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- Summary: This FAQ is a summary of the types and use of gunships by the
- United States Air Force during the Vietnam War
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- Gunships -- delivering ribbons of high explosive from the sky.
-
- United States Air Force Gunships in the Vietnam
-
- Frank Vaughan
-
- Disclaimer
-
- I am a former gunner on AC-130 Spectre gunships and I thought
- I would try and answer some of the recurring questions about gunships.
-
- Please understand the following. I was a gunner, not a pilot,
- navigator or other important position. I know quite a bit about
- gunships, but in reality, my writing this FAQ is sort of like
- having a baggage handler describe the workings of a major airline.
- If at any point someone more knowledgeable comes along, I'll gladly
- bow to their superior knowledge. In the meanwhile, you're stuck
- with me.
-
- Some of this material was posted in various Usenet newsgroups,
- and some is from strands of private e-mail conversations.
-
- Helping me in this effort was:
-
- Ralph Hitchens, AC-119K "Stinger" pilot, 71-72. His
- contributions are marked with [RH]
-
- Phillips Wheatley <pwheatle@outland.dtcc.edu> former AC-119G
- gunner, Jan '69 - Jan '70 [PW]
-
- Karon Campbell <karonc@airmail.net> former USAF [KC]
-
- William G. (Bill) Duckwitz, Col, USAFR, Ret. [DZ]
-
- Dan Ahern, Hostage 46, VMO-2, OV-10 Bronco Driver (ahearns@cris.com)
- [DA]
-
- Whenever I use the word "we" in this FAQ, I am using the word is the
- broadest possible sense. We, the unit, we the crews, we the gunship
- community. Under no circumstances should you think I am referring to
- myself, or to actions of the crews that I was on. This FAQ is not
- about me, I'm a nobody. This FAQ is about one of the most incredible
- weapons platforms ever devised.
-
- First, some history:
-
- Legend says that the concept of the gunship evolved from the way that
- mail is delivered in the Australian outback. There, remote settlers
- get their mail via small aircraft. Rather than landing and taking off
- dozens of times in a day, these light aircraft buzz the home to make
- sure someone is there, then take up a shallow orbit overhead. The mail
- sack is lowered to the ground, and if the orbit is right, the sack
- will lie perfectly still in the center of the orbit (just the opposite
- of when you tie a rock to a string and swing it overhead). The
- residents could safely approach the mailbag, remove their letters and
- insert their outgoing mail. So too, if you are in a perfect orbit, and
- fire a gun at the ground from the side of the aircraft, the round will
- impact at the center of the orbit (OK, OK, I know it is more complex
- that that, but hey, YOU try explaining three-dimensional physics).
-
-
- Genealogy
-
- "Puff the Magic Dragon" was the nickname given to the AC-47
- first-generation gunship. It was also known as "Spooky."
-
- The AC-47 was equipped with three miniguns that were switch selectable
- at 4,000 and 8,000 shots per minute (SPM). I have heard, but never
- verified that the AC-47's fire control system consisted of a length of
- welding rod that was mounted on a wing tip, and an "X" that was etched
- on the pilot's side window.
-
- That aircraft was followed by the AC-119G (Shadow) and the AC-119K
- (Stinger).
-
- "Reserves from Ohio (still trying to research them and find
- them) "brought" their 119's over in late '68 - early
- '69...and they stayed their year. They did most of their own
- work except a few of us regular USAF were assigned to their
- FOL's out of Nha Trang in early '69. A couple of 462's (gun
- plumbers) and maybe an electrician. Everyone else in the
- early days were USAF Reserves. Somebody in the group had a
- printer back home print up business cards and metal hat pins
- with "Only the Shadow Knows" and stuff like " We provide
- lighting for all occassions" and "Beaucoup Fire Support". I
- was proud to be a member of their "family" for a year. I am
- going to double my efforts to find out where they were from
- and if they still are active. We were the 71st SOS and I
- think changed to the 17th SOS." [PW]
-
- "The Reserve guys from Grissom AFB, IN flew the C-119G & K
- but in addition the Reserve guys from Clinton Co. AFB, OH
- did the pilot training for the RVN. I switched from the
- regular Air Force to the Reserves in 1969 and would up as in
- IP/Dir. of Safety at Clinton Co. That was the 302 TAW in
- those days and the two squadrons were the 355 TAS and the
- 356 TAS. The training squadron was the 1st TATS. LtCol Frank
- Hamilton was the commander. They went out of business in
- Clinton Co. AFB was closed in 1971 and the units moved to
- Rickenbacher ANGB, OH. The 1st TATS did the pilot training
- in the C-119G. When they graduated, the RVN troops went to
- Grissom AFB to get their K model indoctrination and actual
- gunnery training as we had no guns or range at Clinton Co."
- [DZ]
-
- They used a combination of 7.62mm miniguns (4,000/8,000 spm) and
- 20mm gatlings that fired at 2,500 spm.
-
- "The K had two J-85 jet engines (which, surprisingly, burned
- the same aviation gas as the gas turbine engines), a FLIR,
- sometimes a side-looking radar (for use with a beacon
- transponder held by a ground observer), and 2 20mm Vulcan
- cannon. The jet engines cut our mission endurance down quite
- a bit-to about 3 and 1/2 hours instead of 5+ on the G's."
- [RH]
-
- Those aircraft were followed by AC130A (Spectre) gunships. The first
- eight AC-130As were equipped with four 20mm gatlings (2,500 spm) and
- four 7.62mm miniguns (4,000/8,000 spm). The ninth 130A was the first
- to replace two of the twenties with two 40mm bofors anti-aircraft guns
- (about 120 spm) that had WWII naval origins, and to incorporate
- digital fire control under the "Surprise Package" program.
-
- Those aircraft were followed by the AC130E (Pave Spectre) which
- eliminated one of the 40mm Bofors in favor of an M105-A1 light
- howitzer (U.S. Army origins). The 105mm fired a full charge seven
- and a good crew could keep three rounds in the air at a time. The
- AC-130E was later renamed the AC-130H after an avionics and
- flare-based missile suppression system was installed.
-
- The AC-130U, which is a new build, and I understand is equipped with
- 1x25mm. 1x40mm and 1x105mm. I've not seen or flown in the "U" so all
- of that information is third-or-fourth-hand.
-
- Externally, how were the 130Es different from the 130As? Is there any
- noticeable features to tell one apart from the other if both were
- sitting on the tarmac?
-
-
- The biggest and most obvious difference was in the props. All of the
- A's used a three-bladed prop. All of the E's used a much quieter
- four-bladed prop. At some point after Vietnam, I understand that the
- remaining A's received the four-blade prop upgrade.
-
- The next thing to look for would be the presence of the 105MM
- howitzer. The tube sticks out the left paratroop door and can't be
- missed (except when doing a preflight check in a hurry, then it is
- entirely possible not to see it until one smacks one's head on it.)
-
-
- Tell me a bit more about the weapons layout.
-
- All the A's had two 40MM bofors (actually a "pair" if you follow that
- type of weapon). When they put in the 40MM's just forward of the left
- aft bailout door, they had to come real close to the left wheel well,
- which forever eliminated the use of JATO bottles. We used to speculate
- as to the amount of ammo we could carry if we could use JATO bottles
- in addition to the 8,000 feet of paved runway we had at Ubon.
-
- When we put in the 105MM, we took out the aft 40mm and did something
- with the left bailout door. My memory is shaky here, but I think the
- Side Looking Radar was mounted there, and we had to have it relocated.
- Or maybe there was nothing there and we put in the SLR. Darn brain
- cells are a bit fried on occasion.
-
-
- What happened when you fired all of those guns at once?
-
- Despite the awesome firepower, the guns were selected individually,
- never in unison. I cannot recall a single instance in about 100 combat
- mission where we fired more than one gun at a time, but we frequently
- fired most of the guns during a mission. Our greatest limitation was
- ammunition capacity. The AC-130E's that I flew could stay aloft for
- more than 7 hours, but we could fire all of our ammo in a fraction of
- that time, so we got very selective in how we used it. For example, we
- rarely fired more than 3 or 4 rounds of 40MM at a time, same for the
- 105mm.
-
-
- What kind of missions did you fly?
-
- In Vietnam, we used the AC-130 Gunships primarily for what we called
- "armed aerial interdiction" which meant we flew over the Ho Chi Minh
- Trail at night and destroyed convoys of trucks that were full of
- supplies headed South.
-
- We also were called on to support ground troops, firebases or hamlets
- that were in trouble. Plus we performed some other missions that I am
- not at liberty to discuss.
-
- The AC-130s were used in Grenada with reasonable success and in Panama
- with devastating success. They saw action in Kuwait, and one bird was
- lost with all hands to missile fire over the Gulf. They were raising
- havoc with the bad guys at the time, and stayed over the target
- despite warning from their air controllers to leave because of the
- increased threat level.
-
- Following is a first-person account from Dan Ahern, an OV-10 Bronco
- Forward Air Controller who witnessed firsthand the loss of that
- AC-130.
-
- Callsign was spirit 03.
-
- Missle was likely an SA-8.
-
- They reported possible threat and went back in after pulling off
- target.
-
- They were hit just after sunrise. The mission was complete and they
- were heading home. We all had a very uneasy feeling and were getting
- out of dodge. I looked over my shoulder and saw the fireball.
-
- We reported it to intel, at the time we were not sure it was the
- AC-130. As it was we were way past bingo and had no gas to go back and
- look. It wouldn't have mattered anyway, the whole airframe exploded.
- When we heard they were missing we knew what happened.
-
- We were working Iraqi targets who were pushing south into the town of
- Kafji. This happened on the coast, just over the water at the Kuwaiti,
- Saudi border.
-
- What a supurb weapons platform, these guys kicked the daylights out of
- an Iraqi infantry unit. Sadly, if they had pulled out a few min
- earlier they would still be here. In fact I remember AWACS calling
- them to get out of there. We folks in slow airplanes do not like the
- daylight as you well know.
-
- After the war I debriefed with some guys from the squadron, good
- folks. [RA]
-
-
- Tell me a bit more about the operation of the 105mm?
-
- The 105MM was uniquely configured. It was a U.S. Army M105A1 howitzer,
- light, towed. We (as always, in the broadest possible sense) pulled
- the wheels, bolted it on a 1" thick steel plate, then duplicated the
- recoil system so that the gun would be battling hydraulics in both
- directions whenever it fired.
-
- We used a full charge seven (7 bags of powder) and crimped rounds
- (There were no crimpers in the area until we demanded them in late
- 1971 -- we hand-crimped until then.) An average crew could get two
- rounds in the air at the same time. A good crew could (for a while)
- sustain 3 rounds in the air at a time. That level of performance was a
- bit moot since you rarely fired more than 3 or 4 rounds at a time.
-
- BTW, we built a huge steel cage in back of the gun, and put one gunner
- on each side. (Mind you, the weapon was fired from up on the flight
- deck, we gunners were reloaders rather than gunners in the classic
- sense.) The round were stored in a multi-drawer horizontal filing
- cabinet. Each drawer held, if I recall, either 4 or 6 rounds. When
- time came to fire, #1 gunner would reach over the cage and open the
- breech block. #2 would open a drawer, and remove a round, turn and
- slam it into the breech. #1 would close the breech, while #2 turned to
- get another round. When the weapon fired, it moved almost as if it
- were in slow motion. As soon at it had completed recoil, and had begun
- counter-recoil, #1 would open the breech and pull out the hot brass,
- dropping it into a 55-gallon drum we had strapped to the back of the
- cage. While the breech was open and the gun was still in
- counter-recoil, #2 would slam the next round home, and #1 would slam
- the breech. If you were a good crew, you had the breech closed before
- the gun got back into battery position. Repeat as necessary.
-
-
- I was trying to visualize firing the 105MM. There must have been a
- hell of a shudder when firing.
-
- Actually, it wasn't too bad. I think the way the hydraulics worked was
- something along the lines of the sleds in a tractor pull contest,
- where the further you pull, the greater the resistance from the sled.
- (How's that for eclectic? Gunships to tractor pulls in the same FAQ!)
- I know that as the gun reached the end of recoil, it was traveling
- quite slowly. Never felt at risk reaching in over the cage to open the
- breech block.
-
- As far as vibration goes, the factory engineers said there was less
- stress on the airframe than what came with a normal four-engine run up
- on the ground. Was noisy as hell in the enclosed space though-even
- with helmets and earphones on.
-
-
- With all of these weapons, what was the crew composition of the
- AC-130E?
-
- Flight Deck
-
- Pilot-left seat
- Co-pilot-right seat
- Flight engineer-center seat behind P/CP
- Radar/Navigator
-
- Booth (in the main cargo bay)
-
- Infrared targetting
- LLTV targetting
-
- Fire control officer (may have been up on the flight deck and this
- slot may have done something else - I just don't remember).
-
- ECM -related stuff
-
- Please note that all of the sensor positions, except FCO are now
- enlisted.
-
- Gun crew:
-
- Right scanner (also a gunner) -- enlisted
- 3 or 4 gunners-enlisted
-
- Other
-
- Illuminator operator-enlisted
-
-
- What weapon systems does the pilot have personal control of?
-
- All of them. Gunners retained electrical control of every weapon. The
- pilot couldn't fire unless we switched a weapon "on". We could also -
- in an emergency- manually fire the 40mm.
-
-
- Are the lighter weapons fixed or manually traversed by gunners? I
- figure the 105 and the forties are fixed, right?
-
- All weapons EXCEPT the 105mm were fixed. We did have the capability
- of changing their positions while in flight, but is made no sense to
- do so. It was easier to move the aircraft. The 105MM had to be moved
- as the large muzzle-blast diffuser extended below the landing gear if
- left in the firing position. so we cranked the 105MM down after every
- take-off, and cranked it up before landing. I don't ever recall
- changing the position of any other gun, as it was unnecessary. The
- fire control system could compensate for the exact firing angle. This
- is one reason why we used to try and go to a "relatively" safe area to
- boresight our guns at the beginning of each mission.
-
-
- Did the IO have any other duties besides (his very important one)
- of operating the searchlight mounted in the tail section of the cargo
- deck?
-
- That is not what the IO did. The IO had three roles: 1. Watch for and
- call out any AAA coming up at the aircraft from below, the left side
- and in front below the pilot's field of vision. 2. Fire any flares
- out of the flare launcher when called for (also for jettisoning the
- flare launcher in the event of major battle damage, a hung flare or an
- on-board fire). 3. Drop smoke markers in the proximity of any
- particularly troublesome AAA sites. The smoke allowed us to vector a
- fighter in (i.e. 2,000 meters on a heading of 070 from the smoke).
-
- Any Navy types reading this might enjoy hearing that we used US Navy
- smoke markers (Mark 6?), There were the wooden ones that floated for
- marking things over water.
-
-
- Were all Spectre gunships based in Thailand?
-
- All of the AC-130 gunships were based in Thailand, except for a very
- short timeframe when the prototypes were being tested.
-
- "The AC-119G started out & stayed in SVN, and were turned
- over to the VNAF around 71, I think. The AC-119K squadron
- was based in Thailand, but had detachments of up to 5
- aircraft at Da Nang and Bien Hoa in South Vietnam. At the
- latter place we mostly did Cambodia, which was quite a
- different environment from the Trail proper, and also some
- An Loc support during the Easter Offensive." [RH]
-
-
- How long was the average mission?
-
- The AC-130E's average mission duration was 7.1 hours!!!! We could
- spend a heck of a lot of time in high orbit over a firebase if
- needed (although we usually used the range to get to northern
- Laos). If memory serves me, the AC-130A's averaged about 5.3 hours.
-
- "The AC-119K could fly for about 3 1/2 hours, giving a TOT
- on the Trail of roughly two hours or so." [RH]
-
-
- How much ammo could you carry?
-
- USAF published figures for the version of the AC-130A (just 7.62mm and
- 20mm) show an ammo load of 15,000 rounds of 7.62mm, and 8,000 rounds
- of 20mm.
-
-
- What did you do with the spent brass?
-
- On the Spectre birds, when we had the 7.62's, the ammo was in a drum,
- and the old brass went back into that drum. Our 20mm Vulcans dumped
- the brass and links on the floor, where the gunners shoveled it into
- duffel bags. The 40mm brass ejected from the rear of the gun into a
- 55-gallon drum we had strapped in place. The 105mm brass also got
- tossed into an empty 55-gallon drum.
-
- "In the -119K the 20mm brass expelled onto the floor of the
- cargo compartment and was shoveled (as quick as possible)
- through a hatch in the floor into a receptacle. I can't
- recall if the 7.62 brass was handled the same way, or what -
- we didn't use it that much, as most of our work was over the
- Trail at altitudes where 7.62 was unusable." [RH]
-
- "When we returned to base, the brass was off-loaded by a
- crew of gunners assigned to loading duty. Most of the brass
- was sold to local merchants, and ended up as souvenirs. A
- certain amount was turned into plaques. The 105MM brass was
- particularly good for engraving, and many crew members had
- matched set made, with teakwood "projectiles". My family was
- horrified when I came home and tried to explain how
- "beautiful" they were, I'm sure others experienced the same
- strange looks."
-
-
- What kind of fire control system did you have?
-
- We used a modern fire control system adapted from the A7 Corsair.
-
- "The AC-119K used a somewhat less sophisticated but
- generally effective fire control system; the FLIR (infrared
- system) was identical to that on the AC-130, but we had only
- a hand-operated "starlight scope" instead of the low light
- level TV on the Spectre." [RH]
-
-
- How much battle damage could you handle?
-
- The AC-130E could take a tremendous pounding. One took a direct hit
- from a SA-7 and made it home. Other birds coming come were hit by
- single or multiple rounds of 23mm, 37mm and 57mm.
-
- "The AC-119 was much less resilient, but several took and
- survived hits up to 37mm. What my colleague didn't mention
- is that, in spite of the above reference, there was an SA-7
- kill of an AC-130 up in I Corps during the early part of the
- Easter Offensive (I think). Got nailed while flying at 9500
- AGL, two survivors." [RH]
-
- We believed that we lost 3 AC-130s in all to the SA-7. The loss of the
- first one, will all hands lost, was initially believe to have been the
- result of flying into a flack trap, but later we all realized that it
- must have been one of the first SA-7s, and we just didn't know about
- them at the time. We then had the bird hit in the ass, with no loss of
- life, and were finally able to "prove" to PACAF that there were, in
- fact, SA7's on the trail.
-
- We lost the other two shortly thereafter, with the entire crew
- recovered on one, and all of the back half, but none of the flight
- deck on the other. Shortly thereafter, we started carrying a dozen or
- so loaded very pistols on the back, and when the word SAM came over
- the intercom, we gunners dropped what we were doing and began pumping
- out star shells, which probably scared the hell out of the guys
- manning the AAA sites. Later, the very pistols were mounted around the
- waist of the A/C and were fired by pulling on a set of lanyards.
-
-
- How high did you fly?
-
- Operating altitudes were, at the time, highly classified. They may
- even still be classified, so I will be circumspect. Face it, after a
- certain altitude, 7.62mm and 20mm will tumble. But, 40mm and 105mm
- don't tumble. Needless to say, we gunners used a lot of yellow walk
- around oxygen bottles.
-
- The operating altitudes were letter-coded, alpha thru ?, referring to
- AGL: alpha was 2500, bravo 3500, etc. AC-119K's usually operated at
- delta or echo over the trail, and the AC-130s (as I recall) at echo or
- one notch higher. The 7.62 were ineffective above 3500 AGL, so we
- never used them along the Trail; the 20mm were good to about 5500 AGL,
- as I recall. [RH]
-
- However my damaged brain cells seem to recall that we flew at much
- higher altitudes. I think that the "A" model AC-130s worked at the
- altitudes you mentioned, and when we worked in SVN and Cambodia, we
- worked lower, but we routinely had to dodge 57MM, occasionally 85MM
- (?) and rarely 101MM (?) [it is hell getting old, I used to know those
- altitude numbers like the back of my hand]. I do know that on a lot of
- missions we absolutely had to use oxygen, and we used to wear thermal
- underwear and arctic flight suits in order to keep warm. In fact, it
- was quite funny right after takeoff. Most of the gunners carried a
- large bag with them, and as soon as we were wheels up and it was safe
- to walk around, we used to peel off our green nomex flight suits, pull
- on our "long johns", put on our winter flight suit, put on a flight
- jacket, wrap our pistol belts around our waists, put on our survival
- vests and then put on our parachute harnesses, helmets and gloves. We
- sorta looked like a huge green Pillsbury dough boys.
-
-
- What were the toughest missions for you?
-
- The tough missions for us were way up in Northern Laos in an area
- known as the "barrel roll". A one-hour commute each way, then dodging
- karst and mountain tops, mostly on oxygen 'cause we were way above 10K
- altitude. During the rainy season, when the clouds hugged the
- mountains, we still had to go on station, and we'd put one engine out
- of synch then rattle around for 5 hours over known trails because the
- intel weenies said it "slowed down the traffic."
-
- We used to tear down the flack curtains from around the 20MMs and
- build a little shelter in the middle of the main deck just forward of
- the 105MM, bring our red Sony rechargeable flashlights, and play
- cards, trying to keep warm and listening to the intercoms. More than
- once we prayed for a fire mission on those nights.
-
-
- Little Sony flashlights? Oops, they weren't Sony!
-
- "Rechargeable red flashlights...isn't it funny how a little
- thing like that can bring back so much...I think I lived
- with one in my mouth every night, all night for a
- year...kept our hands free and allowed us to work in the
- dark." [PW]
-
- We used little Sonys, with two bulbs, one red, the other white.
- Plugged into a 110VAC wall socket and charged back up overnight.
- Perfect shape to fit in the mouth (except when wearing an O2 mask) and
- you could clamp down on them with your teeth and they would never fall
- out.
-
-
- "Don't remember if flashlight was Sony or not, it did have
- one red and one white bulb. Still have mine somewhere. I'll
- have to dig some and find it. Charged up all day and used
- all night." {PW]
-
- Turns out that the old memory cells were deader than the batteries on
- a 25-year-old flashlight.
-
- "The little flashlights were Sanyo. I have one in the
- basement, alas it is dead. I have the box it came in down
- there also. Sanyo Cadnia Lite, Model number NL5100, Twin
- bulb (Red/White) 117V Recharging." [DZ]
-
-
- Where did Puff fly out of? We had puff show up one night at Tay
- Ninh and do a real number on some people just outside our wire.
- Suddenly it was there.
-
- "Puff headquarters were at Nha Trang Air Base, but the
- dragon ships were stationed around the country for quick(?)
- response. It was quick for a forty year old aircraft." [KC]
-
-
- What could you guys see from up there? Targets, people, what? I'm
- wondering how many were killed that night.
-
- It was quite beautiful over the trail at night. The ground was pitch
- black, except where fires burned. You could see the moon's reflection
- in the bomb craters. It was not uncommon to be able to see B-52
- strikes in the distance - not the planes, but rather the flashes from
- the long strings of bombs that were dropped. We could see our own
- ammunition impact, and see the fires and explosions that we caused.
-
- The crew manning the electronics in the booth could see incredible
- detail on the ground, and actually determine if a truck was a
- previously bombed hulk, a decoy, or an actual supply vehicle that
- had recently been moved.
-
- Naturally, we could all see the arc of tracers as the AAA came up and
- reached for us, the IO and right scanner could spot the muzzle
- flashes. Later, when heat-seeking SAMs were more prevalent, we could
- all see them when they launched.
-
- As far as casualty claims go, we used to claim "things" destroyed or
- damaged, such as trucks, boats, barges, etc, but usually tried to get
- casualty counts from the folks on the ground.
-
-
- What was the PAVE Spectre?
-
- Pave Spectre was the program name for the "E" model. I think it was
- because we had a laser designator, and it seemed as though everything
- with laser had the "pave" word attached to the name.
-
-
- If I can ask, what was different about Cambodia? Was it the
- terrain? Were there no AAA guns? What made Cambodia different from the
- Trail?
-
- "Terrain mostly flat, many more villes, hence much more
- restrictive ROE, much less AAA (well, lighter,
- mostly-scattered 12.7 & 23mm vice clustered 23 & 37),
- despite a lot of lucrative targets. Targets included boats
- along the Mekong & tributaries. That sort of thing. My one
- clear recollection is that we couldn't shoot into the villes
- themselves, but anything moving on the roads between them
- after dark was fair game. (and BTW we could only shoot at
- moving boats). So where the truck traffic along the Trail in
- Laos moved pretty slowly, in Cambodia the NVA truck
- technique was to zip at blazing speed from ville to ville,
- which made them hard to hit." [RH]
-
-
- Do you know anything more about the AN/ASD-5 'Black Crow' truck
- ignition system sensor?
-
- Detailed knowledge of the system required a much higher pay grade than
- I had. However, here is what I think I know: it was a device that
- would pick up the electronic "noise" of a spark crossing the gap on a
- spark plug. I believe that it could work as far away as the horizon,
- and I recall the BC operator vectoring us into to convoys. A good
- operator could also let us know if the trucks were new or old, and if
- they were moving or idling, simply based on the quality of the signal.
- It certainly did not pinpoint a truck for us, but got us in the
- neighborhood.
-
-
- Do you have information about the circumstances leading to the
- loss of a AC-130 Spectre gunship at the African coast early in 1994?
-
- From what I understand, the a/c was lost when a 105 round blew up in
- the barrel.
-
-
- I was wondering what it must look like from the ground if you
- were on the receiving end of all this firepower?
-
- It really depends upon the weapons. With the 40mm and the 105mm, it
- was nothing more than exceptionally accurate artillery. In many cases
- we would fire the first 3 or 4 rounds and the first time Sir Charles
- knew he was under fire was when the rounds impacted.
-
- Imagine, you are either a conscripted or true "volunteer". Your job is
- to memorize a 5 to 10km section of winding, twisty trail. Every night
- you start out with a truck, either alone or part of a carefully spaced
- convoy, and you haul ass down that trail as fast as you dare with no
- lights, no trail markers, and often little or no moon to help you.
- Now, out of nowhere, the truck that is 250 meters ahead of you just
- vaporizes as it takes a direct hit from a round of 105mm high
- explosive. You have no where to run, no where to hide, no turnoffs, no
- nothing. You slam on the brakes and as soon as the truck slows you
- bail out (assuming you can-an amazing number of drivers never left
- their trucks lending speculation that they were chained into the cabs)
- and run like hell into the jungle. How do we know this happens,
- because we watch the whole thing on infrared, and watch the little
- white dot (that's you) jump out of the truck and run away.
-
- Maybe you are as patriotic as all hell and run a couple of klicks and
- man one of the AAA sites that dot the trail. Great, you fire a few
- rounds of 37mm at us. Of course, we are painted flat black, we have no
- lights and the only thing you can do is try and spot our muzzle flash
- on the other side of the orbit, and try to guess when we are within
- range of your gun.
-
- Maybe you are a good guesser, or maybe you are just lucky, but your
- shots at us change from being a mere nuisance to a potential threat.
- You never see the small grey smoke marker we drop when we go by. You
- cannot see the plume of bright white smoke that rises. You do not hear
- us call the F-4 Phantom that has been in a fuel conserving orbit at
- 45,000 feet overhead. You don't know that we just told him that you
- are about 1200 meters on the 70 degree radial from the smoke. You
- never knew that he dropped two canisters of cluster bombs directly
- over your site, blowing you and your gunsite to hell.
-
- Now imagine a different scenario. You and your buddies have been
- bothering this Army outpost for about a week now. Lobbing in mortars,
- probing the defenses, generally raising hell. You've built lots of
- ladders and lots of coffins and you are ready to attack. You've even
- brought in some NVA Regulars to help ensure that you kick some
- American ass.
-
- It's late and dark. Your probing fire becomes more intense, your
- mortars are hammering the firebase, your sappers are moving in to blow
- the perimeter, and your buddies are massing in the treeline for the
- first of many assaults during the night.
-
- The Americans don't back down. They never do. You attack once, twice,
- three times. You feel the imperialist dogs weakening. You can smell
- victory. Unfortunately, you didn't hear the radio call that went out a
- little while ago. You have no idea that an AC-130 gunship is in orbit
- overhead. You can't hear the engines over the noise of battle.
-
- We've been watching for about 5 minutes. We can see your troop
- concentrations in the tree lines because our infrared works through
- the smoke of battle. We've carefully plotted the perimeter. We watch
- your troop surge across the open ground hoping to breech the American
- lines. We tighten our orbit and drop the left wing. We put #1 20MM on
- line, and using our infrared, we target the largest concentrations of
- your troops.
-
- BBBRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP.
-
- Suddenly long ribbons of red fire reach down from the sky (tracers,
- usually every 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th or 10th round) and 20mm high
- explosive shells pepper your formation. In a matter of seconds an area
- the size of a football field has at least one round hit in every
- square foot.
-
- BBBRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
-
- Another ribbon of fire, your attack is decimated.
-
- BBBRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
-
- Another ribbon, and now the reserves in the tree line have been
- reduced to a copper-smelling red mist.
-
- The pattern continues...thousands of rounds are fired. And now the
- 40mm begin to take its toll. Every time two or three survivors bunch
- up, they are blown to shreds by 40mm, and never even hear the incoming
- rounds.
-
- Some of your survivors do make it back to the base camp...and they
- bring death with them. We now know where your base camp is, because we
- used our infrared and low light level TV to track your survivors as
- they struggle back. Using our laser designator, we bring in three
- flights for F-4D Phantons equipped with laser guided bombs, and
- obliterate nearly every trace of the camp.
-
- Another scenario.
-
- You're participating in the attack on the provincial capital of An
- Loc. It is early 1972. You've fooled everyone by bringing armor into
- play. You are currently sitting in a plantation house on one of the
- Michelin tire rubber plantations. You feel nice and secure. Surprise.
- We are overhead, and have just set our 105MM ammo for maximum time
- delay.
-
- Boom
-
- Boom
-
- Boom
-
- You never hear us fire the three rounds. The first goes through the
- roof and detonates inside. The second goes through the remains of the
- roof and blows out what remains of the outer walls. The third round
- buries itself in the pile of rubble and when it goes off it scatters
- debris all over the place.
-
- Aha, but you just left the house, so we missed you. You're in a tank.
-
- We line you up with the 40mm and hit you with three rounds of armor
- piercing ammo. Unfortunately, this is WWII technology ammo, and other
- than giving everyone on board the tank a massive headache, we don't
- even slow you down as you race towards town. No problem, we hit you on
- the top of the turret with a round of 105mm white phosphorous. The
- fire sucks all the oxygen out of the tank and you suffocate and die
- long before any flames reach you.
-
- There you have it.
-
- Given the choices, I'd rather give than receive.
-
-
- How was unit morale?
-
- We had a great unit orientation! Whenever we had a new crewmember, and
- fired the 105, we went to a restaurant as a crew (about 14 of us)
- before the next mission, and when there, each crewmember ordered two
- drinks. We then pulled out a piece of 105MM brass from the mission
- (didn't clean it or anything). We then passed the brass around the
- table, and each crewmember poured one of their two drinks into the
- brass. When it reached the newbie, that person had to drink the
- contents (or a good portion thereof!) Imagine, beer, wine, assorted
- mixed drinks, burnt powder, bag remnants, etc. We usually carried the
- newbie out.
-
- We also had a little routine that might amuse you.
-
- Every once in a while, due to particularly violent (for a C-130)
- maneuvers to avoid AAA, we'd lose the IO. He'd lose his grip and get
- tossed out the back, being dragged behind on a thin steel cable that
- was hooked to an inertial reel mounted on one of the support frames
- overhead. The other end was hooked to his parachute harness.
-
- The resulting intercom conversation went something like this:
-
- Pilot, IO!
-
- Ahhh, go ahead IO.
-
- Request permission to come aboard sir!
-
- Flight Engineer, Pilot.
-
- Go ahead Pilot.
-
- Better have the gunners drag in the IO, if I lose any more
- they'll start coming out of my pay.
-
- Affirmative, Pilot, besides, I kind of like this one.
-
-
- Anything else you care to share?
-
- I was digging through some of my personal mementos and came upon a
- plaque with the Spectre theme song etched on it. Thought you might
- enjoy. It is sung to the tune of "Ghost Riders in the Sky", an old
- country/western tune.
-
- Here it is:
-
- Fly high you mighty Spectre, you ship of blazing fools
- Deal death around the table, and never play by rules
- Lift up your wings at suns last ray, and silent like the night
- Fly East to where your target lies, and start your deadly fight
-
- Your foes will not suspect you're near, until they feel your sting
- Spit forth a flame that points at death, and make your bullets sing
-
- Though flak explode around you, stay on your circled path
- Bathe the bad in bloody steel, make them feel your wrath
-
- When all is quiet down below, and flames reach for the sky
- Speed home you battle-weary ship, for soon the dark will fly
-
- Speed home you mighty Spectre, touch down at sun's first ray
- You've flown to hell for battle, but shun the light of day
-
- Rest, rest you awesome Spectre, lick your battle wounds
- And fill your side with deadly store for night is coming soon.
-
- I have no idea who wrote this song, but I remember we had the
- instrumental of the record on the squadron juke box, and played it
- over and over again, and after consuming an overabundance of adult
- beverages, singing these words at the top of our lungs.
-
- Appendices (available at the SHWV website only)
-
- Roster of AC-130 Gunships.
-
- A Short History Of The Development Of The AC-130 Aircraft by Richard
- P. Dougherty.
-
- Evolution of the Computer on Fixed-wing Gunships by Richard P.
- Dougherty.
-
- Spectre in the Night Sky Means Trouble on the Trail by Lt. Col. James
- F. Humphries, Jr. A personal narrative by a bomber pilot of a flight
- on a gunship.
-
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