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From: "Dmitriy Sommer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) underworld question & orbital comment
Date: 01 Jul 1997 01:25:47 +0300


 [e-mail] wrote :

> ok, I've got a question about the first song on 2nd toughest in the
> infants....the track listing is:
> juanita: i
> kiteless:
> to dream of love:
> Now I've always called it juanita for the sake of convenience, but how does
> it go?  are there 3 parts to the song, or is the whole thing called juanita
> and there are 2 parts called kiteless and to dream of love?  I can find
> several sort-of "breaks" in the song where a division is possible, so I can't
> decide which way it goes.....

There are 3 parts of the song :
Juanita
it has lyrics ( "your rails , your thin etc" ) and it ends
, i think , at about 6:15 , then
"Kitless" is starting
"To Dream Of Love" starts at ~12:15 and it has lyrics "There's a sound on the other side ..."
Thats only my opinion , maybe there's just 2 parts of Juanita --- "Kitless" and "To Dream.."...

Hmmmmmm .... now I cant decide what's right and whats wrong .... ;-)

Better ask Karl Hyde --- [e-mail] ...
But I can't guarantee that he will answer. ;-)


     With best regards , Dmitriy

         [e-mail]




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From: Udi Romanowsky <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Hey All..
Date: 01 Jul 1997 04:16:43 +0300 (IDT)


Well hey :)
my name is udi , im from israel and im of course an orbital fan ..
been watching this mailing list .. and it's kewl... it's nice to learn stuff
about orbital , and also i'm sure it will be nice to teach u guys some
stuff.. (if i can) .

Bye
udi



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Lollapalooza
Date: 01 Jul 1997 01:14:23 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-06-28 03:15:15 EDT, [e-mail] (Matthew
Hurtgen) writes:

<<  My buddies and I used Jedi Mind Tricks to get
 there so we danced right in front like the freaks we are.  At the end Paul
 stepped out to accept the gratitude of a few of us up front.

damn i tried everything i could to get down there grrrrr, i got stuck as
close as i could get without having to deal with crapo security. :)

 I recommend that you catch eels on the second stage.  They were really
 good.   >>
the eels kicked it man, a friend of mine and i met the sound guy at our hotel
in atlanta he got us back stage (for stage 2) ... got to dance around in the
brainforest good place to get away from the heat...    DRAGON*CON kicked ass

                             joe
"perfection is crap"


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Insides art????
Date: 01 Jul 1997 02:25:58 -0400 (EDT)


Does anyone know if there is any signifigance (pardon my spelling) to the
pictures/artwork in the inlay of insides????


Ken


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From: Matthew Hurtgen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Lollapalooza Description
Date: 01 Jul 1997 03:19:53 -0400


Paul (the larger one) did the soundcheck at the WPB show. =

There were three A-frame keyboard stands stocked with imposing gagetry
which formed a "U" around the brothers.  They were wearing dark clothes a=
nd
"glasses" without lenses. Instead the frames had small but strong lights =
on
either side of them.  The effect was really cool because the boys bobbed
their heads and the beams cut through the darkened smokey stage.  When
Satan began an excited young man yelled out "Satan!" and lightning quick
Paul triggered a red laser beam that is also on the "glasses" and pegged
the guy who said it.  It was so cool and the vibe was amazing as the band=

connected with the audience.  Each of the five screens showed the same
video for the most part.  Three of them were up above and behind P&P in a=

crescent and the other two were to the sides up front. The opening had a
green frequency line tweaking away in the middle of the screens.  I didn'=
t
watch them for the most part because I was shakin' what my father gave me=
=2E =

Halcyon had an orange meat grinder or something spinning with a handle an=
d
Satan had fierce black and white fotage of violence.    A glitterball abo=
ut
four feet in diameter didn't hang but instead spun on the floor of the
stage behind everything.  The coolest visuals for me was when Orbital was=

bathed in purple black light and the disco ball shot orange shafts of lig=
ht
into the night sky.  Out of the three times I have seen them this was the=

weakest.  To me it lacked the important element of a large dancing crowd.=
 =

Because the seating was assingned and the cheesy ampitheater was strict
about it, the audience was scattered pitifully.  There are plastic seats
everywhere so I'm sure some people couldn't  go off like they wanted.  Th=
is
is dance music after all !  Even though, I may catch the show again in
Boston on the 8th and NYC on the 11th.  My doctor has recommended  Orbita=
l
in live doses as often as I can get.  In fact he said that I could not
overdose and any excess Orbital would be absorbed harmlessly by others
around me.

     Love,   Rev. Lightfinger    "... and on the eigth day God created
Light, and he saw it was good."  This Post

Friday 4th of July - Q: Symbiosis and Robbie Hardkiss or Uberzone and The=

Crystal method?
                                     A: If you are Lightfinger you go to
both.  =


P.S.  Be vigilant of your freedoms.  Appreciate them while they last. USA=

has the mac daddy of all charters - The Constitutiuon!  Let freedom ring,=

my brothers and sisters.    =



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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) underworld question & orbital comment
Date: 01 Jul 1997  9:46:36


Mr Fish,

>>ok, I've got a question about the first song on 2nd toughest in the
infants....the track listing is:
juanita: i
kiteless:
to dream of love:
Now I've always called it juanita for the sake of convenience, but how does
it go?  are there 3 parts to the song, or is the whole thing called juanita
and there are 2 parts called kiteless and to dream of love?  I can find
several sort-of "breaks" in the song where a division is possible, so I can't
decide which way it goes.....<<

It's all one song but it has three titles, I think. I suppose it's meant to be
like those prog rock classics from the 70s.  You know, where you'd get "Part 1
- The Sorceror's Cave", and so on.

ian


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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) I'm back!!
Date: 01 Jul 1997 10:33:50


Hey hey hey

>>You might remember me, I'm the childish one who bosses everyone
around, listens to loads of happy hardcore and won't hear a word
against it.

.....anyway...I'm back!!<<

top one sorted! were you at the Muzik Tropic tent at Tribal Gathering? Do you
like Scooter? let's hear those whistles!

ian


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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Vocal Samples
Date: 01 Jul 1997 10:27:37


Brain!

belated reply.

thanks for all the stuff about Batlimore/DC rave scene and the evils of MTV. We
have MTV Europe over here. I'm not sure what the difference is. I will never
understand why the rave scene took off in England first and then the rest of
Europe without ever really breaking through in the States even though that's
where the music comes from in the first place.

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        "Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day"
              -Orbital "Planet of the Shapes"-

>you do know this is from "Withnail & I", yes? Yes?

actually no.. what's that?<<

British film of the eighties, set in the late 60s, about two unemployable
actors, starring Paul McGann and Richard E. Grant. I can't summarise its plot
without making it sound stupid, but many people would describe it as their
favourite ever film. It's about the end of the Sixties, destructive
friendships, alcohol abuse, and that kind of thing.

Ever seen Wayne's World 2? One of the characters from that is Danny the Dealer
from "Withnail and I"?

One thing that might well have come up on this list before is where do Orbital
get their spoken word samples from. Some I know, some I don't, and one or two
have been driving me mad trying to guess.

So...

"Even a stopped clock..." - Withnail & I

"There is the theory of the moebius..." - Star Trek the Next Generation

"-Daddy? -Yes Son? ..." - 'Sweatloaf' by everyone's favourites The Butthole
Surfers

etc.

BUT where does

"It's a cry... a cry for survival... "

on the Brown Album's "Planet of the Shapes" (isn't it?) come from? This has
been driving me mad ever since I got that album. It sounds kind of like "Doctor
Who" or some other British science fiction TV series, but a bit too wigged out.
Bah.

ian


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:New samples at LOOPZ
Date: 01 Jul 1997 12:37:56 BST


All,

There are 2 new samples at the LOOPZ site.

Speed Freak (live at Norwich 1992!)
Saint/Sinner (live at Tribal 1997)

Http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa

cut and paste

then follow links to ORBITAL then SAMPLES

njoi

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine
Issue 3 out Mid June (Limited Colour Edition)
Prices announced on the Loopz website when available

"What do u mean gonna be....i am one of the Faces!"
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) The Box
Date: 01 Jul 1997 12:12:46 GMT



>The Box Parts Ia and Ib are on the first CD, then...
>The Box Parts Ib, II, III, and IV, are on the second.

????????!!!!!!

>Part II comes in when you start to hear that creaking sound, or where
>Part Ib would end on the first CD. I must say that I absolutely LOVE the
>harpsichord part of II. III and IV, respectively, come after brief
>silences in the song, just to pretty much separate them. IV sounds a lot
>like part I, and starts off exactly like Part Ia, but then starts
>sounding more like Ib, only this time with lyrics.

Just listen to the bloody thing and be done with it - who cares what
the trax are called how long they are, how long it took Paul to eat
his chips in the studio whilst recording it blah blah blah

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) I'm back!!
Date: 01 Jul 1997 12:20:17 GMT



>top one sorted! were you at the Muzik Tropic tent at Tribal Gathering? =
Do you=20

no, I was kicking myself for not going to TG on the night, I'm
definitely going to TG98!!!

>like Scooter?

no, they're shit IMO, and it's not happy hardcore really.

20 years ago, they called it disco!! 20 years later now it's hardcore
techno!!! where will we be 20 years from now? the DJ Vibes & MC
LiveLee showing you how!!!

>let's hear those whistles!=20

PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!!!!!!=
!!!
white gloves, glostix & whistles with this kid!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Glastonbury...what a laugh!!
Date: 01 Jul 1997 15:40:58 +0100


Just got back from the Glastonbury festival and the whole place went
totally ballistic this weekend. No worries about the rain and mud,
no-one gave a shit. Prodigy were crap. They kept on stop starting,
couldn't really get into it. Chemical Brothers, rocked the whole place.
There were special guests lined up to play on the Sunday evening, word
had it that is was going to Oasis, The Rolling Stones and Orbital. But,
i knew it wasn't going to be Orbital, as they were doing the
lollapalooza festivals (don't think i spelt it correctly) in the USA.
The Dance tent was buzzing all the time. See you all at the Megadog
2-day festival at Lizard, Cornwall 8th/9th August.


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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) underworld question & orbital comment
Date: 01 Jul 1997 05:01:21 PDT


>Now the Orbital comment....I swear that every time I flip thru the
channels,
>when I hit MTV, Bill Bellamy's talking and he's got Orbital playing in
the
>background (usually Lush 3-1, but sometimes others)  has anyone else
noticed
>this?

hehe yea i know. the radio station here (HFS) always does that too with
stuff by orbital and the much older stuff by the prodigy. If only they'd
play the videos ya' know???? >:P

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From: "Chris.Hilker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Vocal Samples
Date: 01 Jul 1997 07:58:43 -0700


>"It's a cry... a cry for survival... "
>
>on the Brown Album's "Planet of the Shapes" (isn't it?) come from?

Er, it's on "Impact," and it's from a French film dubbed into English,
but nobody seems to know which film.

C.

--
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:Halcyon the drug
Date: 01 Jul 1997 16:13:32 BST


>Its banned in the states but available over there
>in England. Causes too many weird side effects.

Its banned here as well...actually. I think it was about 1982 when it was
banned.

>Orbital wrote the track for their mum who was addicted to the
>prescription drug Halcyon (an anti-depressant). The vocal loop used is
>sampled from Opus III's 'Its a Fine Day' - a bit of a hit over here in
>Blighty a number of years ago.

It was written about their mom really. She was addicted to the drug and
was given pot to get off the addiction (which worked). But then became
addicted to pot :) She is fine now. Please dont get the wrong idea about
her by all this...she is a very nice person.

Cheers

Http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/         (cut and paste)

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) re:Halcyon the drug
Date: 01 Jul 1997 15:59:13 GMT



>It was written about their mom really. She was addicted to the drug and=20
>was given pot to get off the addiction (which worked). But then became=20
>addicted to pot :) She is fine now. Please dont get the wrong idea about=
=20
>her by all this...she is a very nice person.=20

yeah - they gave her coke to get off the weed! ;)

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From:    Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) WPB: Orbital
Date: 01 Jul 1997 13:13:41 -0300 (ADT)


On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Brian Lorraine wrote:

>
>
> >Get yer butt in gear!  Don't know what you're missing!
>
> hehe well like i said.. we're pretty dry in the dc/baltimore area. all
> we have are these rave-like events at clubs. I even joined the dc raves
> mailing list and i never hear about any real raves... just this club
> stuff.. i feel so deprived

ya, it's breaking my heart.  There's gotta be what, a couple million
peope there?  I live in what passes for urban Nova Scotia...  The two
biggest cities in the province combine to gove almost 250k or so..
Clubs?  We don't have...  But there is an abundance of old buildings,
another upside of there being no work and all the businesses closing...



"Excuse me, where is the library at?"
"Here at Hahvahd, we never end a sentence with a preposition."
"O.K. Excuse me, where is the library at, _a**hole_?"

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From: Mr David Pearce <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) RE: What's Wrong
Date: 01 Jul 1997 17:33:36 +0100


I believe this sample "What's wrong?" comes from the early George Lucas =
Film "THX 1138", where Robert Duval is continually being pestered by the =
big brother type thing. Watch it - it will probably freak you out.

David HP



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re: Orb single
Date: 01 Jul 1997 13:54:15 -0400 (EDT)


>Has anyone heard an Orb single/EP called 'Asylum' ? someone bought it
>for my birthday, CD set comprises two CD's (released seperately) plus
>box. It is excellent, none of the Orbs usual terminal ambient wandering,
>just 7 tracks of total class, listenable, v.danceable, driveable (oh
>yes), the Orb are definitely back on top form. Some of the tracks sound
>like Orbital mixed with Eat Static -- you must hear this music (or has
>everyone heard/bought this months ago? oh well)
        I bought it (like I buy all Orb releases); really first class stuff.
The remixes on there are all by various UK DJ's of the original song from
their last album, Orblivion. "terminal ambient wandering", indeed! -da mook.



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From: "Ben Shively" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Dead Cities is Fucked Up!
Date: 01 Jul 1997 18:20:43 UT


Someone here on the list had said something about "The Future Sound Of
London".  Then I heard "We Have Explosive" on club.iMUSiC.com.  So I went out
and bought the "Dead Cities".  I'm totally confused about the track listing
and it's beginning to piss me off!  From looking at the back cover, it seems
to me like there are 15 tracks on it:
    1. Herd Killing
    2. Dead Cities
    3. Her Face Forms In Summertime (numbered 3)
    4. We Have Explosive (numbered 4)
    5. Everyone In The World... (numbered 5)
    6. My Kingdom (numbered 6)
    7. Max
    8. Antique Toy
    9. Quagmire
    10. In A State Of Permanent Abyss
    11. Glass (numbered 10)
    12. Yage
    13. Vit Drowning
    14. Through Your Gills I Breathe
    15. First Death In the Family (numbered 13)
But the last track mentioned in the booklet is 14.  However, there are only 13
tracks on the disc.  Can anyone make any sense of this?  And the booklet
mentions the "He thinks it's very funny" sample in track 9, but it's in track
8.  Crazy!  I wonder - Is FSOL confused or are they just trying to fuck with
our minds?
By the way, has anyone checked out http://www.vmg.co.uk/fsol (which is
mentioned on the back cover)?  That web site was created by someone totally
out of their mind.  It's kinda cool if you have nothing to do for a while (and
if you're really high).

SynTronic
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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) The Box
Date: 01 Jul 1997 14:26:59 -0500 (CDT)


On Tue, 1 Jul 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

->>The Box Parts Ia and Ib are on the first CD, then...
->>The Box Parts Ib, II, III, and IV, are on the second.
->
->????????!!!!!!
->
->>Part II comes in when you start to hear that creaking sound, or where
->>Part Ib would end on the first CD. I must say that I absolutely LOVE the
->>harpsichord part of II. III and IV, respectively, come after brief
->>silences in the song, just to pretty much separate them. IV sounds a lot
->>like part I, and starts off exactly like Part Ia, but then starts
->>sounding more like Ib, only this time with lyrics.
->
->Just listen to the bloody thing and be done with it - who cares what
->the trax are called how long they are, how long it took Paul to eat
->his chips in the studio whilst recording it blah blah blah

Hahahahahaha ;)



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From: Joseph Lachance <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital at Lolla(Raleigh)
Date: 01 Jul 1997 17:12:26 -0400 (EDT)


    While you would think that Orbital at a large venue would lose a
lot of the intimacy that small club gigs bring it wasn't all that bad.  I
caught Orbital at Lollapalooza this past sunday and to my suprise they
had a CD signing at a side tent at 5:45.  It was great to actually get to
meet the brothers hartnoll.  Here's hoping that this happens again, as it
is an excellent chance for electronic bands to make concerts more
personal, even if the venue is a big one...
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From: "Robert Young" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) orbital write-up
Date: 01 Jul 1997 16:40:33 -0500


very nice write-up on orbitals performance to Lollapalooza - Atlanta, GA.

http://www.addict.com/MNOTW/hifi

read the article titled "Lollapalooza Still Has a Trick Or Two Up It's
Sleeve"

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From: "Andrew Toth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Dead Cities is Fucked Up! + Diversions
Date: 01 Jul 1997 23:22:25 -0400


#I'm totally confused about the track listing and it's beginning to piss
#me off!  From looking at the back cover, it seems to me like there
#are 15 tracks on it:
                   ..........FILLER   PIC X(231)........
#But the last track mentioned in the booklet is 14.  However, there are
#only 13 tracks on the disc.  Can anyone make any sense of this?

oh yeah, i'll make some sense of this right now!

dont have the cd right now (lent it to a lovely friend), but i think i
recall someone mentioning that: two lines of text go with one track
listing (something to do with those snzazzy arrows that connect the
titles).  && Track 14 is a subtrack [hidden] attached to the end of 13.
So that would explain: the 15 lines of text on the back cover, the 13
tracks displayed on 'yo CD player, and the (obvious) existence of 14
vaild tracks.  just listen to the CD, i miss it.  it's great! if you need
to distinguish songs just play them back in your head and say
"ohhhh, that's the one that sounds like a helicopter helicopting under
water" <--- {track 11}!  yeah! you got it!

>By the way, has anyone checked out http://www.vmg.co.uk/

yeah i did. but it was all "graphics intensive" so i bookmarked it and
never went to it again :(

I got Diversions, it is the shit.  I love the Lush 3 // Walk about thing.
Just \who\ is this John Peel?!  That remix takes talent*.  I dont like the
LUSH 3-5 Underworld Mix right now, i'll probably like it in a few weeks.
I've heard the other two remixes on the radio and my stupid self thought
the CMU kids // DJ's were mixing it on the spot :)  Didn't know that it
was CJ Bolland and the Psychick warrias ov gaia**!  There was a scratch
that came with LUSH 3-5 or it was a digital flaww (it skips from 8:20 --?
10:00), continually.  I'll try to put some wax on it someday.

* -- All remixes take talent
** -- The Gaia Hypothesis Rulz!!

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From: "Brian A. Crawford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Dead Cities is Fucked Up! + Diversions
Date: 01 Jul 1997 23:49:51 -0400 (EDT)



On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Andrew Toth wrote:

>
> #I'm totally confused about the track listing and it's beginning to piss
> #me off!  From looking at the back cover, it seems to me like there
> #are 15 tracks on it:
>                    ..........FILLER   PIC X(231)........
> #But the last track mentioned in the booklet is 14.  However, there are
> #only 13 tracks on the disc.  Can anyone make any sense of this?

    Here is my take.  Yes, the hidden track is the 14th track... First
Death in the Family.  However, there is another track... and I believe it
is 'Max'.  Look at how the back cover says 'My Kingdom + Max'.  This is
song 6.  Song 7 would thus be Antique Toy, 8 would be Quagmire, 9 would be
In a State of Permanent Abyss, and 10 would be Glass (and it is thusly
marked).
    Now for more proof.  Look inside the cover at the samples.  7:
Child's voice recorded 'Outside of the web' at... and so on.  Now, if
there is a child's voice in the song, wouldn't the title 'Antique Toy' be
quite fitting?  Thus I believe song 6 is 'My Kingdom + Max' and song 7 is
'Antique Toy'.  There are your 2 missing tracks.
    Comments?

    Bri

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From: "Chris.Hilker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Diversions
Date: 01 Jul 1997 20:59:53 -0700


>I got Diversions, it is the shit.  I love the Lush 3 // Walk about thing.
>Just \who\ is this John Peel?!  That remix takes talent*.

John Peel is a UK radio DJ, known for bringing bands into the studio
to record live for later broadcast. "Lush 3 (Eurotunnel Disaster '94/
Walkabout" is from one such Peel Session. Mr Peel had little, if anything,
to do with the music itself.

C.

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From: Sean Granger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Dead Cities is Fucked Up! + Diversions
Date: 01 Jul 1997 23:01:36 -0500 (CDT)


i would have to say that that is one of the best analyses of the disc ive
ever heard *claps* someone should put that on a page or somethin of FSOL
because more people should know that, cuz it sounds like its right on the
money.

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On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Brian A. Crawford wrote:

> Death in the Family.  However, there is another track... and I believe it
> is 'Max'.  Look at how the back cover says 'My Kingdom + Max'.  This is
> song 6.  Song 7 would thus be Antique Toy, 8 would be Quagmire, 9 would be
> In a State of Permanent Abyss, and 10 would be Glass (and it is thusly
> marked).
>     Now for more proof.  Look inside the cover at the samples.  7:
> Child's voice recorded 'Outside of the web' at... and so on.  Now, if
> there is a child's voice in the song, wouldn't the title 'Antique Toy' be
> quite fitting?  Thus I believe song 6 is 'My Kingdom + Max' and song 7 is
> 'Antique Toy'.  There are your 2 missing tracks.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Diversions
Date: 02 Jul 1997 08:36:59 GMT


>
>>I got Diversions, it is the shit.  I love the Lush 3 // Walk about =
thing.
>>Just \who\ is this John Peel?!  That remix takes talent*.
>
>John Peel is a UK radio DJ, known for bringing bands into the studio
>to record live for later broadcast. "Lush 3 (Eurotunnel Disaster '94/
>Walkabout" is from one such Peel Session. Mr Peel had little, if =
anything,
>to do with the music itself.

allow me translate what Chris said into English - the choon is taken
from a live session especially recorded for John Peel's radio show -
the remixes are by Orbital and not by John Peel, who incidentally
kicked off his tribal gathering set with a happy hardcore choon - DJ
Kaos "Hold Me Now" on ravin' mad records RVM001, cheesy (rips off some
old 60s/70s rock effort) but a guaranteed floor filler everytime.

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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Vocal Samples
Date: 02 Jul 1997 10:06:52


>>>"It's a cry... a cry for survival... "
>
>on the Brown Album's "Planet of the Shapes" (isn't it?) come from?

Er, it's on "Impact," and it's from a French film dubbed into English,
but nobody seems to know which film.<<

All that techno crap sounds the same anyway. But if you're so clever, where
does all that stuff about the blessing of the bomb and the holy fallout &c.
come from at the start of "Desert Storm" on the Green Album?

rave on.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Vocal Samples
Date: 02 Jul 1997 09:42:36 GMT



>All that techno crap sounds the same anyway.

not even worth a reply...

>does all that stuff about the blessing of the bomb and the holy fallout =
&c.=20
>come from at the start of "Desert Storm" on the Green Album?

Beneath The Planet Of The Apes, everyone knows that, I recognised it
as soon as I heard it.

>rave on.

indeedy.



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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Vocal Samples
Date: 02 Jul 1997 11:03:13


>>>All that techno crap sounds the same anyway.

not even worth a reply...<<

it was a joke. irony. you know. or maybe that's what you meant.

>>>does all that stuff about the blessing of the bomb and the holy fallout &c.
>come from at the start of "Desert Storm" on the Green Album?

Beneath The Planet Of The Apes, everyone knows that, I recognised it
as soon as I heard it.<<

yes, I think I had heard that it was from a Planet of the Apes film. Haven't
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From: Mr David Pearce <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Real Audio Orbital
Date: 02 Jul 1997 17:22:34 +0100


Maybe I missed it being mentioned, but it's worth repeating anyway: =
There is a whole concert available via Real Audio, on the LiveConcerts =
site:

http://www.liveconcerts.com/harddrive/concerts/

If you catch it at the right time, you can get the whole gig in pretty =
good stereo. It's kind of almost as good as FM reception. I've taped the =
thing, and it sounds reasonable to me. Oh, and it has the Belinda =
Carlisle - Bon Jovi sample thing on it, which is great. Nicely segued =
into Halcyon.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Off topic electronica
Date: 02 Jul 1997 12:34:24 -0400 (EDT)


Dear Orbital List,
I sampled (listened for a couple of minutes) to Transmissions from Planet Dog
at the record store. It was used and only $10. I listened to the first disc
and the 5 songs by Eat Static were really good. I think I actually heard #3
(do they have a song on Trans European Express 3??). .. But anyway, the 3
other groups on the compilation did not "wow" me, so I decided not to buy it.

Does anyone have any input on this Transmissions album? Does anyone know of
or like Eat Static? i was tempted to buy it just for their 5 songs.... Hmm..
Well, thanks.
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From: Didger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Off topic electronica
Date: 02 Jul 1997 11:39:55 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 2 Jul 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Does anyone have any input on this Transmissions album? Does anyone know of
> or like Eat Static? i was tempted to buy it just for their 5 songs.... Hmm..
> Well, thanks.
> --->munch
>
Eat Static kicks ass!  I have to admit that I only have one of their
albums, and I haven't heard the Transmissions album, but everything that I
have heard of theirs is completely out of this world.  I would buy that
album for their 5 five songs (I mean hey, it's only 10 bucks!), and who
knows, the other songs may grow on you.  I know that has happpened to me
on occasion...  Besides, I am a strong believer in Planet Dog.  Anyone
else out there love Banco de Gaia?

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From: jeff fanno <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Off topic electronica
Date: 02 Jul 1997 12:01:25 -0700


  Anyone
>else out there love Banco de Gaia?
>
 I love BDG, I have all three of their albums and I like Maya a lot.  It's
got some very well-structured music.
BTW, I just got Analogue Theatre by CJ Bolland and I love it.  Strong
strong music that ranges from trance to breakbeat to just plain weird.  It
doesn't have to grow on you because it takes you in right away.
Finally, anyone out there seen or have Into The Mix?
It's got Mindstream by MBM, which is the Orbital remix of Remind, also got
a Prodigy tune and many other popular artists of that ilk.  It's a double
CD that is highly recommended. Enjoy.

Bye,
Jeff



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From: RKH <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) fat of the land
Date: 02 Jul 1997 21:03:17 GMT


i am definitely recommending fat of the land, that new prodigy album. you _must_ get it! it's different but similar to the
previous albums, and may take a bit to get into, but anyone who liked the prod should get it, even if they seem to think
the prodigy have "sold out" :)



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From: "Brian A. Crawford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Off topic electronica
Date: 02 Jul 1997 16:31:10 -0400 (EDT)



> Does anyone have any input on this Transmissions album? Does anyone know of
> or like Eat Static? i was tempted to buy it just for their 5 songs.... Hmm..
> Well, thanks.
> --->munch

    Nod... I have that album, my take is that it is an excellent
collection of works.  Wow, how can you have listened to the whole album
and not liked the tracks by Banco de Gaia and Timeshard?  Timeshard's 25th
Century and Crystal Oscillations are awesome, and imho almost everything
by Banco de Gaia rules (Last Train to Lhasa is their best album though, I
think).  Anyways you are right on the money with one thing, Eat Static is
full of energy and musical talent.  Give BdG another listen though... I'm
sure you won't be disappointed if you soak yourself in it for a couple of
tries.

    Bri





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From: "Matthew Bohl" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Off topic electronica
Date: 02 Jul 1997 14:35:02 -0700


>on occasion...  Besides, I am a strong believer in Planet Dog.  Anyone
>else out there love Banco de Gaia?
>
> Namaste!!!
>

The only Banco I have is there live recording from glastonbury and I
absolutely love it.  What other Banco CD's are out there?

Matt

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From: Simon Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Diversions
Date: 03 Jul 1997 23:54:14 GMT


Just \who\ is this John Peel?!
 Mr Peel had little, if anything,
>to do with the music itself.


Mr. Peel may not have mixed the music but he is the single most important
English DJ there has ever been and has had an incalculably positive effect on
music. Without him, everything from Punk on would have been very different -
bless him.

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From:    The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) I'm "missing lolla" for a reason
Date: 02 Jul 1997 19:04:23 -0400 (EDT)


On Sun, 29 Jun 1997, Michael A. Polisky wrote:

> Don't worry too much. If you haven't seen Orbital before, go see them at
> Lolla.  I've seen them twice at small venues, one of which there were
> maybe 125 people. To go see them at lolla would be depressing. I think
> most of their music would be falling upon deaf ears.  The same ears that
> were told by MTV to like Orbital and intelligent techno to begin with.
> One of the best things about the shows I saw was the intimacy. A full on
> connection between everyone who was there and the brothers P&P. If I
> thought there were a chance of that happening at lollapalooza, I would
> go. Fat chance.

    Actually, it was amazing. There was a connection. It wasn't
everybody, but at the show I went to (raleigh) I was amazed at the crowd's
reaction, especially after the way they reacted to Tricky (ouch). By the
end of the show everyone in my section was up and dancing. THey even
*finally* (halfway through Impact) let us dance in the aisles.. One of my
friends, who was more or less an Orbital fan already (1 or 2 CD's) said it
was the most amazing thing he'd ever experienced..

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supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
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From:    The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) orbital at lolla
Date: 02 Jul 1997 18:58:42 -0400 (EDT)


On Sun, 29 Jun 1997, Beej wrote:

> > I danced the entire time.  It was just spectacular. They played (and these
> > are NOT in order) Impact, P.E.T.R.O.L., Lush (not sure), The Box, Halcyon,
> > the Saint, The Girl With the Sun In Her Head, Satan, and I know i am
>
> Sounds like the exact same show I saw at the masquerade last fall in
> Atlanta, only shorter. Kinda glad I didn't go to palooza now... <grin>

    I'd say that other than the atmosphere (it was a mostly tool and
korn crowd) the show was almost as good as the Atlanta show last
July. (I think a different one from the one you're talking about). The
main differences were that they opened with Remind instead of Out There
Somewhere, which I can't really complain about. I love Out There
Somewhere, but I've seen them play it twice before. The new version (not
too terribly different from the original, slightly different sounds) of
Remind was an amazing opener, though..

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supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
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From:    The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Trent Reznor's (NIN) Sound Program
Date: 02 Jul 1997 19:11:47 -0400 (EDT)


On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Digger wrote:

> A while ago (about a month or so) we were talking about computer sound
> program that were REALLY good to edit sound with.
> Then we got into what program Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails uses.
> I would like to know what it is called.. I cna't remember off the top of my

Digidesign - ProTools (I think)

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supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
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From:    The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) ultramarine (marginal orbital content)
Date: 02 Jul 1997 19:09:37 -0400 (EDT)


On Sun, 29 Jun 1997, lysergic maximus wrote:

>     not a big deal but i just bought a copy of ultramarines album 'united
> kingdoms'...  first on their hello list was phil and paul...  interesting
> to me to say the least... i developed tastes for the two bands seperately
> and now find a connection...  just a bit odd...  anyone know if they have
> done anything together?

    Hmm, the same thing happened with me, but I got into the other
Ultramarine album..er...Every Man and Woman is a Star. I know they did a
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From: Didger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Off topic electronica
Date: 02 Jul 1997 17:56:09 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Matthew Bohl wrote:

>
> The only Banco I have is there live recording from glastonbury and I
> absolutely love it.  What other Banco CD's are out there?

Banco has two other albums that I know about.  They are Maya, and Last
Train to Lhasa.  Both are extremely good and belong in everybody's
collection.  The Glastonbury album is a live remix of a little of both of
these albums.  I just so happened to be at that very Glastonbury, although
I did not stumble upon BdG until a few months later, so I didn't get to
see that show. :(  I did however see Orbital there, and from that day
forward have been their biggest fan in Boise, Idaho!!  Let's hear it for
the Brothers H!!

gj

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From: Don Douglas <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) eat static
Date: 02 Jul 1997 23:19:58 -0400


hey wuz up,

i must say that Eat Static are awesum...i haven't seen that
Transmissions album here in Canada, so i couldn't say if those tracks
are any good, but they probably are...i just recently purchased a
complilation from the 21-3 label...it is massive and it has one track
from ES on it...i really recommmend this album to anyone who is into
psy/breakbeat trance...if not, give it a listen...it will warp your mind

...when has orbital come on around at lolla, here in toronto lolla
starts at 1:00 pm...

later,

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Subject: Re: (orbital) Off topic electronica
Date: 03 Jul 1997 01:39:15 -0400 (EDT)


Eat Static totally rocks the house....I bought their album (EP?) Epsylon
about a month ago, and have been loving it ever since.....As a matter of
fact, I'd be appreciative if anyone could point me to a discography of
theirs.

--Matt


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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) re:Lolla Reviews and TAPES! (Non Orb ;)
Date: 02 Jul 1997 23:32:29 -0700


[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Anyone want to write Lolla reviews of ORBITAL then please send them to me
> ...im looking for reviews for the next issue of LOOPZ.
>
> Also anyone who manages to tape any of the broadcasts or get any dodgy
> boot tapes then let me know (good to excellent recordings please). Ive got
> a few tapes i can trade...just a few ;)


the latter goes for too folks...I am willing to trade something from my
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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) WPB: Orbital
Date: 02 Jul 1997 23:38:36 -0700


BrAiN Lorraine wrote:
> I'd say only about 5-10% of
> the ppl in america have heard of orbital and most of those ppl only know
> them because they had a track on the SAINT soundtrack.

Actually to my surprise there are a whole lot more DJs (house,etc.) that
have heard of and heard Orbital.  Much more than expected if I do say so
myself.


By the way for those interested (yeah right) I am currently listening to
Jean Michel Jarre's "Zoolook".  Its a good album for those not too into
New Age, Fans of Laurie Anderson, or fans of humourous New Age, fans of
FSOLs "Lifeforms [Paths 1-7]


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From: [e-mail]
Subject:       Re: (orbital) fat of the land
Date: 03 Jul 1997 09:39:23


Hello all,

RKH wrote:
> i am definitely recommending fat of the land, that new prodigy
> album. you _must_ get it!"

I, myself bought the album this monday and in the last weeks I was
really looking out for it. But now that I have the album it's kind of
a disappointment. The album ISN'T better then their last album: Music
for the jilted generation for a number of reasons:
- The songs all sound very similar (except for track 9: 'Climbatize')
- 'Diesel Power' and 'Serial Thrilla' are worse than the normal rap-
  music you can hear on your local radio station. I really don't like
  these tracks, their not even getting close to the quality of
  previous songs.
- The album has only 56 minutes as opposed to 78 for 'Music for ...".

But I'm not saying the new album sucks, most of the tracks are really
good, but it just doesn't thrill me like their 2nd album.

Have a nice day,

Christiaan


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:John Peel
Date: 03 Jul 1997 10:43:05 BST



>Just \who\ is this John Peel?!
>> Mr Peel had little, if anything,
>>to do with the music itself.


>>>Mr. Peel may not have mixed the music but he is the single most
>>>important English DJ there has ever been and has had an incalculably
>>>positive effect on music. Without him, everything from Punk on would
>>>have been very different -bless him.

I couldnt agree more...well Mr Peel bit that is. Its one of them radio
shows that you will hear bloody every type of music, which i think is
good. Also i know P&P have a lot of time and respect for John Peel and
that session was the first Orbital session (just before the majority of
people jumped on the BW). "He is a very nice man!"

Steve "Shit wheres my sig...oh crap LOW GDI errors!..." Price
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From: ed naylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) CJ Bolland/London Essential Festival
Date: 03 Jul 1997 15:05:59 -0400 (EDT)


Advice please dirtylisters and Orbital Obsessives!

CJ Bolland - Live at Universe - worth 99 pence on vinyl? (HMV
Liverpool - many copies). I've never heard of this before, but
it's on R&S and includes Camargue, so it must be a fairly
worthwhile purchase.

Did anyone see the documentary about the sinking of the Glorious
on (UK) Channel 4 this week?  The camera scrolled across a list
of the dead, including a C.J.Bolland!! I was a bit the worse for
wear by that stage, but I definitely saw it. Where does "our" CJ
come from? I've always assumed he's Belgian, but don't ask me
why.

On one of the lists (I'm a little confused as to which now) we
have discussed who the "Very Special Guest" at the upcoming
London Essential do may be.  I speculated that it could be
Spiritualized, but on the latest advert they have now been
added, but there is still a reference to a "VSG".
Anyone got any news before I decide whether to go?  (Someone has
already suggested it will be the Prodge - God help us).

PS Anyone not on both of these lists is really missing out!




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From: "Brian A. Crawford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) WPB: Orbital
Date: 03 Jul 1997 10:09:32 -0400 (EDT)



> By the way for those interested (yeah right) I am currently listening to
> Jean Michel Jarre's "Zoolook".  Its a good album for those not too into
> New Age, Fans of Laurie Anderson, or fans of humourous New Age, fans of
> FSOLs "Lifeforms [Paths 1-7]

    Fear, I remember breakdancing to that song.  You have any idea
what those people are shouting or whatever in the middle of it? (sounds
like 'we wanna party')




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From: "Ben Shively" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Dead Cities
Date: 03 Jul 1997 17:58:59 UT


Those were some good explainations.  Thanks.  But, I still don't understand
why the booklet mentions the "He thinks it's very funny" sample in track 9.
It's in track 8.  I think that must be a misprint.

And wether the track listing makes sense or not, I still think FSOL is trying
to fuck with our minds.

SynTronic
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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) orbital at lolla/ dc area
Date: 03 Jul 1997 05:19:16 PDT


oh man.. had my first LIVE orbital experience at lollapalooza at the
nissan pavilion near washington dc... wooo man.. that was sumpin. Most
of the fun was not from the show itself (although i had a great time
dancing around and listening) but it was watching everyone else that was
the coolest. I doubt most of the ppl there had ever even heard of
orbital. It was awesome watching everyone suddent experience something
new and different. TOOL came on right b4 them and the lead singer was
encouraging everyone to stick around for their show. most ppl did and
boy, they got a treat. A lot of you guys are saying how much better it
is to go see orbital at a club or at and orbital concert... i'd love to
see that but just watching ppl that had never heard anything before by
orbital experience it for the first time was so much fun >:)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Techno Trivia -See who the biggest trainspotter is!!!!!!!
Date: 03 Jul 1997 16:03:51 -0500 (CDT)



Just wanted to tell you all that the Mindstorm techno trivia game has been updated for July with
a new set of 50 questions. We had over 100( and a decent number scoring over 200) users last month and I'd kinda
like to top it this month.

So if you want to test your trainspotting knowledge go to http://www.mindstorm.com/storm
log in......if you haven't before become a member( all we ask is name and E-mail) and go to the
Mindboggle area.......techno trivia is there

ENJOY
PS: We're giving away a cd to this months high scorer

**********LOGIQ'S NEW CD****************
           BIG ON MARS
     11 Tracks of Electronic Bliss
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From: jimnbob <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) errr
Date: 02 Jul 1997 19:19:07 -0700


Sometimes its too bad that the people who were once gone don't stay that
way.




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From: jimnbob <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) ohh, you know...
Date: 02 Jul 1997 19:21:35 -0700


Yes, its all coming back to me now.  The drug is available in the US but
banned in Britain, not the other way around AND THAT IS THAT about
Halcion. I swear.



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From: jimnbob <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) halcion (again)
Date: 02 Jul 1997 19:07:01 -0700


I don't mean to drive this into the ground but after looking in the PDR,
Halcion is indeed still available here in the states, though I clearly
remember controversy about people who committed murders and experienced
bizarre hallucinations on it and the FDA wanting to pull it off the
shelves for good, not to mention the fact that our idiotic president was
taking it.  It's not an antidepressant but a sleeping pill, in the
family of benzodiazepines..Valium, Xanax, Ativan, etc.  I took one on a
red-eye from Honolulu to San Francisco once.  It was considered an
excellent sleeping pill because it exited the bloodstream very quickly
after about six hours and didn't leave a hangover.  It is hardly what I
would call a "recreational" drug.  It is excellent for sleeping and
thats about it. I would like to think that P&P named the song after its
other definition.  Now, wasn't that interesting???




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From: "Morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Answers to the riddle of the dead cities
Date: 03 Jul 1997 22:33:56 PDT


Hey,

 I just got the disk recently too.  I have sort of figures it out.
 Here is my theory:
 Track 13 is Through your gills I breath and First death in the family =
is =3D
 the bonus song at the end of trak 13 (starts about 1 minute after throug=
h=3D
 ... ends.)
 I think that In a state of Permanent Abyss is the strange part at the =
end=3D
  of Quagmire.  And Glass is trak ten, since that is what the listing say=
s=3D
 .
 This is just a theory that makes sense.  I think that there is one fault=
 =3D
 to it, but I can not remeber what it was at the moment.
 But otherwise, the cd is amazing.
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From: Robert Uglesich <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Off topic electronica
Date: 04 Jul 1997 07:20:42 -0400 (EDT)


Since all of you are talking about BdG  I just thought that you'd
like to know that his new album is being released on July 7 in
the UK and July 8 in the US.  It's called 'Big Men Cry' and he's
touring Europe (with a 5-piece line-up) from July to August and then
touring the states starting in late august with the "big top tour"

check his web page for more details: http://www.banco.co.uk/

the mammoth web page (i don't have the url but you should be
able to find it) has the details about the US tour.

later,

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Answers to the riddle of the dead cities
Date: 04 Jul 1997 14:55:08 +0200


> I just got the disk recently too.  I have sort of figures it out.
> Here is my theory:
> Track 13 is Through your gills I breath and First death in the family is
=
> the bonus song at the end of trak 13 (starts about 1 minute after
through=
> ... ends.)

Heh pal, you and me again :)
I am completely and utterly sure that the last track on Dead Cities IS
the First Death in the Family. Just listen to it....it sounds like a
funeral
procession is marching.....
Come on people, don't just argue about the stuff, LISTEN TO IT.
LISTEN to VIT and then listen to VIT DROWNING. listen....just listen......
listen to the First Death in the Family.
JUST LISTEN.

ps
I love the Orbs new Asylum single remixes and picked up the
double "bro evil 39" CD  (hehe, some of you will know what
I'm talking about...) for a price of a normal album...really cool.

Daniel
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) fearing the fat of the land
Date: 04 Jul 1997 14:04:42 -0400 (EDT)


Woah.....this is kind of scary.....Ever since "the fat of the land" came out,
all of the music stores around here are hyping up their "techno sections"
(however pathetic they are).  Now I've always been a proponent for getting
this music out to the masses, but this just feels....wrong.  I don't know if
it's the fact that it feels wrong not to have to hunt for a lot of the albums
I'm looking for, or if I just don't want to be associated with the majority
of Americans, but I'm not sure I like the hype as much as I thought I
would.....

--Matt


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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital Live in Toronto
Date: 04 Jul 1997 23:29:17 PDT


Hey!
I just saw Orbital live in Toronto, Canada at Lollapalooza 1997.  A lot
of people left just before Orbital, so we ended up in the front row!  It
was amazing!  That's all I can say... a lot of people didn't get it
though, there was this one guy behind us wearing a Smashing Pumpkins
"Zero" shirt and just sitting there... but I was up dancing, blowing my
whistle, getting other people to dance...  Phil & Paul were really nice
after the show, signing all the autographs that people wanted.  I got my
ticket & my program signed.  And Paul was making a video, and he got a
shot of me!  The whole thing rocked, it was totally amazing!  That's all
I have to say...
Aimee

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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Apollo440
Date: 05 Jul 1997 02:02:35 -0700


Hey folks

Today we got a new in store video reel that featured the video for
Apollo 440's "Aint Talkin Bout Dub"  Im sure most of you have heard this
song used as backround music on the mtv movie awards, motel california,
20/20, etc.  Its not bad really.  In my opinion dont buy the import
single.  All it has the instrumental version plus a bunch of lame
house/hardcore remixes by folks such as Armand van Helden.


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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) The Spawn Live Action Movie Soundtrack
Date: 05 Jul 1997 06:16:55 -0500 (CDT)


Does anyone have a rundown of the artists that are going to be on the
soundtrack? Is the Orbital vs Metallica rumor true?


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From: Peter Lundholm <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(orbital) The Spawn Live Action Movie Soundtrack
Date: 05 Jul 1997 14:01:05 +0200


At 06.16 -0500 97-07-05, Reality wrote:
> Does anyone have a rundown of the artists that are going to be on the
> soundtrack? Is the Orbital vs Metallica rumor true?

Yes - partly... Orbital/Kirk Hammet

Check more on http://www.spawn.com/


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From: Peter Lundholm <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) The Spawn Live Action Movie Soundtrack
Date: 05 Jul 1997 14:05:41 +0200


At 06.16 -0500 97-07-05, Reality wrote:
> Does anyone have a rundown of the artists that are going to be on the
> soundtrack? Is the Orbital vs Metallica rumor true?
>

Sorry 'twas this one...

http://www.music.sony.com/Music/ArtistInfo/Spawn/


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From: [e-mail] (Donna K Evans)
Subject: (orbital) hello people
Date: 05 Jul 1997 22:51:42 -0500


hi, i just joined the list. this may sound kinda weird, but i'm actually
a punk who listens to all punk and ska bands, with one exception:
ORBITAL. thanks to my good friend who attends raves as frequently as i
attend punk shows,  i first heard the song "satan" about a year ago, and
i was like, "wow...this is amazing!" now i'm hooked on orbital. the only
orbital stuff i have is "snivilisation" and "in sides," plus a bonus cd
w/ satan, the saint, and some other songs on it. unfortunately i don't
know much about orbital, so i'm sorry if i'm unable to make very many
informative posts, this whole genre of music is still a little new to me.
i'm like a beginner: not knowing much but willing to learn more.
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From: [e-mail] (Donna K Evans)
Subject: Re: (orbital) fearing the fat of the land
Date: 05 Jul 1997 23:09:39 -0500


>Woah.....this is kind of scary.....Ever since "the fat of the land"
>came out,
>all of the music stores around here are hyping up their "techno
>sections"
>(however pathetic they are).  Now I've always been a proponent for
>getting
>this music out to the masses, but this just feels....wrong.  I don't
>know if
>it's the fact that it feels wrong not to have to hunt for a lot of the
>albums
>I'm looking for, or if I just don't want to be associated with the
>majority
>of Americans, but I'm not sure I like the hype as much as I thought I
>would.....

forgive me if this is from a  "punk" perspective:
i know this feeling you're having. many "punks" often get this feeling
about bands that suddenly become popular, and they wrongly label it as
"selling out." i won't delve into that though, that's a whole other
discussion...
this is my feelings on what you're saying:
when you like a certain band/group that only a select few know about, it
almost makes you feel special in a way. you think it would be great if
others knew about "your little group," but keeping the fan base small
still makes you feel like you are an integral part of this important and
special thing.
then suddenly, mtv picks up this thing, gives it some heavy rotation, and
there is a totally new, and HUGE fan base. while you are happy that the
group you like is getting recognized, you feel almost betrayed because
this small important thing you were once part of is suddenly not so
small, and it doesn't feel so special anymore.
don't despair though, as mtv always does, it will soon find its "next big
thing" and electronica will become a thing of the past, not only for
them, but for all the "trendoids" who follow them.
and you know what will be left? all the true fans (people like you and
me) will still be playing our favorite band's music on our stereos and
supporting them in whatever way we can. and we will feel special once
again.
please forgive the length.
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From: "Morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Prodigy in the paper
Date: 05 Jul 1997 23:42:59 PDT


Hey,

NON-Orbital

In Friday's paper, there was a big article on The Prodigy.  The paper sai=
d all kinds of stupid shit, like The Prodigy are the inovators of the ele=
ctronica scene.  Keith made a comment about how they do not want to be =
labeled into a genre and that they want to be individuals, and that they =
don't care whether or not people label them or not.  I thought that this =
was pretty cool and it sounded like the real prodigy for once, but Correc=
t me if I'm wrong, didn't the Prodigy just call there kind of music rage =
techno or something like that?  So If they don't want to be labeled, then=
 why did they label themselves.  On another note, they also made a commen=
t about how electronica is taking the world by storm and how Orbital, Und=
erworld, The Orb, and Aphex Twin are frontlining the battle.  I thought =
that was very cool though.
Thanx for listening to some more of my Prodigy bitching, I promise this =
will be my last.
Cya.
Morpheus

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Subject: (orbital) By Golly
Date: 06 Jul 1997 03:32:36 -0400 (EDT)


Alright there orbital fans, you might recognize the name from the old school
orbital group.  If not let me refresh your noggins!   "orbital follows the
same kind of rules as the drug scene, you first try out a cd from Orbital,
and next thing you know you are totally hooked and are awaiting any kind of
release from them"  and "it will lead you to total addiction"  I mean hey, I
am totally wrapped up in the orbital scene.... makes me totally bonked to
know that it takes forever to get some more tracks out of the brothers...
being as it is, it would be totally stylin to have them unloading specials
and household mixes they have sitting around.... got to keep the vibe
alive...

THERE IS ONE THING THAT I NEED FROM THE ORBITAL FANS OUT THERE~  my personal
fave has to be "Are we here" off of Sniv... now here is my dilema... I don't
have the single to that song... I have turned to world over looking for it...
new, used, whatever... I need to get my sweating hands on that damn disc.  I
have been across the US to only find that half the damn country doesn't even
know what good music is.  SO can anyone help me?  got an extra copy laying
around?  something they need and want to trade?  I am open for ideas... so if
you got it... and don't want it... and want to get to swapping or
something.... please by all means throw something my way.

thanks all,
I have to say, without orbital and the churning tunes... i don't see how the
world can keep spining

-a la Rich


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From: Sean Granger <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital)
Date: 06 Jul 1997 03:30:20 -0500 (CDT)


why did the brothers sample their own song on In Sides?
and who's smart enough to figure out which one?

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Subject: Re: (orbital) Prodigy in the paper
Date: 06 Jul 1997 01:38:59 -0700


>didn't the Prodigy just call there kind of music rage techno or something like that?

When Prodigy was 120 minutes, Matt Pinfeld ( hypocritical bastard)
called them a techno band and they responded by saying that they were a
hard dance band.  whatever that is.


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From: Gabor Reinders <[e-mail]>
Date: 06 Jul 1997 15:31:09 +0000


>why did the brothers sample their own song on In Sides?
>and who's smart enough to figure out which one?

Isn't a part of Lush3-1 on Orbital 2 sampled in the first part of Out there
somewhere? If so, i really don't know why they did it.



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From:    David Russell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) By Golly
Date: 06 Jul 1997 09:56:14 -0400


Hi Richard, I thought if any other U.S Are we hear hunters may like to
hear this
so I put it up on the list also..

> THERE IS ONE THING THAT I NEED FROM THE ORBITAL FANS OUT THERE~  my personal
> fave has to be "Are we here" off of Sniv... now here is my dilema... I don't
> have the single to that song... I have turned to world over looking for it...
> new, used, whatever... I need to get my sweating hands on that damn disc.  I
> have been across the US to only find that half the damn country doesn't even
> know what good music is.  SO can anyone help me?  got an extra copy laying
> around?  something they need and want to trade?  I am open for ideas... so if
> you got it... and don't want it... and want to get to swapping or
> something.... please by all means throw something my way.

"Are we here" is excellent, and there are some great remix songs on the
single.
I got my copy from a music store in Fredericksburg, VA - and although it
was
a special, this particular store (the blue dog) have the option for you
to
specially order ANY CD, whether its in print/banned, whatever ! Its on
Caroline street, but if you live elsewhere in America, try local music
stores
such as this, and see if they order it. Unfortunatley I don't have the
CD
at the moment, and will be a while before I can get it back again -
which
is a shame it is a brilliant title, and my dog ate my CD of sniv...

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From: Brian Lorraine <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) hello people
Date: 06 Jul 1997 11:12:42 -0500


Donna K Evans wrote:
>
> hi, i just joined the list. this may sound kinda weird, but i'm actually
> a punk who listens to all punk and ska bands, with one exception:
> ORBITAL. thanks to my good friend who attends raves as frequently as i
> attend punk shows,  i first heard the song "satan" about a year ago, and
> i was like, "wow...this is amazing!" now i'm hooked on orbital. the only
> orbital stuff i have is "snivilisation" and "in sides," plus a bonus cd
> w/ satan, the saint, and some other songs on it. unfortunately i don't
> know much about orbital, so i'm sorry if i'm unable to make very many
> informative posts, this whole genre of music is still a little new to me.
> i'm like a beginner: not knowing much but willing to learn more.
> --sarah--


hehe not suprising. At lollapalooza the people there seemed to mainly be
into punk/heavy metal from what I saw during the day. However EVERYONE
there was really getting into it when orbital came onto stage. hehe Most
ppl that i introduce to orbital ask what genre they are and i say
"kinda' techno-like.. but deeper". ANd they're like "ACK!! TECHNO? HELL
NO!". Then i play something for em like halcyon &on&on or the box and
they fall in love with it. seems to be bringing everyone together.

lotta' ppl i talk to seem to love the album ORBITAL II the best. It's a
bit different from IN sides and Snivilization but u shudn't regret it.

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From: Brian Lorraine <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Prodigy in the paper
Date: 06 Jul 1997 11:16:39 -0500


> Thanx for listening to some more of my Prodigy bitching, I promise >this will be my last.

lotta ppl do bitch about prodigy not being really techno and are pissed
at them for "selling out". However to me that seem more like a gateway
band. True they're not really that much techno anymore, but if ppl think
they are they're gonna like it and start experimenting. When i first got
into techno i got into these mainstream bands that ppl were pissed at
for doing so, but then in my exploring to find more bands, i came across
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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) hello people
Date: 06 Jul 1997 08:23:35 PDT


>hehe not suprising. At lollapalooza the people there seemed to mainly
be
>into punk/heavy metal from what I saw during the day. However EVERYONE
>there was really getting into it when orbital came onto stage. hehe
Most
>ppl that i introduce to orbital ask what genre they are and i say
>"kinda' techno-like.. but deeper". ANd they're like "ACK!! TECHNO? HELL
>NO!". Then i play something for em like halcyon &on&on or the box and
>they fall in love with it. seems to be bringing everyone together.

Hmm... different reaction here in Canada... some people got it, I could
spot a few ravers at our Lollapalooza, a few people were into it, but
the majority (and that's a vast majority) didn't get it at all.  But we
got a few more people into it by getting up on our seats to dance... but
still, some people didn't get it at all... a lot of people still have
prejudice against techno... it's sad, really... but it is possible to
like different kinds of music... it's not strange to hear me listen to
Orbital then put on the Smashing Pumpkins... then I'm back listening to
some jungle... For one thing, it's really hard to find anything, and I
mean anything in Canada... *poke* anybody willing to tape stuff and send
it to me??
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From:    Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) hello people
Date: 06 Jul 1997 14:38:29 -0300 (ADT)


yOn Sun, 6 Jul 1997, Brian Lorraine wrote:

> lotta' ppl i talk to seem to love the album ORBITAL II the best. It's a
> bit different from IN sides and Snivilization but u shudn't regret it.

That's my personal fav....  I love the long 4-track set that runs
together...  Impact is by far the best..




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From:    Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) hello people
Date: 06 Jul 1997 14:40:24 -0300 (ADT)


On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, Aimee Couture wrote:

> some jungle... For one thing, it's really hard to find anything, and I
> mean anything in Canada... *poke* anybody willing to tape stuff and send

Too true....  HMV recently opened here, and I am finally able to get some
Autechre, and The Box Single!  Highly reccommended!



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From: [e-mail] (Laurie Beasley)
Subject: Re: (orbital) #Orbital
Date: 05 Jul 1997 20:08:10 -0400 (EDT)


Hi!  I go to the #orbital EFNet IRC channel.. I'm there almost every day
(yah, I should get off my butt and go do something). We get a lot of people
coming to the channel. I'm usually under the nick pezgrrrl. There is a page
up with profiles of all the regulars on the channel at
http://www.oversoul.com/hellkite/orbital.html
if you want to check it out.  Come by the channel sometime and chat with us. :)
-Laurie


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:Orbital vs Matallica
Date: 06 Jul 1997 20:26:20 BST



>Does anyone have a rundown of the artists that are going to be on the
>soundtrack? Is the Orbital vs Metallica rumor true?

For those on the LOOPZ list...this was confirmed last week. For those who
aint then get your butt down to the LOOPZ website and follow links to the
ORBITAL NEWS section.

Ive heard this! and its heavy metal vs SATAN!

Http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa

Go there

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From: "Mick George" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) DeskTop Themes
Date: 06 Jul 1997 19:28:32 -0700


http://www.bad-attitude.com/slip/themes/slip-theme.html

There are a load of themes here for windows 95, Orbital, Prodigy Daft Punk
and many
more, go take a look.

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From: "John K. Coffey II" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) fearing the fat of the land
Date: 06 Jul 1997 20:00:04 -0600


You know I couldnt agree more.  I went to denver this weekend, a step up
from the local casper wyoming selection in music, and noticed listening
stations in every store I went to for prodigy, chemical brothers: dig your
own hole, and the mtv music compilation: amp.  I agree that techno is
rising in america do to these bands and several others plus mtv playing amp
3 times a week, even though I am not sure how long amp has been on mtv.
I was also able to pick up 9 great cd's in denver, including in sides
w/both cds, for under $100...Can any one tell me what songs are on the in
sides cd because the one I got is a radio station promo and I dont think
the 2nd cd has all the songs as the on in stores now!!
John K. Coffey II
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>
>Woah.....this is kind of scary.....Ever since "the fat of the land" came
out,
>all of the music stores around here are hyping up their "techno sections"
>(however pathetic they are).  Now I've always been a proponent for
getting
>this music out to the masses, but this just feels....wrong.  I don't know
if
>it's the fact that it feels wrong not to have to hunt for a lot of the
albums
>I'm looking for, or if I just don't want to be associated with the
majority
>of Americans, but I'm not sure I like the hype as much as I thought I
>would.....
>
>--Matt





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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Animated Orbital Icons?
Date: 06 Jul 1997 20:09:01 -0700


Speaking of Orbital Desktop Themes:

Has anyone out there made an animated Orbital icon (to replace the hourglass)?
 I was thinking that the Orbital logo 'in action' would be perfect!  You know,
just like how it is animated at the beginning of the first Saint video?


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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) fearing the fat of the land
Date: 06 Jul 1997 23:44:18 -0500 (CDT)



Amp is on 3 times a week now? What time is the 3rd episode on? I know it's
on Friday and Saturday nights...


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From: "John K. Coffey II" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) fearing the fat of the land
Date: 06 Jul 1997 22:55:07 -0600


I guess...I went to mtv page and saw it it is on at like 9 and 1 mst and
like 7 and 12 est and then on sat at 12 mst
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>Amp is on 3 times a week now? What time is the 3rd episode on? I know
it's
>on Friday and Saturday nights...
>
>
> Reality
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>
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Subject: (orbital) Dave Angel
Date: 07 Jul 1997 10:54:15 GMT



Well, everyone else seems to be off topic at the moment, so I thought
I'd be a super cool geezer as well and join in ;)

hehe:) right, OK...

1) who likes Dave Angel?
2) anyone got any Dave Angel DJ sets they're willing to copy me?
3) can anyone supply me with a complete discography?

Anyone get back to me on any of those points, private emails are
preferable.

cheeeers

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Animated Orbital Icons?
Date: 07 Jul 1997 10:05:19 +0200




> Speaking of Orbital Desktop Themes:
>
> Has anyone out there made an animated Orbital icon (to replace the
hourglass)?
>  I was thinking that the Orbital logo 'in action' would be perfect!  You
know,
> just like how it is animated at the beginning of the first Saint video?

HMM. Good idea. I have that video in MOV (QuickTime) format on my hard
drive, downloaded from the MTV site, and if I had the time and tools I'd
try
to do something with it.
Well, if anyone else is interested... all you have to have is an animated
icon
editor and adobe premiere to edit the movie, to get the frames out.
OR, you could do it a very primitive way, if you don't have premiere, you
could
slide the movie from frame to frame and capture the stills.

Also, it would be pretty cool to have the animated saint logo which appears
on
the video right after the animated Orbital logo...


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From: ed naylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Monday Shopping Mania
Date: 07 Jul 1997 16:11:36 -0400 (EDT)


Oh dear - I've come over all faint, check this out for a
good half-hours work:-

Massive Attack - new 12 incher (supposedly limited, but my copy is
# 56363 so go figure)
Howie B - ditto
Portishead - new and genuinely very limited 12 inch - yes!!! last
copy in HMV and probably the world
Dubstar - two new CD singles
Embrace - new CD single (yes it's indiepop, but it reminds me of
early Ride so that's OK)
BT - new 12 inch (BIG BIG tune, pure Gorgonzola, but a fave of the
Warrenmeister @ Cream - see below)
CJ Bolland - Live at Universe (only 99p - thanks to all for the
advice)
Nick Warren - Live in Prague (double CD only 11.99 UKP on
special offer - hurrah)

It was such a good raid in fact, that I completely forgot the new
Oasis single.  In fact only the unexplained absence of the new
Mulu tune was a let-down.

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From: sasha <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Dave Angel
Date: 07 Jul 1997 18:06:35 +0200 (MET DST)



> who likes Dave Angel?

  I want "d.o.b." playing at my funeral!!!!

> Anyone get back to me on any of those points, private emails are
> preferable.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Re: fearing the fat of the land
Date: 07 Jul 1997 17:58:33 -0400 (EDT)


Well....to take this message away from all the hype about techno in the
States, I did finally hear Fat of the Land....  IMHO, it seems terribly
average for the Prod.  I kept waiting for a song to totally blow me away like
Voodoo People and Music Reach did on the previous albums, but it never
happened.  I'd like to be able to say I loved the album...but I didn't.   In
a way, I'd also like to be able to say I hated it, and that everyone who said
they "sold out" was right.  But that's not really true either....there's not
a single BAD song on there.  Maybe I just haven't listened to it enough, but
right now it seems to me that Liam somehow settled for less than normal on
this album.  On the plus side, Breathe, Serial Thriller, and Climbatize all
seem closer to normal form.

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From: Didger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) fearing the fat of the land
Date: 07 Jul 1997 19:07:37 -0700 (PDT)


> rising in america do to these bands and several others plus mtv playing amp
> 3 times a week, even though I am not sure how long amp has been on mtv.

Whoah!! what was that you said?  AMP is being played 3 times a week now?
Where have I been?  (Don't answer that)  What times does the show play?

gj
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From: [e-mail] (Donna K Evans)
Subject: (orbital) Re: orbital Digest V2 #284
Date: 07 Jul 1997 20:19:50 -0500


>oh man.. had my first LIVE orbital experience at lollapalooza at the
>nissan pavilion near washington dc... wooo man.. that was sumpin.
hey, you're lucky. lollapalooza is coming to my state, but not to a city
near me. even if it was, i couldn't see orbital because i don't think
they are playing on the texas dates! =(
i really would like to see them.

i have a question: i have some kinda of bonus orbital cd, and it has
"halcyon (live)" on it.  several of you have told me about a song called
"halcyon &on&on" and i was wondering if this was the same song.

also, thanks to all of you that responded to my posts, you gave me lots
of good advice. who knows, by the end of summer i might become a resident
orbital expert! =)
thanks for making me feel welcome, too. you all are so nice, i feel like
i'm now part of one huge family. thanks!
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From: Sean Strout <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) peace or annihilation?
Date: 07 Jul 1997 13:28:23 PDT


the chemical generation collides with lollapalooza.  come with me on this
psychotropic vision:

saturday july 5th - darien lake, ny

The ticket stub for Lollapalooza read "don't be left behind", but it would be
more apropos to take a page from Roger Daltrey and dub it "teenage wasteland".
Everything at Lollapalooza '97 was a living hell - a testament to everything
that is wrong with the escapist American youth movement and the capatalist
machine that hungrily exploits them.  Distraught kids with painful grimaces
puked in indiscriminant locations as they wandered aimlessly through this land
of lost souls.  The field was littered with cups and trash, spread out in
geometrical patterns around the bodies that occupied the space.  The music was
glowingfully horrendous - these orchestraters of pain brandished their weapons
and unleashed an incessant, excruciating torture.  Was there anyone who could
save this place?

As night fell I returned to the dismal scene.  Throngs of hedonists were in
mass exodus, visibily drained, financially tapped and worn out by the fiasco.
A blue flyer caught my eye as it streamed across the midway.  Stooping over to
pick it up, I realized it proclaimed the single reason I was at this place for
- Orbital.

It was biblically ironic, indeed, to see the angels dancing on the stage and
blowing their trumpets.  The scene looked straight out of Revelations - the
scorched earth was still smoldering after Tool departed.  On the stage, however,
these tin foil angels in outlandish garb continued their erotic dance to an odd
electronic sound- a freakish re-intepretation of Rocky Horror's "Time Warp" that
pulsed upward.  It put a smile on many faces.

Curious onlookers, perhaps unaware of such things as acid house, Ibiza, Shoom,
techno travellers, CJA and the whole bit, were naturally frightened.  Those who
braved it out were naturally rewarded with a riveting Orbital show that was
nothing short of spectacular.

Night descended on the settlement and the scene was transformed.  Two aliens
emerged from the smoke, with beady white lights of eyes peering out to the
crowd.  What followed was an intense shamanic dancing ritual that was fueled by
a barrage of Orbital classics.  We chose peace over annihilation.  We again
celebrated the wonderful life of Sally Harding in a beautiful song that has
captured her essence for eternity.  We cried out for survival and were saved on
Impact, only to be forced into manic convulsions by the swirling frenzy of
Satan, a bombastic tune that rocked the socks off even the most diehard Korn
fanatic.  The soothing harmonies of Halcyon's opal vocals again gave way
to pop anthems, only to meld together again brilliantly.  And everywhere people
were dancing to the infectious rhythyms with wide smiles and glowing auras
amidst a psychedelic jungle of hallucinatory videography.

It was over all too soon for anyone to be prepared.  The buzz of energy that
Orbital had conjured warmed our hearts and lightened our steps as we exited this
war torn landscape.  The difference between day and night - hell and heaven was
so dramatic that I am still awed by what took place.  It's liking falling in
love all over again with songs and a mood that has been an integral part of your
life and system of beliefs.  Orbital proved that despite the apparent mismatch
of bands, their music still remains universal.

As Paul (or was it Phil?) put it most aptly at the end of the unbelievable set,
"Brilliant! Good night!!".

peace!

Sean



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Subject: (orbital) Orbital First Time
Date: 07 Jul 1997 23:27:01 -0500 (CDT)


On 07/07/97 20:19:50 you wrote:
>
>
>>oh man.. had my first LIVE orbital experience at lollapalooza at the
>>nissan pavilion near washington dc... wooo man.. that was sumpin.
>hey, you're lucky. lollapalooza is coming to my state, but not to a city
>near me. even if it was, i couldn't see orbital because i don't think
>they are playing on the texas dates! =(
>i really would like to see them.


My first Orbital live experience was about four and a half years ago when hte y toured the states with
Meat Beat Manifesto. I caught them on the first date of the tour at the Limelite and due to some screwup,
Meat Beat were unaable to get their passports. Orbital made up for it by playing a double length set. I
kinda had an unfare bias going against them because I was so ticked that Meat Beat weren't playing :(.
The music was amazing......of course. But their stage presence left alot to be desired ......at one point
they were both outside of the A-frame  gear pit they play inside of.....smoking cigarettes.....they've
defiantely progressed  :).  Since then, I've seen them 4 more times :) and they just keep getting better.
The absolute best time I saw them  though was last summer when the played the  Axis in Boston.


>i have a question: i have some kinda of bonus orbital cd, and it has
>"halcyon (live)" on it.  several of you have told me about a song called
>"halcyon &on&on" and i was wondering if this was the same song.

Same song ....just a different version



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From: "John K. Coffey II" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) peace or annihilation?
Date: 07 Jul 1997 23:56:11 -0600


all i have to say about this letter would be what did you expect and
beautifully put
John K. Coffey II
[e-mail]
www.coffey.com/~john
>
>the chemical generation collides with lollapalooza.  come with me on this
>psychotropic vision:
>
>saturday july 5th - darien lake, ny
>
>The ticket stub for Lollapalooza read "don't be left behind", but it would
be
>more apropos to take a page from Roger Daltrey and dub it "teenage
wasteland".
>Everything at Lollapalooza '97 was a living hell - a testament to
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Subject: Re: (orbital) fearing the fat of the land
Date: 07 Jul 1997 23:50:55 -0700


Didger wrote:
>
> > rising in america do to these bands and several others plus mtv playing amp
> > 3 times a week, even though I am not sure how long amp has been on mtv.
>
> Whoah!! what was that you said?  AMP is being played 3 times a week now?
> Where have I been?  (Don't answer that)  What times does the show play?


AMP doesnt come on three days a week now.  It only did that for a few
weeks to drum up viewers for the show.  At that time it came on Friday
night, once at 9pm PST the other at 2am PST which is actually saturday
morning, and once again on saturday night/sunday morning at 1amPST.
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From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) fearing the fat of the land
Date: 08 Jul 1997 00:30:57 -0700


At 1907 -0700 7.7.97, Didger wrote:
>> rising in america do to these bands and several others plus mtv playing amp
>> 3 times a week, even though I am not sure how long amp has been on mtv.
>
>Whoah!! what was that you said?  AMP is being played 3 times a week now?
>Where have I been?  (Don't answer that)  What times does the show play?

AMP *used* to be on thrice weekly - Friday at 9PM with reruns at Saturday
1AM and the following Friday at 2AM.  The 9PM showing seems to have
disappeared (again), so they're back to Saturday at 1AM with a repeat the
following Friday at 2AM (ok, technically Friday 2AM is really SATURDAY
morning, and Saturday 1AM is really SUNDAY morning - also these times are
for Pacific/Eastern and may need to be adjusted for your time zone -
confused?  Good.)

You can check the AMP page at MTV's web site (if you don't want to do all
that navigation the frame in question is at <http://www.mtv.com/music/amp/>
where they seem to finally have the correct time information (2x a week)
albeit an outdated video listing for a show they aired three weeks ago...
;-)

Actually, since AMP appears to be in reruns, you may yet get another chance
to see "The Robots" by Kraftwerk this month...oops, wrong list...

Thanks,
CRZ

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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: orbital Digest V2 #284
Date: 08 Jul 1997  9:52:12


>>i have a question: i have some kinda of bonus orbital cd, and it has
"halcyon (live)" on it.  several of you have told me about a song called
"halcyon &on&on" and i was wondering if this was the same song.<<

yes, the same song, played live. The studio version is on the Brown Album,
which I think people on the list call Orbital2. It doesn't have Belinda
Carlisle or Bon Jovi (I keep almost writing Bob Jovi) on it, but is still the
most amazing thing they have ever recorded. I reckon

>>also, thanks to all of you that responded to my posts, you gave me lots
of good advice. who knows, by the end of summer i might become a resident
orbital expert! =)
thanks for making me feel welcome, too. you all are so nice, i feel like
i'm now part of one huge family. thanks!
--sarah--<<

maximum respect to the entire Orbital posse.

ian


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From: "R.L. Fitch" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Hey there, people!
Date: 08 Jul 1997 03:57:32 -0700


I just got on this mailing list, and have already received about 50
messages in two days (!)  I got turned on to Orbital by an employee at
Tower Records in Seattle.  He reccomended ORBITAL 2, which happened to
be playing over the store's sound system at the time.  I really liked
it.

Some time later, my friends told me about a huge concert happening that
included acts such as Stabbing Westward (we mutually like that band) and
Silverchair (well, my friends like that band) and would I like them to
pick up tickets for me too, I said sure.

It wasn't 'til later that I found out that Orbital was headlining the
show.  Rather unlikely, since the other acts included the Presidents,
Fun Lovin Criminals, Luscious Jackson, and other "alternative" acts that
I don't particularly care for.  As it turned out, the intended headliner
had to cancel, so the promoters got Orbital.  I really feel sorry for
the folks who didn't stick around to the end (there were about ten
bands, and the poor kids must've gotten tired, or had no idea who
Orbital was).

Anyway, Iv'e been even more of a fan ever since, but unfortunately, I've
only been able to pick up one more of their albums, which is the latest
one, complete with the bonus CD.

Actually, to get to the point of this email in a round about way, I must
tangent once again.  I just made a homepage,
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/2754 , and in all the online
editing and attempting to learn HTML, while first trying EZ-type webpage
builders that can't be re-edited using true HTML, I COMPLETELY destroyed
by bookmark file (including Orbital's URL)!!!!

The point I was about to make was to put out a request for Orbital's
homepage address, but then I'd probably get flooded with all kinds of
email.  Oh well, go ahead and answer, but if you see this message on or
after 7/10/97 PLEASE don't respond.

I invite you all to come see my homepage, and as it states, it's brand
new and will be continually updated, along with downloadable audio files
of samples of my industrial/techno compositions.

Thanks,

Rob


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From: [e-mail] (David M Velasco)
Subject: Re: (orbital) WPB: Orbital
Date: 01 Jul 1997 21:16:08 -0700


>5-10% of the ppl in america have heard of orbital and most of those ppl
only
>know them because they had a track on the SAINT soundtrack. as far as
the
>rave thing goes in the u.s. i wouldn't know too much cuz i'm only 17.
I'm
>sure it's no where near as strong as it is in europe. PPl here in the
u.s.
>are too closed-mided and hae too short an attention span to get into
>techno or other electronic music styles

Those are some pretty broad generalizations.  The rave scene isn't very
large in the U.S., but it's certainly growing.  Right now it's mainly
contained to a minority, but that's how it all began in Britain.  I
wouldn't say people in the U.S. are any more closed-minded than people of
other countries, it's just that we're a lot bigger so things take a lot
longer to spread.  Here in Portland the dance scene is rising smoothly,
with more real techno clubs opening up and parties every weekend.
Orbital isn't too well known among the people I know, but when my friends
do hear them (or FSOL, Goldie, etc.), they tend to like them.  There's
plenty of cool stuff going down in the U.S., you just have to search a
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From: [e-mail] (David M Velasco)
Subject: Re: (orbital) The Fat of the Land
Date: 01 Jul 1997 21:36:14 -0700


>8. (name unknown):  This track was pretty good.  Sounds like the stuff
>off of Jilted.  Is mostly a beat with a few starnge sounds here and
>there Nothing much more in this song not too bad though.  6/10

This song isn't on the U.S. version of the album.

>not suit you.  I am a prodigy fan, but I think that this is by far,
their
>worst album.

I agree wholeheartedly.  I suppose all good groups have to go through a
slumpish phase, but that doesn't mean the end of their careers.  The only
thing I'm worried about, however, is that Prodigy only puts out an album
about once every three years, which means unless they pull off a real
kick ass album within the next couple years, Fat of the Land may end up
being a real sinker.  To me the entire album sounds almost the same...
depressing sounds, overdone beats, and Kieth rambling on annoyingly about
being psychotic or something (at least the first time through).  Maybe
given time it will grow on me, but for now I'll count this as Liam going
through some sort of depression.


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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) American Rave Scene
Date: 08 Jul 1997 12:16:37


>>[comments about how americans have short attentions spans and closed minds]<<

>>Those are some pretty broad generalizations.  The rave scene isn't very
large in the U.S., but it's certainly growing.  Right now it's mainly
contained to a minority, but that's how it all began in Britain.  I
wouldn't say people in the U.S. are any more closed-minded than people of
other countries, it's just that we're a lot bigger so things take a lot
longer to spread.  Here in Portland the dance scene is rising smoothly,
with more real techno clubs opening up and parties every weekend.
Orbital isn't too well known among the people I know, but when my friends
do hear them (or FSOL, Goldie, etc.), they tend to like them.  There's
plenty of cool stuff going down in the U.S., you just have to search a
little harder to find it.<<

you do get the impression sometimes that the sheer vastness and spread
outedness of the USA makes it very different to have the same kind of rave
explosion that you got in Britain in the late 1980s. Pretty much like with
punk, you get a kind of gradual bottom-up development rather than a Year Zero
HERE IT IS kind of thing.

some friends of mine have gone over and lived in San Francisco the last while,
and they say that the overground rave scene is completely useless --
unbelievably lame west coasters rolling with what they think the latest trend
is. Allegedly, they say, there is a really good underground rave scene bobbing
around somewhere in the Bay Area, but they don't have the time or the contacts
with which to root it out.

I kind of think this is a problem with when you try to keep your scene
underground -- it becomes a cover for a kind of snobbish elitism.

Maybe.

incidentally, has anyone read "Altered States" by Matthew Collin, a kind of
cultural history of the UK rave scene?

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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) hello people
Date: 08 Jul 1997 12:52:14


>>Hmm... different reaction here in Canada... some people got it, I could
spot a few ravers at our Lollapalooza, a few people were into it, but
the majority (and that's a vast majority) didn't get it at all.  But we
got a few more people into it by getting up on our seats to dance... but
still, some people didn't get it at all... a lot of people still have
prejudice against techno... it's sad, really... but it is possible to
like different kinds of music... it's not strange to hear me listen to
Orbital then put on the Smashing Pumpkins... then I'm back listening to
some jungle... For one thing, it's really hard to find anything, and I
mean anything in Canada... *poke* anybody willing to tape stuff and send
it to me??<<

I saw Orbital first live May '96. As a result of a bizarre series of events a
Canadian cousin I hadn't seen in years was there too. I was curious as to what
he would think of the whole thing... and he loved it. One funny/depressing
comment from him: "We'd never get anything like this in Vancouver. Or if we
did, it would end in a huge fight."

Look, while we're on the subject of Canada, what's an acceptable collective
word for people from Canada and the USA? Is North Americans alright? (I am,
incidentally, from the Republic of Ireland. There is no collective term for
Britain and Ireland that Irish people don't find offensive)

ian


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From: Rui Inacio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) MID/MOD files
Date: 08 Jul 1997 16:53:09 -0700


Hi! Does anyone have MID/MOD files from Orbital or others bands in the
same "league"?
Cheers,
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From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) fearing the fat of the land
Date: 07 Jul 1997 23:50:02 -0700


At 1907 -0700 7.7.97, Didger wrote:
>> rising in america do to these bands and several others plus mtv playing amp
>> 3 times a week, even though I am not sure how long amp has been on mtv.
>
>Whoah!! what was that you said?  AMP is being played 3 times a week now?
>Where have I been?  (Don't answer that)  What times does the show play?

AMP *used* to be on thrice weekly - Friday at 9PM with reruns at Saturday
1AM and the following Friday at 2AM.  The 9PM showing seems to have
disappeared (again), so they're back to Saturday at 1AM with a repeat the
following Friday at 2AM (ok, technically Friday 2AM is really SATURDAY
morning, and Saturday 1AM is really SUNDAY morning - also these times are
for Pacific/Eastern and may need to be adjusted for your time zone -
confused?  Good.)

You can check the AMP page at MTV's web site (if you don't want to do all
that navigation the frame in question is at <http://www.mtv.com/music/amp/>
where they seem to finally have the correct time information (2x a week)
albeit an outdated video listing for a show they aired three weeks ago...
;-)

Actually, since AMP appears to be in reruns, you may yet get another chance
to see "The Robots" by Kraftwerk this month...oops, wrong list...

Thanks,
CRZ

>gj
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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) The Fat of the Land
Date: 08 Jul 1997 05:33:23 PDT


i thought fat of the land was pretty cool. True, the variety of songs is
probably a bit to wide for anyone to like everything on it, but the
wider the variety of music... the more appreciation (i guess) you have
for other genres. Minefields, Narayan, and Climbitize were so awesome I
thought. The rest of the stuff (although some i didn't really like) was
fun to listen to just to hear the evolution of the prodigy's music.
Before it seemed like it was just liam doing everything, but now u can
sort of hear the influence from the other members of the band. Now when
I look at the inside of the album, instead of seeing stuff like (all
tracks produced by liam howlett <sp?>), you see keith and maxim's
contributions. Still, liam is such a musical genius, it would be nice to
see him still sticking with the good ol' dance music like in
Experience... wunder what the new album would song like today if he
stuck with that genre >:/

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From: "R.L. Fitch" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Hey there, people!
Date: 08 Jul 1997 09:50:56 -0700


Hello again!

Thanks to Aimee, who gave me the address of Orbital's homepage.  I no
longer need the address, please don't respond to my previous email.
Thanks again, everybody, and don't forget to check out my homepage,
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/2754 !

By the way, to append my previous posting, I was introduced to Orbital
two years ago, and I saw them live in Dec. 96.

...And those of you that are saying that their appearance on the Saints
soundtrack is what is getting them exposure in the US, don't forget that
they were on the Mortal Kombat soundtrack, too...

-Rob-


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From: [e-mail] (Ben Reed)
Subject: Re: (orbital) MID/MOD files
Date: 08 Jul 1997 18:32:09 GMT


On Tue, 08 Jul 1997 16:53:09 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi! Does anyone have MID/MOD files from Orbital or others bands in the
>same "league"?
>Cheers,
>Rui Inacio

I've written a number of Orbital .IT modules, you can get them at
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From: daFinn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(orbital) Orbital on usenet????
Date: 08 Jul 1997 20:38:27 +0200


First - Does anybody on the list know where I could get Hi Tech/Low Crime
(The YMO remixes? Me needs it!

Second:

At 15.59 -0700 97-06-18, starfire wrote:
> This is my first post to this mailing list....
>
>Personally I think that an Orbital Newsgroup would be excellent.
>First of all it would allow those interested in finding
>out just a little about the band >do so quickly and easily.

Isn't the web better for that?

>Second it broadens the reach of Orbital, more people will be able to read,
>post and get involved with a when-ever-they-want newsgroup, rather than using
>the mailing list, which is more of a commitment. An orbital newsgroup would
>also be good for popularity reasons, it's nice to get the band's name out
>there in the open for everyone to see. Finally, it would be in a more user
>friendly environment, the mailing list is hidden away and more confusing
>the >join.
>

Well... I would vote for the use of a mailing list anytime.

Some reasons...

Better S/N ratio.
More community-like feeling.
Less accessible to spammers. "$$$$ MAKE MONEY FAST $$$$$"- say no more.


The only time I use usenet is when I try to get hold of some warez ;-) but
it sucks on that area too.

> Next there is the spammer problem, but filters and kill files are easy to
> apply to spammers so you don't even have to see their trash. I am 'for' an
> Orbital newsgroup!

OTOH - a newsgroup wouldn't make this list go away - so why not ;-)




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From: [e-mail] (Ben Reed)
Subject: Re: (orbital) MID/MOD files
Date: 08 Jul 1997 19:07:35 GMT


On Tue, 8 Jul 1997 19:54:42 +0100, you wrote:

>I cannot seem to download these files, it says that the requested URL =
was
>not found on this server!!!!!!
>
>Do you think you could send me all of the files by E-MAIL.
>
>I would be very grateful if you could do this for me.

Oops... it's fixed now  :)


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From: "Brian A. Crawford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Canada
Date: 08 Jul 1997 17:00:28 -0400 (EDT)



On 8 Jul 1997, Ian Moore wrote:

> For one thing, it's really hard to find anything, and I
> mean anything in Canada... *poke* anybody willing to tape stuff and send
> it to me??

    I don't know if I agree with the generalization that it's hard to
find anything in Canada (not flaming though).  I was born in Montreal and
moved to Toronto as a kid, and I can assure you there's a wealth of music
to be found in both those places if you know where to look.  I remember
listening to the classics of house as a kid back in '83 - '85, and during
the techno rave in the early '90's Chris Sheppard and others helped to
introduce Toronto to techno.  I don't live up there anymore - perhaps
things have changed.  But Canada is often referred to as having more of a
European flair than an American one, and I think our tastes in music often
reflect this call.

> Look, while we're on the subject of Canada, what's an acceptable collective
> word for people from Canada and the USA? Is North Americans alright?

    Sure... or, 'non-Eurafricantarcticaustrasiasouthamericans' works.
'Course, both those terms also include Mexico.

    Bri

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From:    Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) hello people
Date: 08 Jul 1997 13:15:27 -0300 (ADT)


On 8 Jul 1997, Ian Moore wrote:

> Look, while we're on the subject of Canada, what's an acceptable collective
> word for people from Canada and the USA? Is North Americans alright? (I am,
> incidentally, from the Republic of Ireland. There is no collective term for
> Britain and Ireland that Irish people don't find offensive)

Don't think there is, or should be one.  Apples and oranges...


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From: Sean Strout <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) American Rave Scene
Date: 08 Jul 1997 07:03:11 PDT


> incidentally, has anyone read "Altered States" by Matthew Collin, a kind of
> cultural history of the UK rave scene?

Yes indeed, it is an *excellent* book chronicling the era of acid house
music.  Can't recommend it enough for anyone that wants to get their
facts straight.  Want to know historically why house has sub-genred into
jungle, drum n bass, hardcore, etc.?  Want to know how the rave culture began
in Britain and who the key players, clubs and events were?  How did the Manchester
scene play a key role in it all?  What was Spiral Tribe and techno
travelling sound systems all about?  What role did the British government
take and how did the Criminal Justice Act evolve?

Good book.

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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) wow....
Date: 08 Jul 1997 15:26:13 PDT



> This isn't surprising at all, when you note that the US population is
> about four and a half times that of the UK. Based on current
population
> figures from the US Census Bureau website, 'In Sides' has sold one
copy for
> every 1,337 people in the US, but it's sold one copy for every 469
people
> in the UK.
>  >>
>Yes, I realized that the population difference makes up for part of the
>anomaly, but I was surprised to notice it when all of the other
electronic
>music groups listed had more sales in the UK than in the US

Don't forget that with the movie "The Saint" out in the US, a lot of
people were exposed to Orbital through the theme, and went out and got
the album... plus they're on the Mtv CD, and now the MuchMusic CD...
Orbital's being pushed here... however I was at a record store here
today, the entire "Techno" section had 42 CD's, with NONE of them by
orbital!

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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(orbital) Orbital on usenet????
Date: 08 Jul 1997 17:36:21 -0500 (CDT)




What are the YMO remixes? I have a .mod file that is an YMO mix and I
think it it great.

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From: [e-mail] (Ben Reed)
Subject: Re: (orbital) MID/MOD files
Date: 08 Jul 1997 23:47:47 GMT


On Wed, 9 Jul 1997 02:51:52 +0300 (IDT), you wrote:

>hey all..
>just wanted to say my opinion ..
>i'm 100% sure that any orbital track in a mod file whould suck !
>the best thing in orbital is there tune,and no one can copy there tune =
to a
>mod file.

Gee... thanks  :)

don't judge before you listen, man...


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From: "R.L. Fitch" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital (1st timer)
Date: 08 Jul 1997 22:55:20 -0700


[e-mail] wrote:

>  Orbital have become my favorite artists.  That's how I've come to
> be here.  It's phenomenal how much this music really gets to the
> soul.  It makes me wanna take drugs!  :D
>
Don't do it, man.  Just say NO!


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From: "Morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) The Fat of the Land
Date: 09 Jul 1997 00:07:08 PDT


I made a mistake with that part.  I did not have a real trak listing, I =
just heard the songs without the names said until after a 5 song set.  =
That is not a song, but just the end of Narayan.  So sorry if I confused =
any of you.

----------
>
>
> >8. (name unknown):  This track was pretty good.  Sounds like the stuff
> >off of Jilted.  Is mostly a beat with a few starnge sounds here and =

> >there Nothing much more in this song not too bad though.  6/10
>
> This song isn't on the U.S. version of the album.
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From: "Morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) The Fat of the Land
Date: 09 Jul 1997 00:14:46 PDT


Actually, the other albums were influenced by the whole group as well. =
 Liam was just the center of it all.  They would all give ideas and Liam =
would make them happen.  Liam does not listen to dance or techno, he list=
ens to hip hop which is his favourite kind of music.  It is still a wonde=
r how he makes such good traks if he doesn't even truly like the music.


> Before it seemed like it was just liam doing everything, but now u can =

> sort of hear the influence from the other members of the band. Now when
> I look at the inside of the album, instead of seeing stuff like (all =

> tracks produced by liam howlett <sp?>), you see keith and maxim's
> contributions. Still, liam is such a musical genius, it would be nice =
to
> see him still sticking with the good ol' dance music like in
> Experience... wunder what the new album would song like today if he
> stuck with that genre >:/



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From: "Morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) off topic
Date: 09 Jul 1997 00:28:28 PDT


Hey,
Sorry for being off topic, but I have to shout out to someone.  I just =
got back from seeing Phantom Of The Opera for the second time (saw it for=
 the first time about amonth ago) and I can not get it off my mind.  It =
is truly beautiful and I think that anyone who appreciates Orbital could =
very easily appreciate this play.  It is too fucking amazing for words. =
 Next time it is in your area, do yourself a favour and go (that is if =
you like theatre).  I am deeply appreciate art in every form and size, =
and that is why I listen to Orbital.  It is art and a huge form, much lik=
e the play.  Orbital grasps my mind and holds it for weeks every time I =
hear a new song.  That is what plays do to me as well, that stay in my =
mind for weeks and it drives my insane, but I still crave it.  Well, than=
x for listening, I just have so much beauty stored in my head right now =
as "The Music Of The Night" replays itself over and over again, and I had=
 to share it with a group which I know would appreciate.

cya
Morpheus



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:CD for SALE - Live Orbital BOOT
Date: 09 Jul 1997 11:02:24 BST


THIS OFFER IS NOW OPEN TO ALL BUT THERE IS A LIMITED AMOUNT LEFT AFTER THE
LOOPZ MAILING LIST NEARLY CLEARED ZED-POOL OUT :)

A friend of mine ("Zed-Pool" who is not Net active) has created a CD. A CD
which had my mouth watering for days. The CD is a boot copy of the
OSCILLATE, BIRMINGHAM, UK gig from 1993.
It was the first gig (officially a warm up gig) for the Brown Tour. So the
CD holds the first ever airing of "Halcyon" and "Impact (The Earth is
Burning)". The quality i would class as top/good/excellent. It really is
an excellent recording. People who know me know that i dont recommend
anything i dont agree with or like. This i DO recommend.

It just happens to be my first ever Orbital gig....yes .... i was there
that very night. The gig has been made famous because of the power failure
during "Walk Now". The whole club lost its power. The restart "Walk Now"
track has been placed in perfect timing so the whole cd runs as one big
gig.

Anyway the track list is as follows:-

Planet of the Shapes
Lush 3-1
Lush 3-2
Lush 3-3 (Euro Tunnel...)
Impact Part 1
Impact Part 2
Remind
Chime
Walk Now (+ Walkabout (but not set up as individual cd track))
Monday
Monday (orchestra sample)
The Naked and the Dead
The Naked and the Dub
Halcyon

The total time of the cd is 73 mins!

As you may have guessed....this cd is on sale but with limited supplies
(even more limited after the amount that has already been sold on the
LOOPZ Mailing list).

The price is
15 Pound English Sterling (for UK, US and Europe)
**ONLY ENGLISH STERLING ACCEPTED WITH NO HIDDEN CHARGES**
Elsewhere in the world? - mail me and ill sort out the price.

The price includes:
-    postage
-    packing
-    cd case
-    cd inlay (basic content of the gig - nothing special - cheap!)
-    one cd (with all the above tracks on)

To reserve your copy (then send myself a mail to
[e-mail]) with the subject STAGE1 and give me the
details of your name and address. When u reserve the cd you will receive
an acknowledgement to state your cd number. This will be classed as
confirmation of your reservation.

Everyone who is given a cd number MUST send 15 Pounds (IN ENGLISH
STERLING) to the address within 7 Days. Send a mail to myself as soon as
you have posted the money. This will then put you in stage 2 and a mail
will be sent back to state this. Once the money has been received a mail
will be sent to you (stage 3) and the cd will then be processed and sent
out. If 7 day period is not met then the cd will be freed up for someone
else to buy. As soon as the money is on its way the cd is totally
reserved.
If the deadline is not met then the cd is freed up...but remember if u
confirm that money is in the post then u reach STAGE 2 and the CD is
reserved.
ALSO - if the cds are all taken i will be setting up a waiting list (first
come first serve) which will offer any rejected sales/deals to the people
on the waiting list.

Hope u are all confused like me :)

I do apologise for the procedure...but this is a sure way that there are
no time wasting and everyone knows what is going on. Its a first come ,
first serve basis. So send a mail to me if u do wish to be included in
this offer.

BTW this cd was offered to the LOOPZ MAILING LIST first.

Email to [e-mail]     Subject: STAGE1

any questions then drop me a mail...

ALSO if you wish to receive CD and LOOPZ ISSUE 3 then it will cost 16
ENGLISH POUNDS. The zine is now ready and waiting...although i still
havent sorted out the page on the site.

Http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/         (cut and paste)

Steve LOOPZ Price (on behalf of Zed-Pool)
Orbital Zine
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:CD BOOT - Track correction
Date: 09 Jul 1997 12:01:51 BST



oOPS

Lush 3-3 is Lush (Euro Tunnel Disaster)....sorry

Thanks Toddy!

STeve


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) good bye
Date: 09 Jul 1997 11:16:52 GMT


well, my second ride on this list has come to an end, and it will
definitely be my last visit. Everything is very boring and off topic
and shitty and I don't see how you can put up with it, if anyone wants
to keep in contact with me my email address is:
[e-mail]
(as you can see at the top of the page! :P )

anyway, for the last time, goodbye.

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   _/     _/      _/ _/      _/ _/      _/ _/_/ _/_/
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From: Rui Inacio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Telling others to F*** can be a healing experience. No Orbital.
Date: 09 Jul 1997 13:52:49 -0700


> I got to tell my whole =
> school to fuck off.
Why stop at school? go on, the sky is the limit...
Seriously now that must have felt good.
Cheers (not F*** you!)
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From: sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) the fat of the land
Date: 09 Jul 1997 15:06:00 EDT


> To me the entire album sounds almost the same...
depressing sounds, overdone beats, and Kieth rambling on annoyingly about
being psychotic or something (at least the first time through).

C'mon guys? just give the Prodigy a break! So what if they haven't stayed the
same for all these years? some things have to change, and I think that you can
chart the musical progression of the band through their albums. Do you all
really think that Charly was that great? The Prodigy are even embarrassed about
those early days.

It seems that it has become "cool" to say that the Prodigy's recent release is
"by far their worst" and such! Get with it; things have to change eventuallu.
Form an opinion of your own then argue that you don't like th music - not
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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) the fat of the land
Date: 09 Jul 1997 12:43:06 PDT



>C'mon guys? just give the Prodigy a break! So what if they haven't
stayed the
>same for all these years? some things have to change, and I think that
you can
>chart the musical progression of the band through their albums. Do you
all
>really think that Charly was that great? The Prodigy are even
embarrassed about
>those early days.


AMEN! dat's what i'm sayin'. It isn't a crime to change your taste in
music. If I had a piece of roadkill for everytime someone changed their
taste in music i'd have a big house made out of roadkill and a huge
in-ground swimming pool with a roadkill driveway and a roadkill
picket fence.. anyhoo.. i'm getting a bit redundant.. i'll stop now.

peace,

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From:    The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) the fat of the land
Date: 09 Jul 1997 15:31:37 -0400 (EDT)


On 9 Jul 1997, sawyer wrote:

> It seems that it has become "cool" to say that the Prodigy's recent release is
> "by far their worst" and such! Get with it; things have to change eventuallu.
> Form an opinion of your own then argue that you don't like th music - not
> because everyone is saying that the songs are too rocky.

    Well, er, you do have a point.. I don't think this album is any
worse than 'Experience'.. But I *do* think that 'Music.....' is far better
than either..

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.



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From: meg <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) off the subject, but whatever
Date: 09 Jul 1997 18:08:01 -0700


Prodigy, why are you all talking about prodigy?  I just joined the list
and the first messeges I get are notices about people complaining about
how prodigy has changed. Isn't this supposed to be about orbital?

Meg


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From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) the fat of the land
Date: 09 Jul 1997 15:59:27 -0500


I haven't been keeping up with all of the Prodigy posts for Fat of the Land..
But I do have the album...and I like it..
Thats my $0.02 !!
Chow!


At 03:06 PM 7/9/97 EDT, you wrote:
>
>> To me the entire album sounds almost the same...
>depressing sounds, overdone beats, and Kieth rambling on annoyingly about
>being psychotic or something (at least the first time through).
>
>C'mon guys? just give the Prodigy a break! So what if they haven't stayed the
>same for all these years? some things have to change, and I think that you
can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Snip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Cut rest of message off to avoid getting that stupid auto message...
sorry this message can't be posted because of too much quoted text.
Thank You,
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From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) off the subject, but whatever
Date: 09 Jul 1997 17:28:36 -0500


Uh oh...
Do I detect a flame???
Its getting kinda hot in here!

:-)

This has been explained to me before when I have complained about off topic
subjects that happen on this mailing list...

This is a mailing list that discusses Orbital, their influences, and groups
that are like them.  Or something like that.....

If someone else wishes to put in some $$$ in on this feel free.  'cause I
thinkI messed up the above definition.

have a gr-8 one!!

At 06:08 PM 7/9/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Prodigy, why are you all talking about prodigy?  I just joined the list
>and the first messeges I get are notices about people complaining about
>how prodigy has changed. Isn't this supposed to be about orbital?
Thank You,
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From: [e-mail] (David M Velasco)
Subject: Re: (orbital) the fat of the land
Date: 09 Jul 1997 18:10:49 -0700


>really think that Charly was that great? The Prodigy are even
>embarrassed about those early days.

I actually like quite a bit of their early stuff.  I don't think they
have any reason to be embarrssed about their beginning days as a band.

>It seems that it has become "cool" to say that the Prodigy's recent
>release is "by far their worst" and such! Get with it; things have to
change
>eventuallu.  Form an opinion of your own then argue that you don't like
th music -
>not because everyone is saying that the songs are too rocky.

Actually I was quite looking forward to the new Prodigy album, and still
haven't read any reviews on the Fat of the Land (except for the one I
responded to on this mailing list).  My opinion was only formed by
listening to the album and finding it tedious.  I agree that groups
evolve and change, and that's fantastic.  I'm obviously just not flowing
with Prodigy's new path.  I have to admit that their new album has began
to grow on me, but I still rank it as their worst album to date.


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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Spawn samples
Date: 09 Jul 1997 18:59:59 -0700


Got this info from the Moby Mailing List..

http://www.music.sony.com/Music/ArtistInfo/Spawn/

Now has samples!  Downloading the Satan remix as I type!


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From: "R.L. Fitch" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) off the subject, but whatever
Date: 09 Jul 1997 19:34:39 -0700


meg wrote:
>
> Prodigy, why are you all talking about prodigy?  I just joined the list
> and the first messeges I get are notices about people complaining about
> how prodigy has changed. Isn't this supposed to be about orbital?
>
> Meg
>

Thank you!


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From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) off the topic, but whatever
Date: 09 Jul 1997 21:41:21 -0500


At 07:34 PM 7/9/97 -0700, you wrote:
meg wrote:
 Prodigy, why are you all talking about prodigy?  I just joined the list
 and the first messeges I get are notices about people complaining about
 how prodigy has changed. Isn't this supposed to be about orbital?
 Meg


Thank you!


My last reply to all this crap is....
If you don't like whats on the list... Get OFF!!!!
It may sound gruff... but you are only adding to the "junk" mail!



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From: "Robert Young" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) non orbital- big top
Date: 09 Jul 1997 22:16:13 -0500


sooor about the non-orbital post -- so ill make it short.

can someone please tell me how to get tickets for the "big top" event....

robert



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From: meg <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Response to dear Digger's junk comment
Date: 09 Jul 1997 23:22:48 -0700


Constructive critism of the list was all that I was offering.  Dear, your
continued responses are in themselves adding to the 'junk' and drawing
away from the topic of orbital, and as you said before, their
'influences'.    Thanks ever so much,  Meg


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From: "James E. Brostek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Response to dear Digger's junk comment
Date: 09 Jul 1997 23:59:16 -0400 (EDT)



Yes,  constructive is a way to put it, but off that topic, here is an
offering, if there are people here, and maybe people you know who are
interested in starting up a prodigy mailing list, for the sake of prodigy,
and influences (I feel many off topic orbital stuff here), then please
reply to me and NOT the list.  I will be more then happy to support this
list.  I have the hardware, connection, and knowlege to make this a
possibility.

:
: Constructive critism of the list was all that I was offering.  Dear, your
: continued responses are in themselves adding to the 'junk' and drawing
: away from the topic of orbital, and as you said before, their
: 'influences'.    Thanks ever so much,  Meg
:

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From: Steve Maxwell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Response to dear Digger's junk comment
Date: 10 Jul 1997 02:59:41 -0500


meg wrote:
->Constructive critism of the list was all that I was offering.  Dear, your
->continued responses are in themselves adding to the 'junk' and drawing
->away from the topic of orbital, and as you said before, their
->'influences'.    Thanks ever so much,  Meg
>


meg...i guess you haven't had much experience w/ mailing lists...

1) Don't announce you're a newbie

2)if you're a newbie, wait and see what the list is about for a while
before you make a post.

3)your first posts should not sound authoritative or bossy...just offer a
few suggestions or thoughts...don't tell people well established on the
list that they're using the list incorrectly...

4)don't be pissy when you get flamed

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From:    Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) the fat of the land
Date: 10 Jul 1997 00:49:43 -0300 (ADT)


On 9 Jul 1997, sawyer wrote:

> chart the musical progression of the band through their albums. Do you all
> really think that Charly was that great? The Prodigy are even embarrassed about

Yes ;)  At least the Drum & Bass version...  Little bitta drum....


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From: Steve Maxwell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) saying rude, stupid things at 3 am
Date: 10 Jul 1997 03:49:11 -0500



sorry meg
sorry list

i guess i'll go crawl in a corner now...


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:LOOPZ MAIL is back online :)
Date: 10 Jul 1997 8:54:40 BST


Shite,

My mail server did a nose dive yesterday...and was down for the last 12
hours at least. So if you havent heard anything yet about the cds and you
sent a message then resend - it might not have got here.

Cheers

Steve

P.s. Pete Namlook/HIA (Bobby bird) - "SHADO" LP - Track 1 - Bliss! :)


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:Mod suck? REMIX COMPO! (win Orbital sigs!)
Date: 10 Jul 1997 9:56:10 BST



>hey all..
>just wanted to say my opinion ..
>i'm 100% sure that any orbital track in a mod file whould suck !
>the best thing in orbital is there tune,and no one can copy there tune =
to a
>mod file.

I would disagree...it depends on who has remixed, composed the track.
Ive heard the RANGER tracks (he sent them to OrBOTal - it has its uses !)
and i think The Girl With The Sun In Her Head stands out ...
I really think that this remix was good.

Anyone who can remix Orbital tracks....might be interested in the LOOPZ
Competition in the zine (and on the website in a day or 2), winner
receives signed copy (Phil and Paul) of the next zine (and maybe summit
else).

Anyway more about that l8r

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:Newsgroup / Offtopics and this list
Date: 10 Jul 1997 10:08:09 BST


>>
>>Uh oh...
>>Do I detect a flame???
>>Its getting kinda hot in here!
>>:-)
>>This has been explained to me before when I have complained about off
>>topic subjects that happen on this mailing list...
>>This is a mailing list that discusses Orbital, their influences, and
>>groups that are like them.  Or something like that.....
>>If someone else wishes to put in some $$$ in on this feel free.  'cause
>>IthinkI messed up the above definition.

Well what id say is that this list used to be very good but now its too
loose. Also there are rules for one and rules for another. I remember
seeing some spam about "Ill put a stop to it" regarding the off-topic
messages. Then we had about 15 ORB messages....you just gotta laff.
Moderation sucks...

Ive got no problem with the off-topic messages but i do think that we need
an Orbital news feed where you can go and get your dose of messages if u
want. Also pick and choose what Subjects you wish to read about and avoid
certain names that you dont share interests with (that was polite wasnt it
 :)  ).

As soon as a newsgroup is setup , i would leave this list with no
hesitation (i receive just the digest (its sometimes chopped in half for
some reason) and at the moment i skip the majority of messages).

So how do we go about setting a NEWSGROUP up ?

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine
Http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa <cut and paste>

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:CD - About STAGE 2
Date: 10 Jul 1997 13:39:27 BST


Just to let everyone on here know...that
STAGE 2 is when u have put the money in the post and u have sent me an
email to say that u have. The cd is then totally reserved.

A few were in a panic that the money wont arrive in 7 days...dont worry
about that...as long as i know that the money is coming...ill reserve the
cd.

Sorry for the confusion :)

STeve


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From: Weston Hunter <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) BUKEM!!! (off-subject)
Date: 10 Jul 1997 10:04:51 -0400


Hi,

I'll start out by apologizing this isn't about orbital.  I was wondering =
if anyone caught the LTJ Bukem gig last night @ Joy in Boston.  For =
anyone who is into drumnbass or ambient breakbeat stuff, last night was =
pure heaven!!  The last time I saw a gig this good was when I saw =
Orbital last fall.  Last night, I was standing directly behind the DJ =
booth and saw every single movement of his hands.  He is truly a =
worldclass DJ.  If he goes to your city you should definitely check it =
out.  The name of the tour is "Logical Progression 2".  If anyone out =
there saw him, let me know what you think.

Later,
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From: "Richie Rich" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Loopz Orbital Live CD
Date: 10 Jul 1997 18:07:08 +0100


I've had this CD a few days now and I've got to tell you that it is WELL
worth getting. You may think that the quality is bad because it is a
Bootleg but it is infact unbelievably good quality, definitely the best
bootleg I have heard, it almost sounds as though it is studio mastered.

All the old favourites are on there too - Impact is particularly good, Lush
sounds smart aswell.

And before anybody asks, no I do not work for Steve Price PLC and no I am
not being payed to write this, I just want to let you know that it is a
great CD and to grab a copy while there are still some left, you won't
regret it.

Rich

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...Even when you bow...."
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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Loopz Orbital Live CD
Date: 10 Jul 1997 21:45:12 +0200



> I've had this CD a few days now and I've got to tell you that it is WELL
> worth getting. You may think that the quality is bad because it is a
> Bootleg but it is infact unbelievably good quality, definitely the best
> bootleg I have heard, it almost sounds as though it is studio mastered.

I am in the process of getting one...actually two, but only one is for
myself. Could you please tell me (us!) about the cover... what's it like?
I presume nothing special was printed out, and I'm thinking of designing
a cover myself. I did this with couple of my own (mpeg) CDs, and had it
printed out it color...looks great (hehe, IMO, but that's too partial).

So, this may sound as a stupid question, but what color does the
CD remind you of ? I'm sure most of the people from the list would say
BROWN... but I'd like to have a poll to determine that. You know, so
I could make a better cover :) I'm sure I know at least one person
(hi dig!:)) whos gonna ask me for that cover as a file...

thanks,

Daniel
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From: Jeff Thorne <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) New to the list
Date: 09 Jul 1997 15:44:44 -0800


Hi all!

I was on this list a couple years ago, but I left.  A recent resurgence in my
interest in Orbital has caused me to come back.  That and a question.  I
was watching Amp on MTV the other night (which plays Orbital videos
rather regularly, FYI) and they played a video for the live version of Halcyon
(complete with Bon Jovi and Belinda).  By the time I caught my breath and
changed my pants it was over.  At the end it said "Orbital - Halcyon (Live) -
The Orbital Live Experience".  The Orbital Live Experience!?!?!?  Is this
some new live album/videotape that I haven't heard about?
(pleasepleaseplease let the answer be yes) or is MTV tormenting me
needlessly? (again).  Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Favorite Orbital song (at present, it changes weekly): The live version of
"Out There Somewhere".  Twenty some minutes of sheer electronic bliss!

JT

Oh, yeah, Amp plays Prodigy videos occasionally too.  Not that anyone on
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From: Gustav Aagesen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) re:Newsgroup / Offtopics and this list
Date: 10 Jul 1997 11:34:29 +0200


[e-mail] wrote:
[hack hack]
> So how do we go about setting a NEWSGROUP up ?
>
> Steve LOOPZ Price
> Orbital Zine
> Http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa <cut and paste>
>
There are newsgrups that works as FAQs for setting up newsgroups.. if
that is any help.. ..  = )


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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) OT opus iii
Date: 10 Jul 1997 07:35:07 PDT


sorry to add onto the string of off-topic emails but i figure you giys
might know something about this seeing that it's similar to orbital's
music.

anyone know where i can get some info on the group OPUS III? I bought
guru mother about a year ago and i thought it was ok.. put it in my
stash.. whipped it out again recently and fell in love with it. I can't
find a web site for them and i looked on the cd to find the record
company (eastwest). I emailed them and asked them for some info on opus
iii but they emailed back saying that they were no longer on that label.
i emailed them back again and asked which label there were on now but
got no response.. can anyone help me out here?



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From: sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) off topic
Date: 10 Jul 1997 16:22:54 EDT


meg:
>  Prodigy, why are you all talking about prodigy?  I just joined the list
 and the first messeges I get are notices about people complaining about
 how prodigy has changed. Isn't this supposed to be about orbital?


A couple of weeks ago it was okay to write loads about prodigy! it is kinda
orbital related, but sorry if I offended anybody anyway.

So here's a bit of orbital news: there were two videos for the Saint, because
MTV disliked the original - due to its featuring "static images".




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From: sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) the fat of the land
Date: 10 Jul 1997 16:28:15 EDT



> Well, er, you do have a point.. I don't think this album is any
worse than 'Experience'.. But I *do* think that 'Music.....' is far better
than either..

Yeah, that's true. 'music' is an amzing album though . . .

It's weird when you consider it, but Orbital haven't really undergone any
serious musical changes, and unlike many electronic bands their style has
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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Prodigy #1 in the US?
Date: 10 Jul 1997 14:13:50 -0700


http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/970709/entertainment/stories/music_sales_1.html


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From: "M Erickson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) I support MEG
Date: 10 Jul 1997 14:27:26 +0000


GO MEG !!!!!!!
E-MAIL TO:  [e-mail]


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From: cl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) the fat of the land
Date: 10 Jul 1997 17:15:05 -0500


> It's weird when you consider it, but Orbital haven't really undergone any
> serious musical changes, and unlike many electronic bands their style has
> remained pretty much the same . . . .
i think its weird that anyone thinks that they sound the same. listening
to pre-orbital 1 12'a and then to in sides certainly doesnt sound
similar to me.  the first singles and the first 2 albums have much more
minimal structures and are more dance oriented.  the last 2 albums
develop much slower and have a richer, more complex foundation (not
better, just different) orbital has developed along this path and it has
become more apparent with every release.
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From:    David Russell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) the fat of the land
Date: 10 Jul 1997 18:38:56 -0400


> i think its weird that anyone thinks that they sound the same. listening
> to pre-orbital 1 12'a and then to in sides certainly doesnt sound
> similar to me.  the first singles and the first 2 albums have much more
> minimal structures and are more dance oriented.  the last 2 albums
> develop much slower and have a richer, more complex foundation (not
> better, just different) orbital has developed along this path and it has
> become more apparent with every release.

I agree with you completely, the later songs are more complex (technially),
and I think orbital have developed into a superior band by doing so. I was
wondering though what people thought about the following. I seem to remember some
years ago, when DANCE music was massive (perhaps it still is), but tabloids
etc. heavily criticized the music for its simplicity - i.e It was easily
produced music using computers + bands were just ripping off their fans by
automating alot of work involved by pumping samples into a machine , push
a few buttons and then you have a hit single.

I wanted to ask anyone that is interested, Are Oribtal singles complex to
produce ? To me Orbital songs (especially latter ones), seem like pieces
of music that take months of work , as most of them sound utterly amazing,
the sweeping phrases, chord transitions and what have you.

Is Orbital Music as difficult to produce/create as mainstream music (Oasis,
Blur, Spice Girls ( :-) !?) whatever, ...) ?

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From: Didger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) off the subject, but whatever
Date: 10 Jul 1997 16:05:26 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Digger wrote:

>
> Uh oh...
> Do I detect a flame???
> Its getting kinda hot in here!
>
> :-)
>
> This has been explained to me before when I have complained about off topic
> subjects that happen on this mailing list...
>
> This is a mailing list that discusses Orbital, their influences, and groups
> that are like them.  Or something like that.....
>
> If someone else wishes to put in some $$$ in on this feel free.  'cause I
> thinkI messed up the above definition.
>
> have a gr-8 one!!
>

yes, I agree.  I like to hear about other bands that resemble Orbital or
are in the same genre.

gj
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From: sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) orbital songs
Date: 10 Jul 1997 19:09:04 EDT


> I wanted to ask anyone that is interested, Are Oribtal singles complex to
produce ?

Totally! I am a dance musician, and though I work with far fewer resources that
Orbital, their music must take so long to make. Satan, for example, has a really
effective layewring and mixing of sounds. The tabloids are pathetic - dance
music is just different to rock or whatever.





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Subject: (orbital) Orbital Song Writing
Date: 10 Jul 1997 18:19:23 -0500 (CDT)



>
>I wanted to ask anyone that is interested, Are Oribtal singles complex to
>produce ? To me Orbital songs (especially latter ones), seem like pieces
>of music that take months of work , as most of them sound utterly amazing,
>the sweeping phrases, chord transitions and what have you.
>
>Is Orbital Music as difficult to produce/create as mainstream music (Oasis,
>Blur, Spice Girls ( :-) !?) whatever, ...) ?

In terms of production, its a different set of rules for completely electronic acts such as
orbital compared to something like Oasis or Blur. Electronic instruments, by nature, tend to be
easier to record. This is for a bunch of reason's including 1.the sounds don't have the wild peaks
and lows like acoustic instruments so there is less of a need for compression and gating. 2. Alot
of electronic music is written on sequencers so for alot of electonic musicians they don't need use
multi tracking, they can go straight to DAT(as far as I know Orbital didn't get into multi-tracking
until after the "Brown Album"). 3. Most people when recording synths plug directly into their mixing
board and because of this because this don't have to worry about things like ambient background noise
and feedback.  Also with Orbital, they are using sequencers to record what they are doing so they can do
alot of cut and paste and re-arranging......which is very flexible. From what I've heard, from a friend
that talked to Orbital about their songwriting process,they usually write the intial tracks in about
three  or four hours on the basic sequences and then just spend ages mixing arranging everything
until it sounds perfect.


In terms of writting, Orbital arrangements tend to be more complex than your average three and a half minute
pop song. But then again, Orbital aren't using elements like vocals or acoustic instruments much ......so in
terms of difficulty in writing ...hmmm thats a hard one.


ROB

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From: "John K. Coffey II" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) off the subject, but whatever
Date: 10 Jul 1997 21:44:38 -0600


I agree, sane genre is fine with me.  But talking about bands like snoop
doggy dog would probably not be something to talk about on this list
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>> This has been explained to me before when I have complained about off
topic
>> subjects that happen on this mailing list...
>>
>> This is a mailing list that discusses Orbital, their influences, and
groups
>> that are like them.  Or something like that.....
>>
>> If someone else wishes to put in some $$$ in on this feel free.  'cause
I
>> thinkI messed up the above definition.





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From: [e-mail] (Donna K Evans)
Subject: (orbital) the next big thing, non-related topics
Date: 10 Jul 1997 23:04:56 -0500


here's something that surprised me when i opened my newspaper (Austin
American-Statesman, Austin, TX) this morning: a feature article titled
"Inside Austin's Electronic Underground."
i thought this was simply more testament to the fact that electronic
music has been labeled the "next big thing." even though austin's
so-called "electronic underground" has existed for years, they only write
about it now. plus, it was written as if it was all a completely new
thing that just began recently. go figure...

okay, i do agree with many of you that getting off topic is not exactly a
good thing, but i think it's okay once in awhile to mention non-orbital
things VERY BRIEFLY. if you want to talk about these things with others
in greater depth however, i think it's best if you reply to people
personally, and not to the list. that's my thoughts on the matter.

okay, after that, i will mention my VERY BRIEF non-related topic, and i
ask that anyone who wants to respond, please do it to me personally:
a couple of months ago, i heard a song that i think was called "atomic
bomb" and it was by fluke. i really like the song, but unfortunately have
never heard of fluke. if anyone can tell me anything about them, i would
greatly appreciate it.
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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) OT opus iii
Date: 11 Jul 1997 10:08:03


hello!

>>sorry to add onto the string of off-topic emails but i figure you giys
might know something about this seeing that it's similar to orbital's
music.

anyone know where i can get some info on the group OPUS III? I bought
guru mother about a year ago and i thought it was ok.. put it in my
stash.. whipped it out again recently and fell in love with it. I can't
find a web site for them and i looked on the cd to find the record
company (eastwest). I emailed them and asked them for some info on opus
iii but they emailed back saying that they were no longer on that label.
i emailed them back again and asked which label there were on now but
got no response.. can anyone help me out here?<<

I'm not sure I'd agree that discussing Opus III is entirely off topic as the
vocal line on "Halcyon" is sampled from Opus III's "It's A Fine Day".

I kind of suspect that Opus III have fallen into one-hit-wonder hell and
aren't on any record label these days...

I know that when I got really into "Halcyon" last year and realised where
the vocal line comes from I dug up a compilation album that had "It's A
Fine Day" on it... and didn't like it.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:REMIX compo and LOOPZ zine
Date: 11 Jul 1997 12:19:48 BST


Just to let u know.

The Remix competition that i briefly mentioned the other day is now ON.
Details on what to do, brief rules are on the LOOPZ website.

Remember...the winner will receive a signed copy (Phil and Paul
Hartnoll)of the next Loopz zine (and maybe summit else).

Also there is info on prices, contents, facts etc for the next issue of
the zine.

The site.... Http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa <cut and paste>
case sensitive as if u never knew ;)

Follow links to the the ZINE Image in the middle of ORBITAL and SCHEMATIX
for info on the zine and the competition.
Or just select the COMPETITION link for ermm...the competition :)

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: ed naylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) allstar news 07-09-97 <fwd>
Date: 11 Jul 1997 12:45:52 -0400 (EDT)


This was posted to the Underworld list early this morning - apologies
if you've already heard, but I think it's a pretty significant bit of
news.  Whether it's good news or bad is up to you! It certainly puts
the US sales figures for In Sides into some sort of perspective.

On Thu, 10 Jul 1997 23:21:33 -0400 (EDT) [e-mail] wrote:
>
Thought you all might want to see this:
>
> << THE PRODIGY DEBUTS AT NO. 1
>
>     Chalk another one up for electronic music -- and this time it's a
>   benchmark. The Prodigy's new album The Fat of the Land, released July 1
>   on Maverick, debuts at No. 1 on The Billboard 200 this week, making it
>   the highest debut of its kind. First- week sales of the album, which is
>   actually the U.K. group's third major- label release, were 200,959
>   units. The previous champs were the Chemical Brothers, whose Dig Your
>   Own Hole  debuted at No. 14 in April.  >>
>
> Looks like it's becoming really big.
>
> Gary
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From:    Gregory Drew <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) New to the list
Date: 11 Jul 1997 10:43:16 -0400




On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Jeff Thorne wrote:

>
> changed my pants it was over.  At the end it said "Orbital - Halcyon (Live) -
> The Orbital Live Experience".  The Orbital Live Experience!?!?!?  Is this
> some new live album/videotape that I haven't heard about?

    I don't know if this is any help or not BUT, a friend who works
for Polygram (or Polydor) which distributes Orbital in Canada says she's
seen a promotional thing for Orbital which included a video.  Apparently
it was a really cool shrink wrapped package which had some audio format
(cd or tape, I forget) and a video tape which had only the Halcyon Live
video on it.  Unfortunately, she was only able to borrow it from her boss
but he wouldn't give it to her (bastard!!).  Needless to say I wouldn't
hold my breath that it's a new album (but I do hope I'm wrong).


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From:    Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) OT opus iii
Date: 11 Jul 1997 12:13:54 -0300 (ADT)


On 11 Jul 1997, Ian Moore wrote:

> I know that when I got really into "Halcyon" last year and realised where
> the vocal line comes from I dug up a compilation album that had "It's A
> Fine Day" on it... and didn't like it.

I got the MP3, and wasn't very impressed.  What is impressive is what
Orbital did with the song.



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Subject: Re: (orbital) allstar news 07-09-97 <fwd>
Date: 11 Jul 1997 12:16:31 -0300 (ADT)


On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, ed naylor wrote:

> > Looks like it's becoming really big.

Never believe first week sales, especially when that group's recently
moved to a bigger label.  They discount the cost a lot and practically
force the CDs out the door to pump their rank.



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From: Ehrlich <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) the next big thing, non-related topics
Date: 11 Jul 1997 12:57:27 -0400



>okay, after that, i will mention my VERY BRIEF non-related topic, and i
>ask that anyone who wants to respond, please do it to me personally:
>a couple of months ago, i heard a song that i think was called "atomic
>bomb" and it was by fluke. i really like the song, but unfortunately have
>never heard of fluke. if anyone can tell me anything about them, i would
>greatly appreciate it.
>--sarah--

Fluke song "Atom Bomb" has been featured in many places.  I have heard it
on the wipe-out cd, and on the soundtrack to the Saint (which also features
the Orbital, EBTG, Underworld, etc...).  They also have a video which pops
up oftenly on the mtv electronica program entitles AMP.

I have a question, I live in the states and am interested in the Bootleg
(if there are any left) and im not sure how much it would cost me.  If
someone could tell me id much appreciate it.  Thanx



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From: sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) ORBITAL SONGWRITING
Date: 11 Jul 1997 13:12:35 EDT


> But then again, Orbital aren't using elements like vocals or acoustic
instruments much ......so in
terms of difficulty in writing ...hmmm thats a hard one.

I completely agree with you, but vocals and live instruments such as drums and
guitar have actually become very simple to record using modern technology.
Miking a guitar or average drum set, for example, given that the player is of
reasonable proficiency, is actually just a matter of the acoustics of the room.
Howie B has even perfected a three-mike method of recording drums.

As for how long it would take Orbital to record a song, the original MIDI
sequence may take a few hours - but this is far from the end resulty. The
Prodigy, for example, arrived at the basic listing for Fat after a few months;
the finished tracks took over a year. The same is true of many dance bands; the
original Born Slippy is very far from the finsihed remix, and "remixing" can be
likened to the treatment that Orbital give their original, rough song ideas.



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From: sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) altered states
Date: 11 Jul 1997 13:16:27 EDT


A while back someone mentioned the book Altered States - it was abouyt dance
music. Anywhow, if somebody could tell me the author, it would be much
appreciated.
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From: Brian Lorraine <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) ACK! SCRATCHES!!
Date: 11 Jul 1997 12:55:23 -0400


Arg!! two of my orbital cd's have scratches on em'!! The second cd from
in sides (on track #1) and <GASP> Orbital II -right on impact usa-
</UNGASP>...
I heard something before about wax being able to help? How does that
work

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From: [e-mail] (Ben Reed)
Subject: Re: (orbital) ACK! SCRATCHES!!
Date: 11 Jul 1997 19:18:08 GMT


On Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:55:23 -0400, you wrote:

>Arg!! two of my orbital cd's have scratches on em'!! The second cd from
>in sides (on track #1) and <GASP> Orbital II -right on impact usa-
></UNGASP>...
>I heard something before about wax being able to help? How does that
>work

Use something like Turtle Wax... rub it into the cd, and then buff it
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Subject: Re: (orbital) ACK! SCRATCHES!!
Date: 11 Jul 1997 12:31:38 PDT


>Use something like Turtle Wax... rub it into the cd, and then buff it
>off...


the whole surface or just where the scratch is?

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From:    The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) New to the list
Date: 11 Jul 1997 20:21:00 -0400 (EDT)


On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Gregory Drew wrote:

>     I don't know if this is any help or not BUT, a friend who works
> for Polygram (or Polydor) which distributes Orbital in Canada says she's
> seen a promotional thing for Orbital which included a video.  Apparently
> it was a really cool shrink wrapped package which had some audio format
> (cd or tape, I forget) and a video tape which had only the Halcyon Live
> video on it.  Unfortunately, she was only able to borrow it from her boss
> but he wouldn't give it to her (bastard!!).  Needless to say I wouldn't
> hold my breath that it's a new album (but I do hope I'm wrong).

    It's a CD and video (and maybe 1 other thing) in nifty clear
plastic packaging. The CD is a sampler up thru Times Fly, and the Vid. is
Halcyon live. On AMP the chopped it from 7 1/2 minutes down to about 2 and
edited it horribly. I turned the TV off immediately when it morphed into
the "Around the World" video.

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
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Subject: Re: (orbital) ACK! SCRATCHES!!
Date: 11 Jul 1997 20:30:54 -0400 (EDT)


On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Ben Reed wrote:

> Use something like Turtle Wax... rub it into the cd, and then buff it
> off...

    Really? Does this actually work? I know Discwasher makes a CD
polish that looks a lot *like* car wax, and it works great. Maybe I
answered my own question. <thwack>

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
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From: Ehrlich <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) the next big thing, non-related topics
Date: 11 Jul 1997 23:59:53 -0400


>I asked him and he said he wanted it in pounds, so you have to find some
>place to exchange it.  and if you are like me and in the middle of the us
>then you really cannot find anyplace, if you can, I will send you the money
>and you can order one for me too

How much would it be in american money if i went through you???

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From: Ehrlich <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) FAVORITE SONG
Date: 12 Jul 1997 00:10:39 -0400


i am going to take a poll of everyone's favortie song.  so if you could
directly email me with the name of your favorite orbital song.  i would
greatly appreciate it.  Thanx.  I will let you know the results in two days
(July 13).


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From: Steve Chandler <[e-mail]>
Date: 12 Jul 1997 01:15:30 -0400


Brian A. Crawford
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Wrote that he lived in Toronto and it had a more European Flair than the
US.  I live in Toronto and have lived thru punk and back now to disco.
 Agreed, Toronto is a place you can get anything you'd like.  There are a
number of stores, places like Penguin Music on McCaul at Queen, Record
Peddlar for Imports at Yonge / Wellesley, HMV and a slew of used stores
along Queen from University to Bathurst, cool dance clubs, Goth clubs,
theme clubs ... just like in European markets.  I am surprised that with
the University and College crowds here that the sound of Orbital and FSOL
was not bigger than it is now sooner.  There is a particularly good station
out of Ryerson that plays stuff from DJ's that really like the material
they play.  None of it really seems to ever be mainstream.  Some of the
clubs also have performance artists (I have a few friends in that group
here working towards rock and roll demigod status) who compose 1 week
before a gig and perform new material, all of it original in many ways.
 Toronto does have a cosmopolitan feel about it, but that is a matter of
exposure.  We have rednecks too.

July 4th came and I had a chance to go to the Lollapalooza concert at
Canada's Wonderland (in my backyard so to speak) and see headliners Orbital
perform.  Oh, there were bands like James (honorable mention, tho the lead
singer wore a neck brace a good part of their performance, explaining that
he had whiplash and would not be up to his "usual fuckin' around."  Korn,
Snoop Doggy Dog, Tricky (angry but cool), Tool and a second stage with the
likes of Radish and Jeremy Toback (another honorable mention ... he had a
Hawaiian surfer punk blues guitarist tastefully executing for him).  DJ
Shadow was slated but no showed for the tour the manager of Radish told us.
 While Orbital's crew was setting up, they had a performance art dance band
playing for us.  The lead was made up to look like a butterfly (she seemed
very Lebanese ... had the belly dancing gene) and the DJ was a guy made to
look like a green demon with a small set of wings.  they were amusing on
the whole, left and 5 minutes later the band came on.

the stage was about 40 feet across.  Canada's Wonderland has a 1000, 2000
seat section that is not inclined and holds about 800.  3000 holds about
600 and is inclined, but the seats are about 30 rows back.  The rest are
general admission field seats where the glowstick ravers hung out.  A lot
of people left before Orbital.  It seemed they were there to see Tool or
Korn.  There were about 4000 heads to see Orbital total by my estimation.
 There were 3 12 foot screens across the top of the stage (18 feet high)
set up with a left / right / centre motif.  2 more matching screens in the
lower left and right of the screens but about 3 feet further out to give a
fuller stage effect.  The performance was covered over with a tent, the
guys front and centre.  Behind them was a disco ball that revolved and
changed colors.  There was a piece they played with seagulls on the screens
flying while the ball moved and it seemed to make a flowing starscape.  The
video content played was repetitive (surprise!) but generally different for
each piece.  Kind of like a well thought out screen saver.  the sound was
crisp, the high and low end very well mixed.

Paul and Phil came out, said in a loud, frenetic voice "Hello Toronto," and
began with Remind.  Chime and then a number of new songs from the new album
including the Saint (not The Sinner ... but in one hour, what can you ask
for?), Satan and other excerpts.  During Halcyon, the guys broke into a set
of verses from Bon Jovi's "You give lovin' a bad name" and mixed it with
Belinda Carlisle's "Heaven is a place on Earth" in a way that ... worked.
 They did it for about 45 seconds and cut back into Halcyon.  When the
performance as over, they thanked us, said goodnight and left the stage.
 In under a minute, the lights came on and the stage crew came out and
started taking the stage apart.  End.

It was totally worth it and I would see them every chance I got.  The
performance was very cool, the guys get off on applause and really groove
to their own material.  They are fun to see make music.


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From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A3=A3=A3_--->_$$$?=
Date: 12 Jul 1997 10:01:29 -0500


The 15 Pounds that Steve is asking for the CD comes out to be about $26.25
in american dollars.

That may vary just a little from place to place because of your banks
exchange rate, but thats right around where it should be.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: re:Fw: (orbital) the next big thing, non-related topics
Date: 12 Jul 1997 16:31:32 BST


They cost 15 POunds in English money. Im not too sure how much that works
out in dollars , but if anyone can help out...

When u are happy with the payment...mail me.

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>>I have a question, I live in the states and am interested in the Bootleg
>(if there are any left) and im not sure how much it would cost me.  If
>someone could tell me id much appreciate it.  Thanx
>
>
>
>Geoff
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:Live Experience
Date: 12 Jul 1997 16:54:52 BST


>>    I don't know if this is any help or not BUT, a friend who works
>>for Polygram (or Polydor) which distributes Orbital in Canada says she's
>>seen a promotional thing for Orbital which included a video.  Apparently
>>it was a really cool shrink wrapped package which had some audio format
>>(cd or tape, I forget) and a video tape which had only the Halcyon Live
>>video on it.  Unfortunately, she was only able to borrow it from her
>>boss but he wouldn't give it to her (bastard!!).  Needless to say I
>>wouldn't hold my breath that it's a new album (but I do hope I'm wrong).

This is over a year old. Its the Trupak pack, which has a vacuum sealed
Video (Halycon live...now called "The Live Experience"), a totally
incorrect Discog card (well its incorrect in a lot of places) and a cd
compromising of certain tracks from the first 3 albums.
Incidentally...The MTV is a rejig of the video from the pack. It features
live footage from Glasto, Feile and Tribal (if i remember right). Word of
warning whoever ends up getting this....watch your video dont chew the
tape (mine did!). Luckily i got another.

Cheers

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Satan Live
Date: 12 Jul 1997 13:57:36 PDT


Hi!
Can anyone in the states tell me how much (approximatley) the Satan Live
CD's cost?  I actually found them (one copy of each) in a record store
here, but it was $16.97 for EACH CD, and that just seemed totally
overpriced... I'm headed to the Detroit area in August, and I was
wondering how much the CD's cost down in the states... on a brighter
note, I picked up Diversions for $9.99 and Orbital I for $10.99... not
bad...

--Aimee--

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From: "Mr disco" <[e-mail]>
Subject:       Re: (orbital) Satan Live
Date: 12 Jul 1997 17:16:15 EST


Hiya

> Can anyone in the states tell me how much (approximatley) the Satan Live
> CD's cost?  I actually found them (one copy of each) in a record store
> here, but it was $16.97 for EACH CD, and that just seemed totally

That's way to much even for import CDs.  Try some of the CD shops on
the web.  Personally, I got the double vinyl instead which has all the
released live tracks PLUS Choice, without audience noise, for the
price of a single CD ($13.99).  Good luck finding it, though.

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From: [e-mail] (Ben Reed)
Subject: Re: (orbital) Satan Live
Date: 12 Jul 1997 21:40:50 GMT


On Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:57:36 PDT, you wrote:

>
>Hi!
>Can anyone in the states tell me how much (approximatley) the Satan Live=
=20
>CD's cost?  I actually found them (one copy of each) in a record store=20
>here, but it was $16.97 for EACH CD, and that just seemed totally=20
>overpriced... I'm headed to the Detroit area in August, and I was=20
>wondering how much the CD's cost down in the states... on a brighter=20
>note, I picked up Diversions for $9.99 and Orbital I for $10.99... not=20
>bad...

CDNow has each of the Satan Live singles for $12.25, although I'm not
sure how much shipping is, but if I remember correctly, it was very
small (couple of bucks at the most)


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Orbital Changes
Date: 12 Jul 1997 20:33:52 -0400 (EDT)


>i think its weird that anyone thinks that they sound the same. the first
>singles and the first 2 albums have much more minimal structures and are
more >dance oriented.  the last 2 albums develop much slower and have a
richer, more >complex foundation (not better, just different) orbital has
developed along >this path and it has become more apparent with every release.
        Right on...having just completed my Orbital full-length studio album
collection, I would certainly say that their work has moved away from dance
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Orbital Changes (II?!)
Date: 12 Jul 1997 20:35:19 -0400 (EDT)


        Witness the fact that Orbital 2 has only two or three things (or
"voices", if you will) going on in each song.  "The Girl With..." has at
least five at some points, and "Out There Somewhere" is simply brillant.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) LOW prices
Date: 12 Jul 1997 20:45:12 -0400 (EDT)


Dear List,
If you want to hunt for cheaper prices (this is mainly directed to you people
who think $12.25 is a good price for Satan Live), go to these sites:
www.isotank.com
www.ab-cd.com

At **isotank**, they are $9.95 each plus shipping (last time I was there).
I like **ab-cd** becuase they really do have some rare stuff and they explain
what the CD's are more thoroughly. Oh, BTW, **cdnow.com** has recently upped
their prices on EVERYTHING in their store. Hunt carefully before you guys buy
stuff from the web, because a better price is a quick search and a click
away. Alright?

If you people have suggestions for cheap, searchable, web CD stores, pass it
along!

And if you want to visit a random homepage, go to mine:
http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/jmmuncha

See ya.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital Changes
Date: 12 Jul 1997 20:09:00 -0500 (CDT)


On 07/12/97 20:33:52 you wrote:
>
>
>>i think its weird that anyone thinks that they sound the same. the first
>>singles and the first 2 albums have much more minimal structures and are
>more >dance oriented.  the last 2 albums develop much slower and have a
>richer, more >complex foundation (not better, just different) orbital has
>developed along >this path and it has become more apparent with every release.
>        Right on...having just completed my Orbital full-length studio album
>collection, I would certainly say that their work has moved away from dance
>more into sophisticated musical construction. -das mookum.


I would say that this path wasn't exactley a straight one though. Snivilization
had a few good ideas and songs going on but as a whole it came across as kinda
disjointed.....but then again alot of transitions are like that. I think that they've
really suceeded with insides in trying to balance dance with complex structures.....
can't wait to see where they go next :)

ROB

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From: "Mick George" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Satan Live
Date: 12 Jul 1997 21:20:39 -0700



>Can anyone in the states tell me how much (approximatley) the Satan Live
>CD's cost?  I actually found them (one copy of each) in a record store
>here, but it was $16.97 for EACH CD, and that just seemed totally
>overpriced

I'm in the Boston area and all cd singles here on UK import will cost you
$9.99 only on rare occasions double cd single etc will they charge more .
$16.97 is a good price for 2 but no way for only 1 .

Mick
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: re:(orbital) re:Live Experience
Date: 13 Jul 1997 10:20:44 BST


on the outlay it says

Chime

Choice
Belfast

Sunday
Impact (USA)
Remind

Kein Track Wasser
Are We Here ?
Times Fly (Slow)

But even that is slightly incorrect....right tracks...wrong order :)

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From:    Gregory Drew <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) LOW prices
Date: 13 Jul 1997 13:41:49 -0400




    This is a just a comment with regards to the cd prices we've been
talking about.  The original question was asked by Aimee (who lives in
Canada) and the price she listed was in Canadian dollars.  It WAS
expensive but I don't think any other alternatives (such as buying from
the states) were any cheaper (with the exception of looking around
further locally that is).  I've ordered away and including exchange
rate and postage you end up with having saved, if anything, very little.
On top of it you had to wait at least a couple of weeks before you get
anything.

    But while we're on the subject, what does a regularly priced cd
and/or single go for in other countries such as the states or the UK?  I'm
curious to know since I think I've been told that cds in England at least
are not cheaper once exchange rate has been considered (with the Canadian
dollar that is).  Anyhoo...


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From: [e-mail] (Hiroshi MURATA)
Subject: (orbital) remix for YMO
Date: 14 Jul 1997 04:08:48 +0900


Hi orbitalians,

At Tue, 8 Jul 1997 17:36:21 -0500, Reality <[e-mail]> wrote:
>What are the YMO remixes? I have a .mod file that is an YMO mix and I
>think it it great.

I have the YMO CDs.

The track "Behind The Mask" is originally a classic
Sakamoto/Takahashi track. They used it for their own
world your on 1979 and 1980.


"Hi-Tech/No Crime"
The Y.M.O. Remix Album
Alfa Records/ ALCA-323 (1992)

 1. Camouflage             Mark Gamble Micro-Mix [I]
 2. Firecracker            The Shamen Remix
 3. Multiplies             The Altern 8 Remix
 4. Light In Darkness      The 808 State Remix
 5. Behind The Mask        The Orbital Remix
 6. Loom                   Mark Gamble Micro-Mix [II]
 7. Technopolis            The Rhythmatic Remix
 8. La Femme Chinoise      The LFO Remix
 9. Castalia               Mark Gamble Micro-Mix [III]
10. Tighten Up             The Robert Gordon Remix
11. Shadows On The Ground  The Sweet Exorcist Remix
12. Rydeen                 The Graham Massey Remix



"Hi-Tech/U.S. Crime"
Alfa Records/ ALCA-527 (1993)

 1. Camouflage             Mark Gamble Micro-Mix [I]
 2. Light In Darkness      The 808 State Remix
 3. Behind The Mask        The Orbital Remix
 4. Multiplies             The Altern 8 Remix
 5. Loom                   Mark Gamble Micro-Mix [II]
 6. La Femme Chinoise      The LFO Remix
 7. Tighten Up             The Robert Gordon Remix
 8. Firecracker            The Shamen Remix
 9. Castalia               Mark Gamble Micro-Mix [I]
10. Shadows On The Ground  The Sweet Exorcist Remix
11. Rydeen                 The Graham Massey Remix
12. Firecracker            Additional Production, Reconstruction
                                and Mix bt The Shamen
13. Firecracker - Tong Poo Remixed By Mark Gamble
14. Tong Poo               The Orb Remix
15. Tong Poo               The Other Orb Remix II
16. Light In Darkness (...spark)   The 808 State Ambient Reprise



There also is a video "Hi-Tech/ Video Crime" but it's
nothing but dumb computer graphics.

Best,

Hiroshi.


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From:    The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: re:(orbital) re:Live Experience
Date: 13 Jul 1997 16:08:55 -0400 (EDT)


On Sun, 13 Jul 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> But even that is slightly incorrect....right tracks...wrong order :)

    Err, Choice and Belfast are switched, right? Oh, WHere did that
mix of Impact come from? It's quite different from the others, closer to
the live version..

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
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From:    The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) the next big thing, non-related topics
Date: 13 Jul 1997 16:04:48 -0400 (EDT)


On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Ehrlich wrote:

> >I asked him and he said he wanted it in pounds, so you have to find some
> >place to exchange it.  and if you are like me and in the middle of the us
> >then you really cannot find anyplace, if you can, I will send you the money
> >and you can order one for me too
>
> How much would it be in american money if i went through you???

    You can get a foreign draft check from any bank. Just go to the
help desk and tell them you need a check for the amount of 15 British
pounds. There is a nasty little fee for that, though. My bank (first
union) has a $20 service charge they tack on to it.. So my 18 pound check
cost me $50..

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
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From: Robert Sink <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Satan Live
Date: 12 Jul 1997 18:15:18 -0400 (EDT)


Mr disco has written:
> That's way to much even for import CDs.  Try some of the CD shops on
> the web.  Personally, I got the double vinyl instead which has all the
> released live tracks PLUS Choice, without audience noise, for the
> price of a single CD ($13.99).  Good luck finding it, though.
>

I bought mine from EAR/Rational for $9.25/ea + sNh:

http://www.xmission.com:80/~ear/o.html

--

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From: lysergic maximus <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) exchanging currency
Date: 13 Jul 1997 16:28:11 -0500


>    You can get a foreign draft check from any bank. Just go to the
>help desk and tell them you need a check for the amount of 15 British
>pounds. There is a nasty little fee for that, though. My bank (first
>union) has a $20 service charge they tack on to it.. So my 18 pound check
>cost me $50..

i went to the airport and purchased the 15 pounds...  they tagged on about
$2.50 in service fees but it only cost me $29 dollars...  i do the same
when i receive foreign currency from people... check into it if there is a
big airport nearby...  i had my wife run in so i didn't even have to shell
out for parking!

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Birmingham '93 live CD cover
Date: 13 Jul 1997 23:38:47 +0200



As I said I would, I took some time and made the cover.
It's been greatly influenced by Richie Rich (from this list),
who said he sees the music as black or blue (don't look at me,
I haven't got the CD yet... maybe in a week or so..).
Shaun gave me the atom pic after I searched for it all the
places I could... so thanks Shaun. :)

So, it's only the front cover for now, back cover will be done
soon, after I hear what you guys think of the front one first.
It took me about half an hour to do it, from scratch, so don't
expect miracles until  you've seen it. It's been done in
Photoshop and it's very simple but IMO effective and decent
enough to take place in my cd case.
You all have every permission to print it out for yourself.

So git yer browsers to http://www.seven.hr/leqash/orbital/birm2.jpg
and let it download.

NOTE: The image is 1417 x 1417 pixels in 300 dpi,
           ready-to-print jpeg. It's about 745 Kb, so it may take
           some time. I am going to print it for myself in WAX in
           300 dpi, because I think INK stinks compared to wax
           even in 720 dpi.

Daniel
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) An Orbital comparison :)
Date: 13 Jul 1997 17:17:58 -0500 (CDT)






I just picked up the new issue of Axcess magazine and there was a review of my band, LogiQ's
CD. This statement was in it "If you like to groove to Orbital, then your bound to find
a couple of tracks on this disc  that will fit on your mix tape" Kinda made me happy :)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) the next big thing, non-related topics
Date: 13 Jul 1997 19:28:35 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-07-13 00:29:16 EDT, you write:

<< >I asked him and he said he wanted it in pounds, so you have to find some
 >place to exchange it.  and if you are like me and in the middle of the us
 >then you really cannot find anyplace, if you can, I will send you the money
 >and you can order one for me too >>
Actually,if there's a travel agency near you, you can get pounds there.

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From: "Morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) LOW prices
Date: 13 Jul 1997 22:44:17 PDT


I live in canada, and I pick up my ep's for $8.99 and this is for imports=
.  I got the Satan Live disks at this price and same with Times Fly.  The=
 Saint was $4.99 Look around that's all I can say.

>     This is a just a comment with regards to the cd prices we've been
> talking about.  The original question was asked by Aimee (who lives in
> Canada) and the price she listed was in Canadian dollars.  It WAS
> expensive but I don't think any other alternatives (such as buying from
> the states) were any cheaper (with the exception of looking around
> further locally that is).  I've ordered away and including exchange
> rate and postage you end up with having saved, if anything, very little=
.
> On top of it you had to wait at least a couple of weeks before you get
> anything.
>



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: re:(orbital) re:Live Experience
Date: 14 Jul 1997 7:51:50 BST


Its called IMPACT USA and it is found on the DIVERSIONS EP and the IMPACT
USA 12 inch. These were only released in the US, believe it or not. :)
Yep...it was closer to the Impact that was performed live (around 94) but
i think they have moved Impact on even further...

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine
Http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa

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Sent by:The Box <[e-mail]>
 On Sun, 13 Jul 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> But even that is slightly incorrect....right tracks...wrong order :)

    Err, Choice and Belfast are switched, right? Oh, WHere did that
mix of Impact come from? It's quite different from the others, closer to
the live version..

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) NATAS NATAS NATAS? and Satan Live Video?
Date: 13 Jul 1997 22:32:36 -0700


I remember reading that Orbital occasionally played the Satan sample backwards
in concert.  Is this true or am I just making this up?

If it's true, why wasn't this version included on one of the Satan Live
singles?  It would have been nice to hear that version too..

And has anyone in the US seen the Satan video?  How come it has never been
shown on Amp?  Was it shown over there in the UK?


Shaun
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Subject: Re: (orbital) New to the list
Date: 14 Jul 1997 11:28:25 -0400 (EDT)


the package you're talking about is available at www.ab-cd-.com for $79.97.

I ordered it, but after finding out 1. it was just Halcyon on the video and
2. the video was not compatible on American VHS, I decided against it.

By the way, it comes with a CD that has various tracks from each album up to
Snivilisation (I think). I know there's no new tracks or "live" tracks on
this CD.

Hope this helped!

Brent


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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) BUKEM!!! (off-subject! who cares!)
Date: 14 Jul 1997 16:33:55


hello Weston!

>>I'll start out by apologizing this isn't about orbital.  I was wondering if
anyone caught the LTJ Bukem gig last night @ Joy in Boston.  For anyone who is
into drumnbass or ambient breakbeat stuff, last night was pure heaven!!  The
last time I saw a gig this good was when I saw Orbital last fall.  Last night,
I was standing directly behind the DJ booth and saw every single movement of
his hands.  He is truly a worldclass DJ.  If he goes to your city you should
definitely check it out.  The name of the tour is "Logical Progression 2".  If
anyone out there saw him, let me know what you think.<<

I've heard good things about Bukem, haven't seen him myself. Can I just check
one thing... you know the way you stood directly behind the DJ booth and caught
every move of LTJ's hands... well did you dance at all?

ian


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From: Meat <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Lolla and Orbital
Date: 14 Jul 1997 02:40:58 -0400


hey guys...

this is not only a test/check for life on this mailing list but also an
informant that two days ago, friday, july the 11th i saw orbital perform
at Lollapolooza. wow. they rocked the place. ever since i got the
tickets i was psyched as hell. the line-up was somethin like this:
marley bros. - james - korn - tricky - snoop doggy dog - tool -
orbital.  tool was amazing and that really got me psyched for orbital
although the 25 minute wait between the end of tool's bit and orbital
coming out really pissed me off (not only because of waiting but also
because in between these people dressed in hideous suits came out and
pretended to be electronica disc jokeys of some sort. really fucking
retarded). but they had a really neat turn table set and shit (don't
forget this is the first time i see orbital live) they had 5 screen (3
behind them and 1 to the right and 1 to the left) that showed cool
videos and bugged out trippy shit. the brothers wore these headbands
with two headlights and a red laser beam which was pretty neat. the
whole thing was about an hour and a half -- the longest performance --
and they played satan, the box and some other shit that i forgot.
overall it was a kick ass performance and i was doing my thing up in the
"rave pit".

                            peace
                                -dan.


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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) LOW prices
Date: 14 Jul 1997  9:59:50


Greg says:

>> But while we're on the subject, what does a regularly priced cd
and/or single go for in other countries such as the states or the UK?  I'=
m
curious to know since I think I've been told that cds in England at least
are not cheaper once exchange rate has been considered (with the Canadian
dollar that is).  Anyhoo...<<

the normal price for a full-price CD single here is =9C3.99. that's three=
 pounds=20
ninety nine pence if your machine doesn't do pound signs. An album length=
 CD=20
would be about =9C13.99.=20

I think those prices are basically the same as in England, and the values=
 of=20
the Irish and English pounds are close enough for me not to have to think=
 about=20
the difference.

The Satan live CDs were being sold for =9C1.99 each in the UK, but here t=
hey were=20
still full price. Bah.

ian


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From: [e-mail] (Sean Strout)
Subject: (orbital) TruPak 12 info
Date: 14 Jul 1997 08:56:37 PDT


> the package you're talking about is available at www.ab-cd-.com for $79.97.
>
> I ordered it, but after finding out 1. it was just Halcyon on the video and
> 2. the video was not compatible on American VHS, I decided against it.
>
> By the way, it comes with a CD that has various tracks from each album up to
> Snivilisation (I think). I know there's no new tracks or "live" tracks on
> this CD.

This the TruPak 12 promo that comes in a vacuum sealed silver bag.  Inside
are three more bags.

One is an approx. 7-8 minute "video" for Halcyon live with the Bon Jovie/Belinda
Carlisle mix.  NOTE:  This video is in *NTSC* format (US compatible) and *not*
PAL (UK/Europe).  The video is mostly live concert footage with news pressings, stage
layout and photos organized in a rhythmically paced collage.

Another bag contains a silver CD in a clear plastic case which contains various
available tracks from Orbital 1 - Snivilisation.  The listing of the songs is
out of order, as was mentioned (Chime, Belfast, Choice, Sunday, Impact USA,
Remind, Kein Trank Wasser, Are We Here?, Times Fly (slow)).  There are no
unique tracks on this CD.

The last bag contains five plastic stock cards which have a discogrpahy (UK),
track listings on the CD that can be layed over the discography card to
map the song to the version (12", CD, LP, etc. etc.), and couple of cards
with writeups about the band.  One of the cards has an image of P&P embedded
in it.

Overall, it's a lovely promo.  It has a very layered/integrated feel to it,
right down to the casing for the video.  It's a pretty rare gem, reserved for
the more nutty Orbital enthusiasts/completists.

Sean

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:The BHAM CD Cover
Date: 14 Jul 1997 17:39:13 BST


Ill be mailing summit about the cover and general stuff about the gig -
but like i said it was made to be quick, inexpensive and appropiate. Its
actually the original flyer for the gig (yep thats the only way it was
advertised - low key). If u do another cover dont forget your unique cd
number as its part of the discog collection.

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: James Titchmarsh <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) headlight glasses
Date: 14 Jul 1997 12:47:03 -0400



the weird "glasses" that Orbital wear when their playing live can be boug=
ht
from the U.K. R.S. catalogue, there only about seven pounds and take four=

AAA size batteries, so if any of you out there see some idiot dancing
around wearing a pair at the phoenix festival this weekend, chances are i=
t
could be me !!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) EMPIRION:: Advanced Technology::
Date: 14 Jul 1997 10:19:42 -0700


Hi ((again!))

I picked up Empirion's Advanced Technology a while ago, I thought it was
really great.
..but what really floated my boat was that on the inside, it says
"empirion::inspirations::" and one of the groups was Orbital. pretty
cool, i guess.
just thought id share this with the world :o)

skaboom!


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Lolla
Date: 14 Jul 1997 10:19:30 -0700


Hi all!

Ive been on this list for a LONG time now, havent spoken much but o
well... I have a question ....I clipped out this ad for lolla and it
said the bands that were going to be at lolla... my point, Orbital wasnt
on there, and not on the web site, but it did say Orbit..... is it a
typo for Orbital or is "Orbit" ((William Orbit)) going to be there?
ERRR!

..~Not Orbital related but.... Does anybody know when Atari Teenage Riot
starts playin at lolla? I heard they would be joining for the last 2
months but I was just wondering if anybody knew for sure.((I LOVE ATARI
TEENAGE RIOT!!!!!!!))

WEll, if anyone could help with some info thatd would be great,Id love
it, thankx all.

SKAboom!


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From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) New to the list
Date: 14 Jul 1997 12:23:14 -0500


I wanted to let everyone on the list know...
that I can convert the English standard vidoe format (PAL) to American
standard format (NTSC).....
If you need any more help...or more info....or you need to make
arrangements for me to convert something for you please e-mail me at
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At 11:28 AM 7/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>the package you're talking about is available at www.ab-cd-.com for $79.97.
>
>I ordered it, but after finding out 1. it was just Halcyon on the video and
>2. the video was not compatible on American VHS, I decided against it.
>Brent

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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: re:(orbital) re:Live Experience
Date: 14 Jul 1997 10:21:29 PDT



>Its called IMPACT USA and it is found on the DIVERSIONS EP and the
IMPACT
>USA 12 inch. These were only released in the US, believe it or not. :)
>Yep...it was closer to the Impact that was performed live (around 94)
but
>i think they have moved Impact on even further...

Actually, I'm in Canada, and I just picked up the Diversions EP for ten
bucks on Saturday...

--Aimee--

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From: Faust <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) (Photek) Discography?
Date: 14 Jul 1997 14:57:02 -0500


I realize that this is a bit off the subject, but does anyone know if
Photek (Or the Chameleon or whomever.) has had any US realeses other than
NI TEN ICHI RYU and the Hidden Camera?? I finally got them, and I paid $20
for the six songs. I am currently looking for more CD's and maybe some
vinyl...
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From: Faust <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) (Orbital) Diversions 2???
Date: 14 Jul 1997 15:01:10 -0500


Ok, I'm in Central Minnesota, US. It is nearly impossible for me to get the
music that I want without having to order it. But what I would like to know
is if there is a Diversions 2? I could of sworn that I heard of one, with
extra versions of Lush (1000-3 thru a google :) i need to know because the
local music stores say that they cannot find out...
Thanx -Faust



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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) new genre needed
Date: 14 Jul 1997 11:31:55 PDT


I know you guys are gonna' bitch at me for saying this and say stuff
 like "it doesn't matter what music is labeled as, it's what it sounds
 like that matters and bla bla bla" and all that good stuff. Don't worry
 I totally agree when you get right down to it who gives a shit what
 genre a certain band is labeled as. If you like them it shouldn't
 matter. I think society (aka MTV) needs to come up with a new genre of
 music. The label "TECHNO" is much too wide a category. Techno IS pretty
 much the basic BOOM BOOM repetitive pattern with electronic sort of
 noises. mainstream america for the most part didn't take it in too well
 and thought of it as rather annoying which is sort of aggrivating
 because people don't realize that there's more too this genre. Most
 people that I know that didn't like your basic techno still loved
 ORBITAL and FSOL when i introduced them to this new kind of music. I
 really do think they need a new category for groups like orbital and
 fsol and the like.. not for the reason of conformity, but so you can
 SEPERATE these bands from this stereotypical view of "techno".. they
 DESERVE to be distinguished from this. It's kind of ridiculous how so
 many people are unfortunate enough to have never discoverd the beauty
of
 orbital because people got lazy and decided to shove any electronically
 engineered music into the same category which is ridiculous.. you don't
 see people shoving all guitar based music into one category do you?
No..
 so why should they do that with electronic music? I love the feeling i
 get when i help a friend discover that there's a huge world of emotion
 hidden behind this obstructing wall of boom boom noises called techno.
 it's just so cool when i watch a friend complain and bitch about when i
 put in a cd by a group they haven't heard of like fsol or orbital and
 hear them yelling "man don't put that shit in you moron? Orbital?
that's
 techno man i hate techno get that cd out of here" and then i put it in
 anyways and they're like... "whoa". THIS is why america needs to define
 a new genre of music: like i said before labels are useless and
 degrading but if you think about it they are a neccesity when people
 first start exploring new music

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From: Chris Basford <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Satan Live Video?
Date: 14 Jul 1997 18:45:27 +0100


In message , Shaun Rader <[e-mail]> writes :

>And has anyone in the US seen the Satan video?  How come it has never been
>shown on Amp?  Was it shown over there in the UK?

Funnily enough, that's because there was never one made. TOTP showed the
(stunning) "Later With Jools Holland....." performance but an official
video (i.e not BBC Copyright) was never made.



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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Message Bounce: Re: (orbital) NATAS NATAS NATAS? and Satan Live Video?
Date: 14 Jul 1997 15:32:06 -0500 (CDT)


->> On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, Shaun Rader wrote:
->> ->And has anyone in the US seen the Satan video?  How come it has never been
->> ->shown on Amp?  Was it shown over there in the UK?
->>
No, I haven't seen it. Where did you see it?

->> ->
->> ->
->> ->Shaun
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->>


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Satan Satan Satan $6.66 each (read upside down)
Date: 14 Jul 1997 16:23:50 +0000 (CENTRAL)



Aimee wrote:
> Hi!
> Can anyone in the states tell me how much (approximatley) the Satan Live
> CD's cost?  I actually found them (one copy of each) in a record store
> here, but it was $16.97 for EACH CD, and that just seemed totally
> overpriced...
>

Mr Disco wrote:
> That's way to much even for import CDs.  Try some of the CD shops on
> the web.  Personally, I got the double vinyl instead which has all the
> released live tracks PLUS Choice, without audience noise, for the
> price of a single CD ($13.99).  Good luck finding it, though.
>
> Mr disco
> ------------------------------

Someone else wrote:
>
> CDNow has each of the Satan Live singles for $12.25, although I'm not
> sure how much shipping is, but if I remember correctly, it was very
> small (couple of bucks at the most)

Javier writes:
Get all three Satan live CDs from Newbury Comics online

www.newbury.com

each for $9.99 thogh they're not imported (i don't think at least)
Shipping will cost $4 whether you order 1 CD or 100 CDs.  At least that's
always been the deal.  Hope this helps.  Check 'em out.


I myself have not bought them yet (low on funds).  Could anybody say
something about these CDs?  Like, why would los hermanos Hartnoll make
three CDs with the same song live?  Are they radically different?  Or is
it just worth having all three CDs for the other tunes (which probably
answers this question)?  Is the sound quality good?  Why is it called
Satan?  Sorry if this has been asked already.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) headlight glasses+ an orbital switch
Date: 14 Jul 1997 16:27:32 -0500 (CDT)


On 07/14/97 12:47:03 you wrote:
>
>
>
>the weird "glasses" that Orbital wear when their playing live can be boug
>ht
>from the U.K. R.S. catalogue, there only about seven pounds and take four
>
>AAA size batteries, so if any of you out there see some idiot dancing
>around wearing a pair at the phoenix festival this weekend, chances are i
>t
>could be me !!
>
>jimbo
>
>

Me and and friend got to talk  to  Orbital's soundguy and live mixer, Micky Mann, when they played
NY four yrs ago(or was it boston ??? regardless it was ages ago) Aparanently they buy their
glasses at some science store at a little science store in NY. A friend of mine knew where
iit was so we both got a pair the next time we were in the city. Right now I can't
remeber the name of it though. I've still got mine but one of hte headlights burned out :(.

A thing of interest when I saw them in Boston on the same tour one of the Hartnoll brothers
wasn't on stage and in place of him was Micky. I think they thought noone would notice
because they were replacing bald guys but Micky is a really big guy and it was hard not to notice.

Anyone else notice the switching of Hartnoll's for him at other shows ???


ROB




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Satan Satan Satan
Date: 14 Jul 1997 16:28:54 +0000 (CENTRAL)



One other thing.  Newbury also has Orbital T-shirts for $12.99.  FYI

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From: Hans Lo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) LOW prices
Date: 14 Jul 1997 16:58:25 -0400


Gregory Drew wrote:

>         This is a just a comment with regards to the cd prices we've
> been
> talking about.  The original question was asked by Aimee (who lives in
>
> Canada) and the price she listed was in Canadian dollars.  It WAS
> expensive but I don't think any other alternatives (such as buying
> from
> the states) were any cheaper (with the exception of looking around
> further locally that is).  I've ordered away and including exchange
> rate and postage you end up with having saved, if anything, very
> little.
> On top of it you had to wait at least a couple of weeks before you get
>
> anything.

    She should be able to do better. Should at least be able to find
them for $11. Many smaller record shops might have a few Satan Lives
kicking around for under $10. I've only ever ordered CDs that I have
never seen in my Country. For example, I bought the US In-Sides for
Halcyon Live since the Canadian print doesn't have it.

>         But while we're on the subject, what does a regularly priced
> cd
> and/or single go for in other countries such as the states or the UK?
> I'm
> curious to know since I think I've been told that cds in England at
> least
> are not cheaper once exchange rate has been considered (with the
> Canadian
> dollar that is).  Anyhoo...

New UK albums are a lot more expensive than newly released North
American albums. I'd say the prices of UK albums are a little less than
twice a North American equivilent. Of course UK and North American
versions of the same album may be different. eg: Richard D. James North
American version includes the Girl/Boy EP, while the UK version
doesn't... or the US In-Sides (with Saint CD) includes Halcyon Live
while the UK version doesn't. New singles seem to be plenty cheap since
I got each of the Satan Live singles for 1.99 pounds. Most singles and
EPs end up to be a few dollars cheaper than the North American
import/equivilent.

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From: jeff fanno <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: Satan Live
Date: 14 Jul 1997 15:02:08 -0700


>>I myself have not bought them yet (low on funds).  Could anybody say
>>something about these CDs?  Like, why would los hermanos Hartnoll make
>>three CDs with the same song live?  Are they radically different?
  Here's my $.02 on the Satan singles for CD:  The first one contains Satan
Live -this version is great alone, but the B-side is Out There Somewhere
Live which is out of this world and a must for any Orbital fan.   The
second Satan single has a better live version, IMHO, it has more bells and
whistles and some acidic layering on top. In addition to this one is Lush-3
which leads into The Girl With The Sun In Her Head, all recorded live in
Boston and all very good indeed.  The last Satan single on CD contains a
Satan edit, similar to what is on the re-release of In Sides with the
Saint, Sinner, Halcyon Live and the live Satan from the first CD single.
The last single has live versions of Chime which perfectly blends into
Impact (the earth is burning), probably the best single of the bunch for
those two songs alone.  Incidentally if you own all three CD singles and
stack them, the number "666" appears on the side part of the case.  If that
wasn't enough to confuse you, there is a double vinyl pack out there, I've
got it, that has one Satan version, all of the B-sides listed, but two
important caveats: no crowd noise (DJ friendly) and the inclusion of Choice
directly after OTS.

Or is it just worth having all three CDs for the other tunes (which probably
>>answers this question)?  Yes!

 Is the sound quality good? Extremely good.
  Why is it called Satan?  Because that's the name of the song and if you
saw it live, you'd admit it was one of the highlights.
 Sorry if this has been asked already.
>>
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Subject: Re: (orbital) EMPIRION:: Advanced Technology::
Date: 14 Jul 1997 17:14:00 -0500 (CDT)


On 07/14/97 10:19:42 you wrote:
>
>
>Hi ((again!))
>
>I picked up Empirion's Advanced Technology a while ago, I thought it was
>really great.
>..but what really floated my boat was that on the inside, it says
>"empirion::inspirations::" and one of the groups was Orbital. pretty
>cool, i guess.
>just thought id share this with the world :o)
>
>skaboom!
>

The empirion disc is one of my favs this year :). Amazing techno stuff with some
industrial overtones. Also they've got some cool singles out with mixes by Front 242
and Meat Beat Manifesto.

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From: "Nick King" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Satan Live Video?
Date: 14 Jul 1997 23:44:05 +0100


----

>
>In message , Shaun Rader <[e-mail]> writes :
>
>>And has anyone in the US seen the Satan video?  How come it has never
been
>>shown on Amp?  Was it shown over there in the UK?
>
>Funnily enough, that's because there was never one made. TOTP showed the
>(stunning) "Later With Jools Holland....." performance but an official
>video (i.e not BBC Copyright) was never made.
>

If I'm not mistaken, Orbital did make one, but it was banned for being too
'satanic'! Essentially, clips of the video that they did do was shown on
video screens within the "Later..." program.

Correct me, if I'm wrong ......


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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) New site ?
Date: 15 Jul 1997 02:05:47 +0200



http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/ptrl/orbital/orbital.html
seems to be a rather new Orbital site.
At least I've never seen it before.

Very well designet, although some links are broken.
Check it out.

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From: kytiara majere <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) sound clips
Date: 13 Jul 1997 21:09:42 -0400


    Hi all...  My name's kyt, and i just recently joined this list.  I had a
question that maybe some of you could help me with.  I would like to find
some orbital sound clips/bites that are playable on my windows machine, a
486/33 with 8 mgs of RAM.  Now, i obviously can't play MP3's, and i'd
rather have a direct replica of the song(s), rather than a .MOD file or an
.IT.  I know for certain i can play RealAudio-compatible files, and .WAV
files, although large, are okay if they are of good quality.  If anyone
knows of any sites, or anywhere i can ftp to, i would appreciate it *mucho*!

thanks a bunch
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From: Ernesto Perez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) remix for YMO
Date: 14 Jul 1997 19:15:33 +0000


fyi: the hi-tech/no-crime compilation was the first release for the
MOONSHINE label here in the states. it was also one of the FON projects
that were recored at FON studios (808 state) along with it's predecessor
THE ART OF NOISE:FON MIXES.

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From: "John K. Coffey II" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 19:32:50 -0600
Date: 14 Jul 1997 19:30:42 -0600


> No it isn't a typo.  Orbital is spliting the tour with prodigy and one

> other band, I belief.  Meaning that Orbital is going to play in the
first

> 3rd or so many concerts, but not all of them.  I am hoping to attend the

> show in denver, and I will see prodigy, which is fine with me.

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> _/    _/_/   _/_/   _/_/  _/_/    I'm a man who's sick, but i got class,

> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/   _/_/     _/   'coz you only get respect when your
kickin'

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From: cl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) (Photek) Discography?
Date: 14 Jul 1997 21:45:39 -0500


Faust wrote:
>
> I realize that this is a bit off the subject, but does anyone know if
> Photek (Or the Chameleon or whomever.) has had any US realeses other than
> NI TEN ICHI RYU and the Hidden Camera?? I finally got them, and I paid $20
> for the six songs. I am currently looking for more CD's and maybe some
> vinyl...
sorry for continuing the nonorbital but if you like orbital and dont
mind really good drum and bass you should check out photek.  very spare
sounding but elegant and sophisticated for dnb.
the only photek cds are ni ten and hidden camera, they are being
rereleased together pretty soon, along with an album in the fall.  there
are a bunch of 12's under the name photek and studio pressure (among
others).  there is a discography that is currently being repaired i am
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From: cl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) new genre needed
Date: 14 Jul 1997 21:52:18 -0500


Brian Lorraine wrote:
>
> I know you guys are gonna' bitch at me for saying this and say stuff
>  like "it doesn't matter what music is labeled as, it's what it sounds
>  like that matters and bla bla bla" and all that good stuff. Don't worry
>  I totally agree when you get right down to it who gives a shit what
>  genre a certain band is labeled as. If you like them it shouldn't
>  matter. I think society (aka MTV) needs to come up with a new genre of
>  music. The label "TECHNO" is much too wide a category. Techno IS pretty
where did you get the idea that there werent already genres? electronic
music has already been subdivided (for better or worse depending on who
you talk to) email me for a list of 20 or 30 genres.  its nice for
description, but difficult to ascertain which is which.



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From: [e-mail] (Violette)
Subject: Re: (orbital) EMPIRION:: Advanced Technology::
Date: 15 Jul 1997 03:27:26 GMT



>Hi ((again!))
>
>I picked up Empirion's Advanced Technology a while ago, I thought it was=
=20
>really great.=20
>..but what really floated my boat was that on the inside, it says=20
>"empirion::inspirations::" and one of the groups was Orbital. pretty=20
>cool, i guess.
>just thought id share this with the world :o)
>
>skaboom!

hmm I think the Narcotic Influence track was cool :-)
Btw, has anyone here heard of FAITHLESS or Crystal Method?? I wonder
if any of their albums are in stores .....?



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From: [e-mail] (Donna K Evans)
Subject: (orbital) CD prices
Date: 14 Jul 1997 22:41:36 -0500


>But while we're on the subject, what does a regularly priced cd
>and/or single go for in other countries such as the states or the UK?
I'm
>curious to know since I think I've been told that cds in England at
least
>are not cheaper once exchange rate has been considered (with the
Canadian
>dollar that is).  Anyhoo...

i live in the u.s., and most of the time, cd's cost around $12-$15 at the
stores i go to. as for england, i'll say this: i bought a certain cd here
in the states for $13.99, and when i went to england in june, i found the
same cd in a store there for about $18 or $19 (once i converted from
pounds to american dollars).

do any of you know the address for ffrr?

okay, some of you may remember toddy, he was on the list but just quit it
recently. he wanted me to ask if any of you have a vinyl copy of:
Dave Angel - 1st Voyage
that you would be willing to sell him. if you do, please email him at
<[e-mail]>.

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Subject: Re: (orbital) EMPIRION:: Advanced Technology::
Date: 14 Jul 1997 23:02:36 -0500 (CDT)



>>
>>I picked up Empirion's Advanced Technology a while ago, I thought it was
>
>>really great.
>>..but what really floated my boat was that on the inside, it says
>>"empirion::inspirations::" and one of the groups was Orbital. pretty
>>cool, i guess.
>>just thought id share this with the world :o)
>>
>>skaboom!
>
>hmm I think the Narcotic Influence track was cool :-)
>Btw, has anyone here heard of FAITHLESS or Crystal Method?? I wonder
>if any of their albums are in stores .....?
>
>


Faithless's record has been out in the states for a few months. The Crystal Method's
record isn't out yet but they have a few singles out. Their stuff(Crystal Method) is
very derivative of the Chemical Brothers but I think they take the Chem's idea's build
on them and make them better.

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From: kytiara majere <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) faithless
Date: 14 Jul 1997 00:39:52 -0400


    Yeah, i have the faithless - insomniac single.  It rules.  At first i
thought, "oh god it'll be all rap, no *real* music," but its extremely
listen-able.  i definitely recommend it...


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From: "Morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Lolla
Date: 14 Jul 1997 23:51:11 PDT


Orbit is an alternative sounding band.  They are not William Orbit or any=
 other electronic band.
cya

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>
> Hi all!
>
> Ive been on this list for a LONG time now, havent spoken much but o
> well... I have a question ....I clipped out this ad for lolla and it =

> said the bands that were going to be at lolla... my point, Orbital wasn=
t
> on there, and not on the web site, but it did say Orbit..... is it a =

> typo for Orbital or is "Orbit" ((William Orbit)) going to be there?



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: re:(orbital) re:Live Experience
Date: 15 Jul 1997 8:07:06 BST


ermm...congrats

What does this mean ?

:)

Steve LOOPZ Price

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>Its called IMPACT USA and it is found on the DIVERSIONS EP and the
IMPACT
>USA 12 inch. These were only released in the US, believe it or not. :)
>Yep...it was closer to the Impact that was performed live (around 94)
but
>i think they have moved Impact on even further...

Actually, I'm in Canada, and I just picked up the Diversions EP for ten
bucks on Saturday...

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:Average price in Bham, Uk
Date: 15 Jul 1997 8:42:49 BST


>the normal price for a full-price CD single here is 3.99. that's three=
> pounds ninety nine pence if your machine doesn't do pound signs. An
>album length CD would be about 13.99.

Slightly more expensive in my town....4.29 Pounds for a general chart
release and 14.29 for a album cd (for example...Fat of the
Lands...although i got the promo) :P

>I think those prices are basically the same as in England, and the
>values of the Irish and English pounds are close enough for me not to
>have to think about the difference.

Agreed... :)
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:Trupak Promo
Date: 15 Jul 1997 8:47:30 BST


>Overall, it's a lovely promo.  It has a very layered/integrated feel to
>it, right down to the casing for the video.  It's a pretty rare gem,
>reserved for the more nutty Orbital enthusiasts/completists.

I thought it was a good idea...but it was a typically controlled by the
Record company, hence why it was incorrect and rushed. I shouldnt
bitch...but i just feel like yourself that this was very unique and i
liked the idea....but it was buggered up by rushed work.

I believe there are about 1500 of them btw. Worth more if unopened....so
do what i did...get one opened and one closed.

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:SATAN video ?
Date: 15 Jul 1997 8:56:59 BST


>If I'm not mistaken, Orbital did make one, but it was banned for being
>too 'satanic'! Essentially, clips of the video that they did do was shown
>on video screens within the "Later..." program.

>Correct me, if I'm wrong ......

They never did get round to compiling the video. The video was gonna be
live visuals from the gig...but when they proposed the idea it was turned
down because of the violence aspect. So the video in a way was made
already (for the gigs) but just needed to be pieced together and recorded
for tv.

Steve LOOPZ Price
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:SAMPLES
Date: 15 Jul 1997 8:59:33 BST


>>>
I know for certain i can play RealAudio-compatible files, and .WAV
files, although large, are okay if they are of good quality.  If anyone
knows of any sites, or anywhere i can ftp to, i would appreciate it
>>>

There are Orbital samples on my site (Mp3, WAV). Go to ORBITAL then
SAMPLES to access the music by Orbital or go to SCHEMATIX then SAMPLES to
access the music by Schematix.
Also there is the WAV file with the Phil and Paul comment on the magazine
LOOPZ which is a laff :)

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From: "Brian A. Crawford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) re:Trupak Promo
Date: 15 Jul 1997 04:19:48 -0400 (EDT)



On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> I believe there are about 1500 of them btw. Worth more if unopened....so
> do what i did...get one opened and one closed.

    Nod that... I wanted an unopened copy of the Orb's 'Orbscure Trax'
remixes, but when I bought the CD (which came with a copy of Orblivion),
when they guy took off the plastic container thingie it was already open!
I think they wanted to stop people from making money on it as a collectors
item.

    Bri

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) sound clips
Date: 15 Jul 1997 10:45:36 +0200


>
>     Hi all...  My name's kyt, and i just recently joined this list.  I had a
> question that maybe some of you could help me with.  I would like to find
> some orbital sound clips/bites that are playable on my windows machine,
> a 486/33 with 8 mgs of RAM.  Now, i obviously can't play MP3's, and i'd
> rather have a direct replica of the song(s), rather than a .MOD file or
> an .IT.  I know for certain i can play RealAudio-compatible files, and
.WAV
> files, although large, are okay if they are of good quality.  If anyone
> knows of any sites, or anywhere i can ftp to, i would appreciate it
> *mucho*!

Ya know, there is a simple trick you can do... get the mp3, but since you
can't play it, DECODE IT TO WAV. That way you'll only have to download
"small files" (well...it its a 7 minute song, then about 6.5 mb file in CD
quality - instead of 75 mb wave file same quality). It may take some
time to decode because you have a relatively slow machine, but hey..
there's always a price to pay :) ..hmm I wonder what would of happened
if I spelled that "price" with a capital P.. :)

So, look for the l3enc*.zip package, it has the mp3 encoder and decoder,
and it works in DOS... sorry I don't know the exact URL. (Try AltaVista or
sth.)

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From: Sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital Changes
Date: 15 Jul 1997 06:53:39 EDT


> I would say that this path wasn't exactley a straight one though.
Snivilization
had a few good ideas and songs going on but as a whole it came across as kinda
disjointed.....

I think everyone misunderstood me when I said about Orbital not changing much a
few weeks back! What I mean, is that the changes have been more subtle and less
distinct, than say the Prodigy - there is a massive leap between Experience and
Jilted - or even Moby. Orbital's music has changed, but the distinct Orbital
flavour is obvious in all of their work from the first to the last. This perhaps
couldn't be said of some other dance groups.

On the subject, I agree about Snivilisation. I love that album - especially Are
We Here? and Crash and Carry (which featured in the low-budget movie Shopping,
incidentally) - but it does feel very transitional on early listening.



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From: Rui Inacio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Where's IT?
Date: 15 Jul 1997 14:15:57 -0700


Where can I get a player for IT files? I've downloaded some Orbital
songs in this format but the MOD players I use don't recognise them.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Techno Grouping
Date: 14 Jul 1997 18:03:18 -0500



re: Brian Lorraine's posting regarding the inadvertent and broad grouping of
America's so-called "techno" music

I completely agree with Brian's viewpoint... I think calling all the
electronically-based music "electronica" or "techno" as a collective title is
about as specific or dignifying as calling all guitar-based music "rock."  Just
as guitar-based music spans things like Hawaiian, Country, Pop, Metal,
Alternative, Punk, and so forth, electronic music can be anything from
drum-n-bass, breakbeat, hardcore, jungle, trance, industrial, ambient, cosmic,
etc.  People in the small town in which I live have no concept of these genres
(or sub-genres, i suppose).  They hear Republica... "that's techno!"  They hear
Orbital... "that's techno!"  They hear my Best of House Music box set...
"that's techno!"  I don't think it's fair to classify something like Moby as
being the same style as Tangerine Dream, Chemical Brotthers, Orbital, or 808
State.  While I like all of these groups, I don't believe they should all be
grouped into one genre.  I feel sorry for my friends when I say "You'd really
like this, it's Ambient, Trance-ish stuff." and they reply "What's Ambient?
What's Trance?"
        I don't listen to much Country, Bluegrass, Opera, or Death Metal or
Tejano, but at least I know what kind of music these classifications represent.
 It's a shame that much of the world remains sheltered from terminology which
nearly all of us here think of as commonplace.
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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno Grouping
Date: 15 Jul 1997 09:26:20 PDT


i do realize that there are a lot of sub categories like jungle,
ambient, trance, etc... but no one really knows about these much less
when i ask most adults about "electronic or techno" they're like "huh?".

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From: "Richie Rich" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital Videos
Date: 15 Jul 1997 18:11:42 +0100


This talk of the Satan video got me thinking. Would anybody else love to
see Orbital release a video compilation ? I have seen most of the Videos
that they have done but not all of them and then only odd bits of some.
Something along the lines of the 'Electronic Punks' Video by the Prodigy
with interview snippets and live footage would be cool.
I'd buy it straight away, but I suppose soime people would see it as too
commercial - especially after 'The Saint'.

Cheers me dears
Rich
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From:    The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) New to the list
Date: 15 Jul 1997 13:21:52 -0400 (EDT)


On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> I ordered it, but after finding out 1. it was just Halcyon on the video and
> 2. the video was not compatible on American VHS, I decided against it.

    The video is indeed compatible with American VHS. I have it and it
works just fine.

> By the way, it comes with a CD that has various tracks from each album up to
> Snivilisation (I think). I know there's no new tracks or "live" tracks on
> this CD.

    True.. It does have 'Sunday', though, wich can be hard to find in
the US.. (Not that that makes it worth $79. I paid $5.99 for the CD and
the guy gave me the video with it..(but that was just a lucky fluke)

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
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From:    The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Satan Satan Satan $6.66 each (read upside down)
Date: 15 Jul 1997 13:32:07 -0400 (EDT)


On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> I myself have not bought them yet (low on funds).  Could anybody say
> something about these CDs?  Like, why would los hermanos Hartnoll make
> three CDs with the same song live?  Are they radically different?  Or is
> it just worth having all three CDs for the other tunes (which probably
> answers this question)?  Is the sound quality good?  Why is it called
> Satan?  Sorry if this has been asked already.

    All I can say is, if you have a good turntable, get the vinyl
version. It's like $15 for the double vinyl (as an import). It has no
crowd noise, sounds awesome, and has Choice on there after Out There
Somewhere as a bonus track.

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.



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From:    The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: re:(orbital) re:Live Experience
Date: 15 Jul 1997 13:38:51 -0400 (EDT)


On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> ermm...congrats
>
> What does this mean ?

    I think she means she got it in Canada even tho it's a US only
release..

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
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From:    The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Schematix
Date: 15 Jul 1997 13:44:27 -0400 (EDT)


Just last night, I realized that my 'Sally's Photographic Memory' has a
song by Schematix on it. So i popped it in, and it's excellent. Good call,
Steve. <grin>

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
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From:    The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) EMPIRION:: Advanced Technology::
Date: 15 Jul 1997 13:37:12 -0400 (EDT)


On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, Violette wrote:

> hmm I think the Narcotic Influence track was cool :-)
> Btw, has anyone here heard of FAITHLESS or Crystal Method?? I wonder
> if any of their albums are in stores .....?

    Fatihless has an album out. I think it's self-titled. The Crystal
Method have a bunch of singles out, with 'Busy Child' (which is on the AMP
cd) being the current one. Their full album, called 'Vegas' is supposed to
comeout sometime next month.

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
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From: daFinn <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Diversions where, cheap and online?
Date: 15 Jul 1997 20:27:44 +0200


Suggestions on where I could buy Diversions anywhere online?


BTW, Headrillaz...

Ne1 heard them?
Sounds like fun, I listened to it briefly today, not so much in the orbital
vein, more in the Jilted sorta way. Gotta buy it tomorrow.





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From: [e-mail] (Sean Strout)
Subject: (orbital) are we here - philadelphia jul 12 '97
Date: 15 Jul 1997 11:57:22 PDT


Afraid of sunlight - Orbital in Philadelphia 7.12.97.

I think the lead singer from Tool is going through an identity crisis of sorts.
Up on stage, he was dressed in sexy black see-through lingerie - and what a
sight there was to see, indeed.  Breasts of the female persuasion (size D, in my
humble estimation) proudly stood out for all to gape at.  Now I know the
question you're all asking yourself - Glue-ons or reconstructive surgery?
Pamela, can you help us out here?

My particular interest in Tool had to do with the fact that they were the
last obstacle on our way to the familiar Orbital bliss that accompanied
their live show.  At least I thought so until we came face to face with
the Sony Blockbuster Entertainment Center of Camden, NJ security guards.

My girlfriend, Fifa, and I, were the not so proud owners of a pair of
lawn tickets - the low class citizens.  It shouldn't have been any surprise,
then, that when Tool ended and most people began to exit, that we attempted
to enter the coveted pavilion area.  Attempting to reason with these
single instruction androids ("Your pass must say Pavilion to enter") was
useless.  This effort was quickly upgraded to pleading and begging on
our part, to no avail.  It occured to me that these guards were cruel
and heartless individuals - not unlike those poor Rhesus monkeys who
were separated from their mothers at birth.

It became necessary to formulate a plan.  We quickly converged with the
sweaty throngs of Tool maniacs as they exited the grounds.   Two guys,
apparently were "moshed out" and had no intentions of listening to "that
fairy dance music act Orbital".  I was about to ask him about that curious
lead singer from Tool, but I didn't want to jeopardize our chances.
So it was laughter, then smiles as they gladly surrendered their pavilion
tickets to Fifa's waiting hands.

Access was granted and we entered under the open dome and headed straight
for the front.  After the front row of seats there was a closed off area
they affectionately called "the mosh pit".  Moshing to Orbital seemed
ludicrous, so I assumed it was just open to everyone.  As I tried to
enter I was reminded of the fraility of human existence when "Hercules"
pushed me back with such force as to nearly snap my collarbone and turn my
adam's apple inside out.  "Right, ummm, my mistake, sorry", as I layed
flattened on the ground.  Apparently the rules here were a bit more intense.
The guards would only let people wearing shiny green bracelets in - apparently
the soothing cool color caused serotonin uptaking into the synaptic clef in the
brain of the beast, which resulted in free passage... err...

"Crap, I left mine at home..." was all I could think as Fifa peeled me off the
ground.  Fifa was way ahead, though.  She spotted some remnant Toolsters
lingering around with the magical wrist ornament.  Again, they were more than
happy to assist us.  The coronation ceremony was spiritual.  They ripped off
their bracelets and we thanked them profusely.  We safety pinned them on and
galloped down the aisle to the newly dubbed "rave pit".  The bracelets did
their vodoo on Neandrathal man, and we were finally in!

We got right up to the stage so I could perform some rudimentary gear spotting
before the show.  After a few drools and ahhh's, the geeko inner child was
satisfied so we backed up a bit and danced along with the freak show.  Not too
long later, P&P emerged from the smoke, garbed in black shirt, black shorts,
black socks and black shoes (Men In Black parody? hey you forgot the shades
guys!  Oh right, you've got much cooler ones, maybe Ray Ban will license them?)
Paul scanned the crowd with his Terminator red laser beam while Phil did the
welcome.  Formalities out of the way, the opening chords to Sunday wafted
out over the Philly crowd and the dance macarbe began.

Down on the floor the heat was searing.  Cones and rods behind sweat stained
eyes greedily swallowed the video barrage.  The auditory assault fueled the
rush of adrenaline as the body was forced into overdrive.  Agony married
ecstasy at the altar of Satan, a cataclysmic rollercoaster ride through
swirling realities that was infinitely multiplied by P&P's shamanic ritual.
Bodies writhed on the floor to electric rhythms that shocked the soul while
hands reached madly to the sky for a slice of heaven - pierced by the strobe
of lights flashing overhead.  We were consumed by the fire and driven to the
center of it's bluish white flame, only to be cast back into the nothingness of
the night from which we came - a concentrated dose of Orbital to remind us of
who we are.

I didn't have a voice left to talk to Paul who had lingered behind after the
set.  I wanted to ask him about the Satan/Metallica track, the new album w/
The Visit and any other scoops.  Fifa vied with the other screaming freaks and
got Paul's attention.  She thanked him for the show to which he kindly replied,
"Well thank you very much for coming, and have a good night".  A class act,
indeed.  Super mate!!

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From: [e-mail] (Ben Reed)
Subject: Re: (orbital) Where's IT?
Date: 15 Jul 1997 20:48:23 GMT


On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:15:57 -0700, you wrote:

>Where can I get a player for IT files? I've downloaded some Orbital
>songs in this format but the MOD players I use don't recognise them.

You can get MikIT, an excellent player for Windows 95/NT at
http://www.stack.nl/~mikmak,

or the actual Impulse Tracker (that creates .IT modules) at
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) what in the hell happened?!? (off topic)
Date: 15 Jul 1997 16:57:37 -0400 (EDT)


Ok...this totally blows my mind....There are 3 cds that I've been hunting
high and low for (Dirty Epic/Cowgirl by Underworld, One for the Money by
Sheep on Drugs, and The Great Milenko by Insane Clown Posse if anyone cares),
and lo and behold, I find all 3 of them while visiting a friend in lowly
Bowling Green Ohio.  The only other time I've ever even seen one of these was
in Chicago, and I didn't have the money at the time....oh well.
 Incidentally, all 3 of them are great, although I don't know how many of you
would like ICP or Sheep on Drugs.  BTW, the friend I visited has "Reinventing
the 80's--a trance tribute to the 80's"  it's nothing really groundbreaking,
but it's a lot of fun to listen to, especially if you love seeing all of that
80's cheez blasted into unrecognizablility.

--Matt


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From: Beej <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital Changes
Date: 15 Jul 1997 17:23:50 -0400 (EDT)


>
> I would say that this path wasn't exactley a straight one though. Snivilization
> had a few good ideas and songs going on but as a whole it came across as kinda
> disjointed.....but then again alot of transitions are like that. I think that they've
> really suceeded with insides in trying to balance dance with complex structures.....
> can't wait to see where they go next :)

Disjointed?

Blah blah blah. Snivilisation was an incredible album, blowing all of
their earlier material away and laying the groundwork for In Sides.
Without the Snivilisation influence In Sides would be yet another dance
album without the level of intelligence that sets it apart from all the
other stuff out there. If you were to isolate the aspect of In Sides that
makes it unique, then amplify it tenfold, you'd have Snivilisation. If
that means that some transitions between songs actually grab your
attention, then I say so be it.

I don't want this post to come across as a flame of any sort, I just
don't want the newbie orbital fans out there to get a false impression of
the Sniv. album. Give it a few listens and it's mamzing, thought provoking
stuff...


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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: re:(orbital) re:Live Experience
Date: 15 Jul 1997 15:49:23 -0600 (MDT)


>> ermm...congrats
>>
>> What does this mean ?
>
> I think she means she got it in Canada even tho it's a US only release..

Diversions is not a US-only release, it's a North America-only release.
Canada got its own issue.

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From: ebbhead <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) More Info. On Spawn Satan Remixes
Date: 15 Jul 1997 21:58:31 -0400


I know Steve spoke about this earlier, but I just found some more info.
about it here:
http://mtv.com/news/headlines/970715/story5.html

Orbital, Hammett Spawn Opening Credits

July 14 [12:00 EDT] -- Orbital's collaboration with Metallica's Kirk
Hammett will be the track played over the opening credits of the movie
Spawn, reports Britain's New Musical Express.

Hammett and the band have been re-working their song "Satan" for the Spawn
soundtrack, which features a number of odd combos like Goldie and Henry
Rollins, Marilyn Manson and the Sneaker Pimps, and the Prodigy and Rage
Against the Machine. An Orbital spokesperson told the magazine, "It's very
different to the original 'Satan'. There's much bigger drums and real heavy
metal guitar, without the solos being too Deep Purple."

On the opposite end of the scale, Orbital has also been signed as a
contributor to another film, "Event Horizon," this time paired with a
symphony orchestra. The movie, a multi-million dollar sci-fi horror film
directed by Mortal Kombat Director Paul Anderson and starring Sam Neill,
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) pre-orbital
Date: 15 Jul 1997 23:36:32 -0400 (EDT)


does anyone know what paul and phil were up to before orbital?  what is their
previous musical experience?

scott




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) diversions
Date: 15 Jul 1997 23:52:54 -0400 (EDT)



of all the orbital cd's i have [green, brown, diversions, time flies, satan
live, insides [american double (yes!)] and sniv, ] i'd have to say it's
snivilization that i like the least.

to me, although the earlier work does have the more standard 'techno' feel,
the most aurally pleasing and complex work has got to be 'diversions'.  the
album reads like a symphony, it is one piece subdivided into smaller parts.
 all the 'songs' work well with each other, an interplay with unity.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Diversions ONLINE?
Date: 16 Jul 1997 00:55:29 -0400 (EDT)


Dear daFinn,
For all your online CD shopping needs:

1. www.isotank.com
2. www.ab-cd.com
3. www.xmission.com/~ear/catalog.html
4. www.cdnow.com
5. www.cduniverse.com

(These are in order of quality. #1 is the best, you dummies!)
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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Orbital Videos
Date: 15 Jul 1997 22:16:17 -0700


On Tuesday, July 15, 1997 10:12 AM, Richie Rich [SMTP:[e-mail]]
wrote:
>
> This talk of the Satan video got me thinking. Would anybody else love to
> see Orbital release a video compilation ? I have seen most of the Videos

Let's put it this way.  If they came out with a comp like that with live clips
(or maybe just a complete live concert) on Laser Disc or DVD, I'd buy a Laser
Disc or DVD player just because of it!

Can you imagine?  CD Quality mastering of a complete concert, complete with
visuals of the event?  Heaven.

Shaun
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From: daFinn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(orbital) More Info. On Spawn Satan Remixes
Date: 16 Jul 1997 09:10:41 +0200


 > I know Steve spoke about this earlier, but I just found some more info.
> about it here:
> http://mtv.com/news/headlines/970715/story5.html

Well, it will probably be different ;-)




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: re:(orbital) re:Live Experience
Date: 16 Jul 1997 8:47:47 BST


Oh right....on import ?

Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine.

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Sent by:The Box <[e-mail]>
 On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> ermm...congrats
>
> What does this mean ?

    I think she means she got it in Canada even tho it's a US only
release..

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supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) diversions
Date: 16 Jul 1997 04:18:54 -0500 (CDT)


On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

->of all the orbital cd's i have [green, brown, diversions, time flies, satan
->live, insides [american double (yes!)] and sniv, ] i'd have to say it's
->snivilization that i like the least.
->
->to me, although the earlier work does have the more standard 'techno' feel,
->the most aurally pleasing and complex work has got to be 'diversions'.  the
->album reads like a symphony, it is one piece subdivided into smaller parts.
-> all the 'songs' work well with each other, an interplay with unity.
->

That is very interesting. I too think that Diversions is among the best
Orbital works, but I think Snivilisation is too! I have all the albums,
both bonus CDs from In Sides, and Diversions, but I would have to say that
my least favorite is Untitled 1! That isn't to say that it is bad, it's
just the worst of the best. ;)

                            Reality

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From: Rui Inacio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) The Magnificent... bunch
Date: 16 Jul 1997 10:17:56 -0700


Many thanks to all those who bothered to answer my post regarding an IT
player. You really are a helpful bunch.
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From: Sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital Changes
Date: 16 Jul 1997 07:18:01 EDT


> I don't want this post to come across as a flame of any sort, I just
don't want the newbie orbital fans out there to get a false impression of
the Sniv. album. Give it a few listens and it's mamzing, thought provoking
stuff...

No-ones arguing that it's not an amazing album; Crash and Carry, Science
Friction, Are We Here? - all classics that stand out from the usual bunch of
dance songs. As someone lese said, it's just the worst of the best, which still
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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) pre-orbital
Date: 16 Jul 1997 14:37:01


>>does anyone know what paul and phil were up to before orbital?  what is their
previous musical experience?<<

one of them was working as a dishwasher in a restaurant. When Chime became a
hit he went to his boss and said "I won't be in Tuesday, because I'm going to
be on Top of the Pops. In fact... I'm not going to be in again ever". The boss
took it very well, and told him that if the pop career didn't work out he could
always have his job back.

I imagine that anecdote has been on the list a million times.

ian


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From: [e-mail] (Sean Strout)
Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital Changes
Date: 16 Jul 1997 07:27:37 PDT


>>  I would say that this path wasn't exactley a straight one though.
>> Snivilization had a few good ideas and songs going on but as a whole it came
>> across as kinda disjointed.....
>
> Blah blah blah. Snivilisation was an incredible album, blowing all of
> their earlier material away and laying the groundwork for In Sides...

I agree that Snivilisation is an incredible piece of quality work that
took a bold departure from 2 and set the future direction.  It was
strange that on Orbital's latest tour that they excluded all material
from Snivilisation, including the jungly dance sensation Are We Here?

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From: -Niall C Christie- <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Stuff to do with Orbital
Date: 16 Jul 1997 15:50:24 +0100 (BST)


I've got a few requests.

1. Was it ever found out where the "I'll remember if it's the last thing I
do" sample from Out There Somewhere? was from. Yeah, I know all about the
"What's wrong?" ones but I'm especially interested in this one.

2. I am desperate to get a hold of the American (I think) version of the
Green album, that is, the one with Satan, Choice and the Moby Remix etc. I
just can't seem to find it anywhere. Does anyone have access to this that
they'd be willing to sell (I'll pay full album price and postage).

3. And on a similiar vein, does anyone have or have access to any pre-94
Orbital stuff (excluding albums). I've a bit but would love to have some
more. Just email me, not the list, I'd hate to get blamed for more
congestion. Oh, and any bootlegs too.

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----------Think of all the things we don't know we're missing-------------
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:Story/Rumour/Lies
Date: 16 Jul 1997 16:14:20 BST



> > I know Steve spoke about this earlier, but I just found some more
> > info. about it here:
>> http://mtv.com/news/headlines/970715/story5.html

>Well, it will probably be different ;-)

Ill have a read of it...I noticed NME have just been given the story as
well. I write exactly what im told...whether its correct at the end is
another matter...i know u are joking though (arent u) <grin>

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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Techno! Techno! Techno!
Date: 16 Jul 1997 16:33:35


hello!

>>re: Brian Lorraine's posting regarding the inadvertent and broad grouping of
America's so-called "techno" music

I completely agree with Brian's viewpoint... I think calling all the
electronically-based music "electronica" or "techno" as a collective title is
about as specific or dignifying as calling all guitar-based music "rock."  Just
as guitar-based music spans things like Hawaiian, Country, Pop, Metal,
Alternative, Punk, and so forth, electronic music can be anything from
drum-n-bass, breakbeat, hardcore, jungle, trance, industrial, ambient, cosmic,
etc.  People in the small town in which I live have no concept of these genres
(or sub-genres, i suppose).  They hear Republica... "that's techno!"  They hear
Orbital... "that's techno!"  They hear my Best of House Music box set...
"that's techno!"  I don't think it's fair to classify something like Moby as
being the same style as Tangerine Dream, Chemical Brotthers, Orbital, or 808
State.  While I like all of these groups, I don't believe they should all be
grouped into one genre.  I feel sorry for my friends when I say "You'd really
like this, it's Ambient, Trance-ish stuff." and they reply "What's Ambient?
What's Trance?"<<

it is odd the way Techno has become the american catch-all term for dance
music, when it is itself very much a subgenre. I don't think trying to come up
with a new name for music by Orbital and similar types is going to win over
people who say "I hate all that Techno shit". Let's face it, they are the kind
of neanderthals who went around with "disco sucks" badges twenty years ago.
They will hate anything that is not what they consider "proper music played on
proper instruments". If Orbital were known to play Futurist music (say), they'd
hate that too.

I kind of think that this attempt over in the USA and Canada to market dance
music as electronica is an attempt to pander to the kind of people who like
"real music played on real instruments". IT makes it sound more musiciany and
less like the kind of thing that teenage kids can knock together in their
bedroom.

Actually Techno is a great name... for Techno. It summons up images of music
that is hard, machine driven, and modernist. If it's going to alienate people
then that's their tough luck. It is a bit odd when it becomes the term under
which all dance music is marketed, even for genres that just aren't anything
like it.

>>        I don't listen to much Country, Bluegrass, Opera, or Death Metal or
Tejano, but at least I know what kind of music these classifications represent.
 It's a shame that much of the world remains sheltered from terminology which
nearly all of us here think of as commonplace.<<

With the exception of Death Metal, all those genres are fairly old, so people
have had time to develop an awareness of them. And metal has been around since
the dawn of time, so people can easily infer what Death Metal is.

thus say I

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:Latest NEWS
Date: 16 Jul 1997 16:52:27 BST



I will update the LOOPZ Site with more concrete news in the next week.
But here is the brief bits that are so far unconfirmed (u can read this on
MTV in a months time) ;P

22nd August sees the release of "Event Horizon" (the film) which features
the 4 block track composed by Orbital and that infamous Brazil composer
(which Loopz has just forgot his name) :)

This track will be released on a compilation album under the Polygram
Classics lable on August 15th (although at time of writing - certain
people are struggling to reach the deadline).

Satan (live) is now gonna be released in US (no confirmation and no dates
as yet). Tracks are rumoured to be Satan (live), Satan (Orbital vs
Metallica) and The Girl With The Sun in Her Head (live at Tribal).

Look out for samples of the Event Horizon track (as soon as i get my tape
- JONES!) on the Loopz site.

Pffttt....what do i know ;)

STeve LOOPZ Price
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Subject: (orbital) info orbital
Date: 16 Jul 1997 16:56:00 BST





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Date: 16 Jul 1997 17:52:00 BST



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Date: 16 Jul 1997 17:53:00 BST



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From: cl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Diversions ONLINE?
Date: 16 Jul 1997 12:05:59 -0500


[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Dear daFinn,
> For all your online CD shopping needs:
>
> 1. www.isotank.com
> 2. www.ab-cd.com
> 3. www.xmission.com/~ear/catalog.html
> 4. www.cdnow.com
> 5. www.cduniverse.com

i have used all of these and modern music is better.  there
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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Content-Type: text/plain
Date: 16 Jul 1997 11:12:24 PDT


Hey guys!
Um, does anyone know of Orbital material that we can't get, or is hard
to get here in Canada and the US but you can get in England??  I'm
asking because my dad will be in England either this weekend or next
weekend, and he promised to pick up whatever I want.  If you could get
back to me soon that would be appreciated... Oh yeah, if you can, tell
me roughly how much it will cost...

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From: [e-mail] (Josh Benton)
Subject: RE: (orbital) Techno! Techno! Techno!
Date: 16 Jul 1997 15:10:04 -0500


In response to Ian Moore's posting regarding all electronic music being
called "Techno":

I read this and had to voice my part in the battle against the stigma of
"Techno."

I am a self-proclaimed intelligent person and avid music listener.  I
have cd's from every music genre including jazz, rock, classical,
bluegrass, and even a little bit of country (very little).  However, I
have only recently begun dipping my toe in the pool of electronic music.
 Why?  I had a prejudged notion that all "Techno" was bass drums and
idiotic noises.  Little did I know that I had only heard very poor
electronic music.

About four years ago, a friend had me trapped in the car and made me
listen to Orbital's Brown album.  I was mesmerized.  Having dismissed
all of "Electronica" to this friend's face,  I was completely at a loss
for words.  Converted, I soon found out that much of electronic music is
very intelligent, melody-based musicianship.

Recently, I made a tape (as I have been known to do) for a good friend
who is always asking me for suggestions of new music.  I called her to
tell her that I was sending her a tape, and stated that it was one of
the finest I had made to date.  But, when I mentioned it contained a few
"Techno" tracks, she chided me for listening to "rave music."  I tried
to explain that, while most all of electronic music is dance-able, not
all "Techno" is mindless.

When trying to get friends to listen to electronic music, I run into the
same "Techno" stigma over and over again.  But, every back has a front,
and I feel that the "Techno" stigma has so far guarded electronic music
from some of the exploitation and commercialization of more popular
genres.

Thanks for reading.
Josh =)

>hello!
>
>>>re: Brian Lorraine's posting regarding the inadvertent and
>broad grouping of
>America's so-called "techno" music
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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Stuff to do with Orbital
Date: 16 Jul 1997 21:00:03 +0100


"-Niall C Christie-" writes
>
>I've got a few requests.
>
>1. Was it ever found out where the "I'll remember if it's the last thing I
>do" sample from Out There Somewhere? was from. Yeah, I know all about the
>"What's wrong?" ones but I'm especially interested in this one.
>

Well, I think the two camps (THX and Star Wars) finally made peace and
went on to argue about candyflipping (Looooong story - don't ask).

"I'll remember if it's the last thing I do" sample was *believed* to be
Jackie Onassis talking about JFK's death. The sample cut off what she
said *before* i.e "....It is something > I'll remember if it's the...."

Is this concrete? Who knows. I prefer to argue about the origin of the
"Input output" sample...but that's another story.
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From:    The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital Changes
Date: 16 Jul 1997 16:55:31 -0400 (EDT)


On 16 Jul 1997, Sawyer wrote:

> No-ones arguing that it's not an amazing album; Crash and Carry, Science
> Friction, Are We Here? - all classics that stand out from the usual bunch of
> dance songs. As someone lese said, it's just the worst of the best, which still
> makes it great!

    Worst of the best? Nah, It's the first one I bought (as it was
their newest at the time) and I'm still here, 17-odd Orbital CD's later.
It's an amazing album, just harder to get into maybe. You can't leave out
'Forever' and 'Attached' from the list.. I remember a thread on here a
while back where it was put forth that Forever is the definition of a
'complete' song; ie that any changes would not possibly improve upon it.
Not that it's necessarily their best, but when you listen, it just sounds
whole, and complete, like there's nothing missing. Doesn't leave you
thinking "Well, if they'd only.....". Rant mode off.

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.



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From:    The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: re:(orbital) re:Live Experience
Date: 16 Jul 1997 16:48:32 -0400 (EDT)


On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, Lazlo Nibble wrote:

> > I think she means she got it in Canada even tho it's a US only release..
>
> Diversions is not a US-only release, it's a North America-only release.
> Canada got its own issue.

    Sorry. What I meant is that it wasn't released in the UK. (At
least not in that form.) It's most of the peel sessions and the Lush 3
single, yadda yadda...

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
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From:    The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital Changes
Date: 16 Jul 1997 16:57:22 -0400 (EDT)


On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, Sean Strout wrote:

> I agree that Snivilisation is an incredible piece of quality work that
> took a bold departure from 2 and set the future direction.  It was
> strange that on Orbital's latest tour that they excluded all material
> from Snivilisation, including the jungly dance sensation Are We Here?

    I've seen 'em 3 times now and the only Sniv. song I've heard them
play is Forever. Not a bad choice, to be sure, but Are We Here would be
amazing..

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
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From: "Shannon @ The Image Processing Lab" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re:Afraid of sunlight - Orbital in Philadelphia 7.12.97 [Review]
Date: 16 Jul 1997 16:16:58 -0400


On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:57:22 PDT
Sean wrote
>Afraid of sunlight - Orbital in Philadelphia 7.12.97.

On the 16th, I write:
!!! 100 Cheers to Sean !!!
Hoo-ray for the most brilliant Orbital-Pooza review yet!
I lived every descriptive vision. and 'fell-out' with laughter of the
sheer adventure of it all.
Thanx for giving my Wednesday @ work a dose of rib-splitting endorphin
... i needed that!
To everyone else: Let me proclaim!
Sean has set the standard for show reviews!
May we all hold his example as a beacon for future tale telling!
As Sean so aptly finished-up, in describing P & P's show,
> "A class act, indeed. Supermate!!"

Shannon
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From: "Mr disco" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Stuff to do with Orbital
Date: 16 Jul 1997 18:32:48 EST


Hiya

> "I'll remember if it's the last thing I do" sample was *believed* to be
> Jackie Onassis talking about JFK's death. The sample cut off what she
> said *before* i.e "....It is something > I'll remember if it's the...."

Are you sure?  I don't think it sounds like Jackie at all...

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno! Techno! Techno!
Date: 16 Jul 1997 20:06:55 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-07-16 12:02:20 EDT, you write:

<< I kind of think that this attempt over in the USA and Canada to market
dance
 music as electronica is an attempt to pander to the kind of people who like
 "real music played on real instruments". IT makes it sound more musiciany
and
 less like the kind of thing that teenage kids can knock together in their
 bedroom.

 Actually Techno is a great name... for Techno. It summons up images of music

 that is hard, machine driven, and modernist. If it's going to alienate
people
 then that's their tough luck. It is a bit odd when it becomes the term under

 which all dance music is marketed, even for genres that just aren't anything

 like it. >>
I've always thought that Techno was the proper term....I mean, yes, all the
subgenres are different, but Techno is probably the best term to group them
all together, since no one who doesn't like it has any clue about trip-hop,
jungle, or trance.  I've always felt that marketers and the media hopped all
over the term "electronica" because it sounds more intelligent.  It's almost
as if they actually started listening to techno maybe a year ago, and
realized "hey, we've been totally ignoring this stuff for years, and it's
good!  we'll have to use a different term for it so people don't think we're
totally ignorant."

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) satan live...
Date: 16 Jul 1997 21:23:58 -0400 (EDT)


        OK, i'm sorry if this has already been asked, but are the live mixes
of satan different on each disc of the single, or are they the same?  I know
that each disc has different live versions of other p+p tracks.  Thanks in
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno! Techno! Techno!
Date: 16 Jul 1997 23:30:49 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-07-16 20:26:37 EDT, you write:

<< Actually Techno is a great name... for Techno. It summons up images of
music

  that is hard, machine driven, and modernist. >>



excuse me, but jazz is modern, and so is rock n' roll

techno is either post-modern, post-industrial [economic not musical] or, as i
prefer, [gilles] deleuzian.

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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno! Techno! Techno!
Date: 17 Jul 1997 00:53:58 -0500 (CDT)


On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

->
->In a message dated 97-07-16 20:26:37 EDT, you write:
->
-><< Actually Techno is a great name... for Techno. It summons up images of
->music
->
->  that is hard, machine driven, and modernist. >>
->
->excuse me, but jazz is modern, and so is rock n' roll
->techno is either post-modern, post-industrial [economic not musical] or, as i
->prefer, [gilles] deleuzian.
->

What are you talking about? There is modern jazz, rock 'n' roll, and
techno. There is also classic jazz, rock 'n' roll, and techno. This is not
to mention the precursors of each as well. You don't need to get all bent
out of shape because you think a form of music needs a different adjective
than what someone else uses. Get a life.

                            Reality

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From: RKH <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) re:
Date: 16 Jul 1997 20:52:41 GMT


> orbital help

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From: "Morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) About all this name shit.
Date: 17 Jul 1997 02:03:15 PDT


Hey,

Why are we bitching about the name techno.  Who gives a rat's ass if othe=
r people don't listen to it.  You do, and that's all that matters.  You =
guys are always complaining about how the Lollapalooza shit is not person=
al, well if Orbital get's bigger due to a genre name change, then it will=
 get more personal?  Nope, I don't think so.  And you guys also say about=
 how people were watching the show and listening to Orbital but not reall=
y understanding it.  Well, if you get Mtv youth of america listening to =
Orbital (which is what you are trying to do by changing the name of techn=
o) you wil have thousands of people listening to Orbital, but not underst=
anding it.  I like it just the way it is.  If someone wants is destined =
to listen to Orbital, they will.  I first heard them playing in a music =
store and I immediately bought the cd.  I know you all meant well, but =
really think about what you are saying, I have.

cya
Morpheus



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) My Two Bits on the Techno Thing
Date: 17 Jul 1997 09:26:44 -0400 (EDT)


Hmmm, opinionated little bunch aren't we ? : )

Honestly the classification of music is a fundamental precept of human
nature.  Basically it is hard for our brains to file something away in memory
without some label.  Think about it, your head is just one big filing cabinet
(with such a lovely hair-do), how can you file something without assigning a
label to it.

My background (taste) in music really began with metal and Death Metal (now
what a lovely category that is).   I have seen the rise and fall of Thrash,
Mosh, Grindcore etc., all this mean nothing to the unaquainted neophyte
listener.   I guess my point is (isn't it about damn time I got to a point)
that it takes a person with a free mind set to experiment with Music and not
judge it according to what label/category is tagged on it.  Yes, Orbital is
Techno just as Napalm Death or Metallica <they make me afraid of the Sandman
: )  > is Metal.  The catgorizing of music into sub-genres (trance, trip-hop)
should be seen more as an aid to people in the know (ie the good people here
on this list).  Who cares about John Q. Public ?  Do people who have closed
mindsets deserve to listen to bands that don't fit neatly into their assigned
cubby holes ????

It is common frustration for those of us in the know to have to deal with the
masses of consumers who don't know their right from their left.  Sometimes it
seems as though we feel like saying "told you so" to the people who are slow
to get on (or completely missed) the bandwagon of obviously great bands.
  But in the end, does it matter ?  As long as Orbital's music is Out There
Somewhere isn't it better that they get more exposure ?  Won't reasonable,
intelligent individuals such as ourselves find their music beyond the
"Techno" thing ?  And won't we, the dedicated minions of Orbitalism benefit
from the opportunities that  P & P can now partake ?

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From: ed naylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: Input Out Sample
Date: 17 Jul 1997 14:08:30 -0400 (EDT)




> Is this concrete? Who knows. I prefer to argue about the origin of the
> "Input output" sample...but that's another story.

Is there anything to argue about? I have frequently postulated my
own theory (i.e. that it's from an old Open University programme
about gears and pistons that I saw a coupla years back), and apart
from one private Email backing me up I haven't heard anything on
this list or elsewhere.

What, if any, are the opposing theories?

Ed (chuffed at getting Moaner by Underworld on 12 inch at
lunchtime)




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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) About all this name shit.
Date: 17 Jul 1997 08:45:41 PDT


<<Well, if you get Mtv youth of america listening to Orbital (which is
what you are trying to do by changing the name of techno) you wil have
thousands of people listening to Orbital, but not understanding it.  I
like it just the way it is.  If someone wants is destined to listen to
Orbital, they will.>>

Excuse me, I don't mean to sound rude or anything, but how do you know
that someone won't meet that destiny of listening to Orbital through it
becoming more mainstream??  Personally, it was through MuchMusic
(canadian equivalent of Mtv) that I began to listen to Orbital.  I'd
been listening to jungle and other forms of rave music for a few years
off and on, but wasn't exactly a devoted listener.  Then I was watching
Much one day and the video for The Box came on.  I loved it.  It was so
much deeper then the jungle of my past, I was amazed.  I was hooked from
the first time I heard it...  then I wanted to go to Lollapalooza just
for the sake of going.  I found out Orbital was going to be there, and I
felt that it was destiny.  I got my ticket for my birthday, along with
gift certificates for a record store.  Destiny again?  I think so.  The
very next day, I went out and got In Sides, and I haven't looked back.

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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) daft punk
Date: 17 Jul 1997 05:50:40 PDT


sorry i know this is once again off the topic but it seems you guys
really know your music:

I heard this one song on the radio station that i thought was realy cool
but didn't get a chance to catch the name of it. Then I saw the video
for it on amp last weekend and liked it even more... it was some song by
daft punk..  i forgot what it was called but it kept repeating this
computer-sounding voice that was kinda singing "the world around". can
anyone tell me what the name of this song is and what album it's on?
hehe the video was really neat as well... bunch of robot/alien looking
people dancing around in what looked like a space ship... kinda'
reminded me of sesame street for some reason.. hmm...

thanks,

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From: "Higton, Steve (IT Brk.)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) What are Orbital's future plans?
Date: 17 Jul 1997 11:39:27 +0100



Hello everyone,

Could some kind soul fill me in on what Orbital are up to at the moment?
 Have they got an LP or any singles planned for release? I kind of lost
touch with the scene late last year when I got a job (nightmare! No more
lazy student days drinking tea while lying in bed listening to
Snivilisation :-)

I know they're doing the soundtrack for a channel 4 documentary about
prison life or something but that's the limit of my knowledge really ;-)

Thanks,

Steve.

PS. If I want to get hold of the mix of Halcyon with the reversed
Belinda Carlisle sample in it do I have to buy the Japanese or American
import version of Insides?

PPS. Can anyone point me to an up to date discography?


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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) About all this name shit.
Date: 17 Jul 1997 05:06:36 PDT


>Why are we bitching about the name techno.  Who gives a rat's ass if
othe=
>r people don't listen to it.  You do, and that's all that matters.

all that matters? not neccessarily... It's nice to have other people
that feel the same way about a certain group or type of music as you do.

>y understanding it.  Well, if you get Mtv youth of america listening to
=
>Orbital (which is what you are trying to do by changing the name of
techn=
>o) you wil have thousands of people listening to Orbital, but not
underst=
>anding it.  I like it just the way it is.  If someone wants is

heh' I'm just thinking about all the people out there like us that would
fall in love with orbital, but haven't had the opportunity to find out.
I've introduced plenty of ppl to orbital and most of em think it's cool
and listen to it (not saying wether that was a waste of time or not),
but there also have been a few people who fell in love with it like i
did and went out and bought some orbital cd's and i'm sure those kind of
people would be grateful.

Not just with orbital though.. i've seen lots of friends who are less
judgemental now about music cuz they used to be "techno-haters" and
after hearing the many different subgenres think, "whoa i guess it IS
deeper than i thought before".

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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Techno! Mighty Techno!
Date: 17 Jul 1997 17:35:46


>>I've always thought that Techno was the proper term....I mean, yes, all the
subgenres are different, but Techno is probably the best term to group them
all together, since no one who doesn't like it has any clue about trip-hop,
jungle, or trance.  I've always felt that marketers and the media hopped all
over the term "electronica" because it sounds more intelligent.  It's almost
as if they actually started listening to techno maybe a year ago, and
realized "hey, we've been totally ignoring this stuff for years, and it's
good!  we'll have to use a different term for it so people don't think we're
totally ignorant."<<

Yeah, it's always easier for record companies to sell THE NEXT BIG THING!
rather than The Thing That's Been Around A Few Years But We Missed It.

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Subject: Re: (orbital) daft punk
Date: 17 Jul 1997 12:49:00 -0400


     i believe you're referring to the song "around the world". ok, it's
     off-topic, but you should get their album, "homework". it's darn good.

     i've sent about two posts and never introduced myself, actually. i've
     been with the list a month now (?) and i find it very informative.
     it's great to read everyone's input (though sometimes there's a few
     obnoxious commentators).

     on "out there somewhere", no, i don't think it's jackie either!

     and, i really never did truly like "the saint" cut. everything else
     p&p have done is brilliant, but i don't know about that one!


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Subject: (orbital) Techno Techno Techno
Date: 17 Jul 1997 17:42:03


>><< Actually Techno is a great name... for Techno. It summons up images of
music that is hard, machine driven, and modernist. >>


excuse me, but jazz is modern, and so is rock n' roll

techno is either post-modern, post-industrial [economic not musical] or, as i
prefer, [gilles] deleuzian.<<

deleuzian? great phrase. I would argue that jazz even rock have become so old
that they have become part of traditional culture. Techno represents the shock
of the new that modernist forms have when they first appear. You only have to
look at the way oldarse rock fans berate techno as not proper music to see the
reaction of traditional culture faced with its successor.

I don't think techno is postmodern. It lacks the element of pastiche, and is a
distinct style rather than a mish mash. And I would say that as music it fits
perfectly the hyperindustrialism of the late 20th century. Possibly I think of
modernism and postmodernism in different terms to you.

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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Daft Punk
Date: 17 Jul 1997 17:45:39


>>sorry i know this is once again off the topic but it seems you guys
really know your music:

I heard this one song on the radio station that i thought was realy cool
but didn't get a chance to catch the name of it. Then I saw the video
for it on amp last weekend and liked it even more... it was some song by
daft punk..  i forgot what it was called but it kept repeating this
computer-sounding voice that was kinda singing "the world around". can
anyone tell me what the name of this song is and what album it's on?
hehe the video was really neat as well... bunch of robot/alien looking
people dancing around in what looked like a space ship... kinda'
reminded me of sesame street for some reason.. hmm...<<

the song's called "Around the World", I think. I can't remember the name of
their album, it might even by called "Daft Punk". It's got "Daft Punk" written
in big red letters on the front, you can't miss it.

I know what you mean about the video reminding you of Sesame Street. High
wierdness.

Talking of vids, anyone remember the video of "Lush"... looks like it was
filmed on a camcorder at some car boot sale in greater London. Bizarro.

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From: [e-mail] (Simon Bird)
Subject: (orbital) lush vid
Date: 17 Jul 1997 12:23:38 CDT



> Talking of vids, anyone remember the video of "Lush"... looks like it was
> filmed on a camcorder at some car boot sale in greater London. Bizarro.

they showed this on AMP a few months back.
I thought it was a nice little excursion from some of the other vid pulp
around; the Blighty CarBootSale Culture captured in all its friekness.
P&P in the laundrette with the Orbital soap boxes is my fave vid to date though.

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Subject: RE: (orbital) What are Orbital's future plans?
Date: 17 Jul 1997 18:04:27 UT


The Orbital discography is at the bottom of every message posted.
http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital

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Subject: Re: (orbital) daft punk
Date: 17 Jul 1997 18:03:26 +0100


In message , Brian Lorraine <[e-mail]> writes :
>sorry i know this is once again off the topic but it seems you guys
>really know your music:
>
>I heard this one song on the radio station that i thought was realy cool
>but didn't get a chance to catch the name of it. Then I saw the video
>for it on amp last weekend and liked it even more... it was some song by
>daft punk..  i forgot what it was called but it kept repeating this
>computer-sounding voice that was kinda singing "the world around". can
>anyone tell me what the name of this song is and what album it's on?
>hehe the video was really neat as well... bunch of robot/alien looking
>people dancing around in what looked like a space ship... kinda'
>reminded me of sesame street for some reason.. hmm...

It's called "Around The World" and is on their only album, "Homework".

It's a pretty good album as well.



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From: Sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Daft Punk
Date: 17 Jul 1997 15:12:19 EDT


> Then I saw the video
for it on amp last weekend and liked it even more... it was some song by
daft punk..

Daft Punk is an awesome new dance sensation if you ask me, and they are pushing
the frontiers of dance music. The song is Around the World, and their album is
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Subject: (orbital) the saint
Date: 17 Jul 1997 15:14:00 -0400



     by the way, who did write "the saint"? i mentioned earlier i didn't
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From: Sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Headlight glasses
Date: 17 Jul 1997 15:15:01 EDT


> the weird "glasses" that Orbital wear when their playing live can be bought
from the U.K. R.S. catalogue,

I'm a dance musician and I'm pretty interested in getting my paws on a pair of
these babies - just to rip off the Orbital image and all that (sorry, guys)!
Seriously, playing live like Orbital does requires a level of finese and stage
presence - the kind of characteristics that only a pair of light glasses can
give you!

Could somebody please mail me the address of this company (on or off line) or
any other details about these Orbital artefacts?



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Subject: Re: (orbital) Headlight glasses
Date: 17 Jul 1997 14:42:55 -0500 (CDT)


On 07/17/97 15:15:01 you wrote:
>
>
>> the weird "glasses" that Orbital wear when their playing live can be bought
>from the U.K. R.S. catalogue,
>
>I'm a dance musician and I'm pretty interested in getting my paws on a pair of
>these babies - just to rip off the Orbital image and all that (sorry, guys)!
>Seriously, playing live like Orbital does requires a level of finese and stage
>presence - the kind of characteristics that only a pair of light glasses can
>give you!
>
>Could somebody please mail me the address of this company (on or off line) or
>any other details about these Orbital artefacts?
>
>
>

For a similar effect you can get these lights that strap on to your forehead kinda like the
ones miners used but battery powered. I've seen some pictures of Toby from Banco de Gaia wearing
them.

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From: Sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Techno
Date: 17 Jul 1997 16:22:33 EDT


> As long as Orbital's music is Out There
Somewhere isn't it better that they get more exposure ?  Won't reasonable,
intelligent individuals such as ourselves find their music beyond the
"Techno" thing ?

I agree - but <<real>> techno is not Orbital or Prodigy or Underworld or any
such, The American preconception is of techno as an all-embracing term, akin to
the UK '80s term "rave" - in these enlightened timesd dance music has become the
well-used term.

Real techno was harder and more industrial, from its roots in 1970s Chicago.
WQhat we're dealing with here is a more popularised, watered-down version of th
term. It doesn't matter what you call something at the end of the day, because
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Subject: (orbital) About all this name shit-discovering
Date: 17 Jul 1997 14:44:46 -0700


Pretty interesting how we all got into Orbital!

Im into a lot of punk/ska and I like orbital too. ((ANY OTHER PUNK
ROCKERS OUT THERE????!)) ummmmm I heard Orbital on the radio one day
fell in love with "The Box" ...heard a live concert, fell deeeeeply in
love and went out bought In Sides and since then the collection has been
growin!
   To be truthfull, I dont give a rats ass if its called techno or
whatever ..errr if thousands of people are listening, i dont see why its
_SUCH_ a big deal... maybee someday ill see but until then....
SKAboom everyone!

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Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno
Date: 17 Jul 1997 16:53:03 -0500


>
> Real techno was harder and more industrial, from its roots in 1970s >Chicago.
thats a joke right?

i dont see why individuals are so concerned with what others think of
when they hear the word "techno".  it they think rave music, fine, do
what you can to educate them if it really makes you upset.  if you think
its good, dont worry if your friends think you like rave music, at that
point it is they who have the problem.
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Subject: (orbital) Re: About all this name shit.
Date: 17 Jul 1997 15:47:02 -0700 (PDT)


> Well, if you get Mtv youth of america listening to
>Orbital (which is what you are trying to do by changing the name of
>techno) you wil have thousands of people listening to Orbital, but not
>understanding it.  I like it just the way it is.  If someone wants is
>destined to listen to Orbital, they will.

    What really is "understanding" it? Appreciating it? If someone
catches them on MTV, weren't they "destined" to hear them? Anyways, this
is my first post on this list, but I just wanted to say that Snivilisation
was my first album, and I got it by just one day going out and buying it
for no particular reason, other than it looked good. I'd never heard them
before, nor any "techno" besides my lone Orb album. I came to the
conclusion that its a bloody terrific album; same thing with In Sides. And
its always cool when you meet someone else who is into them. So if MTV
promotes people liking Orbital, I'm for it. Just the BAD thing is when
they start overplaying songs and videos, making them less appealing, which
they have a tendency to do.
Cy

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Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno
Date: 17 Jul 1997 19:24:35 -0500


> i dont see why individuals are so concerned with what others think of
> when they hear the word "techno".  it they think rave music, fine, do
> what you can to educate them if it really makes you upset.  if you think
> its good, dont worry if your friends think you like rave music, at that
> point it is they who have the problem.
> c


no one ever said it made them upset... I just feel bad that so many
people don't know that there's music out there than what they think.
That was the whole POINT of me bringing this topic up a week ago.. I
stated right there this WAS NOT meant to be a discussion on whether we
should all conform and label things properly. I just wanted people like
i used top be that didn't know there was so much more beautiful,
enlightening music out there to discover it.. jesus christ I'm SORRY
everyone seems to be getting so touchy over this topic! I knew i never
should have brought something up in this group that had more than a
0.00000001% chance of someone turing it into a touchy debate on labeling
music. The first post on this was merely a my wish for how more people
could become aware that there could be so much more for them if they
understood there was more than what society stereotypically defines
techno as...

All i had were the best intentions. I'm sorry i'll NEVER NEVER NEVER
bring my opinion onto this list again cuz all it ever seems to do is
spark a debate. A debate is ok but lately everyone just seems to be at
each other's throats. Sorry everyone >:/


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Subject: (orbital) all this name stuff
Date: 17 Jul 1997 12:42:04 -0400


I only
WISH i knew people that wouldn't introduced me to orbital before.
It wasn't but just over a year ago that I thought all techno was the
same.. techno was techno was techno. (man i WISH someone would've shown
me otherwise). It wasn't till about the beginning of last summer that
changed when i heard halcyon & on & on when my friend was playing his
Hacker's soundtrack. I got on the web and looked them up and was shocked
to see they were put under techno cuz the way that song sounded was a
lot different from the stereotypical view i had of techno. While i was
looking up more about them, that's when i saw that someone had described
them as an AMBIENT GROUP. AMBIENT?? I remember thinking then "What the
hell is ambient?". That was the first time i heard there were other,
sub-categories or techno so the more i listened to and looked up stuff
on orbital the more i found out about similar groups like fsol and aphex
twin and learned about other subgenres and their other bands. It's not
so much the fact that I want people to just discover orbital, but to
discover that there's MORE out there than just what MTV limits us to,
and that people might discover a certain passion in a type of music they
may find. You're right that we'll have thousands of people listening to
orbital and not understanding, but we'll also have thousands of people
listening to orbital and other somewhat similar bands and LOVING it.
Small price to pay don't ya' think >:)



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From: Ehrlich <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) About all this name shit-discovering
Date: 17 Jul 1997 19:28:13 -0400


>Pretty interesting how we all got into Orbital!
>
>Im into a lot of punk/ska and I like orbital too. ((ANY OTHER PUNK
>ROCKERS OUT THERE????!)) ummmmm I heard Orbital on the radio one day
>fell in love with "The Box" ...heard a live concert, fell deeeeeply in
>love and went out bought In Sides and since then the collection has been
>growin!
>   To be truthfull, I dont give a rats ass if its called techno or
>whatever ..errr if thousands of people are listening, i dont see why its
>_SUCH_ a big deal... maybee someday ill see but until then....
>SKAboom everyone!

Im into ska and a little bit of beastie boys if you can call it punk.
Although...i dont like the word techno.  especially with the orbital's
music.  i feel that this word is really degrading, as was the word disco in
the late seventies.  basically, orbital is unclassifiable, i call it
british electronica, for the meer fact that i dont what to call it when my
friends ask...


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From: Ehrlich <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno
Date: 17 Jul 1997 19:31:38 -0400


>>
>> Real techno was harder and more industrial, from its roots in 1970s
>>>Chicago.
>thats a joke right?
>
>i dont see why individuals are so concerned with what others think of
>when they hear the word "techno".  it they think rave music, fine, do
>what you can to educate them if it really makes you upset.  if you think
>its good, dont worry if your friends think you like rave music, at that
>point it is they who have the problem.

Most people that ive talked to have given dirty looks when i say that i
like "techno."  they automatically associate it with things like crystal
waters (whom i actually do like (shes mellow)) and real mccoy, la bouche,
so on and so forth.  and that genre of music is really looked down upon.
Orbital however is regarded highly because of their artisitc abitlites, as
are the chemical brothers, underworld, and prodigy...


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From: Ehrlich <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno
Date: 17 Jul 1997 19:46:45 -0400



>All i had were the best intentions. I'm sorry i'll NEVER NEVER NEVER
>bring my opinion onto this list again cuz all it ever seems to do is
>spark a debate. A debate is ok but lately everyone just seems to be at
>each other's throats. Sorry everyone >:/

No need to apologize, everyone is entitled to their own opnion.  No one
needs to be giving anyone any crap about their opinion.


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From: [e-mail] (Simon Bird)
Subject: (orbital) Re: About all this name shit-discovering
Date: 17 Jul 1997 19:25:30 CDT


> Im into a lot of punk/ska and I like orbital too. ((ANY OTHER PUNK
> ROCKERS OUT THERE????!)) ummmmm

Wouldn't be surprised if there are a bunch of us out here in Oribitaland
that grew up on punk.  I was a-listening to Stiff Little Fingers, early
Damned and Stranglers, UK Subs, Subhumanz, Crass, etc. when I was a wee
nipper in the late 70s/early 80s.  I think the basic soul and guts behind
beepy music (there yer go - another label!) of today and the first and
second wave punk have much in common:  the energy, the do-it-yerself
relatively low-budget churn 'em out kind of mentality, some of the humour
and yes, even a little intellect.  I don't listen to much that you would
shove into the "punk" category these days, but that's certainly where me
roots are.

in regression mode

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From: SandoZ <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) -ORBITAL-
Date: 17 Jul 1997 23:05:52 -0400 (EDT)


Hello,
My name is Ryan and this is my first message to the list. I only know
really know about mainstream techno (Prodigy, Chemical Brothers) and love
what I own, and only wish I had the money for all that I want, but anyways
I just saw Orbital live this last Tuesday at Lollapalooza, and they
totally blew my mind away! I couldn't believe how good they were! Those
songs had me dancing through the entire set, non-stop. Well their
performance more than persuaded me to buy one of their albums, and my
friend told me that they had a double cd out, so the search was on. I
later found "In Sides" rather easily and instantly fell in love. I mean
all of these songs are of such high quality! Orbital even inspired me and
a friend to start our own little techno thing, which I think (with the
help of his in-house recording studio) is coming along rather nicely.
Well I talked to a friend earlier and he told me about his copy of "In
Sides", and I noticed that our second discs are vastly different. Mine
consists of "Times Fly (slow)", "Sad but New", "Times Fly (fast)", "The
Tranquilizer", and a special twenty-eight minute of "The Box" that I
wouldn't give up anything for. My friends has (and I don't know all the
songs or what order) "Satan (industrial)", "The Saint", "The Sinner", and
some more versions of "Satan". Well anyways, I was wondering if I can buy
this cd seperately anywhere else, because my friend tells me it is really
good, and also because that "Satan" song was so awesome live. I'd be most
greatfull to anyone who can provide me with any information concering
this, or recommend any other Orbital cds.
                                *  T  *  H  *  A  *  N  *  K  *  S  *



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Subject: Re: (orbital) My Two Bits on the Techno Thing
Date: 17 Jul 1997 23:47:54 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-07-17 16:11:16 EDT, you write:

<<   And won't we, the dedicated minions of Orbitalism benefit
 from the opportunities that  P & P can now partake ?
  >>

this is what we hope.  similar to what i said a few weeks ago, as long as
orbital can keep the push of the suits above from forcing them to put out
material before it is ready, then everything will be okay.  but when
performers are pushed into bad contracts, forced to put out half-completed
work just to satisfy the musical masses and the corporate interests [or they
get lazy and put out half-assed music because that's all the masses expect]
then the quality goes down.  from what i have read paul and phil have always
fought against the pressure to be mainstream, to bring their work in from the
periphery, and through their commitment to exploration, we all get to hear
some of the most intelligently crafted sounds ever created.

so who thinks that p&p subscibe to the list?  maybe it's me, and i just
pretend to be a kid from illinois, really i'm 1/2 of the techno supergroup
who's taking the world by storm.     hmmm.



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From: Ehrlich <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) -ORBITAL-
Date: 18 Jul 1997 01:13:15 -0400


>Hello,
>My name is Ryan and this is my first message to the list. I only know
>really know about mainstream techno (Prodigy, Chemical Brothers) and love
>what I own, and only wish I had the money for all that I want, but anyways
>I just saw Orbital live this last Tuesday at Lollapalooza, and they
>totally blew my mind away! I couldn't believe how good they were! Those
>songs had me dancing through the entire set, non-stop. Well their
>performance more than persuaded me to buy one of their albums, and my
>friend told me that they had a double cd out, so the search was on. I
>later found "In Sides" rather easily and instantly fell in love. I mean
>all of these songs are of such high quality! Orbital even inspired me and
>a friend to start our own little techno thing, which I think (with the
>help of his in-house recording studio) is coming along rather nicely.
>Well I talked to a friend earlier and he told me about his copy of "In
>Sides", and I noticed that our second discs are vastly different. Mine
>consists of "Times Fly (slow)", "Sad but New", "Times Fly (fast)", "The
>Tranquilizer", and a special twenty-eight minute of "The Box" that I
>wouldn't give up anything for. My friends has (and I don't know all the
>songs or what order) "Satan (industrial)", "The Saint", "The Sinner", and
>some more versions of "Satan". Well anyways, I was wondering if I can buy
>this cd seperately anywhere else, because my friend tells me it is really
>good, and also because that "Satan" song was so awesome live. I'd be most
>greatfull to anyone who can provide me with any information concering
>this, or recommend any other Orbital cds.
>                                *  T  *  H  *  A  *  N  *  K  *  S  *

ACTUALLY!  I saw orbital a few tuesdays ago here in dc.  anyways...ive only
ever seen the bonus satan (live) EP in the in sides packaging.  i boubht a
copy of in sides again because that second cd is soooo good.  i highly
recommend getting it.  i also HIGHLY recomend the self titled first album
by orbital.  it has a green cover.  you probably heard some of the songs in
the concert.  their most memborable song of the evening was choice, in
which a key phrase that you would notice, that poppep up on the screen many
times is..."Wake UP!"  I absolutely love that song and it is on the first
cd along w/ the original version of satan and chime.

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From: "Morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) About all this name shit.
Date: 18 Jul 1997 01:47:47 PDT





> Not just with orbital though.. i've seen lots of friends who are less =

> judgemental now about music cuz they used to be "techno-haters" and
> after hearing the many different subgenres think, "whoa i guess it IS =

> deeper than i thought before".
But do you think that it was the subgenres that got them likeing it, or =
do you think that it was the music.  A genre is only a label, it does not=
 show the creativity of the music.  I agree with you to a point, but peop=
le who are closed minded to techno shouldn't be listening to it then.  =
If they are not going to take the time to open their mind, then who cares=
 about them.  I have too gotten my friends into Orbital, but it was becau=
se they had an open mind and let Orbtial in.  I also have friends that =
are to set on 'techno is shit' that they won't even give it a chance, no =
matter how much I play.  So to sum this up, if someone will like techno, =
then they will.
another thing, you want to make new subgenres? Why?  The ones their are =
doing fine.  If you start calling Ambient, Space Age music, or whatever, =
do you really think that people will start listening to it.  People who =
classify Techno as shit, just hear an electronic sound and dissmiss it.
sorry for being so lengthy
>
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From: Matthew Hurtgen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) BUKEM!   Orb Live
Date: 18 Jul 1997 04:46:56 -0400


I almost saw that Boston show with LTJ Bukem, but instead caught it in NY=
C
on the 12th.  Although the dnb scene is small in NY,  this little club
S.O.B.'s was having a great time.  The music was exquisite and the two MC=
's
he was with were tough as hell.  I am going to see it all again here in
Florida next week.  My crew here was blowing up to The Orb on the same
night - they say that if you miss that show then you might as well call T=
he
Devil collect.

Back on the scene...     Lightfinger

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Subject: (orbital) yet another comment on this techno thing
Date: 18 Jul 1997 9:42:00 -0400




     lots of years ago, when i was much, MUCH younger and running around at
     raves, i danced to what i categorize as "techno", which has a higher
     degree of beats, going much more faster, with that "boom boom boom"
     track laid out continuously. to me, "ambient" was brian eno! (airport
     sounds...) with so many media titled "techno" groups and duos and dj's
     out now, there is no way to place the sound under one category. but i
     suppose you can try and give the GENRE one name. i just call it
     electronic music, because literally, that's what it is. i never really
     liked "electronica", though. that swims so close to calling it techno.

     orbital can make you dance and can make you sit and relax...so should
     we say it's danceable ambient? and say they are THE BEST, better than
     everyone else out there? hee hee.


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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Techno! Techno! Techno!
Date: 18 Jul 1997 14:57:35


Hi!

this techno name thing runs and runs!

just one thing, I'm on the digest rather than the main list, and it's ten
million years slower than the main list, so if you're replying to a post of
mine to the list could you cc it to me?

>>I read this and had to voice my part in the battle against the stigma of
"Techno."
I am a self-proclaimed intelligent person and avid music listener.  I have cd's
from every music genre including jazz, rock, classical, bluegrass, and even a
little bit of country (very little).  However, I have only recently begun
dipping my toe in the pool of electronic music.  Why?  I had a prejudged notion
that all "Techno" was bass drums and idiotic noises.  Little did I know that I
had only heard very poor electronic music.

About four years ago, a friend had me trapped in the car and made me listen to
Orbital's Brown album.  I was mesmerized.  Having dismissed all of
"Electronica" to this friend's face,  I was completely at a loss for words.
Converted, I soon found out that much of electronic music is very intelligent,
melody-based musicianship.<<

It's funny, I was talking to a friend a while ago about people who hate dance
music, and he came up with the idea that you could turn anyone on to it by
playing "Halcyon" to them...

>>Recently, I made a tape (as I have been known to do) for a good friend who is
always asking me for suggestions of new music.  I called her to tell her that I
was sending her a tape, and stated that it was one of the finest I had made to
date.  But, when I mentioned it contained a few "Techno" tracks, she chided me
for listening to "rave music."  I tried to explain that, while most all of
electronic music is dance-able, not all "Techno" is mindless.<<

do you think it's simply the name "Techno" that puts people off the music? I
have a feeling it's the fact that you dance to it that repels people and that
it isn't made by the standard rock guitar-bass-drums-vocals line up.

Just one other thing, when you say that dance music is good because it's
intelligent... I would think that all music affects people on an emotional
rather than an intellectual level, and that the "intelligence" or otherwise of
the music doesn't really come into it.

>>When trying to get friends to listen to electronic music, I run into the same
"Techno" stigma over and over again.  But, every back has a front, and I feel
that the "Techno" stigma has so far guarded electronic music from some of the
exploitation and commercialization of more popular genres.<<

yes, to an extent. But here, while lots of people don't like dance music and
will sneer at "that rave crap" it still managed to become completely part of
mainstream culture. I think it was maybe a generational thing, with The Kids
all going to raves and clubs when the dance music explosion occurred in the
late eighties and going "THIS IS BRILLIANT!" while the slightly older kids
looked on baffled. I do think that what's happenning with the way dance music
is taking off in north america is that you're getting the music without the
scene, which is a real shame.

incidentally, you are a clone of me i) self proclaimed intelligence ii) avid
music fan iii) didn't like dance music for years iii) makes tapes for friends.

bye!

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From: daFinn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(orbital) yet another comment on this techno thing
Date: 18 Jul 1997 16:52:27 +0200


>      orbital can make you dance and can make you sit and relax...so should
>      we say it's danceable ambient? and say they are THE BEST, better than
>      everyone else out there? hee hee.

Heh, ambient techno?




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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) orbital after lolla
Date: 18 Jul 1997 05:33:03 PDT


anyone know what orbital's plans are after the lollapalooza tour
(actually when is orbital's last day there?)? Are they gonna work on
another album? Start another tour (hehe hopefully)? I've heard people
say they were great at lollapalooza but even better in a club or
whatever...

hmmm that's the one thing that sucks here... lotta' my fav "electronic"
bands came around here in the past half year or so such as the chemical
bros much earlier and the Orb, however most "electronic" bands seem to
prefer clubs...  in most cases my friends and i cudn't get in cuz we
weren't 18 yet...(less than two months to go woohoo!)   Anyone else here
have this problem email me, we can bitch at the system together, hehe
>:)

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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) My Two Bits on the Techno Thing
Date: 18 Jul 1997 05:24:16 PDT


>so who thinks that p&p subscibe to the list?  maybe it's me, and i just
>pretend to be a kid from illinois, really i'm 1/2 of the techno
supergroup
>who's taking the world by storm.     hmmm.


heh' ya never know >:P

anyhooo as far as going mainstream... i was always kinda' hoping orbital
would risk going mainstream... true you'll have LOADS of people not
seeing the music for what it is, but you also enter the mainstream with
a hope that this music will actually open the minds of the youth.... to
inspire people that you listen to what you REALLY like rather than what
mtv tells you to like or to dress the way you WANT to dress rather than
the way people in videos or the cliques in your school tell youto
dress... it's a risk... the music will either be incorporated into
closed minded/trendy america or it will tear it down and spark
individuality..

When Prodigy first started becoming popular after firestarter, i
remember being really excited cuz I prodigy was another band along with
orbital that i first discovered which lead to a greater interest in
other forms of electronic music.... they were sort of GATEWAY BANDS as i
call them... The prodigy didn't have quite the effect that i was
hoping... all the wannabe skaters and punks in my schools really got
into prodigy and i was hoping they'd find out more about there roots and
discover more about techno, but it didn't happen.. they all just kept
thinking of prodigy as this punk band.

Hopefully with Orbital's increasing popularity, the results will be
different... Maybe that's Y MTV never seems to push orbital that much...
cuz really getting into music like that sparks INDIVIDUALITY and an OPEN
MIND... things that MTV relies on the youth of america NOT HAVNING so
they can push their trends and make even more money

ehh well...  we'll see what happens

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From: [e-mail] (Josh Benton)
Subject: FWD: RE: (orbital) Techno! Techno! Techno!
Date: 18 Jul 1997 10:21:19 -0500



>It's funny, I was talking to a friend a while ago about people who hate
dance
music, and he came up with the idea that you could turn anyone on to it
by
playing "Halcyon" to them...<

I agree completely, but I have had mixed results.  Just last night, I
tried to turn on a friend to Orbital by playing the live version of
Halcyon on the In Sides bonus disc.  Alas, I was unsuccessful.  However,
when I played the same track for one of my roommates (who, incidentally,
listens to the Grateful Dead almost exclusively), he asked me to make
him a tape of electronic music.

>do you think it's simply the name "Techno" that puts people off the
music? I
have a feeling it's the fact that you dance to it that repels people and
that
it isn't made by the standard rock guitar-bass-drums-vocals line up.<

I think the name "Techno" has a taint for a large portion of the
population because it is associated with dance music and clubbing (not
that that is bad).  I know that one of the hardest things to grasp when
I first started listening to techno was the idea of a live show, simply
because there were no traditional instruments (e.g.
guitar-bass-drums-vocals), and I enjoy live music so much that it is
hard for me to listen to a musical act that is not a live-based group or
individual (I admit, it is a little narrow-minded).  I am glad that
Lollapalooza is featuring so many techno acts -- it may smash a lot of
barriers for those that believe a live techno show cannot be that
exciting.

>Just one other thing, when you say that dance music is good because it's

intelligent... I would think that all music affects people on an
emotional
rather than an intellectual level, and that the "intelligence" or
otherwise of
the music doesn't really come into it.<

For me personally, if music is not intelligent (e.g. makes me think),
then it usually does not affect me emotionally.  I agree completely that
good music affects your emotions, and to affect me emotionally, a song
or piece usually evokes thoughts, memories, and feeling.  That is not to
say that music must be complex; it could be stunningly simple
(simplicity is almost always more intelligent than complexity).

>yes, to an extent. But here, while lots of people don't like dance music
and
will sneer at "that rave crap" it still managed to become completely part
of
mainstream culture. I think it was maybe a generational thing, with The
Kids
all going to raves and clubs when the dance music explosion occurred in
the
late eighties and going "THIS IS BRILLIANT!" while the slightly older
kids
looked on baffled. I do think that what's happening with the way dance
music
is taking off in north america is that you're getting the music without
the
scene, which is a real shame.<

Living in the North American Deep South and the site of Graceland, I am
not getting any of the scene, which IS a tragedy.  I have to hear about
new music mainly through friends in other parts of the country and the
internet.

Thanks for responding.
-Josh


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From: "Ben Shively" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Halcyon Live
Date: 18 Jul 1997 17:05:00 UT


I really love the live Halcyon with the Bon Jovi(?) and Belinda Carlisle
samples.  I get the idea that it's on one of the versions of In Sides.  But
I've already bought one.  I don't want to have to buy another version just to
get it's bonus CD.  Does anyone know of other ways I can get Halcyon live
(with BJ and BC samples) on CD?  I live in America, but imports are OK.

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Halcyon Live
Date: 18 Jul 1997 11:37:22 -0600 (MDT)


> I really love the live Halcyon with the Bon Jovi(?) and Belinda Carlisle
> samples.  I get the idea that it's on one of the versions of In Sides.  But
> I've already bought one.  I don't want to have to buy another version just
> to get it's bonus CD.  Does anyone know of other ways I can get Halcyon live
> (with BJ and BC samples) on CD?

The current US 2CD of In Sides is the only CD it's been released on to date.

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From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital Videos
Date: 18 Jul 1997 12:38:26 -0500


Since we are talking about videos.........

    I wanted to make it known... for people in the US.
The members of this list, that are over seas, have a different video format...
known as PAL.  It is the British standard format for video tapes.  The US
uses a different video standard known as NTSC.
    Any way.. the point here is..if people in the US order or recieve a video
from someone in the UK more than likely when you put in in your VCR it
won't play correctly... that is because it is the incorect format.
    The real point of this message:
    I CAN CONVERT NTSC to PAL and PAL to NTSC....
So if you want to order that video..Go For It!!!!!!!
Then contact me and we'll set something up to get it converted for you...

Thats it.. have a GREAT day!!





At 06:11 PM 7/15/97 +0100, you wrote:
>This talk of the Satan video got me thinking. Would anybody else love to
>see Orbital release a video compilation ? I have seen most of the Videos
>that they have done but not all of them and then only odd bits of some.
>Something along the lines of the 'Electronic Punks' Video by the Prodigy
>with interview snippets and live footage would be cool.
>I'd buy it straight away, but I suppose soime people would see it as too
>commercial - especially after 'The Saint'.

Thanks,
    Digger
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From: Sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Techno
Date: 18 Jul 1997 13:37:30 EDT




> thats a joke right?
>
>i dont see why individuals are so concerned with what others think of
>when they hear the word "techno".

Shut up everybody! This is turningf into an all-out war! Techno doesn't mean
anything! It was the phrase originally given to 1970s music which incorported
technology pioneered by Roland and all else (including kitchen implements,
chainsaws, the movie Blade Runner,etc.). Ifg you think otherwoise you don't have
a clue.

Orbital is electronica, and that's the best description. End of story, and all
of you stop arguing for arguing for chrissakes.  I AM RIGHT! Techno is a useless
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From: cl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno
Date: 18 Jul 1997 13:37:19 -0500


Sawyer wrote:
>
> > thats a joke right?
> >
> >i dont see why individuals are so concerned with what others think of
> >when they hear the word "techno".
>
chill out dude.  the "thats a joke right?" comment was directed towards
the person who said that original techno was "out of chicago in the 70's
and had a harder, more industrial edge."  if that was your comment, you
are sadly mistaken.


>It was the phrase originally given to 1970s music which incorported
>technology pioneered by Roland and all else (including kitchen >implements,
>chainsaws, the movie Blade Runner,etc.). Ifg you think otherwoise you >don't have a clue.
no, actually you dont have a clue.  do some research.  look up atkins,
reese, saunderson, kraftewrk, et al.

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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Look what Liam had to say about Orbital...
Date: 17 Jul 1997 15:18:46 PDT


This is from a recent interview with the Prodigy...
Make your own conclusions...

--Aimee--

Interviewer: Visually, you move closer to a rock show.

Liam:  Yeah, absolutely, 'cause that's where the edge is.  There is no
energy in the dance scene.  I never watched any dance acts, apart from
Atari Teenage Riot.  They're quite lively.  They're along the same lines
as what we do.  Obviously the music is different, but the energy... they
are into the energy.  I can watch a show like Orbital... I always say
Orbital and it seem like I'm slagging them off but I actually like them.
They are friends.  If you take their show, for example, it's quite
static.  We don't wanna be like that.  We wanna be more lively on stage.


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From: cl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno
Date: 18 Jul 1997 13:50:59 -0500


cl wrote:
>
> Sawyer wrote:
> >
> > > thats a joke right?
> > >
> > >i dont see why individuals are so concerned with what others think of
> > >when they hear the word "techno".
> >
> chill out dude.  the "thats a joke right?" comment was directed towards
> the person who said that original techno was "out of chicago in the 70's
> and had a harder, more industrial edge."  if that was your comment, you
> are sadly mistaken.
>
> >It was the phrase originally given to 1970s music which incorported
> >technology pioneered by Roland and all else (including kitchen >implements,
> >chainsaws, the movie Blade Runner,etc.). Ifg you think otherwoise you >don't have a clue.
> no, actually you dont have a clue.  do some research.  look up atkins,
> reese, saunderson, kraftewrk, et al.
>
> c

forgot to put this in, i recommend it to all listmembers...
http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/4thworld/house.htm

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) >>>>>>>>"PEOPLE WHO QUOTE TOOOO MUCH"
Date: 18 Jul 1997 12:01:01 -0700


must we quote everything a million times? I think Ive read everything on
this list too many times!!! agggg, just wondering thats all. This whole
"techno" quote fight is getting annoying please..... help!!!! >:o|


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Techno
Date: 18 Jul 1997 15:11:00 -0400


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     i AGREE one hundred thousand percent with this, and christ i hope
     there are no more "definition of techno" postings....


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> thats a joke right?
>
>i dont see why individuals are so concerned with what others think of
>when they hear the word "techno".

Shut up everybody! This is turningf into an all-out war! Techno doesn't mean
anything! It was the phrase originally given to 1970s music which incorported
technology pioneered by Roland and all else (including kitchen implements,
chainsaws, the movie Blade Runner,etc.). Ifg you think otherwoise you don't have
a clue.

Orbital is electronica, and that's the best description. End of story, and all
of you stop arguing for arguing for chrissakes.  I AM RIGHT! Techno is a useless
description for Orbital, which is a categfory of itself.



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From:    Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno
Date: 18 Jul 1997 16:39:01 -0300 (ADT)


On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, cl wrote:

> no, actually you dont have a clue.  do some research.  look up atkins,
> reese, saunderson, kraftewrk, et al.

Kraftwerk!  Yes!  I always play them on my show!  They rock!



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From: [e-mail] (Daniel L Gilliland)
Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital Videos
Date: 18 Jul 1997 15:51:25 EDT


<I would love for Orbital to release a video.Who cares if it looks like a
>
<push towards mainstream. Orbital is my favorite band and I need to>
< buy all of their music made available.
                    >
<                                                  P.L.U.R. ,Dan
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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno
Date: 18 Jul 1997 11:03:05 PDT


>anything! It was the phrase originally given to 1970s music which
incorported
>technology pioneered by Roland and all else (including kitchen
implements,
>chainsaws, the movie Blade Runner,etc.). Ifg you think otherwoise you
don't have
>a clue.

hehe we're no longer talking about the actually DEFINITION of techno...
rarely anyone on earth knows exactly what TECHNO is defined as or the
roots of it.. we're talking about the mainstream view of what techno
is.. the meaning has changed so much over the years, and so much more
has been incorporated into it... No offense but u can argue this all you
want but 99% of the ppl in america today seem to define techno as
"repetitive computer sounding club/rave crap"

>of you stop arguing for arguing for chrissakes.  I AM RIGHT! Techno is
a useless
>description for Orbital, which is a categfory of itself.
rbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital

It's not really an argument of wether orbital should or should not be
labeld as techno so much as it's an argument over whether orbital should
be LABELED at all...>:)  hehe i think u missed the beginning of the
argument to see what it was actually about.. an argument about wether or
not orbital... (argument??? yikes...i didn't even mean for this to be an
argument, just a wish)... wether or not mainstream america should or
shouldn't seperate orbital from the connotatively broad genre of  what
people nowadays call "techno" so that more people would get a chance to
discover them.

peace,

the BrAiN

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From: "Shannon @ The Image Processing Lab" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) The Guide
Date: 18 Jul 1997 14:03:41 -0400


[One more...]
FYI:
Oh and besides the Ambience II, there was this weird English zine called
"The Guide", about music and other entertainment, from about April 97
that had a free Orbital dik in a clear sleeve on the outside.
The zine had a couple of ads of Orbital also. The disk had a song from
each of the major releases.

SKC


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno! Techno! Techno!
Date: 18 Jul 1997 19:22:14 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-07-18 10:32:39 EDT, you write:

<< do you think it's simply the name "Techno" that puts people off the music?
I
 have a feeling it's the fact that you dance to it that repels people and
that
 it isn't made by the standard rock guitar-bass-drums-vocals line up.
  >>
Heh...I've said this before, and I'll say it again--I've always thought that
no vocals was the biggest reason that most people don't like "techno" (or
whatever you feel like calling it).  Yes, there are other reasons, but a lot
of people (especially in America) just don't think it's a song if it doesn't
have words.

--Matt


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From: *theremin villain <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno
Date: 18 Jul 1997 07:24:32 -0400 (EDT)


you wrote:
> like "techno."  they automatically associate it with things like crystal
> waters (whom i actually do like (shes mellow)) and real mccoy, la
bouche,

i call that club musik, commercial dance musik... thats not techno and
thats not what the creators of techno were doing at all... i think perhaps
the association of techno with that vein of musik started when c&c music
factory started labeling itself as a techno group. but honestly all of
you, what does this have to do with orbital. we dont have to like 'techno'
or 'electronica' (ugh, that media-made word still makes me shudder) to be
here, we are simply a bunch of people who like orbital... and if people
cant open up their goddamn minds to something as beautiful as orbital
because of their preconceptions that is their own freakin' fault, say i.
lets end this thread, now.
*jim

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Sniv
Date: 18 Jul 1997 19:36:22 -0400 (EDT)


Hey, lookee here ma, I do believe this is my first on-topic post in about 2
mos =)
Anyway, I'll get to the point, all this talk about Sniv made me break it out
again...it's always been the Orbital album I listened to least, but after
hearing Sad But True, Forever, and Are We Here? again, I fell in love w/it
all over again.   Hell, I'm even starting to like Quality Seconds =).   I
still don't think it's as much fun as Brown, or as inspired as Insides, but
damn, this is a good album.  Now can anyone tell the moron (me) if there are
any mixes of Sad But True out there?  Other than Sad But New that is...

--Matt

PS--I'm moving to Dallas in about a month, and I'd really love it if anyone
could point me towards some good music stores and tell me what the scene's
like down there (not that it could really be worse than the scene here) =)

PPS--Any of you crazy kids heard Moby Ambient?  I've been thinking of buying
it for a while, but I'm a little leery of it....I think Animal Rights has
scared me away from a lot of his stuff lately.  Anyway, is it like his other
ambient work?  Cos I love Moby's ambient work (that I've heard).   And while
I'm making a thousand unreasonable requests, can someone point me toward some
other ambient that sounds vaguely like "When It's Cold I'd Like To Die"?

PPPS--Ok, so I've really dragged out this post, but while I'm talking about
Moby, I was at the music store the other day, and looked up at the New
Releases board...it said "Moby--Aug 25 "I Like To Score"  Was I
hallucinating?  Is there some other Moby out there?  Or is he just releasing
an album w/a totally out of character name?

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From: Ehrlich <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno
Date: 18 Jul 1997 19:42:15 -0400


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>     i AGREE one hundred thousand percent with this, and christ i hope
>     there are no more "definition of techno" postings....
>

first off, there is no need for ANYONE to be hostile.  everyone is entitled
to their own opinion.  no one was arguing.  it was simply a discussion of
what we should label orbital as.  sorry if this caused any disturbance.


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From: "hacienda blvd." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) (techno)
Date: 18 Jul 1997 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT)




Techno's roots are hard and from 1970's Chicago?

Actually, most people give this accolade to Detroit with people like
Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson, and Derrick May (all of whom were influenced
by Kraftwerk, New Order, etc.)  Juan had records out very early on with
Cybertron (i.e. "Clear",) but May's "Strings of Life" released in, correct
me if I'm wrong, 1987, defintely sounds more on target for the future.


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From: Sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Techno
Date: 19 Jul 1997 07:19:14 EDT


> no, actually you dont have a clue.  do some research.  look up atkins,
reese, saunderson, kraftewrk, et al.

Yeah, these guys were techno too - but the early Kraftwerk stuff is far, far
from being electronic in any sense of the word! When techno and elctronic music
first came about, Kraftwerk were still dealing with a mainly instrumental set-up
(just listen to their earlu work for evidence of this!), Atkins and Reese were
very influential, and I'm not arguing otherwise, but the pioneers came from
Chicago.

In fact, I would go as far to say that Kraftwerk weren;t a major influence until
Trans Europe Express! The industrail techno groups and artists were drawing on
the inspirastion of post-industrial America; using everyday items and elctronics
to build a collage of sound and sensation. Their main influences were Detroit
electro and hip hop. Whilst I'm not trying to disagreeing with your statement, I
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From: daFinn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(orbital) Techno = Electronica?
Date: 19 Jul 1997 14:30:06 +0200


> > no, actually you dont have a clue.  do some research.  look up atkins,
> reese, saunderson, kraftewrk, et al.
>
> Yeah, these guys were techno too - but the early Kraftwerk stuff is far, far
> from being electronic in any sense of the word! When techno and elctronic
> music
>

Who mentioned electronic? I really think you could do techno with acoustic
stuff. Electronica on the other hand...

- I know a good label BTW... let's call it ... music!





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From: daFinn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno! Techno! Techno!
Date: 19 Jul 1997 14:58:02 +0200


At 19.22 -0400 97-07-18, [e-mail] wrote:
> In a message dated 97-07-18 10:32:39 EDT, you write:
>
> << do you think it's simply the name "Techno" that puts people off the music?
> I
>  have a feeling it's the fact that you dance to it that repels people and
> that
>  it isn't made by the standard rock guitar-bass-drums-vocals line up.
>   >>
> Heh...I've said this before, and I'll say it again--I've always thought that
> no vocals was the biggest reason that most people don't like "techno" (or
> whatever you feel like calling it).

This is also why it never will become as mainstream as
beatles/brianadams/springsteen/whatever/. Just cuz there are no "melodies"
in the traditional sense in the music...




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From: "Shannon @ The Image Processing Lab" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Ambience II > "Attached"
Date: 18 Jul 1997 13:57:16 -0400


Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:42:04 -0400
Brian Lorraine <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>looking up more about them, that's when i saw that someone had described
them as an AMBIENT GROUP. AMBIENT?? I remember thinking then "What the
hell is ambient?".

Last night at the Disc shop I find this thing called "Ambience II" on
the MM MOONSHINES label. I couldn't see the date but there was also a
vol.III. Anyway it had an Orbital cut called "Attached"
Has anyone heard this or know about this disc? opinions?

Orbital has been on Virgin's Ambient series also, right?

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From: Sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Techno
Date: 19 Jul 1997 12:56:12 EDT


> I know a good label BTW... let's call it ... music!

Finally, something I hope that we can all agree on!



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) My Two Bits on the Techno Thing
Date: 19 Jul 1997 13:58:55 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-07-19 04:23:09 EDT, you write:

<< would risk going mainstream... true you'll have LOADS of people not
 seeing the music for what it is, but you also enter the mainstream with
 a hope that this music will actually open the minds of the youth.... to
 inspire people that you listen to what you REALLY like rather than what
 mtv tells you to like or to dress the way you WANT to dress rather than
 the way people in videos or the cliques in your school tell youto
 dress... it's a risk... the music will either be incorporated into
 closed minded/trendy america or it will tear it down and spark
 individuality..
  >>
I really think that to accomplish this, Orbital would have to enter the
mainstream almost independent of radio/video-play.  A difficult task, but not
impossible....i mean, P-Funk did it, maybe the bros. can too.  =)

--Matt


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Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno = Electronica?
Date: 19 Jul 1997 14:08:38 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-07-19 08:34:55 EDT, you write:

<< Who mentioned electronic? I really think you could do techno with acoustic
 stuff. Electronica on the other hand... >>
Hmmmm...I do believe that Seefeel's album Quique makes techno with "regular"
instruments....


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From: -Niall C Christie- <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) The Guide
Date: 19 Jul 1997 19:33:54 +0100 (BST)


I'd hardly call "The Guide" that weird, it's just the Saturday magazine
from The Guardian which is, for all you non-Britons out there, a pretty
major British newspaper. The Free Orbital CD was only available in London
which was a real pisser for all us nonCockneys. Does anyone know where I
can get a copy as I have no London connections and I don't really want to
pay the 7-8quid I'm seeing quoted for it, seeing as it was a free CD.
There must be loads of Londoners out there who have it and don't want it.


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> Oh and besides the Ambience II, there was this weird English zine called
> "The Guide", about music and other entertainment, from about April 97
> that had a free Orbital dik in a clear sleeve on the outside.
> The zine had a couple of ads of Orbital also. The disk had a song from
> each of the major releases.



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From: Ehrlich <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno = Electronica?
Date: 19 Jul 1997 15:11:27 -0400


>In a message dated 97-07-19 08:34:55 EDT, you write:
>
><< Who mentioned electronic? I really think you could do techno with acoustic
> stuff. Electronica on the other hand... >>
>Hmmmm...I do believe that Seefeel's album Quique makes techno with "regular"
>instruments....

Also, Hooverphonic.

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From: "Chris.Hilker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Headlight glasses
Date: 18 Jul 1997 07:27:07 -0700


>> the weird "glasses" that Orbital wear when their playing live

>I'm a dance musician and I'm pretty interested in getting my paws on a pair of
>these babies

Most hardware and auto-parts stores stock them.

C.

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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Que K Que? K Que K?
Date: 19 Jul 1997 17:41:19 -0500 (CDT)



Has anyone heard of a group with either the name Que K Que or K Que K?
I heard them on DTV and they sounded really good.


                            Reality

"Be Objective, Be Selective"

 - Isabelle Cole, Orbital 2 CD foldout

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From: Geoffrey Elgey <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Midnight/Choice 12"?
Date: 20 Jul 1997 12:01:40 +0100


G'day,

I just picked up the following 12" this morning:

   12": 1991 UK (ffrr; FXR 163)
   Midnight (sasha mix)
   Choice (orbital and i and eye mix)

Is this rare? Because I've never seen or heard of it before. And who did the
remix of Choice?

Cheers,
Geoff

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From: "Morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) My Two Bits on the Techno Thing
Date: 19 Jul 1997 03:37:18 PDT


The thing is though, (you touched on this slightly) when a band comes int=
o the mainstream, then MTV grabs it and makes people listen to it.  Partl=
y that is how something becomes mainstream.
Cya.


>
> anyhooo as far as going mainstream... i was always kinda' hoping orbita=
l
> would risk going mainstream... true you'll have LOADS of people not
> seeing the music for what it is, but you also enter the mainstream with
> a hope that this music will actually open the minds of the youth.... =
to
> inspire people that you listen to what you REALLY like rather than what
> mtv tells you to like or to dress the way you WANT to dress rather than
> the way people in videos or the cliques in your school tell youto
> dress... it's a risk... the music will either be incorporated into
> closed minded/trendy america or it will tear it down and spark
> individuality..
>



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno! Techno! Techno!
Date: 20 Jul 1997 01:49:59 -0400 (EDT)




<< This is also why it never will become as mainstream as
 beatles/brianadams/springsteen/whatever/. Just cuz there are no "melodies"
 in the traditional sense in the music...
  >>

music of the ambient nature will probably never become a huge phenomenon
because it doesn't have the easily recognized structure of traditional rock
and roll forms.  the rythm section of the band is there to hold the  music
up, to give it foundation.  ambient music, and the less house-y techno [let's
not argue on specific defintions now] has the beat, the time, the measure,
all that stuff that 'regular' music has, but it is hidden.

the form of the music has become autonomous to its structure.  most rock n'
roll suffers because it has to work around the lyrics, or some other rigid
pattern.  with orbital, and future sound of london to name another, the
elements of the musical piece delicately slide in and out of composition.

maybe i don't know what i'm talking about, and then again maybe i should stop
reading post-structuralism so late at night.

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From: Sean Granger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital Videos
Date: 19 Jul 1997 23:48:00 -0500


Dont take this the wrong way, but anyone with the very cheap equipment
can convert it, so if people are into videos alot, just go out and buy
the equipment instead of waiting for Digger here.
> won't play correctly... that is because it is the incorect format.
>         The real point of this message:
>         I CAN CONVERT NTSC to PAL and PAL to NTSC....
> So if you want to order that video..Go For It!!!!!!!
> Then contact me and we'll set something up to get it converted for


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From: "Morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) off topic group
Date: 19 Jul 1997 23:33:24 PDT


Hey,

I have seen a vieo on AMP that i just love.  The group is called Legion =
of Green Men, and the song is called 'Synaptic Response'  has anyone hear=
d of these guys, and better yet give me info on them?  I was thinking of =
buying the cd (won't have a problem since the label is Virgin Canada) but=
 I want to know what the rest of it is like, and if they even have a cd. =
 I taped the video so I can listen to the song over and over again (I've =
got my vcr hooked to my stereo so it sounds good).  Thanx in advance for =
all of any info coming my way.

cya
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From: "Andrew J. Larson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) The Guide n' Orbital CD
Date: 20 Jul 1997 04:25:38 -0500 (EST)


> which was a real pisser for all us nonCockneys. Does anyone know where I
> can get a copy as I have no London connections and I don't really want to
> pay the 7-8quid I'm seeing quoted for it, seeing as it was a free CD.
> There must be loads of Londoners out there who have it and don't want it.

come on now... just today I saw 3 copies of this in Columbus, Ohio.  I saw a
copy in Seattle a few months ago too.  Sure this little sampler was limited?
Unless you're some must have collector of Orbital, this cd is really no big
deal.  If you've got all four LP's you've got it all.
btw, the prices on them have been ~$10 which methinks is pretty close to what
you've seen.  Good luck finding a cheap/free one.  If this CD isn't free, it
isn't worth it ;)

Andy
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From: "Morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) NEW CRYSTAL METHOD REVIEW
Date: 20 Jul 1997 02:14:20 PDT


NON-ORBITAL RELATED SUBJECT

hey,

I am so hyped, I just finished listening to the new Crystal Method album =
which isn't due out until August 26.  It was awesome.  I find it sounds =
like The Chemical Brothers busting out traks of the quality of Music for =
the Jilted Generation.  If you are a Chem Bros. fan or a Prodigy fan, buy=
 this album when it comes out.  Some very good tunes on that one.  I hear=
d, that there is only 2 copies of this album at the moment.  Again, that =
is just what I heard.
I'm not going to go in depth about all the songs, but there is two that =
really hit me hard.  The first one was called Trip Like I Do (this is the=
 original version without filter in it).  It was amazing.  Made me want =
to dance hard.  Another one, don't know the name just blew me away.  The =
whol time I listened to it, I kept on saying to my "this is a fuckin' awe=
some trak".  Once this album hits the stores, I will be picking myself =
up a copy.  Vital to my health.
Mail me for more info.

cya
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From: Sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Music
Date: 20 Jul 1997 06:51:07 EDT


> the form of the music has become autonomous to its structure.  most rock n'
roll suffers because it has to work around the lyrics, or some other rigid
pattern.

I agree - and this gets back to the difference between traditional and
electronic music production. The late 80s saw it as possible to be a lone
musician and yet have all the abilities and instruments of a band as well; many
dance groups are one or two people with a horde of synths, drum machines,
samplers and computers; their stage impact is very different to a four-piece
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Lolla Orbital Pineknob
Date: 20 Jul 1997 06:55:00 -0400 (EDT)


     Anyone here see Orbital at their final show at Pine Knob?  They really
put on a good show.  Even though the tix were $35 for lawn (or should I say
dirt), it was worth it.


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From: Sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Techno
Date: 20 Jul 1997 06:58:13 EDT


> i dont think i am coming from the angle at all. you are mixing too many
ingredients here.
house- disco + chicago
techno-kraftwerk+funk(parliament)+dm+reese, etc.

Yeah, I agree that it is an interesting debate actually. Because all genres of
dance mysic are so intertwined, it is a very difficult matter, but the early
work of Kraftwerk surely is not techno. Here, we're talking about a highly
instrumentalised group who adopted the height of technology as it came about.

Kraftwerk's very early work is very experimental, and I guess it could loosely
be defined as "techno" (very loosely), but it lacks the raw edge for which
techno has (or was - not the new American wave) known. They were using radio
transmitters to write songs, and using devices that they decsribed could only be
found in regional telephone pilons (this from a book about them - the guys
areamazed that nowadays the same effect can be made from a bedroom synth).

Their later work was a massive impact on the Detroit and Chicago scene, where
already house music was evoloving rapidly. The fusion of styles was what we now
call techno, pioneered by Reece, Atkins, etc.





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From: "Woodster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital - live
Date: 20 Jul 1997 12:50:45 +0100


Hello !

I was listening to Orbital live at Phoenix Festival 1997 last night, and I
just happened to tape it ! Anyone want a copy ? - Mail me !

Bye


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From: "Woodster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital - live
Date: 20 Jul 1997 22:25:47 +0100


Re : Orbital @ Phoenix 1997

Due to a quite a bit of interest in the tape I have, i'm only going to send
tapes to
anyone who asks within the next 24 hours, cos' otherwise i'm going to spend
all my time making copies of it, and not having any time for the important
things
in life such as eating, drinking, work, sleep etc. !

Sorry, but, hey !, there you go. I'm already doing about a dozen copies, so
ask
around, and by the end of the week there should be some other people with a
copy, so ask them nicely to tape it for you !

L8r,

Johnny boy


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From: "Andrew Rowan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Ambience II > "Attached"
Date: 20 Jul 1997 17:44:42 +0100


> Last night at the Disc shop I find this thing called "Ambience II" on
> the MM MOONSHINES label. I couldn't see the date but there was also a
> vol.III. Anyway it had an Orbital cut called "Attached"
> Has anyone heard this or know about this disc? opinions?
>
> Orbital has been on Virgin's Ambient series also, right?
>
> Kahekili

The compilation you saw is called United State of Ambience II, and its on
Moonshine Music.
Its an excellent compilation of US & European ambient music. The "Attached"
version is the one on Peel Sessions, which is slightly different to the
version on Snivillisation.  If you haven't heard Attached, then make it a
priority, its one of Orbitals best, most chilled out cuts. Have a look at
www.moonshine.com for more info on USA II, and I'm sure a sample of
Attached is available on someone's Orbital website.

Take it easy
Andrew

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From: Udi Romanowsky <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) orbital
Date: 21 Jul 1997 04:48:10 +0300 (IDT)


hey.
got 2 stuff i wanna ask u all.
1. anyone know if the orbital is planning on preforming in the uk next month ?
2. anyone is interasted in tradin some orbital mp3 files ? , got about 25
full length mp3's of orbital and all of there cd's + about 10 singles
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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Ambience II > "Attached"
Date: 20 Jul 1997 22:37:49 -0700


On Sunday, July 20, 1997 9:45 AM, Andrew Rowan [SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:

> Its an excellent compilation of US & European ambient music. The "Attached"
> version is the one on Peel Sessions, which is slightly different to the
> version on Snivillisation.  If you haven't heard Attached, then make it a

How did they start the song?  Is it a proper beginning for the song or is it
just taken directly from the Peel Sessions?


Shaun
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From: SandoZ <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Lolla Orbital Pineknob
Date: 21 Jul 1997 02:15:40 -0400 (EDT)


I saw them at Pine Knob...that was the first time I've even heard them,
but I totally fell head over heals for them!!! They put on one of the best
shows I've ever seen! It was good enough to make me buy their cd "In
Sides"...GREAT cd by the way. That new song they played was cool!!! HA!
You got the lawn! Some guy hovered up to me and a friend and gave me his
front row seat tickets! It sounded so good up there@ I was shaking my rump
non-stop for their entire set....later          - SandoZ-



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Subject: (orbital) re:Weird Zine "The Guide"
Date: 21 Jul 1997 8:42:38 BST


>FYI:
>Oh and besides the Ambience II, there was this weird English zine called
>"The Guide", about music and other entertainment, from about April 97
>that had a free Orbital dik in a clear sleeve on the outside.
>The zine had a couple of ads of Orbital also. The disk had a song from
>each of the major releases.

weird zine. LOL :)
Its was a free mag that comes with the Guardian. The CD with the smallest
Orbital interview in the world (it was that small!) :)
Annoying that they only sold it in the London regions...200,000 + of these
cds btw...are u writing this down Lazlo! ;)    (dont forget the credits!)

Steve


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:Pheonix Sample
Date: 21 Jul 1997 9:10:34 BST


There is one sample from Saturday nights Pheonix Festival Gig.
Taken from Impact (2nd Part). To find go to the Loopz site
Http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa   (cut n paste - case sensitive).
then goto to ORBITAL then SAMPLES.

There has also been a request for The Visit samples (only one online now)
to be put back online. Ill be doing that next week i think.

Cheers

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From: James Titchmarsh <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Headlight glasses
Date: 21 Jul 1997 09:38:40 -0400


R.S. the people i got my "headlights" from are at...


http://www.worldserver.pipex.com/rs/index.htm


i wore mine throughout both of Orbital's set at the phoenix festival this=

weekend and got many strange looks from all the sad gits who where standi=
ng
about waiting for David Bowie to start.

i guess there's just no accounting for taste !!!



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Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno
Date: 21 Jul 1997 10:06:00 -0400


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Author:  DORIS HERNANDEZ at ELEKNYC




hi, i was gone all weekend and just came upon many postings in my mailbox....i
must answer to this one...because i was not being hostile, i was simply being
agreeable about someone's opinion on the term techno. it's ridiculous to call
anyone hostile with a hostile toned note!
meanwhile, my apologies if i came across as hostile....
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>     i AGREE one hundred thousand percent with this, and christ i hope
>     there are no more "definition of techno" postings....
>

first off, there is no need for ANYONE to be hostile.  everyone is entitled
to their own opinion.  no one was arguing.  it was simply a discussion of
what we should label orbital as.  sorry if this caused any disturbance.


Geoffrey A. Ehrlich
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From: "Woodster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Live tape
Date: 21 Jul 1997 17:56:39 +0100


Please, please do me a favour and don't ask for any more copies of the
tape.
There are only so many hours in a day and i'm am up to my ears in it blank
tapes. I should have most of 'em done by the end of the week, so if you
want
a copy, ask around, someone near you will have one !

L8r

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) planet dog?
Date: 21 Jul 1997 13:46:37 -0400 (EDT)


Hello all....I've been into Eat Static for a while, and I'm just starting to
get into Banco de Gaia.  Anyway, I was wondering if anyone could tell me if
the other artists on Planet Dog are as good as the aforementioned 2.

Thanks,
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From: "Richard Rowe" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Phoenix
Date: 21 Jul 1997 21:43:57 +0100


I'd just like to point out that I thought Bowie was absolutely staggeringly
wonderful - really the tops of the toppermost.  I loved Orbital, but the
time they were playing did them no favours (in the daylight?  Crikey!), and
I suppose the set's starting to get a little over familiar.  But Bowie...
wow....

Cheers
Rich

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http://www.worldserver.pipex.com/rs/index.htm


i wore mine throughout both of Orbital's set at the phoenix festival this
weekend and got many strange looks from all the sad gits who where standing
about waiting for David Bowie to start.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Headlight glasses
Date: 21 Jul 1997 23:16:04 -0400 (EDT)


this is for all you un-imaginitve brats who just want to look like paul and
phil [to fullfill your sports-star like longings to as well be a musical god]
by wearing, buy and discussing headlights.

Style

While one should always study the method of a great artist, one should never
imitate his manner. The manner of an artist is essentially individual, the
method of an artist is absolutely universal. The first is personality, which
no one should copy; the second is perfection, which all should aim at.

Oscar Wilde (1854-1900), Anglo-Irish playwright, author. Dramatic Review
(London, 20 Feb. 1886).


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) something different
Date: 21 Jul 1997 23:20:58 -0400


There is a postcard waiting for you in the Post(card) Office.
You may claim it at the Pickup Window, which is located at

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From: Beej <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) yet another comment on this techno thing
Date: 22 Jul 1997 00:12:12 -0400 (EDT)


>
>
> >      orbital can make you dance and can make you sit and relax...so should
> >      we say it's danceable ambient? and say they are THE BEST, better than
> >      everyone else out there? hee hee.
>
> Heh, ambient techno?


This discussion cropped up on rec.music.ambient about three or four months
ago, and we settled on the term 'IDM': Intelligent Dance Music. I think
that's about the best I've heard so far...

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From: Beej <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) About all this name shit-discovering
Date: 22 Jul 1997 00:16:39 -0400 (EDT)


>
>
> Pretty interesting how we all got into Orbital!
>
> Im into a lot of punk/ska and I like orbital too. ((ANY OTHER PUNK
> ROCKERS OUT THERE????!)) ummmmm I heard Orbital on the radio one day
> fell in love with "The Box" ...heard a live concert, fell deeeeeply in
> love and went out bought In Sides and since then the collection has been
> growin!

Skanker over here. Yeah, it's really kinda wierd. One of the headliners
for the Warped Tour (less than jake) crashed at my house a year and a half
ago when they came through Atlanta. It was really cold and they were going
to sleep in their van to save money so we let 'em crash at our place. Now
they've got videos playing on the tv screens every time I go to Tower
Records. My how things change...

> SKAboom everyone!


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From: "Morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Are We Here
Date: 22 Jul 1997 00:56:56 PDT


Hey,

I hope this doesn't piss anyone off because after all, this is my first =
on topic post for a while.  And this is also just my opinion and I was =
just wondering if anyone else felt the same.  So here goes:
I wish that ARE WE HERE was divided onto two seperate traks like OUT THER=
E SOMEWHERE is.  I personally like the second half of ARE WE HERE better =
than the first half.  Don't get me wrong, I still love the whole song, =
but I like the seconfd part more.  Same goes for OUT THERE SOMEWHERE.  =
I often find myself skipping to the second half instead of enjoying the =
whole song.  Although right now, I'm listening to the beginning.  I find =
the song gets perfect right as the singing starts, and continues to amaze=
.  I think that is why I didn't like ARE WE HERE as much when I first got=
 it.  I listened to the first few minutes and decided to try the next son=
g.  But once I actually took the time to listen to the whole thing, I lov=
ed it.  Well, if anyone shares my opinion, mail me, I would prefer no hos=
tile flames though.

cya
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From: James Titchmarsh <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Headlights
Date: 22 Jul 1997 08:46:49 -0400


[e-mail] wrote:

"this is for all you un-imaginitve brats who just want to look like paul
and
phil [to fullfill your sports-star like longings to as well be a musical
god]
by wearing, buy and discussing headlights.

Style

While one should always study the method of a great artist, one should
never
imitate his manner. The manner of an artist is essentially individual, th=
e
method of an artist is absolutely universal. The first is personality,
which
no one should copy; the second is perfection, which all should aim at.

Oscar Wilde (1854-1900), Anglo-Irish playwright, author. Dramatic Review
(London, 20 Feb. 1886)."


WHOAH there, surely a person or group of people can dress or act in any w=
ay
they choose (as long as its not illegal) and if by doing so they are
advertising to others present that they have a certain amount of devotion=

to, and respect for a particular artist(s) then how is that a bad thing.

The manner of an artist IS individual, that is why we all like Orbital so=

much, and yeah so i'm copying them, but everyone who's ever been to a rav=
e
and blown a whistle is copying someone, everyone who's bought one of thos=
e
little lasers and danced around shining it a people is copying someone. M=
y
point is i know i'm copying them, but it's not harming anyone, it drew
peoples attention away from the fact that i can dance about as well a blu=
e
whale on stilts trying to dance to Aphex twin, and i got a smile from Pau=
l
and Phil. I dunno is they where smiling coz they thought i was an idiot, =
or
if they thought it was funny or if they where flattered or what, but they=

smiled and so did i and so did the people who asked if they could borrow
them to dance in for a few minutes, so go piss on someone elses parade.

jimbo



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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) techno everywhere
Date: 22 Jul 1997 05:25:52 PDT


hmm oddly enough in the past few months i've been hearing older albums
buy these new mainstream bands being played as opposed to their new
stuff. Just the other say i was in the back of a truck at a red light
and someone pulled next to me playing LUSH 3-1 in his car. I felt like
jumping out onto his hood and yelling "I love that song" and I just
logged in at work here (wearing  my prodigy tshirt) and the construction
guys in the next room just put in Music for the Jilted Generation. Not
once have I heard anyne playing anything from In Sides or Fat of the
Land. go Figyer >:)

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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) saying bye
Date: 22 Jul 1997 13:44:21 +0200



Hey guys...

I'm off for my summer vacation. I'll be gone at least two weeks,
so I guess I'll see you all when I get back.
I do not plan to unsubscribe, so I beg all of ya to be kind to my
Inbox.
The Orbital ICQ list development is suspended for the moment,
although I am now wondering why I didn't left someone else in
charge.. shite..
I wanna wish all of you a good summer and lotsa new cool CDs.

And guys... esp Dig, EA and Loopz... go easy on the tetris,
will ya ? :)

Daniel
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From: Matthew Bloch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Are We Here
Date: 22 Jul 1997 17:16:37 +0100


In message <[e-mail]822>
          "Morpheus" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I hope this doesn't piss anyone off because after all, this is my first  on
> topic post for a while.  And this is also just my opinion and I was  just
> wondering if anyone else felt the same.  So here goes: I wish that ARE WE
> HERE was divided onto two seperate traks like OUT THER E SOMEWHERE is.

I'm not a fan of the track because of this inconsistency: it starts off well,
and then the sampling becomes a little too random for my liking.  I skip to
part two of Out There Somewhere? too sometimes, since part one seems to
degenerate in the same way.  I think I prefer Orbital when they're doing
slightly 'cleaner' music like The Girl With The Sun In Her Head.

On which note, who *is* Sally Harding?  (email if this is a boring, FAQ'd
question).

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From: Sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Headlights
Date: 22 Jul 1997 14:13:19 EDT


> this is for all you un-imaginitve brats who just want to look like paul and
phil [to fullfill your sports-star like longings to as well be a musical god]
by wearing, buy and discussing headlights.

Do I sniffa flame here? Obviously a very inexperienced mailer with no idea how
to act in an adult environemnt. How terribly sad! I think its up to us how we
choose to look, hey?

And by the way, Oscar who?



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) commentary from the media
Date: 22 Jul 1997 14:56:00 -0400



     anyone out there get new york magazine? the july 7 issue had a picture
     of the brothers hartnoll glowing in  blue lights,  announcing their
     headlining of Lollapalooza '97.

     "In a welcome recovery from last year's Metallica-led lapse into
     testosto-rock, Lollapalooza regains some musical currency, thanks to
     the wittily wacked-out British dance headliners, Orbital." But no
     mention of techno!

     wittily wacked out?!?


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Headlights
Date: 22 Jul 1997 14:36:00 -0400


Message authorized by:
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     yes, it's a bit on the extreme side to call us some of us bunch of
     brats. but oh well. sticks and stones...you think trekkies go through
     this type of abuse too?


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phil [to fullfill your sports-star like longings to as well be a musical god]
by wearing, buy and discussing headlights.

Do I sniffa flame here? Obviously a very inexperienced mailer with no idea how
to act in an adult environemnt. How terribly sad! I think its up to us how we
choose to look, hey?

And by the way, Oscar who?



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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) opus iii >:[
Date: 22 Jul 1997 11:23:53 PDT


i don't suppose someone can reffer me to a website with info on OPUS III
or tell me who I can email to get some info on them?

I saw that their album GURU MOTHER was on the eastwest records label so
i looked at their website and checked aout every crack and crevice of
that website and couldn't find a SINGLE email address for anything so i
cudn't email them, saw they were a branch or warner music in the uk so i
went to their website and dug for an email address... !!!ANY!!! email
address but cudn't find a single one. jesus CHRIST!!! who do i have to
kill to find some info on this band?

thanks,
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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) the LUSH 3's, IMPACT, & REMIND
Date: 22 Jul 1997 11:50:58 PDT


hmm ok i know lush 3-1 and 3-2 flow into one another and then IMPACT and
REMIND all combine with those two for one continuous string of music on
the ORBITAL 2. I bought DIVERSIONS and noticed that there's a LUSH 3,
3-3,3-4, and 3-5.. oddly enough released earler than the album with 3-1
and 3-2 AND the ones on diversions are in the opposite order! Hmmm Is
there some kind of secret order that lush
3,3-1,3-2,3-3,3-4,3-5,Impact,and Remind are supposed to go in to make
one big continuous song? Also.. Is there a LUSH2 or a LUSH1? hehe might
sound silly but it WOULD make sense now wouldn't it? hehe >:P

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Subject: Re: (orbital) Headlights
Date: 22 Jul 1997 14:36:00 -0400


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     yes, it's a bit on the extreme side to call us some of us bunch of
     brats. but oh well. sticks and stones...you think trekkies go through
     this type of abuse too?


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by wearing, buy and discussing headlights.

Do I sniffa flame here? Obviously a very inexperienced mailer with no idea how
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Subject: (orbital) commentary from the media
Date: 22 Jul 1997 14:56:00 -0400



     anyone out there get new york magazine? the july 7 issue had a picture
     of the brothers hartnoll glowing in  blue lights,  announcing their
     headlining of Lollapalooza '97.

     "In a welcome recovery from last year's Metallica-led lapse into
     testosto-rock, Lollapalooza regains some musical currency, thanks to
     the wittily wacked-out British dance headliners, Orbital." But no
     mention of techno!

     wittily wacked out?!?


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From: "Warren" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: (orbital) Are We Here
Date: 22 Jul 1997 17:16:22 -0300




----------
> From: Morpheus <[e-mail]>
> To: list <[e-mail]>
> Subject: (orbital) Are We Here
> Date: Tuesday, July 22, 1997 4:56 AM
>
>
> Hey,
>
> I hope this doesn't piss anyone off because after all, this is my first
on topic post for a while.  And this is also just my opinion and I was just
wondering if anyone else felt the same.  So here goes:
> I wish that ARE WE HERE was divided onto two seperate traks like OUT
THERE SOMEWHERE is.  I personally like the second half of ARE WE HERE
better than the first half.  Don't get me wrong, I still love the whole
song, but I like the seconfd part more.  Same goes for OUT THERE SOMEWHERE.
 I often find myself skipping to the second half instead of enjoying the
whole song.  Although right now, I'm listening to the beginning.  I find
the song gets perfect right as the singing starts, and continues to amaze.
I think that is why I didn't like ARE WE HERE as much when I first got it.
I listened to the first few minutes and decided to try the next song.  But
once I actually took the time to listen to the whole thing, I loved it.
Well, if anyone shares my opinion, mail me, I would prefer no hostile
flames though.
>
> cya
> Morpheus
>
>>>
I totally agree with you.  I would have liked it better if Orbital divided
'Are We Here' into two separate tracks like 'Out There Somewhere.'  I never
really listened to the song until I saw the video for it which only played
the second half of the album version.  So, being the lazy bum that I am, I
decided to record the second half to a tape and listened to it all day. :-)
(By the way, does the single of 'Are We Here' have an edit version/second
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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Are We Here
Date: 22 Jul 1997 14:32:10 -0700


On Tuesday, July 22, 1997 12:57 AM, Morpheus [SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:

> I wish that ARE WE HERE was divided onto two seperate traks like OUT THERE
> SOMEWHERE is.  I personally like the second half of ARE WE HERE better than

I wish they kept Out There Somewhere? as one long track!


Shaun
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From: James Titchmarsh <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital Animated Cursor
Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:59:51 -0400



The list won't support transfering files, but if anyone wants it, mail me=

and i'll be happy to send it.

Its the five green oscilloscope type images from the Orbital homepage sho=
wn
one after the other, Its 256 colour and its 32 x 32 pixels (win95 only, b=
ut
then you knew that).

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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) out there somewhere?
Date: 22 Jul 1997 10:36:45 PDT


what album is OUT THERE SOMEWHERE on?

thanks,

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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fw: (orbital) Are We Here
Date: 22 Jul 1997 19:23:02 -0500 (CDT)


On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Warren wrote:

->> From: Morpheus <[e-mail]>
->>
->> Hey,
->>
->> I wish that ARE WE HERE was divided onto two seperate traks like OUT
->THERE SOMEWHERE is.  I personally like the second half of ARE WE HERE
->better than the first half.  Don't get me wrong, I still love the whole
->song, but I like the seconfd part more.  Same goes for OUT THERE SOMEWHERE.
-> I often find myself skipping to the second half instead of enjoying the
->whole song.  Although right now, I'm listening to the beginning.  I find
->the song gets perfect right as the singing starts, and continues to amaze.
->I think that is why I didn't like ARE WE HERE as much when I first got it.
->I listened to the first few minutes and decided to try the next song.  But
->once I actually took the time to listen to the whole thing, I loved it.
->Well, if anyone shares my opinion, mail me, I would prefer no hostile
->flames though.
->> cya
->> Morpheus
->>>>
->I totally agree with you.  I would have liked it better if Orbital divided
->'Are We Here' into two separate tracks like 'Out There Somewhere.'  I never
->really listened to the song until I saw the video for it which only played
->the second half of the album version.  So, being the lazy bum that I am, I
->decided to record the second half to a tape and listened to it all day. :-)
->(By the way, does the single of 'Are We Here' have an edit version/second
->half like the video?)
->
->
I think this sounds like a good idea. Something about that nuclear attack
stuff gets me out of the mood to hear the rest of Are We Here.

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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Are We Here
Date: 22 Jul 1997 17:54:39 PDT


Hey!

>On which note, who *is* Sally Harding?  (email if this is a boring,
FAQ'd
>question).

As far as I know, Sally Harding is, well was a photographer.  As a
matter of fact, she took most of the pictures that are on Diversions...

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Subject: Re: (orbital) planet dog?
Date: 22 Jul 1997 20:00:10 -0500 (CDT)


On 07/21/97 13:46:37 you wrote:
>
>
>Hello all....I've been into Eat Static for a while, and I'm just starting to
>get into Banco de Gaia.  Anyway, I was wondering if anyone could tell me if
>the other artists on Planet Dog are as good as the aforementioned 2.
>
>Thanks,
>Matt
>

My favs on the planet dog label are Children of the Bong and Timeshard ......really great stuff.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Re: (non-orbital)Banco de Gaia
Date: 23 Jul 1997 00:04:37 -0400 (EDT)


New Banco album out any day and a US tour in September!!....including San
Francisco...any other fans?


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From: Robert Uglesich <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: (non-orbital)Banco de Gaia
Date: 23 Jul 1997 00:11:59 -0400 (EDT)


On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

>
> New Banco album out any day and a US tour in September!!....including San
> Francisco...any other fans?
>
>

it's been out since july 8.  just picked it up last week.  be warned, the
album sounds a lot more like "maya" than "last train to lhasa" for those
of you who have a preference.

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From: Brian McMichael <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) my first post
Date: 23 Jul 1997 00:27:33 -0500


Hi,
  Ive been on the list for quite some time now and this is my first post.
I'm wondering why I haven't seen anyone mention the orbital site at
http://www.rise.co.uk/orbital its not a bad site and you can buy orbital
stuff there.  I'm working on a site and I'm putting links to orbital
related sites on it so if you want me to put that on mail me or get ahold
of me somehow, Im planning on getting ICQ tonight maybe. My site is at
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3050 tell me what you think.
Also. If anyone knows where I can get Orbital LP's Im all ears, I love
collecting vinyls.  Hopefully this will be the first of many posts. See you
on IRC.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) just chillin with orbital
Date: 23 Jul 1997 02:03:44 -0400 (EDT)


well, i was hanging out with orbital the other day at lollapalooza in
hartford, ct.  they were a bunch of cool guys, really down to earth.  i was
actually lucky enough to get backstage, too, so i got to chill with tricky.
 yeah, orbital was just what i expected, but a lot nicer -- real humble.
 write me if you want to know anything else -- how they acted, which of their
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From: Robert Bremec <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) yellow album
Date: 23 Jul 1997 08:33:54 +0100


Hi

I noticed that Yellow CD (Internal Records) contains 11 songs but only
10 mentioned by name on the back of CD.
Why?

Robert


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:What are the boyz up to now ?
Date: 23 Jul 1997 7:45:27 BST


1. anyone know if the orbital is planning on preforming in the uk next
month ?

No :)
Its now sit down and do that album that they should have done by now!
<sound of whipping> <GRIN>

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) re:Channel4 and Loopz
Date: 23 Jul 1997 8:49:03 BST


Just received the review of the Loopz magazine and website , which was
previewed on Channel 4's (Uk Tv) "The Void".

It states...

"Devoted to a techno duo Orbital, this is a highly informed detailed and
above all, dedicated zine. This issue features a lengthy interview with
Phil and Paul Hartnoll themselves, a chat with Aphex Twin plus news and
reviews of a technoid nature."
"Loopz is suitably wired with its own website competing with the official
one. If youre online you can email Loopz via [e-mail]".

Naturally i paid them thousands for this.... :)

For more info then goto to the Loopz site
Http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa       (type exactly what u see..)
go to the Loopz issue link (in the middle of Orbital and Schematix).

Please note - i now have a Us address u can buy Loopz from (in dollars!).

Cheers

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Subject: (orbital) afx, alec empire, and other off-topic stuff
Date: 23 Jul 1997 03:54:05 -0400 (EDT)


ok, I'm a little tired, so this might be a little disjointed, but oh well.  I
should at least be able to avoid being rude =)
First off, has anyone heard of/heard AFX's "Animal Bloodbath EP"?  Is it
worth undertaking the massive effort it will require to find it around here?
 On an Orbital-related RDJ note, has RDJ ever remixed any Orbital tunes?
Okay, next topic...I'd always been sort of turned off to Alec Empire after
hearing 22:24 or whatever the hell it's called....but now I'm getting into
Atari Teenage Riot, and was wondering if the rest of his solo work is
actually worth picking up.  On a sidenote, it's a bad idea to drive while
playing ATR....I kept having this inexorable urge to ram people....oh well.

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From: Matthew Bloch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) yellow album / secret tracks
Date: 23 Jul 1997 09:21:01 +0100


In message <[e-mail]>
          Robert Bremec <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I noticed that Yellow CD (Internal Records) contains 11 songs but only
> 10 mentioned by name on the back of CD.
> Why?

The 11th track just seems to be a nasty grating noise-- the sort of annoyance
some bands feel it's their duty to irritate their listeners with.  One of
them 'secret' tracks.

Apparently, the best place for hiding these is before track 1, since the
listener doesn't actually hear them unless he rewinds the CD as soon as it
starts.  Well, I liked the idea :)

Now I've started rambling on the topic, the Stone Roses found a quite
inventive hiding place: they had their 14 regular tracks on the CD, but the
CD showed 99 tracks.  The remainder were all a few seconds of silence, except
for 90 which was the (horrible) 'secret' track.

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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fw: (orbital) Are We Here
Date: 23 Jul 1997 05:39:17 PDT


>I think this sounds like a good idea. Something about that nuclear
attack
>stuff gets me out of the mood to hear the rest of Are We Here.

speaking of that nuclear attack part... what exactly does that one guy
yell.. It's "something something nuclear attack"... what's the something
something? I can't make it out..

thanks,
 -the BrAiN-

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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) flavour of the month
Date: 23 Jul 1997 05:48:32 PDT


Anyone else get this weird phenomenon with orbital music?? I've got a
bunch of their cd's and I've heard all the songs on em and i'll really
get into one of the songs, then someone will mention something about
some other song and i'll think "hmmm" and listen to it and think whoa...
this is awesome, and this keeps repeating like once a month or so. I
used to just like most of orbital's songs but every once in a while when
listening to a song something will just snap, and i'll notice something
about it that i never noticed b4... Kinda' the opposite of most of my
tastes in music. Normally I'll love something from the start and play it
to death as i go, but with orbital it's like to more i hear it, the more
i like it. I've heard Halcyon & On & On, and The girl with the sun in
her head, Adnan's, etc a million times and for some strange reason it
gets better... Hmmm must be some kind of subliminal message that
safeguards the music against playing-to-death...

peace,
 -the BrAiN-

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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) OT chembros and daft punk/awards
Date: 23 Jul 1997 06:12:00 PDT


Hmmm.... rather odd how SETTING SUN by the chem bros and DA FUNK by daft
punk were nominated as breakthrough videos for the music awards. Still
barealy anyone had ever heard of the chem bros until BRbeats... and no
one i know has ever seen the video for Da Funk. I've only seen around
the world on AMP. Mtv usually nominated videos that launch artist into
mainstream mtv. Daft Punk for breakthrough video??? hmm maybe i've
seen/heard it and just can't remember.

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From: "Matthew Bohl" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) (non-orbital)Banco de Gaia
Date: 23 Jul 1997 06:40:33 -0700



Yes, I am a big Banco fan, oh, and Banco is doing the Big Top tour, which
is a ton of ambient type groups!!  Also on the bill is Aphex Twin and a few
others I cant remember...

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From: [e-mail] (Simon Bird)
Subject: (orbital) flavour of the month
Date: 23 Jul 1997 09:09:33 CDT



Brian wrote:

>....but with orbital it's like to more i hear it, the more
> i like it.

This is merely an indication of just how damn GOOD Orbital are,
as if we all didn't know.  One of the reasons I'm attracted to
P&P's masterful composition is that their tunes tend to be uniquely
accessable and yet complex.  Most tracks are pleasing to the ear on
first and second listening and yet the better you know them, the
more they grow on you.  Like a delightful musical fungus (well,
I am a biologist).  So, I agree with you Bri.  I've found myself
replaying say Belfast, or Choice, and getting blown away all over
again.  One of the great things about this list is the discussion
re. specific tunes; makes you rush home, plug in, and listen
with a new perspective.  There's a lot going on in most Orbital
ditties, but there's no in-your-face slap-you-around cluttering at
all.  Takes a special talent to produce stuff like that.  And I
guess that's why we're here.

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From: -Niall C Christie- <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Are We Here
Date: 23 Jul 1997 15:15:32 +0100 (BST)



>I wish they kept Out There Somewhere? as one long track!

I completely agree, I like just putting albums on random to vary the order
a bit and In Sides, as an album with 6 unrelated songs, should be perfect
for this but as they split The Box and OTS? into two parts I get the two
halves in separate chunks and it breaks the continuity.

For the record, I prefer the first halves of OTS and Are We Here? better.

The guy on Are We Here says "Warning, warning nuclear attack". Someone was
wanting to know that I think.

I haven't seen the video for Are We Here but I'd imagine it'd be the video
for the radio edit, which is on the Are We Here single (both UK and US I
believe).

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From: -Niall C Christie- <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) yellow album
Date: 23 Jul 1997 15:18:51 +0100 (BST)


The 11th song is only about 50 seconds long and is just a repeated sound.
It's called "I think it's disgusting." It isn't listed probably just
because it's so short and not really a proper song as such, though I'd
hardly call it a hidden track as it starts just after Belfast finishes,
there's no half hour of silence or anything.

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> Why?



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From: -Niall C Christie- <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) OT chembros and daft punk/awards
Date: 23 Jul 1997 15:23:21 +0100 (BST)


If you'd seen the Da Funk video I'd think you'd probably remember it. It
featured some guy who had a dog's head walking about the city talking to
people and stuff, holding a radio which was playing the song. It was
pretty cool actually, but very weird.

And loads of people had heard of the Chems before BRBeats. They had a
number one here in Britain with Setting Sun.

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>
> Hmmm.... rather odd how SETTING SUN by the chem bros and DA FUNK by daft
> punk were nominated as breakthrough videos for the music awards. Still
> barealy anyone had ever heard of the chem bros until BRbeats... and no
> one i know has ever seen the video for Da Funk. I've only seen around
> the world on AMP. Mtv usually nominated videos that launch artist into
> mainstream mtv. Daft Punk for breakthrough video??? hmm maybe i've
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Subject: (orbital) Non-Orbital Thing but interesting just the same
Date: 23 Jul 1997 10:25:47 -0400 (EDT)


I just recently (yesterday) got a copy of HumanMeshDance's
"thesecretnumbertwelve".  If you are in to ambient you will definately dig
this disc...It is more tranquilizing than..."the Tranquilizer" !  Seriously,
In Sides has plenty of ambient texture and if you dig that, this is an album
I highly recommend (or do I recommend it when I'm high ? :)

The tracks on this disc really put you into that space groove/underwater feel
of aural bliss acheived on many orbital songs.  Ever listen to an Orbital
song while reading or something...and your mond just begins to wander off,
your eyes slide off the page and into a blurry haze of seemingly unconnected
thoughts of a trance, encapsulated in a mesh of lush sound and fascinating
structure.

Well, after the cops bust you for using hallucinogens...you can enjoy this
album mucho with all that free time you have while being incarcerated!

David

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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) yellow album
Date: 23 Jul 1997 07:35:49 PDT


which one is the yellow album? Diversions and In Sides both seem yellow
to me

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From: -Niall C Christie- <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) yellow album
Date: 23 Jul 1997 15:49:44 +0100 (BST)


The yellow album is generally called the Green album usually. I don't
think it has an actual name other than "Orbital."

It is Orbital's first album, from 1991. It's the one with Chime in it, and
the US version had Choice and Satan. It's got a sort of green/yellow cover
with the word "CD" in the middle in red, on the CD version anway, the
cassette has "MC" in the middle, I haven't got the vinyl so I don't know
about that.

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From: Brian Lorraine <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) OT / hehe prodigy
Date: 23 Jul 1997 09:00:59 -0400


http://www.billboard.com/peek/peekpic2.gif

sorry, i just like to find really old pics of the prodigy ot show ppl
and watch them gasp and they saw "OH MY GOD!!! they used to look like
that?!??!?!"

hehe

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From: "Chris.Hilker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Various Replies
Date: 23 Jul 1997 08:27:15 -0700


>what album is OUT THERE SOMEWHERE on?

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>First off, has anyone heard of/heard AFX's "Animal Bloodbath EP"?  Is it
>worth undertaking the massive effort it will require to find it around here?

No such record exists. That idm post was obviously a joke.

>On an Orbital-related RDJ note, has RDJ ever remixed any Orbital tunes?

No.

>Yes, I am a big Banco fan, oh, and Banco is doing the Big Top tour, which
>is a ton of ambient type groups!!  Also on the bill is Aphex Twin and a few
>others I cant remember...

Aphex is NOT on the bill and never has been, although that hasn't stopped
the promoters from using his name to get publicity for their crap tour.

C.

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Subject: (orbital) Prodigy PIC!! :D
Date: 23 Jul 1997 12:31:46 -0400 (EDT)


HA! It looks like Kool and the Gang meets the Backstreet Boys or the New Kids
on the Block!! Ha ha!! That is one funny pic, Bri.
--->munch


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and watch them gasp and they saw "OH MY GOD!!! they used to look like
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) (non-orbital)Banco de Gaia
Date: 23 Jul 1997 13:14:52 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-07-23 09:47:26 EDT, you write:

<< Yes, I am a big Banco fan, oh, and Banco is doing the Big Top tour, which
 is a ton of ambient type groups!!  Also on the bill is Aphex Twin and a few
 others I cant remember... >>
The bill includes Banco, BT, Moby, and LTJ Bukem, with others joining/leaving
the tour as it progresses.  Last I heard tho, Aphex dropped out of the
tour...which is a shame, cos I've been wanting to catch him for a while.

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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Various Replies /AFX
Date: 23 Jul 1997 09:37:04 PDT


>>Yes, I am a big Banco fan, oh, and Banco is doing the Big Top tour,
which
>>is a ton of ambient type groups!!  Also on the bill is Aphex Twin and
a few
>>others I cant remember...
>
>Aphex is NOT on the bill and never has been, although that hasn't
stopped
>the promoters from using his name to get publicity for their crap tour.

Aphex Twin should be on the big top tour. He and moby started it,
supposedly he IS going to be on the tour. Check out the story on it at:
Moby, Aphex Twin to Launch Big Top Tour [6.19.97]
http://www.mtv.com/news/gallery/a/aphex970619.html

ehh i could be wrong. mtv often has their info messed up.

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From:    Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) OT chembros and daft punk/awards
Date: 23 Jul 1997 15:45:45 -0300 (ADT)


On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Brian Lorraine wrote:

> mainstream mtv. Daft Punk for breakthrough video??? hmm maybe i've
> seen/heard it and just can't remember.

I rather enjoy it myself.  It's got a very McGruff looking dog walking
through a city.  Directed by Spike Jonez (SP?) it's something to keep the
kiddies attention while they ignore the music.



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From: Didger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: (non-orbital)Banco de Gaia
Date: 23 Jul 1997 11:53:40 -0700 (PDT)


> > New Banco album out any day and a US tour in September!!....including San
> > Francisco...any other fans?
> >
> >
>
> it's been out since july 8.  just picked it up last week.  be warned, the
> album sounds a lot more like "maya" than "last train to lhasa" for those
> of you who have a preference.

Picked it up myself last week.  I wasn't so sure about it at first.  I was
expecting something different. (despite all of the warnings of something
new)  Actually though, the more I listen to it, the more I really really
really like it.  I mean this is a really good album!! (IMO)

didger

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From: Didger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) flavour of the month
Date: 23 Jul 1997 11:59:02 -0700 (PDT)


> to death as i go, but with orbital it's like to more i hear it, the more
> i like it. I've heard Halcyon & On & On, and The girl with the sun in
> her head, Adnan's, etc a million times and for some strange reason it
> gets better... Hmmm must be some kind of subliminal message that

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From: "Chris Brittain" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) OT Chems & Daft PUnk & othyer stuff
Date: 23 Jul 1997 20:12:33 UT


>Hmmm.... rather odd how SETTING SUN by the chem bros and DA FUNK by daft
>punk were nominated as breakthrough videos for the music awards. Still
>barealy anyone had ever heard of the chem bros until BRbeats... and no
>one i know has ever seen the video for Da Funk. I've only seen around
>the world on AMP. Mtv usually nominated videos that launch artist into
>mainstream mtv. Daft Punk for breakthrough video??? hmm maybe i've
>seen/heard it and just can't remember.

You can't have seen the Daft Punk vid without remembering it, it's got this
guy
with a dogs head mask and a leg in plaster, and a ghetto blaster
(hey cool rhyme) wandering around some city or other and loadsa stuff happens.
 Kinda weird but it's really cool. As for the Chems in the UK most peoples
first taste was Setting Sun. I reckon the best vid I've seen is the one for
The Box by Orbital. I haven't seen any of the other Orbital vids though
Incidentally since The Box vid I've seen loadsa other videos with that
speedy uppy thing only cheating and superimposing the (ahem) artists
(hem spice girls for example) on top so they don't have to go slow for
ages were Orbital first or what?

Pete


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) orb- Peel Sessions 1
Date: 23 Jul 1997 17:00:50 -0400 (EDT)


I've got an extra Orb- Peel Sessions 1 CD (Huge.., Back Side.., and Into The
Fourth..)

Is anyone interested in a trade??

E-mail me!!!!!!!!

Brent
[e-mail]

PS Looking for Orb and Orbital - possibly the forty minute "Blue Room" (plus
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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) OT chembros and daft punk/awards
Date: 23 Jul 1997 14:04:48 PDT


Hey...
Don't know how relavent my comments will be, I'm in Canada and we get
MuchMusic, not Mtv, but I'm gonna say it anyways...

Here, they played Setting sun to death... a lot of people here heard
about them and got into them before BRBeats... Um, if you've seen the
video for Da Funk, you'll remember it, it's the one with the dog... a
lot of parts in it have talking over the song... I like it.  If you've
seen it, you'll know what I mean.

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From: Cyrus P Mcnally <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) (non-orbital) Banco de Gaia
Date: 23 Jul 1997 14:18:05 -0700 (PDT)


> New Banco album out any day and a US tour in September!!....including
San Francisco...any other fans?
>
> it's been out since july 8.  just picked it up last week.  be warned, the
> album sounds a lot more like "maya" than "last train to lhasa" for those
> of you who have a preference.

    I have the new album but I don't have any other ones. I like it
fairly well, but I'm wondering what their (his) old ones sound like. Could
anyone tell me about them?
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From: Matthew Bloch <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Videos?
Date: 23 Jul 1997 20:14:42 +0100


There's a thought: are there any official Orbital concert videos floating
around?  I know it wouldn't do the visuals justice to have them played back
through a crappy VHS recorder on a 14" screen, but it'd be a pleasant
reminder.  Ideas anyone?

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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Message Bounce: Re: (orbital) the LUSH 3's, IMPACT, & REMIND (fwd)
Date: 23 Jul 1997 22:01:49 -0500 (CDT)



Grrrrrr. Scroll down, guys.


                            Reality

"Be Objective, Be Selective"

 - Isabelle Cole, Orbital 2 CD foldout

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> To: Brian Lorraine <[e-mail]>
> cc: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (orbital) the LUSH 3's, IMPACT, & REMIND
> On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Brian Lorraine wrote:
> ->
> ->hmm ok i know lush 3-1 and 3-2 flow into one another and then IMPACT and
> ->REMIND all combine with those two for one continuous string of music on
> ->the ORBITAL 2. I bought DIVERSIONS and noticed that there's a LUSH 3,
> ->3-3,3-4, and 3-5.. oddly enough released earler than the album with 3-1
> ->and 3-2 AND the ones on diversions are in the opposite order! Hmmm Is
> ->there some kind of secret order that lush
> ->3,3-1,3-2,3-3,3-4,3-5,Impact,and Remind are supposed to go in to make
> ->one big continuous song? Also.. Is there a LUSH2 or a LUSH1? hehe might
> ->sound silly but it WOULD make sense now wouldn't it? hehe >:P

 I have thought about this too. I wish Orbital would release another Lush,
 I don't care what number it is!
>
>
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>
> "Be Objective, Be Selective"
>
>  - Isabelle Cole, Orbital 2 CD foldout
>
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From: Brian McMichael <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Dante's Orbital
Date: 23 Jul 1997 22:23:00 -0500


My personal reply to the thing said somewhere else about reading and
listening to orbital.  Make sure you're reading a good book.  While reading
Dante's Inferno (on a very long vacation to my grandma's) I played the In
Sides bonus disc repeatedly. Now whenever I hear "Sad But New," one of the
top 50 or so songs orbital has, :) i have images from hell planted in my
head, which is strange considering the song is fairly upbeat.
 anyways,
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From: "Morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) The awaiting song
Date: 23 Jul 1997 23:04:21 PDT


Hey,

This is for everyone although it's off topic.  I have finally finished =
the song I was working on witrh a friend and it is now up on the net.  =
I have mentioned this trak to many, so it's done.
Grab it
http://www.center-nebula.com/raveotek/files/IWWA.zip
I suggest a cut and paste.  Everyone check it out and mail me to tell me =
what you thought.
And no this is not a cheesey mod, We worked on it for 6 months and it sou=
nds very good in my opinion.

cya
Morpheus



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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) electronic music tours
Date: 24 Jul 1997 05:49:00 PDT


hm of i've heard about big top, and I've heard that Electric Highway (i
think it's called) fell through.. is this true?

Now i just heard about some other electronic music tour called something
like moonlights over bla bla bla or whatever.. anyone ever heard of this
one?

peace,
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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Dirty Epic
Date: 24 Jul 1997 14:51:54


Popkins!

well, since the techno-or-not debate died down this list has got a tad staid,
so I thought I'd post on this Dirtylist mailing. Dirtylist is the Underworld
mailing list, but nobody seems to care overly if they spend all their time
off-topic. In fact I'd say there's possibly more actual discussion of Orbital
there than here, for the simple reason that not everyone there likes Orbital so
you don't get the same kind of "I think Orbital are great" "So do I"
discussions you will always get on dedicated mailing lists.

remember! the slightly edited opinions expressed below are those of
[e-mail], not of me.

ian


orbital live may be lovely , but i think jules is way wrong saying that
orbital are "pushing the boundries of people perception" their last two
lps have been boring , and frankly pretty varied in quality.
the first two lps were pretty cool , but insides is really yuppie
cocksucker shite , putting mixes of the same track on , nothing on it
graps you and kicks , it's like a shifty concept lp , all like nice
medium , ok , nevr alive , but the like bon jovi belinda track i heard
at the weekend from that festival that was awesome , , i reckon they
have to bite the bullet and head toward the stayed unadventurous
commercialism of underworld , with there top ten sensibilities and no
talent no creativity approach to making their stayed boring four to the
floor house music.


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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: Dirty Epic / other lists
Date: 24 Jul 1997 07:27:22 PDT


>so I thought I'd post on this Dirtylist mailing. Dirtylist is the
Underworld
>mailing list, but nobody seems to care overly if they spend all their
time
>off-topic. In fact I'd say there's possibly more actual discussion of
Orbital

hmm is there  a prodigy mailing list? I wanna post that retarded picure
of the prodigy on there from like 6 years ago to disillusion all those
people on the list that think prodigy is a punk band and untruthfully
claim that they've "always been into the prodigy". hehe u know the kind.


>lps have been boring , and frankly pretty varied in quality.
>the first two lps were pretty cool , but insides is really yuppie
>cocksucker shite , putting mixes of the same track on , nothing on it
>graps you and kicks , it's like a shifty concept lp , all like nice

GASP!! hehe most ppl that don't like orbital, don't like em cuz they
don't know how to examine or feel the music. This guy actually appears..
gasp.. dare i saw it.. INTELLIGENT. hehe. Hehe nonetheless i still hate
band-bashing.  Even if i hate a particular artist i'll never say that
"THEY SUCK", "THE MUSIC IS BORING, BLA BLA" or whatever.. i'll just say
"i don't care for it". I don't like offending ppl and it just seems to
me when u insult a piece of music thats someone loves, you're insulting
that person as well. EHh well that's just my 2 nuts about it. Personally
it ticks me a bit when ppl dis my fav bands and stuff but that's human
nature, i don't let it get to me and everyone is entitled to their own
opinion.. course saying this might ctually be kind of stupid of me,
seeeing that this paragraphs leaves another juicy debate WIIIIDE open
hehe >:)

peace,

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From: "Chris.Hilker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) OT Chems & Daft PUnk & othyer stuff
Date: 24 Jul 1997 08:04:16 -0700


>Incidentally since The Box vid I've seen loadsa other videos with that
>speedy uppy thing only cheating and superimposing the (ahem) artists
>(hem spice girls for example) on top so they don't have to go slow for
>ages were Orbital first or what?

I think the first music video to use the technique was a Neil Young one
from like 1984 (from his retro album as Neil Young & the Shocking Pinks).
In fact, that Young video used the technique more effectively, since he was
miming vocals, which made it look even stranger (although, overall,
"The Box" video is much more accomplished and emotive). But I'm sure the
technique probably originated years before the Young video, as well.

C.

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From: "Chris.Hilker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Aphex at Big Top: the Last Word
Date: 24 Jul 1997 08:09:18 -0700


From a post to the idm list ([e-mail]) by Greg Eden of Warp Records:

:richard is NOT repeat NOT doing any of those dates. full stop. i have
:just confirmed this with his proxy tour manager.

Don't trust any news you get from MTV or Rolling Stone unless you can
confirm it with a reliable source.

C.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) non-orbital [i need help]
Date: 24 Jul 1997 12:46:01 -0400 (EDT)


if i just used this list as a personal message board, you all would probably
get really pissed. so i will say some orbital stuff first, and then put my
main point second.

on insides, does anyone know what

'dwr budr'  and 'adnan's'  means?

also, does anyone have any information on orbital's work with greenpeace?  i
have read some things about the recording of 'the girl with the sun in her
hair', but not much else.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
dear loyal orbital fans,
      i am an architecture student looking for an internship.  i have tried
using the online yellow pages for england with no avail.  can someone in the
london area help me find the address and phone number of a certain office.

here are the details:

zaha m. hadid architect
all i know about her office is that it is in an old victorian school house in
the east end.

you may recognize the name from her entry to the 'cardiff bay opera house'
competition for cardiff bay, wales.  [she won, but they won't build her
design]

also she has done the firestation on the vitra furniture company campus in
wheil am rhein, germany.

first person to send me the *correct* information will get a nice surprise to
be decided upon later.

thanks for your help,

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From: Sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Oscar Wilde
Date: 24 Jul 1997 13:49:42 EDT


> He's an English poet from the turn of the century ( I forget
exactly when he died but I think it was around 1900).  He wrote such plays
as The Importance of being Earnest and other quite witty plays.  He was
imprisoned because he was gay also.  Essentially, he was a very smart and
witty person who could make use of these qualities in his social
commentaries.  But after telling you all this, please tell me you were
joking!

Ah, actually Greg I was joking - I did English Literature at college and I know
all about Wilde. I added that comment because I considered Scott's comments
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From: Tom Priore <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) When visiting London....
Date: 24 Jul 1997 13:52:14 -0400


I'm a very big fan of orbital, and electronic music in general. The Emusic
scene is pretty crap where I live but I'll be in London on business august
12 through the 20. Does any one know of any interesting concerts or places
I should go to?

Tom Priore
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Subject: Re: (orbital) Oscar Wilde
Date: 24 Jul 1997 14:50:00 -0400


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NO NO NO NO!! Oscar WIlde is IRISH. He was imprisoned for lewd behavior: having
sex with his lover, who happened to be the son of a marquis. The marquis exposed
him as a homosexual and he was imprisoned for being sodomy. This year marks the
100th anniversary of his release. Also, he was BRILLIANT. One of the wittiest
writers ever...

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exactly when he died but I think it was around 1900).  He wrote such plays
as The Importance of being Earnest and other quite witty plays.  He was
imprisoned because he was gay also.  Essentially, he was a very smart and
witty person who could make use of these qualities in his social
commentaries.  But after telling you all this, please tell me you were
joking!

Ah, actually Greg I was joking - I did English Literature at college and I know
all about Wilde. I added that comment because I considered Scott's comments
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From: -Niall C Christie- <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Oscar Wilde
Date: 24 Jul 1997 20:17:47 +0100 (BST)


Umm...Oscar Wilde on the Orbital list? Did I miss something? He's not
doing some vocals for some new Orbital song is he, that'd be quite
interesting to witness. Is this another of these Orbital - The Orb -
William Orbit - Oscar Wilde type conversations?


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> NO NO NO NO!! Oscar WIlde is IRISH. He was imprisoned for lewd behavior: having
> writers ever...
> > He's an English poet from the turn of the century ( I forget
> all about Wilde. I added that comment because I considered Scott's comments
etc etc



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From: [e-mail] (Chris Yates)
Subject: (orbital) NO: Wilde Orbital Fans
Date: 24 Jul 1997 16:18:39 +0000


Oscar Wilde is completely relevant to this list, as well as most
off-topic posts are, in the sense that the topic has interest to a few
members of the list. The subject indicates what one should expect so if
you're not interested, don't read it. If people like O.W., Orbital,
Banco de Gaia and other bands, and want to talk about them so what?
Orbital is still the gravity at the center of it all.

The techno-naming debate never happened for me   :P

Anyways, having just returned from Ireland and having been recommended
Herr Wilde, I've just begun to read him. Lo and behold he emerges on the
list. It's people like him that make English a Romance language.

Oscar on Orbital's craft:
"We can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he does not
admire it. The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one
admires it intensely.
All art is quite useless"

ùOscar Wilde
Preface to "The Picture of Dorian Gray"

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From: James Titchmarsh <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Oscar Wilde ate my Video
Date: 24 Jul 1997 17:15:33 -0400



Does anyone out there have any Orbital videos, that they could sell to me=

or copy for me. I'd be more than willing to pay for the tape, the post an=
d
packing and your time.

I want them for two reasons, firstly because they're Orbital videos and
i've never even seen a large majority of them so it would be good to know=

what i'm missing, secondly because i can capture stills from video so i
could start doing Orbital wallpapers, icons, cursors, pictures etc or
whatever anyone wanted and i'm sure there must have been some great scene=
s
from the vid's that'd make cool windows wallpapers.

cheers

jimbo (u.k.)


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From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Oscar Wilde ate my Video
Date: 24 Jul 1997 16:24:37 -0500


I would like to take this opportunity...since we are talking about videos...

I am capable of converting PAL (British standard video format) to NTSC
(American video format)...
so the point here is..... If someone from England wants to sell a U.S. list
member a tape... there is no problem having the format changed so the US
guy can view it.... Or Visa Versa......

If you need more info or anything contact me privately....

[e-mail]



At 05:15 PM 7/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone out there have any Orbital videos, that they could sell to me
>or copy for me. I'd be more than willing to pay for the tape, the post and
>packing and your time.

>from the vid's that'd make cool windows wallpapers.
>cheers
>jimbo (u.k.)

Thanks,
    Digger
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S...S...S...S...S...S...S...S...S...S...Sa...Sa...Sa...Sa...Sa...Sa..Satan!


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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Dirty Epic
Date: 24 Jul 1997 19:39:41 -0500 (CDT)


On 24 Jul 1997, Ian Moore wrote:

->well, since the techno-or-not debate died down this list has got a tad staid,
->so I thought I'd post on this Dirtylist mailing. Dirtylist is the Underworld
->mailing list, but nobody seems to care overly if they spend all their time
->off-topic. In fact I'd say there's possibly more actual discussion of Orbital
->there than here, for the simple reason that not everyone there likes Orbital so
->you don't get the same kind of "I think Orbital are great" "So do I"
->discussions you will always get on dedicated mailing lists.
->
->
->From: Peter <[e-mail]>
->Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 20:17:37 +0000
->Subject: yeah and you can keep your chips. bitch
->
->orbital live may be lovely , but i think jules is way wrong saying that
->orbital are "pushing the boundries of people perception" their last two
->lps have been boring , and frankly pretty varied in quality.
->the first two lps were pretty cool , but insides is really yuppie
->cocksucker shite , putting mixes of the same track on , nothing on it
->graps you and kicks , it's like a shifty concept lp , all like nice
->medium , ok , nevr alive , but the like bon jovi belinda track i heard
->at the weekend from that festival that was awesome , , i reckon they
->have to bite the bullet and head toward the stayed unadventurous
->commercialism of underworld , with there top ten sensibilities and no
->talent no creativity approach to making their stayed boring four to the
->floor house music.
->
->

Can this guy even speak coherantly? I think UW are great, but this poster
above is full of BS.

                            Reality

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From: ed naylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Dirty Epic
Date: 25 Jul 1997 11:13:12 -0400 (EDT)



> Can this guy even speak coherantly? I think UW are great, but this poster
> above is full of BS.

Peter is Czech I believe, and doesn't do too badly IMHO.

Actually I'm surprised at such strong anti-Orbital views coming
from a dirtylister (an Underworld list member for the
uninitiated), there are often comments made about the Hartnolls
there and they are usually pretty positive.

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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Dirty Epic
Date: 25 Jul 1997 11:17:48


hello again!

->From: Peter <[e-mail]>
->Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 20:17:37 +0000
->Subject: yeah and you can keep your chips. bitch
->
->orbital live may be lovely , but i think jules is way wrong saying that
->orbital are "pushing the boundries of people perception" their last two
->lps have been boring , and frankly pretty varied in quality.
->the first two lps were pretty cool , but insides is really yuppie
->cocksucker shite , putting mixes of the same track on , nothing on it
->graps you and kicks , it's like a shifty concept lp , all like nice
->medium , ok , nevr alive , but the like bon jovi belinda track i heard
->at the weekend from that festival that was awesome , , i reckon they
->have to bite the bullet and head toward the stayed unadventurous
->commercialism of underworld , with there top ten sensibilities and no
->talent no creativity approach to making their stayed boring four to the
->floor house music.

>>Can this guy even speak coherantly? I think UW are great, but this poster
above is full of BS.<<

he does like to swear, doesn't he? The one thing I'd _maybe_ say in his favour
is that for most people I know "In:Sides" is their least favourite Orbital
album, with quite a few going so far as to describe it as "boring". Yet it's a
favourite of people on this list and did get lots of "Orbital's best album yet"
reviews.

I think what you're getting with "In:Sides" is a transitional record which is
appealing to a diferent type of audience. The earlier records were very popular
with ravers, but "In:Sides" seems to have more appeal for people who wouldn't
be caught dead near a sweaty dance floor. This seems to be a deliberate move on
behalf of the Hartnolls, with them saying things in interviews like "We don't
want to play gigs for ravers who'll dance to anything".

Underworld are great, yes.

ian


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From: Hans Lo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) OT chembros and daft punk/awards
Date: 25 Jul 1997 14:28:49 -0400


Aimee Couture wrote:

> Hey...
> Don't know how relavent my comments will be, I'm in Canada and we get
> MuchMusic, not Mtv, but I'm gonna say it anyways...
>
> Here, they played Setting sun to death... a lot of people here heard
> about them and got into them before BRBeats... Um, if you've seen the
> video for Da Funk, you'll remember it, it's the one with the dog... a
> lot of parts in it have talking over the song... I like it.  If you've
>
> seen it, you'll know what I mean.

I think MuchMusic has overplayed Breathe and The Saint far more than
they replayed Setting Sun. I've seen Breathe so many damned times I have
it totally memorized. Same goes with Oribital, although not to the same
extent. It is good to see all of the coverage, but at the same time
depressing since its basically being billed as the flavor of the month,
and each band is not recognised for all of their other numerously
brilliant work. The same applies to the Prodigy, Orbital, the Chem
Brothers, and any other group that has a current MM-favorite video on
the charts.

Hans



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Thru the darkness of Future Past the musician longs to see ...
Date: 25 Jul 1997 15:53:49 -0500


     What is up fellow humans, as I drink
Amstel Light and drown my cerebellum
in Mike and Rich (expert knob twiddlers)!
     Does anybody have a light?
     Do you dig the new Ken Isii?
      Who wants to fund Lynch's "RONNIE
      Well, even if you don't, read the script on David Lynch's web
page... total mind
fuck!                                         ROCKET"
                                                 movie?
     Does anybody dig that bad ol' shit
                   SPICY CITY           PRODIGY VS MORELLO
ENO's THE DROP                     NEO-GEO
                     ORBITAL

                           DROP A BEAT,
                           SO I KNOW WHO
                            IS ALIVE!


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From: John Stiteler <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) non-orbital [i need help]
Date: 25 Jul 1997 17:25:55 -0400


[e-mail] wrote:
>
> on insides, does anyone know what
>
> 'dwr budr'  and 'adnan's'  means?
>

I have seen it mentioned here before that "Dwr Budr" means "dirty water"
in welsh (or something).  I don't have a clue what meaning there is
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From: James Titchmarsh <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) More Cursors !!!
Date: 25 Jul 1997 17:31:47 -0400



After raiding loads of pix from the "official" Orbital site, i've done
another two Orbital animated cursors.

Orbital2.ani is another green blob that grows and shrinks and grows etc.

Orbital3.ani is six of the single covers (Are we here, mutation, omen,
raddicio, the box, times fly) that appear one after the other and look ok=

considering there 32x32 !!

anyway, same as before, if you send me a mail i'll be happy to send them =
to
you.

jimbo



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Subject: (orbital) Looking to stir up some peeps
Date: 25 Jul 1997 18:32:42 -0400 (EDT)


Hello all,

What do you think ?

I think that the regular album of the Box is rather bland and the weakest
track on In Sides.

...However, the extended version on the extra disc (with vocals etc.) is
outstanding.  I am wondering if this was the original version of the track or
did P&P go back later and fix it (to where I think it belongs damnit).
And personally I don't feel that the Box neccessarily dits on In
Sides....Adnan's and Dwr Bdr flow so nicely with each other and and then into
Out There.  I heard someone mention that this is a transitional album (as I
have also seen mentioned of in sides).  Hmm, transitional ?  It has a
definite techno (just let the term go folks, no comments) meets ambient feel
with the purpose seeming to be listenable groove music.  Whether you are at a
show or at home reading a book, Orbital fits nicely alongside the corners of
your mind.  Their old music (althoug more dancy) acheives this somewhat, so
if anything is transitional I think it might be the first couple o' albums.
 I think Orbital is recognizing the inherent power and feel of defining mood,
not just moving bodies....

Personally I remember when I didn't know what the hell ambient/trance music
was.  The section at my local record store (a really good one, not some
chain) was about the size of a shoe box and just two short years later there
are a few hundred discs.  There are now a good array of ambuent style acts
and I think Orbital is moving in that direction, but like a good band they
aren't forgetting their roots, they are just growing and evolving.

If you got this far, thanks,  and for those of you who deleted this f#@#@! :
)

Dave


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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) OT chembros and daft punk/awards
Date: 25 Jul 1997 22:00:52 PDT


Hey...

Yeah, they definatley overplayed Breathe and The Saint... It is sorta
like a flavor-of-the-month to people...  Gets played and played and
played, then people get sick of it and they move on to "the next big
thing"... It's annoying... I don't like seeing the same videos 50 times
a week... It's annoying!!

--Aimee--

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From: Ehrlich <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) off topic gusgus
Date: 26 Jul 1997 01:05:02 -0400


i am having problems finding lyrics to my fav song by gusgus.  if anyone
knows where i can find em.  email me.  im dying for em.   thanx much

Geoffrey A. Ehrlich
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"Those who live for death will die by their own hand."  -Orbital's "Choice"

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) romford?
Date: 26 Jul 1997 05:13:39 -0400 (EDT)


Hey all...while we're (sort of) talking about Underworld, what is Romford?
 It pops up fairly often in their songs...."Jesus of Romford", "...the
midnight train to Romford", etc...  I'm guessing it's a town/county in
England, but if it is, what significance does it hold?

--Matt


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) misread
Date: 26 Jul 1997 05:20:11 -0400 (EDT)


thanks to everyone who let me in about dwr budr.

the help i really needed had todo with finding the address of architect zaha
hadid's office in london.

don't worry, i'll keep looking for it myself.

scott


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From: Brian Lorraine <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) OT daft punk /homework
Date: 26 Jul 1997 09:01:27 -0500


only hbaving remembered hearing AROUND THE WORLD i bought homework
yesterday. ANd yes woohoo i DO remember DA FUNK. the song, haven't seen
the video yet unfortunately. hehe as u guys warned me this album is VERY
repetitive, but the noises are cool.. espe3cially beyong tracks 1-7...
lots cool distorted noises set to a beat... groooooovy man, two nuts up


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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Dirty Epic
Date: 26 Jul 1997 08:45:22 -0500 (CDT)


On 25 Jul 1997, Ian Moore wrote:

->hello again!
->
->>>Can this guy even speak coherantly? I think UW are great, but this poster
->above is full of BS.<<
->
->he does like to swear, doesn't he? The one thing I'd _maybe_ say in his favour
->is that for most people I know "In:Sides" is their least favourite Orbital
->album, with quite a few going so far as to describe it as "boring". Yet it's a
->favourite of people on this list and did get lots of "Orbital's best album yet"
->reviews.
->
->I think what you're getting with "In:Sides" is a transitional record which is
->appealing to a diferent type of audience. The earlier records were very popular
->with ravers, but "In:Sides" seems to have more appeal for people who wouldn't
->be caught dead near a sweaty dance floor. This seems to be a deliberate move on
->behalf of the Hartnolls, with them saying things in interviews like "We don't
->want to play gigs for ravers who'll dance to anything".
->
->Underworld are great, yes.
->
->ian
->

In Sides is my favorite, but it's not as if the other albums are that far
behind it. I think Sniv, 2, and In Sides are probably the three best
albums I own of any group.

                            Reality

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 - Isabelle Cole, Orbital 2 CD foldout

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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) videos and visualizations
Date: 26 Jul 1997 10:37:26 PDT


Hey!
You've got it!  Is it just me, or when you listen to Orbital and
visualise, do you see a lot of green and blue and brown??  Those are
always my dominent colors... not as much blue, but still a lot...

--Aimee--

>well, u are right, but when u turn off your tv.....
>the s-sense of music is that what u think of it, what u see when u
close
>your eyes; not the way some video-freax visualize it !!! Don't let the
>masses force you; educate the masses...


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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Prodigy Box Set [off topic ]
Date: 26 Jul 1997 00:31:29 -0700


this just hot off the presses guys.  There is a new Prodigy Box set
coming out in Sept that will feature all the old classics plus remixes
of them plus a Zippo "Firestarter" lighter, a nose ring, etc.  This will
retail in the US for as high as $150 or so I'm told.  This is a German
Import that is limited to ONLY 500 copies for the whole world!  I hope
to get one.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Perfect Albums?
Date: 26 Jul 1997 17:50:16 -0400 (EDT)


Hi all...yesterday, a friend and I were having a debate on what constitutes a
perfect album.  We sort of came to the consensus that it's an album that you
can listen to all the way through w/o hitting any songs that annoy you, or
any "low" points.  Obviously, this would mean that one person's perfect
albums aren't the same as another person's, but music is pretty subjective
anyway.  I've probably found 5 perfect albums in my life (i'll list them
below if you're interested).  Anyway, I wanted to get everyone's input on
what they think a perfect album is, and maybe a few examples (if you've found
any).

--Matt

my "perfect albums"
1. Insides/Orbital (w/Times Fly bonus disc)--somehow I think about everyone
on here will agree w/me on this one =)
2. Superunknown/Soundgarden--this album made me a Soundgarden fan a couple
years ago....
3. second toughest in the infants/Underworld--this one kind of screws up my
definition...I like dubnob..more, but this one fits the definition better,
cos I hate "tongue" on dubnob...
4. Black Love/Afghan Whigs--to anyone questioning this one, "it's the lyrics,
stupid"  good lyrics can save a questionable song a lot of the time
5. SAW 1/Aphex--to date, this is the only totally ambient album I can sit all
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) romford?
Date: 26 Jul 1997 18:45:50 -0400 (EDT)


romford is the name of a city outside of london where the guys from
underworld live.  i just learned the other day [while looking at the online
london yellow pages] that benthal green is a neighborhood [or borough] and
not a color.

the midnight train to romford.


scott


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From: Brian Lorraine <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) videos and visualizations
Date: 26 Jul 1997 21:54:18 -0500


> You've got it!  Is it just me, or when you listen to Orbital and
> visualise, do you see a lot of green and blue and brown??  Those are
> always my dominent colors... not as much blue, but still a lot...
>

hmm no real colors.. just feelings, like the music is material


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From: Brian Lorraine <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Perfect Albums?
Date: 26 Jul 1997 21:58:04 -0500


[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Hi all...yesterday, a friend and I were having a debate on what constitutes a
> perfect album.  We sort of came to the consensus that it's an album that you
> can listen to all the way through w/o hitting any songs that annoy you, or
> any "low" points.  Obviously, this would mean that one person's perfect
> albums aren't the same as another person's, but music is pretty subjective
> anyway.  I've probably found 5 perfect albums in my life (i'll list them
> below if you're interested).  Anyway, I wanted to get everyone's input on
> what they think a perfect album is, and maybe a few examples (if you've found
> any).


very ambiguous question. Depends... Music is different for different
ppl, everyone looks to it for something different. I see music as self
expression and the more ppl put themselves and their emotions into it
rather than trends and looks then the better the album. In this aspect i
guess the only way to have a "poerfect" album, if that's possible" is
for the album to be YOURS, with your music. comes from the heart ya'
know?

peace >:)
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) My top 5...
Date: 26 Jul 1997 21:53:30 -0400 (EDT)


<<<<<<  Anyway, I wanted to get everyone's input on
what they think a perfect album is, and maybe a few examples (if you've found
any).

--Matt>>>>


1.  King's X - "Gretchen Goes to Nebraska", with classics like "Summerland"
and "Over My Head"  this album amazes me just the same 8 years later.  A
perfect album, from concept, to lyrics, to album art.

2.  Ultramarine - Every Man and Woman is a Star...  I even got my Mom to
admit she liked this when I was driving her somewhere a while back.  This
album is the perfect medium between ambient and techno...intelligent and
memorable.

3. Voivod - Angel Rat... Full of space grooves and great song changes.  The
artwork is top notch and so is the whole album prescence.  Almost like an
updated/heavier version of Pink Floyd....

4. Orbital - Snivilisation...   This album flows just as P & P would like it.
 It opens with a mild drifty/dreamy track ....goes on it's rollercoaster, but
returns at the end with the same sentiment.  The album is like good sex...it
builds up to the point of climax slowly...and bang there is a nuclear attack
in the middle of are we here.  And then of course the post-sex bliss of
Attached....The artwork is awesome...How many times how you opened up the CD
insert and laughed at the penis patrol guy or counted how many sunny skies
there are in the living room ?

5. My Dying Bride - Turn Loose the Swans....  Awesome, gothic, slow ,
doom-laden metal with haunting vocals and violin.  This is not an album for
those who are suicidal...it might push you over.  Many bands try to reach the
depressive/gothic state but no one acheives it quite as well as this group on
this offering.  From slow piano dirges to violent metal thrashes this album
sustains.

Why Orbital only appears once .....
Orbital 1 is great but is not perfect, I skip around more often than not.
Orbital 2 I usually do listen to all the way through but I can't f'n stand
that damn "time becomes a loop" part...I mean it is really cool the first
dozen times you hear it but not the next 500.  The album is a bit simplistic
in places.
Diversions doesn't count !...it is more of an EP
In Sides with the double disc probably is one of my faves : ).  But I really
don't think the regular album version of the Box is that great.  Dwr Bdr and
Adnan's are much better and mysterious....
Oh well, I'm done babbling for now I suppose.

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Subject: (orbital) Prodigy Box Set [off topic}
Date: 27 Jul 1997 02:44:10 -0700


this just hot off the presses guys.  There is a new Prodigy Box set
coming out in Sept that will feature all the old classics plus remixes
of them plus a Zippo "Firestarter" lighter, a nose ring, etc.  This will
retail in the US for as high as $150 or so I'm told.  This is a German
Import that is limited to ONLY 500 copies for the whole world!  I hope
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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Perfect Albums?
Date: 27 Jul 1997 09:04:01 -0500 (CDT)


My list would include:

1) Orbital - In Sides
2) Orbital - Snivilisation
3) Garbage - Garbage
4) The Prodigy - Music For The Jilted Generation
5) Underworld - Second Toughest In The Infants

There are other kick ass albums listed on my website(below).

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From: [e-mail] (Donna K Evans)
Subject: (orbital) farewell
Date: 27 Jul 1997 12:24:08 -0500


goodbye everyone! i just wanted to tell you that i'm leaving the list, in
case anyone cares. i know i just joined sort of recently, and you all
have been so kind and wonderful, but i'm moving on...
for those of you that have been emailing me or have the desire to start,
you know my address (if you don't, it's in the header.)
to the select few of you besides me that listen to punk and ska: keep
skankin'!
and for everyone, take care and keep listening to orbital! (as if you'd
ever stop.)
so long,
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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) videos and visualizations
Date: 27 Jul 1997 15:28:58 PDT


Hiya.
I get feelings too, but I actually see things... just let the music take
you away... the girl with the sun in her head is a great track for doing
that... lots of images with that one... pretty colors... good
feelings... love that track...

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From: Brian Lorraine <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) insides names/remix names
Date: 27 Jul 1997 20:09:42 -0500


2 queries:

1)what do the names of the in sides songs mean? Some of them are just
weird like ADNAN's and dwr budr. the girl with the sun in her head
seemed to be rather odd name until someone mentioned something about
greenpeace and saving trees and then it made sense. As far as the rest
of em, i remember reading something about how in sides reflects the
lives of the hartnol's. The BOX? hmm ambiguous name. and PETROL. what's
that stand for?

2)Always amusuing wathcing the names of remixes. Halcyon-Halcyon & On &
On.... Sad But True-Sad But New... etc.. hehe those are the only two i
can remember.. can someone refresh my memory as to if there are any
other names like these?


The movie Contact ruled. they shudda put together a cool soundtrack. ARE
WE HERE by orbital wudda been rather appropriate. The cd store here had
the SPAWN soundtrack available for listening. the remix of Satan was
pretty cool. Very amusing teams Prodigy & that dude from rage, moby and
the butthole surfers, orbital and that guy from metallica, crystal
method anf filter, GOldie and.. was it henry rollins? heh' nice to see
various and very different artists from the music world team up >:)

thanks, peace,

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From: Udi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) perfect album
Date: 28 Jul 1997 03:14:28 +0300 (IDT)


well if u guys r into talking about perfect albums..
here is my list :
1. orbital - Snivilisation
2. Prodigy - music..
3. radiohead - ok computer (maybe it seems like gr8 becuse it's new , but it is)
4. 5th element soundtrack (Kicks ass !!!)
5. Banco de gaia - live in..
6. tricky - Maxinquaye
7. smashing pumpkins - mellon collie..
8. cake - fashion nugget
9. orbital - untitled 2
10. Blade runner soundtrack ( Vangelis)
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From: "Warren" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: (orbital) Perfect Albums?
Date: 27 Jul 1997 21:14:55 -0400


My list:

1. 'Orbital 2 (Brown Album)' Orbital
2. 'In Sides' Orbital
3. 'Second Toughest in the Infants' Underworld
4. 'Siamese Dream' The Smashing Pumpkins


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From: Jeff Bandy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital on MTV
Date: 27 Jul 1997 21:19:39 -0400


This is pretty funny... I was flipping through the stations and some "real
life" show was on MTV; I think it was Road Rules. In the background they
were playing the second half of Are We Here?, and two minutes later they
played the Saint. That same day I was switching around again and The Box
was playing on some other show like Real World or some crap. Does anyone
know why Orbital's getting such attention, even if it's not too good? Thanks.

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Subject: Re: (orbital) perfect album
Date: 27 Jul 1997 20:28:35 -0500 (CDT)


since everyone else is putting up there's here's mine:


1.Intermix S/T
2.Lassigue Bendthaus-Cloned
3.Orbital-Orbital 2
4.Joy Division-Unknown Pleasures
5.Front 242- Tyranny for you
6.CJ Bolland- Electronic Highway
7.Brian Eno- Apollo
8.Autechre-Inacubula
9.Polygon Window- Surfing on Sinewaves
10.Noise Unit-Decoder
11. Pete Namlook- Air 2
12. U-ziq- Tango N Vectif
13. Peter Gabriel-Passion
14. Meat Beat Manifesto-99%
15. Amorphous Androgenous- Tales from Ephidrina


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Subject: Re: (orbital) insides names/remix names
Date: 27 Jul 1997 20:32:04 -0500 (CDT)


On 07/27/97 20:09:42 you wrote:
>
>
>2 queries:
>
>1)what do the names of the in sides songs mean? Some of them are just
>weird like ADNAN's and dwr budr. the girl with the sun in her head
>seemed to be rather odd name until someone mentioned something about
>greenpeace and saving trees and then it made sense. As far as the rest
>of em, i remember reading something about how in sides reflects the
>lives of the hartnol's. The BOX? hmm ambiguous name. and PETROL. what's
>that stand for?

As far as I know......"The girl with the sun in her head is about Sally Harding...
a photographer who passed away that the Hartnoll's were friends with.

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Subject: Re: (orbital) insides names/remix names
Date: 27 Jul 1997 18:44:55 -0700


>1)what do the names of the in sides songs mean? Some of them are just
>weird like ADNAN's and dwr budr.

"Dwr Budr," as has been posted dozens of times, is Welsh for "dirty
water" - so titled because of a fairly recent oil spill off the coast
of Wales. Adnan is the name of a young victim of the war in Bosnia.
The original version of the track, on the 'Help!' compilation, has
samples from a news report about Adnan's story, if I recall correctly.

>the girl with the sun in her head
>seemed to be rather odd name until someone mentioned something about
>greenpeace and saving trees and then it made sense.

As the 'In Sides' liner notes mention, the track was recorded entirely
using solar power from Greenpeace's Cyrus generator. It's a tribute
to the late photographer Sally Harding (and I don't think it's unreasonable
to suggest that the whole of the album reflects grief over her death).
Finally, it's a pun on John Barry's composition 'The Girl with the Sun
in Her Hair.'

>As far as the rest
>of em, i remember reading something about how in sides reflects the
>lives of the hartnol's. The BOX? hmm ambiguous name.

I don't think the lyrics in part 4 of the single leave any doubt that
"The Box" = television.

>and PETROL. what's
>that stand for?

It doesn't stand for anything, AFAIK. "Petrol" is British English for
what Americans call gasoline.

As for the only track on the album you didn't mention, "Out There Somewhere?"
is, as I recall, in reference to the tagline of 'The X-Files,' "The truth
is out there."

C.

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From:    Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) insides names/remix names
Date: 28 Jul 1997 00:13:19 -0300 (ADT)


On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, Brian Lorraine wrote:

> lives of the hartnol's. The BOX? hmm ambiguous name. and PETROL. what's

I'm guessing you haven't seen the video.   Which is real ironic ;)




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From: Brandon Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) orbital on MTV
Date: 27 Jul 1997 23:59:33 -0400 (EDT)



> This is pretty funny... I was flipping through the stations and some "real
> life" show was on MTV; I think it was Road Rules. In the background they
> were playing the second half of Are We Here?, and two minutes later they
> played the Saint. That same day I was switching around again and The Box
> was playing on some other show like Real World or some crap. Does anyone
> know why Orbital's getting such attention, even if it's not too good?
Thanks.
>
> Jeff
>
I saw that also and was like WHOA that's are we here!! I was surprised
cause are we here? isn't a new orbital song so i wouldn't think they'd
play it. I've also heard part of Lush 3.1 many times (i hate mtv, but it's
all i can get music wise) when they show who sponsors the show i'm
watching. Here's my take on why they're playing orbital. Over the past
years i've watched a whole lot of mtv and found that during many almost
all of their shows they strip teh lyrics from a song and only play the
background music so you get in the groove during a show, but they're
aren't any lyrics to pull you away from what they're saying. Orbital fits that
bill cause that music will always get you in the groove. :)

since people are dropping their favorite albums i will too.

1. orbital 2
2. Enter the 36 chambers-Wu Tang Clan
3. Downward Spiral-NIN
4. Gorilla Biscuits-Gorilla Biscuits
5. Prodigy Experience-Prodigy
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From: *dj villain <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) spawn sdtrk.
Date: 27 Jul 1997 23:36:18 -0400 (EDT)


gotta say, i love the new SPAWN: The Album cd... very wicked stuff. but
what i also gotta say is that the orbital vs. kirk hammet track is
probably the least of my favourites... the tracks that kicked my ass were
the rollins vs. goldie, atari teenage riot vs. slayer, and soul coughing
vs. roni size... but i think the new satan was a little too much metallica
and not enough orbital for me... seemed like less of a collaborative
effort and more a metallica song with an orbital sample and beeps and
buzzes... i don't know... any other opinions? but i must say again,
rollins and goldie blew my mind... the unlikeliest collaboration to me was
definitely the most successful...
looking forward to other views on this one...
*jim

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From: MIDIJUNKY <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fw: (orbital) Perfect Albums?
Date: 27 Jul 1997 21:14:09 -0600


My List (not complete, and in no particular order):

1.  Tool: "Aenima"
2.  Nine Inch Nails: "The Downward Spiral"
3.  Moby: "Everything is Wrong"
4.  Prodigy: "Music For the Jilted Generation"
5.  Switchblade Symphony: "Serpentine Gallery"
6.  Pink Floyd: "Dark Side of the Moon"
7.  Future Sound of London: "Dead Cities"
8.  Goldie: "Timeless"
9.  Various: "In To the Mix"
10. Front Line Assembly: "Hard Wired"
11. Voodoo Child: "The End of Everything"
13. Tricky: "Maxinquaye"
14. Delerium: "Karma"
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Subject: (orbital) MTV featuring Orbital
Date: 27 Jul 1997 22:19:36 -0500



>>>Does anyone
know why Orbital's getting such attention, even if it's not too good? Thanks.

Jeff<<<<

MTV has a habit of doing that with electronic music.  During their original
shows, their awards banquet promos, advertisements, and promotional things,
they've features such groups as The Prodigy, Orbital, Orb, FSOL, Underworld,
ATR, and I think even Moby.  For some reason, they figure it's good enough for
background music, but not good enough to make really obvious.  The local radio
station does that, too.  They'll play something from "...Jilted..." when
they're running their 15 second station promo, but it's not "cool" enough to
get played from start to end.  Oh, well.  Techno is something that 99% of us
listen to because we choose to, not because we were brought up around it or
because we have no alternatives.  It would be neat to hear 808 State on the
radio one day, however.  :)
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From: lysergic maximus <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) favorite album list
Date: 28 Jul 1997 00:04:15 -0500


seems to be the trend... heres mine, in no particular order...


    orbital 2
    legendary pink dots - the lovers
    the cure - kiss me, kiss me, kiss me
    pink floyd - dark side of the moon
    skinny puppy - too dark park
    butthole surfers - locust abortion technician
    coil - loves secret domain
     doubting thomas - the infidel
    dead can dance - within the realm of a dying sun

ummm... probably more but those are the absolute faves that come to mind...


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From: daFinn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(orbital) spawn sdtrk.
Date: 28 Jul 1997 08:24:04 +0200


At 23.36 -0400 97-07-27, *dj villain wrote:
> Thanks for using NetForward!
> http://www.netforward.com
> v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
>
>
> gotta say, i love the new SPAWN: The Album cd... very wicked stuff. but
> what i also gotta say is that the orbital vs. kirk hammet track is
> probably the least of my favourites... the tracks that kicked my ass were
> the rollins vs. goldie, atari teenage riot vs. slayer, and soul coughing
> vs. roni size... but i think the new satan was a little too much metallica
> and not enough orbital for me... seemed like less of a collaborative
> effort and more a metallica song with an orbital sample and beeps and
> buzzes... i don't know... any other opinions? but i must say again,
> rollins and goldie blew my mind... the unlikeliest collaboration to me was
> definitely the most successful...
> looking forward to other views on this one...
> *jim


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From:    Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) insides names/remix names
Date: 28 Jul 1997 00:13:19 -0300 (ADT)


On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, Brian Lorraine wrote:

> lives of the hartnol's. The BOX? hmm ambiguous name. and PETROL. what's

I'm guessing you haven't seen the video.   Which is real ironic ;)




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Subject: Re: Fw: (orbital) Perfect Albums?
Date: 27 Jul 1997 21:14:09 -0600


My List (not complete, and in no particular order):

1.  Tool: "Aenima"
2.  Nine Inch Nails: "The Downward Spiral"
3.  Moby: "Everything is Wrong"
4.  Prodigy: "Music For the Jilted Generation"
5.  Switchblade Symphony: "Serpentine Gallery"
6.  Pink Floyd: "Dark Side of the Moon"
7.  Future Sound of London: "Dead Cities"
8.  Goldie: "Timeless"
9.  Various: "In To the Mix"
10. Front Line Assembly: "Hard Wired"
11. Voodoo Child: "The End of Everything"
13. Tricky: "Maxinquaye"
14. Delerium: "Karma"
15. Dead Can Dance: "Spiritchaser"


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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fw: (orbital) Perfect Albums?
Date: 28 Jul 1997 05:08:45 PDT


mine: >:)

1) Orbital 2      (Orbital)
2) In Sides       (Orbital)
3) Accelerator    (FSOL)
4) either GURU MOTHER by Opus III or Music for the Jilted Generation
5) Republica (mmmmmmmmmmm saffron, she will be mine, oh yes... )

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From: "Lee Wightman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Hello, MTV & Top Ten
Date: 28 Jul 1997 05:11:28 PDT


Hello fellow Orbital worshippers,

I'm new on the list and I thought it was time I introduced myself and
stuck my tuppence worth in. I agree exactly with what Matthew said about
techno music seemingly only being good enough for background music or
jingles, but not good enough to play the whole tune and give the artists
the credit they deserve (YES! That means YOU, MTV!) >:-(

Anyway, as it seems to be Top-Ten-Time, here's my (painstakingly
compiled and ordered) favourite albums of all time :-

 1) Orbital ---------------- In-Sides
 2) Orb -------------------- Live '93
 3) Underworld ------------- Dubnobasswithmyheadman (Sprained fingers
you say?)
 4) Various Artists -------- Ambient Auras : Diverse Dimensions in
Ambient Dub
 5) Aphex Twin ------------- I Care Because You Do
 6) Future Sound of London - Accelerator
 7) Carter USM ------------- 30 Something
 8) The Stone Roses -------- The Stone Roses
 9) Prodigy ---------------- The Fat of the Land (This is new, so it
could just be the novelty factor)
10) Cure ------------------- Mixed Up

See ya later Jellybeans.

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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital on MTV
Date: 28 Jul 1997 05:13:03 PDT


>This is pretty funny... I was flipping through the stations and some
"real
>life" show was on MTV; I think it was Road Rules. In the background
they
>were playing the second half of Are We Here?, and two minutes later
they
>played the Saint. That same day I was switching around again and The
Box
>was playing on some other show like Real World or some crap. Does
anyone
>know why Orbital's getting such attention, even if it's not too good?
Thanks.

yea i noticed the same thing... I think MTV knows orbital has awesome
music, and that they think they need to play them but they're afraid
it's too risky. Some ppl will be biased against it because (here we go
again) of the "techno" steroype infairly following orbital around, or
the music is too long or whatever. I think MTV is just experimenting
with this "NEW WAVE" of electronic music to see if ppl REALLY do like
it, before they commit to spamming the the minds of america's children
with it.

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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) insides names/remix names
Date: 28 Jul 1997 05:16:54 PDT


>"Dwr Budr," as has been posted dozens of times, is Welsh for "dirty
>water" - so titled because of a fairly recent oil spill off the coast
>of Wales. Adnan is the name of a young victim of the war in Bosnia.

ahh.. i'm guessing that sort of has to do with that song on
Snivilization as well, what's it called again? Kent Trint Wasser i
think? don't have the case with me right now >:)

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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) insides names/remix names
Date: 28 Jul 1997 05:19:13 PDT


>I'm guessing you haven't seen the video.   Which is real ironic ;)

saw the video.. the one with that manaquin  lookin' girl walkin' round
the city in slow-mo while everyone else is in fast forward. ABout TV
eh'? I guess i can see that.

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From: "Rafa" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) perfect album
Date: 28 Jul 1997 05:31:13 +0200



 My list:

1. The man machine - KRAFTWERK
2. Computer World  - KRAFTWERK
3. In Sides - ORBITAL
4. Frequencies- LFO
5. Blade Runner - VANGELIS
6. Autobahn - KRAFTWERK
7. Radio-Aktivit=E4t -KRAFTWERK
8. Snivilisation - ORBITAL
9. Brown album - ORBITAL
10. Spacelab+On+On - KRAFTWERK feat.Orbital ;-)
...
...
...
I must say something... I don=B4t like KRAFTWERK...
...
...
...
I love them...

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From: "Chris.Hilker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital on MTV
Date: 28 Jul 1997 08:05:41 -0700


You people are fucking delusional about the way MTV works, not to
mention radio. Do you really think there's one person somewhere
in MTV's offices who decides all the music that gets aired on the
channel, from full-length videos to beds for the VJs to talk over
to background music for the original programming that isn't even
produced by MTV?

C.

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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital on MTV
Date: 28 Jul 1997 08:41:27 PDT



>You people are fucking delusional about the way MTV works, not to
>mention radio. Do you really think there's one person somewhere
>in MTV's offices who decides all the music that gets aired on the
>channel, from full-length videos to beds for the VJs to talk over
>to background music for the original programming that isn't even
>produced by MTV?

tisk tisk touchy touchy hehe >:). common sense. no one person. Tiz
probably a common subliminal idea though

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Subject: (orbital) my list too
Date: 28 Jul 1997 11:40:28 -0400 (EDT)


List fever continues- here's mine (in no order-except for Number 1)


1. AC/DC- Highway To Hell  - the ONLY perfect album- every f'n note
2. Orbital- Brown -Planet, Impact, Remind, Monday, enough said
3. Sugar- Copper Blue  -why did Bob break them up????????
4. Ride- Nowhere   -Ride is dead....long live Ride
5.  Orb- Live 93   -live "Blue Room" KILLS UFOrb's- one of the best basslines
in history
6. Helmet- Betty/Aftertaste  - true rock in the spirit of AC/DC- makes me
drive real fast
7. XTC- English Settlement  - I WANT A NEW ALBUM FROM THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
8. Beatles- Revolver      -OK, another perfect album
9.  The La's    -I WANT A NEW ALBUM FROM THEM!!!!!!!
10. Steely Dan- Citizen Steely Dan- yes, box sets can count!


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Subject: Re[2]: (orbital) Orbital on MTV
Date: 28 Jul 1997 11:45:00 -0400


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     you know, you have a point: yes, there are many channels of power at
     MTV who decide on music and programming and so forth, but do you have
     to be so rude to everyone to make your point?

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mention radio. Do you really think there's one person somewhere
in MTV's offices who decides all the music that gets aired on the
channel, from full-length videos to beds for the VJs to talk over
to background music for the original programming that isn't even
produced by MTV?

C.

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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) The Box
Date: 28 Jul 1997 17:13:45


>>>As far as the rest
>of em, i remember reading something about how in sides reflects the
>lives of the hartnol's. The BOX? hmm ambiguous name.

I don't think the lyrics in part 4 of the single leave any doubt that
"The Box" = television.<<

I think I'm a bit slow sometimes, I've seen the video and listened to The Box
part 4 and it had never occured to me that it might be about television.

mmm.

Perhaps I've been thrown by an interview with the Hartnolls in either the NME
or Melody Maker around the time the Box single was out, in which one of them
described a recurring dream which gave rise to the track. In the dream he was
part of some team who lived on a farm where they had to guard this box which
must never be opened. In the dream he would always break the rules and open the
box, and then wake up... with no memory of what was inside it.

does anyone else remember this?

ian


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From: [e-mail] (Chris Yates)
Subject: (orbital) Perfect Albums
Date: 28 Jul 1997 12:29:39 +0000


1. Echo & the Bunnymen -Ocean Rain
2. The Cure -Disintegration
3. Speedy J -Public Energy No. 1
4. Speedy J -G Spot
5. Orbital -2/Brown(minus Time Becomes a Loop and Input/Out; even though
a perfect album would constitute of all songs, I don't think these are
songs, although they are fun the first few times.)



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From: jeff fanno <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) The perfect album
Date: 28 Jul 1997 09:26:44 -0700


  Here is my addition to the perfect album thing going around.  In no
particular order:

Orbital- In sides (the obvious choice, will the brothers be able to top
this one?)

New Order- Technique (I'm surprised no mention of New Order yet,  listen
carefully to this one, it is the precursor of techno, the bleeps, and
blops, and chanks)

Dead Can Dance- Towards the Within (An awsome assortment of world music and
emotion, a must have)

Yo-Yo Ma and Bobby McFerrin- a mix of cello/classical music with B.
McFerrin bizarre vocals and sounds- give this one a try and you'll be
surprised)

Keith Jarret- Paris Concert (nearly fourty minutes of live, improvised,
free-flowing piano music, the styles range from jazz to classical, an
intense piece of music)

The Cure- Entreat (a spectacular live album with songs from Disintegration)

U2- The Joshua Tree (the most spiritual album I know of)

The Orb -Peel Sessions (I love Backside of the Moon, when that hip-hop beat
kicks in)

FSOL- Lifeforms (the album for a deserted island)

Gling-Glo- (Bjork sings jazz music and showtunes in Icelandic, a fun album
that'll get your feet tapping)

L.v.Beethoven-Symphony number 6 (can't live without this one)

I've got more, but these come to my mind first.  Thanks for reading

Late,
Jeff Fanno

There is the theory of the moebius- a twist in the fabric of space where
time becomes loop - where
time becomes loop - where
time becomes loop - where
time becomes loop - where
time becomes loop
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From: "Coffey Computer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 10:43:37 -0600
Date: 28 Jul 1997 10:40:03 -0600


  my list
1. Snoopy doggy dog
2. Green day-dooki
3. kilo- kilos greatest hits
4. aerosmith- get a grip
5. kiss -born to kiss ass and chew you up
6. metalica -master of puppets
7.Orbital-green album
 8. George Straigts greatest hits
9. sex-o-rama -compilation
10. jock jams -compilation








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From:    Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) OK, I've given in...
Date: 28 Jul 1997 14:08:13 -0300 (ADT)


I guess it's time to enlighten you all with my favourite albums...  Well,
here they are...  No real thought given to order except for number one.


1.  Radiohead - OK Computer (no contest...)
2.  Orbital - Diversions
3.  Autechre - Tri Repetae++
4.  Primus - Sailing the Seas of Cheese
5.  Tool - Aenima
6.  Fine Young Cannibals (self Titled)
7.  Autechre - Amber
8.  Orbital 2
9.  Radiohead - The Bends
10. Orbital - In sides

Well, that's pretty much what I go reaching for when I wanna hear
something, I've left out The Box single and Autechre's Basscadet EP
because they're not fulllength albums.  But I didn't get the same bonus
CD with In Sides as you, I've hadda go digging for the MP3s, and all I
need now is the Tranq. cut.



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From: [e-mail] (Simon Bird)
Subject: (orbital) Re: romford?
Date: 28 Jul 1997 12:16:55 CDT



----- Begin Included Message -----

romford is the name of a city outside of london where the guys from
underworld live.  i just learned the other day [while looking at the online
london yellow pages] that benthal green is a neighborhood [or borough] and
not a color.

----- End Included Message -----

Isn't Romford Trophy Bitter Romford's gift to the world?!  That and a few
car factories.

...Bethnal Green grey more like ;-)
(pronounced "Beff Nawl")


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From: Sawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Spawn soundtrack
Date: 28 Jul 1997 13:32:47 EDT


I've just bought the Spawn soundtrack after reading about it on this list.
Unfortunately, I think that this is commercialised and obviously done for the
novelty value. Some of the tracks are okay, and I'll probably keep the album for
the cult value, by Rollins/Goldie is pretty ridiculous (and usually really like
Goldie's work), and Orbital/Hammett is severely lacking when compared to the
original. I've only listened to it a cvouple of times, so maybe I'll get to like
it after more listens, but as of now it all seeems to be heavy rock bands
singing and playing over elctronic loops (eg. Wink and Stabbing West; which is
predictable and sounmds like a basement jamming session).

Maybe I will change my mind about this after a lot more listening, but I think
that apart from the Prodigy-Morello combination, the rest is very interesting in
theory but not stunning soundwise. Never mind.



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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Perfect Albums?
Date: 28 Jul 1997 16:01:34 +0100


every time this comes up:

1) Orbital Brown (with Peel sessions bonus)
2) Radiohead - The Bends
3) Coalaece/Julian - Nation hoppers [wierd hard techno]
4) Orbital - InSides
5) The Verve - Northern Soul

How about 5 best books? The above question aint that new.. :)
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From: [e-mail] (Josh Benton)
Subject: FWD: (orbital) The perfect album
Date: 28 Jul 1997 14:02:12 -0500


I was once asked the question, "If you could only take ten albums to a
deserted island, which ten would you take?"  (I love hypothetical
questions like these.)  Although the list changes weekly, here is this
week's ten:

-Pixies, "Surfer Rosa"
-Jane's Addiction, self-titled
-Miles Davis, "Kind of Blue"
-Old and in the Way, self-titled
-Orbital, Brown
-Leo Kottke, "Six and Twelve String Guitar"
-Ennio Morricone, "The Mission Soundtrack"
-Beatles, "White Album"
-Big Ass Truck, "Kent"
-Allman Brothers, "Live at Fillmore East" (the entire concert, not the
edited "Mountain Jam")

Thes are not necessarily "perfect albums," just albums I have and will
continue to enjoy.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  (orbital) Perfect Albums?
Date: 28 Jul 1997 15:24:02 -0400 (EDT)


Don't get me wrong guys....I appreciate your input, but I intended for this
more to be "these are my views on what a perfect album is, and here are a few
examples."  Instead, it's sort of become "here's my favorite albums"  And
there's nothing wrong with that, but we've done it a couple times before =)

--Matt


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Speedy J
Date: 28 Jul 1997 15:47:14 -0400 (EDT)


Every so often, I hear someone proclaiming their undying love for Speedy J's
work...I bought "Ginger" a while back, and I can't see anything that special
about it.  As a matter of fact I tried to sell it a while back, but the guy
at the record store said he didn't think Speedy J had enough name-recognition
to make it worth his money...oh well.  Anyway, to get to my actual point, is
"Ginger" just a bad example of what he's capable of?  Or is he just going to
be someone that I'll never be able to get into?

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From: Matthew Bloch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fw: (orbital) Perfect Albums?
Date: 28 Jul 1997 06:28:58 +0100


In message <[e-mail]>
          MIDIJUNKY <[e-mail]> wrote:

> 15. Dead Can Dance: "Spiritchaser"

Hmm... this is really weird.  I was in a market in London a couple of days
ago and asked what tape was playing in a quite funky shop; I'd never heard of
Dead Can Dance, but every day so far I've seen them mentioned
somewhereorother.  Anyone want to email me a web site / give me an album
recommendation?

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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) The Box
Date: 28 Jul 1997 09:46:59 PDT



>Perhaps I've been thrown by an interview with the Hartnolls in either
the NME
>or Melody Maker around the time the Box single was out, in which one of
them
>described a recurring dream which gave rise to the track. In the dream
he was
>part of some team who lived on a farm where they had to guard this box
which
>must never be opened. In the dream he would always break the rules and
open the
>box, and then wake up... with no memory of what was inside it.
>

WHOA! deep,man... now that's really weird. hmm wunder what is says about
that Hartnol. hehe probably going a bit too deep but maybe that's like
his destiny.. to "open the box" so to speak for all of orbital's
listeners. hmmm that's too much thinkin'.. i'm gonna take a break from
it for a bit "dAaAaaaAAAaaaa... bobo like PEAnuts >:P"

<drools on himself>...

peace,
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) videos and visualizations
Date: 28 Jul 1997 18:45:35 -0400 (EDT)


i agree, when I listen i just try to feel what is coming out of my speakers,
I leave the visualization to the brothers Hartnoll and their videos, which I
may add are extremely odd, yet chaotic and intriguing


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) My top 5...
Date: 28 Jul 1997 18:49:04 -0400 (EDT)


I don't care what anybody calls it, but Diversions is the greatest album that
have heard from P&P,but then again i haven't heard Snivilisation


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From: "Aimee Couture" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) The Box
Date: 28 Jul 1997 16:04:56 PDT


Hey Ian!!

YES!!  I remember reading that interview... it's up on the web
somewhere... can't remember where I linked to it from... but I do
remember that The Box is about a recurring dream... you're not slow!!

--Aimee--

>Perhaps I've been thrown by an interview with the Hartnolls in either
the NME
>or Melody Maker around the time the Box single was out, in which one of
them
>described a recurring dream which gave rise to the track. In the dream
he was
>part of some team who lived on a farm where they had to guard this box
which
>must never be opened. In the dream he would always break the rules and
open the
>box, and then wake up... with no memory of what was inside it.
>
>does anyone else remember this?


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From: ZOM <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Paul and Phil
Date: 28 Jul 1997 21:41:21 -0500



Greetings! Zom here, a newcomer to the list. I'm curious--how many of you
out there are doing Orbital-inspired music? Please send your materials in
for review--I do ZOMBIE ZINE, which you can check out on my web site--

http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom


PLease send everything to

7220 Marbach #2702
San Antonio TX 78227.

Also, in the archive section you can read an interview with the Brothers
Hartnoll Lysergic and I did earlier this year. Hope you stop by, and please
send me your URL's so I can trade links with you!!!!!

If anyone wonders, (since I don;t really know anyof you yet,) Paul and Phil
are very cool people--totally un-un-un pretentious and not a trace of
"Famous Person-itis". They INSISTED on having Lysergic autograph a tape he
wanted to give them. It was really really funny.

Later.....

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From:    Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) My top 5...
Date: 29 Jul 1997 00:26:55 -0300 (ADT)


On Mon, 28 Jul 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

>
> I don't care what anybody calls it, but Diversions is the greatest album that
> have heard from P&P,but then again i haven't heard Snivilisation


I'd have to agree...  It's just so damn good, I like the Underworld mix
especiallt, although it's not 100% Orbital, it's an excelllent album...


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Subject: (orbital) Re: cc:Mail UUCPLINK 2.0 Undeliverable Message
Date: 29 Jul 1997 00:30:10 -0300 (ADT)


On Mon, 28 Jul 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> User flexpro![e-mail] is not defined

Does anyone get mail that's bounced back from the list delivered to
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Mr. Kirk?
Date: 28 Jul 1997 23:43:10 -0500


I think I posted this before, but I was thinking about the song today
and I really want to know who it's by. Again, it's called Mr. Kirk, the
video has this little kid fighting a guy in a space suit, and every so
often in the song someone says "Mr. Kirk?" and another guy replies
"Yes?". If anyone knows who it's by, please let me know. Thanks.




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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Mr. Kirk?
Date: 28 Jul 1997 23:41:54 -0700


[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I think I posted this before, but I was thinking about the song today
> and I really want to know who it's by. Again, it's called Mr. Kirk, the
> video has this little kid fighting a guy in a space suit, and every so
> often in the song someone says "Mr. Kirk?" and another guy replies
> "Yes?". If anyone knows who it's by, please let me know. Thanks.

That song is by a kick ass English group by the name of 4 Hero.


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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Mr. Kirk?
Date: 29 Jul 1997 07:34:13 -0500 (CDT)


On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, [e-mail] wrote:

->[e-mail] wrote:
->>
->> I think I posted this before, but I was thinking about the song today
->> and I really want to know who it's by. Again, it's called Mr. Kirk, the
->> video has this little kid fighting a guy in a space suit, and every so
->> often in the song someone says "Mr. Kirk?" and another guy replies
->> "Yes?". If anyone knows who it's by, please let me know. Thanks.
->
->That song is by a kick ass English group by the name of 4 Hero.
->
I think that video is hilarious! I shall now become Giganto Kid!

                            Reality

"Be Objective, Be Selective"

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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) orbital discovery
Date: 29 Jul 1997 07:01:42 PDT


how did everyone here first get into orbital? I suspect I'm going to get
a lot on answers dealing with the mortal kombat and hackers soundtracks
heh'... i know that's MY answer. Over a year ago I heard Halcyon & On &
On on the MK soundtrack but i didn't really pay much attention to it, i
thought it was cool, but i didn't really listen closely to it. Then this
past september/october i heard it on the hackers soundtrack and listened
to it more closely and was like.. "Whoa!". From then on it's been my
favorite song.. which is weird cuz longest i've ever held a fav song is
like 3 months... even after playing h&on&on to death. Went straight to
The Wall after that discovery (stupid me, i picked the most expensive
place in town, cost me friggin 19 bucks.. was definately still worth it
though) and put in an order for ORBITAL II. Two weeks later I opened it
up, looked at the cover art and other stuff written on the wrapper,
thinking... hmmmmm who are these guys?... plopped in an orbital cd for
the very first time and was like "AAAAaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh...". Very
centimental cd fer me.

Haven't been listening to Orbital for even a year, but it feels like a
century for me, ya' know what i mean?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) orbital discovery....
Date: 29 Jul 1997 10:24:35 -0400 (EDT)


The origin of orbital...for this listener....

Actually I am into all types of heavy music (Napalm Death, Fear Factory,
Sepultura, My Dying Bride, Voivod) and as those act lead you to an open mind
I decided to try one of the Scorn discs (Scorn being comprised of ex-Napalm
Death drummer Nick Harris)...So here I was listening to this bass ridden
electronic music (almost dance music AHHHH....) but it was good....I went
down to Vintage Vinyl in Fords NJ (the best CD store in the world, I am quite
convinced) and scanned for more Scorn discs....Upon locating more Scorn discs
I noticed I was in the ambient section, I started flippin' through the
various CDs, as I am prone to do, and came across plenty of pretentious
looking albums, but the orbital albums seemed to have an odd sense of humor
and mystique about them...so, what the hell, I picked up the Are We Here ?
single  and at first was like "this is too dancy" but like good crack, I had
to get more (isn't that a horrible comparison ?)  Needless to say I bought
everything else they had to offer, the UK version of In Sides (in that funky
blue box) and then the US version of In Sides (with that lovely X-tra
disc),,,It was like winning the lottery finding Orbital there in a small
section of the store.  I'm amazed that the general public has enough savy to
make them popular...No one knew who the hell I was talking about when In
Sides came out..now they won't shut up about Orbital, Chem Bros. or the
Prodigy.  But I don't forsee Orbital pulling a Metallica and completely
gutting their sound...in this life nothing is safe from contamination, let's
just hope the boys can hold it together under the limelight...Hey, maybe
those sunglasses have a special limelight filter ????

Dave


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From: -Niall C Christie- <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital on MTV
Date: 29 Jul 1997 15:45:24 +0100 (BST)




> This is pretty funny... I was flipping through the stations and some "real
> life" show was on MTV; I think it was Road Rules. In the background they
> were playing the second half of Are We Here?, and two minutes later they
> played the Saint. That same day I was switching around again and The Box
> was playing on some other show like Real World or some crap. Does anyone
> know why Orbital's getting such attention, even if it's not too good? Thanks.

Well, I heard a three second clip of Out There Somewhere on a Scottish
outdoors program. I watched the rest of that goddam show to see if there
would be any more, damn them.

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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Are We Here
Date: 28 Jul 1997 19:43:59 +0100


"Matthew Bloch" writes
>I'm not a fan of the track because of this inconsistency: it starts off well,
>and then the sampling becomes a little too random for my liking.  I skip to
>part two of Out There Somewhere? too sometimes, since part one seems to
>degenerate in the same way.  I think I prefer Orbital when they're doing
>slightly 'cleaner' music like The Girl With The Sun In Her Head.

/IMO on
Agreed. I really hate (no flames please) part 1 of OTS and Are we Here
from Sniv - it really doesn't do it for me. However I love part 2 (and
consider it a completely different track) to bits and I really love the
UK single (track 1) of AWH.
/IMO off

>
>On which note, who *is* Sally Harding?  (email if this is a boring, FAQ'd
>question).
>
<sigh> ;)
Sally Harding is the photographer who did the lush cover and a few other
covers. She worked with loads of other bands, who all contributed to an
album called "Sally's Photographic memory" which was made and released
after her untimely death. The album is excellent BTW and well worth
picking up, if you can find it.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) a few things...
Date: 28 Jul 1997 12:58:40 -0700


here are a few observations and other stuff that I'd feel guilty if I
devoted a message to individually
1.  can anyone send me the address of the guy in Corona, CA who had Orbital
stickers for sale?  I've been looking for ones for ages.... and I live a
few miles from there.
2.  there seem to be a few questions that always reappear whenever someone
joins the group.  i know that on the So-Cal raves mailing list you get a
couple of FAQs sent to you when you join, and I don't remember if the same
happens when you join this list.  It might be worth it to add that feature,
if its not too hard.
3.  perfect albums list... how could it be in order, with all being perfect?
        my bloody valentine- loveless
        bark psychosis- hex
        faust- faust iv
        aphex twin- classics (maybe this is sorta stretching the definition
of "album"?)
        poygon window- surfing on sine waves
        obital- orbital one
        the specials- more specials (where does that "nuclear attack"
sample come from, again?)
        underworld- dubnobasswithmyheadman
        underworld- 2nd toughest in the infants
        stictly and pc-  blechsd=F6ttir  (warp records mix cd... not exactly
an album per se, but so incredibly perfect for what

             it is that I had to mention it.  even the packaging is perfect.=
)
        also almost every beatles album after "help"
4.  remix titles thread-  there's also attached & semi-detatched (and I
think there's also a "detatched" out there somewhere)
5.  any more information on the Big Top & Electronic Highway events?
that's all for now, folks.
ryan


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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) insides names/remix names
Date: 28 Jul 1997 19:54:06 +0100


"Brian Lorraine" writes
>ahh.. i'm guessing that sort of has to do with that song on
>Snivilization as well, what's it called again? Kent Trint Wasser i
>think? don't have the case with me right now >:)
Yup. Kein trink Wasser is german for "Don't drink the Water" (ish)
The reason for that name escapes me right now however...

> --the BrAiN--

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From: "Lee Wightman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital Discovery
Date: 29 Jul 1997 09:08:37 PDT


Hi all,

Living in the UK I'm fortunate enough to remember when Chime first got
in the charts (1990ish? Is it really that long ago?).

At the time I wasn't really into techno, what there was of it around at
that time. Actually I was getting heavily into Carter the Unstoppable
Sex Machine. For those of you who don't know they were (still are to
some extent) a kind of punk-pop band, but the thing that made them stand
out to me, apart from the biting riffs and lyrics, was their use of
keyboards and samples to conjure up a dark & brooding or rebellious
atmosphere. Looking back this is probably where I got my thirst for
techno from.

Anyway, back to P&P.
So I heard Chime. I remember thinking "Yeah, nice little ditty", or
words to that effect, but it wasn't really my cup of tea. It wasn't
until 1993 that I started to become interested in Orbital and the techno
scene.

One day, a lad in my class at college offered me his walkman head-phones
: "Listen to this. It's mad!" he said. It was loads of weird ambient
noises accompanied by a sample of someone talking about morphine drips.
It was The Orb's "Little Fluffy Clouds" on "Live '93". I'd never heard
anything like it before and, being the open-minded chap that I am, was
interested in this (to me) new concept, or fusion of concepts, in music.

So I insisted that this guy lend me a few of his CD's. He gave me
Orbital 1 (Praise the Lord!). The Mobeius; Chime; Belfast. I was in
love, a love that continues flourish to this day.

Hope I haven't bored you.



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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) what does regret mean?
Date: 29 Jul 1997 17:29:20


>>how did everyone here first get into orbital? <<

some time ago a load of my friends got into The Butthole Surfers. One of our
favourite tracks was "Sweatloaf" (a cover of Black Sabbath's "Sweet leaf"), the
one that begins with the "Daddy?" "Yes Son?" spoken dialogue we all know and
love. Then we heard that some dance music lot had done a dance track sampling
that, so the one of us who was into dance music bought Orbital's "Satan".

I didn't like it because I preferred the original. Still do.

Now I don't know how I got into Orbital. I think I got more and more into the
dance scene, and Orbital occupy such an iconic position in that circuit that
you just have to like them. Everyone I knew loved "Snivilisation", and I heard
really good reports of them the time they played the Féile festival in Cork.
Along with every other raver in Ireland went to see them play in May last year,
and was blown away. I'd say it was really on the strength of that that I really
got into them.

>>I suspect I'm going to get
a lot on answers dealing with the mortal kombat and hackers soundtracks
heh'... i know that's MY answer. Over a year ago I heard Halcyon & On &
On on the MK soundtrack but i didn't really pay much attention to it, i
thought it was cool, but i didn't really listen closely to it. Then this
past september/october i heard it on the hackers soundtrack and listened
to it more closely and was like.. "Whoa!". From then on it's been my
favorite song.. which is weird cuz longest i've ever held a fav song is
like 3 months... even after playing h&on&on to death. Went straight to
The Wall after that discovery (stupid me, i picked the most expensive
place in town, cost me friggin 19 bucks.. was definately still worth it
though) and put in an order for ORBITAL II. Two weeks later I opened it
up, looked at the cover art and other stuff written on the wrapper,
thinking... hmmmmm who are these guys?... plopped in an orbital cd for
the very first time and was like "AAAAaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh...". Very
centimental cd fer me. <<

Halcyon is amazing... when I bought the brown album I used to listen to just
that track over and over, even thought there so much other good stuff on that
record.

>>Haven't been listening to Orbital for even a year, but it feels like a
century for me, ya' know what i mean?<<

Orbital play the timeless music of the future.

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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) The Box
Date: 29 Jul 1997 17:32:25


>>>I'm guessing you haven't seen the video.   Which is real ironic ;)

saw the video.. the one with that manaquin  lookin' girl walkin' round
the city in slow-mo while everyone else is in fast forward. ABout TV
eh'? I guess i can see that. <<

the woman in the vid is Tilda Swinton. She's a reasonably well known actress
who appears in left-field British films and things, notably "Orlando" (playing
the lead), and various films by Derek Jarman. She also slept in a clear plastic
box as part of an exhibition in a London art gallery.  I think this was before
the Box.


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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Dusseldorf
Date: 29 Jul 1997 17:37:21


>>1. The man machine - KRAFTWERK
2. Computer World  - KRAFTWERK
3. In Sides - ORBITAL
4. Frequencies- LFO
5. Blade Runner - VANGELIS
6. Autobahn - KRAFTWERK
7. Radio-Aktivit=E4t -KRAFTWERK
8. Snivilisation - ORBITAL
9. Brown album - ORBITAL
10. Spacelab+On+On - KRAFTWERK feat.Orbital ;-)
.....
I must say something... I don't like KRAFTWERK...
.....
I love them...<<

all hail the might Werk. After we saw both Kraftwerk and Orbital play
triumphantly at UK's Tribal Gathering, Irene's brother Tony (an old Kraftwerk
fan) decided that Orbital have learned many tricks from Kraftwerk, but the
Dusseldorf funsters pull back into the lead with the handy tricks they've
lifted from the Hartnolls.

Do you like "The Mix", their 1991 album where they remixed their own past for
the techno age? Some of it's a bit cheesey, but the reworking of
"Radioactivity" is a classic of dance music.

ian


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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Pugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew
Date: 29 Jul 1997 17:40:52


>>romford is the name of a city outside of london where the guys from
underworld live.  i just learned the other day [while looking at the online
london yellow pages] that benthal green is a neighborhood [or borough] and
not a color.

- ----- End Included Message -----

Isn't Romford Trophy Bitter Romford's gift to the world?!  That and a few
car factories.<<

oddly I'm reminded of the apocryphal story that following early nineties
novelty rave hit "A Trip To Trumpton" US would-be ravers besieged travel agents
trying to arrange holidays in Trumpton as it had to be a pretty happenning rave
town if it had a song about it.

Trumpton is of course the fictional town in the eponymous children's TV series,
triv fans.

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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Dead Can Dance
Date: 29 Jul 1997 17:44:31


>>> 15. Dead Can Dance: "Spiritchaser"

Hmm... this is really weird.  I was in a market in London a couple of days
ago and asked what tape was playing in a quite funky shop; I'd never heard of
Dead Can Dance, but every day so far I've seen them mentioned
somewhereorother.  Anyone want to email me a web site / give me an album
recommendation?<<

they're on 4AD, so you'd probably get stuff about them on that website. They
have a live album, I think it's called "Towards The Within" which is perhaps a
good intro to them, or maybe I'm only saying that because it's the only one I
have. Verrrry good, amazing vocals and ethnic instruments. yes.

They're amazing live as well. Brendan Perry does some solo touring, he's well
worth catching too if you get the chance.

ian


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From: Ian Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Trading satellites for substance
Date: 29 Jul 1997 17:47:49


>>>Perhaps I've been thrown by an interview with the Hartnolls in either
the NME
>or Melody Maker around the time the Box single was out, in which one of
them
>described a recurring dream which gave rise to the track. In the dream
he was
>part of some team who lived on a farm where they had to guard this box
which
>must never be opened. In the dream he would always break the rules and
open the
>box, and then wake up... with no memory of what was inside it.
>

WHOA! deep,man... now that's really weird. hmm wunder what is says about
that Hartnol. hehe probably going a bit too deep but maybe that's like
his destiny.. to "open the box" so to speak for all of orbital's
listeners. hmmm that's too much thinkin'.. i'm gonna take a break from
it for a bit "dAaAaaaAAAaaaa... bobo like PEAnuts >:P" <<

yes... the long version of The Box does have a bit that sounds like a box being
opened. I think it's such a great horror film idea, The Box. You kind of
instantly know it's something that must be kept closed, and yet is something
you are irresistably drawn to open.

>><drools on himself>...<<

Neblod Zin! Na Caith Tabac!

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From: Brandon Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) how i got into orbital
Date: 29 Jul 1997 13:19:34 -0400 (EDT)


>>how did everyone here first get into orbital?

well, i'm one of those people who listened to the mortal kombat soundtrack
and heard halcyon + on + on. Then one day about a year after wards i saw
in the "dance" section of Blockbuster music a lone cd of In Sides + times
fly and box. I remembered that one song and was like might as well give it
a try. So i did and it was that cd that started my collection. Just
bought satan live 12 yesterday on vinyl for 14 dollars. that is thw best
thing that could have ever happened to me cause i'd have to order all the
satan live cd's for a bunch of money (imports are expensive) so i got this for
less and more quality. --  crack


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From: [e-mail] (Simon Bird)
Subject: (orbital) Dead Can Dance
Date: 29 Jul 1997 12:41:31 CDT


>>> 15. Dead Can Dance: "Spiritchaser"

> They're amazing live as well. Brendan Perry does some solo touring, he's well
> worth catching too if you get the chance.

I fully agree.
I saw DCD a few years back and they were truely amazing. Lisa Gerrard's
voice is chilling.  She has been well sampled too, if you start listening
closely. FSOL and Banco have used voice samples here and there to name just two.
I've been a DCD fan for many years; IMHO Serpent's Egg, Aion and Spiritchaser
are the cream LPs.  Lisa Gerrard's solo album (Mirror Pool?) is worth a
listen too, very dark, and quite orchestral.

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From: Tom Priore <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Orbital on MTV
Date: 29 Jul 1997 13:20:26 -0400


Yea they aren't one person, they are all clones. Did you every notice that
the back ground music while DJs a talking and during promos and stuff is
awsome but the videos they play are just crap?
Tom Priore
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tisk tisk touchy touchy hehe >:). common sense. no one person. Tiz
probably a common subliminal idea though

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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: Orbital on MTV / Orbital Videos
Date: 29 Jul 1997 11:18:52 PDT


speaking of mtv... their VIDEO MUSIC awards deal with not only the
music, but the VIDEOS as well, obviously... so it kinda' makes u wonder
Y none of the amp videos are nominated for anything. Well there are a
few... chem bros, daft punk, prodigy... their videos have been pretty
cool, but all of the rest of the videos on amp with their awesome
computer animation and schtuff like videos by FSOL and TIPSY and the
like.. oh man.. they put all the mainstream mtv videos to shame... i
mean c'mon... best special effects in a video category... looks who's
nominated.. smashing pumpkins and NIN.... nice effects yea but then look
at the videos for SPACE GOLF by TIPSY or DEAD CITIED by FSOL.. pffftt...
and best cinimetography or whatever... look at those videos and then
look at the vid for ARE WE HERE.... that video is so beautiful. heh'
they need like "BEST VIDEO FROM amp" or sumpin...

never got to see the video for Halcyon.. what was that like? Also, was
there ever a video for Satan? If so, what was that like as well?

peace,
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From: "Nick King" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) insides names/remix names
Date: 29 Jul 1997 20:34:31 +0100


 I could be wrong here, but doesn't it have something to do with Clubs and
the fact that quite a few of them prevent the taps in the toilets from
working, so you have to buy the (overpriced) bottled water instead?
Essential for if you're taking E's, otherwise dehydration might result.

I could, of course, be totally wrong with this assumption (as I've not seen
it mentioned elsewhere), but that's how I interpreted it.


Nick ;-)

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>"Brian Lorraine" writes
>>ahh.. i'm guessing that sort of has to do with that song on
>>Snivilization as well, what's it called again? Kent Trint Wasser i
>>think? don't have the case with me right now >:)
>Yup. Kein trink Wasser is german for "Don't drink the Water" (ish)
>The reason for that name escapes me right now however...
>
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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) bruce duttenhoffer
Date: 28 Jul 1997 09:26:50 PDT


do you guys keep getting a message from this guy's server everytime you
mail something to this mailing list saying his mailbox is full?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Orbital Names
Date: 29 Jul 1997 17:05:50 -0400 (EDT)


>>"Dwr Budr," as has been posted dozens of times, is Welsh for "dirty
>>water" - so titled because of a fairly recent oil spill off the coast
>>of Wales. Adnan is the name of a young victim of the war in Bosnia.

>ahh.. i'm guessing that sort of has to do with that song on
>Snivilization as well, what's it called again? Kent Trint Wasser i
>think? don't have the case with me right now >:)

        The song is "Kein Trink Wasser", which is German for "Don't drink
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) discovering Orbital
Date: 29 Jul 1997 17:05:53 -0400 (EDT)


Well, my story goes back a bit farther than the MK and Hackers soundtracks =)
 I first started to get into techno after a friend of mine bought Aphex's SAW
1 about 4 years ago....I was just like "wow, that's beautiful."  Admittedly,
I still didn't go out of my way to find those kind of albums, but they were
an interesting Diversion (note the foreshadowing =)    Anyway, sometime
later, that friend played Lush 3-2 Eurotunnel Disaster mix for me and I fell
in love.  Over the next 2 mos, I bought Diversions, Brown, and Green.   11
Orbital cd's later, here I am, still ready to buy about anything with their
name on it =).
--Matt


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Mr. Kirk?
Date: 29 Jul 1997 16:40:51 -0400 (EDT)


Wasn't 4Hero going under another name for a while?   I wanna say it's either
Jacob's Optical Stairway or the Jedi Knights......

--Matt


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) my orbital beginnings
Date: 29 Jul 1997 17:12:42 -0400 (EDT)


this was pure luck............

my first intro to orbital was the halcyon single- bought it because it looked
cool and it had long track times on it. Hadn't heard a damn thing about them,
except it looked like it would sound like 808 State (the only album I had
ever heard with this type of music- techno, whatever- was EX:EL)

didn't like halcyon, but jumped all over the Chime edit.  So I bought the
first album in '92 because I saw on the cover that Chime was 8 minutes long!
 About half of the album blew me away- a new frontier for me. But still
wasn't ready to convert....

Enter Orbital Brown.  Saw it in a record store and decided I would give this
album a shot.  I immediately popped a woodrow (sorry) and entered a near
religious experience.  To me, it was SO much better than their first (still
is, but I did get into more of the first after this point).  From then
on........well, you know.

Thanks, and good night......
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From: Geoffrey Elgey <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: Speedy J
Date: 30 Jul 1997 08:12:14 +0100


G'day,

>Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:47:14 -0400 (EDT)
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: (orbital) Speedy J
>
>Every so often, I hear someone proclaiming their undying love for Speedy J's
>work...I bought "Ginger" a while back, and I can't see anything that special
>about it.  As a matter of fact I tried to sell it a while back, but the guy
>at the record store said he didn't think Speedy J had enough name-recognition
>to make it worth his money...oh well.  Anyway, to get to my actual point, is
>"Ginger" just a bad example of what he's capable of?  Or is he just going to
>be someone that I'll never be able to get into?
>
>- --Matt

The only Speedy J I have is the double disc "G-Spot/Live" - the 'Live' cd is
pretty good (has some stuff from 'Ginger', but can't remember which ones).
Many months ago I commented to the Orbital list that "Live" had some
Orbital-esque moments (one track in particular reminded me of "remind" from
the brown album). But apart from that, I thought it was typical of the
Harthouse label stuff (in fact one track on "Live" is Speedy J's remix of a
Sven Vath track).

The only advice I can give is to listen to his stuff before you buy...and
the new one "Public Energy #1" is different again, all abstract noise a la
Autechre.

Check out the +8 discography site at http://www.plus8.com/Plus_8/ - you can
listen to Speedy J's albums in Real Audio - the complete tracks too, not
just snippets.

BTW "Ginger" is on my wants list if you still wish to sell it...

Cheers,
Geoff
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From: Ehrlich <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) 3 Q's n stuff
Date: 29 Jul 1997 20:01:50 -0400


1.  where is the sample in "We all want to be free" by tranquility bass from?
2.  where can i get the DJ Supreme Single?
3.  where can i get the "Mr. Kirk" song?

i saw that video to the "live experience" today.  as stupid as it may
sound, it made me cry.  they are so passionate about their work.  i love
that.  my one goal in life is to find something i am as passoinate about as
they are.

Geoffrey A. Ehrlich
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From: Oblivion <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) orbital discovery
Date: 29 Jul 1997 21:13:44 -0500 (CDT)


i've been listening to Orbital for the past 2 years... a friend of myne
gave me Orbital 2 (the brown one) for a Christmas gift... at first listen,
i didn't quite grasp the same feelings i now have for them, but i guess i
needed it to grow on me... i only started to really get into Orbital when
i heard The Saint maybe a few months ago, which drew me to this list
also...

<-----O----->

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From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Spawn Soundtrack
Date: 29 Jul 1997 23:34:46 -0700


For those interested that dont already know this ( i havent read the
list in a few days)there are two versions of the Spawn soundtrack.  One
looks exactly like the movie posters and what not do but the other has a
cover drawn by none other than the Spawn creator himself.  This is a
rarity and not many stores have them and the ones that do dont have
many.  It my be good to by at least one of each and leave the rare one
unopened.  Also when you go to your real record stores to by the
soundtrack, ask them if they have any copies of the "limited editon"
Spawn movie comic.  If they look at you like you're a nut tell them to
ask their manager.


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From: Antti Suikkari <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) i'm new to this list...
Date: 30 Jul 1997 09:52:58 +0300 (EET DST)




My ulimate record list would include, but not in any order:

    electronic eye: the idea of justice
    leftfield:    leftism
    massive attack:    blue lines
    massive attack: protection
    nightmares on wax: a word of science
    orbital:    1
    orbital:    diversions
    orbital:    snivilisation
    rinneradio:    rok
    squarepusher:    feed me weird things
    squarepusher:    hard normal daddy
    underworld:    second ...
    plastikman:    concept 01 box set




now I think it is a time to introduce myself, cause I'm new to this
mailing list. my name is antti suikkari, better know as 'amano'.
I'm 23 years old multimedia student from kouvola, finland. I have been
into orbital since I heard chime from the radio 1990. I was in sidney
australia, and when I get back to finland I ask my dad to drove to
helsinki and I went to street beat records and bought 'the ffrr maxi
single' and that was that. sorry that i finish introduction here, but I
have to work my homepage ready for you to jump into...

-amano-

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From: Antti Suikkari <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) off topic gusgus
Date: 30 Jul 1997 10:02:06 +0300 (EET DST)




On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, Ehrlich wrote:

>
> i am having problems finding lyrics to my fav song by gusgus.  if anyone
> knows where i can find em.  email me.  im dying for em.   thanx much
>
> Geoffrey A. Ehrlich
> [e-mail]
>


    I might know where you could find your lyrics...
    there is a kind of homepage for gusgus in
    http://www.4ad.com/GusGus/menu.html
    lyrics are not there but I think you could get
    those if you mail there and ask for it...
    hope that this would help you...

    -amano-
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Are We Here?
Date: 30 Jul 1997 03:45:48 -0500


I was wondering... could anyone give me a track listing of the Are We
Here? maxi single? I'd like to know what's on it. I haven't seen it
anywhere as of yet, but if i find it i might consider buying it.




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From: Antti Suikkari <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Are We Here?
Date: 30 Jul 1997 11:48:16 +0300 (EET DST)




On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

>
> I was wondering... could anyone give me a track listing of the Are We
> Here? maxi single? I'd like to know what's on it. I haven't seen it
> anywhere as of yet, but if i find it i might consider buying it.
>
       12" - Who Are They?/Do They Here?/They Did It, catalogue No:
       LIARX15.
       CD - (In jewel box) Who Are They?/Do They Here?/They Did It/What
       Was That?/Criminal Justice Bill/Industry Standard?, catalogue No:
       LIECD15.
       CD - (In digipak) Who Are They?/Do They Here?/They Did It/What
       Was That?/Criminal Justice Bill/Industry Standard?, catalogue No:
       LIECD15.>

       PLUS THERE WERE AN PROMO MAXISINGLE AVAILABLE WITH LP VERSION OF
       SNIVILISATION...
       which included also 'oral dub' or something like that...
       it is version which was also available in US maxi single...

hope that you'll find it somewhere, I mean the single, but the oral
version it is a kind of favourite of mine... so I recommend US maxisingle
it contains the were best versions

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From: -Niall C Christie- <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Music in ads/progs/films etc
Date: 29 Jul 1997 16:18:43 +0100 (BST)


When an advert uses a song, do they have to ask the composer/record
company's permission to use it, or do they only have to inform them that
they are going to use it and regardless of whether the composer wants his
song on that advert, they can use it provided they have told him.

And does this apply also to TV programs and films?


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From: -Niall C Christie- <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Top ten albums (Non Orbital, sort of)
Date: 29 Jul 1997 16:13:00 +0100 (BST)


As everyone's sending in the top ten, here goes:

1. In Sides.
2. OK Computer - Radiohead (I've listened to it exhaustively, I can't see
myself getting tired of it).
3= The Brown album
3= The Green album
3= Snivilisation (I'm not trying to be diplomatic, I just can't separate
them)
6. Leftism - Leftfield
7. There's No Need To Argue - The Cranberries
8. Tiger Bay - Saint Etienne
9. The Pyramid - Jon The Dentist
10. Babyteeth - Therapy?

I'd the top 6 are pretty much fixed, further down is slightly more liable
to change, especially as there are a number of albums I intend to buy
reasonably soon that I should quite like.

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From: -Niall C Christie- <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) orbital discovery
Date: 29 Jul 1997 16:03:36 +0100 (BST)


The first thing I ever remember hearing by Orbital was The Box on the
radio about a year and a half ago and I taped a bit of it, but only about
a minutes worth. I cursed myself not getting what the song was called and
who'd done it, thinking that small radio clip would be the only thing I
would have. I'm not much of a radio listener, it was just pure chance I'd
switched it on at that time. Later in the week, or month maybe, I happened
to watch Top of the Pops and suddenly it came on, the video for The Box. I
was "Oh, wow," and the video totally entranced me and I went straight out
and bought it.

And that was it for about six months, I listened lots to the CD but didn't
really ever consider buying an Orbital album or even finding out about
them, I wasn't really a music person. Then someone told me Orbital had an
album out called "In Sides" and I tried to borrow it off someone (I would
never buy anything then without giving it a rigorous listen) but nobody
had it so I went for broke and bought an album...the wrong one - the Green
one. I couldn't believe my shocking carelessness. I gave the album a
couple of half-listens, disheartened it didn't have The Box, and didn't
like it.

But a couple of months later I put it on a couple more times. You have to
realise I had been brought up on a sole diet of Indie/Rock stuff which I
vaguely liked but never loved, I'd never heard of the likes of Orbital or
anything like their music before. The album began growing and growing on
me, especially Chime and Desert Storm, and I started playing it very
loudly, enjoying the complaints from my neighbours in the Halls of
Residence (where I then lived). Mind you, they played "American Pie" an
obscene amount of times, singing along with it loudly, the scumfiends.

So my birthday arrived, what'd you like asked my mother and I got her to
get In Sides, and as a bonus she bought me the Brown album too.

Things just went from then on...

Congratulations for reading this far. I have now finished.

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: Welcome to orbital
Date: 30 Jul 1997 09:45:59 -0600 (MDT)


> Welcome to the orbital mailing list!

Just FYI: Everyone got this message because the subscriber list got nuked at
xmission and I had to resub everyone.  It probably wouldn't hurt for
everyone to remind themselves of the list rules again anyway . . .

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Subject: Re: (orbital) Music in ads/progs/films etc
Date: 30 Jul 1997 16:02:17 -0400 (EDT)













































                                                                           <<

                   When an advert uses a song, do they have to ask the
composer/record
                 company's permission to use it, or do they only have to
inform them that
              they are going to use it and regardless of whether the composer
wants his
                             song on that advert, they can use it provided
they have told him.

                                              And does this apply also to TV
programs and films?









































                                                                           >>

it's my understanding that as long as you own the copyright, anyone who wants
to use your work has to get your permission, and pay you whatever you charge.

some songs are so old they become public domain.  no one is paying royalties
to play the the 'american national anthem' or the '1812 overture'.

s c o t t
                                                                         did
you see the movie













                                                                         'the
doors'?  in the film














                                                                        while
jim was away in
















                                                                      france,
the rest of the













                                                                         band
decided to sell one











                                                                           of
the songs to a
















                                                                      company
for a car ad.

















                                                                     morrison
was pissed,










                                                                            i
think, because it


















                                                                    cheapened
the value of














                                                                        their
art.


























                                                            commercialization
and












                                                                          art
don't always work











                                                                           so
well together.  as











                                                                           an
architect, i can point











                                                                           to
the american suburbs












                                                                          and
see the art of

















                                                                     building
stripped down











                                                                           to
its most economical















                                                                       forms,
with little or no
















                                                                      concern
for creating


















                                                                    beautiful
spaces in which











                                                                           to
dwelll.


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From: "Chris Brittain" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) discovery + OT stuff
Date: 30 Jul 1997 20:54:12 UT


Hi all,

Just thought I'd join in and say how I first got into Orbital but my
story is a tad boring. I just heard The Box on the radio,(1FM a UK
station) thought it was absolutely fantastic,tried to buy it, could't get it
(don't ask me why as I've got it since) but then heard Orbital playing a
session (on the radio that is) and loved every song so I bought In Sides
and then bought every other Orbital album or single I could get my hands
on.
Anyway, to change the subject has anyone heard of Bently Rhythm Ace?
 'cos they're effin' brilliant. They're more in the vain of the Chems than
Orbital but I know quite a few of you like the Chems and I can definitely
recommend their self-titled album. I don't think you can get anything of
theirs outside the UK though (and it was hard enough getting it here)
but listen out for them.


Pete



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) discovery + OT stuff
Date: 30 Jul 1997 17:40:34 -0500 (CDT)


On 07/30/97 20:54:12 you wrote:
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>Just thought I'd join in and say how I first got into Orbital but my
>story is a tad boring. I just heard The Box on the radio,(1FM a UK
>station) thought it was absolutely fantastic,tried to buy it, could't get it
>(don't ask me why as I've got it since) but then heard Orbital playing a
>session (on the radio that is) and loved every song so I bought In Sides
>and then bought every other Orbital album or single I could get my hands
>on.
>Anyway, to change the subject has anyone heard of Bently Rhythm Ace?
> 'cos they're effin' brilliant. They're more in the vain of the Chems than
>Orbital but I know quite a few of you like the Chems and I can definitely
>recommend their self-titled album. I don't think you can get anything of
>theirs outside the UK though (and it was hard enough getting it here)
>but listen out for them.
>
>
>Pete
>
>
>

Astralwekrs is supposedly releasing the Bentley Rhythm Ace Album here in the states this fall.

A little bit o' trivia ......Bentley Rhythm ace contains ex members of Pop Will Eat Itself



ROB

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From: Ernesto Perez <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) MANGA MADNESS
Date: 30 Jul 1997 18:23:00 +0000


hey all,

just wanted to let those of you who live close ot the chicago area of an
event going on this saturday at HOUSE OF BLUES. MANGA VIDEO (those fine
folks responsible for all thos eanime videos here in the States) are
throwing a bash at House of Blues from midnight to 5 in the am. yours
truly will be providing the ausio assault and MANG is providing free
stuff. for more info heck out the HYPERREAL page and download the event
newsletter.
hope to see some of you guys there!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) Music in ads/progs/films etc
Date: 30 Jul 1997 16:02:17 -0400 (EDT)













































                                                                           <<

                   When an advert uses a song, do they have to ask the
composer/record
                 company's permission to use it, or do they only have to
inform them that
              they are going to use it and regardless of whether the composer
wants his
                             song on that advert, they can use it provided
they have told him.

                                              And does this apply also to TV
programs and films?









































                                                                           >>

it's my understanding that as long as you own the copyright, anyone who wants
to use your work has to get your permission, and pay you whatever you charge.

some songs are so old they become public domain.  no one is paying royalties
to play the the 'american national anthem' or the '1812 overture'.

s c o t t
                                                                         did
you see the movie













                                                                         'the
doors'?  in the film














                                                                        while
jim was away in
















                                                                      france,
the rest of the













                                                                         band
decided to sell one











                                                                           of
the songs to a
















                                                                      company
for a car ad.

















                                                                     morrison
was pissed,










                                                                            i
think, because it


















                                                                    cheapened
the value of














                                                                        their
art.


























                                                            commercialization
and












                                                                          art
don't always work











                                                                           so
well together.  as











                                                                           an
architect, i can point











                                                                           to
the american suburbs












                                                                          and
see the art of

















                                                                     building
stripped down











                                                                           to
its most economical















                                                                       forms,
with little or no
















                                                                      concern
for creating


















                                                                    beautiful
spaces in which











                                                                           to
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Yates)
Subject: Re: (orbital) Dead Can Dance
Date: 29 Jul 1997 15:53:48 +0000


Excellent live. Excellent collection. Every release is worth getting,
even though Lisa Gerrard's is beautifully depressing. (If you're
depressed, let Lisa get it out for you : )  Spine-tingling,
mind-numbing-type music. So so deep.

Baraka, a film which uses their music and is all music over nature and
people scenes from around the world is excellent as well and should
appeal to the list.

It seems that if one has good enough taste to appreciate Orbital, they
would appreciate DCD.

Awesome music.

Chris


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From: Marcolphus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) The perfect album
Date: 29 Jul 1997 09:43:58 +0200


Ok, here's mine:

1. Beck         - Mellow Gold
2. The Orb         - Orbvs Terrarvm
3. Tool         - Undertow
4. The Young Gods     - T.V. Sky
5. Rollins Band     - The End of Silence
6. Orbital         - In Sides/Diversions (can't decide ;-)
7. Jane's Addiction     - Nothing's Shocking
8. Dead Can Dance     - Within the Realm of a Dying Sun
9. Various         - Wipeout 2097
10. Chemical Brothers     - Dig Your Own Hole
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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) bruce duttenhoffer
Date: 30 Jul 1997 20:41:54 +0100


"Brian Lorraine" writes
>
>do you guys keep getting a message from this guy's server everytime you
>mail something to this mailing list saying his mailbox is full?
>

Yes. And Who ever keep's doing it is going to get a slap cause it's
bloody annoying. :)

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From: RKH <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) OK computer?
Date: 30 Jul 1997 21:31:36 GMT


so, i keep hearing about OK computer. what's it like? i mean, what kind of music is it? what's it like?



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From: Robert Spychala <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) (orbitaL) DISCOVERING ORBITAL AND TECHNO
Date: 31 Jul 1997 09:49:17 -0400 (EDT)



Man it's kind of weird how I got into techno music. Lemme see.. In 94 I
went to Europe for a couple of weeks. There I got a first taste of techno
music from some Franfurt ravers there. I was kinda bias against all the
repetition at first so it wasn't until the next summer until I went back
to Europe that I saw shows like Hause Frau on the German VIVA station that
I started getting into techno. When I came back to the states I began
researching techno on this new thing called 'the internet' and hearing of
the different bands like Orbital, ORB, etc, etc... Someone I knew had "Are
we here" the remix CD. I listened and just said to myself "This shit is
the bomb." The rest as they say is history :)

R.S.

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From: -Niall C Christie- <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) OK computer?
Date: 31 Jul 1997 15:13:42 +0100 (BST)




>
> so, i keep hearing about OK computer. what's it like? i mean, what kind
of music is it? what's it like?

It's guitary music, not rock as such, more like an improved Indie type of
music. It's very strong lyrically and the album is about the
computerisation of the world, a sort of grim future prediction. It's all
wonderfully depressing and paranoid.

It is all guitar stuff so won't be to the taste of everybody on the list
(probably) but it is an excellent album. It uses some synthesised sounds
but not predominantly, more as background effects (except in "Fitter,
happier" which is entirely computermade, but its more of a computer voice
monlogue than a song).

If you've heard Radiohead before you'll know what sort of stuff it is. But
if you haven't, well, you won't.


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From: Ehrlich <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Dead Can Dance
Date: 31 Jul 1997 10:35:36 -0400


>Excellent live. Excellent collection. Every release is worth getting,
>even though Lisa Gerrard's is beautifully depressing. (If you're
>depressed, let Lisa get it out for you : )  Spine-tingling,
>mind-numbing-type music. So so deep.

What is the title of this album???

Geoffrey A. Ehrlich
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From: Ehrlich <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) dcd snd files
Date: 31 Jul 1997 10:48:48 -0400


i have never heard dead can dance although they do happen to appear in many
perfect album lists.  i cant find any sound files on the web so if anyone
can send me some (with title of song) i would be very much obliged.

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From: [e-mail] (Chris Yates)
Subject: Re: (orbital) Dead Can Dance
Date: 31 Jul 1997 11:29:08 +0000


Lisa Gerrard's album is called The Mirror Pool. Beautifully depressing,
her group is Dead Can Dance minus the male lead vocalist, Brendan Perry.

Two good intro DCD albums would be A Passage In Time, which is a comp of
some of their best songs, and Toward's the Within, which is a live
album.

A description of their sound: They use instruments from around the world
and throughout time, and use music styles from around the world and
throughout time. A song might contain an arab drum with a chinese string
instrument that Lisa hits with thin drum sticks, with a renaissance
Italian style, as well as . This all is sometimes graced by Lisa's
entrancing vocals, which, for the most part, are just beautiful sounds,
not words.

Just buy them; I really don't imagine anyone being dissappointed. It is
like no other music.

Some members of the band released an album under the name Will, which is
also cool.

Check out the DCD site.


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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) BRA
Date: 31 Jul 1997 13:05:34 +0100


"Chris Brittain" writes

<little snip about discovery>

>Anyway, to change the subject has anyone heard of Bently Rhythm Ace?
> 'cos they're effin' brilliant. They're more in the vain of the Chems than
>Orbital but I know quite a few of you like the Chems and I can definitely
>recommend their self-titled album. I don't think you can get anything of
>theirs outside the UK though (and it was hard enough getting it here)
>but listen out for them.

I read a interview with them in The Face and they seemed like quite an
amusing lot. But when I heard "Midlander...." I wasn't really that
impressed. But that's me :)
 But I did like a remix they did of a track I heard on the radio the
other day....bloomin mad it was.
 I think they may actually be in the states at the mo', but I could be
*completely* wrong, so don't take my word for it. If you see'em chenck
them out, because I think they are going to be huge.
>
>
>Pete
>

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From:    Danny Colquhoun <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) OK computer?
Date: 31 Jul 1997 14:59:31 -0300 (ADT)


On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, RKH wrote:

>
> so, i keep hearing about OK computer. what's it like? i mean, what kind of music is it? what's it like?


This is DEFINATELY Radiohead's BEST album yet, and will go down as the
best of the year.  It's just so bloody good.  There's not a lot of harder
songs like on Pablo Honey or The Bends, there are a few, but it's still
the best album I own.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) OK computer?
Date: 31 Jul 1997 18:36:12 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-07-31 10:16:52 EDT, you write:

<< It is all guitar stuff so won't be to the taste of everybody on the list
 (probably) but it is an excellent album. It uses some synthesised sounds
 but not predominantly, more as background effects (except in "Fitter,
 happier" which is entirely computermade, but its more of a computer voice
 monlogue than a song).

 If you've heard Radiohead before you'll know what sort of stuff it is. But
 if you haven't, well, you won't.
  >>
I haven't heard OK Computer yet, but I have The Bends, and it's very good.  I
really think that Radiohead is taking "rock" (in quotes cos they don't really
fall into a genre that easily) in new directions.  I think that may be one of
the reasons I like them...I like most of the people pushing the boundaries of
music.....

now playing:  Choice....This is the first time I've listened to Green in a
few months.  Guess what?  It still jams


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) Ginger (for those who offered to buy it from me)
Date: 31 Jul 1997 18:39:38 -0400 (EDT)


I know some of you wanted to buy Ginger from me, but I've already committed
it to Chris Yates.  Sorry.....


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) best list
Date: 31 Jul 1997 23:38:28 -0400 (EDT)


whoever put the jock jams compilation on their favorite album list...

that doesn't count.  of course compilations are going to rule.  if those
types of albums were open game for best's lists, i'll put down every mix tape
i made in the last year.

the only perfect albums i can think of is:

pegboy 'strong reaction'   chicago punk rock at it's epitome.

snapcase 'progression through unlearning'  this cd just does not stop,  plus
it comes with a 12 minute quicktime movie on the cd that has band interviews
and live footage.




++++
    sorry about my message the other day with the jim morrison/doors stuff.
 i didn't plan on it getting so screwy at the end.


s c o t t


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From: Jess Rhodes <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) My story begins...
Date: 30 Jul 1997 08:05:04 -0600


My story begins in Dallas, not so very long ago... and yet so much has
happened since then, it seems almost like an eternity. I was in Deep Ellum,
Dallas' arts/music district with some friends one night, and as we were
walking down the street, I decided to visit a music shop called
Tunnelwerks. The most enchanting music I'd ever heard filled the room. It
was Dwr Budr, as I now know. I listened all the way to the first part of
Out There Somewhere? before I left. I had asked the store clerk who it was,
and he replied, "Orbital." Orbital. Wow. I had to get some. The entire way
back home, I  kept on harping on about Orbital, almost to the point of
really pissing them off. About a week later when I got the chance, I got a
copy of In Sides w/ Times Fly, and I was instantly in love. Later I got
Snivilization, which was a LOT different, and it took me a while to get
into. Now it's one of my favorites. I like all of them for different
reasons. The next two albums for me were green and then brown. I loved both
of them, but at first I listened to the first one more. Now I'm an absolute
Orbital fanatic. I love pretty much everything they've ever done.

Well, that's my story...

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From: "Brian Lorraine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) orbital 1 (yellow/green album)
Date: 30 Jul 1997 05:26:27 PDT


whoa. The albums i first bought by orbital (in order) were ORBITAL 2, IN
SIDES, SNIV.., and DIVERSIONS...

just yesterday i finally bought and listened to the first album the
first time. whoa...... hehe WAS THAT ORBITAL?? hehe quite a shock if the
first orbital album is the last one you've heard...  lot of it kinda
techno/rave sorta' stuff... really neat though and i love it. First time
i've heard belfast and chime (and the original version of satan). Bobo
like... hehe very shocked though

what other orbital albums are out (not singles) other than Orbital,
Orbital 2, DIversions, Snivilization, and In sides?

peace,
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From: "Lee Wightman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital Discovery
Date: 30 Jul 1997 03:40:02 PDT


Sorry if you get this twice but it doesn't seem to have worked first
time. I blame Bruce Dottenwhatsisname  (yes, I'm having problems with
him too).


Hi all,

Living in the UK I'm fortunate enough to remember when Chime first got
in the charts (1990ish? Is it really that long ago?).

At the time I wasn't really into techno, what there was of it around at
that time. Actually I was getting heavily into Carter the Unstoppable
Sex Machine. For those of you who don't know they were (still are to
some extent) a kind of punk-pop band, but the thing that made them stand
out to me, apart from the biting riffs and lyrics, was their use of
keyboards and samples to conjure up a dark & brooding or rebellious
atmosphere. Looking back this is probably where I got my thirst for
techno from.

Anyway, back to P&P.
So I heard Chime. I remember thinking "Yeah, nice little ditty", or
words to that effect, but it wasn't really my cup of tea. It wasn't
until 1993 that I started to become interested in Orbital and the techno
scene.

One day, a lad in my class at college offered me his walkman head-phones
: "Listen to this. It's mad!" he said. It was loads of weird ambient
noises accompanied by a sample of someone talking about morphine drips.
It was The Orb's "Little Fluffy Clouds" on "Live '93". I'd never heard
anything like it before and, being the open-minded chap that I am, was
interested in this (to me) new concept, or fusion of concepts, in music.

So I insisted that this guy lend me a few of his CD's. He gave me
Orbital 1 (Praise the Lord!). The Mobeius; Chime; Belfast. I was in
love, a love that continues flourish to this day.

Hope I haven't bored you.



hello?


hello?




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