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- Editor's note: These minutes have not been edited.
-
- Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 12:37:34 -0400
- From: Lou Berger <lberger@bbn.com>
-
-
- Minutes for Toronto IETF ST-II Working Group Meeting
- July 26th and 28th, 1994
-
- Reported by: Steve Jackowski (with edits by Lou Berger)
-
- The ST-II working group met on Tuesday July 26th and Thursday July 28th
- from 1:30 to 3:30 p.m. Luca Delgrossi and Lou Berger chaired the meeting
- with Steve Jackowski acting as Scribe. The objective of these meetings
- was to resolve all outstanding issues in the revision to ST-II so that
- new internet working drafts could be completed by the end of September
- 1994.
-
- The Tuesday meeting began with a review of working group actions to
- date. This included some substantial protocol simplification and the
- issuing of new drafts. The rest of the meeting was focused on reviewing
- the existing draft documents.
-
- In the latest revision two of the drafts were combined. There are now
- two documents rather than three. The are:
- Introduction to ST-II
- ST Protocol Specification
-
- It was agreed that the Introduction Document just required editing and
- no technical issues need to be resolved. So the Working Group focused
- on review of the ST Protocol Specification (dated 7/24/94).
-
- The second draft includes many updated ares. Some areas still need
- to be written, which is the reason why the drafts have not been issued
- as Internet Drafts. There are also some new areas. It was pointed out
- that the draft still needs a good introduction.
-
- The group discussed the name of the revised protocol. It was agreed
- that the new name would be ST-2+, and that it will be distinguished from
- ST-II by having a version number one greater than the current ST-II value.
-
- The rest of the meeting was spent reviewing the current draft. Key
- areas of change and clarification were highlighted. Areas discussed
- were:
-
- o User service description
-
- This section was updated per previously agreed upon changes. Key issues
- were when data can be sent and when messages may be processed. (Data
- will not be sent until at least one ACCEPT has been received by the
- origin.) It was agreed that drop messages will be added to the service
- model state machine to reflect the 'no change' of state in established,
- change, or add states.
-
- o Stream set-up
-
- This section was updated for clarity. The only change was that ACKs are
- required in response to CONNECT messages. The section will be updated
- to indicated that if a joining target cannot support minimum flowspec,
- it should refuse.
-
- o Data transfer
-
- This section was updated per previously agreed upon changes and mirrors
- the changes in the user service description. The additional topic of
- MTU was covered. MTU is now in the CONNECT and ACCEPT messages and is
- updated on a hop by hop basis. Maximum message size is obtained from
- the ACCEPT message.
-
- o Stream modification
-
- This section will be based on IBM's implementation. The basis of this
- section can be found in ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com:pub/st/st2-recv.ps. An
- open issue was identified that was discussed in the second session. It
- was also pointed out that the SID is missing in the JOIN packet format.
-
- o Stream tear-down
-
- No Changes were made to this section.
-
- o Stream set-up: exceptional cases
-
- Sections on time-out handling and path convergence need to be updated.
- Time-out handling will be updated to include 2 time-out periods, one
- pre-ACK and one post, rather than one per message type. Path
- convergence has been removed for simplicity. Source Routing as an
- operational option will be dropped. Lastly it was agreed that Section
- 6.3 is in the wrong place and will be moved to stream setup section.
-
- o Failure detection and recovery
-
- This section was updated for clarity. It was agreed that precedence
- will be the chosen word to replace StreamImportance, and that the
- section on recovery timeout needs to be clear about stream teardown.
- Stream preemption will also be clarified to allow intermediate nodes to
- optionally rebuild a stream after preemption. In this case, if
- successful, a REFUSE is not sent to the upstream node.
-
- o Groups of streams
-
- Previously agreed upon changes were documented.
-
- o Ancillary functions
-
- This section still needs to be updated.
-
- o FlowSpec
-
- Previously agreed upon changes were documented. This included the
- definition of the Null FlowSpec for SCMP testing. The use of a uniform
- FlowSpec across single stream, and the introduction of QoS classes.
- Allocation implication of QoS classes were discussed in Thursday's
- session. This section will also be updated to cover FlowSpec
- reconciliation.
-
- o State machines
-
- The state machines were updated by Murali Rajagopal. They are available
- in postscript and were handed out in the meeting.
-
-
- Second session, July 28th
-
- The goal of the Thursday meeting was to resolve all major outstanding
- issues. The session began by listing all sections needing to be written
- or updated, but not containing any technical issues. Those sections
- are:
- - 2.2.1 Empty target list
- - 2.6[new] MTU discovery
- - 4.1 The origin adding new targets
- FlowSpec handling on stream expansion
- - 4.2 A target joining a stream (import)
- - 6.1 Setup failures
- Time-out handling
- - 6.2 Further issues
- Path convergence
- - 6.3.3 Join authorization (import)
- - 7.1 Failure detection
-
- The rest of the meeting was spent reviewing issues to be resolved. The
- issues were:
- - SCMP fragmentation
- - CHANGE-REQUEST message
- - STATUS / HELLO messages
- - Groups of stream
- - FlowSpec
- >> Jitter / latency range
- >> Definition of parameters with predictive QoS
- - Sub-network usage
- - IP encapsulation / IP multicast
- - Sub-streams / drop priorities
- - Reason codes
-
- o SCMP fragmentation
-
- The issue discussed was handling of the case where SCMP messages are
- larger than the path MTU. Two alternatives were discussed: generic SCMP
- fragmentation and multiple messages and truncation. The group decided
- to maintain procedure of sending multiple messages and truncating
- long SCMP messages or parameters as currently specified in RFC1190.
-
- o CHANGE-REQUEST message
-
- This discussion centered around the issue of are CHANGE-REQUEST messages
- end-to-end messages or can they be generated by intermediate agents. It
- was agreed that as currently specified, CHANGE-REQUESTs are only
- end-to-end and can be supported out of band. Therefore this message
- will be eliminated. It was also agreed that if sub-streams were ever
- added this type of message may be needed by intermediate agents.
-
- o STATUS / HELLO messages
-
- Two separate issues were discussed. The first issue was if these
- messages should be combined. These messages share a very similar
- format but serve very different functions. It was agreed that these
- messages should be kept separate.
-
- The second issue discussed was the question of can HELLO be sent when
- no streams exist. Since HELLO is really designed to be a stream
- failure detection mechanism, it was decided to not allow HELLO message
- exchange when no streams exist. It was also pointed out that STATUS
- messages can be used to detect/poll neighbor ST agents.
-
- o Groups of stream
-
- The issue discussed was really if sub-set implementations are to be
- allowed. It was felt that sub-set implementations should not be
- included in the new spec, and that this was a major problem with
- RFC-1190. It was therefore agreed that support of groups of streams
- will be required.
-
- o FlowSpec
-
- Two separate issues were discussed. The first issue was addressing
- the inability to specify an acceptable latency range. A proposal was
- put forward to add a latency range field. The origin would set
- maximum acceptable latency range. Each intermediated agent would add
- to minimum and maximum delay and check to see if maximum is exceeded.
- The possible latency range is maximum less minimum. This proposal was
- accepted.
-
- The second issue discussed was FlowSpec interpretation with predictive
- QoS. A proposal was put forward and was rejected. An alternative was
- accepted. The alternative was to use current size and rate fields as
- peak values, and to add new fields for average size and rate values. It
- was also agreed to investigate the viability of using other published
- FlowSpecs and not defining an ST specific FlowSpec.
-
- o Sub-network usage
-
- The issue discussed was the definition of expected resource and
- multicast address management services provided by sub-networks. It was
- agreed that all services are to be provided solely by each sub-network,
- and that sub-net issues are outside scope of document. References to
- sub-network issues will be eliminated from the document. It is expected
- that sub-network issues will be addressed in future documents, e.g. ST
- over ATM or ST over ethernet.
-
- o IP encapsulation / IP multicast
-
- The definition of IP encapsulation of ST was reviewed. Some
- implications of RFC-1190 will be clarified in the new spec. A new field
- will also be added to count the number of IP encapsulated hops along a
- path. The spec will be clarified to state that the predictive
- capabilities are lost when IP encapsulation is used. The spec will also
- be updated to state that if the multicast parameter is used in the
- CONNECT message, the receiving agent must be able to receive on the
- specified address in order to accept the connection.
-
- o Sub-streams / drop priorities
-
- Sub-streams and drop priorities are separate issues. It was agreed that
- drop priorities will be preserved.
-
- The sub-streams issue was that sub-streams have been brought up
- repeatedly in working group sessions, but no definition has yet been
- agreed upon. It was agreed that sub-streams will not be specified. The
- remaining bits will be left unspecified. These bits will not be set,
- not examined, and passed through by routers. This allows for possible
- future extensions to the protocol, even to support sub-streams.
-
- o Reason codes
-
- Reason codes still need to be reexamined and updated.
-
- The meeting concluded (about an 1 hour late) with a review of action
- items:
- - Investigate other FlowSpecs
- - Update introduction
- - Document finite state machine diagrams
- - Complete draft specification
-
- With no further business to discuss, the session was adjourned.
-