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- CURRENT_MEETING_REPORT_
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- Reported by Joyce K. Reynolds/Information Sciences Institute
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- Minutes of the Internet School Networking Working Group (ISN)
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- Joyce K. Reynolds and John Clement were acting co-chairs.
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- Review of Charter, Milestones, Current Documents and Activities
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- Joyce Reynolds reviewed the charter and summarized milestones for March
- and July 1994. Activities are on time for this and the next IETF.
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- A new RFC, produced by Jennifer Sellers, is available: FYI 22, RFC
- 1578, ``FYI on Questions and Answers -- Answers to Commonly Asked
- `Primary and Secondary School Internet User' Questions.'' A new
- Internet-Draft, produced by Joan Gargano and David Wasley, is also
- available: ``K-12 Internetworking Guidelines.''
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- First Status Report on ISN Task
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- The task is to ``define the information to be included in an on-line
- database of educational people involved in networking, recommend a
- process for collecting and updating the data, and coordinate with a
- provider of directory services to implement the database.''
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- April Marine reported on activities in this task. The volunteers
- (Sallie Fellows, Sally Laughon, and April Marine) had agreed that this
- was a ``white pages'' task; they scouted for resources, and located
- Sally Laughon's collection of teacher profiles derived from subscribers
- to the ``kidsphere'' mailing list.
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- A preliminary list of data items for the database was offered for
- discussion. It included: name, postal address, e-mail address(es),
- phone number(s), fax number, title/function, name of school, location of
- school, ages of children taught, and subjects taught.
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- It was suggested to include a field for interests and/or one for
- projects in which the educator was involved.
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- A preliminary list of requirements for the database was also presented:
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- a. Collect and maintain data, including periodic reverification.
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- b. Provide an easy, automatic method for self-registration.
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- c. Provide an easy, automatic method for database registrants to
- update their information.
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- d. Provide for authentication and for maintaining privacy of certain
- information.
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- e. Provide an easy search interface.
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- Questions were raised about the feasibility of items (b) and (c). There
- is an RFC out on privacy concerns and NIC operations (Holbrook, P., and
- J. Reynolds, Editors, ``Site Security Handbook,'' FYI 8, RFC 1244,
- CICNet, ISI, July 1991). Basic issues relevant to the educators
- database are that if you enroll a person, they should know and agree to
- it, they should know how to be taken off (if possible), and they should
- know how to alter their entry.
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- It was mentioned that a project to implement a distributed database for
- school people using the WHOIS++ protocol is under consideration by CNIDR
- and collaborators. CNIDR will share information on this project on the
- isn-wg mailing list as it gets underway. Sepideh Boroumand, Jill
- Hanson, Allan Cargille and Brian Lloyd offered to help by collecting
- information on schools for whom they support connectivity.
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- Next steps discussed were to prepare a write-up of the database
- requirements and data elements, and to discuss with CNIDR the collection
- of data and the establishment of a prototype database. It does not seem
- likely at this point that a prototype will be available for testing and
- discussion by the 30th IETF in July.
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- Acceptable Use Policies (AUP) Document
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- Bill Manning presented the draft document that Don Perkins and he had
- developed and circulated on the isn-wg mailing list. It was emphasized
- that the document was envisioned as a guide for schools, districts or
- other educational network providers to develop their own AUPs, but was
- not itself an AUP statement.
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- A discussion ensued about the need for specific examples of AUPs to be
- made available. It was suggested that the AUP for the CoVis project
- (Louis Gomez and Roy Pea, Northwestern University), which includes
- considerable explanatory material, be appended to the draft document.
- The Armadillo Gopher (port 1170 on riceinfogopher.rice.edu) contains a
- number of AUPs; it was suggested that pointers to school and educational
- network provider AUPs be included in the document. It was mentioned
- that legal counsel for school districts often review proposed AUPs, so
- these documents will almost invariably be customized.
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- It was mentioned that the question of teaching the users about the AUP
- often comes up. Bill Manning offered to revise the draft document to
- add pointers to model AUPs, to include the CoVis AUP as an example in an
- appendix, and to include information about user training. The working
- group accepted the document as revised as an Internet-Draft. [Note:
- This Internet-Draft was posted to the Internet-Drafts repositories on 5
- April as draft-ietf-isn-aup-00.txt.]
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- Second Status Report on ISN Task
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- The task is to ``write a set of two documents, one aimed at connection
- providers and the other aimed at educational sites, providing guidelines
- for bringing educational sites on-line. Included will be a broad
- definition of connection providers.''
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- Avri Doria presented an outline of an educational user document. The
- volunteers (Ann Cooper, Avri Doria, and Dave Livingston) suggested that
- the document would take the form of an annotated bibliography of about
- ten pages in length, with short entries for each item. The outline
- includes:
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- o What is the Internet?
- o What types of services are available to educators?
- o What types of physical connections are available?
- o Where would one go to get connected?
- o What is involved in getting hooked up?
- o What are school personnel responsibilities?
- o What forms of training and support are needed?
- o What issues of ``netiquette'' are involved?
- o Glossary.
- o Bibliography.
- o Useful addresses and phone numbers.
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- It was pointed out that the document outlined would inevitably be larger
- than ten pages; there was some uncertainty expressed about whether the
- proposed format would work. Avri Doria requested more volunteers to
- help identify gaps in the outline, to review the document, and to
- identify resources to cite in the document. Sepideh Boroumand, Jill
- Hanson, Brian Lloyd and April Marine volunteered. It was agreed that
- the outline would be posted to the list and developed further. It will
- be discussed at the 30th IETF in Toronto.
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- A discussion ensued on the need for a document oriented toward network
- service providers. It was suggested that service provider
- representatives should volunteer to work on the document. The group
- agreed to postpone discussion of a document oriented to service
- providers for the next IETF.
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- Gene Hastings presented a document authored by himself and Bob Carlitz,
- ``Stages of Internet Connectivity for School Networking.'' The group
- agreed that the document should be put on-line as an Internet-Draft.
- Gene Hastings and Joyce Reynolds will work on getting author approval,
- etc., and to proceed to publish this document as an Internet-Draft. The
- question was raised about making documents available via fax; Susan
- Calcari said the InterNIC is considering establishing a fax-based
- distribution system.
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- Discussion of the Gargano-Wasley Internet-Draft
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- Questions raised included:
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- o Is the document too closely oriented toward system administrators?
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- It was suggested that the target audience for this document is
- really educational administrators, with the document aiming to
- explain in clear, predominantly nontechnical language what
- connectivity options they have. It was emphasized that some thirty
- California educators have examined the draft prior to its posting,
- and they helped determine the technical level.
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- o Is there overlap between the Gargano-Wasley (G-W) draft and the
- Carlitz-Hastings (C-H) draft?
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- It was suggested that the documents complemented each other: the
- C-H draft goes into greater technical depth, while the G-W draft
- document focuses more closely on the internal requirements of
- schools.
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- Other issues were briefly discussed. It was noted to the authors of the
- G-W document that Frame Relay was not mentioned in the Internet-Draft.
- The draft will be revised and reissued by David Wasley to include a
- discussion of Frame Relay. The G-W document will not include training
- and support information; it was suggested that those issues be discussed
- in another document.
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- It was agreed by the working group that the G-W document would be
- submitted for FYI RFC publication.
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- Attendees
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- Janice Abrahams janice@cnidr.org
- Sepideh Boroumand sepideh@jacks.gsfc.nasa.gov
- Gregg Brekke gbrekke@mr.net
- Lloyd Brodsky lbrodsky@rocksolid.com
- J. Nevil Brownlee nevil@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz
- Susan Calcari susanc@internic.net
- C. Allan Cargille allan.cargille@cs.wisc.edu
- A. Lyman Chapin lyman@bbn.com
- Jodi-Ann Chu jodi@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
- Paul Ciarfella ciarfella@took.lkg.dec.com
- John Clement jclement@nsf.gov
- David Conrad davidc@iij.ad.jp
- Ann Cooper cooper@isi.edu
- Naomi Courter naomi@concert.net
- David Crowe crowed@osshe.edu
- Roger Cyganer cygander@telebit.comm
- Peter DiCamillo Peter_DiCamillo@brown.edu
- Avri Doria
- Richard Everman reverman@ka.reg.uci.edu
- Louis Fernandez lff@sequent.com
- Anders Gillner awg@sunet.se
- Jill Hanson jhanson@wsipc.wednet.edu
- Eugene Hastings hastings@psc.edu
- Alisa Hata hata@cac.washington.edu
- John Houlker j.houlker@waikato.ac.nz
- Jinho Hur jhhur@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr
- Lenore Jackson jackson@nsipo.arc.nasa.gov
- Bent Jensen bent@cisco.com
- John Klensin Klensin@infoods.unu.edu
- Frank Liu fcliu@pacbell.com
- Brian Lloyd brian@lloyd.com
- Carl Madison carl@zeus.st.3com.com
- Dawn Mann dawn@infoods.unu.edu
- Bill Manning bmanning@rice.edu
- April Marine april@atlas.arc.nasa.gov
- Daniel McDonald danmcd@itd.nrl.navy.mil
- Donald Pace pace@cntfl.com.
- Kurt Parent kurt@nwnet.net
- Marsha Perrott perrott@prep.net
- Joyce K. Reynolds jkrey@isi.edu
- Jane Smith Jane.Smith@cnidr.org
- Patricia Smith psmith@merit.edu
- Barbara Sterling bjs@mcdata.com
- Ruediger Volk rv@informatik.uni-dortmund.de
- Phil Wintering pvw@americast.com
- Philip Wood cpw@lanl.gov
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