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- CURRENT_MEETING_REPORT_
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- Reported by Steven Jackowski/Syzygy Communications
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- Minutes of the Internet Stream Protocol V2 Working Group (ST2)
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- Introduction
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- The ST2 Working Group met in both morning and afternoon sessions on 3
- April at the 32nd IETF meeting in Danvers, Massachusetts. Lou Berger
- chaired the meeting with Steve Jackowski acting as Scribe. Luca
- Delgrossi, the working group co-chair was unable to attend due to a new
- job.
-
- Because the protocol specifications have been submitted as an RFC, the
- primary objective of the meeting was to review and discuss the draft of
- the State Machine document as well as to determine the future direction
- of the group.
-
- During the meeting, Frank Kastenholtz introduced himself as one of the
- new Internet Area co-Directors. Sue Thompson is the other new
- co-Director.
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- Agenda
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- o Agenda Bashing
- o Status of Group
- o State Machines
- - Status
- - Detailed Discussion
- o Open Issues
- o Wrap-up
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- Working Group Status
-
- The ST2 Working Group had two main chartered goals:
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- 1. Protocol Specification
- 2. State Machines
-
- Over the mailing list, the group agreed to submit the ST protocol
- specification for publications as an Experimental RFC. The protocol
- specification, draft-ietf-st2-spec-04.fps,txtg, was submitted on 24
- March. Publication is awaiting IESG action.
-
- The State Machine draft, draft-ietf-st2-state-00.fps,txtg, is in
- progress with a targeted completion of June. If the State Machine draft
- is indeed completed in this time frame, the working group may not meet
- in Stockholm. The intent is to publish the State Machine document as an
- Informational RFC.
-
-
- Detailed Review of the State Machine Draft
-
- The group began a detailed, section by section review of the State
- Machine draft and began to identify issues. This discussion was led by
- Murali Rajagopal, the author of the State Machine draft.
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- Sections 2, 3 and General Issues
-
- Murali Rajagopal started his presentation of state machines by reviewing
- the current draft. He presented this main design change from previous
- drafts which is to use FIFO queues between state machines. He also
- reviewed the message/response table and a message direction table, which
- provide a good representation of protocol message relationships.
-
- Eric Crawley pointed out a discrepancy between the State Machine
- document and the protocol specification in that the State Machine
- document refers to `Origin Side' and `Target Side' while the protocol
- specification uses `upstream' and `downstream' respectively.
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- It was agreed that the State Machine document would be updated to use
- the terms `previous hop' and `next hop' for neighbor dependent terms and
- `upstream' and `downstream' for general terms.
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- Section 4: Origin State Machines
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- It was agreed that references to a `State Machine per interface' would
- be changed to `State Machine per next hop.' This clarification is
- required because it is likely that there is more than one next hop per
- interface.
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- After some discussion, it was agreed to add a reference to timeouts with
- respect to awaiting ACCEPTs or REFUSEs. A timeout in this circumstance
- is an implicit REFUSE.
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- The issue of how the sending of data relates to the described states was
- discussed at some length. This issues is described in greater detail
- below.
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- The group also discussed the issue of handling a REFUSE message from an
- unrelated target while in the middle of a sub-state machine? It was
- agreed that all sub-state machines must process REFUSEs from unrelated
- targets.
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- Section 5: Router State Machines
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- The group agreed that the Router State Machine needs clarification as to
- when data is permitted and which state machine (upstream or downstream)
- controls distribution of data when the multicast group is in transition.
-
- It was pointed out that both of the current Router State Machines may be
- needlessly complex: that states to handle REFUSE, ACCEPT, etc., may be
- unnecessary. Once in the Stream-established state, these messages are
- events that simply require an ACK. There should be no state transition.
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- It was reiterated that JOIN state does not need to be kept by the
- router. This will be discussed off line and updated in the
- specification accordingly.
-
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- Section 6: Target State Machine
-
- It was pointed out that there is an error in the draft, and ADD
- functionality should be removed from the Target State Machine.
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- The morning session was adjourned after agreeing to use the afternoon
- session to hit the key issues raised in the morning.
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- Review of Open Issues
-
- The afternoon session was used to begin to resolve the following issues
- which were identified in the morning session:
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- o Establish how to handle sending of data after first accept.
- o Resolve where data is forwarded and where is it dropped.
- o Is `E' bit handling on Refuse (refuse of change but do not take
- down stream) included in the current diagrams?
- o Interaction with Local Resource Management is not considered.
- o How are Timeouts addressed?
- o How do we include Error Conditions or failure detection.
- o Do we need an API interface description?
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- When Can We Send Data
-
- The issue of the relationship between when data forwarding is allowed
- and related to specific states was discussed at some length. It was
- agreed that there needs to be more definition of function within
- specific states. In particular, in which states is data transmission
- allowed. It was agreed that states could be eliminated in the Origin
- State diagram to allow existence of the stream and data transmission.
-
- It was agreed that data forwarding should not be explicitly linked to a
- state change, and that data forwarding would be separated from control
- state machines. This may also require a separate state machine for data
- forwarding which gets triggered on processing an ACCEPT message.
-
- There was much discussion on null streams and JOINs. It became clear
- that there needs to be a per-stream higher level view of the state for
- the Origin. That is, we need state for each stream which includes the
- possibility of null streams and JOINs. However, there still exists
- context on a per-next-hop basis. This whole topic is taken as an action
- item to be resolved in the next version of the draft.
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- `E' Bit
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- A general comment was made that the processing of the `E' bit in REFUSE
- messages must be added to all state diagrams.
-
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- Local Resource Management (LRM)
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- It was agreed that the state machines are missing references to LRM
- functions. While LRMs are not defined in the protocol specification,
- certain messages require processing by the LRM. These messages are:
- CONNECT, ACCEPT, CHANGE, REFUSE and DISCONNECT.
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- Diagrams will be updated to show LRM interfaces on processing these
- messages.
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-
- Other Items
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- Several general points were made on:
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- o Timeouts Timeout handling will be added in the next draft by Sharon
- Sergeant.
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- o Failure detection State machines for failure processing need to be
- added. These are largely orthogonal to the control state machines.
-
- o API mapping It was agreed that we a mechanism to add API interfaces
- to state machines. This does not mean specifying an API, it will
- just describe the suggested API interactions with the state
- machine. This will be based on the service model description of in
- the protocol specification.
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- In addition to simplification and consolidation of existing state
- machines, as well as inclusion of the state machines described above for
- Data Forwarding, Failure Detection, and APIs, there were two outstanding
- issues that must be resolved in the next draft with respect to the
- router state machines:
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- 1. The handling of JOIN/JOIN REFUSE and upstream-oriented messages
- must be revisited.
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- 2. The interfaces between origin and target sides of the router state
- machines must be specified in more detail.
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- Action Items
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- The next draft of State Machines is targeted for mid-May. Tim O'Malley
- and Steve Jackowski agreed to assist Murali with the preparation of new
- state machines for the next draft. Eric Crawley and Lou Berger will
- provide input and review these updates.
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- The decision to meet in Stockholm will be based on the status of the
- State Machine draft at that point.
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