnal at Steve -
Alison Goldfrapp actually sings WORDS on here and I didn't have to pay
for it 'cuz it's from the library. ha.)

Aimee
PS, if anybody wants to hear her sing..
http://members.tripod.com/~orbitalgirl/bare.ra
That's as much as I could record before my 'puter decided it couldn't
handle anymore.  Sorry.  Don't ask what the thump is at the beginning, I
dunno.

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Subject: (orbital) Re: waving
Date: 11 Feb 1998 22:17:26 PST


**
First pressings of Orbital Chime was on Oh-Zone (Loopz waves his at the
mailing list - took me ages to get it so im gonna show it off! :)  ).
**

Yeah.. well... I'll uhm... wave my.. uh... er... uhm... I know!

(Aimee waves her copy of the soundtrack of le Confessionnal at Steve -
Alison Goldfrapp actually sings WORDS on here and I didn't have to pay
for it 'cuz it's from the library. ha.)

Aimee
PS, if anybody wants to hear her sing..
http://members.tripod.com/~orbitalgirl/bare.ra
That's as much as I could record before my 'puter decided it couldn't
handle anymore.  Sorry.  Don't ask what the thump is at the beginning, I
dunno.

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: waving
Date: 12 Feb 1998 08:40:43 +0100


+AD4-(Aimee waves her copy of the soundtrack of le Confessionnal at Steve -
+AD4-Alison Goldfrapp actually sings WORDS on here and I didn't have to pay
+AD4-for it 'cuz it's from the library. ha.)
+AD4-
+AD4-Aimee
+AD4-PS, if anybody wants to hear her sing..
+AD4-http://members.tripod.com/+AH4-orbitalgirl/bare.ra
+AD4-That's as much as I could record before my 'puter decided it couldn't
+AD4-handle anymore.  Sorry.  Don't ask what the thump is at the beginning, I
+AD4-dunno.


if there's a picture of her in the booklet or anything, feel free to scan it
or post it's barcode number or whatever helps people track it down.

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Leq (hamster friend)
Date: 12 Feb 1998 11:17:04 -0000


>>loopz wrote:
>>>+AD4-Id say you would need serious help ... the thought of remixing a
Hanson
>>>+AD4-track is more sickening than sticking hamsters in a bag and
+ADw-snip+AD4-


>hey old man, you're missing the point here. :)  it's the same as if i had
>written that i wanted to remix an underworld track and wanted their
>vocals over the remix...how do i get the vocals ? just ignore the names
>in the original post.

old man...your right there :)
okay okay...i thought you were coming out that u were a big fan of
Hanson :)
To my knowledge...im sure it may be different for other groups...but if
u have been given the task of remixing summit...they give u the
works...the whole bank of samples and script files. Hope this is what u
meant this time.

>and what the hell do I do with a bag of hamsters ?+ACE-

Sorry about that...its an ongoing joke at work at the moment...i wont
say anymore...i may offend a few people.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) The ultimate Remix story
Date: 12 Feb 1998 11:05:33 +0100


Rob wrote:

>If the label commsions a remix, then in most cases the remixing artist is paid and occaisonally either received a writers credit and if the name is big enough points off of the record sales.

That reminds me of a story I read somewhere.... Richie Aphex Twin was commissioned to do a Lemonheads remix for single release ages ago (when they were still famous) 'cos Evan Dildo was apparently a big fan. Mr Aphex completely forgot about it until one morning a motorbike courier came to pick up the masters from his house... thinking quickly, ol' Polygon told the bloke to wait 'until he found it - it's a terrible mess'..... while he nipped upstairs, played the speeded-up track through the mixer and played the sound of a dripping tap he'd got from somewhere with analague distort through the deck as well. Ten minutes later he handed over the tapes and got a nice cheque for twelve THOUSAND quid.

And the daft bastards at PolyGram or whoever RELEASED IT THE NEXT WEEK.

Just goes to show... reputation counts for a lot as well. As I recall, Sir Twin couldn't believe his luck either

Have another Day

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From: Jim Laser <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: remixing from separate tracks
Date: 12 Feb 1998 08:07:03 -0500


anybody out there [steve :)] know what happened with the real remix
competition put on by orbital for what was to be the second single from
Sniv?  i remember the separate audio files were available for download
(maybe from hyperreal; my memory is shoddy) and they were supposed to be
combined and whatever and submitted.  the winning remix was supposed to
be included on the next single.  i think i remember even seeing an add
in billboard or rolling stone about this.

did orbital ever get any remixes from people?  what happened to them?
etc.  just give me the lowdown.

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Fw: Nondeliverable mail
Date: 12 Feb 1998 11:02:40 +0100


------Transcript of session follows -------
Connection to p2.isdn.net.il with Ip Address 192.115.104.72
failed from isdn.net.il-192.115.104.72
[e-mail]


--> this is the email I tried to send to Udi / Chump <--

>http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/s.jpg

my msie4 refuses to get this one, saying that the scripts
on the page have fault...how can they have fault when
they're not pages, but a single file ? stupid microsoft.
Anyway, about the Sniv pic, you're pretty lucky to have
such a painting. Is that a photo of the painting hanging on
the wall ? If it is..I can just say... WHOA.
bye,

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) remixes
Date: 12 Feb 1998 00:45:53 -0800


legally, the
> > > >     "remixer" (or whatever you call it) owes the publisher a current base
> > > >     rate of .0695 cents per unit sold, depending on how many times the
> > > >     remix appears on the album.
> > >
> > > Thats if the remix isn't commisioned by the label/artist. If the label commsions
> > > a remix, then in most cases the remixing artist is paid and occaisonally either
> > > received a writers credit and if the name is big enough points off of the record
> > > sales.
> > >
> > > ROB
> > >
> > I'd like to add that you have to have permission from the owner of
> > the sound recording in any remix which contains samples of vocals or
> > anything from the original recording.
> > What the .0695 cents is for is when you COVER a song, which means you
> > re-record the song without any portion of the original recording.
> > Of course, most people remix for thier own enjoyment as opposed to
> > profit, it's the only way to learn how to make proficient remixes.
> > It's a very complex legal area since no one will really care if you
> > remix thier song if no one likes your remix, it's ironic that you
> > would only get into trouble once it's good enough to get people's
> > attention and perhaps sells a few copies. Then you're busted.
> > I'd also like to say that whoever it was that used Hanson as an
> > example should be leaving this list in shame just for mentioning them.
> > Or is that too harsh?
> >
> > DJ Elmer
> > Radio Free Underground
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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Knowles)
Subject: (orbital) FZ
Date: 12 Feb 1998 12:29:47 -0500 (EST)


i couldn't help but mention that frank zappa is dead.

which is quite a shame in itself.

damn good musician.

that's all.

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Subject: Re: (orbital) remixes
Date: 12 Feb 1998 12:32:00 -0500


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> >
> > What the .0695 cents is for is when you COVER a song, which means you
> > re-record the song without any portion of the original recording.
> > Of course, most people remix for thier own enjoyment as opposed to
> > profit, it's the only way to learn how to make proficient remixes.
> > It's a very complex legal area since no one will really care if you
> > remix thier song if no one likes your remix, it's ironic that you
> > would only get into trouble once it's good enough to get people's
> > attention and perhaps sells a few copies. Then you're busted.
> > I'd also like to say that whoever it was that used Hanson as an
> > example should be leaving this list in shame just for mentioning them.
> > Or is that too harsh?


     my knowledge is mostly from a publishing point of view, sorry if i
     mixed anyone up! when we make deals for samples here, it's not always
     covered by the statutory rate clause. sometimes we'll issue a one-time
     sizable advance (the company i work for has alot of hip hop and we get
     tons of sample usage) to the publisher to get them out of our hair for
     good, or offer them their own special rate per unit just to get to use
     it. it really depends on how good your lawyer is...haha
     though i don't condone listening to hanson, if i were a thirteen year
     old girl they would be the dreamiest boys in the world...*sigh*
     but, seeing that i'm old enough to be the teen mother of the youngest,
     i'll put that kinky thought aside...


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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Hanson remix
Date: 12 Feb 1998 13:32:47 +0000


> And even if an artist is commisioned to do a remix, that doesn't mean its going
> to make its way on to a slab of vinyl. Many a remix is rejected by a label
> and even the artist.

    Take, for example, the Orb Remix of U2's Numb. (at least, I think it
was numb.) Anyway, they were asked by U2 to remix it, and then U@
didn't like the result, so they didn't release it.


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From: KELL SIMON <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) other lists - dnb, ambient, idm etc
Date: 12 Feb 1998 14:15:42 -0500


Does anyone on this list know of other lists like this one which cover not
just particular artists but forms of music?  please let me know if you
know any which focus on dnb, ambient, idm, or other forms of electronic
music.
thanks much
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Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: remixing from separate tracks
Date: 12 Feb 1998 15:28:59 -0600 (CST)


On 02/12/98 08:07:03 you wrote:
>
>
>anybody out there [steve :)] know what happened with the real remix
>competition put on by orbital for what was to be the second single from
>Sniv?  i remember the separate audio files were available for download
>(maybe from hyperreal; my memory is shoddy) and they were supposed to be
>combined and whatever and submitted.  the winning remix was supposed to
>be included on the next single.  i think i remember even seeing an add
>in billboard or rolling stone about this.
>
>did orbital ever get any remixes from people?  what happened to them?
>etc.  just give me the lowdown.

From someone who downloaded the samples to try to attempt a mix with them,
they were very poorly recorded and pretty much un-usable. The contest was
kinda hokey too ....it said you couldn't bring in any outside sound sources
to use in the mix......then whats the point of remixing the bugger if its
going to sound the same ?

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From: [e-mail] (Don Thompson)
Subject: (orbital) PLEASE READ THIS!!
Date: 12 Feb 1998 19:04:12 -0600


Hey all,
               My computer went crazy and deleted all of the files in my
Inbox...so anything that I was sent from the Orbital mailing list is
gone.  I'm really not sure if any of these messages were directed to me,
but if they were, please send them again. I was still waiting for a reply
from Steve and Digger....so if either of you e-mailed me, I probably lost
it.....sorry about this.....

Thanks,
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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) le confessionnal
Date: 12 Feb 1998 19:55:53 PST


**
if there's a picture of her in the booklet or anything, feel free to
scan it or post it's barcode number or whatever helps people track it
down.
**

No pic of her.. but... the CD's on Attic Records, catalog number ACD
1436.  Track listing:
1.  "le confessionnal theme" (dialogue) -- sacha puttnam
2.  "blues serenade" -- sarah vaughan
3.  "aftermath" -- tricky
4.  "le confessionnal theme" (variation) -- sacha puttnam
5.  "waiting for the night" -- depeche mode
6.  "dark rupture" -- count basie
7.  "bare" -- stefan girardet / alison goldfrapp
8.  "numbed in moscow" -- portishead
9.  "the flyover" -- sacha puttnam
10. "policy of truth" -- depeche mode
11. "mane" -- stefan girardet / alison goldfrapp
12. "blue and sentimental" -- count basie
13. "the unravelling" (end title theme) -- sacha puttnam

Aimee

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From: "Baby Diddy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: Message Bounce: Subject: (orbital) Mail??
Date: 13 Feb 1998 02:54:13 -0000




>> I've done this and I normally get a postcard before new releases - =
>> definitely for The Saint and Times Fly.  Probably a few others too.
>> =20
>> BABY DIDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey everyone:
>> Has anyone ever mailed out that fill in-response thing that you get in=20
>> Orbital cd's?  Or have you sent a SAE to the Orbital address for=20
>> merchandise info.?
>> Do you get anything?  One of my friends did it and he got nothing at=20
>> all.  Of course, he did the e-mail thing.
>> Mehul
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Subject: (orbital) No subject given
Date: 13 Feb 1998 08:00:25 -0600



     Hi all-

     I didn't want to post this to everyone, but I can't seem to get
     through to majordomo. Anyway, my email address is changing to
     [e-mail]

     I am starting my own freelance graphic design firm and quitting the
     law firm. YIPPEE.

     Wish me luck
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From: sheu sum <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Us and Uk Green album
Date: 14 Feb 1998 00:19:58 +0800 (SST)


At 03:11 PM 2/11/98 -0500, Danny Colquhoun wrote:
>
>>         I only know of one orbital CD that is silver, and it's the Trupak
>> CD. All it has printed on it is a bit of text.  I guess maybe it's
>> the new printing that Steve mentioned.  No, wait, that's not true.
>> The Peel Sessions CD is mostly silver, as well (well, it's the color
>> of the disc itself)
>
>My version of the Green Album is, well, green (the case).  And the CD is as
>mentioned above, matte silver and Orbital every 90 degrees (or pi/2 for you rad
>folks out there).

and mine is green with the CD in black on red/orangie background

>
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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) other lists - dnb, ambient, idm etc
Date: 13 Feb 1998 16:48:41 +0000


At 14:15 12/2/98 -0500, KELL SIMON wrote:
>
>Does anyone on this list know of other lists like this one which cover not
>just particular artists but forms of music?  please let me know if you
>know any which focus on dnb, ambient, idm, or other forms of electronic
>music.

Well, there's idm, based at hyperreal (dunno the full address), which is
self-explanatory. I hope you've got plenty of time to read all the mail
though... :-)

cheers,
Jon

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From: brian lorraine <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) ravin' to orital
Date: 14 Feb 1998 05:04:37 -0500 (EST)



was at a rave just this morning.. heh dsgakjl <falls asleep at the
keyboard> the last dj was doing some weird shit..

then i heard this familira DAdadadaDAdadadaaa da daaa da daaa..
holy shit. that was chime by orbital

hehe mixed in with some jungle.. that kicked mucho ass.. whiiped out the
glowstick nanchakkkkoooooz and went berserk ehhe

peace,
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Subject: (orbital) lost mail
Date: 14 Feb 1998 07:16:44 -0600


ahem...

i hate messages like these and am sorry i have to send it...  if anyone has
sent anything to me in the past day, please resend it...  i lost uncounted
hours of traffic due to a problem with my ISPs mail server....  I apologize
to everyone for the crosspost...  please don't shoot me...

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From: [e-mail] (Don Thompson)
Subject: (orbital) A quick question
Date: 14 Feb 1998 20:50:09 -0600


Hey,
         I was just sitting here and wondering....do CD's have "Parental
Advisory: Explicit Lyrics" stickers on them in England???? I hope someone
can clear this up! Also, I have some cool news...I went to a record show
today, and was surprised to find Satan Live 1 and Satan Live 2...for
$5.00 each....that's a much better price than I've seen anywhere else,
and I picked up the only copies I could find....well...I'll be awaiting
any comments.

Thanks,
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From: Frederic Fournier <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) hi...
Date: 15 Feb 1998 03:36:16 -0500 (EST)



Just a little delurking message...

I love Orbital, and my favorite song is definitly "Attached" from
Snivilisation! It is simply amazing. I haven't found anything that beats
it for me, no matter how hard I try.

God, this list feels traficked, I keep receiving new messages! *cool* :)

Hmm I think that anyone who likes Orbital and especially this particular
song might want to check out these groups... Autechre, FSOL,
Underworld... And of course, Jean-Michel Jarre, especially his two most
recent albums, Chronologie and Oxygene7-13.

Any other suggestions for me to explore?

Derf

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) parental advisory
Date: 15 Feb 1998 13:38:06 +0000


At 20:50 14/2/98 -0600, Don Thompson wrote:
>
>Hey,
>         I was just sitting here and wondering....do CD's have "Parental
>Advisory: Explicit Lyrics" stickers on them in England???? I hope someone
>can clear this up!

Yes, though I think not all those that perhaps should (eg. David Holmes'
last album DID, but 2K's 'Fuck the millenium' didn't).



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From: Scott Sandau <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Tribal Gathering
Date: 11 Feb 1998 06:43:36 -0500


I caught a part of a clip from TV about a get together called Tribal
Gathering. When is it and where is it, and will they be doing it again
this year? It was amazing!!!!
Also, does anyone know who I should contact about getting a video of it
(Much Music or MTV), or is there a video of it for sale????
Thanks.
Scott




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) I got it recorded...
Date: 15 Feb 1998 16:58:17 EST


I was up at one last night, or should I say this morning, I was tired but I
wanted to see Amp, so I set me VCR to record and fell into sleep. I woke up
the next morning and popped in the tape. And geuss what I saw?
The video for Halcyon!!!!!!! slick.
I heard someone say its a bitch to see, but I now own a copy.
HA!!!!!!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) 2k / Non Orbital
Date: 16 Feb 1998 00:17:35 EST


     Im sure that this single has come up in conversation on this list, but I
havent been on for about 6 months so Im kinda out of it.  How difficult is it
to find the single of 2k F**k the Millenium in the different areas of the
globe?  I got mine fairly easily on a budget rack, and from the sounds of it ,
thats where they intended it to be.  Its not very good, and while listening I
keep asking myself:  Are these the same geniuses that orchestrated the album
Chill Out??  Too rebellius for my taste :)
     On the other hand we have our favorite (Orbital) which continues to evade
mass American hype (which I love), while being in virtually every MTV
background music segment and still continue to create newer, more innovative
productions.  Yes there are many more on this list than only a year and a half
ago.  But they have discovered Orbital and have pursued their interest this
far!(and sometimes sifting through over 40 messages per day can be a pain).
Someone once said on this list ( I believe it was Steve 'Loopz' Price) that
there is one thing common amongst Orbital fans...  "We all love their music
very passionately."
Well, Ive caught up on a couple of months worth of rantings,  any
perspectives?

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:14:48 +0100
Date: 16 Feb 1998 08:13:55 -0700


I have an extra copy of Olive's "Extra Virgin" album for
sale or (preferrably) trade. Talk to me if you're interested.

Daniel
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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 2k / Non Orbital
Date: 16 Feb 1998 13:34:29 +0000


>      Im sure that this single has come up in conversation on this list, but I
> havent been on for about 6 months so Im kinda out of it.  How difficult is it
> to find the single of 2k F**k the Millenium in the different areas of the
> globe?  I got mine fairly easily on a budget rack, and from the sounds of it ,
> thats where they intended it to be.  Its not very good, and while listening I
> keep asking myself:  Are these the same geniuses that orchestrated the album
> Chill Out??  Too rebellius for my taste :)

    I found F*ck the millenium at a crappy little indie record store
here a coupla months ago, and yes, it was pretty lousy. This store is
generally pretty crappy, but they were the only store in town to have
the new Goldie the day it came out. (Of course I also got the Times
Fly 12", Dead Cities 12", and the Orb Tripping on Sunshine 12"
there..)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) wot's this
Date: 16 Feb 1998 14:40:00 -0500


i haven't heard of this yet, but is it anything new and/or exclusive?
SPIRITUAL VIBES - VARIOUS INC REMIXES BY ORBITAL/UNDERWOCD


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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) The "REAL" Orbital remix
Date: 15 Feb 1998 17:45:57 -0000


>anybody out there [steve :)] know what happened with the real remix
>competition put on by orbital for what was to be the second single from
>Sniv?  i remember the separate audio files were available for download
>(maybe from hyperreal; my memory is shoddy) and they were supposed to be
>combined and whatever and submitted.  the winning remix was supposed to
>be included on the next single.  i think i remember even seeing an add
>in billboard or rolling stone about this.
>did orbital ever get any remixes from people?  what happened to them?
>etc.  just give me the lowdown.

This was NEVER backed by Orbital. There was a company in the US that
decided to host a remix by supplying a bunch of Crash and Carry samples.
I actually asked Paul about this a few year back....as i wanted to get
these samples and also find out what u are asking. He said that he had a
few people asking about this...and never knew jack shit about it.
I remember getting the host address that did the samples and contacting
them...they stated that the samples were long gone and had no further
comment as to what happened to the enteries.

There is only one REAL Orbital remix competition...

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: [e-mail] (STARpango)
Subject: Re: (orbital) 2k / Not Non Orbital
Date: 16 Feb 1998 07:37:17 -0500



>Speaking of all this, I heard some murmuring about a new orbital (and new
>underworld) album due early this year.  Can anyone indicate that this is
>indeed true?
>
>[e-mail]

underworld is supposed to have their album out in march and april at the
very latest.  this months MIXMAG (UK edition) had a clip about P&P saying
that they are still in the studio but have finished 8 tracks.  they also
noted that this new album is a lot of "four to the floor" stuff which
excites me greatly!!,

STARp


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From: [e-mail] (STARpango)
Subject: Re: (orbital) Tribal Gathering
Date: 16 Feb 1998 07:42:56 -0500


>
>I caught a part of a clip from TV about a get together called Tribal
>Gathering. When is it and where is it, and will they be doing it again
>this year? It was amazing!!!!
>Also, does anyone know who I should contact about getting a video of it
>(Much Music or MTV), or is there a video of it for sale????
>Thanks.
>Scott
i know someone can answer this without you buying anything but in this
months MIXMAG (uk edition) there was a full page ad for it.  my memory is a
little rough but i think it was May 1,2,and 3. 1998.  not sure about that.
the logo for this year's event is very cool.

STARp


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From: "Anthony W. Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 2k / Not Non Orbital
Date: 16 Feb 1998 18:11:15 -0600


>underworld is supposed to have their album out in march and april at the
>very latest.  this months MIXMAG (UK edition) had a clip about P&P saying
>that they are still in the studio but have finished 8 tracks.  they also
>noted that this new album is a lot of "four to the floor" stuff which
>excites me greatly!!,


Hey Star, I thought you left the list.

I'm sorry to sound ignorant....but what exactly does "four to the floor"
mean?  Does that mean it will be more aggressive or perhaps more "dancey"?

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From: ed naylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Tribal Gathering
Date: 16 Feb 1998 11:02:19 -0500 (EST)



On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 06:43:36 -0500 Scott Sandau <[e-mail]>
wrote:
 >
> I caught a part of a clip from TV about a get together called Tribal
> Gathering. When is it and where is it, and will they be doing it again
> this year? It was amazing!!!!

Yes, it was good (especially Kraftwerk) and yes, "they" are doing
it again at Knebworth on the weekend of May 23-24 (this is a
holiday weekend here in Britain).  It's going to be more of a
mini-festival than an all-nighter this time with people camping
and stuff, which rules me out (I have exams that week anyway). The
Brighton Essential festival is also scheduled for that weekend I
believe ..

Instead of TG I shall be going to "Creamfields" which is the
alternative all-nighter that is being run by the mighty Cream
organisation based here in Liverpool, and takes place on the
preceding holiday weekend at the start of May. Only found out on
Saturday night that it's being held in deepest, darkest Winchester
though which is a drawback, and I don't know anything about the
line-up yet but with Cream's reputation for delivering the goods,
I reckon it will be an event to remember.

Don't know of a CD or video of last year's TG - MTV showed a lot
of clips and Radio One broadcast a lot, so someone may have some
tapes they could lend you.

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From: STARpango <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) four to the floor
Date: 16 Feb 1998 19:28:33 -0500 (EST)


reply to Agee:

nope i've been here the whole time, never left :) as for "four to the
floor"  it means it some dancey music in 4/4 time for you music buffs.
just like double eight is what DJ's drop jungle and dnb at!!!! it's easy
for the body to dance to 4/4 and 8/8 than lets 3/4 time.  ah DIGGER i don't
think your going to fly to england to go to TG  but i'll get you the info
anyway :)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) four to the floor
Date: 16 Feb 1998 18:48:55 -0600 (CST)


On 02/16/98 19:28:33 you wrote:
>
>
>reply to Agee:
>
>nope i've been here the whole time, never left :) as for "four to the
>floor"  it means it some dancey music in 4/4 time for you music buffs.
>just like double eight is what DJ's drop jungle and dnb at!!!! it's easy
>for the body to dance to 4/4 and 8/8 than lets 3/4 time.

Unless your waltzing ;)

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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Paul Hartnoll in Mixmag
Date: 16 Feb 1998 23:39:31 -0800


You know speaking of the current issue of Mixmag, has anyone seen the
pic on page 31 that is captioned as being Paul Hartnoll?  Is this really
him?  The face looks somewhat like his but it looks like the hair
standing up on top of his hair was digitally added. Steve?

.MatthewFord.
Still very pissed about the fact that the electronic music section he
runs was changed to Electronica just as he was going to propose a change
from its current title which was "dance"


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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) RESEND - Orbital REMIX Competition - the old one
Date: 17 Feb 1998 07:45:59 -0000


>anybody out there [steve :)] know what happened with the real remix
>competition put on by orbital for what was to be the second single from
>Sniv?  i remember the separate audio files were available for download
>(maybe from hyperreal; my memory is shoddy) and they were supposed to be
>combined and whatever and submitted.  the winning remix was supposed to
>be included on the next single.  i think i remember even seeing an add
>in billboard or rolling stone about this.
>did orbital ever get any remixes from people?  what happened to them?
>etc.  just give me the lowdown.

This was NEVER backed by Orbital. There was a company in the US that
decided to host a remix by supplying a bunch of Crash and Carry samples.
I actually asked Paul about this a few year back....as i wanted to get
these samples and also find out what u are asking. He said that he had a
few people asking about this...and never knew jack shit about it.
I remember getting the host address that did the samples and contacting
them...they stated that the samples were long gone and had no further
comment as to what happened to the enteries.

There is only one REAL Orbital remix competition...

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine
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From: STARpango <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) re: Paul Hartnoll in Mixmag
Date: 17 Feb 1998 08:21:51 -0500 (EST)


oh yeh it's paul alright!!!!  i think he's leaving the bald look behind
either that or it's just the wintertime du. i thought the interview with
Robert Miles was worth buying it this month, not like i wouldn't buy it
anyway.......

STAR p

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) RE: Paul Hartnoll in Mixmag
Date: 17 Feb 1998 13:37:46 -0000


Not many people realise that Paul Hartnoll has had hair from 1993 - He
does shave it short but he hasnt been bald for years.....unlike Phil
(ive never seen him with Hair - has anyone!).
But...yes...that picture....quite funny....he looks pissed up for a
change :)

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine
www.rise.co.uk/orbital

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>
>You know speaking of the current issue of Mixmag, has anyone seen the
>pic on page 31 that is captioned as being Paul Hartnoll?  Is this really
>him?  The face looks somewhat like his but it looks like the hair
>standing up on top of his hair was digitally added. Steve?
>
>.MatthewFord.
>Still very pissed about the fact that the electronic music section he
>runs was changed to Electronica just as he was going to propose a change
>from its current title which was "dance"
>


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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) A London Shopping List
Date: 17 Feb 1998 10:14:52 -0800


Hey,

Can anyone in the UK, especially London, tell me approximately how much the
following CD's would cost there and the availability of them.  I have a
friend going to London during Spring Break and I'm getting him to buy me
some cd's.  He will most likely not be visiting underground shops so what
are the main stores like?

Autechre - Incanubula
Autechre - Basscadet EP
Orbital - Halcyon EP
Orbital - Are We Here EP
B12 - Time Tourist

thanx for any help.
cya
morpheus



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me
Date: 17 Feb 1998 13:34:00 -0500



     hi, y'all. how was everyone's valentine's day? putrid?

     well, i finally saw hackers on cable two nights ago. i thought i was
     going to dismiss it, but actually liked it alot. it was a better movie
     than some of the schlock i'd had to sit through recently.  but, my
     question was, do people like this still really exist? i mean, are
     there some geniuses still running around causing trouble or have there
     been clean outs in recent years? this is all pretty fascinating to me,
     considering i barely squeaked by learning computers in high school.
     and back then, all we used were these teeny baby macs.

     ok, lata. you're all so quiet today...


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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Online shopping
Date: 17 Feb 1998 10:57:50 PST


Hey guys-
www.musicshop.co.uk... anybody shopped through them before??  Know
anything about them??  They seem to have pretty good prices.. I could
get the Radiccio Ep, Midnight and Lush for ú15.80 with the shipping
included... is this good? bad? ugly?

Aimee

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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 2k / Not Non Orbital
Date: 17 Feb 1998 15:37:04 +0000


> I'm sorry to sound ignorant....but what exactly does "four to the floor"
> mean?  Does that mean it will be more aggressive or perhaps more "dancey"?

    It generally refers to house music where the kick drum hits on every
quarter note, therefore four times per measure. the 'on the floor'
is, I think, a reference to how easily danceable this style of beat
tends to make a song. (Think 'Boom Boom Boom Boom Boom Boom Boom
Boom' )

-Morey





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Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me
Date: 17 Feb 1998 15:06:11 -0600 (CST)


On 02/17/98 13:34:00 you wrote:
>
>
>
>     hi, y'all. how was everyone's valentine's day? putrid?

That about sums it up ......stupid Hallmark holiday.

>     well, i finally saw hackers on cable two nights ago. i thought i was
>     going to dismiss it, but actually liked it alot. it was a better movie
>     than some of the schlock i'd had to sit through recently.  but, my
>     question was, do people like this still really exist? i mean, are
>     there some geniuses still running around causing trouble or have there
>     been clean outs in recent years? this is all pretty fascinating to me,
>     considering i barely squeaked by learning computers in high school.
>     and back then, all we used were these teeny baby macs.

I don't think to that level but there are tons of geeks out there busting into
other people's servers, planting viruses and causing havoc.

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From: Sean Granger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me
Date: 17 Feb 1998 19:51:53 -0600


[e-mail] wrote:
>
>
>      well, i finally saw hackers on cable two nights ago. i thought i was
>      going to dismiss it, but actually liked it alot. it was a better movie
>      than some of the schlock i'd had to sit through recently.  but, my
>      question was, do people like this still really exist? i mean, are
>      there some geniuses still running around causing trouble or have there
>      been clean outs in recent years? this is all pretty fascinating to me,
>      considering i barely squeaked by learning computers in high school.
>      and back then, all we used were these teeny baby macs.

its mostly pirates *glance to Leqash, and a grin*, rippers: record
company pisser-offers who take music from cds/tapes/etc. and make MPEG 1
Layer 3 Audio (.MP3) files with it (only HALF the quality, if you wanna
call CDs "quality", as a CD, though it is a good way to see if you want
to buy something) and then there are people who live by the REAL meaning
of hacker....they're the psychos that bring you new technology and the
freaks that seem to know every nook and cranny of the newest
software/hardware out, they're the people who run your corporate
networks, the stereotypically (though not actually) geeky people who
stay up all hours of the night tweaking away at their favorite OS's
(usually Linux, Solaris, HP/UX or some other rad variant of Unix)
processes. The age of breaking into systems may be over, but the hacker
still survives....

--
ITS ALL ABOUT THE BEAT

Sean
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Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me
Date: 17 Feb 1998 21:07:26 EST


>>
>>     hi, y'all. how was everyone's valentine's day? putrid?
>
>That about sums it up ......stupid Hallmark holiday.

my sentiments exactly.  y'know something's gone terribly commercially wrong
when on the radio they are trying to sell auto parts for valentine's day.  no
joke.  "this valentine's day, buy your sweetie a set of new brake pads or
shock absorbers..."

>>but, my
>>     question was, do people like this still really exist?

yes, but i'd venture to say that there are probably very few havoc-causing-
genius-kids who hang out at nightclubs all the time, go everywhere on in-line
skates, wear designer stylish sunglasses and gear, and are so incredibly
glamorous and teen-magazine-polished-looking as those kids in the movie.
that's the thing that bugged me the most about the movie- too much glamour and
excitement in a relatively unglamorous and less eventful activity.... what
say?

-Aaron

t h e s p e c t r e w e b
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From: Michael Ash <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Valentines day
Date: 17 Feb 1998 21:32:08 -0600 (CST)


Are all of you people so cynical about love?  You shouldn't look at it as a
chore or a burden to do something special for the person you are in love
with one.  It's a day set aside to go that extra mile and show someone how
much you love them, and you can easily do so without spending alot of money
on assorted cheesy merchandise.  I realize that alot of people don't have a
true love, and thus get all pissy when Valentine's day rolls around--i used
to be the same way--but when you are truly in love it is a very special day
indeed.

Mike the hopeless romantics

flame away, any of you pissed-off cynical individuals put off by the
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From: Kerry Marek <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me
Date: 17 Feb 1998 22:59:34 -0500 (EST)


On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 [e-mail] wrote:

> >>but, my
> >>     question was, do people like this still really exist?
>
> yes, but i'd venture to say that there are probably very few havoc-causing-
> genius-kids who hang out at nightclubs all the time, go everywhere on in-line
> skates, wear designer stylish sunglasses and gear, and are so incredibly
> glamorous and teen-magazine-polished-looking as those kids in the movie.
> that's the thing that bugged me the most about the movie- too much glamour and
> excitement in a relatively unglamorous and less eventful activity.... what
> say?

i saw hackers along with everyone... it was definitely unrealistic in the
way the actors lived thier lives, but admit it... if the movie portrayed
real hackers (no offense), the ones that sit all day in front of their
computers not getting a tan or going out, would you watch the movie?

just my thoughts...

oh, i never introduced myself to the list... i'm kerry. and i like
orbital... i was truned onto em last spring and saw em once at
lollapoluza.

this is a cool list... i'm getting tons of info.  thanks.

Kerry...
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From: brian lorraine <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me
Date: 17 Feb 1998 23:46:05 -0500 (EST)



gasp and u didnt tell em who introduced to to orbital? HEHEH >:P


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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me
Date: 18 Feb 1998 08:18:42 +0100


Sean Granger wrote:
>its mostly pirates *glance to Leqash, and a grin*, rippers: record
>company pisser-offers who take music from cds/tapes/etc. and make MPEG 1
>Layer 3 Audio (.MP3) files with it (only HALF the quality, if you wanna
>call CDs "quality", as a CD, though it is a good way to see if you want
>to buy something) and then there are people who live by the REAL meaning
>of hacker....they're the psychos that bring you new technology and the


Oi ?! Whatcha lookin at me for ? :) I never sold a single copy of any
software in my whole life ! Not paying for the software you get is one
thing, and pirating is a completely different matter. And that DOES
include layer three files.

Anyway, the word 'hacker' or 'hackers' doesn't stand just for kids who
break in large systems, but for people that are advanced in using their
computers, getting their knowledge in simple trial-and-error procedures.
What it means is that noone helps them, noone shows them what to do,
and they certainly don't read manauals or books. Maybe readme files,
but that only after a couple of days of frustration. :)

And...I didn't like the movie all that much. Angelina Jolie looks
far better in "Anybody seen my baby" :) [no accusations please,
I don't even like the Rolling Stones]

Daniel
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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me
Date: 18 Feb 1998 00:01:44 -0800


Daniel Kasaj wrote:
>
> Sean Granger wrote:
> >its mostly pirates *glance to Leqash, and a grin*, rippers: record
> >company pisser-offers who take music from cds/tapes/etc. and make MPEG 1
> >Layer 3 Audio (.MP3) files with it (only HALF the quality, if you wanna
> >call CDs "quality", as a CD, though it is a good way to see if you want
> >to buy something) and then there are people who live by the REAL meaning
> >of hacker....they're the psychos that bring you new technology and the
>
> Oi ?! Whatcha lookin at me for ? :) I never sold a single copy of any
> software in my whole life ! Not paying for the software you get is one
> thing, and pirating is a completely different matter. And that DOES
> include layer three files.
>
> Anyway, the word 'hacker' or 'hackers' doesn't stand just for kids who
> break in large systems, but for people that are advanced in using their
> computers, getting their knowledge in simple trial-and-error procedures.
> What it means is that noone helps them, noone shows them what to do,
> and they certainly don't read manauals or books. Maybe readme files,
> but that only after a couple of days of frustration. :)

This almost complete BS. Not that I want to start a flame war with you
or anything because up to this point Ive respected everything youve
posted.  Being a hacker DOES NOT mean that noone gives you help in
learning the so called forbidden ins and outs of technology.  The main
reason hackers havent died out is because of the hacker COMMUNITY.
Working together not only for a free information society but for a
greater understanding.    It is shit to say that most hackers never read
manually and always learn by trial and error because hackers pride them
selves in gaining access to forbidden systems but in gaining access to
the also forbidden manuals and documents on those systems.  Let it be
known that even though hackers are "known" to be crude to new comers
they also understand that without these newcomers, their kind would die.
All of this refers to what most call REAL HACKERS and NOT criminals who
employ hacker techniques in order to rip people off while making a
profit for themselves.

As for the movie "Hackers", I pretty much despised it.  The music was
great (ultimatly, I credit it to introducing me to the Hartnolls).  The
only truly believable characters were Lord Nikon and Emmanuel
Goldstein(Cereal Killer).  For those that dont know, these are the names
of real hackers.  The real life Emmanuel is the founder and editor in
chief of 2600 magazine:The Hacker Quarterly. Does his name sound
familiar?  Read 1984.

Dont be mad.  Just callin em like I see 'em.

.MatthewFord.
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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me
Date: 18 Feb 1998 11:09:27 +0100


[e-mail] wrote:
>Working together not only for a free information society but for a
>greater understanding. It is shit to say that most hackers never read
>manually and always learn by trial and error because hackers pride them
>selves in gaining access to forbidden systems but in gaining access to
>the also forbidden manuals and documents on those systems.

this is completely true. but you see, to be able to write those
forbidden manuals, you have to be a hacker too (or maybe you can just
collect a bunch of docs and re-write and summarize them in a manual).
now, it doesn't mean that you gained the knowledge all by yourself,
but you almost certainly added a couple of your own tricks there.
This is hacking - having the courage, intuition and the idea to try
something people around you didn't. You can be a hacker if you can
break in a massive USAF computer, but also if you got so frustrated
and edited your savegame file to read large amounts of money, in a
disk editor back in the old DOS times. In my previous post I was
reffering to things like that one. Hackers by all means have
communities, and the knowledge and information definitely should be
passed on. It was my mistake to try and define hackers in so little
words, but nowdays the term really got branched out and you can't
possibly capture all the directions it's headed.

>Dont be mad.  Just callin em like I see 'em.

No, I absolutely value your opinion and don't see this as a flame
or anything...it's nice to see some discussions growing even though
they're completely off topic.I support them :)

Daniel
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"life is no ordeal"

p.s.
thanks for respecting my posts, means alot when someone says
something like that.





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Valentines sentiment
Date: 18 Feb 1998 11:53:24 +0100


Michael Ash wrote:

I realize that alot of people don't have a
true love, and thus get all pissy when Valentine's day rolls around--i used
to be the same way--but when you are truly in love it is a very special day
indeed.

Eeuuurghh.... well, congrats on having that special someone, Mike. Myself and the Filthy Crew (single to a man and woman) decided that we wouldn't sit around and mope on Saturday, so we went out and got absolutely wankered on cocktails in a trendy spot in Manchester. That bloke who plays Steve MacDonald in Coronation Street came up to us and started giving us some lip, but he sloped off when we announced that we were a travelling gay Performing Circus and were big fans of his. Heh heh heh. Homophobic tosser. Anyroad, reason for that story is that my mate Daz was DJing there and did a twenty minute Orbital mix at our request.... Belfast into Are We Here? into TGWTSIHH into Impact. Top stuff, you really wouldn't have thought it could work but our Daz is a handy lad.

Apparently the boys have eight tracks finished now... bit of a leap from the last I heard. I seem to recall that they had about twelve done for InSides and spent three months tweaking and deciding which ones to get rid of.... so we may have to wait a while yet.... imminent single release ahoy?

Four to the floor.... ace.... it'll be nice to hear 'em burning up the clubs again. I wonder if this move coincides with the Chems/Prodge/Crystal Methods' new-found fame in the States as a result of their big, brash numbers? Just a thought. I'd hate to think there was any compromise on the Hartnolls' part (I'm pretty sure there hasn't been) but it does seem that 'in yer face' tunes have found a mainstream market now, which maybe wasn't the case when the Brown album came out. I think it's probably fair to say that the subtlety of InSides wasn't appreciated by the West Coast beatmonsters (not dissing our American friends there, by the way....!) who made those people famous last year.

Just my tuppence... I'll shut up now

Have a nice one

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From: James Brostek <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me
Date: 18 Feb 1998 09:41:21 -0500 (EST)



A Hacker long ago before the media hyped them as portraying them as a
darker side, where programmers.  Why cuz they hacked away at their files
fixing and neatening routines.  I am a hacker, I can spend 15 hours in one
collection of code, dedication to the technology and programming is what
gets you named a hacker.  It has nothign to do with how you learned it or
if you got help or not.  It's the dedication to hacking code all day to
fit a certain need.  That does not mean these people don't know anythign
about security.  But I like most others use it to keep them out of
systems, and not to try and break in.



James Brostek
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Subject: Re[2]: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me
Date: 18 Feb 1998 9:53:00 -0500


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And...I didn't like the movie all that much. Angelina Jolie looks
far better in "Anybody seen my baby" :) [no accusations please,
I don't even like the Rolling Stones]

Daniel


     well, i thought she looked fantastic. i don't think that if she showed
     up at your house looking like that you'd kick her out of bed for
     eating crackers...heehee

     oh boy, i've got the right said fred song stuck in my head now. this
     SUCKS!


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From: "Shannon @ The Image Processing Lab" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Hackers, VD, and Green query [Hey Steve!]
Date: 18 Feb 1998 10:33:11 -0500


How-DEE!

<[e-mail]>
>well, i finally saw hackers on cable two nights ago

I liked the soundtrack; another Orbital inclusion!

Michael<[e-mail]> Re: Valentine's
>you can easily do so without spending alot of money

I agree, but flowers are a 'given'. My florist has these budget 'cash &
carry' roses that are beautiful and 1/3 the price of the ultra
straight-stemmed, low-thorn,
'sorry-but-i-spent-all-my-money-on-flowers-honey' variety.
?Would the Orbital lasses out there feel gipped by cheaper flowers?
What if I said that the savings went to more food and song?
SoSorry for all the putrid VD's out there. I did mine on Friday the
13th! Maybe that's the trick? I snuck home from work in the afternoon to
leave the floral display (and chockys) all over the coffee table.
We went to a group art opening, where my video "Me, Myself, and MRI" is
re-appearing, then out for dinner [Swordfish Fahitas!]. It worked out
nicely. We actually spent VD doing laundry together [10 loads!]
F*king romantic, don'tcha think?

Hey Steve!
I finally got a copy of Green on Disc, and now I can deposit my original
1991 cassette in my safety deposit box! I know you've probably covered
this somewhere, but whart the frik does "Dimensionally Enhanced with
B.A.S.E" mean that appears on the back?

BTW> Crystal Method's "VEGAS" is too much fun. I would love to hear P&P
invite them in on something.

Seezures LAter!

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From: [e-mail] (Reece KH)
Subject: Re: (orbital) Us and Uk Green album
Date: 18 Feb 1998 09:56:41 GMT


sorry if i'm a bit late for this discussion, i've been away, but my green album,  which is definitely yellow, has a sort of
orangy cd with the letters CD in purple in a big purple circle that takes up most of the cd face. tell me it's real folks, tell
me it's real!

reece


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From: [e-mail] (Reece KH)
Subject: Re: (orbital) Euro Tunnel Disaster 96
Date: 17 Feb 1998 16:05:59 GMT


>
> >Reece wrote
> >hey, i was wondering if anyone had any information on this, like why orbital
> wrote a
> >track about some disaster that they expected to happen a year from when they
> wrote
> >the track, which almost materialized in what, 95 or 96? soooo, what's it all
> about?
>
> well....20 + miles of tunnel underneath god-knows-how many tons of
> ocean...it was a brilliant construction which made a lot of brits look
> and think...fuck that ...id rather get sea-sick.

yeah, so they were prophesising its failure, right?

> They were close though...part of the tunnel set on fire the other year.

mmm, i know, that was the thing i was considering as the proof of their powers of time travel :)

-= over and out =-

reece


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Hackers
Date: 18 Feb 1998 10:03:49 -0600 (CST)


While we're on the subject of Hackers, I think its really cheezy
that there was a Hacker's 2 soundtrack yet no movie to go along with it.
The songs on the second CD aren't even in the original movie. Same
goes for the Trainspotting 2 soundtrack.

Changing the subject...any one know were I can find a listing of all the
Remixes that Underworld has done ? So far I've got the ones they did for
Orbital, The Chemical Brothers, Front 242 and Bjork and I'm craving more
Actually...>I think they are better remixers than songwriters.

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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Cool
Date: 18 Feb 1998 10:34:03 PST


Hey-
You know what sounds cool?? PETROL playing at the same time as heresy by
NIN.  That's what's playing now in the computer lab... I'm listening to
orbital, Katherine's listening to NIN.. we're sitting next to each
other. This sounds AMAZING.

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Hackers
Date: 18 Feb 1998 19:46:04 +0100


Rob wrote:
>Changing the subject...any one know were I can find a listing of all the
>Remixes that Underworld has done ? So far I've got the ones they did for
>Orbital, The Chemical Brothers, Front 242 and Bjork and I'm craving more
>Actually...>I think they are better remixers than songwriters.

This reminded me of something. A while ago, I got ahold of a certain track
(mp3, of course :)) that's supposed to be by Goldie. It's called "The
Shadow" and I don't exactly have the original, but a Rick Smith mix and an
Underworld remix. It sounds like it might be from Goldie, but I never saw
that track listed anywhere. It definitively is an Underworld remix, though.
If you do happen to come across their discography, please
check about this track. I would really appreciate to finaly be sure if its
Goldie or not.

Daniel "boy am I active on this list or what" Kasaj
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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Knowles)
Subject: (orbital) astro-hartnolls
Date: 18 Feb 1998 14:15:50 -0500 (EST)


i just remembered something that i forgot to mention to the list awhile ago:

being an astronomy and physics major, i couldn't help but point out that
the words "attached" and "semi-detached" are terms that describe the
so-called roche lobes of _orbiting_ (haha) binary stars. ie. when two stars
are rotating around each other, they tend to pull gas off one another, and
this gas remains confined within gravitational equipotentials called roche
lobes. if the stars are close enough that there is only one lobe, they are
"attached." if the lobes share an equipotential (just barely touching) they
are "semi-detached."

there is also a third classification: "detached" is when the roche lobes do
not touch at all. perhaps a song title from the next album, eh?

any intro astro textbook should have this stuff, but it's cool that the
hartnolls knew about it, or saw it somewhere. i mean, it can't just be a
coincidence...

by the way, "four to the floor" is exactly what i was wanting to hear them
say about the new album. i'm so excited now!


keep on truckin,
ben

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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Knowles)
Subject: (orbital) yer a'peein' travels
Date: 18 Feb 1998 14:25:23 -0500 (EST)


one more thing:

i'm going to paris, budapest and maybe vienna, for spring break. is there
anyone  who lives in these places, or is familiar with them, that could let
me in on some good dance/techno clubs? too many of my friends have told me
stories about the bad dance music ("barbie girl," cranberries, etc...)
people listen to in many of the more popular places.

and that's not meant as a flame on european musical tastes - it's just what
i've heard, that's all.

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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Knowles)
Subject: (orbital) astro-hartnolls
Date: 18 Feb 1998 14:30:17 -0500 (EST)


i just remembered something that i forgot to mention to the list awhile ago:

being an astronomy and physics major, i couldn't help but point out that
the words "attached" and "semi-detached" are terms that describe the
so-called roche lobes of _orbiting_ (haha) binary stars. ie. when two stars
are rotating around each other, they tend to pull gas off one another, and
this gas remains confined within gravitational equipotentials called roche
lobes. if the stars are close enough that there is only one lobe, they are
"attached." if the lobes share an equipotential (just barely touching) they
are "semi-detached."

there is also a third classification: "detached" is when the roche lobes do
not touch at all. perhaps a song title from the next album, eh?

any intro astro textbook should have this stuff, but it's cool that the
hartnolls knew about it, or saw it somewhere. i mean, it can't just be a
coincidence...

by the way, "four to the floor" is exactly what i was wanting to hear them
say about the new album. i'm so excited now!


keep on truckin,
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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Knowles)
Subject: (orbital) yer a'peein' travels
Date: 18 Feb 1998 14:31:35 -0500 (EST)


one more thing:

i'm going to paris, budapest and maybe vienna, for spring break. is there
anyone  who lives in these places, or is familiar with them, that could let
me in on some good dance/techno clubs? too many of my friends have told me
stories about the bad dance music ("barbie girl," cranberries, etc...)
people listen to in many of the more popular places.

and that's not meant as a flame on european musical tastes - it's just what
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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Knowles)
Subject: (orbital) astro-hartnolls
Date: 18 Feb 1998 14:31:46 -0500 (EST)


i just remembered something that i forgot to mention to the list awhile ago:

being an astronomy and physics major, i couldn't help but point out that
the words "attached" and "semi-detached" are terms that describe the
so-called roche lobes of _orbiting_ (haha) binary stars. ie. when two stars
are rotating around each other, they tend to pull gas off one another, and
this gas remains confined within gravitational equipotentials called roche
lobes. if the stars are close enough that there is only one lobe, they are
"attached." if the lobes share an equipotential (just barely touching) they
are "semi-detached."

there is also a third classification: "detached" is when the roche lobes do
not touch at all. perhaps a song title from the next album, eh?

any intro astro textbook should have this stuff, but it's cool that the
hartnolls knew about it, or saw it somewhere. i mean, it can't just be a
coincidence...

by the way, "four to the floor" is exactly what i was wanting to hear them
say about the new album. i'm so excited now!


keep on truckin,
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Goldie mixed by Underworld
Date: 18 Feb 1998 13:50:57 -0600 (CST)



>This reminded me of something. A while ago, I got ahold of a certain track
>(mp3, of course :)) that's supposed to be by Goldie. It's called "The
>Shadow" and I don't exactly have the original, but a Rick Smith mix and an
>Underworld remix. It sounds like it might be from Goldie, but I never saw
>that track listed anywhere. It definitively is an Underworld remix, though.
>If you do happen to come across their discography, please
>check about this track. I would really appreciate to finaly be sure if its
>Goldie or not.
>

I found the info on that remix while I was on my quest to find the Underworld
remix listing,which by the way is on Hyperreal

Rob & Goldie, The Shadow, 1997.

12inch- UK SHADOW 100R2 Moving Shadow (Gold Sleeve, Limited Run)
1. The Shadow (Process Mix)
2. The Shadow (Bing Here Mix)

Apparently the Underworld remix was the first time a non D n' B artish had
anything released on Moving Shadow

ROB
BTW:I've listened Goldie's Saturnz Return a few times so far and there are only
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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Hackers
Date: 18 Feb 1998 15:30:02 +0000


> This reminded me of something. A while ago, I got ahold of a certain track
> (mp3, of course :)) that's supposed to be by Goldie. It's called "The
> Shadow" and I don't exactly have the original, but a Rick Smith mix and an
> Underworld remix. It sounds like it might be from Goldie, but I never saw
> that track listed anywhere. It definitively is an Underworld remix, though.
> If you do happen to come across their discography, please
> check about this track. I would really appreciate to finaly be sure if its
> Goldie or not.

    Hmm, I think that's probably something off Moving Shadow records.
Might even be the 100th release special edition (I think there were
two 12" releases of that song, with a bunch of remixes). I just can't
remember the name of the song. I think it's by Dom & Roland or Dom &
Optical, or some combination thereof. (At least, I can't think of any
Goldie songs called The Shadow, and I have a vague memory of that
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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Goldie mixed by Underworld
Date: 18 Feb 1998 15:32:44 +0000


> I found the info on that remix while I was on my quest to find the Underworld
> remix listing,which by the way is on Hyperreal
>
> Rob & Goldie, The Shadow, 1997.
>
> 12inch- UK SHADOW 100R2 Moving Shadow (Gold Sleeve, Limited Run)
> 1. The Shadow (Process Mix)
> 2. The Shadow (Bing Here Mix)

    Hmm, looks like I was half right, at least...

> BTW:I've listened Goldie's Saturnz Return a few times so far and there are only
> a couple of tracks that I don't find to be really annoying

    I like disc one, and I'd say it's about 50/50 for disc 2..

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From: "alfred edwards" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) NEW ALBUM?
Date: 18 Feb 1998 12:38:04 PST


Does anyone know about when we can expect another orbital album?
 any inside info?
THANX

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From: Matthew J Abate <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Hackers
Date: 18 Feb 1998 13:58:00 -0700 (MST)


> While we're on the subject of Hackers, I think its really cheezy
> that there was a Hacker's 2 soundtrack yet no movie to go along with it.
> The songs on the second CD aren't even in the original movie. Same
> goes for the Trainspotting 2 soundtrack.

That's cause the Trainspotting 2 cd was made of songs that inspired or
were inspired by the book and movie. Plus Underworld's Dark Train and
Leftfield's A Final Hit were. Read the inside of the Jacket.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Tricky in February?
Date: 18 Feb 1998 17:09:41 EST


I have heard that Tricky is suposed to be puting out another album in february
if any one knows anything tell me...
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me
Date: 18 Feb 1998 16:53:34 EST


now i dont call my self a hacker but i have hung out with hackers i have been
to a couple 2600 meetings and have gone trashing (thats where hackers go dig
through trash in order to find information on what they are about to hack) now
they where nothing like the movie but they did not cause "havoc" like people
seem to think.
those who do cause havoc are not hackers they are just assholes doing it to be
cool  hackers learn thats what they do they learn.  They search for
information
Those who do break in to systems and leave viruses are not even considered
hackers just lammers
just thought i would throw my two cents in
you can agree or disagree i could care less
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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me
Date: 18 Feb 1998 22:04:20 +0000


At 21:07 17/2/98 EST, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>>>
>>>     hi, y'all. how was everyone's valentine's day? putrid?
>>
>>That about sums it up ......stupid Hallmark holiday.
>
>my sentiments exactly.  y'know something's gone terribly commercially wrong
>when on the radio they are trying to sell auto parts for valentine's day.  no
>joke.  "this valentine's day, buy your sweetie a set of new brake pads or
>shock absorbers..."

I thought Tesco's 'love sausages' advertised on TV were perhaps more
appropriate.....

cheers,
Jon

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) astro-hartnolls
Date: 18 Feb 1998 22:15:12 +0000


At 14:15 18/2/98 -0500, Benjamin Knowles wrote:
>
>being an astronomy and physics major, i couldn't help but point out that
>the words "attached" and "semi-detached" are terms that describe the
>so-called roche lobes of _orbiting_ (haha) binary stars.

Well that's more than I've learned in lectures today... How can they say
students only use email for non-acedemic purposes??

>by the way, "four to the floor" is exactly what i was wanting to hear them
>say about the new album. i'm so excited now!

Me too. Then again, I'm sure I heard the same said about In Sides when they
were recording it. More stuff like The Sinner, that's what I'd like to hear.

cheers,
Jon

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Goldie
Date: 18 Feb 1998 22:41:05 +0000


At 13:50 18/2/98 -0600, [e-mail] wrote:

>BTW:I've listened Goldie's Saturnz Return a few times so far and there are
only
>a couple of tracks that I don't find to be really annoying

I thought the vocals on 'Temper temper' were awful, I wish the remixers had
them taken out. And Gallagher's guitar really does nothing for me. I'd
almost say Goldie's lost it: seems to me he thinks he's bigger than the
rest of the d 'n' b scene put together. Then again I've not heard the
album, so I guess I should reserve judgement. His music was better before
he and Rob Playford fell out.

cheers,
Jon

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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Knowles)
Subject: (orbital) astro-hartnolls
Date: 18 Feb 1998 21:02:14 -0500 (EST)


i just remembered something that i forgot to mention to the list awhile ago:

being an astronomy and physics major, i couldn't help but point out that
the words "attached" and "semi-detached" are terms that describe the
so-called roche lobes of _orbiting_ (haha) binary stars. ie. when two stars
are rotating around each other, they tend to pull gas off one another, and
this gas remains confined within gravitational equipotentials called roche
lobes. if the stars are close enough that there is only one lobe, they are
"attached." if the lobes share an equipotential (just barely touching) they
are "semi-detached."

there is also a third classification: "detached" is when the roche lobes do
not touch at all. perhaps a song title from the next album, eh?

any intro astro textbook should have this stuff, but it's cool that the
hartnolls knew about it, or saw it somewhere. i mean, it can't just be a
coincidence...

by the way, "four to the floor" is exactly what i was wanting to hear them
say about the new album. i'm so excited now!


keep on truckin,
ben

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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Knowles)
Subject: (orbital) yer a'peein' travels
Date: 18 Feb 1998 21:04:51 -0500 (EST)


one more thing:

i'm going to paris, budapest and maybe vienna, for spring break. is there
anyone  who lives in these places, or is familiar with them, that could let
me in on some good dance/techno clubs? too many of my friends have told me
stories about the bad dance music ("barbie girl," cranberries, etc...)
people listen to in many of the more popular places.

and that's not meant as a flame on european musical tastes - it's just what
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From: "Baby Diddy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: Tribal gathering
Date: 18 Feb 1998 22:33:29 -0000


SCOTT

Tribal Gathering is held in Britain (last year at Luton), though this year
due to a split amongst promoters there will be two - one at Knebworth (May
23-25) and one at Winchester (May 2/3).  If your not in Britain the
organisers have plans for two in America and one in Europe this year - no
dates or locations have been announced yet.  The only band so far mention is
Kraftwerk, who are playing at least one of the American shows, but nothing
else (Kraftwerk played Luton last year and went down a treat).

Bit more bullshit required?  Check my TG web page:

    http://freespace.virgin.net/david.hampson/tribal.htm

BABY DIDDY




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From: "Baby Diddy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) England CDs
Date: 18 Feb 1998 22:33:16 -0000


I believe the B12 and Autechre LPs are now on low price so they should be
obtainable for ú8-9 and readily available.  Orbital EPs are deleted but
available from bigger/better stores; ú4-5 for a single is the going rate.
The Autechre EP may prove a bitch to find but its still available mail order
from Warp if he has no luck.

You may find it easier to get the Warp stuff direct - I've got their
catalogue handy and postage outside Britain is ú2 (first CD) plus ú1 each
additional CD and prices are about ú1-2 per disc cheaper...  (check their
website for details: www.warp-net.com )

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From: Frederic Fournier <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) WarpNet from Canada
Date: 18 Feb 1998 22:56:14 -0500 (EST)



Has anyone in Canada ever bought through www.warp-net.com in england? I'd
like to know what delay to expect in the mail, and also how much I have
to pay for duty/taxes...

In brief, I'd like to hear about your experience before I buy for 50$
from them!

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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) what we want on the new album
Date: 18 Feb 1998 20:04:08 PST


**
by the way, "four to the floor" is exactly what i was wanting to hear
them say about the new album. i'm so excited now!
**

Nuh-uh.  Let's see them do some happy hardcore.. that would kick.  Or
maybe some jungle.. and I mean real jungle.  Or maybe they should whip
out some guitars and put out an acoustic album.  Yeah.. and I'll write
em some lyrics.. ooh.. or maybe they should release some dark nin style
stuff.  Or maybe some orchestral stuff.

Okay.. end the sarcasm.  You guys DO realise I was being sarcastic..
seriously though, I don't really care what they release.  Just I will
DIE if it's some cheesy stuff aimed at cracking the american audience.
no selling out.

Aimee
who's in a REALLY silly mood
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From: Frederic Fournier <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Attached & Semi-Detached
Date: 18 Feb 1998 23:08:53 -0500 (EST)


On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Reece KH wrote:

> mmm, i know, that was the thing i was considering as the proof of
> their powers of time travel :) >

Yeah well considering their abilities of time travel, I'd like to know
the story of Attached and Semi-Detached... Semi-Detached sounds like a
remix of Attached, but Attached was released after! So what is this, has
Attached really been made before, or....?


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From: Matthew J Abate <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) what we want on the new album
Date: 18 Feb 1998 21:08:22 -0700 (MST)


> seriously though, I don't really care what they release.  Just I will
> DIE if it's some cheesy stuff aimed at cracking the american audience.
> no selling out.

Didn't get the impressin that they were planning on it from the Mondo 2000
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Subject: Re: (orbital) what we want on the new album
Date: 18 Feb 1998 22:15:45 -0600 (CST)


On 02/18/98 20:04:08 you wrote:
>
>
>**
>by the way, "four to the floor" is exactly what i was wanting to hear
>them say about the new album. i'm so excited now!
>**
>
>Nuh-uh.  Let's see them do some happy hardcore.. that would kick.  Or
>maybe some jungle.. and I mean real jungle.  Or maybe they should whip
>out some guitars and put out an acoustic album.  Yeah.. and I'll write
>em some lyrics.. ooh.. or maybe they should release some dark nin style
>stuff.  Or maybe some orchestral stuff.

Aimee ......kickin it with the sarcasm

Actually a little D n' B thrown in the mix would be pretty damn cool

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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Knowles)
Subject: (orbital) oops
Date: 19 Feb 1998 01:36:17 -0500 (EST)


sorry about all those extra messages i sent to the list. something weird is
going on - every message i send, i get an "undeliverable mail" message back
from "[e-mail]." has anyone seen this before? evidently my
messages are going through, though, so whatever...

maybe it has something to do with the digest version or something...

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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me
Date: 18 Feb 1998 23:16:56 -0800



>> yes, but i'd venture to say that there are probably very few
havoc-causing-
>> genius-kids who hang out at nightclubs all the time, go everywhere on
in-line
>> skates, wear designer stylish sunglasses and gear, and are so incredibly
>> glamorous and teen-magazine-polished-looking as those kids in the movie.
>> that's the thing that bugged me the most about the movie- too much
glamour and
>> excitement in a relatively unglamorous and less eventful activity....
what
>> say?


That's what I liked about the movie.  They tried to change people's opinions
of what Hackers are.  People think of hackers or just computer people as
geeks.  This movie tried to say that just because you are into computers it
doesn't mean that you are a geek.  The movie pretty much said that anyone
can be anything so don't stereotype.  This movie had such a huge impact on
my life and indeed changed me into a more open minded person.  I carry a lot
of passion for the movie so if I sound eccentric, don't ask.

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Four to Floor
Date: 19 Feb 1998 08:58:54 -0000


>>by the way, "four to the floor" is exactly what i was wanting to hear them
>>say about the new album. i'm so excited now!

>Me too. Then again, I'm sure I heard the same said about In Sides when they
>were recording it. More stuff like The Sinner, that's what I'd like to hear.

Thats true...In Sides was gonna be upbeat...and ended up very emotional.
I personally hope the album aint a Four to Floor...i hope they do summit
different from the rest of the world ... they normally do :)

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Attached / Detached
Date: 19 Feb 1998 09:01:39 -0000


>Yeah well considering their abilities of time travel, I'd like to know
>the story of Attached and Semi-Detached... Semi-Detached sounds like a
>remix of Attached, but Attached was released after! So what is this, has
>Attached really been made before, or....?

sorry to correct...but Attached was composed before Semi-Detached...but
i think they have to be played together to appreciate the
connection....loved the Radio 1 broadcast of it.

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Euro Tunnel Disaster 96
Date: 19 Feb 1998 06:36:26 -0600


At 04:05 PM 2/17/98 GMT, you wrote:

>> well....20 + miles of tunnel underneath god-knows-how many tons of

>> ocean...it was a brilliant construction which made a lot of brits look

>> and think...fuck that ...id rather get sea-sick.

>

>yeah, so they were prophesising its failure, right?

>

>> They were close though...part of the tunnel set on fire the other year.

>

>mmm, i know, that was the thing i was considering as the proof of their powers of time travel :)

>

REMEMBER... They are "New Age Travelers"


;-P




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Can someone please enlighten me.....
Date: 19 Feb 1998 15:55:02 +0000


.....as to what this 'Four to the Floor' is 'bout.   I am missing
something, as I don't normally read the mails that intensely, but have only
just had the time to do so, after being on the list for about 2 months.

Cheers Guys 'n' gals,
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From: Steve <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Four to Floor
Date: 19 Feb 1998 15:07:04 -0000


I think what the Hartnol brothers will have to do for this album is continue
what they have done in the past.  In which I mean they seem to take basic
ideas from a general sound throw it in there own personal mixing pot and
what comes out, is a unique but somehow familiar tune.  It was like that for
me with The Box.  First time I heard it, I would have sworn blind that I had
heard it before.
If Orbitals next album is going to be four to the floor then great, but
Orbital doing jungle, etc.
I don't think that will ever happen, not because they couldn't but because
the best they can be is Orbital.  Their albums are very personal and each
one has its own flavor.  I'm just looking forward to the Hartnol brothers to
completely spook me with some more great music.

Steve

P.S Does anyone know why Satan with that bloke from Metallica hasn't been
released in the U.K yet?






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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Fat chance in hell??
Date: 19 Feb 1998 11:18:33 EST


Would any kind soul on this list happen to have access to both the very early
Orbital singles (Omen, Too Deep, Deeper, Chime and Open Mind 12")  AND a CD
burner??  I've got about everything else and a burner and would love to work
something out......

And if not, could someone tape them...we can talk price or trade or whatever!

And is Semi-Detached on the four-song Peel the same as the Diversions one??
Brent


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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Attached & Semi-Detached
Date: 19 Feb 1998 13:09:47 +0000


> On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Reece KH wrote:
>
> > mmm, i know, that was the thing i was considering as the proof of
> > their powers of time travel :) >
>
> Yeah well considering their abilities of time travel, I'd like to know
> the story of Attached and Semi-Detached... Semi-Detached sounds like a
> remix of Attached, but Attached was released after! So what is this, has
> Attached really been made before, or....?

    Well, I think they originally were released at the same time, on the
Peel Session CD, (in live form), and Attached was the one that
actually made it onto the next album.

-Morey





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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) England CDs
Date: 19 Feb 1998 13:09:46 +0000


> I believe the B12 and Autechre LPs are now on low price so they should b=
e
> obtainable for =FA8-9 and readily available.  Orbital EPs are deleted bu=
t
> available from bigger/better stores; =FA4-5 for a single is the going ra=
te.
> The Autechre EP may prove a bitch to find but its still available mail o=
rder
> from Warp if he has no luck.

    You can get the Autechre 'Bass Cadet' EP in the US directly from
waxtrax. I think they've only got it on vinyl, but I ordered it from
them for like $7. Just to to www.waxtrax.com.

-Morey





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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) oops
Date: 19 Feb 1998 13:18:03 +0000


> sorry about all those extra messages i sent to the list. something weird is
> going on - every message i send, i get an "undeliverable mail" message back
> from "[e-mail]." has anyone seen this before? evidently my
> messages are going through, though, so whatever...

    It's not the digest; I've been getting those messages, too.

-Morey





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From: Frederic Fournier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Attached / Detached
Date: 19 Feb 1998 13:30:21 -0500 (EST)


On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Price, Steve A wrote:

> sorry to correct...but Attached was composed before Semi-Detached...but
> i think they have to be played together to appreciate the
> connection....loved the Radio 1 broadcast of it.

All I said was, how come has semidetached been released before attached
(I thought the very first time was on diversions for SD and sniv for A),
since Attached sounds like an original and SD the remix?

I aggree, I like listening to them together. When I get my burner in a
few days I surely will burn myself a best-of-orbital CD to carry
wherever my discman goes, with the two being tracks one and two!

I hope there still is some semi-ambient-weird stuff like these or adnan's &
outtheresomewhere (which make for another awedome pair) on their next cd,
strong dance beats can be nice and they have done it nicely before but
it's not by all means room enough for P&P to expand their amazing talent.

Derf

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From: [e-mail] (STARpango)
Subject: Re: (orbital) Four to Floor
Date: 19 Feb 1998 12:14:52 -0500


>P.S Does anyone know why Satan with that bloke from Metallica hasn't been
>released in the U.K yet?

i know why Steve!!!....because no one in the UK would want to buy it (not
hacking on Orbital, i'm hacking on Metallica)

STAR p


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From: [e-mail] (STARpango)
Subject: (orbital) answer to the undeliverable messages
Date: 19 Feb 1998 16:49:21 -0500


hey peeps....someone earlier today posted summit about undeliverable
messages and why they were getting them.  whoever >[e-mail]< is
( who i know belongs to the list ) is the person or their email handler that
is causing the problem.  don't know if they forgot to pay their online bill
but their server won't deliver their mail to them.  hope that clears things
up :)

STAR p


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From: Brandon Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) estro
Date: 19 Feb 1998 16:58:32 -0500 (EST)


[e-mail] is the cause of the problem? let's get em!!!! i've
got the tar who's got the feathers?!?!

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From: [e-mail] (STARpango)
Subject: Re: (orbital) estro
Date: 19 Feb 1998 17:00:47 -0500


>
>[e-mail] is the cause of the problem? let's get em!!!! i've
>got the tar who's got the feathers?!?!
>
how about we wait until perickson is back online and each person on the
Orbital list send perickson 10 messages that should f**k their server and
their computer up for a while!!!!!

STAR p


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From: Steve <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Four to Floor
Date: 19 Feb 1998 22:39:09 -0000


>i know why Steve!!!....because no one in the UK would want to buy it (not
>hacking on Orbital, i'm hacking on Metallica)
>
>STAR p

I actually managed to get it on import, not for Satan mind, its got a wicked
version of "the girth with etc.

steve





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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) estro
Date: 19 Feb 1998 23:18:03 +0100


>>[e-mail] is the cause of the problem? let's get em!!!! i've
>>got the tar who's got the feathers?!?!
>>
>how about we wait until perickson is back online and each person on the
>Orbital list send perickson 10 messages that should f**k their server and
>their computer up for a while!!!!!


I don't think SHE's gonna appreciate this. :)

Daniel
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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Attached / Detached
Date: 19 Feb 1998 23:30:38 +0000


At 13:30 19/2/98 -0500, Frederic Fournier wrote:
>
>On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Price, Steve A wrote:
>
>> sorry to correct...but Attached was composed before Semi-Detached...but
>> i think they have to be played together to appreciate the
>> connection....loved the Radio 1 broadcast of it.
>
>All I said was, how come has semidetached been released before attached
>(I thought the very first time was on diversions for SD and sniv for A),
>since Attached sounds like an original and SD the remix?

As I understand it, Semi Detached was on a promo of Lush back in 1993, then
more widely available on the Trance Europe Express compilation, and then
came the Peel Session (broadcast about the same time as TEX came out
actually), and then Diversions.

I'd never really thought of Attached as the original, I do think it's
better than Semi Detched though. Semi Detached was meant to be a remix of
Lush, according to the TEX book, but turned out totally different.

cheers,
Jon

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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) answer to the undeliverable messages
Date: 19 Feb 1998 15:44:57 PST


**
hey peeps....someone earlier today posted summit about undeliverable
messages and why they were getting them.  whoever >[e-mail]<
is ( who i know belongs to the list ) is the person or their email
handler that is causing the problem.  don't know if they forgot to pay
their online bill but their server won't deliver their mail to them.
hope that clears things up :)
**

Nuh-uh.  I have the real story.  Peggy left the law firm.. forgot to
unsubscribe.. they killed her e-mail address.. end of story.

Aimee

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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) what we want on the new album
Date: 19 Feb 1998 16:32:18 PST


**
im glad i read the second paragraph before replying to the above!!!

whew....i was getting a little worried!
**

Seriously though.. the Hartnoll's can do WHATEVER they want.  They could
conduct a group of two year olds playing on their mother's pots and pans
if they wanted to.  But the thing is... it wouldn't have the **soul**
their music has.  Them doing happy hardcore wouldn't have the same soul.
Them doing jungle wouldn't have the same soul.  Them doing.. whatever..
it doesn't matter.  Other forms of music just don't carry the same soul,
they're superficial.  Their Music Has Soul.  Do you get my point??

Aimee
Who realises this is like a discussion we had today about superficial
happiness in english class (studying farenheit 451)

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From: "Baby Diddy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Fw: Message Bounce: Re: Goldie
Date: 20 Feb 1998 00:48:35 -0000


I thought Goldie's contribution was definitely the low point.  It just
struck me as being lazily hashed together as if he'd thought "big guest star
= no need to make an effort".

BABY DIDDY


>> ----------------------------->> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:41:05 +0000
>> From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
>> Subject: Re: (orbital) Goldie

>> >BTW:I've listened Goldie's Saturnz Return a few times so far and there
are
>> >only a couple of tracks that I don't find to be really annoying




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From: "Baby Diddy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Fw: Message Bounce: TRIBAL GATHERING
Date: 20 Feb 1998 00:52:39 -0000




>> Bands announced for the Tribal Gatherings:
>>
>> WINCHESTER (Creamfields) MAY 2/3 =A337.50 (plus booking fee)  Info line =
>> 0181-963-0940  Credit card hotline [phone]
>>
>> Spiritualised, Roni Size, The Chemical Brothers (DJ set), Beth Orton, =
>> Pete Tong, Judge Jules, Sasha, John Digweed, Dr Bob Jones, Jon Pleased =
>> Wimmin, Paul Oakenfold, Way Out West, BT, Slacker, Laurent Garnier, Carl
=
>> Cox, Dave Clarke, Roger Sanchez, Nick Warren, Fatboy Slim, James =
>> Lavelle, Danny Rampling, Harri, Ian M (not the...!), Dave Beer (?  yes =
>> please), Phil Gifford, DJ Sneak, Steve Lawler, LTJ Bukem, DJ Suy, Tony =
>> De Vit, Les Ryder, Phat Phil Cooper, Dave Ralph, KKlass, Justin =
>> Robertson, Doc Martin, Gilles Peterson, Steve Thomas, Jon Carter, Doc =
>> Scott, Malcolm Duffy, MC Dynamite, James Holroyd, Alan Thompson, John =
>> Kelly, Peshay, Pete Wardman, DJ Krust, Graeme Park, Junior Sanchez, DJ =
>> Sonique, Mr C, Norman Jay, Seb Fontaine, Dave Seaman, The Psychonauts, =
>> Sharp Boys, Guy Ornadel, Darren Emerson, Jon Pleased Wimmin, DJ Die, =
>> Derek Dahlarge, CJ MacIntosh, Cajmere, David Holmes, Johnny Moy, Dave =
>> Haslam, Allistair Whitehead, Green Velvet, Way Out West, Slam, The =
>> Freestylers, Slacker, Monkey Mafia, Man With No Name
>>
>>
>> KNEBWORTH (Universe 98) May 23-25 =A360 (inc. camping and parking, =
>> subject to maximum =A34 booking fee)  Info line 0839-444-572  Credit =
>> card hotline [phone]
>>
>> Spiritualised, Roni Size/Reprazent, Run DMC, Black Grape, Bentley Rhythm
=
>> Ace, Monkey Mafia, Moby, Headrillaz, Plaid, Joey Beltram, Jon Carter, =
>> James Lavelle, Jeff Mills, Paul Oakenfold, Sasha, "Miss Moneypenny =
>> Dj's", Luke Slater, 16B, Air Liquide, Alien, Cluster, Core, Essential =
>> Platinum, Force and Syles, Funk D'Void, genaside II, Halo, Joujouka, =
>> Kool Keith, Koxbox, Pills (you'd have guessed they'd be there!), =
>> Plastikman, Rakim, Ramos and Sunset Raysheme, Sofasurfers, Steve Stoll, =
>> X-Dream, Basement Jaxx, DJ Bone, Brisk, Scott Brown, Bunjy, Billy, =
>> Bunty, Mat Carter, Alan Chamberlain, Clarkee, Jon Cooke, DJ Dag, DJ =
>> Hell, Howie B, DJ Hype, Steve Johnson, Kenny Ken, Chris Liberator, Aaron
=
>> Liberator, Julian Liberator (quite finished?), Mike Maguire, Steve =
>> Millar, Billy Nasty, Gilles Peterson, Producer and Styles, Psychonauts, =
>> Stacey Pullen, DJ Q, Danny Rampling, Randall, Alex Reece, Dj Rolando, =
>> James Ruskin, Gayle San, Bruce Sandell, Seduction, Sid Shanti, Sharkey, =
>> Simon Shurey, Fatboy Slim, Slipmat, Mark Smith (...e...?), Spinback, =
>> Surgeon, Pete Tong, Tsuyoshi Suzuki, Sy, Vibes, Tony de Vit, Clarke =
>> Warner, Frank de Wulf.
>> Also comedy tent, conspiracy circus and "Holsten Pure Thrills"(?)
>>
>> www.universe.co.uk=20
>>
>>
>> I reckon that Universe 98 TG pretty much has the edge!
>>
>> Maybe see you there!
>>
>> BABY DIDDY




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From: "Anthony W. Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Fw: Message Bounce: TRIBAL GATHERING
Date: 19 Feb 1998 19:28:47 -0600


Who the hell are spiritualized?



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From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) estro
Date: 19 Feb 1998 21:10:24 -0600


That would be:


Peggy Erickson


She purchased some shirts from me..


She lives in Chicago..


I don't know what relevance that has....but...its FYI



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>

>[e-mail] is the cause of the problem? let's get em!!!! i've

>got the tar who's got the feathers?!?!

Thank You,

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From: James Hill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me
Date: 20 Feb 1998 02:47:41 -0800


>fit a certain need.  That does not mean these people don't know anythign
>about security.  But I like most others use it to keep them out of
>systems, and not to try and break in.
>
>

        I agree.
    i my self am a hacker, and to define what hackers are, moslty they are the
people who sit behind thier computers for 15 hours a day writing code for
the fun of it.
    Most of us actually are hiered by the government to do thier security jobs
on thier system networks.
    And with all thse new kids coming around.. the " k-rad " " elite " guys with
thier Mp3's and such hehe that's just plain stupid. I'm sorry if you see
someone who claims to be a hacker and he says he hacks his windows 95, then
you know somethign is wrong with him.
    Also , " trash " files dont exist ladies and gentelman, and people dont go
hacking with thier Crapintosh wearing thier 3-d glasses.
    I must say i was very disapointed when i heard HALCYON play at the
beginign of hackers.
    I basicly jumped out of bed and screamed in vain "
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! ".
    really thoght it was a lame movie, but i got a kick out of it.
    rather for it to be realistic and to show what actually is happening out
there, they
    just basicly made a crap movie. I mean imagin the motivation if people
really knew
    what was happening. most cant handel it and they go showing it off to
thier friends
    going " oh woopy ! look at me i can decode pages! "
    Besicly , if it was wide spread and used alot and everyone knew it , it
really     wouldent be special now would it?

end;
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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Attached / Detached
Date: 19 Feb 1998 19:57:07 -0000


>
>>> sorry to correct...but Attached was composed before Semi-Detached...but
>>> i think they have to be played together to appreciate the
>>> connection....loved the Radio 1 broadcast of it.
>
>>All I said was, how come has semidetached been released before attached
>>(I thought the very first time was on diversions for SD and sniv for A),
>>since Attached sounds like an original and SD the remix?

Semi Detached and Attached first aired on Radio 1 at the ISDN night.
Then it was released on PEEL SESSIONS. Then came the Diversions and
Snivilisation. They both sound similar and compliment each other. BTW -
First airing of both tracks was 10th Sept 1993. I agree with
totally...they are brilliant tracks.

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) goldie, goldie, goldie
Date: 20 Feb 1998 08:48:10 +0100


How many of you knew Goldie was born in Walsall, England ?

(the question is irrelevant to anything except that AFAIK,
we have a distinguished list member overthere)

Daniel
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From: ed naylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) TRIBAL GATHERING
Date: 20 Feb 1998 11:52:04 -0500 (EST)


On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:28:47 -0600 "Anthony W. Agee"
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Who the hell are spiritualized?

They are a moody psychedelic "rock" combo who've been producing
startling, beautiful and increasingly ambitious music for the last 4/5
years. Last year they hit the jackpot with "Ladies and Gentleman We're
Floating in Space" which would have been the best guitar LP of the year
if Radiohead and The Verve hadn't got there first.  Well worth checking
out as are the Chemical Brothers mixes of Think I'm In love off the LP
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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message
Date: 20 Feb 1998 09:17:24 +0000


    So, at least two of us are getting this message in response to
everything we send to the list.. Anyone else getting it, or have any
idea why?


>
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> Reason: User "[e-mail]" is not found in the cc:Mail Directory.
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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) (ot) A coupla shows..
Date: 20 Feb 1998 09:30:11 +0000


    I just got back in from the BT/Crystal Method show in Atlanta, and I
was quite impressed. BT only played for about 40 minutes, but it was
a very high energy set, and Crystal Method was actually
considerably better than I had expected them to be. On another note,
for anyone in the Southeast US, Roni Size & Reprazent are going to be
playing in Atlanta on March 10 with Jumpin' Jack Frost and (his
partner, Bryan Gee maybe?) for only $13.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) hackers and what it meant to me
Date: 20 Feb 1998 03:07:33 -0800


But I like most others use it to keep them out of
> >systems, and not to try and break in.

>                 I agree.
>         i my self am a hacker, and to define what hackers are, moslty they are the
> people who sit behind thier computers for 15 hours a day writing code for
> the fun of it.
Finally, a sensible description.


>         Most of us actually are hiered by the government to do thier security jobs
> on thier system networks.

That's when you sell out.
Funny that most government systems have the worst security,
there are more hackable mail servers than corporate...

>         And with all thse new kids coming around.. the " k-rad " " elite " guys with
> thier Mp3's and such hehe that's just plain stupid.

mp3's are far from hacking, but they sure are great

 I'm sorry if you see
> someone who claims to be a hacker and he says he hacks his windows 95, then
> you know somethign is wrong with him.

I agree, but since most people use windows that is still useful...

>         Also , " trash " files dont exist ladies and gentelman, and people dont go
> hacking with thier Crapintosh wearing thier 3-d glasses.

The best comment made in this whole discussion, very true

>         I must say i was very disapointed when i heard HALCYON play at the
> beginign of hackers.

It still sounded good to me, it's always sad to see something special
exploited in the mainstream but the sountrack made the plot forgivable,
I guess. Is it so bad to like a movie just because it's one of the
only movies ever to have a really good soundtrack?
It's better than most of the crap I see, realistic or not.
I have a couple live orbital tracks from different bootlegs
available to listen to in realaudio:
CHOICE (live 6/27/96 in Portland)    &
IMPACT USA (live 12/15/96 in San Francisco)
http://www.stitch.com/studio/rare

enjoy while you can they are going down soon

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From: [e-mail] (Josh Benton)
Subject: RE: (orbital) Fw: Message Bounce: TRIBAL GATHERING
Date: 20 Feb 1998 13:38:42 +0000


I believe someone had mentioned earlier that there may be a US Tribal
Gathering this summer.  Am I crazy?  If it is in the works, does anybody
have any information on the date, location, or artists?

Any info would be much appreciated.

-Josh


>> Bands announced for the Tribal Gatherings:
>>
>> WINCHESTER (Creamfields) MAY 2/3 =A337.50 (plus booking fee)  Info
line =
>> 0181-963-0940  Credit card hotline [phone]
>>
>> Spiritualised, Roni Size, The Chemical Brothers (DJ set), Beth Orton,
=
>> Pete Tong, Judge Jules, Sasha, John Digweed, Dr Bob Jones, Jon Pleased
=
>> Wimmin, Paul Oakenfold, Way Out West, BT, Slacker, Laurent Garnier,
Carl
=
>> Cox, Dave Clarke, Roger Sanchez, Nick Warren, Fatboy Slim, James =
>> Lavelle, Danny Rampling, Harri, Ian M (not the...!), Dave Beer (?  yes
=
>> please), Phil Gifford, DJ Sneak, Steve Lawler, LTJ Bukem, DJ Suy, Tony
=
>> De Vit, Les Ryder, Phat Phil Cooper, Dave Ralph, KKlass, Justin =
>> Robertson, Doc Martin, Gilles Peterson, Steve Thomas, Jon Carter, Doc
=
>> Scott, Malcolm Duffy, MC Dynamite, James Holroyd, Alan Thompson, John
=
>> Kelly, Peshay, Pete Wardman, DJ Krust, Graeme Park, Junior Sanchez, DJ
=
>> Sonique, Mr C, Norman Jay, Seb Fontaine, Dave Seaman, The Psychonauts,
=
>> Sharp Boys, Guy Ornadel, Darren Emerson, Jon Pleased Wimmin, DJ Die, =
>> Derek Dahlarge, CJ MacIntosh, Cajmere, David Holmes, Johnny Moy, Dave
=
>> Haslam, Allistair Whitehead, Green Velvet, Way Out West, Slam, The =
>> Freestylers, Slacker, Monkey Mafia, Man With No Name
>>
>>
>> KNEBWORTH (Universe 98) May 23-25 =A360 (inc. camping and parking, =
>> subject to maximum =A34 booking fee)  Info line 0839-444-572  Credit =
>> card hotline [phone]
>>
>> Spiritualised, Roni Size/Reprazent, Run DMC, Black Grape, Bentley
Rhythm
=
>> Ace, Monkey Mafia, Moby, Headrillaz, Plaid, Joey Beltram, Jon Carter,
=
>> James Lavelle, Jeff Mills, Paul Oakenfold, Sasha, "Miss Moneypenny =
>> Dj's", Luke Slater, 16B, Air Liquide, Alien, Cluster, Core, Essential
=
>> Platinum, Force and Syles, Funk D'Void, genaside II, Halo, Joujouka, =
>> Kool Keith, Koxbox, Pills (you'd have guessed they'd be there!), =
>> Plastikman, Rakim, Ramos and Sunset Raysheme, Sofasurfers, Steve
Stoll, =
>> X-Dream, Basement Jaxx, DJ Bone, Brisk, Scott Brown, Bunjy, Billy, =
>> Bunty, Mat Carter, Alan Chamberlain, Clarkee, Jon Cooke, DJ Dag, DJ =
>> Hell, Howie B, DJ Hype, Steve Johnson, Kenny Ken, Chris Liberator,
Aaron
=
>> Liberator, Julian Liberator (quite finished?), Mike Maguire, Steve =
>> Millar, Billy Nasty, Gilles Peterson, Producer and Styles,
Psychonauts, =
>> Stacey Pullen, DJ Q, Danny Rampling, Randall, Alex Reece, Dj Rolando,
=
>> James Ruskin, Gayle San, Bruce Sandell, Seduction, Sid Shanti,
Sharkey, =
>> Simon Shurey, Fatboy Slim, Slipmat, Mark Smith (...e...?), Spinback, =
>> Surgeon, Pete Tong, Tsuyoshi Suzuki, Sy, Vibes, Tony de Vit, Clarke =
>> Warner, Frank de Wulf.
>> Also comedy tent, conspiracy circus and "Holsten Pure Thrills"(?)







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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Walsall, England
Date: 20 Feb 1998 20:00:09 -0000


Leq wrote:-

>How many of you knew Goldie was born in Walsall, England ?

>(the question is irrelevant to anything except that AFAIK,
>we have a distinguished list member overthere)

mmm...i live in Walsall England at the moment ....just wondering why he
left :)

Steve LOOPZ Price
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Subject: Re: (orbital) Walsall, England
Date: 20 Feb 1998 15:23:00 -0500


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mmm...i live in Walsall England at the moment ....just wondering why he
left :)

     i know this place...i have some leather goods from there, JOSH stuff.
     so that's where you are, the leather capital. a-hah!



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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Walsall, England
Date: 20 Feb 1998 21:38:55 +0100


Loopzey wrote:
+AD4-mmm...i live in Walsall England at the moment ....just wondering why he
+AD4-left :)


Maybe the city wasn't big enough for both of you ? :)

Daniel
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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Knowles)
Subject: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #46
Date: 20 Feb 1998 15:42:05 -0500 (EST)


>>>by the way, "four to the floor" is exactly what i was wanting to hear them
>>>say about the new album. i'm so excited now!
>
>>Me too. Then again, I'm sure I heard the same said about In Sides when they
>>were recording it. More stuff like The Sinner, that's what I'd like to hear.
>
>Thats true...In Sides was gonna be upbeat...and ended up very emotional.
>I personally hope the album aint a Four to Floor...i hope they do summit
>different from the rest of the world ... they normally do :)

i don't understand why music that is dancable is automatically ruled out as
being "intelligent," or "emotional" or whatever... i think the brown album
is the classic example of a beautiful, textured, emotional piece of music,
which also happens to be infinitely dancable. Sniv and In Sides, in my
opinion, are no more intelligent, yet lack the driving 4/4, therefore just
don't get my booty movin'. so i guess i want something more like brown
(insofar as it has both intelligence and complexity, and dancability). the
Sinner was definately heading back in the right direction.

i mean, i'm not talking chems or "the new improved" prodigy here.
puh-leeze. i never dance to that garbage (no flaming, please; just my
opinion).

being that orbital are still orbital, i'm sure they won't disappoint. hey,
the hartnolls could put kittens in a blender and make it sound good.

small festering lump,
ben

ps. i've got some pretty cool screensavers on my powermac. does that make
me a hacker?



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From: Reece KH <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Attached / Detached
Date: 19 Feb 1998 13:58:01 GMT


>
> >Yeah well considering their abilities of time travel, I'd like to know
> >the story of Attached and Semi-Detached... Semi-Detached sounds like
a
> >remix of Attached, but Attached was released after! So what is this, has
> >Attached really been made before, or....?
>
> sorry to correct...but Attached was composed before Semi-Detached...but
> i think they have to be played together to appreciate the
> connection....loved the Radio 1 broadcast of it.

is that so? were attached or semi released on some b-side single before
sept '93? i'm just curious why attached was used on peel sessions, and
then released next year with sniv, with no semi-d.

-= over and out =-

reece


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From: "Gypy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Midnight live...
Date: 20 Feb 1998 22:47:17 -0000


 I still LURVE that track....          :):):)


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Are We Here single
Date: 20 Feb 1998 18:15:37 EST


It just dawned on me that someone was looking for this CD5- I've got an
extra.......

has who are they, oral mix, what was that, lunasol wet mix, industry standard
edit, and the edit

does someone need this that has some early stuff?

Brent
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Radio Free Underground
Date: 20 Feb 1998 18:06:50 -0800


> >I have a couple live orbital tracks from different bootlegs
> >available to listen to in realaudio:
> >CHOICE (live 6/27/96 in Portland)    &
> >IMPACT USA (live 12/15/96 in San Francisco)
> >http://www.stitch.com/studio/rare
> >
> >enjoy while you can they are going down soon

> hey, i went to Radio Free Underground before and i thought it
> was a really cool site for a change. Also gave me the opportunity
> to listen to some orb stuff i haven't heard before.

That is the main idea

> anyway - reason for this mail : why realaudio ? don't you
> just hate hearing that w3ird echo ? you said yourself layer 3
> files are OK...why not use them ? I am going to check out those
> two you have on the page, but realaudio gives me the creeps.
> Please use layer 3 in future :)

If I wanted to get shut down and sued by the RIAA then I would
post mp3's for people to download.
It's a very sensitive issue in the music industry right now,
and defienatley illegal. Since I'm in the USA, I am bound by the
laws in this country.
That's why the live unreleased orbital tracks won't be there long
either, since that is a touchy area too and not one I want to get
into a legal battle over because I would lose.
The idea here is not piracy, RFU is there to allow people to hear
things they would not normally hear on commercial radio- when you
find something you like then you know what CD to buy.
We don't have downloads, just streaming realaudio, and we are moving
towards more live broadcasts like real radio stations.
Yes, mp3 is much better quality- but I don't know what this echo
is you are talking about. Our music is designed to be streamed live
to 28.8 and ISDN modems, and if you encode mp3s at a rate of 16 kbps
or 40 kbps you will see that it sounds about the same as realaudio.
Most people that use mp3 only use 128 kbps encoding, which is too
much to be streamed live to anyone without a T1 or better.
In the future when the majority of people can recieve live streams
of 128 kbps, maybe we will stream mp3 content. Hopefully all the
legals issues will be ironed out by then.
If any of you have any further questions, email me personally.
I'd be glad to discuss this further, I will be gone all weekend though.

Paul Tribble
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From: Steve <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #46
Date: 21 Feb 1998 17:26:19 -0000


>i don't understand why music that is dancable is automatically ruled out as
>being "intelligent," or "emotional" or whatever... i think the brown album
>is the classic example of a beautiful, textured, emotional piece of music,
>which also happens to be infinitely dancable. Sniv and In Sides, in my
>opinion, are no more intelligent, yet lack the driving 4/4, therefore just
>don't get my booty movin'. so i guess i want something more like brown
>(insofar as it has both intelligence and complexity, and dancability). the
>Sinner was definately heading back in the right direction.


I dont understand that either, if dance music cannot be emotional what have
Orb be doing for the past 12 or so years?

Steve



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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital in movies, etc.
Date: 21 Feb 1998 19:22:12 PST


I have read a lot about the movies that Orbital has 'performed' in.  I
think I have now seen
all of them.  I just watched Event Horizon last night, and I did not
really like it all that much.  I found it to be quite wierd, really.  It
presented a interesting theory, but overall I didnt like it all that
much.  And I was really pissed that Orbital's name was not mentioned
until the very end.  Although, I recognized the beginning music as being
a remix that Scott Reaves worked on (check on 'Loopz' Remix Page).  I
found the music to be not that bad, but the movie blew.  I might get the
soundtrack.  Does anyone have suggestions about this?  I did hear 'Funky
Sh*t' by Prodigy at the end, and assumed that they were on the
soundtrack, but other than that is it mainly composed of music by
Kamen/Orbital?
I think the one time that I really liked Orbital in a soundtrack was
Johny Mnemonic (sp??) in which they played Sad But True (Sniv version).
I really enjoyed that.
Mortal Kombat and Hackers both had Halycon, but I did not like where the
placed the song in either of the two movies.
Just an opinion.
I have a question for all the collectors, how much do bootlegs run
usually?  Does Orbital have bootlegs, except concert tapes or cds?  If
any of you have concert tapes or cds that you would not mind copying for
a small price, please contact me personally.  Talking about concert cds,
I dont know if anyone got the Seattle Train Station recording from Bliss
and Fetish Recordings.  Sure you can hear the concert on the computer,
but also, this double cd that the company has released contains stuff
from Glastonbury '95:
Sad But True, Impact (cut a little bit)/Remind, Halycon, Belfast, Chime.
It sooooo rocks, and the sound quality is awesome.  If you are
interested, you can write to [e-mail].
I have a question, finally, on Peel Sessions.  During the fourth track
(Attached), there are voices in the background.  John Peel (I assume)
gives a summary of the programs for that day and the next during the
beginning of the track.  And near the end of the song, he can be heard
talking and there is this guy coughing or something.  Anyone know if the
song was intentionally recorded that way?
                                    Mehul Parekh I

"We waste, we destroy, and we cling like savages to our superstitions.
We give power to leaders of state and church as prejudiced and
small-minded as ourselves, who squander our resources on instruments of
destruction, while millions continue to suffer and go hungry, condemned
forever...."
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From: "alfred edwards" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital)  new album
Date: 21 Feb 1998 19:33:50 PST


does anyone know about when we can expect a new album from the hartnolls
?
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From: Frederic Fournier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) what we want on the new album
Date: 22 Feb 1998 01:19:20 -0500 (EST)


On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Aimee Couture wrote:

> Seriously though.. the Hartnoll's can do WHATEVER they want.  They could
> conduct a group of two year olds playing on their mother's pots and pans
> if they wanted to.

That's more the sort of thing that I'd expect from Aphex Twin imho.

:-)

I just got Come to Daddy, and the noise is great... But sometimes Aphex
Twin graces us with tracks that really stand out as being much more
musical and less crazy than usual... Like The last track of the Richard
James album, or now, Flim and IZ-US on Come to Daddy.

Verdict: This guy has genius enough to be compared with P&P!



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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Off for a week.....Bournemouth :(
Date: 22 Feb 1998 13:14:42 -0000


All,

Off to Bournemouth for a week...on a course...damn!

So unless i run off with a retired granny (the retiring capital of
England u see) then ill see u next weekend...have fun, dont fall out,
dont mention drugs....and always carry a gerbal.

See ya

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Off for a week.....Bournemouth :(
Date: 22 Feb 1998 17:24:22 +0100


Price, Steve A (what does the A stand for ?) wrote:
+AD4-Off to Bournemouth for a week...on a course...damn+ACE-
+AD4-
+AD4-So unless i run off with a retired granny (the retiring capital of
+AD4-England u see) then ill see u next weekend...have fun, dont fall out,
+AD4-dont mention drugs....and always carry a gerbal.

have a nice TRIP steve +ACE-

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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Off for a week.....Bournemouth :(
Date: 23 Feb 1998 13:32:09 +0000


> dont mention drugs....and always carry a gerbal.

    Oh yeah, and watch out for Mr. Gerbik.





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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Off for a week.....Bournemouth :(
Date: 24 Feb 1998 12:23:06 +0000


> Oh yeah, and watch out for Mr. Gerbik.
>
> What in the hell is Mr. Gerbik?  Is that another one of Kool Keith's
> alter-egos??

    I think so, something like that.. I think it has something to do
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From: Trym Asserson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Off for a week.....Bournemouth :(
Date: 24 Feb 1998 17:56:50 +0000


>> Oh yeah, and watch out for Mr. Gerbik.
>>
>> What in the hell is Mr. Gerbik?  Is that another one of Kool Keith's
>> alter-egos??
>
>    I think so, something like that.. I think it has something to do
>with the halfsharkalligatorhalfman.

I thought Mr. Gerbik was the part played by Q-bert in that song.. anyway,
quite interesting.

Btw, anyone know of a place on the Internet where you can buy the "times
fly" EP and any of the "omen" singles?

frantically searching

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From: Reece KH <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) AFX & BT
Date: 24 Feb 1998 19:16:38 GMT


hey all, i just got AFX's Analogue Bubblebath 3 for my birthday (20th Feb,
my 18th, all money and cards welcome :>) i think i love half the tracks, not
so sure about some of the rest. it was in a single case, with a sticker on
the back and front. are 1,2,4, and however many more, as good? and what
are the track names?

oh, yeah, what's bt like? i mean what sort of music, what sort of beat etc.
and can anyone recommend any albums from them or anyone else?

-= over and out =-

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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) AFX & BT
Date: 24 Feb 1998 16:48:32 +0000


> oh, yeah, what's bt like? i mean what sort of music, what sort of beat etc.
> and can anyone recommend any albums from them or anyone else?

    Progressive House, more or less. His first album, Ima,  is
chock-full of the kinda stuff that Sasha and Digweed got fat on. I've
also heard it referred to as 'Epic House' because of all the swirling
string parts and looong breakdowns and buildups. I really like his
stuff, myself. His new album is called ESCM (which I've heard is
short for Electric Sky Church Music) (wonder what electric skychurch
would say about that?).  It's a little more progressive than the
first, with some breakbeat stuff, A little more varying in mood and
tempo than the first, but not quite as cohesive overall.
    I think both albums are excellent, but if you want to check him out
a little first, get the single for either 'Remember' or 'Flaming
June', both of which should be in general release right now (I think
remember came out last week or the week before). You might also still
be able to find the single for 'Blue Skies' which he did with Tori
Amos, and would probably be the best introduction if you can find
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From: Matthew J Abate <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) AFX & BT
Date: 24 Feb 1998 16:26:16 -0700 (MST)


> oh, yeah, what's bt like? i mean what sort of music, what sort of beat etc.
> and can anyone recommend any albums from them or anyone else?

Both albums are good in my opinion. They tend to be kind of spiritually
oriented. That may just be a vibe that I get from the liner notes though.
Have you ever heard that song "Blue Skys" with Tori Amos singing the
lyrics? That's BT. Apparently a lot of people don't like him, but I saw
him at the Crystal Method Show in Phoenix and BT was a thousand times
better than CM. Course I like him more anyway. Really a different sound
though. The closest thing that I have to him is Moby, but it's not really
that either.

Just check it out. Get Ima first. www.RepriseRec.com/bt (I think.
Something close to that).

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From: brian lorraine <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) halcion single??
Date: 24 Feb 1998 21:20:48 -0500 (EST)



there has to be SOME album that the original version of halcion (not live)
is on.. must ust have it... i dont care who i have to kil.. er i mean who
i have to brib..er talk to yea thats the ticket.. i dont suppose someone
cud help me out... with info that is.. >:P.. although a sniper rifle and
names of ppl who own this album wud be helpful hehe >:)

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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) halcion single??
Date: 24 Feb 1998 21:25:41 -0500




brian lorraine wrote:

> there has to be SOME album that the original version of halcion (not live)
> is on.. must ust have it... i dont care who i have to kil.. er i mean who
> i have to brib..er talk to yea thats the ticket.. i dont suppose someone
> cud help me out... with info that is.. >:P.. although a sniper rifle and
> names of ppl who own this album wud be helpful hehe >:)

Radiccio single.  I think I spellqed it right.

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From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) halcion single??
Date: 24 Feb 1998 19:12:59 PST


>there has to be SOME album that the original version of halcion (not
live)

I am sure that it is out there somewhere, but I must correct you and say
that halcion is not a song, but rather a medication.  Please dont mess
up on the name.  Whether Halycon (correct spelling) is the UK version of
Halcion or not, I am not sure.  I have seen 2 drugs with very similar
names, Halcion and Haldol.  Does anyone else know which one it is?
Thanks.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Whaddawewant? VIDS!
Date: 25 Feb 1998 13:36:30 +0100


Hi all

Went to see the Propellerheads last night here in Belgium - I can honestly say that they're a lot better than the duff NME reviews suggested. Are they playing on the Vapour UK tour or not?

Anyroad, point of all this... got back and decided to do some ironing (as you do) and so I put on the Prodigy video for some background listening.... I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but it's about bloody time Orbital put out something similar. Judging by the number of 'just seen xxx video for the first time on MTV's new "crack of dawn" show and it rocked' posts here I think a compilation of such vids / live numbers for general release would be more than justified.

People power! Let's make a call on this one!

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From: "matt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) AFX & BT
Date: 25 Feb 1998 08:12:56 -0500


> are 1,2,4, and however many more, as good? and what
> are the track names?


they are good..stay away from track 2 (you'll go insane)

the first 7 tracks are included on the vinyl and have track names
1).215061
2).1993841
3).0180871a
4).942937
5).0180871b
6).000860569
7).55237728032581
10)AFX 6/b
the other tracks come on cd only and have no names ..on the vinyl..3 and 5
are contained on a lock groove  and each track comes out of a different ear

                                  matt(has no life at all)

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From: brian lorraine <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) bonjovi/halcyon live
Date: 25 Feb 1998 11:18:29 -0500 (EST)


my roomie and i were just discussion how well the ending of halcyon live
sounds.. with bon jovi and that other song being mixed together..

did the hartnolls ever explain how they discovered that those two patterns
matched so well? I mean u dont just wake up one morning and say "hey..
lets see if we can amke some cools songs mixing bon jovi with other
stuff".. hehe >:P


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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) bonjovi/halcyon live
Date: 25 Feb 1998 09:02:09 PST


**
my roomie and i were just discussion how well the ending of halcyon live
sounds.. with bon jovi and that other song being mixed together..

did the hartnolls ever explain how they discovered that those two
patterns matched so well? I mean u dont just wake up one morning and say
"hey.. lets see if we can amke some cools songs mixing bon jovi with
other stuff".. hehe >:P
**

Well.. as far as I know.. this is how it happened.  Phil woke up one
morning, rubbed his bald head and said "Hmm.. I'm hungry.. maybe I
should meet Paul for breakfast."  So Phil phoned up Paul and said "Hey
Paul, let's meet for some breakfast."  So the two brothers met at a nice
outdoor place for some breakfast.  Yum yum.  The cafe was playing some
bon jovi.. then somebody drove by with their car windows down and the
stereo turned up, loudly singing along to belinda Carlisle... the two
brothers looked up at each other from their plates, as they were just
shoveling food into their mouths and said "AHA!"  And.. well.. I'll end
the story there because I have to go back to class.  Buh bye now
everybody.  You were close Brian.. but I have the *real* story *poke*
*poke* watch out for seafood.

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From: James Brostek <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) bonjovi/halcyon live
Date: 25 Feb 1998 12:05:19 -0500 (EST)



I would that they somewhat preplanned and knew that these would match and
decided to throw it in.  The other song is well known in 80's dance
music...and bon jovi, well its close.  I was impressed with the pattern,
starting with jovi, moving to the other track then fading and reversing
the second track...but comming form orbital after hearing alot of their
released work I would say its just them.

:
: did the hartnolls ever explain how they discovered that those two patterns
: matched so well? I mean u dont just wake up one morning and say "hey..
: lets see if we can amke some cools songs mixing bon jovi with other
: stuff".. hehe >:P

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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Off for a week.....Bournemouth :(
Date: 25 Feb 1998 13:55:02 +0000


> I thought Mr. Gerbik was the part played by Q-bert in that song.. anyway,
> quite interesting.

    Interesting is an understatement.

> Btw, anyone know of a place on the Internet where you can buy the "times
> fly" EP and any of the "omen" singles?

    You can get Times Fly on CD at cdnow.com, or you can get the 12" or
the 7" vinyl from ab-cd.com

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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) halcion single??
Date: 25 Feb 1998 14:03:58 +0000


> I am sure that it is out there somewhere, but I must correct you and say
> that halcion is not a song, but rather a medication.  Please dont mess
> up on the name.  Whether Halycon (correct spelling) is the UK version of
> Halcion or not, I am not sure.  I have seen 2 drugs with very similar
> names, Halcion and Haldol.  Does anyone else know which one it is?
> Thanks.

    Well, I'm pretty sure that Halcion is just how the version of the
medication that was marketed in the US was spelled. I'm also pretty
sure that the European (Or maybe just English) variant of the drug is
spelled 'Halcyon'. Ah, well. I don't suppose it's all that important,
really..

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From: "Jeff Fanno" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Halcyon+on+on+on
Date: 25 Feb 1998 11:22:40 PST


Re:  Mixing Bon Jovi/Belinda Carlisle
  The story I've heard, I believe it's the truth, is that Jon Bon Jovi
believed Ms. Carlisle stole the melody of  "You Give Love A Bad Name"
and she used it for her Heaven On Earth song.  He actually took her to
court over this, I don't know the outcome, though.  The Hartnolls, heard
this as well and to find out for themselves they played them on top of
each and low and behold -it fits.  How they worked this into Halcyon is
a story they'd have to tell themselves, because I don't have the answer,
maybe Steve Price does.  Steve when are you coming home?   Anyway,
that's the rest of the story.  I hope that helps, confuses or enlightens
someone.

Bye,
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From: Peter Backx <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) AFX & BT
Date: 25 Feb 1998 20:41:51 +0100 (MET)


On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Morey Gamble wrote:

>     I think both albums are excellent, but if you want to check him out
> a little first, get the single for either 'Remember' or 'Flaming
> June', both of which should be in general release right now (I think
> remember came out last week or the week before). You might also still
> be able to find the single for 'Blue Skies' which he did with Tori
> Amos, and would probably be the best introduction if you can find
> it..

And if you're really a fan, you can get Paul Van Dyk's remixes of
'flaming june' and 'blue skies' on 'Perspective', a great remix double-cd
by pvd.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) halcion the drug
Date: 25 Feb 1998 19:04:33 EST


Unless I'm badly mistaken, I believe the drug is also spelled Halcyon....


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From: brian lorraine <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) that LIVE rush >:))))
Date: 25 Feb 1998 19:42:59 -0500 (EST)


for some reason i luuuv hearing the live songs moreso than the originals
halcyon live on In Sides
Tgwtsihh live on the new satan singel
etc..

Hearing those whistles and claps and such... i dunno... orbitals music is
so emotional as it is.. the crowd just throws in something that makes the
listening experience almost indescribable..

has the brothers ever thought about putting out an album of just LIVE
STUFF? I'd kill to have the following songs all live on one albumL
halcyon, tgwtsihh, lush, out there somewhere.. >:0


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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) that LIVE rush >:))))
Date: 25 Feb 1998 20:08:13 -0500




brian lorraine wrote:

> Hearing those whistles and claps and such... i dunno... orbitals music is
> so emotional as it is.. the crowd just throws in something that makes the
> listening experience almost indescribable..

Hearing whistles in the crowd makes the listening experience almost unbearable.

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Subject: Re: (orbital) that LIVE rush >:))))
Date: 25 Feb 1998 19:37:41 -0600 (CST)


On 02/25/98 20:08:13 you wrote:
>
>
>
>
>brian lorraine wrote:
>
>> Hearing those whistles and claps and such... i dunno... orbitals music is
>> so emotional as it is.. the crowd just throws in something that makes the
>> listening experience almost indescribable..
>
>Hearing whistles in the crowd makes the listening experience almost unbearable.
>


And they are totally unnessary. Its kinda funny on the Orbital live track the
crowd noise was specially recorded to give the "live" feel. Orbital don't use
any mic'd up instruments in their show like a band with vocals and guitars would.

"Play some fucking Bon Jovi.....Woo" really doesn't add a damn thing to my listening
experience.

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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) that LIVE rush >:))))
Date: 25 Feb 1998 20:44:58 -0500




[e-mail] wrote:

> On 02/25/98 20:08:13 you wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >brian lorraine wrote:
> >
> >> Hearing those whistles and claps and such... i dunno... orbitals music is
> >> so emotional as it is.. the crowd just throws in something that makes the
> >> listening experience almost indescribable..
> >
> >Hearing whistles in the crowd makes the listening experience almost unbearable.
> >
>
> And they are totally unnessary. Its kinda funny on the Orbital live track the
> crowd noise was specially recorded to give the "live" feel. Orbital don't use
> any mic'd up instruments in their show like a band with vocals and guitars would.
>
> "Play some fucking Bon Jovi.....Woo" really doesn't add a damn thing to my listening
> experience.

Indeed.  I like the live stuff because I find it interesting to hear variations on the
standard, not crowd noise.  I know some live Chems stuff comes with the option of niose
or no, although I believe it's only on those big black round things.

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From: jeremy roethel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Halcyon single (not live)
Date: 25 Feb 1998 22:35:49 -0500 (EST)


The non-live version of this tune is track no. 9 on the brown disc
(Orbital 2 I think it's simply referred to)..

same disc that has lush 3-1, planet of the shapes, etc...

or you could be REALLY cool and just go buy the hackers soundtrack.. 8)

*duck*

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From: [e-mail] (Don Thompson)
Subject: Re: (orbital) That LIVE rush
Date: 25 Feb 1998 21:29:48 -0600


Hey,
         You can find all of those songs live on the Satan Live singles
1-3. They have Out There Somewhere, TGWTSIHH, Chime, Lush, and of course
Satan live....well...they should be pretty easy to get from CdNow or
Music Boulevard.....I hope I've helped.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Halcion the drug
Date: 26 Feb 1998 01:25:02 EST


     I work in a major chain of pharmacies, here in the states.  When I first
saw the drug, I was very amused that orbital had composed a song with a
similar name.  The correct spelling is Halcion............not Halcyon.  The
drug is used for the temporary treatment of insomnia.  It is a benzodiazepine
(a dirivitive of diazepam [Valium]).  It is a very powerful drug.  The generic
name for it is triazolam.  It comes in .25 mg and .50 mg strengths.  Valium is
avaliable in 2 mg, 5 mg, and 10 mg strengths.  That should give some idea of
its strength.  For the most part, it is not prescribed for more than ten daze.
There have been very weird side effects from it.  Including:  memory loss,
paranoia, sleep (of course), and violence.  It also ranks very high in the
most abused category of the United States Drug Enforcements list.  I am not
promoting the use of this powerful drug.....  But, if you want to abuse it, do
so with caution!

Thanks for making it this far into my b.s.,

Burrito
a.k.a.-------Andy


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From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Halcyon
Date: 25 Feb 1998 23:41:42 -0800


Does anyone think that maybe the brothers were referring to the fabled bird
and not the drug?  I know their mom used to take halcion, but the way the
song title is spelled is the same for the bird.  The bird actually suits the
song more then the drug.
just a thought
cya
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From: Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Halcyon
Date: 26 Feb 1998 02:49:24 -0500




morpheus wrote:

> Does anyone think that maybe the brothers were referring to the fabled bird
> and not the drug?  I know their mom used to take halcion, but the way the
> song title is spelled is the same for the bird.  The bird actually suits the
> song more then the drug.
> just a thought

Kind of a double entendre (is that how it's written/what I mean??)... no wait,
it's a triple entendre, because it refers to the bird, the drug and the general
euphoric feeling, which all kind of tie together.  At least it does at nearly
three in the morning after finishing 8 hours straight of programming and
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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) that LIVE rush >:))))
Date: 26 Feb 1998 15:02:09 +0000


> has the brothers ever thought about putting out an album of just LIVE
> STUFF? I'd kill to have the following songs all live on one albumL
> halcyon, tgwtsihh, lush, out there somewhere.. >:0

    If I remember correctly, that was the original idea that ended up
becoming the Satan Live singles. They had wanted originally to do a
live album documenting the tour, but it ended up being spilt up onto
the singles..

-Morey





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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Halcyon
Date: 26 Feb 1998 15:13:18 +0000


> Does anyone think that maybe the brothers were referring to the fabled bird
> and not the drug?  I know their mom used to take halcion, but the way the
> song title is spelled is the same for the bird.  The bird actually suits the
> song more then the drug.
> just a thought

    Since we've been through this about a hundred times on this list,
(and since Steve's temporarily away), I'll retell the story for the
benefit of those who are new to the list, but I'll give the short
version in deference to those who have heard it before. The song is
indeed named after the drug, which their mother used to take and
apparently had some sort of problems with (the nature of which I
don't know and won't speculate on). And I'm pretty sure that the
English variant of the drug is spelled with a 'y' instead of an 'i'.

-Morey





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From: "Morey Gamble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) that LIVE rush >:))))
Date: 26 Feb 1998 15:13:18 +0000


> >Hearing whistles in the crowd makes the listening experience almost unbearable.
> >
> And they are totally unnessary. Its kinda funny on the Orbital live track the
> crowd noise was specially recorded to give the "live" feel. Orbital don't use
> any mic'd up instruments in their show like a band with vocals and guitars would.

    They do, however, have a live mic attached to one of the keyboard
stands that they use to talk to the audience occasionally. You can
hear it at the end of Impact on the third Satan Live disc.

-Morey





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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) afx, belinda/bon jovi, bt
Date: 26 Feb 1998 22:15:51 +0000


At 01:19 22/2/98 -0500, Frederic Fournier wrote:
>
>Verdict: This guy has genius enough to be compared with P&P!

His 'Bummy' track on Mike Paradinas' Planet Mu compilation 'Mealtime' is
ace too. That's the most recent track of his as far as I know (it's
probably still ten years old though). Top stuff on there too from mu-ziq,
Plug, Jega and various others.

At 11:22 25/2/98 PST, Jeff Fanno wrote:
>
>Jon Bon Jovi
>believed Ms. Carlisle stole the melody of  "You Give Love A Bad Name"
>and she used it for her Heaven On Earth song.
>The Hartnolls, heard
>this as well and to find out for themselves they played them on top of
>each and low and behold -it fits.

But they were doing the Belinda Carlisle thing before they started using
Bon Jovi as well (at least in October '94), so I'd suppose they heard the
about the similarity sfter they'd started using the Belinda Carlisle samples.

At 20:41 25/2/98 +0100, Peter Backx wrote:
>
>And if you're really a fan, you can get Paul Van Dyk's remixes of
>'flaming june' and 'blue skies' on 'Perspective', a great remix double-cd
>by pvd.

The best BT track I've heard is the Sasha mix of 'Embracing the Sunshine'.
Sasha's best ever mix (just beats the Reese Project one).

cheers,
Jon

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From: Peter Lundholm <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(orbital) bonjovi/halcyon live
Date: 27 Feb 1998 08:37:56 +0100


At 11.18 -0500 98-02-25, brian lorraine wrote:
>my roomie and i were just discussion how well the ending of halcyon live
>sounds.. with bon jovi and that other song being mixed together..
>
>did the hartnolls ever explain how they discovered that those two patterns
>matched so well?

I thought that the fact that those two songs are similar was common
knowledge ( there was a lot of talk about it somewhere in the 80's) , but
what do I know? =) I only make games....




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From: "Anthony W. Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) White Noise
Date: 27 Feb 1998 03:17:37 -0600


Cool new compilation called White Noise is on shelves now.  Starts out with
the latest Uberzone "The Freaks" and continues with some really cool,
original stuff. Never heard of any of the artists on it besides Crystal
"Cheap-Shit Chem Bros Clones" Method.


Q of Uberzone is probably the best drum programmer I've heard.


Anthony



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From: Frederic Fournier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) that LIVE rush >:))))
Date: 28 Feb 1998 01:10:15 -0500 (EST)


On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Morey Gamble wrote:

>     If I remember correctly, that was the original idea that ended up
> becoming the Satan Live singles. They had wanted originally to do a
> live album documenting the tour, but it ended up being spilt up onto
> the singles..

And is there any particular reason (besides making fans pay more) that
they split satan live on three cds when it could have fit on one?



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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Anal Bubb 3 + others
Date: 28 Feb 1998 17:01:52 -0000


>the first 7 tracks are included on the vinyl and have track names
>1).215061
>2).1993841
>3).0180871a
>4).942937
>5).0180871b
>6).000860569
>7).55237728032581
>10)AFX 6/b
>the other tracks come on cd only and have no names ..on the vinyl..3 and 5
>are contained on a lock groove  and each track comes out of a different ear
>
  >                                matt(has no life at all)

This is an excellent album....i was listening to it on my laptop (on a 3
hour train ride). There was a lad sitting opposite and i could see his
foot tapping. I had my earphones connected but it appears he was
catching the sounds. Towards the end of the journey he actually asked me
a few questions about the tracks. He had heard of Aphex but didnt
realise about this album or Hangable Autobulb ep(s) / the other
Analogues. I played him some other stuff....he was gob-smacked.
I think that the first track (215061) on AB3 is awesome....very
computeristic but crafted well. Listen to "Elephant Song" on errmmm
(cant remember which one) for the AFX guide to absolute simplistic
composition (but again...who would have thought of sampling an Elephant)
or "Everyday" on Hangable Autobulb 2...which is one of my personal
favourite AFX tracks.

He is definatly totally fucked up...but the majority of the times his
constructed beats are complicated and his imagination turns a track into
"ive got to listen to this again" track!

Btw...im back.....no grannies for me :(

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine
www.rise.co.uk/orbital

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From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) BJ and BC
Date: 28 Feb 1998 17:03:35 -0000


>my roomie and i were just discussion how well the ending of halcyon live
>sounds.. with bon jovi and that other song being mixed together..
>
>did the hartnolls ever explain how they discovered that those two patterns
>matched so well? I mean u dont just wake up one morning and say "hey..
>lets see if we can amke some cools songs mixing bon jovi with other
>stuff".. hehe >:P

It was a bit of a piss take as i understand it. I cant remember if it
was BC that was gonna sue BJ or vica versa...but the idea was that one
artist thought that it sounded too similar to their own track. I think
P&P just picked up on it.

Cheers

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine
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From: Reece KH <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) halcion the drug
Date: 28 Feb 1998 18:26:53 GMT


Unless I'm badly mistaken, you're badly mistaken :)

> Unless I'm badly mistaken, I believe the drug is also spelled Halcyon....


-= over and out =-

reece


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From: Reece KH <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Halcyon
Date: 28 Feb 1998 18:27:51 GMT


> And I'm pretty sure that the
> English variant of the drug is spelled with a 'y' instead of an 'i'.

steve said it wasn't

-= over and out =-

reece


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From: Scott Sandau <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) They did it again!!
Date: 28 Feb 1998 01:47:43 -0500


Well they did it again!!!! My brother was looking for some new music to
listen to for his 1 hr drive home from my place. So I lent him the brown
album. Well I get a call later that day proclaiming how awesome it was.
I guess another person has seen the error of there ways and come to the
light to repent.
Scott




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From: ZenAngel7 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) moonshine mixed vol. six
Date: 28 Feb 1998 14:49:41 EST


I have just bought this album, Moonshine mixed vol. six and I love it, big
beats and big adrenaline rush. but the name Steve Levy sounds awfuly
familiar...
I think I might have talked to him once online.

hmmmm.
sam.


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From: ZenAngel7 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) moonshinemix6
Date: 28 Feb 1998 14:53:46 EST


I have just bought this album, Moonshine mixed vol. six and I love it, big
beats and big adrenaline rush. but the name Steve Levy sounds awfuly
familiar...
I think I might have talked to him once online.

hmmmm.
sam.


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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) that LIVE rush >:))))
Date: 28 Feb 1998 18:58:22 +0000


At 01:10 28/2/98 -0500, Frederic Fournier wrote:
>
>And is there any particular reason (besides making fans pay more) that=20
>they split satan live on three cds when it could have fit on one?

Probably something to do with the stupid rules regarding CD single length
in this country (no more than 25 mins unless it's just mixes, then you're
allowed 40 mins). That's why Times Fly and the Peel Session didn't count as
singles here.=20
They did only charge =A31.99 for each CD to start with though, which gives
you a live mini-album for =A36, which is pretty good value, I think.=20

cheers,
Jon

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) FW: Whaddawewant? VIDS!
Date: 25 Feb 1998 14:29:31 +0100




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Sent:     woensdag 25 februari 1998 13:36
Importance:     High

Hi all

Went to see the Propellerheads last night here in Belgium - I can honestly say that they're a lot better than the duff NME reviews suggested. Are they playing on the Vapour UK tour or not?

Anyroad, point of all this... got back and decided to do some ironing (as you do) and so I put on the Prodigy video for some background listening.... I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but it's about bloody time Orbital put out something similar. Judging by the number of 'just seen xxx video for the first time on MTV's new "crack of dawn" show and it rocked' posts here I think a compilation of such vids / live numbers for general release would be more than justified.

People power! Let's make a call on this one!

Taraa

Filthy Mick


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) that LIVE rush >:))))
Date: 25 Feb 1998 18:04:42 -0800


Danny Colquhoun wrote:

> > >> Hearing those whistles and claps and such... i dunno... orbitals music is
> > >> so emotional as it is.. the crowd just throws in something that makes the
> > >> listening experience almost indescribable..
> > >
> > >Hearing whistles in the crowd makes the listening experience almost unbearable.
> > >
I guess some of you would rather sit at home and listen to Orbital
then actually go see them live then? After all there's all those
annoying cheers....

> >
> > And they are totally unnessary. Its kinda funny on the Orbital live track the
> > crowd noise was specially recorded to give the "live" feel. Orbital don't use
> > any mic'd up instruments in their show like a band with vocals and guitars would.
> >
> > "Play some fucking Bon Jovi.....Woo" really doesn't add a damn thing to my listening
> > experience.

Guess you will never be able to enjoy any live bootlegs then, too bad.

>
> Indeed.  I like the live stuff because I find it interesting to hear variations on the
> standard, not crowd noise.  I know some live Chems stuff comes with the option of niose
> or no, although I believe it's only on those big black round things.

I have always found Orbital so incredibly moving live that I hardly
even notice anyone else is there but them and me.
If you collect live bootlegs then crowd noise is just a fact of life,
all the unique variations from show to show make them exiting,
even though the quality of the recodings are no where near the studio
versions. The live experience is supposed to capture the whole thing,
crowd and all, if they didn't add crowd noise then who is to say
that anyone was even there when they played?
I really don't see why it annoys you...

Paul Tribble
Music Director
Radio Free Underground
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Halcyon
Date: 26 Feb 1998 00:11:22 -0800


because it refers to the bird, the drug and the general
> euphoric feeling, which all kind of tie together.

I think he's right. Or more likely it just refers to the general
feeling. Look it up in the dictionary...
The way the song is, it doesn't seem like the kind of song that
would put you right to sleep like the drug does, perhaps the bird
could be what they refer to, but most likely the song induces
a feeling of halcyon. And don't forget about +on+on, that probably
doesn't mean birds or drugs either...the feeling goes on and on.
Just my thoughts on the matter...

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