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Newsgroups: alt.tv.mwc,alt.answers,news.answers Path: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!198.6.0.7!uunet!ash.uu.net!world!tob From: tob@world.std.com Subject: Married... With Children FAQ [alt.tv.mwc] Summary: Answers to frequently asked questions about Married... With Children Sender: tob@world.std.com (Tom Breton) Message-ID: <GJ8yz2.17L@world.std.com> Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.EDU Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:28:13 GMT Reply-To: tob@world.std.com X-Posted-By: My own casual posting program Organization: BREnterprises Keywords: Married children FAQ Followup-To: alt.tv.mwc Lines: 719 Xref: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu alt.tv.mwc:20685 alt.answers:57588 news.answers:214679 Archive-name: tv/married-w-c-faq Version: 43 Posting-Frequency: every month URL: http://world.std.com/~tob/mwc.faq ------------------------------ Subject: 0.0. Introduction and Intent A short FAQ for alt.tv.mwc, the Married... With Children newsgroup. There are other informative documents for this group, notably Dean Adams' program guide. Unlike those, this file attempts to answer frequently asked questions that keep coming up. You may freely copy and distribute this file for personal use provided that it is distributed in its entirety, with all original author and copyright information intact. Any sales of this document are expressly forbidden, without the specific consent of the author. ------------------------------ Subject: 0.1. Table of Contents 0.0. Introduction and Intent 0.1. Table of Contents 1. Internet resources. 1.0. Where can I get Dean Adams' MWC program guide? 1.1. Is there a list of interesting quotes from MWC? 1.2. Are there MWC ftp sites? WWW pages? 1.3. (removed) 1.4. How do you know the names of the episodes? 1.5. How can I buy a NO MA'AM T-shirt? 1.6. How can I contact FOX TV on the net? 1.7. How can I order MWC-related books over the net? 2. Being a good newsgroup neighbor 2.0. Should I post binaries here? (GIFs, JPGs, WAVs...) 2.1. Someone has crossposted to all the tv groups! 2.2. But there are no rules. I'll post what I want. 2.3. What about UEA/Unhappily Ever After? 3. About the show itself 3.0. What was the deal with Seven? (The little blond boy) 3.1. What happened to David Garrison (Steve Rhoades)? 3.2. Peggy and Marcy were pregnant and suddenly they weren't. What happened? 3.3. What was The Lost Show? 3.4. What was the deal with the episode about the radio station? ...the episode about the Verduccis? ...the episode with Kelly in a weird double-date at some restaurant? 3.5. Who sings the MWC theme song? 3.6. What was the deal with the red convertible? 3.7. What was the deal the strange scene at the end of "The Unnatural", where Al plays baseball? 3.8. What does "NO MA'AM" stand for? 3.9. What name is "Al" short for? 3.A. How come in some episodes Peggy only has one scene ... 3.B. What is the full name of the hispanic woman reporter ... 3.C. What happened to Marcy's niece Amber? 3.D. What are the words to the Psycho Dad theme song? 3.E. Does anyone know why MWC was cancelled? 3.F. In syndication, why do they keep showing just the episodes from the last few seasons? 4. About the stars 4.0. Has Christina Applegate ever posed nude? (No) 4.1. Isn't Amanda Bearse a lesbian? 4.2. Why did they replace Buck The Dog? 4.3. How can I write to members of the cast? 4.4. Is Christina related to the porn star Colleen Applegate? 5. What else have the MWC stars appeared in? 6. Acknowledgements 6.0 Maintainer 6.1 Contributors to this FAQ 7. The obvious. 7.0. What was the best show on TV? ------------------------------ Subject: 1.0. Where can I get Dean Adams' MWC program guide? This used to be available at http://www.nyx.net/~dnadams/mwcguide.zip but that link recently want dead. If anyone has a live url, please let me know. ------------------------------ Subject: 1.1. Is there a list of interesting quotes from MWC? Bob Pack used to post a list, but none of the links to it seem to work any more. Joachim Raue has collected some in English http://www.weihenstephan.org/~joaraue/goto/ebquotes.html and in German translation http://www.weihenstephan.org/~joaraue/goto/dbquotes.html Also see http://www.bundydomain.com/ for another list ------------------------------ Subject: 1.2. Are there MWC ftp sites? WWW pages? I have made these as up-to-date as I was able, but the net changes all the time and I don't have time to constantly recheck everything. If the addresses given don't work and you can get me better information, please do. Having been informed that it's unwieldy to type in the URL's by hand, I have placed an index of all the MWC web pages I know of at: http://world.std.com/~tob/mwc.htm Note that the extension is _3_ letters. The page also includes links to Dean Adam's guide and Bob Pack's list (Subject 1.1 and Subject 1.2), an interview with David Faustino, and miscellaneous MWC-related material. Email me if there are any problems. ------------------------------ Subject: 1.3. Is there a MWC drinking game? Yes, there is again, at: http://home.t-online.de/home/ManuelWEB/drink.htm ------------------------------ Subject: 1.4. How do you know the names of the episodes? There are several ways. The Sony site has them (See Subject 1.2), Dean Adams' program guide has them (See Subject 1.0), and at least one electronic TV guide has them. ------------------------------ Subject: 1.5. How can I buy a NO MA'AM T-shirt? See Ed Bell's webpage, http://members.aol.com/eeb2/nomaam.htm ------------------------------ Subject: 1.6. How can I contact FOX TV on the net? There is an email link at the Fox site, http://www.foxworld.com/ptsun.htm or you can email Fox directly at mailto:askfox@foxinc.com Also suggested, which I couldn't access when I tried to confirm it: http://bbs2.iguide.com/cgi-foxworld/podium ------------------------------ Subject: 1.7. How can I order MWC-related books over the net? There are at least 2 MWC-related books that can be ordered over the net with just a credit card, all from amazon.com: Bundyisms : The Wit and Wisdom of America's Last Family http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1572972513/theworldwidebullA/ Pig out with Peg http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0380764318/theworldwidebullA/ Amazon.com says that "The Big Book of Bundyisms : Married With Children" will now not be published, as with the show out of production, it is no longer seen as a viable project. [thx to Stuart Manning] ------------------------------ Subject: 2.0. Should I post binaries here? (GIFs, JPGs, WAVs...) Please don't. There are better options, such as putting it on your web page, on your ftp site, or posting it to a binaries group. The binaries group alt.binaries.multimedia.the-bundys was created specifically to be an appropriate place for binaries that would otherwise be posted on alt.tv.mwc. Note that all on-topic material is appropriate to either one group or the other (alt.tv.mwc or alt.binaries.multimedia.the-bundys), so no-one is being asked to not post their stuff. Also, if you're posting just to hear whether that nude pic is really Christina, it isn't; see Subject 4.0. ------------------------------ Subject: 2.1. Someone has crossposted to all the tv groups! Please just killfile the thread until it dies. Spammers usually do not go back and read the replies to their posts in dozens of newsgroups. It does no good to post a complaint within the group. By replying to a spam in public, you inadvertantly become a spammer yourself by cross-posting your reply to all of the groups the spammer originally posted to. Complaining to the poster's internet service provider is recommended. If you feel you must answer, please answer by email instead of publicly, so that your flamage only afflicts the one that crossposted it. ------------------------------ Subject: 2.2. But there are no rules. I'll post what I want. It's true that no unmoderated group (alt or otherwise) has enforceable rules. If they did, we'd see a lot less spam but a lot more censorship. Nevertheless, there's a reason Usenet has lots of different newsgroups, rather than one big one. There's value in following a consensus about what things belong where. Everybody (except spammers) benefits. ------------------------------ Subject: 2.3. What about UEA/Unhappily Ever After? Unhappily Ever After is a TV show on the WB that was modelled in many respects on MWC, and shares many of MWC's former writers and producer. alt.tv.mwc has become the ~de facto~ home for traffic about UEA. alt.fan.nikki-cox (for one of the UEA stars) exists on some sites, but for some reason has not garnered noticeable traffic. I believe the general feeling in alt.tv.mwc runs as follows: Most readers seem to have no objection to it, and many appreciate it to some degree. However, a minority of readers vocally object to UEA traffic. For the moment, I don't believe it's wrong to post UEA traffic as long as the subject line clearly says "Unhappily Ever After" or "UEA". If you honestly feel strongly about not seeing it, it's easy to killfile UEA/Unhappily Ever After. In rn and its derivatives: /UEA/K:j /Unhappily Ever After/K:j It's also relatively easy to create alt.tv.uea, alt.tv.unhappily-e-a, or alt.tv.the-malloys. If someone wants to do that, I'll adjust this FAQ appropriately. ------------------------------ Subject: 3.0. What was the deal with Seven? (The little blond boy) In the 7th season, in what appeared to be an attempt to appeal to a more mainstream audience, the producers hired Shane Sweet to play the recurring character Seven. The storyline (in the 7th season opener) is that relatives come to visit the Bundys and stick them with their kid. It quickly became clear that the fans were not happy with the new direction or the new character. The writers at first wrote fewer lines for him, and then wrote him out altogether. His disappearance was never explained in the show, although "Rock Of Ages" (NOT his last show) hints at an explanation. Shane Sweet's last appearance was on "Peggy and the Pirates". However, his face appeared in two later episodes. I will not spoil the jokes by explaining this. ------------------------------ Subject: 3.1. What happened to David Garrison (Steve Rhoades)? David left the show to further his Broadway career. He was not fired, he bought out his own contract. The last show that aired with Steve Rhoades as a regular character was _Rock and Roll Girl_. This was slightly confusing to some viewers, since R&RG was not written to be his last show. _A Taxing Problem_ was actually the last regular Steve Rhoades episode to be shot, and sets up his departure better. In _You Gotta Know When To Fold 'Em_, Steve's disappearance is explained -- he left Marcy to become a forest ranger in Yosemite national park. He has returned 4 times, in "The Egg And I", "Peggy and the Pirates", "Get the Dodge out of Hell", and "Radio Free Trumaine". ------------------------------ Subject: 3.2. Peggy and Marcy were pregnant and suddenly they weren't. What happened? Katey Sagal was pregnant in real life, as she was in the first half of the sixth season. Unfortunately she miscarried. She was reportedly willing to continue the story line, but the producers decided against it. In the episode "Al Bundy, Shoe Dick", both pregancies were explained as a bad dream. ------------------------------ Subject: 3.3. What was The Lost Show? "The Lost Show" was slated to be episode 310, "I'll See You In Court". The producers could not come to an agreement with the network censors, and the episode has never aired in the US. It has aired in Europe. Producer Michael G. Moye has said about the episode: "If it aired today people would wonder what the problem was." There is a much fuller explanation in Dean Adams' program guide. (see Subject: 1.0.) ------------------------------ Subject: 3.4. What was the deal with the episode about the radio station? ...the episode about the Verduccis? ...the episode with Kelly in a weird double-date at some restaurant? Married... With Children was Fox's longest-running show. As such, they have used it three times as a "launching pad" for attempted spinoffs: "Top of the Heap" (the episode that begins with Charlie Verducci throwing a cat out a window) "Radio Free Trumaine" (the episode about a college radio station). "Enemies" (the episode where Kelly is dating a guy who cheating on his girlfriend who is cheating on him with Alan Thicke) These three are technically episodes of MWC, but focus mostly on the new series' characters. In my opinion, they are better considered the first episodes of the spinoffs. The episode "Top Of The Heap" in the fifth season introduced the spinoff "Top Of The Heap". Al Bundy appears in one scene, and also very briefly at the end; other than that, no regular characters appear. The spinoff lasted a short time, with several cameos by Bundys. The episode "Radio Free Trumaine" in the ninth season introduced an unnamed spinoff. All of the regular characters appear in the episode, but only Bud, Marcy, and Steve Rhoades appear more than briefly. Fox changed its mind about actually ordering and airing the spinoff, so that's all there is of it, to the best of my knowledge. The episode "Enemies" in the tenth season introduced "Enemies". All of the regular characters appear in the episode, but only Kelly appears more than briefly. There was talk of Fox airing the series _Enemies_ this season (1996-1997) but it didn't happen. ------------------------------ Subject: 3.5. Who sings the MWC theme song? Yes, that is Frank Sinatra. ------------------------------ Subject: 3.6. What was the deal with the red convertible? This is actually the answer to _two_ frequently asked questions: What happened to the car that Peg won in "Just Married... With Children"? (The episode where Al & Peg go on a game show where newlyweds torture their spouse for prizes, "How Do I Love Thee?") Where did the Bundys get the red car they left on the freeway in "We'll Follow The Sun"? (The episode where the Bundys are stuck in a traffic jam on the freeway for most of the show) Each question answers the other. ------------------------------ Subject: 3.7. What was the deal the strange scene at the end of "The Unnatural", where Al plays baseball? It is a takeoff on "Eight Men Out", a movie about baseball's Shoeless Joe Jackson. ------------------------------ Subject: 3.8. What does "NO MA'AM" stand for? National Organization of Men Against Amazonian Masterhood! ------------------------------ Subject: 3.9. What name is "Al" short for? On the show it has always been simply Al. One of the few names short enough that Peggy can scream it out during sex. It has been said that Ed O'Neill was on AOL and said Al was short for Alfonz. But was it really Ed? ------------------------------ Subject: 3.A. How come in some episodes Peggy only has one scene, talking on the phone from some faraway place? Because in real life Katey was/is pregnant. (See Subject 3.2) In the show her absence is explained by: Returning to Wanker county to be taken care of / it was all a dream "BUCK HAS A BELLY ACHE" (606) thru "AL BUNDY, SHOE DICK" (611) Returning to Wanker county to take care of her heart-attacked mother. "SHOEWAY TO HEAVEN" (901) thru "BUSINESS SUCKS (part 1)" (905) Travelling to find her wayward father. "Calendar Girl" thru "Torch Song Duet" ------------------------------ Subject: 3.B. What is the full name of the hispanic woman reporter who we keep seeing? Teresa Parente, who plays Miranda, spells it "Miranda Veracruz de la Jolla Cardenal" and she would know better than anybody. Other spellings abound. It is even spelled inconsistently on the credits... "Miranda Cardinal" (_Bud Hits the Books_), "Miranda Veracruz de Cardinale" (_Children Of The Corns_). ------------------------------ Subject: 3.C. What happened to Marcy's niece Amber? They never explained why she disappeared. A few episodes since Juliet Tablak's last appearance had roles seemingly written for her, like April in Radio Free Trumaine, but played by someone else. When the question has come up on the newsgroup, no-one seemed to know whether Juliet was unavailable or what. ------------------------------ Subject: 3.D. What are the words to the Psycho Dad theme song? Courtesy of Dean Adams' program guide: "Psycho Dad" theme song: Who's that riding into the sun. Who's the man with the itchy gun. Who's the man who kills for fun! Psycho Dad. Psycho Dad. Psycho Dad! He sleeps with a gun, but he loves his son. Killed his wife 'cause she weighed a ton... Psycho Dad! [From AL... WITH KELLY (501)] "Psycho Dad" new theme song: A little touched or so we're told. Killed his wife 'cause she had a cold. Might as well, she was gettin' old. Psy-cho Dad, Psycho Dad, Psycho Dad. He's quick with a gun, and his job ain't done. Killed his wife by twenty-one, he's Psy-cho Dad! "Psycho Mom" theme song: Who's the gal who needs no man? Killed him dead with the frying pan. Did it 'cause he missed the can. Psycho Mom, Psycho Mom, she's Psy-cho Mom! [From TEACHER PETS (621)] Marcy's take on "Psycho Dad": Who's the guy who's show is done? Whose TV hero's on the run? Who'll be watching VH-1? Loser Al, Loser Al, Loser Al! [From I WANT MY PSYCHO DAD, PART 1] ------------------------------ Subject: 3.E. Does anyone know why MWC was cancelled? Not unless Philip Roth (CEO of Fox at the time) is lurking here. In the initial announcement, Fox gave two reasons, the cost of the show and the ratings. They later said "many different factors". Fox's explanation isn't entirely taken at face value in alt.tv.mwc. The newsgroup's collective wisdom leans towards money as a big reason. Towards the end MWC reportedly cost in the area of 1.5 million US$ per episode, a lot of money even for a hit TV series. The general feeling is that ratings are a red herring. 9 million US viewers managed to find the show in each of its many different timeslots during the final season, despite little advertising. So choose your own explanation. ------------------------------ Subject: 3.F. In syndication, why do they keep showing just the episodes from the last few seasons? The situation has changed since this entry was added. As of late 1998, older episodes can be seen in syndication. If you're curious as to why syndication behaved like that, Brian Petersen, webmaster of The Simpsons Archive (http://www.snpp.com/), filled me in. What follows is essentially his explanation, with minor editing for the current situation. [Begin] Syndicated episodes are sold on contracts that specifically specify how many times each episode must run. For instance, when the deal for MWC's syndication was inked, it may have stated that each episode was allowed 15 runs in national syndication tops. Once that limit had been reached for episode x, it can no longer be shown. The reason the newer shows [were] running "exclusively" is because they entered syndication later than the newer ones, and [hadn't] yet reached their maximum number of runs... The end result is that you have a high concentration of new episodes in syndication now, just like when syndication for MWC began, you had a high concentration of old episodes, as that's all that [was] available at that point in time. Luckily, this doesn't mean old episodes are doomed. Syndication is done in two ways: on barter contracts, and on cash contracts. Barter is the "national" form. The distributor decides what episodes air, and all stations run the same shows on the same dates; kind of like how it works on a network. The rules that say how many times episodes may air only apply to barter runs. The reason it's called "barter" is because the episodes are fed via satellite and contain a couple of commercials that come from the distributor. In return for airing those commercials, stations get to show the series at almost NO COST. However, some stations may opt to sign for a cash contract. As the name implies, they have to PAY for each airing. The reason is that this type of contract has no commercials coming from the distributor; stations use an in-house tape library to play the episodes, and THEY decide what episodes air: including old ones. If your station has at least one cash run, then they can just as easily decide to run old episodes as newer ones. They aren't under the syndicator's control, after all. [End] Also, be aware that stations that show MWC in syndication are not neccessarily Fox affiliates, they are simply stations that purchased the rights to show MWC reruns in your area. ------------------------------ Subject: 4.0. Has Christina Applegate ever posed nude? (No) We used to get this question a lot. There exist nude pictures that claim to be her, which fall into 3 categories: * Other people who bear a small resemblance to her. Notably Penthouse model Brianna Rae, Neriah Davis, Heather Lere and playmate Barbara Moore. The Moore photo usually has attached the story that it was sent "by an angry ex-boyfriend". If so, he very oddly sent Ms. Moore's picture instead of his ex's. Incidentally, Barbara Moore played Dee Anna in "The Wedding Repercussions" and Neriah Davis played Anytime in "Flight of the Bumblebee". * Cut-and-paste jobs: Modified versions of genuine, non-nude pictures of her. Usually her head or face pasted onto another woman's body. I know of at least half a dozen, ranging from very poor fakes to an almost-convincing picture on a white background with flowers. * Stills from _Streets_. These are really her, they just aren't very nude. Among the disputed claims about the scenes in _Streets_: That she used some sort of fake breasts or fake top. (This seems plausible to me, given the positioning and the proportions.) That there was a body double. (This does not seem plausible to me because her face is visible. I'm reliably told that it is really her) If you want to be very technical, many years ago she appeared naked as a baby with her mother in a commercial for Playtex baby bottle liners. ------------------------------ Subject: 4.1. Isn't Amanda Bearse a lesbian? Yes, she has said so publicly. ------------------------------ Subject: 4.2. Why did they replace Buck The Dog? Because the original Buck was very old. 12 1/2 years when he retired, which is longer than most briards live. Remember, Buck was a trained adult dog in the first season. Buck the character-dog died in "Requiem For A Dead Briard" and was re-incarnated as Lucky; Buck the actor-dog retired and has since died. ------------------------------ Subject: 4.3. How can I write to members of the cast? Unfortunately it's been hard to get clear information on that. I'm told that the address below still works even tho the show is cancelled: <name> c/o Married... With Children c/o Sony Picture Studios 10202 W. Washington Blvd Culver City, CA 90232 You could write c/o their agents. Note that these are their *agents* (at their offices or something, I assume), so please don't send me mail saying "Augh! What about stalkers?" Christina Applegate c/o Tami Lynn 20411 Chapter Drive Woodland Hills, CA. 91364 Ed O'Neill 2607 Grand Canal, Venice (Los Angeles) CA 90291 Katey Sagal 7095 Hollywood Boulevard, #792, Los Angeles CA 90028 Thanks to Andreas Carl <ancarl@studi.unizh.ch> for these. Note that the agency address that Mr. Showbiz gave for Christina Applegate (International Creative Management) is apparently wrong. ------------------------------ Subject: 4.4. Is Christina related to the porn star Colleen Applegate? No. She's not the same person. They're not sisters. The only relation between them that the entire collective knowledge of alt.tv.mwc and alt.fan.christina-applegate has ever discovered is that their names sound alike. Applegate is an uncommon surname but hardly unique, for instance, columnist Liz Applegate. Christina has no full siblings. She has a half-sister and half-brother, both of whom are emphatically not dead porn stars. ------------------------------ Subject: 5. What else have the MWC stars appeared in? This section has moved to http://world.std.com/~tob/mwc-credits.txt ------------------------------ Subject: 6.0 Maintainer This FAQ is maintained by tob@world.std.com, and is available at http://world.std.com/~tob/mwc.htm ------------------------------ Subject: 6.1 Contributors to this FAQ The list of stars other projects (See Subject 5) was originally compiled by e141-bc@scorpius.berkeley.edu (John Rinck), but has roughly doubled in size with later contributions. Other contributors to this FAQ include 93k007@chestud.chalmers.se Alex.DeRouck@Cyberkafee.be JADCORTI@ARTSU1.watstar.uwaterloo.ca Stan Hill <shill@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> abeechey@aol.com aderouck@cyberkafee.be annlindgk@aol.com arkhive@apusapus.demon.co.uk bmeier@netgate.net Cincy43235@aol.com cmary@earthlink.net dolf@apd.dec.com e9026447@student.tuwien.ac.at ecannon@mail.utexas.edu gem <gem@atlantis-bbs.com> inefuku@worldnet.att.net (Harrison Inefuku) j#d#.moore@canrem.com (J. Moore) jjoseph@interlog.com jsinger@nyx.cs.du.edu keithi@kalama.doe.Hawaii.Ed kenned10@ix.netcom.com (Dan Kennedy) lee@hp.rmc.ca linnea541@worldnet.att.net (John B. Chessor) lloyd3@ix.netcom.com (Lloyd Salisbury ) mapmaker@smartlink.net maxim@astro.ocis.temple.edu mcgee@umich.edu nls7146@vms1.tamu.edu oliver@tom.aworld.de rachford@ecn.purdue.edu rnjana@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu rwright@indirect.com svaranas@ic.sunysb.edu sjadams@citynet.net vendrig@fwi.uva.nl ------------------------------ Subject: 7.0. What was the best show on TV? Married... With Children. But in _Kelly's Gotta Habit_, Al says that _Cops_ is the best show on TV, putting an ol' FAQ maintainer in an awkward position... -- This FAQ is also available through http://world.std.com/~tob/mwc.htm [ Note that the extension is _3_ letters ]