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- The alt.fan.dune FAQ Part 1/4
-
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-
- 1. Document information
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 1.1 Table of Contents
-
- PART 1
-
- 1. Document information
- 1.1 Table of Contents
- 1.2 Recent changes
- 1.3 What is the purpose of this document?
- 1.4 Where can I get this document?
- 1.5 Who wrote this document?
-
- 2. Questions about alt.fan.dune
- 2.1 What is alt.fan.dune?
- 2.2 What is appropriate subject material for alt.fan.dune?
- 2.3 What is suggested netiquette for alt.fan.dune?
- 2.4 What special terminology is used on alt.fan.dune?
-
- 3. Questions about the Dune franchise
- 3.1 What is Dune?
- 3.2 Where can I find out more about Dune?
-
- 4. Questions about the Dune story
- 4.1 Which Dune adaptations are officially part of the story?
- 4.2 Is _The Dune Encyclopedia_ canon?
- 4.3 What inconsistencies and errrors are there in the Dune books?
- 4.4 What are the origins of House Atreides?
- 4.5 Who are Marty and Daniel at the end of _Chapterhouse: Dune_?
- 4.6 Who is Scytale?
- 4.7 Why isn't Leto II called Leto III?
- 4.8 What is House Ordos?
- 4.9 What is the Litany Against Fear?
- 4.10 What is the Mentat Mantra?
-
- PART 2
-
- 5. Questions about written materials on Dune
- 5.1 What books are in the _Dune_ series?
- 5.2 Are more _Dune_ stories being written?
- 5.3 What other books about Dune have been published?
- 5.4 What other books has Frank Herbert written?
- 5.5 Have the books in the _Dune_ series been serialised?
- 5.6 Have the books in the _Dune_ series been translated?
- 5.7 Are there any differences between _Dune_ series editions?
- 5.8 Are there any comics and illustrated books about Dune?
- 5.9 Can I get a signed copy of _The Dune Encyclopedia_?
-
- PART 3
-
- 6. Questions about the films
- 6.1 What is the movie _Dune_?
- 6.2 Is there more than one version of the movie?
- 6.3 How do I get each version of the movie?
- 6.4 What merchandise was produced in connection with the movie?
- 6.5 Has there been other attempts to film _Dune_?
- 6.6 What is the _Dune_ TV series?
-
- 7. Questions about sound recordings relating to Dune
- 7.1 Are there any Dune-related music albums?
- 7.2 Has Dune inspired other music?
- 7.3 Are there any spoken word recordings of Dune works?
-
- PART 4
-
- 8. Questions about the games
- 8.1 What MU*s are there with a Dune theme?
- 8.2 How do I make these MU*s look right on my screen?
- 8.3 Are there any computer and video games about Dune?
- 8.4 Are there any board games about Dune?
- 8.5 Are there any collectible card games (CCGs/TCGs) about Dune?
- 8.6 Are there any role-playing games (RPGs) about Dune?
- 8.7 Are there any fan-created games about Dune?
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 1.2 Recent changes
-
-
- 01/12/06: Added Section 5.6.15 and 7.2.1
- Updated Section 1.4, 4.1, 4.3, 5.2, 5.3, 5.6, 6.3, 6.6, 7.1,
- 7.2 and 8.3
- 01/06/24: Updated Section 3.2, 8.6
- 01/06/20: Added Section 8.3.6, 7.1.2, 7.1.4
- Updated Section 4.4, 5.4, 5.5.5, 5.6.1, 7.2, 8.3, 8.6, 8.7
- 01/03/10: Updated Section 5.3.2, 5.6.5 and 7.2
- 00/11/29: Updated Section 5.3.1, 5.3.2, 6.3, 6.6, 7.1.3 and 7.2
- 00/10/26: Added entries BBHKA, D:HH and TFO's to Section 2.4.1
- Updated Section 5.2.2, 5.3.1, 5.7.1, 5.7.4, 7.2, 8.5, 8.6
- Added Section 5.6.9, 8.3.4, 8.3.5
- 00/07/12: Updated Section 4.4
- 00/06/11: Added Section 4.7
- 00/04/04: Updated Section 5.3.1, 5.6, 5.7.2, 5.7.3, 8.6 and 8.7.
- Added Section 5.7.4
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 1.3 What is the purpose of this document?
-
- This is the alt.fan.dune Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) file. Its
- purpose is to introduce new members to the alt.fan.dune newsgroup, and
- to answer common questions about _Dune_ and alt.fan.dune.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 1.4 Where can I get this document?
-
- The FAQ is posted monthly to alt.fan.dune, alt.answers and news.answers.
- It can also be obtained in these ways:
-
- By anonymous FTP:
- <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/alt.fan.dune/>
- <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/news.answers/sf/dune-faq>
- <ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/sf/dune-faq>
-
- By e-mail:
- mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu
- with a body of "send pub/faqs/sf/dune-faq/part#"
- (where # is from 1 to 4)
-
- From the World Wide Web:
- <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/sf/dune-faq/>
- <http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~gh248/dunefaq/>
-
- Inquiries/suggestions/corrections can be mailed to:
- dunefaq@email.com
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 1.5 Who wrote this document?
-
- Alan Schwartz created this FAQ, as well as the alt.fan.dune newsgroup.
- Christian Gilmore later took over responsibility for the FAQ. The
- current maintainer of the FAQ is me, Gunnar Harboe <dunefaq@email.com>.
- Where entire passages have been contributed by other persons, the
- relevant text is attributed to them.
-
- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
-
- 2. Questions about alt.fan.dune
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 2.1 What is alt.fan.dune?
-
- alt.fan.dune is a newsgroup for postings related to Frank Herbert's
- _Dune_ series or any of its adaptations, including but not limited to
- the movie _Dune_ and all Dune games. The group will provide a forum for
- fans of Herbert's work to communicate.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 2.2 What is appropriate subject material for alt.fan.dune?
-
- Discussion of anything related to Herbert's _Dune_ series, or any of its
- adaptations, is appropriate. Discussion of Frank Herbert or any of his
- other work is permissible. Discussions about general MU* issues should
- be directed to the rec.games.mud.* hierarchy, most likely
- rec.games.mud.tiny. Discussions about strategy issues for the Westwood
- games should when possible be directed to a general strategy games or
- Westwood game newsgroup, possibly alt.games.dune-ii.virgin-games.
-
- Binaries are not allowed in this newsgroup. Relevant binaries should be
- posted to a proper alt.binaries newsgroup and a pointer to these
- binaries should be posted to alt.fan.dune.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 2.3 What is suggested netiquette for alt.fan.dune?
-
- HTML-format posts are discouraged on alt.fan.dune. Please use standard
- text format for the convenience of all newsreaders.
-
- If discussing with a person who apparently hasn't read past a certain
- point in the series, please use <SPOILER> warnings when referring to
- information given past that point. The same applies for plot points with
- obvious suspense value, e.g. "Is Paul the Preacher?"
-
- In your own best interest, try to keep posts clear and concise. Pay some
- attention to spelling. Attempt to stay on-topic. Always be courteous and
- polite. Never flame (deliberately offend), and don't respond to flames.
- A poster who oversteps the bounds of tolerance may find him- or herself
- "shunned" by the bulk of the newsgroup, which means that no posts by
- that poster will be answered.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 2.4 What special terminology is used on alt.fan.dune?
-
- Several shorthand abbreviations and acronyms are commonly used on
- alt.fan.dune. Knowing these will make it very much easier to understand
- posts to the newsgroup.
-
- ---------------
- 2.4.1 alt.fan.dune local terms
-
- These terms are unique to alt.fan.dune. A * after an entry indicates
- that the name in question is a real person, not a character from the
- _Dune_ series.
-
- afd: alt.fan.dune
- AG: After Guild
- AM: Ancestral (sometimes called Genetic) Memory
- BG: Bene Gesserit (sometimes: Before Guild)
- BBHKA: Before Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson
- BH: Brian Herbert*/Baron Harkonnen
- BJ: Butlerian Jihad
- BT: Bene Tleilax
- CD/C:D/ChD/Ch:D: _Chapterhouse Dune_
- CET: Commission of Ecumenic Translators
- (Dune) Chronicles: FH's six Dune novels
- CoD: _Children of Dune_
- D: _Dune_
- D:HA: _Dune: House Atreides_
- D:HH: _Dune: House Harkonnen_
- D2K: Dune 2000
- DDL: Dino De Laurentiis (Corp.)*
- DC: Dune Chronicles
- DE: Dune Encyclopedia
- DI: Duncan Idaho
- DL: David Lynch*
- DM: _Dune Messiah_
- Dune buggy: A fan of Dune
- Duniverse: The fictional universe of the _Dune_ series
- EoMF: Enemies of Many Faces (see also OoMF)
- FD: Face Dancers (see also NFD, RNFD)
- FH: Frank Herbert*
- GE: God Emperor (Leto II)
- GEoD: _God Emperor of Dune_
- GHM: Gaius Helen Mohiam / Great Honoured Matre
- GJ: Gom Jabbar
- GN: Guild Navigator
- GP: Golden Path
- H: Harkonnen(s)
- HA: House Atreides / _Dune: House Atreides_
- HM: Honoured Matre(s)
- HoD: _Heretics of Dune_
- JS: John Schoenherr*
- KH: Kwisatz Haderach
- KJA: Kevin J. Anderson*
- LttLH: _Listening to the Left Hand_
- M&D: Marty and Daniel
- MoS: Mark of Siona
- MS: Mother Superior
- NDR: No Dune References
- NFD: "New" Face Dancers (see also FD, RNFD)
- OC(B): Orange Catholic (Bible)
- OE: Old Empire
- OM: Other Memory
- OoMF: Ones of Many Faces (see also EoMF)
- RM: Reverend Mother (RMGHM: Rev. Mother GHM)
- RNFD: (humorous) "Really New" Face Dancers (Marty and Daniel)
- SA: Spice Agony
- SG: Spacing Guild
- shun: Refuse to reply to any posts made by a certain poster
- SODR: Sort of Dune related
- SS: Salusa Secundus
- SY: Standard Year
- TFM: (humorous) _The Fandom Menace_ (_Dune: House Atreides_)
- TFO's: The First Ones* (alt.fan.dune Old-timers)
- TM: Tleilaxu Masters
- TP: Telepathy
- UD: Ultimate Duncan (Duncan of HoD/Ch:D)
- WEM: Dr. Willis E. McNelly* (in DE: Walter E. Meyers*)
- WoL: Water of Life
-
- ---------------
- 2.4.2 General Internet terms
-
- These terms are in common use all over Usenet and Internet. A short list
- of some of the most frequently used is provided here as a convenience to
- newcomers to the medium.
-
- AFAIK: As far as I know
- BTW: By the way
- FAQ: Frequently asked question(s) (file)
- flame: Inflammatory message
- IIRC: If I recall correctly
- IM(H)O: In my (humble) opinion
- IOW: In other words
- LOL: Laughing out loud
- newbie: Newcomer to the newsgroup
- ng: Newsgroup
- OT: Off-topic / Old-timer
- OTOH: On the other hand
- ROTFLOL: Rolling on the floor, laughing out loud
- spam: Junk message. Often advertisement.
- troll: Person who tries to sabotage newsgroup by provoking members
-
- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
-
- 3. Questions about the Dune franchise
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 3.1 What is Dune?
-
- _Dune_ is the first of a series of science fiction books by Frank
- Herbert. The adaptations of _Dune_ include a full motion picture, a
- television miniseries and several major computer games.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 3.2 Where can I find out more about Dune?
-
- ---------------
- 3.2.1 In this FAQ
-
- For all official published _Dune_ stories: 5.1-5.3
- For a list of books with analyses of _Dune_: 5.3
-
- ---------------
- 3.2.2 World Wide Web URLs
-
- The task of keeping an updated and complete list of all Dune-related web
- sites became insurmountable long ago. This, therefore, is only meant as
- a starting point for further discovery. If you know of a website you
- feel should be on this list, please email <dunefaq@email.com>.
-
- The Frank Herbert Partnership official Dune site
- <http://www.dunenovels.com/>
-
- General and book-related:
- Museum Arrakeen
- <http://www.fremen.org/museum/>
- The World of Dune
- <http://www.duneworld.org/>
- Usul's Homepage
- <http://www.usul.net/>
- Dune Index
- <http://www.arrakis.co.uk/>
- The Universe of Frank Herbert
- <http://universe.pa-roots.com/>
-
- Film-related:
- Dune - Behind the Scenes
- <http://www.flg21.com/dune/>
- The Arrakis File
- <http://members.aol.com/hiphats/arrakis0.html>
-
- Game-related:
- FED2k
- <http://www.dune2k.com/>
- Dune 1: Immersive Game
- <http://www.terravista.pt/Nazare/4347/dune.html>
-
- Webrings:
- The Dune Webring
- <http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=ibad>
- Dune Chapterhouse Ring
- <http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=chapterhouse>
- Arrakis, The Dune RPG Webring
- <http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=fishspeakers>
-
- ---------------
- 3.2.3 Online games sites
-
- Dune III MUSH: dune3.fremen.org 4201
- Regent of Dune MUX: regent.nakednuns.com 4201
- DuneMUD: dune.servint.com 8888
-
- For more information on the above games, see also:
- <http://www.fremen.org/muds/>
-
- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
-
- 4. Questions about the Dune story
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 4.1 Which Dune adaptations are officially part of the story?
-
- Among most Dune fans, at least on alt.fan.dune, only the Dune stories
- written by Frank Herbert are considered "canon," i.e. official parts of
- the story. These are, exclusively, the six Dune novels of the Chronicles
- and the short story "The Road to Dune" in _Eye_.
-
- Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson claim to "continue to establish
- canon in the Dune universe" with their prequels. However, many fans have
- noted the numerous inconsistencies and implausibilities in their books
- (see Section 4.3) and have become convinced that the authors don't have
- any unique knowledge or understanding of Frank Herbert's intentions. The
- prequels then become little more than "corporate fan-fiction".
-
- The motion picture and television miniseries are generally accepted (if
- not respected) as artistic interpretations of _Dune_. Although Frank
- Herbert worked as a consultant on the film, most agree that it does not
- reflect his work, thoughts or opinions beyond being based on his
- original novel.
-
- Information from the computer games, RPG documentation and so on is
- typically completely disregarded as more corporate fan-fiction. The same
- goes for actual fan-fiction, of course.
-
- For an explanation of the status of _The Dune Encyclopedia_, see the
- next section.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 4.2 Is _The Dune Encyclopedia_ canon?
-
- _The Dune Encyclopedia_ was published in 1984, between _God Emperor of
- Dune_ and _Heretics of Dune_, as a companion piece to the Dune
- Chronicles. It was presented as the interpretation of the information
- found in the Rakis hoard (first mentioned in _God Emperor of Dune_) by
- fictional historians two thousand years after the action of _God Emperor
- of Dune_ (again, some time before the action of _Heretics of Dune_).
- Because of this pretext, many entries in the book were intentionally
- made inconsistent with the information given in the Chronicles, to
- represent misinterpretation of the data by historians and manipulation
- of the records by Leto II.
-
- _The Dune Encyclopedia_ was compiled and partially written by Dr. Willis
- E. McNelly, a long-time friend and associate of Frank Herbert's. The
- other articles were written by various of Dr. McNelly's colleagues and
- acquaintances. No part of the book, except the prologue, was written by
- Frank Herbert. However, Frank Herbert read and approved every entry
- before inclusion in the book. The book was also created on Frank
- Herbert's initiative. As stated in his prologue, he thoroughly approved
- of it.
-
- Still, the fact remains that the book does not reflect Frank Herbert's
- ideas on Dune. No instance of him adopting a _Dune Encyclopedia_
- invention has been demonstrated, and on some points (the axlotl vats,
- the Harkonnen badge) later novels in the Chronicles contradict it beyond
- the power of the book's fictional origins to explain away.
-
- Where _The Dune Encyclopedia_ directly conflicts with the Dune
- Chronicles, whether attributable to the historians who supposedly wrote
- it or not, it is politely ignored. Where it fills in the holes of Frank
- Herbert's novels, though, attitudes vary. Some refuse to consider it
- altogether, while others tend to apply as much information from it as
- possible without contradiction.
-
- As Dr. McNelly himself replied: "Of course the DE is not canon, and of
- course it IS canon."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 4.3 What inconsistencies and errors are there in the Dune books??
-
- The Dune books have a number of apparent errors, inconsistencies and
- contradictions with each other and sometimes themselves. This is true of
- Frank Herbert's original Chronicles, but even more of the Brian Herbert
- and Kevin J. Anderson-penned prequels.
-
- In the former case, the reason usually given is that Frank Herbert tried
- to make the story of each volume as tight as possible, and didn't shrink
- from disregarding things stated in previous novels to achieve it.
- Sometimes, though, simple error seems to be the reason.
-
- Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson cannot very well disregard
- continuity in this fashion, so we must assume all discrepancies are
- mistakes.
-
- This is only a partial list. Note that some of these "errors" may have
- consistent (but implausible) explanations.
-
- ---------------
- 4.3.1 _Dune: House Atreides_
-
- - The planet Harmonthep is mentioned several times in _House Atreides_.
- However, in _Dune_ we are told that Harmonthep is "supposed to have been
- a no longer existent satellite of Delta Pavonis", indicating it was
- destroyed long ago.
-
- - The construction of the Harkonnen no-room we see in _Heretics of Dune_
- happens here. However, _Heretics of Dune_ firmly establishes that "the
- whole no-globe complex, some two hundred meters in diameter, was a
- fossil preserved intact from the time of the Tyrant."
-
- - The Kwisatz Haderach breeding program is said to go back 10,000 years.
- According to _Dune_ it has gone on for 90 generations. That would work
- out to 111 years per generation (the traditional figure is 20).
-
- - In _House Atreides_, Piter de Vries is addicted to sapho juice. This
- is not mentioned at all in _Dune_, but much is, on the other hand, made
- of his addiction to spice (which _House Atreides_ doesn't mention).
-
- - It appears to be general knowledge that the Tleilaxu are religious
- fanatics. So how come it is such a major revelation for the Bene
- Gesserit in _Heretics of Dune_ and is not known to any character in the
- Chronicles before that?
-
- - Elacca wood is described as "wood from Elacca". According to Dune,
- elacca wood (note lack of capitalization) comes from Ecaz. (After this
- was pointed out, the authors posted an "explanation" on their website.)
-
- - In this book, Crown Prince Shaddam and Count Fenring take great care
- to make sure no one discovers that Emperor Elrood has been poisoned. The
- Almanak en-Ashraf in _Dune_ makes it clear that it was generally known
- that Elrood "succumbed to chaumurky".
-
- - House Vernius of Ix is a major player in all the prequels. However,
- _Dune Messiah_ refers to the Ixian Confederacy, indicating no noble
- House ruled the planet.
-
- - According to _House Atreides_, cyborgs do not violate the tenents of
- the Butlerian Jihad. According to _Chapterhouse: Dune_, they do:
-
- "Cyborgs?" [...] Didn't Idaho know the residue of revulsion left
- by the Butlerian Jihad even among the Bene Gesserit?
-
- Cyborg was one of those potpourri words, too. Where did mechanical
- additions to human flesh become dominant? When was the Cyborg no
- longer human? [...] The Butlerian Jihad had left its indelible
- mark on humans. Fought and won . . . for then. And here was
- another battle in that long-ago conflict.
-
- - "Fixing" a crysknife is explained as "keyed to the body of the owner
- so it would dissolve upon his death". In <i>Dune</i> it's the other way
- around: "Fixed knives are treated for storage."
-
- - The Battle of Corrin is said to be the final battle of the Butlerian
- Jihad, fought by the "Bridge of Hrethgir". According to _Dune_ it was a
- space battle that took place twenty years after the Butlerian Jihad was
- over.
-
- - _House Atreides_ makes Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam out to be
- Jessica's mother. We know definitely that Frank Herbert did not intend
- this, as it was the only entry in _The Dune Encyclopedia_ he objected
- to. (Willis McNelly convinced him to let it be included as a joke.)
-
- - _House Atreides_: "He fired a near-invisible bolt of white-orange fire
- from the lasgun..."
- _Dune_: "Paul pointed to the violence above the distant cliff--the
- jetflares, the purple beams of lasguns lacing the desert."
- (The authors have corrected their error by _House Harkonnen_.)
-
- - Shaddam is crowned by a priest of Dur. However, Dur was a name given
- to Leto II in the Scattering, several thousand years later. A deity (?)
- Abu d' Dhur, "Father of the Indefinite Roads of Time", is mentioned in
- _Dune Messiah_.
-
- - One of the central plot points in _House Atreides_ is the death of
- Leto's father, Duke Paulus. This happens before Jessica is born.
- However, in _Dune_, Jessica displays what can only be first-hand
- experience of the Old Duke.
-
- - We are told in _House Atreides_ that the Baron Harkonnen is so fat
- because he was infected with a disease. The Chronicles pretty much state
- that it was due to a hereditary disposition and overeating:
-
- GEoD [of the Baron]: "He was a fat, monstrous..."
- "He was a seeker after sensations," Moneo said. "The fat was a
- side-effect, then perhaps something to experience for itself
- because it offended people and he enjoyed offending."
-
- _Dune_ [of Rabban]: "There was yet some rigidity in his fat, but
- it was obvious to the eye that he'd come one day to the portable
- suspensors for carrying his excess weight."
-
- _Dune_ [of Feyd]: "Here's one who won't let himself go to fat."
-
- Note also that when Alia is possessed by the Baron in _Children of
- Dune_, she starts to put on weight.
-
- - According to _God Emperor of Dune_, Duncan had a sister who was killed
- by Harkonnens. She is nowhere to be seen in _House Atreides_.
-
- - _God Emperor of Dune_ also states that the Atreides rescued Duncan
- from Harkonnen bondage. The events in the prequel don't seem to match
- this description very well.
-
- ---------------
- 4.3.2 _Dune: House Harkonnen_
-
- - Jessica is made Duke Leto's concubine and Dr. Yueh joins the Atreides
- before Paul's death. However, more than fifteen years later, in _Dune_,
- Jessica says that she has only known Yueh for six years.
-
- - Gurney and Liet-Kynes meet and become good friends in _House
- Harkonnen_. Yet when they meet again in _Dune_ they don't recognize each
- other at all.
-
- - Kynes tells a smuggler "I am Liet-Kynes, son of Pardot Kynes". The
- authors also claim that Liet was his sietch name. In that case it should
- be kept secret from outsiders.
-
- - In _Dune_, Gurney calls Duke Leto "the man who rescued me from a
- Harkonnen slave pit, gave me freedom, life, and honor". However, in
- _House Harkonnen_ he escapes the Harkonnens on his own.
-
- - In _House Harkonnen_, Dr. Yueh is described as a greedy man. Contrast
- this quote from _Dune_: "Does greed touch even you, Wellington?"
-
- - _House Harkonnen_ has Ginaz ruled by an academy of swordmasters.
- _Dune_ clearly refers to the House of Ginaz.
-
- - According to _House Harkonnen_, the first time Duncan kills someone is
- when he stabs Trin Kronos (a Moritani) in the back with his sword to
- save his friend Resser. This takes place on planet Ginaz.
-
- _Dune_ [Duncan]: "My sword was firs' blooded on Grumman! Killed a
- Harkon . . . Harkon . . . killed 'im f'r th' Duke."
-
- ---------------
- 4.3.3 _Dune: House Corrino_
-
- - In _House Corrino_, Paul is born on Kaitan. From the opening paragraph
- of _Dune_: "Do not be deceived by the fact that he was born on Caladan
- and lived his first fifteen years there."
-
- - (More to be added.)
-
- ---------------
- 4.3.4 _Dune_
-
- - The first chapter heading states that Paul was born in the 57th year
- of the Padishah Emperor, Shaddam IV. By the dates given in the Almanak
- en-Ashraf (Appendix IV), this works out to 10,191, the year the story
- starts with a fifteen year-old Paul. The problem can apparently be
- solved by subtracting fifteen years from the dates of birth of Shaddam
- IV and Count Hasimir Fenring, as done in _Dune: House Atreides_.
-
- - According to the first chapter heading in the section titled "The
- Prophet":
-
- "The measure of Count Fenring's friendship may be seen first in a
- positive thing: he allayed the Landsraad's suspicions after the
- Arrakis Affair. It cost more than a billion solaris in spice
- bribes, so my mother said..."
-
- This implies Irulan's mother Anirul was alive at the time of the Arrakis
- Affair (10,191) while Appendix IV gives her year of death as 10,176.
-
- ---------------
- 4.3.5 _Dune Messiah_
-
- - In _Dune Messiah_, Scytale meets with a former Fedaykin, Farok:
-
- Scytale returned his gaze to the old man, noted the empty sleeve
- dangling from the left shoulder [...]
-
- "Thrice blessed," Farok said, folding his hands into his lap in
- the ritual clasp. They were old, heavily veined hands. [...] Farok
- held up his hands, examined the palms.
-
- ---------------
- 4.3.6 _Children of Dune_
-
- - Alia appears to have only Other Memory in _Dune_ and _Dune Messiah_,
- then gains Ancestral Memory on the male side (!) in _Children of Dune_.
- (A possible explanation is that the massive spice overdose she subjected
- herself to in _Dune Messiah_ unlocked her Ancestral Memory, but no
- support for this view is ever given in the novels.)
-
- ---------------
- 4.3.7 _God Emperor of Dune_
-
- - Duncan's memories of Leto as an infant in _God Emperor of Dune_ are
- inconsistent with him being a ghola of either the original Duncan or the
- Hayt incarnation:
-
- "I died defending Paul and his mother in a cave-sietch beneath the
- sands of Dune."
-
- [Duncan to Leto]: "Is it true what your Fish Speakers say -- you
- have . . . memories of. . ."
-
- Idaho remembered the strange child-twins, really: Leto and
- Ghanima, Paul's children, the children of Chani, who had died
- delivering them.
-
- "What was he like in your day, the man Leto?"
- "Which one?"
- "Yes, I forget there were two -- the grandfather and our Leto. I
- mean our Leto, of course."
- "He was just a child, that's all I know."
-
- If he was a ghola of Hayt, he should be a mentat, since the Duncan in
- _Heretics of Dune_ becomes a mentat when his memories are awakened.
-
- ---------------
- 4.3.8 _Heretics of Dune_
-
- - From _Heretics of Dune_: "The cell studies said he was a mixture of
- many Idaho gholas -- some descendant of Siona." Obviously, no Duncan
- ghola could have been a descendant of Siona.
-
- - Frank Herbert seems unaware that the Kelvin scale does not have
- negative temperatures: "His dart throwers had been sealed and "washed"
- against snoopers, then maintained at minus 340[degrees] Kelvin in a
- radiation bath for five SY to make them proof against snoopers."
-
- - If not a direct discrepancy, Scytale's return as a Tleilaxu Master in
- _Heretics of Dune_ is seen as odd by many. How and why the Tleilaxu
- resurrected him, moreover changing him from a Face Dancer to a Master,
- remains unexplained. That it is the same person is apparently
- established by a comment that the latter incarnation had "met Muad'Dib".
- The hidden nature of Tleilaxu society is difficult to reconcile with
- Scytale's thoughts in _Dune Messiah_.
-
- ---------------
- 4.3.9 _Chapterhouse: Dune_
-
- - Rebecca's process of becoming a Reverend Mother in _Chapterhouse:
- Dune_ seems very peculiar, as her Ancestral Memory apparently hasn't
- been awakened by the Agony, but only in Sharing with Lucilla.
-
- - By the sequence of Sharing at the end of _Chapterhouse: Dune_
- (Sheeana-Odrade-Murbella), Murbella should have been aware of Sheeana's
- and Duncan's plan to escape in the no-ship. (This can possibly be
- explained by postulating that Murbella was in the process of absorbing
- and assimilating those memories.)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 4.4 What are the origins of House Atreides?
-
- (BEGIN _CHILDREN OF DUNE_ SPOILER) In _Children of Dune_, just before
- Alia becomes overwhelmed by the Baron, and the voices yell at her, one
- is described in particular: "I, Agamemnon, your ancestor, demand
- audience!" (END _CHILDREN OF DUNE_ SPOILER). This confirms the suspicion
- that the Atreides of Caladan are descendants of the Ancient Greek House
- Atreides of Mycenae. The founder of House Atreides is Atreus (Atreides
- in Greek means "son/descendant of Atreus") and his son, Agamemnon
- Atreides, led the Greeks in the Trojan War, whose tale is told in
- Homer's _Iliad_. The _Iliad_ is a great epic poem (modern printings take
- up large books), which was passed down through oral tradition. It was
- written about half a century after the Trojan war, and is more fantasy
- than history, but the archaeological excavations of Heinrich Schliemann
- both in the now-Turkish hill of Hisarlik and what he found to be Mycenae
- have proved that the Trojan War did take place, and that the fabled
- "Golden Mycenae" was indeed a historical city state, which was at that
- time the major superpower in Greece.
-
- Agamemnon is also a historical figure, and his tomb still exists in the
- archaeological site of Mycenae in Pelloponese in Greece. Mycenae, a
- complete ancient city-state excavated and revealed, is a popular tourist
- attraction and open to the public, as it was the center of Greece at its
- time (which was accordingly named the Mycenean Era). Dune fans visiting
- the area should take the time to pay tribute to the place where it all
- started, or at least pick up a book or tourist guide from the area. :)
-
- Answer courtesy of Stephanos Piperoglou.
- (Note: Some inaccuracies in the above account have been pointed out.
- Pre-historic Greece, the Trojan War and Homer are the subject of much
- archaeological research, and very little is known for certain. This is
- only intended to be a brief description as it relates to Dune.)
-
- It has been argued (with reference to _The Dune Encyclopedia_) that the
- Agamemnon appearing before Alia is not necessarily the original
- Agamemnon. However, in _God Emperor of Dune_, Leto II writes: "My
- paternal Grandfather was Leto Atreides, descendant of the House of
- Atreus and tracing his ancestry directly back to the Greek original."
-
- Reference courtesy of Jim Ware.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 4.5 Who are Marty and Daniel at the end of _Chapterhouse: Dune_?
-
- The explanations of who the mysterious Marty and Daniel (who appear
- irregularly in _Chapterhouse: Dune_) may be are as many as there are
- readers of the Chronicles. People seem to agree about some basic facts,
- though:
-
- - They were some kind of Face Dancers
- - Like "NFDs" (see Subject 2.4.1), they were able to absorb memories and
- personalities, not just appearances. However, they did not _become_
- these people, like NFDs did
- - In this manner, they had absorbed Reverend Mothers and
- possibly Tleilaxu Masters
- - For this or other reasons, they were now beyond Tleilaxu control
- - They had vastly superior powers (their means of spying on Duncan),
- either intrinsically or through technology
-
- There are hints that they are enemies of the Honoured Matres from the
- Scattering, part of the force that have driven them back to the Old
- Empire, and in that case identical with the "Enemies of Many Faces" the
- Honoured Matres fear. The technology they apparently transmit to Duncan
- seems to support this. However, others have objected that their ability
- to absorb memories indicates they are from the Old Empire, since that
- ability was developed there (but with help from Scattering Tleilaxu?).
- They also point out that "Enemies of Many Faces" could mean anything,
- and that we have no basis for supposing that Marty and Daniel are not
- unique.
-
- Another interpretation, compatible with any of the above theories, is
- that Marty and Daniel are Frank Herbert and his wife Beverly, saying
- goodbye to readers and setting the characters free in a universe of
- infinite possibilities. This idea was advanced in a French edition of
- Dune, and is supported by the fact that Beverly died shortly before and
- Frank shortly after _Chapterhouse: Dune_ was published, and of course
- the touching dedication and afterword. However, it is apparently
- disproved by the fact that FH planned and had begun working on another
- Dune novel before he died, and that he did not know of his terminal
- disease when he wrote what was to be the last volume in the Chronicles.
-
- Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson claim to possess Frank Herbert's
- outline of "Dune 7", and plan to write the novel sometime in the future,
- finally explaining the mystery.
-
- Further speculations on the nature of Marty and Daniel can be found at:
- <http://jkenny.home.mindspring.com/MartyandDaniel.htm>
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 4.6 Who is Scytale?
-
- Scytale is a Tleilaxu Face Dancer, the principal of the conspirators in
- _Dune Messiah_. At the end of that book, he is killed by a knife thrown
- by Paul Muad'Dib.
-
- Scytale is also a Tleilaxu Master appearing in _Heretics of Dune_ and
- _Chapterhouse: Dune_. That this Scytale is the same one (or, rather a
- ghola/clone of the one) from _Dune Messiah_ is indicated by Master
- Waff's musings that Scytale had once met Muad'Dib.
-
- The process that resurrected Scytale and turned him into a Master is
- never explained. Also, the differences between the Bene Tleilax society
- vaguely suggested in _Dune Messiah_ and the one seen in the last two
- books are problematic. While a development obviously took place (to
- incorporate the worship of Leto II, for instance), the Zensunni religion
- seems always to have been a part of the Tleilaxu as seen in _Heretics of
- Dune_ and _Chapterhouse: Dune_, yet is never hinted at in _Dune
- Messiah_.
-
- Many fancy theories have been devised to cover up this inconsistency,
- but in the final analysis it seems to be what it appears: Frank Herbert
- modifying a story point to fit his own purposes, creating a discrepancy.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 4.7 Why isn't Leto II called Leto III?
-
- Paul and Chani have a son named Leto, who is killed by Sardaukar near
- the end of _Dune_. In _Dune Messiah_, Chani gives birth to another boy
- who is also given the name Leto. This son later becomes the Emperor Leto
- II. Some people have wondered why he isn't called Leto III, since there
- had been two Letos before him: Paul's father the Duke, and Paul's first
- son.
-
- However, this would not be correct according to orthodox royal numbering
- scheme. This system was introduced to distinguish between rulers by the
- same name, not to identify normal family members. Therefore, only those
- who ascend the throne are assigned a number. For instance, the father of
- Richard III of England was Richard, Duke of York. Since he was never
- king, he is not given a number.
-
- The exception to this rule is Louis XVII of France. Because of the
- French Revolution and Napoleon's Empire, he was never crowned and died
- as a child. However, when his uncle Louis XVIII took the throne, Louis
- XVII was included in the count, as a gesture that the Bourbon kings
- didn't recognise the republican and imperial governments.
-
- Another important point is that each nation keeps their own count. King
- Henry IV of England is a quite different person from King Henry IV of
- France. James VI of Scotland became James I when he ascended the English
- throne. The numbers are not tied to the family: French Louises have come
- from all royal families.
-
- Normally, only sovereign rulers are numbered in this fashion. Nobles are
- traditionally designated roughly in this way: Leto Atreides, first Duke
- of Arrakis. However, the title is not necessarily tied to the land, so
- Leto could very well be Duke of something else entirely. However, it is
- not at all clear that Frank Herbert is following the traditional pattern
- here.
-
- We see that according to the accepted system, "Emperor Leto II" says
- nothing about the names of his ancestors, but indicates that there has
- been an Emperor Leto I. Such an Emperor is indeed mentioned in _The Dune
- Encyclopedia_. However, even if Herbert was applying only a
- pseudo-authentic scheme, where Duke Leto is supposed to be counted,
- there is no way Paul's first son could be included, since he never held
- a title of any kind.
-
- Finally, the following quote from _Heretics of Dune_ should be included
- for the sake of completeness:
-
- "She asks about God's family," Stiros said. "Why should she have to ask
- about -"
- "She tests us. Do we give them Their proper places? The Reverend Mother
- Jessica to her son, MuadÆDib, to his son, Leto II - The Holy Triumvirate
- of Heaven."
- "Leto III," Stiros muttered. "What of the other Leto who died at
- Sardaukar hands? What of him?"
- "Careful, Stiros," Tuek intoned. "You know my great-grandfather
- pronounced upon that question from this very bench. Our Divided God was
- reincarnated with part of Him remaining in heaven to mediate the
- Ascendancy. That part of Him became nameless then, as the True Essence
- of God should always be!"
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 4.8 What is House Ordos?
-
- Ordos is the name of an area in China, the origin of the Turks. It may
- be related to the word "horde."
-
- Answer courtesy of MtLoweMan
-
- House Ordos is the third side (House Atreides and House Harkonnen being
- the first two) you can play as in the Westwood computer games Dune II
- and Dune 2000. House Ordos does not appear anywhere in Frank Herbert's
- _Dune_ novels. The name of the House appears in a list of Great Houses
- under the entry "Great Houses" in _The Dune Encyclopedia_, an article
- written by Walter E. Meyers. In that article, they are listed as having
- 7 votes in the Landsraad (Atreides and Corrino having 10 each, Harkonnen
- having 5), and their coat of arms is given as "Or two bones white per
- saltire, in dexter chief entwined with ivy vert." This translates to
- "Two white bones crossed over a golden background, with the upper right
- part entwined with green ivy." Heraldic right is left to those looking
- at the shield. The Ordos coat of arms in the computer games, with a
- snake and a book, is the coat of arms of House Wallach. No further
- information about them is given anywhere. The details of their
- background were made up for the computer games.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 4.9 What is the Litany Against Fear?
-
- The Litany Against Fear exists in two versions; both recited by Paul at
- different occasions in _Dune_.
-
- ---------------
- 4.9.1 The Gom-Jabbar version
-
- I must not fear.
- Fear is the mind-killer.
- Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
- I will face my fear.
- I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
- And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
- Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
- Only I will remain.
-
- ---------------
- 4.9.2 The Sandstorm version
-
- Fear is the mind-killer.
- Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration.
- I will face my fear.
- I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
- And when it has gone past me I will turn to see fear's path.
- Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
- Only I will remain.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- 4.10 What is the Mentat Mantra?
-
- Mentat Piter de Vries (Brad Dourif) recites this litany in the movie
- version of Dune, and Mentat Hayt de Vries (Robert Carin) repeats it in
- Westwood's computer game Dune 2000. It does not appear anywhere in the
- books, but is a movie construct from the mind of David Lynch.
-
- It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
- It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed,
- the lips acquire stains.
- The stains become a warning.
- It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
-
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-
- The FAQ continues in Part 2
-
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- Gunnar Harboe
- dunefaq@email.com
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- because you want to believe you know."
- Frank Herbert
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