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Subject: Dial-up e-mail services - how?
To: [e-mail]

Not since the days we used ACSnet software have we had a requirement to
handle dial-up e-mail services. Now we have a couple of fairly serious
queries from local sites wishing to get an AARNet affiliate e-mail feed
from us.

I would like to hear from a site which currently provides dial-up mail
services to an affiliate to find out how you do it. Can somebody please
advise?

Regards, Brad Cooper    Internet:[e-mail]
Phone:[phone]     Snail:  Computer Centre, James Cook University,
  Fax:[phone]             Townsville, QLD, Australia 4811.


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From: Richard Perini <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dial-up e-mail services - how?
To: [e-mail] (Brad Cooper)
Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 11:34:57 +1000 (EST)

We use both MHSnet and UUCP to provide dial-up services to several clients.
IDA-sendmail takes care of the mail re-routing.

--
Richard Perini                                       Internet:  [e-mail]
Corinthian Engineering Pty Ltd                       PHONE:     [phone]
Sydney, Australia                                    FAX:       [phone]


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To: Brad Cooper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dial-up e-mail services - how?
From: Mark Prior <[e-mail]>

We use PMDF (the VMS mailer) to provide dial-up mail service, the
other ends are Unix machines using the CMDF mail package. This means
that we have a dedicated account on our PMDF hub which they dial into
and it runs the phonenet protocol allowing them to pick up their mail
(Telecom Adelaide receive their news feed that way).

We aren't servicing anyone via ACSnet at the moment but if we are
asked we would do it.

Mark.


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To: Brad Cooper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dial-up e-mail services - how?
From: George Michaelson <[e-mail]>

MHSnet and UUCP. via Annex-III terminal server, using LAT and telnet
to achieve best possible throughput depending on circumstances.

You want 8-bit clean data path: h/w handshake to modems, no XON/XOFF
if avoidable.

You want V.32 as a minimum.

You dont want compression. pre-compress news. compressed modems are too
bursty.

You may want V32bis to get 14.4k true linespeed.

UUCP is a bummer. avoid it.

You can do dial-in slip onto a box like a netblazer. locally this is
leased-line mode but functionally is pretty similar bar the login processing.
PPP also works well. X.25... we do but avoid that too. ISDN lines locally
are pretty cheap and can fit in but 2-wire leased line to 14,4k predominates
after dial-in to V.32.

if you do a few, do direct-number dialling. if you do many, rotary is a MUST.


overheads for spooling: 6Mb is pretty good. they need to dial at least 5hrs/day
to flush a full newsfeed and mail. I'd allow 10Mb per feed and demand 4 connects
a day.

we charge $1.5kpa local costs. its too little.

-George


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Dial-up e-mail services - how?
Sender: Rollo Ross <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

    We do it for several local sites. The easy way is using PMDF on
VMS; it virtually runs itself, but it does need VMS at both ends. We also
have one site doing it with ACSnet, which provides Unix-to-Unix connection but
is a pain, merely because it's our only remaining use for ACSnet.
    If you want more details of the PMDF option, feel free to ask.
If you want comments on the ACSnet option, ask Bevin Steer
(Bevin.Steer@UniSA), but don't expect glowing praise!

                                    Rollo Ross, the man with no title

Computer Centre,  University of South Australia, The Levels, SA 5095, Australia
Ph [phone]    Fax [phone]   DTE 505282622004    [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (John Bradbury)
Subject: Dial up E-Mail
To: [e-mail]

    Brad,
    Here we use decnet/pathworks and are using Austpac
    to allow our travellers/homeusers to access the services.
    However I am about to implement an async router to allow
    a full decnet connection over the phone lines and thus
    allow all of the layered products in the ethernet to be
    available from external dial up as well. Hope this is of
    some use?

                        Regards,
                        John Bradbury


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Dial-up e-mail services - how?
Sender: Chris Chaundy <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

We support PhoneNet protocol to VAX/VMS (aka PMDF), SMTP over semi-permanent
SLIP lines (once again through PMDF plus MultiNet and NetBlazer) and plan to
offer MHSnet (we have got the software installed but due to lack of customers,
have yet to test/use it).

Regards, Chris Chaundy (Technical Manager, Networks)

Information Technology Services, Thomas Cherry Building,
The University of Melbourne, Parkville, Victoria 3052 Australia
Phone:    [phone]                Fax:   [phone]
Internet: [e-mail]     (X.121 505233430003)


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Dial-up e-mail services - how?
To: [e-mail]

Brad,

If you are using PMDF as your main mail manager, you can use Phone Net.

If the other end is a Unix box, give them CMDF.(comes with PMDF).

We had this working here, but the user discontinued it because our
charges were too high.

Alan Agnew
QUT


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To: Brad Cooper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dial-up e-mail services - how?
From: Craig Warren <[e-mail]>
    advise?

We provide dial-up services for uucp and ACSnet feeds. They
pay us for the priviledge. We have a sliding scale depending
on whether they are a commercial organization ($1000pa), or
a small individual organization (~$100 pa), and depending on
whether they want a full news feed, etc.

Probably the $1000 is fairly cheap, as these people tend to
use a lot of disk space, and modem connect time.

Let me know what else you want to know.

Regards, Craig


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To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Dial-up e-mail services - how?
From: [e-mail]  (Simon Hackett)

If you have Vax/VMS systems there, I highly recommend using PMDF for
this sort of connection (and not just because I sell it :-) ). It
supports dialup connections and does lots of nice smart, configurable
things in terms of rewriting mail addresses sensibly, and it also
handles configurable login scripts and configurables times when
people call in (or out).

It can talk to a unix box at the other end if you put "cmdf" on that
unix box. "cmdf" is some free code that can talk to the "PhoneNet"
mail channel in PMDF. We have implemented a number of mail links this
way (pmdf to cmdf) in the past. PMDF also knows about other ways to
link two systems (e.g. SMTP over X25, smtp, decnet, lots of others).

Cheers,
   Simon

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{  E-mail: [e-mail]                }
{  Phone: [phone]  Fax: [phone]    }
{  Mail: PO Box 69, Daw Park, SA 5041 AUSTRALIA  }
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From: Hugh Irvine <[e-mail]>
To: Brad Cooper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dial-up e-mail services - how?

connect.com.au pty ltd provides exactly the service that you refer
to. We currently operate in Melbourne and Sydney, with Adelaide,
Brisbane, Canberra and Perth to follow next month.

We can certainly help you with information concerning how to set
things up, or alternatively you might consider just using our service
directly. Either way, let us know if we can assist in any way.

I'll append our standard mailout at the end of this message for you
to have a look at.

regards

Hugh


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Executive Summary

The last several years have seen explosive growth in the areas of
personal computers, professional workstations, local area networks,
and high speed telecommunications. The PC has become a ubiquitous
fixture in almost every office, workstations can be found on many
engineers desks and some companies have started down the arduous path
of linking all of these machines together, both internally with LANs
and less often over wide area networks. Very few commercial
organisations have begun to explore the realms of enterprise-wide
electronic mail, never mind imagining the possibilities of global
interconnections offering a whole range of information services.

This commercial reality is in stark contrast to the academic and
research communities, who have enjoyed access to just such a
worldwide network for many years. The Internet is currently the
world's largest network, comprising over 1,000,000 computers and over
10,000,000 people in 110 countries. New computers are being added to
the Internet at the rate of 1,000 per day! And this rate is expected
to increase for at least the next five to ten years.

The Internet is represented in Australia by AARNet, the Australian
Academic and Research Network which was established in 1990. AARNet
is managed by the Australian Vice-Chancellors' Committee to provide
common data communications services to the Australian academic and
research sector. Unfortunately, commercial access to AARNet has been
hampered by the lack of a commercial gateway service, as AARNet's
stated intent is not to provide services to end users.

It is to fill this gap, as well as to provide an independent
commercial network service that connect.com.au pty ltd has been
formed. connect.com.au pty ltd provides dial-in, or leased-line
gateway access to AARNet and the Internet for commercial
organisations and individuals. connect.com.au pty ltd has initially
established network hubs in Melbourne and Sydney, with high speed
ISDN links connecting the hubs, and forming the gateway to AARNet.

Customers are offered a range of connectivity options extending from
simple dial-up modems through to permanent high-speed lines. Services
offered include electronic mail, network news, archive service and
file transfers, as well as directory services, fax gateways and
access to on-line information servers.

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Technical Summary

Connect.com.au provides access using all of the popular modem
technology: V.22bis, V.32, Telebit TrailBlazers, ISDN, and others.

Using these we offer most of the popular communication protocols in
use in Australia:  including UUCP, SL/IP, PPP, and others. We are
willing to cater to other protocols such as Phonenet as needs and
demand arise.

In addition to these services, we will act as an MX gateway (ie
receive mail on your behalf from the Internet) for you and queue it
for your site using whatever protocol. You also can send mail to any
site connected to the network worldwide. Any number of users can send
and receive mail from your site. The only limitation on the amount of
mail that you can send or receive is the bandwidth capacity of your
connection with connect.com.au.

This provides a huge benefit for organisations that previously
connected through a university or "friendly" company because the
confidentiality of your messages is important to us as a company.
There aren't students cracking the system or company employees
snooping through queued mail looking for interesting snippets of
information.

We can also provide news feeds as required. Again the only limitation
is the bandwidth capacity of your connection with connect.com.au.

To reduce the load on other servers, we  provide an FTP-mail
server for use by connect.com.au customers. This not only saves the
extra networking overhead associated with shipping files to and from
the FTP server, but it means speedier access to files that you
request.

For those users connecting via dialup IP, we will also be offering
NTP the network time protocol, SMTP for mail transfer, and proxy FTP
to give you access to remote file servers.

Dialup IP using connect.com.au offers companies a cheap and high
speed connection between offices in different cities without paying
for a dedicated connection.

Futures

In the future we expect to be able to offer direct local fax delivery
to allow you to e-mail your faxes to their destination without
leaving your terminal.

We will also be offering an X.400 / X.500 gateway service in the very
near future, for those customers wishing this type of access.

Pricing

Basic access costs $2000 per year. In addition an MX record for mail
delivery is required by AARNet. We can organise this directly with
AARNet on your behalf for an annual fee of $250. Our basic charge
covers one and a half hours of access per day at 9600 baud (minimum)
using whatever connection method you like.

Other access -- say, more than one and a half hours fixed per day or
multiple site access -- can be negotiated.

Note: All charges are payable annually and in advance.

There is a 10% discount (off basic access charge) for AUUG members.

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Subject: Further Information regarding DIALUP services
To: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 25 May 93 13:23:21 EST
From: Brian Evans <[e-mail]>
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Brad,

here is some further information regarding dialup services email/news etc.



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