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- CURRENT_MEETING_REPORT_
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- Reported by Steven Jackowski/Syzygy Communications
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- Minutes of the Internet Stream Protocol V2 Working Group (ST2)
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- Introduction
-
- The ST2 Working Group met on 6 and 7 December 1994 at the 31st IETF
- meeting in San Jose, California. Lou Berger chaired the meeting with
- Steve Jackowski acting as Scribe. Luca Delgrossi, the working group
- co-chair, was unable to attend. The objective of the meeting was to
- finalize all outstanding issues with the current Internet-Draft to
- prepare it for submission as an RFC, and to set the direction for the
- rest of the working group's activities.
-
- Lou first introduced the group's Area Director, Stev Knowles, who had a
- few comments for the group. Steve indicated that the IESG is not
- looking favorably on certain press statements about ST or ST-2+. The
- primary point was that some press has indicated that ST-2 is a new
- Internet Standard. As stated in the working group's charter, ST is on
- the experimental track and will not be a ``Internet Standard.'' Stev
- requested that those involved with ST make sure that they, and their
- respective organizations, properly represent the work on ST in the IETF.
-
-
- Agenda
-
- The agenda for the rest of sessions was:
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-
- o Agenda bashing
- o Status of draft
- o Overview of changes
- o Detailed review of draft
- o Discussion on open issues
- o Wrap up
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-
- Status of the Draft
-
- The current draft is draft-ietf-st2-spec-01.fps, txtg. It is the second
- draft issued since the Toronto meeting. The next version is in progress
- and will be issued in January. It is expected that this will be a
- complete draft. Originally, the working group had planned to produce
- three RFCs:
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-
- 1. Introduction to ST technology
- 2. Design of ST2 protocol
- 3. Protocol message formats
-
-
- At the Toronto meeting it was agreed to merge the message formats into
- the Design document. In this meeting it was agreed to consolidate the
- key portions of the Stand-alone Introduction with the Introduction of
- the Design Document (Section 1). Thus, the main output of this working
- group will be published as one document.
-
- Since the State Diagrams section has not been reviewed to the same level
- as the rest of the draft, it was agreed that the diagrams will be
- finalized and published separately.
-
-
- Overview of Changes
-
- An overview on changes in the draft since Toronto was given. A list of
- sections that had been updated or written was review. The group also
- reviewed which sections still need updating.
-
-
- Detailed Review of Draft
-
- Moving on to other sections of the current document, the group reviewed
- changes to the current Internet-Draft section by section and discussed
- and resolved any outstanding issues:
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-
- Section 1
-
- The merge of the introduction draft into Section 1 is still in progress.
- The current draft now has an introductory section, but it is not yet
- complete.
-
-
- Section 2
-
- There were no changes to Section 2.
-
-
- Section 3
-
- SCMP Functional Description (3) needs an introduction of types of
- streams and impact on states. This section may also serve as a place
- for examples of applications using the various types of streams such as
- when different levels of Join authorization are used.
-
- In Section 3.1.4.1, text will be updated to indicate that excess
- resources should be released when processing ACCEPT.
-
- In 3.2.2 and 3.4.2, Join Authorization was introduced based on the IBM
- implementation. Their implementation included a level that the group
- agreed (at GMU) could be implemented by using an out-of-band message.
- This level, known as `Ask Origin' will be deleted from the next version
- of the draft.
-
- It was also pointed out that state is a critical aspect of the Join
- authorization. That is, if the origin is not notified of the Join,
- state information is not complete, and recovery is not possible.
-
- An issue related to join level 2 (OK, do not notify origin) was
- discussed next. The issue is that with level 2 streams an origin may
- not be able to disconnect specific targets because full state is not
- maintained in all ST agents. A method to support this type of
- disconnect was proposed at GMU by one of the attending students. The
- method is to flood the disconnect to all next hop agents when the join
- level is 2 and the specified target is unknown. The group unanimously
- agreed that this solution provides uniformity at the application level
- and therefor should be used.
-
- Two issues were discussed relating to Section 3.4.2. The first was that
- the Join FlowSpec is not needed and references will be removed from the
- document. The second issue was that a JOIN-REJECT message type had been
- discussed but was not in the latest draft. It was agreed that this
- message should still be added.
-
- In Section 3.4.4 a description of Refuse handling under different join
- levels will be added.
-
- The next issue related to Section 3.4.5. The issue is that while
- processing a CHANGE message, an agent may interrupt the flow of data.
- It was agreed that this is not preferred behavior, and that by default
- the processing of a CHANGE message should not interrupt data delivery.
- This implies that CHANGE messages that require interruption of data flow
- to satisfy the request must be rejected. It was also agreed that an
- `interruptible' flag will be added to the change message that indicates
- its is acceptable to interrupt data flow while processing the change
- request.
-
-
- Section 4
-
- Two issues were discussed related to Sections 4.1.1 and 4.1.2. The
- first issue was that the handling of the case of where a CONNECT message
- is acknowledged but an ACCEPT is never received. This case needs to be
- added. The second issue is that these sections still need to be made
- consistent with Section 7.3.
-
- In Section 4.2.2, there is an issue with path convergence in the case of
- a `diamond' or loop topology: It is possible that a given agent will
- receive two connects for the same stream from two different previous hop
- agents. This problem has been seen in operational networks using ST.
- Lou proposed that this case can be handled by having the agent at the
- point of convergence send a refuse with a reason code of `path
- convergence' and include the target address of a valid target on the
- pre-existing stream to be used as a `hint target.' Each upstream agent
- receiving the REFUSE will check to see if the listed `hint target'
- exists in the agents stream state. If the `hint target' is not known,
- the REFUSE is propagated upstream. If the `hint target' is known, then
- the agent is the agent that split the stream. This agent can then use
- the next hop of the `hint target' as the next hop for the new target.
- This method handles the `stream-divergence' for all cases for full state
- streams. For streams that do not have full state maintained (join type
- `OK') this solution may not succeed. The group accepted the proposal.
-
-
- Section 5
-
- Two issues were discussed related to Section 5.2. The first issue was
- that it is not always clear when recovery should be attempted. It was
- agreed to add a NoRecovery flag to the Refuse message, and that agents
- set the flag when they wish to indicate that recovery is not possible or
- has been tried too many times. The second issue is that the current
- draft has an error related to stream tear-down at the target. It was
- agreed to have the application tear down streams that have errors; they
- should not wait for a possible recovery.
-
-
- Section 6
-
- Section 6 needs a minor update: in Section 6.1, GroupID and GroupName
- fields need to be fully specified.
-
-
- Section 7
-
- A minor update is needed in Section 7.1. The stream ID generation
- function needs to be specified. This is basically the same as group
- name generation function.
-
- In Section 7.3 two variable names must be defined.
-
- Section 7.5 needs to be completed. This is a very simple section that
- will recommend discarding of lower priority traffic in the event of
- network congestion.
-
- One of the readers of the current draft pointed out that the draft does
- not cover handling of the case where next hop agents can not handle the
- indicated IP multicast address. Section 7.7 will be updated that when
- the next hop cannot handle a given IP multicast address (on IP
- encapsulated segments), the next hop agent should send a Refuse with
- appropriate reason code. A question was raised as to whether an IP
- multicast address could be included in a standard targetlist. It was
- pointed out that this would require significant state changes for the
- origin agents.
-
-
- Section 9
-
- State machines need to be reviewed and updated. They will be published
- separately. Murali Rajagopal, the author of the state diagrams, gave a
- brief introduction to the state diagrams and agreed to coordinate the
- publishing of the state diagram document.
-
- One of the participants mentioned that he has a contractor that will be
- modeling both the RFC 1190 and current versions of ST. He agreed to make
- the results of this work available to the group. This should be very
- helpful in validating the new version.
-
-
- Section 10
-
- Three issues were discussed related to Section 10. The first issue was
- that the SID, which is currently split in the ST header, needs to be
- made contiguous. The second issue is that in Section 10.3.2, the IPHops
- field will be added to the FlowSpec. The last issue is that reason
- codes will be reviewed via the mailing list.
-
-
- Section 11
-
- It was pointed out that a number of changes that had been discussed
- during the sessions would require minor changes to the packet formats
- listed in Section 11. Additionally, one new issue was raised. The
- ErroredPDU parameter is only used in the ERROR message. Since this
- parameter is used by only one message, this parameter will be combined
- with the error message.
-
-
- Section 12
-
- A list of suggested protocol constants needs to be created.
-
-
- Discussion on Open Issues
-
- The group discussed the idea of making the ST header compatible with the
- IP header. It was agreed that there were no real technical advantages
- to this as IP processing would have to be done in any case at ST-IP
- boundary agents.
-
- It was agreed that a delta between RFC 1190 and ST-2+ would be added to
- the current document. Steve Batsell will complete this and submit it to
- the chairs.
-
- Mark Pullen suggested the possibility of having one of his grad students
- create an implementation of ST-2+ if he could start with a solid version
- of ST. Steve Jackowski stated that he would explore the possibility of
- getting Mark a copy of Syzygy's code as a base.
-
- Lou Berger agreed to pass the FlowSpec by Craig Partridge for comments.
-
-
- Wrap Up
-
- A final version of the Internet-Draft will be published for review in
- mid January. Once review is complete the draft will be submitted to be
- published as an RFC.
-
- The next pass at a State Diagrams will be made available by January
- 1995. The target completion date of the state diagrams draft is March
- 1995. It is expected that the state diagram draft will be reviewed at
- the next IETF, and then the draft will be updated and submitted to be
- published as an RFC. Once state diagrams are complete the working
- group's efforts will be complete.
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-